[00:07] <Pici> o.O
[00:08] <Seeker`> yes?
[00:11] <Pici> Seeker`: Was in response to jdong 
[00:27] <Seeker`> Pici: Specifically his last comment? Or just in general?
[01:17] <LjL> i did that already...
[01:17] <LjL> !dangerous
[02:21] <genii> @login
[02:21] <genii> Good evening/morning/afternoon
[02:21] <jrib> ola genii
[02:22] <Flannel> Howdy genii 
[02:22] <genii> Hi jrib and Flannel
[02:23] <Flannel> genii: Have you set up ubottu with your hostmask?
[02:23] <mxiia> when do i get unbanned !?
[02:23] <genii> Flannel: Probably not
[02:23] <mxiia> from #ubuntu
[02:23] <Flannel> mxiia: why were you banned?
[02:23] <genii> Flannel: Is that the "unaffiliated" cloak thing?
[02:23] <Flannel> genii: I'll tell you in a bit, but no
[02:24] <genii> OK
[02:24] <mxiia> spam i think
[02:25] <Flannel> mxiia: and why should we unban you?
[02:28] <mxiia> idk, i'll promise not to spam again
[02:29] <Flannel> mxiia: Fair enough.
[02:29] <LjL> mxiia, read this carefully please (all the items that it gives)
[02:29] <LjL> !etiquette
[02:29] <LjL> when you're finished, ask someone here to unban you (since i'm going to bed myself)
[02:29] <LjL> -- if you're fine with respecting those rules, that is.
[02:30] <mxiia> ok, can you unban me now?
[02:31] <Flannel> mxiia: Have you read the code of conduct?
[02:31] <mxiia> yes
[02:31] <Flannel> mxiia: While I'm unbanning, mind summarizing it for me?
[02:31] <Flannel> just a sentence or two will suffice.
[02:32] <mxiia> It stated that the helpers in #ubuntu are voulenteers and should be treated with respect. not to ask a question multiple times, change nicknames alot, speak non-english langueages etc.
[02:33] <Flannel> mxiia: I was talking in regards to the code of conduct specifically, not the rest.
[02:34] <mxiia> Oh, no flooding, don't use public away messages don't abuse the bots, whilest helping, actually help dont be a jerk
[02:35] <Flannel> Thats IRC guidelines, but you're getting warmer.
[02:35] <Flannel> !coc | mxiia 
[02:35] <Flannel> LjL: 5 minute power naps, eh?
[02:37] <mxiia> It essentially said treat others, especially the helpers with respect
[02:38] <Flannel> mxiia: Indeed it does.
[02:38] <Flannel> mxiia: Alright, go ahead and try joining #ubuntu now
[02:39] <mxiia> ok, thanks, I got in, I'll be better :)
[02:39] <Flannel> mxiia: Thank you
[02:39] <Flannel> mxiia: Anything else we can help you with tonight?
[02:40] <mxiia> No, I got my problem solved in #ubuntu+1 b/c it concerned 8.10
[02:40] <mxiia> but thankyou
[02:41] <Flannel> mxiia: if not, we ask that people don't idle in here.
[02:41] <mxiia> Ok, I'll leave
[02:43]  * genii sips his coffee ...er... beer
[02:44] <genii> Flannel: So this hostmask thing. I connect from various times from about 6 different sites. I pick the main one or so to use?
[02:45] <Flannel> genii: You always identify with nickserv right, and get your cloak?
[02:45] <genii> Yup
[02:45] <Flannel> genii: you'd have ubottu recognize you via cloak, so you don't have to use the password, etc.
[02:45] <genii> It seems to be able to identd me from my home connection (static IP)
[02:46] <genii> Which I'm on now
[02:46] <genii> But no others
[02:46] <Flannel> Mmmm, now Ive gotta remember my supybot commands
[02:47] <Flannel> genii: You might ask jussio1 about it, since that shouldn't be the case (since it should recognize you by your cloak).  I'd say we can try some stuff, but don't want to make more work for jussio1 when we break stuff ;)
[02:47] <genii> Flannel: So I suppose this then immediately applies the cloak so that your actual connection info is not known for the brief time between connecting and nickserv login?
[02:48] <Flannel> genii: Nah, ubottu doesn't do the cloak stuff.  But I guess what it means right now is its recognizing you from when youre uncloaked, probably.
[02:49] <genii> OK
[03:24] <genii> Interesting. Only 4 netsplit casulaties here
[03:24] <genii> *casualties
[03:25] <jrib> unfortunately, we seem to have lost ubottu
[03:25] <Flannel> just rejoined in -ot
[03:25] <genii> Strangely yes. I didn't know the splits kicked the bot
[03:26] <Flannel> genii: Don't kick it, just... happens to be on that server.
[03:26] <genii> Ah
[03:27] <nalioth> genii: a netsplit is actually that.  when the routing fails between servers
[03:27] <genii> nalioth: Due to congestion?
[03:27] <Flannel> genii: the big truck gets a flat tire
[03:27] <genii> heh
[03:28] <nalioth> genii: there are many reasons
[03:28] <Flannel> weeee
[03:29] <genii> Poor ubottu
[03:29] <genii> Although he seemed to stay around this time, must be on a different server
[03:43] <Flannel> Interesting goings on with Floodbot in -monitor
[03:43] <Flannel> ping jussio1
[03:44] <genii> Apparently I need to be invited to that channel :)
[03:44] <genii> Probably I don't need to know what goes on there anyhow
[03:44] <Flannel> genii: Its useful sometimes, but right now the only thing going on in there is spam
[03:45] <genii> Ah, OK
[04:26] <Pici> again
[04:54] <genii> This really bugs me: "HELP ME WITH  <insert something here> or I might as well go back to Windows"
[04:54] <genii> Sorry for ranting
[04:56] <nalioth> let them go
[04:57] <genii> Hehe, i'm sorely tempted
[04:58] <genii> I did already tell them something like: What operating system you choose to use is your prerogative. Have you tried <insert a fix suggestion here>
[04:58] <genii> At least they calmed down some
[06:57]  * genii sips his beer
[10:03] <ikonia> jussio1: ubottu's gone on a crazy part
[12:24] <jrib> !iso
[12:27] <ikonia> bots dead
[12:28] <ikonia> prodded jussio1 about it already
[12:29] <PriceChild> let me take a look
[12:29] <ikonia> ahh good man
[12:29] <elkbuntu> i just had a look, PriceChild.
[12:30] <PriceChild> ikonia: any on the council should be able to restart it
[12:30] <ikonia> PriceChild thank you
[13:02] <Seeker`> PriceChild: did a new council member ever get elected?
[13:21] <PriceChild> Seeker`: I haven't heard anything yet.
[13:23] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Weren't you sorting out the election?
[13:25] <elkbuntu> * Received a DCC CHAT offer from supravat
[13:25] <elkbuntu> now have a ping from the same moron
[13:44] <gnomefreak> who left the council?
[13:44] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, dennis
[13:44] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[13:44] <ikonia> opinion - is it acceptable to forward tdawgedogg in here, he's using debian and keeps asking for support, he waits until he thinks people forgot then asks again but won't acknowledge to stop
[13:44] <gnomefreak> knew that, i thought someone else left
[13:45] <gnomefreak> ikonia: why not forward him to #debian?
[13:45] <ikonia> gnomefreak: seems a bit rude ?
[13:45] <gnomefreak> ikonia: isnt it rude to not listen?
[13:46] <ikonia> I'm trying to "talk" to him to make him understand by I beleive he understadns fine and just doesn't want to ackolwedge
[13:47] <ikonia> ahh he's started responding
[13:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:47] <ikonia> he's still not joined debian, I know he'll just wait another hour then ask again
[13:48] <gnomefreak> well if you forward him here atleasr we can tell him <plus he stops asking in #ubuntu>
[13:49] <ikonia> if he asks again I will, basiclly from what I read in #debian he was a bit of a pain so they told him to go away, then he started asking in here
[13:50] <gnomefreak> ikonia: what is the problem hes having?
[13:51]  * gnomefreak not paying attention to #ubuntu atm
[13:51] <ikonia> gnomefreak fair few
[13:51] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:54] <ikonia> he's going nuts in pm now asking how he's supposed to get support as the debian people are all idiots and don't know anythign, but won't help a "noob" like him
[13:54] <ikonia> sort of contradicts its'self
[14:02] <gnomefreak> ikonia: #debian on their new server (not really new anymore) should be more of a help
[14:02] <ikonia> it's fine he's gone to freenode #debian
[14:02] <gnomefreak> good 
[14:02] <ikonia> he was on the OTC server and getting attitude (or so he says) the guys in debian seem to be helping him fine
[14:03] <ikonia> total jerk in pm, but we got there in the end
[14:03] <LjjjL> really?
[14:03] <LjjjL> there's an imminent catastrophe coming then
[14:03] <LjjjL> a monster earthquake or something
[14:03] <ikonia> I wouldn't say that
[14:04] <gnomefreak> im betting the reason they were "idiots" was due to the question he asked/way he asked/his attitude
[14:04]  * gnomefreak never has issues in #debian on OTC
[14:05] <ikonia> from what I saw at his earlier #debian attempt he wasn't being helpful when asked questions in more detail
[14:05] <ikonia> no biggy, he seems to have got with it now
[14:21] <Myrtti> örp
[14:47]  * Seeker` wonders if LjL got attacked by a couple of j's
[14:51] <ikonia> LjjjL:#s use of nicks is getting more random and more letters by the day
[14:55] <Seeker`> I was wondering iI was wondering if the "L"s are breeding with each other and producing more "j"s
[14:56] <Dave2> mwin 751
[14:56] <Seeker`> Dave2's failcount for today: 751
[14:56] <Dave2> far kore than that, suerlty?
[14:56] <Dave2> more, sturely.
[14:56] <Dave2> surely.
[14:57] <Seeker`> 753
[15:00] <LjjjL> i'm on the darn eeepc
[15:09] <Seeker`> not any more he isn''t
[15:24] <genii> Good morning/afternoon/evening
[15:31] <Myrtti> genii: "moin" or "$timeofday"
[15:46] <genii> Myrtti: Here it's morning but of course not everyone is in the same time zone :)
[15:47] <Myrtti> genii: "moin" has been approved years ago as the general all purpose greeting :-)
[15:47] <Myrtti> "a wild mixture of Finnish moi, morning and evening"
[15:48] <genii> Interesting
[15:48] <genii> Cunning Finns ;)
[15:48] <Myrtti> "with a splash of French"
[15:48] <jdong> I thought it was that thing that takes 5 minutes to load a page?
[18:09] <PriceChild> Seeker`: was forwarded to the cc to finalise candidates as per our governance doc.
[18:10] <nalioth> chocolate cows
[18:10] <Seeker`> PriceChild: ah, k
[18:10] <Seeker`> nalioth: quite
[18:10] <PriceChild> Trumpets!
[18:19] <genii> Hmm, chocolate cows and trumpets
[18:21] <nalioth> cc = chocolate cows
[18:21] <nalioth> not sure where the trumpets come in
[18:21] <genii> Me either
[18:24] <genii> I fact I'm quite sure also I'm in the dark about chocolate cows as well
[18:25] <nalioth> genii: cc = chocolate Cows
[18:25] <nalioth> never mind
[18:27] <genii> nalioth: I'm imagining cc is actually short for Chocolate Cows which is some slang name for an Ubuntu governing body or so. But maybe I'm far off the mark
[18:27] <nalioth> no, i'm just being stupidly poetic
[18:27]  * nalioth goes off to graze elsewhere
[19:25] <nalioth> I know all of you ladies are overqualified, but there is a new group here on freenode "Glorious Ladies of Free Software" and they'd welcome any ladies who resemble that remark in #glofsa
[19:31] <christel> :)
[19:33] <christel> elkbuntu, Myrtti ^^ re: what nalioth said, its a FSF initiative aimed at trying to get more women involved, now, ive just joined the channel myself so im not very familiar with it -- but if you want, im sure you'd be great additions to the regular userbase, for fielding questions and all that jazz
[19:33] <nalioth> christel: ya gotta ping elky_work, too
[19:34] <christel> :)
[19:35] <sasuke781> theres no way everyone here is an op....
[19:36] <nalioth> sasuke781: no, just the voiced ones
[19:36] <sasuke781> .....well i dont want to talk to you
[19:36] <sasuke781> your just as bad as the person i had a problem with
[19:37] <nalioth> sasuke781: i suspect your attitude isn't gonna get you very far
[19:38] <christel> sasuke781: would you like to speak with me?
[19:39] <sasuke781> someone that isnt going to be rude yes
[19:39] <christel> well, i dont think i would be rude, otoh, nor would i accept rudeness
[19:39] <christel> but if that brings us on to the same page, then im happy to try help
[19:40] <sasuke781> well first off...theres nalioth
[19:40] <sasuke781> and second its really annoying to go in and ask a question and the damn bot gives you answers
[19:41] <sasuke781> if i wanted to talk to bots i would join #bots
[19:42] <sasuke781> that pretty much sums up my problems
[19:42] <sasuke781> help or not....my issues were said
[19:42] <christel> i presume by bots giving answer you refer to triggered responses by ubottu?
[19:42] <sasuke781> no...someone was triggering but it went away so fast i couldnt get a name
[19:43] <christel> the bot has certain stock responses on certain topics, which can be triggered, these are usually well thought out answers to frequently asked questions
[19:43] <sasuke781> not for mine
[19:43] <christel> and it will have been triggered by someone wishing to help
[19:44] <sasuke781> i came because i know of NO easy way to install my theme
[19:44] <sasuke781> so i came to #ubuntu and thought i would give the channel another go...since the same thing happened last time and i left the whole server because of abusive staff
[19:44] <christel> now the responses dont help in all cases, however, thats where you can say "thanks but that doesnt really answer my question.. blah blah" and if someone knows the answer, then im sure they'd try help
[19:45] <sasuke781> well im telling you its damn annoying for a bot to answer someone
[19:45] <christel> however, the vast majority of people who help out in the channel are, as you, regular users of the distribution -- they wont hold all the answers, and they may not respond really fast
[19:45] <sasuke781> im sure im not the first to say it
[19:46] <christel> they are however, people who choose to volunteer their time and knowledge to trying to help others use it
[19:46] <christel> and those who also are developers or contributors in any other way, are also volunteers
[19:46] <sasuke781> so where does rude staff come in
[19:46] <Myrtti> sasuke781: it's also very annoying to type the same answers to same questions day in and day out. The usage of the bot is not meant to be annoying but to help everyone
[19:47] <christel> theyre not infallible, theyre not all knowing.. they're simply regular people trying to help out with little or no thanks :)
[19:47] <Myrtti> most people don't have problems with the bot giving out some answers.
[19:47] <christel> sasuke781: well, based on what i saw in backlog both in #ubuntu, #freenode and in here -- you were being rather aggressive
[19:47] <christel> and most people will go on the defensive when faced with such an attitude
[19:47] <sasuke781> well it does when i said that it wont help
[19:48] <sasuke781> aggresive how >_>
[19:48] <sasuke781> so thats how you tell your staff to respond?
[19:48] <christel> well, calling someone an ass isn't exactly the best way to get help from anyone
[19:49] <sasuke781> well just stating a fact
[19:49] <sasuke781> he was rude for no reason
[19:49] <sasuke781> i had a problem and he was rude
[19:49] <Myrtti> and that justified you to be rude in response?
[19:49] <Myrtti> ooh.
[19:49] <Myrtti> this is new.
[19:49] <sasuke781> when someone is on the defensive from rudeness you dont respond with more rudeness >_>
[19:50] <sasuke781> yea it did Myrtti
[19:50] <christel> stating a fact? well, why on earth would anyone help you if you approach them that way? 
[19:50] <sasuke781> because i was nice, and then i got a smartass answer, i didnt deserve that
[19:50] <sasuke781> i came for help
[19:51] <sasuke781> not to be abused by staff
[19:51] <Myrtti> I'm fairly sure I don't want to see the logs.
[19:51] <christel> sure, its frustrating not to be able to work out how to do something, and more so when you dont get any useful answers -- but being rude and abusive towards people just because they dont have the answers you're after.. well, just isnt on :)
[19:51] <sasuke781> you can see the logs, theres nothing "aggressive" from me
[19:52] <sasuke781> they never gave me an answer....this is my whole point....the stupid bot did
[19:52] <sasuke781> and it wasnt an answer that would help me either
[19:52] <Myrtti> sasuke781: having known christel for years, I take her word it
[19:52] <sasuke781> guides have to fit the situation
[19:53] <sasuke781> LOOK ENOUGH, i stated my issue, if you dont want to see even half of this my side then im going to leave, wth is the point of this channel if the staff dont care that another staff was rude
[19:53] <christel> i dont see anyone being rude to you, i see that LjL, after repeatedly trying to be helpful answered that *he* couldnt help you with your problem and stating that it was an honest answer
[19:54] <christel> you then parted the channel, joined #freenode and started talking about asses
[19:54] <sasuke781> look in #freenode
[19:54] <sasuke781> nalioth was rude there with no doubt, you cannot say he wasnt
[19:54] <nalioth> sasuke781: you might wish to take a break from whatever is stressing you
[19:55] <sasuke781> he got ignored...so then he blocked me from talking in #freenode just for spite
[19:55] <christel> i dont see nalioth being rude, i saw nalioth dealing with and muting a user (you) who was being rude and causing a disturbance in the channel
[19:55] <sasuke781> and nobody ever tried to help me that i could see
[19:56] <sasuke781> of course you dont, cause your gonna protect your lil staff member even if he was cought red handed
[19:57] <sasuke781> what reason would i have to ignore him if i was lieing about him being rude
[19:57] <sasuke781> i dont go around ignoring random people
[19:57] <sasuke781> so obviously i had a reason
[19:57] <Myrtti> so much negative energy going on
[19:57]  * Myrtti lights up candles
[19:58] <sasuke781> see....rudeness yet again
[19:58] <Myrtti> o_______o
[19:58] <sasuke781> your being a smartass and thats rude...thats exactly what nalioth did
[19:58] <Flannel> sasuke781: I'm not sure I'd call that rude.  Myrtti's just having a meta-conversation.
[19:58] <christel> sasuke781: well, perhaps next time, you can set a good example -- show yourself better than those you feel rude rather than sink to their level
[19:58] <nalioth> sasuke781: personal attacks do not help you
[20:02]  * Myrtti puts her #ubuntu-ops cheerleader uniform in the closet and puts the ponpons away
[20:03] <Myrtti> "who needs positive thinking anyway"
[20:03] <christel> aww! dont put it away -- id love to see that :o
[20:03] <christel> :D
[20:03] <pleia2> hehe
[20:15] <Myrtti> sasuke781: I find it odd that you made an assumption that I was trying to be a smartass or rude.
[20:16] <sasuke781> i felt you were being a smartass in the way that, "oh...he has a problem with a staff member...and nothing will be done about it"
[20:17] <sasuke781> and then nalioth, "dont let the door hit you"....hows that not being a smartass....
[20:18] <Myrtti> and since you made that assumption that I was being a smartass, you decided to be rude to me.
[20:19] <Myrtti> while all I was trying to do was to bring some other points of view to the discussion, trying to relax the atmosphere a bit so the discussion could be continued with a bit better chances of being productive
[20:19] <sasuke781> this is not yoga...this is a staff channel i guess where users are sapose to go for problems
[20:20] <Myrtti> so no bullshitting with positive atmosphere... fine
[20:20] <Myrtti> I'll get me coat
[20:21] <sasuke781> if you wanted to "calm me down" then you and the other staff should have seen my point instead of agreeing with another staff because hes exactly that...staff
[20:21] <sasuke781> just because hes staff doesnt make him or his actions correct
[20:21] <Myrtti> what I'm seeing you doing here is exactly what the other members of staff have told me you've done on other channels
[20:22] <Myrtti> hows that for a paradox
[20:22] <sasuke781> and whats that >_>
[20:22] <sasuke781> what is it that im doing thats soooo wrong
[20:22] <LjL> cute, you've been going on for 50 minutes about the fact that i replied "no" to a question?
[20:23] <sasuke781> SEE
[20:23] <christel> this isnt the time to make a joke about how no means yes is it? :)
[20:23] <sasuke781> rudeness
[20:23] <LjL> christel: uhm, i wouldn't mind it myself, but...
[20:23] <LjL> sasuke781: wait, where?!
[20:24] <sasuke781> both of you are ignored....i dont have to put up with any rude people...staff included
[20:25] <Myrtti> sasuke781: so now that you're ignoring people who might be able to help you...
[20:25] <sasuke781> not you
[20:26] <Myrtti> you're just digging the hole underneath you deeper
[20:27] <sasuke781> no your trying to dig it for me
[20:27] <Myrtti> I am? *sigh*
[20:27] <Myrtti> I see I'm making no progress here, and since it's quite late and I'm getting tired, I give up
[20:27] <christel> well, i certainly see no reason why users or staff should have to put up with rude people
[20:28] <LjL> err, what
[20:28] <christel> i concur
[20:28] <nalioth> ok, folks.  ignoring staff is a "BAD IDEA(tm)"
[20:28]  * LjL goes back to his corner
[20:28] <nalioth> especially the HOS
[20:29] <christel> stop calling me a ho :(
[20:29] <christel> oh i see
[20:29] <christel> <- thick!
[20:29] <GazzaK> hehe
[20:29] <Myrtti> oh, I got that now too
[20:29] <Myrtti> christel: see, I'm thicker than you
[20:30] <christel> aww!
[20:30] <LjL> so, let's see what i've done today... i haven't banned some fellow, i haven't been rude with them, and eventually i haven't discussed the issue with them and haven't made them leave -ops
[20:30] <LjL> it's good for a change
[20:31] <christel> LjL: well, you neglected to answer his question! ;)
[20:31] <christel> offense that you know
[20:32] <LjL> poor soul, i was so mean to him
[20:32] <LjL> since of course i know everything about Vista themes for GTK
[20:32] <LjL> (considering i'm a KDE user too)
[20:32] <christel> why yes! you should know everything
[20:32] <LjL> that's my dad
[20:33] <christel> aah ;)
[20:35] <Myrtti> oooohhhggghhhh a muscle cramp on my foot
[20:36] <christel> !
[20:37] <Myrtti> toes curl up :-<
[20:38] <christel> aww :(
[20:41] <LjL> Flannel: you're an op and you admitted a mistake, that's a no no!
[20:41]  * LjL ducks
[20:41] <Flannel> LjL: I'm not an op there
[20:41] <LjL> aah
[20:42] <Flannel> LjL: so, it makes it better ;)
[20:43] <Flannel> LjL: Not a mistake, just an addendum
[20:48] <ikonia> LjL: +o
[20:58] <ikonia> what the devil is mgroman going on about ??
[21:00] <LjL> ikonia: known troll
[21:08] <ikonia> oh
[23:10] <nalioth> CHOO CHOO
[23:11] <AndrewB> woo woo?
[23:13] <ikonia> has he been a problem in other channels too
[23:17] <nalioth> which is why he caught the CHOO CHOO TWAIN