| persia | Is ubiquity defaulting to America/New_York for an install in Japanese a bug? | 01:28 |
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| cjwatson | yes | 01:32 |
| cjwatson | I think that only happens if you picked some other language first and then went back and redid it, though? | 01:32 |
| persia | I'll file it then. Thanks. | 01:32 |
| cjwatson | do give precise information on what you pressed from the bootloader on | 01:32 |
| persia | I didn't do that intentionally. Just booted the -moble image. double-clicked the icon. Selected Japanese. | 01:32 |
| persia | OK. Do you want any logs? It's not in debug mode. | 01:33 |
| cjwatson | I'm sure it's reproducible from that | 01:33 |
| persia | OK. | 01:33 |
| persia | The city name "Tokyo" was also in English, but I suspect that's just a missing string. | 01:34 |
| cjwatson | not entirely sure those are translated at all in the location map | 01:34 |
| persia | Right. Not likely to change this time, but post-release I'll do a summary of all the remaining English bits in a Japanese install, and file the appropriate bugs. The default timezone I'll file now. | 01:36 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 01:37 |
| davmor2 | evand: morning/evening hello. I've had a thought about the dvd install which completed in the end... Would it help if I ran strace the other side of the stoppage so from the last user page till it stops? | 07:54 |
| evand | davmor2: we've since figured it out. | 07:55 |
| evand | thanks though | 07:55 |
| davmor2 | oh cool :) | 07:55 |
| evand | it was the file blacklist generation (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DVDPerformanceHacks) | 07:55 |
| evand | or rather, is. It's not fixed yet, and cjwatson does not think optimization is OK this late in the cycle, so we might back it out for 8.10. | 07:56 |
| davmor2 | might want to add it as a release bug though so people don't think it has stopped due to the inactivity | 07:58 |
| evand | indeed | 08:00 |
| davmor2 | evand: is there a bug or would you like me to write one? | 08:01 |
| evand | davmor2: I'll take care of making one, thanks though | 08:03 |
| davmor2 | evand: Okay np's | 08:03 |
| evand | davmor2: any idea where the "Known Issues" are collecting? | 08:10 |
| evand | I can't find the right wiki page | 08:11 |
| evand | for the RC, that is | 08:11 |
| persia | I think it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes (for errata) | 08:13 |
| evand | I think that's only for the final | 08:14 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: is there a bug number? if so, it should have a task opened on the 'ubuntu-release-notes' project | 08:14 |
| evand | But I see that slangasek is still up, so I'll prod him | 08:14 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: the actual release notes drafting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes, but I prefer that we have a bug open first | 08:14 |
| davmor2 | evand: does the blaklist build in ram before being written to drive then? | 08:48 |
| evand | yes | 08:51 |
| davmor2 | so that explains the lack of disk activity then thanks | 08:52 |
| evand | no problem | 09:06 |
| cjwatson | evand: well, to clarify, I'm concerned about optimisations that change the overall logic - but if there are micro-optimisations that help significantly, those might be worth it | 09:37 |
| cilkay | Hi. Any idea why system-config-kickstart doesn't show anything in the package selection panel in Kubuntu Hardy? | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | cilkay: bug 21214 | 09:39 |
| cilkay | Aha. Thanks. | 09:40 |
| cilkay | It looks like it doesn't support PXE installations either so it's of limited value at the moment for me. | 09:40 |
| cjwatson | *blink* certainly ought to support PXE | 09:40 |
| cjwatson | what do you mean? | 09:40 |
| cilkay | Really? I don't see it as an option in the "Installation Method" panel. | 09:41 |
| cilkay | My preseed installation was getting increasingly complicated so I was kicking the tires on kickstart again. | 09:41 |
| cilkay | But some of that complexity has nothing to do with preseed. | 09:41 |
| cjwatson | "Installation Method" means how packages are retrieved, not how you boot the installer | 09:41 |
| cjwatson | most PXE users would want to select HTTP there | 09:41 |
| cjwatson | and read https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html for how to deal with booting | 09:42 |
| cilkay | I was reading about cfengine. Seems like it would help to automate many of the things I'm trying to do but it's seems quite complicated. | 09:42 |
| cilkay | I have PXE preseed installations working, mostly. | 09:43 |
| cilkay | ... thanks to you in no small measure. | 09:43 |
| cjwatson | booting PXE Kickstart is pretty similar really - just ks= (and maybe ksdevice=) rather than url= | 09:43 |
| cilkay | Sure. I just didn't see the option in the system-config-kickstart tool. | 09:44 |
| cilkay | I' | 09:45 |
| cilkay | I'm trying to create something like "roaming profiles". | 09:45 |
| cilkay | KDE has kiosk but it seems to be unmaintained and crashes every minute or so on Hardy. | 09:45 |
| cilkay | Preseed PXE install with Kerberos, OpenLDAP, and KDE kiosk with configuration management by cfengine is what I'm shooting for so it's a tall order. | 09:47 |
| cilkay | Off for now. Thanks again cjwatson. | 09:48 |
| cjwatson | no problem | 09:48 |
| ubuntu860 | davmor2 I cannot reproduce the reboot error, tried both vista+real hw and xp in vm and both reboot properly | 10:25 |
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| xivulon | superm1: I cannot reproduce your issue either | 10:26 |
| davmor2 | okay testing is nearly complete. So I'll just finish that off and then I'll look at it again. | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | evand: that said, after I expressed concern about optimisation, it occurs to me that http://paste.ubuntu.com/61441/ could work | 10:31 |
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| xivulon | uh jono did an album? that's great stuff! | 10:39 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: cjwatson * r551 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.53 | 11:02 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: cjwatson * r552 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/frontend/kde_ui.py): | 11:07 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: * KDE frontend: | 11:07 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: - Hardcode command line (including setting the Oxygen style) rather than | 11:07 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: passing sys.argv to KCmdLineArgs, which will include options that KDE | 11:07 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: doesn't understand (LP: #218144). | 11:07 |
| superm1 | xivulon, are you doing it with a mythbuntu or ubuntu? I'm wondering if it's only reaching that codepath on mythbuntu iso's with wubi? | 12:36 |
| xivulon | I did it with today's ubuntu iso | 12:46 |
| xivulon | could you try that too? | 12:46 |
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| superm1 | xivulon, yeah I'll try to grab it | 13:05 |
| cjwatson | persia: don't suppose we could get logs for bug 287857? it's pretty bizarre | 13:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287857 in ubiquity "Prompting for step 4 in --automatic mode only when not in --debug mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287857 | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | --debug really oughtn't to change a whole lot ... | 13:47 |
| persia | cjwatson. Sure. I'll collect some. That was a placeholder for me to investigate as much as anything else, although I definitely appreciate the help. In about 20 minutes work for you? | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | oh, sure, I just wasn't sure whether you were stuck | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | and saw it mentioned in the meeting | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | not like I have lots of time ... | 13:49 |
| persia | I'm mostly stuck because I've been up for 33 hours, rather than because I'm not understanding the code path. | 13:49 |
| persia | I'd rather look at it tomorrow if that isn't worse for you. | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | we're running out of time is all | 13:50 |
| persia | OK. Tonight then. | 13:50 |
| cjwatson | but 33 hours is not good for thinking | 13:50 |
| superm1 | xivulon, just tested with an ubuntu disk too | 13:51 |
| superm1 | it happens there as well with the same test procedure | 13:51 |
| superm1 | er ISO at least | 13:52 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: cjwatson * r553 oem-config/debian/ (changelog po/gl.po po/hr.po po/ja.po po/mk.po po/pt_BR.po): Update translations from Launchpad. | 13:52 |
| CIA-1 | oem-config: cjwatson * r554 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.53 | 13:56 |
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| persia | cjwatson, The bug description is wrong. I think I can collect useful logs, but it will take a few more runs to ensure I have the right model. | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | ah | 14:04 |
| evand | cjwatson: Just tested your patch. FWIW, it takes 9 minutes to run through generate_blacklist with it applied on a VM. | 14:25 |
| cjwatson | how long does it take without? | 14:27 |
| evand | checking that now | 14:27 |
| evand | 11 minutes | 14:48 |
| evand | I'd love to put a progress message for the blacklist generation in there, but obviously that's not possible given where we are in the release. | 14:51 |
| cjwatson | a progress message seems entirely possible | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | it can't be translated, but it's better than none at all | 15:00 |
| evand | ah, I thought string changes were expressly forbidden. | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | well, certainly you shouldn't be changing existing strings | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | and new strings should be kept to a minimum - but for this case I think it's fine | 15:01 |
| evand | ok | 15:01 |
| evand | so I assume then that you think we should keep the blacklist in place for the RC and the release? | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | phone | 15:02 |
| evand | ok | 15:02 |
| persia | cjwatson, 287857 isn't the installer at all. Sorry for the confusion. | 15:09 |
| evand | oh, what was it? | 15:11 |
| persia | evand, kourou not honoring arguments in Exec in .desktop files. | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | ah | 15:12 |
| persia | So ubiquity was never being passed --automatic. The reason it appeared to work with --debug was that I ran that from the command line. | 15:12 |
| persia | When I went back to retest, rather than waiting until tomorrow, I discovered that adding --debug in the .desktop file didn't do anything either, but it did for Desktop. At that point, it was just a matter of testing kourou with other applications to verify the cause. | 15:12 |
| evand | ah | 15:13 |
| superm1 | evand, maybe would adding a preseed option to turn it on and off be worthwhile? particularly in cases that all the language packs remain post install? | 15:20 |
| superm1 | evand, then you could make a flip of the switch decision too on final whether it would stay | 15:20 |
| xivulon | superm1 I'd need some windbg output | 15:22 |
| evand | superm1: I agree | 15:22 |
| superm1 | xivulon, how do i obtain windbg output? | 15:22 |
| xivulon | you need to install windbg or equivalent tool | 15:23 |
| superm1 | xivulon, is that the stuff that i get the option to submit to MS? | 15:23 |
| xivulon | I do not find that memory dump very useful in most cases | 15:23 |
| xivulon | but yes, post it anyway | 15:25 |
| superm1 | well i couldn't copy and paste it when i tried | 15:26 |
| xivulon | in fact I can open that using my windbg anyway | 15:26 |
| xivulon | I do not know windows that well, but I guess they save it in some temp file | 15:26 |
| xivulon | they love temp files... | 15:27 |
| superm1 | is there a particular windbg then that you are preferring? or just follow http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx ? | 15:27 |
| xivulon | install debugging tools for windows | 15:28 |
| superm1 | okay i'll install them tonight when I get home and see what I can get you | 15:31 |
| superm1 | are there symbols for wubi that need to be installed too? | 15:31 |
| xivulon | not really | 15:39 |
| CIA-1 | ubiquity: evand * r2918 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.10.8 | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | evand: can you have a look at bug 287747? | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287747 in ubiquity "Installing into an existing / partition will result in a broken kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287747 | 15:53 |
| evand | cjwatson: will do | 15:53 |
| CIA-1 | ubiquity: evand * r2919 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 16:53 |
| CIA-1 | ubiquity: * Optimize the blacklist generation. Thanks Colin Watson. | 16:53 |
| CIA-1 | ubiquity: * Add ubiquity/install/generate-blacklist preseed key for file | 16:53 |
| CIA-1 | ubiquity: blacklist generation. | 16:53 |
| evand | ^ Just in case | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | did you make sure it was still producing correct results? | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | my DVD jigdo template rsync is still only at 51% :-( | 16:54 |
| evand | it appears to be: http://evalicious.com/tmp/blacklist | 16:56 |
| evand | yikes | 16:56 |
| * evand runs fibre from the DC to cjwatson's house. | 16:58 | |
| cjwatson | evand: was that an English install? | 17:05 |
| evand | cjwatson: indeed | 17:09 |
| evand | I'll give it another go in other languages | 17:09 |
| evand | just to be on the safe side | 17:09 |
| evand | s/other/another/ | 17:11 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | I don't suppose the problem is just building that enormous list in memory? | 17:13 |
| evand | perhaps | 17:14 |
| evand | cjwatson: re 287747> initial testing looks ok, I am unable to reproduce the bug thusfar | 20:36 |
| evand | I'll keep at it though | 20:37 |
| cr3 | for some reason, when netinstalling the alternate image of ubuntu i386, I now see the main menu instead of having everything preseeded. not sure what might be wrong: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cr3/syslog | 20:48 |
| cr3 | aha! I already see one problem because the wget in the installer environment doesn't seem to support http proxying | 20:52 |
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