[02:19] <Eeyore-Jr> this is my network configuration.  ISP --> Linksys Router + Wireless (192.168.0.1) --> Bridge --> LTSP Server --> LTSP Clients (192.168.0.x)
[02:19] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm not getting out of the internal network
[02:20] <Eeyore-Jr> i noticed that eth0 which was where the external net would be connected was set to static instead of dhcp
[02:20] <Eeyore-Jr> changing that allowed me to obtain an IP address for eth0.  however, i'm still not connection outside of the network
[02:21] <Eeyore-Jr> at this point, I'm assuming this is because the two networks are the same.  i'm getting served an address with 192.168.0.x and the LTSP server is serving address that are 192.168.0.x.  I'm not sure what I'm missing.
[02:22] <Eeyore-Jr> brb
[02:41] <Eeyore-Jr> it would appear that ubuntu ltsp server is serving itself a dhcp address on eth0 while server a dhcp address for eth1 on the client port
[02:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:01] <Eeyore-Jr> hi sbalneav
[03:01] <Eeyore-Jr> can u give me a hand on networking on the ltsp server?  something is not right, and i'm not sure why
[03:14] <sbalneav> What's the problem?
[03:21] <Eeyore-Jr> i've resolved it
[03:21] <sbalneav> OK
[03:21] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm using the RC, and networking was setup incorrectly under installation
[03:22] <Eeyore-Jr> i've finally got a connection to the outside world, now i'm checking clients
[03:42] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: i've lost the client side now
[03:42] <Eeyore-Jr> :(
[03:43] <sbalneav> What
[03:43] <sbalneav> Wat's the result of the command "sudo ifconfig -a"
[03:43] <sbalneav> Paste it to the pastebin
[03:44] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[03:54] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, i'm re-installing
[03:55] <Eeyore-Jr> i'll be able to tell quickly if everything is kosher on a vanilla install
[04:37] <Eeyore-Jr>   APIC aborted, blah blah
[04:37] <Eeyore-Jr> crc error
[04:37] <Eeyore-Jr> unable to mount file system on (0,0)
[04:37] <Eeyore-Jr> and yet it worked fine on three other installs :(
[04:54] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: bad mem chips, and maybe bad board :(
[14:54] <sbalneav> Morning al
[14:59] <ogra> who is al ?
[14:59] <ogra> pachino ?
[14:59] <ogra> or al bert ?
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[15:17] <sbalneav> doop doop
[15:17] <ogra> heh
[15:19] <sbalneav> I think that's spanish flea
[15:19] <sbalneav> wikipediaing
[15:23] <sbalneav> I think it's pretty cool I can be here at work, on my thin client, and be ssh'd into home, and have gnucash fired up, and entering in my paychecque
[15:25] <ogra> haha
[15:43]  * stgraber plays with his NX powered application servers
[15:43] <stgraber> it's funny to be able to connect either with a thin client or using NX from a remote site
[15:43] <stgraber> (and they are both sharing the same loadbalancer)
[16:28] <varikk> anyone know of a website, or where to look for info concerning setting up a edubuntu server.  My school is interested in making that leap but I need info on it.
[16:32] <sbalneav> varikk: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream has a lot of good information
[16:32] <varikk> great thanks
[16:33] <sbalneav> There's also the edubuntu handbook
[16:33] <sbalneav> !handbook
[16:33] <varikk> thanks I will check those out.
[16:33] <sbalneav> Now, most of the info in the handbook's in the first document, but the upstream doco's a bit more up to date.
[16:34] <varikk> we've been running macbooks for the last 5 years but the idea of ubuntu is appealing to us
[16:37] <ogra> sbalneav, dont forget for ubuntu specific ltsp to point to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ Lns made some awesome progress with it
[16:37] <ogra> (take a look)
[16:38] <sbalneav> Wow, yeah, nice work.
[17:16] <Eeyore-Jr> ltsp boot from a usb key?
[17:16] <sbalneav> You could, but it's not supported out of the box.
[17:17] <sbalneav> Network booting's way better anyway, since you can update the thin client's kernel easily that way.
[17:17] <Eeyore-Jr> but possilbe.  so boot from usb key to wireless adapter connect to wireless router then to switch then to ltsp server
[17:17] <sbalneav> You wouldn't want to run LTSP over wireless.
[17:17] <Eeyore-Jr> ?
[17:17] <sbalneav> Some people try it, and are disappointed with the results
[17:17] <Eeyore-Jr> 3MB wireless ?
[17:18] <sbalneav> Diskless thin clients use a fair amount of bandwidth, and send lots of little packets.
[17:18] <Eeyore-Jr> or just doesn't do well?
[17:18] <sbalneav> wireless has too much latency.
[17:20] <sbalneav> You have to remember, not only is all the X traffic going over the wireless link, but also any disk traffic for the thin client.
[17:21]  * sbalneav shrugs
[17:21] <sbalneav> Some people have tried it, and felt it worked OK for their application.
[17:22] <sbalneav> If you're going to try it, I'd recommend getting a wireless bridge, so you can just plug a regular PXE network card directly into it, and boot normally.
[17:23] <sbalneav> Something like this:
[17:23] <sbalneav> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13013&vpn=WGA54G&manufacture=Linksys
[17:26] <Eeyore-Jr> i was looking at http://support.gateway.com/s/Profile/Profile4/3501443/3501443nv.shtml - those.  they allow me to slip in a wireless card
[17:28] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm, i guess i'll avoid wireless based on your suggestions
[17:34] <sbalneav> If you're looking to buy thin clients, why not buy them from vendors that actively support LTSP development?
[17:36] <sbalneav> Suggestions include disklessworkstations.com, symbio-technologies.com, and www.artecgroup.com/thincan/
[17:38] <Eeyore-Jr> well, when buying enmass auction lots, gettting 10 of those for 200.00 is much cheaper
[17:39] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, i'll retract my statement.  those are very small
[17:40] <Eeyore-Jr> thin clients would allow someone to play a dvd with a dvd drive, correct?
[17:51] <Eeyore-Jr> so, if you get a computer that is new enought to boot usb, a usb key is 6.00 and a pxe card is 30.00
[17:51] <Eeyore-Jr> therefore it makes sense to use the onboard ethernet and buy usb keys and boot usb
[17:53] <Eeyore-Jr> er, 3.50
[17:55] <Eeyore-Jr> i wonder why people don't do more thin client installs
[17:55] <Eeyore-Jr> it seems like the max benifit
[19:13] <varikk> so ideas here everyone, if i want to set this up for my school I could use thin clients for old hardware we have wired in, and need to do complete edubuntu os installs on any wireless laptops we have.  Is it possible to still set up accounts for student use on the server?
[19:17] <sbalneav> Eeyore-Jr: No, you can't play a DVD on a thin client.
[19:18] <sbalneav> varikk: Yes
[19:19] <varikk> am i wrong in thinking i could use 5 year old macbooks & put edubuntu on them?
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: :(
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> any reason why?
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> so do the client drives work at all?  such as floppy disk?
[19:23] <varikk> to play dvd video using the thin client model, can you put the dvd on the server and use a media player to access it that way?
[19:30] <Eeyore-Jr> varikk: i would think one could.  in my situation, i'd like the kids to be able to check out a dvd from the library, take it over to the computer and play the dvd
[19:34] <Eeyore-Jr> so, i'm wondering if i could do a standalone client that logged into ltsp server where home, etc. was.  which is still different than a fat or thin client i think
[19:40] <sbalneav> Eeyore-Jr: Well, floppies, USB sticks, cdroms, and DVD's for data work just fine.  But watching video wouldn't work in a pure thin client environment
[19:40] <sbalneav> You could set up a dvd player as a local app, I suppose.
[19:41] <sbalneav> If you want just shared home directories, and single signon's, that's pretty easy.
[19:41] <sbalneav> Thin clients are great, but you have to remember: they're not the same as a full fledged workstation.
[20:19] <sbalneav> Afternoon LaserJock
[20:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hi!
[20:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav: how's it going?
[20:42] <sbalneav> It's goin!
[20:43] <sbalneav> I gotta test out multi-bin printing in Intrepid this next week.
[20:43] <sbalneav> The new PDF printing subsystem makes me.... kinda nervous
[20:43] <LaserJock> yeah?
[20:44] <sbalneav> However, I DID see that Evince now allows you to save fill-in-form data in PDF's, which is a HUGE win for us.
[20:45] <LaserJock> cool, I haven't tried that out but that would be great indeed
[21:23] <Eeyore-Jr> watching video in a fat client?
[21:23] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a way to watch video with ltsp login, home directory management?
[21:55] <Lns> Eeyore-Jr: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients