[00:00] ;) [00:00] i think i'll sleep now. good night everybody! [02:22] Hello all [02:24] Does anyone know if you need a hard drive disk in order to properly boot a livecd? [02:24] I try without one and it goes to busybox [02:28] I don't think it should be necessary, was that today's CD? [02:34] hey all [02:34] another windows convert here [02:35] I own a networking business, so I am no slouch to learning new things ,but having trouble networking with windows machines [02:35] hey perforate, Welcome to Xubuntu [02:36] have 4 machines currently hooked up now to a 8 port 100/1000 switch [02:36] with a netgear router in front of itit [02:37] any help anyone? [02:37] What's your question? [02:38] how do I go about configuring the network ...where do I go [02:38] Or start [02:39] do I use network tools to do this [02:39] !networking [02:39] Sorry, I don't know anything about networking [02:39] !network [02:39] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [02:39] not wireless, but file sharing [02:39] Are you using static IP's [02:39] between xubuntu and windows machines [02:40] no , DHCP [02:40] I use NFS myself, but I have windows machines. You can start with Samba, I think [02:40] !samba [02:40] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. Also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212098 [02:40] I can set up static behind the router though [02:40] No point in setting up static as long as DHCP is working. [02:41] right [02:41] There are a couple of links there from ubottu on samba, just click to open them. Also check out [02:42] thunar ( file manager ), Go -> Open Location. It should help set up shared folders [02:55] thankyou very much, your a great help [03:02] perforate: I hope it helps some. If you have problems, come back and ask. If you just ask a question, someone will see it and answer [03:07] thanks all I used to use irc only to "trade" software back and forth ...first time as a useful chat ...thanks all. [03:07] You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. === _RandyboY is now known as RandyboY [03:38] hello! how do I use .pcf and .ttf fonts in xubuntu? [03:39] anyone? [03:40] there should be a download for true type fonts in the repositories, have you picked up any yet? [03:41] no... today is only my first day with xubuntu. :) I don't know much about it. I have a .pcf font that I want to use with an xfce theme, but I can't seem to install it. Can you help me out? [03:41] i can sure try! i know that .ttf should be easiest, just: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts [03:42] let me look into .pcf real quick [03:42] thank you... in the meantime, I will try that command in the terminal. [03:43] np. that will include andale mono, arial black, arial, comic sans ms, courier new, georgia, impact, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana, and webdings [03:43] OK, it installed certain fonts. Good. [03:44] I want to install segoeui and calibri. [03:44] oh okay [03:44] and also a certain 'lime.pcf' font. [03:44] thats right--is calibri the new default from office 2007? [03:45] indeed it is. [03:47] here's a link for installing vista fonts in ubuntu: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/installing-vista-fonts-in-ubuntu/ [03:47] awesome! [03:47] .pcf font directions: http://www.nazgum.com/2007/12/09/ubuntu-pcf-fonts/ [03:48] hope that makes it easier for you to work it out, rather than filling up this chat with directions. good luck! [03:48] woot... thanks a lot! :) [03:48] no problem! [03:48] and enjoy xubuntu [03:49] I most certainly will :) I just need to get used to all this command-lining. I am sure I'll be used to it in no time. [03:49] thanks again, adios! [03:56] hey i was trying to install Flock, after taring it how come /.flock doesnt work? [03:56] ./flock-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [03:57] do you have that dependency downloaded yet? [03:58] no? i just downloaded flock from website and tared it and tried doing this.. what should i aptget? [03:58] i have build essential thats it [03:58] libstdc++.so.5, if thats the exact name of the library file [03:59] probably wont work if its missing the shared libraries it needs [03:59] how can i get those libs [04:00] take that missing library's name and search for it in synaptic. you could apt-get it alternatively [04:03] how can u search apt-get again? -s ? [04:06] apt-cache search vocal9 [04:17] xubuntu is pretty slow on this comp..is there maybe a faster browser than firefox/flock ? also any tips on making xubuntu run a bitfaster im on 566mhz / 392 or something ram, p2, 20gb hd === Pete_I is now known as Coldhak [05:48] how do I tell what vid card I have on this? [05:49] it's a laptop, so i can't just look at the chip [05:50] sudo apt-get install sysinfo ^_^ Then run sysinfo [05:51] :/ lovely, i have an intel graphics card :/ [05:53] Awww I'm sorry! [05:53] Why is that so bad? ^^ [05:53] (btw does anyone know what's the command for the Add/Remove application ? ) [06:01] hi, my monitor is not being detected in xubuntu. screen resolution is 800x600 :( help! [06:03] Mimi: the command you're looking for is gnome-app-install [06:03] but you may need to prepend that with sudo or gksu [06:04] Oh yes, thanks :) .. mmmm.... Now I'm wondering why install xubuntu if it's bloated with gnome apps/libs anyway... mmm.... *downloads mini cd) [06:04] haha! ive been noticing that myself, over time... [06:05] xfce uses less resources to run? [06:05] It does [06:05] a little bit less [06:06] 'course, you could install compiz to fix that [06:06] Ah, what a meanie :P [06:07] I only use compiz for AWN and for the ADHD pluggin (fade background windows so they are not a distraction) [06:07] I rm'd compiz. it takes too much cpu/ram, :) [06:08] xfce's compos. isnt too bad in my opinion. i dont even use that, but if you wanted drop shadow and to dim out of focus windows, make panels transparent, then it's not bad. quite easy to set up [06:09] im running FF with a gazilion tabs open, epiphany (dont ask why, i dont know) doing intrepid updates, and xchat, and cpu is 10%, memory is 453.2mb ..... Not too bad, eh? (Oh yeah, and compiz and awn on top of that) [06:10] I really miss the window snapping feature when i move back over to windows. don't even really notice it here though [06:10] Mimi: what's your chip? [06:10] it's awesome. [06:10] ... you can dim out of focus windows in xfce?!:D [06:10] mhm [06:10] it's a feature of compiz [06:10] i do like the pretties [06:11] Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Compositor > Opacity of Inactive Windows (slider) [06:11] XFCEntral, Nvidia GeForce 7300, old stuff, I'm sure (assuming thats what you meant) [06:12] * Mimi sudo apt-gets xfce* [06:12] Mimi: I was wondering about you CPU [06:12] :| that's not old, i just bought that graphics card [06:12] Oh really :P [06:12] yeah, like two months ago [06:12] I don't know, I bought this dell refurb laptop... a year ago, so I wasnt sure how old it was ^^ [06:13] hehe and i think xfce's compositor really does a good job, unless you need wobbly windows, things on fire and of course the desktop cube [06:13] xfce does that too? Without compiz? [06:13] nope, it does the nice things you want and leaves out the bells and whistles like those more complex effects [06:13] i like the xfce4-terminal's feature of showing the desktop behind [06:13] Hey if I want fire I'll have a fireplace installed in my apartment :P [06:13] yesss [06:13] :Coldhak [06:14] if i turn on the compositor, it shows the windows and crap, instead of the desktop [06:14] yeahh it makes it true transparent [06:14] I hate that about gnome/compiz.... [06:14] I don't want true transparency though :/ [06:14] yeahh i like the desktop background alone [06:14] easier to read text and less distracting [06:14] still a nice touch [06:15] .... Since you guys are so helpful, do you have any recomendations which xfce packages I should install? xfce , xfcec-artwork, xfce-themes, etc [06:15] did you select xubuntu-desktop [06:15] the themes are pretty ii think, but i don't remember which came from where [06:15] i think that pulls a lot of important packages [06:15] XFCEntral, won't that install a bunch of stuff I don't need? [06:16] it would isntstall a bunch of apps other than xfce [06:16] if you prefer to pick and choose it might be a bad idea [06:16] yeah XFCEntral it installs gnumeric, as an example ;p [06:16] and mousepad [06:16] hehe heyy no problem with GNUmeric, and im a business student. lol [06:16] Oh boy, and network manager *sobs* it would remove my Wicd [06:16] eek. [06:16] good call Mimi [06:17] XFCEntral, limited disk space due to me using windows under v.box *gulp [06:17] ahh [06:17] i run Xubuntu on an asus eee. thats approx 600mhz CPU, 512MB RAM and 4GB solid state storage [06:18] I hope you have a huge usb disk for your files >.< [06:18] ill admit i also use an SD card, basically full time. but I've kept disk usage at about 65% which im happy with [06:18] :/ damn, that's some small specs [06:18] hehe [06:18] yeahh ive really learned to conserve. i just find that fancy effects and games wont work all that well [06:19] I'm trying to get World of Warcraft to work [06:19] Acer Aspire, 80gb hd, 1gb ram [06:19] it crashes linux :| [06:19] using a restricted driver for your graphics card? [06:20] the only games im comfortable running are the GNOME games and DOOM, or bomberclone... frozen bubble [06:20] doesn't appear so [06:20] I like gnometris on it's lowest graphics setting. [06:21] hehe, Guild Wars plays WAY faster and with all the fancy effects on, on Ubuntu than Windows... in Windows, Guild Wars is very sluggish [06:21] simple and entertaining. and it wont crash! luckily haha [06:21] there's always nethack [06:21] i'm sure it'll run on just about anything these days [06:22] true [06:22] nope, no restricted drivers [06:22] well, not for graphics [06:22] theres a tool you can add to install restricted drivers [06:23] envy? [06:23] what tool? [06:23] hmm not familiar with it :/ i believe the one im talking about is a standard tool in GNOME/Ubuntu [06:23] there's the restricted hardware manager [06:23] yes i suppose thats it then [06:24] it says nothing of graphics though [06:24] what graphics card do you have? [06:26] damn, had that data not an hour ago. i forget the command for it [06:26] oh right--the intel card [06:26] yeah. not sure what that's about. I didn't know intel made vid cards [06:27] i've only heard of ATI and Nvidia [06:27] and some old stuff [06:27] maybe nothing shows up for your graphics card because the generic driver might already be sufficient. my card is probably still crap, but because its an ATI, i can use the restricted driver [06:28] I installed envy, and tried to install an ATI driver(my WoW glitch matches something ATI users get apparently), but envy says i do'nt have an ATI card [06:28] however i dont use the driver because "we" disagree on what my screen resolution should be. lol ran into issues with that... [06:29] i start up WoW, and when i get past the loading-world loading screen, the computer crashes [06:29] monitor turns on/off and black, then keyboard appears unresponsive [06:30] yeahh its the Intel integrated graphics [06:30] :( [06:30] you said youve enabled an ATI driver? [06:30] I tried, envy wouldn't install it, because it says I don't have an ATI card [06:30] oh okay. well that's probably for the best. haha [06:31] apparently Intel graphics aren't that great, and most gaming should require a dedicated card ie from ATI or NVIDIA\ [06:31] :/ [06:32] and by "most gaming" i of course do not mean DOOM. things like WoW instead. [06:32] :'( but I don't get my monitor back for three weeks. I wanna play now and this system's all I've got [06:33] my desktop with the expensive, pretty nvidia card is collecting dust without a monitor :( [06:33] ahh [06:33] using a laptop then? [06:33] yeah, asus aspire [06:34] yeahh thats why [06:34] i'm in the middle of a move, so i'm sleeping on a cot and using a camping table for a desk. [06:34] looking around on the net, it seems like intel cards fail people on WoW [06:34] i wants to game damnit :( [06:34] man you are roughing it, considering you cant use your powerful box, either haha [06:35] well, know of any cool, free games then? [06:35] what sort are you looking for? [06:35] help me kill some time 'till i get my box back [06:35] rpg? [06:35] adonthell is okay [06:35] arcade(tetris, etc) [06:35] ? [06:36] You could go look at lolcats [06:36] haha so great [06:36] or play supertux! supeeertux! [06:36] bomberclone [06:36] (bomberman) [06:36] Mimi, no. my friend and I surf 4chan regularly. lolcats are nolonger funny. [06:36] ew. cheeseburger is better, sorry :P [06:37] i can haz monitor? haha [06:37] >:| [06:37] Coldhak: do you like the vertical scrolling, missile and bomb aircombat games? [06:38] classic arcade stuff [06:38] sure [06:38] i used a game like that before... [06:38] and one like galaxian [06:38] straight from the repos [06:38] chromium? [06:38] rings a bell [06:38] yes that was it [06:39] you lose a life if one gets by. insanely difficult [06:39] yeahh likely why i deleted that haha [06:39] do you have frozen bubble? [06:39] thats good for at least 25/30 levels for me [06:39] not yet [06:40] that's a mario clone isn't it? [06:40] frozen bubble? its a puzzle [06:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_Bubble [06:41] looks interesting, I shall play it :) [06:41] its a big favorite, apparently. i like it,t oo [06:42] give it a go! [06:42] supertux's still installing [06:42] haha classic. i would like a nice, nearly dead-on accurate rendition of Zelda [06:43] which zelda? [06:43] the original [06:43] the gba version's quite different from the n64 [06:44] ah, you mean the nes? [06:44] yes [06:44] I didn't really play that one [06:44] ive got all the versions available over the network on my Wii. up to Twilight princess on disc, of course [06:44] I did see it though. the graphics were horrible, even for when i saw it [06:44] haha [06:45] that was back during the PS1's day though [06:45] i think it would have an easy time running on my little laptop. that would be nice. i wont bother with NES emulators though [06:45] we need an all-in-one emulator [06:45] emulates any system, just dl'open the roms [06:45] thatd be great [06:46] i could forget about downloading anything else but new roms haha [06:46] maybe a core, and add the new systems via plugins or something [06:46] i like that the wii plays games from several systems. its sort of a one-stop console for me [06:47] one minute i play Super Metroid, the next Metroid Prime 3 [06:47] if my laptop could do that... [06:47] it would be awesome if you could play the whole series in order, on the same system [06:47] emulation station :D [06:47] so far ive got metroid, super metroid, metroid prime, metroid prime 2, and 3. just missing a couple there [06:48] haha [06:48] catchy name too [06:48] <.< it's also the name of a song [06:48] ahh [06:48] :P i'm such a dork [06:48] who played that one haha [06:49] can't remember, just a min [06:49] -_- this isn't the desktop. i don't have my music collection to locate in [06:50] ahh [06:50] "1337 g33k b3at" damn that's a horrible name. [06:50] seriously. [06:50] hahaha [06:51] ever heard of the band Metroid Metal? [06:51] metal interpretations of metroid theme music. [06:52] sounds awesome [06:52] i've never played metroid though [06:53] ohh. its pretty good. even in the side scrolling days of mario, metroid was more of a puzzle and involved backtracking to do more exploring once you have new abilities [06:53] ie couldnt open a certain door or destroy a wall without having the missile launcher [06:54] megaman had stuff like that [06:54] yeahh. except less emphasis on levels and more on exploring worlds you could always go back to [06:54] got megaman too. alllways been a fan [06:55] but today Metroid is a fully-immersing FPS [06:55] its niiice. [06:57] i think i'll enjoy this frozen bubble game [06:57] yeahh it can get addicting [06:58] not as addicting as WoW i'm sure [06:58] <.< i've wasted so much time playing that game [06:58] unfortunately, and totally lacking the gameplay depth [06:58] and i'm still playing. i quit for a month saying "i'm done with that game" [06:58] a month later, i'm right back playing it [06:58] haha [06:58] the only catch, now i play on linux instead of windows [06:59] hows that working out [06:59] not too bad. [06:59] my graphics card has better drivers on linux [06:59] right on. ive never really given gaming a try on one then the other [06:59] that's really ironic. [06:59] oh thats good [06:59] i know haha not what id expect [07:00] if i use nvidia's card config thing on linux, i can boost my res better than windows [07:00] those who swear by Windows and like to game usually say Linux is less than ideal for gaming [07:00] thats pretty cool [07:00] 1700x1300 or so iirc [07:00] supports all the shading and everything. i just run the windows install of WoW via wine [07:01] oh okay. havent given Wine a try yet, either [07:01] hi, how do i configure my monitor in xubuntu? [07:03] vegpuff, I doubt i can help you, but you should try being a bit more specific. add more detail to your question. [07:03] just changing resolution is different from having no graphics drivers. [07:05] i have installed xubuntu, and my screen resolution is 800x600 by default [07:06] ok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers. [07:06] when i try changing resolution [07:06] max is 800x600 [07:06] what graphics card do you have, do you know? [07:06] i want 1024x768 [07:08] isn't that a graphic driver problem? [07:09] "coldhak> ok, you're probably missing your graphics drivers." [07:09] let me see [07:09] I am not sure if i have a graphics card, but I have a SiS VGA adapter [07:11] But I used to get proper resolution in Ubuntu. Will just changing the xorg.conf help? [07:11] sorry, i didn't get that [07:11] vegpufff: check xorg.conf [07:11] cool. let me check that. [07:12] http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=927219 this might be it [07:13] SIS VGA graphics card [07:13] card/adapter, whatever. my headset is a soundcard, so why not? [07:13] thanks Coldhak ! [07:14] yeah, looks like a few other people were having the same troubles. [07:14] good luck to you [07:16] hi, I've been trying to bet Xubuntu to use compiz, but whenever I run compiz --replace, the window titlebars disappear, and I can't switch between windows :( any ides? [07:19] hello guys [07:20] nobody say anything, maybe he won't notice we're here if we're quiet [07:20] <.< [07:20] well gee, that was good [07:21] quiet means no prob [07:21] I have a problem [07:21] i can't remember how i fixed the no window switch problem [07:21] but no ones responded =P [07:21] i think i uninstalled compiz [07:22] baddog, give it time, it's only been five minutes [07:22] lol [07:22] and it's 1am, i'm sure this isn't exactly peak time [07:22] well, for me it's only... 5:20PM [07:23] but yeah, I realize it won't be peak time [07:23] most of the users are in USA/Europe [07:23] mmm [07:23] ehh why not [07:23] baddog: do you have a window decorator enabled? [07:23] should be in the settings manager [07:24] XFCEntral, xfwm4 [07:24] I tihnk [07:24] * baddog checks [07:24] i believe emerald is an example [07:24] yeah [07:24] meep [07:25] in settings manager, when I click window manager, it says "cannot work with your current window manager" [07:25] hm [07:27] try compiz-check and see if that highlights any errors. that will also give some good information about your graphics [07:27] http://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check [07:27] mk [07:27] in any case it could help diagnose the problem [07:28] thanks [07:30] hm [07:30] ok, no errors [07:31] okay. well at least its good news. what card are you using & which driver, as compiz-check reports it? [07:31] Graphics chip: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400 [07:31] Driver in use: fglrx [07:31] I've been able to use Compiz on Ubuntu previously [07:31] on the same system [07:31] thanks [07:32] ah-hah! [07:32] reinstalling did the trick! [07:32] hmm not bad! haha [07:32] * baddog thanks you [07:32] :) [07:32] no problem, wish i could have been of more help haha [07:32] hey guys how can upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 without reformatting [07:33] i mean 7.10 to 8.04 [07:33] have you tried using the update manager? [07:34] it should mention at the top of the window, that you may upgrade to 8.04 [07:34] is it in the synaptic package manager [07:35] you could choose to upgrade all, sure. [07:35] i think thatd have the same effect. update-manager has a pretty straightforward way to upgrade to the next version altogether [07:37] where will i know the version if it was upgraded? [07:37] i think i did the upgrade all yesterday [07:38] do you use firefox? [07:38] yes. [07:38] set your homepage to the default and navigate to it [07:39] ok then? [07:39] the ubuntu "start page" will say "Welcome to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS!" [07:39] providing you've upgraded [07:40] oops it 7.10 darn. [07:40] well, now you'll just have to upgrade. haha [07:41] nifty, it stores the ubuntu version in /etc/lsb-release :) [07:41] crap. how can i do update-manager is it by command line [07:42] lsb_release -a [07:42] yup [07:42] haha [07:42] just found that out... d'oh lol [07:42] its a GUI tool, but you can invoke it from the CL by using "update-manager" [07:43] or, check Applications menu > System > Update Manager [07:44] found it ill try it now. tnx [07:44] no problem! good luck [07:45] Coldhak: how do you like frozen bubble? [07:46] it's a fun game [07:46] is it designed to be a keyboard or a mouse game? [07:46] i use the arrow keys [07:46] i do too, but i've got to get used to the angles [07:46] yeahhhh [07:46] its like pool but maybe a little more tricky haha [07:47] the balls are a little more sticky than i'd prefer [07:48]