[01:29] mornfall: bug 286219, see if that makes more sense [01:30] Launchpad bug 286219 in adept "[intrepid] adept crashes with SEGFAULT" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286219 [01:31] and whoa, spelling + grammar really fell apart in the last sentence, \o/ [01:32] * jtechidna hates it when 2 bugs get mixed in one report, especially when he mixes them himself [01:58] who do i ping about an amarok2 question? [02:08] slow night to0night [02:11] just don't ping any liberals! [02:12] nader vs. baldwin on cspan2 [02:13] playing city of heroes tonight [02:13] just had a quick amarok2 [02:13] question [02:17] #amarok would be a good bet ;-) [02:20] but5 that would mean i would have to join another channel :) [02:22] so, what's the question? [02:22] if I can't help Nightrose or apachelogger could probably help [02:23] I would use Banshee if it didn't have all of those stupid mono bindings...it is pretty damn slick, plus the lead developer for it is one of my neighbors in chicago [02:29] heretic! :O [02:30] sorry wife called [02:30] (j/k) [02:30] if i install amarok2 the [02:30] the favorite icon in application launcher doesn [02:30] work but it works through application launcher multimedia [02:31] does that make sense? [02:35] is the favorite icon a gear? [02:35] no [02:36] hmm, there was that problem with favorites turning into gears and not working [02:36] could possibly be a bug with the kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-settings [02:36] i remember hearing [02:36] hrm never mind it just cleared up and is working now [02:36] wierd [02:37] weird, at least it works [02:38] yup [06:10] JontheEchidna: Ah, I apparently understand now. [06:11] JontheEchidna: Do you have any idea why would anyone alternately left/right click on a checkbox though? : - P [06:11] (At least I understand now what was meant with calculating dependencies...) [06:12] looks like kubuntu 20081022 has no bugs that affect me so i am going to plug my nose and dive in [06:13] what KDE is that? [06:28] 4.1.2 [06:28] oh better strap up the waders too [06:29] hi apachelogger [06:29] hola! [06:29] how are you? [06:30] tired :P [06:33] Figures [06:33] Quicksand for KDE 4.1 :) [06:38] seriously, I expected more [06:40] * apachelogger tries to fix qt loading in kde-nightly [08:49] Is there a way to stop nm-applet from running in a kde session on intrepid? [08:49] It seems to block knetworkmanager from working and just looks alien:-) [09:04] hunger: remove it [09:05] hi hunger [09:07] apachelogger: Gets started on login and is required for ubuntu-desktop. [09:07] hunger: install ubuntu-desktop then [09:07] apachelogger: I added Only show in to its desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart now. [09:07] apachelogger: I do have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed. [09:07] will be supersed upon upgrade [09:07] there is a bug report about it though [09:08] apachelogger: Of course it will. But at least things work for now. [09:08] apachelogger: And I can always use git to merge back my changes:-) [09:09] kubotu: facts about apachelogger [09:09] [5/12] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/12] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers [09:09] ^^ [09:10] if lp was any slower I could finish a whole cup of coffee while searching for a bug [09:10] hm [09:10] nm-applet has almost more bug reports than kdebase :P [09:11] hunger: bug 268803 [09:11] Launchpad bug 268803 in network-manager-applet "Ubuntu Intrepid: Both Knetworkmanager and Network Manager load on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268803 [09:12] apachelogger: Does it auto collect facts ? [09:12] Daskreech: no [10:21] is the 'run this action now' dialog part of adept or something else? [10:22] where? [10:23] It was like the firefox notification but it asked me to click to reload apt's caches [10:57] hi there [10:57] xerosis: it's update-notifier-kde [10:58] hi Tonio_ [10:58] Riddell: I saw canonical's searching for a new kde dev ;) excellent news [10:58] I have no friends of mine to propose for candidate, unfortunattely === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | One week to go! [10:58] Tonio_: I think plenty of people have applied [10:59] Riddell: afaics, the job is more to code upstream what we miss right ? [10:59] there is no kubuntu specifics in the description (packaging and so on) [10:59] in any case, that show canonical wants to do more with kde4, and I'm really happy wityh this :) [10:59] s/wityh/with [11:00] Riddell: I've started the uds page, probably done on monday.... [11:00] Riddell: too much work actually since I have to prepare the hardy french parliament desktop [11:00] Riddell: I worked something like 70 hours from monday to thursday [11:01] Riddell: that's why I'm late on that point.... sorry for this [11:01] Riddell: thanks [11:01] Tonio_: we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs now [11:01] Riddell: ah...... okay so I'll paste my items then :) [11:02] Riddell: that's the worst moment of the year for me, but it ends on november :) [11:03] then the parliament starts using hardy? [11:05] yep :) [11:06] Riddell: but due to the feisty -> hardy migration, and the very hight level of pernalisation done, the work is pretty hard :) [11:06] Riddell: that's why I bugged you with kde3 recently :) [11:06] Riddell: I'm trying to migrate everything that was done with horrible bash scripts using kiosk [11:07] Riddell: and finally it works, even hidding desktop files or put virtual entries on the desktop :) [11:07] Riddell: I wrote a few kdelibs patches for this, but that's always more maintainable than bash scripts putting things in $HOME :) [11:08] Riddell: I'll let you know when done so that you can blog about that [11:21] Riddell: How long before those fixes make it to cd? [11:27] davmor2: pitti let in most of the changes this morning so I guess whenever the next CDs are made [11:27] so probably monday then I'll ping you if they work ;) [11:57] Wahoo! Working 'click on the diff.gz in Konqueror' with Ark. [11:57] * mandree wonders if there are going to be fixes to the non-functional certificate management in KDE4... [11:58] in time for the 8.10 release, that is. [11:58] Otherwise the KDE-ized Ibex might be as Intrepid as it is toothless :-) [11:58] ScottK: yay [11:58] mandree: unlikely, does a fix exist? [11:59] To my knowledge, it is an upstream bug, but it renders the current KDE4 8.10 RC completely unusable. [12:00] The whole "kcmshell4 crypto" screens seem more like mockups.# [12:00] same for Konqueror, it displays like "Acme Co." and Acme Sundry Products Company. [12:00] My major concern is the discontinuation of KDE3. [12:01] Think "Kolab client". KMail would do it, but is useless without proper Certificate Management. [12:02] Likewise, Konqueror is useless if it cannot detect MITM attacks in HTTPS://. [12:04] I'm aware that 8.10 is more like a cutting-edge, but I'm really concerned about the fact, and possible bad press. [12:09] IMNSHO the missing/nonfunctional SSL certificate management is so important it should be mentioned on the front page, at prominent places in the release notes, so that users can choose to stick to 8.04 and KDE3 until this certificate issue is fixed. [12:09] Or a workaround is documented. [12:57] my OK icon has turned into a loud speaker [12:57] until I click the button, then it's the normal tick icon [13:05] mornfall: nobody would ever right and left click a checkbox like that really fast unless they misunderstood bug reproduction instructions, lol === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:39] anyone have network weirdness on intrepid tests? [13:40] i can connect to an access point, start a connection, but then the rest time out [13:40] e.g. i can hit the google homepage but then it times out on a search [13:40] i can ssh to a server but the it times out and disconnects [13:40] i can start a source list update but then it times out after the first few hits [13:41] When did this start? [13:41] i dont know if it is necessarily networkmanager because i tried managing the connection just using ifconfig and i still get the problem [13:41] ScottK: first time i started it on this computer, but on a different machine, alpha 5 (alpha 4 worked) [13:41] ScottK: just did a base install of intrepid live last night on a different machine [13:41] although it works ok in my VM [13:41] (on a different machine) [13:42] This is wired or wireless? [13:42] wireless, although the alpha testing computer i used was wired [13:42] We have an open bug for some people having trouble with wired networks via NM. [13:42] What chipset? [13:42] intel [13:43] uhm.. hold on so i can find you something more interesting.. [13:43] Which for wireless (see lspci output)? [13:44] intell pro wireless 3945abg [13:45] Hmm. I think there are some open 3945 bugs. I'll look. I have 4965, [13:46] kernel/driver bugs or networkmanager bugs? [13:47] Kernel [13:47] oh yay :-/ [13:47] Which would be consistent with it doesn't work via ifconfig [13:47] hmm.. can i use an old cd to get install an older kernel? [13:48] The only one I found so far is only if you used the kill switch. Still looking [13:49] it should be working if you don't hit the kill switch [13:49] * Hobbsee hasn't had problemswith it in ages [13:49] well, at least from theother side of the pond [13:49] bug 223174 [13:49] Launchpad bug 223174 in linux "Intel WLAN, 3945 (a/b/g) - low performance" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223174 [13:49] i think that's it [13:49] Hmm. I was also looking at Bug 229063. [13:49] Launchpad bug 229063 in linux "New IWL driver often loses connection." [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229063 [13:50] That one is marked fix released upstream, so maybe there's something that can be done for -updates. [13:51] Nope. That one according to Intel is fixed in 2.6.26 [13:57] adept is no longer installed in kubuntu? [13:59] it should install just fine [14:00] it seems to be in recommends [14:00] JontheEchidna: i have a user using kubuntu 8.10 and doesnt have it installed [14:01] recommends get included on the CD [14:02] yeah i know user says kubuntu-desktop isnt a package so i think i know where this is going [14:02] heh === TeLLuS_ is now known as TeLLuS [14:13] gnomefreak: called 'user can't spell'? [14:29] Someone with more patience than me might want to see if gnome-bluetooth can be made to work in Kubuntu. It'll be good to answer that question in the release notes. === thunders1ruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:30] hi. small note: you might want to update the hardy "kubuntu-desktop" package so it depends on "adept-manager". otherwise the update notes on the kubuntu.org web page will not work, if people don't have adept-manager installed. [14:31] Riddell: ^^ ? [14:31] tolonuga: recommends are installed from cd so it should install it from cd [14:32] is uswsusp needed to do suspend to disk? [14:32] gnomefreak: Is it in the recommends? [14:32] gnomefreak: I think it's just adept [14:32] adept is in recommens [14:32] recommends [14:33] AFAIK adept-* is depends or part of adept [14:33] ignore, my fault. there is a depend chain from kubuntu-desktop to adept-manager via kio-adept. [14:33] Ah. [14:33] guess got it wrong with the quote issue (fixed already) I had. sorry for the noice. [14:34] No problem. Better to find that out now than a week from now. [14:34] one more suggestion: distribution update can take a while, and I guess it is hard to interrupt and restart later. so you might want to check if a laptop is on battery and issue a warning if so. [14:34] ScottK: I don't have anything much to test bluetooth with [14:35] Anyone else with some bluetooth? [14:35] we only have one adept package now, "adept" and it is pulled in by kubuntu-desktop [14:35] Tonio_ usually knows about bluetooth [14:36] I couldn't make gnome-bluetooth work, but I'm new to it (the week between when I upgraded to Intrepid and when bluez4 got uploaded were the first time I had working bluetooth) [14:38] what directory would have the kernel packages on a live cd? [14:39] seele: /boot ? [14:39] Riddell: there is no /boot on this CD? [14:40] Riddell: i have the live cd mounted.. i want to get an older kernel package [14:42] KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing... /var/log/dist-upgrade is still empty. I had the update run once inside an strace, where it worked fine (downloading some file - no idea where it placed it). I then aborted, and wanted to start it now once more (without strace) and got this crash. [14:42] any idea how to help debugging this? (x86_64 laptop if that matters) [14:44] tried once more, now it is working fine. [14:45] note that adept-manager (once you click the version update button) is english only - not translated to german so far. [14:45] the tool it downloads and runs next however is in german again. === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:47] the "Package Changes" window at first is not properly sized (for the german translation). hitting the "Details" button resizes it ok. also as the title "Package Changes" is not translated. [14:51] tolonuga: The lack of a German language pack is a known issue that's being worked. === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:58] seele: the CD only has one linux build on it, which I guess you can't access from the live system [14:58] seele: if you're trying to install a different linux build on the hard disk you'd need to mount then chroot into the hard disk and try and install it from there [14:59] Riddell: i'm not booted in to the live cd [15:00] ugh, got to go.. i'll have to fix this sunday night [15:01] I assume no one has worked on LP 264466. It's a simple one (just needs a update in the control and maybe install file to add the missing package). If no-one minds, I'll take a stab at fixing. [15:01] Launchpad bug 264466 in kde4bindings "KDE4 bindings packages not complete" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264466 [15:05] rgreening: we do have libqyoto4.3-cil [15:06] hmm... someone forgot to close the bug I guess [15:06] seems up to date [15:06] I'll close. [15:09] * rgreening hunts some other bugs... === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:24] Riddell: what are the issues again with having both the KDE phonon and Qt4 phonon? In ref to LP 253854. I believe we may be able to have both... [15:24] Launchpad bug 253854 in qt4-x11 "Needed libphonon enabled in Qt4 compilation/packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253854 [15:27] any chance of us seeing kdenlive 0.7 the kde4 version in an experimental repo? [15:34] supert0nes: I'll take a stab at building it for ya. [15:34] rgreening: having two versions of the same library seems like an inherantly bad idea [15:34] Riddell: they are actually named differently. [15:34] how are they named? [15:35] Riddell: and in different locations. One is phononsomething and the other from qt is libphonon... [15:35] Riddell: iirc.. [15:35] it's just asking for linking problems [15:35] got an error during update: update-manager update failed. terminal shows lots of error messages from dpkg: status database locked already by other process (tried to translate german back to english). [15:35] Riddell: which is why we couldn't get it working in qtjambi, which requires the libphonon name... [15:35] is that a known issue? any way I can help debugging it? [15:36] tolonuga: file a bug, attach files in /var/log/dist-upgrade [15:37] wow thanks [15:37] ok. all files from that dir or only some? [15:37] all [15:38] supert0nes: ver 7, is that KDE3? Looks like there's a svn one for kde4 [15:38] they said they released beta 1 [15:38] http://www.kdenlive.org/content/kdenlive-07beta1-released [15:39] i can understand if it is too early in their development for our repos [15:40] It'd be good to get into Jaunty when it opens. [15:40] ScottK: I agree. If I get it working, I'll upload to my PPA.. we can decide where to dump it after... [15:43] rgreening: if your repo has relatively working stuff may i get a link? [15:46] supert0nes: https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening [15:47] ok, done, bug 288746. sorry, all log files in german :8 [15:47] Launchpad bug 288746 in update-manager "update hoary to intrepid RC failed with dpkg locked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288746 [15:47] supert0nes: I periodically upload stuff I am working on for Intrepid to there. Shouldn't cause any breakage as it's eventually going to get pushed upstream. [15:48] supert0nes: I'll let you know when I upload kdenlive [15:48] rgreening: plans for Pythoids? :) [15:49] ok [15:49] DaSkreech: hmmm... I was speaking with _Sime. He indicated it required a newer sip and pykde. I built those, but had the same issues. Apparantly there's a known issue with the segfaults [15:49] is there a repo for the new adept but on hardy? [15:49] what is the equivalent of "adept_manager" in intrepid? my update failed, and now it is no longer installed. how shall I continue the update? [15:50] adept [15:50] does it have some option to continue/fix the broken update, or simply run it (inside kdesu)? [16:05] supert0nes: attempting build now... [16:06] sweet [16:07] too bad i'm on rhel5 at work ugh! heh [16:08] tolonuga: Not clear on that :) [16:09] I wonder when RH will ship KDE4 by default [16:10] is adept search broken in latest? or is it just me... [16:10] seems to hang [16:10] DaSkreech: If you mean RH, and not Fedora, my guess is 2011. [16:11] ScottK: can you try searching for libmlt-dev in adept and see if it hangs after typing only lib... [16:11] fedora 10 ships amarok2 by default [16:11] I think the search is really b0rked [16:12] ... [16:12] hey mornfall. [16:12] adept is behaving weird for me [16:12] Sure. Give me a few minutes. [16:12] rgreening: I would consider it broken [16:12] could be my system... [16:13] I search for things I know are there and they don't turn up [16:13] and if you add a new repo then nothing from it turns up :( [16:13] mornfall: ^ [16:13] :) [16:13] jjesse: It's fascinating how crazy Fedora is for new stuff and how ulrta conservative RH is [16:14] omg.. adept finally retunr the results after hanging for like 2 minutes [16:14] rgreening: Known issue, just needs lib to be blacklisted. [16:14] ok. [16:14] rgreening: As a search term that is. [16:14] rgreening: If you type fast (like me) you won't likely ever notice that problem... [16:14] so, can't search for libmlt-dev? for example... [16:15] You can, you just need to type it in one go at least till the dash. [16:15] omg. that seems so bad [16:15] :) [16:15] we maybe need a cache engine for searches in adept [16:15] True, and it's easy to fix, really. [16:15] lol [16:16] * supert0nes wonders if RH will use fedora 8 or 9 [16:16] You don't. [16:16] :) [16:16] lib is about the only problematic one, really. [16:16] And I think the problem got introduced by the prefix searches, just btw. [16:16] maybe require 4 chars instead of blacklisting and only search after 4 chars... [16:16] (That's because there are few zillion packages starting with lib.) [16:17] most search engines require a min 4 char search, so it may be reasonable here. [16:17] rgreening: No. It's > 2 chars && != "lib". [16:17] Okey, [16:17] Well. [16:17] lol [16:17] Whatever. [16:17] :) [16:17] If you think >3 is good, then the patch is extremely trivial. [16:17] np. just a suggestion. you know better than I [16:18] Just find the >2 test and change it to >3. [16:18] You can probably give that patch to Riddell. I won't have time until I get back to Europe at least. [16:18] okies, mornfall. I'll do it with > 3 and see what happens. :) [16:19] you da man. [16:19] :P [16:19] rgreening: So you don't need me to test now? [16:19] ScottK: nope. confirmed. [16:19] I'll get a fix in a few minutes [16:21] mornfall: Huh? If it has a dash it doesn't turnup ? === [newbie] is now known as LeeJunFan [16:26] do? [16:26] Err. [16:26] DaSkreech: ? [16:26] What do you mean? [16:28] for example I added the kubuntu-kde4-members ppa and then couldn't install koffice-kde4 [16:28] WOuldn't turn up [16:28] some time after that I realised the kubuntu-desktop wouldn't show [16:30] mornfall: is this the line to which we need to mod (in manager.h): if ( txt.length() < 3 && !m_tags->active() ) { === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [16:31] mornfall: and possibly: std::string query = txt.length() < 3 ? "" : txt.toLocal8Bit().data(); (in same file) [16:32] rgreening: Sounds like it. [16:33] Change, compile, try and see... : - ) [16:33] ok. I'll give her a go... :) [16:33] I have to sleep, it's well past midnight and I fly tomorrow. [16:33] kk [16:33] Goodnight. [16:33] gn [16:33] And god luck. [16:33] good* [16:33] ty [16:39] no matter when i come in here someone is saying good night [16:40] Night is Good [16:40] diverse crowd :) [16:40] good Knight like Sir Galahad [16:48] ScottK: in hardy, is KDE 4.1.2 backported? [16:48] Hardy KDE4 updates are being done in PPA. [16:49] Backports stops at, (IIRC) 4.0.3. [16:49] ok. Then in hardy updates, are we at 4.1.x? or still 4.0.80 or something? [16:49] from the PPA ^ [16:50] ScottK: bug... 264466. I marked as fixed. user still sees 4.0.80 under kde4bindings package in the PPA. [16:51] PPA bugs are invalid by definition anyway. [16:51] Probably a package got deleted out of the later builds [16:52] kdebindings is showing 4.0.80 and not 4.1.2 src [16:52] Then probably no one uploaded it. [16:52] I haven't had anything to do with the PPA stuff. [16:52] Does KDE have a common ODF lib now? [16:56] mornfall: fixing those lines worked for adept [16:57] DaSkreech: not until koffice 2 or qt 4.5 are out [16:57] Riddell/ScottK: Uploaded a new adept rev to testing PPA. [16:58] feel free to test/promote once built. Fixes broken search (lags due to searches with 3 chars or less) [16:59] this is high priority to get into Intrepid (in my opinion) [17:01] rgreening: Would you please put a debdiff in a bug and point me at the bug? [17:01] np. [17:05] LP is being a pain [17:07] ScottK: bug 285073 exists already. I attached debdiff there. [17:07] Launchpad bug 285073 in adept "adept_manager 'hangs' when entering lib in search window" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285073 [17:08] rgreening: Looking [17:12] Alright anyone want to hazard as to why my sound is almost on mute at full volume in Ibex? [17:12] or why I have to turn down the sound to hear anything in videos? [17:12] rgreening: Please keep debian/changelog entries to 79 characters per line. I'll fix it for this one. [17:16] The Video thing is a bit upsetting as I can't rationalize it [17:20] rgreening: Also closing the bug in the changelog is a good thing (also fixing). [17:27] ScottK: Didn't know there a=was a bug till you suggested lookin...:) oops... [17:27] ScottK: And I realize I should have... or opened one [17:27] :) [17:27] ScottK: thanks. [17:37] rgreening: It still searches on lib with your fix here. [17:37] but only after 4 chars? [17:38] I was doing it wrong. [17:38] ScottK: if you type only 3 chars, nothing should happen [17:38] You're patch works for adept. [17:38] only after the 4th [17:38] :) [17:38] no more laggy [17:38] whee [17:39] The add/remove thingy suffers the same problem. [17:39] Can you fix it there too? [17:39] ok.... le me see... [17:40] ScottK; can you confirm? Cause I don't see an issue.. [17:40] * ScottK tries again. [17:40] I just ran adept installer and typed lib... no lag [17:41] oh.. nm. I see now [17:41] ScottK: if you press enter to search (as it's not automagic there... [17:41] rgreening: Yes. [17:41] That's the one. [17:42] hmm... the other search it autosearched as you type. this one isn't. [17:42] So less of an issue then. [17:42] ScottK: I'll have a look. It may need an autosearch (to be consistant) and use the same fix [17:42] Let's not then. [17:42] :) [17:43] I'll go with this. [17:43] I agree. [17:44] Uploaded. Soyuz ate my last one, so no guarantees. [17:54] ScottK: Soyuz? [17:54] Isn't it "my dog ate it" [17:54] The Launchpad build system. [17:55] ah. okies [18:26] anything that needs fixing? [18:28] Soyuz is fixed. [18:28] :) [18:48] Riddell: hi, I just did a test upgrade from hardy->intrepid and it seems like there is a issue with the session name in kdm. when I try to login after the initial restart I get thrown back into kdm - when I manually select sessiontype kde and the login it works fine. any idea? [18:49] kdm-kde4 vs kdm? [18:49] could be a naming issue, agreed [18:50] mvo: did you happen to keep a backup of yuor home dir? maybe a clue there... [18:52] rgreening: I can check ~/.xsession-errors [18:53] my theory is that the session name changed (from kde4 before to kde or something like this) and that confuses kdm because it has "use last sessioN" as default. but that theory is pulled out of my hat, don't trust it too much :) [18:54] hmm... I did a regular Hardy KDE3.5 to Intrepid KDE4.1 with no issue, so it may be what you suggest. [18:54] Was it hardy remix, clean install or what? [18:54] (this was kubuntu-kde4 -> kde4) [18:55] clean install of the kubuntu-kde4-desktop (I guess this is hardy remix, I'm not too familiar with kubuntu, sorry) [18:55] np [18:57] mvo: locate kdmrc [18:57] I just bootet the hardy image (I have a snpashot of this) and indeed the session type here is "KDE 4" whereas in the upgraded system its "KDE" [18:58] 1 sec... [18:58] * mvo should add that he is quite impressed with kde 4.1 - looks very shinny [19:00] :) [19:00] mvo: Use Trunk :) [19:00] mvo: look in /usr/share/xsessions and tell me what you see [19:00] I have kderc here in /etc/kd4/kdm/kdmrc [19:00]