[00:00] <knome> ;)
[00:00] <knome> i think i'll sleep now. good night everybody!
[02:22] <mib_aqi5xb> Hello all
[02:24] <mib_aqi5xb> Does anyone know if you need a hard drive disk in order to properly boot a livecd?
[02:24] <mib_aqi5xb> I try without one and it goes to busybox
[02:28] <charlie-tca> I don't think it should be necessary, was that today's CD?
[02:34] <perforate> hey all
[02:34] <perforate> another windows convert here
[02:35] <perforate> I own a networking business, so I am no slouch to learning new things ,but having trouble networking with windows machines
[02:35] <charlie-tca> hey perforate, Welcome to Xubuntu
[02:36] <perforate> have 4 machines currently hooked up now to a 8 port 100/1000 switch
[02:36] <perforate> with a netgear router in front of itit
[02:37] <perforate> any help anyone?
[02:37] <charlie-tca> What's your question?
[02:38] <perforate> how do I go about configuring  the network ...where do I go
[02:38] <perforate> Or start
[02:39] <perforate> do I use network tools to do this
[02:39] <charlie-tca> !networking
[02:39] <charlie-tca> !network
[02:39] <perforate> not wireless, but file sharing
[02:39] <charlie-tca> Are you using static IP's
[02:39] <perforate> between xubuntu and windows machines
[02:40] <perforate> no , DHCP
[02:40] <charlie-tca> I use NFS myself, but I have windows machines. You can start with Samba, I think
[02:40] <charlie-tca> !samba
[02:40] <perforate> I can set up static behind the router though
[02:40] <charlie-tca> No point in setting up static as long as DHCP is working.
[02:41] <perforate> right
[02:41] <charlie-tca> There are a couple of links there from ubottu on samba, just click to open them. Also check out
[02:42] <charlie-tca> thunar ( file manager ), Go -> Open Location. It should help set up shared folders
[02:55] <perforate> thankyou very much, your a great help
[03:02] <charlie-tca> perforate: I hope it helps some. If you have problems, come back and ask. If you just ask a question, someone will see it and answer
[03:07] <perforate> thanks all I used to use irc only to "trade" software back and forth ...first time as a useful chat ...thanks all.
[03:07] <charlie-tca> You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
[03:38] <lowslungstrider> hello! how do I use .pcf and .ttf fonts in xubuntu?
[03:39] <lowslungstrider> anyone?
[03:40] <XFCEntral> there should be a download for true type fonts in the repositories, have you picked up any yet?
[03:41] <lowslungstrider> no... today is only my first day with xubuntu. :) I don't know much about it. I have a .pcf font that I want to use with an xfce theme, but I can't seem to install it. Can you help me out?
[03:41] <XFCEntral> i can sure try! i know that .ttf should be easiest, just: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:42] <XFCEntral> let me look into .pcf real quick
[03:42] <lowslungstrider> thank you... in the meantime, I will try that command in the terminal.
[03:43] <XFCEntral> np. that will include andale mono, arial black, arial, comic sans ms, courier new, georgia, impact, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana, and webdings
[03:43] <lowslungstrider> OK, it installed certain fonts. Good.
[03:44] <lowslungstrider> I want to install segoeui and calibri.
[03:44] <XFCEntral> oh okay
[03:44] <lowslungstrider> and also a certain 'lime.pcf' font.
[03:44] <XFCEntral> thats right--is calibri the new default from office 2007?
[03:45] <lowslungstrider> indeed it is.
[03:47] <XFCEntral> here's a link for installing vista fonts in ubuntu: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/installing-vista-fonts-in-ubuntu/
[03:47] <lowslungstrider> awesome!
[03:47] <XFCEntral> .pcf font directions: http://www.nazgum.com/2007/12/09/ubuntu-pcf-fonts/
[03:48] <XFCEntral> hope that makes it easier for you to work it out, rather than filling up this chat with directions. good luck!
[03:48] <lowslungstrider> woot... thanks a lot! :)
[03:48] <XFCEntral> no problem!
[03:48] <XFCEntral> and enjoy xubuntu
[03:49] <lowslungstrider> I most certainly will :) I just need to get used to all this command-lining. I am sure I'll be used to it in no time.
[03:49] <lowslungstrider> thanks again, adios!
[03:56] <vocal9> hey i was trying to install Flock, after taring it how come /.flock doesnt work?
[03:56] <vocal9> ./flock-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:57] <XFCEntral> do you have that dependency downloaded yet?
[03:58] <vocal9> no? i just downloaded flock from website and tared it and tried doing this.. what should i aptget?
[03:58] <vocal9> i have build essential thats it
[03:58] <XFCEntral> libstdc++.so.5, if thats the exact name of the library file
[03:59] <XFCEntral> probably wont work if its missing the shared libraries it needs
[03:59] <vocal9> how can i get those libs
[04:00] <XFCEntral> take that missing library's name and search for it in synaptic. you could apt-get it alternatively
[04:03] <vocal9> how can u search apt-get again? -s ?
[04:06] <favro> apt-cache search vocal9
[04:17] <vocal9> xubuntu is pretty slow on this comp..is there maybe a faster browser than firefox/flock ? also any tips on making xubuntu run a bitfaster im on 566mhz / 392 or something ram, p2, 20gb hd
[05:48] <Coldhak> how do I tell what vid card I have on this?
[05:49] <Coldhak> it's a laptop, so i can't just look at the chip
[05:50] <Mimi> sudo apt-get install sysinfo   ^_^ Then run   sysinfo
[05:51] <Coldhak> :/ lovely, i have an intel graphics card :/
[05:53] <Mimi> Awww I'm sorry!
[05:53] <Mimi> Why is that so bad? ^^
[05:53] <Mimi> (btw does anyone know what's the command for the Add/Remove application ? )
[06:01] <vegpuff> hi, my monitor is not being detected in xubuntu. screen resolution is 800x600 :( help!
[06:03] <XFCEntral> Mimi: the command you're looking for is gnome-app-install
[06:03] <XFCEntral> but you may need to prepend that with sudo or gksu
[06:04] <Mimi> Oh yes, thanks :) .. mmmm.... Now I'm wondering why install xubuntu if it's bloated with gnome apps/libs anyway... mmm.... *downloads mini cd)
[06:04] <XFCEntral> haha! ive been noticing that myself, over time...
[06:05] <Coldhak> xfce uses less resources to run?
[06:05] <Mimi> It does
[06:05] <Coldhak> a little bit less
[06:06] <Coldhak> 'course, you could install compiz to fix that
[06:06] <Mimi> Ah, what a meanie :P
[06:07] <Mimi> I only use compiz for AWN and for the ADHD pluggin (fade background windows so they are not a distraction)
[06:07] <Coldhak> I rm'd compiz. it takes too much cpu/ram, :)
[06:08] <XFCEntral> xfce's compos. isnt too bad in my opinion. i dont even use that, but if you wanted drop shadow and to dim out of focus windows, make panels transparent, then it's not bad. quite easy to set up
[06:09] <Mimi> im running FF with a gazilion tabs open, epiphany (dont ask why, i dont know) doing intrepid updates, and xchat, and cpu is 10%, memory is 453.2mb ..... Not too bad, eh? (Oh yeah, and compiz and awn on top of that)
[06:10] <Coldhak> I really miss the window snapping feature when i move back over to windows. don't even really notice it here though
[06:10] <XFCEntral> Mimi: what's your chip?
[06:10] <Coldhak> it's awesome.
[06:10] <Mimi> ... you can dim out of focus windows in xfce?!:D
[06:10] <XFCEntral> mhm
[06:10] <Coldhak> it's a feature of compiz
[06:10] <Coldhak> i do like the pretties
[06:11] <XFCEntral> Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Compositor > Opacity of Inactive Windows (slider)
[06:11] <Mimi> XFCEntral, Nvidia GeForce 7300, old stuff, I'm sure (assuming thats what you meant)
[06:12]  * Mimi sudo apt-gets xfce*
[06:12] <XFCEntral> Mimi: I was wondering about you CPU
[06:12] <Coldhak> :| that's not old, i just bought that graphics card
[06:12] <Mimi> Oh really :P
[06:12] <Coldhak> yeah, like two months ago
[06:12] <Mimi> I don't know, I bought this dell refurb laptop... a year ago, so I wasnt sure how old it was ^^
[06:13] <XFCEntral> hehe and i think xfce's compositor really does a good job, unless you need wobbly windows, things on fire and of course the desktop cube
[06:13] <Mimi> xfce does that too? Without compiz?
[06:13] <XFCEntral> nope, it does the nice things you want and leaves out the bells and whistles like those more complex effects
[06:13] <Coldhak> i like the xfce4-terminal's feature of showing the desktop behind
[06:13] <Mimi> Hey if I want fire I'll have a fireplace installed in my apartment :P
[06:13] <XFCEntral> yesss
[06:13] <XFCEntral> :Coldhak
[06:14] <Coldhak> if i turn on the compositor, it shows the windows and crap, instead of the desktop
[06:14] <XFCEntral> yeahh it makes it true transparent
[06:14] <Mimi> I hate that about gnome/compiz....
[06:14] <Coldhak> I don't want true transparency though :/
[06:14] <XFCEntral> yeahh i like the desktop background alone
[06:14] <XFCEntral> easier to read text and less distracting
[06:14] <XFCEntral> still a nice touch
[06:15] <Mimi> .... Since you guys are so helpful, do you have any recomendations which xfce packages I should install?   xfce , xfcec-artwork, xfce-themes,  etc
[06:15] <XFCEntral> did you select xubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <Coldhak> the themes are pretty ii think, but i don't remember which came from where
[06:15] <XFCEntral> i think that pulls a lot of important packages
[06:15] <Mimi> XFCEntral,  won't that install a bunch of stuff I don't need?
[06:16] <Coldhak> it would isntstall a bunch of apps other than xfce
[06:16] <XFCEntral> if you prefer to pick and choose it might be a bad idea
[06:16] <Mimi> yeah XFCEntral  it installs gnumeric, as an example ;p
[06:16] <Coldhak> and mousepad
[06:16] <XFCEntral> hehe heyy no problem with GNUmeric, and im a business student. lol
[06:16] <Mimi> Oh boy, and network manager *sobs* it would remove my Wicd
[06:16] <XFCEntral> eek.
[06:16] <XFCEntral> good call Mimi
[06:17] <Mimi> XFCEntral,  limited disk space due to me using windows under v.box *gulp
[06:17] <XFCEntral> ahh
[06:17] <XFCEntral> i run Xubuntu on an asus eee. thats approx 600mhz CPU, 512MB RAM and 4GB solid state storage
[06:18] <Mimi> I hope you have a huge usb disk for your files >.<
[06:18] <XFCEntral> ill admit i also use an SD card, basically full time. but I've kept disk usage at about 65% which im happy with
[06:18] <Coldhak> :/ damn, that's some small specs
[06:18] <XFCEntral> hehe
[06:18] <XFCEntral> yeahh ive really learned to conserve. i just find that fancy effects and games wont work all that well
[06:19] <Coldhak> I'm trying to get World of Warcraft to work
[06:19] <Coldhak> Acer Aspire, 80gb hd, 1gb ram
[06:19] <Coldhak> it crashes linux :|
[06:19] <XFCEntral> using a restricted driver for your graphics card?
[06:20] <XFCEntral> the only games im comfortable running are the GNOME games and DOOM, or bomberclone... frozen bubble
[06:20] <Coldhak> doesn't appear so
[06:20] <Coldhak> I like gnometris on it's lowest graphics setting.
[06:21] <Mimi> hehe, Guild Wars plays WAY faster and with all the fancy effects on, on Ubuntu than Windows... in Windows, Guild Wars is very sluggish
[06:21] <XFCEntral> simple and entertaining. and it wont crash! luckily haha
[06:21] <Coldhak> there's always nethack
[06:21] <Coldhak> i'm sure it'll run on just about anything these days
[06:22] <XFCEntral> true
[06:22] <Coldhak> nope, no restricted drivers
[06:22] <Coldhak> well, not for graphics
[06:22] <XFCEntral> theres a tool you can add to install restricted drivers
[06:23] <Coldhak> envy?
[06:23] <Coldhak> what tool?
[06:23] <XFCEntral> hmm not familiar with it :/ i believe the one im talking about is a standard tool in GNOME/Ubuntu
[06:23] <Coldhak> there's the restricted hardware manager
[06:23] <XFCEntral> yes i suppose thats it then
[06:24] <Coldhak> it says nothing of graphics though
[06:24] <XFCEntral> what graphics card do you have?
[06:26] <Coldhak> damn, had that data not an hour ago. i forget the command for it
[06:26] <XFCEntral> oh right--the intel card
[06:26] <Coldhak> yeah. not sure what that's about. I didn't know intel made vid cards
[06:27] <Coldhak> i've only heard of ATI and Nvidia
[06:27] <Coldhak> and some old stuff
[06:27] <XFCEntral> maybe nothing shows up for your graphics card because the generic driver might already be sufficient. my card is probably still crap, but because its an ATI, i can use the restricted driver
[06:28] <Coldhak> I installed envy, and tried to install an ATI driver(my WoW glitch matches something ATI users get apparently), but envy says i do'nt have an ATI card
[06:28] <XFCEntral> however i dont use the driver because "we" disagree on what my screen resolution should be. lol ran into issues with that...
[06:29] <Coldhak> i start up WoW, and when i get past the loading-world loading screen, the computer crashes
[06:29] <Coldhak> monitor turns on/off and black, then keyboard appears unresponsive
[06:30] <XFCEntral> yeahh its the Intel integrated graphics
[06:30] <Coldhak> :(
[06:30] <XFCEntral> you said youve enabled an ATI driver?
[06:30] <Coldhak> I tried, envy wouldn't install it, because it says I don't have an ATI card
[06:30] <XFCEntral> oh okay. well that's probably for the best. haha
[06:31] <XFCEntral> apparently Intel graphics aren't that great, and most gaming should require a dedicated card ie from ATI or NVIDIA\
[06:31] <XFCEntral> :/
[06:32] <XFCEntral> and by "most gaming" i of course do not mean DOOM. things like WoW instead.
[06:32] <Coldhak> :'( but I don't get my monitor back for three weeks. I wanna play now and this system's all I've got
[06:33] <Coldhak> my desktop with the expensive, pretty nvidia card is collecting dust without a monitor :(
[06:33] <XFCEntral> ahh
[06:33] <XFCEntral> using a laptop then?
[06:33] <Coldhak> yeah, asus aspire
[06:34] <XFCEntral> yeahh thats why
[06:34] <Coldhak> i'm in the middle of a move, so i'm sleeping on a cot and using a camping table for a desk.
[06:34] <XFCEntral> looking around on the net, it seems like intel cards fail people on WoW
[06:34] <Coldhak> i wants to game damnit :(
[06:34] <XFCEntral> man you are roughing it, considering you cant use your powerful box, either haha
[06:35] <Coldhak> well, know of any cool, free games then?
[06:35] <XFCEntral> what sort are you looking for?
[06:35] <Coldhak> help me kill some time 'till i get my box back
[06:35] <Coldhak> rpg?
[06:35] <XFCEntral> adonthell is okay
[06:35] <Coldhak> arcade(tetris, etc)
[06:35] <Coldhak> ?
[06:36] <Mimi> You could go look at lolcats
[06:36] <XFCEntral> haha so great
[06:36] <Mimi> or play supertux! supeeertux!
[06:36] <XFCEntral> bomberclone
[06:36] <XFCEntral> (bomberman)
[06:36] <Coldhak> Mimi, no. my friend and I surf 4chan regularly. lolcats are nolonger funny.
[06:36] <Mimi> ew.  cheeseburger is better, sorry :P
[06:37] <XFCEntral> i can haz monitor? haha
[06:37] <Coldhak> >:|
[06:37] <XFCEntral> Coldhak: do you like the vertical scrolling, missile and bomb aircombat games?
[06:38] <XFCEntral> classic arcade stuff
[06:38] <Coldhak> sure
[06:38] <XFCEntral> i used a game like that before...
[06:38] <XFCEntral> and one like galaxian
[06:38] <XFCEntral> straight from the repos
[06:38] <Coldhak> chromium?
[06:38] <XFCEntral> rings a bell
[06:38] <XFCEntral> yes that was it
[06:39] <Coldhak> you lose a life if one gets by. insanely difficult
[06:39] <XFCEntral> yeahh likely why i deleted that haha
[06:39] <XFCEntral> do you have frozen bubble?
[06:39] <XFCEntral> thats good for at least 25/30 levels for me
[06:39] <Coldhak> not yet
[06:40] <Coldhak> that's a mario clone isn't it?
[06:40] <XFCEntral> frozen bubble? its a puzzle
[06:40] <XFCEntral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_Bubble
[06:41] <Coldhak> looks interesting, I shall play it :)
[06:41] <XFCEntral> its a big favorite, apparently. i like it,t oo
[06:42] <XFCEntral> give it a go!
[06:42] <Coldhak> supertux's still installing
[06:42] <XFCEntral> haha classic. i would like a nice, nearly dead-on accurate rendition of Zelda
[06:43] <Coldhak> which zelda?
[06:43] <XFCEntral> the original
[06:43] <Coldhak> the gba version's quite different from the n64
[06:44] <Coldhak> ah, you mean the nes?
[06:44] <XFCEntral> yes
[06:44] <Coldhak> I didn't really play that one
[06:44] <XFCEntral> ive got all the versions available over the network on my Wii. up to Twilight princess on disc, of course
[06:44] <Coldhak> I did see it though. the graphics were horrible, even for when i saw it
[06:44] <XFCEntral> haha
[06:45] <Coldhak> that was back during the PS1's day though
[06:45] <XFCEntral> i think it would have an easy time running on my little laptop. that would be nice. i wont bother with NES emulators though
[06:45] <Coldhak> we need an all-in-one emulator
[06:45] <Coldhak> emulates any system, just dl'open the roms
[06:45] <XFCEntral> thatd be great
[06:46] <XFCEntral> i could forget about downloading anything else but new roms haha
[06:46] <Coldhak> maybe a core, and add the new systems via plugins or something
[06:46] <XFCEntral> i like that the wii plays games from several systems. its sort of a one-stop console for me
[06:47] <XFCEntral> one minute i play Super Metroid, the next Metroid Prime 3
[06:47] <XFCEntral> if my laptop could do that...
[06:47] <Coldhak> it would be awesome if you could play the whole series in order, on the same system
[06:47] <Coldhak> emulation station :D
[06:47] <XFCEntral> so far ive got metroid, super metroid, metroid prime, metroid prime 2, and 3. just missing a couple there
[06:48] <XFCEntral> haha
[06:48] <XFCEntral> catchy name too
[06:48] <Coldhak> <.< it's also the name of a song
[06:48] <XFCEntral> ahh
[06:48] <Coldhak> :P i'm such a dork
[06:48] <XFCEntral> who played that one haha
[06:49] <Coldhak> can't remember, just a min
[06:49] <Coldhak> -_- this isn't the desktop. i don't have my music collection to locate in
[06:50] <XFCEntral> ahh
[06:50] <Coldhak> "1337 g33k b3at" damn that's a horrible name.
[06:50] <Coldhak> seriously.
[06:50] <XFCEntral> hahaha
[06:51] <XFCEntral> ever heard of the band Metroid Metal?
[06:51] <XFCEntral> metal interpretations of metroid theme music.
[06:52] <Coldhak> sounds awesome
[06:52] <Coldhak> i've never played metroid though
[06:53] <XFCEntral> ohh. its pretty good. even in the side scrolling days of mario, metroid was more of a puzzle and involved backtracking to do more exploring once you have new abilities
[06:53] <XFCEntral> ie couldnt open a certain door or destroy a wall without having the missile launcher
[06:54] <Coldhak> megaman had stuff like that
[06:54] <XFCEntral> yeahh. except less emphasis on levels and more on exploring worlds you could always go back to
[06:54] <XFCEntral> got megaman too. alllways been a fan
[06:55] <XFCEntral> but today Metroid is a fully-immersing FPS
[06:55] <XFCEntral> its niiice.
[06:57] <Coldhak> i think i'll enjoy this frozen bubble game
[06:57] <XFCEntral> yeahh it can get addicting
[06:58] <Coldhak> not as addicting as WoW i'm sure
[06:58] <Coldhak> <.< i've wasted so much time playing that game
[06:58] <XFCEntral> unfortunately, and totally lacking the gameplay depth
[06:58] <Coldhak> and i'm still playing. i quit for a month saying "i'm done with that game"
[06:58] <Coldhak> a month later, i'm right back playing it
[06:58] <XFCEntral> haha
[06:58] <Coldhak> the only catch, now i play on linux instead of windows
[06:59] <XFCEntral> hows that working out
[06:59] <Coldhak> not too bad.
[06:59] <Coldhak> my graphics card has better drivers on linux
[06:59] <XFCEntral> right on. ive never really given gaming a try on one then the other
[06:59] <Coldhak> that's really ironic.
[06:59] <XFCEntral> oh thats good
[06:59] <XFCEntral> i know haha not what id expect
[07:00] <Coldhak> if i use nvidia's card config thing on linux, i can boost my res better than windows
[07:00] <XFCEntral> those who swear by Windows and like to game usually say Linux is less than ideal for gaming
[07:00] <XFCEntral> thats pretty cool
[07:00] <Coldhak> 1700x1300 or so iirc
[07:00] <Coldhak> supports all the shading and everything. i just run the windows install of WoW via wine
[07:01] <XFCEntral> oh okay. havent given Wine a try yet, either
[07:01] <vegpuff> hi, how do i configure my monitor in xubuntu?
[07:03] <Coldhak> vegpuff, I doubt i can help you, but you should try being a bit more specific. add more detail to your question.
[07:03] <Coldhak> just changing resolution is different from having no graphics drivers.
[07:05] <vegpuff> i have installed xubuntu, and my screen resolution is 800x600 by default
[07:06] <Coldhak> ok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers.
[07:06] <vegpuff> when i try changing resolution
[07:06] <vegpuff> max is 800x600
[07:06] <Coldhak> what graphics card do you have, do you know?
[07:06] <vegpuff> i want 1024x768
[07:08] <vegpuff> isn't that a graphic driver problem?
[07:09] <Coldhak> "coldhak> ok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers."
[07:09] <vegpuff> let me see
[07:09] <vegpuff> I am not sure if i have a graphics card, but I have a SiS VGA adapter
[07:11] <vegpuff> But I used to get proper resolution in Ubuntu. Will just changing the xorg.conf help?
[07:11] <vegpuff> sorry, i didn't get that
[07:11] <XFCEntral> vegpufff: check xorg.conf
[07:11] <vegpuff> cool. let me check that.
[07:12] <Coldhak> http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=927219 this might be it
[07:13] <Coldhak> SIS VGA graphics card
[07:13] <Coldhak> card/adapter, whatever. my headset is a soundcard, so why not?
[07:13] <vegpuff> thanks Coldhak !
[07:14] <Coldhak> yeah, looks like a few other people were having the same troubles.
[07:14] <Coldhak> good luck to you
[07:16] <baddog> hi, I've been trying to bet Xubuntu to use compiz, but whenever I run compiz --replace, the window titlebars disappear, and I can't switch between windows :( any ides?
[07:19] <nonie> hello guys
[07:20] <Coldhak> nobody say anything, maybe he won't notice we're here if we're quiet
[07:20] <Coldhak> <.<
[07:20] <baddog> well gee, that was good
[07:21] <nonie> quiet means no prob
[07:21] <baddog> I have a problem
[07:21] <Coldhak> i can't remember how i fixed the no window switch problem
[07:21] <baddog> but no ones responded =P
[07:21] <Coldhak> i think i uninstalled compiz
[07:22] <Coldhak> baddog, give it time, it's only been five minutes
[07:22] <baddog> lol
[07:22] <Coldhak> and it's 1am, i'm sure this isn't exactly peak time
[07:22] <baddog> well, for me it's only... 5:20PM
[07:23] <baddog> but yeah, I realize it won't be peak time
[07:23] <Coldhak> most of the users are in USA/Europe
[07:23] <baddog> mmm
[07:23] <XFCEntral> ehh why not
[07:23] <XFCEntral> baddog: do you have a window decorator enabled?
[07:23] <XFCEntral> should be in the settings manager
[07:24] <baddog> XFCEntral, xfwm4
[07:24] <baddog> I tihnk
[07:24]  * baddog checks
[07:24] <XFCEntral> i believe emerald is an example
[07:24] <baddog> yeah
[07:24] <baddog> meep
[07:25] <baddog> in settings manager, when I click window manager, it says "cannot work with your current window manager"
[07:25] <baddog> hm
[07:27] <XFCEntral> try compiz-check and see if that highlights any errors. that will also give some good information about your graphics
[07:27] <XFCEntral> http://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check
[07:27] <baddog> mk
[07:27] <XFCEntral> in any case it could help diagnose the problem
[07:28] <XFCEntral> thanks
[07:30] <baddog> hm
[07:30] <baddog> ok, no errors
[07:31] <XFCEntral> okay. well at least its good news. what card are you using & which driver, as compiz-check reports it?
[07:31] <baddog> Graphics chip:         ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400
[07:31] <baddog>  Driver in use:         fglrx
[07:31] <baddog> I've been able to use Compiz on Ubuntu previously
[07:31] <baddog> on the same system
[07:31] <XFCEntral> thanks
[07:32] <baddog> ah-hah!
[07:32] <baddog> reinstalling did the trick!
[07:32] <XFCEntral> hmm not bad! haha
[07:32]  * baddog thanks you
[07:32] <baddog> :)
[07:32] <XFCEntral> no problem, wish i could have been of more help haha
[07:32] <nonie> hey guys how can upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 without reformatting
[07:33] <nonie> i mean 7.10 to 8.04
[07:33] <XFCEntral> have you tried using the update manager?
[07:34] <XFCEntral> it should mention at the top of the window, that you may upgrade to 8.04
[07:34] <nonie> is it in the synaptic package manager
[07:35] <XFCEntral> you could choose to upgrade all, sure.
[07:35] <XFCEntral> i think thatd have the same effect. update-manager has a pretty straightforward way to upgrade to the next version altogether
[07:37] <nonie> where will i know the version if it was upgraded?
[07:37] <nonie> i think i did the upgrade all yesterday
[07:38] <XFCEntral> do you use firefox?
[07:38] <nonie> yes.
[07:38] <XFCEntral> set your homepage to the default and navigate to it
[07:39] <nonie> ok then?
[07:39] <XFCEntral> the ubuntu "start page" will say "Welcome to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS!"
[07:39] <XFCEntral> providing you've upgraded
[07:40] <nonie> oops it 7.10 darn.
[07:40] <XFCEntral> well, now you'll just have to upgrade. haha
[07:41] <Coldhak> nifty, it stores the ubuntu version in /etc/lsb-release :)
[07:41] <nonie> crap. how can i do update-manager is it by command line
[07:42] <XFCEntral> lsb_release -a
[07:42] <XFCEntral> yup
[07:42] <XFCEntral> haha
[07:42] <XFCEntral> just found that out... d'oh lol
[07:42] <XFCEntral> its a GUI tool, but you can invoke it from the CL by using "update-manager"
[07:43] <XFCEntral> or, check Applications menu > System > Update Manager
[07:44] <nonie> found it ill try it now. tnx
[07:44] <XFCEntral> no problem! good luck
[07:45] <XFCEntral> Coldhak: how do you like frozen bubble?
[07:46] <Coldhak> it's a fun game
[07:46] <Coldhak> is it designed to be a keyboard or a mouse game?
[07:46] <XFCEntral> i use the arrow keys
[07:46] <Coldhak> i do too, but i've got to get used to the angles
[07:46] <XFCEntral> yeahhhh
[07:46] <XFCEntral> its like pool but maybe a little more tricky haha
[07:47] <Coldhak> the balls are a little more sticky than i'd prefer
[07:48] <XFCEntral> my mouse isnt working with frozen bubble
[07:48] <XFCEntral> yeahh
[07:49] <XFCEntral> great, now im definitely stuck playing this til 4am haha
[07:52] <baddog> lol
[07:59] <baddog> bah
[07:59]  * baddog logged out and back in, and now compiz is screwed again >_>
[07:59] <XFCEntral> :/
[08:02] <XFCEntral> try #compiz-fusion ?
[08:03] <baddog> yay, it's working again. The trick seems to be in disabling the xfce WM
[08:03] <baddog> or whatever
[08:03] <baddog> =P
[08:03] <XFCEntral> ahh
[08:03] <baddog> which I don't know how to do without just running compiz-check and letting that do it for me :/
[08:03] <XFCEntral> yeah the right wm has to be working for windows to be decorated w/ compiz running
[08:03] <XFCEntral> yeahh you got me there. haha
[08:04] <XFCEntral> compiz-check helped?
[08:04] <baddog> yeah, thanks for that ;)
[08:04] <XFCEntral> awesome! no problem
[08:05] <baddog> hm
[08:05] <XFCEntral> uh oh?
[08:06] <baddog> when I logged on and off, and started Compiz, two of my workspaces disappeared :/
[08:06] <XFCEntral> hmm. will it let you add them back?
[08:07] <baddog> not without restarting X. How do I do that again?
[08:07] <baddog> there's a kb shortcut...
[08:07] <XFCEntral> ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:07] <XFCEntral> should be
[08:08] <Coldhak> iirc, compiz only has as many workspaces as the cube thing has
[08:08] <Coldhak> so, 4 by default
[08:08] <XFCEntral> ahh.
[08:08] <XFCEntral> ive seen some strange things related to compiz and workspaces. like, 8 workspaces in backtrack. or wast that someother slax distro...
[08:08] <Coldhak> it can be changed though. i had two rows of 360 once, just to see what it looked like
[08:08] <baddog> now I'm back where I started >_>
[08:09] <XFCEntral> haha
[08:09] <XFCEntral> ohhh
[08:09] <baddog> I've got my 4 workspaces, but no Compiz
[08:09] <baddog> hm
[08:09] <Coldhak> :/ if i hang here too much, i'll need to install compiz if only for diagnostic purposes
[08:09] <baddog> now, I just started compiz, and it's back to two >_>
[08:10] <Coldhak> then configure compiz
[08:10] <XFCEntral> yeahh
[08:10] <XFCEntral> i would if it didnt slow me down
[08:10] <baddog> *sigh*
[08:10] <baddog> *stabs compiz*
[08:10] <baddog> lol
[08:10] <XFCEntral> #compiz-fusion :/
[08:10] <Coldhak> it should have a configuration util itself
[08:10] <Coldhak> ...yeah, they'll know more about this
[08:10] <XFCEntral> like compiz settings manager or w/e its caleld
[08:11] <XFCEntral> im by no means a guy with a lot of compositor know-how or experience. i cant stand them for too long. haha
[08:12] <XFCEntral> gnome-compiz-manager might help reconfigure the workspaces
[08:12] <baddog> hm
[08:15] <baddog> ah-hah, found it, thanks to  #compiz-fusion  :D
[08:15] <XFCEntral> or rather, try compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:15] <XFCEntral> oh good!
[08:16] <XFCEntral> hey i give you credit for getting your hands dirty with compiz
[08:16] <XFCEntral> i tend to shun it. lol
[08:16] <baddog> heh
[08:18] <baddog> ooh, cube :D
[08:18] <XFCEntral> teh cubez!
[08:19] <XFCEntral> i like the mac-osx style, cover-flow window switcher
[08:26] <baddog> yeah
[08:41] <Coldhak> i got to lvl 25 on the bubble game, and i got bored :/
[08:42] <XFCEntral> yeahh sounds about right to me haha
[08:43] <owen1> how to send videoout command from terminal?
[08:59] <ttf> hola.. which is the default mailclient on xubuntu?
[08:59] <ttf> and the default music player?
[09:00] <ttf> looks like I'd like to have a list of default packages - where can I look at one?
[09:01] <ttf> I mean - the packages that get installed as default
[09:02] <ttf> hmm - would somebody care to paste me the output of        dpkg -l | grep ^ii      somewhere of a more or less naked default xubuntu installation
[09:02] <ttf> ?
[09:03] <Coldhak> a) boot from disk, b) pipe said command into a file on the drive
[09:07] <owen1> how to send vide-out command from terminal? or is it a change in xorg.conf?
[09:15] <mnemoc> there is any gtk-only "grandma-friendly" photo importer?
[09:17] <Raylz> hi, ive installed xubuntu 8.10 beta on my acer aspire one 110L and im having huge fonts
[10:47] <nnull> im trying to sudo apt-get install openwebmail but it says E no such package.. any tips?
[10:48] <knome> nnull, what are you trying to install?
[10:48] <knome> anyway, food ->
[10:48] <nnull> openwenmail knome :)
[10:48] <nnull> web*
[10:48] <knome> brb
[10:49] <nnull> mk
[11:02] <knome> nnull, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenWebMail
[11:04] <nnull> knome¬ yea i got it.. then relised i needed a bunch of other things that are in ubuntu-server
[11:04] <knome> yep. np
[11:04] <knome> glad to hear things working
[11:04] <nnull> you use ubuntu server at all knome ?
[11:04] <knome> no, not really
[11:05] <nnull> mk
[11:05] <knome> i tend to ask my friend for server solutions ;)
[11:05] <knome> and he usually favors debian
[11:13] <nikolam> Hi
[11:13] <nikolam> Dod anyone had some trouble lately with 2.5.24-21 on Xubuntu Hardy 64-bit ?
[11:13] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/287416
[11:13] <nikolam> I needed to go back to 2.6.24-19, too
[11:15] <knome> nikolam, not really. i'm running 2.6.24-21 steadly.
[11:15] <knome> and with no problems described in the bug
[11:15] <nikolam> I had trouble with network i use adsl usb modem
[11:16] <nikolam> also everything was freezing
[11:16] <nikolam> What additional info should I post in that bug, so that i can help solving it?
[11:16] <nnull> whats the difference between 8.04 and 8.04.1 ?
[11:17] <nikolam> bug fixes, newer kernel, etc
[11:17] <nnull> any extra bugs tho? heh
[11:17] <nnull> i fear upgrading, because alot of the time when i do, the system breaks
[11:18] <knome> nnull, do you have a highly customised system?
[11:18] <nikolam> nnull, what version zou use now?
[11:18] <nnull> knome¬ not really.
[11:18] <nnull> 8.04
[11:19] <nnull> and its the first solid system ive had since pre 7.10 :s
[11:19] <knome> woot
[11:19] <nikolam> 8.04.1 is not cind of upgrade, it is security for 8.04
[11:19] <knome> you must have some kranky hw
[11:19] <nnull> knome heh.. dualcore intel running agp video kranky enough? :P
[11:20] <nikolam> I was thinking to stay with 8.04 a bit longer
[11:20] <nnull> pretty sure implementing pulseaudio has fixed some sound lockups i was having tho
[11:20] <nikolam> But I need UDF fs support, so..
[11:22] <nnull> im watching waterworld, i used to think this chick was ugly, she looks hot in high def
[11:22] <nikolam> nnull, what kernel do you use? (uname -a) are you on 64-bit?
[11:22] <nnull> 32bit
[11:23] <nikolam> oh.. never mind then.
[11:23] <nnull> don't know of any reason id need 64bit
[11:24] <nikolam> .. if you have more then 2 gigs of ram..
[11:24] <nikolam> or if you have 64-bit cpui
[11:24] <nnull> i had 2 gig exactly heh
[11:24] <nnull> have*
[11:24] <nikolam> 64bit is a tiny bit faster
[11:24] <nnull> and my cpu is 64bit, both of them
[11:25] <nikolam> and u can always use 8 gigs ;)
[11:25] <nnull> tiny bit less stable and incompatable at the same time tho eh?
[11:25] <nikolam> no, tiny bit future-opened
[11:25] <knome> nnull, i think 64bit is stable enough.
[11:25] <knome> nnull, you should use it. it has no big caveats anymore.
[11:25] <nikolam> 64bit Is more then stable
[11:25] <knome> nnull, most hardware work with it now.
[11:26] <nnull> ah k
[11:26] <knome> nnull, there's not a lot packages you have to build yourself anymore (or at all)
[11:26] <nnull> just remember hearing so much flack about it when it first came out
[11:26] <nikolam> I use it since 6.10. Every problem i used to fix back then, is now working automatically
[11:26] <knome> nnull, it's come a long way since then
[11:26] <nnull> ahh k nice
[11:26] <knome> nikolam, exactly the same i've done. :)
[11:27] <nnull> and no problems with VMware etc?
[11:28] <knome> nnull, not at all.
[11:28] <knome> nnull, i use vmware for production
[11:28] <nnull> cool cool
[11:28] <knome> anyway i have to fly once again. i might be back in half an hour, or then not.
[11:28] <knome> ->
[11:28] <nikolam> I use qemu/kvm for 64-bit guests , using virtual machine manager (virt-manager)
[11:28] <nikolam> ok, i me too, got to go
[11:29] <nnull> okie catchas
[11:29] <nikolam> cu
[14:41] <utomega> Hi
[14:41] <vidd> hello utomega
[14:42] <utomega> If I install and try the Xubuntu 8.10 test version, do I have to later download the stable release or will it update itself?
[14:43] <utomega> :D, I guess my questions have already bored you.
[14:44] <vidd> no....once 8.10 is stable, you simply apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:44] <utomega> ok, thanks, I'll install it then :)
[14:45] <vidd> and you no longer see the "experimental" thing
[14:45] <vidd> in fact....i did so today, and that message is gone
[14:50] <utomega> well, hopefully I'll come back later, cya
[14:55] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a large difference in xubuntu or ubuntu?
[15:00] <Odd-rationale> Eeyore-Jr: yes and no...
[15:01] <Odd-rationale> Eeyore-Jr: they are different in that ubuntu uses gnome, and xubuntu uses xfce.
[15:01] <Odd-rationale> but both gnome and xfce uses gtk... so they are similar in that respect
[15:01] <Odd-rationale> you will likely see the same apps in both ubuntu and xubuntu.... synaptics, brasero, firefox, etc...
[15:02] <Eeyore-Jr> ok.  it was the apps i was wondering about
[15:02] <Eeyore-Jr> same apps, different look and feel
[15:02] <Eeyore-Jr> with xubuntu being "lighter"
[15:04] <Odd-rationale> Eeyore-Jr: yeah, xfce, the desktop environment, is a lot lighter than gnome.
[15:04] <Odd-rationale> Eeyore-Jr: desktop environment are stuff like the window manager, panels, applets, etc...
[16:18] <karel__> hey
[16:20] <utomega> hey, lol
[16:20] <utomega> so, I installed Xubuntu 8.10 :)
[16:21] <vidd> hello utomega
[16:21] <vidd> and what do you think of it?
[16:21] <utomega> It's cool :), better than fedora
[16:22] <vidd> thats like saying stars are big =]
[16:22] <utomega> :D
[16:23] <utomega> one thing I can't get done, I tried in terminal: "su -" and then typed my password, didn't authenticate me
[16:24] <vidd> you need to do "sudo su"
[16:24] <utomega> oh, ok, ty
[16:24] <vidd> *buntu has root disabled by default
[16:24] <utomega> I see
[16:25] <Myrtti> sudo -i would be nice
[16:25] <Myrtti> it does the same thing.
[16:25] <Myrtti> nicer and better than sudo su
[16:25] <utomega> :)
[16:25] <vidd> Myrtti, what does -i do?
[16:29] <Myrtti> ehm, nevermind
[16:29] <Myrtti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Special%20notes%20on%20sudo%20and%20shells
[16:29] <Myrtti> just read that
[16:37] <utomega> vidd, should I do the apt-get.. thing now?
[16:38] <vidd> you can
[16:38] <vidd> it wont hurt any
[16:40] <utomega> Ok, to be honest I had already started it, it's geting for the 9th time someking of main Translation-et [4975B]
[16:41] <utomega> here goes 10
[16:57] <Woo> !ftp
[16:57] <Woo> !ftpd
[17:08] <Alan_New> did somebody get the "transport endpoint is not connected" error in Intrepid when accessing a shared folder via fusesmb?
[17:09] <Woo> I think I've set up an SSH server now, so now I can just log in with my username and password to access all my files from my Windows box?
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> Woo: you need an ssh/scp client for windows...
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> Woo: try: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/winscp_portable
[17:12] <Woo> Thanks.
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> putty is an ssh client: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/putty_portable
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> and both of these are portable, you can put them on a usb stick and run them from anywhere computer...
[17:14] <Woo> Hmm, well I just need something I can sync my documents from my laptop. FTP prooved so difficult in Ubuntu. :S
[17:14] <Woo> Yay it worked!
[17:15] <Woo> I mean I got a terminal.
[17:15] <Odd-rationale> Woo: winscp and putty are for windows...
[17:16] <Woo> Yes, I know.
[17:16] <Woo> Is this anything like FTP?
[17:16] <Odd-rationale> Woo: scp is similar to ftp
[17:17] <Woo> Sorry? How can I transfer my files through this thing?
[17:17] <Odd-rationale> Woo: did you install winscp?
[17:17] <Woo> No, just Putty. I thought it was the same thing. I'll try to get it now.
[17:18] <Odd-rationale> winscp is a bit easier....
[17:22] <Woo> Alright, it worked.
[17:23] <Woo> Is there any way I can limit the directories I can read?
[17:23] <Odd-rationale> Woo: yeah, by settings the premissions on the directory...
[17:23] <Odd-rationale> (not sure if you want to do that... )
[17:23] <vocal6> hey guys im trying to install a theme, but how come i cant paste to usr/share/themes ? and how do i extract tar to a destination?
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: try to extract to ~/.themes
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: or use sudo
[17:24] <Woo> I basically just want to have access to /storage. So that a potential thief of my laptop can't access anything else through SSH.
[17:24] <vocal6> Odd-rationale, tar xvfz Xaphire.tar.gz ~/.themes  ??
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: tar xvfz theme.tar.gz; cp -r theme ~/.themes
[17:26] <Odd-rationale> Woo: if a thief manages to get in to your machine via ssh, it is time to ghange passwords... :P
[17:26] <zoredache> Woo: potential thief?  Someone who steals the laptop, or?  If someone steals the laptop, and your files aren't encrypted, they have everything
[17:27] <vocal6> Odd-rationale, works but doesnt show up in window manager
[17:27] <zoredache> If you want to limit ssh to a subdirectory you could use something like rssh.  It is pretty complex to setup though
[17:28] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: can i see the link to the theme?
[17:28] <Woo> I would have a program on my laptop that has the password to log in through SSH saved. That way it will backup stuff from my laptop automatically.
[17:28] <Woo> If it was stolen the thief could access not only data on my laptop, but on the SSH server as well.
[17:29] <Woo> all the data on it.
[17:29] <vocal6> Odd-rationale,  http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Xaphire?content=88496
[17:29] <Woo> But I can just make a new user and chown /storage, right?
[17:29] <zoredache> if you want to automatically login with SSH, you shouldn't use a password.  SSH can use keys for authentication
[17:30] <Woo> Right, I'll take that late
[17:30] <Woo> later*
[17:31] <zoredache> creating an account and setting up filesystem permissions correctly should limit a user to only accessing what you allowed
[17:32] <Woo> If I log in now I see everything in /home/username now with the main user which can access everything.
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: so do you have a ~/.themes/Xaphire/xfwm4/ directory?
[17:32] <Woo> I want to just see one folder there, which is /home/myusername/skolebackup. Must I create a new system user to do that?
[17:33] <vocal6> Odd-rationale, no just .themes/xfwm4
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: when you untar'd the Xaphire.tar.gz tarball, did you get a Xaphire directory?
[17:34] <vocal6> Odd-rationale, i just opened thunar and copied/pasted xaphire folder and now it works, wonder why couldnt do it through terminal
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> vocal6: :?
[17:36] <zoredache> in the winscp client you can set what directory you start in by default.  The user will be able to change directories.  If you want to tryly limit the ssh account to a particuarly directory, you would need to setup a chroot with something like rssh
[17:39] <wormsxulla> there is winscp for xubuntu? (pardon the silly question)
[17:39] <TheSheep> there is normal scp
[17:40] <zoredache> gftp-gtk is a close approximation
[17:40] <wormsxulla> ah
[17:40]  * wormsxulla checks
[17:41] <wormsxulla> is there a way to stop network-manager from reconnecting to "null" wireless network at startup?
[17:41] <wormsxulla> as, apparently, it takes a while to find the proper network
[17:43] <Woo> And those programs are hard for newbies, TheSheep?
[17:45] <TheSheep> Woo: no, scp works the same as any other copying command on the command line of any system out there, including dos and window's cmd
[17:45] <Woo> I mean limiting directories
[17:46] <TheSheep> Woo: it's even easier if you have tab-completion in bash enabled
[17:46] <TheSheep> Woo: well, setting up a daeon i chroot is an advanced topic, certainly
[17:46] <TheSheep> daemon
[17:46] <vidd> wormsxulla, i 86'd network manager in favor of wicd
[17:46] <Woo> ko
[17:47] <Woo> ok
[17:47] <Woo> so the best i can do is adding an user?
[17:47] <TheSheep> I didn't follow the whole discussion
[17:48] <Woo> I want to login with SFTP or SSH (something like that) and be listed /home/myuser/skolebackup only
[17:50] <vocal6> the themes just change the 'window manager' where do you get 'user interfaces' ??
[17:51] <tomahowk> hi guys
[17:51] <tomahowk> ive got a question....
[17:52] <charlie-tca> !question
[17:52] <tomahowk> how do i get my video card installed on Xubuntu?
[17:53] <wormsxulla> vidd: thanks, i'll check
[17:53] <vidd> wormsxulla, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[17:54] <vidd> wormsxulla, if you prefer, i have a .deb file as well
[17:54] <tomahowk> i think i have a Savage 4, but how do i get it installed on Xubuntu? when i used displayconfig it does not want to work, I cant run Compiz Fusion because of this
[17:56] <tomahowk> no-one?
[17:56] <tomahowk> great.... XD
[17:57] <vidd> !patience | tomahowk
[17:57] <vocal6> wats another better file manager than thunar for xubuntu
[17:58] <vidd> vocal6, depends on what you mean "better"
[17:58] <vocal6> advanced than thunar, i tried nautiluts orsmoething but it never showed up in menu?
[18:00] <vidd> tomahowk, do you have savage_drv.o in your /lib/firmware folder?
[18:01] <tomahowk> oh i dont really know actually
[18:02] <tomahowk> i just got xubuntu for... 2 weeks?
[18:02] <vidd> ok....
[18:02] <vidd> open thunar, browse to /lib/firmware, and check?
[18:03] <tomahowk> okay
[18:03] <tomahowk> got that
[18:03] <tomahowk> what now?
[18:03] <vidd> check out http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man4/savage.html
[18:03] <vocal6> lol
[18:04] <tomahowk> but vidd i dont have savage_drv.o
[18:04] <vidd> ???
[18:04] <vidd> you said you did
[18:04] <vidd> ok....give me a sec
[18:05] <tomahowk> yes said it wrong sorry :P
[18:05] <vocal6> u wont be forgiven for this
[18:06] <tomahowk> in the folder Firmware ive only got: 2.6.24-19-generic
[18:07] <vidd> and did you open it?
[18:07] <tomahowk> no...
[18:07] <tomahowk> should i?
[18:08] <vocal6> do you feel like opening it?
[18:08] <vidd> yes....that is the folder that has your built-in kernel drivers
[18:08] <tomahowk> it doesn't contain any folders with savage in its name
[18:09] <vidd> what about files?
[18:10] <tomahowk> vidd: ill go have a look, wait a moment please ;D
[18:10] <vidd> np
[18:10] <JannoTT> !code::blocks
[18:11] <tomahowk> sorry vidd, the folder doenst contain anything called Savage
[18:11] <vidd> ok
[18:11] <vidd> what does lspci say your video card is?
[18:12] <tomahowk> lspci?
[18:13] <vidd> open terminal, and type lspci
[18:15] <tomahowk> okay
[18:15] <vidd> what does it say your card is?
[18:15] <tomahowk> wow what now?!
[18:16] <tomahowk> Vga compitable controller:
[18:16] <vidd> yes
[18:16] <tomahowk> S3 inc. VT8375 ProSavage8 KM266 KL266
[18:17] <vidd> tomahowk, see if this helps:
[18:17] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11400
[18:17]  * vidd has to go to lunch now....
[18:17] <vidd> bbs
[18:17] <tomahowk> okay cya
[18:18] <Mimi> Anyone know how to stop xfce from giving me 6 workspaces? when i go to the settings manager and set it to 2, save changes, it will still show 6 even after log out and in. no i dont have compiz ^^;
[18:23] <Woo> How can I add a user?
[18:23] <Mimi> Do you have System ---> Users and Groups  ?
[18:24] <Woo> I use gnome
[18:24] <Woo> but yes
[18:24] <Woo> I can't unlock it. I can only go to properties for my own account.
[18:26] <Woo> So is there a command line I can type?
[18:26] <Mimi> can't use the "Unlock button at the bottom of the window? Just typing your user password (not root's since there isnt any)   If not, are you sure you are on the sudoers group?
[18:26] <Mimi> Oh yeah, there is
[18:27] <JannoTT> adduser is the command
[18:27] <Mimi> man adduser for more info
[18:27] <Woo> Te unlock button is white.
[18:28] <Mimi> Not greyed out? That's how it should be
[18:28] <Woo> It is greyed out.
[18:28] <Mimi> Ah
[18:28] <nikolam> Thunar on 8.10 amd64 works like dead rabbit. until you kill gam_server..
[18:28] <nikolam> ..again
[18:29] <Woo> so 'sudo adduser (username)'?
[18:30] <Mimi> Hey someone here told me yesterday that with xfce you can have true desktop transparency on your terminal, instead of it showing the windows under it. anyone know how?
[18:30] <Mimi> yes woo
[18:30] <TheSheep> Mimi: enable compositing in settings->window manager tweaks
[18:30] <Mimi> TheSheep, I did ^^
[18:31] <TheSheep> that's it
[18:31] <Mimi> the terminal still isnt showing the desktop behind it
[18:32] <JannoTT> !xfce
[18:32] <Mimi> not a big deal anyway, i just dont like a solid color on the terminal, gets tiring on my eyes after a while
[18:32] <TheSheep> Mimi: did you enable transparency in terminal settings?
[18:32] <Mimi> TheSheep,  yes, but that shows the windows under it, not the desktop wallpaper
[18:32] <TheSheep> Mimi: ah, you want fake transaparency, then disable compositing :)
[18:32] <TheSheep> Mimi: or just set the same wallpaper for the terminal background
[18:33] <Mimi> same thing with compiz >.< I actually need compositing for transparent windows (bad ADD :P )
[18:33] <Mimi> Oh well no big deal
[18:33] <Mimi> Thanks :)
[18:34] <TheSheep> they didn't know anybody would actually want fake transparency when you can have real one :)
[18:34] <Mimi> its very distracting with all the windows showing behind, but too hard on the eyes with a solid color ;p for me anyway
[18:37] <Mimi> Hey, I found a very simple, victorian dark flower pattern then used the slider to shade it darker (love that stuff about xfce! can even shade the desktop darker ^.^ )
[18:37] <Mimi> that works well for me now :D
[18:41] <Woo> What do I enter in room number?
[18:41] <vidd> Woo, its not needed
[18:41] <Woo> so i enter blank?
[18:42] <vidd> if you wish
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Just hit enter, Woo
[18:44] <Woo> Ok, I connected using my new user. But I can still access the whole system. :S
[18:45] <vidd> Woo, aceess or view?
[18:45] <Woo> I haven't tried deleting anything.
[18:45] <Woo> I log in with it with SFTP.
[18:45] <vidd> Woo, ah....
[18:46] <vidd> you should set your ftp server to jail the user into their home directory
[18:46] <vidd> come to #xubuntu-offtopic and i will help you
[18:47] <JannoTT> Dang. Somehow i just removed the top and bottom bar. How i get em back? :P
[18:49] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm having problems with video.  any ideas?
[18:50] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, let me re-phrase that, where do i start
[18:53] <Woo> So you know how I can fix this?
[18:53] <vidd> im looking here:
[18:54] <vidd> http://www.linux.com/articles/61387
[18:54] <Woo> I have to say this is getting funny. :P
[18:54] <vidd> why?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> JannoTT: run xfce4-panel
[18:55] <Woo> I would have done this in 5 min with Windows software
[18:55] <Woo> just setting up a server and a user so i could connect
[18:55] <JannoTT> charlie-tca: Thanks. :P
[18:55] <charlie-tca> np
[18:56] <charlie-tca> !video
[18:56] <vidd> Woo, if you had configured an ftp server, there is a universal setting to jail all users
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Eeyore-Jr: What video, your card, dvd's, ?
[18:56] <vidd> i have personally never used sftp via command line
[18:57] <Woo> I have not configured an FTP server as neither would start. :S
[18:57] <vidd> really?
[18:57] <Woo> Can you help me set one up there instead if you are good at it?
[18:57] <vidd> what app did you try to use?
[18:57] <vidd> and how do you know they failed to start?
[18:57] <Woo> Yeah, I got one of the ftpds and the admin interface for it, but it would not start because of some TLS stuff in the config. It could not find the certificate I think.
[18:58] <vidd> ok....your server....how "beefy" is it?
[18:58] <Eeyore-Jr> nvidia GeForce 8800 CE
[18:58] <Woo> What does beefy mean?
[18:58] <Eeyore-Jr> charlie-tca:
[18:59] <vidd> ram, processor speed, hd space
[18:59] <vidd> im mostly concerned with ram
[18:59] <Woo> 512mb PC3200, 2ghz amd athlon 64, 80gb 2,5" usb + an 1,9GB.
[19:00] <vidd> Woo, plenty "beefy"
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Eeyore-Jr: I don't the question
[19:00] <vidd> the application i recommend would be proftpd
[19:00] <vidd> "sudo apt-get install proftpd"
[19:02] <Eeyore-Jr> charlie-tca: the video is NVidia GeForce 8800 CE.  I'm not getting any video after installation
[19:02] <charlie-tca> so you restarted after install Xubuntu Version??? and saw what ?
[19:03] <Eeyore-Jr> yes, after install, both 8.04.1 and 8.10 Beta, RC after reboot i get the splash screen and then blank.  no video
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Did the live cd run ?
[19:05] <Eeyore-Jr> same with the live cd, splash screen, no video
[19:06] <charlie-tca> And did all the cd's pass the cd integrity check on the first screen?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Was this a new install or an upgrade?
[19:07] <Eeyore-Jr> new install
[19:07] <Eeyore-Jr> all the cd's pass
[19:08] <Eeyore-Jr> in fact, switching to another tty shows the system is up and running, but no login screen for the gui
[19:08] <charlie-tca> So you got the blinking dash, huh?
[19:09] <Eeyore-Jr> no blinking dash
[19:09] <Eeyore-Jr> i can get a login if i switch to F4 and login.  when i try to "startx" it tells me it's already started on display 0
[19:09] <Eeyore-Jr> so X is starting, but no gdm
[19:09] <charlie-tca> oh-oh. Did this card work with an earlier version of anything, or windows?
[19:10] <Eeyore-Jr> windows
[19:10] <Eeyore-Jr> windows xp pro
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Sounds like it's missing the driver for your card. give me a minute to look something up...
[19:11] <Eeyore-Jr> shouldn't it fallback to vesa or svga?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Won't always. You can try some switches with the live cd.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Things like noacpi or nolacpi
[19:12] <Eeyore-Jr> can i try that upon boot through grub?
[19:13] <Eeyore-Jr> on installed system?
[19:13] <JannoTT> Kdevelop works fine on xubuntu?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Yes, hilite the entry, hit e for edit, take out "quiet" at the end and add in acpi=noacpi
[19:14] <charlie-tca> JannoTT: apparently it is blurred fonts
[19:14] <JannoTT> :8
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Eeyore-Jr: what's you computer?
[19:18] <Eeyore-Jr> well, that was interesting.  "acpi=noacpi" causes the system to reboot
[19:18] <Eeyore-Jr> amd64, 3g, 2gmem
[19:19] <Eeyore-Jr> let me get the board spec
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Single monitor, vga or dvi
[19:19] <Eeyore-Jr> either
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> via direct or through a kvm
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> widescreen
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, i think it's a asus lanparty SLI multi-gpu
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Which one are you using? If both are connected, try disconnecting one
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm only using on
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> er, one
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> vga atm
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> someone mentioned some keystroke the other day to cycle through resolutions, which i did and i did get a color, but no picture at that point
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> kinda scribbly stuff
[19:22] <Eeyore-Jr> but i've forgotten what the keystroke sequence was
[19:24] <charlie-tca> can you go to /etc/X11 and look for xorg.vonf
[19:24] <charlie-tca> xorg.conf
[19:25] <Eeyore-Jr> xorg.conf is empty
[19:26] <Eeyore-Jr> wasn't *untu doing something funny there? and picking up some other file?
[19:26] <Eeyore-Jr> iirc
[19:26] <charlie-tca> delete xorg.conf and restart to recovery mode. choose fix x
[19:26] <charlie-tca> then restart
[19:26] <charlie-tca> no, continue
[19:26] <Odd-rationale> i think "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" will generate a new xorg.con file
[19:27] <charlie-tca> not in 8.10, and it won't for me in 8.04, Odd-rationale
[19:27] <Odd-rationale> hmm... i hate the new xorg in 8.04... :(
[19:27] <charlie-tca> me too!
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I had one card do this to me, but fix x worked on it
[19:30] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, i've tried that.  it appears that there is a package "nvidia-glx-177" for my card i need.  ealier this morning i had this connected to the inet, after re-install with ubuntu-alternate-intrepid-rc, it won't access the network either
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I thought you couldn't get any desktop?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> If you're using DHCP, it should have networking enabled automatically in intrepid
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Were there any install errors?
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> no install errors, i'm using dhcp
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> ifconfig shows 192.168.0.255
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> which is wrong, as it does not appear to be getting an ip
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> it had previously
[19:37] <Eeyore-Jr> graphics wise, i get the splash screen, which completes, a blinking cursro, a flash, and then blank
[19:38] <charlie-tca> You can set that to the correct IP manually. Network Manager should leave it alone until you
[19:38] <charlie-tca> get to the desktop
[19:40] <Eeyore-Jr> i gtg to lunch
[19:40] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Eeyore-Jr: Could you add your issues to a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/267188
[19:42] <charlie-tca> It's on the nvidia drivers not working right
[19:46] <JannoTT> charlie-tca: If Kdevelop is blurred then what you use? :)
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I don't
[19:46] <JannoTT> ok
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I just saw an earlier report on it on another channel
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Maybe switching fonts in it would help, if you can
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Or, turn on hinting - slight and sub-pixel hinting in User Interface
[20:53] <bytor4232> Hm.  Interesting annoyance with avant-window-navigator.  When using it with xfwm's compositor turned on, when I click on an icon, it brings the window to the current desktop.  Any way to disable this feature somehow?
[20:53] <TheSheep> bytor4232: no, that's a bug in awn that was "fixed" in xfce 4.6
[20:54] <TheSheep> bytor4232: you could also patch your xfwm
[20:54] <bytor4232> ic.
[20:54] <bytor4232> I can wait.  No biggie.
[20:54] <bytor4232> Heck, next week I might not even be using awn.
[20:57] <djohngo> I'd like to recompile the kernel for an old, slow, low-memory machine.
[20:57] <djohngo> Are there any Xubuntu specific HOWTOs, or with the ubuntu one suffice?
[20:58] <djohngo> with = will
[20:58] <vidd> djohngo, the ubuntu one should suffice
[20:58] <shirish> hi all, python-exo showed up as an deprecated package in system-cleaner-gtk, this is a ubuntu-xubuntu box.
[20:58] <djohngo> thanks
[20:58] <shirish> I had written on the mailing list and they said something is broken on my system, if its true, I would like to know where and what.
[20:59] <shirish> can anybody help me in finding out the same, thanx in advance.
[20:59] <vidd> shirish, could you be slightly more specific?
[21:01] <shirish> vidd: hi :)
[21:01] <shirish> vidd: I ran system-cleaner-gtk that's the tool to get rid of cruft or obsoleted packages, or that's what it says
[21:02] <shirish> vidd: when I ran it, it shows python-exo as the only deprecated/not-used package
[21:02] <vidd> ok...
[21:02] <shirish> vidd: I look up information for python-exo and it says it does stuff for session-management and all for xfce
[21:03] <vidd> did you remove it?
[21:03] <shirish> vidd: nope, not yet, its still there thankfully.
[21:03] <shirish> vidd: I just wanna know whether its deprecated or not
[21:04] <vidd> are you having an issue running your system?
[21:04] <shirish> vidd: nope, its just its in the optional repository and I wanna keep my system as fresh and good as possible.
[21:05] <shirish> apttude show python-exo and apt-cache show python-exo tells a bit about them.
[21:05] <vidd> id let it be
[21:06] <shirish> vidd: ok cool
[21:06] <shirish> thank you for your help.
[21:35] <S-i-A> hi every one
[21:35] <knome> hello.
[21:35] <S-i-A> the ubuntu-desktop is just meta pack, and i will remove & purge the gnome desktop?
[21:35] <knome> ?!
[21:36] <S-i-A> ihow can i remove ubuntu-desktop or gnome completly?
[21:36] <knome> !purexfce
[21:37] <S-i-A> i know that knome thanx
[21:38] <knome> so what do you want then, if not that?
[21:40] <S-i-A> thanx no more :) i remove it yet
[21:40] <knome> ..ok.
[21:41] <S-i-A> and what is the xfce version with 8.10?
[21:42] <knome> <4.6
[21:42] <TheSheep> 4.4.3 I think
[21:42] <knome> i don't know the exact version
[21:42] <TheSheep> 4.4.2
[21:42] <S-i-A> ok thanx
[21:43] <S-i-A> what is new in 4.6? have network manager?
[21:44] <S-i-A> and soulution for wireless user :)
[21:44] <knome> hmm? you can use the gnome-network-manager already in 8.04
[21:45] <S-i-A> :(
[21:45] <Myrtti> ?
[21:45] <S-i-A> is very nice if xfce have network-manager
[21:45] <Myrtti> it does
[21:46] <Myrtti> ... gnome-network-manager
[21:46] <Myrtti> it's the name of the package
[21:46] <Myrtti> since it uses gtk as does most of the other xfce apps
[21:46] <knome> g-d-m is also at openbox \o/
[21:47] <knome> i mean, g-n-m
[21:47] <knome> duh. :)
[21:47] <S-i-A> realy liked KDE but with kde4 wiiiii
[21:48] <S-i-A> is absolute F***
[21:51] <S-i-A> brb
[21:54] <Eeyore-Jr> k, back to the video/network
[21:55] <Eeyore-Jr> someone mentioned i could set the network manually.  i'm assuming they meant the hosts file
[22:44] <S-i-A> hi again
[22:44] <S-i-A> the xubuntu is complete installed but have a problem
[22:45] <S-i-A> the keyboard layout change dont worked more
[22:45] <DCPom> I need a 10 day uranium trade. Any offers?
[22:46] <S-i-A> however is in xorg.conf correct and in setting manager>>keyboard to, how can i fix it?
[22:47] <S-i-A> the xkbkeyboard is so
[22:47] <S-i-A> http://paste.debian.net/19884/
[22:48] <S-i-A> but if i change session to gnome can i use Alt+Shift to change layout currectly
[22:49] <S-i-A> any idea?
[23:17] <Blatz> Hello
[23:17] <Blatz> I was wondering how to boot straight to the command line with xubuntu.
[23:19] <Blatz> I don't need the graphic interface all the time, and some swap file is used right away after boot.
[23:20] <Blatz> Also, it seems I am not able to use ssh until I am logged into the graphic interface.
[23:20] <Blatz> I take it that is not normal?
[23:22] <Blatz> Maybe something with the lan card driver?
[23:25] <zoredache> you are right, not being able to ssh in until you are logged into the gui is not normal for a wired connection
[23:25] <zoredache> if you want to disable the gui loading, you would disable GDM as a startup service
[23:27] <zoredache> are you sure, that you just don't have a slow dhcp server?
[23:28] <Blatz> zoredache, I don't know anymore...the connection has been acting up
[23:28] <Blatz> anyway, I figured out my first question.  :)
[23:31] <Blatz> now the connection attempt via ssh is refused.
[23:31] <Blatz> Anything to do with me logging in to command like as root without loading the GUI?
[23:33] <Blatz> Something with port 24?
[23:35] <zoredache> can you ping anything?
[23:36] <Blatz> I will try
[23:37] <Blatz> ok, now I am able to access the machine via ssh when left at the GUI log in.
[23:37] <Blatz> maybe its just slow as its a p3 with 256 RAM
[23:38] <Blatz> 550MHz or some odd mhz
[23:38] <Blatz> sweet, no swap used now, thats all I wanted.  Thanks.
[23:39] <Blatz> bye zoredache
[23:46] <perforate> hey all
[23:47] <perforate> got a ?
[23:47] <perforate> about remote desktop
[23:47] <Meeso_OS> ask it ._.
[23:47] <perforate> can I use it to retrieve files off other windows computers on my network
[23:48] <perforate> or fix clients computers (windows)
[23:48] <zoredache> maybe.  It is technically possible, but it is tricky to get going
[23:48] <perforate> I noticed
[23:49] <zoredache> you need to make sure the TS settings on the windows boxes allow for maping of client drives, and you will probably have to start rdestop from the cli with the options to enable local device access
[23:50] <perforate> I have my windows computers recognizing my xubuntu computer but I can't see windows computers from Xubuntu computer
[23:50] <zoredache> if you do a man rdesktop, you are looking for the -r option for a description onhow to do it
[23:50] <zoredache> if you are talking about using windows file sharing you might want to setup fusesmb
[23:50] <perforate> allright
[23:50] <zoredache> !fusesmb
[23:51] <perforate> thankyou much ...I can take it from here