[01:28] <persia> Is ubiquity defaulting to America/New_York for an install in Japanese a bug?
[01:32] <cjwatson> yes
[01:32] <cjwatson> I think that only happens if you picked some other language first and then went back and redid it, though?
[01:32] <persia> I'll file it then.  Thanks.
[01:32] <cjwatson> do give precise information on what you pressed from the bootloader on
[01:32] <persia> I didn't do that intentionally.  Just booted the -moble image.  double-clicked the icon.  Selected Japanese.
[01:33] <persia> OK.  Do you want any logs?  It's not in debug mode.
[01:33] <cjwatson> I'm sure it's reproducible from that
[01:33] <persia> OK.
[01:34] <persia> The city name "Tokyo" was also in English, but I suspect that's just a missing string.
[01:34] <cjwatson> not entirely sure those are translated at all in the location map
[01:36] <persia> Right.  Not likely to change this time, but post-release I'll do a summary of all the remaining English bits in a Japanese install, and file the appropriate bugs.  The default timezone I'll file now.
[01:37] <cjwatson> thanks
[07:54] <davmor2> evand: morning/evening hello.  I've had a thought about the dvd install which completed in the end...  Would it help if I ran strace the other side of the stoppage so from the last user page till it stops?
[07:55] <evand> davmor2: we've since figured it out.
[07:55] <evand> thanks though
[07:55] <davmor2> oh cool :)
[07:55] <evand> it was the file blacklist generation (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DVDPerformanceHacks)
[07:56] <evand> or rather, is.  It's not fixed yet, and cjwatson does not think optimization is OK this late in the cycle, so we might back it out for 8.10.
[07:58] <davmor2> might want to add it as a release bug though so people don't think it has stopped due to the inactivity
[08:00] <evand> indeed
[08:01] <davmor2> evand: is there a bug or would you like me to write one?
[08:03] <evand> davmor2: I'll take care of making one, thanks though
[08:03] <davmor2> evand:  Okay np's
[08:10] <evand> davmor2: any idea where the "Known Issues" are collecting?
[08:11] <evand> I can't find the right wiki page
[08:11] <evand> for the RC, that is
[08:13] <persia> I think it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes (for errata)
[08:14] <evand> I think that's only for the final
[08:14] <davmor2> slangasek: is there a bug number?  if so, it should have a task opened on the 'ubuntu-release-notes' project
[08:14] <evand> But I see that slangasek is still up, so I'll prod him
[08:14] <davmor2> slangasek: the actual release notes drafting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes, but I prefer that we have a bug open first
[08:48] <davmor2> evand: does the blaklist build in ram before being written to drive then?
[08:51] <evand> yes
[08:52] <davmor2> so that explains the lack of disk activity then thanks
[09:06] <evand> no problem
[09:37] <cjwatson> evand: well, to clarify, I'm concerned about optimisations that change the overall logic - but if there are micro-optimisations that help significantly, those might be worth it
[09:38] <cilkay> Hi. Any idea why system-config-kickstart doesn't show anything in the package selection panel in Kubuntu Hardy?
[09:39] <cjwatson> cilkay: bug 21214
[09:40] <cilkay> Aha. Thanks.
[09:40] <cilkay> It looks like it doesn't support PXE installations either so it's of limited value at the moment for me.
[09:40] <cjwatson> *blink* certainly ought to support PXE
[09:40] <cjwatson> what do you mean?
[09:41] <cilkay> Really? I don't see it as an option in the "Installation Method" panel.
[09:41] <cilkay> My preseed installation was getting increasingly complicated so I was kicking the tires on kickstart again.
[09:41] <cilkay> But some of that complexity has nothing to do with preseed.
[09:41] <cjwatson> "Installation Method" means how packages are retrieved, not how you boot the installer
[09:41] <cjwatson> most PXE users would want to select HTTP there
[09:42] <cjwatson> and read https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html for how to deal with booting
[09:42] <cilkay> I was reading about cfengine. Seems like it would help to automate many of the things I'm trying to do but it's seems quite complicated.
[09:43] <cilkay> I have PXE preseed installations working, mostly.
[09:43] <cilkay> ... thanks to you in no small measure.
[09:43] <cjwatson> booting PXE Kickstart is pretty similar really - just ks= (and maybe ksdevice=) rather than url=
[09:44] <cilkay> Sure. I just didn't see the option in the system-config-kickstart tool.
[09:45] <cilkay> I'
[09:45] <cilkay> I'm trying to create something like "roaming profiles".
[09:45] <cilkay> KDE has kiosk but it seems to be unmaintained and crashes every minute or so on Hardy.
[09:47] <cilkay> Preseed PXE install with Kerberos, OpenLDAP, and KDE kiosk with configuration management by cfengine is what I'm shooting for so it's a tall order.
[09:48] <cilkay> Off for now. Thanks again cjwatson.
[09:48] <cjwatson> no problem
[10:25] <ubuntu860> davmor2 I cannot reproduce the reboot error, tried both vista+real hw and xp in vm and both reboot properly
[10:26] <xivulon> superm1: I cannot reproduce your issue either
[10:26] <davmor2> okay testing is nearly complete.  So I'll just finish that off and then I'll look at it again.
[10:31] <cjwatson> evand: that said, after I expressed concern about optimisation, it occurs to me that http://paste.ubuntu.com/61441/ could work
[10:39] <xivulon> uh jono did an album? that's great stuff!
[11:02] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r551 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.53
[11:07] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r552 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[11:07] <CIA-1> oem-config: * KDE frontend:
[11:07] <CIA-1> oem-config:  - Hardcode command line (including setting the Oxygen style) rather than
[11:07] <CIA-1> oem-config:  passing sys.argv to KCmdLineArgs, which will include options that KDE
[11:07] <CIA-1> oem-config:  doesn't understand (LP: #218144).
[12:36] <superm1> xivulon, are you doing it with a mythbuntu or ubuntu? I'm wondering if it's only reaching that codepath on mythbuntu iso's with wubi?
[12:46] <xivulon> I did it with today's ubuntu iso
[12:46] <xivulon> could you try that too?
[13:05] <superm1> xivulon, yeah I'll try to grab it
[13:47] <cjwatson> persia: don't suppose we could get logs for bug 287857? it's pretty bizarre
[13:47] <cjwatson> --debug really oughtn't to change a whole lot ...
[13:48] <persia> cjwatson.  Sure.  I'll collect some.  That was a placeholder for me to investigate as much as anything else, although I definitely appreciate the help.  In about 20 minutes work for you?
[13:49] <cjwatson> oh, sure, I just wasn't sure whether you were stuck
[13:49] <cjwatson> and saw it mentioned in the meeting
[13:49] <cjwatson> not like I have lots of time ...
[13:49] <persia> I'm mostly stuck because I've been up for 33 hours, rather than because I'm not understanding the code path.
[13:49] <persia> I'd rather look at it tomorrow if that isn't worse for you.
[13:50] <cjwatson> we're running out of time is all
[13:50] <persia> OK.  Tonight then.
[13:50] <cjwatson> but 33 hours is not good for thinking
[13:51] <superm1> xivulon, just tested with an ubuntu disk too
[13:51] <superm1> it happens there as well with the same test procedure
[13:52] <superm1> er ISO at least
[13:52] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r553 oem-config/debian/ (changelog po/gl.po po/hr.po po/ja.po po/mk.po po/pt_BR.po): Update translations from Launchpad.
[13:56] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r554 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.53
[14:03] <persia> cjwatson, The bug description is wrong.  I think I can collect useful logs, but it will take a few more runs to ensure I have the right model.
[14:04] <cjwatson> ah
[14:25] <evand> cjwatson: Just tested your patch.  FWIW, it takes 9 minutes to run through generate_blacklist with it applied on a VM.
[14:27] <cjwatson> how long does it take without?
[14:27] <evand> checking that now
[14:48] <evand> 11 minutes
[14:51] <evand> I'd love to put a progress message for the blacklist generation in there, but obviously that's not possible given where we are in the release.
[15:00] <cjwatson> a progress message seems entirely possible
[15:00] <cjwatson> it can't be translated, but it's better than none at all
[15:01] <evand> ah, I thought string changes were expressly forbidden.
[15:01] <cjwatson> well, certainly you shouldn't be changing existing strings
[15:01] <cjwatson> and new strings should be kept to a minimum - but for this case I think it's fine
[15:01] <evand> ok
[15:02] <evand> so I assume then that you think we should keep the blacklist in place for the RC and the release?
[15:02] <cjwatson> phone
[15:02] <evand> ok
[15:09] <persia> cjwatson, 287857 isn't the installer at all.  Sorry for the confusion.
[15:11] <evand> oh, what was it?
[15:11] <persia> evand, kourou not honoring arguments in Exec in .desktop files.
[15:12] <cjwatson> ah
[15:12] <persia> So ubiquity was never being passed --automatic.  The reason it appeared to work with --debug was that I ran that from the command line.
[15:12] <persia> When I went back to retest, rather than waiting until tomorrow, I discovered that adding --debug in the .desktop file didn't do anything either, but it did for Desktop.  At that point, it was just a matter of testing kourou with other applications to verify the cause.
[15:13] <evand> ah
[15:20] <superm1> evand, maybe would adding a preseed option to turn it on and off be worthwhile?  particularly in cases that all the language packs remain post install?
[15:20] <superm1> evand, then you could make a flip of the switch decision too on final whether it would stay
[15:22] <xivulon> superm1 I'd need some windbg output
[15:22] <evand> superm1: I agree
[15:22] <superm1> xivulon, how do i obtain windbg output?
[15:23] <xivulon> you need to install windbg or equivalent tool
[15:23] <superm1> xivulon, is that the stuff that i get the option to submit to MS?
[15:23] <xivulon> I do not find that memory dump very useful in most cases
[15:25] <xivulon> but yes, post it anyway
[15:26] <superm1> well i couldn't copy and paste it when i tried
[15:26] <xivulon> in fact I can open that using my windbg anyway
[15:26] <xivulon> I do not know windows that well, but I guess they save it in some temp file
[15:27] <xivulon> they love temp files...
[15:27] <superm1> is there a particular windbg then that you are preferring? or just follow http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx ?
[15:28] <xivulon> install debugging tools for windows
[15:31] <superm1> okay i'll install them tonight when I get home and see what I can get you
[15:31] <superm1> are there symbols for wubi that need to be installed too?
[15:39] <xivulon> not really
[15:51] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2918 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.10.8
[15:53] <cjwatson> evand: can you have a look at bug 287747?
[15:53] <evand> cjwatson: will do
[16:53] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2919 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[16:53] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Optimize the blacklist generation. Thanks Colin Watson.
[16:53] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Add ubiquity/install/generate-blacklist preseed key for file
[16:53] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  blacklist generation.
[16:53] <evand> ^ Just in case
[16:54] <cjwatson> did you make sure it was still producing correct results?
[16:54] <cjwatson> my DVD jigdo template rsync is still only at 51% :-(
[16:56] <evand> it appears to be: http://evalicious.com/tmp/blacklist
[16:56] <evand> yikes
[16:58]  * evand runs fibre from the DC to cjwatson's house.
[17:05] <cjwatson> evand: was that an English install?
[17:09] <evand> cjwatson: indeed
[17:09] <evand> I'll give it another go in other languages
[17:09] <evand> just to be on the safe side
[17:11] <evand> s/other/another/
[17:13] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[17:13] <cjwatson> I don't suppose the problem is just building that enormous list in memory?
[17:14] <evand> perhaps
[20:36] <evand> cjwatson: re 287747> initial testing looks ok, I am unable to reproduce the bug thusfar
[20:37] <evand> I'll keep at it though
[20:48] <cr3> for some reason, when netinstalling the alternate image of ubuntu i386, I now see the main menu instead of having everything preseeded. not sure what might be wrong: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cr3/syslog
[20:52] <cr3> aha! I already see one problem because the wget in the installer environment doesn't seem to support http proxying