[01:29] <jtechidna> mornfall: bug 286219, see if that makes more sense
[01:31] <jtechidna> and whoa, spelling + grammar really fell apart in the last sentence, \o/
[01:32]  * jtechidna hates it when 2 bugs get mixed in one report, especially when he mixes them himself
[01:58] <jjesse> who do i ping about an amarok2 question?
[02:08] <jjesse> slow night to0night
[02:11] <nixternal> just don't ping any liberals!
[02:12] <nixternal> nader vs. baldwin on cspan2
[02:13] <jjesse> playing city of heroes tonight
[02:13] <jjesse> just had a quick amarok2
[02:13] <jjesse> question
[02:17] <jtechidna> #amarok would be a good bet ;-)
[02:20] <jjesse> but5 that would mean i would have to join another channel :)
[02:22] <jtechidna> so, what's the question?
[02:22] <jtechidna> if I can't help Nightrose or apachelogger could probably help
[02:23] <nixternal> I would use Banshee if it didn't have all of those stupid mono bindings...it is pretty damn slick, plus the lead developer for it is one of my neighbors in chicago
[02:29] <jtechidna> heretic! :O
[02:30] <jjesse> sorry wife called
[02:30] <jtechidna> (j/k)
[02:30] <jjesse> if i install amarok2 the
[02:30] <jjesse> the favorite icon in application launcher doesn
[02:30] <jjesse> work but it works through application launcher multimedia
[02:31] <jjesse> does that make sense?
[02:35] <jtechidna> is the favorite icon a gear?
[02:35] <jjesse> no
[02:36] <jtechidna> hmm, there was that problem with favorites turning into gears and not working
[02:36] <jtechidna> could possibly be a bug with the kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-settings
[02:36] <jjesse> i remember hearing
[02:36] <jjesse> hrm never mind it just cleared up and is working now
[02:36] <jjesse> wierd
[02:37] <jtechidna> weird, at least it works
[02:38] <jjesse> yup
[06:10] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Ah, I apparently understand now.
[06:11] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Do you have any idea why would anyone alternately left/right click on a checkbox though? : - P
[06:11] <mornfall> (At least I understand now what was meant with calculating dependencies...)
[06:12] <jameswf-home> looks like kubuntu 20081022 has no bugs that affect me so i am going to plug my nose and dive in
[06:13] <jameswf-home> what KDE is that?
[06:28] <Daskreech> 4.1.2
[06:28] <jameswf-home> oh better strap up the waders too
[06:29] <Daskreech> hi apachelogger
[06:29] <apachelogger> hola!
[06:29] <Daskreech> how are you?
[06:30] <apachelogger> tired :P
[06:33] <Daskreech> Figures
[06:33] <Daskreech> Quicksand for KDE 4.1 :)
[06:38] <apachelogger> seriously, I expected more
[06:40]  * apachelogger tries to fix qt loading in kde-nightly
[08:49] <hunger> Is there a way to stop nm-applet from running in a kde session on intrepid?
[08:49] <hunger> It seems to block knetworkmanager  from working and just looks alien:-)
[09:04] <apachelogger> hunger: remove it
[09:05] <Daskreech> hi hunger
[09:07] <hunger> apachelogger: Gets started on login and is required for ubuntu-desktop.
[09:07] <apachelogger> hunger: install ubuntu-desktop then
[09:07] <hunger> apachelogger: I added Only show in to its desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart now.
[09:07] <hunger> apachelogger: I do have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed.
[09:07] <apachelogger> will be supersed upon upgrade
[09:07] <apachelogger> there is a bug report about it though
[09:08] <hunger> apachelogger: Of course it will. But at least things work for now.
[09:08] <hunger> apachelogger: And I can always use git to merge back my changes:-)
[09:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: facts about apachelogger
[09:09] <kubotu> [5/12] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/12] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers
[09:09] <emonkey-t> ^^
[09:10] <apachelogger> if lp was any slower I could finish a whole cup of coffee while searching for a bug
[09:10] <apachelogger> hm
[09:10] <apachelogger> nm-applet has almost more bug reports than kdebase :P
[09:11] <apachelogger> hunger: bug 268803
[09:12] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Does it auto collect facts ?
[09:12] <apachelogger> Daskreech: no
[10:21] <xerosis> is the 'run this action now' dialog part of adept or something else?
[10:22] <Daskreech> where?
[10:23] <xerosis> It was like the firefox notification but it asked me to click to reload apt's caches
[10:57] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:57] <Riddell> xerosis: it's update-notifier-kde
[10:58] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw canonical's searching for a new kde dev ;) excellent news
[10:58] <Tonio_> I have no friends of mine to propose for candidate, unfortunattely
[10:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think plenty of people have applied
[10:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics, the job is more to code upstream what we miss right ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> there is no kubuntu specifics in the description (packaging and so on)
[10:59] <Tonio_> in any case, that show canonical wants to do more with kde4, and I'm really happy wityh this :)
[10:59] <Tonio_> s/wityh/with
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've started the uds page, probably done on monday....
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: too much work actually since I have to prepare the hardy french parliament desktop
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I worked something like 70 hours from monday to thursday
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I'm late on that point.... sorry for this
[11:01] <xerosis> Riddell: thanks
[11:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs now
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah...... okay so I'll paste my items then :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the worst moment of the year for me, but it ends on november :)
[11:03] <Riddell> then the parliament starts using hardy?
[11:05] <Tonio_> yep :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: but due to the feisty -> hardy migration, and the very hight level of pernalisation done, the work is pretty hard :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I bugged you with kde3 recently :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to migrate everything that was done with horrible bash scripts using kiosk
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: and finally it works, even hidding desktop files or put virtual entries on the desktop :)
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wrote a few kdelibs patches for this, but that's always more maintainable than bash scripts putting things in $HOME :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll let you know when done so that you can blog about that
[11:21] <davmor2> Riddell: How long before those fixes make it to cd?
[11:27] <Riddell> davmor2: pitti let in most of the changes this morning so I guess whenever the next CDs are made
[11:27] <davmor2> so probably monday then I'll ping you if they work ;)
[11:57] <ScottK> Wahoo!  Working 'click on the diff.gz in Konqueror' with Ark.
[11:57]  * mandree wonders if there are going to be fixes to the non-functional certificate management in KDE4...
[11:58] <mandree> in time for the 8.10 release, that is.
[11:58] <mandree> Otherwise the KDE-ized Ibex might be as Intrepid as it is toothless :-)
[11:58] <Riddell> ScottK: yay
[11:58] <Riddell> mandree: unlikely, does a fix exist?
[11:59] <mandree> To my knowledge, it is an upstream bug, but it renders the current KDE4 8.10 RC completely unusable.
[12:00] <mandree> The whole "kcmshell4 crypto" screens seem more like mockups.#
[12:00] <mandree> same for Konqueror, it displays like "Acme Co." and Acme Sundry Products Company.
[12:00] <mandree> My major concern is the discontinuation of KDE3.
[12:01] <mandree> Think "Kolab client". KMail would do it, but is useless without proper Certificate Management.
[12:02] <mandree> Likewise, Konqueror is useless if it cannot detect MITM attacks in HTTPS://.
[12:04] <mandree> I'm aware that 8.10 is more like a cutting-edge, but I'm really concerned about the fact, and possible bad press.
[12:09] <mandree> IMNSHO the missing/nonfunctional SSL certificate management is so important it should be mentioned on the front page, at prominent places in the release notes, so that users can choose to stick to 8.04 and KDE3 until this certificate issue is fixed.
[12:09] <mandree> Or a workaround is documented.
[12:57] <Riddell> my OK icon has turned into a loud speaker
[12:57] <Riddell> until I click the button, then it's the normal tick icon
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: nobody would ever right and left click a checkbox like that really fast unless they misunderstood bug reproduction instructions, lol
[13:39] <seele> anyone have network weirdness on intrepid tests?
[13:40] <seele> i can connect to an access point, start a connection, but then the rest time out
[13:40] <seele> e.g. i can hit the google homepage but then it times out on a search
[13:40] <seele> i can ssh to a server but the it times out and disconnects
[13:40] <seele> i can start a source list update but then it times out after the first few hits
[13:41] <ScottK> When did this start?
[13:41] <seele> i dont know if it is necessarily networkmanager because i tried managing the connection just using ifconfig and i still get the problem
[13:41] <seele> ScottK: first time i started it on this computer, but on a different machine, alpha 5 (alpha 4 worked)
[13:41] <seele> ScottK: just did a base install of intrepid live last night on a different machine
[13:41] <seele> although it works ok in my VM
[13:41] <seele> (on a different machine)
[13:42] <ScottK> This is wired or wireless?
[13:42] <seele> wireless, although the alpha testing computer i used was wired
[13:42] <ScottK> We have an open bug for some people having trouble with wired networks via NM.
[13:42] <ScottK> What chipset?
[13:42] <seele> intel
[13:43] <seele> uhm.. hold on so i can find you something more interesting..
[13:43] <ScottK> Which for wireless (see lspci output)?
[13:44] <seele> intell pro wireless 3945abg
[13:45] <ScottK> Hmm.  I think there are some open 3945 bugs.  I'll look.  I have 4965,
[13:46] <seele> kernel/driver bugs or networkmanager bugs?
[13:47] <ScottK> Kernel
[13:47] <seele> oh yay :-/
[13:47] <ScottK> Which would be consistent with it doesn't work via ifconfig
[13:47] <seele> hmm.. can i use an old cd to get install an older kernel?
[13:48] <ScottK> The only one I found so far is only if you used the kill switch.  Still looking
[13:49] <Hobbsee> it should be working if you don't hit the kill switch
[13:49]  * Hobbsee hasn't had problemswith it in ages
[13:49] <Hobbsee> well, at least from theother side of the pond
[13:49] <seele> bug 223174
[13:49] <seele> i think that's it
[13:49] <ScottK> Hmm.  I was also looking at Bug 229063.
[13:50] <ScottK> That one is marked fix released upstream, so maybe there's something that can be done for -updates.
[13:51] <ScottK> Nope.  That one according to Intel is fixed in 2.6.26
[13:57] <gnomefreak> adept is no longer installed in kubuntu?
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> it should install just fine
[14:00] <gnomefreak> it seems to be in recommends
[14:00] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: i have a user using kubuntu 8.10 and doesnt have it installed
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> recommends get included on the CD
[14:02] <gnomefreak> yeah i know user says kubuntu-desktop isnt a package so i think i know where this is going
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> heh
[14:13] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: called 'user can't spell'?
[14:29] <ScottK> Someone with more patience than me might want to see if gnome-bluetooth can be made to work in Kubuntu.  It'll be good to answer that question in the release notes.
[14:30] <tolonuga> hi. small note: you might want to update the hardy "kubuntu-desktop" package so it depends on "adept-manager". otherwise the update notes on the kubuntu.org web page will not work, if people don't have adept-manager installed.
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^ ?
[14:31] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: recommends are installed from cd so it should install it from cd
[14:32] <txwikinger> is uswsusp needed to do suspend to disk?
[14:32] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Is it in the recommends?
[14:32] <ScottK> gnomefreak: I think it's just adept
[14:32] <gnomefreak> adept is in recommens
[14:32] <gnomefreak> recommends
[14:33] <gnomefreak> AFAIK adept-* is depends or part of adept
[14:33] <tolonuga> ignore, my fault. there is a depend chain from kubuntu-desktop to adept-manager via kio-adept.
[14:33] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:33] <tolonuga> guess got it wrong with the quote issue (fixed already) I had. sorry for the noice.
[14:34] <ScottK> No problem.  Better to find that out now than a week from now.
[14:34] <tolonuga> one more suggestion: distribution update can take a while, and I guess it is hard to interrupt and restart later. so you might want to check if a laptop is on battery and issue a warning if so.
[14:34] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't have anything much to test bluetooth with
[14:35] <ScottK> Anyone else with some bluetooth?
[14:35] <Riddell> we only have one adept package now, "adept" and it is pulled in by kubuntu-desktop
[14:35] <Riddell> Tonio_ usually knows about bluetooth
[14:36] <ScottK> I couldn't make gnome-bluetooth work, but I'm new to it (the week between when I upgraded to Intrepid and when bluez4 got uploaded were the first time I had working bluetooth)
[14:38] <seele> what directory would have the kernel packages on a live cd?
[14:39] <Riddell> seele: /boot ?
[14:39] <seele> Riddell: there is no /boot on this CD?
[14:40] <seele> Riddell: i have the live cd mounted.. i want to get an older kernel package
[14:42] <tolonuga> KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing... /var/log/dist-upgrade is still empty. I had the update run once inside an strace, where it worked fine (downloading some file - no idea where it placed it). I then aborted, and wanted to start it now once more (without strace) and got this crash.
[14:42] <tolonuga> any idea how to help debugging this? (x86_64 laptop if that matters)
[14:44] <tolonuga> tried once more, now it is working fine.
[14:45] <tolonuga> note that adept-manager (once you click the version update button) is english only - not translated to german so far.
[14:45] <tolonuga> the tool it downloads and runs next however is in german again.
[14:47] <tolonuga> the "Package Changes" window at first is not properly sized (for the german translation). hitting the "Details" button resizes it ok. also as the title "Package Changes" is not translated.
[14:51] <ScottK> tolonuga: The lack of a German language pack is a known issue that's being worked.
[14:58] <Riddell> seele: the CD only has one linux build on it, which I guess you can't access from the live system
[14:58] <Riddell> seele: if you're trying to install a different linux build on the hard disk you'd need to mount then chroot into the hard disk and try and install it from there
[14:59] <seele> Riddell: i'm not booted in to the live cd
[15:00] <seele> ugh, got to go.. i'll have to fix this sunday night
[15:01] <rgreening> I assume no one has worked on LP 264466. It's a simple one (just needs a update in the control and maybe install file to add the missing package). If no-one minds, I'll take a stab at fixing.
[15:05] <Riddell> rgreening: we do have libqyoto4.3-cil
[15:06] <rgreening> hmm... someone forgot to close the bug I guess
[15:06] <Riddell> seems up to date
[15:06] <rgreening> I'll close.
[15:09]  * rgreening hunts some other bugs...
[15:24] <rgreening> Riddell: what are the issues again with having both the KDE phonon and Qt4 phonon? In ref to LP 253854. I believe we may be able to have both...
[15:27] <supert0nes> any chance of us seeing kdenlive 0.7 the kde4 version in an experimental repo?
[15:34] <rgreening> supert0nes: I'll take a stab at building it for ya.
[15:34] <Riddell> rgreening: having two versions of the same library seems like an inherantly bad idea
[15:34] <rgreening> Riddell: they are actually named differently.
[15:34] <Riddell> how are they named?
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: and in different locations. One is phononsomething and the other from qt is libphonon...
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: iirc..
[15:35] <Riddell> it's just asking for linking problems
[15:35] <tolonuga> got an error during update: update-manager update failed. terminal shows lots of error messages from dpkg: status database locked already by other process (tried to translate german back to english).
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: which is why we couldn't get it working in qtjambi, which requires the libphonon name...
[15:35] <tolonuga> is that a known issue? any way I can help debugging it?
[15:36] <Riddell> tolonuga: file a bug, attach files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[15:37] <supert0nes> wow thanks
[15:37] <tolonuga> ok. all files from that dir or only some?
[15:37] <Riddell> all
[15:38] <rgreening> supert0nes: ver 7, is that KDE3? Looks like there's a svn one for kde4
[15:38] <supert0nes> they said they released beta 1
[15:38] <supert0nes> http://www.kdenlive.org/content/kdenlive-07beta1-released
[15:39] <supert0nes> i can understand if it is too early in their development for our repos
[15:40] <ScottK> It'd be good to get into Jaunty when it opens.
[15:40] <rgreening> ScottK: I agree. If I get it working, I'll upload to my PPA.. we can decide where to dump it after...
[15:43] <supert0nes> rgreening: if your repo has relatively working stuff may i get a link?
[15:46] <rgreening> supert0nes: https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening
[15:47] <tolonuga> ok, done, bug 288746. sorry, all log files in german :8
[15:47] <rgreening> supert0nes: I periodically upload stuff I am working on for Intrepid to there. Shouldn't cause any breakage as it's eventually going to get pushed upstream.
[15:48] <rgreening> supert0nes: I'll let you know when I upload kdenlive
[15:48] <DaSkreech> rgreening: plans for Pythoids? :)
[15:49] <supert0nes> ok
[15:49] <rgreening> DaSkreech: hmmm... I was speaking with _Sime. He indicated it required a newer sip and pykde. I built those, but had the same issues. Apparantly there's a known issue with the segfaults
[15:49] <supert0nes> is there a repo for the new adept but on hardy?
[15:49] <tolonuga> what is the equivalent of "adept_manager" in intrepid? my update failed, and now it is no longer installed. how shall I continue the update?
[15:50] <DaSkreech> adept
[15:50] <tolonuga> does it have some option to continue/fix the broken update, or simply run it (inside kdesu)?
[16:05] <rgreening> supert0nes: attempting build now...
[16:06] <supert0nes> sweet
[16:07] <supert0nes> too bad i'm on rhel5 at work ugh! heh
[16:08] <DaSkreech> tolonuga: Not clear on that :)
[16:09] <DaSkreech> I wonder when RH will ship KDE4 by default
[16:10] <rgreening> is adept search broken in latest? or is it just me...
[16:10] <rgreening> seems to hang
[16:10] <ScottK> DaSkreech: If you mean RH, and not Fedora, my guess is 2011.
[16:11] <rgreening> ScottK: can you try searching for libmlt-dev in adept and see if it hangs after typing only lib...
[16:11] <jjesse> fedora 10 ships amarok2 by default
[16:11] <rgreening> I think the search is really b0rked
[16:12] <mornfall> ...
[16:12] <rgreening> hey mornfall.
[16:12] <rgreening> adept is behaving weird for me
[16:12] <ScottK> Sure.  Give me a few minutes.
[16:12] <DaSkreech> rgreening: I would consider it broken
[16:12] <rgreening> could be my system...
[16:13] <DaSkreech> I search for things I know are there and they don't turn up
[16:13] <DaSkreech> and if you add a new repo then nothing from it turns up :(
[16:13] <rgreening> mornfall: ^
[16:13] <rgreening> :)
[16:13] <DaSkreech> jjesse: It's fascinating how crazy Fedora is for new stuff and how ulrta conservative RH is
[16:14] <rgreening> omg.. adept finally retunr the results after hanging for like 2 minutes
[16:14] <mornfall> rgreening: Known issue, just needs lib to be blacklisted.
[16:14] <rgreening> ok.
[16:14] <mornfall> rgreening: As a search term that is.
[16:14] <mornfall> rgreening: If you type fast (like me) you won't likely ever notice that problem...
[16:14] <rgreening> so, can't search for libmlt-dev? for example...
[16:15] <mornfall> You can, you just need to type it in one go at least till the dash.
[16:15] <rgreening> omg. that seems so bad
[16:15] <rgreening> :)
[16:15] <rgreening> we maybe need a cache engine for searches in adept
[16:15] <mornfall> True, and it's easy to fix, really.
[16:15] <rgreening> lol
[16:16]  * supert0nes wonders if RH will use fedora 8 or 9
[16:16] <mornfall> You don't.
[16:16] <rgreening> :)
[16:16] <mornfall> lib is about the only problematic one, really.
[16:16] <mornfall> And I think the problem got introduced by the prefix searches, just btw.
[16:16] <rgreening> maybe require 4 chars instead of blacklisting and only search after 4 chars...
[16:16] <mornfall> (That's because there are few zillion packages starting with lib.)
[16:17] <rgreening> most search engines require a min 4 char search, so it may be reasonable here.
[16:17] <mornfall> rgreening: No. It's > 2 chars && != "lib".
[16:17] <mornfall> Okey,
[16:17] <mornfall> Well.
[16:17] <rgreening> lol
[16:17] <mornfall> Whatever.
[16:17] <rgreening> :)
[16:17] <mornfall> If you think >3 is good, then the patch is extremely trivial.
[16:17] <rgreening> np. just a suggestion. you know better than I
[16:18] <mornfall> Just find the >2 test and change it to >3.
[16:18] <mornfall> You can probably give that patch to Riddell. I won't have time until I get back to Europe at least.
[16:18] <rgreening> okies, mornfall. I'll do it with > 3 and see what happens. :)
[16:19] <rgreening> you da man.
[16:19] <rgreening> :P
[16:19] <ScottK> rgreening: So you don't need me to test now?
[16:19] <rgreening> ScottK: nope. confirmed.
[16:19] <rgreening> I'll get a fix in a few minutes
[16:21] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Huh? If it has a dash it doesn't turnup ?
[16:26] <mornfall> do?
[16:26] <mornfall> Err.
[16:26] <mornfall> DaSkreech: ?
[16:26] <mornfall> What do you mean?
[16:28] <DaSkreech> for example I added the kubuntu-kde4-members ppa and then couldn't install koffice-kde4
[16:28] <DaSkreech> WOuldn't turn up
[16:28] <DaSkreech> some time after that I realised the kubuntu-desktop wouldn't show
[16:30] <rgreening> mornfall: is this the line to which we need to mod (in manager.h): if ( txt.length() < 3 && !m_tags->active() ) {
[16:31] <rgreening> mornfall: and possibly: std::string query = txt.length() < 3 ? "" : txt.toLocal8Bit().data(); (in same file)
[16:32] <mornfall> rgreening: Sounds like it.
[16:33] <mornfall> Change, compile, try and see... : - )
[16:33] <rgreening> ok. I'll give her a go... :)
[16:33] <mornfall> I have to sleep, it's well past midnight and I fly tomorrow.
[16:33] <rgreening> kk
[16:33] <mornfall> Goodnight.
[16:33] <rgreening> gn
[16:33] <mornfall> And god luck.
[16:33] <mornfall> good*
[16:33] <rgreening> ty
[16:39] <supert0nes> no matter when i come in here someone is saying good night
[16:40] <DaSkreech> Night is Good
[16:40] <supert0nes> diverse crowd :)
[16:40] <rgreening> good Knight like Sir Galahad
[16:48] <rgreening> ScottK: in hardy, is KDE 4.1.2 backported?
[16:48] <ScottK> Hardy KDE4 updates are being done in PPA.
[16:49] <ScottK> Backports stops at, (IIRC) 4.0.3.
[16:49] <rgreening> ok. Then in hardy updates, are we at 4.1.x? or still 4.0.80 or something?
[16:49] <rgreening> from the PPA ^
[16:50] <rgreening> ScottK: bug... 264466. I marked as fixed. user still sees 4.0.80 under kde4bindings package in the PPA.
[16:51] <ScottK> PPA bugs are invalid by definition anyway.
[16:51] <ScottK> Probably a package got deleted out of the later builds
[16:52] <rgreening> kdebindings is showing 4.0.80 and not 4.1.2 src
[16:52] <ScottK> Then probably no one uploaded it.
[16:52] <ScottK> I haven't had anything to do with the PPA stuff.
[16:52] <DaSkreech> Does KDE have a common ODF lib now?
[16:56] <rgreening> mornfall: fixing those lines worked for adept
[16:57] <Riddell> DaSkreech: not until koffice 2 or qt 4.5 are out
[16:57] <rgreening> Riddell/ScottK: Uploaded a new adept rev to testing PPA.
[16:58] <rgreening> feel free to test/promote once built. Fixes broken search (lags due to searches with 3 chars or less)
[16:59] <rgreening> this is high priority to get into Intrepid (in my opinion)
[17:01] <ScottK> rgreening: Would you please put a debdiff in a bug and point me at the bug?
[17:01] <rgreening> np.
[17:05] <rgreening> LP is being a pain
[17:07] <rgreening> ScottK: bug 285073 exists already. I attached debdiff there.
[17:08] <ScottK> rgreening: Looking
[17:12] <DaSkreech> Alright anyone want to hazard as to why my sound is almost on mute at full volume in Ibex?
[17:12] <DaSkreech> or why I have to turn down the sound to hear anything in videos?
[17:12] <ScottK> rgreening: Please keep debian/changelog entries to 79 characters per line.  I'll fix it for this one.
[17:16] <DaSkreech> The Video thing is a bit upsetting as I can't rationalize it
[17:20] <ScottK> rgreening: Also closing the bug in the changelog is a good thing (also fixing).
[17:27] <rgreening> ScottK: Didn't know there a=was a bug till you suggested lookin...:) oops...
[17:27] <rgreening> ScottK: And I realize I should have... or opened one
[17:27] <rgreening> :)
[17:27] <rgreening> ScottK: thanks.
[17:37] <ScottK> rgreening: It still searches on lib with your fix here.
[17:37] <rgreening> but only after 4 chars?
[17:38] <ScottK> I was doing it wrong.
[17:38] <rgreening> ScottK: if you type only 3 chars, nothing should happen
[17:38] <ScottK> You're patch works for adept.
[17:38] <rgreening> only after the 4th
[17:38] <rgreening> :)
[17:38] <rgreening> no more laggy
[17:38] <rgreening> whee
[17:39] <ScottK> The add/remove thingy suffers the same problem.
[17:39] <ScottK> Can you fix it there too?
[17:39] <rgreening> ok.... le me see...
[17:40] <rgreening> ScottK; can you confirm? Cause I don't see an issue..
[17:40]  * ScottK tries again.
[17:40] <rgreening> I just ran adept installer and typed lib... no lag
[17:41] <rgreening> oh.. nm. I see now
[17:41] <rgreening> ScottK: if you press enter to search (as it's not automagic there...
[17:41] <ScottK> rgreening: Yes.
[17:41] <ScottK> That's the one.
[17:42] <rgreening> hmm... the other search it autosearched as you type. this one isn't.
[17:42] <ScottK> So less of an issue then.
[17:42] <rgreening> ScottK: I'll have a look. It may need an autosearch (to be consistant) and use the same fix
[17:42] <ScottK> Let's not then.
[17:42] <rgreening> :)
[17:43] <ScottK> I'll go with this.
[17:43] <rgreening> I agree.
[17:44] <ScottK> Uploaded.  Soyuz ate my last one, so no guarantees.
[17:54] <rgreening> ScottK: Soyuz?
[17:54] <rgreening> Isn't it "my dog ate it"
[17:54] <ScottK> The Launchpad build system.
[17:55] <rgreening> ah. okies
[18:26] <rgreening> anything that needs fixing?
[18:28] <ScottK> Soyuz is fixed.
[18:28] <rgreening> :)
[18:48] <mvo> Riddell: hi, I just did a test upgrade from hardy->intrepid and it seems like there is a issue with the session name in kdm. when I try to login after the initial restart I get thrown back into kdm - when I manually select sessiontype kde and the login it works fine. any idea?
[18:49] <rgreening> kdm-kde4 vs kdm?
[18:49] <rgreening> could be a naming issue, agreed
[18:50] <rgreening> mvo: did you happen to keep a backup of yuor home dir? maybe a clue there...
[18:52] <mvo> rgreening: I can check ~/.xsession-errors
[18:53] <mvo> my theory is that the session name changed (from kde4 before to kde or something like this) and that confuses kdm because it has "use last sessioN" as default. but that theory is pulled out of my hat, don't trust it too much :)
[18:54] <rgreening> hmm... I did a regular Hardy KDE3.5 to Intrepid KDE4.1 with no issue, so it may be what you suggest.
[18:54] <rgreening> Was it hardy remix, clean install or what?
[18:54] <mvo> (this was kubuntu-kde4 -> kde4)
[18:55] <mvo> clean install of the kubuntu-kde4-desktop (I guess this is hardy remix, I'm not too familiar with kubuntu, sorry)
[18:55] <rgreening> np
[18:57] <rgreening> mvo: locate kdmrc
[18:57] <mvo> I just bootet the hardy image (I have a snpashot of this) and indeed the session type here is "KDE 4" whereas in the upgraded system its "KDE"
[18:58] <rgreening> 1 sec...
[18:58]  * mvo should add that he is quite impressed with kde 4.1 - looks very shinny
[19:00] <rgreening> :)
[19:00] <DaSkreech> mvo: Use Trunk :)
[19:00] <rgreening> mvo: look in /usr/share/xsessions and tell me what you see
[19:00] <mvo> I have kderc here in /etc/kd4/kdm/kdmrc
[19:00] <Tm_T> I would use trunk but it ends up to badly behaving level at some weird reasons
[19:01] <mvo> rgreening: kde.desktop (in the intrepid upgrade)
[19:01] <rgreening> yep. that's good.
[19:02] <rgreening> mvo: there's no other kdmrc?
[19:02] <rgreening> ust the system one?
[19:02]  * mvo double checks
[19:03] <mvo> intrepid has kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions
[19:03] <rgreening> hmm... wait
[19:04] <rgreening> it should be kde.desktop I believe.
[19:04] <mvo> eh, sorry. hardy I mean, hardy has kde4.desktop
[19:04] <rgreening> which was not working? the one with kde4 or kde.desktop
[19:05] <mvo> and .dmrc has "session=kde4" in hardy
[19:05] <mvo> rgreening: after the upgrade, the "use last session" default in kdm is not working, I need to manually switch to session type kde
[19:05] <mvo> I think the puzzle is solved now, if its not reported already I will add a bugreport about it now
[19:06] <rgreening> right, so the kde.desktop never matched the session-kde4 line.
[19:06] <mvo> I think that the problem, yes
[19:06] <rgreening> yep.
[19:06]  * mvo wonders what (source) package kdm is part of
[19:06] <rgreening> report it. people will need a work around.
[19:06] <rgreening> 1 sec
[19:06] <rgreening> kdebase-workspace
[19:06] <rgreening> I believe
[19:06] <mvo> I think we should try to fix it, from the look of it all that is required is a symlink
[19:06] <mvo> thanks rgreening
[19:07] <rgreening> yep. that's the package. np.
[19:07] <rgreening> Let me know the bug#. I may try and see if I can fix it.
[19:07] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: you tried quicksand?
[19:11] <mvo> rgreening, Riddell: bug #288835 (the session issue I mentioned earlier)
[19:14] <rgreening> ty
[19:14] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll take a peek.
[19:26] <mvo> rgreening: might be enough to add $ cat debian/kdm.links
[19:26] <mvo> usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[19:26] <mvo> (not tested though :)
[19:26] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: intrepid packages are in the kde4 ppa
[19:26] <rgreening> adding a link is bad imo
[19:26] <rgreening> mvo: it should detect the session file doesn't exist and use the system-wide default
[19:26] <DaSkreech> suwheet
[19:27] <mvo> rgreening: right, that is a much better fix
[19:27] <apachelogger> rgreening: it does
[19:27] <rgreening> kdm/backend/client.c is where the issue exists
[19:27] <rgreening> apachelogger: doesn't appear to for .dmrc session
[19:27] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png
[19:27] <apachelogger> rgreening: especially for .dmrc
[19:28] <rgreening> mvo had session=kde4 and it never worked
[19:28] <apachelogger> there was another issue
[19:28] <apachelogger> the fix should be in the archive by know I guess
[19:28] <rgreening> apachelogger: what package and version was it fixed?
[19:28] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:29] <apachelogger> Riddell fixed it
[19:29] <rgreening> oh.... mvo, was the upgrade from a CD/DVD iso or live
[19:29] <mvo> net
[19:29] <mvo> no CD or dvd involved
[19:29] <rgreening> apachelogger: if it was fixed, then a net upgrade shouldn't have had an issue
[19:30]  * apachelogger is having a hard time finiding the bug with a non-operational kmail :P
[19:30] <rgreening> mvo: you never got a warning, just a kickback, right?
[19:30] <mvo> yes
[19:31] <mvo> I can try to reproduce, give me some minutes
[19:31] <rgreening> k
[19:32] <apachelogger> mvo, rgreening: bug 281950
[19:33]  * apachelogger likes bugs which are filed against the wrong package :S
[19:34] <rgreening> lol. And that package isn't released yet
[19:34] <rgreening> after rc I assume?
[19:34] <apachelogger> well, yes, I imagine the queue is pretty long right now
[19:34] <mvo> ok, excellent if it is fixed. I have -0ubuntu11
[19:35]  * mvo duplicates his report
[19:35] <ScottK> Well 11 is the last one uploaded.
[19:35] <mvo> sorry for the noise
[19:35] <ScottK> So the question is where did Riddell hide 12?
[19:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's not in the queue?
[19:35] <ScottK> No
[19:36] <apachelogger> maybe he didn't upload at all :P
[19:36] <ScottK> rgreening's Adept fix is the only Kubuntu thing in the queue.
[19:36] <rgreening> lol
[19:36] <rgreening> bwahahaha
[19:37] <rgreening> Riddell............ where are thou... ? :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error)
[19:37] <apachelogger> [akonadiserver] Where is my MySQL config file??
[19:37] <apachelogger>  poor akonadiserver :D
[19:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: You can clickety-click on the .diff.gz on LP and open them with Ark now.
[19:37] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:37] <rgreening> yay
[19:37]  * apachelogger always was able to :P
[19:37]  * rgreening so happy
[19:39] <rgreening> anything else needs fixing seeing as the last bug was fixed already?
[19:51] <ScottK> rgreening: You might look at http://bugs.debian.org/503034 and see if our package needs the fix.
[19:54] <rgreening> ScottK: sure...
[20:00] <rgreening> ScottK: we have 0.9.7beta-1 in the archive. Do you want me to get 0.9.8 and try it? The original bug indicated a FTBFS on 0.9.7
[20:01] <ScottK> rgreening: I don't have time to investigate.  I'd say figure out if we need to update our package or not.
[20:02] <rgreening> ScottK: sounds like we should have 0.9.8 and it's in debian... so a re-sync from debian I guess....
[20:03] <ScottK> rgreening: OK.  Look and see if it's got new features and either file an FFe or ask motu-release for upload OK.
[20:13] <rgreening> ScottK: I just loaded KMymoney2 and he plugin seems to load/work fine. Prob don't need/require an update, though I have no way to test it.
[20:13] <ScottK> OK
[20:15] <DaSkreech> KDE4 version ?
[20:15] <rgreening> ScottK: I just realized. We are running 0.9 not 0.9.2... 0.9.2 requires the update.
[20:16] <rgreening> so, if we bump one, we need to bump both. That's all.
[20:16] <rgreening> I guess we leave as is.
[20:16] <ScottK> rgreening: OK.  That answers it.  Feel free to look at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ for anything interesting.
[20:17] <rgreening> k. I'm out for a couple of hours. will be back later... got to go visit Nan.. 93rd b-day today :)
[20:31] <DaSkreech> rgreening: say hi to ipwizard :)
[20:31] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: ping
[20:32] <apachelogger> oh dear, now I fell over
[20:32] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: sup?
[20:32] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: can you assist ingwa in main chan?
[20:33] <DaSkreech> Looking for a way to demo 4.2 in kubuntu
[20:34] <apachelogger> last I heard neon was broken on all ends :P
[20:36] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[20:36] <apachelogger> checkOut() started with component: kdesupport
[20:36] <DaSkreech> rgreening: kmymoney dev :)
[21:11] <smarter> heya :)
[21:12] <DaSkreech> !hi
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[21:12] <kubotu> in fact, I rather just use the same week
[21:13] <apachelogger> ~markov enable
[21:13] <kubotu> aight
[21:13] <apachelogger> you know, I hate CSS, like ... a lot
[21:13] <kubotu> you know, it is not fast
[21:14] <DaSkreech> woah
[21:14] <apachelogger> that too, though what is faster nowadays anyway? my kubuntu takes >1 minute to boot, if only we had 5 secs boots, or at least some upstart
[21:15] <kubotu> that too, but I've seen that happen when using pbuild, if it doesn't seem to be a bad bug.
[21:15] <DaSkreech> My kubuntu busyboxes on boot everytime
[21:15] <kubotu> My kubuntu install
[21:15] <apachelogger> did you upgrade to intrepid yet, kubotu?
[21:15]  * smarter is on holiday \o/
[21:15] <kubotu> did you see the classes
[21:15] <kubotu> smarter is @ lp
[21:16] <apachelogger> hm
[21:16] <apachelogger> that markov plugin is crap TBH
[21:16] <apachelogger> needs some love
[21:16] <kubotu> needs some changes to my samba share which it may be able to open dolphin instead of look for stuff that only works locally.
[21:16]  * smarter thinks he's at home rather than at launchpad :P
[21:16] <kubotu> smarter thinks pyqt needs a faster server archive.ubuntu.com sucks
[21:16] <apachelogger> but not mine, I am braindead due to too much css
[21:16] <apachelogger> ~markov disable
[21:16] <kubotu> done
[21:16] <kubotu> but not the time
[21:16] <DaSkreech> :-)
[21:16] <smarter> yeah, right kubotu
[21:16] <DaSkreech> Chatty
[21:17] <smarter> one week till intrepid?
[21:17] <DaSkreech> little less
[21:17] <smarter> that means I must poke ossi really hard to fix that issue with KDM :]
[21:17] <smarter> we almost fixed it, except every patch we try b0rk something else in the process
[21:18] <apachelogger> smarter: uploads later than sunday have very very very very little chance of getting in unless they fix something very very very very important
[21:18]  * smarter goes reenabling kvkbd in kds/accessibility, It Works(TM)
[21:18] <ScottK> smarter: You have another kvkbd upload?
[21:18] <smarter> nop
[21:18] <ScottK> Good.
[21:19] <smarter> I just need to enable the accessibility stuff in kds
[21:21] <ScottK> BTW, you might want to look and see that the bzr repo for Guidance is up to date if you haven't recently.  I'm pretty sure I'm done banging on it for this release.
[21:24] <smarter> ok
[21:27] <smarter> synced ;)
[23:45] <sbeattie> any chance boson can be dropped? It's uninstallable and pretty clearly needs kde3 to build.
[23:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[23:46] <ScottK> Does in depend on Konqueror?
[23:46] <ScottK> libkonq4
[23:46] <mornfall> (Just for the record, changing installer to autosearch right now is not a very bright idea, due to technical issues involved.)
[23:46] <ScottK> If so, it almost certianly has to go.
[23:46] <ScottK> mornfall: Yeah, we didn't change that.
[23:47] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[23:47] <mornfall> Ack. Me too.
[23:49] <sbeattie> ScottK: it fails to install because of a dependency on libopenal0a. Rebuilds fail because it build-depends on kdelibs4-dev/kdemultimedia-dev. Trying to use kdelibs5-dev instead results in it not being able to find KDE3_INCLUDE_DIR
[23:49] <sbeattie> at that point, I'm already over my head in kde packaging.
[23:56] <sbeattie> ScottK: I'll file a bug and subscribe apachelogger