/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/23/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Picio.O00:07
Seeker`yes?00:08
PiciSeeker`: Was in response to jdong 00:11
Seeker`Pici: Specifically his last comment? Or just in general?00:27
ubottuIn ubottu, scientus said: !dangerous is !danger01:15
LjLi did that already...01:17
LjL!dangerous01:17
ubottuDO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!01:17
genii@login02:21
ubottuThe operation succeeded.02:21
geniiGood evening/morning/afternoon02:21
jribola genii02:21
FlannelHowdy genii 02:22
geniiHi jrib and Flannel02:22
Flannelgenii: Have you set up ubottu with your hostmask?02:23
mxiiawhen do i get unbanned !?02:23
geniiFlannel: Probably not02:23
mxiiafrom #ubuntu02:23
Flannelmxiia: why were you banned?02:23
geniiFlannel: Is that the "unaffiliated" cloak thing?02:23
Flannelgenii: I'll tell you in a bit, but no02:23
geniiOK02:24
mxiiaspam i think02:24
Flannelmxiia: and why should we unban you?02:25
mxiiaidk, i'll promise not to spam again02:28
Flannelmxiia: Fair enough.02:29
LjLmxiia, read this carefully please (all the items that it gives)02:29
LjL!etiquette02:29
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !Caps, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...02:29
LjLwhen you're finished, ask someone here to unban you (since i'm going to bed myself)02:29
LjL-- if you're fine with respecting those rules, that is.02:29
mxiiaok, can you unban me now?02:30
Flannelmxiia: Have you read the code of conduct?02:31
mxiiayes02:31
Flannelmxiia: While I'm unbanning, mind summarizing it for me?02:31
Flanneljust a sentence or two will suffice.02:31
mxiiaIt stated that the helpers in #ubuntu are voulenteers and should be treated with respect. not to ask a question multiple times, change nicknames alot, speak non-english langueages etc.02:32
Flannelmxiia: I was talking in regards to the code of conduct specifically, not the rest.02:33
mxiiaOh, no flooding, don't use public away messages don't abuse the bots, whilest helping, actually help dont be a jerk02:34
FlannelThats IRC guidelines, but you're getting warmer.02:35
Flannel!coc | mxiia 02:35
ubottumxiia: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/02:35
FlannelLjL: 5 minute power naps, eh?02:35
mxiiaIt essentially said treat others, especially the helpers with respect02:37
Flannelmxiia: Indeed it does.02:38
Flannelmxiia: Alright, go ahead and try joining #ubuntu now02:38
mxiiaok, thanks, I got in, I'll be better :)02:39
Flannelmxiia: Thank you02:39
Flannelmxiia: Anything else we can help you with tonight?02:39
mxiiaNo, I got my problem solved in #ubuntu+1 b/c it concerned 8.1002:40
mxiiabut thankyou02:40
Flannelmxiia: if not, we ask that people don't idle in here.02:41
mxiiaOk, I'll leave02:41
* genii sips his coffee ...er... beer02:43
geniiFlannel: So this hostmask thing. I connect from various times from about 6 different sites. I pick the main one or so to use?02:44
Flannelgenii: You always identify with nickserv right, and get your cloak?02:45
geniiYup02:45
Flannelgenii: you'd have ubottu recognize you via cloak, so you don't have to use the password, etc.02:45
geniiIt seems to be able to identd me from my home connection (static IP)02:45
geniiWhich I'm on now02:46
geniiBut no others02:46
FlannelMmmm, now Ive gotta remember my supybot commands02:46
Flannelgenii: You might ask jussio1 about it, since that shouldn't be the case (since it should recognize you by your cloak).  I'd say we can try some stuff, but don't want to make more work for jussio1 when we break stuff ;)02:47
geniiFlannel: So I suppose this then immediately applies the cloak so that your actual connection info is not known for the brief time between connecting and nickserv login?02:47
Flannelgenii: Nah, ubottu doesn't do the cloak stuff.  But I guess what it means right now is its recognizing you from when youre uncloaked, probably.02:48
geniiOK02:49
geniiInteresting. Only 4 netsplit casulaties here03:24
genii*casualties03:24
jribunfortunately, we seem to have lost ubottu03:25
Flanneljust rejoined in -ot03:25
geniiStrangely yes. I didn't know the splits kicked the bot03:25
Flannelgenii: Don't kick it, just... happens to be on that server.03:26
geniiAh03:26
naliothgenii: a netsplit is actually that.  when the routing fails between servers03:27
geniinalioth: Due to congestion?03:27
Flannelgenii: the big truck gets a flat tire03:27
geniiheh03:27
naliothgenii: there are many reasons03:28
Flannelweeee03:28
geniiPoor ubottu03:29
geniiAlthough he seemed to stay around this time, must be on a different server03:29
FlannelInteresting goings on with Floodbot in -monitor03:43
Flannelping jussio103:43
geniiApparently I need to be invited to that channel :)03:44
geniiProbably I don't need to know what goes on there anyhow03:44
Flannelgenii: Its useful sometimes, but right now the only thing going on in there is spam03:44
geniiAh, OK03:45
Piciagain04:26
geniiThis really bugs me: "HELP ME WITH  <insert something here> or I might as well go back to Windows"04:54
geniiSorry for ranting04:54
naliothlet them go04:56
geniiHehe, i'm sorely tempted04:57
geniiI did already tell them something like: What operating system you choose to use is your prerogative. Have you tried <insert a fix suggestion here>04:58
geniiAt least they calmed down some04:58
* genii sips his beer06:57
ikoniajussio1: ubottu's gone on a crazy part10:03
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=== elky is now known as elky_work
jrib!iso12:24
ikoniabots dead12:27
ikoniaprodded jussio1 about it already12:28
PriceChildlet me take a look12:29
ikoniaahh good man12:29
elkbuntui just had a look, PriceChild.12:29
PriceChildikonia: any on the council should be able to restart it12:30
ikoniaPriceChild thank you12:30
Seeker`PriceChild: did a new council member ever get elected?13:02
PriceChildSeeker`: I haven't heard anything yet.13:21
Seeker`PriceChild: Weren't you sorting out the election?13:23
elkbuntu* Received a DCC CHAT offer from supravat13:25
elkbuntunow have a ping from the same moron13:25
gnomefreakwho left the council?13:44
elkbuntugnomefreak, dennis13:44
gnomefreakoh ok13:44
ikoniaopinion - is it acceptable to forward tdawgedogg in here, he's using debian and keeps asking for support, he waits until he thinks people forgot then asks again but won't acknowledge to stop13:44
gnomefreakknew that, i thought someone else left13:44
gnomefreakikonia: why not forward him to #debian?13:45
ikoniagnomefreak: seems a bit rude ?13:45
gnomefreakikonia: isnt it rude to not listen?13:45
ikoniaI'm trying to "talk" to him to make him understand by I beleive he understadns fine and just doesn't want to ackolwedge13:46
ikoniaahh he's started responding13:47
gnomefreak:)13:47
ikoniahe's still not joined debian, I know he'll just wait another hour then ask again13:47
gnomefreakwell if you forward him here atleasr we can tell him <plus he stops asking in #ubuntu>13:48
ikoniaif he asks again I will, basiclly from what I read in #debian he was a bit of a pain so they told him to go away, then he started asking in here13:49
gnomefreakikonia: what is the problem hes having?13:50
* gnomefreak not paying attention to #ubuntu atm13:51
ikoniagnomefreak fair few13:51
gnomefreakah13:51
ikoniahe's going nuts in pm now asking how he's supposed to get support as the debian people are all idiots and don't know anythign, but won't help a "noob" like him13:54
ikoniasort of contradicts its'self13:54
gnomefreakikonia: #debian on their new server (not really new anymore) should be more of a help14:02
ikoniait's fine he's gone to freenode #debian14:02
gnomefreakgood 14:02
ikoniahe was on the OTC server and getting attitude (or so he says) the guys in debian seem to be helping him fine14:02
ikoniatotal jerk in pm, but we got there in the end14:03
LjjjLreally?14:03
LjjjLthere's an imminent catastrophe coming then14:03
LjjjLa monster earthquake or something14:03
ikoniaI wouldn't say that14:03
gnomefreakim betting the reason they were "idiots" was due to the question he asked/way he asked/his attitude14:04
* gnomefreak never has issues in #debian on OTC14:04
ikoniafrom what I saw at his earlier #debian attempt he wasn't being helpful when asked questions in more detail14:05
ikoniano biggy, he seems to have got with it now14:05
Myrttiörp14:21
* Seeker` wonders if LjL got attacked by a couple of j's14:47
ikoniaLjjjL:#s use of nicks is getting more random and more letters by the day14:51
Seeker`I was wondering iI was wondering if the "L"s are breeding with each other and producing more "j"s14:55
Dave2mwin 75114:56
Seeker`Dave2's failcount for today: 75114:56
Dave2far kore than that, suerlty?14:56
Dave2more, sturely.14:56
Dave2surely.14:56
Seeker`75314:57
LjjjLi'm on the darn eeepc15:00
Seeker`not any more he isn''t15:09
geniiGood morning/afternoon/evening15:24
Myrttigenii: "moin" or "$timeofday"15:31
geniiMyrtti: Here it's morning but of course not everyone is in the same time zone :)15:46
Myrttigenii: "moin" has been approved years ago as the general all purpose greeting :-)15:47
Myrtti"a wild mixture of Finnish moi, morning and evening"15:47
geniiInteresting15:48
geniiCunning Finns ;)15:48
Myrtti"with a splash of French"15:48
jdongI thought it was that thing that takes 5 minutes to load a page?15:48
ubottuIn #ubuntu, admin_masu3701 said: ubottu: the paste link is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/61553/16:17
PriceChildSeeker`: was forwarded to the cc to finalise candidates as per our governance doc.18:09
naliothchocolate cows18:10
Seeker`PriceChild: ah, k18:10
Seeker`nalioth: quite18:10
PriceChildTrumpets!18:10
geniiHmm, chocolate cows and trumpets18:19
naliothcc = chocolate cows18:21
naliothnot sure where the trumpets come in18:21
geniiMe either18:21
geniiI fact I'm quite sure also I'm in the dark about chocolate cows as well18:24
naliothgenii: cc = chocolate Cows18:25
naliothnever mind18:25
geniinalioth: I'm imagining cc is actually short for Chocolate Cows which is some slang name for an Ubuntu governing body or so. But maybe I'm far off the mark18:27
naliothno, i'm just being stupidly poetic18:27
* nalioth goes off to graze elsewhere18:27
ubottuIn #ubuntu, rakgenius said: ubottu: grub is der ..but os isnt bootin19:13
naliothI know all of you ladies are overqualified, but there is a new group here on freenode "Glorious Ladies of Free Software" and they'd welcome any ladies who resemble that remark in #glofsa19:25
christel:)19:31
christelelkbuntu, Myrtti ^^ re: what nalioth said, its a FSF initiative aimed at trying to get more women involved, now, ive just joined the channel myself so im not very familiar with it -- but if you want, im sure you'd be great additions to the regular userbase, for fielding questions and all that jazz19:33
naliothchristel: ya gotta ping elky_work, too19:33
christel:)19:34
sasuke781theres no way everyone here is an op....19:35
naliothsasuke781: no, just the voiced ones19:36
sasuke781.....well i dont want to talk to you19:36
sasuke781your just as bad as the person i had a problem with19:36
naliothsasuke781: i suspect your attitude isn't gonna get you very far19:37
christelsasuke781: would you like to speak with me?19:38
sasuke781someone that isnt going to be rude yes19:39
christelwell, i dont think i would be rude, otoh, nor would i accept rudeness19:39
christelbut if that brings us on to the same page, then im happy to try help19:39
sasuke781well first off...theres nalioth19:40
sasuke781and second its really annoying to go in and ask a question and the damn bot gives you answers19:40
sasuke781if i wanted to talk to bots i would join #bots19:41
sasuke781that pretty much sums up my problems19:42
sasuke781help or not....my issues were said19:42
christeli presume by bots giving answer you refer to triggered responses by ubottu?19:42
sasuke781no...someone was triggering but it went away so fast i couldnt get a name19:42
christelthe bot has certain stock responses on certain topics, which can be triggered, these are usually well thought out answers to frequently asked questions19:43
sasuke781not for mine19:43
christeland it will have been triggered by someone wishing to help19:43
sasuke781i came because i know of NO easy way to install my theme19:44
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sasuke781so i came to #ubuntu and thought i would give the channel another go...since the same thing happened last time and i left the whole server because of abusive staff19:44
christelnow the responses dont help in all cases, however, thats where you can say "thanks but that doesnt really answer my question.. blah blah" and if someone knows the answer, then im sure they'd try help19:44
sasuke781well im telling you its damn annoying for a bot to answer someone19:45
christelhowever, the vast majority of people who help out in the channel are, as you, regular users of the distribution -- they wont hold all the answers, and they may not respond really fast19:45
sasuke781im sure im not the first to say it19:45
christelthey are however, people who choose to volunteer their time and knowledge to trying to help others use it19:46
christeland those who also are developers or contributors in any other way, are also volunteers19:46
sasuke781so where does rude staff come in19:46
Myrttisasuke781: it's also very annoying to type the same answers to same questions day in and day out. The usage of the bot is not meant to be annoying but to help everyone19:46
christeltheyre not infallible, theyre not all knowing.. they're simply regular people trying to help out with little or no thanks :)19:47
Myrttimost people don't have problems with the bot giving out some answers.19:47
christelsasuke781: well, based on what i saw in backlog both in #ubuntu, #freenode and in here -- you were being rather aggressive19:47
christeland most people will go on the defensive when faced with such an attitude19:47
sasuke781well it does when i said that it wont help19:47
sasuke781aggresive how >_>19:48
sasuke781so thats how you tell your staff to respond?19:48
christelwell, calling someone an ass isn't exactly the best way to get help from anyone19:48
sasuke781well just stating a fact19:49
sasuke781he was rude for no reason19:49
sasuke781i had a problem and he was rude19:49
Myrttiand that justified you to be rude in response?19:49
Myrttiooh.19:49
Myrttithis is new.19:49
sasuke781when someone is on the defensive from rudeness you dont respond with more rudeness >_>19:49
sasuke781yea it did Myrtti19:50
christelstating a fact? well, why on earth would anyone help you if you approach them that way? 19:50
sasuke781because i was nice, and then i got a smartass answer, i didnt deserve that19:50
sasuke781i came for help19:50
sasuke781not to be abused by staff19:51
MyrttiI'm fairly sure I don't want to see the logs.19:51
christelsure, its frustrating not to be able to work out how to do something, and more so when you dont get any useful answers -- but being rude and abusive towards people just because they dont have the answers you're after.. well, just isnt on :)19:51
sasuke781you can see the logs, theres nothing "aggressive" from me19:51
sasuke781they never gave me an answer....this is my whole point....the stupid bot did19:52
sasuke781and it wasnt an answer that would help me either19:52
Myrttisasuke781: having known christel for years, I take her word it19:52
sasuke781guides have to fit the situation19:52
sasuke781LOOK ENOUGH, i stated my issue, if you dont want to see even half of this my side then im going to leave, wth is the point of this channel if the staff dont care that another staff was rude19:53
christeli dont see anyone being rude to you, i see that LjL, after repeatedly trying to be helpful answered that *he* couldnt help you with your problem and stating that it was an honest answer19:53
christelyou then parted the channel, joined #freenode and started talking about asses19:54
sasuke781look in #freenode19:54
sasuke781nalioth was rude there with no doubt, you cannot say he wasnt19:54
naliothsasuke781: you might wish to take a break from whatever is stressing you19:54
sasuke781he got ignored...so then he blocked me from talking in #freenode just for spite19:55
christeli dont see nalioth being rude, i saw nalioth dealing with and muting a user (you) who was being rude and causing a disturbance in the channel19:55
sasuke781and nobody ever tried to help me that i could see19:55
sasuke781of course you dont, cause your gonna protect your lil staff member even if he was cought red handed19:56
sasuke781what reason would i have to ignore him if i was lieing about him being rude19:57
sasuke781i dont go around ignoring random people19:57
sasuke781so obviously i had a reason19:57
Myrttiso much negative energy going on19:57
* Myrtti lights up candles19:57
sasuke781see....rudeness yet again19:58
Myrttio_______o19:58
sasuke781your being a smartass and thats rude...thats exactly what nalioth did19:58
Flannelsasuke781: I'm not sure I'd call that rude.  Myrtti's just having a meta-conversation.19:58
christelsasuke781: well, perhaps next time, you can set a good example -- show yourself better than those you feel rude rather than sink to their level19:58
naliothsasuke781: personal attacks do not help you19:58
* Myrtti puts her #ubuntu-ops cheerleader uniform in the closet and puts the ponpons away20:02
Myrtti"who needs positive thinking anyway"20:03
christelaww! dont put it away -- id love to see that :o20:03
christel:D20:03
pleia2hehe20:03
Myrttisasuke781: I find it odd that you made an assumption that I was trying to be a smartass or rude.20:15
sasuke781i felt you were being a smartass in the way that, "oh...he has a problem with a staff member...and nothing will be done about it"20:16
sasuke781and then nalioth, "dont let the door hit you"....hows that not being a smartass....20:17
Myrttiand since you made that assumption that I was being a smartass, you decided to be rude to me.20:18
Myrttiwhile all I was trying to do was to bring some other points of view to the discussion, trying to relax the atmosphere a bit so the discussion could be continued with a bit better chances of being productive20:19
sasuke781this is not yoga...this is a staff channel i guess where users are sapose to go for problems20:19
Myrttiso no bullshitting with positive atmosphere... fine20:20
MyrttiI'll get me coat20:20
sasuke781if you wanted to "calm me down" then you and the other staff should have seen my point instead of agreeing with another staff because hes exactly that...staff20:21
sasuke781just because hes staff doesnt make him or his actions correct20:21
Myrttiwhat I'm seeing you doing here is exactly what the other members of staff have told me you've done on other channels20:21
Myrttihows that for a paradox20:22
sasuke781and whats that >_>20:22
sasuke781what is it that im doing thats soooo wrong20:22
LjLcute, you've been going on for 50 minutes about the fact that i replied "no" to a question?20:22
sasuke781SEE20:23
christelthis isnt the time to make a joke about how no means yes is it? :)20:23
sasuke781rudeness20:23
LjLchristel: uhm, i wouldn't mind it myself, but...20:23
LjLsasuke781: wait, where?!20:23
sasuke781both of you are ignored....i dont have to put up with any rude people...staff included20:24
Myrttisasuke781: so now that you're ignoring people who might be able to help you...20:25
sasuke781not you20:25
Myrttiyou're just digging the hole underneath you deeper20:26
sasuke781no your trying to dig it for me20:27
MyrttiI am? *sigh*20:27
MyrttiI see I'm making no progress here, and since it's quite late and I'm getting tired, I give up20:27
christelwell, i certainly see no reason why users or staff should have to put up with rude people20:27
LjLerr, what20:28
christeli concur20:28
naliothok, folks.  ignoring staff is a "BAD IDEA(tm)"20:28
* LjL goes back to his corner20:28
naliothespecially the HOS20:28
christelstop calling me a ho :(20:29
christeloh i see20:29
christel<- thick!20:29
GazzaKhehe20:29
Myrttioh, I got that now too20:29
Myrttichristel: see, I'm thicker than you20:29
christelaww!20:30
LjLso, let's see what i've done today... i haven't banned some fellow, i haven't been rude with them, and eventually i haven't discussed the issue with them and haven't made them leave -ops20:30
LjLit's good for a change20:30
christelLjL: well, you neglected to answer his question! ;)20:31
christeloffense that you know20:31
LjLpoor soul, i was so mean to him20:32
LjLsince of course i know everything about Vista themes for GTK20:32
LjL(considering i'm a KDE user too)20:32
christelwhy yes! you should know everything20:32
LjLthat's my dad20:32
christelaah ;)20:33
Myrttioooohhhggghhhh a muscle cramp on my foot20:35
christel!20:36
Myrttitoes curl up :-<20:37
christelaww :(20:38
LjLFlannel: you're an op and you admitted a mistake, that's a no no!20:41
* LjL ducks20:41
FlannelLjL: I'm not an op there20:41
LjLaah20:41
FlannelLjL: so, it makes it better ;)20:42
FlannelLjL: Not a mistake, just an addendum20:43
ikoniaLjL: +o20:48
ikoniawhat the devil is mgroman going on about ??20:58
LjLikonia: known troll21:00
ikoniaoh21:08
naliothCHOO CHOO23:10
AndrewBwoo woo?23:11
ikoniahas he been a problem in other channels too23:13
naliothwhich is why he caught the CHOO CHOO TWAIN23:17

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