[00:00] <danage> hi nhaines
[00:02] <nhaines> csilk: yes.
[00:02] <nhaines> danage: hiya, danage.  :)
[00:02] <csilk> nhaines,  anywhere I can see this?
[00:07] <swuboo> Does anyone have any idea why FF3 might point blank refuse to use Flash 10.0 r12?  Flash has been completely crippled for me since moving to Intrepid yesterday, and upon checking, I discovered that Flash 9 and Flash 10 were both enabled in Firefox.  Disabling nine removes all flash support entirely; disabling ten has no effect.
[00:08] <ethana2> nhaines: human-murrine and newHuman?
[00:09] <ethana2> ...I look forward to having a working Dust theme..  can't seem to get it going on Hardy
[00:10] <swuboo> Attempting to click on a link to an swf file with only flash 10 enabled does nothing at all; it doesn't even prompt me to download.
[00:12] <montree> hi, anyone help me witha wireless issue with the beta version of intrepid?
[00:13] <andresj> hey anybody know wer i can find a free service that checks a certain email inbox and then loads a URL with the subject, sender, contents, etc? kinda like webcron (before it was made pay-per-launch) but for each time u receive an email.
[00:13] <montree> I upgraded to intrepid but it broke my wireless, and I dont have an ethernet connection
[00:14] <montree> I posted on the ubuntu forum, but no one replied: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6003003#post6003003
[00:16] <joaopinto> montree, you should file a bug report on launchpad
[00:20] <joshual> is there an app I can use to control cpu profile when my laptop is plugged in and when its not?
[00:20] <vmelo> hi there
[00:21] <vmelo> anyone got no partition table while installing beta?
[00:21] <vmelo> my partition table was not recognized
[00:23] <AirBender> this happened to me a long time ago, after a failed formatting process from the instalation process
[00:23] <AirBender> havenn't tried the beta live cd
[00:24] <AirBender> is it the official beta or a daily-live?
[00:25] <vmelo> AirBender: I tryed live and alternate
[00:25] <joshual> anyone know what app is used in intrepid for cpu scaling?
[00:25] <foomanchew> anyone using nvidia driver ?
[00:26] <WelshDragon> joshual, there's an applet you can add to the panel. "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor"
[00:26] <AirBender> vmelo: but is it a daily-live or the beta from the main webpage?
[00:26] <vmelo> AirBender: beta from main webpage
[00:27] <AirBender> you had better to get the daily-lives
[00:27] <joshual> WelshDragon: Oh I had it installed, but didn't realize it could chanage the scaling... just did :)
[00:27] <vmelo> AirBender: do you have any link?
[00:27] <foomanchew> I upgraded and now nvidia driver no longer active, compiz broken!
[00:27] <foomanchew> Boo hoo
[00:27] <joshual> thx
[00:28] <AirBender> vmelo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/  not sure, but something like that
[00:29] <vmelo> AirBender: thanks, I'm gonna try it
[00:29] <AirBender> ok, in the current subdirectory
[00:30] <vmelo> AirBender: yeah, I found the images here :)
[00:31] <grizlo42> i want to install nvidia-glx-96, but it says that it can't because it conflicts with libgl2-glx or something like that
[00:32] <grizlo42> but if i try to uninstall that, then it removes dependencies for a whole load of necessary packages
[00:34] <Woody86> my monitor is not displaying the correct resoloution in Kubuntu 8.10, can anyone help me out?
[00:41] <grizlo42> *libgl1-mesa-glx to be exact
[00:43] <td123> well I can truly say that everything I use in intrepid hasn't changed... which is a good/bad thing
[00:43] <td123> 4 of my buttons work correctly now though :D
[00:45] <csilk> Is there a screenshot of the final intrepid default gnome theme anywhere?
[00:46] <grizlo42> there doesn't seem to be anyone here right now who is helping people
[00:46] <LARefugee> any successful bluetooth headset users with intrepid yet?
[00:47] <grizlo42> they just did an uppdate on a bunch of those packages
[00:47] <grizlo42> but i don't use it so i don't kwno
[00:47] <LARefugee> grizlo42: you mean bluetooth?
[00:47] <td123> LARefugee: theres been lots of problems with bluetooth
[00:47] <grizlo42> larefugee: mhm
[00:48] <LARefugee> Yeah I got those updates. It seems a little better behaved but definitely not where it should be. oh well..
[00:59] <zeco> shouldn't the boot menu be fixed in the ibex rc when starting in livemode? because it seems it isn't
[01:00] <zeco> is it likely that they'll fix the remaining issues until next thursday?
[01:01] <ronny> hmm, dammit
[01:01] <danbh_intrepid> zeco: is there a bug report?
[01:01] <zeco> I haven't looked but it's impossible that there isn't
[01:02] <zeco> this is too obvious, it's the first thing when you boot from the image
[01:03] <zeco> the language selection shortly appears but flips away before one can do anything. after that, you can't get the language menu back, no matter what. The Extra Options menu is empty and when pressing on help the whole menu kind of disintegrates
[01:04] <demontager> somebody have problem with sound? I have distortions in games especcialy in wine
[01:04] <zeco> I didn't say anything when it was an alpha / the beta but now this has me scared a bit
[01:04] <danbh_intrepid> zeco: well, the menu has worked in the past for me.  If its not working, it might just be your hardware?
[01:05] <danbh_intrepid> zeco: without a bug report, it won't get fixed
[01:06] <ronny> does intrepid have anything for wlan-debugging ? im getting weird slowdowns in regualt basis
[01:06] <csilk> Is there a screenshot of the final intrepid default gnome theme anywhere?
[01:07] <grizlo42> will there eventually be support for old nvidia drivers in intrepid, or should i go back to hardy?
[01:07] <Optimus55> does anyone know if this fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 is incorporated in the soon to be released ubuntu??
[01:07] <zeco> hm I guessed this would be very unlikely to be a hardware issue-- it's just a small vga-gui to construct a start command isn't it? My hardware is a Dell Inspiron with nvidia graphics, that shouldn't be all that exotic
[01:07] <mikel> hey when i ad the wicd repo it doesent show up in syneptic?
[01:07] <RAOF> grizlo42: That depends entirely on nvidia; apparently there's work in progress there, so at some point we'll presumably SRU in a working set of drivers.
[01:08] <grizlo42> ok good
[01:08] <Optimus55> yep. had a hd die on me already (i'm pretty sure its related to the load/unload bug cus it was fairly new) when using ubuntu. i'm a little worried cus i want to reinstall the new version
[01:08] <Optimus55> install*
[01:08] <ronny> mm, anyone?
[01:10] <Optimus55> slow night tonight...
[01:11] <zeco> another (very small thing): When starting Firefox in Intrepid RC, it still has the welcome message of Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS. Is this worth a bug report?
[01:12] <mikel> how come whe i add wicd repo to syneptic i dont get it when i do the search how come?
[01:12] <mikel> lol like quoets
[01:12] <nkei0> anyone want to help me get java working?
[01:13] <mikel> eh crap gotta go
[01:18] <nkei0> anyone here want to help me with getting java to work?
[01:19] <redvamp128> ﻿Question-- In the updates today I noticed a do not bump Kubuntu up to intrepid? Does it have issues?
[01:20] <punzada> I ... didn't get any updates today
[01:20] <redvamp128> No I noticed it on -- the regular --- 8.04 ubuntu updates..
[01:21] <redvamp128> I also have the kubuntu desktop installed as well
[01:21] <punzada> same
[01:21] <punzada> odd
[01:21] <redvamp128> I was thinking of installing intrepid -- this weekend-- on the other computer-
[01:22] <punzada> i dist-upgraded about a week ago
[01:22] <punzada> been smooth sailing
[01:22] <td123> redvamp128: wait for the final release (30th) if you don't want to have a higher risk of problems :D
[01:22] <nkei0> punzada: Have you gotten Java to work?
[01:22] <redvamp128> punzada:  It was not a required update-- I always daily goto update manager -- and use the check function (update junkie)
[01:23] <punzada> i haven't had any java issues
[01:23] <punzada> has worked fine
[01:23] <nkei0> did it come with intrepid?
[01:23] <punzada> no idea if it updated or not with my intrepid upgrade
[01:24] <nkei0> Oh, so you had it working already on hardy?
[01:24] <punzada> i just did a normal dist upgrade from 8.04
[01:24] <punzada> yup
[01:24] <redvamp128> the other computer is the same as this one-- when they upgraded terminals at work they gave me 3 of them-- Netvista 6578RBU- PIII 900mhz and 256mb memory and 20gig hard drives--
[01:24] <nkei0> hmm, how did you install java on hardy?
[01:25] <punzada> just installed from synaptic
[01:25] <redvamp128> I thought for me-- when I installed java -- I used synaptic--
[01:25] <danbh_intrepid> does gcj work?  I keep using sun-java because it failed in hardy...
[01:25] <danbh_intrepid> it being gcj
[01:25] <nkei0> hmm did you do it through the gui or terminal?
[01:26] <redvamp128> there was one note-- with me-- I had to expand the details-- so I could see the accept the liscence
[01:26] <punzada> just apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[01:26] <nkei0> that whole phrase or all three seperately?
[01:26] <redvamp128> without doing that it would hang the install and it would fail out after 20min of waiting..
[01:27] <punzada> i forget how i did it originally
[01:27] <punzada> doesn't matter
[01:27] <punzada> i'm pretty sure they're all linked
[01:27] <nkei0> lol for me it does!
[01:28] <redvamp128> after it downloads the packages -- expand the details ---
[01:28] <nkei0> oo, here is another question...  when I type su in the terminal it asks me for my login and password, and then it says there is an authentication failure when i do
[01:28] <redvamp128> the accept the liscence without doing that didn't display for me.
[01:28] <danbh_intrepid> nkei0: you can also use: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:28] <nkei0> danbh_intrepid: I've actually already done that, and it still doesn't work.
[01:29] <punzada> nkei0, ubuntu defaults no root password
[01:29] <danbh_intrepid> orlly?
[01:29] <punzada> you have to do sudo su
[01:29] <punzada> log in, and then passwd
[01:29] <nkei0> oh neat
[01:29] <nkei0> sorry for all the noob questions
[01:30] <punzada> tis what support channel is here for :)
[01:31] <nkei0> how do i create a folder?  I'm following the instructions from the java website right now
[01:33] <nkei0> ok i got it
[01:35] <punzada> installing through synaptic didn't work for you?
[01:35]  * calc installing 8.10rc :)
[01:36] <punzada> i was getting like 40-100mb of updates daily to ibex
[01:36] <punzada> nothing today
[01:36] <punzada> guess thats cause of the freeze ;x
[01:37] <nkei0> how do i change my gui to have all the permissions?
[01:38] <calc> punzada: yep it hasn't updated since yesterday morning
[01:38] <calc> punzada: i'm pretty sure it isn't going to update before rc i haven't heard of any new testing being needed anyway
[01:39] <punzada> nkei0, you can run 'sudo nautilus'
[01:39] <darthanubis> intrpeid is nice
[01:39] <punzada> it will run a nautilus window with root access
[01:39] <ethana2> gksu nautilus is advised i think
[01:39] <punzada> ah yes
[01:39] <ethana2> so as to not run gtk as root
[01:39] <punzada> gksu is probably best
[01:39] <darthanubis> other than the console kit daemon or something keeps crashing
[01:39] <ethana2> i have a 'frigging' alias...
[01:40] <ethana2> what i want it to do is auto-detect the gui toolkit and not run it as root
[01:40] <ethana2> but i'm not that skilled
[01:40] <nkei0> thx guys
[01:40] <punzada> network manager is still not really working for me
[01:41] <punzada> but i'm not that broken up about it i use other apps/command line stuff to handle network stuff
[01:41] <ethana2> I unsecured my wifi and set my SSID to my email address
[01:41] <ethana2> public service in addition to making all my wifi stuff Just Work
[01:41] <ethana2> my uncle wanted me to use a firewall
[01:42] <ethana2> pssh
[01:42] <punzada> not all your free leeching user neighbors may be as law abiding as you :)
[01:42] <ethana2> I /did/ check the address of all the sex offenders in my area code in google earth though
[01:42] <ethana2> registered ones anyway
[01:42] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[01:43] <punzada> i have a lot of little honeypot traps on my network for intruders to make me laugh when i go to check logs and such
[01:43] <punzada> like anyone trying default ssh will end up in my p2 box
[01:43] <punzada> with no privledges
[01:43] <punzada> alone and scared
[01:44] <ethana2> heh
[01:44] <punzada> have fun hacking the 400mhz machine guys ;x
[01:44] <ethana2> you should make a HAL or gladOS bot for them to talk to
[01:44] <punzada> I should
[01:44] <punzada> it's funny when connecting to stuff like efnet
[01:44] <ethana2> It should tell them their IP and inform them that it has begun filling their basement with a deadly neurotoxin
[01:44] <punzada> how many times that box gets scanned
[01:45] <ethana2> you know what would be even better?
[01:45] <ethana2> a hack retaliation bot
[01:45] <calc> wow ubuntu is getting bloated its already up to 2.3GB for a base install, heh
[01:45] <ethana2> the latest build of nmap with an AI attatched
[01:46] <ethana2> it still fits on a CD
[01:46] <ethana2> more than can be said of Vista
[01:46]  * calc is pretty sure xp takes more than that and is 7 years old
[01:46] <ethana2> seriously?
[01:46] <punzada> I realized my home+install partition on this laptop (which is set at 12gb) only had like a gig of space left
[01:46] <calc> well xp with all the security patches
[01:46] <ethana2> so SP3
[01:46] <punzada> I had over 3GB of irc logs
[01:46] <ethana2> haha
[01:46] <punzada> you realize how much text that is? ;x
[01:46]  * ethana2 hugs disk usage analyzer
[01:46] <calc> openoffice is around 3GB
[01:47] <ethana2> KOffice come quickly..
[01:47] <ethana2> If only Sun would have made an Office suite instead of a Java tech demo..
[01:48] <punzada> I'm impressed with what Sun has done with virtualbox
[01:48] <nkei0> hrm...  java hates me
[01:48] <punzada> they worked out quite a lot of kinks very quickly.
[01:48] <ethana2> nkei0: you may hate it back.
[01:48] <bsnider> right-click doesn't work on this crackbook touchpad
[01:48] <ethana2> bsnider: what?
[01:49] <nkei0> anyways could you visit this site http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#enable and under mozilla 1.4 and later tell me if it means the /usr/java directory or the usr/java/jre-u10 or whatever directory?
[01:49] <ethana2> is that like a macbook you buy with drug money?
[01:49] <saxon> Anyone here?
[01:50] <nkei0> yes.
[01:50] <ethana2> .....very yes
[01:50] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: erm, you want sun to make an office suite?
[01:50] <saxon> I am concerned about upgrading, I have an nVidia card and I want to know if there will be any issues if I try to upgrade.
[01:50] <ethana2> no actually, not anymore
[01:50] <ethana2> I just want KOffice to mature
[01:51] <nkei0> saxon: Are you already running without acpi?
[01:51] <nkei0> saxon:  or rather have you fixed that issue?
[01:51] <saxon> I don't know what acpi is.
[01:51] <ethana2> suspend and jazz
[01:51] <ethana2> i use suspend constantly, it's really nice
[01:52] <ethana2> you should /never/ have to shut down your machine
[01:52] <ethana2> suspend, suspend, suspend, hot kernel swap, suspend, suspend
[01:52] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: I was gona say, sun developed openoffice...
[01:52] <nkei0> saxon: You probably don't have anything to worry about then.  I heard that a few nvidia cards are doing the same thing as the ati cards with acpi but if you don't have a problem with your current setup you shouldn't in ibex
[01:52] <swuboo> The only problem I've had with the upgrade is a complete and utter crippling of Flash, but I think I'm the only one.
[01:52] <ethana2> danbh: ....i'm aware
[01:52] <nkei0> swuboo: flash works fine for me, it's java that was crippled
[01:53] <ethana2> java gave me problems on 8.04
[01:53] <saxon> I ask because there's a dire warning that came up when I was beginning to upgrade
[01:53] <swuboo> nkei0:  Whereas my java is doing just fine.
[01:53] <ethana2> swuboo: could you test something for me?
[01:53] <nkei0> I would gladly trade.
[01:53] <ethana2> you're on intrepid, right, swuboo?
[01:53] <saxon> And it was mentioned in the upgrade page on the website
[01:53] <nottha_k_> ever since I installed intrepid my http connections have been bizarrely slow. everything else seems to work fine. anyone have any ideas while I'm waiting for launchpad to start?
[01:53] <swuboo> ethana2:  Correct.
[01:53] <ethana2> swuboo: the typing test applet on hi-games.net
[01:53] <ethana2> see if the text entry cursor is positioned correctly
[01:54] <ethana2> ..in 8.04 it's not and that makes it unusable for me
[01:54] <swuboo> ethana2:  It won't even load.
[01:54] <ethana2> oh.
[01:55] <Bashew_> Hi, I've got an issue with 8.10 Beta
[01:55] <Bashew_> And it's been affecting my machine, even with the Alphas
[01:55] <swuboo> I've also noticed that Firefox tries to use 9.0 rather than 10.0 r12
[01:55] <rww> Bashew_: You're in the right place :). What's the problem?
[01:55] <Bashew_> Thank you so much, I'm going to take a bit to type it out
[01:55] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: works for me
[01:56] <punzada> applet loads fine and positions fine in 8.10 for me
[01:56] <Bashew_> Well, it seems I can connect to the internet just fine, but when I go on multiple IRC networks, or multiple connections it stalls
[01:56] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: at least so far, the test hasnt completed yet, but Ive stopped typing
[01:56] <Bashew_> When I use firefox, I can only use Google, all other websites will load the background color, and then die out
[01:57] <Bashew_> And in fact, now I'm on a SSH tunnel to my home server, to be on IRC. Oh, and APT won't even work. It resolves the IPs to the servers about... 1 in 3 times I try.
[01:57] <rww> Bashew_: Did it work okay in 8.04?
[01:57] <Bashew_> Yes
[01:57] <Bashew_> A while back, I tried disabling IPv6, and that didn't do any good
[01:57] <rww> Do you happen to know which wireless chipset / kernel module you're using?
[01:57] <Bashew_> I'm right now on a wired network, actually
[01:58] <Bashew_> let me get that, one moment
[01:58] <Bashew_> I'm using the "forcedeth" module, according to nm-applet
[01:58] <Bashew_> This is also a nVidia chipset, if that'd be of any use to mention
[01:58] <rww> Hmm. Can you paste the output of lspci into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:59] <Bashew_> I'll try
[01:59] <gaelfx> I installed Skype-static-oss variant and now it's telling me that the bin file is corrupt, so I tried to reinstall is and skype-common, but I get the same message after installation, how can I fix it?
[01:59] <Bashew_> Yeah, that doesn't load unfortunately. Would you mind if I put it in a text file on my server?
[01:59] <rww> Bashew_: that's fine
[02:00] <ethana2> hmm
[02:00] <ethana2> danbh: I am encouraged
[02:00] <ethana2> java in 8.04 didn't handle fixed width fonts correctly and it was useless on every single line
[02:01] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: im on 32bit ubuntu, which I think is the best supported.  You may have different results on kubuntu or 64bit
[02:01] <Bashew_> rww: It should be at: http://72.86.61.27:81/output.txt
[02:01] <ethana2> i use 32 bit
[02:01] <danbh_intrepid> actually, kubuntu shouldnt matter for java, I would think
[02:02] <nkei0> omfg!  I got java to work!  apparently, I was just making a typo on my previous attempts
[02:02] <rww> Bashew_: got it. give me a sec
[02:02] <Bashew_> Oh, forgot to mention, this affects both 32bit and 64bit versions of the Ubuntu versions I try
[02:03] <gaelfx> has anyone else had troubles with Skype recently
[02:04] <danbh_intrepid> gaelfx: yes, I have tons of trouble with skype
[02:04] <danbh_intrepid> it sucks
[02:05] <gaelfx> danbh_intrepid: are you using static-oss version also?
[02:05] <gaelfx> or are you being overzealous about freeness?
[02:05] <danbh_intrepid> gaelfx: no, Im using the medibuntu version I believe
[02:06] <danbh_intrepid>  2.0.0.72-0medibuntu4
[02:06] <gaelfx> danbh_intrepid: well, I'm using medibuntu version also, but they offer all the different variants of it as well
[02:06] <gaelfx> danbh_intrepid: are you using AMD64 version of ubuntu?
[02:08] <danbh_intrepid> gaelfx: no, 32bit.  And the I can get it working, its just a pain.  It locks up sound, so no other sound can play.  I have two mics, and it can only find one of them.  It doesn't seem to work with pulse.  So those are the problems I'm getting, but at least I can get it working.  The part about it locking up my sound really annoys me though
[02:09] <gaelfx> danbh_intrepid: you should give the static-oss variant a try, it fixed the sound problems on my box
[02:10] <danbh_intrepid> interesting, oss instead of alsa
[02:11] <EnderTheThird> for the new network manager updates, how do i keep it from reverting back to DHCP so it will keep the static IP i give it?
[02:12] <gaelfx> danbh_intrepid: you can also use it with 'padsp' so it should work with pulseaudio
[02:13] <danbh_intrepid> whats that?
[02:13] <Aero> hi, per colin watson's instructions on ubuntu-devel-announce today, i'm looking for someone from ubuntu-release team to acknowledge a fairly serious bug
[02:13] <Aero> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/259385
[02:13] <danbh_intrepid> Aero: were you sent to this room?
[02:14] <Aero> no, the mailing list post said to 'find someone on IRC'
[02:14] <Aero> is there another place i should go?
[02:14] <danbh_intrepid> ya, #ubuntu-devel
[02:14] <Aero> k, thanks
[02:15] <swuboo> Fantastic.  I solved the Flash problem.  It was an swf decoder package issue; I guess it was incompatible with flash 10.
[02:21] <Scorcher> anyone install tday release?
[02:21] <Bashew_> Test.
[02:22] <Bashew_> Ah, interesting how I'm keeping my connection despite me toying with the forcedeth module
[02:22] <ToHellWithGA> appletouch is driving me crazy here
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> any of y'all figured out how to get the touchpad on a macbook to get along with the new xorg.conf-less setup?
[02:23] <nkei0> anyone here have any experience with the acpi freezing issue known to many ati video cards?
[02:24] <AirBender> may be I'm a victim of this kind of freezing... in some computers in the university
[02:26] <Bashew_> I figured out my previous issue. With a bit of a pain in the rear relying on Google's Cache to get answers, turns out there was an issue with the forcedeth module in several kernel versions
[02:26] <nkei0> AirBender: how does it freeze?
[02:26] <AirBender> it's really random
[02:27] <AirBender> but generally it happens when reading pdfs with evince, and doing fast movements with the scrollbutton of the mouse
[02:27] <nkei0> AirBender: Mine will freeze a few minutes after startup, i can still move the mouse but nothing else works.  And sometimes the screen goes all weird, but whenever I edit the kernel to start with acpi=off noapic nolapic and edd=on it desn't happen
[02:27] <nkei0> the only problem is that i have no 3d support and my battery monitor is awol
[02:28] <AirBender> mm sure as you don't use acpi
[02:29] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: ping
[02:36] <DanaG> oh
[02:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, AppleTouch will likely need a _different_ match.
[02:37] <DanaG> cat /proc/bus/input/devices to find the name.
[02:37] <ConstantineXVI> is what's currently in the repos considered RC?
[02:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, nv_bios didn't fix suspend/resume.
[02:43] <jamesish> Hey folks. Understanding that intrepid is still beta quality software, are there many major bug fixes to be resolved with it?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> it's pretty reasonable
[02:44] <mikel1> anybody know if the cruddy wifi signal problems will be fixed in the final release? i tryed myself and ended up screwing up so bad i had to reinstall.
[02:45] <ConstantineXVI> mikel1: since it's hit RC, don't expect any major changes
[02:45] <mikel1> RC?
[02:46] <ConstantineXVI> mikel1: release candidate; which becomes final if there aren't any showstoppers
[02:46] <mikel1> ahh i see
[02:47] <mikel1> hmm so is there anything i can do do fix this then only thing i havent tryed is ndiswrapper cos i heard its real complicated and in vista (eww) i get 60+ signal where i am but in ubuntu i get 20%
[02:48] <swuboo> mikel1:  Are you sure that's because the signal is actually weaker?  Vista may be inflating the numbers to make them look more impressive.  Like cell phone signal bars.
[02:48] <nkei0> anyone here know how to solve my
[02:49] <Aero> anyone know what happened to the encryptfs-utils package?
[02:49] <mikel1> swuboo: nah i actualy see a drastic difference in speed and relieability to
[02:49] <swuboo> mikel1:  Ah.  Well, it was worth asking, I guess.
[02:49] <mikel1> lol no prop
[02:50] <keanu> I just rebooted, and after getting a kernel panic (I think it was because of some random line in fstab...) I now have no sound
[02:50] <keanu> I've checked alsamixer, and nothing's muted
[02:50] <keanu> When a youtube video plays, all I hear is some static
[02:50] <gaelfx> mikel1: still haven't found a solution?
[02:51] <mikel1> so anyone wanna help me work with ndiswrapper and see if i can get a better signal with my windows drivers?
[02:51] <keanu> Would it be worth trying an older kernel?
[02:51] <gaelfx> keanu: just for youtube? no
[02:51] <mikel1> gaelfx: to my video problem? yea when i got home i used my driver cd lol. i just was many hours from being home and unable to get it last night
[02:52] <gaelfx> mikel1: oh, haha, well at least you got one thing fixed ;)
[02:52] <keanu> gaelfx, I've also tried VLC and totem
[02:53] <mikel1> gaelfx: yea now im gonna try and see if ndis wrapper will gimme a better wirless signal lol
[02:53] <keanu> ...and amarok
[02:53] <gaelfx> keanu: an older kernel isn't likely to fix that problem, it's probably a graphics driver issue if vlc and totem don't work also
[02:53] <mikel1> gaelfx: just need help as iv heard its complicated
[02:53] <keanu> gaelfx, sound = graphics?
[02:53] <gaelfx> keanu: err....sorry, audio driver
[02:53] <keanu> lol
[02:53] <keanu> meh, I'll try an older kernel anyway
[02:53] <gaelfx> I'm too used to people having graphics problems in here
[02:53] <keanu> yeah
[02:53] <swuboo> keanu, gaelfx:  Could be a Pulseaudio issue, too.
[02:54] <jamesish> mikel1: ndiswrapper is simple if you're comfortable with the command line.
[02:54] <gaelfx> swuboo: very fair point
[02:54] <dr_Willis> !upgrade
[02:54] <swuboo> I lost all sound for a few days when I migrated to, um, whatever it was I just upgrade from.
[02:54] <mikel1> jamesish: im ok with it but i would say im still severly novice
[02:54] <nkei0> so, speaking of graphical issues, does anyone want to assist me in fixing my acpi freezing X issue?
[02:54] <gaelfx> mikel1: yeah, you migh as well give it a go, it's not soo bad, you gotta get used to terminal some time
[02:54] <keanu> lol
[02:55] <swuboo> 8.04.  It turned out to be entirely Pulseaudio related.
[02:55] <keanu> odd, ok
[02:55] <nkei0> I had the issue in 8.04 too, but I was hoping a fresh 8.10 install would fix, but it didn't.
[02:55] <mikel1> anybody got a link to a sight i can read up on terminal commands? (like a cheat sheet lol)
[02:55] <keanu> found the problem
[02:55] <keanu> PCM was set at 0 =/
[02:56] <gaelfx> keanu: lol, ain't that a B
[02:56] <keanu> a B?
[02:56] <keanu> oh
[02:56] <keanu> lol
[02:56] <keanu> read that wrong at first
[02:56] <gaelfx> ;)
[02:58] <keanu> and I have sound :D
[02:58] <keanu> thanks gaelfx and swuboo
[02:59] <swuboo> keanu:  Sure.  Glad you got it sorted out.
[02:59] <keanu> Now let's hope that the kernel panic was just a random fluke with fstab
[02:59] <keanu> first time I've seen the caps lock led and scroll lock led flash
[03:00] <swuboo> keanu:  Yeah, it's usually a bad sign when they do that.
[03:00] <swuboo> I managed to lock my machine so hard yesterday that even SysRq couldn't do anything.
[03:02] <keanu> wow
[03:02] <gaelfx> it was all swuboo
[03:02] <keanu> I've had a time or two where SysRq didn't (appear to) do anything
[03:03] <ripps> Has anybody else not recieved an update since Tuesday. There used to be several updates a day till now.
[03:03] <ripps> Also, can anybody else use mpd?
[03:04] <mikel1> i just download 100mgs of upgrades lol
[03:05] <icanhas> anyone know what the deal is with super slow flash?,
[03:06] <ripps> I've got super slow flash too. It's alot better with compiz off. Till they fix it, I've installed flashblock in firefox.
[03:06] <icanhas> flashblock works well if you have no interest in viewing flash content ;)
[03:07] <icanhas> i wish gnash was 2 years ahead in devel.
[03:08] <ripps> icanhas: I figure if I want to view flash content I can just switch compiz off with fusion-icon and carry on my way. At least with flashblock, If I accidently encounter flash, my browser doesn't grind to a halt
[03:08] <gaelfx> ripps: they're probably trying to lock things down for the release next week, so it's not surprising there aren't any updates recently
[03:09] <ripps> Well, they broke MPD. And I really want my mpd back.
[03:09] <mikel1> yea i get a 50% signal next to router lol this blows
[03:10] <swuboo> I was having terrible flash problems based on the fact that I had an outdated SWF codec package installed.
[03:10] <maccam94> i'm trying to connect to a wireless 802.1x peap-gtc network. i only see md5 and mschapv2 as authentication methods. is there another way to configure the wireless security settings?
[03:10] <ripps> I think most flash problems should start being fix once DRI2 is completed
[03:11] <swuboo> Once I uninstalled that, Flash worked fine again.
[03:11] <icanhas> swuboo: fresh install over here :(
[03:11] <ripps> Well, yeah, you can use swf, but it's crap with youtube.
[03:12] <swuboo> icanhas:  Definitely a different problem, then.
[03:12] <icanhas> DRI2 is like the end of the world. Everyone knows it's coming, but no one knows when :(
[03:12] <ripps> In fact, I don't even use flash with youtube. I installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to load youtube  videos using mplayer-plugin
[03:12] <mikel1> sees like my updates are downloading updates i already have hmmm?
[03:12] <mikel1> bad thing?
[03:13] <icanhas> ripps: that sounds ... useful.
[03:13] <gaelfx> mikel1: it means they were either corrupt or deleted, not the worst thing to have happen, imo
[03:14] <ripps> icanhas: In fact, mplayer plays flv's better than any flashplayer. It can even use post-processing. It's awesome. I'm trying to implement something similar for my Windows partition.
[03:14] <mikel1> gaelfx: yea i dont mind as long as its keeping me up to date lol
[03:14] <mikel1> gaelfx: ugh but im not looking forword to the restart after there finished
[03:15] <icanhas> ripps: you should suggest a script to automate that proccess.
[03:17] <swuboo> ripps:  That's extremely interesting.  I may have to look into implementing that myself.
[03:17] <ripps> icanhas, swuboo: HQTube - http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
[03:17]  * icanhas has been implementing for the last 3 minutes
[03:17] <mikel1> gaelfx: any idea why everytime i do an update i gotta reinstall me nvidia drivers from low graphics mode?
[03:18] <Jordan_U> mikel1: How did you install them in the first place?
[03:18] <icanhas> mikel1: you custom compiled your nvidia drivers in a different kernel version?
[03:18] <mikel1> nah i installed them via jockey
[03:18] <mikel1> or hardware drivers
[03:19] <swuboo> Bookmarked for future reference.
[03:19] <ripps> Anyway, is anyone else here having trouble starting MPD?
[03:19] <mikel1> its not that big of a problem just kinda anoying having to reinable the restricted drivers everytime
[03:20] <swuboo> ripps:  I don't know what MPD is, but if I have it I'm not above checking.
[03:20] <icanhas> multiple personality disorder... most linux users have it
[03:20] <ripps> swuboo: Media Player Daemon
[03:21] <ripps> I don't have multiple personalites, just meglamanical delusions
[03:21] <swuboo> ripps:  That I don't have installed, I'm afraid.  icanhas:  I'm pretty sure the DSM-IV no longer recognizes multiple personality disorder.
[03:23] <ripps> Can someone explain the purpose of gvfs for me? I seems to be just a virtual mount of /
[03:24] <icanhas> ripps: you may regret asking that. last time i did the explanation melted my face
[03:25] <mikel1> any idea when google chromes linux version is commen out?
[03:26] <spencer> seeing some instablity with my Atheros 802.11 driver.  It's always decide to turn off the network once in a while. have to do a ifdown ath0 && ifup ath0 to fix it.
[03:26] <ripps> I know someone's done a Chromium (Google Chrome) that relies heavily on Wine.
[03:26] <icanhas> odd, my atheros is running _better_ with ibex
[03:27] <spencer> the card itself is a d-link G520 card.
[03:27] <BHSPitMonkey> does the YouTube plugin in Totem work for you guys?
[03:27] <mikel1> chromium ?? lol neverheard of it and yea i tryed using wine to install but it has a pop up that sais its not for my os
[03:28] <spencer> totem-gstreamer is somehow showing negative images on any divX or quicktime on me...
[03:28] <jamesish> Part way through running the upgrade to ibex, the graphical upgrade tool in gnome has apparently frozen  on python-imaging.
[03:30] <jamesish> It won't show me its little terminal so I can see whether anything's going on there, but top doesn't show any heavy processes save for mencoder, and lsof doesn't show python having anything open with the string "ima" in it.
[03:30] <maccam94> mikel1: you probably have to set wine to emulate XP
[03:30] <DanaG> handy hint: ps afx | less
[03:30] <DanaG> and then use arrow keys to look around.
[03:31] <DanaG> Perhaps something there will be the hung app.
[03:32] <icanhas> short of man, what's the 'f' switch in that command do DanaG?
[03:32] <DanaG> one is tree, one is 'all users', one is.. beats me.
[03:32] <DanaG> I don't actually remember.
[03:32] <jamesish> afx is nicer than auxww.
[03:32] <swuboo> DanaG: ERROR: Long sort specification must follow 'k'.
[03:33]  * icanhas thinks ps -e ftw
[03:34] <jamesish> Looks like the upgrade is still running, just slowly.
[03:35] <clone_walls> Sooo.. When I open Firefox default install the top bar if you will if buried under the top bar [applications... etc] and I have to right click to move it, max it etc... is this a bug? I'm on a IBM T42 laptop 1042X768..... was doing this with the live cd... yesterdays build
[03:35] <ripps> Chromium is the Linux/OSX version of Google Chrome. Neither have are fully functional yet nor have a gui. Some made a version of Chromium that uses wine to use windows version in combination with linux code.
[03:35] <clone_walls> if=is
[03:39] <ripps> CrossOver Chromium: http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/
[03:42] <gaelfx> is there a PDF reader available that I can print multiple pages per sheet from?
[03:44] <swuboo> gaelfx:  I believe the default PDF viewer has that option.
[03:44] <swuboo> gaelfx:  Print dialogue, page setup tab, "Pages per Side"
[03:46] <BHSPitMonkey> Chromium is actually the backend to Google Chrome
[03:46] <gaelfx> swuboo: aha, the problem was it defaults to print to a file, not hte printer :P sorry, I'm an idiot
[03:48] <icanhas> gaelfx: happens to the best
[03:48] <gaelfx> and me
[03:51] <ethana2> WOOOHOOOOOOOO
[03:51]  * ethana2 frantically fills out a Digg thingy
[03:55] <ethana2> GAAHAHAAH
[03:55] <ethana2> I didn't get to it first
[03:55] <ethana2> it was announced on the mailing list
[03:55]  * ethana2 throws hat at ground
[03:56] <gaelfx> does this mean that there are new updates available now or is it just a change in name?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> gaelfx: the latter, mainly
[03:56] <gaelfx> Hobbsee: kk, thanks
[03:57] <gaelfx> someone wanna help me figure out why my bluetooth won't pair with any devicees?
[03:58] <DanaG> Bluez 4.x is major breakage.
[03:58] <DanaG> I can't create an rfcomm port with it, for example.
[03:58] <DanaG> I also can't WRITE files through gvfs over bluetooth.
[03:59] <gaelfx> sigh :S well that's die fledermausing
[03:59] <DanaG> What kind of device are you trying to pair?
[03:59] <gaelfx> logitech mouse, it used to show up in the list of devices, but now it doesn't even do that
[04:00] <drakeman> helllo, to all ubuntu community!
[04:01] <DanaG> Hmm, mice shouldn't be too hard.
[04:01] <RAOF_> DanaG: I can read/write over bluetooth?  What doesn't work for you?
[04:01] <DanaG> I can't write to my phone's file system over the "Browse Device" thingy.
[04:01] <DanaG> "Operation not supported by backend"
[04:02] <gaelfx> yeah, it's kind of a brick right now, I keep going to use it and nothing happens :S
[04:02] <DanaG> Hmm, you may need to remove the device from the list of paired devices, and then putting the thing back in discoverable mode.
[04:02] <DanaG> Also consider installing:
[04:02] <DanaG> !info bluez-compat
[04:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF_: DanaG uses KDE.
[04:03] <ripps> I had problems with bluetooth, I had to manually install the libbluetooth2 package from Hardy to fix things
[04:03] <DanaG> bad tab-complete?  Or just swapped order?
[04:03] <DanaG> =þ
[04:03] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps I should try kde bluetooth thingy.
[04:03] <RAOF_> Hobbsee: Ah, right.  Yes, that's (apparently) broken.
[04:07] <DanaG> grr, kde thing only offers "Input Device" -- that's it.
[04:07] <gaelfx> DanaG: yeah, i tried removing it, and now it doesn't even show up in the New Device Search
[04:07] <gaelfx> but it shows up in hcitool scan
[04:07] <gaelfx> but I don't know how to add it without hidd :S
[04:08] <gaelfx> I tried hcitool -cc, and it seemed to create the connection (it didn't say that it failed or anything) but nothing changed
[04:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the wizard thing does not continually refresh.
[04:08] <DanaG> You may  have to hold a button on the mouse to make it discoverable, perhaps?
[04:09] <gaelfx> yeah, I did that and it still doesn't show up
[04:09] <DanaG> kbluetooth4-devicemanager(14145) Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBackend: Error loading ' "BlueZ" ', KService said:  "The shared library was not found."
[04:09] <DanaG> argh.
[04:11] <drakeman> hey i have a little question, the people here is the same that the people in ubuntuforums.org? the same people that give help there?
[04:11] <BHSPitMonkey> So, installing Flash 10 fixed sound for me.  Problem is, installing the flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't actually install the plugin into Firefox.
[04:11] <drakeman> or some of you are from the ubuntuforums?
[04:11] <BHSPitMonkey> Had to do it manually.
[04:11] <icanhas> drakeman: the linux community is like a collective
[04:11] <BHSPitMonkey> we are borg
[04:11] <DanaG> Bluetooth seems fundamentally broken to me.
[04:12] <drakeman> ok, i want to know, because i see differents name here,
[04:12] <drakeman> not the names on the forums!
[04:12] <Hobbsee> drakeman: most of us aren't on the forums - or aren't much.  #ubuntuforums has people who are both on the forums, and here
[04:13] <drakeman> thanks hobbsee
[04:15] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[04:15] <drakeman> awesome, the best community, with the best OS
[04:15] <drakeman> hehee
[04:15] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, bluetooth under KDE4 certainly _was_ broken by the bluez 4 upload, and I'm not sure whether it got fixed or not.
[04:15] <DanaG> Same under Gnome.
[04:15] <DanaG> No way to make an rfcomm connection.
[04:16] <DanaG> Not that there was PREVIOUSLY any way, either.... at least with the Gnome thing.
[04:16] <DanaG> The Gnome thing didn't have a way to choose which service to bind to on a device.
[04:16] <gaelfx> well, in hardy my bluetooth worked, but I got a lot of freezing when watching video
[04:17] <ripps> I visit the ubuntuforums sometimes, but I prefer here because I'm impatient and like havingsometing close to a conversation.
[04:17] <gaelfx> so I'd rather be in Ibex, but I still want to make my bluetooth work!
[04:17]  * RAOF 's bluetooth works.
[04:18] <swuboo> Only time I ever hit the forums is to do a quick search and make sure whatever I'm about to ask here isn't already answered somewhere.
[04:18] <RAOF> What I've been able to test (sending text messages via phone, gnome-phone-manager, sending/recieving files over OBEX).
[04:18] <gaelfx> RAOF: is yours built-in or dongle-based?
[04:18] <gaelfx> (hehe, dongle-based)
[04:18] <RAOF> Built in, although dongle-based should work teh same way (assuming driver support, of course).
[04:19] <gaelfx> big assumption :P
[04:19] <ripps> I've got a dongle right down here :P
[04:20] <DanaG> Not even halfway funny joke.  Bleh.
[04:20] <DanaG> Not even a nyuk.
[04:21] <icanhas> i'll give it one nyuk.
[04:21] <jamesish> Hey folks; just finished dist-upgrading to intrepid, and my screen is no longer centred within my monitor. It's shifted over to the left, but at the correct resolution. Changing things with the monitor's position menus helps some, but whenever I make a context shift, such as from the gdm login screen to my actual desktop, the screen's position is shifted left again.
[04:22] <gaelfx> is there another command for bluetooth besides hcitool?
[04:24] <maccam94> gaelfx: to do what?
[04:25] <jamesish> What's the best place I can report this bug to?
[04:26] <gaelfx> maccam94: anything related to bluetooth
[04:26] <td123> jamesish: launchpad
[04:26] <td123> jamesish: google "launchpad ubuntu"
[04:26] <jamesish> Jeez; why didn't I just think of that :P
[04:27] <td123> is there a utility to create a bootable usb on windows?
[04:27] <coppro> yeah, it's called a bootable CD :P
[04:27] <ripps> Well, I'm going to bed. Hope they fix the mpd bug soon.
[04:28] <td123> coppro: through windows..
[04:28] <coppro> you could always copy the ISO directly to your USB disk if it's big enough
[04:29] <coppro> or install grub onto a custom drive
[04:30] <coppro> but you'd need to copy it all onto an ext3 filesystem first...
[04:31] <anonimo> hi, my camera is not working, dmesg tells me uvcvideo fails to query the device (it's usb, from Suyi Corp)
[04:31] <gaelfx> td123: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610/
[04:31] <predator363> is it me or dose intrepid seem to run 85% slower then hardy lol
[04:31] <anonimo> could anyone help me plz?
[04:31] <coppro> I wonder if you can run debootstrap under cygwin
[04:31] <coppro> predator363: your hardware, most likely
[04:32] <predator363> coppro: how so....it actualy feels like intrepid is throttleing my cpu or somethine
[04:32] <coppro> predator363: are you on a laptop?
[04:32] <predator363> yuppers
[04:33] <gaelfx> td123: or better yet:http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/10/15/ubuntu-810-persistent-flash-drive-install-from-live-cd/
[04:33] <predator363> coppro: yea im on a lapppy
[04:33] <Androidz> can anyone help me with a firefox issue. it seems that for some reason firefox maximizes itself so that I cant reach the top panel bar where the close, minimize, and maximize buttons are. I have tried everything and restarted the comp thinking it was a compiz fusion glitch but no luck. Any ideas?
[04:34] <gaelfx> td123: i know it doesn't exactly work from windows, but that's prolly not quite as easy, unless you want to install ubuntu inside windows like the desktop edition allows you to
[04:34] <coppro> predator363: hmm... do you have a power manager open? It sounds like your processor's throttling has been turned on to save battery power
[04:34] <gaelfx> Androidz: right-click firefox in the taskbar and select move
[04:35] <Androidz> gaelfx, I cant get all the way up there, it gets cut off right on the top of File and Edit
[04:35] <predator363> coppro: i dont think so but i may be wrong either way im on ac power right now so if it is it's obviosly not functioning properly as it shouldent throttle on ac
[04:35] <gaelfx> Androidz: in the TASKBAR
[04:36] <coppro> predator363: well, it can be activated on AC, though it's useless. Are you on Gnome or KDE?
[04:36] <Androidz> gaelfx, I have clicked every single spot on firefox
[04:36] <predator363> coppro: gnome
[04:36] <gaelfx> Androidz: not on firefox, on the task bar, at the bottom of your screen
[04:36] <coppro> predator363: hmm... I don't know enough about Gnome power management
[04:37] <predator363> coppro: hmm
[04:37] <platius> Androidz;  alt click in the window and drag it where you want
[04:37] <gaelfx> Androidz: there should be a little box in there that says firefox, that's where you click
[04:37] <predator363> coppro: how could we check from terminal
[04:38] <coppro> predator363: sure, if I can remember how...
[04:38] <predator363> coppro: lol
[04:38] <gaelfx> Androidz: you probably have to unmaximize it first
[04:38] <Androidz> platius, gaelfx  alt click does show the options, but move does not work nor resize
[04:38] <predator363> coppro: is there any advantage to useing kde instead of gnome?
[04:38] <coppro> predator363: no, just I am familiar with KDE in this case
[04:39] <predator363> coppro: k
[04:39] <Androidz> gaelfx, sorry the TASKBAR :), even from there move or resize does not work :/
[04:39] <coppro> hmm... try to cd into /proc/acpi/processor
[04:39] <gaelfx> Androidz: unmaximize doesn
[04:39] <coppro> and tell me what ls gives
[04:39] <gaelfx> 't work either
[04:40] <platius> Androidz;  alt > left click
[04:40] <predator363> coppro: k just a sec
[04:41] <Androidz> platius, nope, that does nothing at all
[04:41] <platius> hmm
[04:41] <predator363> coppro: im in
[04:41] <coppro> predator363: do you see a directory like CPU0 or something like that
[04:42] <platius> Androidz;  I get a little fist that can drag the window around
[04:42] <platius> Androidz;  Im not in compix though
[04:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, perhaps it's a new thing about registering CPU throttling as an ACPI cooling device....
[04:43] <DanaG> If the CPU is hot, and it can't figure out a fan to use... then it may try throttling.
[04:43] <coppro> DanaG: haven't heard about that
[04:43] <DanaG> Throttling is not actually the same thing as SpeedStep / PowerNow / Cool'n'Quiet
[04:43] <Androidz> platius, ah ya, there is definitely an issue with compiz i think. Maybe if I uninstall it and re install?
[04:44] <coppro> all I know is I accidentally throttled my processor to 12% and can't seem to get it to unthrottle
[04:44] <DanaG> oh yeah, logic is backwards: it's throttle "BY"
[04:44] <DanaG> So try echoing 0% into the throttling thing.
[04:45] <platius> Androidz;  not up on compiz, sorry
[04:45] <coppro> well, I echoed T7 into it, so it went slow. I re-echoed T0, and now it won't work :(
[04:46] <gaelfx> well, I'm gonna try re-installing all my bluetooth stuff, maybe that'll fix it
[04:46] <coppro> could just be FF
[04:46] <predator363> coppro: yea cpu0 cpu1
[04:49] <DanaG> Hmm, try echoing just '0'
[04:49] <DanaG> Or it may need echo -n
[04:49] <DanaG> but try without -n first.
[04:52] <predator363> actually sometimes my computor wont startup cos it freezes on powernowd
[04:52] <predator363> it'll do it evry few day like 5 times in a row
[04:52] <predator363> iv heard powernowd sux
[04:53] <swuboo> I disabled powernowd because it was too annoying.
[04:53] <predator363> i dunno how
[04:53] <swuboo> Although I'm on a desktop.
[04:53] <predator363> is there an alternative to it?
[04:54] <swuboo> I don't know.  Disabling it's easy, though.  System menu, Administration, Services.
[04:54] <swuboo> Just uncheck it and it won't run.
[04:54] <predator363> ah lol ssimple
[04:54] <predator363> but on battery it'd probly kill my comp lol
[04:55] <rww> i just did sudo apt-get remove powernowd. it's so useless >.>
[04:55] <gaelfx> greeeeaaat, bluetooth says my mouse is connected, but it lacks any function AND I can't remove it from the list....
[04:55] <predator363> useless even on a laptop?
[04:55] <swuboo> Could have removed entirely, but it's not like it takes up a lot of space.
[04:55] <rww> predator363: so useless for me, i mean. desktop here
[04:56] <predator363> are speedstep and cool n quite alternatives?
[04:56] <rww> predator363: although linux tends to be pretty bad w.r.t. battery life anyway
[04:56] <gaelfx> AND it still shows up as connected when it's off.....
[04:57] <predator363> rww: hell yea i love linux but i have to admit windows makes my battery last mutch longer (4.5 hours versus linux's maybe 2)
[04:58] <swuboo> Interesting.  I didn't realize that.  That may influence whether I grab a laptop.
[04:58] <DanaG> I've gotten my laptop to be just as good (or rather, as pathetic, due to old battery) under Linux as under Windows.
[04:58] <DanaG> It took lots of tweaking, though.
[04:59] <maccam94> it depends on the hardware and drivers
[04:59] <coppro> does anyone know why my wireless is broken under Intrepid
[04:59] <coppro> it's NetworkManager's fault
[04:59] <DanaG> I had to do various things such as changing journal commit time, installing a not-broken laptop-mode-tools package, and other stuff like that.
[04:59] <coppro> it was like this under Gutsy
[04:59] <coppro> NetworkManager being on made/makes it impossible to connect
[04:59] <coppro> disabling it and connecting manually with iwconfig works
[05:00] <coppro> under Hardy NetworkManager worked fine
[05:00] <predator363> i dont usualy run on battery that long anyway
[05:00] <swuboo> DanaG:  I've never owned a laptop, so this is news to me.
[05:00] <rww> coppro: I had that sort of problem with NM for a while. Get wicd instead.
[05:00] <maccam94> on my dellbuntu inspiron 1420 i could get 3-8 hours depending on usage
[05:00] <coppro> rww: is there a nice KDE application for that?
[05:01] <predator363> so how would i check in terminal what my cpu/s are running at?
[05:01] <coppro> predator363: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling
[05:01] <rww> coppro: dunno, I don't use KDE =/
[05:02] <swuboo> predator:  cat/proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling
[05:02] <coppro> btw, what is wicd? don't see it on an apt-cache search
[05:02] <swuboo> Gerk, I was actually trying to type that into the terminal, funnily enough.
[05:02] <gaelfx> can anyone help me fix my bluetooth?
[05:02] <rww> coppro: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[05:02] <coppro> oh, it's not in the repos :(
[05:03] <rww> coppro: yeah, it has its own repo
[05:03] <predator363> nope sais un supported
[05:04] <rww> coppro: I wandered onto either #debian or #ubuntu drunk one night and shouted "DAMN I HATE NETWORK MANAGER" and someone linked me to it. I hate it a lot less than NM *grin*
[05:04] <rww> coppro: your mileage may vary
[05:04] <coppro> rww: lol. I just wrote myself a setuid script to connect to the network I use (other networks are rare anyways)
[05:04] <coppro> er... not script... needs to be compiled for setuid to work
[05:05] <coppro> it's a massive security whole, but I don't really care
[05:05] <predator363> gonna restart brb
[05:06] <coppro> s/w//
[05:06] <coppro> I just wish I could get my sudoers to work properly so other people can use it :(
[05:06] <coppro> without needing setuid
[05:06] <rww> coppro: you're having problems with it?
[05:07] <DanaG> ARGH!
[05:07] <DanaG> "There was an error copying the file into obex://[00:1E:75:52:22:C8]/SdPictures."
[05:07] <coppro> rww: yeah
[05:07] <DanaG> "Operation not supported by backend"
[05:07] <DanaG> I mean, what the ¿¿¿¿?
[05:07] <coppro> So far I've found out how to break sudo
[05:08] <rww> coppro: have you tried using visudo? it checks to make sure you didn't break the sudoers file before writing it.
[05:08] <coppro> rww: yeah, using that. The sudoers file is well-formed, it just doesn't work
[05:12] <awalton__> DanaG, that operation is not supported by that backend.
[05:12] <awalton__> pretty simple, gvfs-obexftp doesn't support writing files (yet)
[05:12] <pururu> drivers manager say what wifi driver is "activated and in use" but dmesg say that "wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)" this is aspire one laptop.
[05:13] <Dedi_> is your firefox window decoration also gone?
[05:13] <DanaG> Not supporting writing... lame-o.
[05:13] <predator3631> omg i turned off powernowd and im running sweet now
[05:14] <swuboo> That is how it usually works.  Just hope it doesn't eat your battery alive.
[05:14] <awalton__> DanaG, gnome bug 519071 to watch for it, if you like.
[05:15] <Relegated> Can anyone help me out, when I click my Applicaitons button (next to places) it highlights but nothing drops down
[05:15] <gaelfx> grrr, DanaG, you and i are in totally the same position, except that I'm stuck in gnome
[05:15] <DanaG> If I could use a KDE app to do it, that'd be fine.
[05:16] <awalton__> you can use bluetooth-sendto
[05:16] <predator3631> nah i usualy stay on ac so my battery is bassicly just a ups for me lol
[05:16] <awalton__> that's what I do
[05:16] <rww> Relegated: have you tried removing it from your panel then readding it? that happened to me a while ago and doing that fixed it.
[05:16] <awalton__> and believe me, it's not an easy thing to write, I've tried ;)
[05:17] <swuboo> predator:  Then you should be sitting pretty.
[05:17] <gaelfx> it feels like I'm the only one whose bluetooth totally fails to work in Ibex :S
[05:17] <Dedi_> so no one lost firefox window decoration? hmm
[05:19] <DanaG> The bluetooth send thingy in the bluetooth applet also didn't work.
[05:19] <DanaG> Phone just said "Receiving Data...."
[05:19] <DanaG> and then "Check status of sending device."
[05:20] <awalton__> sounds like a bug to me.
[05:20] <DanaG> !\find kcm_solid
[05:20] <awalton__> might be a bluez 4 regression :/
[05:24] <DanaG> I
[05:24] <DanaG> I'm glad Intrepid is not an LTS.... even once it's released, I expect many things to still be broken.
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> did the darkroom theme change?  I just installed the rc and the panels are still light where everything else is dark
[05:24] <DanaG> I just hope the downloads page will notify of the breakage of bluetooth stuff and of Toshiba hotkeys.
[05:25] <awalton__> what toshiba model? mine work fine...
[05:25] <awalton__> (satellite l35 here)
[05:25] <DanaG> Satellite 1415.  An ancient thing with an NV17 card.
[05:26] <DanaG> http://https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/261318
[05:26] <awalton__> oy, that is a bit old ;)
[05:26] <DanaG> P4-Celeron.
[05:26] <gaelfx> how od you quit awn?
[05:26] <DanaG> P4 is hot and inefficient.... so it's crap.  Celeron is a cut-down version of whatever it's based on... so it's crap.  P4-Celeron: crap².
[05:26] <ethana21> yes.
[05:27] <ethana21> ...and i have a P4 and a P4 celeron
[05:27] <ethana21> that said, 8.10 is going on both of them tonight
[05:27]  * ethana21 hugs his C2D Ubuntu Dell
[05:27] <pururu> lolololol, everything that is not 1000 cpus supercomputer is crap!
[05:27] <ethana21> uh
[05:27] <ethana21> no
[05:27] <ethana21> just netburst
[05:28] <ethana21> i wouldn't even call a 180nm Pentium III crap
[05:28] <ethana21> just really slow
[05:28] <DanaG> I have an Athlon XP (Thunderbird) 1.2GHz... that's subjectively FAR             faster than the "vegetable".
[05:28] <ethana21> yes.
[05:28] <DanaG> The P4-Celeron is 1.6GHz.
[05:29] <ethana21> Mine's 1.8
[05:29] <pururu> intel atom is slow here on aspire one laptop, so? if it fit for its purpoise?..
[05:29] <DanaG> And in a laptop... it's the exact opposite of the whole POINT of a laptop.
[05:29] <ethana21> yes.
[05:29] <DanaG> the P4, that is.
[05:29] <ethana21> by the way, pentium D celeron is crap³
[05:29] <ethana21> if it even exists
[05:29] <DanaG> process 23111: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "path != NULL" failed in file dbus-message.c line 1070.
[05:29] <DanaG> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
[05:29] <DanaG> QDBusConnection: error: could not send message to service "org.bluez" path "" interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member "Introspect"
[05:30] <rww> Anyone know if Wubi supports the RC iso?
[05:30] <pururu> in a past a was keep buying $500 videocards considering everything else crap. now i know that integrated videocard is not crap if it fit for it purpoise
[05:31] <jabagawee> pururu, please tell me you actually used those cards well.
[05:31] <jabagawee> it'd be a pity to know that they were only used for compiz.
[05:31] <pururu> yeah, also anyone without $1000 extreme cpu is a bum
[05:31] <pururu> jabagawee: i played some games in windows
[05:31] <pururu> ;)
[05:31] <DanaG> AMD integrated > Intel integrated, for sure.
[05:31] <jabagawee> thank god for that
[05:31] <ethana21> pururu: no, netburst just sucks.
[05:31] <DanaG> s/AMD/AMD\/ATI/
[05:32] <jabagawee> agreed. the (relatively) new 780G chipset was a HUGE turning point
[05:32] <DanaG> Intel also did the whole planet a disfavor by not, at the very least, putting SpeedStep in all desktop P4s.
[05:32] <ethana21> yes.
[05:32] <DanaG> I mean, that's not even asking for a new architecture... it's just asking them to stick the damn extra bit of circuitry in there... and thus save the world billions (if not more!) of watts.
[05:32] <jabagawee> DanaG, your statement actually turns out to be literal once you think of the power draw of all those non-underclocked P4s
[05:33] <DanaG> If they'd done that, at least P4 wouldn't have been actually EVIL.
[05:33] <jabagawee> well, the c2d line  so far has almost made up for it tenfold
[05:34] <DanaG> Yeah... but what about the millions of P4 computers still out there?
[05:34] <DanaG> And the air conditioning systems that are used to cool them?
[05:34] <jabagawee> hmm
[05:34] <jabagawee> are you suggesting we write a virus that checks /proc/cpuinfo and kills all the heathen that are still using the P4s?
[05:34] <DanaG> No.
[05:34] <jabagawee> just kidding, in case the fbi are listening :P
[05:34] <DanaG> But Intel should offer replacements of P4s with, say, Core Solo.
[05:34] <DanaG> But that'd bankrupt them if they did it.
[05:35] <bsnider> jabagawee, i could be up for that
[05:35] <jabagawee> yeah, they definitely can't do that
[05:35] <DanaG> With cooling computers... you spend energy dumping heat into the room... and then spend more energy removing that heat from the room.
[05:35] <jamesish> Interesting. The dist upgrade to intrepid seems to have broken a bunch of my ruby gems.
[05:36] <jabagawee> maybe atom cant be called their repentace?
[05:36] <jabagawee> s/can/cant/
[05:36] <jabagawee> bleh
[05:36] <jabagawee> s/cant/can/
[05:37] <gaintsura> question, is madwifi and ar5007eg supported *FULLY* on intrepid?
[05:37] <jabagawee> honestly, no clue. use the livecd to check?
[05:37] <gaintsura> no
[05:38] <gaintsura> =P
[05:38] <gaintsura> no blank cds
[05:38] <bsnider> gaintsura, yes it is
[05:38] <gaintsura> w00t
[05:38] <bsnider> through ath5k, not madwifi
[05:38] <gaintsura> =(
[05:38] <gaintsura> thats no bueno
[05:39] <pururu> gaintsura: its probably ar5006 here in my aspire one, not sure, its not supported
[05:39] <bsnider> ah, it is bueno, since that's the new open source driver
[05:39] <pururu> but ath5k driver is loaded it says
[05:40] <gaintsura> saw a post on ubuntu forums talking about having to blacklist ath5k to get madwifi to work, I may be mis-reading the article.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938385&highlight=atheros+242x+intrepid
[05:42] <bsnider> yeah, whatever
[05:42] <gaintsura> ?
[05:43] <histo> channels
[05:44] <bsnider> that's why atheros hired the two madwifi guys, so you can blacklist the drivers they create
[05:44] <histo> bsni	
[05:44] <histo> Wow this client is lame
[05:44] <gaintsura> bsnider: I'm lost.. wtf
[05:45] <drakeman> hey anyone has tried to use the adobe master collection cs3 to install dreamweaver cs3 in wine?
[05:45] <drakeman> the installer gave me an error!
[05:45] <gaintsura> drakeman: cs3 (any cs3) gave me a lot of issues
[05:45] <gaintsura> installed virtualbox + windows to do any photo stuff
[05:45] <drakeman> yes? you have the latest version of wine?
[05:46] <drakeman> i already have virtualbox with windows xp installed!
[05:46] <gaintsura> not the git version, but the last stable
[05:46] <drakeman> i have wine 1.1.6
[05:46] <lakitu> hey, i am thinking of making a USB Ubuntu drive, that is persistent - is 8.10 ready? or no. should i hold off until oct 30th?
[05:46] <drakeman> i want to upgrade to intrepid ibex}
[05:46] <drakeman> 6 more days
[05:47] <gaintsura> I'm gonna wait until the day after halloween ^_^
[05:47] <drakeman> hehe
[05:47] <lakitu> thumbdrive, i should probably say. or flashdrive
[05:47] <drakeman> the intrepid ibex have like 2 years or 1 and a half of support
[05:47] <gaintsura> sometimes I wish vbox could better duplicate the host system's hardware
[05:47] <drakeman> thas fine by me
[05:48]  * coppro wishes kvm worked on his machine
[05:48] <gaintsura> kvm the software or the hardware?
[05:48] <coppro> my hardware doesn't support it
[05:48] <coppro> :(
[05:49] <gaintsura> =( you can no has a kvm switch
[05:49] <coppro> yep
[05:49] <coppro> would make windows so much nicer
[05:49] <spartan> has anyone had issues updating within intrepid?
[05:50] <coppro> nope
[05:50] <lakitu> is 8.10 ready to be my go to USB drive install?
[05:50] <drakeman> i prefer to make a clean install when the new version comes out
[05:50] <drakeman> hehe
[05:50] <gaintsura> drakeman: me too, going to better layout my drives this time too
[05:50] <lakitu> i suppose i can always update, if issues
[05:50] <coppro> I usually do so every 3 versions or so; doing every time means copying all my /usr/local and stuff, and getting all the right packages
[05:51] <drakeman> lol!
[05:51] <spartan> mine always locks up while "processing triggers
[05:51] <spartan> "
[05:51] <coppro> hmm... I had that on gutsy
[05:52] <coppro> can't remember what the fix was
[05:52] <coppro> dpkg-reconfigure ldconfig?
[05:52] <spartan> i'll try it
[05:54] <spartan> ldconfig not installed
[05:54] <coppro> hmm...
[05:54] <coppro> just try googling it
[05:54] <spartan> ok
[05:54] <DanaG> Looks like obexfs works... write-only.
[05:54] <DanaG> =þ
[05:55] <DanaG> I just hope it won't take all night to send those 85 megs of files I'm sending. =þ
[05:55] <DanaG> The phone's USB mass storage thingy isn't working.
[05:55] <DanaG> It gives the "no media detected" or some such error in dmesg.
[06:13] <predator3631> hey command for distro upgrade is sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d right?
[06:15] <ml> hello... how is the beta working?
[06:15] <EnderTheThird> Anyone able to tell me why Network Manager keeps reverting to DHCP instead of keeping the manual static IP i assign?  This is not good for a MythTV backend, heh.
[06:18] <EnderTheThird> crap.  nevermind:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/network-manager/+bug/279384
[06:22] <td123> EnderTheThird: that's been a scrutiny of ubuntu :d
[06:24] <EnderTheThird> I think i found a way to do it in my router.  we'll find out, heh
[06:25] <EnderTheThird> td123:  I added a post to that bug.  It's a great addition for laptop users, but for desktops it's terrible!
[06:26] <td123> EnderTheThird: that issue was not a new one either.. its been around for some time now
[06:45] <dfgas> YAY!!!
[06:45] <dfgas> rc1 pretty stable?
[06:47] <Kr0ntab> dfgas: for the majority of configurations... yes.  it's still work in progress, though.
[06:48] <dfgas> hmmmm
[06:49] <dfgas> i wonder how stable on a 64bit system  :D i just can't wait anymore, heh
[06:49] <Kr0ntab> dfgas: I've been running it for weeks now... and I've had only minor issues... each with effective workarounds...
[06:49] <Kr0ntab> dfgas: only one way to find out, eh?
[06:49] <dfgas> yup
[06:49] <dfgas> i am just wondering about vbox
[06:50] <spartan> dfgas: i have issues with my mouse (dies after a few hours for unknown reasons) and updating(hangs after processing triggers for menu)
[06:50] <dfgas> man i can't believe how fast firefox 3.1 is. i can't wait till its final
[06:51] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:51] <wgrant> dfgas: Are the fonts in Firefox 3.1 somewhat strange for you?
[06:51] <dfgas> when final is out i will do a clean install and redo how i do my partitions
[06:51] <dfgas> seem normal
[06:51] <wgrant> spartan: Do you have an Xorg log for after your mouse has passed away?
[06:52] <dfgas> that and i can't wait for i think its call the mpx plugin for compiz
[06:52] <spartan> let me check
[06:52] <dfgas> those 2 final would have been a sweet addition to 8.10  :D
[06:52] <wgrant> dfgas: We should have MPX in Jaunty.
[06:53] <dfgas> SWEET
[06:53] <wgrant> I agree.
[06:53] <dfgas> i hear mpx should be out nov. 1
[06:53] <dfgas> i don't know if that was beta or what
[06:53] <dfgas> i don't care, i want to try it
[06:54] <wgrant> MPX is meant to be in the next X.org release, I think.
[06:54] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:55] <spartan> this might be related:
[06:55] <spartan> AUDIT: Wed Oct 22 11:02:50 2008: 6001 X: client 4 rejected from local host ( uid
[06:55] <spartan> =1000 gid=1000 pid=6197 )
[06:56] <spartan> wgrant: whatever causes this causes my mouse to go dark, even when unplugged and plugged back in
[06:56] <wgrant> spartan: I strongly doubt it, but it's not impossible.
[06:56]  * dfgas must find rc1 iso
[06:57] <wgrant> spartan: Oh, USB failure by the sound of things... Do other USB devices continue to work?
[06:57] <wgrant> Nothing in dmesg?
[06:57] <spartan> wgrant: yes
[06:57] <spartan> let me check
[06:57] <wgrant> Tried to plug it into another port?
[06:58] <spartan> [ 4938.201406] usb 7-2.3: reset low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[06:58] <spartan> and yes i've tried other ports
[06:59] <nekostar> hm
[06:59] <nekostar> anyone actively about?
[06:59] <nekostar> i've some questions, and i expect answers. good ones!
[06:59] <nekostar> >.>
[06:59] <dfgas> i have problems with my flsh reader drive, but its with the computer in general i think
[06:59] <nekostar> hehe was wondering if anyone knew much about how the livecd works
[06:59] <spartan> yep
[06:59] <nekostar> dfgas oh?
[06:59] <nekostar> spartan u know about those dealios? swt
[06:59] <dfgas> when i plug in a sd card, the powerlight and read light blink
[07:00] <dfgas> but on the mac it works perfect
[07:00] <nekostar> oohh
[07:00] <spartan> nekostar: seems fine to me
[07:00] <nekostar> wasnt there something that when u got one working the other busteded?
[07:00] <nekostar> spartan sure sure
[07:00] <dfgas> i don't have windows installed to try in windows, but i am using 8.04
[07:00] <nekostar> however i was kinda wondering why one needs to boot from an iso to install
[07:01] <nekostar> dfgas not to sound snippy but how long since a reboot?
[07:01] <spartan> nekostar: you could update a current install
[07:01] <nekostar> spartan yes yes
[07:01] <nekostar> i was thinking more along the lines of i'm /in/ windows and format a partition with grub and linux and everything
[07:01] <dfgas> hmmm, well just yesterday i believe
[07:01] <spartan> wgrant: any ideas Re my mouse?
[07:02] <dfgas> but before that 5 days
[07:02] <nekostar> and be able to virtualize or just run it depending on desire
[07:02] <nekostar> which _can_ be done with xp and hardware profiels
[07:02] <nekostar> profiles*
[07:02] <nekostar> however not the installing while in an os type o dealio iirc
[07:02] <dfgas> i wonder if i tie into vbox if that would make a difference
[07:02] <nekostar> dfgas u need the package from their site
[07:02] <nekostar> and the extra vbox drivers
[07:03] <nekostar> and then can take possession of usb from vm
[07:03] <dfgas> i have usb enabled  :D
[07:03] <nekostar> but that wouldnt have anything to do with the host os
[07:03] <dfgas> true
[07:03] <nekostar> unless you had to do something manually to get usb working at some point??
[07:03] <nekostar> mine was broken for like a week and a half
[07:03] <dfgas> hmmmm
[07:03] <nekostar> [i had like 6 weeks uptime or something] lol
[07:04] <nekostar> reboot fixed... had to do with upgrading a package or three
[07:04] <nekostar> and if it gets half/full mounted and demounts quickly
[07:04] <nekostar> it can sorta spam the controller and dbus and hal and get blackballed for a while
[07:04] <dfgas> i'll try again quick here
[07:04] <avis> anyone know how to do a channel list in xchat in intrepid ?  my xchat is missing the channel list drop down option, only other way i know if /list and i prefer not to use that
[07:04] <nekostar> but trust me that doesnt happen often ime
[07:04] <nekostar> avis /names
[07:04] <avis> thank you
[07:05] <nekostar> channel list drop down option?
[07:05] <nekostar> avis misunderstood one sec
[07:05] <nekostar> gholy *** im missing it too
[07:05] <dfgas> wtf
[07:05]  * nekostar groans
[07:05] <dfgas> it worked, heh
[07:05] <avis> :)  i'm not alone
[07:06] <nekostar> dont tell me im gonna have to boycot xchat again...
[07:06] <avis> ok  ty
[07:06] <nekostar> dfgas eh?
[07:06] <nekostar> lol
[07:06] <nekostar> avis gimmeh bit
[07:06] <dfgas> weird
[07:06] <nekostar> i bet its here somewhere
[07:06] <dfgas> its been monthes since it worked on this computer
[07:06] <nekostar> in the mean time go to status window and do: /list #*some word* some other word*
[07:06] <dfgas> i thouhgt the reader was bad till it worked on the mac again
[07:06] <nekostar> dfgas lm-@0
[07:07] <nekostar> dfgas it could be going
[07:07] <nekostar> could be bad cords controller, different usb slot, or just a good mood
[07:07] <nekostar> hehe
[07:07] <dfgas> lol
[07:07] <dfgas> tried different cord, slots
[07:07] <nekostar> kk so lemme find this darn chan switcher thing
[07:07] <dfgas> but it worked perfect on the mac
[07:07] <nekostar> o ive a feeling u did
[07:07] <dfgas> the mac was gone for a while
[07:07] <nekostar> oh one other tidbit
[07:07] <dfgas> just got it bac
[07:08] <dfgas> back
[07:08] <nekostar> usb devices [some] that were working wonderfully till gutsy or so, quite a few broke in hardy. cheap mp3 players, etc.
[07:08] <nekostar> so lets hope intrepid brings something really nice to the table
[07:08] <nekostar> [so far quite impressed]
[07:08] <nekostar> tho the make cd thing is .. a joke
[07:09]  * nekostar sighs
[07:09] <nekostar> maybe i'll mess with some o that..
[07:09] <dfgas> i wish my linksys usb adapter would work in ubuntu with no ndiswrapper
[07:09]  * nekostar sighs some more
[07:09] <nekostar> yawall
[07:09] <dfgas> make cd?
[07:10] <dfgas> k 1 thing that disappoints me about 8.10 so far is no openoffice 3 default
[07:12] <dfgas> otherwise it is looking sweet
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[07:13] <nekostar> for anyone else as blind as i and avis
[07:13] <nekostar> who quit literally seconds before the answer...
[07:13] <nekostar> ~_~
[07:13] <dfgas> gonna try the make usb startup disk in a sec
[07:13] <nekostar> dfgas i'm disappointed ooo is in by default anyway
[07:13] <dfgas> ?
[07:13] <nekostar> dfgas follow the pendrivelinux guide
[07:13] <nekostar> worx flawless
[07:13] <nekostar> what i did was dl a live iso
[07:13] <nekostar> then growisofs it
[07:14] <nekostar> etc etc
[07:14] <nekostar> lemme find
[07:14] <dfgas> whats better than ooo?
[07:14] <nekostar> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/10/15/ubuntu-810-persistent-flash-drive-install-from-live-cd/
[07:14] <nekostar> dfgas nothing. however there are several packages that dont take up so much valuble space.
[07:15] <nekostar> as long as we keep treating these cdrom/floppies like they deserve to exist..
[07:15] <dfgas> true
[07:16] <nekostar> when it really comes down to it, the best thing bout the pdl.com instructions is that its clean, clear and precise, and easy to adapt
[07:16] <nekostar> its very very close to an old 'frugal' install
[07:16] <dfgas> does it allow you to save settings?
[07:16] <nekostar> look at old knoppix / damnsmalllinux stuff
[07:16] <nekostar> dfgas the persistant there? heck yeah
[07:16] <nekostar> tips:
[07:16] <dfgas> hmmmm
[07:17] <nekostar> remember its a livecd - so install what you need, uninstall what you dont
[07:17] <nekostar> perhaps german support is not needed?
[07:17] <nekostar> save space that way
[07:17] <nekostar> before doing installs do uninstalls.
[07:17] <nekostar> unhide everything thats in there
[07:17] <dfgas> hmmm
[07:17] <nekostar> trim trim trim
[07:17] <nekostar> then do apt-get clean
[07:17] <nekostar> then good sources
[07:17] <nekostar> THEN start installing.
[07:17] <nekostar> no updateing.
[07:17] <nekostar> no upgrading.
[07:17] <histo> anyone using conky with double buffer? Desktop is being drawn wierd wondering if i'm just goign crazy
[07:18] <nekostar> just install as needed, only upgrade what breaks to fix it.
[07:18] <nekostar> histo yeah im good over here
[07:18] <histo> nekostar: do you ahve any icons on yoru desktop?
[07:18] <nekostar> Conky: desktop window (12000a8) is subwindow of root window (13b)
[07:18] <nekostar> Conky: window type - override
[07:18] <nekostar> Conky: drawing to created window (0x2a00001)
[07:18] <nekostar> Conky: drawing to double buffer
[07:18] <nekostar> yeah i sure do - did that in terminal to prove for u
[07:18] <nekostar> would you like my .conkyrc? suppports multiple cpu's and has some nice other features ;)
[07:18] <histo> If I put an icon on my desktopit flickers or doesn't show.
[07:18] <[ipc]-michael> finished updating to +1
[07:19] <nekostar> [ipc]-michael swt~
[07:19] <nekostar> histo thats kinda wierd.
[07:19] <[ipc]-michael> alls well expect i get no love from nvidia for my mx440
[07:19] <[ipc]-michael> no desktop effects is going to make me less productive
[07:19] <nekostar> histo in terminal: killall conky; sleep 3; conky
[07:19] <histo> nekostar: like i have my usb thubmdrive mounted so an icon is on the desktop and if I start conky it disappears.
[07:19]  * nekostar pats [ipc]-michael 
[07:19] <[ipc]-michael> unless i can make it switch desktops using teh mouse scroll
[07:19] <nekostar> what resolution monitor?
[07:19] <histo> nekostar: But if I mouse over the area it shows up
[07:20] <nekostar> histo ok lemme play with my config a bit
[07:20] <nekostar> if your registered and identified on freenode do this:
[07:20] <histo> nekostar: I can paste mine I don't think its that wierd.
[07:20] <nekostar> [in a query to me]
[07:20] <histo> nekostar: yeah i'm registered
[07:20] <nekostar> /exec -o ~/.conkyrc|head -n 15
[07:21] <nekostar> i think the kill is at 19 lol
[07:22] <dfgas> hmmmm
[07:23] <nekostar> mmmmh
[07:23] <nekostar> <,<
[07:24] <dfgas> heh
[07:24] <dfgas> think its bed time
[07:28] <[ipc]-michael> anyway to get intrepid to flip desktops using teh mouse scroll wheel without desktop effects?
[07:32] <legend2440> i just now finished clean install of intrepid. problem is none of the windows like xchat or nautilus open up to full screen. i have to drag them open with mouse. and then when i close them and reopen have to drag to full size again. anybody else seen this problem?
[07:32] <nekostar> http://bayimg.com/eAlKIAabj histo thats what it looks like
[07:32] <nekostar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61857/
[07:32] <nekostar> and there's my .conkyrc
[07:32] <nekostar> congrats legend2440
[07:32] <nekostar> legend2440 they dont remember size/position?
[07:33] <nekostar> [ipc]-michael do it right on the pager
[07:33] <nekostar> rolls back and forth real fast
[07:33] <nekostar> ctrl+alt+left/right
[07:33] <nekostar> i think also ctrl+alt+1-x
[07:33] <[ipc]-michael> ill use that
[07:33] <legend2440> nekostar: that is correct they dont remember size or position
[07:33] <[ipc]-michael> thanks
[07:33] <[ipc]-michael> now if i could just get boxee to start
[07:34] <[ipc]-michael> =(
[07:34] <nekostar> tho you might have to set it in Configuration Editor - hidden in system tools - gconf-editor > apps > nautilus
[07:34] <histo> nekostar: yeah problem was own_window Iliek that /exec thats nice
[07:35] <nekostar> yeh
[07:35] <nekostar> and histo if you wanna do custom commands like i did: {exec blah blah}
[07:35] <histo> nekostar: how'd you know my client would do that?
[07:36] <nekostar> histo would do what?
[07:36] <nekostar> legend2440 you could go to kde?
[07:36] <histo> nekostar: use the /exec
[07:36] <nekostar> oh for xchat?
[07:36] <nekostar> yeah thats handy
[07:36] <nekostar> careful tho or youll be grepping for an sh
[07:36] <nekostar> lol
[07:36] <nekostar> like /exec sudo apt-get wtfever is bad
[07:37] <nekostar> hm legend2440 mine seems to remember general positions...
[07:37] <histo> /bin/sh: figlet: not found
[07:37] <histo>  02:37:39 up  1:43,  3 users,  load average: 0.11, 0.21, 0.24
[07:37] <histo> cool.
[07:38] <legend2440> nekostar: yes kde is an option i suppose. but hardy gnome never had this problem
[07:38] <nekostar> hm
[07:38] <nekostar> i think it did actually.
[07:38] <nekostar> try using gcalctool
[07:39] <nekostar> does that remember its position?
[07:39] <nekostar> you can move with either put or mouse or w/e
[07:40] <nekostar> btw i forget who it was but i was playing with the livecd master tools and figured i'd paste the complete output to terminal of the process >___<
[07:41] <nekostar> [assuming that the actual needed packages are installed... this does grab em when needed... gotta kill and rm -r some crap each time sigh]
[07:41] <nekostar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61860/
[07:41] <nekostar> 8600 lines long and change so i'm sure no one waants to see ;_;
[07:41]  * nekostar wanders off
[07:42] <nekostar> sorry legend2440 i dont see anything for that problem right off the bad
[07:42] <nekostar> it's on the wish list tho
[07:42] <nekostar> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/10/15/ubuntu-810-persistent-flash-drive-install-from-live-cd/  <<-- intrepid on usb - worx great
[07:42]  * nekostar goes bed
[07:43] <legend2440> nekostar: me neither i'll keep googling. thanks for trying.
[07:43] <nekostar> no big it's what we do ;)
[07:43] <nekostar> give a holler if you figure it out
[07:43] <nekostar> i'm also starscalling
[07:43] <nekostar> tata~~
[07:46] <knittl> lol… where are there only intrepid-rc DVDs? oO
[07:46] <knittl> * why
[07:48] <[ipc]-michael> interpid is due in 7 days
[07:49] <knittl> so what?
[07:50] <knittl> ok, gotta go anyways. bye
[07:51] <DistroJockey> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/  has CD's not DVD's
[08:10] <lup0> any idea why the graphical network manager in kubuntu 8.10 RC only displays three WLAN networks?
[08:11] <SlimG> knittl: CDs are released on releases.ubuntu.com, DVDs are released on cdimages.ubuntu.com
[08:15] <meff> quick q: how do i use sed to replace multiple words with whitespace? i tried sed -e 's/(blah|other)//'
[08:15] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[08:16] <doktoreas> anyone is experiencing during a the boot process, that it stays a lot on configuring network if the cable is unplugged?
[08:19] <predator363> hey does wine not work well in intrepid yet?
[08:22] <unimatrix9> hi ther
[08:22] <unimatrix9> e
[08:22] <unimatrix9> :)
[08:23] <unimatrix9> i only see dvd iso 's is there an cd iso for intrepid?
[08:24] <unimatrix9> ah , found it on distrowatch
[08:24] <unimatrix9> :)
[08:24] <unimatrix9> thanks
[08:24] <predator363> ello?
[08:31] <andrboot> Hi; i know that ubuntu 8.l10 isn't support but i'd though i'd ask,. i am running a fresh install of ubuntu 8.1064bit.. for some reason my mouse keeps on going skitz in the middle of the screens (dual screen) any ideas?
[08:31] <ethana2> Ok, who should I talk to about window-picker-applet?
[08:32] <ethana2> I need one feature for my desktop to be complete
[08:32] <andrboot> its not the mouse (wifi kb/mousse) as i have tried a different mouse...
[08:33] <DistroJockey> ethana2, something like AWN ?
[08:33] <ethana2> no, canonical's window-picker-applet
[08:34] <ethana2> sudo apt-get install window-picker-applet
[08:34] <ethana2> then add it to your panel
[08:34] <ethana2> you will quickly see that it needs only one thing to be the best panel applet in the history of gnome
[08:34] <ethana2> ..and you will see why i don't have title bars
[08:34] <ethana2> technically i have them, but they contain nothing and the title bar font is set to a size of 0
[08:35] <DistroJockey> ahh, nice
[08:35] <ethana2> goes great with the DarkRoom theme
[08:35] <ethana2> care for a screenshot?
[08:35] <DistroJockey> I just installed and added
[08:35] <DistroJockey> what's it need?
[08:35] <ethana2> minimizing like the window list
[08:35] <ethana2> by clicking on the icon of the currently in focus window
[08:36] <ethana2> that's it
[08:36] <ethana2> it's made for netbooks, I don't think they saw me coming with my deep hatred for title bars
[08:36] <DistroJockey> works here, if I get what you are saying
[08:36] <ethana2> ...but that one tiny feature is the only thing between that and--
[08:36] <ethana2> what?
[08:36] <ethana2> uhh
[08:36] <DistroJockey> ohh, I right clicked
[08:36] <ethana2> so you click on the icon in window-picker-applet for the window you're viewing
[08:36] <ethana2> wait
[08:37] <DistroJockey> and picked Minimize
[08:37] <ethana2> oh.
[08:37] <ethana2> well of course there's that.
[08:37] <ethana2> ..but it's two steps
[08:37] <DistroJockey> but, yeah, just clicking to restore would be cool
[08:37] <ethana2> and some of us don't even have a right clicker
[08:37] <ethana2> ...care for a screen shot?
[08:37] <DistroJockey> very true
[08:37] <DistroJockey> sure, I like pretty pictures ;)
[08:38] <ethana2> k, just a sec
[08:39] <andrboot> ok mouse isn't going skitz now.. but my other issue is.. how do i "enable" my restricted grahpics ati driver if it doesn't download it?
[08:39] <ethana2> http://i35.tinypic.com/inbix2.png
[08:40] <ethana2> DistroJockey: this is called eliminating redundancy.
[08:40] <DistroJockey> nice ethana2
[08:40] <DistroJockey> indeed
[08:40] <ethana2> it would be better to have the window controls on the windows themselve
[08:40] <ethana2> but until i can do that nicely, i'll settle for this
[08:40] <ethana2> ---just need that one feature added to window-picker-applet
[08:40] <DistroJockey> yeah, very cool
[08:41] <ethana2> You know what's great?
[08:41] <ethana2> It's better than the OSX approach
[08:41] <DistroJockey> best not to go there ;)
[08:41] <ethana2> it's better.
[08:41] <visik7> hi
[08:41] <visik7> anyone with compiz+nvidia
[08:41]  * ethana2 raises hand
[08:41] <ethana2> geforce 8400m gs
[08:41] <DistroJockey> visik7, yep
[08:42] <DistroJockey> 8600pro and NVS285 quatro
[08:43] <DistroJockey> home and work^ that is :)
[08:44] <visik7> DistroJockey: and do you get glitches on window borders
[08:45] <DistroJockey> visik7, I do on the quatro but not on the 8600
[08:46] <DistroJockey> visik7, using version 177 of the restrited drivers on both I believe
[08:46] <visik7> me too
[08:46] <DistroJockey> what card?
[08:47] <DistroJockey> or chip
[08:47] <visik7> 7400
[08:47] <DistroJockey> hmm, not familiar with that one
[08:48] <DistroJockey> ahh, geforce go?
[08:48] <visik7> yes lapyop
[08:48] <DistroJockey> laptop
[08:48] <visik7> laptop
[08:48] <DistroJockey> :)
[08:49] <DistroJockey> hopefully Nvidia will fix it in coming releases, but be prepared to wait a while possibly
[08:49] <DistroJockey> one thing you could try is using a different theme
[08:50] <DistroJockey> might reduce the issues
[08:53] <ethana2> holy crap
[08:53] <ethana2> it waits for the applets to load
[08:53] <ethana2> and then slides down!
[08:53] <ethana2> SO ELEGANT!
[08:53] <DistroJockey> nice :)
[08:53] <ethana2> ok, got facebook chat working in pidgin..
[08:54] <ethana2> I was very underwhelmed by alpha 5, but now that I see the rc
[08:54] <ethana2> I declare Ibex an EPIC WIN
[08:55] <visik7> DistroJockey: infact it's a theme problem
[08:55] <DistroJockey> yeah, the alpha's weren't there but the beta was good
[08:55] <ethana2> even the beta
[08:55] <DistroJockey> visik7, yeah, it's a bit of both I think
[08:55] <visik7> DistroJockey: and moreover it was fixed on 8.04 but with this new release it come up again
[08:56] <andrboot> h mmm
[08:56] <andrboot> silly ati
[08:56] <DistroJockey> ethana2, yeah, beta with a few patches was better :)
[08:56] <ethana2> i'm not going to be able to go back to my stable install
[08:57] <ethana2> ..but i'll have to for class
[08:57] <ethana2> that's where i store all my audio files that i record while lectures go on
[08:57] <DistroJockey> they certainly fixed most of it up very quickly *applauds*
[08:57] <ethana2> and all the notes i type and so on
[08:57] <ethana2> man, that fast boot time
[08:57] <ethana2> i still can't get over how fast that was
[08:57] <DistroJockey> can't you just access the data from either/both?
[08:58] <ethana2> yeah, but i don't have it all bookmarked over here
[08:58] <ethana2> plus i don't want to risk encountering a bug as i'm in class
[08:58] <DistroJockey> no, that's not a good look :)
[08:58] <ethana2> ...because i'm advertising ubuntu and dell every second i sit there
[08:59] <DistroJockey> you have your /home on a separate drive/partition I hope
[08:59] <ethana2> i have two /home
[08:59] <ethana2> I have two full installs, one LTS, one 8.10
[09:00] <DistroJockey> I have 4 installs with a shared /home partition, but with different usernames for each install
[09:01] <DistroJockey> theoretically I could copy one username over the other to get the same/similar setup (not that I would)
[09:01] <ethana2> i keep things completely consistent
[09:02] <DistroJockey> it should be possible to have the same username on both installs using the same /home/username
[09:03] <DistroJockey> but it's probably not recommended
[09:03] <ethana2> different versions of apps...
[09:03] <ethana2> probably not
[09:03] <DistroJockey> yep, that's it exactly
[09:04] <DistroJockey> and not really same username, the same UID
[09:04] <ethana2> ...i wish human didn't have hideous title bars
[09:04] <ethana2> that's the only reason I don't use it now
[09:04] <ethana2> the whole window should be one color
[09:05] <ethana2> seamless
[09:05] <ethana2> ..window focus should be indicated by the background color of the window
[09:05] <DistroJockey> you mean that orange stripe along the top?
[09:05] <ethana2> yeah
[09:05] <ethana2> Maybe it'd be cool if it like, faded to orange
[09:06] <ethana2> but just a LINE and a big orange chunk of text and icons?
[09:06] <ethana2> fail
[09:06] <DistroJockey> not good on a dual monitor setup or with 2 windows that you are looking at though
[09:06] <ethana2> what?
[09:07] <DistroJockey> I wouldn't want the window background changing if I am looking at 2 windows at the same time
[09:07] <DistroJockey> and as only one can have focus...
[09:07] <ethana2> just subtley
[09:08] <ethana2> maybe by like 10%
[09:08] <DistroJockey> might be an idea for a compiz plugin
[09:08] <ethana2> it's deeper than that
[09:08] <ethana2> i considered using only compiz
[09:08] <ethana2> but if you're trying to look at two things
[09:08] <ethana2> you don't want the content to be altered
[09:09] <ethana2> especially for graphical comparisons
[09:09] <DistroJockey> exactly
[09:09] <ethana2> ..so just the window backgrounds
[09:09] <ethana2> which is probably some gtk theme hack
[09:09] <DistroJockey> can't really do that I don't think
[09:10] <ethana2> if you can set it translucent
[09:10] <DistroJockey> backgrounds aren't backgrounds
[09:10] <ethana2> you can change--
[09:10] <ethana2> what?
[09:10] <DistroJockey> well, web pages have a background color coded in the html
[09:11] <ethana2> ..and windows have backgrounds handled by the theme and theme engine
[09:11] <DistroJockey> xchat has a background color that isn't
[09:11] <ethana2> ..i must admit wiring the theme engine into the window manager probably comes off as a bit odd
[09:12] <DistroJockey> well, they are fairly closly linked
[09:13] <DistroJockey> I may not be fully understanding what you mean by background.
[09:14] <ethana2> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/12/12/gnome-theme-engine-designer-adds-transparency-to-gtk
[09:15] <ethana2> the stuff that's translucent there
[09:15] <DistroJockey> But I must say, 8.10 so far is what 8.04 LTS should have been (or rather 8.10 should be the LTS)
[09:15] <wgrant> Every release is better than the last.
[09:15] <ethana2> yes
[09:15] <DistroJockey> agreed
[09:16] <wgrant> But Intrepid will release with quite a number of unfortunate quirks that we haven't had time to resolve.
[09:16] <ethana2> oh?
[09:16] <ethana2> Is there going to be an 8.10.1 CD?
[09:16] <wgrant> Particularly input device related. Those are the ones that I know of (because I did lots of it).
[09:16] <ethana2> ...or do they only do that for LTS releases?
[09:17] <wgrant> No.
[09:17] <ethana2> drat
[09:17] <wgrant> We only do point-releases for LTS releases.
[09:17] <ethana2> ....because that's a really good idea
[09:17] <DistroJockey> I like that the Connect to Server for Windows shares actually works with 8.10 where it didn't work so well with 8.04.1
[09:17] <ethana2> yes.
[09:17] <ethana2> i look forward to that.
[09:17] <AstralJava> wgrant: It's not that obvious for everyone. For instance, due to sound problems introduced by adding PA in Hardy, I didn't dare to upgrade my wife's laptop from Gutsy at all. Not sure I can do that for Intrepid either.
[09:17] <ethana2> I purged PA from my hardy install
[09:17] <AstralJava> wgrant: I'm just saying "better" is subjective. :)
[09:18] <ethana2> ironically, I had added it to my gutsy install months earlier
[09:18] <ethana2> 8.10 may be the first release where I don't screw with the sound system
[09:18] <wgrant> AstralJava: You could always report bugs.
[09:18] <ethana2> 'Skype is broke'
[09:18] <wgrant> Skype isn't our problem, I'm afraid.
[09:18] <ethana2> ....exactly
[09:18] <ethana2> but as an end user, i need it
[09:18] <DistroJockey> well said
[09:18] <ethana2> so out went PA
[09:19] <AstralJava> wgrant: I have, and I've been a part of the process for some time. But there is a time a space when you don't want extra hassle, and just reside in the exerpt of the continuum that isn't _as_ broken, in just a few, isolated areas.
[09:19] <ethana2> and it's not that I dislike PA, I'm one of the few that have seen what it can do
[09:19] <ethana2> I've used it on a dual seat system to split the sound card between users; as an intercom system; various things like that
[09:19] <AstralJava> wgrant: It isn't, but it's one of the issues that make "better" be subjective. :)
[09:20] <ethana2> I look forward to it being more mature this release
[09:21]  * wgrant waits for the torrent of complaints about OMGLOLZ MY TOUCHPAD IS B0RKEN!!1!
[09:21] <ethana2> actually, it's spaz in 8.04
[09:21] <DistroJockey> xorg issue wgrant?
[09:21] <ethana2> ....not giving me any trouble so far in 8.10
[09:21] <AstralJava> Heheh. There's a flood of something every release date + 20 days, or something.
[09:22] <wgrant> ethana2: Good, I thought I fixed most things.
[09:22] <wgrant> But people tend to complain when I break their old configurations.
[09:22] <NET||abuse> anyone able to connect to an iphone 3g with anything? I think ipod-convenience is one lib that's intended for it?
[09:22] <wgrant> But there was no choice here...
[09:22] <DistroJockey> wgrant, I never upgrade, so I don't have that problem :)
[09:23] <wgrant> DistroJockey: Why not?
[09:24] <DistroJockey> wgrant, too many variables to upgrade a system
[09:24] <ethana2> i agree
[09:24] <wgrant> Always works fine for me.
[09:24] <DistroJockey> and to be sure it's going to be ok
[09:24] <NET||abuse> I guess ipod question isn't really ibex related.
[09:24] <ethana2> plus i wouldn't remember what workarounds are safe to remove
[09:24] <wgrant> And I've upgraded dozens of systems, some of them through every release.
[09:24] <NET||abuse> i'll check in #ubuntu
[09:25] <DistroJockey> wgrant, Ubuntu is better than most due to the testing, but I always install a nice fresh clean major version of any OS
[09:26] <DistroJockey> also a good incentive to do a backup ;)
[09:27] <tapas> yay i upgradeda
[09:27] <tapas> and now sound stopped working in flash
[09:27] <DistroJockey> congrats and bummer
[09:27] <wgrant> tapas: Remove libflashsupport if it's installed, and install it if it isn't.
[09:28] <scobby> hi people
[09:28]  * wgrant hides.
[09:28] <scobby> i cant send files with my handy to ubuntu using bluetooth. i even cant find the laptop
[09:28] <tapas> E: Package libflashsupport has no installation candidate
[09:28] <scobby> other way works
[09:29] <wgrant> tapas: Hmm, it seems it's gone now.. are you using PulseAudio, or did you remove it back in Hardy?
[09:30] <tapas> wgrant: i turned all sound things in gnome off.. let's see whether it's still installed
[09:30] <tapas> seems to be installed
[09:31] <tapas> it's running , too
[09:31]  * wgrant has no idea what is going through Flash's proprietary black-box mind.
[09:31] <tapas> yeah :)
[09:32] <tapas> mayve i simply have too many soundcards in my system
[09:32] <tapas> interesting: when i type alsamixer i get to control pulseaudio..
[09:32] <tapas> i guess that could be part of it
[09:32] <tapas> with -c 0 i get to my emu live though
[09:32] <wgrant> That's normal.
[09:32] <wgrant> The default ALSA device is now PulseAudio, so ALSA-using apps use PA instead.
[09:33] <tapas> ok
[09:33] <DistroJockey> is pavucontrol worth installing and taking a look at tapas and wgrant?
[09:33] <tapas> mpg123 [which uses alsa] also only produces silence
[09:33] <ethana2> it can do some very nifty things
[09:33]  * ethana2 goes to bed
[09:33] <tapas> amarok which i have told to use a certain device produces sound.
[09:33] <tapas> so i guess pulseaudio is the culprit
[09:34] <wgrant> DistroJockey: pavucontrol is nice.
[09:34] <tapas> will follow ethana2's advice
[09:34] <wgrant> GNOME 2.26 will hopefully have something similar.
[09:34] <DistroJockey> I'd look at that, yeah
[09:34] <tapas> soundservers are supposed to make life easier
[09:34] <tapas> every single one i tried fucked up
[09:34] <tapas> except jackd ;)
[09:34] <wgrant> tapas: Sometimes we have to break things a bit for a little while to make things much better in the end.
[09:35] <tapas> the sound server horror is going on for 10 years+ now :)
[09:35] <wgrant> PA doesn't utterly suck, however.
[09:35] <wgrant> ESD did.
[09:35] <tapas> first thing i always do is disable them..
[09:35] <wgrant> PA works excellently for me in Intrepid.
[09:35] <tapas> hey ESD didn't break my alsa apps ;D
[09:35] <DistroJockey> wgrant, yeah, that's another reason why I think 8.10 should be the LTS rather than 8.04 :)
[09:36] <tapas> well, i guess i am just unlucky
[09:36] <wgrant> DistroJockey: I believe that moving to PA in Hardy was a mistake, but other more relevant devs probably knew better than me.
[09:36] <DistroJockey> wgrant, I agree with you
[09:37] <DistroJockey> wgrant, it's good, but wasn't good for an LTS
[09:37] <tapas> ok, how to disable pulseaudio?
[09:38] <DistroJockey> tapas, did you install and try pavucontrol?
[09:38] <tapas> pavucontrol just tells me it uses the wrong device
[09:38] <tapas> i could try to foddle with it
[09:38] <tapas> but i rather have it just disabled
[09:38] <DistroJockey> check the link down near the bottom (a hint I believe?
[09:39] <tapas> what are you talking about?
[09:40] <tapas> pavucontrol has no "links"
[09:40] <DistroJockey> I seem to remember there is a hint banner at the bottom of pavucontrol
[09:40] <DistroJockey> could be wrong though
[09:40] <tapas> if it was there, it's gone now
[09:40] <tapas> the sound preferences don't offer "enable soundserver [ ]" anymore
[09:40] <tapas> ;)
[09:40] <rww> Wow, Intrepid's support for my ATI card got ridiculously better somewhere between Alpha and RC. I've gone from having trouble getting it to work *at all* to having full 3D support :D
[09:41] <DistroJockey> tapas, using  sysvconfig  you can disable pulseaudio
[09:41] <tapas> DistroJockey: ok, thanks
[09:41] <tapas> ah, it gets started by an init script
[09:42] <wgrant> No, it doesn't.
[09:42] <wgrant> It's started by part of GNOME.
[09:42] <tapas> $ ls /etc/rc2.d/S*pulse*
[09:42] <tapas> /etc/rc2.d/S25pulseaudio
[09:42] <tapas> hmm
[09:42] <DistroJockey> it's listed in sysvconfig as something you can enable or disable
[09:43] <wgrant> Check /etc/default/pulseaudio
[09:43] <tapas> ok
[09:44] <tapas> ah hell, i'll just set the default pcm and ctl devices in .asoundrc
[09:44] <tapas> that should help, too
[09:44] <wgrant> Maybe remove them and your Pulse config and see how things work.
[09:45] <wgrant> The defaults seem to work well.
[09:45] <BUGabundo_work> hi wgrant
[09:45] <BUGabundo_work> finally had the change to check out .gvfs and rsync
[09:45] <BUGabundo_work> and it works as expected
[09:45] <BUGabundo_work> thanks for the tip
[09:45] <wgrant> Excellent.
[09:45] <wgrant> That's one place where GVFS obviously excels over GNOME-VFS
[09:46] <tapas> wgrant: i have a multi card setup and i need my .asoundrc (i also have specially crafted pcm devices for compressed audio playback to e.g. reduce dynamic range of movies]
[09:46] <tapas> wgrant: thanks for your infos though
[09:46] <tapas> need to run to uni now... will look into it tonight again
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> now to find leann and nag him about  #17555 and bug 288617
[09:49] <wgrant> That is the second most useless bug summary I've seen in a while.
[09:49] <joaopinto> anyone had issues with the sound input not working ?
[09:49] <joaopinto> I hate hw related problems :P
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> what is wgrant?
[09:50] <wgrant> "suspend to ram"
[09:50] <RAOF> Hm.  What's the worst?
[09:50] <wgrant> There was one a while ago which got ubottu flooded off...
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> humm ok... I can change it to suspend to ram fails while hibernation works
[09:50] <wgrant> And then there are tdflanders' drunken ones.
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> is that better?
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> I just typed that to do a search for similar bugs, and ended up not changing the subject
[09:51] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: perhaps an indication of hardware, if it fits. I would put "Dell Inspiron 630m", for example.
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> white brand
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> ASI/asustek S37S
[09:51] <wgrant> Chipset, arch, maybe.
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[09:51] <wgrant> Motherboard, whatever.
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> some lshe attached then?
[09:52] <BUGabundo_work> lshw
[09:52] <BUGabundo_work> that's what I want... is to know what devs need to know
[09:52] <wgrant> Why do you have uswsusp?
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> humm because its faster and has a count down while working??
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> in another words: its preaty
[09:53] <RAOF> And doesn't work :)
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> do you want me to remove it and test again?
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> NOW it works RAOF
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> it got fixed
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> I'm on that bug too
[09:54] <wgrant> Wasn't s2ram removed from our uswsusp packages a while back?
[09:54] <RAOF> Yes.
[09:54] <wgrant>   * Don't build s2ram. It's not sensible on Ubuntu.
[09:54] <wgrant> Wow. Quite a while back.;
[09:55] <BUGabundo_work> I think bug 267141
[09:55] <joaopinto> can anyone help me with bug 288356 ?
[09:55] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: I think not. That has been fixed.
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> but I had it working up until last two weeks
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> I know it has
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> that's why I reinstaled usw back then
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> and it worked again
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> but now suspend to ram aint working
[09:56] <wgrant> If that bug has been fixed, you clearly don't have that bug.
[09:56] <wgrant> Remove uswsusp.
[09:57] <BUGabundo_work> will do
[09:57]  * BUGabundo_work purging now
[09:58] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: do I need to reboot?
[09:58] <wgrant> Probably.
[09:59] <wgrant> To remove its polluting icy-cold grasp from your poor kernel.
[09:59]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting laptop
[10:01] <DistroJockey> joaopinto, this may be off target, but if you run  alsamixer  and hit F5 to check for input/capture devices that are at 0 or muted
[10:02] <BUGabundo_work> bah wgrant
[10:02] <joaopinto> DistroJockey, nope :\, capture device is not mutted
[10:02] <BUGabundo_work> now I can't even see hibernate on FUSA
[10:03] <BUGabundo_work> its even worse now
[10:03] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: Is gnome-power-manager running appropriately?
[10:03] <BUGabundo_work> how can I check?
[10:03] <wgrant> ps aux | grep gnome-power-manager
[10:03] <joaopinto> hum, alsamixer shows "pulseaudio" device, how do I know what device it is referring to ? I have the internal device, audio card, and the video HDMI sound output
[10:04] <DistroJockey> joaopinto, only other suggestion that might be usefull is to install  pavucontrol  and see if you can do anything with it
[10:04] <wgrant> joaopinto: pavucontrol or padevchooser might help.
[10:04] <BUGabundo> 1000      9008  0.1  0.3 250096 14540 ?        Ss   10:01   0:00 gnome-power-manager
[10:04] <BUGabundo> 1000     10494  0.0  0.2 205028 10000 ?        S    10:01   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-power-manager/gnome-inhibit-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_InhibitApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=50
[10:04] <BUGabundo> 1000     10499  0.0  0.3 216968 13348 ?        S    10:01   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-power-manager/gnome-brightness-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_BrightnessApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=62
[10:04] <BUGabundo> 1000     12270  0.0  0.0  10260  1328 ?        S    10:04   0:00 /bin/bash -c ps auwx | grep gnome-power-manager
[10:04] <BUGabundo> 1000     12272  0.0  0.0   7452   896 ?        R    10:04   0:00 grep gnome-power-manager
[10:04] <BUGabundo_work> is it running ok?
[10:04] <wgrant> Looks like it.
[10:04] <wgrant> File a bug.
[10:04] <BUGabundo_work> I did
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> you said it wasn't clear enouht
[10:05] <wgrant> Or check the RC CD and see if it happens there.
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> adding new data
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> I can I test suspend from live cd/pen?
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> it always fails!
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> always did
[10:05] <joaopinto> erm, pavucontrols is showing my input device muted !
[10:05] <wgrant> jabagawee: That could do it.
[10:06] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: You can use System->Administration->Create a USB startup disk.
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> I know
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> I use it
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> I have to pendrives running ubuntu
[10:06] <wgrant> Oh.
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> one for dailys and one for ubuntu-mobile
[10:06] <wgrant> I misread.
[10:06] <DistroJockey> wgrant, I tried that earlier from a Desktop CD, it failed to find the linux image
[10:06] <wgrant> Suspend works for me on live CDs.
[10:06] <wgrant> Hibernate doesn't.
[10:06] <joaopinto> well, gnome audio recorder is totally insane, it reports 46 minutes, for 6 seconds of real record time
[10:06] <wgrant> For obvious reasons.
[10:07] <wgrant> joaopinto: That is one of the less loved parts of GNOME :(
[10:08] <BUGabundo_work> does it?
[10:08] <BUGabundo_work> never manage to get it working on any PC I tried
[10:08] <BUGabundo_work> should I file against any other package besides kernel?
[10:08] <joaopinto> well, gnome audio recorder still does not work
[10:08] <joaopinto> let me try skype
[10:08] <BUGabundo_work> usw, GPM, ?
[10:08] <wgrant> It could be g-p-m.
[10:08] <wgrant> I'm not entirely sure.
[10:09] <wgrant> It could be FUSA.
[10:09] <BUGabundo_work> let its devs decide then
[10:09] <wgrant> Does it show up in System->Shut Down?
[10:09] <BUGabundo_work> what does? hibernate? no.
[10:09] <wgrant> I mean Suspend.
[10:09] <BUGabundo_work> it doesn't
[10:09] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[10:10] <BUGabundo_work> as I said it disapeard from my system around 2 weeks ago
[10:10] <BUGabundo_work> and now all did hibernate
[10:10] <BUGabundo_work> by removing usw
[10:10] <BUGabundo_work> what's the fusa package?
[10:10] <wgrant> Removing what?
[10:11] <BUGabundo_work> founf it
[10:11] <wgrant> You do actually have to say what you removed...
[10:11] <wgrant> Just saying "I removed something" isn't entirely useful.
[10:11] <BUGabundo> uswsusp
[10:11] <joaopinto> any recommended tool to test audio input ? I want to keep skype out of the equation for now
[10:11] <wgrant> Ohhh, so not "usw."
[10:11] <BUGabundo> I said it.. several times
[10:11] <BUGabundo> ohh its short hand...
[10:11] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: usw is German.
[10:11] <BUGabundo> I though you would get it
[10:12] <BUGabundo> is it?
[10:12] <BUGabundo> I'm Portuguese as is joaopinto
[10:12] <wgrant> But the rest of the dev community is not.
[10:12] <wgrant> We see a lot of strange languageisms.
[10:12] <BUGabundo_work> sorry
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> since I already mention it before
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> I thought you would figure it out
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> are we clear on that point now?
[10:13] <wgrant> jabagawee: parec, perhaps.
[10:13] <wgrant> We are.
[10:13] <wgrant> Gah.
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> thanks
[10:13] <wgrant> joaopinto: ^^
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> any more tips?
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> will rsync the dailie
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> burn it to the pen
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> and reboot
[10:13] <wgrant> Try the RC, I guess.
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> to check it out
[10:13] <joaopinto> wgrant, that was a suggestion :P ?
[10:14] <BUGabundo_work> rc is daily right?
[10:14] <wgrant> joaopinto: Yes, try parec.
[10:14] <joaopinto> ah, that is an app name, sorry
[10:14] <BUGabundo_work> !rc
[10:14] <BUGabundo_work> that needs updating too... lol
[10:14] <DistroJockey> RC was released earlier today, it's not the daily
[10:14] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: The RC should be approximately the latest daily, but you'll be able to get it much faster than the dailies by torrenting.
[10:14] <joaopinto> No manual entry for parec
[10:14] <wgrant> Wow. That's old.
[10:14] <wgrant> joaopinto: parec --help
[10:14] <joaopinto> oh, not unix friendly :P
[10:15] <wgrant> Indeed.
[10:15] <wgrant> I wonder who let that in without a manpage...
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> I see so many packages without man
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> some even without --help
[10:15] <joaopinto> erm, I am supposed to redirect to output to a file ?
[10:16] <joaopinto> I just get garbage on stdout
[10:16] <BUGabundo_work> I have yesterday iso wgrant. I rsync almost every day or every 2 days
[10:17] <joaopinto> erm, bbl work :\
[10:17]  * BUGabundo_work compares date/time on rc and daily! something is fishy
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/rc/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ are diff
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> rc is newer
[10:17] <DistroJockey> that is odd
[10:18] <wgrant> I think the RC is 20081022
[10:18] <wgrant> Check MD5SUMS.
[10:18] <BUGabundo_work> idaily 22-Oct-2008 09:33
[10:18] <BUGabundo_work> rc 22-Oct-2008 12:56
[10:18]  * BUGabundo_work checkinh md5
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> 936a6259d41ecd158155ab3ec1c2ff03 *ubuntu-8.10-rc-dvd-amd64.iso
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> ce11351e4d92b5b877a3c938fc0b8e11 *intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:19]  * BUGabundo_work test fail
[10:19] <wgrant> DVD vs. desktop CD.
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> duh
[10:19]  * BUGabundo_work visits release.u.c
[10:20]  * BUGabundo_work for once FF awseome bar FAILS
[10:20] <BUGabundo_work> releases.ubuntu.com is slowwwwwwww
[10:20] <BUGabundo_work> ce11351e4d92b5b877a3c938fc0b8e11 *ubuntu-8.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:21] <BUGabundo_work> checks out
[10:21]  * BUGabundo rsyncing iso just to be sure and checking MD5 on previous iso
[10:22]  * wgrant advises people to use torrents.
[10:22] <DistroJockey> My ISP has it mirrored. Free download/no quota used :)
[10:23] <wgrant> My ISP has it mirrored, but it still uses quota.
[10:23]  * wgrant shoots .au
[10:23] <DistroJockey> that sux :(
[10:23] <zec1> I can't seem to get my broadcom wireless running in intrepid livemode. Shouldn't it be possible to get it running with ndiswrapper, without rebooting (which would make little sense in livemode)?
[10:24]  * wgrant disappears to test the Dark Side.
[10:24] <wgrant> (ie. KDE 4.1)
[10:25] <zec1> I did the usual routine, ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf (worked ok), ndiswrapper -m, modprobe ndiswrapper.
[10:35]  * BUGabundo Matched data: 697.71M bytes
[10:41]  * BUGabundo reboots to test RC suspend wgrant
[10:45] <wgrant> Hmm, KDE 4.1 isn't too bad.
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: humm big prob here!
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> can't seem to boot of pendrive!
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> it just stays there
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> blinking....
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> second time I get this
[10:46] <wgrant> Could be a strange pendrive.
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> 1st was on Monday daily on another laptop
[10:46] <wgrant> Some of them aren't likable.
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> it has worked many times before
[10:47] <BUGabundo_work> its a kingston
[10:47] <kiji> will intrepid upgrade to gnome 2.24.1?
[10:47] <BUGabundo_work> I have another here
[10:47] <wgrant> kiji: I believe so.
[10:47] <BUGabundo_work> I'll burn it to and make sure its hw or sw
[10:47] <wgrant> kiji: We already have a fair bit of it.
[10:51] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: 2nd pen burned
[10:51] <BUGabundo_work> rebooting to test it
[10:51] <wgrant> Great.
[10:54] <legend2440> could someone paste the results of   sudo blkid   and   gedit /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume so i can figure which uuid i should have in the  resume file?
[10:54] <legend2440> !paste
[10:56] <BUGabundo_work> legend2440: isn't each UUID unique?
[10:56] <SchneeSchwarz> legend2440: why do you think someone else's UUID will be of any value to you?
[10:57] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: 2nd pen works! humm could it be OVERusage of my 8GiB pendrive?
[10:57] <BUGabundo_work> could a DD zero help ?
[10:57] <wgrant> Possibly.
[10:57] <wgrant> Not entirely sure.
[10:58] <BUGabundo_work> humm warranty?
[10:58] <BUGabundo_work> uhhh initramfs
[10:58] <BUGabundo_work> how nice
[10:58] <BUGabundo_work> now what ?
[10:58] <legend2440> i dont i just need to know which uuid in   sudo blkid matches the uuid in the resume file  for instance if the uuid in resume matches yor swap uuid i will enter my swap uuid in my resume file
[10:58] <BUGabundo_work> are there any logs I can save ?
[10:59] <BUGabundo_work> resume files usually use swap
[10:59] <BUGabundo_work> why don't you test that one?
[10:59] <BUGabundo_work> legend2440: ls /dev/disk-by-uuid
[10:59] <BUGabundo_work> actually
[10:59] <BUGabundo_work> legend2440: ls /dev/disk-by-uuid -la
[10:59] <legend2440> ok yhanks
[10:59] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: At which stage did you get the initramfs?
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: I'm going to #ubuntu-testing
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> more appropriated
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> squashfs
[11:01] <can-o-worms> I'm doing an install now with the 8.10 disk and it doesn't give me an option to do a guided dual boot install in the partitioning step. Can anyone tell me why?
[11:02] <fridley> evening... currently in the process of upgrading ubuntu to version 8.10 and all packages have been downloaded, but during the installing the upgrades section it has stopped on "Setting up wvdial (160.1+nmu2)..." Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated
[11:02] <DistroJockey> can-o-worms, which cd? desktop/alternate?
[11:03] <can-o-worms> DistroJockey: from the cd, but I chose the option to boot into the Desktop test thing
[11:03] <nastas> no wireless extension after update. i'm running 8.10 any idea?
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: DistroJockey: #you-testing is to quite... no help there
[11:04] <DistroJockey> can-o-worms, which CD?
[11:04] <can-o-worms> DistroJockey: 8.10? or are there a few different ones?
[11:05] <BUGabundo_work> not version, can-o-worms
[11:05] <DistroJockey> can-o-worms, there are many iso's for 8.10
[11:05] <can-o-worms> DistroJockey: ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[11:05] <BUGabundo_work> he wants to know if it is DVD, or cd alternate, or cd Live Desktop
[11:05] <BUGabundo_work> that's no 8.10
[11:05] <can-o-worms> whoops
[11:06] <DistroJockey> that's Hardy lice cd
[11:06] <DistroJockey> live^
[11:06] <BUGabundo_work> then you need to visit #ubuntu-users!
[11:06] <can-o-worms> well, do you know why it doesn't give me the guided option?
[11:06] <BUGabundo_work> this # is for ubuntu+1, aka intrepid
[11:07] <DistroJockey>  #ubuntu-users ?
[11:07] <can-o-worms> ok, thanks guys
[11:07] <BUGabundo_work> DistroJockey: any way to log my initramfs ?
[11:07] <DistroJockey>  #ubuntu is the main one
[11:08] <DistroJockey> no idea sorry BUGabundo_work
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> bah
[11:09] <DistroJockey> dmesg is the closest thing I can think of BUGabundo_work
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> noone on #you-testing either
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> this is very bad
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> but it aint on /var
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> this is a simple shell
[11:10] <DistroJockey> what is #you-testing anyway?
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> I'll try google when I get bck
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> noone on #ubuntu-testing
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> pidgin autocomplete has this bugs...
[11:10] <DistroJockey> maybe because they are not official type channels?
[11:13] <fridley> have others had issues with upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10? While there are no error messages, the terminal reads "Setting up wvdial (1.60.1+nmu2)" it is not moving
[11:14] <fridley> should I download a live cd and try again at reboot, or it this still save worthy?
[11:14] <DistroJockey> do you use dialup?
[11:14] <andrboot> fridley i upgradfed had a world of problems nuked and clean installed
[11:15] <fridley> DistroJockey, if that was to me, no, 14MB/s
[11:15] <DistroJockey> clean istall is the way I go and recommend
[11:15] <fridley> bugger eh
[11:15] <fridley> fair enough
[11:15] <DistroJockey> fridley, you could try removing wvdial then and then upgrading
[11:16] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo_work: #ubuntu-testing has 40 people on it...
[11:16] <fridley> in that case shoul I just clos dow e terinal winow ad reboot, or reopen and remove wvdial?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> (and is an official channel)
[11:16] <fridley> looks like it is doing great things to my keyboard an mouse just for fun....
[11:17] <DistroJockey> k, joined :)
[11:19] <fridley> just to update, I hit ctrl+c to cancel the faulty wvdial and will try to install just it
[11:19] <DistroJockey> fridley, as far as I know, wvdial is for PPP dialup. If you don't use that then, yeah
[11:21] <fridley> doing a partial upgrade now
[11:21] <Welshman> !ati
[11:22] <BUGabundo_work> Hobbsee: I'm there and got no answer yet
[11:22] <Welshman> what is 8.10 about if there are no good 3d drivers for xorg 7.4?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_work> Welshman: well NVidia makes compyz delays
[11:23] <Welshman> ati here
[11:23] <BUGabundo_work> and AMD/Ati there are none... so its quite a bad position
[11:23] <Welshman> hardy is great
[11:24] <DistroJockey> Welshman, better SMB support is a big +
[11:24] <Welshman> any news on ati and xorg 7.4?
[11:24] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work, Welshman: We've had a working fglrx for a couple of weeks now...
[11:24] <Welshman> nothing on the site
[11:24] <wgrant> And Intel drivers work fine.
[11:24] <wgrant> And radeon works fine.
[11:24] <wgrant> And nvidia works fine, except for 71 and 96.
[11:25] <Welshman> fglrx for hd 2400 no!
[11:25] <Welshman> not for Ibex
[11:25] <wgrant> That failed to parse.
[11:25] <Welshman> wont let me install
[11:26] <wgrant> That's not a very useful explanation of the problem.
[11:26] <RAOF> Welshman: fglrx _should_ work for Intrepid now.  As long as you get our packages.
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> Hobbsee: aren't you on testing today?
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: none to talk to on testing... bah
[11:26] <Welshman> I choose but it says that it will not be installed
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> we must fix this
[11:26] <Welshman> indeed
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> not being able to boot from pendrive is very bad...
[11:27] <Welshman> ok, will try a fresh install
[11:27] <RAOF> Welshman: "I choose" - you choose what, and where? "but it says" what is 'it'?
[11:27] <Welshman> this was about 2 weeks ago
[11:28] <Welshman> I will try a fresh install
[11:28] <wgrant> Oh.
[11:28] <Welshman> I am back in hardy now
[11:28] <wgrant> That was ages ago.
[11:28] <Welshman> ok
[11:28] <Welshman> thanks
[11:28] <RAOF> Oh, right.  Yes, the new fglrx was quite recent, certainly more recent that 2 weeks ago :)
[11:28] <RAOF> s/that/than/
[11:28] <wgrant> Not much more recent than that.
[11:28] <Welshman> yeah sorry got pissed off waiting
[11:28] <Welshman> not that I use 3d much
[11:29] <Welshman> just like to know it works if I have it :)
[11:29] <Welshman> getting the iso now
[11:30] <wgrant> Ah, 9 days.
[11:30] <wgrant> Time flies when you're close to release...
[11:30] <Welshman> it was 10 daysa week ago :)
[11:34] <KaiserClaudius> hello
[11:35] <KaiserClaudius> i currently see strange things on my fresh intrepid installation
[11:35] <Welshman> btw, update the info on video cards then
[11:35] <Welshman> !ati
[11:35] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo_work: sorry?
[11:35] <Welshman> not true that if fglrx works now
[11:35] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo_work: oh, no,i'm not at themoment.
[11:35] <KaiserClaudius> there is a strange delay when I log in to gnome
[11:35] <wgrant> Welshman: "may not be" is still true. But it could be updated.
[11:36] <Welshman> ok
[11:36] <KaiserClaudius> especially when I already was logged in before and I log in again
[11:37] <KaiserClaudius> there is time period for at least 5 sec. where the system does apparently nothing, also the mouse cursor is not in the "waiting state"
[11:37] <KaiserClaudius> and it only happens with compiz enabled
[11:37] <KaiserClaudius> has someone else also seen this?
[11:38] <Welshman> aww
[11:38] <Welshman> for a server
[11:38] <Welshman> crap desktop
[11:39] <Welshman> Debian dont know anything about GUI :)
[11:39] <Welshman> too specialist and purist
[11:39] <technopagan1> I just read that it is possible to encrypt a complete home-directory with Intrepid's server-edition, but not with the Desktop-Edition. What packages do I need to get this functionality on the Desktop-Edition?
[11:40] <Welshman> might not be available
[11:41] <technopagan1> Welshman: Availability is just a matter of which repositories to add, I hope.
[11:42] <Welshman> might be more to it than that
[11:44] <wgrant> Let me dig up the command...
[11:45] <wgrant> ecryptfs-setup-private
[11:45] <wgrant> It should work in the default 8.10 RC installation
[11:45] <wgrant> technopagan1: ^^
[11:46] <wgrant> Also, it's not complete home directory encryption.
[11:46] <wgrant> Just ~/Private.
[11:46] <technopagan1> wgrant: Isn't that for the ~/Private folder in my home-directory?
[11:46] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:47] <wgrant> That's what Ubuntu 8.10 Server supports now, unless you go with LVM encryption.
[11:47] <wgrant> In which case you want the alternate or server disks.
[11:48] <technopagan1> wgrant: So no way around a complicated full-partition encryption?
[11:48] <wgrant> Symlinks into ~/Private probably solve most cases, but otherwise I don't believe so.
[11:49] <technopagan1> wgrant: Thank you. Then I'll read up on partition-encryption now.
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: that will only use Private, not encript the all $HOME
[11:50] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: I'm quite aware.
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> hehe
[11:51] <technopagan1> wgrant: I know its a stupid question to ask, but still: Do you think that the freshly released RC is stable enough to work with already? My Hardy is dying on me...
[11:52] <wgrant> technopagan1: We believe it to be ready for general use.
[11:52] <wgrant> Lots of testing is good.
[11:52] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: just reading throut the log...
[11:52] <wgrant> Just... don't put it on anything that will cause the world to end upon failure.
[11:52] <BUGabundo_work> technopagan1: I've been using Intrepid eversince alpha 1
[11:52] <technopagan1> wgrant: I'll do my best! ;)
[11:52] <BUGabundo_work> and believe me: I had less trouble with alphas then with betas
[11:52] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[11:53] <wgrant> Intrepid had no breakage.
[11:53] <wgrant> I'm not impressed.
[11:53] <wgrant> My system never failed to boot perfectly.
[11:53] <technopagan1> BUGabundo_work: I took the live-cd for a spin and liked it a lot
[11:55] <technopagan1> BUGabundo_work: But I had my fair share of "Oh let's install the new Alpha of Ubuntu!" ... *dies* in the last couple of years. So I got caucious.
[11:56] <technopagan1> wgrant: Then maybe I'll update today. Without the world ending. Promise!
[11:57] <wgrant> technopagan1: Sounds good.
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> technopagan1: backups backups backups
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> and you know what?
[11:57]  * BUGabundo_work everybody now: 
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> backups
[11:57] <DistroJockey> backup!
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> !backup
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> I really like clonezilla
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> !clonezilla
[12:01] <gaelfx> so I just restarted (for no particular reason) and now sound doesn't work, can someone help me diagnose the problem?
[12:08] <gaelfx> guess the crickets took over finally
[12:17] <johnflux> Hi all
[12:18] <johnflux> The installer doesn't let me set my username to be  "john.flux"
[12:18] <johnflux> because it doesn't like the "."
[12:18] <johnflux> I want to a file a bug against this, but what package should I file against?
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> you can file a bug johnflux
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> ahh
[12:18] <johnflux> :)
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> nice question
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> GDM? PAM?
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> PAM would be nice
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> but not sure if correct
[12:19] <johnflux> it works if I create the user on the command line
[12:19] <Hobbsee> johnflux: ubiquity, i'd start with
[12:19] <johnflux> it's just the installer that objects
[12:19] <BUGabundo_work> come on #ubuntu-bugs and ask there
[12:19] <wgrant> Or believe Hobbsee.
[12:19] <wgrant> As Hobbsee is generally right.
[12:19] <johnflux> Hobbsee: thanks
[12:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:19] <Hobbsee> except if i've been smoking the crack pipe, or something
[12:23] <johnflux> btw I like the improvements to launchpad
[12:23] <johnflux> it's nicer to enter a new bug now :)
[12:28] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: reinstalling uswblabla gets my hibernate back, but no suspend
[12:31] <gaelfx> :S all those updates and my sound still doesn't work, anyone up for a diagnosis session?
[12:32] <predator363> hey after updates i cant whach youtube vids and adobe only has 32bit flash player whadoi do?
[12:33] <crimsun> predator363: I presume you're on 64-bit, then?
[12:33] <predator363> yep
[12:33] <crimsun> predator363: so install flashplugin-nonfree (which will force the removal of adobe-flashplugin if you have the latter installed)
[12:34] <predator363> how do i do that? where do i get it?
[12:34] <crimsun> use a package manager; you'll need the multiverse component enabled
[12:34] <predator363> yea sorry i found it
[12:36] <predator363> awsome it worked
[12:37] <gaelfx> after I restarted my computer, my sound doesn't work, can someone point me in the right direction towards a diagnosis?
[12:37] <crimsun> gaelfx: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it
[12:38] <gaelfx> thanks
[12:45] <yorki> hi
[12:46] <yorki> hab seit gestern kubuntu bringe aber internet nicht zum laufen
[12:46] <Hobbsee> !de
[12:46] <yorki> kann mir da jemand helfen?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yorki: only in english
[12:47] <yorki> ok bye
[12:48] <gaelfx> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c792cea0111f2e4e2d9347f0f5dc589381db172b
[12:48] <gaelfx> so does this help?
[12:50] <technopagan1> Does anyone have a more or less reasonable opinion on filesystems for SSDs? I know that using ext3 is supposed to be "unwise" because of Journaling. UBIFS (>2.6.27) is not for block-devices. Is ext2 the only way to go?
[12:53] <alteregoa> fnord
[13:03] <gaelfx> can anyone help me with my sound issue?
[13:06] <gaelfx> haha, I keep forgetting it's like 7am where most of you are :P
[13:18] <crimsun> bah, gaelfx's PCM was muted and zeroed
[13:18] <crimsun> funny how that tends to result in inaudible sound
[13:34] <predator363> hey what do i aptget for the the thing that makes 32bit stuff run better on 64bit ( someone elts mentioned it to me without giving me mutch info and i wanna see if it makes my wine run better)
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> predator363: you mean 32libs?
[13:39] <predator363> yea that
[13:40] <predator363> do i just apt-get 32bit libs?
[13:40] <BUGabundo_work> not sure what's the package
[13:41] <BUGabundo_work> you will have to search in synaptics
[13:41] <BUGabundo_work> but are you using 64 bits?
[13:41] <crimsun> erm, no, that's a dependency of nspluginwrapper.  You already have it if you installed flashplugin-nonfree.
[13:41] <predator363> hmm dident think it would be in there but its worth a shot
[13:41] <BUGabundo_work> FWIR it should install those libs
[13:41] <crimsun> I.e., nspluginwrapper depends on ia32-libs
[13:43] <predator363> so iv got flash non free do i have the libs already?
[13:44] <scopecreep> is there any simple way to resize my swap partition without reinstalling?
[13:44] <predator363> nope ndiswhapper thingy not installed nor the libs so im gonna go ahead and install em
[13:44] <dasch> scopecreep, you could use gparted
[13:44] <Flynsarmy> Is there any major downside to installing ibex release candidate rather than waiting a week?
[13:45] <scopecreep> will it mess with its uuid?
[13:45] <dasch> scopecreep, i am not sure, but if you delete the old swap partition and create a new one, probably
[13:46] <dasch> ?
[13:46] <BUGabundo_work> scopecreep: remember that you need something 2.5x the amount of RAM
[13:46] <predator363> crap whicone's do i install there like 100
[13:47] <gaelfx> ok, i just got a kernel panic, and there was no file for the last known bootable configuration, can someone help me figure this out?
[13:47] <Hobbsee> gaelfx: crimsun said your PCM was muted and zeroed, which was why you had no sound
[13:48] <gaelfx> oh, ok, thanks!
[13:48] <Lunar_Lamp_> I've just upgraded to 8.10 from 8.04, but when I try and access X my monitor says "video mode not supported".  How do I configure xorg now things have changed?
[13:48] <ToHellWithGA> gtk-window-decorator is not starting for me
[13:48] <ToHellWithGA> morning Hobbsee
[13:48] <scopecreep> so like 20gb for 8gb of ram?
[13:48] <ToHellWithGA> lart 22 and what not
[13:48] <Hobbsee> heya ToHellWithGA
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> eheh scopecreep.
[13:49] <dasch> BUGabundo_work, i don't think that you still need to do the 2,5 x size of ram
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> well you will need at least 9GiBs if you want to hibernate your PC
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> I have a 8GiBs SWAP for 4GiBs of ram
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> and I've seen it file up to 4GiBs
[13:49] <predator363> man i wish i could just sudo apt-get install punctuation | sudo apt-get install spelling |sudo apt-get install not-stupid-user
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> so if I need to hibernate my system at that time
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> I would need the extra space
[13:50] <dasch> well, i would take 1,5 x of ram then
[13:50] <dasch> but on the other side, disc space is cheap now a days
[13:50] <Lunar_Lamp_> !xorg
[13:51] <scopecreep> ok im gonna just say screw it and delete the windows partition, im going cold turkey
[13:52] <alkisg> Hi, on an acer 5920G laptop the "brightness-up" key does change the brightness, but it also echoes a "±" character. It worked fine in Hardy. It does this both on X and on plain console. Is this a hotkey-setup bug? Other there any configuration files I could try to modify?
[13:53] <predator363> hey what 32bit libs do i need for wine?
[13:53] <ToHellWithGA> predator363: i think they're installed by default
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> 320GiBs HD
[13:53] <ToHellWithGA> when you install WINE
[13:54] <ToHellWithGA> predator363: i don't know which version of WINE is in the current ubuntu repository but i've been using "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt intrepid main" in my sources.list to get very current versions
[13:54] <predator363> yea iv got latest version
[13:54] <ToHellWithGA> you should go to their website and verify that you install the correct key
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> scopecreep: its easy to get swap back again
[13:54] <alkisg> wine: 1.0.1-0ubuntu1
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> just need to find out UUID and enter on fstab
[13:55] <tolonuga> how shall I ubdate from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10? the webpage tells me to kdesudo “adept_manager –dist-upgrade-devel” - but adept_manager is not installed on my kubuntu. shall I install it, or is there some other application (Kapdept_manager or whatever) that works with kubuntu instead?
[13:55] <predator363> iv got wine 1.0.6 i think its the newest one on there websight
[13:55] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: use update-manager-kde
[13:56] <gnomefreak> change that
[13:56] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: use update-manager-kde -d
[13:56] <tolonuga> ok, thanks. shall I write someone a mail or something so they can fix the webpage?
[13:56] <alkisg> predator363, 1.0.1 is the current on intrepid... Yeah, on their site it's newer
[13:56] <ToHellWithGA> from that budgetdedicated i have 1.1.6~winehq0~ubuntu~8.10-0ubuntu1
[13:57] <ToHellWithGA> it depends entirely on your trust
[13:57] <ToHellWithGA> if you'd prefer to stick with just default ubuntu repositories that is understandable
[13:57] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: hold off on that for a bit
[13:58] <tolonuga> ok, thanks-
[13:59] <tolonuga> hmm, so far I don't have update-manager-kde installed either.
[14:00] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: install it
[14:00] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: install kubuntu-desktop please if you are using kubuntu
[14:00] <ToHellWithGA> should i post HAL .fdi contents to the Macbook section of ubuntu's wiki?
[14:00] <joaopinto> anyone available to help me with a not working audio input problem :P ?
[14:01] <ToHellWithGA> now that the module used is appletouch rather than synaptics things get a little weird
[14:01] <tolonuga> packages.ubuntu.com tells me it does not exist, there is only update-manager, but no package with a file update-manager-kde in hardy.
[14:02] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: kubuntu-desktop doesnt exist?
[14:03] <tolonuga> update-manager-kde does not exist - no such file (when searching with p.u.o). but there is a update-manager (without "-kde")
[14:03] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[14:04] <tolonuga> normal hardy from de.archives - nothing special.
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> update-manager-kde doesn't have a directly invokable executable
[14:04] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: install update-manager
[14:04] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: what does it use?
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> in Hardy adept launches it
[14:04] <tolonuga> ca
[14:05] <tolonuga> can't pastebin - their spam filter prevents it.
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[14:05] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: im still wondering why adept isnt installed on his system if he uses kde
[14:05] <predator363> dude the guys in winehq are jerks
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that is weird
[14:06] <gnomefreak> predator363: tell them not us.
[14:06] <predator363> oh it was just a statement
[14:06] <predator363> sorry
[14:06] <predator363> thinking with my fingers
[14:07] <Lunar_Lamp_> I seem to have an issue with a corrupted package in the repositories - python-kde4 (amd64).  Does anyone have a non-corrupted version of this for me to try?
[14:07] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: do you have ubuntu,xubuntu installed?
[14:07] <Lunar_Lamp_> I've downloaded it twice and it doesn't seem to work.
[14:07] <tolonuga> kdesu update-manager -d tells me my system is up-to-date. shall I edit /etc/apt/sources.list myself to change hardy to intrepid ?
[14:07] <tolonuga> no, only kubuntu
[14:08] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: no it should work without having to do that
[14:08] <predator363> hey anybody here play a game called dawnofwar soulstorm in wine? (fingers crossed for an odd question)
[14:08] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: use the adept command above
[14:09] <gnomefreak> predator363: its better to ask your question
[14:09] <gnomefreak> there are alot of people in here so if everyone answere dyou i twould be too much
[14:10] <tolonuga> ok, adept_manager seems to work. the one I copy&pasted did not for some reason (guess some control char inside?), but once I typed it myself, it now started.
[14:10] <predator363> sorry ehhem....how do i get dawn of war soulstorm to work in wine and how do i set my graphics ram manualy or where is a good tutorial (google sux for extremly specific querys like this)
[14:10] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: missed a " most likely
[14:11] <tolonuga> nope. that was there. kdesu complained about (some-control-char)adept-manager not found.
[14:11] <tolonuga> now that adept_manager started I can hit update and then hit version update, and then it segfaults. guess this needs some more work.
[14:12] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: without seeing what you used i have no way of telling
[14:12] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: any error in terminal other than segfault
[14:12] <tolonuga> kdesudo “adept_manager –dist-upgrade-devel”
[14:12] <tolonuga> sudo: âadept_manager: command not found
[14:13] <tolonuga> that was pasted from my xterm. no idea where that strange char before the "adept_manager" came from, as I copy&pasted the whole line from my konqueror session from kubuntu.org
[14:13] <AMIGrAve> I just downloaded intrepid rc1 and tried to install (I'm a kubuntu user but seing kde4 I was wondering if I would switch to gnome). Something strange : at the install I can't select the hard drive I wish to install ubuntu on. Do I miss something ? The partitioner offers me options about sda but I want to install on sdb
[14:14] <tolonuga> any idea how I can help debugging the segfaulting adept_manager? I'm using x86_64 on my machine, maybe it wasn't tested well so far.
[14:15] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: do you see files in /var/log/dist-upgrade?
[14:15] <tolonuga> oops, now I see, the quote chars from kubuntu.org are not the normal plain quote chars we type in shell script, but some fancy glyphs. maybe not a good idea to use those in an example people should type. a <pre> environment with normal chars would be much better.
[14:15] <tolonuga> no, the directory is empty.
[14:16] <gnomefreak> tolonuga: could be related to xterm. kubuntu doesnt provide it so you have gtk libs installed
[14:17] <gnomefreak> or not
[14:19] <frybye> Hi - considering that since installing the intrepid-beta a week or so ago I have done all the available updates/upgrades.. can i assume that I now already have the rc1 that is offered for download today??
[14:20] <gaelfx> frybye: pretty much
[14:20] <tolonuga> I tried adept_update once more (now strace'ing the whole process to find out what seems not to work), and now it works of course. so not a big deal - try once more and you will be fine.
[14:20] <frybye> good.. will the same apply vis-a-vie the full version due on the 30th - the beta - will -become- the full version??
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> frybye: yes
[14:21] <tolonuga> found it! the kde3-kde4 migration page on kubuntu.org has the wrong quotes in the update command. the other web pages are fine.
[14:21] <frybye> Thanks JontheEchidna that is v. cool - good to know..
[14:21] <tolonuga> can anyone here forward this to the webmasters?
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> frybye: yeah, this computer is an alpha2 install that has been upgraded to rc ;-)
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> tolonuga: it's a wiki, if you can't edit it I can
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[14:23] <tolonuga> but the page is protected, and I neither see an edit nor a login button
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> ...unless the page is giving me an internal server error
[14:23] <tolonuga> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration - the wrong quote is at the buttom of the page
[14:24] <filth_> JontheEchidna: what method of upgrading did you use?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> what should it be instead?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> filth_: just apt-get updating normally over the months
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> if you have a prerelease install that's really all you have to do to get the latest version
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> tolonuga: so what's it supposed to be?
[14:25] <tolonuga> normal quote chars, like on the other pages documenting the update.
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> whoa, that has upside-down quotes
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[14:25] <louise> hello
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> Fixed, thanks for the heads up
[14:25] <tolonuga> yes, they don't work well with copy&paste. thanks for fixing it!
[14:26] <tolonuga> your welcome
[14:26] <louise> my wi-fi card drivers are not working: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[14:26] <louise> I know how it can be fixed
[14:26] <louise> but I was wondering how I can contribute so others don't have to use workarounds
[14:27] <filth_> louise: please take a look at this, first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[14:27] <filth_> louise: then, perhaps you may or may not (depending on whether or not a bug has been posted to launchpad) post one.
[14:27] <louise> filth_, sure.
[14:27] <louise> filth_, ok, I will make a search.
[14:28] <louise> but does anyone know if that atheros card is supported in ibex so I can tell whether or not its a bug?]
[14:29] <kniolet> louise: mine worked out of the box in intrepid
[14:29] <louise> kniolet, is it the same one?
[14:30] <kniolet> louise: i have no clue, i just know its an atheros and i used to have to compile mad-wifi drivers for it pre-intrepid
[14:30] <filth_> louise: please take a look at this, as well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WLANHowTo
[14:30] <pawang> after installing ubuntu studio I cannot get the gui login screen
[14:31] <filth_> pawang: is ubuntu studio on topic for this channel?
[14:32] <platius> louise;  My atheros AR2413 was auto install on ibex 4 me
[14:32] <pawang> fifth i was told i would be helped on this channel
[14:32] <filth_> pawang: please go to #ubuntustudio
[14:32] <pawang> I have been diverted from there
[14:32] <pawang> my problem is of display
[14:32] <pawang> I am using nvidia quadro 4500 and previously i was running ubuntu hardy and it was running fine after few changes
[14:33] <pawang> but after installing ubuntu studio I am not able to get to gui login or run serverx
[14:33] <louise> filth_, Its a driver problem. ifconfig does not reveal any wireless device adapters... I  guess I should file a bug, nobody else did yet. Unless someone else here has the same card working.
[14:34] <filth_> louise: iwconfig?
[14:34] <zniavre> !nouveau
[14:34] <louise> platius, would you please paste me the output of lspci | grep Atheros and ifconfig?
[14:34] <filth_> louise: this channel really isn't wireless support, specific.
[14:34] <kniolet> louise: ok mine seems to be Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[14:35] <TychoQuad> I'd just like to say thank you for the new network manager. Once I had this problem solved with an old static ip, I've found it to be extremely flexible and setting up my wileless broadband device was a breese
[14:35] <louise> filth_, i know,  its just that I suspect its an Intrepid Ibex bug
[14:35] <louise> kniolet, thanks
[14:36] <pawang> filth_, what do you recommend for me
[14:36] <filth_> louise: well, see how it goes
[14:36] <tolonuga> JontheEchidna: can you edit the page once more? the first "-" char of the optoins seems to be some fancy char instead of the normal minus too.
[14:36] <filth_> pawang: i recommend you go to #ubuntustudio.
[14:37] <pawang> ok
[14:37] <louise> kniolet, so it might be possible that your make works with the atheros driver that is in ibex and mine doesn't don't you think?
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> tolonuga: somebody's text editor must have combined the -- into a long dash
[14:38] <louise> hmm
[14:38] <louise> I will do some more research
[14:38] <kniolet> louise: could be, it seems like the one included would be the new one made by atheros though
[14:38] <tolonuga> yes, I think so too.
[14:39] <kniolet> louise: does your card support 802.11n i seem to remember the official atheros driver only supports one which have that (eg the newer ones)
[14:39] <louise> kniolet, tolunga. Is there a list of the devices this driver supports?
[14:40] <kniolet> i seem to reitemember a link to some info about it on the madwifi s
[14:40] <kniolet> errr
[14:40] <kniolet> on the mad wifi site
[14:40] <louise> kniolet, ok, I will look over there, thanks
[14:40] <kniolet> i seem to remember seeing some info
[14:40] <tolonuga> my thinkpag t61 with iwl4965 only has 802.11abg, but no n support.
[14:42] <BUGabundo_work> it should have tolonuga
[14:43] <BUGabundo_work> at least kernel 2.6.27 had support for N protocol
[14:43] <tolonuga> I'm still on hardy, haven't updated yet (right now adept_manager crashed once again, not sure why)
[14:44] <platius> louise;  let me move to xchat on  my ibex install
[14:45] <DG19075> anyone know if the ibex release will have the new OpenOffice?
[14:45] <Lunar_Lamp> I have just upgraded, but for some reason I cannot get into Gnome,  I can get into gnome-failsafe, and KDE4, wmii etc, but when I try to create a proper gnome session it just hangs and I have to restart X.  ANy hints as to how to fix this?
[14:45] <louise> kniolet, I don't know...
[14:45] <louise> platius, sure
[14:46] <kniolet> DG19075: not sure if its going to change, mine still have 2.4 though
[14:46] <louise> Lunar_Lamp, look for a clue in .xsession-errors
[14:47] <DG19075> still 2.4 here
[14:47] <kniolet> if they haven't put in 3.0 yet, my guess is it probably wont make it in
[14:48] <filth_> DG19075: still 2.4 what?
[14:48] <TychoQuad> yeah, they've said 3.0 won't make it
[14:49] <kniolet> filth_: open office version 2.4
[14:49] <DG19075> OpenOffice, and I know 3.0 is out. Just wondering if 3.0 will be ported to ibex
[14:49] <serengeti> hi, is there a way to make NetworkManager remember my static ip configuration? It always reverts to dhcp after a reboot.
[14:49] <filth_> kniolet: ah.
[14:49] <filth_> DG19075: it is my assumption that it won't be built into the final release, but it will be available via apt, sooner than later
[14:50] <DG19075> if avail. as a deb, it will be good
[14:50] <Lunar_Lamp> louise: absolutely nothing is being written there :-/
[14:53] <louise> Lunar_Lamp, try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:57] <platius> louise, whew http://paste.ubuntu.com/62009/
[14:58] <bsnider> platius, what's the problem?
[14:58] <louise> platius, how did you get that output?
[14:59] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, louise - thanks. It was .xsession-errors - seems that xmodmap can't open /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap.  I don't have a kxkb dir - any suggestions?
[14:59] <platius> louise, lshw
[15:00] <platius> bsnider, louise  requested the output
[15:00] <bsnider> i c
[15:01] <louise> platius, it seems to be the same make as mine
[15:01] <louise> brb
[15:02] <louise> platius, actually, not the same
[15:02] <louise> brb
[15:03] <bsnider> in the latest kernel update, ath5k was disabled. you need to install the linux-backports package to get the new ath5k (that supposedly works a lot better) to drive atheros devices
[15:03] <platius> louise, http://madwifi.org if you have not checked here
[15:04] <platius> later
[15:11] <duncanm> if i want to upgrade to the RC, does it matter if i get the normal iso, or the alternate iso?
[15:15] <danage> bsnider: there are still many problems with that package
[15:16] <the_darkside_986> Does Kubuntu 8.10 beta have a package for a WebKit konqueror? As much as I admire the courage of KHTML, it is only practical for testing webpages :/
[15:17] <the_darkside_986> *i guess i am technically running RC by now since I have fully updated my system since I installed the beta CD.
[15:20] <NET||abuse> my screen polling issue that i thought was fixed seems to still be here,, editing in vim on console, add new line in middle of file, try to scroll down below bottom of screen page, have to click the screen to get it to scroll the text
[15:20] <NET||abuse> It's scrolling just not updating the display
[15:20] <NET||abuse> nvidia graphics 755 driver :(
[15:21] <NET||abuse> uhhhh, nvidia driver 177 i meant
[15:21] <NET||abuse> what has me thinking 755??
[15:21] <NET||abuse> maybe the number of items on our trac ticket report.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> :P
[15:26] <jamesish1> Hey folks. Did a  dist-upgrade to Intrepid yesterday to help out the testing; it seems to have broken my ruby on rails installation somehow.
[15:27] <jamesish1> Software that was running perfectly before the upgrade now is dying with a "undefined method `[]' for #<Enumerable::Enumerator" error. Which is a bizarre one.
[15:27] <devon> that's probably caused by 1.8.7 ruby
[15:28] <devon> there are backwards incompatible changes in 1.8.7
[15:28] <devon> many base classes dropped undocumented methods
[15:28] <jamesish1> Okay; I'll see if I can install an older version and see if that helps out.
[15:28] <devon> Enumerable losing [] is consistant with that
[15:29] <jamesish1> Was the hardy version 1.8.6
[15:29] <jamesish1> ?
[15:30] <devon> yes
[15:30] <NET||abuse> don't have a hardy handy,,,
[15:31] <jamesish1> Awesome. I'll get 1.8.6 installed and report back on progress.
[15:31] <NET||abuse> ooh,, wow, that sounded bad,  wasn't intentional
[15:32] <td123> NET||abuse: its not your fault, its the naming conventions fault
[15:32] <jamesish1> Yeah, it's stupid to make backwards incompatible changes in a point release.
[15:33] <devon> that's ruby for you
[15:33] <devon> the escuse is that the functions weren't documented
[15:34] <devon> so I did dist-upgrade, and I'm having a number of problems
[15:34] <NET||abuse> reallly, wow, so glad i'm in python land then.
[15:34] <devon> wanted to see if anyone has had similar experiences
[15:34] <devon> (miss python)
[15:34] <devon> 1) getty doesn't seem to work anymore
[15:34] <NET||abuse> devon: come back to us, leave that shiney land and return to the dingey yet reliable world of py
[15:34] <devon> hitting ctrl-alt-1 (through 6) results in a blank screen with a blinking cursor
[15:35] <NET||abuse> no tty's ,, yeh, i think i have that too
[15:35] <devon> NET||abuse: I'm trying, I'm trying ;)
[15:35] <devon> getty is running, and bound to the ttys
[15:35] <devon> but no worky
[15:35] <NET||abuse> actually, no mine's working today., tty's on all 6
[15:36] <NET||abuse> even f8 working for me today, i think i hit that yesterday and it was blank
[15:36] <NET||abuse> fun.
[15:36] <devon> 2) about once a day my mouse stops being able to select anything
[15:36] <devon> I can still move th mouse
[15:37] <devon> and I can use alt-tab to go between windows
[15:37] <NET||abuse> usually that's a broken dialog
[15:37] <NET||abuse> i've had that.
[15:37] <falstaff> Hello
[15:37] <kniolet> i have mouse problems after a restore from suspend, but a reboot fixes it
[15:37] <devon> ok, yeah
[15:37] <devon> it always happens with dialogs
[15:37] <devon> next time it happens I'll try a ctrl-f4 to kill off the window
[15:37] <NET||abuse> i can has moar cauphyeee
[15:38] <NET||abuse> that's likely a way to clcear it, escape too.
[15:38] <Decepticon> on *:TEXT:$(* $+ $me $+ *):#:var %s = $+($network,.,#,.$nick) | hinc -m highlight %s | if ($hget(highlight,%s) > 25) notify $nick
[15:38] <Decepticon> oh crap
[15:38] <Decepticon> sorry
[15:38] <Decepticon> bad paste
[15:38] <devon> 3) is anyone using teh new broadcom STA wireless driver?
[15:38] <falstaff> I try to bring ubuntu intrepid ibex to work on my new laptop (HP EliteBook 8530w). It doesnt boot with acpi, boot hangs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/288385). Does anybody know how i can find out what exactly doesnt work with acpi? (eg. disabliung some modules...)
[15:38] <Decepticon> im trying the ubuntu 8.10 livecd and i cannot get any desktop to come up? here is the Xorg log, there are no errors i can see... http://64.238.186.178/Xorg.0.log and heere is the xorg.conf: http://64.238.186.178/xorg.conf . someone please tell me how i can get a working desktop please
[15:38] <devon> my network drops about 7-10 times a day
[15:39] <filth_> devon: what kernel?
[15:40] <NET||abuse> ouch, had dropping wifi with old atheros card before, horrible symptom
[15:40] <saxin> Hi all. I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on a computer, the install went fine. After a reboot it boot from the harddrive, but when it comes to the user/password - I get no picture at all. I can hear the 'music', but no picture. What do you suggest?
[15:40] <devon> filth_:2.6.27-7 generic
[15:40] <devon> using wpa supplicant
[15:40] <devon> and it totally spams my dmesg
[15:40] <filth_> devon: hmm. some people encountered some trouble with previous kernel versions and networking.
[15:40] <filth_> but not with 2.6.27-7, post a bug report.
[15:40] <devon> k
[15:40] <dfgas> hmmm, i am thinking about doing an update to use 8.10
[15:41] <saxin> Anyone that can help me out? :)
[15:41] <jamesish1> Anyone know where the ubuntu equivalent of http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/03/22/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ is?
[15:41] <devon> filth_: is there anything you can think of that I should post along with the report? (other then kernel version, maybe lsmod and my wireless settings)
[15:42] <filth_> saxin: your gnome bootsplash isn't loading up properly. you may want to reinstall gdm.
[15:42] <filth_> devon: dmesg.
[15:42] <devon> k
[15:42] <filth_> jamesish1: i assume that this is just the ruby interpreter?
[15:42] <dfgas> bah, i am gonna do it
[15:42] <filth_> jamesish1: please look at: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[15:43] <dfgas> :D YAY!!!\
[15:43] <Xtest> hello
[15:43] <saxin> filth_: so I just boot into recovery mode, and remove it.. then install the package again?
[15:43] <Xtest> all
[15:43] <Xtest> ubuntu rc ibex has issue's with wep
[15:43] <jamesish1> Filth_: hello again! It's the ruby interpreter plus its various other bits and pieces, existing at an older version than ibex has.
[15:44] <Xtest> it does not connect to wep with hex , there is no option to set hex wep
[15:44] <filth_> Xtest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[15:44] <filth_> Xtest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WLANHowTo
[15:44] <filth_> saxin: hmm. look at bugs.launchpad.net for similar issues, and solutions.
[15:45] <filth_> saxin: that would be my first recommendation.
[15:45] <filth_> saxin: this is ubuntu 8.10 BETA?
[15:45] <filth_> jamesish1: have you tried installing the debian port?
[15:45] <saxin> filth_: release candidate.. just dl it
[15:45] <filth_> saxin: i see, is this the same/similar issue: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbackports.ubuntuforums.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D941842&ei=L98BSevTJoTeM63njfMM&usg=AFQjCNHq_ZlscXfiX-iTt_UAKVBXHKB_lA&sig2=7u2eJ8lnd2Szyz7oqvsDBA
[15:45] <filth_> erm.
[15:46] <filth_> saxin: http://backports.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=941842
[15:47] <DrHalan4> hey in the new kernel did they remove support for certain devices? my webcam isnt working anymore  :(
[15:48] <jamesish1> filth:_ I haven't, but. It's because the right version exists in hardy, so I was thiknking. Will I get any conflicts from pinning hardy into my sources.list, but only for ruby?
[15:48] <filth_> jamesish1: maybe in the future, yes.
[15:49] <filth_> DrHalan4: logitech?
[15:49] <DrHalan4> my webcam is still listed in lsusb but when i start camorame for example it says could not connect to /dev/video0
[15:49] <filth_> jamesish1: perhaps you should just install from source.
[15:49] <DrHalan4> fith_ no its a microsoft VX-1000 LifeCam but it used to work :(
[15:50] <jamesish1> filth_: I was half way towards that when I thought I could try pinning the debs ;) I'll just source it and deal with that.
[15:50] <filth_> jamesish1: i'd recommend it.
[15:50] <jamesish1> filth_: Interestingly, apt-get remove ruby also removed amarok o_O
[15:51] <filth_> saxin: so, you can attempt to boot into recovery mode, and choose the xfix option, and begin to boot as normal, as suggested in the backports link.
[15:51] <DrHalan4> jamesish1 guess amarok uses ruby and depends on it
[15:52] <filth_> hm. i wonder what kde4 is like.
[15:53] <the_darkside_986> Kate is only showing the static word wrap marker when i highlight text. it doesn't show up otherwise. (but it works on my home machine running the same Kubuntu 8.10) any ideas?
[15:54] <the_darkside_986> filth_:  KDE4 is the desktop of the future. it is weird but cool, nothing like other desktops i've used before.
[15:55] <filth_> hmm. DrHalan4 have you looked at this: http://launchpad.net/bugs/56171
[15:55] <filth_> DrHalan4: i know it's the VX-6000 but perhaps the bug may be interpolated between versions ;p
[15:55] <filth_> the_darkside_986: i'm used to gnome.
[15:56] <DrHalan4> hm /dev/video0 is missing compeltely
[15:56] <DrHalan4> is there a way to reconfigure it?
[15:58] <filth_> DrHalan4: http://search.aol.com
[15:58] <filth_> (i've never used a webcam) -- this might be of help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39574
[15:59] <Nece228> quote:
[15:59] <Nece228> "For the Intrepid Ibex, the development team will prepare an unbelievable desktop, with amazing performance, that will work on mostly any computer (be it a high-end workstation or an old and dusty Pentium III machine)."
[15:59] <Nece228> lieyers!
[16:00] <filth_> Nece228: liars*
[16:00] <the_darkside_986> It might work if the Pentium III machine has 1 GB of RAM but I can't imagine a P3 mobo usually being able to support that much RAM.
[16:01] <filth_> the_darkside_986: intrepid won't work on P2-233's?
[16:01] <Nece228> it cant be faster because gnome is heavy
[16:01] <filth_> without gnome.
[16:01] <Nece228> and gnome cant be much more lightweight in one release
[16:02] <the_darkside_986> Gnome is the most bloated wasteful DE I've ever seen next to Vista. KDE4 is making progress with memory usage and load time.
[16:02] <filth_> the_darkside_986: scrot
[16:02] <the_darkside_986> TWM or evilwm might be more appropriate for old machines.
[16:02] <filth_> hmm. i'm using 525mb of my 3GB ram
[16:03] <filth_> i suppose half of that is dedicated to gnome.
[16:03] <Nece228> Also kubuntu 8.10 developers said that kubuntu intrepid will start up kde in few seconds
[16:04] <the_darkside_986> Kubuntu is quite fast with startup. Not sure about a few seconds but noticeably faster than Ubuntu 8.04
[16:04] <the_darkside_986> Wow Xorg is taking 86 MB of RAM that is too much, someone should just write a new display system from scratch if we can't do better than that.
[16:04] <filth_> the_darkside_986: want to take a screenshot?
[16:05] <filth_> i didn't like kde3 much.
[16:05] <filth_> always avoided it.
[16:05] <the_darkside_986> And konqueror seems to consume 42 MB right now
[16:06] <the_darkside_986> well, i haven't counted shared memory
[16:06] <the_darkside_986> But xorg's shared mem is only 10 M
[16:06] <the_darkside_986> whereas konqueror, for example, lists shared memory as 32 MB
[16:07] <filth_> take a screenshot, the_darkside_986!
[16:07] <the_darkside_986> Either way, much work needs to be done on both DE's to improve memory usage
[16:07] <the_darkside_986> hold on
[16:07] <Nece228> filth_: http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/10/24/f_testm_55e2f8a.jpg
[16:08] <filth_> i might make the switch.
[16:09] <kniolet> that looks WAY too much like vista lol
[16:09] <Nece228> as you can xorg uses much memory but its not important when you have 1gb ram
[16:09] <Nece228> kniolet: yeah, vista is ugly
[16:09] <Nece228> kniolet: i would never use it theme
[16:10] <filth_> Nece228: that's sort of like saying: it's ok to have vista use 1.5GB of memory, if you have 8GB.
[16:10] <filth_> Nece228: and if i didn't know better, i'd say that was gnome.
[16:10] <filth_> hmm, it is gnome.
[16:11] <Nece228> filth_: well first ram is very cheap, and p iii can support up to 1 gig ram
[16:11] <Nece228> filth_: its gnome
[16:12] <filth_> Nece228: yeah, i just saw the gnome-panel etc.
[16:12] <the_darkside_986> http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/10/24/f_screen1m_0623192.png
[16:12] <the_darkside_986> Konqueror needs WebKit by default.
[16:12] <the_darkside_986> KHTML gives up on image loading too soon
[16:12] <filth_> i'll take one as well ;]
[16:12] <the_darkside_986> http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/10/24/f_screen1m_0623192.png
[16:14] <the_darkside_986> doesn't show my rotated desktop icons though :(
[16:14] <Nece228> dark side of the moon
[16:14] <johnflux> the_darkside_986: the memory used by the xserver includes all the pixmap memory too
[16:15] <the_darkside_986> xorg memory usage seems to be increasing
[16:17] <bsnider> where are touchpad settings held now?
[16:18] <filth_> the_darkside_986: ah, you code c?
[16:21] <filth_> the_darkside_986: Nece228: mine: http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/10/24/f_20081024161m_7e16bd0.png
[16:21] <filth_> (about a week old set up)
[16:24] <Nece228> filth_: whats ur pc specs
[16:25] <filth_> Nece228: erm, 2.4 intel core 2 duo proc; 250GB hdd, 3GB ram
[16:25] <filth_> nvidia geforce card (i forgot the ver)
[16:25] <Nece228> filth_: its E7200?
[16:25] <Nece228> filth_: how long you need to wait until firefox starts
[16:26] <[diablo]> good afternoon #ubuntu+1
[16:26] <filth_> Nece228: about 1.5
[16:27] <echinos_> updated to ibex - now no sound or wireless - normal-ish?
[16:27] <[diablo]> anyone got 8.10 working with the Via UniChrome Pro II
[16:27] <echinos_> on a del lappy
[16:27] <Nece228> filth_: same on my athlon 64 3000+
[16:27] <Nece228> filth_: :)
[16:27] <dasch> has someone zattoo got to work in ibex?
[16:28] <ibkanat> I am still having trouble with gspca just updated this morning (64 bit)
[16:29] <ibkanat> can anyone help me. Or if this a unresloved bug
[16:29] <bridie> Hey guys.  Any wireless gurus about?  Intrepid is recognising my BCM4311 wifi card and offering 2 drivers for it (proprietary and free) but neither of them appear to be working.
[16:29] <Nece228> ibkanat: you better use 32 bit system, you will not see any performance difference
[16:30] <Nece228> bug 1
[16:30] <Nece228> bug 32
[16:30] <dr_Willis> I will admit ive had no issues with my 64bit laptop/64bit ubuntu 8.10 -- so far.. :)
[16:30] <gaelfx> I don't suppose anyone in here uses QQ, do they?
[16:30] <ibkanat> Nece228 I built this computer to run 64 bit 8 gigs of ram
[16:31] <ibkanat> its is my workstation for blender
[16:31] <ibkanat> thanks for the links
[16:31] <horstle> is it possible to upgrade ubuntu server?
[16:32] <jamesish1> Just reporting back for those who're interested that downgrading to rub 1.8.6 and reinstalling my various gems resolved my issues with rails on Intrepid.
[16:33] <ibkanat> would a clean install of 8.10 fix anything once its released on the 30th?
[16:33] <Nece228> ibkanat: report bug then
[16:33] <dario_> bridie: i had a similar problem, have you tried searching on the wiki?
[16:33] <ibkanat> ok
[16:34] <bridie> dario_: Am having a look now at linuxwireless.org  Seems like the old drivers may not like the new kernel, but there appears to be a solution
[16:36] <dario_> bridie: to me it was just sudo /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh and reboot, after that iwlist wlan0 scan was showing everything well
[16:37] <dario_> anyone knows why amarok2 can't play any sound? (amarok-nightly) mplayer works fine
[16:37] <bridie> dario: sweet.  just run that script so am going to give that a whirl now.  will let you know how it goes.  Did you have to enable either driver in restricted drivers ? (I disabled both before fiddling)
[16:38] <gaelfx> dario_: tried starting it from konsole to see what messages it gives?
[16:38] <Q-FUNK> is this the right package for Bug #287462 ?
[16:38] <dario_> bridie: i hadn't touched it (it was enabled)
[16:38] <dario_> gaelfx: i'll try
[16:39] <bridie> dario_: The free or proprietary driver?  (I am offered two)
[16:39] <dario_> prop one
[16:39] <Nece228> even if ubuntu 8.10 doesnt have new theme it still looks pretty new because of new wallpaper and human murrine theme which i really like
[16:40] <Nece228> and new panel background
[16:41] <dario_> gaelfx what would be relevant? it prints a lot of things
[16:44] <gaelfx> dario_: errors :D
[16:45] <gaelfx> dario_: or you could pastebin it
[16:46] <dario_> it would be too easy... ;) no errors are printed, it keeps doing its job as usual
[16:46] <dario_> gaelfx: i'll paste something then
[16:46] <bridie> dario_: Hey guy.  That did the trick for me too, although I had to re-activate the proprietary driver and reboot again.
[16:46] <horstle> can't upgrade my ubuntu-server -> http://nopaste.com/p/aRxndmc0s - how to solve?
[16:47] <dario_> and now you're wireless, too...
[16:49] <bridie> dario_: Should I report that bug somewhere, or is it widely known?
[16:50] <dario_> bridie it is well known but i think there's nothing that could be done, try to report it to the jockey crew maybe, saying that our driver needs those steps to be performed and they could make them automagic
[16:51] <batti5> whats up with bluetooth in ibex?
[16:51] <SchneeSchwarz> horstle: try sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:51] <BUGabundo_work> batti5: do you mean?
[16:52] <batti5> i mean blouetooth will be ready until 30?
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> what isn't working for you ?
[16:52] <batti5> the bluetooth
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> but what exacly?
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> mine works...
[16:53] <batti5> it worked in hardy
[16:53] <horstle> SchneeSchwarz: danke, es funktioniert :D
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> I can see devices
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> connect keyboard
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> cell phones, transfer files...
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> audio aint working
[16:53] <batti5> with what?
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> but that is a know limitation
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> of the current stack
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> with any thing I use it with
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> several cell phones
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> one keyboard
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> one mouse
[16:54] <batti5> but, if you plugin a bluetooth adapter, what do you do then?
[16:55] <Nece228> im sick of vista look
[16:55] <Nece228> take a look at my brand new unbelievable desktop
[16:55] <BUGabundo_work> mine is onboard
[16:55] <Nece228> http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/10/24/f_testm_82a5f70.jpg
[16:55] <BUGabundo_work> with my laptop
[16:55] <BUGabundo_work> and it Just Works
[16:56] <BUGabundo_work> batti5: if you have any trouble, please file a bug on LP
[16:56] <Nece228> it looks much better than vista look
[16:56] <BUGabundo_work> Nece228: that's the old background!!!!!!
[16:56] <dario_> gaelfx: too much output and amarok > log.txt doesn't work
[16:56] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: so what, im using hardy
[16:57] <dario_> i think that it has something to do with phonon or sth like that
[16:57] <dario_> or maybe amarok-nightly is bugged today and just doesn't work
[16:58] <DanaG> Bluetooth is way broken for me.
[16:58] <BUGabundo_work> Nece228: this is Ubuntu+1!!! ie for ibex
[16:58] <DanaG> There's no easy way to create an rfcomm connection.
[16:58] <BUGabundo_work> hardy is on #ubuntu-users
[16:58] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: wait a sec
[16:58] <gaelfx> DanaG: still? that makes me a sad panda...
[16:58] <BUGabundo_work> batti5: I don't know how it is on Kubuntu
[16:58] <BUGabundo_work> not even sure that all bugs were fixed
[16:58] <BUGabundo_work> bug some one that actually uses KDE to be sure
[16:59] <corni_> hi, I installed the rc, but that new start button doesn't really work, it jsut don't set the IM status (i'm suing pidgin). Any help?
[16:59] <BUGabundo_work> mvo: do you use KDE? or must batti5 nag ridel?
[16:59] <DanaG> Even the old bluetooth thing couldn't do rfcomm.
[16:59] <batti5> when i start kdebluetooth, it sais already running
[16:59] <DanaG> I had to use a third-party utility to do it.
[17:00] <batti5> i dont have a bug, just no program to use it
[17:00] <mvo> BUGabundo_work: I don't use kde, but I may be able to help if its releated to upgrades
[17:00] <BUGabundo_work> naa
[17:01] <BUGabundo_work> batti5: doesn't see any icon to connect to devices on kubuntu
[17:01] <batti5> no
[17:01] <BUGabundo_work> since I use GNOME and I have an icon for that
[17:01] <BUGabundo_work> I have no way to help him
[17:02] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: heres
[17:02] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/10/24/f_testm_fce2072.jpg
[17:02] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: are you very happy now?
[17:03] <batti5> i read on the internet, that bluetooth for kubuntu 8.10 its not finished
[17:04] <pururu> internet is a lie
[17:04] <batti5> how do they intend to relase kubuntu stable with beta bluetooth in 5 days from now?
[17:05] <vmelo> anyone around know the name of the package which show exit options in ubuntu?
[17:05] <frybye> batti5: - something hast to be last ... or?  ;=)
[17:05] <vmelo> translation bug
[17:05] <pururu> but god created world in... 6 days? 7 ? i forget
[17:05] <BUGabundo_work> vmelo: fast-user-.....
[17:05] <vmelo> thanks :))
[17:05] <vmelo> BUGabundo_work: thanks
[17:05] <BUGabundo_work> vmelo: fast-user-swhich applet or something
[17:05] <batti5> peruru: even the kubuntu.org is a lie?
[17:06] <vmelo> BUGabundo_work: ok, I'll find it :)
[17:06] <Nece228> pururu: god created world in 6 days and in seventh day he had holiday
[17:06] <batti5> pururuL; but thay are not god
[17:06] <BUGabundo_work> aren't they?
[17:07] <BUGabundo_work> then to whom am I praying every night?
[17:07] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: of course not you bad atheist ;)
[17:07] <BUGabundo_work> [irony] I though Mark as God on Earth [/irony]
[17:07] <Nece228> BUGabundo_work: you are nasty atheist >:(
[17:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Is anyone experiencing the panels in gnome not conforming to the window background setting?  This is more noticable using Darkroom where the panels will stay a light color insteading of turning dark
[17:08] <tgm4883_laptop> This is on a fresh rc install
[17:09] <batti5> it seams imposible, to finish it until 30, if there are not wizards, of corse
[17:10] <batti5> what about upgrades?
[17:11] <batti5> thay say you can upgrade from the internet to rc & final, how?
[17:11] <tgm4883_laptop> batti5, apt-get upgrade?
[17:11] <batti5> its sais 0 upgrades
[17:12] <batti5> i still have beta 1, eaven if rc 1 is download able
[17:13] <batti5> or i sould re-insrtall on 30?
[17:15] <batti5> and if you put the harddrive in a new pc u need to re-install no?
[17:16] <batti5> whill kubuntu is on it
[17:17] <batti5> like winxp, it wouldent detect the new pc
[17:19] <LF|Irssi_> Hello, I'm thinking bout upgrading to Ubuntu Intrepid, I have Ubuntu 8.04 already installed so do i just upgrade it with: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:19] <danbh_intrepid> no
[17:19] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade
[17:20] <LF|Irssi_> ok good thing i asked then , thanks :)
[17:20] <bigfox> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[17:21] <bigfox> The Make USB Startup Disk feature in Intrepid is awesome.  Makes ISO testing much easier.
[17:22] <zeco> hi. I upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid RC and my wireless is gone. I had it loaded through ndiswrapper before
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> bigfox: I agree.
[17:22] <danbh_intrepid> [q] If I have an unupdated daily alternate cd, can I throw it into the release torrent, and have it get updated?
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> bigfox: I wonder if they could backport that to Hardy also?
[17:22] <zeco> ifconfig doesn't list wlan0 anymore... any ideas?
[17:22] <bigfox> zeco: Try removing the driver with NDISwrapper and then reinstalling it.
[17:23] <zeco> bigfox: doing this? modprobe -r ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper
[17:24] <zeco> bigfox: Or would it be necessary to reboot in between or something?
[17:24] <bigfox> zeco: I use the gnome gui for NDISwrapper.  I am don't know how to do it with command line
[17:25] <zeco> bigfox: which packet would that be, ndisgtk?
[17:26] <bigfox> zeco:  Yes, ndisgtk
[17:28] <batti5> i installed bluez tools, how to find them?
[17:29] <batti5> the tools
[17:29] <zeco> bigfox: alright, I did it but the "configure network"-Button gives an error (or isn't it needed?). No wlan0 yet, anyway
[17:29] <zeco> bigfox: "configure network"-Button says "couldn't find program for network configuration" (translated from German)
[17:29] <bigfox> It adds a control panel under System -> Administration -> windows wireless or something.
[17:30] <batti5> how can kubuntu be relased with such a big error?
[17:31] <the_darkside_986> filth_: sorry i was afk. I am writing C and Lua code for the upcoming Pandora console. that is a nice theme but the menu bar colors need to be black and shiny like the rest of the theme.
[17:31] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: whats the bug number?
[17:31] <batti5> nothing, just no bluetooth att all
[17:32] <zeco> bigfox: I already found it, but it seems that it doesn't do much more than ndiswrapper -i (inf-file) already did...
[17:32] <batti5> and the system settings is a big mess
[17:33] <batti5> the desktop effects dont work
[17:34] <batti5> kubuntu can`t be relased this way
[17:35] <batti5> and thare is no time for fixing
[17:36] <batti5> the cdrom can only be opened by force, if kubuntu is running
[17:38] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: are there bug reports?
[17:38] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: have you searched launchpad?
[17:38] <batti5> this is not a upcomig stable relase, but a disaster
[17:38] <ethana2> gyarr, why does my network LED blink constantly?
[17:39] <saxonjf> Can I get some help with intrepid??
[17:39] <bigfox> zeco:  the only other thing I can recommend is removing the windows driver, then completely removing and reinstalling NDISwrapper.
[17:39] <batti5> i have reported bugs, but thare ignored & qued for deletion
[17:40] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: can you show me?  whats your launchpad user name?
[17:40] <batti5> batti5
[17:41] <batti5> i fixed my self the resolution bug
[17:41] <danbh_intrepid> can you give me a link?  I cant find ya
[17:41] <gnomefreak> if they are set to incomplete than they will be marked for 60 days or so. if changed to incomplete someone is asking for more info
[17:42] <batti5> but xorg still dont works without help
[17:42] <gnomefreak> none of the other status' get set to be invalid
[17:42] <zeco> bigfox: would a restart do any good at any time in between? Otherwise I'm doing this now
[17:42] <batti5> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/281815
[17:42] <saxonjf> Anyone able to help with audio in intrepid?
[17:43] <gnomefreak> batti5: please go to your launchpad page and click bugs than click bugs i filed and post the link fo rme please
[17:43] <batti5> its sill new, but relase is in 5 days
[17:43] <bigfox> zeco:  I would restart once after complete removal and once after reinstalling.
[17:43] <gnomefreak> batti5: that doesnt mean anything it might be a local issue
[17:44] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: did you understand the sound error question?
[17:44] <batti5> what?
[17:45] <stefg> Does anyone happen to have an alternative source for a torrent of 8.10-rc-desktop ? releases.ubuntu.com seems ddos'd
[17:45] <gnomefreak> it was moved to new because you changed the status to something that shouldnt be set to
[17:45] <danbh_intrepid> stefg: are there torrents?
[17:45] <batti5> the sound error means only a half of the login sound is played
[17:46] <Pici> saxonjf: Can you give some more details as to what the issue is? Sound card, etc.   I personally may not be able to help (my connection sucks right now), but someone else might be able to.
[17:46] <stefg> distrowatch says so and links one on releases.ubuntu.com... but that times out
[17:46] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: so, the sound doesn't complete?  It only plays part of it?
[17:46] <batti5> yes
[17:46] <batti5> just the login sound
[17:46] <gnomefreak> batti5: we wont know if it is fixed since you worked around it
[17:47] <bigfox> zeco:  also, your wireless adapter may require the firmware to be installed.
[17:47] <bigfox> Mine did.
[17:47] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: ok, so watch how I fix the bug 282260
[17:47] <saxonjf> When I choose volume control, this some up in a caution box :No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[17:47] <batti5> not this res
[17:47] <zeco> bigfox: which firmware? even if it used to work on hardy?
[17:48] <batti5> how can you fix it?
[17:48] <gnomefreak> as for your sound bug you need to provide more info
[17:48] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: well, I fixed the report, not the bug itself, but take a look
[17:48] <stefg> Hobbsee: ping! do you by any chance mirror the torrents for the intrepid rc?
[17:48] <batti5> the rest of the sound go =perfect
[17:48] <gnomefreak> batti5: for all we know the latest xorg drivers fixed it but it seems only you are seeing this so you would have to start fresh
[17:49] <rivig> should fonts:/// in the url bar in nautilus work?
[17:49] <saxonjf> When I try to chosoe a streamer under sound, I get this: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[17:49] <batti5> batti5: well, I fixed the report, not the bug itself, but take a look, give me the link, i cant find it
[17:50] <danbh_intrepid> I already posted the link
[17:50]  * stefg finally got the torrent...
[17:50] <batti5> whare?
[17:50] <danbh_intrepid> bug 282260
[17:51] <danbh_intrepid> I gota reboot
[17:51] <bigfox> zeco:  depends on your card.
[17:51] <bigfox> zeco: what chipset does your wireless card use?
[17:53] <batti5> and thare is one more bug, the on screen kaybord kvkbd, types like this "hhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeelllllllllooooo"
[17:53] <batti5> i currently use onboard
[17:53] <zeco> bigfox: the driver name was bcmwl5, so it's broadcom... I just discovered that my keyboard cannot do a pipe anymore so I can't filter outputs of lspci and stuff
[17:54] <zeco> bigfox: or where would I find the complete name
[17:54] <kiji> hi, does pulseaudio now work fine in intrepid?
[17:54] <bigfox> zeco:  I think that is the same one I am using,  let me look up the firmware.
[17:54] <bigfox> Mine could be installed with apt-get.
[17:54] <zeco> bigfox: awesome!
[17:55] <bigfox> zeco:  mine used the b43-fwcutter package.
[17:56] <lucax> can i update hardy to ibex using some command not needing to download and install the iso?
[17:56] <bigfox> zeco: It can be found in Synaptic
[17:56] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade > lucax
[17:56] <batti5> and about bluetooth, simply no bluetooth programs
[17:56] <zeco> bigfox: I just ran it
[17:56] <zeco> no new interface as of yet ;) what now?
[17:56] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: try this command to install the somewhat default dependencies for your system!  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^
[17:57] <bigfox> zeco: I also still needed the NDISwrapper and windows driver
[17:57] <bigfox> zeco: May have to reboot.
[17:58] <bigfox> zeco: if that doesn't work, then I am stumped.
[17:59] <batti5> it just destroyed amarok-kde4
[18:00] <batti5> nothing alse
[18:02] <tag> How's the upgrade on intrepid working for folks?
[18:02] <TheInfinity> tag: if you ask this - wait until release.
[18:02] <tag> Is it any better than the last few upgrades?  Historically, upgrades have broken stuff for me.
[18:03] <saxonjf> I've got no sound at all
[18:03] <bigfox> tag:  The 64 bit version had issues.  I have to login, then logout, then log back in to get any programs to load.
[18:03] <tag> TheInfinity: I usually wait for a few weeks after release, and it still breaks stuff :-/
[18:04] <bigfox> Tag: also, the 64 bit version still detects all joysticks as mice.  Bug #288800
[18:04] <batti5> waiting, its just not posible is some condition
[18:04] <batti5> hardy, has its problems
[18:05] <kiji> does pulseaudio work better in intepid than in hardy?
[18:05] <danbh_intrepid> kiji: yes
[18:05] <tag> is anyone planning on backporting sun-java6-jdk to gutsy?
[18:05] <danbh_intrepid> tag: Im guessing not, but this is the wrong room to ask
[18:05] <batti5> i would install fedora or suse, but thare too BIG
[18:06] <batti5> i dont have a dvdrw
[18:06] <danbh_intrepid> batti5: did that command I gave you do anything?
[18:06] <kiji> batti5: there are livecds
[18:06] <batti5> no
[18:06] <kiji> sure
[18:07] <batti5> just broked amarok2
[18:07] <batti5> i mean downgraded it to 1.4
[18:08] <batti5> but i had trouble with bluetooth, not amarok
[18:11] <batti5> it also deleted my tiestos club life podcast stream links, now i have to search the internet to find it
[18:11] <batti5> that command yoy gave me
[18:11] <batti5> you
[18:13] <batti5> this did more bad then good
[18:13] <batti5> can you recommand a distro similar with ubuntu?
[18:14] <batti5> not over 700mb / iso
[18:14] <TheInfinity> batti5: suse
[18:15] <batti5> thats over 4gb / iso
[18:16] <batti5> arent thay opensuse lite?
[18:17] <joaopinto> batti5, please ask on #linux
[18:17] <joaopinto> this channel is for ubuntu intrepid support
[18:17] <ubug> hi all, I have found a problem with wifi on fujitsu-siemens laptop model m7440. It has an rf kill that is controlled by software. with Ibex the wifi switch does not work. It didn't work with hardy either but I can't remember where I found the solution and fixed it. What is the best way to report this problem? (I haven't filed a bug report in the past)
[18:17] <saxonjf> joao maybe you can help me out?
[18:18] <zeco> bigfox: nothing has worked.. just rebooted, still no interface.. thx anyways
[18:18] <joaopinto> saxonjf, I also have a sound problem myself, is not my area of knowledge :\
[18:20] <bigfox> ubug:  I have a Fujitsu Lifebook that had that problem.  I had to install the b43-fwcutter package that installed the firmware and fixed that problem.
[18:21] <bigfox> ubug:  then I had to install the windows wireless driver for it with NDISwrapper.
[18:22] <ubug> bigfox: From what i remember I just compiled a simple program and run it to turn the rf kill off.
[18:23] <bigfox> I don't know anything about that.  After I did the firmware and windows driver thing, the switch worked correctly.
[18:24] <ubug> bigfox: unfortunately since this is not my computer ubuntu did not last long. Now I am just testing ibex so i can start participating in the community
[18:32] <ubug> bigfox: found the file - http://sourceforge.net/projects/fsam7440/ - Could you please tell me how can I report it to the comunity?
[18:33] <bigfox> ubug:  I'm not sure.
[18:33] <sourcemaker> I have a major performance issue with kde4... the screen repaint is ver y slow...
[18:34] <FFForever> what happened to my ath5k and how do i get it back (i ran upgrades and poof it is no longer installed)
[18:34] <bigfox> ubug: I have never dealt directly with kernel modules
[18:34] <sourcemaker> and the icons are often ugly...
[18:34] <sourcemaker> it seems like an nvidia related repaint problem
[18:34] <ubug> bigfox: Ok, Thanks. By the way it does not seem to be a kernel module.
[18:34] <saxonjf> Can someone help me try to get my audio back?
[18:35] <FFForever> please someone i need ath5k for my wifi
[18:35] <FFForever> i just spent 30mins finding this eth cable...
[18:35] <bigfox> ubug: it says that the status is still beta.  It may get folded into the main kernel when it is ready for prime time.
[18:35] <ubug> bigfox: Ok, thanks
[18:35] <ubug> bigfox: Not a bug then...
[18:36] <FFForever> someone anyone?
[18:36] <bigfox> FFForever:  let me search for a firmware in the repo.
[18:37] <bsnider> FFForever, ath5k is in the linux-backports package now
[18:37] <sourcemaker> !nvidia
[18:38] <FFForever> bsnider, so how do i install it?
[18:38] <andresmh> is there a way to install openoffice 3 on intrepid from synaptic? i know i could download the installer but i like instaling things from synaptic because it's easier to keep things up-to-date that way
[18:38] <FFForever> the update rewrote my source.list :/
[18:39] <freaky_t> firefox keeps crashing here :( (Intrepid Ibex)
[18:39] <FFForever> freaky_t, firefox is fine for me :/
[18:39] <freaky_t> :(
[18:39] <bsnider> FFForever, sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic
[18:40] <bigfox> FFForever:  search Synaptic for xen-restricted-modules
[18:40] <bigfox> I have not tested it, but it looks like it might help you.
[18:40] <FFForever> thanks bsnider, but why did it uninstall my ath5k while upgrading? (without asking)
[18:40] <bsnider> FFForever, ath5k is blacklisted in the new kernel because a newer one is available from the backports package
[18:40] <bigfox> Ah
[18:41] <DanaG> There's an Openoffice 3 PPA repo.
[18:41] <andresmh> what is PPA ?
[18:41] <bsnider> !ppa
[18:41] <FFForever> i installed oo3 from the debs.....
[18:41] <DanaG> Personal Package Archive.
[18:41] <andresmh> DanaG
[18:41] <gnubie> andresjm: add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main to sources.list
[18:41] <andresmh> gnubie: awesome
[18:42] <FFForever> how come after installing oo3 my menu was not updated (also how do i launch oo3 apps?)
[18:42] <FFForever> brb
[18:43] <kikagage> hello all, Im impressed with this new release from ubuntu, everything is working quite well, and i finally got my dual monitors behaving nicely it's really a nice release...but unfortunately problems have arrived with trying to enable desktop effects with my external monitor. I get an error giving me that desktops cannot be enabled, besides the lack of effects, my card as seemed to slow down after enabling my external monitor a
[18:43] <kiji> can i already install intrepid on my machine (first ubuntu installation)? i do not want to install hardy
[18:43] <kiji> or are there too many bugs?
[18:43] <andresmh> gnubie: should I uninstall oo2.4 before installing oo3 via that ppa?
[18:44] <bigfox> kikagage: some graphics accelerators cannot do 3D acceleration on 2 monitors at the same time.
[18:44] <kikagage> kiji: I think it's quite an improvement from hardy, but naturally it's still new so there are bugs around.
[18:44] <gnubie> andresjm: all I had to do was run apt-get upgrade openoffice and it remove the old
[18:44] <kikagage> bigfox: i have one monitor disabled and one on
[18:44] <kiji> will openoffice 3 be in backports or only in the ppa?
[18:45] <gnubie> andresmh: all I had to do was run apt-get upgrade openoffice and it remove the old
[18:45] <bigfox> kikagage: what graphics adapter do you have?
[18:45] <kikagage> bigfox: an intel gma 950
[18:45] <kiji>  
[18:46] <filth_> the_darkside_986: i was afk; you're probably right about the menu bar thing, any recommendations?
[18:46] <Pretto> hey guys
[18:46] <SpamInaCan> gnubie, how do i install oo3 from that ppa?
[18:47] <Pretto> i am having  the  following output when i try to execute a gnome-panel app launcher /opt/sqldeveloper/sqldeveloper/bin/../../ide/bin/launcher.sh: line 519: 20184 Aborted                 ${JAVA} "${APP_VM_OPTS[@]}" ${APP_ENV_VARS} -classpath ${A
[18:47] <Pretto> PP_CLASSPATH} ${APP_MAIN_CLASS} "${APP_APP_OPTS[@]} but the same command works from the gnome-terminal
[18:47] <Pretto> any clue?
[18:47] <bigfox> kikagage:  Did it work correctly with 8.04
[18:48] <gnubie> SpamInaCan; after adding to sources.list I ran apt-get-update then all I had to do was run apt-get upgrade openoffice and it remove the old
[18:48] <filth_> hmm. i wonder if i can run goosh as a command line option, as opposed to running it in the browser.
[18:49] <SpamInaCan> gnubie thanks :)
[18:49] <gnubie> SpamInaCan; welcome
[18:49] <kikagage> bigfox: when i try to enable the effects too, i get a pop up saying it's searching for drivers followed by the desktop effects error, and yes it did work with hardy nicely. Infact it was working after the intrepid install
[18:49] <filth_> kikagage: this suggests that you either haven't got satisfactory hardware, or you are yet to install them.
[18:49] <filth_> nvidia?
[18:50] <kikagage> filth: intel gma 950
[18:50] <bigfox> kikagage:  I'm stumped.  That should be a well supported chipset.
[18:50] <kikagage> filth_:but it worked right after the install nicely, i turn off my laptop and plug in my external and the effects stop working
[18:51] <kikagage> external monitor*
[18:51] <konam> hi
[18:51] <bigfox> kikagage: try it without the external monitor.
[18:52] <filth_> the_darkside_986: i'm rather new to gnome as well; i used to use fluxbox.
[18:52] <konam> intrepid ibex hangs when i shut it down or restart it. sometimes it does, sometimes not, it seems to be random. I'm on a hp dv2000 (2423la especifically). I'm updating it to the RC to see if the problem is solved but i use to have all the updates till yesterday
[18:52] <FFForever> gnubie, The following packages have been kept back:  openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-.....................
[18:53] <apw> ﻿i just updated my system to intrepid using update-manager -d, and now update-manager says bad things "not all updates can be install"
[18:53] <apw> anyone seen that?
[18:53] <konam> my question is, is that a know issue? I don't want to report a duplicated bug to LP
[18:53] <kikagage> odd it's not working on just the laptop monitor too now
[18:53] <the_darkside_986> filth_: you could always just make your own small image in GIMP and drag it into the menu bar to set it as the background. The gradient tools of GIMP help with that.
[18:53] <the_darkside_986> I used to use my own custom 1x32 pixel png image as the background for a long time in Gnome.
[18:54] <FFForever> the_darkside_986, its all about 65% transparent with a black background :D
[18:54] <filth_> the_darkside_986: ah. good form.
[18:54] <filth_> the_darkside_986: so you're working with this openpandora project?
[18:54] <joaopinto> apw, not me
[18:54] <Pici> konam: Is it happening during shutdown or during boot?
[18:55] <konam> Pici, during shutdown or restart, not boot
[18:55] <filth_> FFForever: that depends on whether or not your transparency is set to increment darker, rather than lighter.
[18:55] <gnubie> FFForever; there was something it tried to do during apt-get update that I refused.
[18:55] <the_darkside_986> filth_: not officially but I ordered one from the first batch preorders and I plan to develop for it. Right now I am working on a Lua environment to make RAD easy
[18:56] <konam> Pici it didn't happen to me in any other ubuntu release. ubuntu has been very dv2000 friendly until now.
[18:56] <filth_> the_darkside_986: sounds decent, how long have you been coding C
[18:57] <FFForever> how do you make a deb?
[18:57] <konam> Pici when it hangs the screen is black and with a prompt, but its not a prompt, it's like waiting for something...
[18:57] <Pici> !newpackage | FFForever
[18:57] <Pici> konam: Anything in any other ttys?
[18:58] <konam> i'll have to check it out, haven't tried it yet
[18:58] <andresmh> so firefox is super slow and not responding but doing top it only shows it as using 1% CPU and 4.2M
[18:59] <saxonjf> Still trying to get audio
[18:59] <andresmh> i've noticed this happens when uploading files (e.g. uploading pictures to flickr)
[18:59] <saxonjf> Not getting help at all
[18:59] <Pici> konam: I asked about boot because there was an issue with the kernel and some modules causing it to hang and seemingly random times.
[18:59] <andresmh> any idea what could the problem be?
[19:01] <andresmh> i actually notice Xorg is using 13% CPU
[19:01] <bsnider> intrepid doesn't work very well on the crackbook
[19:01] <andresmh> is there a way to see what processes are  driving Xorg to use CPU?
[19:01] <bigfox> crackbook?
[19:02] <the_darkside_986> filth_: I've coded in C for quite a while, but I am re-learning the Lua C API in order to build my "Pandora Lua runtime." not that I like Lua so much, but it is fast and I can't think of an ECMAScript engine that is faster than Lua and works on ARM (Pandora's CPU type)
[19:03] <filth_> ARM is neat.
[19:03] <filth_> i wouldn't mind learning its architecture syntax. i may look into it & mips sometime.
[19:04] <Dude> is there a way to make the NVIDIA driver work on intrepid?
[19:05] <Pici> Do you mind moving the offtopic conversations to #ubuntu-offtopic, since this channel is getting more traffic since we are getting closer to the release date.
[19:05] <ArkoldThos> heya people, i used to have a nvidia card, but now i dont and i want to use mine intel integrated graphics, but when I try to reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't ask for drivers and stuff
[19:05] <filth_> Dude: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[19:07] <konam> Pici I will check it out after updating to the rc
[19:07] <Dude> filth_: i use the Geforce 440 mx, will that driver work for me?
[19:09] <filth_> Dude: i expect so
[19:09] <filth_> Dude: if it doesn't, you can always search.aol.com
[19:09] <ArkoldThos> oh, i see i810 driver was dropped
[19:09] <ArkoldThos> but now how can I configure nicely mine Intel card? it isn't using 3d acceleration
[19:09] <ArkoldThos> at it done before
[19:11] <gnubie> Dude;  The 440  needs the 96xx driver which is not ready yet.  I believe it needs nvidia people to do something
[19:11] <filth_> gnubie: nvidia-glx-* won't work?
[19:12] <filth_> or does it need another driver appended.
[19:12] <DanaG> !nvidia
[19:12] <DanaG> nvidia 96 and 71 have been broken for like 2 months now.
[19:12]  * DanaG swears at nvidia.
[19:12] <gnubie> nope
[19:12] <DanaG> Resume from suspend, on this NV17 ("4"MX), is broken.
[19:12] <DanaG> Broken with nv, that is.
[19:12] <Dude> filth_: i dont think the 177 works for me
[19:13] <DanaG> Black screen until you reboot -- renders suspend a moot point.
[19:13] <Dude> gnubie: ubuntu wont fix the 71 and 96?
[19:13] <DanaG> Can't.
[19:13] <DanaG> Don't you love closed-source hardware and software?
[19:13] <filth_> gnubie: why not
[19:13] <DanaG> s/you/you just/
[19:14] <Dude> but is there any way to set my refresh rate to max without the driver?
[19:15] <ArkoldThos> !intel
[19:21] <ArkoldThos> someone knows what i should do if i got a intel card to get 3d acceleration? :(
[19:24] <shiiizooon> The newest kernel version (2.6.27.7) of Ubuntu 8.10, crashed the "wl" driver for BCM4312??
[19:25] <aji_> Is FUSA (fast user switch applet) ready for use? Mine is booting whole computer
[19:27] <aji_> If i log on with first user donald and start firefox, then switch user to daisy and start firefox, and again switch to donald and again switch to daisy, display says "out of sync" and computer restarts! pretty weird :-D
[19:28] <chillout25m> hi. I just upgraded from hardy to ibex. I get an error regarding Bad Key when I update the packages. How will I get a new key?
[19:35] <morphir> quick question: is there a background image for the panel in 8.10?
[19:39] <michelecs> Hi! My webcam works great on Skype, but doesn't show anything if I use Cheese instead. Anyone got this problem (or the solution)?
[19:40] <ArkoldThos> michelecs: same here, no clue why :p
[19:40] <ArkoldThos> but here it doesnt show anything on kopete, using kubuntu :P
[19:41] <andresmh> is it safe to assume that because I have Intrepid up-to-date I have the best available drivers for my video card: Intel mobile 965 Express Chipset, X3100 integrated graphics?
[19:42] <andresmh> someone suggested i should install the intel drivers from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943 but the post is from 2007, so I am assuming whatever i have is newer?
[19:43] <michelecs> andresmh: Yes, you can suppose so. Just use the drivers already installed in your Intrepid. That means you don't need to do anything. They just work.
[19:43] <aji_> andresmh, do you have problems with your intel card?
[19:43] <aji_> andresmh, if you card works fine you should use driver that comes with newest build of intrepid
[19:44] <andresmh> i don't have any problems per se, but compiz runs very slow and someone was telling me that it could be the wrong drivers
[19:51] <PerfectExodus> Hey! what would cause 8.10 to hang on boot about every 3 times?
[19:56] <PerfectExodus> Anyone?
[19:56] <andresmh> PerfectExodus: do you mean it hangs only every 3rd time you reboot?
[19:58] <PerfectExodus> andresmh: yes, about every third time.  This morning, I turned my computer on and it hung when the ornage bar thing got to about the 3rd box. I turned it off, then back on and it worked fine.
[19:58] <andresmh> very strange!
[19:59] <andresmh> maybe your hard disk is having problems?
[19:59] <PerfectExodus> i should also say its on a laptop with a clean install
[19:59] <PerfectExodus> That could be it.  There was what seemed to be a "hardware error" which was displayed on the lcd panel but that went away after a restart...
[20:00] <SchneeSchwarz> PerfectExodus: try booting without "quiet" and "splash". Maybe you'll get a hint where it hangs.
[20:01] <PerfectExodus> how do i do that?
[20:03] <SchneeSchwarz> PerfectExodus: when GRUB displays it's menu, press 'e', navigate to the line starting with "kernel", press 'e', navigate to the end of the line and delete "quiet" and "splash", press return and 'b'
[20:03] <shane2peru> ok, working on an upgrade and it seems to have hung.
[20:03] <PerfectExodus> Ah! Thanks... ill trythat
[20:04] <shane2peru> it hung on this command:  * Starting powernowd...
[20:04] <unohu62> hello
[20:04] <SchneeSchwarz> PerfectExodus: Or, if the machine is already up and running, you can make the change permanent by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:04] <shane2peru> been there for about 10 minutes now, and it is only supposed to have about 2 min left
[20:04] <PerfectExodus> ill do that, thanks1
[20:04] <shane2peru> any ideas?
[20:05] <shane2peru> I don't want to kill the update process, and leave my laptop unbootable, any ideas for a hung upgrade process?
[20:06] <shane2peru> !upgrade
[20:07] <shane2peru> no ideas on upgrading to intrepid??
[20:09] <shane2peru> hmm, lot of action in here. :)
[20:10] <shane2peru> ok, has anyone successfully upgraded a hardy install to a Intrepid-rc?
[20:11] <PerfectExodus> I am going to try it tomorro... so far, clean installs are still having problems for me.
[20:11] <shane2peru> PerfectExodus: seems as though almost everything went well for me, however the powernowd thing has hung for me.
[20:11] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: I'd switch to another terminal and use ps or something to find out what is actually hanging.
[20:12] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: ok, I still have my desktop usable, all seems to be working, how to I do that with ps?
[20:12] <shiiizooon> The newest kernel version (2.6.27.7) of Ubuntu 8.10, crashed the "wl" driver for BCM4312??
[20:14] <shane2peru> ok, after running top, I have Xorg, conky chipcardd4 and intrepid that are all running
[20:14] <shane2peru> as well as pidgin, and gnome-terminal
[20:15] <shane2peru> what is chipcard?
[20:15] <shane2peru> never seen that before.
[20:15] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: In that case, you can use Gnome's system monitor and turn on dependencies. Look at what the upgrade process has started.
[20:16] <r3c0n> i just upgraded to intrepid but im experiencing issues with it =/
[20:16] <r3c0n> as an example sound in wine is rather choppy
[20:17] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: hmm, ok, I'm not seeing the dependencies thing
[20:17] <shane2peru> oh, found it
[20:20] <shane2peru> hmm, I don't see the update manager or anything related
[20:20] <shane2peru> it really only is lacking the cleanup and reboot.
[20:21] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: should I just reboot?
[20:21] <webmaren> hey i've got Kubuntu and every time I use anything involving sound, Phonon complains that my devices aren't working
[20:21] <shane2peru> I have a disk and can do a clean install if necesary, but would prefer the upgrade to finish what it started.
[20:22] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: Only if nothing else helps. What exactly did you do to start the upgrade?
[20:23] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: I did, "alt-f2" and this:  update-manager -d
[20:24] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: all seems to have run great, downloaded and installed, and has hung now on the powernowd startup
[20:24] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: Ah, you may have to make the system monitor display all processes, not just your own. Should be under "View"
[20:24] <shane2peru> I tried to manually start powernowd too, and it just hung.
[20:24] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: ahh, good point, let me check that out.
[20:26] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: yep just as I thought, powernowd is uninterruptible. :(  can I kill it via cli?
[20:28] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: Hm, might get difficult. You can try kill -9 <pid of powernowd>
[20:29] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: hmm, yeah, it isn't cooperating. :)  I think it has 9 lives, or more, worse than a cat.
[20:29] <Seren__> hi, under intrepid I have a flash 9.0 plugin and flash 10 plugin installed in firefox
[20:29] <orangey> hey all!
[20:29] <Seren__> do you know how to remove flash 9.0 ?
[20:30] <Seren__> I am not sure it should be there
[20:30] <orangey> Could somebody with bluetooth tell me if they see the "services" tab in the bluetooth applet?
[20:30] <orangey> It seems to be gone for me, and I'm wondering how widespread it may be, especially since other bug reports seem to have no problem finding this tab.
[20:30] <zeco> anyone else had problems with the keyboard layout in intrepid? [AltGr] seems to die in Gnome occasionally (don't know what triggers it, but it works in the console outside of Gnome (Alt+F2))
[20:31] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: I forgot the sudo, i. e. sudo kill... If that doesn't help, what's the process that startetd powernowd? Maybe you can kill that one.
[20:31] <scientus> why does the static ip i set up keep reverying to DHCP
[20:31] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: ha ha!  Got it, killed the process above it, and it told me that powernowd hung, but it is now continuing
[20:31] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: right, got it, thanks!!!
[20:31] <platius> Seren__; 64 bit?
[20:31] <Seren__> 32 bits
[20:31] <SchneeSchwarz> shane2peru: you're welcome
[20:32] <shane2peru> SchneeSchwarz: you just saved me some time and setup! it is rolling through now, and if I run into another problem, I know how to dig to the bottom of it!  Thanks again.
[20:32] <metranodee> I have an issue with Ubuntu 8.10 which I cannot solve :( I had to re-install now 12 times Ubuntu and I did submit a Bug Report. I was wondering if anyone here could assist me in getting back into GDM
[20:33] <mnemoc> metranodee: startx works?
[20:33] <orangey> metranodee: if that's your situation, probably you should remain with hardy until everything is worked out with intrepid.
[20:33] <ArkoldThos> someone is using Intel graphic cards with 3d acceleration?
[20:33] <metranodee> Negative the problem.... Is I have Two Geforce 8500GT Installed
[20:34] <metranodee> When I enable Nvidia Drivers 177.x
[20:34] <metranodee> That is after a complete upgrade and dist-upgrade
[20:34] <|Dreams|> any1 managed to get sound working in intrepid on a acer aspire laptop
[20:34] <metranodee> Upon reboot it drops me to the command line, I have attempted to dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver
[20:34] <metranodee> Upon reboot same situation, the only situation thus far has been to completely re-install Ubuntu :(
[20:34] <|Dreams|> the work around doesnt work anymore
[20:34] <|Dreams|> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[20:34] <dreamor> I need to upgrade to the beta to get support for my new P45 + ICH10R board.  I installed on an encrypted drive via 8.04 Alt CD and have DL the new 8.10 Alt, but there is not an upgrade option.  What is the proper way to upgrade?
[20:35] <shane2peru> metranodee: hmm, not sure about the details, but check up on that Nvidia Drivers, there are some known issues with them in Intrepid.
[20:35] <metranodee> Yep, I created a Bug Report on Launchpad. I was just wondering if any Ubuntu Gurus here knew a way to revert and get back into Gnome
[20:35] <metranodee> Without having to re-install Ubuntu completely againm
[20:36] <shane2peru> metranodee: scroll down to the bottom of this page:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[20:36] <shane2peru> to known bugs
[20:37] <metranodee> From what I understood this only affected older Video Cards? That were using other drivers than 177.x?
[20:37] <neztiti> guys how i can remove americas-army game
[20:37] <shane2peru> metranodee: ahh, ok, not sure, just happened to notice it was the Nvidia people. :)
[20:38] <metranodee> I get no screens found...
[20:41] <|Dreams|> stuff it going bk to hardy
[20:42] <dario> hi everyone i have some problems with knetworkmanager: it doesn't remember my wireless settings, i have to manually insert wpa key and other options every time in edit connections, is it the right behaviour? Is there a way to investigate the problem?
[20:44] <ArkoldThos> seems like nvidia and intel owners are going crazy
[20:44] <grayghost> You have a long way to go .... by the end of the month.
[20:44] <ArkoldThos> yup :)
[20:44] <ArkoldThos> hopely mine wireless works now, yahoo!
[20:45] <grayghost> when will the wireless be working in 8.10 ?
[20:45] <shiiizooon> yeah, mi wireless crash today
[20:45] <shiiizooon> =x
[20:46] <shiiizooon> when i was updating my system
[20:46] <shiiizooon> kernel 2.6.27-7
[20:55] <dario> hi everyone i have some problems with knetworkmanager: it doesn't remember my wireless settings, i have to manually insert wpa key and other options every time in edit connections, is it the right behaviour? Is there a way to investigate the problem?
[20:59] <joaopinto> grayghost, wireless is working in 8.10, at least as much at it is expected to be in the final :P
[21:03] <chadeldridge> Having a sound issue in 8.10.  My front panel buttons control the on screen sound display icon but they do not actually effect the sound.  As if they are not linked to the volume control.  The volume control itself works though
[21:04] <batti5> try PCM
[21:05] <batti5> you use kde or gnome?
[21:05] <chadeldridge> batti5:  yeah i just noticed that it is moving the bars on PCM but it isnt effecting my actual sound .. how would i link those together
[21:05] <chadeldridge> gnome
[21:05] <batti5> i dont konw gome
[21:05] <chadeldridge> moving that bar seems to really do nothing
[21:06] <batti5> do you have more then 1 card?
[21:06] <chadeldridge> actually you know .. its moving my CAPTURE bar .. and not the PLAYBACK bar, which is the entire issue
[21:06] <chadeldridge> no just the 1
[21:08] <batti5> i have two, only pcm & master mono & headpones work
[21:08] <ss4> in intrepid, anyone notice the sound recorder recording too fast then crashing completely?
[21:09] <batti5> master mono & headpones at the sametime, i dont consiter it a bug, but an extra
[21:09] <chadeldridge> seems my controls only move my recording bars and not my playback ones, not sure how to fix that
[21:10] <batti5> in kde i just select the master channel
[21:11] <batti5> it is also possible to move rec bars too i kmix
[21:12] <batti5> in gnome thare isent a "select master channel"?
[21:12] <batti5> button
[21:12] <chadeldridge> looking
[21:13] <batti5> when sound icon is selected from tray by left click
[21:14] <chadeldridge> humm .. i got it working now, but it appears I can only use sound through OSS .. alsa produces an error in the test screen
[21:15] <batti5> maybe alsa dont supports your card
[21:15] <chadeldridge> it should its a standard hda intel card
[21:15] <chadeldridge> dell xps m1710 laptop
[21:16] <batti5> or maybe alsa has a but
[21:16] <chadeldridge> ohh well ... sound is sound i dont care how i get it :D it works
[21:16] <chadeldridge> thanks a ton
[21:16] <konam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288863
[21:17] <esac> I am going to do a fresh install of RC. I want to dump a list of packages I have installed on 8.04 so that when I boot into 8.10 i can simply reinstall all of those apps. Any ideas how to do that?
[21:17] <konam> It seems that i'm the only one experiencing this :|
[21:18] <ali1234> does anybody know why network manager is adding default route and nameservers from every single connection i bring up?
[21:19] <chadeldridge> ali1234: looking at mine i dont think i am getting that
[21:19] <ali1234> when i connect my phone by usb0, it adds a default route and nukes resolv.conf
[21:20] <ali1234> of course my phone is not an internet connection. it is very annoying
[21:20] <chadeldridge> yeah my blackberry is not doing it, neither is my att card until i connect it
[21:20] <chadeldridge> is it just that phone ?
[21:20] <ali1234> no idea. phone has static config in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:21] <chadeldridge> what phone is it that placed itself as a network device ?
[21:21] <batti5> your haves abmodem?
[21:21] <batti5> modem
[21:21] <myk_robinson> hey. Just downloaded the new Azurues 4. How can i make a smybolic link that will work? I made one using ln -s, but take a look at the output when running from the symlnk i made in /usr/local/bin            http://pastebin.com/m44bf2aa5
[21:21] <joaopinto> my windows mobile device phone does that, since it's setup for usb networking by default
[21:22] <ali1234> chadeldridge: it's a htc wizard
[21:22] <ali1234> chadeldridge: running linux :)
[21:22] <chadeldridge> ali1234:  so it sets up as a tethered modem device ?
[21:22] <batti5> there are phones with modem
[21:23] <ali1234> chadeldridge: no i am running linux on the phone... devloping a kernel for it
[21:23] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, a link is not sufficient, you need a script which changes to the azureus directory, and then runs the launcher script
[21:23] <myk_robinson> joaopinto: can you help me with that?
[21:23] <joaopinto> ops, vuze
[21:23] <batti5> maybe the pc detects it and try to connect
[21:23] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, I am going to try to package it now
[21:23] <myk_robinson> thank you
[21:24] <King_Kickass> do you guys see any other computer in the network with 8.10?
[21:24] <myk_robinson> it runs fine when i run it from the untarred directory, but i want to be able to Alt+F2 to run it
[21:24] <chadeldridge> king_kickass:  yes windows and linux boxes
[21:24] <ali1234> i never had this problem on hardy... it would automatically bring up the interface without smashing the existing default route
[21:24] <chadeldridge> although smb mounting in 8.10 is fubar all to hell
[21:25] <ali1234> it's pretty annoying because i have to reboot a lot (due to working on kernel) and every time i have to reset my ethernet connection and reconnect to irc etc
[21:25] <ali1234> reboot the phone that is
[21:26] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, it will be available on getdeb, today or tomorrow
[21:26] <myk_robinson> joaopinto: got it.. I followed your advice and made a simple shetscript
[21:26] <myk_robinson> shellscript
[21:26] <ali1234> seems like the only way i can stop it is to disable network manager :(
[21:27] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, great :)
[21:27] <myk_robinson> thank you though, i will keep watch on getdeb. How do you package an app?
[21:27] <King_Kickass> with 8.10 I find no other machines in the network anymore and I have no clue why, great...
[21:27] <chadeldridge> king_kickass:  what kind of machines ?  windows ?
[21:28] <King_Kickass> neither ubuntu 8.04 nor vista
[21:28] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[21:28] <joaopinto> you need to read a lot ;)
[21:29] <myk_robinson> i think i'll keep my little script for now :)
[21:30] <grayghost> Why do I have to hold a keyboard key down to get 8.10 to boot ?
[21:30] <chadeldridge> grayghost: ???
[21:31] <grayghost> to boot the rc disk or my update to 8.10 on a HP laptop I have to hold any keyboard key down.
[21:32] <chadeldridge> grayghost:  you mean to boot to the cd initially?  or to actually start the OS boot procedure ?
[21:32] <grayghost> both.
[21:33] <chadeldridge> grayghost:  is this an upgrade from hardy or a fresh install ?
[21:33] <grayghost> the progress bar stops moving ... I touch a key and it moves
[21:34] <chadeldridge> grayghost:  its a known bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/272247
[21:34] <grayghost> it is an upgrade   ... but the CD is the same ... I downloaded two different CD's
[21:35] <grayghost> Ok ... I will wait for a fix.
[21:35] <grayghost> thanks
[21:35] <chadeldridge> seems to say if you boot with the nolapic option it works fine ... and should be fixed in next kernel release
[21:36] <chadeldridge> so test that out when you boot next time and if it works add it to your grub conf until the fix is released :_D
[21:36] <jamesish> I'm getting a lot of junk message filters failing messages with evolution and a new imap account I just added; I have it set to not check for junk settings, but I'm receiving hundreds of "Junk check failed pipe to bogofilter broken" errors.
[21:36] <myk_robinson> anybody having good luck with intel 3945abg yet? I just ordered an Atheros 5007 mini pcie to put in my laptop because this intel is driving me nutty
[21:36] <Curtis> how many updates will 8.10 have?
[21:37] <grayghost> the atheros will not work .
[21:37] <chadeldridge> curtis:  pkgs or feature updates ... pkgs there are tons of upgrades
[21:37] <myk_robinson> grayghost: i have gotten two laptops to work using the drivers here   http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
[21:37] <Curtis> okay
[21:38] <myk_robinson> intel seems to be having issues with the firmware
[21:38] <Curtis> how can i install need for speed carbon in ubuntu?
[21:38] <myk_robinson> grayghost: you having issues with Atheros?
[21:40] <chadeldridge> I have the 4965 agn and its working fine, but dont have the lesser card around to test with, they do often have issues with intel firmware though
[21:40] <Varth> My wifi died after the newest updates. Any ideas?
[21:40] <joaopinto> myk_robinson, Atheros 5007 is also a problematic card, at last judging from some bug reports
[21:40] <myk_robinson> chadeldridge: mine works, but drops the connection silently
[21:40] <grayghost> the Atheros worked fine up to 8.10  ...... lolks like everyone is having trouble
[21:40] <myk_robinson> dmesg always yields issues with firmware. I have updated the firmware and compiled the new driver daily to follow the progress
[21:41] <myk_robinson> grayghost: i think the trouble is using the stock drivers
[21:41] <Varth> I don't have any options relating to it in the system tray icon anymore, and wlan0 isn't listed in ifconfig output.
[21:41] <joaopinto> Varth, is it an atheros card ?
[21:41] <Varth> I was using an Atheros with 8.10, but it stopped working after the most recent updates.
[21:41] <Varth> Yes.
[21:41] <joaopinto> Varth, the bug description for todays update mentioned that you would need to install the -backport modules package
[21:42] <grayghost> previous to 8.10 there were no stock drivers  .... madwifi
[21:42] <joaopinto> that will get you the ath5k driver
[21:42] <Varth> Okay. THanks.
[21:43] <myk_robinson> grayghost: what i meant was whatever drivers the device driver manager thingy loads up
[21:43] <myk_robinson> but the ones from compat-wireless work very well
[21:43] <myk_robinson> this project includes drivers for several wifi chipsets
[21:43] <grayghost> I will try them.... do I have to remove anything first?
[21:43] <myk_robinson> much better driver for my usb belkin wifi
[21:43] <myk_robinson> not at all
[21:44] <myk_robinson> matter of fact, its real easy and if it doesnt work as expected, easy to remove and revert back to whats included with your kernel
[21:44] <joaopinto> Varth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/288148
[21:45] <myk_robinson> with the kernel's driver for my usb wifi, the signal strength reported falsely, showing everything at 100%. With compat-wireless drivers, everything shows up correctly
[21:45] <Varth> joaopinto: Gotcha. Thanks for the help.
[21:46] <myk_robinson> i got some emails from a guy working for intel that I am working with to help with the 3945 driver, but we get such varied results from one day to the next, i just decided i would buy a chip that I know works... Found the Atheros for $23USD at http://www.oxfordtec.com/us/MiniPCI-EXPRESS-Wireless/c42/p149/GIGABYTE-GN-WS50G--802.11-b/g-Atheros-AR5007-chipset-minicard-mPCI-express-card/product_info.html
[21:47] <shipwrecked> Hi, I was wondering if the Novatel U727 card for Sprint Wireless Broadband with work for Ubuntu?  I would really like to switch over and this is really my only hang up
[21:47] <myk_robinson> is there a standard wifi chipset that Dell typically uses? Just wondering if we'll see significant improvement since dell ships laptops with Ubuntu
[21:47] <filo1234> hi all i have a question, i have installed Ibex since alpha release, and i have displayconfig-gtk but apt-cache policy doesen't give me repos
[21:49] <filo1234> in a new instalation of ibex RC release tool displayconfig-gtk there isn't
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> right, it was removed due to extreme bugginess and unmaintained status
[21:49] <filo1234> is that get out of repos?
[21:49] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: ok
[21:49] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: thanks
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, no problem
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> It's really a sign that KDE and Gnome need to improve their display configuration tools, lol
[21:51] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: another curiosity....ibex run without xorg.conf  ??
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> it can be run without xorg.conf
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> though you can use an xorg.conf if you want
[21:51] <freaky_t> how can i add mp3 support in kubuntu intrepid ibex?
[21:52] <King_Kickass> ok, If I enter the exact path of a shared folder in nautilus, it gets me there, but the other computer itself is not shown under network, how do I change that
[21:52] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: ok but X configuration where is?
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> filo1234: it's autodetected unless specified in xorg.conf
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> freaky_t: installing libxine1-ffmpeg should do it
[21:53] <freaky_t> thank you
[21:53] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: ok sorry only another question.... there is a new command for reconfigure X??
[21:54] <freaky_t> is allready the newest verion JontheEchidna
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> filo1234: I don't think that has changed
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> freaky_t: mp3s should work then
[21:54] <Sonja> what do i type in terminal to prematurely update to the ibex?
[21:54] <freaky_t> JontheEchidna: doesnt in amarok
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> hmmm
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> freaky_t: is amarok-engine-xine installed too?
[21:55] <filo1234> JontheEchidna: sure but  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  don't exist on hardy ... and need to use X -configure and so on... on Ibex X -configure doesn't run ...
[21:56] <freaky_t> JontheEchidna: yes it is
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> weird
[21:57] <freaky_t> yea :(( what can i do?
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:57] <freaky_t> can anyone help me?
[21:57] <King_Kickass> you could proceed to an hero
[21:57] <freaky_t> thanks for your help JontheEchidna
[21:59] <freaky_t> it says no suitable demux plugin
[21:59] <freaky_t> "that often means that the file format is not supported"
[22:03] <sorush20> where do I find out about G3 internet for linux, specifically for Kubuntu
[22:07] <pwnguin> sorush20: g3 as in Apple Mac?
[22:13] <david_oc> Hi, I've got a problem that when I try to change brightness from the keyboard of my laptop it seems to mess up the keyboard mapping
[22:15] <m1dn1ght> Hey guys.  In hardy on a fresh install I used to have to run "gksu displayconfig-gtk" and manually adjust my resolution.  That command doesn't appear to work in intrepid - anyone got a clue where I might find the settings?
[22:20] <blackvd> anyone else having problems with screenlets loading since upgrading to ibex?
[22:24] <david_oc> meta-question - is this a good place to ask questions about possible Intrepid bugs?
[22:32] <Mac_Taylor> is ext4 in intrepid?
[22:36] <m1dn1ght> Hey guys.  In hardy on a fresh install I used to have to run "gksu displayconfig-gtk" and manually adjust my resolution.  That command doesn't appear to work in intrepid - anyone got a clue where I might find the settings?
[22:39] <LARefugee> Just loaded up a new update and my bluetooth headset still doesn't work. Get a little hiss though. Anyone have better luck?
[22:45] <joaopinto> LARefugee, someone mentioned today that bluetooth headsets are not working on the current kernel, it's a known issue
[22:56] <orangey> hey all.
[22:56] <orangey> I'm trying to play with bluez 4.12
[22:56] <orangey> but it looks like "Services" is no longer there.
[22:56] <orangey> what gives?
[22:57] <saxonjf> Looking for some help.  Anyone able to help with audio problems?
[22:59] <TheInfinity> just ask.
[23:00] <saxonjf> I have lost all sound, all sound drivers, and all sound plugins.  I have nothing.  Any idea what to do?
[23:00] <saxonjf> I am working with a good looking system, but no sound.  It sucks.  I live and die by streaming audio
[23:01] <bsnider> and how do you suppose this happened?
[23:01] <saxonjf> All I know is that I upgraded to Intrepid, and now there's nothing
[23:02] <bsnider> well sound drivers are in the kernel, so you certainly still have sound drivers
[23:02] <bsnider> actually not much has changed between hardy and intrepid in that regard.
[23:02] <saxonjf> I have searched via synaptic, and have gotten OSS drivers, and pulse audio stuff, nothing
[23:02] <bsnider> the pulseaudio version is the same
[23:03] <saxonjf> I think I was using the VIA drivers, and they've flat out disappeared
[23:03] <bsnider> via?
[23:04] <saxonjf> I think that's what it was.
[23:05] <saxonjf> When I try to open the volume control, there's an error saying there are "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:05] <bsnider> how did you upgrade?
[23:06] <saxonjf> Alt-F2, then Update Manager -d
[23:07] <saxonjf> The way recommended by Ubuntu
[23:07] <bsnider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7070cd4edee0cc7188832885858ad5fb&t=936696
[23:09] <saxonjf> Let me look at that
[23:09] <bsnider> i think the crux of the issue is that you've borked the upgrade
[23:09] <coppro> sudo sed s/hardy/intrepid/ </etc/apt/sources.list | sponge /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:11] <saxonjf> I went right off this webpage.  I did everything but back up my files (which I didn't lose) http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[23:11] <saxonjf> I followed those instruction
[23:11] <Pici> coppro: Thats not a good way to upgrade.
[23:11] <coppro> Pici: heh
[23:11] <coppro> err... I did dist-upgrade
[23:11] <coppro> but other than that, that's basically it
[23:12] <saxonjf> That doesn't help me with my sound issue
[23:13] <bsnider> your sound issue is because of the borked upgrade
[23:13] <joaopinto> saxonjf, have you tried a clean install ?
[23:13] <joaopinto> upgrades are known to be problematic
[23:18] <sabaua> hello
[23:19] <sabaua> can you join into hushmail or other similar java-based firefox-application?
[23:19] <sabaua> my firefox allways crashes :/
[23:21] <m1dn1ght> Hey guys.  In hardy on a fresh install I used to have to run "gksu displayconfig-gtk" and manually adjust my resolution.  That command doesn't appear to work in intrepid - anyone got a clue where I might find the settings?
[23:22] <coppro> try xrandr
[23:22] <[diablo]> evening... guys I have a virtual machine running Ibex... it has all the updates in /var/cache/apt ... can I copy that across to another box and dist-upgrade? reason I ask is that it is saying there is 0 updates :-\
[23:24] <coppro> [diablo]: did you change the sources.list to point to intrepid (or even better, use a supported upgrade mechanism? Once you have it saying it can update, then copying over should remove the need for a download
[23:24] <coppro> at least, as far as I understand apt anyway
[23:24] <[diablo]> coppro, the box I want to install the updates on has no internet access atm
[23:24] <coppro> [diablo]: oh
[23:24] <decafbad> http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shotac1.png     hi, here is a screenshot of my problem, cause I can't explain it. please take a look at gnome-panel at the bottom of screen. firefox' status bar is under tha panel
[23:25]  * [diablo] only has HDSPA
[23:25] <coppro> in that case, you will need to copy over the package list I think
[23:25] <coppro> forget where that is stored
[23:26] <coppro> ah, here it is
[23:26] <coppro> copy over the /etc/apt/sources.list and everything in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/lib/apt/lists/
[23:26] <coppro> that /should/ work
[23:26] <coppro> but back the things up first!
[23:26] <sabaua> can you join into hushmail or other similar java-based firefox-application?
[23:26] <[diablo]> mmm
[23:26] <sabaua> my firefox allways crashes :/
[23:27] <[diablo]> can I not just copy the cache and rebuild the cache list?
[23:27] <decafbad> sabaua: did you install GCJ or sun-java?
[23:27] <coppro> no, it does't work like that
[23:27] <shirish> hi all, my mouse has stopped working, any ideas other than restart or logging out to know what the issue might be
[23:27] <sabaua> sun java
[23:28] <coppro> shirish: no clue. that happens to me, and when it does, I just zap X
[23:28] <[diablo]> ok thank you coppro
[23:28] <shirish> coppro: zapx means what?
[23:29] <shirish> you restart X?
[23:29] <coppro> yeah
[23:29] <shirish> coppro: how?
[23:29] <sabaua> i have installed sun-java.. the latest, decafbad
[23:29] <coppro> shirish: control-alt-backspace. You will lose all your unsaved work though, because all X processes and their children will be killed
[23:30] <shirish> so better wait for couple of minutes
[23:30] <coppro> doing something right now?
[23:30] <m1dn1ght> coppro xrandr lists the available resolutions for me, but the max is 800x600 (as in the screen resolution window in preferences)...what I had to do in Hardy was open displayconfig-gtk, manually tell it my screen was lcd 1024x800 and then I was able to select higher resolution
[23:30] <coppro> m1dn1ght: oh. Hmm... don't know how to do that then :(
[23:31] <m1dn1ght> coppro no worries...I'll keep camping out here
[23:31] <m1dn1ght> should probably post in the forums too...
[23:33] <shirish> does anybody know if arora 0.4 is being built or not?
[23:35] <wgrant> shirish: Launchpad says no. Launchpad knows all. You should check Launchpad in future.
[23:36] <ircbin> Is it safe to install now Ubuntu 8.10 RC?
[23:36] <ircbin> I need to install Ubuntu to a friend and I don't know if I should install 8.04 or 8.10
[23:36] <shirish> wgrant: I usually check it, I hoped it would get in somewhere
[23:36] <shirish> is RC out?
[23:36] <ircbin> what do you recommend me?
[23:37] <wgrant> shirish: We are 5 days from release. Why on earth would we be putting in a new upstream version of some obscure application?
[23:37] <wgrant> shirish: RC has been out for 24 hours now.
[23:37] <blackvd> anyone else have their sound system wiped after last update?
[23:37] <shirish> wgrant: point taken
[23:38] <shirish> wgrant: any ideas to restart a mouse, mouse cursor doesn't hang
[23:38] <wgrant> I fail to see how a mouse not hanging could be considered a problem.
[23:38] <blackvd> its getting to the point that I don't want to update anymore
[23:39] <DanaG> Bluez 4.x is also causing lots of breakage.
[23:39] <shirish> wgrant: sorry meant the other way, what to do mouse cursor has hanged, doesn't respond.
[23:39] <DanaG> And nvidia 96 is broken... don't you just love closed-source hardware?
[23:39] <DanaG> =þ
[23:39] <shirish> wgrant: anyway to know what th eissue migh tbe.
[23:39] <shirish> might be
[23:40]  * DanaG ♥ nvidia..... NOT.
[23:40] <shirish> bbiaw folks
[23:40] <wgrant> shirish: Do things work if you plug/unplug the device?
[23:40] <shirish> wgrant: lemme check
[23:41] <shirish> yup, it worked after plugging and unplugging
[23:41] <shirish> thanx
[23:42] <wgrant> Please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:42] <shirish> wgrant: was that for me?
[23:44] <shirish> wgrant: http://pastebin.com/f1467f5d4
[23:52] <DanaG> Grr... stupid nv can't do resume from suspend, even with nv_bios module.
[23:52] <DanaG> [   24.540977] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PROM
[23:52] <DanaG> [   24.813510] ... BIOS signature not found
[23:52] <DanaG> [   24.813587] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PRAMIN
[23:52] <DanaG> [   24.869146] ... BIOS checksum invalid
[23:53] <shirish> ok guys, call it a night
[23:53] <DanaG> Fri Oct 24 15:53:30 PDT 2008
[23:54] <RAOF_> DanaG: You may wish to pop in to #nouveau if mjg is in there.
[23:56]  * DanaG gives nouveau another try...
[23:58] <ethana2> I see apport was removed before release...
[23:58] <ethana2> so...  when ubuntu goes into bugfix only mode....
[23:58] <ethana2> the easiest way to report bugs goes.. away?
[23:59] <ethana2> I remember this last cycle, only I didn't know what occurred and I was quite confused
[23:59] <ethana2> I'm like, wait, that app crashed, why didn't it give me the option to report it?!
[23:59] <filo1234> guys there is a command for reconfigure X from shell?
[23:59] <ethana2> that was quite frustrating for me