[00:00] <alabamahit> I asume not...
[00:00] <alabamahit> Or do i not need to mess with that.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> i wouldn't worry about it.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> menu.lst is just that grub menu, it doesn't not remove it from your system.
[00:00] <alabamahit> why would my system have 2 kernels?
[00:01] <alabamahit> is that normal?
[00:01] <coppro> yes
[00:01] <eddVRS_> yes
[00:01] <arrrghhh> alabamahit, happens when you get a kernel upgrade
[00:01] <coppro> after a kernel upgrade, your system keeps the old one around
[00:01] <arrrghhh> i've had 6 or 7.
[00:01] <coppro> in case the new one doesn't work
[00:01] <coppro> you can manually remove the packages
[00:01] <alabamahit> oh
[00:01] <alabamahit> so its a good thing to have more than one kernal
[00:02] <eddVRS_> it's not a bad thing
[00:02] <arrrghhh> it's kept just like coppro said, in case something doesn't work with the new one
[00:02] <arrrghhh> unless you're really hurtin for hdd space i wouldn't worry about it.
[00:02] <alabamahit> and the system auto goes into newest kernal
[00:02] <mkhlnsh> hi. i just had a problem with nvidia-settings when trying to save settings on the xorg.conf file. i think is kinda related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/194528 but is kinda different. i'm not sure if i should file another bug what should i do? i've done sudo nvidia-xconfig before trying again gksu nvidia-settings and it worked well after that. so it may be that when installing nvidia drivers nvidia-xconfig is
[00:02] <mkhlnsh> not run, but should i file a bug or just say the same things on this, already filed bug?
[00:02] <arrrghhh> Puppy, hardware raid?
[00:02] <Puppy> arrrghhh erm.. not wuite sure lol
[00:02] <alabamahit> arrrghhh: not worried about space, lol...close to terra on this box
[00:02] <Puppy> arrrghhh - it plugs intot he MB, not a pci slot
[00:02] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: I've just put OpenDNS in the router and setup resolv.conf to use it as the primary nameserver.  No joy.
[00:03] <alabamahit> Puppy: whasts wrong?
[00:03] <DarthFrog> Again, DNS is working everywhere else except in Firefox & Chatzilla.  I can ping.  I can ssh.  I can browse in Konq.
[00:03] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, try removing and reinstalling firefox?
[00:03] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: Yes.
[00:03] <Puppy> alabamahit arrrghhh - my installer is hanging detecting my sata drives and cant detect them for partitioning, getting gpartition now
[00:04] <arrrghhh> something's messed up with firefox obviously, but it's working fine for me.  do you delete everything related to FF after uninstalling?
[00:04] <Puppy> alabamahit arrrghhh - gparted sorry
[00:04] <alabamahit> Puppy: if its a SATA drive.....
[00:04] <alabamahit> ?
[00:04] <arrrghhh> Puppy, you still didn't answer my question
[00:04] <Puppy> alabamahit - yes sata
[00:04] <Puppy> arrrghhh erm.. not wuite sure lol
[00:04] <alabamahit> Puppy: if its a SATA drive that is pluged in Motherboard and not in your gParter..
[00:04] <Puppy> arrrghhh - it plugs intot he MB, not a pci slot
[00:04] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: I've disabled proxying in Firefox. I've disabled IPv6 DNS in firefox.  I've reinstalled firefox.
[00:04] <alabamahit> you dont have the Drivers.
[00:04] <bsnider> arrrghhh, what are you running here? is it separate screens or twinview?
[00:05] <Puppy> alabamahit - yeah i dont have them, and not sure how to find them
[00:05] <arrrghhh> bs66_66, separate screens i thought.
[00:05] <arrrghhh> bs66_66, sorry
[00:05] <Puppy> alabamahit - it asks me to selec them, or give it a floppy with them on
[00:05] <arrrghhh> bsnider, separate screens i thought.
[00:05] <Puppy> alabamahit - but i dont know where to find them
[00:05] <alabamahit> Puppy: I have the same problems....i got 5 onboard  SATA things...but cant use them...i have a PCI that i have my SATA drive plug in.
[00:05] <arrrghhh> Puppy, how did you setup the RAID array?
[00:05] <limecat> help :( i updated my computer this morning, rebooted, and now everything is screwed up--theme colors are off, volume control applet crashed, pulse is generating dmesg errors, the panels look goofy, pidgin wont launch, etc etc etc
[00:05] <limecat> and i have no idea where to begin troubleshooting
[00:06] <Puppy> arrrghhh - not really much to do.. set the raids to sata plug em in power em and off i went ( with windows )
[00:06] <alabamahit> arrrghhh: its a onboard he is pluged into...he need drivers i think.
[00:06] <limecat> a little googling suggests perhaps vaguely some policykit problem, but i have no idea how to fix that and no solutions were suggested
[00:06] <alabamahit> wait
[00:06] <Puppy> alabamahit - yeah thats you on hard raid, vs my soft raid ? correct ?
[00:06] <arrrghhh> Puppy, if you configured your RAID before booting any OS - like in your BIOS kinda - then it's hardware RAID.
[00:07] <alabamahit> Puppy: in your bois is SATA on?
[00:07] <mkhlnsh> anyone?
[00:07] <Puppy> arrrghhh - watch this - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCvYLOfoaE
[00:07] <alabamahit> maybe youahve drivers just not cut on.
[00:07] <bsnider> arrrghhh, well this thing is pretty much a mess, but try this one http://pastebin.com/m30a00e6b
[00:07] <Puppy> alabamahit - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCvYLOfoaE
[00:07] <Puppy> alabamahit arrrghhh - ive tryed all options
[00:07] <arrrghhh> bsnider, lol thanks.  nvidia-settings was run a couple of times.
[00:08] <alabamahit> bad view Puppy what did it do?
[00:08] <alabamahit> IDE?
[00:09] <arrrghhh> Puppy, so did you setup the RAID before booting ANY O/S?
[00:09] <Puppy> ive set it to native ide, legacy ide, sata imcp, does the same thing no matter what
[00:09] <alabamahit> Puppy: i would say this then...you dont have the dirvers for it.
[00:09] <Puppy> arrrghhh - ive been running on bative ide for xp
[00:09] <Puppy> alabamahit - any idea where i can get them ?
[00:09] <arrrghhh> Puppy, that doesn't make any sense to me....
[00:09] <Puppy> alabamahit - im hoping gparted will have them
[00:09] <alabamahit> Puppy: your computers manufature site.
[00:09] <Puppy> alabamahit - i built it myself
[00:10] <Puppy> alabamahit - im runnign on the HD's now on XP..
[00:10] <Puppy> alabamahit - and they work fine...
[00:10] <alabamahit> Puppy: XP is IDE not the SATA?
[00:10] <Puppy> alabamahit - i can set it to both
[00:10] <arrrghhh> gonna try this.  brb
[00:10] <Puppy> alabamahit and i have the raid controller drivers on the MB install disk, installed and runngin on XP
[00:11] <arrrghhh> Puppy, sounds like software RAID.  that sucks.  i don't know how that'll work for you.
[00:11] <alabamahit> you have 2 hard drvies?
[00:11] <Puppy> arrrghhh - i read this - http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-ubuntu8.04-with-software-raid1
[00:11] <alabamahit> brb smoke break.
[00:11] <Puppy> arrrghhh - but i dont get the options cos it cant see the HD's at all
[00:11] <arrrghhh> software RAID is dependent on the OS.  hardware RAID is not OS dependent.
[00:11] <arrrghhh> you're not listening.  i'll bbl
[00:12] <alabamahit> Puppy: if you cant see its im sure you missing driver i done the same......my onboard did not view in gParter...but i plugged into my PCI slot one and worked perfect....Im on it now, lol
[00:12] <alabamahit> but relly smoke break.
[00:12] <alabamahit> brb
[00:12] <Puppy> alabamahit - np ty
[00:16] <n0mer> hi folks
[00:17] <isilion> please read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955783
[00:17] <n0mer> does anyone know whether intrepid RC  images are already uploaded somewhere?
[00:17] <n0mer> 23th of October - time for rc :)
[00:18] <eddVRS_> exciting stuff
[00:19] <bsnider> n0mer, what country do you live in?
[00:20] <mkhlnsh> n0mer, i'm not sure, but if ya wanna try the lastest use: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081022/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20081022/
[00:21] <limecat> anyone running the beta have issues after updating today?
[00:21] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well it broke the first reboot.  now after the second i'm back to vesa.
[00:21] <limecat> everything broke :\
[00:21] <bsnider> limecat, apparently a lot of people had issues
[00:22] <arrrghhh> brb
[00:22] <isilion> limecat, what beta are you referring to?
[00:22] <WarriorSl> someone help me, i'm trying to use a program that uses oss with aoss to mix the sound with other sound in my pc, but the program don't outputs and inputs any sound
[00:22] <mkhlnsh> limecat, i have nothing broken...
[00:22] <limecat> is there a general idea of how to fix it, or am i better off A) reinstalling with RC, or B) reinstalling with final release
[00:22] <bsnider> arrrghhh, try dmesg, look for info about why the driver isn't loading
[00:22] <limecat> isilion: intrepid beta
[00:22] <limecat> technically the daily image froom 10/15
[00:23] <mkhlnsh> limecat, what broke?
[00:23] <n0mer> bsnider: Ukraine
[00:24] <limecat> well, rebooted, gnome loads, volume control crashed, the theme is straight blue (human theme doesnt load), pidgin wont load, pulseaudio is generating errors in dmesg about permissions denied (not sure if its related)
[00:24] <limecat> gnomepanels and nautilus are messed up too
[00:24] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule October 23rd Release candidate
[00:24] <limecat> and ive already tried creating a new user, it keeps the same issues
[00:25] <mkhlnsh> n0mer, thanks :)
[00:25] <limecat> oh and the power monitor applet doesnt load either
[00:25] <Puppy> Gpart picks up the drives fine, but ubuntu does not....
[00:26] <Puppy> arrrghhh - im sorry if you think im not listening, that is not the case
[00:26] <arrrghhh> bsnider, so... http://pastebin.com/d111810bd that looks a little slimmer than it should be.  this is what i get for xorg.conf when activating the nvidia driver & rebooting.
[00:26] <Puppy> arrrghhh - i know its soft raid, i said that a few times :S
[00:27] <arrrghhh> k you kept saying you weren't sure.  if it was hardware raid you wouldn't really have problems like this.
[00:27] <arrrghhh> you can break the raid and re-setup it with ubuntu, but then windows won't work.
[00:27] <limecat> looks like compiz segfaulted too :\
[00:27] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: maybe here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20081022.1/
[00:28] <eddVRS_> exit
[00:28] <eddVRS_> doh
[00:28] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: 22-Oct-2008 21:48
[00:28] <bsnider> arrrghhh, the module section isn't necessary. glx is automatically loaded
[00:28] <mkhlnsh> n0mer, ya didn't say if ya need server. i forgot about server :-"
[00:29] <arrrghhh> bsnider, keep in mind i didn't create that xorg.conf.  nvidia driver did.  what do i need to change to get my 2nd screen activated & my first screen to the correct resolution?  i know the exact resolutions both monitors can handle.
[00:29] <n0mer> yes, server for amd64
[00:29] <Puppy> arrrghhh - so there is no way for ubuntu to pick up the soft raid, even though gparted can ?
[00:29] <arrrghhh> Puppy, well i would assume the ubuntu installer uses gparted or some form of it.  i don't know, i've always stayed FAR from software raid.  just a bad idea.
[00:30] <arrrghhh> anything that makes hardware os dependent is a bad idea.  especially when it comes to hard drives lol.
[00:30] <Puppy> arrrghhh - i have another pc downstairs with softraid also, and that works fine with ubuntu, dofferent mobo, but soft raid also
[00:30] <arrrghhh> dunno.  i've never used software raid.
[00:31] <arrrghhh> Puppy, is that system using windows first as well?  cuz that seems to be the source of your problems.
[00:31] <bsnider> arrrghhh, i'm assuming you'd need 2 screen sections and 2 device sections
[00:31] <mkhlnsh> n0mer, i think ya should wait a litle 'till it says 23-Oct... here is 23-Oct but it's 2:30 am +03:00 GMT. still half an hour 'till "real" 23.
[00:31] <Puppy> arrrghhh - yes im using windows on the system now lol
[00:31] <Puppy> arrrghhh <- this is the same system runnign xp
[00:32] <Puppy> arrrghhh - i have another hd in just for ubuntu
[00:32] <arrrghhh> Puppy, i don't do software raid.  i've actually never setup ubuntu with any raid.
[00:32] <arrrghhh> so why are you using raid at all?  unplug all the hdds except the one you want to use for ubuntu.  problem solved lol.
[00:32] <Puppy> arrrghhh - well thanks a lot for trying to help, most appreciated, ill solve this eventually :D
[00:32] <Puppy> arrrghhh - ive tryed that, still dont pick it up
[00:33] <arrrghhh> yea it's that software raid.  i'd say you're gonna have to break it.
[00:33] <Puppy> arrrghhh - define break ?
[00:33] <arrrghhh> uh undo the software raid?  i would assume that would warrant a reformat... like i said, never used software raid.
[00:33] <Puppy> arrrghhh - reinstallign win is not a problem, if its gonna get both running
[00:34] <Puppy> but all the raid drivers are installe don XP, when i take the XP HD out, its not there any more ..
[00:34] <arrrghhh> Puppy, i don't know how software raid works.  there'a a ton of info on it i'm sure, i've just never cared to read any of it since software raid seems like a waste of time to me.
[00:35] <Puppy> arrrghhh - well ive read a few guides on " installing ubuntu with soft raid " but none of them describe the options i se on the installer
[00:36] <arrrghhh> Puppy, i think your software raid setup on winxp is screwing everything up.  wipe the hdds, break the software raid, then you can set it up in ubuntu.  now the software raid for ubuntu will probably not work for windows.  see why software raid sucks?
[00:37] <Puppy> arrrghhh - the software reaid is loaded with the OS, nothgin is written to the bois... i can take out the xp HS in 2 seconds, and just put a formatted drive in
[00:37] <arrrghhh> bsnider, any ideas on how to get my 2nd screen enabled?  and resolutions forced?  i don't mind putting them into xorg.conf so long as it works.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> Puppy, ok...  i don't know how software raid works.  i'm assuming it would change the mbr or something on the hdds themselves.
[00:38] <Puppy> yeah, but only to the XP drive
[00:38] <Puppy> when XP was installed the other drive didnt exisy
[00:38] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: this irc channels' local time is "kubrick.freenode.net Wednesday October 22 2008 -- 16:37:43 -07:00"
[00:38] <Puppy> humm, ive had an idea
[00:38] <arrrghhh> yes but when you installed software raid, it changed the mbr or the mft something on the hdd.
[00:38] <Puppy> thanks for the help
[00:38] <Puppy> back in a bit
[00:38] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: you mean i should wait till 00:01 GMT/UTC? :)
[00:39] <mkhlnsh> n0mer, i think so. :)
[00:42] <bsnider> arrrghhh, let me try a more minimalist xorg.conf
[00:43] <arrrghhh> i'm working on one myself...
[00:43] <arrrghhh> i'd love to see what you come up with cuz i suck and getting xorg.conf files to work.  that's why i always used nvidia-settings.
[00:45] <limecat> if i wanted to reinstall gnome/nautilus/etc, ubuntu-desktop covers all that right?
[00:46] <histo> Anyone having problems with the screensaver not getting initiated in gnome?
[00:46] <arrrghhh> limecat, at that point you might as well just reinstall ubuntu.
[00:47] <limecat> :( i think ubuntu hates me, no matter how much love i show it
[00:47] <limecat> the RC images are coming out in like 30 minutes you said?
[00:48] <arrrghhh> limecat, linux can be trying at times.  simple configuration problems or permissions screw a lot of things up.
[00:48] <arrrghhh> limecat, in the topic you can already get 'em i htink.
[00:48] <arrrghhh> think
[00:48] <limecat> ill try that
[00:48] <bsnider> arrrghhh, try that one http://pastebin.com/m147de500
[00:50] <arrrghhh> bsnider, k thanks.  gonna try urs then mine.  brb
[00:53] <limecat> the announcements a lie :(  linked page has only old beta isos from the 2nd
[00:54] <swuboo> Is anyone else having new problems with Flash in Intrepid 64?
[00:54] <crimsun> swuboo: a bit more precisely, please?
[00:54] <swuboo> Even youtube videos are deeply choppy and use up an entire processor core.
[00:55] <crimsun> swuboo: arch? GNOME/KDE/Xfce?
[00:55] <swuboo> Sounds cuts in and out, framerate is, I'd estimate around 5.  Gnome.
[00:56] <bsnider> flash works great here on the same platform. i was just watching bill shatner complain about sulu earlier today.
[00:56] <limecat> just curious, because google left me with heavily mixed messages--is it a "bad" idea to have /boot as ext3, and / as xfs?
[00:57] <swuboo> I had stability issues with Flash in the previous iteration of Ubuntu, and it got choppy if I fullscreened, but now I can't even watch How Is Babby Formed.
[00:57] <swuboo> At all.
[00:58] <swuboo> Even a thirty second animated flash file is choppier than the North Atlantic and the sound cuts out.
[00:58] <crimsun> limecat: not at all.
[00:58] <pwnguin> ive never had good flash video playback
[00:58] <pwnguin> runs like butt fullscreen
[00:58] <swuboo> pwnguin: Neither have I, but it's gone from bad to crippled.
[00:59] <crimsun> swuboo: I'm still awaiting an answer to my first question.
[00:59] <swuboo> crimsun:  I did answer your first question.  Gnome, AMD64.
[00:59] <mroc> hi.  i have a strange issue with compiz when i resume a session.  i'm not sure how to best describe it...it's like i have a rainbow of color stripes surrounding every window.  i have a screenshot i could upload.  if i reload compiz (via fusion-icon's reload window manager), it completely corrects itself.  should i file this as a bug?
[00:59] <bsnider> he answered gnome
[00:59] <crimsun> swuboo: you did?  I don't see any of ia32/i386, amd64/x86_64, ppc, hppa, lpia, ...
[00:59] <bsnider> he said 64
[00:59] <pwnguin> crimsun: is there another 64bit?
[01:00] <swuboo> crimsun:  You didn't ask that, you just asked GNOME/KDE/xfe.
[01:00] <crimsun> pwnguin: there are lots of 64 bits
[01:00] <swuboo> But it's AMD X2 64.
[01:00] <crimsun> swuboo: actually, I did ask, but I see you answered even prior to that.
[01:00] <swuboo> Ah, well.  There we are then.
[01:00] <crimsun> swuboo: [19:55]       crimsun | swuboo: arch? GNOME/KDE/Xfce?
[01:00] <pwnguin> crimsun: yes. im sure he's gone and rebuilt ubuntu for ppc 64bit :P
[01:01] <crimsun> pwnguin: some people do.  *shrug*
[01:01] <swuboo> I interpreted arch as part of the following phrase, rather than an independent question, although I recognize that that was silly of me.
[01:01] <crimsun> swuboo: anyhow, can you pass me a use case?
[01:01] <crimsun> another one, sorry.  I can't get to that site, apparently.
[01:01] <thewalrus> hi
[01:01] <swuboo> You mean an example of a flash animation that buggers it?
[01:01] <crimsun> swuboo: yes
[01:01] <thewalrus> anyone could help me to install enlightenment 17 on intrepid?
[01:01] <swuboo> http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
[01:02] <swuboo> It uses up so many CPU cycles I can't even use Pidgin while the site is open.
[01:02] <swuboo> I had to kill it just to copy and paste the URL.
[01:03] <bsnider> swuboo, which graphics driver?
[01:03] <swuboo> nvidia.
[01:03] <pwnguin> the fun thing about flash is that it's turing complete. is Flash killing playback, or is the swf itself just dumb?
[01:03] <swuboo> bsnider:  More complete answer: nvidia restricted version 177.
[01:03] <crimsun> swuboo: seems quite smooth here
[01:03] <crimsun> swuboo: (same driver version in use locally)
[01:04] <bsnider> swuboo, other than the fact that i'm using an intel cpu, we've got the same stuff in play here, and yet mine is perfect
[01:04] <thewalrus> anyone could help me to install enlightenment 17 on intrepid?
[01:04] <swuboo> Huh.  I'm not sure how to interpret this.
[01:05] <crimsun> swuboo: sanity check: how did you install Flash?
[01:05] <bsnider> i'm also using pulse 9.13 instead of 9.10 too
[01:05] <swuboo> Crimsun: Synaptic.
[01:05] <crimsun> I'm using 8.10's pulseaudio (0.9.10), so pulseaudio's probably not the culprit.
[01:05] <swuboo> Could it be an old config file issue?
[01:05] <swuboo> I haven't reinstalled the base system since, um, Warty.
[01:05] <swuboo> Or possibly Hoary.
[01:05] <bsnider> possibly
[01:06] <pwnguin> swuboo: you could make a new user and see if that helps any
[01:06] <crimsun> swuboo: ok, so flashplugin-nonfree [and not adobe-flashplugin from partner + getlibs]?
[01:06] <swuboo> crimsun:  Correct, flashplugin-nonfree.
[01:06] <crimsun> swuboo: can you purge both nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstall flashplugin-nonfree?
[01:07] <swuboo> crimsun:  Can and will.  A moment.
[01:07] <bsnider> swuboo, which browsers are you trying this in?
[01:07] <swuboo> bsnider:  Firefox 3.
[01:09] <DanaG> What's with the auto-exit in PA 0.9.12 and 0.9.13?  Is there any valid reason to make the daemon automatically exit when idle?
[01:10] <DanaG> And I mean exit, not just let go of devices.
[01:10] <DanaG> You'll pause a gstreamer app.... and then when you go to unpause it... the server is MIA.
[01:10] <bsnider> not here
[01:11] <crimsun> doesn't autoexit for me, either
[01:11] <swuboo> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree and the same command for nspluginwrapper, followed by reinstallation do nothing.
[01:12] <swuboo> Or rather, I've reinstalled flash, but I have the same issue.
[01:12] <bsnider> DanaG, did you file a bug about that stuff you were talking about last night?
[01:12] <DanaG> Well, it's after like 20 seconds idle.
[01:12] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/352
[01:12] <DanaG> What stuff was I talking about last night?  I frankly don't remember.
[01:12] <DanaG> That ticket there is the "aborts on zeroconf connection" -- a different issue.
[01:13] <bsnider> you wanted to rebuild pulse on your own system and couldn't because of automake and hten there was th pulse bug that was fixed in git etc.
[01:13] <crimsun> swuboo: ok, good, and you have 10.0.12.36ubuntu1 of flashplugin-nonfree installed, correct?
[01:13] <louise> uh, my system is trapped in a loop at the gdm login screen
[01:13] <bsnider> no one on earth or in heaven's had more audio problems than you
[01:13] <DanaG> =þ
[01:13] <swuboo> crimsun; Installed it off synaptic less than two minutes ago.
[01:13] <crimsun> I beg to differ
[01:13] <crimsun> DanaG simply has experienced a different magnitude of audio problems
[01:14] <DanaG> Perhaps I'm just more vocal about it, too. =þ
[01:14] <louise> after the latest updated
[01:14] <swuboo> crimsun: 10.0.12.36ubuntu
[01:14] <louise> help me debug please
[01:14] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well this is proving frustrating.  it always breaks unless the nvidia driver configures xorg.conf
[01:14] <DanaG> I'm glad Flash 10 has been released, at least -- it'll finally force sites to fix their detection of 10 as 0.0.
[01:14] <crimsun> swuboo: err, there's a trailing '1' there, correct?
[01:15] <swuboo> No, there is not.
[01:15] <bsnider> arrrghhh, look, i turn on my tv output when i need it. i don't have it on all the time and certainly not on a separate x screen, so i'm not the one to discuss it with. try talking to nvidia about it. they have a linux forum and you'll get a response from aaron plattner or someone
[01:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I did finally figure out how to pass options to xorg drivers, no matter what driver is used.
[01:17] <arrrghhh> bsnider, ok thanks.  i really do appreciate you tryin.  i'm just frustrated because i've done this before and this was the part i was dreading of the upgrade... i was hoping they "fixed" it - but nvidia hasn't, and ubuntu can't do a whole lot to fix the issue.  they've made it as painless as possible (as far as i can tell)
[01:17] <DanaG> Now my xorg.conf has some nvidia options and some nv options, but since I now don't specify driver 'nv' -- it'll also work booted on a Savage, and just ignores the irrelevant options.
[01:17] <tjansson> I installed Intrepid a while back but somehow the fast-user-switch-applet isn't available in my panels. How do I enable them?
[01:17] <arrrghhh> it really does disturb me that system settings won't run tho...
[01:18] <swuboo> Nope, definitely no trailing 1.
[01:18] <bsnider> arrrghhh, on the mandriva box i have downstairs, systemsettings runs with the nvidia driver
[01:18] <n0mer> mkhlnsh: is there any way to obtain ISO-files listed @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20081022.1/ via BitTorrent?
[01:18] <crimsun> swuboo: huh.  What's the output from `apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree'?
[01:18]  * DanaG wonders which is a wittier hostname: to5h1ba, or toshOLDba?
[01:19] <swuboo> crimsun:  The same... but with a trailing 1.  I guess Synaptic was just lying.
[01:19] <isilion> please read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955783
[01:19] <crimsun> swuboo: (you may have to adjust the column width)
[01:19] <arrrghhh> bsnider, i guess i should try mandriva... i just got very used to how ubuntu does things.
[01:19] <swuboo> crimsun:  Possibly, but not my most immediate concern.
[01:20] <crimsun> swuboo: can you sanity-check that pulseaudio isn't the culprit, either?  You'll need to issue `pulseaudio -k' /after/ closing all audio & video apps
[01:20] <crimsun> swuboo: then restart your web browser, and navigate to that web site
[01:20] <bsnider> arrrghhh, i was very impressed by mandriva, except for their crappy package management system
[01:20] <arrrghhh> bsnider, which is what i have really grown to LOVE with debian-based systems.
[01:20] <swuboo> pulseaudio -k returns "W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader."
[01:21] <crimsun> swuboo: known, not a problem
[01:21] <bsnider> arrrghhh, texstar modified apt to manage rpms on his pclinuxos. why can't red hat and the rest of them do that? are they too stupid?
[01:21] <swuboo> crimsun:  Okay.  Reopening Firefox, then.
[01:22] <swuboo> crimsun:  Pegging CPU to the max, choppy as Hell, and for obvious reasons, also silent.
[01:22] <arrrghhh> bsnider, i don't know... i guess they feel the way _they_ do things work and why change it?  i love apt.  couldn't leave it.
[01:22] <swuboo> crimsun:  Pulseaudio is not the culprit.
[01:22] <chuxxsss> hi all what does fence tool do
[01:22] <bsnider> swuboo, you're convinced of that, are you?
[01:23] <swuboo> bsnider:  Killing Pulseaudio doesn't help.
[01:23] <louise> can someone help me out on this one? since the latest update I got locked in an endless loop at the gnome login window. /var/log/Xorg.0.log reveals an error : (ww) NV (0):  Unknown vendor specific block f
[01:23] <isilion> please read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955783
[01:23] <bsnider> no
[01:24] <mxiia> I can't mount my flashdrive, "mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /)" It's mountpoint is /media/MXIIAPortable it was /media/MXIIA's FDrive
[01:24] <crimsun> swuboo: the silent portion can be tested/worked around/fixed by removing libasound2-plugins
[01:24] <bsnider> louise, and which graphics driver is this now?
[01:24] <swuboo> crimsun:  I'm fairly sure it's silent at the moment because you had me kill pulseaudio.
[01:25] <louise> bsnider nvidia m8700
[01:25] <louise> bsnider do you think the video driver is the culprit?
[01:25] <crimsun> swuboo: well, that's partially to blame.  The real issue is that the conf for rerouting alsa-lib is still active.  See above statement regarding removing libasound2-plugins
[01:25] <swuboo> crimsun:  Under the circumstances, I don't interpret silence as a problem, just as conformation that pulseaudio is not involved anymore.
[01:26] <crimsun> swuboo: yes, in any case, tangential.
[01:26] <bsnider> louise, i asked which graphics driver, not which graphics hardware
[01:26] <crimsun> swuboo: are your Nvidia drivers functioning correctly?  I.e., does `glxinfo' give expected results?
[01:26] <louise> bsnider, its the latest driver, 177.80 I guess
[01:26] <swuboo> crimsun:  Attempting to remove that package requires me to remove pulseaudio and ubuntu-desktop.
[01:26] <bsnider> and xvinfo
[01:26] <crimsun> swuboo: dpkg -P --force-depends libasound2-plugins
[01:26] <chuxxsss> the 177.80 work well for me
[01:27] <swuboo> crimsun: glxinfo returns a great deal of hex I can't interpret.
[01:27] <bsnider> what about xvinfo?
[01:27] <crimsun> swuboo: ok, we'll start with `glxinfo|grep direct'
[01:28] <louise> bsnider, xvinfo outputs "unable to open display"
[01:28] <swuboo> Crimsun:  direct rendering: Yes.
[01:28] <bsnider> louise, i was talking about the other guy
[01:28] <swuboo> bsnider:  That returns a good deal too, but it's all Greek to me as well.
[01:28] <bsnider> it's all rock n' roll to you?
[01:29] <swuboo> bsnider:  A metaphor I'll accept, yes.
[01:30] <swuboo> crimsun:  So you want me to 86 libasound2-plugins?
[01:30] <bsnider> louise, obviously you've got a graphics driver issue
[01:31] <bsnider> do you know which driver you're trying to load?
[01:31] <crimsun> swuboo: it seems pretty tangential, but you can forcibly remove it if you wish to pursue that line of debugging
[01:31] <louise> bsnider, I think its 177.80
[01:31] <swuboo> crimsun:  I have now done so.
[01:32] <bsnider> louise, what exactly are you looking at right now? is it a console?
[01:32] <mxiia> I can't mount my flashdrive, "mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /)" It's mountpoint is /media/MXIIAPortable it was /media/MXIIA's FDrive
[01:33] <swuboo> crimsun: Restarting Pulseaudio seems to have had no effect.  I'm going to restart X.  Be back shortly.
[01:33] <louise> bsnider, I am at another pc. The affected machine is laying at a recovery terminal shell
[01:34] <chuxxsss> Can I ask a question about why some 3d games reduce there window in both 8.04 and 8.10?
[01:34] <bsnider> run the comand: dkms status
[01:34] <freeksh0w86> Lua highlighting appears to be disabled in Kate (Kubuntu 8.10 beta) because Kate gives an error message about parsing the highlight description. Is that classified as a bug?
[01:34] <swuboo> crimsun:  Alright, removing that package has had the effect of killing all sound on my system whatsoever.
[01:35] <crimsun> swuboo: it's not that big a deal; just issue `apt-get -f install'
[01:35] <louise> bsnider, it says installed for three kernel instances]
[01:35] <swuboo> crimsun:  I'm fixing it now, no worries.
[01:36] <louise> x
[01:36] <bsnider> louise, alright try the command startx
[01:36] <swuboo> All better.  On the sound front, anyway.  Flash is still buggered.
[01:36] <freeksh0w86> Regardless, where does Kate keep its syntax xml files anyway?
[01:37] <freeksh0w86> The supposed bug-fix for Kate's Lua syntax is in this post: http://www.kde-files.org/content/show.php/Lua+-+Syntax+Highlighting?content=51091
[01:37] <crimsun> swuboo: right, just going to have to chalk it up to a regression, then.
[01:37] <freeksh0w86> I hope that fix is included in final Kubuntu
[01:37] <Omar87> The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[01:37] <Omar87> Any help please?
[01:37] <louise> bsnider, I am inside a graphical ubuntu screen with a flickering message being displayed: use switcher closed unexpectedly
[01:37] <swuboo> crimsun:  I suppose so.  It's highly annoying, considering I watch all of my television on Hulu.
[01:38] <louise> bsnider,  I have no control over mouse and keyboard
[01:38] <crimsun> swuboo: I understand.  However, unless you can replicate your precise configuration locally for me, I won't be able to do any real troubleshooting.  Sorry.
[01:38] <swuboo> crimsun:  I understand, and appreciate your trying.
[01:39] <crimsun> swuboo: another angle for troubleshooting would be to attempt to reproduce this symptom using tomorrow's daily-live image.  You'll need to go through the process of enabling the Nvidia driver and installing flashplugin-nonfree, of course, but that will at least help narrow whether it's a configuration-cruft issue.
[01:40] <swuboo> crimsun:  I'm not sure I follow what you mean by using tomorrow's daily-live image.
[01:40] <louise> bsnider, I did ctrl + alt + f1 and see a message "failed to initialize GLX extension (compatible NVIDIA driver not found)  --- I guess I have to reinstall it
[01:40] <crimsun> swuboo: choose an appropriate image from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:40] <swuboo> crimsun:  Ah, not an option.  Burner blew its motor, so I can't burn anything.
[01:41] <crimsun> Omar87: can you make your problem description more precise, please?
[01:41] <mroc> hi.  i have a strange issue with compiz when i resume a session.  i'm not sure how to best describe it...it's like i have a rainbow of color stripes surrounding every window.  i have a screenshot i could upload.  if i reload compiz (via fusion-icon's reload window manager), it completely corrects itself.  should i file this as a bug against compiz?  anyone else seen this?
[01:41] <swuboo> Hmm.  I haven't tried killing compiz.
[01:42] <Puppy> arr$50 to get ubuntu installed on this pc ?
[01:42] <Omar87> crimsun: I'm not sure. The sound just stopped coming out, any sound at all, system sounds, music.. etc.
[01:42] <crimsun> oh, right.  I don't use compiz, so I don't know.  Worth a try, at least.
[01:42] <bsnider> louise, wrong. it is installed. dkms doesn't lie
[01:43] <crimsun> Omar87: default intrepid install?
[01:43] <Omar87> crimsun: what do you mean by "default"?
[01:43] <crimsun> Omar87: meaning, "not a distribution upgrade".
[01:43] <louise> bsnider, is there anything i can do?
[01:43] <bsnider> louise, you may have a bad xorg.conf file
[01:43] <Omar87> crimsun: no, not dist. upgrade.
[01:43] <mxiia> I can't mount my flashdrive, "mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /)" It's mountpoint is /media/MXIIAPortable it was /media/MXIIA's FDrive
[01:43] <crdlb> mroc: you mean when resuming from suspend?
[01:44] <mroc> crdlb: yes.
[01:44] <Omar87> crimsun: is was working perfectly just a couple of hours ago.
[01:44] <crimsun> Omar87: ok, sanity check, then.  what's the output from `pgrep -c -x pulseaudio'?
[01:44] <crdlb> mroc: then it's undoubtedly a video driver bug
[01:44] <mroc> crdlb: and "hibernate"
[01:44] <Omar87> crimsun: it's " 1 "
[01:45] <bsnider> louise, what you should do is remove the one that's tehre now and reboot. the nv driver will give you a gui and then you can copy-paste mine
[01:45] <crimsun> Omar87: ok, good.  Now, can you issue:  `pulseaudio -k ; esd &'
[01:45] <mroc> crdlb: running fglrx, 2.1.8087 release.  has anyone else mentioned it?
[01:45] <swuboo> Alright, pausing the compiz.real process locked the computer up so hard that even the SysRq key couldn't help.
[01:45] <louise> bsnider, yep. I think that is the case. Remember last night we edited it to put SLI. I was logged in as mercutio22
[01:45] <swuboo> I imagine I went about that in a painfully stupid manner.
[01:46] <louise> bsnider, now the latest update probably blew it
[01:46] <crdlb> mroc: broken suspend with fglrx is probably more common than working suspend
[01:46] <coppro> suspend works here!
[01:47] <coppro> so does hibernate, but only if I manually run hibernate myself
[01:47] <bsnider> louise, that doesn't seem likely
[01:47] <coppro> the hibernate key and the power manager can't do it
[01:47] <mroc> crdlb: haha point taken.  so should i file a bug against fglrx?
[01:47] <Puppy> no on e?
[01:47] <swuboo> Can anyone give me a quick command for disabling compiz, so that I can check whether it's responsible for my flash woes?
[01:47] <Puppy> $50 to get ubuntu installed on this pc ?
[01:48] <louise> bsnider, ok. lets do that
[01:48] <crdlb> swuboo: 'metacity --replace' ?
[01:48] <chuxxsss> having problem seeing print using samba? any help would be need
[01:48] <chuxxsss> and nice
[01:48] <swuboo> crdlib: Perfect.  Much obliged.
[01:48] <Omar87> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61291/
[01:49] <swuboo> Compiz, then, is not the culprit.
[01:50] <swuboo> I have therefore ruled out both Pulseaudio and Compiz, and am left with nothing but a regression in the new version of flash.
[01:51] <crimsun> swuboo: ok
[01:51] <crimsun> Omar87: is `speaker-test -c2' now audible?
[01:52] <louise> bsnider, ok, can you pastebin your working xorg.conf please?
[01:52] <Omar87> crimsun: no, the problem is still as it is.
[01:52] <bsnider> louise, it doesn't contain any sli
[01:52] <louise> bsnider, its fine
[01:52] <bsnider> louise, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[01:52] <crimsun> Omar87: all right, please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[01:52] <Omar87> crimsun: all I can is tap-tap-taping instead of a tone,
[01:53] <crimsun> Omar87: it's a bash script; you'll need to invoke it from an x-terminal-emulator
[01:53] <louise> bsnider, thanks
[01:54] <swuboo> crimsun:  I know speaker-test -c2 wasn't direct at me, but might I ask the expected output?
[01:54] <crimsun> swuboo: front left, front right repeated vocally in the respective (and expected) channels
[01:54] <adelie42> I noticed there is full support for the Wacom Bamboo Tablets with 8.10. Is there a guide? it does not just work when plugged in, though I expected that
[01:55] <sleepybodo> hey, im a newbie...  i love ubuntu, but I'm having a problem returning from suspend.  I can put my laptop into suspend fine, but when it returns, powertop shows a HUGE increase in the number of wakeups (over 1,000) and apci? is causing them.   I thought I'd fixed this after installing envy, as it seemed to improve yesterday, but after suspending overnight, half the battery was drained and the laptop was running hot again. 
[01:55] <swuboo> crimsun:  I ask, because although my sound works perfectly, that command simply gives me static from the left speaker.
[01:55] <Omar87> crimsun: how do I do that?
[01:56] <crimsun> swuboo: hmm!  does it work, then, if you use:  pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2
[01:56] <crimsun> Omar87: navigate to that URL, save the file, and execute it.
[01:56] <mroc> crdlb: not sure if you caught my response - what package should i file a bug against?
[01:56] <crimsun> Omar87: then tell us the URL that it generates
[01:56] <swuboo> crimsun:  No, that also returns static.
[01:56] <swuboo> crimsun:  Although, note, it successfully manages to shift the static between the speakers.
[01:56] <crdlb> mroc: uh, fglrx I guess, but it's a binary blob so there's not much point in it
[01:57] <crimsun> swuboo: ok, so at least it's not as bad as I had feared
[01:58] <mroc> crdlb: ok.  thanks for the info.  i'll just wait for the ati gods to decide to release the next version and hope for a fix.
[01:58] <swuboo> crimsun:  I'll retry the original command, since I'm not sure I let it run long enough to switch back and forth.
[01:58] <crdlb> mroc: if you have a R500 or lower, the open source driver may work reasonably well
[01:59] <mroc> crdlb: radeon x1270 .... so i don't think that's lower?
[01:59] <swuboo> crimsun:  Same behavior.  Static that switches successfully between speakers.
[02:00] <Omar87> crimsun: I tried to wget it, will that work?
[02:00] <crimsun> Omar87: sure.
[02:01] <crimsun> (I'm away for 10-20 mins.)
[02:01] <crdlb> mroc: the Xpress chips should now be supported
[02:01] <crdlb> it's worth a try at least
[02:01] <Omar87> crimsun: it generated this URL: "file:///home/omar/Desktop/index.html%3Fp=alsa-driver.git"
[02:02] <sleepybodo> does anyone think they can help me with my suspend issues?
[02:02] <mroc> crdlb: oh, okay.  cool.  i might check it out then.  this bug is more of a small annoyance than a problem, so we'll see how motivated and interested.
[02:04] <alteregoa> !moo
[02:04] <louise> bsnider, that didn't do it... ithink it might have to do with that user switcher applicaion error then
[02:06] <Omar87> The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:06] <louise> is there another log besides Xorg.0.log that might give a clue why the login screen is caught in a loop??
[02:06] <Omar87> Any help please?
[02:06] <arrrghhh> bsnider, i'm curious, how do you turn your tv-out on and off at will w/o restarting X?
[02:08] <jerry_> will there be a new theme for 81.0?
[02:08] <angusthefuzz> arrrghhh: xrandr allows me to turn the tv-out on and off
[02:09] <angusthefuzz> arrrghhh: xrandr --output tvout --off
[02:10] <arrrghhh> hrm
[02:10] <jerry_> any new themes for ubuntu 8.10?
[02:13] <louise>  I got an weird error message on the Xorg.0.log file now
[02:13] <louise> it says " client 4 rejected from localhost "
[02:13] <louise> anyone, has a clue?
[02:13] <louise> i can't login to gnome
[02:14] <scientus__> why am i unable to specify my own private key as being able to log into my account?
[02:15] <louise> =[
[02:16] <scientus__> sseems to be reasonable
[02:16] <scientus__> the private key is encrypted
[02:17] <scientus__> so not a security risk
[02:17] <Omar87> The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:18] <Omar87> Any help please?
[02:18] <histo> Wondering if I should file a bug that some of the default Radio streams in Rhythbox no longer work Bad URLs.
[02:20] <bsnider> arrrghhh, using nvidia-settings
[02:20] <arrrghhh> bsnider, i guess if you set it up as twinview you don't have to reboot huh.  or restart X.
[02:21] <bsnider> that's right
[02:21] <scientus> wtf, i can ssh-copy-id to another host but i did it to myself and it didnt work!!!
[02:21] <scientus> to 127.0.0.1
[02:23] <mxiia> I can't mount my flashdrive, "mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /)" It's mountpoint is /media/MXIIAPortable it was /media/MXIIA's FDrive
[02:23] <jrib> mxiia: change the label to something with just letters and see if it helps?
[02:23] <Omar87> The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:23] <Omar87> Any help please?
[02:24] <arrrghhh> bsnider, interesting.  so now i have a working xorg.conf.... but it's setup as twinview.
[02:24] <mxiia> jrib, how, if I can;t mount it
[02:24] <bsnider> yeah
[02:24] <louise> doesn 't "client regected from localhost sound like a network issue?
[02:24] <jrib> !label | mxiia
[02:25] <_mary_kate_> after upgrading from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 beta using adept, after reboot, initramfs can't mount my md/lvm raid5 root.  it seems like the kernel doesn't see the array.  is this a known issue?
[02:26] <arrrghhh> wouldn't it be fairly trivial to switch the current xorg.conf over to separate screens?
[02:26] <bsnider> no
[02:27] <isilion> please read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955783
[02:27] <Omar87> When saved the url "http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh" it generated the following URL "file:///home/omar/Desktop/index.html%3Fp=alsa-driver.git".
[02:29] <arrrghhh> bsnider, no?  blargh.  well i posted on the nvforums.
[02:29] <Omar87> crimsun: are u back yet?
[02:30] <Omar87> The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:30] <Omar87> Any help please?
[02:32] <arrrghhh> well i have both screens enabled now.  i'd just much prefer separate X screens as opposed to twinview.  is there any way to get what nvidia-settings is pumping out as far as xorg.conf?
[02:38] <Omar87>  The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:38] <Omar87>  Any help please?
[02:38] <anubis> I'd just reinstall
[02:38] <anubis> I had to because my pulseaudio was totally fubar
[02:39] <anubis> even though I followed the perfect pulseaudio setup
[02:39] <anubis> But it does not seem that is how intrepid is set up
[02:47] <Omar87>  The sound eventually stopped working with me. Instead, all I can hear is tap-tap-taping instead of sounds or music.
[02:47] <Omar87>  Any help please?
[02:51] <arrrghhh> well now this in interesting.  or something.  twinview works, but separate X screens doesn't.  what's interesting is the nvidia-settings applet is actually saving to xorg.conf, it's not segfaulting anymore.
[02:52] <_mary_kate_> okay, so it seems my boot problem was caused by /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf not being properly updated
[02:55] <orbish> hello everyone! i'm looking for a way to view power settings, detailed information! nothing gui! for instance, the equivalent to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:57] <mayday_jay> orbish - apt-cache search powertop
[03:04] <gaelfx> I can't open Hardware Drivers App or Update-Manager App, where should I look to diagnose the problem?
[03:05] <arrrghhh> gaelfx, can you run update-manager from the terminal?
[03:07] <gaelfx> arrrghhh: nope, the last call it executes is to urllib2.py, gives a 'bad marshal data' error
[03:09] <gaelfx> arrrghhh: ah, I just reinstalled the python 2.5 package via Synaptic, it seems to be ok now
[03:10] <gaelfx> haha, I can't believe I forgot to try it in terminal, I must be going senile!
[03:10] <arrrghhh> np.  glad you figured it out.
[03:11] <gaelfx> thanks man, I guess everyone needs a little perspective now and then
[03:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[03:11] <DanaG> argh -- such little attention to such a big bug.
[03:11] <DanaG> And ubottu shouldn't be reading the "invalid" status for the Xorg task... for the "Linux" task link I pasted.
[03:12] <arrrghhh> DanaG, you think hotkeys are a 'big big'?
[03:12] <DanaG> Well, when you can't trigger sleep or rfkill... and can't enable Bluetooth, for example.. then yes.
[03:14] <arrrghhh> DanaG, you can't do that manually?  i've never used any of those...
[03:15] <gaelfx> I definitely understand complaining about bluetooth, but I can't use mine even with the dongle, I don't know why it won't work :S
[03:25] <predator363> hi everyone
[03:26] <predator363> so is any one in the house tonight
[03:26] <predator363> ?
[03:26] <gaelfx> hoooooly cow, what is npviewer.bin?
[03:28] <predator363> should i go to the regular ubuntu chat?
[03:28] <predator363> cmon 245 people and no talkers?
[03:29] <gaelfx> it's really more of a support channel than a chat session
[03:29] <predator363> thats what im here for but i greeted evryone and there was no responce so i figured that my questions would be wasted if i asked becouse of the lack of responce
[03:30] <RAOF> !ask
[03:30] <RAOF> There are lots of people here who will ignore a "hi everyone, anyone here", but respond to an actual question.
[03:30] <predator363> usual 1 or 2 people usuly say helo lol
[03:30] <predator363> oh ok lolz
[03:30] <predator363> anywhoodles
[03:31] <arrrghhh> predator363, the point is this really isn't a chat room.  it's a support channel. we're not here to make friends per se.
[03:32] <predator363> i was dumb and thought that if i installed my old ath9k.deb into intrepid it would fix the weak wireless strenght problems i was having but it actualy completly broke all internet in ubuntu so here i am back in vista is there some set of commands i can do after i boot to get her upn runin again?
[03:33] <gaelfx> it broke ethernet also?
[03:42] <gaelfx> predator363: hmm, if you do 'man dpkg' you can see the different options used for it, one of which is 'deinstall'. It *might* work, but I've not tried anything like that myself, so big grain of salt with this one
[03:43] <danbh_intrepid> its: dpkg --remove or --purge
[03:43] <gaelfx> yeah, those ones :P
[03:48] <ekow> ﻿if i install the ibex beta right now, will it be significantly different than if i wait till the 31st for the release?
[03:50] <arrrghhh> there's already been a kernel and feature freeze, so not really no ekow
[03:50] <td123> so is the rc out already? I thought it was supposed to be out on the 23rd
[03:51] <arrrghhh> td123, yes the 23rd is the RC date.  kernel freeze was oct 16 and feature freeze was... well before then.
[03:51] <td123> arrrghhh: then why does it say release candidate images ready for testing on the irc title?
[03:52] <ekow> ﻿arrrghhh: cool thanks
[03:52] <arrrghhh> td123, those are what they say they are.  it hasn't been released for 'public' testing per se.  they're not easily found, if you go to ubuntu.com it'll have you dl the beta instead of the RC (until tomorrow sometime)
[03:53] <td123> arrrghhh: so those are the real rc images then?
[03:54] <td123> arrrghhh: are they afraid of bandwidth usage :P
[03:54] <ralpho> they should be there best work yet :)
[03:54] <XRolando> alright, I know im probably a week or so behind the curve but seriously, who flung dung?
[03:55] <td123> XRolando: its those beetles
[03:56] <XRolando> I quite liked the abstract wallpaper :'-(
[03:57] <td123> XRolando: that's why changing the wallpaper has its own item when you rightclick the desktop background
[03:58] <td123> XRolando: if you're complaining about the amount of wallpapers they include by default, then, that's why they have firefox in the quick launch panel
[03:58] <td123> :P
[04:00] <gaelfx> actually, I did a google search and found what I believe to be a truly great background: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/10/ibex-wallpaper.html
[04:01] <gaelfx> wish it were included in the defaults
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> ugh
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> I just played an SDL-based game which takes control of the mouse (and locks the cursor in the center of the screen)
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> when I exit it, my cursor is stuck there
[04:02] <td123> gaelfx: I dont like that bg
[04:02] <DanaG> Where's the wallpaper that looks like the Ibex on cork (or some other vaguely similar-ish wood)?
[04:02] <td123> gaelfx: this is why there are not a lot of default bgs
[04:02] <gaelfx> td123: well, I did say I *believe8 it's great
[04:02] <DanaG> The BEAT release?  =þ
[04:03] <gaelfx> td123: haha, but come on, they have that one that's just orange, how can anyone like that as a background?
[04:03] <DanaG> I liked the previous revision GDM theme better.
[04:03] <td123> gaelfx: I believe I said *I don't like that (opinion) :D
[04:03] <grayghost> arrrghhh:  you said the Kernel was frozen on the 16 .... does that mean that is no hope that the rc will run on a HP laptop?
[04:03] <ralpho> i dont like the brown at all use kubuntu too
[04:03] <DanaG> Current one makes me think of lens flare combined with various unpleasant things.
[04:04] <td123> grayghost: link to your problem please
[04:04] <kernco> I have two monitors, one 1680x1050 the other 1280x1024.  I have enabled the Nvidia driver v177, and only the 1680x1050 monitor is being detected, so I can't set up dual-screen.
[04:04] <td123> kernco: ok, go to preferences->screen
[04:04] <gaelfx> ralpho: yeah, I suppose brown could get annoying, but I really like the newHuman/Dark Room theme they have packaged with Ubuntu
[04:05] <ralpho> i like a dark theme too
[04:05] <kernco> Ok, it's called Display but I think that's what you meant
[04:05] <td123> kernco: when you see the box with another box in it, try clicking/doubleclicking in it.. you'll be surprised, but make sure the display is detected in the first place
[04:05] <DanaG> I like brown just fine, and I do like bright orange... but I can't stand the actually-gross mix in that spirally one.
[04:05] <ralpho> old fart eyes
[04:05] <td123> kernco: I had the same problem
[04:05] <kernco> I just see one display, called "default"
[04:06] <td123> kernco: I restarted my computer with the monitor plugged in, I dunno if that made a difference
[04:07] <kernco> It was plugged in when I turned it on.  It actually detected both before I enabled the nvidia driver, but they were just clones of each other.
[04:08] <DanaG> Don't you love nvidia's non-standard way of doing multiple monitors?
[04:08] <td123> kernco: oh, I think nvidia drivers have their own dual display config, dunno about it, I just heard it exists
[04:08] <DanaG> You can't use the Gnome thing; it entirely IGNORES it.
[04:08]  * DanaG ♥ nvida.... NOT.
[04:09] <kernco> I saw something about adding a "TwinView" line to xorg.conf, I guess I'll look into that.
[04:10] <DanaG> Open nvidia-settings, actually.
[04:11] <kernco> DanaG: Opened
[04:12] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/warty-final-ubuntu.jpg -- I like this image.
[04:14] <kernco> Ok, I think I figured it out using nvidia-settings.  Thanks everyone!
[04:14] <td123> DanaG: Its not that bad, but some of us don't like ibexs
[04:14] <td123> :)
[04:15] <DanaG> Sure beats the current one that I'd actually describe as a bit "gross".
[04:18] <gaelfx> I thought that one was the new default image?
[04:18] <Naisenu> Hi ... installing Ibex 64 bit on a 160GB SATA2 drive ... trying to leave an approx 80GB FAT32 portion at the front to install Windows on and just install Ubuntu for now ... Already tried to install it ... finished the install ... rebooted the computer (no CD in drive) & it just sits there apparently unable to find the new OS it just installed ...What am I doing wrong?
[04:19] <td123> Naisenu: what does it do when you reboot after install?
[04:20] <Naisenu> Boot from CD/DVD:
[04:20] <Naisenu> _ (blinking)
[04:20] <td123> Naisenu: take out the cd...
[04:20] <Naisenu> td123: been there done that
[04:21] <Naisenu> there is no optical media in the drive
[04:21] <td123> Naisenu: I mean boot after you installed without the cd in the drive
[04:21] <td123> Naisenu:
[04:21] <td123> oh
[04:21] <Naisenu> that's what i'm talking about
[04:21] <td123> Naisenu: change the boot order in your bios
[04:22] <Naisenu> rebooting
[04:22] <Naisenu> Boot order: CDROM/Hard Disk
[04:23] <td123> Naisenu: put the hard disk first
[04:23] <Naisenu> Hard Disk Boot Priority: WDC SATA2, DVD-RW
[04:23] <Naisenu> trying
[04:24] <gaelfx> how do you quit awn?
[04:24] <Naisenu> ... and we have a blinking cursor ... not even bothering to check the optcal media
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[04:26] <td123> Naisenu: all you get is a blinking cursor?
[04:27] <Naisenu> yes
[04:27] <Naisenu> it's after the Verifying DMI Pool Data
[04:27] <td123> Naisenu: does it do anything besides that prior
[04:27] <Naisenu> which means it's not finding a bootable sector
[04:27] <td123> Naisenu: reinstall grub
[04:27] <td123> Naisenu: you could have unchecked the install bootloader option :P, just reinstall boot loader
[04:28] <Naisenu> how?
[04:28] <td123> Naisenu: try it
[04:28] <shirish> hi all, on http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ it still shows the beta release
[04:28] <shirish> anybody knows where RC images can be found?
[04:28] <Naisenu> there was no option to install/uninstall a bootloader
[04:28] <td123> Naisenu: It could be a but, I dunno, I'm just offering solutions
[04:29] <Naisenu> if it makes any difference i was trying to manually partition the drive
[04:29] <td123> Naisenu: google it
[04:29] <Naisenu> i need a windows space at the beginning
[04:29] <td123> Naisenu: it probably wouldn't make a difference.. what was your config
[04:29] <BHSPitMonkey> Is there a way to fix sound in flash?
[04:30] <Naisenu> ~100GB for FAT32, 3GB swap, and remainder for /
[04:32] <td123> Naisenu: did you select the / to be formated?
[04:32] <BHSPitMonkey> it shouldn't let you continue without formatting /
[04:32] <td123> BHSPitMonkey: it could
[04:32] <Naisenu> yes it was formatted exte
[04:32] <Naisenu> grr 3
[04:32] <td123> BHSPitMonkey: how about if you have an empty ext3 partition?
[04:33] <BHSPitMonkey> td123, how about how do I get flash working?  :P
[04:33] <td123> Naisenu: just google on how to install grub on ubuntu
[04:33] <td123> or reinstall
[04:33] <Naisenu> this is the third reinstall with same results
[04:33] <Naisenu> gonna take my dog for a walk
[04:33] <td123> BHSPitMonkey: can you be any more descriptive? :)
[04:34] <BHSPitMonkey> td123, flash does not play sound;  all other apps do (gstreamer-based, mplayer/ffplay, vlc etc)
[04:34] <td123> BHSPitMonkey: what flash version
[04:34] <td123> ?
[04:34] <BHSPitMonkey> intrepid's
[04:34] <BHSPitMonkey> seems to be 9
[04:35] <BHSPitMonkey> I've heard reports that upgrading does not help, but I guess I will anyway
[04:35] <td123> BHSPitMonkey: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-924817.html
[04:38] <mikel> hi iv done something stupid i thought if i installed the ath9k drivers from my old hardy id get better wireless....well now i have none. how can i uninstall the driver i put in and get the one that worked back?
[04:40] <td123> mikel: how did you install them?
[04:46] <gaelfx> if I want to install the Skype-static-oss variant, should I uninstall the original Skype program first?
[04:50] <mikel> with a deb package
[04:51] <gaelfx> sweet
[04:51] <gaelfx> mt, sorry, but Skype's sound now works!
[04:52] <lucax> hey guys, since i have ubuntu on a pendrive, and im moving from one computer to another, i have to be downloading and installing xorg drivers from every computer... can i download all drivers and let ubuntu which one it should load at system startup?
[04:53] <coppro> perhaps try just plain #ubuntu
[04:53] <coppro> there's more general help in there
[04:54] <mikel> td123: sorry forgot to put your name in my responce i used a deb file
[04:54] <jimmacdonald> Hi everyone... just upgraded to Ibex and I am having graphics issues... it's an Nvidia 7600GS card
[04:54] <lucax> no one apparently know there...
[04:55] <jimmacdonald> anyone?
[04:57] <jimmacdonald> I am getting the following error: Ubuntu is rnning in low-graphisc mode, the following errors were in encountered You may need to update your configuration to solve this:
[04:57] <mikel> k any one elts wanna help me?
[04:57] <jimmacdonald> (EE) Unable to fined a valid framebuffer device
[04:58] <jimmacdonald> (EE) NV(0): Failed to open framebufer device, consult warning and/or errors above for possible reasons.
[04:58] <jimmacdonald> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a valid usable configuration.
[04:59] <jimmacdonald> got my  typing sucks to night... sorry.
[05:00] <mikel> anyone?
[05:04] <jimmacdonald> anyone but me around?
[05:07] <mikel> i am
[05:08] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: how did you install the driver?
[05:08] <mikel> with a deb
[05:08] <mikel> just clicked on it
[05:08] <jimmacdonald> gaelfx: I did not install the a new driver. all I did was upgrade the machine.
[05:09] <gaelfx> yeah, but how did you install the driver in the first place? it makes a difference if you installed with the restricted driver manager or if you used Envy
[05:09] <jimmacdonald> I believe this is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/261977
[05:10] <mikel> gaelfx: talking to me or jim?
[05:10] <gaelfx> mikel: jim
[05:10] <jimmacdonald> mikel: talking to me.
[05:10] <mikel> k
[05:10] <gaelfx> mikel: sorry man
[05:10] <mikel> guess i'll wait
[05:10] <jimmacdonald> gaelfx: I am not sure how the driver was installed it's been a while.
[05:12] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: ok, can you open terminal and do 'man envy'?
[05:12] <jimmacdonald> oh. it's installed.
[05:15] <jimmacdonald> actually I lied. apparently the upgrade took it out.
[05:15] <gaelfx> ok, I think you need to try the command 'sudo envy -t', I think that will reset the .conf file you're having troubles with
[05:15] <jimmacdonald> no man entry for envy.
[05:15] <gaelfx> ohh, ok
[05:15] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: well, can you open the hardware drivers app in the Administration menu?
[05:16] <jimmacdonald> actualy as we were talking I think I got it working... I went into System>Hardware Drivers and rolled back to an earlier version of the driver and it correct.
[05:17] <gaelfx> yeah, I was gonna say that it looks like your card is listed under nvidia-glx-173, is that the one you used?
[05:17] <jimmacdonald> yeah.
[05:18] <gaelfx> let me know if that actually does the trick, would you?
[05:18] <jimmacdonald> it did... I am even using dual screen on it.....
[05:18] <gaelfx> nice, congrats ;)
[05:19] <jimmacdonald> thanks.
[05:19] <jimmacdonald> for the help
[05:20] <gaelfx> well, that's what the channel's for
[05:20] <mikel> my turn :D?
[05:20] <gaelfx> sure, what's your issue?
[05:21] <mikel> (10:38:28 PM) mikel: hi iv done something stupid i thought if i installed the ath9k drivers from my old hardy id get better wireless....well now i have none. how can i uninstall the driver i put in and get the one that worked back?
[05:22] <gaelfx> mikel: do you have access to ethernet? or are you using a different OS now?
[05:22] <Phaix> my Atheros Wi-Fi's performance seems to be alot less than it was in hardy, is this a common problem?
[05:22] <jimmacdonald> gaelfx: was is the command to restart X?
[05:22] <mikel> i am on my macbook sitting at both laptops and only my macbook has net
[05:23] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: I believe it should restart when you login/logout
[05:23] <jimmacdonald> mikel: same configureation I was on
[05:23] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: either that or 'sudo /etc/X11/XOrg restart'
[05:23] <mikel> jimmacdonald: lol
[05:23] <gaelfx> jimmacdonald: lemme check though
[05:24] <gaelfx> errr...'sudo /etc/X11/X restart'
[05:24] <jimmacdonald> hehe or 'sudo reboot"
[05:24] <gaelfx> haha, yeah, that one should work too :P
[05:25] <BHSPitMonkey> I would use:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:25] <BHSPitMonkey> or CTRL+ALT+BKSP if you're feeling mean
[05:26] <mikel> gaelfx: iv got usb harddrive and pendrive tho so i can download stuff on here and put it on my linux lappy
[05:26] <gaelfx> mikel: ok, sorry, could you tell me which card you're using?
[05:27] <mikel> gaelfx: its an atheros ar5009
[05:29] <joshual> can I ask a kubuntu intrepid ibex question here?
[05:29] <gaelfx> hmmm, thinkk so
[05:29] <joshual> k
[05:29] <gaelfx> I've seen a few people saying they're using kubuntu
[05:29] <joshual> hi folks, when I play a dvd movie in any application on intrepid with kde4 only the playback stutters every few seconds regularly... should I/can I maybe up the priority of the application?
[05:31] <gaelfx> mikel: so you definitely can't connect the computer via ethernet?
[05:31] <mikel> gaelfx: nope
[05:31] <gaelfx> joshual: I don't think that would fix the problem unless your processor is running full steam
[05:33] <joshual> hrmm I've run ubuntu intrepid ibex, and I definitely don't get this probably
[05:34] <joshual> probably=problem
[05:34] <joshual> is what i meant
[05:35] <gaelfx> mikel: I can't find anything that seems to say anything about using ath9k in intrepid, perhaps you can scour http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid to try to find the right one for you
[05:35] <gaelfx> it should list the working cards under each package
[05:35] <mikel> gaelfx: so without internet i might be screwed?
[05:36] <gaelfx> joshual: which program are you using to view the video?
[05:36] <gaelfx> mikel: not necessarily, it just makes it harder because you can't use Synaptic on the relevant machine, ya know?
[05:37] <mikel> gealfx: the link you sent me sais page cannot be found
[05:37] <joshual> gaelfx: i've tried with many different programs, vlc, mplayer, dragon
[05:37] <gaelfx> mikel: oops, hang on
[05:38] <gaelfx> mikel: start from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:39] <mikel> seems it might not work either
[05:39] <joshual> gaelfx: any idea of some search parameters for this, i cant think how else i might search for this problem in the forums or google to see if anyone else has this problem
[05:39] <Mimi> anyone know what command brings up add/remove ?
[05:40] <Mimi> oops wrong chat , but i guess its fine here too >.<
[05:40] <mikel> gaelfx: wont even pull up from the link in google
[05:42] <mikel> gaelfx: nevermind the gogle link worked
[05:42] <gaelfx> joshual: well, then, it's probably graphics driver issue
[05:43] <gaelfx> mikel: it's probably because they're updating it that it's acting funny, you know?
[05:43] <mikel> gaelfx: yea its running real slow
[05:43] <joshual> gaelfx: but as I said, it doesnt happen in Ubuntu (gnome) only on Kubuntu...
[05:43] <gaelfx> joshual: have you tried running one of the players from Terminal or Konsole or whatever and see what output you get?
[05:44] <joshual> no I'll try now
[05:44] <gaelfx> joshual: that's usually a good way to diagnose a problem
[05:45] <gaelfx> joshual: also, in VLC you can turn on logging to the syslog, that might show you what's going on when the player is going
[05:45] <joshual> ah ok
[05:45] <joshual> thx
[05:47] <mikel> gaelfx: what am i suposed to be looking for here?
[05:47] <gaelfx> mikel: hang on, I'm looking too
[05:47] <joshual> im going to try installing gnome on here and see what happens
[05:48] <mikel> gaelfx: oh ok
[05:52] <gaelfx> mikel: wow man, I can't find any atheros stuff anywhere
[05:52] <mikel> gaelfx: ries
[05:52] <mikel> *cries
[05:54] <gaelfx> mikel: have you tried looking at www.madwifi.org?
[05:55] <mikel> do i need mad wifi?
[05:55]  * DanaG wonders if vesa would deal with suspend-to-ram better than nv.
[05:56] <gaelfx> mikel: well, if you look at the website, it looks like ath9k doesn't support your card, ar5009, right?
[05:56] <joshual> My issue is Kde4, I have tried logging into fluxbox and playing a movie in vlc and I dont get the stuttering every 5 seconds.
[05:57] <mikel> gaelfx: yea
[05:59] <mikel> gaelfx: im trying mad wifi now
[06:00] <gaelfx> mikel: perhaps you could try to find this .deb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=929012 listed in the third post on the thread, unless that is the one you were using before
[06:00] <chuxxsss> how do I get login window to use chrome-theme.so doesn't like it
[06:00] <DanaG> .so? That's not login theme.
[06:01] <chuxxsss> what would it be than please DanaG
[06:01] <DanaG> .so files are likely usplash themes.
[06:01] <mikel> gaelfx: yea thats the one that broke it lol
[06:02] <DanaG> On Intrepid, I've had to manually rebuild any custom themes I wanted to use, from source.
[06:02] <gaelfx> mikel: kk, well, let me know if madwifi works
[06:02] <mikel> gaelfx: its a script that compiles the drivers for you and i tryed to use it and it broke em
[06:02] <chuxxsss> great
[06:02] <mikel> gaelfx: eek madwifi seems complicated
[06:02] <RAOF> DanaG: Have you tried mjg's nv_bios module?
[06:02] <gaelfx> mikel: hm, what's it saying?
[06:03] <DanaG> Where do I get said nv_bios?
[06:03] <RAOF> DanaG: VESA ain't gonna cut it, probably.
[06:03] <mikel> gaelfx: nothing theres tons of folders and file i dont know where to start
[06:03]  * DanaG goes and asks google.
[06:03] <DanaG> =þ
[06:03] <RAOF> DanaG: uuum.  Maybe it's on the nouveau wiki?
[06:03] <mikel> madwifi: was i suposed to extract it?
[06:03] <chuxxsss> google tells all
[06:03] <DanaG> Can I use it with the old nv module?  Nouveau doesn't treat this laptop's CPU nicely.
[06:03] <RAOF> It's nouveau's bios code extracted into a kernel module for the purposes of reiniting the card after resume.
[06:03] <gaelfx> mikel: yeah, there should be a readme, but hang on a minute before you get too into it
[06:04] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah.  It doesnt' actually work with nouveau :)
[06:04] <RAOF> DanaG: Just with nv
[06:04] <mikel> gelfx: ok cos if i do this alone i'll break it worse
[06:06] <jesseboi> Can someone help me with a bug report?  I'm trying to contribute as much info as possible but I'm kinda at that "what next"? stage....  The bug in question is as follows:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/286227
[06:08] <gaelfx> mikel: well, you MIGHT try the ath5k driver
[06:09] <mikel> where would i get it lol
[06:10] <mikel> gaelfx: also the mad wifi readme asumes you have a little more command knawlage then i do
[06:10] <gaelfx> mikel: yeah, then forget about it, it's probably not worth what you would have to go through
[06:11] <chuxxsss> DanaG thanks for the help
[06:13] <gaelfx> mikel: hopefully this post will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4985931#poststop
[06:14] <gaelfx> mikel: although it looks like it would be a lot easier with an ethernet connection
[06:18] <gaelfx> out of curiosity, does anyone know a good gnome app that's similar to Amarok? I don't particularly care for Rhythmbox
[06:19] <mikel> gaelfx: dangit how do i use compat wirelss lol it to is more complicated the my newly born linux brain can handle
[06:19] <DanaG> gaelfx: consider exaile or quodlibet.
[06:19] <gaelfx> mikel: what is compat wireless?
[06:20] <mikel> the program you linked me to for the ath9k drivers is called compat wireless they have one for ath5k as well
[06:20] <mikel> is there an ath5k deb?
[06:21] <gaelfx> mikel: which program? madwifi?
[06:21] <gaelfx> mikel: I didn't find one in my search, but I didn't look all that hard
[06:21] <mikel> gaelfx: aarrhhgg im so confused
[06:23] <gaelfx> mikel: sorry man :S I've never used Atheros cards, so I'm a little out of my element
[06:23] <mikel> ooowww
[06:24] <mikel> where should i go?
[06:25] <mikel> to find help?
[06:25] <gaelfx> mikel: well, not entirely sure, have you tried using ndiswrapper?
[06:25] <gaelfx> DanaG: Exaile - great call! Thanks :D
[06:26] <mikel> no but i'll try
[06:27] <Relegated> Can someone help me get sound working in Ibex, it was working and now its totally broken
[06:27] <gaelfx> Every time I start up airport2-config, it freezes almost immediately, has anyone else had this problem?
[06:28] <Relegated> Also, when I click my applications button no menu drops down
[06:29] <Relegated> system and places work fine
[06:30] <DanaG> RAOF: trying to build nv_bios: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.  Stop.
[06:30] <lzy-sjtu> is anyone know how to enable gdm face brower in 8.10?
[06:30] <mikel> hmm when i type in iwconfig it shows no wireless extesion on all acounts
[06:31] <gaelfx> mikel: does your card show up in lspci?
[06:32] <lzy-sjtu> no one knows?
[06:32] <DanaG> oh, make, not sudo make. =þ
[06:33] <mikel> yea sais ar928x wireless but thats not what i have mines an ar5009 thats what my lapys specs say
[06:33] <gaelfx> mikel: oooooh, that might be a wholly different problem then
[06:34] <mikel> hmm then what should i do?
[06:34] <mikel> should i continue getting ready to use ndiswrapper?
[06:34] <gaelfx> mikel: well, I'm not really sure man :S
[06:35] <mikel> cant hurt right?
[06:35] <gaelfx> mikel: you know, the card might have one name, but the chip might be a different name, where did you get that it's ar5009 from?
[06:36] <mikel> compaqs website
[06:41] <mikel> god i dont want to have to reinstall eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[06:42] <gaelfx> mikel: you know, it might be a lot better than you think, just back up your home directory
[06:43] <mikel> if i backup my home directory will i have to reinstall things like wine and my games?
[06:50] <mikel> sorry disconnected if i back up my home directory do i have to reinstall things like wine and my games?
[06:50] <Mimi> Youd have to reinstall wine, but not all your games
[06:50] <gaelfx> mikel: chances are you will
[06:55] <mikel> eh i see what i can do
[06:55] <mikel> thx all
[06:56] <alka_trash> damn it sure is temping to install The Ibex
[06:57] <alka_trash> The only thing is my hardy install is killer right now and I don't want to chance the instlall
[06:58] <alka_trash> I have it on vbox but it's more or less a tease
[07:00] <EruditeHermit> hi, how do I debug a hard lock with the raden driver after upgrading to intrepid
[07:07] <histo_> Hrm.. conky with double buffer enabled forces the desktop to redraw so you icons aren't visible.
[07:20] <FFForever> how do i install truecrypt?
[07:47] <prodigel> hi all. After I've upgraded to intrepid some keys stopped working. I've made updates everyday and still my problem persists. How can I 'reset' my keyboard settings?
[08:00] <les> prodigel: System->preferences->keyboard and choose a different layout perhaps?
[08:03] <prodigel> les, no success with that. other ideas?
[08:03] <Sebboh> Hi.  I'd like to use this apt repost: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/monkeyiq/xUbuntu_8.04/ .. but how do I constuct a deb line for that?  (I mean, that repository doesn't contain a /dist/ anywhere.. Is it just broken?)
[08:07] <les> prodigel: remove any .Xmodmap files you have in home then kill X and relog
[08:07] <Sebboh> s/repost/repository/
[08:07] <les> then if you have no weird modmap stuff happening and you have the correct layout, no idea man :)
[08:12] <kal> hi
[08:13] <kal> Is latest image build  official rc1?
[08:14] <wgrant> kal: No.
[08:14] <kal> ok, thanks
[08:29] <FFForever> wgrant, you still around?
[08:30] <FFForever> wgrant, i still have my bootup stalling problem and i have updated my system everyday (sound works now though from one of the updates XD)
[08:33] <FFForever> ello?
[09:18] <Raylz> hi, ive installed ubuntu 8.10 beta on my acer aspire one 110L and im having huge fonts
[09:18] <Raylz> the xorg.conf is minimal and when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i can only set keybord stuff
[09:36] <mikel> any one know how to install the nvidia 177 drivers from command?
[09:44] <maxb_> apt-get install nvidia-glx-177  (I think(
[10:05] <Brian88> hi, can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04 with Kubuntu 8.10 cd? Is the kubuntu CD I got from ShipIt contains kde 4?
[10:06] <Brian88> hi, can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04 with Kubuntu 8.10 cd? Is the kubuntu CD I got from ShipIt contains kde 4?
[10:06] <Brian88> hi, can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04 with Kubuntu 8.10 cd? Is the kubuntu CD I got from ShipIt contains kde 4?
[10:06] <Brian88> hi, can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04 with Kubuntu 8.10 cd? Is the kubuntu CD I got from ShipIt contains kde 4?
[10:06] <Brian88> hi, can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04 with Kubuntu 8.10 cd? Is the kubuntu CD I got from ShipIt contains kde 4?
[10:07] <ikonia> Brian88: don't flood the channel
[10:21] <melkart> is the RC out for kubuntu already? i want to download it, but on the website https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu i get directed to the beta instead
[10:23] <willwill> I got a question : I'm mirroring hardy and intrepid, can I submit it into the official cdimages mirror?
[10:36] <technopagan> melkart: I haven't found the RC yet either... Do you think it will be useable?
[10:36] <scizzo-> melkart: don't think that kubuntu images are handled by the _ubuntu_ team directly....might be best to check in a kubuntu channel instead
[10:37] <melkart> technopagan: i am worried about a particular bug in the beta which made it not only unusable, but even unbootable to me
[10:37] <melkart> scizzo-: ok, tx
[10:38] <scizzo-> I believe that the main ubuntu team releases ubuntu images...then the kubuntu teams create their own which are then linked from the ubuntu site
[10:39] <melkart> gtg now... bye
[10:53] <humbolt> switching users is not working form me in intrepid (I upgraded from hardy yesterday)
[10:54] <humbolt> The X server failed to finish starting.
[10:54] <humbolt> 3 X failed
[10:54] <humbolt> what might be wrong there? "The graphical interface did not properly start, which is needed for graphical logins. It is likely that the X Window System or GDM is not properly configured."
[10:55] <humbolt> any ideas?
[10:57] <Chousuke> you need to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.log or whatever it was and find out what the actual error is
[11:11] <mikel1> how do you install nvidia 177 drivers in command?
[11:32] <skwashd> hi all
[11:33] <skwashd> is it just me or has evolution got really flakey in the last couple of days?
[11:33] <skwashd> btw i have 2.24.1-0ubuntu1
[11:34] <root> eh
[11:34] <root> sup
[11:34] <root> sooo.......
[11:34] <root> is there an alternative to using ubiquity to install?
[11:36] <skwashd> Guest96562: yes ... grab the alternate cd image
[11:41] <Guest96562> ...
[11:41] <Guest96562> skwashd: what does alternate use for the installer
[11:41] <skwashd> Guest96562: the debian text based installer
[11:41] <Guest96562> what's that called?
[11:42] <skwashd> which i personally prefer as it gives you more options
[11:42] <skwashd> debian-installer iirc
[11:42] <skwashd> it is ncurses based
[11:48] <mikel1> hey when i boot up ubuntu i get a message saying running in low graphics mode when i click ok it give me 2 options reconfigure graphics and troubleshoot which it wont let me past what do i do?
[11:48] <xomp> ground control to Major Tom
[11:56] <les> well the upgrade is smooth so far. lets see what happens after i reboot.
[11:56] <faileas> hmm, did they fix the bug with the intel gigabit ethernet adaptors?
[12:02] <SlimG> Whatever has happened to the "xsupplicant" package in intrepid? It seems to be missing in the current repos ...?
[12:04] <skwashd> SlimG: no idea .. but you could try wpagui or kwlan
[12:06] <cparatschek> is the rc already available somewhere?
[12:07] <J_P> hi all
[12:07] <J_P> ﻿ubuntu 8.10 will be released with OpenOffice3 ?
[12:07] <SlimG> skwashd: Those are GUI frontends for wpasupplicant, I need xsupplicant for ethernet, I guess wpasupplicant is wireless-only ..?
[12:08] <skwashd> SlimG: i assumed xsupplicant was a gui for wpasupplicant
[12:08] <skwashd> sorry i have no idea
[12:08] <skwashd> J_P: no ... but you can install it by using a ppa source
[12:09] <rmn> i'm trying to connect to internet via a SE K750 mobile via USB-cable.  I'm stuck at 2.6.27-5.  I get to ping out (albeit with a 800ms delay), but get disconnected even after a few seconds.  any suggestions?
[12:09] <SlimG> No problem skwashd, thanks for trying :)
[12:09] <J_P> ok
[12:10] <SlimG> What do I need to get 802.1x to work over ethernet in Intrepid?
[12:11] <skwashd> J_P: add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list (without the quotes)
[12:11] <faileas> did they fix the bug with the intel gigabit ethernet adaptors?
[12:12] <skwashd> faileas: maybe try searching for the bug in question on launchpad.net rather than asking here every 15mins
[12:13] <skwashd> SlimG: might have to try google ... apt-cache search isn't turning up anything for clients
[12:13] <J_P> skwashd: why 8.10 not release with OO3 ?
[12:15] <skwashd> J_P: i got bored reading the thread on it ... but it aint going to happen
[12:15] <skwashd> lots of people wanted it ... and others didn't
[12:15] <faileas> skwashd: ahh, they disabled the driver in question until the actual release. thats what i needed to know ;p
[12:15] <J_P> skwashd: is not stable yet the oo3 ? this is the problem ?
[12:15] <skwashd> personally .. i would have preferred no gvfs or pulse audio in hardy ... and them + oo.o3 in intrepid
[12:16] <skwashd> J_P: i went gold the other day
[12:16] <skwashd> but i think release timing was a big concern
[12:17] <J_P> humm
[12:17] <J_P> skwashd: but are there possibility  to be released oo3 in 8.10, or is is finished the decision ?
[12:17] <skwashd> J_P: it will get into backports at some stage
[12:17] <skwashd> J_P: it will not be in the official release AFAIK
[12:18] <J_P> ok
[12:18] <skwashd> but you can get it via the ppa i gave you
[12:18] <J_P> ok
[12:18] <J_P> skwashd: what is ppa ?
[12:19] <skwashd> i forget what it stands for ... but it is apt repos on launchpad.net for ubuntu devs
[12:23] <szalonna> hi, i have installed 8.10 beta on my notebook, is there any reason why the 4965 firmware is not included by default?
[12:24] <szalonna> it took me some time to realise that i was missing it : |
[12:24] <skwashd> szalonna: which kernel version? dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[12:24] <Brian88> Does kubuntu 8.10 ship with KDE3 or KDE4???
[12:25] <skwashd> Brian88: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta
[12:25] <skwashd> kde4
[12:25] <szalonna> skwashd: i'm using 2.6.27-4-generic
[12:26] <Brian88> I have Ubuntu 8.04, can I upgrade it to Kubuntu 8.10??
[12:26] <schmidtm> szalonna: iwlagn module should be integrated then
[12:26] <faileas> Brian88: you can upgrade to 8.10 then install the kubuntu-desktop package i think
[12:27] <skwashd> Brian88: it is still beta ... so if it breaks ... you get to keep both pieces
[12:28] <Brian88> faileas: I've ordered the CD from ship it. Can I install kubuntu desktop package from Kubuntu 8.10 CD? Because my internet usage is limited and slow
[12:29] <skwashd> szalonna: i am currently connected via an intel 4965 with 2.6.27-7-generic
[12:29] <skwashd> Brian88: yes
[12:29]  * faileas can't remember if you can update from the live-cd
[12:30] <Brian88> skwashd: I've heard on some forums that kubuntu cd is compressed and you can't install things from it, is it correct?
[12:31] <LastLemming> hello, does RC released?
[12:31] <szalonna> you would need the packages to install it, i think the live cd does not contain them, but i have no idea
[12:31] <skwashd> Brian88: i am not sure about kubuntu ... but the ubuntu installer adds itself to the apt sources list on install
[12:32] <wgrant> LastLemming: It is not.
[12:32] <szalonna> awesome, after upgrading the firmware is there
[12:32] <wgrant> Brian88: You can install from it, but you cannot upgrade from it.
[12:33] <skwashd> szalonna: i upgraded from 7.10
[12:34] <Brian88> wgrant: what do you mean? I have an installation of ubuntu 8.04, and then I want to upgrade to Kubuntu 8.10, can I?
[12:34] <szalonna> i've upgraded it yesterday, from a clean beta install, i think it just happened that the linux-firmware was added today
[12:34] <wgrant> Brian88: Not using the desktop CD, no.
[12:34] <kadakas> hey, is it wise to use Ubuntu 8.10 on a work+personal laptop or should i just stick to 8.04 for the next few years? I like stability, but I also like the newest of new software to be available to me
[12:34] <Brian88> Usually in the update manager there are "New release" like that
[12:34] <wgrant> kadakas: 8.10 will be fine on production systems in a week.
[12:35] <skwashd> Brian88: wgrant is probably right i always install from the alternate cd
[12:35] <Brian88> wgrant: desktop cd what do you mean? I want to upgrade from live cd
[12:35] <Brian88> Can I ask for alternate cd on shipit??
[12:35] <kadakas> if I install 8.10 today, will it be painless to upgrade it to the release version in a week?
[12:35] <faileas> Brian88: fraid not
[12:35] <wgrant> Brian88: The desktop CD is the new name for the live CD.
[12:35] <wgrant> Brian88: And no, ShipIt provides only desktop CDs.
[12:35] <wgrant> kadakas: Yes.
[12:35] <kadakas> wgrant: thank you! :)
[12:35] <wgrant> kadakas: There will be a few updates, but they will come through as normal upgrades.
[12:36] <LastLemming> what mean 7/7 (3) in test status?
[12:37] <LastLemming> and the bugs pics, number, red ones, green ones
[12:37] <LastLemming> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[12:40] <Brian88> OK, thanks for all the support. I have to leave now. Bye..!
[12:42] <chuxxsss> Anyone know why I can't see my print through smb on my windows network
[12:44] <skwashd> looks like it is something local that makes evolution so unstable
[12:44] <skwashd> happy testing
[12:49] <chuxxsss> anyone else having print problem over there network
[12:50] <chuxxsss> please
[12:54] <mohbana> hi, when is the next release due?
[12:54] <chuxxsss> in printer SMB Brower doesn't show printer in 8.10
[12:56] <chuxxsss> bye
[12:58] <W8TAH> if im keeping up to date on updates etc -- am i already up to the RC level or do i need to download something else?
[12:59] <IdleOne> W8TAH: you are already good
[12:59] <W8TAH> kool - i thought so but wanted to be sure
[13:07] <mohbana> hi, when is the next release due?
[13:10] <mohbana> why isn't ~/bin added to my path variable by default?
[13:14] <Eldy> hai
[13:14] <Eldy> deci
[13:26] <blackgold> any tool to configure external monitor resolution? included applet dont allow to change resolutions at all. (ubuntu-mid)
[13:34] <Kage_Jittai> How do I get frame buffer devices installed?
[13:47] <kevor> hi there
[13:47] <kevor> got some problems with getting on my wireless internet
[13:47] <kevor> there is no icon in the gnome-panel, so i've no clue how to join the network
[13:54] <starscalling> o:
[13:54] <starscalling> doing the dist-upgrade now...
[13:54] <starscalling> 10 min or so to go @_@;
[13:56]  * scizzo- is writting down that starscalling is upgrading... ;)
[14:02] <starscalling> lulz
[14:02] <starscalling> ive an erratia already tho
[14:03] <starscalling> for some reason firefox wont run
[14:03] <starscalling> lol
[14:03] <starscalling> might be some reference to the old sda it was from..
[14:07] <starscalling> o wow - some erratic changes lol
[14:07] <starscalling> !upgrade
[14:11] <Tumie> does somebody got screens of ubuntu 8.10 RC ?
[14:11] <LastLemming> Tumie: you mean daily ?
[14:12] <LastLemming> ubuntu daily
[14:12] <LastLemming> someone said RC not release yet
[14:12] <Tumie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html
[14:13] <Tumie> watch that link, release candidate is their :)
[14:13] <LastLemming>  think it's daily
[14:13] <Tumie> ok, do you got screens of daily?
[14:14] <LastLemming> nope
[14:14] <LastLemming> i th_ink I will wait for rc
[14:14] <starscalling> bah
[14:14] <LastLemming> or finalo
[14:15] <starscalling> i wanna get it fairly stable
[14:15] <starscalling> then not update till a month after release
[14:15] <starscalling> i hate dealing with repos
[14:15] <starscalling> lol
[14:15] <starscalling> [and i'm too lazy to run my own]
[14:15] <Tumie> i can't wait until 30th october :p
[14:15] <LastLemming> I does use ubuntu, just to screencast in a vm :)
[14:15] <starscalling> bah!
[14:15] <LastLemming> I doesn't use ubuntu, just to screencast in a vm :)
[14:15] <starscalling> LastLemming: o?
[14:16] <starscalling> hm lots of font stuff going on
[14:16] <starscalling> amazing amounts
[14:16]  * starscalling sighs
[14:18] <DeeJayTwo> I have no more automatic updates
[14:18] <DeeJayTwo> what's the package responsible for it?
[14:18] <DeeJayTwo> I have daily based updates in my configuration
[14:18] <DeeJayTwo> update-manager is installed... I can call it manually
[14:20] <IdleOne> update-manager is the package I believe
[14:24] <knittl> hi intrepid users! gnome doesn't save my sessions, it looks like it's a problem with intrepid… is there any way to fix it?
[14:25] <knittl> hi intrepid users! gnome doesn't save my sessions, it looks like it's a problem with intrepid… is there any way to fix it?
[14:25] <asabil_> hi all
[14:25] <asabil_> why can't I access this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/280760 ?
[14:28] <DeeJayTwo> is there some cron stuff for the update manager?
[14:28] <DeeJayTwo> If it's the case... where is it?
[14:28] <knittl> somebody any ideas or links?
[14:29] <mynameistux> back while I was using hardy, I tried banshee, and while it was loading, my battery died compleatly causing banshee to have a hissy fit. I just upgraded to intrepid, and I want to give banshee another go, but it throws out the same error. How do I clear ALL the banshee related config files, debs, binaries etc in one fell swoop. so I can install it again?
[14:29] <mynameistux>  
[14:29] <knittl> pleaese memo me, i gotta go
[14:30] <gnomefreak> DeeJayTwo: yuou are unable to view private bugs unless you filed it or you are subscribed to the package the bug is placed on. once it is checked for private info it will be released
[14:31] <gnomefreak> mynameistux: sudo apt-get remove --purge banshee
[14:31] <gnomefreak> mynameistux: also remove banshee dir in ~/
[14:31] <gnomefreak> ~/.
[14:33] <mynameistux> ok, I will post the error message, becasue it is still happening
[14:34] <mynameistux> http://pastebin.com/m2e906b36
[14:35] <mynameistux> anyone know whats up wid dat?
[14:37] <asabil_> mynameistux: the banshee files are in ~/.config/banshee-1 iirc
[14:40] <mynameistux> thank you, that fixed it
[14:41] <mynameistux> now I can hate freedom, and use mono for everything, praise propriety software!
[14:41] <faileas> mynameistux: er... why is using mono hating freedom?
[14:41] <mynameistux> time to go cry in a corner methinks
[14:41] <mynameistux> I heard that it hated freedom
[14:42] <faileas> hell, if i could run ONE mono app, i'd lost 1/3 of the reasons i'd have to have windows on my laptop
[14:42] <mynameistux> banshee is written in mono isn't it?
[14:43] <faileas> mynameistux: apparently so
[14:43]  * faileas is a KDE user. ;p
[14:43] <mynameistux> *has over 300 dupliacate songs, and is fixing that right now
[14:43] <mynameistux> *has over 300 dupliacate songs, and is fixing that right now*
[14:43] <mynameistux> how do you do that?
[14:44] <faileas> so what?
[14:44] <faileas> *do
[14:44] <mynameistux> *do
[14:44] <mynameistux> nvr mind
[14:44] <mynameistux> gotta go duplicate hunting
[14:53] <e\ectro_> isnt Intrepid RC class today?
[15:02] <Frijolie> How do you check your default language settings? I've noticed some random languages appearing in OOo
[15:06] <joaopinto> Frijolie, on the terminal: locale
[15:10] <darren__> Hi i installed the new ubuntu and i have compiz fuzion icon and select emerald but it does not seem to change any more for the windows theme, also last question if any one can help i downloaded a program from synaptic befor and can not remember what its called is to install the boot up screens and select a time limeit on selecting the kernal think it was called some thing like start up manager thanks in advance
[15:13] <td123> darren__: it's called startup-manager
[15:13] <td123> it should be under system tools
[15:23] <JackTop> just upgraded my laptop to kubuntu 8.10rc to test.  have something strange.  the is some screen flicker regularly, and it looks like it's trying to create a window which fails,which is causing the flicker.  any ideas ?
[15:24] <saint-takeshi> since i went up to intrepid, the "places" menu (in my main menu) don't work anymore
[15:24] <saint-takeshi> they launch audacious for some reason
[15:25] <saint-takeshi> anyone had that or similar?
[15:25] <joaopinto> not me
[15:25] <joaopinto> did you upgrade, or a fresh install ?
[15:26] <saint-takeshi> upgrade from hardy (ubuntustudio)
[15:26] <JackTop> joaopinto: if you talk to me, upgrade
[15:27] <joaopinto> saint-takeshi, dist-upgrade is a common source of problems :P
[15:27] <joaopinto> JackTop, was for saint :)
[15:27] <joaopinto> JackTop, have you checked your system logs for any tip ?
[15:28] <saint-takeshi> i'd have done a fresh install if i could, but i've knackered my optical drive
[15:28] <JackTop> yeah, think i'm gonna make a new install on the laptop too
[15:30] <squid0> hey there. how stable is the rc?
[15:33] <joaopinto> squid0, so far so good
[15:34] <squid0> thanks, joaopinto. where is a straight-forward url (or torrent) to download an image for kubuntu x86 cd?
[15:35] <squid0> just as a once-off download
[15:35] <faileas> squid0: http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso ?
[15:35] <faileas> least thats what i used with wget ;p
[15:35] <squid0> thanks, faileas
[15:35] <joaopinto> squid0, I don't think there will be Kubuntu RC images available before the Ubuntu ones
[15:35] <squid0> oh but hang on, thhat's the beta
[15:36] <faileas> squid0: >_>
[15:36] <faileas> squid0: oops
[15:36]  * faileas didn't catch all of it ;p
[15:36] <squid0> faileas: no worries
[15:36] <joaopinto> the RC images are still "testing", http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[15:37] <squid0> joaopinto: what does that mean?
[15:37] <squid0> I mean, I can still download and install with it, no?
[15:37] <squid0> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[15:38] <joaopinto> yes, but, in case a major issue is found with the current iso, the final RC image maybe different :P
[15:38] <squid0> oh, ok...
[15:38] <squid0> so when is the final RC due out?
[15:38] <joaopinto> it's planned for today
[15:38] <squid0> ah, ok
[15:38] <joaopinto> but you should be fine with the QA iso
[15:39] <squid0> ok, great
[15:39] <joaopinto> you will get the remaining updates from the repositories
[15:39] <squid0> so is there no url to that iso?
[15:40] <faileas> joaopinto: wouldn't that be the same as using the beta then upgrading though?
[15:40] <joaopinto> no, this iso is a RC test image, from yesterday, unlike the Beta which is from a few days ago ;)
[15:40] <squid0> right; I tried already with the beta but encountered a serious bug when trying it on livecd
[15:41] <joaopinto> faileas, but if you had the beta installed fine, yes, you will get the same result :P
[15:42] <joaopinto> squid0, so you are a good candidate to test the RC ;)
[15:42] <squid0> joaopinto: can you help me with a url to the kubuntu rc iso?
[15:42] <squid0> joaopinto: yes, I suppose so!
[15:42]  * faileas will be testing the beta some time next week
[15:42] <faileas> trying to decide if i want to wait a week and just go for stable ;p
[15:42] <joaopinto> squid0, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/2095
[15:42] <squid0> although I'm planning on installing it over my old system, so I'm hoping it will mostly be ok
[15:42] <joaopinto> faileas, it will not be beta at that time :P
[15:43] <faileas> joaopinto: over the next week
[15:43] <faileas> i was supposed to have tested it... 2 days ago, but am lazy ;p
[15:43] <joaopinto> faileas, that's RC, not beta :P
[15:43] <hackel> Since upgrading to Intrepid, sometimes when I boot with linux 2.6.27 I get a continuous beep from my PC speaker until some point in the boot process when it shuts off.  This does not happen when I boot 2.6.24.  Any idea what might be going on here?  I'm not sure how to  debug this effectively since I can't pause the boot process to see what's going on.
[15:44] <joaopinto> hackel, I have the same issue since beta, that beep seems to be related to something on the BIOS
[15:44] <faileas> joaopinto: let me put it this way, i suddenly decided to set up a full file server with webdav, and SMB support instead of imaging my hard drive, and checking out the one bug i was afraid of ;p
[15:44] <joaopinto> I didn't filed a bug report, because the beeping is random, and I do not see any error that could be usefull
[15:44] <hackel> joaopinto, I'm using a Dell m1530, do you have anything similar?
[15:45] <squid0> joaopinto: thanks
[15:45] <joaopinto> nope, I have an OEM PC
[15:45] <joaopinto> I am not on it right now, can't provide the specs
[15:45] <joaopinto> lets see if someone reported it on LP
[15:46] <faileas> joaopinto: lol. i think thats why i keep a copy of my LSHW/its windows equivilent output somewhere ;p
[15:46] <hackel> joaopinto, I've been searching for an existing bug but haven't found one yet, have you?
[15:47] <joaopinto> hackel, not sure it's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/273397
[15:48] <joaopinto> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284434
[15:48] <nekostar> hey this is nice ;)
[15:49] <andresmh> how can I tell what version of ALSA drivers I am using?
[15:50] <nekostar> dpkg -l *alsa*|grep ii
[15:50] <nekostar> /EXEC dpkg -l *alsa*|grep ii
[15:50] <nekostar> that will echo it in xchat [only to you hehe]
[15:51] <nekostar> ok
[15:51] <nekostar> lets see if my dvd drive worx now
[15:51] <nekostar> ;_;
[15:51] <hackel> joaopinto, do you get repeated beeps, or a single continuous tone? I'm getting the latter, but most of the bug reports seem to be describing the former, and other than the last one, don't mention it stopping.
[15:51] <andresmh> thank nekostar
[15:51] <nekostar> though has anyone else noticed with everything in its rather large?
[15:51] <nekostar> andresmh np
[15:51] <nekostar> hackel no beeps here fwiw
[15:52] <nekostar> 3.87GB so far tho
[15:52] <Woody86> My monitor isn't displaying the correct resolution for my monitor, can anyone help me out?
[15:52] <nekostar> Woody86 what vid card?
[15:52] <andresmh> how do I know if the ALSA driver I get from apt-get is the same or different than the one from  http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.gz
[15:52] <Woody86> nekostar -  MSI NX8600GT (nividia)
[15:53] <nekostar> andresmh you need to go to alsa page and check what latest is
[15:53] <joaopinto> I have repeated beeps
[15:53] <nekostar> Woody86 ok i got em working this way:
[15:53] <testerle> can someone help me? if i start my ubuntu it stucks on the login-screen... it says: "no greeter widget plugin loaded. check the configuration." what shall i do?
[15:53] <testerle> please help me someone
[15:53] <nekostar> testerle thats not that bad
[15:53] <joaopinto> hackel, but mine does stop, randomly
[15:53] <testerle> what shall i do?
[15:54] <nekostar> go to ctrl+alt+f1 and login there
[15:54] <nekostar> then do: sudo su -
[15:54] <andresmh> ok
[15:54] <nekostar> then put in sudo pass again
[15:54] <nekostar> now yer rooot
[15:54] <andresmh> separate question, what is build-essential ?
[15:54] <hackel> joaopinto, Hmm, okay.  Well, I think I'll try to debug this a bit more and then make a new bug report for a continuous beep.  Thanks.
[15:54] <testerle> i can do all that
[15:54] <joaopinto> hackel, well, the sound is continuous, but there is a lowder sound with a fixed frequency
[15:54] <testerle> but whick pakage i have to install to get my login-screen back
[15:55] <nekostar> testerle kde? gnome?
[15:55] <nekostar> andresmh minimal tools to build things from source
[15:56] <testerle> gnome and kde
[15:56] <joaopinto> I would described as a repeated because of the lowder (annoying) part of the sound
[15:56] <testerle> the login-screen seems to be a kde-login-screen
[15:56] <mnemoc> Hi, I just finished updating to 8.10 a box with usb mouse and keyboard, alt-f1 works but gdm ignores my keyboard :(   any idea?
[15:56] <nekostar> ..........
[15:56] <nekostar> apparently that breaks things
[15:56] <joaopinto> mnemoc, I had the same experience, but doing an install over an existing / without formatting
[15:57] <joaopinto> the installer left my hardy kernel, mixed with the newer kernel modules
[15:57] <joaopinto> so the kbd/mouse/net modules were not loaded
[15:57] <joaopinto> mndo, check your uname -a
[15:58] <jimmyspark> hey guys, funny video : http://www.b3ta.com/links/How_to_confuse_an_idiot
[15:58] <joaopinto> ops, the uname was for mnemoc  :P
[15:59] <faileas> hmm
[15:59] <mnemoc> joaopinto: 2.6.24-21-generic oh
[15:59] <joaopinto> mnemoc, you got into the same issue, that is the hardy's kernel
[15:59] <faileas> yup
[15:59] <testerle> nekostar, i can become root and can use the full power of command line... ok, how to get back the kde or gnome login-screen?
[15:59] <joaopinto> mnemoc, did you upgrade using a CD, or dist-upgrade ?
[15:59] <nekostar> ok
[16:00] <nekostar> testerle i take it you installed kde first right?
[16:00] <scientus> i keep setting up my network connection to a static ip but it keeps resetting to automatic
[16:00] <testerle> he asks for the "greeter widget plugiN" which is not loaded"
[16:00] <nekostar> so reinstall kdm
[16:00] <testerle> no, GNOME first, the KDE
[16:00] <testerle> sudo apt-get install kdm?
[16:00] <nekostar> ok then apt-get remove kdm  && apt-get -reinstall gdm
[16:01] <nekostar> let me know if it trys to take a $#%Y^T%# on the kdm
[16:01] <mndo> joaopinto, Linux orbiting 2.6.24-21-generic #1 SMP Mon Aug 25 17:32:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:02] <testerle> ok, i will try it! many thanks, if it works i will be back and let you know.. bye
[16:02] <mndo> joaopinto, any special reason for asking?
[16:02] <mnemoc> joaopinto: dist-upgrade
[16:02] <joaopinto> mndo, sorry, I was helping mnemoc :P mis nick completation
[16:02] <mndo> joaopinto, ho, no problem :)
[16:02] <mnemoc> joaopinto: update-manager -d to be precise
[16:03] <theBishop> hey, just popping in to say Firefox has gotten more stable for me.  it was basically unusable after an update a week ago
[16:04] <joaopinto> mnemoc, either you file a new bug report, or you describe your install case on mine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/287747
[16:04] <theBishop> it still crashes, but after an update yesterday, it's not as terrible
[16:04] <joaopinto> mnemoc, and you can "fix" your system from the livecd
[16:04] <mnemoc> joaopinto: I don'T have an optical device
[16:04] <joaopinto> you will need to remove/install the kernel
[16:05] <joaopinto> mnemoc, hum, i don't remember if the kernel image package is kept on /var, after a dist-upgrade
[16:06] <joaopinto> mnemoc, probably manually installing the kernel image from /var/cache/apt/archives will do
[16:06]  * mnemoc looks
[16:06] <joaopinto> you need the 2.6.27-7 kernel image
[16:07] <joaopinto> on my case it was installed, but not listed on grub, so I decided to remove/install it
[16:07] <joaopinto> check that it is list as found on grub during the package install
[16:09] <mnemoc> joaopinto: /boot has only 2.6.24 files... how can I force it's update?
[16:09] <joaopinto> mndo, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.27
[16:09] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: use intrepid sources
[16:09] <joaopinto> erm, sorry again, was mnemoc
[16:09] <mnemoc> poor mndo
[16:10] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, its a bug with the installer, he has the proper sources
[16:10] <Woody86> My monitor isn't displaying the correct resolution for my monitor, can anyone help me out?
[16:10] <joaopinto> erm, I mean, with the upgrade process, not the installer
[16:10] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: I only have intrepdi lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:10] <gnomefreak> and update tells you there is no updates?
[16:10] <gnomefreak> update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[16:11] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, please check bug 287474, its the same problem, but a different install/upgrade scenario
[16:11] <joaopinto> ops, sorry not this one
[16:11] <gnomefreak> i hope not
[16:11] <mnemoc> *G*
[16:11] <joaopinto> bug 287747
[16:11] <joaopinto> :P
[16:11] <joaopinto> grrr
[16:12] <gnomefreak> is it during upgrade or install?
[16:13] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, on my case, was install into an existing partition, on mnemoc case is an upgrade, but the result is the same
[16:13] <Alatius> Heya, I'm testing Kubuntu 8.10, but I wonder if Adept is working as intended...
[16:14] <Alatius> Problem is, when I search for packages, I get very few hits. "Firefox" gives zero hits, for example...
[16:14] <Alatius> Maybe I don't understand how Adept works simply?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: what happens if you update grub?
[16:15] <joaopinto> Alatius, have you checked that you have your software sources enabled ?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: what are the grub settings you have and are you using grub-2?
[16:15] <free-radical> Hey guys. I just wanted to test the new beta release by calling "update-manager -d". The problem is, that i accidently closed the console and thereby killed the updater after about 30 minutes of updating packages.
[16:15] <mnemoc> /boot and  /lib/modules only have 2.6.24 files
[16:15] <mndo> joaopinto, nopes.. this is my workhorse.. intrepid is on other partition :)
[16:16] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: did you try insttalling the kernel instead of upgrading?
[16:16] <free-radical> is it enough to reinitiate the package updates? or makes the release-updater something magic after package update?
[16:16] <joaopinto> mnemoc, so your case is different, I had 2.6.27 modules
[16:16] <free-radical> does anybody know that? would be nice...
[16:16] <Alatius> joaopinto, I added everything, basically. Multiverse, etc. No difference.
[16:16] <joaopinto> Alatius, ok, that's odd, but i am not a kubuntu user :\
[16:16] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: I'm doing aptitude dist-upgrade now, next will be aptitude install something
[16:17] <Tominator> hi!
[16:18] <Tominator> I think about installing intrepid RC on my mashine when it releases... how stable will it be? does anyone know about it?
[16:18] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: before trying install run update-manager -d and see what it says. your problem as i understand it, ther eisnt a bug filed on it so im thinking its a local issue, if nothing fixes it out of the 3 above commands file a bug on it. i have to run out for a while
[16:19] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: I can't `update-manager -d` as I'm kb/mouse-less .... I'm connected via ssh currently
[16:19] <Alatius> There is no Kubuntu beta test channel, is there?
[16:19] <bsnider> nope
[16:19] <mnemoc> #kubuntu-devel ?
[16:20] <gnomefreak> Alatius: #kubuntu-kde4
[16:20] <Alatius> Okie, thanks.
[16:20] <gnomefreak> ther eis also #kubuntu-testers i think
[16:20] <gnomefreak> cant remmber exact name of testing channel
[16:21] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: can I enable a VNC server or something like that so I can use ubuntu's graphical tools?
[16:21] <mnemoc> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-21-generic
[16:21] <joaopinto> mnemoc, I believe  do-release-upgrade is the text version for update-manager
[16:21] <mnemoc> ^--- after dist-upgrade :(
[16:21] <gnomefreak> not sure never tried fixing from a seoarate PC i fix on locale system
[16:22] <mnemoc> No new release found   :\
[16:22] <joaopinto> mndo,  dpkg -l linux-image*
[16:22] <joaopinto> erm, mnemoc
[16:22] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: please paste you /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:23] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: http://nopaste.com/p/aVjpXt1bkb
[16:24] <mnemoc> joaopinto: http://nopaste.com/p/adhr8QHcC
[16:24] <gnomefreak> im seeing way too many of same repo but wont cause what you are doing
[16:25] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: did you upgrade from gutsy to intrepid?
[16:25] <gnomefreak> as in skipping hardy
[16:25] <mnemoc> gutsy -> hardy -> intrepid
[16:26] <mnemoc> both at pre-rc stage
[16:26] <wolfie2x> I need help to report a intrepid bug.. need to know if anyone else has it or if it's already reported
[16:26] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: file a bug an attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade so we can see what is going on
[16:26] <gnomefreak> wolfie2x: search luanchpad for the bug
[16:26] <Woody86> My monitor isn't displaying the correct resolution for my monitor, can anyone help me out?
[16:27] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: tar.bz2 or raw?
[16:27] <wolfie2x> gnome: don't know what to search for
[16:27] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: raw there should be 3-4 files in that dir
[16:27] <wolfie2x> it's something to do with acpi i think
[16:28] <mnemoc> gnomefreak: ubiquity?
[16:28] <gnomefreak> wolfie2x: off hand dont remember but did you try disabling it/enabling it depending on what is set now
[16:28] <mnemoc> (whatever that is)
[16:28] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: no you didnt install it
[16:28] <gnomefreak> mnemoc: update-manager
[16:29] <shirish> hi all, I ran this command sudo ls -l .* |more >> ll.txt
[16:29] <wolfie2x> when i run xev, then press Fn+F3 (for battery) I see a loop of KeyPressed and KeyReleased.. takes 100% cpu
[16:29] <shirish> why does it show this ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied
[16:29] <gnomefreak> why are you using sudo?
[16:29] <gnomefreak> ls doesnt6 need sudo
[16:30] <shirish> gnomefreak: I tried first without sudo, it gave permission denied before
[16:30] <gnomefreak> shirish: it works for me
[16:30] <gnomefreak> last line being
[16:31] <gnomefreak> .xine:
[16:31] <gnomefreak> total 24
[16:31] <gnomefreak> -rw-r--r-- 1 gnomefreak gnomefreak 23903 Oct 23 08:22 catalog.cache
[16:31] <gnomefreak> too much to paste at this time
[16:31] <shirish> gnomefreak: it tells me here (without sudo) ls: cannot open directory .dbus: Permission denied
[16:31] <gnomefreak> all of it
[16:31] <wolfie2x> the main problem is the brightness on-screen-display goes to max/min with a single key press.. just like the previous loop
[16:31] <shirish> gnomefreak: right, so why is it showing me what its showing?
[16:31] <gnomefreak> shirish: running in what dir? although ls should never need sudo
[16:32] <shirish> gnomefreak: my home dir /home/shirish
[16:32] <gnomefreak> did gvsf crash?
[16:32] <shirish> gnomefreak: how can I know if gvfs crashed or not?
[16:32] <gnomefreak> shirish: try /var/crash
[16:33] <gnomefreak> shirish: would have crashed on start up (as per normal intrepid bug
[16:34] <shirish> gnomefreak: there is a kernel crash there from about a week back, an apt-listchanges crash and an xfce4-panel crash
[16:34] <wolfie2x> legend: u there?
[16:34] <zurn> anyone having a problem w/ a partial upgrade (running a 8.10 beta already, just trying to get update manager to upgrade some stuff )
[16:34] <shirish> gnomefreak: no crash by the name gvfs
[16:34] <gnomefreak> shirish: try restarting system
[16:34] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok will do that.
[16:35] <gnomefreak> ill be back later
[16:35] <shirish> gnomefreak: thank you for your help.
[16:35] <shirish> sure
[16:35] <gnomefreak> ;)
[16:35] <legend2440> wolfie2x: yes
[16:35] <wolfie2x> do u have any idea about the bug i'm describing?
[16:35] <zurn> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/language-pack-en/language-pack-en_8.10+20081011_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]" and 10-20 more packages...
[16:36] <wolfie2x> legend: problem is the brightness on-screen-display goes to max/min with a single key press
[16:36] <jStefan> zurn, try reloading the sources
[16:36] <wolfie2x> legend: like the keys are stuck
[16:36] <legend2440> wolfie2x: laptop?
[16:37] <wolfie2x> yep
[16:37] <zurn> jStefan: yea, doing that and unchecking all 3rd party seems to have fixed it...
[16:37] <legend2440> wolfie2x: which laptop? make and model?
[16:37] <wolfie2x> legend: Fn+Up/Down key for brightness
[16:37] <wolfie2x> DELL Inspiron 9400
[16:37] <mnemoc> gnomefreak!!! :(
[16:38] <wolfie2x> legend: I think there's a bug with the way the key press/release is handled
[16:38] <zurn> wolfie2x: the brightness is broken for me too for a dell inspiron 1150, the makes it brighter and dimmer, but then screws other things up and i have to reboot (the pop-up slider) never shows any progress
[16:39] <mnemoc> joaopinto: what are the packages (kernel) I have to install?
[16:39] <wolfie2x> zurn: does a single key press takes it all the way to min/max ?
[16:39] <mnemoc> joaopinto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/288193
[16:40] <joaopinto> mnemoc, linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[16:41] <wolfie2x> zurn: yes it screws everything for me too.. but a logout and login is enough for me.. have u tried it?
[16:41] <siriusnova> anyone here notice a bug with 64 bit and suspend?
[16:41] <mnemoc> joaopinto: just that one? what about the modules, etc?
[16:42] <siriusnova> esp if you are on a SATA equipped laptop?
[16:42] <zurn> wolfie2x: no, it still has the 5-6 steps, but afterwards menus stop working (e.g. applications / places / system) i can click on it all day and nothing happens,
[16:42] <zurn> wolfie2x: i just have to let my laptop sit for 30min till it wants to respond / update the screen again so i can shutdown, keyboard shortcuts fail to work also
[16:43] <histo> admin_masu3701: why did you try to install automatix in the first place?
[16:43] <zurn> wolfie2x: first time it happened i ctrl+alt+del and had a problem w/ permissions on a file, had to reinstall anyway (sound problems) so i just decided not to adjust the brightness till the final of 8.10 and see if they had fixed it
[16:43] <legend2440> wolfie2x: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/74284
[16:43] <histo> admin_masu3701: what piece of software did you need.
[16:43] <admin_masu3701> histo: i dont even know
[16:44] <histo> admin_masu3701: yeah don't use it. especially since its not even for the version of ubuntu you are using. Did you get everything working now?
[16:44] <admin_masu3701> histo: but it works fun now...I deleted all those automatix in the sources.list
[16:44] <histo> admin_masu3701: k. Hopefully you didn't install to much with automatix to break the system.
[16:45] <admin_masu3701> histo: can that happen?
[16:45] <histo> admin_masu3701: yes you could possibly have outdated and unsupported packages installed from automatix.
[16:46] <admin_masu3701> histo: I mean the apt-get update used to work before..but just stop like 2 days ago..returning that automatix error mesage
[16:46] <histo> admin_masu3701: probably because their site went away
[16:47] <wolfie2x> legend: thx but I dont think that's my bug.. there's nothing wrong with the actual brightness.. I can set it from Power Manager
[16:47] <wolfie2x> legend: or   sudo /usr/bin/acpi_fakekey 224
[16:47] <wolfie2x> legend: the problem is with the key presses..
[16:48] <admin_masu3701> histo: hope it dont brake my system
[16:48] <wolfie2x> legend: keys seem to go into a tight loop of KeyPress/KeyRelease as per xev
[16:49] <histo> admin_masu3701: Just write this down as a lesson in using 3rd party repos. You shouldn't do it.
[16:49] <admin_masu3701> histo: so shouldnt use automatix...got it
[16:50] <histo> admin_masu3701: yeap if you need help installing something that would have been in automatix just ask in here.
[16:51] <admin_masu3701> histo: i didnt even know what automatix was
[16:51] <alteregoa> how can i add a mirror drive for /root on ssh? without rebooting?
[16:52] <histo> admin_masu3701: it was a collection of scripts that made installing certain things like video drivers codecs etc.. easier. But now there are better ways of doing that built right in to ubuntu.
[16:52] <histo> alteregoa: what are you trying to do?
[16:52] <admin_masu3701> histo: ok
[16:53] <admin_masu3701> histo: I am new to linux...but i learned alot so far...i really like it
[16:54] <alteregoa> i try to mirror the system drive
[16:54] <alteregoa> because im afraid of a hd crash
[16:54] <alteregoa> i got 10 drives installed on this system, 4 are reserved and 2 are free for this
[16:55] <alteregoa> but the drives are not equal size
[16:55] <alteregoa> except the raid5 array
[16:55] <legend2440> wolfie2x: when you press the Fn keys for brightness is there supposed to be an On Screen Display(OSD) that is supposed to pop up to graphically show brightness going up or down?  is it popping up?
[16:55] <wolfie2x> legend: yes it does
[16:56] <wolfie2x> legend: problem is if I press a brighness up key only once, it keeps increasing until it hit max
[16:56] <alteregoa> now linux runs on a 20gb hd, and i want it to mirror to an 80gb hd,
[16:57] <wolfie2x> legend: just like if the key got stuck
[16:57] <wftl> How does one set up dialup networking in Ibex?
[16:57] <alteregoa> with 2003 it was a single click, i hope it is not that complicated with linux
[16:57] <wftl> My packages are up to date, but I can't see it anywhere.
[16:58] <wftl> I can't believe that Ubuntu has totally given up on modem connections. iahs
[16:59] <wolfie2x> legend:  i have added some input to a similar bug here:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/272292/comments/13
[16:59] <alteregoa> wftp. pppconfig
[16:59] <alteregoa> err wftl
[17:00] <wftl> So, nothing for the newbies running from the live CD?
[17:00] <sooth> Anybody have gtk-gnutella working?
[17:01] <wftl> Seems hard to believe that new users should be told to go command line with all the emphasis on 'friendly'.
[17:01] <alteregoa> its not final right now
[17:01] <wftl> Okay. Not many days left. [ insert appropriate smiley here ]
[17:02] <alteregoa> whatever pppconfig is easy
[17:03] <legend2440> wolfie2x: well intrepid isn't final until Oct 30  maybe it will be sorted out
[17:03] <alteregoa> wftl:  gnome-ppp maybe
[17:03] <wolfie2x> legend: yeah i hope so too.. it's only a week to go
[17:04] <alteregoa> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-ppp
[17:05] <wolfie2x> i'm going to do a update now.. i'll be back if it doesn't totally screw me.. :)
[17:06] <legend2440> wolfie2x: have you tried adding     blacklist video in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to see if it helps?
[17:06] <wolfie2x> legend: I'll try that now..
[17:07] <shirish> does anybody why  sudo  ls -l .* >> ll.txt shows the following :-
[17:07] <shirish> ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied
[17:07] <legend2440> wolfie2x: probably have to restart x for it to take effect
[17:07] <shirish> there is no way also to view this .gvfs directory
[17:08] <wolfie2x> legend: btw have u noticed that updating via update manager takes 100% cpu even when it's downloading? weird..
[17:09] <wolfie2x> legend: command line update doesn't take cpu at all..
[17:09] <wolfie2x> legend: a known bug?
[17:10] <legend2440> wolfie2x: i don't know. i'm not going to try intrepid until final is released
[17:10] <wolfie2x> legend: :-O
[17:11] <wolfie2x> legend: why not?
[17:11] <legend2440> wolfie2x: i upgraded to intrepid a while back  but went back to hardy
[17:12] <legend2440> wolfie2x: i had some issues but i cant remember what they were now
[17:12] <wolfie2x> legend: was it that bad? other than a few hickups it's been generally good to me..
[17:12] <legend2440> wolfie2x: did you do clean install or upgrade?
[17:13] <wolfie2x> upgraded
[17:13] <mnemoc> what's xorg package to handle usb keyboard and mouse?
[17:13] <legend2440> wolfie2x: yes thats what i did. i think i'll do clean install when intrepid is final
[17:13] <wolfie2x> legend: hibernate seems to finally work.. never worked for me on hardy
[17:14] <wolfie2x> legend: do u think one day they'll make ubuntu boot in 15mins?
[17:15] <wolfie2x> sorry 15secs
[17:15] <FFForever> Good morning people :)
[17:15] <wolfie2x> it takes a good 40secs on my laptop
[17:16] <legend2440> wolfie2x: i have ati radeon video card with fglrx drivers but i dont think there are fglrx drivers yet for intrepid. that was biggest problem i had
[17:16] <FFForever> my system is fully updated but i am still having the bootup stalling problem where you have to hold a key for a few secs to make it finish.... how can i fix this?
[17:16] <wolfie2x> legend: yeah video is always a pain.. I just have intel onboard.. it works
[17:17] <wolfie2x> legend: I think nvidia drivers had probs even on hardy
[17:17] <FFForever> wolfie2x, hardy is awesome with nvidia....
[17:17] <FFForever> 8.10 hates me with it lol
[17:18] <wolfie2x> really? didn't it have some bugs that nvidia never fixed?
[17:18] <legend2440> wolfie2x: yea well ati is a pain on all of them
[17:18] <FFForever> all video is a bloody pita :)
[17:18] <FFForever> there we go problem solved :D
[17:18] <FFForever> get mac XD
[17:19] <wolfie2x> :D
[17:19] <eds> Can anyone tell me if kdebase-kio-plugins is not available in 8.10 or what its replacement might be?
[17:19] <FFForever> anyways can someone help me with my boot stalling problem?, when i boot i have to hold a key (any of them even the power button works :D) for a few secs then it boots fine....
[17:19] <kiagage> are those RC images that are meant official release for today?
[17:20] <wolfie2x> what do u guys think about having two different desktops gnome and kde?
[17:20] <Stev> FFForever, i saw a bug about it... wait a sec
[17:20] <FFForever> wolfie2x, xfce FTW!
[17:20] <legend2440> FFForever: have you tried booting in Recovery mode so you can see text. maybe that will show where its stalling
[17:20] <kiagage> KDE4 seems to be quite more refined for me, this comming from a gnome user
[17:20] <FFForever> stev ive been searching google but cant quiet find anything that describes mine
[17:21] <wolfie2x> i am on gnome and i have to use kdevelop
[17:21] <faileas> wolfie2x: personally i try them then settle down to one ;p
[17:21] <FFForever> legend2440, never thought about that gimmie about 5mins and ill try :)
[17:21] <faileas> wolfie2x: you can use KDE apps on gnome without a full kde desktop
[17:21] <FFForever> wolfie2x, i use kdevelop (but i prefer kate :D)
[17:22] <wolfie2x> kiagege: really? I wanted to switch to kde but after trying a 8.10 kubuntu alpha it felt like a fancy protype
[17:22] <FFForever> kate is awesome :D
[17:22] <wolfie2x> prototype
[17:22] <rom1v> hi
[17:22] <rom1v> in intrepid, when I press "printscreen", it takes about 5 seconds to open the window to save the png file
[17:22] <rom1v> is it normal?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> wolfie2x: just install kdevelop in gnome, unless you like kde
[17:22] <wolfie2x> I'm spoilt by MS VS + VisualAssist auto complete
[17:22] <faileas> lol
[17:22] <wolfie2x> so the closest is kdevelop
[17:23] <FFForever> lol
[17:23] <kiagage> wolfire2x: i am using opensuse 11 for kde 4
[17:23] <wolfie2x> charlie: yeah that's what i have done.. it looks horrible on gnome though
[17:23] <FFForever> how come there are no more cartoons in the morning for kids lol
[17:23] <charlie-tca> :(
[17:23] <Stev> FFForever, take a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272247
[17:24] <FFForever> (on public tv...)
[17:24] <wolfie2x> kiage: yeah I tried that too.. the biggest turn off was the plasmoids popping up a toolbar evrytime the mouse moves over
[17:24] <Stev> why Undecided, Invalid?? it's actually medium,triaged
[17:25] <FFForever> stev i have the same chipset....
[17:25] <FFForever> :'(
[17:25] <Stev> try the suggested workaround
[17:25] <Stev> FFForever, boot with nolapic kernel option
[17:26] <FFForever> stev same thing happens :P
[17:26] <FFForever> i had to do that to get into my system to get nvidia installed....
[17:26] <wolfie2x> as a user switched from windows, I really think kde and gnome should just work together without duplicating the total universe of apps
[17:27] <wolfie2x> waste of dev time effort
[17:27] <FFForever> wolfie2x, it will always be different they are based on 2 different frame works
[17:27] <wolfie2x> ii know.. that's what i'm saying
[17:28] <wolfie2x> why 2 frameworks
[17:28] <TheInfinity> wolfie2x: because linux != windows
[17:28] <kiagage> people want to do things their way
[17:28] <TheInfinity> linux = lots of choice
[17:28] <FFForever> because they each think theres is better + its the oss way
[17:28] <wolfie2x> end user is not worried about the engine under the hood
[17:28] <kiagage> same reason there a shitloads of distros
[17:28] <FFForever> you don't use others code you look at it again and again then you rewrite it :)
[17:28] <wolfie2x> :)
[17:29] <wolfie2x> gnome doesn't have a decent video editor
[17:29] <wolfie2x> kde's editor is buggy as hell
[17:29] <FFForever> please rephrase it like this linux has no good video editors :)
[17:29] <wolfie2x> it crashes every other mouse click
[17:29] <TheInfinity> wolfie2x: see it in a positive way - creative + chaos + open source = many options (and some disadvantages) ;)
[17:29] <kiagage> wolfie2x: don't forget many apps are written on free time, most devs and coders/programmers dont get paid for what they do.
[17:29] <faileas> wolfie2x: there's a lot more frameworks in windows, you just don't notice it ;p
[17:29] <FFForever> but hell its free so don't wine :)
[17:30] <sooth> Anybody have gtk-gnutella working on Intrepid?
[17:30] <FFForever> hehe no pun intended..... lol....
[17:30] <wolfie2x> kiage: i appreciate the time effort they put in
[17:30] <TheInfinity> wolfie2x: and if you want a stable framework etc - use os-x - thats why i switched to os-x on desktop ...
[17:31] <TheInfinity> but not without ubuntu in vms ;)
[17:31] <FFForever> why did you guys switch to ubuntu?, i switched because i was tired of an 8year old os and wanted to upgrade but well vista came and yeah we all know about vista....
[17:31] <wolfie2x> faileas: but they all earn out of them.. why waste our precious oss dev time
[17:31] <theBishop> yikes.   Firefox is more stable, but now when it crashes, it takes the whole desktop with it
[17:31] <FFForever> lol theBishop
[17:32] <theBishop> it seems to be related to the drop down when you're typing in a URL
[17:32] <kiagage> FFForever: i switched because ubuntu's got the easy installs of .debs, I'd use debian but their community isnt like ubuntu's.
[17:32] <wolfie2x> Infinity: nah.. with all the bugs.. I still love linux too much to switch
[17:32] <charlie-tca> FFForever: I switched because IBM quit supporting OS/2 for consumers
[17:33] <wolfie2x> Bishop: have u tried ff 3.1? it's pretty good
[17:33] <theBishop> wolfie2x, is that going to be in intrepid
[17:33] <theBishop> ?
[17:33] <kiagage> ff 3.1 got a werid font problem for me , like they are blurry
[17:34] <wolfie2x> it's not yet in intrepid..
[17:34] <faileas> wolfie2x: eh.my windows boxen are filled with FOSS software ;p
[17:34] <wolfie2x> I installed it from the site.. (yeah yeah i know i'm not supposed to)
[17:34] <theBishop> wolfie2x, as much as i'd like a stable computer... i'm also trying to provide feedback for ubuntu+1
[17:36] <wolfie2x> the fonts on my ff 3.1 looks pretty ugly too.. anybody know how to make them better
[17:36] <wolfie2x> they look pixelated.. just like my kdevelop on gnome
[17:37] <wolfie2x> btw have u guys tried OO 3.0? it's much faster to start than OO 2.4 and really good
[17:37] <kiagage> I think it's actually within firefox, think they are testing some new font engine
[17:37] <nekostar> well
[17:37] <nekostar> this seems quite nice
[17:37] <wolfie2x> kiage: but why does it kdevelop look exactly the same?
[17:38] <FFForever> Stev, do u know if there is any known fix for my problem?
[17:38] <nekostar> ii  firefox-3.0                                3.0.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2                             safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[17:38] <prometoys> hi, i will update to interdip for testing and preview. is there any drawback or something I must care off?
[17:38] <nekostar> oohh wolfie2x u meant openoffice? hm not yet
[17:39] <Stev> FFForever, no sorry, i just saw that bug.. i'll try the workarounds in the bug report
[17:39] <wolfie2x> yep openoffice
[17:39] <kiagage> wolfie2x: i have no clue all i recall reading some font engine in the release log and assumed that.
[17:39] <Stev> FFForever, ah it's actualy milestoned for 8.10 final release.. hope it get fixed in time
[17:40] <FFForever> yeah
[17:40] <FFForever> ...
[17:44] <Stev> Is intepid going to be released with a new theme? Where to find info about?
[17:44] <kiagage> dark room
[17:45] <kiagage> is the new theme
[17:45] <kiagage> http://lifehacker.com/5064515/ubuntu-810-gets-optional-darkroom-theme
[17:45] <Stev> tnx
[17:46] <FFForever> anyone know a good gmail notifyer?, (that works with google apps (gmail for your domain))
[17:47] <Stev> FFForever, try cgmail
[17:47] <kiagage> so uh the RC isnt out yet for today right? sorry if that's been asked non stop
[17:48] <DG19075> anyone know if the new OpenOffice version will be part of the final release?
[17:48] <kiagage> DG: nope
[17:48] <joaopinto> FFForever, any imap capable notified will do
[17:48] <kiagage> feature freeze stopped it from making the list
[17:48] <Stev> FFForever, do not know what you mean for "that works with google apps", cgmail works nice for gmail accounts...
[17:48] <joaopinto> erm, notifier
[17:49] <FFForever> stev google.com/a
[17:50] <Stev> FFForever, i think you get a standard mail notifier
[17:51] <Stev> FFForever, i guess you can access your mail via pop/imap
[17:51]  * ethana2 is eagerly awaiting the rc
[17:52] <kiagage> arent we all...
[17:52] <ethana2> question: when you install intrepid in a dual boot with hardy
[17:52] <ethana2> does it look at the /actual available kernels/ to make boot loader entries for hardy?
[17:53] <Scorcher> What is the relase date?  the 24th?
[17:53] <kiagage> today
[17:53] <kiagage> the 23rd
[17:53]  * ethana2 assumes yes
[17:53] <Scorcher> so its in the distro?
[17:54] <Stev> which time is used by ubuntu team? cest?
[17:55] <Scorcher> the new new version on the update manager stuff yet?
[17:56] <joaopinto> Scorcher, if you are using intrepid already, you are using the RC
[17:56] <kiagage> i dunno im waiting for the iso for a fresh install
[17:56] <joaopinto> if you are not, the update will not become before available before the final
[17:57] <kiagage> ubuntu;s time is BST on their mailing lists
[18:01] <Stev> So it should be due in 6 hours :P
[18:02] <kiagage> 7:00pm in est ohh...:(
[18:02] <joaopinto> highvoltage, a bug has been already reported about a problem after upgrading, the new kernel was not installed
[18:02] <joaopinto> please check your uname -a
[18:03] <joaopinto> you should have 2.6.27-7-generic
[18:03] <highvoltage> joaopinto: ah, thanks, I'll check that out right now
[18:03] <joaopinto> and eventually, you still have the one from hardy
[18:03] <highvoltage> joaopinto: I think I held my kernel because of certain modules on at least the one pc, so that's probably why
[18:03] <kiagage> err 5:00pm in est whoops...
[18:03] <joaopinto> forcing the new kernel to be installed should fix it
[18:04] <Scorcher> when is the final release
[18:04] <kiagage> 30th of OCT
[18:06] <bsnider> why does everything launch so fast if i use gnome-do?
[18:07] <ethana2> ..I hope the rc has a working ps3 port
[18:08] <falstaff> hello
[18:08] <ethana2> i hear a some recent version of X really screwed us over and someone's doing a git bisect on it to figure out why
[18:08] <falstaff> is there a problem with x and keyboard/mouse locks in latest daily build (20081022)?
[18:08] <Dreaman> video driver 96 nvidia mx440 work in realise candidate ?
[18:09] <bsnider> Dreaman, no it does not
[18:09] <Dreaman> ok
[18:09] <joaopinto> ethana2, a bug has been already reported about a problem after upgrading, the new kernel was not installed
[18:09] <joaopinto> check your uname -a
[18:10] <joaopinto> i mean it could be related, if you mean, they dont work at all :P
[18:10] <joaopinto> not random locking
[18:11] <knittl> hello. is there any workaround for the »gnome-sessions are broken« problem?
[18:11] <ethana2> joaopinto: i don't think you meant to say that at me
[18:11] <falstaff> So, no x locks for you lately?
[18:12] <joaopinto> erm, it was for falstaff
[18:12] <joaopinto> :P
[18:12] <joaopinto> sorry
[18:13] <falstaff> joaopinto, i did a fresh install from latest daily
[18:13] <falstaff> joaopinto, so its not related to this upgrade bug...
[18:13] <piquadrat> Hi! Since two or three days, the kernel begins throwing exceptions (example: http://dpaste.com/86376/) at a staggering pace, filling my /var-partition with logs. At the same time, both dd and klogd run at 100% load. Is this a known bug?
[18:13] <joaopinto> ok
[18:14] <falstaff> i just cant time anything... GDM shows me the login screen, but i cant do anything, with keyboard and mouse
[18:14] <falstaff> s/time/type
[18:15] <joaopinto> falstaff, can you CTRL-ALT-F1 ?
[18:15] <falstaff> joaopinto, yes console works, and keyboard works there too
[18:15] <joaopinto> hum, it stills seems to be related to the kernel modules not beeing propely loaded
[18:16] <falstaff> joaopinto, hmm
[18:16] <joaopinto> can you check the kernel version with uname -a ?
[18:16] <falstaff> joaopinto, i have to say that i had to start ubuntu with no-acpi, i use the newest hp laptop (EliteBook 8530w) which seems to have an acpi bug
[18:17] <falstaff> joaopinto, im under windows atm, could not configure wlan in console...
[18:17] <joaopinto> I am just hinting to the kernel, because since yesterday we had 2 cases of kbd and mouse not responding on X, both were related to the wrong kernel
[18:18] <joaopinto> on my case it was also  a fresh install, but not formatting the existing / partition
[18:18] <falstaff> joaopinto, hm okey... so there was a new kernel release lately
[18:18] <falstaff> ?
[18:19] <joaopinto> falstaff, not, but on this cases, the hardy kernel from the previous install was kept, and the new kernel was not installed
[18:19] <joaopinto> I mean, new as in, for Intrepid
[18:19] <falstaff> joaopinto, its a new laptop, i unpacked it today... so there was never an hardy nor an old ibex installation on it...
[18:20] <joaopinto> ok, so it must be a different problem :\
[18:20] <falstaff> i think so too yes... what do you think, can it be a problem that i used no-acpi?
[18:21] <falstaff> is there any obviously connection between acpi <-> keyboard/mouse <-> x?
[18:22] <joaopinto> no idea, give a look into /var/log/messages , it may provide you a hint
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, hm i gona try this... whats messages? I looked inside Xorg.0.log, but nothing interessting there....
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, who generates this messages?
[18:23] <joaopinto> error related to modules loading
[18:23] <joaopinto> falstaff, the kernel
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, ah ok
[18:24] <falstaff> joaopinto, something which is strange in x is: The only keycombination which works is Alt+F4.... this closes the x server
[18:24] <falstaff> joaopinto, i think this combination is somehow registred on terminal level, but the x server cant catch any keyboard input..
[18:25] <joaopinto> I had the same symptom with the missing kernel modules
[18:25] <falstaff> hm okey, seems really to be a problem of kernel modules loading...
[18:25] <joaopinto> and I couldn't config network either, since the network modules were not loaded
[18:26] <falstaff> which modules where involved?
[18:26] <[diablo]> yo
[18:26] <[diablo]> good evening
[18:26] <nikolam> Ok, this Thunar on 8.10 amd64 works like dead rabbit. until you kill gam_server..
[18:27] <joaopinto> I have no idea, you can run a : sudo depmod -a
[18:27] <joaopinto> if you have an modules related problem, it will most likely be reported during depmod
[18:27] <falstaff> joaopinto, ok thanks
[18:28] <zeco> hi guys, any word when the ibex RC is to be released? Roadmap says it's due today
[18:28] <falstaff> joaopinto, i gona try...
[18:30] <delight> zeco: the day isn't over yet ;)
[18:30] <knittl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-session can't be true xD see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/249373
[18:31] <knittl> it doesn't save anything
[18:31] <knittl> anybody experiencing similar problems?
[18:31] <nikolam> To me it seems that 8.10 does not include bugfixes from 8.04..
[18:32] <ethana2> nikolam: uhh...  i'm pretty sure fixes go upstream
[18:32] <ethana2> which we then re-pull
[18:32] <ethana2> ...new bugs and all
[18:33] <nikolam> hmm i am pretty shure i found 3-4 bugs in 8.10 i reported for 7.04.. i think..
[18:34] <joaopinto> nikolam, care to list them :) ?
[18:34] <ethana2> well so did i, but were they fixed in 7.04?
[18:34] <nikolam> oh, is this my favourite guy that mantains getdeb.net
[18:34] <nikolam> i am your biggest fan :)
[18:35] <ethana2> wait, what?
[18:35] <joaopinto> hi nikolam ;)
[18:35] <nikolam> On, just a sec
[18:35] <ethana2> oh, wow!
[18:35] <nikolam> :)))
[18:35] <ethana2> getdeb.net is amazing.
[18:35] <joaopinto> tks ethana2 :)
[18:36] <ethana2> ..i'd like community managed quick-response apt repositories..
[18:36] <nikolam> joaopinto, Take a look at our Loco: www.ubuntu-rs.org , www.ubuntu-rs.org/wiki , /forum etc :)
[18:36] <ethana2> i have to add apt from all these different projects out there 'cause backports takes a while...
[18:37] <zoran> nikolam: ok i will look :)
[18:37] <joaopinto> there are still problems on using apt for several updates per day, we are experiencing some of them with playdeb
[18:37] <joaopinto> brb
[18:38] <nikolam> yes, i noticed playdeb..
[18:38]  * DanaG wonders when nvidia will fix the damn 96 drivers...... dare I guess, never?
[18:38] <bsnider> never
[18:38] <bsnider> not ever
[18:39] <DanaG> Mmmyeah, nvidia is officially on my "shitlist", as I call it -- list of companies not to buy stuff from.
[18:39] <DanaG> Creative is the other.
[18:39] <nikolam> DanaG, like Ati was before, huh? ;)
[18:39] <DanaG> Actually, I never had ATI on such a list.
[18:40] <knittl> is there a way to fix gnome session saving? *bump* *bump*
[18:40] <DanaG> The last time I had ATI (with my 9800 Pro), was like 4 or 5 years ago.
[18:40] <zoran> knittl: im looking for that too,
[18:40] <DanaG> I wasn't Linux-savvy then.
[18:40] <knittl> zoran: great, now we are two :D
[18:43] <knittl> zoran: have you found anything good yet?
[18:43] <zoran> no, i m using kde :)
[18:43] <knittl> aww, bad (for me)
[18:43] <zoran> gnome not have that...
[18:43] <zoran> and that is ... pippp
[18:44] <knittl> well, it used to have it
[18:44] <knittl> it was still there in hardy
[18:44] <bsnider> DanaG, nvidia makes the best linux graphics driver for modern hardware
[18:46] <jemark> is intrepid RC out?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> yep jemark
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its out every single day
[18:46] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[18:46] <joaopinto> lol
[18:46] <zoran> RC, not testing?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its the same
[18:47] <BUGabundo>  !rc
[18:47] <jemark> BUGabundo: serieusly?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> hooo some one needs to update that one
[18:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:47] <bsnider> BUGabundo, thank you for making that point. i'm trying ont he "brainstorm" site to get them to drop these useless "alpha/beta" releases for just this reason
[18:47] <jemark> gutsy?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> why wouldn't it be jemark?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> NOOOOOOOOO bsnider
[18:47] <BUGabundo> I love to have dailies
[18:47] <jemark> BUGabundo: how is the current intrepid?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> that I can rsync and test fixs
[18:48] <BUGabundo> quite nice
[18:48] <BUGabundo> a few bugs, but for the most part
[18:48] <BUGabundo> much better then previous releases
[18:48] <BUGabundo> hi dholbert
[18:48] <LARefugee> howdy. Anyone have their bluetooth headset working with intrepid?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> you are visiting us from Mozilla? how nice
[18:49] <jemark> BUGabundo: how do I update again with the update manager?
[18:49] <td123> jemark: testing it yourself will give you a better answer for your specific computer :P
[18:49] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: the new BT stack doesn't support audio
[18:49] <jemark> BUGabundo: from Hardy?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> for the time beeing
[18:49] <td123> jemark: you have to add intrepid repos
[18:49] <BUGabundo> jemark: update-manager does the job. for upgrade from hardy you type "update-manager -d"
[18:49] <jemark> td123: no, not really a good idea... from the update manager...
[18:49] <BUGabundo> please read the release notes
[18:49] <BUGabundo>  !releasenotes
[18:49] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: why not?
[18:50] <jemark> BUGabundo: now I remember, thanks
[18:50] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: got a link that talks about this?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: let me get the email on devel discuss for that, ok ?
[18:51] <nikolam> joaopinto, Here is a list of long-time unresolved bugs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61620/
[18:51] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026637.html
[18:51] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: thx!
[18:51] <jemark> BUGabundo: I'm updatin now
[18:52] <BUGabundo> please read the release notes from the ubuntu website jemark
[18:52] <joaopinto> nikolam, you mentioned, fixed on earlier versions...
[18:52] <joaopinto> unresolved bugs are a different story :P
[18:52] <nikolam> joaopinto, hmm you are right, i`ll see to it
[18:52] <td123> jemark: are you using kde or gnome for intrepid?
[18:52] <nikolam> ;,
[18:54] <nikolam> joaopinto, oh yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunar/+bug/163587 does Not happen in 8.04.. .. i think.
[18:54] <Nakkel> Any ideas as to why programs forget their settings on Kubuntu/KDE4? Some wont hold settings at all, some after restarting the program and some forget after reboot.
[18:54] <BUGabundo> humm Nakkel that has been happening to me with Kmail
[18:55] <BUGabundo> although I use gnome
[18:55] <jemark> BUGabundo: it says now: Can't install 'ubuntu-desktop'
[18:55] <jemark> It was impossible to install a required package. Please report this as a bug
[18:55] <joaopinto> nikolam, that bug was not reported to be fixed
[18:55] <zeco> I guess you're gonna change the motd as soon as the RC is released, right? Don't wanna bug the release-page unnecessarily
[18:55] <joaopinto> nikolam, just because it was not experienced on your 8.04 config, it does not mean it was fixed ;)
[18:56] <BUGabundo> jemark: do you have any other apt running ?
[18:57] <Nakkel> BUGabundo: I have it on multiple programs. All Kontact apps (KMail, Akregtor etc.) Konqueror, System Settings (themes, colours, icons etc).... Really frustrating when I have to "rebuild" all settings on every systemstart.
[18:57] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: that link says only positive things about 4.x stack and headsets.
[18:57] <BUGabundo> I started using a bzr repo on my laptop to save my setting to prevent that from happening Nakkel
[18:57] <BUGabundo> yep..
[18:57] <BUGabundo> and it also mentions no alsa
[18:57] <jemark> BUGabundo: nope
[18:58] <BUGabundo> ok.. go look on LP, then jemark
[18:58] <BUGabundo> maybe it's a recent bug
[18:58] <BUGabundo> you are the 1st I see having it
[18:58] <BUGabundo>  !lp
[18:58] <BUGabundo> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[18:59] <jemark> BUGabundo: ok then.. do you have a link ;)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[18:59] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: it's funny that an aplay -Dplug:headset does produce a hissing sound in my headset but then it just hangs and eventually times out with an "unable to install hw params" message.
[18:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:59] <jemark> BUGabundo: umm... maybe bc i have some ppa repositories?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> nag the guy behing the new stacj
[18:59] <BUGabundo> *stack
[19:00] <BUGabundo> it can be jemark
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and other 3rd party apps.
[19:00] <BUGabundo> do a apt-get autoremove too
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and then comment those PPAs
[19:01] <jemark> BUGabundo: :( how am i going to update now?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> that should work
[19:02] <BUGabundo> I don't see anyone here having that prob
[19:02] <BUGabundo> maybe is a prob on your install
[19:02] <BUGabundo> even if so, file a bug, so the ppl in charge of the package can fix it
[19:05] <jemark> BUGabundo: autoremove doesn't remove anything :(
[19:06] <jemark> helo there!
[19:07] <BUGabundo> hi jemark eheh
[19:07] <ethana2> wait, daily .iso's have torrents?
[19:07] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:08] <jemark> hehehe! this is not mark
[19:08] <ethana2> oh.
[19:08] <BUGabundo> but its kinda stupid
[19:08] <jemark> this is his wife
[19:08] <zeco> where?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> I don't there will be many seeds
[19:08] <aatk> ;)
[19:08] <aatk> Sorry
[19:08] <ethana2> that changes EVERYTHING
[19:08] <jemark> mark is busy fixing my laptop
[19:08] <aatk> Right
[19:08] <BUGabundo> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ is 404 here
[19:08] <aatk> Time to learn perl
[19:09] <ethana2> wait, i don't see the torrents..
[19:09] <jemark> BUGabundo: where u from, by d way.
[19:09] <BUGabundo> PT
[19:10] <jemark> BUGabundo: u mean portugal?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:10] <BUGabundo> does http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ open for you guys?
[19:10] <ethana2> yep
[19:10] <jemark> BUGabundo: wow! portugal is a nice place!!!
[19:11] <BUGabundo> how come?
[19:11] <melkart> BUGabundo: yes
[19:11] <BUGabundo> darn... my univ is blocking the port then
[19:11] <ethana2> oh that sucks
[19:12] <ethana2> encrypt?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> can't even open the page lol
[19:12] <BUGabundo> I already have most of the isos
[19:12] <jemark> BUGabundo: sorry guys, got to leave this room coz im not good with electronics. i have nothing to ask and share with u.
[19:13] <BUGabundo> I use rsync from main to get them updated
[19:13] <BUGabundo> jemark: but you can always learn
[19:13] <BUGabundo> about how wonderfull FOSS is
[19:13] <jemark> BUGabundo: well, i wil just leave this kind of stuff to my husband.
[19:14] <jemark> BUGabundo: i have different expertise.
[19:15] <BUGabundo> humm a girl around
[19:15] <BUGabundo> there goes the abuse start... lol
[19:19] <jemark> BUGabundo: my husband mark is done fixing my PC. im doing something with open office. i opened d microsoft. he did something inorder for me to have access wid my documents saved in ubuntu while using microsoft.
[19:19] <BUGabundo> hum
[19:20] <jemark> BUGabundo: my husband is back in this room again
[19:20] <BUGabundo> just need to install OOo on Windows too
[19:20] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:20] <jemark> BUGabundo: that's what he did. its fine now
[19:20] <BUGabundo> or save your docs with a proprietary format like .doc or .xls and Microsoft Office suite should open them
[19:20] <faileas> jemark: or save everything as doc or xls
[19:21] <Wutz> "https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html" is this the final version of RC? or is it still a pre RC testing iso?
[19:21] <ethana2> testing
[19:21] <BUGabundo> Wutz: will have dailies until release
[19:21] <BUGabundo> no RC as a single ISO
[19:21] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[19:21] <faileas> BUGabundo: beat me to it ;p
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ejej
[19:22] <BUGabundo> typing as fast as I can
[19:22]  * ethana2 is paranoid about QA
[19:22] <Wutz> Oh ok, so its just a daily build for the soon to be RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> in a few minutes I'll go eat so you have the board, commander
[19:22] <faileas> ;p
[19:22] <jemark> BUGabundo: thats true but i wud prefer to use open office. im just openning microsoft now becaus mark have not yet updated my ulbuntu linux in my laptop. he is always busy updating his own laptop. the one im using at the moment.
[19:22] <BUGabundo> no Wutz
[19:22] <cwillu> openoffice seems to have lost ui font hinting recently, anyone else noticed this?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> no RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> every build IS a RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> nope cwillu
[19:22] <ethana2> heh
[19:23] <ethana2> ...but not the one with a gigantic swarm where I can get my ratio up to 10
[19:23] <Wutz> Hmm ok, will one of the RC builds be shown on Ubuntu.com/testing, thats what i originally meant
[19:23] <BUGabundo> jemark: just open update-manager
[19:23] <DanaG> argh, nv_bios doesn't fix suspend for me.
[19:23] <BUGabundo> it will do it for you
[19:23] <BUGabundo> you don't need anybody else
[19:24] <BUGabundo> as long as you have admin priv
[19:24] <BUGabundo> Wutz: daily builds show up on testing too
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.146937] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PROM
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.419587] ... BIOS signature not found
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.419665] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PRAMIN
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.475207] ... BIOS checksum invalid
[19:24] <mindstab_> ich habe gerade auf 8.10 geupgradet und bei der proprietären hardware kann ich einen atheros treiber auswählen, aber da steht schon es ist ein anderer in benutzung, wie schaff ich es den aktivieren zu können?
[19:24] <jemark> BUGabundo: the problem is... when it comes to electronics i always want my husband to do it for me.
[19:24] <mindstab_> oh sry
[19:24] <BUGabundo> lazu girl...
[19:25] <BUGabundo> hope you make up in bed...
[19:25] <mindstab_> i thought its a german channel
[19:25] <frank___> lol
[19:25]  * BUGabundo thinks lucky guy
[19:25] <knittl> mindstab_: nein, ist englisch xD
[19:25] <td123> BUGabundo: this is why girls don't come to this channel if they had the chance...
[19:25] <mindstab_> knittl, maybe u can help me anyway
[19:25] <jemark> BUGabundo: yes, i admit. im lazy when it comes PCs. but when other things im not ;-)
[19:26] <Wutz> One last question, did they change the theme at all since hardy?
[19:26] <knittl> i'm afraid i can't. i don't have much experience with that
[19:26] <td123> and jemark displayed classic signs of agreeing with ppl to shut them up :D
[19:26] <faileas> td123: donno, my ex was the one who got me into linux ;p
[19:26] <frank___> faileas: and you dumped her?! *G*
[19:26] <faileas> frank___: she switched to mac ;p (actually she dumped me)
[19:26] <ethana2> HAHA
[19:26] <BUGabundo> several times Wutz
[19:27] <faileas> then switched to mac, and decided she wanted a sex change...
[19:27] <frank___> faileas: ok - 2 good reasons not to be with her anymore ;p
[19:27] <BUGabundo> the entrire GTK engine changed a lot
[19:27] <Wutz> Oh, does it look better now?
[19:27] <td123> faileas: I'm sorry, I thought that the Linux girl dumped you, you didn't read the man pages on woman?
[19:27] <ethana2> why sex change, she's /already/ a girl
[19:27] <frank___> lol
[19:27] <faileas> ethana2: she wanted to be a guy ;p
[19:27]  * DanaG thinks it would be fun to have Ranma's curse.
[19:27] <td123> faileas: oh, so she liked girls :D
[19:27] <frank___> faileas: after being with you... would concern me a bit ;p
[19:27] <BUGabundo> ok guys
[19:27] <ethana2> it's funny, my mom is biased against mac users
[19:28] <BUGabundo> I shouldn't have started this
[19:28] <Novell> anyone got NFSv4 and krb5 working ? I'm getting "mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted" when trying to mount with -o sec=krb5
[19:28] <faileas> td123: wierdly no. she wanted to have a ... yanno
[19:28] <ethana2> i explained that its a decent OS, but she says most mac users she's seen are odd
[19:28] <BUGabundo> now, now girls WILL EVER come here again
[19:28] <BUGabundo> calm down guys
[19:28] <td123> faileas: a what?
[19:28] <faileas> weewee? ;p
[19:28] <ethana2> wait, you're serious?
[19:28] <ethana2> *headdesk*
[19:29] <td123> faileas: I don't understand your figurative language... what is a weewee? in the context you used it of course :P
[19:29] <faileas> ethana2: story of my life ;p
[19:29] <ethana2> that's horrible
[19:29] <faileas> td123: what a guy has and a girl dosen't
[19:29] <mindstab_> i just upgraded to 8.10 and i see an atheros driver in the hardware drivers list but i cant activate it because there is some other driver loaded how i can load the driver in the list?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> guys and girl(s) time for dinner before classes
[19:29] <BUGabundo> see you in a bit!
[19:29] <jemark> BUGabundo: bye guys... i have to do my own things as well. enjoy! ;-)
[19:29] <faileas> ethana2: she was kinda cute too. french girls seem to be trouble though ;p
[19:29] <BUGabundo> good bye nice girl jemark
[19:29] <ethana2> well, you know what they say
[19:29] <ethana2> Think Different
[19:30] <td123> faileas: ... lol I read that sentence differently that's why I was confused? I thought you meant 3ppl or something
[19:30] <jemark> thank u guys!
[19:30] <frank___> girls and irc harmonize as bad as girls+beer. the ones drinking it are in almost all cases as drunk as everyone else together. you just want to ignore and leave them ;p
[19:30] <faileas> frank___: depends on the place ;p
[19:31] <td123> faileas: where did you meet this french girl?
[19:32] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[19:32] <faileas> td123: wierdly enough...
[19:33] <faileas> IRC
[19:33] <faileas> twas one of those long simmering long distance relationships that went... kaboom ;p
[19:34] <mysticdarkhack> Anyone here know a way when I install intrepid and after install, booting up but end up in with a black screen on login screen.
[19:34] <mysticdarkhack> anyway to login in and enable the video drivver
[19:35] <mysticdarkhack> I have ati
[19:35] <mindstab_> blub
[19:35] <mysticdarkhack> anyone?
[19:35] <td123> faileas: what do you mean irc?
[19:35] <td123> faileas: you never met her?
[19:36] <faileas> td123: naw, i met her in person later on
[19:36] <faileas> but we first started talking on IRC ;p
[19:36] <td123> faileas: wow, to tell you the truth, I only like to meet in person :/
[19:37] <faileas> td123: well that happens eventually ;p
[19:38] <td123> so what is 9.04 going to include? since there are no (break through) features in this one :D
[19:38] <mysticdarkhack> anyway, seem like intrepid release candidate hasn't release yet
[19:38] <td123> mysticdarkhack: yes it has
[19:38] <td123> read the irc title
[19:40] <kane77> hi, I installed intrepid beta (from the cd available from ubuntu.com) and networking worked, but there was large number of updates and one of those updates borked NetworkManager, because now the icon don't show up in system tray. If I kill the process and start it again it does show, but if I open the connections window (Edit connections) there is connection ifupdown (eth0) for wired connection and I can't delete it..
[19:41] <mysticdarkhack> td123, really, I don't see it
[19:41] <mysticdarkhack> td123, where is it?
[19:41] <theBishop> they should've pushed for Firefox 3.1 before going to RC
[19:41] <theBishop> in my opinioin
[19:41] <kane77> and the whole networkmanager does not work so I have to kill it and run my config script (using plain ifconfig)
[19:41] <Turl> hi!
[19:42] <td123> mysticdarkhack: I quote the irc title: "Release Candidate images ready for testing - please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html"
[19:42] <Turl> I don't know why, but ubuntu doesn't load the "floppy" kernel module by default
[19:42] <mroc> hello.  back in hardy, i applied the "ugly fix" to the load/unload cycles hard drive problem and that worked well.  today, i just noticed that it seems to have reappeared.  i read a post that this had supposedly been "fixed" for intrepid.  has it already been applied, and thus "fixed"?  if i still need the ugly-fix, are there still 4 locations to copy the hdparm script to (and are they the same as posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805570 )?
[19:42] <Turl> it should load it though - and loading it manually makes my floppy drive start working
[19:42] <td123> Turl: thank god they finally stopped loading that :D none of my machines use it
[19:43] <Turl> td123, most machines here have those drives
[19:43] <td123> Turl: and I have machines from 1998
[19:43] <Turl> I think it's a must to load that, it's like not loading IDE controllers 'cause sata exists
[19:44] <td123> Turl: I just removed my floppy drives, took up power and I have everything on usb / cds
[19:46] <td123> Turl: that analogy is flawed, floppy drives are pretty much legacy now (nothing new uses it) yet ide drives are still being produced.. + they are hard drives so they need to support those for the long run...
[19:47] <td123> Turl: if ide gets phased out, then ide will most likely be not included by default
[19:48] <Turl> erm, no floppy = no USB boot, get it? :p you can't write boot disks, grub disks,...
[19:48] <td123> Turl: why not?
[19:49] <Turl> cause it's not available to the system...
[19:49] <td123> Turl: what's not available to the system?
[19:49] <swuboo> Floppy.
[19:49] <Turl> "there's no floppy" to GNOME etc...
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> anyone know why the I end up in blacksscreen when trying to install intrpid
[19:50] <mroc> any thoughts on my question about the hard drive load/unload cycles?
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> are they still having video issure or ati problem
[19:50] <td123> Turl: booting from cd doesn't depend on the floppy drive... am I understanding you correctly?
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[19:50] <Turl> mysticdarkhack, I heard you need to move your mouse, it's a screen problem possibly
[19:51] <Turl> td123, would you waste a CD for having a bootloader in order to boot from USB if your bios doesn't support it?
[19:52] <Turl> I personally wouldn't
[19:52] <mysticdarkhack> Turl, I did move my mouse but no resualt
[19:52] <td123> Turl: in those cases, burn it to a cd
[19:52] <Turl> mysticdarkhack, does the HDD light blink?
[19:52] <td123> Turl: plus, any bootable cd should do the trick
[19:53] <Turl> td123, I don't have cd burner, that's another problem
[19:53] <faileas> Turl: thats why i have CDRWs ;p
[19:53] <td123> Turl: ummm well then load the floppy module, sheesh
[19:53] <nekostar> ok
[19:53] <mysticdarkhack> Turl, it stop blink when it stop loading the iso
[19:53] <nekostar> yeah
[19:54] <nekostar> this is pretty sick...
[19:54] <nekostar> but the usb formatter tool didnt work
[19:54] <nekostar> when it was trying to install, it was looking for a cdrom...
[19:54] <nekostar> [and i was mounting as usbhdd]
[19:55] <jemark_> when i update via the update manager, do i need to deselect the unsupported updates in hardy? or just leave it selected?
[19:55] <Turl> I think it's the same, haven't tested tho
[19:56] <nekostar> jemark
[19:56] <nekostar> first just get it installed
[19:56] <jemark_> nekostar: yes?
[19:56] <nekostar> then clean up the repos
[19:56] <jemark_> nekostar:  just leave on the security repo on, that's all?
[19:56] <nekostar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61642/
[19:56] <nekostar> thats what i have
[19:56] <nekostar> feel free to use it
[19:57] <nekostar> i'm more interested in getting that usb key installer tool to work.
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> nevermind the rc hasn't release yet but only the note
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> blah
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[19:58] <jemark_> ok, i will update via the update manager now
[19:58] <mroc> back in hardy, i applied the "ugly fix" to the load/unload cycles hard drive problem and that worked well.  today, i just noticed that it seems to have reappeared.  i read a post that this had supposedly been "fixed" for intrepid.  has it already been applied, and thus "fixed"?  if i still need the ugly-fix, are there still 4 locations to copy the hdparm script to (and are they the same as posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805570 )?
[19:59] <jemark_> mroc: for me it still worked... i will see after the update...
[20:00] <mroc> jemark_: you're still running hardy though, right?
[20:00] <jemark_> mroc: yep... but i updated to intrepid before... maybe i didn't pay attention it too then :(
[20:01] <jemark_> mroc: yep... there is "fix" for it in intrepid, right?
[20:01] <mroc> jemark_: i may have missed it, but i hadn't noticed it until today.  and if i remember right, it couldn't have been this way for very long based on the total cycle count.
[20:02] <mroc> jemark_: well, supposedly, yes.  that's kind of what i was asking about since i seem to be seeing the problem again.
[20:02] <mroc> input from anyone else?
[20:03] <jemark_> mroc: i don't like the clicking noise from the hd :(
[20:03] <mroc> jemark_: if it was just the noise, i could live with it.  but since it's a direct effect on the projected lifetime of the drive...it's something that needs to stay fixed.
[20:05] <mroc> jemark_: the so called ugly fix (link is in my question) worked when i just applied it, but i wanted to know if the locations to install the script were still the same, if all 4 locations were needed, and if the fix that was supposed to show up in intrepid had already been applied.
[20:05] <jemark_> mroc: yes, i agree. i shortens the lifetime
[20:06] <jemark_> mroc: i had the fix in the same locations as in hardy
[20:07] <mroc> jemark_: i upgraded from hardy to intrepid around alpha 6 or so.  as far as i know, the fix was still applied properly.  it's just today that i noticed it again.
[20:07] <graft> howdy, where do i find desktop effects configuration?
[20:08] <mroc> graft: you mean beyond the three options in the effects tab of the appearance window?
[20:08] <jemark_> mroc: oh I see... i suggest to look for the fix for intrepid. i think, that i saw a new feature in intrepid "mobile mode"
[20:08] <graft> mroc: no, i mean for fine-tuning compiz
[20:09] <mroc> jemark_: i'll take a look.  you have a link by any chance?
[20:09] <jemark_> im looking for it now :)
[20:10] <mroc> graft: i've always used compizconfig-settings-manager.  might that be what you're looking for?
[20:10] <vaughn> Has anyone had errors with ipw2200 when installing the Intrepid beta?
[20:10] <jemark_> mroc: i think, this is it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/laptop-mode-tools
[20:10] <graft> mroc: yeah, i was just wondering why it wasn't in the gnome system of menus by default
[20:11] <graft> mroc: i mean i can run ccsm from the shell of course...
[20:11] <bsnider> the rc image done yet?
[20:11] <mroc> graft: i'm not sure why it's not default.  installing the compizconfig-settings-manager package should install a menu item.
[20:11] <graft> mroc: oh ah, so it does
[20:12] <Stev> hi, i've just read the last few lines
[20:13] <Stev> is the load cycle problem definitely fixed in intrepid?
[20:13] <mroc> jemark_: it doesn't sound like those tools address the hard drive parking issue.  can anyone else give more details about it?
[20:14] <mroc> Stev: well, it seems to have reappeared for me just in the past day or so.  i'm hoping someone with more knowledge of it could offer more information.
[20:15] <jemark_> what if you do hdparm -B -255 in your terminal?
[20:16] <vmelo> hello, anyone here got no partitions in ubuntu installer (beta)?
[20:16] <mroc> jemark_: as i mentioned, the ugly fix does still work for me.
[20:17] <jemark_> mroc: i also use the ugly fix
[20:17] <mroc> jemark_: i was looking for info on whether the locations to copy the "ugly fix" script were still the same, and whether the fix that had been expected in intrepid has already been applied (and thus not worked for my drive).
[20:18] <Stev> mroc, the bug is marked as "fix released" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[20:18] <Stev> maybe you should post a comment?
[20:18] <vmelo> I guess this is a bug (no partitions in ubuntu installer)
[20:19] <vmelo> does anyone know about it?
[20:19] <mindstab_> blub
[20:19] <mindstab_> i just upgraded to 8.10 and i see an atheros driver in the hardware drivers list but i cant activate it because there is some other driver loaded how i can load the driver in the list?
[20:21] <danage1> mindstab_: what atheros do you have
[20:21] <Stev> mindstab_, uhm have you tried unloading the old driver?
[20:22] <mindstab_> Stev, how can i do this?
[20:23] <Stev> mindstab_,  from terminal: sudo modprobe -r module_actually_loaded
[20:23] <mindstab_> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[20:23] <mindstab_> this is the atheros
[20:23] <mindstab_> chip
[20:23] <jemark_> mroc: this bug is fixed in intrepid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/+bug/250935
[20:24] <danage1> it will be fixed before release
[20:24] <Stev> don't know which module you have.. i would try tiping the first letter of atheros and "TAB-bing" to see possibile completions
[20:24] <mindstab_> but on the msi site there is mentioned i have n - standard
[20:24] <danage1> it's probably ath5k that gets loaded
[20:24] <danage1> blacklist in kernel config
[20:24] <danage1> i doubt you do
[20:24] <danage1> gimme lspci -nv |grep 168c
[20:24] <mindstab_> http://www.msi-computer.de/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=utility&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1529
[20:24] <mindstab_> thats the laptop
[20:24] <danage1> gimme ^^
[20:25] <mindstab_> 05:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01)
[20:25] <danage1> yeah that's not an n card
[20:25] <danage1> blacklist ath5k in kernel
[20:25] <mindstab_> these liars :)
[20:25] <danage1> and it will work
[20:25] <mroc> Stev: i'll check out the bug report, maybe add a comment.
[20:25] <danage1> i can lookup the bug if you want
[20:26] <Stev> mroc: read the message from jemark_
[20:26] <Stev> uhm.... too late XD
[20:26] <danage1> mindstab_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/288148
[20:27] <mindstab_> http://www.onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=15811 is the lsmod output
[20:28] <danage1> you know what
[20:28] <danage1> it may be one of the cards that lspci doesnt put out correctly
[20:28] <danage1> i remember there was a problem
[20:28] <graft> how does one switch to using emerald as your decorator?
[20:28] <mindstab_> its a really new laptop
[20:28] <mindstab_> 1 month old
[20:29] <danage1> mindstab_: if you want it to work right now, blacklist ath9k and ath5k
[20:30] <danage1> you have 3 drivers that do the same thing loaded
[20:30] <danage1> it's a bug and will be fixed via ticket above, but if you want it to work right now
[20:30] <danage1> blacklist ath5k and ath9k
[20:30] <danage1> just remember you did because eventually it will switch to ath5k
[20:30] <mindstab_> how can i do that?
[20:30] <mindstab_> im not that experienced :)
[20:30] <danage1> google it
[20:31] <mindstab_> ok
[20:31] <danage1> it's easy
[20:31] <demontager> How to make wirelees conection whith automatik engage without asking password ?
[20:31] <visik7> hi
[20:31] <danage1> mindstab_: note: don't buy msi
[20:32] <mindstab_> :P
[20:32] <Stev> what's msi?
[20:32] <visik7> anyone got issue with gtk-window-decorator and nvidia ? I got glitches on the window bar
[20:32] <mindstab_> ok im rebooting
[20:32] <demontager> When I log in it ask to enter root password
[20:32] <danage1> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[20:32] <danage1> Stev: micro star international
[20:34] <danage1> what does "This won't make 8.10 GA due to the late date, I've marked this for the intrepid-updates milestone so we can get it in the first post GA update." mean?
[20:34] <Stev> danage1, didin't knew, do the make low-quality hw?
[20:34] <danage> Stev: in my opinion yes, even though that's off topic
[20:34] <danage> *at least as far as notebooks are concerned
[20:34] <rww> danage: it means that it'll be fixed after intrepid comes out
[20:35] <Stev> danage, sorry for the OT
[20:35] <visik7> anyone with nvidia+compiz ?
[20:35] <danage> rww: and part of which package?
[20:35] <danage> i have linux-backports-intrepid installed
[20:36] <danage> it probably means i have 2 weeks without wifi :(
[20:36] <graft> how come there's no emerald themes package?
[20:36] <rww> danage: it'll be released in the first set of normal updates after GA (general availability --> Intrepid final)
[20:36] <graft> is emerald discouraged or something?
[20:36] <louise_> graft, get some from compiz-look.org
[20:36] <apreichner> I'm having a problem with installing the nvidia restricted driver on 8.10
[20:37] <danage> rww: ok... so should i deinstall the backports drivers?
[20:37] <graft> louise_: i'd prefer to use the package manager if possible
[20:37] <louise_> Is there a way for me to recover .Xauthority?
[20:37] <louise_> graft, that'd be nice
[20:37] <graft> louise_: what do you mean, recover?
[20:37] <danage> graft: theres prolly repos out there
[20:37] <graft> yeah, but they used to have it in the repos - why was it removed?
[20:38] <louise_> graft, I think mine got borked in last updated
[20:38] <rww> danage: do you mean linux-backports-modules-intrepid?
[20:38] <danage> um, yes, sorry
[20:38] <graft> louise_: man xauth
[20:39] <visik7> oh lala
[20:39] <graft> louise_: you can usually just delete yours and restart X
[20:39] <visik7> anyone with glitches on the window bar with compiz and nvidia ?
[20:40] <rww> danage: I think you should be okay, but I don't use backports much, so I'm not sure.
[20:40] <louise_> graft, would it be regenerated during boot?
[20:41] <graft> louise_: you can generate a new one for yourself by doing xauth generate :0 (or whatever your display number is)
[20:42] <graft> louise_: but yes, it'll be generated if there's none there when you reboot
[20:42] <shirish> hi all, is there any command to find obsolete packages, not looking for system-cleaner-gtk
[20:42] <louise_> graft, I will try that when I get home thanx
[20:42] <graft> louise_: try just deleting it and restarting gdm or whatever, should be sufficient
[20:42] <mindstab_> ok i didnt manage to get it to work
[20:43] <apreichner> I'm having trouble installing an nvidia restricted driver on 8.10
[20:43] <danage> mindstab_: lsmod
[20:43] <mindstab_> martin@linux:~$ lsmod | grep ath
[20:43] <mindstab_> ath_pci                99096  0
[20:43] <mindstab_> wlan                  211952  1 ath_pci
[20:43] <mindstab_> ath_hal               198864  1 ath_pci
[20:43] <danage> hmm
[20:43] <danage> iwconfig
[20:43] <visik7> sholdn't rc1 be out today ?
[20:43] <mindstab_> no wireless devices
[20:43] <rww> shirish: sudo apt-get autoremove, or http://www.marzocca.net/linux/gtkorphan.html
[20:43] <rww> visik7: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html
[20:43] <visik7> danage: do the following:
[20:44] <louise_> graft, thanks for the help
[20:44] <danage> mindstab_: strange, madwifi should support your card
[20:44] <shirish> rww: I'm looking for a cli equivalent for the same
[20:44] <mindstab_> :(
[20:44] <apreichner> Can someone help me with an nvidia restricted driver?
[20:44] <danage> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[20:44] <shirish> rww: I'm looking for a command which will do the same
[20:44] <danage> but maybe it carries some info for you
[20:45] <visik7> danage: do the following: modprobe -r ath_pci ; modprobe ath_pci ;dmesg
[20:45] <rww> shirish: as I said, sudo apt-get autoremove, though depending on how you installed packages, that command might not be helpful
[20:45] <visik7> danage: and paste the output on some pastebin
[20:45] <danage> visik7: you prolly mean mindstab_
[20:45] <mindstab_> :D
[20:45] <visik7> danage: yes
[20:46] <danage> mindstab_: it might be that the madwifi in your intrepid is too old. it should, as i mentioned, support it
[20:46] <danage> so another thing you could try is installing linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[20:47] <danage> but maybe visik7 knows better
[20:47] <apreichner> is there a way to install the restricted drivers through terminal?
[20:47] <danage> i would try that before using a madwifi snapshot
[20:47] <visik7> danage: could you run that command please ?
[20:47] <danage> visik7: mindstab_
[20:47] <danage> not me
[20:47] <danage> i don't have ath_pci
[20:47] <mindstab_>  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[20:47] <visik7> danage: sorry :)
[20:47] <rww> apreichner: sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[20:48] <mindstab_> visik7, im the one :P
[20:48] <apreichner> rww: that will install the nvidia restricted drivers?
[20:48] <danage> mindstab_: do what visik7 says, it's the way to debug this
[20:48] <mindstab_> i did
[20:48] <mindstab_> thats the output
[20:48] <danage> ah ok
[20:49] <danage> then try the package i mentioned, it might include a newer madwifi
[20:49] <apreichner> rww: it says its all updated already.
[20:49] <visik7> mindstab_: is your card a AR5BXB63 ?
[20:49] <mindstab_> visik7, no
[20:49] <rww> apreichner: then theoretically, you have them installed :/
[20:49] <visik7> which ?
[20:50] <apreichner> theoretically i have the nvidia driver installed?
[20:50] <danage> visik7: yes
[20:50] <danage> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1192
[20:50] <danage> 168c:001c
[20:50] <apreichner> rww: i guess ill try enabling compositing
[20:50] <mindstab_> the weirdest thing is that on the msi site the windows drivers are for intel wifi
[20:50] <danage> mindstab_: install the package i mentioned
[20:50] <visik7> oh it's a msi u100 ?
[20:51] <mindstab_> msi gx630
[20:51] <mindstab_> 620
[20:51] <danage> as via link above, madwifi supports your card
[20:51] <mindstab_> sry
[20:51] <rww> apreichner: well, linux-generic's dependency tree includes nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common. there might be a userland package you need for xorg, but you have the kernel drivers
[20:51] <apreichner> well
[20:51] <mindstab_> ; Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection Adapter says the driver inf file
[20:51] <mindstab_> but there are 2 different drivers in the installer
[20:52] <visik7> mindstab_: don't care about inf files
[20:52] <apreichner> rww: it said i needed the 173 driver, so I clicked enable... and the screen flashed for a second and then it said, "Cannot enable desktop effects."
[20:52] <visik7> mindstab_: lspci say the truth
[20:52] <danage> visik7: there is a problem with this card and lspci
[20:52] <visik7> danage: ?
[20:52] <danage> but as i said, madwifi supports it now
[20:52] <visik7> danage: pciid doesn't lie
[20:53] <danage> visik7: i think 2 different types report themselves as ar5006 or something
[20:53] <visik7> nevermind about the database
[20:53] <danage> have different sub-ids
[20:53] <visik7> oh
[20:53] <danage> anyhow
[20:53] <danage> mindstab_: install the package i mentioned
[20:53] <mindstab_> ok
[20:53] <danage> it *should* work
[20:53] <kal> is the rc1 still scheduled for 23rd of October?
[20:54] <rww> apreichner: go to System->Administration->Hardware Drivers and see if 1) there's an option for the nvidia driver, and 2) it's enabled
[20:54] <visik7> seems but no iso are available yet
[20:54] <kal> ok
[20:55] <apreichner> no. none of them are enabled, there are 3 options. When I click to enable it shows a download bar really quick and then it vanishes and it still shows as not enabled
[20:55] <joaopinto> hi
[20:55] <mindstab_> ok i did and next step?
[20:55] <danage> reboot
[20:55] <joaopinto> my microphone is not working, any tips on how to troubleshoot ?
[20:55] <mindstab_> ok :)
[20:56] <apreichner> rww: it shows a red dot next to all of them and it says "Not installed"
[20:56] <danage> or
[20:56] <danage> mindstab_: still there
[20:56] <mindstab_> y
[20:56] <mindstab_> danage, y
[20:57] <danage> ok
[20:57] <danage> do a modinfo ath_pci
[20:57] <danage> and paste the version info here
[20:57] <rww> apreichner: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173
[20:57] <danage> then, reboot
[20:57] <rww> apreichner: (also, check that your video card is on this list: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-glx-173 )
[20:58] <apreichner> rww: it says Couldn't find package nvidia-glx-173
[20:58] <mindstab_> danage, srcversion:     D3FD3BD11169A96DBCFF8DE
[20:58] <mindstab_> this?
[20:58] <danage> yes
[20:58] <mindstab_> ok
[20:59] <danage> see ya :)
[20:59] <rww> apreichner: do you have the restricted repository enabled?
[20:59] <vmelo> is there any report about partitions table not recognized during installation?
[20:59] <apreichner> rww: my driver is on the list. And yes according to the package manager, the restricted repository is enabled.
[21:00] <apreichner> rww: I also have an option for the 177 driver too, but that doesnt work either
[21:02] <rww> apreichner: can you copy your /etc/apt/sources.lst file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[21:02] <histo> Anyone using conky with itrepid? I've noticed that you can't have any desktop icons while conky is running with double buffer enabled.
[21:02] <mindstab> im back :)
[21:02] <danage> workie?
[21:03] <mindstab> no ^^
[21:03] <danage> modinfo ath_pci
[21:03] <apreichner> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61668/
[21:04] <mindstab> version:        0.9.4
[21:04] <danage> srcversion?
[21:04] <mindstab> srcversion:     D3FD3BD11169A96DBCFF8DE
[21:04] <danage> same, rats
[21:05] <danage> mindstab: i guess you have to either wait or use the fix from ubuntuusers.de
[21:05] <mindstab> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile/ath_pci.ko
[21:05] <mindstab> is this rigth=
[21:05] <mindstab> ?
[21:05] <rww> apreichner: odd, the package you need is on the mirror you're using. did you do sudo apt-get update recently?
[21:05] <danage> mindstab: yeah
[21:05] <mindstab> :(
[21:05] <apreichner> no i just installed it today, but ill do it now
[21:05] <danage> maybe try what visik7 wrote with this one
[21:06] <mindstab> [  372.572859] wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[21:06] <apreichner> rww: okay just did update, want me to try the driver again?
[21:06] <rww> apreichner: yeah
[21:06] <danage> mindstab: ubuntuusers guide
[21:07] <visik7> you could try ath5k driver tooo
[21:07] <mindstab> can can u give me a link to the guide?
[21:07] <mindstab> just load the driver with modprobe?
[21:07] <apreichner> rww: its downloading and installing it, so i think it worked
[21:08] <visik7> remove ath_pci before
[21:08] <mindstab> [  476.939564] ath5k phy0: failed to wakeup the MAC Chip
[21:08] <apreichner> rww: hm.. well the bar finished going, but it still shows as not installed
[21:08] <danage> visik7: its quite b0rken i heard
[21:08] <visik7> danage: so seems
[21:09] <danage> mindstab: hafta remove ath_pci first
[21:09] <danage> rmmod ath_pci
[21:09] <visik7> modprobe -r
[21:09] <rww> apreichner: I thought that System->Administration->Hardware Drivers would do the apt-get update for you, but it seems not. I guess that was why installing from there wasn't working ;-)
[21:09] <danage> or that
[21:09] <visik7> rmmod is not clean :)
[21:09] <rww> apreichner: didn't see your last message. hmm
[21:09] <mindstab> [  476.939614] ath5k_pci 0000:05:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
[21:09] <mindstab> [  476.939947] ath5k_pci: probe of 0000:05:00.0 failed with error -5
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.347991] ath_pci: driver unloaded
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.380072] wlan: driver unloaded
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.412069] ath_hal: driver unloaded
[21:10] <apreichner> rww, i guess ill try restarting and see what happens, but it never gave me a restart message
[21:10] <apreichner> oh nvm, now it did
[21:10] <visik7> mindstab: you have to remove both with modprobe -r and load only ath5k
[21:10] <apreichner> rww i think it worked, thank you for your help
[21:10] <rww> apreichner: no problem; let me know if you have problems after restarting :)
[21:11] <apreichner> okie doke
[21:14] <apreichner> rww: The driver works flawlessly! Visual Effects is on and looks good. Thanks for your help, although I didn't think it would be that simple to fix.
[21:16] <rww> apreichner: Awesome! Glad to hear it :)
[21:17] <apreichner> Thanks again. Bye
[21:18] <mindstab> i cant get it to work
[21:18] <mindstab> :/
[21:19] <bsnider> mindstab, just remove the linux-restricted-modules packages you have installed and the old madwifi stuff will be gone
[21:19] <visik7> mindstab: did you digg launchpad to see if someone already had report the bug ?
[21:27] <mindstab> hmm any other ideas
[21:27] <danage> ubuntuusers thingy
[21:27] <[diablo]> evening
[21:28] <danage> ath5k won't make you happy
[21:28] <danage> i have my experiences with it
[21:28] <[diablo]> guys, anyone got beta working with openchrome please?
[21:28] <[diablo]> I get a black screen
[21:28] <mindstab> danage, can u give me the link?
[21:28] <adz21c> hi, since switching to intrepid my sound card has not worked properly. It has once produced sound, then I rebooted an it was gone. It is a Xonar D2. When I go to alsamixer I can't mute various options. Any ideas how I might go about solving this?
[21:28] <danage> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[21:28] <rww> my old laptop used an atheros chipset. had so much trouble with it :(
[21:28] <danage> BUT
[21:29] <danage> use a newer snapshot
[21:29] <danage> ^^^^ignore what i wrote beside the link
[21:29] <danage> but do use a newer snapshot
[21:31] <stork> am I the only one having problems with flash?
[21:32] <mindstab> danage, should i try hal testing=
[21:32] <mindstab> ?
[21:32] <danage> hmm
[21:32] <rww> sabaua: to answer your #ubuntu question: gnome-core is currently at version 2.22.2.
[21:32] <mindstab> http://snapshots.madwifi.org/
[21:33] <danage> sec
[21:33] <sabaua> not 2.4?
[21:33] <danage> hal10 current
[21:33] <rww> sabaua: sorry, i read packages list wrong
[21:34] <LARefugee> anyone have a bluetooth headset working with intrepid?
[21:34] <rww> sabaua: looks like some packages are at 2.24.0 (e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-panel) and some are at 2.24.1 (e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/eog)
[21:35] <rww> sabaua: so i'd assume we're getting 2.24.1 some time soon. i'm looking for more info on this
[21:39] <simone> hi, cioè ciao
[21:39] <loue> hello. anybody running intrepid with matrox graphics + dual monitors
[21:39] <simone> provengo dal canale inglese
[21:39] <simone> mi hanno risbatutto qui....qualcuno sa per caso del problema nvidia con il nuovo xorg?
[21:40] <rww> !english | simone
[21:40] <rww> !it | simone
[21:40] <simone> sorry, sorry, i thought i was already in the italian channel
[21:40] <rww> simone: no problem :)
[21:42] <danage> mindframe: i just saw the wget link in the ubuntuusers wiki entry is correct
[21:44] <simone> oh my gawdddd, nobody's there....you know italian people...lazy bunch of....
[21:45]  * rww giggles
[21:45] <mindstab> i have good news
[21:45] <mindstab> D
[21:46] <mindstab> i just connected to my network
[21:46] <mindstab> but i didnt got an ip
[21:46] <mindstab> over wifi
[21:46] <danage> did you follow the guide?
[21:47] <danage> mindstab: you can try dhclient ath0
[21:47] <danage> *sudo
[21:49] <mindstab> ok i tried
[21:50] <mindstab> DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.2.104 on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[21:50] <mindstab> DHCPACK of 192.168.2.104 from 192.168.2.1
[21:50] <mindstab> bound to 192.168.2.104 -- renewal in 922688733 seconds.
[21:50] <mindstab> but ifconfig still shows no ip under ath0
[21:50] <mindstab> ok now it does
[21:50] <mindstab> :D
[21:50] <danage> unplug the ethernet!!!
[21:51] <mindstab> huhu
[21:51] <danage> it workie?
[21:51] <mindstab> im still here=
[21:51] <mindstab> ?
[21:51] <mindstab> :D
[21:51] <mindstab> ok
[21:52] <mindstab> its very slow somehow?
[21:52] <adz21c> hi, since switching to intrepid my sound card has not worked properly. It has once produced sound, then I rebooted an it was gone. It is a Xonar D2. When I go to alsamixer I can't mute various options. Any ideas how I might go about solving this?
[21:52] <crimsun> is anyone experiencing bug 274995?
[21:53] <mindstab> i have a huge lag
[21:53] <crimsun> adz21c: is your xonar the only active audio device in the system?
[21:53] <adz21c> crimsun: I have a webcam with a mic, so it is the only output audio device
[21:54] <danage> mindstab: check your iwconfig rx tx data
[21:54] <crimsun> adz21c: however, a webcam with a mic is also an audio device.  Is it configured (through ALSA) as hw:0 or hw:1?
[21:54] <mindstab>  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:1D:19:EA:E1:6E
[21:54] <mindstab>           Bit Rate:12 Mb/s   Tx-Power:17 dBm   Sensitivity=1/1
[21:54] <mindstab>           Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[21:54] <mindstab>           Power Management:off
[21:54] <mindstab>           Link Quality=25/70  Signal level=-71 dBm  Noise level=-96 dBm
[21:54] <mindstab>           Rx invalid nwid:6154  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[21:54] <mindstab>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[21:55] <danage> looks like you got bad reception
[21:55] <danage> i think it gets better int he 40s
[21:55] <mindstab> ?
[21:55] <danage> you could try iwconfig ath0 rate 1M
[21:55] <danage> link quality 40 and above
[21:56] <adz21c> crimsun: how do i figure that out, not got much knowledge on alsa
[21:56] <crimsun> adz21c: cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:56] <adz21c> crimsun: D2 = 0, USB = 1
[21:56] <mindstab> danage, no change
[21:57] <mindstab> i try sitting next to the access spot
[21:57] <crimsun> adz21c: please execute the alsa-info.sh script from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[21:58] <mindstab> ok i got 64/70 now
[21:58] <danage> mindstab: yes, see if that helps
[21:58] <mindstab> strange
[21:58] <danage> try a download of some size
[21:58] <mindstab> that were 2 meters
[21:58] <adz21c> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=49224decaeb0e9942536c4ea5c53949c658dd5c5
[21:59] <danage> high frequency is strange
[21:59] <graft> hmm... emacs doesn't install by default, that sucks
[22:00] <crimsun> adz21c: do you actually use the spdif out?
[22:00] <rww> graft: that's a matter of opinion ;-)
[22:01] <crimsun> adz21c: if not, amixer -c0 set 'IEC958',0
[22:01] <adz21c> crimsun: yes, that is how I am connected to my speakers
[22:01] <crimsun> err, amixer -c0 set 'IEC958',0 mute
[22:01] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, and what's the link status on the spdif?
[22:02] <graft> rww: well, i'm a long-time vim prefer-er, but still... it's emacs!
[22:02] <adz21c> crimsun: where would I find that?
[22:02] <crimsun> adz21c: by inspecting the hardware.  Most components have a visual indicator whether the spdif is active.
[22:02] <mindstab> ok
[22:02] <mindstab> i cant even ping the router
[22:03] <mindstab> hallo
[22:03] <echinos_> I will never run "update-manager -d" again :/
[22:03] <adz21c> crimsun: unfortunately that isn't always the case with my speakers. When its doing normal output there is no difference on the indicators compared to using analog, unless I play a DVD with spdif passthrough which then lights up the dolby digital indicator, which currently doesn't happen when i play a DVD
[22:04] <echinos_> something always goes wonky
[22:04] <rww> echinos_: tell me about it. I have such bad luck with upgrading OS versions, even on Windows/OS X. Backup, erase, install... that's my motto!
[22:05] <crimsun> adz21c: <ugh> ok, then, can you eliminate pulseaudio from the debugging picture?
[22:06] <adz21c> crimsun: how would I go about that?
[22:06] <crimsun> adz21c: I.e., pasuspender -- aplay -Dplug:iec958 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:07] <simone_> sorry
[22:07] <simone_> where is ubuntu+1 italian??
[22:07] <simone_> the italian channel for 8.10
[22:07] <simone_> ?
[22:07] <mindstab> danage, still here?
[22:07] <adz21c> crimsun: if I said pulseaudio-utils isn't installed would that eliminate it?
[22:08] <crimsun> adz21c: well, you can still test without pulseaudio-utils.  Just use:  pulseaudio -k; aplay -Dplug:iec958 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:09] <adz21c> crimsun: apparently pulseaudio isn't installed full stop, that a good or bad thing? also I noticed when aplay tried to play the wav it complain of an underrun
[22:10] <crimsun> adz21c: good vs. bad - well, depends on your opinion.  underrun isn't really important here.
[22:10] <crimsun> adz21c: more importantly, was the sound audible?
[22:10] <graft> !it
[22:10] <adz21c> crimsun: nope
[22:11] <crimsun> adz21c: if not, can you try aplay -Dplug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:12] <adz21c> crimsun: same result. One thing that might be worth noting, that before on hardy i noticed when the sound card didn't work I was unable to mute/unmute most of the options in alsamixer (which is the case currently), however after building alsa 1.0.17 the sound started working and i was suddently able to mute and unmute various items
[22:13] <crimsun> adz21c: hmm, you compiled your own 1.0.17 and aren't using the version in linux?
[22:13] <crimsun> adz21c: (because in that case, you need to be using 1.0.18rc3)
[22:14] <adz21c> crimsun: when i was in hardy (which shipped with 1.0.16) i recompiled it to 1.0.17 to get it working, so I asssumed it would work out of the box with intrepid since thats shipped with 1.0.17
[22:15] <crimsun> adz21c: ah, so you /didn't/ recompile alsa-driver on intrepid?
[22:15] <crimsun> (your previous statement is a bit ambiguous)
[22:16] <adz21c> crimsun: I had tried previously, recompiled alsa (didn't upgrade) that made no diff, so then i tried 1.0.18rc3 and that failed, so i rolled back to 1.0.17 shipped with intrepid
[22:16] <crimsun> adz21c: I'm afraid at this point you have two recourses:  wipe the state file and reload the virtuoso driver, or use 1.0.18rc3
[22:16] <crimsun> adz21c: also, what failed in 1.0.18rc3?
[22:17] <adz21c> crimsun: just the same result, no sound
[22:18] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, try wiping the state file.
[22:18] <adz21c> crimsun: would that be /var/lib/asound.state?
[22:18] <danage> mindstab: yes
[22:19] <crimsun> adz21c: yes.  You'll need to unload snd-virtuoso, then remove the state file, then reload snd-virtuoso.
[22:20] <josh||> so what version of KDE ships with 8.10?
[22:20] <adz21c> josh||: 4.1.2
[22:20] <josh||> thanks
[22:20] <josh||> not sure yet if i want to make the leap to kde from xfce
[22:21] <ethana2> i'm wondering what URL to watch for the post-QA 8.10 rc..
[22:21] <adz21c> crimsun: done that, i tried aplay with front_center.wav and same result, no audio
[22:22] <crimsun> adz21c: did you mistakenly toggle the loopback element?
[22:24] <josh||> how about the xfce version for 8.10? :)
[22:24] <adz21c> crimsun: not even been anywhere to toggle it, however just went into alsamixer to try and again, can't toggle mute on it. only things i can change mute on are iec958 and master, the rest are locked unmuted
[22:25] <crimsun> adz21c: 'IEC958 Loopback'
[22:25] <adz21c> crimsun: there is a mute toggle for that, but it is locked unmuted
[22:26] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, then you have to muck with the mixer settings.  Sorry, I don't have access to that card locally.
[22:27] <adz21c> crimsun: s'ok :-) unfortunately I mucked with the mixer as muich as i can, like i said most of it just wont change, i can change volume levels on master, must and unmute iec958 and master, and i can change the stereo upmixing, other than that it is like all the other settings are there for show
[22:28] <thatguy> can anyone tell me a good method to clearing ~80MB of space on '/boot'
[22:28] <graft> thatguy: remove old kernels?
[22:29] <thatguy> can you please tell me how i would go about doing that?
[22:30] <thatguy> oh wait they are the abi-generic stuff?
[22:30] <graft> thatguy: um. well, see which ones ar einstalled first, dpkg -l | grep  linux-image
[22:31] <ikonia> thatguy: remove uneeded files
[22:31] <thatguy> http://pastebin.com/m4a309a9d
[22:31] <thatguy> i'm guessing remove everything htat isn't 2.6.24-21
[22:31] <graft> thatguy: what are you running now?
[22:32] <graft> thatguy: yeah... i usually keep one stable backup, but you're probably okay removing everything you're not using
[22:32] <ikonia> thatguy is /boot a seperate partition
[22:32] <thatguy> the one i just mentioned
[22:32] <thatguy> no it is a folder
[22:32] <ToxinPowe> is RC out?
[22:32] <graft> thatguy: then once the kernel packages are gone, apt-get autoremove should clean up header packages and such
[22:32] <ikonia> thatguy: so you need to make sure your / file system has 80meg of space
[22:33] <graft> althoug headers aren't in /boot anyway, never mind
[22:34] <josh||> thats a good point, actually... whats your partition table like? if everything is one big part you can delete from anywhere
[22:34] <graft> if he doesn't have 80M of free space he's probably got other problems
[22:35] <josh||> yeah well that was the next thing i was worried about :X
[22:35] <thatguy> i'm guessing i can find the partition table in GParted?
[22:36] <josh||> thatguy, how about the output of the df command
[22:36] <ikonia> thatguy: why do you want the partition table ?
[22:36] <thatguy> ikonia: josh|| mentioned it
[22:36] <josh||> that will tell you what partitions you have and how much space is on each
[22:36] <josh||> im curious what else is on the same part as /boot, where he might have stored some files he could (re)move
[22:37] <thatguy> http://pastebin.com/m653a08d9
[22:37] <graft> well, crap. I just got this: ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin: Input/output error
[22:37] <graft> just that one file.. everything else is okay
[22:38] <josh||> :o someone left your cache in a bad state... thats scary
[22:38] <graft> yeah, so now what?
[22:38] <thatguy> josh||: http://pastebin.com/m653a08d9
[22:38] <tapas> input/output error sounds bad
[22:39] <josh||> thatguy, well youve got a separate partition for /boot so your only choice is to delete files from under /boot
[22:39] <josh||> graft, first id want to know if apt keeps any automatic backups :X
[22:40] <graft> i'm not even sure what happened here
[22:40] <josh||> ive had apt barf on me in similar ways
[22:40] <thatguy> most of the /boot folder in my filesystem is just generics (current and old versions)
[22:40] <josh||> lets see... scanning man pages
[22:41] <josh||> thatguy, you can safely remove old kernel versions
[22:41] <thatguy> cool
[22:41] <josh||> just dont remove the current one!
[22:41] <graft> it should yell at you anyway if you try to remove the current kernel
[22:41] <thatguy> i know
[22:41] <thatguy> hm it won't let me delete them
[22:42] <graft> don't delete them
[22:42] <graft> use apt to remove the packages
[22:42] <tapas> thatguy: run a file system check some time just to be sure
[22:42] <thatguy> mm if you haven't noticed, i'm not a big bash user, the most i actually know is how to compile something simple like pidgin
[22:43] <graft> you could always reboot 30 times
[22:43] <josh||> haha
[22:44] <thatguy> and why is 30 so magic...42 is
[22:44] <graft> but properly speaking you should run from a livecd and use the 'e2fsck' command
[22:45] <tapas> erm
[22:45] <tapas> i actually meant to send that comment to graft [re: input output error]
[22:46] <thatguy> ah
[22:46] <hellues> hey
[22:46] <hellues> can you give infos about super ubuntu
[22:47] <aliasbody> #ubuntu-fr
[22:47] <thatguy> well so far so safe
[22:47] <thatguy> (i used synaptic pkg manager due to lack of bash knowledge
[22:50] <thatguy> it works now btw
[22:50] <josh||> :)
[22:50] <thatguy> i freed up about 130MB of space by taking away all the old stuff
[22:51] <thatguy> hm maybe i'll upgrade to beta a week early from now on to make the download time easier
[22:52] <kane77> hi, I installed intrepid beta (from the cd available from ubuntu.com) and networking worked, but there was large number of updates and one of those updates borked NetworkManager, because now the icon don't show up in system tray. If I kill the process and start it again it does show, but if I open the connections window (Edit connections) there is connection ifupdown (eth0) for wired connection and I can't delete it..
[22:52] <zeco> Intrepid Ibex RC is out now: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[22:52] <kane77> and the whole networkmanager does not work so I have to kill it and run my config script (using plain ifconfig)
[23:20] <ronny> hi
[23:20] <lastent> hi there is not sun-java-jdk on intrepid?
[23:21] <kane77> lastent, there is
[23:21] <louise> I lost my system since last updates. I think I have a problem with xauth and gdm's authority to access xserver
[23:21] <ronny> intrepid gives me strange welan performance - every few minutes my download rates drop from 300-500 kb down to a about 1000 bytes/minute (only happens when using the wlan)
[23:21] <ronny> *wlan
[23:21] <louise> its very new stuff to me
[23:22] <kane77> lastent, sun-java5-jdk and sun-java6-jdk
[23:22] <lastent> kane77, I cant find any of them
[23:23] <lch> hi, I'm wondering if or when mediawiki-1.13.2 will make it into the intrepid repo
[23:23] <kane77> lastent, they are in multiverse so check if you have multiverse repository enabled
[23:24] <lch> from the package mailing list I can see that the maintainer already checked in some patch
[23:24] <lch> to Debian or so
[23:24] <lastent> kane77, it is the package manager the problem
[23:31] <a1len> Anyone know how I'm gonna pull up Python? And how I can set a shortcut gui on the desktop?
[23:32] <lch> "pull up"?
[23:32] <a1len> Yeah. Bring up the program or whatever the technical name is. Use it.
[23:32] <a1len> I can't find it.
[23:32] <a1len> Apt-get says it's installed.
[23:32] <joaopinto> a1len, from the terminal just type: python
[23:33] <joaopinto> a1len, please search for a Python tutorial
[23:33] <a1len> joaopinto: thanks.
[23:35] <ethana2> since python is installed by default, and not everyone codes, it is hidden
[23:36] <ethana2> system > preferences > main menu
[23:36] <ethana2> unhide it
[23:36] <ethana2> this will give you an applications > programming > python
[23:36] <ethana2> a1len: does that help?
[23:38] <Wutz> is RC released now?
[23:38] <a1len> ethana2, thanks. Found it
[23:41] <WelshDragon> Wutz, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ ?
[23:41] <Wutz> ah, thats exactly what i'm looking for, ty
[23:41] <WelshDragon> yw =)
[23:42] <tgm4883_laptop> has the 8.10 RC been released yet?  ubuntu.com says it has, but links to the beta page
[23:43] <WelshDragon> tgm4883_laptop, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[23:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ah yes, so it's just the release page that doesn't exist then
[23:46] <nhaines> tgm4883_laptop: Give it a couple hours, it'll get there.  :)
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> thx, downloading now :)
[23:49] <zoran> is that final rc?
[23:50] <lch> anybody here who can tell me how maintaining Ubuntu packages works?
[23:50] <zoran> hmmm?
[23:51] <nhaines> zoran: yes.
[23:51] <lch> I'm wondering if or when mediawiki-1.13.2 will make it into the intrepid repo
[23:51] <lch> from the package mailing list I can see that the maintainer already checked in some patch
[23:51] <zoran> nhaines: tnx
[23:51] <pwnguin> does anyone know what happened to the ornamental GNOME games card theme?
[23:51] <csilk> ahs the default theme for intrepid been finalised yet?
[23:51] <csilk> *has