/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/23/#xubuntu.txt

knome;)00:00
knomei think i'll sleep now. good night everybody!00:00
mib_aqi5xbHello all02:22
mib_aqi5xbDoes anyone know if you need a hard drive disk in order to properly boot a livecd?02:24
mib_aqi5xbI try without one and it goes to busybox02:24
charlie-tcaI don't think it should be necessary, was that today's CD?02:28
perforatehey all02:34
perforateanother windows convert here02:34
perforateI own a networking business, so I am no slouch to learning new things ,but having trouble networking with windows machines02:35
charlie-tcahey perforate, Welcome to Xubuntu02:35
perforatehave 4 machines currently hooked up now to a 8 port 100/1000 switch02:36
perforatewith a netgear router in front of itit02:36
perforateany help anyone?02:37
charlie-tcaWhat's your question?02:37
perforatehow do I go about configuring  the network ...where do I go02:38
perforateOr start02:38
perforatedo I use network tools to do this02:39
charlie-tca!networking02:39
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about networking02:39
charlie-tca!network02:39
ubottuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:39
perforatenot wireless, but file sharing02:39
charlie-tcaAre you using static IP's02:39
perforatebetween xubuntu and windows machines02:39
perforateno , DHCP02:40
charlie-tcaI use NFS myself, but I have windows machines. You can start with Samba, I think02:40
charlie-tca!samba02:40
ubottuSamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.  Also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/21209802:40
perforateI can set up static behind the router though02:40
charlie-tcaNo point in setting up static as long as DHCP is working.02:40
perforateright02:41
charlie-tcaThere are a couple of links there from ubottu on samba, just click to open them. Also check out02:41
charlie-tcathunar ( file manager ), Go -> Open Location. It should help set up shared folders02:42
perforatethankyou very much, your a great help02:55
charlie-tcaperforate: I hope it helps some. If you have problems, come back and ask. If you just ask a question, someone will see it and answer03:02
perforatethanks all I used to use irc only to "trade" software back and forth ...first time as a useful chat ...thanks all.03:07
charlie-tcaYou're welcome. I'm glad I could help.03:07
=== _RandyboY is now known as RandyboY
lowslungstriderhello! how do I use .pcf and .ttf fonts in xubuntu?03:38
lowslungstrideranyone?03:39
XFCEntralthere should be a download for true type fonts in the repositories, have you picked up any yet?03:40
lowslungstriderno... today is only my first day with xubuntu. :) I don't know much about it. I have a .pcf font that I want to use with an xfce theme, but I can't seem to install it. Can you help me out?03:41
XFCEntrali can sure try! i know that .ttf should be easiest, just: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts03:41
XFCEntrallet me look into .pcf real quick03:42
lowslungstriderthank you... in the meantime, I will try that command in the terminal.03:42
XFCEntralnp. that will include andale mono, arial black, arial, comic sans ms, courier new, georgia, impact, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana, and webdings03:43
lowslungstriderOK, it installed certain fonts. Good.03:43
lowslungstriderI want to install segoeui and calibri.03:44
XFCEntraloh okay03:44
lowslungstriderand also a certain 'lime.pcf' font.03:44
XFCEntralthats right--is calibri the new default from office 2007?03:44
lowslungstriderindeed it is.03:45
XFCEntralhere's a link for installing vista fonts in ubuntu: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/installing-vista-fonts-in-ubuntu/03:47
lowslungstriderawesome!03:47
XFCEntral.pcf font directions: http://www.nazgum.com/2007/12/09/ubuntu-pcf-fonts/03:47
XFCEntralhope that makes it easier for you to work it out, rather than filling up this chat with directions. good luck!03:48
lowslungstriderwoot... thanks a lot! :)03:48
XFCEntralno problem!03:48
XFCEntraland enjoy xubuntu03:48
lowslungstriderI most certainly will :) I just need to get used to all this command-lining. I am sure I'll be used to it in no time.03:49
lowslungstriderthanks again, adios!03:49
vocal9hey i was trying to install Flock, after taring it how come /.flock doesnt work?03:56
vocal9./flock-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:56
XFCEntraldo you have that dependency downloaded yet?03:57
vocal9no? i just downloaded flock from website and tared it and tried doing this.. what should i aptget?03:58
vocal9i have build essential thats it03:58
XFCEntrallibstdc++.so.5, if thats the exact name of the library file03:58
XFCEntralprobably wont work if its missing the shared libraries it needs03:59
vocal9how can i get those libs03:59
XFCEntraltake that missing library's name and search for it in synaptic. you could apt-get it alternatively04:00
vocal9how can u search apt-get again? -s ?04:03
favroapt-cache search vocal904:06
vocal9xubuntu is pretty slow on this comp..is there maybe a faster browser than firefox/flock ? also any tips on making xubuntu run a bitfaster im on 566mhz / 392 or something ram, p2, 20gb hd04:17
=== Pete_I is now known as Coldhak
Coldhakhow do I tell what vid card I have on this?05:48
Coldhakit's a laptop, so i can't just look at the chip05:49
Mimisudo apt-get install sysinfo   ^_^ Then run   sysinfo05:50
Coldhak:/ lovely, i have an intel graphics card :/05:51
MimiAwww I'm sorry!05:53
MimiWhy is that so bad? ^^05:53
Mimi(btw does anyone know what's the command for the Add/Remove application ? )05:53
vegpuffhi, my monitor is not being detected in xubuntu. screen resolution is 800x600 :( help!06:01
XFCEntralMimi: the command you're looking for is gnome-app-install06:03
XFCEntralbut you may need to prepend that with sudo or gksu06:03
MimiOh yes, thanks :) .. mmmm.... Now I'm wondering why install xubuntu if it's bloated with gnome apps/libs anyway... mmm.... *downloads mini cd)06:04
XFCEntralhaha! ive been noticing that myself, over time...06:04
Coldhakxfce uses less resources to run?06:05
MimiIt does06:05
Coldhaka little bit less06:05
Coldhak'course, you could install compiz to fix that06:06
MimiAh, what a meanie :P06:06
MimiI only use compiz for AWN and for the ADHD pluggin (fade background windows so they are not a distraction)06:07
ColdhakI rm'd compiz. it takes too much cpu/ram, :)06:07
XFCEntralxfce's compos. isnt too bad in my opinion. i dont even use that, but if you wanted drop shadow and to dim out of focus windows, make panels transparent, then it's not bad. quite easy to set up06:08
Mimiim running FF with a gazilion tabs open, epiphany (dont ask why, i dont know) doing intrepid updates, and xchat, and cpu is 10%, memory is 453.2mb ..... Not too bad, eh? (Oh yeah, and compiz and awn on top of that)06:09
ColdhakI really miss the window snapping feature when i move back over to windows. don't even really notice it here though06:10
XFCEntralMimi: what's your chip?06:10
Coldhakit's awesome.06:10
Mimi... you can dim out of focus windows in xfce?!:D06:10
XFCEntralmhm06:10
Coldhakit's a feature of compiz06:10
Coldhaki do like the pretties06:10
XFCEntralSettings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Compositor > Opacity of Inactive Windows (slider)06:11
MimiXFCEntral, Nvidia GeForce 7300, old stuff, I'm sure (assuming thats what you meant)06:11
* Mimi sudo apt-gets xfce*06:12
XFCEntralMimi: I was wondering about you CPU06:12
Coldhak:| that's not old, i just bought that graphics card06:12
MimiOh really :P06:12
Coldhakyeah, like two months ago06:12
MimiI don't know, I bought this dell refurb laptop... a year ago, so I wasnt sure how old it was ^^06:12
XFCEntralhehe and i think xfce's compositor really does a good job, unless you need wobbly windows, things on fire and of course the desktop cube06:13
Mimixfce does that too? Without compiz?06:13
XFCEntralnope, it does the nice things you want and leaves out the bells and whistles like those more complex effects06:13
Coldhaki like the xfce4-terminal's feature of showing the desktop behind06:13
MimiHey if I want fire I'll have a fireplace installed in my apartment :P06:13
XFCEntralyesss06:13
XFCEntral:Coldhak06:13
Coldhakif i turn on the compositor, it shows the windows and crap, instead of the desktop06:14
XFCEntralyeahh it makes it true transparent06:14
MimiI hate that about gnome/compiz....06:14
ColdhakI don't want true transparency though :/06:14
XFCEntralyeahh i like the desktop background alone06:14
XFCEntraleasier to read text and less distracting06:14
XFCEntralstill a nice touch06:14
Mimi.... Since you guys are so helpful, do you have any recomendations which xfce packages I should install?   xfce , xfcec-artwork, xfce-themes,  etc06:15
XFCEntraldid you select xubuntu-desktop06:15
Coldhakthe themes are pretty ii think, but i don't remember which came from where06:15
XFCEntrali think that pulls a lot of important packages06:15
MimiXFCEntral,  won't that install a bunch of stuff I don't need?06:15
Coldhakit would isntstall a bunch of apps other than xfce06:16
XFCEntralif you prefer to pick and choose it might be a bad idea06:16
Mimiyeah XFCEntral  it installs gnumeric, as an example ;p06:16
Coldhakand mousepad06:16
XFCEntralhehe heyy no problem with GNUmeric, and im a business student. lol06:16
MimiOh boy, and network manager *sobs* it would remove my Wicd06:16
XFCEntraleek.06:16
XFCEntralgood call Mimi06:16
MimiXFCEntral,  limited disk space due to me using windows under v.box *gulp06:17
XFCEntralahh06:17
XFCEntrali run Xubuntu on an asus eee. thats approx 600mhz CPU, 512MB RAM and 4GB solid state storage06:17
MimiI hope you have a huge usb disk for your files >.<06:18
XFCEntralill admit i also use an SD card, basically full time. but I've kept disk usage at about 65% which im happy with06:18
Coldhak:/ damn, that's some small specs06:18
XFCEntralhehe06:18
XFCEntralyeahh ive really learned to conserve. i just find that fancy effects and games wont work all that well06:18
ColdhakI'm trying to get World of Warcraft to work06:19
ColdhakAcer Aspire, 80gb hd, 1gb ram06:19
Coldhakit crashes linux :|06:19
XFCEntralusing a restricted driver for your graphics card?06:19
XFCEntralthe only games im comfortable running are the GNOME games and DOOM, or bomberclone... frozen bubble06:20
Coldhakdoesn't appear so06:20
ColdhakI like gnometris on it's lowest graphics setting.06:20
Mimihehe, Guild Wars plays WAY faster and with all the fancy effects on, on Ubuntu than Windows... in Windows, Guild Wars is very sluggish06:21
XFCEntralsimple and entertaining. and it wont crash! luckily haha06:21
Coldhakthere's always nethack06:21
Coldhaki'm sure it'll run on just about anything these days06:21
XFCEntraltrue06:22
Coldhaknope, no restricted drivers06:22
Coldhakwell, not for graphics06:22
XFCEntraltheres a tool you can add to install restricted drivers06:22
Coldhakenvy?06:23
Coldhakwhat tool?06:23
XFCEntralhmm not familiar with it :/ i believe the one im talking about is a standard tool in GNOME/Ubuntu06:23
Coldhakthere's the restricted hardware manager06:23
XFCEntralyes i suppose thats it then06:23
Coldhakit says nothing of graphics though06:24
XFCEntralwhat graphics card do you have?06:24
Coldhakdamn, had that data not an hour ago. i forget the command for it06:26
XFCEntraloh right--the intel card06:26
Coldhakyeah. not sure what that's about. I didn't know intel made vid cards06:26
Coldhaki've only heard of ATI and Nvidia06:27
Coldhakand some old stuff06:27
XFCEntralmaybe nothing shows up for your graphics card because the generic driver might already be sufficient. my card is probably still crap, but because its an ATI, i can use the restricted driver06:27
ColdhakI installed envy, and tried to install an ATI driver(my WoW glitch matches something ATI users get apparently), but envy says i do'nt have an ATI card06:28
XFCEntralhowever i dont use the driver because "we" disagree on what my screen resolution should be. lol ran into issues with that...06:28
Coldhaki start up WoW, and when i get past the loading-world loading screen, the computer crashes06:29
Coldhakmonitor turns on/off and black, then keyboard appears unresponsive06:29
XFCEntralyeahh its the Intel integrated graphics06:30
Coldhak:(06:30
XFCEntralyou said youve enabled an ATI driver?06:30
ColdhakI tried, envy wouldn't install it, because it says I don't have an ATI card06:30
XFCEntraloh okay. well that's probably for the best. haha06:30
XFCEntralapparently Intel graphics aren't that great, and most gaming should require a dedicated card ie from ATI or NVIDIA\06:31
XFCEntral:/06:31
XFCEntraland by "most gaming" i of course do not mean DOOM. things like WoW instead.06:32
Coldhak:'( but I don't get my monitor back for three weeks. I wanna play now and this system's all I've got06:32
Coldhakmy desktop with the expensive, pretty nvidia card is collecting dust without a monitor :(06:33
XFCEntralahh06:33
XFCEntralusing a laptop then?06:33
Coldhakyeah, asus aspire06:33
XFCEntralyeahh thats why06:34
Coldhaki'm in the middle of a move, so i'm sleeping on a cot and using a camping table for a desk.06:34
XFCEntrallooking around on the net, it seems like intel cards fail people on WoW06:34
Coldhaki wants to game damnit :(06:34
XFCEntralman you are roughing it, considering you cant use your powerful box, either haha06:34
Coldhakwell, know of any cool, free games then?06:35
XFCEntralwhat sort are you looking for?06:35
Coldhakhelp me kill some time 'till i get my box back06:35
Coldhakrpg?06:35
XFCEntraladonthell is okay06:35
Coldhakarcade(tetris, etc)06:35
Coldhak?06:35
MimiYou could go look at lolcats06:36
XFCEntralhaha so great06:36
Mimior play supertux! supeeertux!06:36
XFCEntralbomberclone06:36
XFCEntral(bomberman)06:36
ColdhakMimi, no. my friend and I surf 4chan regularly. lolcats are nolonger funny.06:36
Mimiew.  cheeseburger is better, sorry :P06:36
XFCEntrali can haz monitor? haha06:37
Coldhak>:|06:37
XFCEntralColdhak: do you like the vertical scrolling, missile and bomb aircombat games?06:37
XFCEntralclassic arcade stuff06:38
Coldhaksure06:38
XFCEntrali used a game like that before...06:38
XFCEntraland one like galaxian06:38
XFCEntralstraight from the repos06:38
Coldhakchromium?06:38
XFCEntralrings a bell06:38
XFCEntralyes that was it06:38
Coldhakyou lose a life if one gets by. insanely difficult06:39
XFCEntralyeahh likely why i deleted that haha06:39
XFCEntraldo you have frozen bubble?06:39
XFCEntralthats good for at least 25/30 levels for me06:39
Coldhaknot yet06:39
Coldhakthat's a mario clone isn't it?06:40
XFCEntralfrozen bubble? its a puzzle06:40
XFCEntralhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_Bubble06:40
Coldhaklooks interesting, I shall play it :)06:41
XFCEntralits a big favorite, apparently. i like it,t oo06:41
XFCEntralgive it a go!06:42
Coldhaksupertux's still installing06:42
XFCEntralhaha classic. i would like a nice, nearly dead-on accurate rendition of Zelda06:42
Coldhakwhich zelda?06:43
XFCEntralthe original06:43
Coldhakthe gba version's quite different from the n6406:43
Coldhakah, you mean the nes?06:44
XFCEntralyes06:44
ColdhakI didn't really play that one06:44
XFCEntralive got all the versions available over the network on my Wii. up to Twilight princess on disc, of course06:44
ColdhakI did see it though. the graphics were horrible, even for when i saw it06:44
XFCEntralhaha06:44
Coldhakthat was back during the PS1's day though06:45
XFCEntrali think it would have an easy time running on my little laptop. that would be nice. i wont bother with NES emulators though06:45
Coldhakwe need an all-in-one emulator06:45
Coldhakemulates any system, just dl'open the roms06:45
XFCEntralthatd be great06:45
XFCEntrali could forget about downloading anything else but new roms haha06:46
Coldhakmaybe a core, and add the new systems via plugins or something06:46
XFCEntrali like that the wii plays games from several systems. its sort of a one-stop console for me06:46
XFCEntralone minute i play Super Metroid, the next Metroid Prime 306:47
XFCEntralif my laptop could do that...06:47
Coldhakit would be awesome if you could play the whole series in order, on the same system06:47
Coldhakemulation station :D06:47
XFCEntralso far ive got metroid, super metroid, metroid prime, metroid prime 2, and 3. just missing a couple there06:47
XFCEntralhaha06:48
XFCEntralcatchy name too06:48
Coldhak<.< it's also the name of a song06:48
XFCEntralahh06:48
Coldhak:P i'm such a dork06:48
XFCEntralwho played that one haha06:48
Coldhakcan't remember, just a min06:49
Coldhak-_- this isn't the desktop. i don't have my music collection to locate in06:49
XFCEntralahh06:50
Coldhak"1337 g33k b3at" damn that's a horrible name.06:50
Coldhakseriously.06:50
XFCEntralhahaha06:50
XFCEntralever heard of the band Metroid Metal?06:51
XFCEntralmetal interpretations of metroid theme music.06:51
Coldhaksounds awesome06:52
Coldhaki've never played metroid though06:52
XFCEntralohh. its pretty good. even in the side scrolling days of mario, metroid was more of a puzzle and involved backtracking to do more exploring once you have new abilities06:53
XFCEntralie couldnt open a certain door or destroy a wall without having the missile launcher06:53
Coldhakmegaman had stuff like that06:54
XFCEntralyeahh. except less emphasis on levels and more on exploring worlds you could always go back to06:54
XFCEntralgot megaman too. alllways been a fan06:54
XFCEntralbut today Metroid is a fully-immersing FPS06:55
XFCEntralits niiice.06:55
Coldhaki think i'll enjoy this frozen bubble game06:57
XFCEntralyeahh it can get addicting06:57
Coldhaknot as addicting as WoW i'm sure06:58
Coldhak<.< i've wasted so much time playing that game06:58
XFCEntralunfortunately, and totally lacking the gameplay depth06:58
Coldhakand i'm still playing. i quit for a month saying "i'm done with that game"06:58
Coldhaka month later, i'm right back playing it06:58
XFCEntralhaha06:58
Coldhakthe only catch, now i play on linux instead of windows06:58
XFCEntralhows that working out06:59
Coldhaknot too bad.06:59
Coldhakmy graphics card has better drivers on linux06:59
XFCEntralright on. ive never really given gaming a try on one then the other06:59
Coldhakthat's really ironic.06:59
XFCEntraloh thats good06:59
XFCEntrali know haha not what id expect06:59
Coldhakif i use nvidia's card config thing on linux, i can boost my res better than windows07:00
XFCEntralthose who swear by Windows and like to game usually say Linux is less than ideal for gaming07:00
XFCEntralthats pretty cool07:00
Coldhak1700x1300 or so iirc07:00
Coldhaksupports all the shading and everything. i just run the windows install of WoW via wine07:00
XFCEntraloh okay. havent given Wine a try yet, either07:01
vegpuffhi, how do i configure my monitor in xubuntu?07:01
Coldhakvegpuff, I doubt i can help you, but you should try being a bit more specific. add more detail to your question.07:03
Coldhakjust changing resolution is different from having no graphics drivers.07:03
vegpuffi have installed xubuntu, and my screen resolution is 800x600 by default07:05
Coldhakok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers.07:06
vegpuffwhen i try changing resolution07:06
vegpuffmax is 800x60007:06
Coldhakwhat graphics card do you have, do you know?07:06
vegpuffi want 1024x76807:06
vegpuffisn't that a graphic driver problem?07:08
Coldhak"coldhak> ok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers."07:09
vegpufflet me see07:09
vegpuffI am not sure if i have a graphics card, but I have a SiS VGA adapter07:09
vegpuffBut I used to get proper resolution in Ubuntu. Will just changing the xorg.conf help?07:11
vegpuffsorry, i didn't get that07:11
XFCEntralvegpufff: check xorg.conf07:11
vegpuffcool. let me check that.07:11
Coldhakhttp://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=927219 this might be it07:12
ColdhakSIS VGA graphics card07:13
Coldhakcard/adapter, whatever. my headset is a soundcard, so why not?07:13
vegpuffthanks Coldhak !07:13
Coldhakyeah, looks like a few other people were having the same troubles.07:14
Coldhakgood luck to you07:14
baddoghi, I've been trying to bet Xubuntu to use compiz, but whenever I run compiz --replace, the window titlebars disappear, and I can't switch between windows :( any ides?07:16
noniehello guys07:19
Coldhaknobody say anything, maybe he won't notice we're here if we're quiet07:20
Coldhak<.<07:20
baddogwell gee, that was good07:20
noniequiet means no prob07:21
baddogI have a problem07:21
Coldhaki can't remember how i fixed the no window switch problem07:21
baddogbut no ones responded =P07:21
Coldhaki think i uninstalled compiz07:21
Coldhakbaddog, give it time, it's only been five minutes07:22
baddoglol07:22
Coldhakand it's 1am, i'm sure this isn't exactly peak time07:22
baddogwell, for me it's only... 5:20PM07:22
baddogbut yeah, I realize it won't be peak time07:23
Coldhakmost of the users are in USA/Europe07:23
baddogmmm07:23
XFCEntralehh why not07:23
XFCEntralbaddog: do you have a window decorator enabled?07:23
XFCEntralshould be in the settings manager07:23
baddogXFCEntral, xfwm407:24
baddogI tihnk07:24
* baddog checks07:24
XFCEntrali believe emerald is an example07:24
baddogyeah07:24
baddogmeep07:24
baddogin settings manager, when I click window manager, it says "cannot work with your current window manager"07:25
baddoghm07:25
XFCEntraltry compiz-check and see if that highlights any errors. that will also give some good information about your graphics07:27
XFCEntralhttp://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check07:27
baddogmk07:27
XFCEntralin any case it could help diagnose the problem07:27
XFCEntralthanks07:28
baddoghm07:30
baddogok, no errors07:30
XFCEntralokay. well at least its good news. what card are you using & which driver, as compiz-check reports it?07:31
baddogGraphics chip:         ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X140007:31
baddog Driver in use:         fglrx07:31
baddogI've been able to use Compiz on Ubuntu previously07:31
baddogon the same system07:31
XFCEntralthanks07:31
baddogah-hah!07:32
baddogreinstalling did the trick!07:32
XFCEntralhmm not bad! haha07:32
* baddog thanks you07:32
baddog:)07:32
XFCEntralno problem, wish i could have been of more help haha07:32
noniehey guys how can upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 without reformatting07:32
noniei mean 7.10 to 8.0407:33
XFCEntralhave you tried using the update manager?07:33
XFCEntralit should mention at the top of the window, that you may upgrade to 8.0407:34
nonieis it in the synaptic package manager07:34
XFCEntralyou could choose to upgrade all, sure.07:35
XFCEntrali think thatd have the same effect. update-manager has a pretty straightforward way to upgrade to the next version altogether07:35
noniewhere will i know the version if it was upgraded?07:37
noniei think i did the upgrade all yesterday07:37
XFCEntraldo you use firefox?07:38
nonieyes.07:38
XFCEntralset your homepage to the default and navigate to it07:38
nonieok then?07:39
XFCEntralthe ubuntu "start page" will say "Welcome to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS!"07:39
XFCEntralproviding you've upgraded07:39
nonieoops it 7.10 darn.07:40
XFCEntralwell, now you'll just have to upgrade. haha07:40
Coldhaknifty, it stores the ubuntu version in /etc/lsb-release :)07:41
noniecrap. how can i do update-manager is it by command line07:41
XFCEntrallsb_release -a07:42
XFCEntralyup07:42
XFCEntralhaha07:42
XFCEntraljust found that out... d'oh lol07:42
XFCEntralits a GUI tool, but you can invoke it from the CL by using "update-manager"07:42
XFCEntralor, check Applications menu > System > Update Manager07:43
noniefound it ill try it now. tnx07:44
XFCEntralno problem! good luck07:44
XFCEntralColdhak: how do you like frozen bubble?07:45
Coldhakit's a fun game07:46
Coldhakis it designed to be a keyboard or a mouse game?07:46
XFCEntrali use the arrow keys07:46
Coldhaki do too, but i've got to get used to the angles07:46
XFCEntralyeahhhh07:46
XFCEntralits like pool but maybe a little more tricky haha07:46
Coldhakthe balls are a little more sticky than i'd prefer07:47
XFCEntralmy mouse isnt working with frozen bubble07:48
XFCEntralyeahh07:48
XFCEntralgreat, now im definitely stuck playing this til 4am haha07:49
baddoglol07:52
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baddogbah07:59
* baddog logged out and back in, and now compiz is screwed again >_>07:59
XFCEntral:/07:59
XFCEntraltry #compiz-fusion ?08:02
baddogyay, it's working again. The trick seems to be in disabling the xfce WM08:03
baddogor whatever08:03
baddog=P08:03
XFCEntralahh08:03
baddogwhich I don't know how to do without just running compiz-check and letting that do it for me :/08:03
XFCEntralyeah the right wm has to be working for windows to be decorated w/ compiz running08:03
XFCEntralyeahh you got me there. haha08:03
XFCEntralcompiz-check helped?08:04
baddogyeah, thanks for that ;)08:04
XFCEntralawesome! no problem08:04
baddoghm08:05
XFCEntraluh oh?08:05
baddogwhen I logged on and off, and started Compiz, two of my workspaces disappeared :/08:06
XFCEntralhmm. will it let you add them back?08:06
baddognot without restarting X. How do I do that again?08:07
baddogthere's a kb shortcut...08:07
XFCEntralctrl-alt-backspace08:07
XFCEntralshould be08:07
Coldhakiirc, compiz only has as many workspaces as the cube thing has08:08
Coldhakso, 4 by default08:08
XFCEntralahh.08:08
XFCEntralive seen some strange things related to compiz and workspaces. like, 8 workspaces in backtrack. or wast that someother slax distro...08:08
Coldhakit can be changed though. i had two rows of 360 once, just to see what it looked like08:08
baddognow I'm back where I started >_>08:08
XFCEntralhaha08:09
XFCEntralohhh08:09
baddogI've got my 4 workspaces, but no Compiz08:09
baddoghm08:09
Coldhak:/ if i hang here too much, i'll need to install compiz if only for diagnostic purposes08:09
baddognow, I just started compiz, and it's back to two >_>08:09
Coldhakthen configure compiz08:10
XFCEntralyeahh08:10
XFCEntrali would if it didnt slow me down08:10
baddog*sigh*08:10
baddog*stabs compiz*08:10
baddoglol08:10
XFCEntral#compiz-fusion :/08:10
Coldhakit should have a configuration util itself08:10
Coldhak...yeah, they'll know more about this08:10
XFCEntrallike compiz settings manager or w/e its caleld08:10
XFCEntralim by no means a guy with a lot of compositor know-how or experience. i cant stand them for too long. haha08:11
XFCEntralgnome-compiz-manager might help reconfigure the workspaces08:12
baddoghm08:12
baddogah-hah, found it, thanks to  #compiz-fusion  :D08:15
XFCEntralor rather, try compizconfig-settings-manager08:15
XFCEntraloh good!08:15
XFCEntralhey i give you credit for getting your hands dirty with compiz08:16
XFCEntrali tend to shun it. lol08:16
baddogheh08:16
baddogooh, cube :D08:18
XFCEntralteh cubez!08:18
XFCEntrali like the mac-osx style, cover-flow window switcher08:19
baddogyeah08:26
Coldhaki got to lvl 25 on the bubble game, and i got bored :/08:41
XFCEntralyeahh sounds about right to me haha08:42
owen1how to send videoout command from terminal?08:43
ttfhola.. which is the default mailclient on xubuntu?08:59
ttfand the default music player?08:59
ttflooks like I'd like to have a list of default packages - where can I look at one?09:00
ttfI mean - the packages that get installed as default09:01
ttfhmm - would somebody care to paste me the output of        dpkg -l | grep ^ii      somewhere of a more or less naked default xubuntu installation09:02
ttf?09:02
Coldhaka) boot from disk, b) pipe said command into a file on the drive09:03
owen1how to send vide-out command from terminal? or is it a change in xorg.conf?09:07
mnemocthere is any gtk-only "grandma-friendly" photo importer?09:15
Raylzhi, ive installed xubuntu 8.10 beta on my acer aspire one 110L and im having huge fonts09:17
nnullim trying to sudo apt-get install openwebmail but it says E no such package.. any tips?10:47
knomennull, what are you trying to install?10:48
knomeanyway, food ->10:48
nnullopenwenmail knome :)10:48
nnullweb*10:48
knomebrb10:48
nnullmk10:49
knomennull, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenWebMail11:02
nnullknome¬ yea i got it.. then relised i needed a bunch of other things that are in ubuntu-server11:04
knomeyep. np11:04
knomeglad to hear things working11:04
nnullyou use ubuntu server at all knome ?11:04
knomeno, not really11:04
nnullmk11:05
knomei tend to ask my friend for server solutions ;)11:05
knomeand he usually favors debian11:05
nikolamHi11:13
nikolamDod anyone had some trouble lately with 2.5.24-21 on Xubuntu Hardy 64-bit ?11:13
nikolamhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28741611:13
nikolamI needed to go back to 2.6.24-19, too11:13
knomenikolam, not really. i'm running 2.6.24-21 steadly.11:15
knomeand with no problems described in the bug11:15
nikolamI had trouble with network i use adsl usb modem11:15
nikolamalso everything was freezing11:16
nikolamWhat additional info should I post in that bug, so that i can help solving it?11:16
nnullwhats the difference between 8.04 and 8.04.1 ?11:16
nikolambug fixes, newer kernel, etc11:17
nnullany extra bugs tho? heh11:17
nnulli fear upgrading, because alot of the time when i do, the system breaks11:17
knomennull, do you have a highly customised system?11:18
nikolamnnull, what version zou use now?11:18
nnullknome¬ not really.11:18
nnull8.0411:18
nnulland its the first solid system ive had since pre 7.10 :s11:19
knomewoot11:19
nikolam8.04.1 is not cind of upgrade, it is security for 8.0411:19
knomeyou must have some kranky hw11:19
nnullknome heh.. dualcore intel running agp video kranky enough? :P11:19
nikolamI was thinking to stay with 8.04 a bit longer11:20
nnullpretty sure implementing pulseaudio has fixed some sound lockups i was having tho11:20
nikolamBut I need UDF fs support, so..11:20
nnullim watching waterworld, i used to think this chick was ugly, she looks hot in high def11:22
nikolamnnull, what kernel do you use? (uname -a) are you on 64-bit?11:22
nnull32bit11:22
nikolamoh.. never mind then.11:23
nnulldon't know of any reason id need 64bit11:23
nikolam.. if you have more then 2 gigs of ram..11:24
nikolamor if you have 64-bit cpui11:24
nnulli had 2 gig exactly heh11:24
nnullhave*11:24
nikolam64bit is a tiny bit faster11:24
nnulland my cpu is 64bit, both of them11:24
nikolamand u can always use 8 gigs ;)11:25
nnulltiny bit less stable and incompatable at the same time tho eh?11:25
nikolamno, tiny bit future-opened11:25
knomennull, i think 64bit is stable enough.11:25
knomennull, you should use it. it has no big caveats anymore.11:25
nikolam64bit Is more then stable11:25
knomennull, most hardware work with it now.11:25
nnullah k11:26
knomennull, there's not a lot packages you have to build yourself anymore (or at all)11:26
nnulljust remember hearing so much flack about it when it first came out11:26
nikolamI use it since 6.10. Every problem i used to fix back then, is now working automatically11:26
knomennull, it's come a long way since then11:26
nnullahh k nice11:26
knomenikolam, exactly the same i've done. :)11:26
nnulland no problems with VMware etc?11:27
knomennull, not at all.11:28
knomennull, i use vmware for production11:28
nnullcool cool11:28
knomeanyway i have to fly once again. i might be back in half an hour, or then not.11:28
knome->11:28
nikolamI use qemu/kvm for 64-bit guests , using virtual machine manager (virt-manager)11:28
nikolamok, i me too, got to go11:28
nnullokie catchas11:29
nikolamcu11:29
utomegaHi14:41
viddhello utomega14:41
utomegaIf I install and try the Xubuntu 8.10 test version, do I have to later download the stable release or will it update itself?14:42
utomega:D, I guess my questions have already bored you.14:43
viddno....once 8.10 is stable, you simply apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade14:44
utomegaok, thanks, I'll install it then :)14:44
viddand you no longer see the "experimental" thing14:45
viddin fact....i did so today, and that message is gone14:45
utomegawell, hopefully I'll come back later, cya14:50
Eeyore-Jris there a large difference in xubuntu or ubuntu?14:55
Odd-rationaleEeyore-Jr: yes and no...15:00
Odd-rationaleEeyore-Jr: they are different in that ubuntu uses gnome, and xubuntu uses xfce.15:01
Odd-rationalebut both gnome and xfce uses gtk... so they are similar in that respect15:01
Odd-rationaleyou will likely see the same apps in both ubuntu and xubuntu.... synaptics, brasero, firefox, etc...15:01
Eeyore-Jrok.  it was the apps i was wondering about15:02
Eeyore-Jrsame apps, different look and feel15:02
Eeyore-Jrwith xubuntu being "lighter"15:02
Odd-rationaleEeyore-Jr: yeah, xfce, the desktop environment, is a lot lighter than gnome.15:04
Odd-rationaleEeyore-Jr: desktop environment are stuff like the window manager, panels, applets, etc...15:04
karel__hey16:18
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utomegahey, lol16:20
utomegaso, I installed Xubuntu 8.10 :)16:20
viddhello utomega16:21
viddand what do you think of it?16:21
utomegaIt's cool :), better than fedora16:21
viddthats like saying stars are big =]16:22
utomega:D16:22
utomegaone thing I can't get done, I tried in terminal: "su -" and then typed my password, didn't authenticate me16:23
viddyou need to do "sudo su"16:24
utomegaoh, ok, ty16:24
vidd*buntu has root disabled by default16:24
utomegaI see16:24
Myrttisudo -i would be nice16:25
Myrttiit does the same thing.16:25
Myrttinicer and better than sudo su16:25
utomega:)16:25
viddMyrtti, what does -i do?16:25
Myrttiehm, nevermind16:29
Myrttihttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Special%20notes%20on%20sudo%20and%20shells16:29
Myrttijust read that16:29
utomegavidd, should I do the apt-get.. thing now?16:37
viddyou can16:38
viddit wont hurt any16:38
utomegaOk, to be honest I had already started it, it's geting for the 9th time someking of main Translation-et [4975B]16:40
utomegahere goes 1016:41
Woo!ftp16:57
ubottuFTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd16:57
Woo!ftpd16:57
ubottuFTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP16:57
Alan_Newdid somebody get the "transport endpoint is not connected" error in Intrepid when accessing a shared folder via fusesmb?17:08
WooI think I've set up an SSH server now, so now I can just log in with my username and password to access all my files from my Windows box?17:09
Odd-rationaleWoo: you need an ssh/scp client for windows...17:11
Odd-rationaleWoo: try: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/winscp_portable17:12
WooThanks.17:12
Odd-rationaleputty is an ssh client: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/putty_portable17:13
Odd-rationaleand both of these are portable, you can put them on a usb stick and run them from anywhere computer...17:13
WooHmm, well I just need something I can sync my documents from my laptop. FTP prooved so difficult in Ubuntu. :S17:14
WooYay it worked!17:14
WooI mean I got a terminal.17:15
Odd-rationaleWoo: winscp and putty are for windows...17:15
WooYes, I know.17:16
WooIs this anything like FTP?17:16
Odd-rationaleWoo: scp is similar to ftp17:16
WooSorry? How can I transfer my files through this thing?17:17
Odd-rationaleWoo: did you install winscp?17:17
WooNo, just Putty. I thought it was the same thing. I'll try to get it now.17:17
Odd-rationalewinscp is a bit easier....17:18
WooAlright, it worked.17:22
WooIs there any way I can limit the directories I can read?17:23
Odd-rationaleWoo: yeah, by settings the premissions on the directory...17:23
Odd-rationale(not sure if you want to do that... )17:23
vocal6hey guys im trying to install a theme, but how come i cant paste to usr/share/themes ? and how do i extract tar to a destination?17:23
Odd-rationalevocal6: try to extract to ~/.themes17:24
Odd-rationalevocal6: or use sudo17:24
WooI basically just want to have access to /storage. So that a potential thief of my laptop can't access anything else through SSH.17:24
vocal6Odd-rationale, tar xvfz Xaphire.tar.gz ~/.themes  ??17:24
Odd-rationalevocal6: tar xvfz theme.tar.gz; cp -r theme ~/.themes17:25
Odd-rationaleWoo: if a thief manages to get in to your machine via ssh, it is time to ghange passwords... :P17:26
zoredacheWoo: potential thief?  Someone who steals the laptop, or?  If someone steals the laptop, and your files aren't encrypted, they have everything17:26
vocal6Odd-rationale, works but doesnt show up in window manager17:27
zoredacheIf you want to limit ssh to a subdirectory you could use something like rssh.  It is pretty complex to setup though17:27
Odd-rationalevocal6: can i see the link to the theme?17:28
WooI would have a program on my laptop that has the password to log in through SSH saved. That way it will backup stuff from my laptop automatically.17:28
WooIf it was stolen the thief could access not only data on my laptop, but on the SSH server as well.17:28
Wooall the data on it.17:29
vocal6Odd-rationale,  http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Xaphire?content=8849617:29
WooBut I can just make a new user and chown /storage, right?17:29
zoredacheif you want to automatically login with SSH, you shouldn't use a password.  SSH can use keys for authentication17:29
WooRight, I'll take that late17:30
Woolater*17:30
zoredachecreating an account and setting up filesystem permissions correctly should limit a user to only accessing what you allowed17:31
WooIf I log in now I see everything in /home/username now with the main user which can access everything.17:32
Odd-rationalevocal6: so do you have a ~/.themes/Xaphire/xfwm4/ directory?17:32
WooI want to just see one folder there, which is /home/myusername/skolebackup. Must I create a new system user to do that?17:32
vocal6Odd-rationale, no just .themes/xfwm417:33
Odd-rationalevocal6: when you untar'd the Xaphire.tar.gz tarball, did you get a Xaphire directory?17:34
vocal6Odd-rationale, i just opened thunar and copied/pasted xaphire folder and now it works, wonder why couldnt do it through terminal17:34
Odd-rationalevocal6: :?17:35
zoredachein the winscp client you can set what directory you start in by default.  The user will be able to change directories.  If you want to tryly limit the ssh account to a particuarly directory, you would need to setup a chroot with something like rssh17:36
wormsxullathere is winscp for xubuntu? (pardon the silly question)17:39
TheSheepthere is normal scp17:39
zoredachegftp-gtk is a close approximation17:40
wormsxullaah17:40
* wormsxulla checks17:40
wormsxullais there a way to stop network-manager from reconnecting to "null" wireless network at startup?17:41
wormsxullaas, apparently, it takes a while to find the proper network17:41
WooAnd those programs are hard for newbies, TheSheep?17:43
TheSheepWoo: no, scp works the same as any other copying command on the command line of any system out there, including dos and window's cmd17:45
WooI mean limiting directories17:45
TheSheepWoo: it's even easier if you have tab-completion in bash enabled17:46
TheSheepWoo: well, setting up a daeon i chroot is an advanced topic, certainly17:46
TheSheepdaemon17:46
viddwormsxulla, i 86'd network manager in favor of wicd17:46
Wooko17:46
Woook17:47
Wooso the best i can do is adding an user?17:47
TheSheepI didn't follow the whole discussion17:47
WooI want to login with SFTP or SSH (something like that) and be listed /home/myuser/skolebackup only17:48
vocal6the themes just change the 'window manager' where do you get 'user interfaces' ??17:50
tomahowkhi guys17:51
tomahowkive got a question....17:51
charlie-tca!question17:52
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)17:52
tomahowkhow do i get my video card installed on Xubuntu?17:52
wormsxullavidd: thanks, i'll check17:53
viddwormsxulla, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php17:53
viddwormsxulla, if you prefer, i have a .deb file as well17:54
tomahowki think i have a Savage 4, but how do i get it installed on Xubuntu? when i used displayconfig it does not want to work, I cant run Compiz Fusion because of this17:54
tomahowkno-one?17:56
tomahowkgreat.... XD17:56
vidd!patience | tomahowk17:57
ubottutomahowk: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines17:57
vocal6wats another better file manager than thunar for xubuntu17:57
viddvocal6, depends on what you mean "better"17:58
vocal6advanced than thunar, i tried nautiluts orsmoething but it never showed up in menu?17:58
viddtomahowk, do you have savage_drv.o in your /lib/firmware folder?18:00
tomahowkoh i dont really know actually18:01
tomahowki just got xubuntu for... 2 weeks?18:02
viddok....18:02
viddopen thunar, browse to /lib/firmware, and check?18:02
tomahowkokay18:03
tomahowkgot that18:03
tomahowkwhat now?18:03
viddcheck out http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man4/savage.html18:03
vocal6lol18:03
tomahowkbut vidd i dont have savage_drv.o18:04
vidd???18:04
viddyou said you did18:04
viddok....give me a sec18:04
tomahowkyes said it wrong sorry :P18:05
vocal6u wont be forgiven for this18:05
tomahowkin the folder Firmware ive only got: 2.6.24-19-generic18:06
viddand did you open it?18:07
tomahowkno...18:07
tomahowkshould i?18:07
vocal6do you feel like opening it?18:08
viddyes....that is the folder that has your built-in kernel drivers18:08
tomahowkit doesn't contain any folders with savage in its name18:08
viddwhat about files?18:09
tomahowkvidd: ill go have a look, wait a moment please ;D18:10
viddnp18:10
JannoTT!code::blocks18:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about code::blocks18:10
tomahowksorry vidd, the folder doenst contain anything called Savage18:11
viddok18:11
viddwhat does lspci say your video card is?18:11
tomahowklspci?18:12
viddopen terminal, and type lspci18:13
tomahowkokay18:15
viddwhat does it say your card is?18:15
tomahowkwow what now?!18:15
tomahowkVga compitable controller:18:16
viddyes18:16
tomahowkS3 inc. VT8375 ProSavage8 KM266 KL26618:16
viddtomahowk, see if this helps:18:17
viddhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140018:17
* vidd has to go to lunch now....18:17
viddbbs18:17
tomahowkokay cya18:17
MimiAnyone know how to stop xfce from giving me 6 workspaces? when i go to the settings manager and set it to 2, save changes, it will still show 6 even after log out and in. no i dont have compiz ^^;18:18
WooHow can I add a user?18:23
MimiDo you have System ---> Users and Groups  ?18:23
WooI use gnome18:24
Woobut yes18:24
WooI can't unlock it. I can only go to properties for my own account.18:24
WooSo is there a command line I can type?18:26
Mimican't use the "Unlock button at the bottom of the window? Just typing your user password (not root's since there isnt any)   If not, are you sure you are on the sudoers group?18:26
MimiOh yeah, there is18:26
JannoTTadduser is the command18:27
Mimiman adduser for more info18:27
WooTe unlock button is white.18:27
MimiNot greyed out? That's how it should be18:28
WooIt is greyed out.18:28
MimiAh18:28
nikolamThunar on 8.10 amd64 works like dead rabbit. until you kill gam_server..18:28
nikolam..again18:28
Wooso 'sudo adduser (username)'?18:29
MimiHey someone here told me yesterday that with xfce you can have true desktop transparency on your terminal, instead of it showing the windows under it. anyone know how?18:30
Mimiyes woo18:30
TheSheepMimi: enable compositing in settings->window manager tweaks18:30
MimiTheSheep, I did ^^18:30
TheSheepthat's it18:31
Mimithe terminal still isnt showing the desktop behind it18:31
JannoTT!xfce18:32
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels18:32
Miminot a big deal anyway, i just dont like a solid color on the terminal, gets tiring on my eyes after a while18:32
TheSheepMimi: did you enable transparency in terminal settings?18:32
MimiTheSheep,  yes, but that shows the windows under it, not the desktop wallpaper18:32
TheSheepMimi: ah, you want fake transaparency, then disable compositing :)18:32
TheSheepMimi: or just set the same wallpaper for the terminal background18:32
Mimisame thing with compiz >.< I actually need compositing for transparent windows (bad ADD :P )18:33
MimiOh well no big deal18:33
MimiThanks :)18:33
TheSheepthey didn't know anybody would actually want fake transparency when you can have real one :)18:34
Mimiits very distracting with all the windows showing behind, but too hard on the eyes with a solid color ;p for me anyway18:34
MimiHey, I found a very simple, victorian dark flower pattern then used the slider to shade it darker (love that stuff about xfce! can even shade the desktop darker ^.^ )18:37
Mimithat works well for me now :D18:37
WooWhat do I enter in room number?18:41
viddWoo, its not needed18:41
Wooso i enter blank?18:41
viddif you wish18:42
charlie-tcaJust hit enter, Woo18:42
WooOk, I connected using my new user. But I can still access the whole system. :S18:44
viddWoo, aceess or view?18:45
WooI haven't tried deleting anything.18:45
WooI log in with it with SFTP.18:45
viddWoo, ah....18:45
viddyou should set your ftp server to jail the user into their home directory18:46
viddcome to #xubuntu-offtopic and i will help you18:46
JannoTTDang. Somehow i just removed the top and bottom bar. How i get em back? :P18:47
Eeyore-Jri'm having problems with video.  any ideas?18:49
Eeyore-Jrok, let me re-phrase that, where do i start18:50
WooSo you know how I can fix this?18:53
viddim looking here:18:53
viddhttp://www.linux.com/articles/6138718:54
WooI have to say this is getting funny. :P18:54
viddwhy?18:54
charlie-tcaJannoTT: run xfce4-panel18:55
WooI would have done this in 5 min with Windows software18:55
Woojust setting up a server and a user so i could connect18:55
JannoTTcharlie-tca: Thanks. :P18:55
charlie-tcanp18:55
charlie-tca!video18:56
ubottuUbuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications18:56
viddWoo, if you had configured an ftp server, there is a universal setting to jail all users18:56
charlie-tcaEeyore-Jr: What video, your card, dvd's, ?18:56
viddi have personally never used sftp via command line18:56
WooI have not configured an FTP server as neither would start. :S18:57
viddreally?18:57
WooCan you help me set one up there instead if you are good at it?18:57
viddwhat app did you try to use?18:57
viddand how do you know they failed to start?18:57
WooYeah, I got one of the ftpds and the admin interface for it, but it would not start because of some TLS stuff in the config. It could not find the certificate I think.18:57
viddok....your server....how "beefy" is it?18:58
Eeyore-Jrnvidia GeForce 8800 CE18:58
WooWhat does beefy mean?18:58
Eeyore-Jrcharlie-tca:18:58
viddram, processor speed, hd space18:59
viddim mostly concerned with ram18:59
Woo512mb PC3200, 2ghz amd athlon 64, 80gb 2,5" usb + an 1,9GB.18:59
viddWoo, plenty "beefy"19:00
charlie-tcaEeyore-Jr: I don't the question19:00
viddthe application i recommend would be proftpd19:00
vidd"sudo apt-get install proftpd"19:00
Eeyore-Jrcharlie-tca: the video is NVidia GeForce 8800 CE.  I'm not getting any video after installation19:02
charlie-tcaso you restarted after install Xubuntu Version??? and saw what ?19:02
Eeyore-Jryes, after install, both 8.04.1 and 8.10 Beta, RC after reboot i get the splash screen and then blank.  no video19:03
charlie-tcaDid the live cd run ?19:05
Eeyore-Jrsame with the live cd, splash screen, no video19:05
charlie-tcaAnd did all the cd's pass the cd integrity check on the first screen?19:06
charlie-tcaWas this a new install or an upgrade?19:07
Eeyore-Jrnew install19:07
Eeyore-Jrall the cd's pass19:07
Eeyore-Jrin fact, switching to another tty shows the system is up and running, but no login screen for the gui19:08
charlie-tcaSo you got the blinking dash, huh?19:08
Eeyore-Jrno blinking dash19:09
Eeyore-Jri can get a login if i switch to F4 and login.  when i try to "startx" it tells me it's already started on display 019:09
Eeyore-Jrso X is starting, but no gdm19:09
charlie-tcaoh-oh. Did this card work with an earlier version of anything, or windows?19:09
Eeyore-Jrwindows19:10
Eeyore-Jrwindows xp pro19:10
charlie-tcaSounds like it's missing the driver for your card. give me a minute to look something up...19:10
Eeyore-Jrshouldn't it fallback to vesa or svga?19:11
charlie-tcaWon't always. You can try some switches with the live cd.19:11
charlie-tcaThings like noacpi or nolacpi19:12
Eeyore-Jrcan i try that upon boot through grub?19:12
Eeyore-Jron installed system?19:13
JannoTTKdevelop works fine on xubuntu?19:13
charlie-tcaYes, hilite the entry, hit e for edit, take out "quiet" at the end and add in acpi=noacpi19:13
charlie-tcaJannoTT: apparently it is blurred fonts19:14
JannoTT:819:14
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charlie-tcaEeyore-Jr: what's you computer?19:18
Eeyore-Jrwell, that was interesting.  "acpi=noacpi" causes the system to reboot19:18
Eeyore-Jramd64, 3g, 2gmem19:18
Eeyore-Jrlet me get the board spec19:19
charlie-tcaSingle monitor, vga or dvi19:19
Eeyore-Jreither19:19
Eeyore-Jrvia direct or through a kvm19:20
Eeyore-Jrwidescreen19:20
Eeyore-Jrok, i think it's a asus lanparty SLI multi-gpu19:20
charlie-tcaWhich one are you using? If both are connected, try disconnecting one19:20
Eeyore-Jri'm only using on19:21
Eeyore-Jrer, one19:21
Eeyore-Jrvga atm19:21
Eeyore-Jrsomeone mentioned some keystroke the other day to cycle through resolutions, which i did and i did get a color, but no picture at that point19:21
Eeyore-Jrkinda scribbly stuff19:21
Eeyore-Jrbut i've forgotten what the keystroke sequence was19:22
charlie-tcacan you go to /etc/X11 and look for xorg.vonf19:24
charlie-tcaxorg.conf19:24
Eeyore-Jrxorg.conf is empty19:25
Eeyore-Jrwasn't *untu doing something funny there? and picking up some other file?19:26
Eeyore-Jriirc19:26
charlie-tcadelete xorg.conf and restart to recovery mode. choose fix x19:26
charlie-tcathen restart19:26
charlie-tcano, continue19:26
Odd-rationalei think "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" will generate a new xorg.con file19:26
charlie-tcanot in 8.10, and it won't for me in 8.04, Odd-rationale19:27
Odd-rationalehmm... i hate the new xorg in 8.04... :(19:27
charlie-tcame too!19:27
charlie-tcaI had one card do this to me, but fix x worked on it19:28
Eeyore-Jrok, i've tried that.  it appears that there is a package "nvidia-glx-177" for my card i need.  ealier this morning i had this connected to the inet, after re-install with ubuntu-alternate-intrepid-rc, it won't access the network either19:30
charlie-tcaI thought you couldn't get any desktop?19:31
charlie-tcaIf you're using DHCP, it should have networking enabled automatically in intrepid19:32
charlie-tcaWere there any install errors?19:32
Eeyore-Jrno install errors, i'm using dhcp19:36
Eeyore-Jrifconfig shows 192.168.0.25519:36
Eeyore-Jrwhich is wrong, as it does not appear to be getting an ip19:36
Eeyore-Jrit had previously19:36
Eeyore-Jrgraphics wise, i get the splash screen, which completes, a blinking cursro, a flash, and then blank19:37
charlie-tcaYou can set that to the correct IP manually. Network Manager should leave it alone until you19:38
charlie-tcaget to the desktop19:38
Eeyore-Jri gtg to lunch19:40
charlie-tcaokay19:40
charlie-tcaEeyore-Jr: Could you add your issues to a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/26718819:42
charlie-tcaIt's on the nvidia drivers not working right19:42
JannoTTcharlie-tca: If Kdevelop is blurred then what you use? :)19:46
charlie-tcaI don't19:46
JannoTTok19:46
charlie-tcaI just saw an earlier report on it on another channel19:46
charlie-tcaMaybe switching fonts in it would help, if you can19:47
charlie-tcaOr, turn on hinting - slight and sub-pixel hinting in User Interface19:48
bytor4232Hm.  Interesting annoyance with avant-window-navigator.  When using it with xfwm's compositor turned on, when I click on an icon, it brings the window to the current desktop.  Any way to disable this feature somehow?20:53
TheSheepbytor4232: no, that's a bug in awn that was "fixed" in xfce 4.620:53
TheSheepbytor4232: you could also patch your xfwm20:54
bytor4232ic.20:54
bytor4232I can wait.  No biggie.20:54
bytor4232Heck, next week I might not even be using awn.20:54
djohngoI'd like to recompile the kernel for an old, slow, low-memory machine.20:57
djohngoAre there any Xubuntu specific HOWTOs, or with the ubuntu one suffice?20:57
djohngowith = will20:58
vidddjohngo, the ubuntu one should suffice20:58
shirishhi all, python-exo showed up as an deprecated package in system-cleaner-gtk, this is a ubuntu-xubuntu box.20:58
djohngothanks20:58
shirishI had written on the mailing list and they said something is broken on my system, if its true, I would like to know where and what.20:58
shirishcan anybody help me in finding out the same, thanx in advance.20:59
viddshirish, could you be slightly more specific?20:59
shirishvidd: hi :)21:01
shirishvidd: I ran system-cleaner-gtk that's the tool to get rid of cruft or obsoleted packages, or that's what it says21:01
shirishvidd: when I ran it, it shows python-exo as the only deprecated/not-used package21:02
viddok...21:02
shirishvidd: I look up information for python-exo and it says it does stuff for session-management and all for xfce21:02
vidddid you remove it?21:03
shirishvidd: nope, not yet, its still there thankfully.21:03
shirishvidd: I just wanna know whether its deprecated or not21:03
viddare you having an issue running your system?21:04
shirishvidd: nope, its just its in the optional repository and I wanna keep my system as fresh and good as possible.21:04
shirishapttude show python-exo and apt-cache show python-exo tells a bit about them.21:05
viddid let it be21:05
shirishvidd: ok cool21:06
shirishthank you for your help.21:06
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S-i-Ahi every one21:35
knomehello.21:35
S-i-Athe ubuntu-desktop is just meta pack, and i will remove & purge the gnome desktop?21:35
knome?!21:35
S-i-Aihow can i remove ubuntu-desktop or gnome completly?21:36
knome!purexfce21:36
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »21:36
S-i-Ai know that knome thanx21:37
knomeso what do you want then, if not that?21:38
S-i-Athanx no more :) i remove it yet21:40
knome..ok.21:40
S-i-Aand what is the xfce version with 8.10?21:41
knome<4.621:42
TheSheep4.4.3 I think21:42
knomei don't know the exact version21:42
TheSheep4.4.221:42
S-i-Aok thanx21:42
S-i-Awhat is new in 4.6? have network manager?21:43
S-i-Aand soulution for wireless user :)21:44
knomehmm? you can use the gnome-network-manager already in 8.0421:44
S-i-A:(21:45
Myrtti?21:45
S-i-Ais very nice if xfce have network-manager21:45
Myrttiit does21:45
Myrtti... gnome-network-manager21:46
Myrttiit's the name of the package21:46
Myrttisince it uses gtk as does most of the other xfce apps21:46
knomeg-d-m is also at openbox \o/21:46
knomei mean, g-n-m21:47
knomeduh. :)21:47
S-i-Arealy liked KDE but with kde4 wiiiii21:47
S-i-Ais absolute F***21:48
S-i-Abrb21:51
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Eeyore-Jrk, back to the video/network21:54
Eeyore-Jrsomeone mentioned i could set the network manually.  i'm assuming they meant the hosts file21:55
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S-i-Ahi again22:44
S-i-Athe xubuntu is complete installed but have a problem22:44
S-i-Athe keyboard layout change dont worked more22:45
DCPomI need a 10 day uranium trade. Any offers?22:45
S-i-Ahowever is in xorg.conf correct and in setting manager>>keyboard to, how can i fix it?22:46
S-i-Athe xkbkeyboard is so22:47
S-i-Ahttp://paste.debian.net/19884/22:47
S-i-Abut if i change session to gnome can i use Alt+Shift to change layout currectly22:48
S-i-Aany idea?22:49
BlatzHello23:17
BlatzI was wondering how to boot straight to the command line with xubuntu.23:17
BlatzI don't need the graphic interface all the time, and some swap file is used right away after boot.23:19
BlatzAlso, it seems I am not able to use ssh until I am logged into the graphic interface.23:20
BlatzI take it that is not normal?23:20
BlatzMaybe something with the lan card driver?23:22
zoredacheyou are right, not being able to ssh in until you are logged into the gui is not normal for a wired connection23:25
zoredacheif you want to disable the gui loading, you would disable GDM as a startup service23:25
zoredacheare you sure, that you just don't have a slow dhcp server?23:27
Blatzzoredache, I don't know anymore...the connection has been acting up23:28
Blatzanyway, I figured out my first question.  :)23:28
Blatznow the connection attempt via ssh is refused.23:31
BlatzAnything to do with me logging in to command like as root without loading the GUI?23:31
BlatzSomething with port 24?23:33
zoredachecan you ping anything?23:35
BlatzI will try23:36
Blatzok, now I am able to access the machine via ssh when left at the GUI log in.23:37
Blatzmaybe its just slow as its a p3 with 256 RAM23:37
Blatz550MHz or some odd mhz23:38
Blatzsweet, no swap used now, thats all I wanted.  Thanks.23:38
Blatzbye zoredache23:39
perforatehey all23:46
perforategot a ?23:47
perforateabout remote desktop23:47
Meeso_OSask it ._.23:47
perforatecan I use it to retrieve files off other windows computers on my network23:47
perforateor fix clients computers (windows)23:48
zoredachemaybe.  It is technically possible, but it is tricky to get going23:48
perforateI noticed23:48
zoredacheyou need to make sure the TS settings on the windows boxes allow for maping of client drives, and you will probably have to start rdestop from the cli with the options to enable local device access23:49
perforateI have my windows computers recognizing my xubuntu computer but I can't see windows computers from Xubuntu computer23:50
zoredacheif you do a man rdesktop, you are looking for the -r option for a description onhow to do it23:50
zoredacheif you are talking about using windows file sharing you might want to setup fusesmb23:50
perforateallright23:50
zoredache!fusesmb23:50
ubottufusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network.  Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb23:50
perforatethankyou much ...I can take it from here23:51

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