[01:23] <angusthefuzz> What happens if I determined that bug 288119 should be filed against gnome-panel-data but it isnt a choice.  Should i choose gnome-panel?
[01:24] <angusthefuzz> nevermind, answered my own question
[05:31]  * Woody86 is away: I'll brb, PM me or say my name
[05:31]  * Woody86 is back (gone 00:00:23)
[05:47] <RAOF> !away > woody86
[05:50] <woody86> RAOF- did my away message just come up again?
[05:52] <RAOF> Only once; I only just noticed it.
[05:53] <RAOF> And it's annoying, and you might not have known that it's considered rude.
[05:58] <woody86> RAOF- Yeah, sorry about that, someone else let me know, too. I just switched from ChatZilla to xchat, and I didn't realize that it broadcast your away message like that, I thought it meant marking you as away on all networks. My bad :(
[05:58] <woody86> I changed it, so no worries anymore, but thanks for the pointer :)
[06:24] <lifeless> we should really remove that option from xchat :)
[06:25] <ikt> which option?
[06:25] <maco> ikt: the one where it prints your /away blah blah blah to the channel
[06:25] <maco> ikt: and when you come back it says you're coming back and how long you were gone
[06:26] <ikt> o
[06:56] <thekorn> good morning
[09:49] <joaopinto> anyone with know-how to guide me into troubleshooting a non working sound input problem ?
[09:56] <elmargol> any ideas on bug #236602
[10:16] <seb128> elmargol: try seeing what it's calling
[10:16] <elmargol> http://bayimg.com/nAlKFaABJ <-
[10:16] <elmargol> seb128: how?
[10:17] <seb128> elmargol: strace?
[10:37] <elmargol> seb128: i'm looking at the source. f-spot uses something called fime fetcher
[11:16] <elmargol> sebner: on #f-spot they tell my I need gnome-session in order to get this working :(
[11:17] <elmargol> sorry sebner wrong nick
[11:17] <sebner> elmargol: np
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> coming from both #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-testing
[11:36] <BUGabundo_work> got a busybox with RC
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> using 64bits booting from pendrive
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> burned with usb-creator
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> any idea on how to get logs?
[11:38] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: I would suggest you boot again, choose language, then hit F6
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> then what?
[11:38] <james_w> then delete "quiet splash" from the kernel command line
[11:38] <james_w> and add break=top
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> I already removed splash and quite
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> I always do that
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> break top
[11:38]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting
[11:39] <james_w> then we need to do some sed, but I can't remember the file to target
[11:39]  * BUGabundo_work booting
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> it crashed even earlier
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> at 2.744 sec
[11:39] <james_w> I need to know what dirs are in the root from your prompt
[11:39] <james_w> busybox?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> with input: at translated
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> initramfs
[11:40] <james_w> if you've got a busybox prompt, that's not crashing, that's what break=top does
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> ah ok
[11:40] <james_w> it allows you to get a shell before anything happens
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> now what?
 I need to know what dirs are in the root from your prompt
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> that's why it only took 2.7 secs
[11:40] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work> ls it
[11:41] <james_w> yup
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work>  the /root is empty
[11:41] <BUGabundo_work> or did you mean / ?
[11:41] <james_w> yeah /
[11:41] <james_w> plain "ls"
[11:41] <james_w> is there a "scripts" dir?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> dev root bin conf etc lib sbin ...
[11:42] <james_w> ok
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> scripts init lib64 var usr sys proc
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> and tmp
[11:42] <james_w> ah, what's in scripts?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> yes there is
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> need and ls of it?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> init-mount init-top nfs-top nfs...
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> local-premount local dunctions casper-premount
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> init-bottom local-bottom
[11:43] <BUGabundo_work> casper-bottom casper casper-functions casper helpers lupin-helpers
[11:44] <BUGabundo_work> done james_w
[11:44] <james_w> there we go
[11:44] <james_w> sed -i '2a set -x' scripts/casper
[11:44] <james_w> enter that
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> humm here is ' on eng keyb?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> I have PT
[11:45] <james_w> " should work if you can find that
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> I did
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> its on º
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> and ' is on ª
[11:45] <james_w> it's a US keyboard I think, so it doesn't match mine either
[11:46] <james_w> once that command completed successfully type "exit"
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> it seems to be booting
[11:46] <james_w> and the boot will continue, but with even more messages, try and spot any errors
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> back to initramfs
[11:46] <BUGabundo_work> let me do a pgup to see
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> nothing there
[11:47] <amagee> hi.. i've never submitted a bug report to ubuntu before so i'm not really sure where to start.. but i'm trying to install 8.10 rc through the live cd and when i get to the partitioner, nothing comes up
[11:47] <james_w> no errors, or nothing?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> other then the usual "unable to enumerate usb port"
[11:47] <BUGabundo_work> nothing other then the usual boot stuff
[11:48] <amagee> is this an appropriate place to ask about that?
[11:48] <james_w> hmm
[11:48] <BUGabundo_work> no ERROR word around or FAIL
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: yes it is, can you quit ubiquity, and then open a terminal, then run 'ubiquity-gtk' and go through to the partitioner again
[11:49] <amagee> ok
[11:49] <BUGabundo_work> going back all the way to 42 sec I see nothing unusual
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: assuming you are installing Ubuntu, and not Kubuntu
[11:49] <amagee> yes
[11:49] <amagee> ubiquity is the installerL
[11:49] <amagee> installer?
[11:49] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: yeah, it won't necessarily have ERROR
[11:49] <james_w> amagee: yes
[11:49] <amagee> ok
[11:50] <james_w> amagee: you don't need to reboot or anything, just close it like a normal application
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> any more ideas james_w?
[11:50] <amagee> um there's no ubiquity-gtk, there's just ubiquity and ubiquity-dm
[11:50] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: the "unable to enumerate usb port" sounds like it could be it, as you are trying to boot from USB
[11:50] <james_w> amagee: one second please
[11:51] <amagee> ok
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> maybe
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> but I've always seen that
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I think it's the webcam
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I can boot up on regular ibex and check the log
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> I think I have a couple of them on some LP bugs
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: ill look at regular boot
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> with the break top
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> or it can be a BIOS bug
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> having the pen connected and choosing "boot from disk" fails
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> and gets back to Casper
[11:54] <james_w> amagee: ah, it is just "ubiquity", sorry
[11:55] <amagee> ok
[11:55] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: so just having the pen connected causes normal boot to fail?
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> no
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> it fails to boot from disk
[11:55] <amagee> ok so i'm at the 'prepare partitions' screen again
[11:55] <amagee> no output to the console
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> for some strange resson
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> my bios sees pendrives as disks
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> so you can only choose on to boot from
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> ok, I booted to my disk
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> and added break=top
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> how can I make it stop around 40 sec?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> to check for the USB enumerate?
[11:57] <amagee> btw it worked fine in beta 5
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> too fast for me
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> I'll have to see dmesg when it boots
[11:58] <james_w> amagee: did you get to choose Guided or Manual partitioning yet?
[11:59] <amagee> no
[11:59] <amagee> it says 'setting up partitioner', then i get to the list of partitions, but there are no partitions
[11:59] <amagee> and all the buttons are grayed out
[11:59] <amagee> if i press next it says "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[12:00] <james_w> ah, that's not quite what you said when you came in
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61928
[12:00] <amagee> if i press back it does nothing (!)
[12:00] <james_w> all the buttons are greyed out?
[12:00] <amagee> yep
[12:00] <amagee> new partition table, new partition, etc
[12:00] <james_w> ouch
[12:00] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: that's from a successful boot?
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> from my intrepid install
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> can't see any enumerate lines on the log
[12:01] <james_w> amagee: you don't have a "/dev/sda" Device?
[12:01] <james_w> or anything in the box?
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> bah
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> they are on the kernel log
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> pastin now
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61930
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> so that can't be it
[12:03] <amagee> james_w: what exactly do you mean
[12:03] <amagee> there are no devices listed in the bok
[12:03] <james_w> amagee: here in the large table in the middle I have in the Device column "/dev/sda", do you have anything in the table?
[12:03] <amagee> box
[12:04] <amagee> no, there's nothing at all in the table
[12:04] <BUGabundo> Oct 24 10:48:08 blubug kernel: [    3.965071] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[12:04] <BUGabundo> this is what I had on the pen boot too
[12:04] <BUGabundo> any more tips?
[12:04] <james_w> amagee: ok, are you just installing on to a normal hard drive, or is there anything odd about your setup?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> should I MD5 the pen install?
[12:04] <james_w> BUGabundo: definitely
[12:04] <BUGabundo> the iso md5 is valid. I always check
[12:04] <james_w> though I don't know how to do that.
[12:05] <james_w> BUGabundo: have you done the intergrity check from the boot menu?
[12:05] <amagee> james_w: um, a normal hard drive.. it has a fair few partitions already on it though
[12:05] <amagee> but as i said it worked fine in beta 5
[12:05] <BUGabundo> no I didn't
[12:05] <BUGabundo> /media/KINGSTON$ md5sum -c md5sum.txt > /tmp/md5rc
[12:06] <amagee> it's already got like 2x ext3, 2x ntfs and a swap
[12:06] <BUGabundo> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61931/
[12:06] <james_w> amagee: ok, i think you should file a bug on "ubiquity" with all of the information that you told me
[12:06] <BUGabundo> all OK
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> running out of ideas!
[12:07] <amagee> james_w: ok.. how exactly do i do that?
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> this is recent
[12:07] <BUGabundo_work> last week I booted fine
[12:08] <james_w> amagee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[12:08] <amagee> ubuntu-bug ubiquity?
[12:08] <james_w> or that, yes
[12:08] <amagee> is that better?
[12:08] <james_w> yeah, that's better
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: should I try the 32 bits version?
[12:09] <james_w> BUGabundo: you could do
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> will it do me any good?
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[12:09] <amagee> or since it's still running, ubuntu-bug PID
[12:16] <amagee> james_w: i've submitted the bug report.. thanks for your help
[12:16] <amagee> pretty impressed with the bug system :)
[12:17] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: new i386 image burned
[12:17] <BUGabundo_work> will reboot as soon as the 68 updates are instaled
[12:24] <johnflux> if I create a new bug, by default it sets the bug as "This bug doesn't affect me "
[12:24] <johnflux> which is rather strange
[12:25] <amagee> indeed
[12:25] <johnflux> why would I report a bug that doesn't effect me? :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> there's already a bug reported about that
[12:25] <johnflux> ha
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> I've filed bugs that don't affect me!
[12:26] <BUGabundo_work> its a choise
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> but of course the large majority I'm affected by then
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> *them
[12:29]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting to rc 32bits
[12:29] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: same busy box on i386
[12:30] <james_w> hmm
[12:30] <amagee> do bugs like mine usually get fixed quickly?
[13:22] <Rocket2DMn> why am I unable to view bug 288691 ?  I thought bugcontrol had access to private bugs
[13:24] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: private bugs can only be accessed by the reporter and the direct subscribers,
[13:25] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, alright.  I've been working on bug 285682 and the OP was able to file a bug through apport I guess, but I just can't look at it
[13:26] <Rocket2DMn> If I have him subscribe me to it, I will be able to view it then thekorn ?
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> or you can email the bug report, and ask the op to remove the private flag
[13:27] <Rocket2DMn> can the gvfs team view it?
[13:28] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not trying to break through the security, if it's private for a reason, then I'll leave it as so.  I was going to finish the triage on the initial bug anyway
[13:28] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: exactly, when the reporter subscribs you to the bugreport, you can access this one
[13:29] <Rocket2DMn> thanks thekorn , ill have him subscribe me.
[13:29] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: or wait a bit until the retracer adds ubuntuu-bugs as a subscription
[13:30] <Rocket2DMn> ahhhhhhh, i thought it was strange that i couldnt see it.  bugcontrol DOES have access to private reports right?
[13:30] <Rocket2DMn> I've always been able to see them in the search queries and access them
[13:34] <james_w> Rocket2DMn: no, bugcontrol gets no special access granted by LP.
[13:35] <james_w> Rocket2DMn: however, when apport retraces a bug it subscribes the crash bug triagers, of which bugcontrol is a member, so any member of bug control can view the bug.
[13:36] <Rocket2DMn> oic.  launchpad is one of those few things that i never bothered to learn the intracacies of
[13:45] <thekorn> Rocket2DMn: damn, I lost my connection, sorry, I hope your questions were answered
[13:47] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: can you take a look at bug 288617
[13:47] <james_w> why me>
[13:47] <BUGabundo_work> any more tests I can do to figure why my system won't boot from pendrive?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> james_w: because you have to fix everything!
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> eheh why not james_w?
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> Hobbsee: any tips are welcome
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> I want to file that report with as much acure intel as I can
[13:48]  * Hobbsee shrugs.  no idea
[13:49] <Treenaks> BUGabundo_work: does it boot from other pendrives? do other systems boot from the pendrive? it could be a hardware thing..
[13:50] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#Finding out why suspend or hibernate aren't offered
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> thanks james_w
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> Treenaks: haven't tried other systems today
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> ill use another pc here at work....
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> but they are slower machines and most of them 32 bits
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> on my laptop I've used 2 pendrives
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> from the same iso, both using usb-creator
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> even if it was HW
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> its strange it work all the way up to last week
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> Monday was the 1st day I noticed I couldn't boot from pen
[13:53]  * BUGabundo_work rebooting another PC to test i386 image
[13:53] <Rocket2DMn> thekorn, yes, thank you.  I'm running afk :)
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> Treenaks: what does "missing operating system" mean?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I've booted this PC just this week from clonezilla
[13:56] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: can you boot from CD?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> so I know it can boot from USB
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> bah... do I really need to burn media?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I only have DVDs here
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[13:56] <james_w> BUGabundo_work: that's probably a usb-creator bug, you need to run install-mbr /dev/sdb or whatever
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> I have an RW around
[13:57]  * BUGabundo_work burning DVD rw
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> doesn't burn to disc offer to format rw?
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> bah I'm starting to lose features
[15:56] <bdmurray> mvo: ping
[15:57] <mvo> bdmurray: pong
[15:58] <bdmurray> mvo: you were looking for some logs for a filed kde4 remix upgrade to Intrepid right?
[15:58] <mvo> bdmurray: yes
[15:58]  * BUGabundo_work booting via CD to check if usb-creater has a bug. wgrant james_w
[15:59] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 277285 has some but I upgraded yesterday without a problem
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> james_w: guess what?
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> "Reboot and Select proper Boot device"
[16:00] <BUGabundo_work> how can a CD not be recognised?
[16:00] <BUGabundo_work> actaully it's a DVD-RW but still...
[16:01] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, I check it out
[16:01] <mvo> bdmurray: one issue I found was that gobuntu-desktop causes trouble, but that is fixed now (fix is in the queue)
[16:02] <mvo> bdmurray: hmmm, thanks for this one, I have a suspicion
[16:02] <mvo> we really should just have kept the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package as a transitional package in the archive :/
[16:03] <bdmurray> mvo: kubuntu-kde4-desktop is quirked though right?
[16:03] <mvo> bdmurray: it is, however I believe that there is a corner case not covered
[16:03] <mvo> I test this theory now
[16:04] <bdmurray> mvo: okay thanks, let me now as I've found a couple of likely duplicates
[16:05] <mvo> will do, takes ~10min
[16:08] <jibel> mvo: bug 277389 is also a duplicate with some log files if it helps
[16:11] <bdmurray> heh bug 288746
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> booting via CD seems to not fail as did pendrive wgrant james_w
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> who is the guy behind usb-creator?
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> I have a new bug for him
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: now to try suspend to ram from livecd
[16:23] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: suspend works with RC LiveCD
[16:30] <mvo> bdmurray, jibel: thanks, I can reproduce it now and I'm in the process of fixing it
[16:31] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, so bug 277285 should be the master?
[16:31] <mvo> bdmurray: yeah, sounds good
[16:31] <mvo> thanks a lot for brining this up
[16:31]  * mvo hugs bdmurray
[16:35] <bdmurray> mvo: no problem, I'll be interested to see what was going on and the fix
[16:39] <bdmurray> oh Launchpad you big tease
[17:02] <mvo> bdmurray: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/revision/1146?start_revid=1146 <- this should fix it, I'm testing it right now
[18:02] <woody86> is there any way to remove a comment from LP?
[18:05] <greg-g> woody86: If you feel it is inappropriate content/spam you can email the launchpad-users mailing list (http://lists.ubuntu.com).
[18:05] <bdmurray> I think answers is the right way to go
[18:05] <greg-g> ah
[18:06] <greg-g> I have only seen it on the lp-users list,  so that is what I think of
[18:07] <woody86> greg-g-  well I kind of made a silly mistake, I had 2 bugs open in tabs next to eachother, and I minimized them for a little bit while I was looking some info up, and I accidentally left the comment on the wrong bug :P
[18:11] <bdmurray> see https://answers.launchpad.net/malone/ for examples
[18:27] <stpere> someone can tell me where should I go to fix a translation error in jockey?
[18:28] <stpere> launchpad tells me :  This project is not configured to use Launchpad for translations.
[18:28] <nellery> stpere: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+translations
[18:34] <stpere> I typed the name of the program "jockey" into the search box at the top of tha page, it found it, I clicked on "Help translate" and it told me that the project wasn't configured to use Launchpad for translations
[18:35] <stpere> and trying to find the template name where nellery you shown me is very slow
[18:35] <stpere> because they are sorted by importance and I can't sort it by name
[18:55] <persia> stpere, The difference is that upstream jockey doesn't use LP for translations, but the jockey in Ubuntu does, so you'll have to do it the awkward way.  Someone in #launchpad might have a better idea of how to navigate to what you want.
[21:27] <marmuta> hi, I'm trying to assign my bug to an Ubuntu source package but can't figure out how
[21:28] <marmuta> the project search returns only the standalone project "onboard"
[21:29] <marmuta> what would I enter as project to link it to ubuntu source package onboard?
[21:29] <afflux> marmuta: nothing. Use "also affects distribution"
[21:31] <marmuta> yay, thank you afflux, it worked!
[21:31] <afflux> you're welcome
[23:42] <angusthefuzz> what is the triage protocol if bug creators cant provide information because they downgraded distros?
[23:47] <bdmurray> try to recreate the bug
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> i thought of that but its hardware specific
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> bug 287866
[23:48] <angusthefuzz> its grossly incomplete as well
[23:49] <bdmurray> Maybe give it some time and see if anyone else comments on it or ask them to test with a Live CD.
[23:50] <persia> Might be a good idea to wait until after intrepid release : the debug information may still be useful for jaunty, and more users may have that device.
[23:51] <angusthefuzz> okay, thanks for the help
[23:52] <calc> anyone know how i switch to the guest user in intrepid, i need to test a bug with it