[12:20] <cjwatson> evand: can you upload usb-creator ASAP? I just realised there's lots of stuff backed up there
[16:07] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I found a virtual machine (from sometime this week) in the same state as bug 288479 - would the log files from it be helpful?
[16:13] <cjwatson> bdmurray: please
[16:42] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I'ved added syslog is that sufficient?
[16:49] <cjwatson> bdmurray: should be
[16:49] <cjwatson> can't get to LP at the moment FROM MILLBANK. argh
[17:46] <cjwatson> evand: I think I have a much better set of fairly safe optimisations; for me it brings it down from 18 minutes to 5 minutes
[17:46] <cjwatson> which is still a lot but it's better
[17:57] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2921 ubiquity/scripts/install.py: better (and more correct!) blacklist optimisations
[18:28] <holst> busy bees here :)
[18:49] <persia> I just did an install on a machine that aleady was dual-boot vista/intrepid.  migration wizard asks me about importing settings from Windows, but not from the other Intrepid install (machine will be triple boot).  Is this a bug?
[18:55] <holst> lol
[18:55] <holst> maybe its called "migration" by a reason
[18:56] <holst> but it would be nice to backup your old /home and stuff
[18:56] <persia> holst, That's why I asked, rather than just filing a bug :)
[23:24] <superm1> evand, I've been trying to preseed an all inclusive list of languages so that there is not any removed when doing a DVD install.  it seems that by doing this, incomplete-language-support-gnome's update-notifier note keeps getting triggered.  would this possibly be because of these -extra ones: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62226/ ?
[23:25] <superm1> and if so, will those be destined for entering main and on the DVD livefs?
[23:26] <persia> superm1, While this doesn't answer your question, I believe they are specifically in universe to keep them off the CDs, although I may be misterpreting when reading between the lines of IRC traffic.
[23:27] <superm1> persia, well it looks like they are marked as "Suggests" for their main packages
[23:28] <superm1> if that was the argument for them, I think it would still have been sensible to have them in main and on the DVD livefs still
[23:28] <superm1> I'm still not sure if they're what would be triggering this incomplete language support
[23:28] <persia> superm1, Like I said, I might be misinterpreting.
[23:35] <superm1> I'm not really sure if this is the "right" way to find the list of packages that go on the DVDs, since it spits out such a large result
[23:35] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62237/
[23:36] <superm1> but I figured that should cover everything based on what the seed is matching: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.intrepid/annotate/1369?file_id=dvdlive-20080214004143-ufrdyo921dmq6t16-1
[23:38] <persia> wouldn't examining the manifest and list files give you a more correct picture of what happened to be on the DVD the day it was built, rather than what happens to be in the apt-cache you're polling?
[23:39] <superm1> that's probably a good idea
[23:39] <superm1> well this apt-cache was from an up to date intrepid, so i was assuming it would be close to accurate
[23:41] <persia> Perhaps close, but not necessarily the particular combination of apt-cache state at the time of livefs creation + the possibly slightly different state at the time of pool construction.
[23:41] <superm1> well the pool wouldn't matter though - it's just the things in the livefs I'd think
[23:42] <superm1> in any case i'll grep the manifest and match it up there
[23:42] <persia> (factoring in that the buildds don't have network access, so there's a delay)
[23:42] <persia> I think for non-remove you only care about the livefs, but you might pull from the pool if it's required for one of the selected installer options (depends on your preseeding).
[23:43] <superm1> well passing that same long awk/grep command on the manifest i still get 411 languages
[23:43] <persia> I know langpacks on the desktop CD sit in pool/ and get installed after livefs copy.
[23:44] <persia> That's close to the number that would be registered in the relevant ISO standard (639?)
[23:46] <superm1> well actually i guess i'm not counting duplicates with that
[23:46] <superm1> let me mess with this a little more then
[23:47] <superm1> in any case, evand if you have any recommendations on what is triggering that, i'm all ears
[23:55] <superm1> more or less this is the list it comes up with on manifest then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62245/
[23:58] <persia> superm1, You may find http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_utf-8.txt interesting by comparison.  Perhaps many of those are empty?
[23:59] <persia> (or have only a small number of translated strings)