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| ian_brasil | someone know how to find out what was installed in an upgrade? | 02:10 |
|---|---|---|
| ian_brasil | i upgraded when i left for work this morning and it has killed my wireless on aspire one | 02:10 |
| ian_brasil | and i want to track down what did it | 02:10 |
| * ian_brasil looks through apt docs | 02:11 | |
| StevenK | ian_brasil: dpkg has a log in /var/log | 02:12 |
| ian_brasil | StevenK: thx | 02:55 |
| pururu | cool, Urban Terror work on aspire one, but fps is not playable, and i set everything to low already... any tweaks? 360 fps in glxgears | 05:08 |
| ethana2 | Does netbook have a channel yet? | 08:47 |
| ethana2 | http://i35.tinypic.com/inbix2.png | 08:47 |
| ethana2 | I'm one window-picker-applet feature away from perfection | 08:47 |
| ethana2 | ethana2@gmail.com | 08:50 |
| ethana2 | ..i think i'll restart my X session to see if it'll help pidgin with the facebookchat plugin .deb I just installed | 08:50 |
| smp4488 | anyone awake? | 09:17 |
| persia | smp4488, Lots of people. | 09:18 |
| smp4488 | ahh i havent talked to you in a while whats up? | 09:18 |
| persia | RC just released. It's time for agressive testing to identify if there are any remaining release-critical issues before the images go for mastering. | 09:19 |
| smp4488 | really! are they up for download? | 09:19 |
| persia | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc | 09:21 |
| smp4488 | sweetness | 09:21 |
| smp4488 | now that a full ubuntu image right? | 09:22 |
| persia | Well, there's lots of flavours of Ubuntu. MID and Mobile are on the download page. These are live USB images. Test them as you like, or install them if you like. | 09:27 |
| persia | If you find any bugs, please file them. It helps a lot to improve it. | 09:27 |
| smp4488 | can i load the live usb images into the moblin image creator? | 09:29 |
| persia | I don't think so. | 09:30 |
| smp4488 | hmm | 09:31 |
| persia | You might be able to, but it probably requires significant modification of moblin image creator. | 09:31 |
| smp4488 | Will the MID flavour fun on x86? | 09:31 |
| persia | moblin image creator is no longer used by either Ubuntu MID or Ubuntu Mobile, and the images certainly weren't tested with it. | 09:31 |
| smp4488 | so what are you all using now? | 09:32 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageCreation | 09:33 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageModification is probably more interesting if you're just looking for small changes. | 09:33 |
| smp4488 | im downloading the images now and i will test tonight and let you know | 09:34 |
| smp4488 | this project looks better and better everyday | 09:34 |
| smp4488 | who knows may be i will pull my touch screen out of my car to test further | 09:37 |
| persia | touch screen support was one of the things that should be better for this image. There's still work to be done, and some stuff that didn't make intrepid, but I suspect you'll find it to be supported. | 09:38 |
| smp4488 | what are you all looking at as far as gps? | 09:39 |
| persia | I don't know that anyone is chasing GPS specifically for the mobile flavours (and my GPS USB key doesn't seem to work). | 09:39 |
| persia | I've heard good things about gpsdrive, but the interface seems to take up a lot of pixels. | 09:40 |
| smp4488 | i will probably give that a look tonight | 09:40 |
| persia | Any suggestions or testing or integration patches would be welcome, although I suspect it would be ideal to have a solution that worked well for both laptops and smaller stuff. | 09:40 |
| persia | Thanks! | 09:40 |
| smp4488 | which flavour would you reccomend for a car pc? 1.2 ghz processor, 1 G of RAM? | 09:40 |
| smp4488 | i have looked into navit also but had problems with my gps reciever also | 09:43 |
| persia | I'd probably suggest Mobile for a carpc, because of work to make it work with touch-interfaces, combined with fairly robust support for additional applications. | 09:44 |
| smp4488 | sounds good i will let you know | 09:44 |
| persia | MID does touch well, but it expects applications to work with hildon, and represents a slightly different philosophy about things, so adding arbitrary packages doesn't always have the expected results. | 09:45 |
| davmor2 | superm1: ping | 09:48 |
| persia | davmor2, You might have more luck in #ubuntu-devel :) | 09:49 |
| smp4488_ | sorry my internet went down for a sec | 10:02 |
| smp4488_ | how quick do you think i can get this to boot? | 10:07 |
| smp4488_ | well when i say "this" i meant mobile | 10:08 |
| persia | I don't know if anyone has done any boot-time testing. Should be able to get it down to 30-40 seconds easily. More than that probably requires a bit of work. | 10:08 |
| smp4488_ | im thinking compact flash | 10:08 |
| persia | In my experience, /boot on CF only saved a couple seconds over disk. | 10:11 |
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| pururu | how to disable windows auto-maximize and return normal captions to them? | 10:51 |
| pururu | mm s/captions/titles+menus | 10:52 |
| * pururu uses area of effect "rise of the dead" spell level 3 | 10:57 | |
| pururu | and openarena is slow on aspire one | 10:58 |
| pururu | any optimizations for xorg beyond EXA ? this thing dosnt make any difference, probably just enabled by default | 11:01 |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| ogra_ | pururu, -mid or -mobile ? | 11:08 |
| pururu | mobile | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | go to applications->system->settings->sessions and uncheck devilspie in the list, on next login your windows wont automaximize anymore | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | (and have decorations) | 11:09 |
| pururu | cool thanks | 11:09 |
| asac | ogra_: so the browser uses the minefield icon in the taskbar :/ | 11:17 |
| asac | btw, wpa works oob here on Q^1 | 11:17 |
| pururu | midbrowser menu still missing, i forget how to bring preferences dialog | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | pururu, f4 i think | 11:17 |
| asac | yes f4 is menu | 11:17 |
| pururu | thanks | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | we'll likely go with fennec or firefox with grab'n drag plugin in jaunty | 11:18 |
| StevenK | \o/ | 11:18 |
| amitk-afk | lool: please check the commits after -4.8 at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.git;a=shortlog | 11:23 |
| amitk-afk | lool: I am picking up relevant config changes from base kernel too | 11:23 |
| amitk-afk | lool: this is the rebased tree btw (rebased to -7.14 base) | 11:23 |
| * asac installs fennec on Q1 | 11:24 | |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:25 |
| asac | ogra_: i have to say that the ubuntu image is quite nice | 11:26 |
| asac | ogra_: only big issue imo is the window taskbar | 11:26 |
| asac | thats not right that way for sure ;) | 11:26 |
| asac | you cannot read anything because of space constriants | 11:26 |
| asac | also when hittin the X in right top corner while having keyboard open will just close the app you had open | 11:26 |
| asac | (which is not what users expect) | 11:26 |
| * persia is also confused by the keyboard, and doesn't use it. | 11:27 | |
| asac | hehe | 11:27 |
| asac | yeah. well it happened now three times: typed with great pain ... then closed the app instead of the keyboard | 11:27 |
| asac | tripling the pain when you notice that you just closed what you typed :/ | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | yeah, cellwriter needs some love for jaunty but i the end its just a matter of adapting your habit | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | you will only do that once or twice, then you start using the cellwriter icon to expand/collapse ;) | 11:29 |
| asac | ogra_: we should use fennec right away now ;) | 11:29 |
| asac | location bar is confusing a bit ... yeah. but not really bad | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | asac, if you get that past slangasek i'm willing to change the seeds :) | 11:29 |
| asac | at least not worse than the side window panel and the keyboard | 11:30 |
| ogra_ | though i'd prefer a dumbed down FF UI with grab'n drag | 11:30 |
| asac | ogra_: slangasek ... better not. he didnt even let plain mobile 3G data in 4 days ago | 11:30 |
| asac | e.g. provider info updates | 11:30 |
| amitk-afk | would you guys hate it if we switched to vesafb module? base kernel already did the switch. | 11:30 |
| asac | well ... he finally did it, but he didnt say: "approved", but ... no. data shouldnt land that late | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | note that most of the devices mobile is run on ship with vista by default ... at least thats what i learned about UMPCs | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | so there is really no point to have to ship fennec | 11:31 |
| asac | ogra_: ok. but that gives us a chance to convince them | 11:31 |
| asac | e.g. just be far better and even the vista addicts will understand | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | fully functional FF is surely better | 11:31 |
| amitk-afk | persia: seeing any problem with uvesafb? would switching to vesafb at this stage be desirable? | 11:31 |
| asac | ogra_: yeah. lets also reduce the font size | 11:31 |
| asac | to 6pt | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:32 |
| asac | ok ... so enough live stuff. how do i install? | 11:32 |
| StevenK | asac: Mobile, or mid? | 11:32 |
| asac | mobile | 11:32 |
| StevenK | asac: There's an Install icon on the desktop | 11:32 |
| asac | i am running the live session | 11:32 |
| * asac closes his mobile terminal ;) | 11:32 | |
| persia | amitk-afk, There were a number of users who complained that uvesafb completely failed to work for them. Unless you want the headache of tracking it, I'd recommend aligning with mainline as much as possible. | 11:33 |
| StevenK | asac: :-) | 11:33 |
| asac | the install icon appears in tasklist ... then disappears (apparently because it takes too long) ... 5 seconds later the installer starts | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | get a faster USB key :P | 11:33 |
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| asac | hmm ... somehow it looks like half of the window is hidden under the panel | 11:34 |
| StevenK | It isn't | 11:34 |
| asac | (which isnt true, its just a visual pretention) | 11:34 |
| asac | StevenK: yes. it just looks that way and might cause confusion (like for me) | 11:34 |
| asac | i should look like its in-front not in back imo | 11:34 |
| amitk | persia: I'm all for it, pushed the config changes enabling vesafb as module. just wanted to make sure it would be ok to switch to vesafb by default | 11:34 |
| StevenK | That's because mozilla sourcecode has eaten your retinas | 11:34 |
| asac | or a tiny border where you can see abit of the desktop color in between | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | asac, thats because of compiz and its shadows | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | i might revisit that for jaunty | 11:36 |
| asac | hmm this timezone selector is unusable with a stylus | 11:36 |
| ogra_ | actually i would have loved to use maximus, but that only works with metacity | 11:36 |
| StevenK | Try it with a tiny screen | 11:36 |
| asac | hehe selected Berlin and the map now show the arctis ;) | 11:36 |
| asac | install started | 11:38 |
| ogra_ | play a round of aisle riot then :) | 11:39 |
| ogra_ | takes 15min | 11:39 |
| asac | hehe | 11:39 |
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| asac | we really have to find something better for the window selector | 11:39 |
| asac | the desktop looks so neat | 11:39 |
| asac | but that thing really dominates the first impression | 11:40 |
| ogra | well, i was planning to hack up wnck applet to show big icons and no text | 11:40 |
| ogra | with a gconf key | 11:40 |
| asac | ogra: big==? | 11:40 |
| asac | like the panel iconS? | 11:40 |
| ogra | adapted to the panel size | 11:40 |
| persia | That sounds a lot better. The selector on the left is non-ideal for several sorts of uses. | 11:40 |
| ogra | the sidepanel is 80px ... the icons should at least be 60x60 | 11:41 |
| ogra | the current prob is that wnck expands the first button to full panel size, thats odd | 11:41 |
| ogra | the buttons should have a fixed size and not shrink with the amount of apps | 11:42 |
| asac | ogra: its a deficieny of the gnome panel | 11:42 |
| asac | they never understood how to display entries in vertical panels | 11:42 |
| ogra | well, wnck applet ... | 11:42 |
| asac | like they always grow verticalls | 11:42 |
| asac | y | 11:42 |
| ogra | other applets do it right | 11:42 |
| asac | i would love to use a side panel on my main desktop, but i dont want the elements scale vertically | 11:42 |
| asac | they should just stack and expand horizontally | 11:43 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:43 |
| ogra | for intrepid i wanted to go mainly with unchanged gnome and get enough feedback for proper jaunty changes | 11:44 |
| asac | ogra: sure. this is a gnome bug imo | 11:44 |
| ogra | but wnck applet is definately on my list | 11:44 |
| asac | either nobody cares about side panels for window tasks or the folks thinking that this way is the right way are on crac | 11:44 |
| asac | k | 11:44 |
| lool | amitk: What should I check in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.git exactly? You mean this is ready for sponsoring? | 11:44 |
| asac | but then maybe its my obligation to fix this finally - i have been waiting for that since 2.4 or something | 11:45 |
| ogra | asac, i'll care in jaunty | 11:45 |
| ogra | beating upstream with cluebats :) | 11:46 |
| asac | ogra: the window task list in gnome? | 11:46 |
| asac | that would be so great | 11:46 |
| asac | i can easily read 40 windows if its vertical and properly | 11:46 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:46 |
| asac | at the bottom its unusable for everything > 10 windows (on a large screen) | 11:46 |
| ogra | not if you set it to grouping mode | 11:47 |
| asac | ogra: grouping mode is even worse | 11:47 |
| ogra | which we should have on by default imho | 11:47 |
| asac | i want to see _all_ windows with their title readable | 11:47 |
| asac | grouping just requires another click | 11:47 |
| asac | but i understand people that like grouping more | 11:47 |
| asac | for me the windows on the task list should be stacked and not grouped, but ordered by application ... so that all ffox windows are directly next to each other | 11:48 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:48 |
| amitk | lool: no. I am just pushing every commit I make to fix configs after rebasing. | 11:48 |
| asac | but well ;) ... next cycle i will just overtake the desktop experience team | 11:48 |
| asac | that brought to us this great log out experience :) | 11:49 |
| lool | amitk: Ok; you're just asking for early review, and will call for sponsoring later AIUI? | 11:49 |
| amitk | lool: specifically, look at the config changes - tcp, ath5k, vesafb | 11:49 |
| ogra | asac, haha | 11:49 |
| amitk | lool: correct. to avoid any surprises | 11:49 |
| * lool pulls | 11:50 | |
| amitk | lool: all configs changes are in line with base kernel. I didn't bother to turn on ext4 though | 11:50 |
| ogra | ext4 is on o_O | 11:50 |
| ogra | ?? | 11:50 |
| lool | CONFLICT CONFLICT CONFLICT blah :-( | 11:50 |
| ogra | brave ... | 11:51 |
| asac | hmm ... what is this "mine" thing in the tray | 11:51 |
| asac | hmm a second volume switcher? | 11:51 |
| amitk | lool: just look at the web interface | 11:52 |
| asac | oh i its brigthness ;) | 11:52 |
| amitk | ogra: it is on in base kernel | 11:52 |
| ogra | asac, lol | 11:52 |
| lool | I've just used git reset --hard origin | 11:52 |
| ogra | asac, i was wondering what you were talking about before ... | 11:52 |
| lool | amitk: Good thing that you're prefixing tags with LPIA now | 11:53 |
| amitk | lool: yeah, it was getting confusing for me. | 11:53 |
| lool | Well it was required since you were importing a tree with the same version numbers for the source package, but pointing at different objects | 11:53 |
| lool | Hmm | 11:54 |
| lool | I think I invented a new way to make me grab useless stuff, crap | 11:54 |
| lool | amitk: I take it that the config changes you're doing are mirrored on the corresponding linux config changes? | 11:56 |
| amitk | lool: yes, except for ext4. Didn't bother with it for lpia | 11:56 |
| lool | I'd still argue that I can't review properly what changed between lpia uploads, but what you did since the last linux uploads looks ok | 11:56 |
| lool | amitk: was vesafb enabled in RC. | 11:57 |
| asac | ogra: cant you add the fta PPA to seeds ;) | 11:57 |
| lool | s/.$/.? | 11:57 |
| lool | I mean in linux in RC | 11:57 |
| amitk | lool: rebasing kills that history unfortunately. After this upload, no more rebases - only merges | 11:57 |
| ogra | asac, haha, i doubt the image builders would like that | 11:57 |
| amitk | lool: yes, vesafb is default in RC | 11:57 |
| lool | Ok | 11:58 |
| lool | amitk: So what I see is that you a) rebased b) fiddled lpia tree maintenance scripts c) mirrored most config changes which happened in linux; I'm fine with this | 11:58 |
| amitk | good. Lets see what the test build says. | 11:59 |
| lool | amitk: Do you push to ppa? | 11:59 |
| lool | Ah no, I guess it's slow | 11:59 |
| amitk | lool: no, local build | 11:59 |
| asac | drumrolls ... "restarting now ..." | 11:59 |
| amitk | 89..90..91 degrees! | 12:03 |
| asac | oh no ... i installed fennec and now its gone after install :( | 12:06 |
| asac | thought livecd would keep what i install there | 12:06 |
| asac | ogra: so the password i used during install doesnt allow me to sudo su :( | 12:11 |
| ogra | huh ? | 12:11 |
| ogra | it should | 12:11 |
| asac | in fact it doesnt work at all | 12:11 |
| ogra | typoed ? | 12:11 |
| asac | most likely. but i am almost 100% sure that i typed "test" | 12:11 |
| ogra | works fine here | 12:12 |
| ogra | i use sudo all day on mobile | 12:12 |
| persia | asac, Nope. It's an intentional feature that user changes to the live session are dropped on install. | 12:12 |
| ogra | heh | 12:12 |
| asac | persia: err. i was asked for a password in the installer | 12:12 |
| asac | that isnt there anymore :( | 12:12 |
| asac | and its not empty | 12:12 |
| asac | (like it was in the live session) | 12:12 |
| asac | persia: so what is the default password? is there any? | 12:12 |
| ogra | no | 12:12 |
| ogra | mobile just creates an ubiquity user | 12:13 |
| asac | persia: oh. i think you referred to fennec from above | 12:13 |
| ogra | with the credentials you give it during install | 12:13 |
| asac | *sigh* ... one more install then | 12:13 |
| ogra | is it using the user you created ? | 12:14 |
| persia | asac, That's bug #287857 | 12:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287857 in kourou "Ubiquity prompting for step 5 in --automatic mode on Ubuntu MID RC image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287857 | 12:14 |
| ogra | persia, mobile .... | 12:14 |
| persia | asac, Just don't enter a password. | 12:14 |
| ogra | asac, or are you testing mid now ? | 12:14 |
| asac | ok | 12:14 |
| asac | no mobile | 12:14 |
| asac | persia: i cannot not enter a password | 12:15 |
| StevenK | persia: Mobile asks for the username | 12:15 |
| asac | the installer doesnt enable the next button | 12:15 |
| ogra | mobile should work exactly as desktop | 12:15 |
| persia | Oh, right. any password should work. | 12:15 |
| asac | persia: it doesnt here | 12:15 |
| asac | persia: i used "test" | 12:15 |
| asac | and now i cannot become root anymore | 12:15 |
| * persia is very confused | 12:15 | |
| asac | well ... not anymore.. i cannot become root at all | 12:15 |
| asac | doing a new install | 12:16 |
| asac | now | 12:16 |
| asac | ok ... doing nothing, but hitting the "install" | 12:16 |
| asac | i can only emphasize that the timezon selector is broken ;) | 12:17 |
| asac | ok ... entire disk ;) | 12:18 |
| asac | ok i think i know what was going on | 12:19 |
| asac | this stupid Q1 num lock thing | 12:19 |
| asac | triple checked that its not on ... installing ;) | 12:20 |
| asac | lets see in 15 minutes | 12:20 |
| ogra | heh | 12:20 |
| * ogra is relieved | 12:21 | |
| asac | hmmm plenty crashes | 12:44 |
| * asac upgrades | 12:44 | |
| asac | it it known that the Q1 cursors dont work, but "up" is F1? (-> Help) | 12:45 |
| asac | cursor-keys | 12:45 |
| asac | too bad that Q1 has no 3g ;) | 12:46 |
| asac | ogra: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/cool.gif ;) | 12:51 |
| ogra | asac, whats that ? | 12:56 |
| asac | ogra: ffox3 ;) | 12:56 |
| asac | err 3.1 | 12:56 |
| ogra | heh | 12:56 |
| asac | -moz-transform CSS style | 12:56 |
| * ogra wonders about the usecase :) | 12:56 | |
| ogra | if you have a really broken sight, use ff 3.1, it can fix up your strabismus :) | 12:57 |
| asac | ogra: not sure ... animated html elements? | 12:57 |
| asac | err 3d html elements i mean | 12:57 |
| asac | but its not really 3d ... just transformed | 12:57 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:57 |
| ogra | not actualy useful for text elements | 12:58 |
| ogra | but might open intresting opportunities for non text | 12:58 |
| asac | ogra: i think its a bug that the location bar disappears sometimes here in fennec when scrolling vertically | 12:59 |
| asac | also those folks should _stop_ thinking that mac style is the world | 12:59 |
| asac | this grey is just ugly imo ... similar ugly as the mac ffox | 13:00 |
| ogra | yeah | 13:00 |
| asac | http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/firefox-3-themes.jpg | 13:00 |
| asac | mac is the worst imo | 13:01 |
| ogra | wow, they all have that ugly button layount now ? | 13:02 |
| ogra | only linux doesnt | 13:02 |
| persia | We win :) | 13:02 |
| ogra | yeah | 13:04 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch | ||
| ogra | asac, is there any way to tell NM to look for a network connection on startup if its not configured yet ? | 13:11 |
| ogra | i think it does that on the liveCD ... it doesnt seem to in the mobile image | 13:11 |
| ogra | i have to click the icon an select a network manually before installing | 13:12 |
| asac | ogra: which essid should NM use? | 13:37 |
| asac | if there are many? | 13:37 |
| asac | (which is the usual case nowadays) | 13:37 |
| ogra | the one with the strongest signal ? no idea | 13:37 |
| ogra | i just know it did try to connect by default in former releases | 13:38 |
| lool | asac: I don't think it's easy; what I mentionned instead is that ubiquity should poke about network status if it likes to use the net and NM says there's none at this point | 13:38 |
| ogra | currenty the installer is unhappy if there is no net | 13:38 |
| lool | Perhaps not ubiquity itself, but the underlying screen/whatever | 13:38 |
| ogra | we dont have a ship seed on the images so we dont have langpacks locally | 13:38 |
| asac | lool: right. the installer should honour online/offline status | 13:39 |
| ogra | which means it relies on having a connection up | 13:39 |
| lool | I don't think we can expect NM to connect to random nets | 13:39 |
| asac | exposed by NM | 13:39 |
| lool | asac: Yup | 13:39 |
| asac | it could also present its own AP selector | 13:39 |
| asac | and start the connection through dbus | 13:39 |
| ogra | i would like an option in the face of the user if it doesnt have a connection up | 13:39 |
| asac | lots of things possible ;) | 13:39 |
| ogra | its easy to miss that you are not connected atm | 13:39 |
| asac | i should dump firefox and go for NM only ;) | 13:40 |
| ogra | heh | 13:40 |
| asac | NM installer wizard ;) | 13:40 |
| asac | lool: i think mvo said that the he is working on online/offline for 9.04 | 13:40 |
| lool | Excellent | 13:44 |
| smp4488_ | is the usb image writeable? | 13:47 |
| ogra | smp4488_, no but you cn install packages to it | 13:48 |
| ogra | *can | 13:48 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageModification | 13:48 |
| ogra | well, or do other things ... the script gives you a writabe mode inside the image | 13:49 |
| amitk | StevenK: -4.9 kernel is usual location for upload. ABI bump due to xfs ignored. | 13:49 |
| amitk | lool: ogra: ^ | 13:49 |
| smp4488_ | so anything i do booted from the usb cant be saved | 13:49 |
| StevenK | amitk: \o/ ! | 13:49 |
| lool | amitk: noted | 13:49 |
| lool | amitk: StevenK is jumping on sponsoring | 13:50 |
| StevenK | amitk: The .orig is still uploading? | 13:51 |
| StevenK | Ah, yes | 13:51 |
| StevenK | I don't need it | 13:51 |
| amitk | StevenK: yeah... sorry I delete it by mistake. Then realised that you _might_ need it. | 13:52 |
| StevenK | amitk: Uploaded | 13:54 |
| lool | YEAH \o/ | 14:17 |
| lool | StevenK: Can you kick a daily image build when it's ready? | 14:18 |
| === crevette_ is now known as crevette | ||
| StevenK | lool: Probably not, since that will likely be 2am | 14:19 |
| * ogra will do that | 14:22 | |
| ogra | lool, i assume that doesnt include fixed traslations yet ? | 14:22 |
| lool | ogra: Perhaps check if it's ok with release team | 14:22 |
| ogra | will do | 14:22 |
| lool | ogra: You mean kourou updates? | 14:22 |
| ogra | yeah | 14:22 |
| lool | kourou wasn't uploaded yet AFAIK | 14:22 |
| * ogra suspects just importing xdg.Locale might help | 14:23 | |
| ogra | fiddling with that atm | 14:23 |
| StevenK | I don't think I even had to do that | 14:23 |
| ogra | err, so is it fixed ? | 14:23 |
| lool | I'm installing in French | 14:26 |
| ogra | ok, i'll stop poking that then | 14:26 |
| elegos | hello there | 14:34 |
| elegos | I've got a question: I've got an Eee-PC | 14:34 |
| elegos | what shold I do to fully enable functions and eventually fix problems after a fresh installation? | 14:35 |
| smp4488 | im getting a kernel panic with mobile usb: not syncing vfs | 14:35 |
| elegos | should* | 14:35 |
| persia | elegos, There's some EeePC docs on the wiki, but I'm not sure how much they are based on Mobile vs. Desktop. What's not working? | 14:37 |
| persia | smp4488, That's unexpected. At what point in the cycle? | 14:38 |
| lool | I get translated .desktop names in kourou after an install in French | 14:39 |
| lool | Perhaps I didn't install the langpacks due to network issues last time | 14:39 |
| persia | Hurrah! | 14:39 |
| elegos | persia: dunno, the computer is of my girlfriend and, having troubles with ubuntu-eee, I wanted to find her an alternative | 14:40 |
| lool | I'll invalid that bug | 14:40 |
| persia | elegos, Hrm. Most of it should just work. I've heard of issues with WiFi on some models, where installing linux-backports-modules was a workaround. | 14:40 |
| StevenK | lool: \o/ | 14:40 |
| StevenK | lool: The other two bugs are fixed locally | 14:41 |
| persia | Anyone have an Eee who could help elegos with understanding what might not work? | 14:41 |
| lool | StevenK: The %k and %i as well? | 14:41 |
| lool | Cause I was about to test my fixes | 14:41 |
| elegos | persia: what about EeePC 701 with Atheros card? | 14:41 |
| StevenK | lool: Yes | 14:41 |
| lool | You added a lambda? | 14:42 |
| StevenK | lool: I'm plotting crashing, but I can push my branch | 14:42 |
| lool | Please push; we need to get these changes uploaded and approved ASAP | 14:42 |
| lool | (and tested evidently) | 14:42 |
| persia | ogra, Do you know if the 701 was one of those that needed lbm? | 14:42 |
| ogra | persia, popey had to install lbm on a 700 iirc | 14:43 |
| StevenK | lool: This is untested stuff | 14:43 |
| elegos | what is LBM? | 14:43 |
| lool | linux backports modules | 14:43 |
| lool | a package | 14:43 |
| elegos | ok | 14:43 |
| ogra | elegos, it is in the image in the /debs dir | 14:43 |
| ogra | you can install it manually after an installation | 14:44 |
| elegos | and what about tweaks needed by a standard 8.04 installation? | 14:44 |
| ogra | oh, you talk about standard | 14:44 |
| * ogra thought he talked about mobile | 14:44 | |
| elegos | yes I know | 14:44 |
| elegos | I'm speaking about the differences | 14:44 |
| ogra | no idea about standard ... | 14:44 |
| ogra | mobile uses a different desktop layout and themeing | 14:45 |
| elegos | i.e. graphics card boosted, shutdown issue (not shutdowing), Atheros WiFi card | 14:45 |
| elegos | (madwifi drivers) | 14:45 |
| ogra | the athreos card will be handled by lbm | 14:45 |
| ogra | i'm not aware o any shutdown issues | 14:45 |
| ogra | *of | 14:45 |
| ogra | since the eee has a intel 965 graphics card it should just work | 14:45 |
| === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 | ||
| elegos | I know about this project: http://www.array.org/ubuntu/index.html | 14:46 |
| ogra | just try out the mobile image, its a live image | 14:46 |
| elegos | since now it handles a custom kernel for eeePC | 14:46 |
| elegos | ok | 14:46 |
| ogra | you can test if it works from USB key | 14:46 |
| elegos | I'll try | 14:46 |
| ogra | if you see issues, tell us | 14:46 |
| elegos | the site says the standard intrepid kernel should have enabled by default these modules: | 14:47 |
| ogra | all i know is that mobile should just work ... apart from a wifi issue thats fixed with the lbm package | 14:48 |
| elegos | atl2 module (weird card) ath5k module (wireless card), uvcvideo module (webcam) | 14:48 |
| ogra | right | 14:48 |
| ogra | but ath5k is broken ... thats why you need lbm | 14:48 |
| elegos | ok so just that package | 14:48 |
| ogra | it shps a fixed ath5k | 14:48 |
| elegos | it's a good stard :) | 14:48 |
| elegos | start* | 14:49 |
| StevenK | lool: Pushed | 14:49 |
| elegos | what about hotkeys and frontmic? | 14:49 |
| ogra | just try it :) | 14:49 |
| ogra | no idea | 14:49 |
| elegos | ok :P | 14:49 |
| elegos | many thanks | 14:49 |
| ogra | http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ | 14:50 |
| ogra | mobile is there | 14:50 |
| lool | StevenK: To where?! | 14:50 |
| lool | StevenK: Don't see any change in lp:kourou | 14:50 |
| StevenK | Oh, bugger | 14:50 |
| StevenK | Hang on | 14:50 |
| lool | It's basically something like: repl = lambda matcho: sub_desktop_codes(matcho, desktop = path) | 14:50 |
| lool | cmd = re.sub(r"%[a-zA-Z%]", repl, cmd) | 14:50 |
| lool | But I odn't know what to use, it's not "path" | 14:50 |
| lool | It's probably self.model[path].mething | 14:51 |
| StevenK | Once you put it into the model | 14:52 |
| elegos | last question: how can I import on an USB pendrive the image using MacOS? | 14:52 |
| * ogra doesnt know if macos has dd | 14:52 | |
| persia | elegos, You'll probably have to use dd (assuming Mac OS X). | 14:52 |
| ogra | there are instructions on the above page | 14:52 |
| elegos | yes, MacOS X (32bits) | 14:52 |
| persia | sudo dd if=$(mobile image) of=$(pendrive device) bs=1024 | 14:52 |
| ogra | look fo the image writing guide | 14:53 |
| elegos | dd does exist on MacOS ^^ | 14:53 |
| persia | I don't remember how MacOS X does device handling. Ask back if you get stuck, and I'll go boot that machine. | 14:53 |
| ogra | link is in the middle somewhere | 14:53 |
| elegos | p.s. do I need to do anything else after that command? I mean... any custom partitioning, any boot settings? | 14:55 |
| ogra | no | 14:55 |
| elegos | ok thanks | 14:55 |
| ogra | just follow the guide and you should be good | 14:56 |
| persia | elegos, Be aware that the command I suggested will overwrite the USB key. You probably have to reformat it to use it for anything else. | 14:56 |
| elegos | that's not a problem :) | 14:57 |
| elegos | ah, another question: the base system how many GB do it use? | 14:57 |
| elegos | does* | 14:57 |
| StevenK | 2, or so | 14:57 |
| elegos | thanks | 14:57 |
| elegos | and is it included openoffice or something like that? | 14:58 |
| StevenK | Yea | 14:58 |
| elegos | thanks :) | 14:58 |
| StevenK | lool: *Now* it's pushed | 14:58 |
| elegos | /dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/ELEGODATA (msdos, local, nodev, nosuid, noowners) <======= this should be the device... do I have to umount it before? | 14:59 |
| StevenK | elegos: Yes | 14:59 |
| lool | StevenK: That works? | 14:59 |
| elegos | thanks | 15:00 |
| StevenK | lool: I don't know if it works | 15:00 |
| lool | It's not coming up | 15:01 |
| lool | I'm trying again | 15:01 |
| lool | StevenK: No home screen anymore... | 15:01 |
| * ogra had that before | 15:02 | |
| ogra | black screen ? | 15:02 |
| lool | ogra: Well I get hte marquee | 15:02 |
| lool | So some python traceback on load | 15:03 |
| ogra | right | 15:03 |
| ogra | but no kuourou | 15:03 |
| ogra | kuorourouroou | 15:03 |
| ogra | uuu | 15:03 |
| lool | StevenK: rather than map + lambda, consider [x for y] | 15:03 |
| StevenK | lool: Yeah, you'll have a traceback in .xsession-errors | 15:03 |
| lool | Oh indeed; didn't scroll high enough | 15:04 |
| lool | File "/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/kourou.py", line 155 | 15:04 |
| lool | p = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True) | 15:04 |
| lool | ^ | 15:04 |
| lool | SyntaxError: invalid syntax | 15:04 |
| StevenK | What did I screw up? | 15:04 |
| StevenK | Oh, duh | 15:04 |
| lool | You didn't close your sub_desktop_codes() | 15:05 |
| StevenK | Missing closing bracket on the previous line | 15:05 |
| lool | But I'm pretty sure it doesn't work | 15:05 |
| StevenK | Why not? | 15:05 |
| lool | Trying with a bracket | 15:05 |
| lool | StevenK: Because that calls sub_desktop_codes() at the time where you name it | 15:06 |
| lool | It doesn't create an anonymous function | 15:06 |
| StevenK | What do you suggest? | 15:07 |
| lool | What I pasted earlier here | 15:07 |
| lool | Cool, works fine | 15:08 |
| lool | pushing | 15:09 |
| lool | StevenK: lp:~lool/kourou/fix-anonymous-func-and-bracket | 15:09 |
| StevenK | I think I just fixed it too | 15:10 |
| smp4488__ | how can i install from the usb drive if i booted from the live cd? | 15:10 |
| lool | StevenK: Did you test it? | 15:10 |
| StevenK | lool: Nope | 15:10 |
| ogra | smp4488_, ? | 15:10 |
| lool | StevenK: So please merge mine instead; I tested it | 15:10 |
| ogra | smp4488_, you need to boot from the usb key | 15:10 |
| smp4488__ | i cnat boot from the ubs drive i cant run the noacpi command | 15:11 |
| lool | StevenK: Can you please release and upload? | 15:11 |
| elegos | sudo dd if=ubuntu-mobile.img of=/dev/disk2s1 bs=1024 | 15:12 |
| elegos | dd: /dev/disk2s1: Operation not supported | 15:12 |
| elegos | what's wrong with it? | 15:12 |
| lool | elegos: What's your OS? MaxOSX? | 15:13 |
| elegos | yes, MacOS X 10.4.1 "Leopard" | 15:13 |
| lool | elegos: Are you 100% confident it's the pathname to the USB key? | 15:13 |
| lool | elegos: Make sure you unmount it too | 15:13 |
| elegos | 10.5.5* | 15:14 |
| lool | elegos: It's probably just /dev/disk2 | 15:14 |
| elegos | I've tried that too | 15:14 |
| lool | elegos: But make damn sure it's the USB key | 15:14 |
| lool | Don't wipe your hd | 15:14 |
| elegos | lol | 15:14 |
| lool | elegos: So perhaps it's something else, no idea | 15:14 |
| elegos | /dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/ELEGODATA (msdos, local, nodev, nosuid, noowners) <=== it was mounted before | 15:14 |
| elegos | ls /dev | grep disk | 15:15 |
| elegos | disk0 | 15:15 |
| elegos | disk0s1 | 15:15 |
| elegos | disk0s2 | 15:15 |
| elegos | disk0s3 | 15:15 |
| elegos | disk1 | 15:15 |
| elegos | rdisk0 | 15:15 |
| elegos | rdisk0s1 | 15:15 |
| elegos | rdisk0s2 | 15:15 |
| elegos | rdisk0s3 | 15:15 |
| elegos | rdisk1 | 15:15 |
| elegos | uhm <.< | 15:15 |
| elegos | I think it was COMPLETELY unplugged it | 15:15 |
| elegos | had* | 15:15 |
| elegos | damn macos :P | 15:15 |
| lool | elegos: Do you have mount/umount? | 15:15 |
| lool | elegos: Plug in, umount and try disk2 or rdisk2 | 15:16 |
| elegos | sudo umount /dev/disk2s1 | 15:16 |
| elegos | umount: unmount(/Volumes/ELEGODATA): Resource busy | 15:16 |
| lool | IIRC rdisk is just the raw version which doesn't eat your RAM | 15:16 |
| StevenK | lool: We independly wrote the same code | 15:16 |
| lool | elegos: Close any open windows in the file browser | 15:16 |
| lool | StevenK: Push and I'll confirm then | 15:16 |
| elegos | can't close Finder :P but I can go away from it | 15:16 |
| elegos | maybe it's the desktop icon? | 15:16 |
| StevenK | lool: Pushed | 15:17 |
| === persia_ is now known as persia | ||
| elegos | W umount -f | 15:18 |
| smp4488 | how do i boot noacpi for the usb image? | 15:18 |
| lool | StevenK: Yup, matches | 15:18 |
| StevenK | lool: Told you :-) | 15:18 |
| lool | StevenK: So release and upload would be nice; last important milestoned bugs | 15:18 |
| lool | For us | 15:18 |
| elegos | what FS is the UM image? | 15:18 |
| StevenK | elegos: VFAT | 15:19 |
| persia | elegos, VFAT | 15:19 |
| elegos | hanks | 15:19 |
| elegos | thanks | 15:19 |
| smp4488 | noapic option? | 15:25 |
| lool | StevenK: So as I was saying earlier, at your convenience you might want to replace map(lambda x: x.lower(), dentry.getOnlyShowIn()) with [x.lower() for x in dentry.getOnlyShowIn()] | 15:26 |
| * StevenK prefers map :-P | 15:26 | |
| persia | smp4488, Just enter an alternate kernel command line at the grub prompt within the 5-second window. | 15:29 |
| ogra | smp4488, or mount the usb key on another machine and edit syslinux.cfg | 15:30 |
| lool | persia: itz hard to type on Q1U!!1! | 15:31 |
| lool | I'd love to have the same menus as the desktop's ISO | 15:31 |
| persia | lool, Attach a keyboard or get a different UMPC :p | 15:31 |
| smp4488 | none of the kernel options will work | 15:31 |
| ogra | lool, wireless kbd ftw :) | 15:31 |
| smp4488 | i get kernel not found | 15:31 |
| persia | smp4488, Are you entering the full command line? It's just a grub prompt. | 15:31 |
| lool | persia: You also need to know about the actual command line to type | 15:32 |
| lool | Oh grub prompt | 15:32 |
| persia | lool, True. Menus are easy for Jaunty. | 15:32 |
| ogra | thats why i said edit syslinux.cfg :) | 15:32 |
| smp4488 | i dont think it is a grub prompt all i get is boot: | 15:32 |
| persia | editing syslinux.cfg means no using the target keyboard (good for lool) | 15:32 |
| lool | smp4488: If you're booting from USB key, either edit syslinux.cfg or type its content on the boot: prompt | 15:33 |
| persia | Oh, right, it's not a grub prompt. It's a syslinux prompt. | 15:33 |
| lool | smp4488: Otherwise, from a grub menu, press "e" on the kernel line and add some options | 15:33 |
| smp4488 | anything i type in the prompt i get kernel not found | 15:33 |
| ogra | really, edit syslinux.cfg | 15:34 |
| smp4488 | with what option just noapic? | 15:35 |
| ogra | no idea, whaever you wanted to add | 15:35 |
| ogra | mount the key on a desktop, edit syslinux.cfg and add what you want | 15:35 |
| smp4488 | because i can get the live cd to boot with the noapic under the settings | 15:36 |
| ogra | so why do you think you need it for the usb key ? | 15:36 |
| ogra | its the same kernel | 15:36 |
| smp4488 | the usb image is the mobile image and the cd is the full | 15:37 |
| ogra | full ? | 15:37 |
| smp4488 | full ubuntu install | 15:37 |
| ogra | there is no difference apart from desktop layout and theme | 15:37 |
| ogra | mobile just has a different UI setup | 15:37 |
| ogra | the app selection is the same | 15:37 |
| smp4488 | yea but i want the inital setup without the extra bulk | 15:38 |
| ogra | apt-get remove ubuntu-mobile-default-settings after install ... then reboot | 15:39 |
| smp4488 | no i want the mobile ui | 15:40 |
| ogra | ?? | 15:40 |
| ogra | you just said you dont | 15:40 |
| ogra | what do you call extra bulk then ? | 15:40 |
| smp4488 | no i have the mobile image on usb and the full ubuntu install on cd | 15:40 |
| ogra | there is *no* difference apart from ubuntu-mobile-default-settings | 15:40 |
| smp4488 | i can boot the cd with noapic option but i cant with the usb drive | 15:40 |
| lool | amitk: ^ | 15:40 |
| persia | smp4488, Did you try editing syslinux.cfg? | 15:40 |
| lool | smp4488: Which mobile image is this? | 15:40 |
| lool | smp4488: mid or mobile? | 15:40 |
| StevenK | lool: Kourou 0.9-0ubuntu1 uploaded | 15:40 |
| lool | StevenK: Kool, thanks | 15:41 |
| smp4488 | persia: im working on that now | 15:41 |
| lool | StevenK: Sleep well, and have a nice WE | 15:41 |
| smp4488 | lool: the mobile image | 15:41 |
| persia | smp4488, It's probably just the differences between isolinux and syslinux then. | 15:41 |
| amitk | smp4488: what hw is this? | 15:41 |
| lool | amitk: Nevermind; I thought it was lpia/i386 delta in config | 15:41 |
| lool | But that was an overly quick judgment | 15:42 |
| ogra | smp4488, ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img ? | 15:42 |
| persia | It's just bootloader differences | 15:42 |
| smp4488 | its an intel x86 | 15:42 |
| ogra | smp4488, this image ? | 15:42 |
| smp4488 | orga: yes that it | 15:42 |
| ogra | well, i dont see why it wouldnt boot | 15:43 |
| StevenK | lool: Needs to be accepted by a member of -release, though | 15:43 |
| ogra | persia, its the same bootloader, syslinux == isolinux | 15:43 |
| ogra | they just use different filesystems but are internally the same | 15:44 |
| smp4488 | ok i changed the syslinux.cfg | 15:44 |
| ogra | smp4488, where exactly does it hang ? | 15:44 |
| ogra | or how ... | 15:44 |
| smp4488 | i get a kernel panic right after the boot screen | 15:45 |
| ogra | a kernel panic or do you end up in a busybox shell ? | 15:45 |
| lool | StevenK: Does it fix german? | 15:45 |
| StevenK | lool: Yes | 15:45 |
| lool | ogra: Can you try it out? | 15:45 |
| ogra | lool, will do, as soon as my german install finished | 15:45 |
| lool | ogra: Don't hide, we know you're german | 15:45 |
| ogra | just pulling the langpacks | 15:45 |
| lool | ogra: Ok, thanks | 15:46 |
| ogra | :P | 15:46 |
| smp4488 | now im getting acpi aborted because of junk in compressed archive(i asume because of the syslinux.cfg edit) | 15:46 |
| lool | ogra: Then we'd need to tell the release team about it | 15:46 |
| ogra | right | 15:46 |
| smp4488 | then i get crc error and a kernel panic not syncing unable to mount root fs | 15:46 |
| ogra | i suspect it affects other langs as well | 15:46 |
| ogra | smp4488, that really sounds like a corrupted image | 15:46 |
| ogra | how big is your usb key ? | 15:47 |
| smp4488 | 1 gig | 15:47 |
| * ogra hasnt tried with 1Gig but it should suffice | 15:47 | |
| ogra | how did you write it to the key ? | 15:47 |
| smp4488 | with the disk image utility | 15:47 |
| persia | which disk image utility? | 15:48 |
| ogra | which one ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting this one ? | 15:48 |
| smp4488 | yea but i used the command line | 15:48 |
| smp4488 | is there an iso for the mobile image? | 15:49 |
| ogra | no | 15:49 |
| ogra | only the img | 15:49 |
| ogra | if you do: md5sum ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img | 15:49 |
| ogra | do you get 0a6c824e3236bba21c37e729690f995d as return value ? | 15:50 |
| smp4488 | i have to run inside im out in the garage right now | 15:50 |
| ogra | all your errors look like the image or the usb key are broken | 15:51 |
| ogra | hrm | 15:51 |
| ogra | there he goes | 15:51 |
| smp4488_ | sorry | 15:51 |
| ogra | ah, youre still here :) | 15:52 |
| smp4488_ | im quick | 15:52 |
| smp4488_ | 0a6c824e3236bba21c37e729690f995d ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img | 15:53 |
| smp4488_ | is what i got | 15:53 |
| smp4488_ | so yes it matches | 15:54 |
| ogra | looks fine | 15:54 |
| smp4488_ | i am at a loss this boots on my macbook fine | 15:54 |
| ogra | same usb key ? | 15:54 |
| smp4488_ | yea but i did try to make changes on my laptop but they never saved | 15:55 |
| smp4488_ | think i may have messed something up? | 15:55 |
| lool | It could hang in the bios if you had written to partition instead of to disk, but that's not where it hangs | 15:56 |
| lool | smp4488_: Could be lack of hw support; what's your hw again? | 15:56 |
| smp4488_ | its a via motherboard x86 | 15:56 |
| lool | Ah you said Ubuntu works on it though | 15:56 |
| lool | So no idea really | 15:56 |
| smp4488_ | yea | 15:56 |
| ogra | lool, german mid install ... same prob by default | 15:57 |
| smp4488_ | i have tried disabling acpi in the bios also, no luck | 15:57 |
| ogra | no kourou | 15:57 |
| lool | Ok; and with bzr kourou? | 15:57 |
| ogra | how much ram does your laptop have ? | 15:57 |
| smp4488_ | a gig and so does the pc | 15:57 |
| ogra | no reason then | 15:58 |
| smp4488_ | like i said the cd only boots with the noapic | 15:58 |
| lool | Oh, and you didn't manage to pass it to usb? | 15:59 |
| lool | smp4488_: You need to pass in the full cmdline plus noapic, or you need to edit syslinux.cfg to add it | 15:59 |
| smp4488_ | no and editing syslinux.cfg creates errors on startup | 15:59 |
| lool | Your editor might be messing up things perhaps? | 15:59 |
| ogra | lool, which branch ? | 15:59 |
| smp4488_ | hmm how would i boot totally from the command line? | 16:00 |
| * ogra sees 4 branches | 16:01 | |
| smp4488_ | branches? | 16:01 |
| ogra | smp4488_, unrelated to your prob | 16:02 |
| ogra | :) | 16:02 |
| ogra | lool, ^^^ | 16:02 |
| smp4488_ | thought so, what does bs=1024 mean at the end of the image creation? | 16:02 |
| ogra | make sure the blocks are written in the proper size to not have corruption during write | 16:03 |
| persia | blocksize. It seems the larger one makes this, the less likely the image is to be corrupt. | 16:03 |
| persia | Personally, I use 1024k, but that eats RAM. | 16:03 |
| ogra | 1024 is a proper value | 16:03 |
| smp4488_ | so that has nothing to do with it | 16:03 |
| ogra | well, you should use it | 16:04 |
| smp4488_ | i just re wrote the image lets go test it out | 16:04 |
| ogra | else your image might be corrupt | 16:04 |
| smp4488_ | ok | 16:04 |
| ogra | so you have to bribe it all the time | 16:04 |
| smp4488__ | cross your fingers | 16:05 |
| * ogra tries, but cant type then :) | 16:06 | |
| persia | ogra, jjuastg hjuirt asnd peckj wrth xcreosswed finjgers | 16:06 |
| ogra | hehe | 16:06 |
| smp4488__ | acpi unable to load system description tables | 16:10 |
| smp4488__ | and no commands work at prompt | 16:10 |
| smp4488__ | if it helps i had the mid image running last week | 16:10 |
| smp4488__ | sorry | 16:11 |
| smp4488__ | so what now? | 16:11 |
| lool | ogra: lp:kourou | 16:11 |
| ogra | lool, StevenK, fix works | 16:12 |
| ogra | but | 16:12 |
| ogra | none of the categories using umplauts have content | 16:12 |
| ogra | *umlauts | 16:12 |
| ogra | Accessories -> Zubehör ... Office -> Büro ... both are empty | 16:12 |
| lool | ogra: Good catch | 16:12 |
| lool | ogra: I have the same issue | 16:13 |
| ogra | the rest is fine | 16:13 |
| lool | With Son et vidéo | 16:13 |
| ogra | and it doesnt crash anymore | 16:13 |
| lool | I can launch apps | 16:13 |
| smp4488__ | can i piggyback off the live cd? | 16:13 |
| ogra | synaptic works | 16:14 |
| lool | ogra: Can you file the kourou bug? | 16:14 |
| ogra | will do | 16:14 |
| lool | ogra: Apps with é launch here; just some menus are empty | 16:14 |
| ogra | else it looks fine now | 16:14 |
| ogra | right, apps with umlauts are fine | 16:15 |
| lool | Oh "Preferences" | 16:16 |
| lool | Should actually be Préférences | 16:16 |
| lool | Same issue as All and Home | 16:16 |
| ogra | thats our fault | 16:16 |
| lool | (which I reported already) | 16:16 |
| ogra | no translations for kourou | 16:17 |
| lool | ogra: It's not translatable, and it shouldn't be set in kourou.py anyway | 16:17 |
| lool | This should all be written using .menu logic and intltoolized | 16:17 |
| ogra | right | 16:17 |
| * ogra reports an upstream bug :) | 16:18 | |
| ogra | bah | 16:18 |
| ogra | or not | 16:18 |
| lool | Please do | 16:19 |
| ogra | cant, have to file in ubuntus kuourou | 16:19 |
| persia | I discussed that with upstream earlier, and understood that there was a plan to .menu all and preferences : it just took time. | 16:20 |
| persia | ogra, upstream disabled bug reporting? | 16:20 |
| ogra | persia, upstream disabled upstream bug reporting | 16:21 |
| ogra | LP pushes me to report in ubuntu | 16:21 |
| ogra | lool, bug 288767 | 16:22 |
| persia | I wonder why that wasn't done before. upstream didn't want any bugs. | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288767 in kourou "Categores with special chars (like umlauts) are empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288767 | 16:22 |
| ogra | lool, critical or not ? | 16:22 |
| lool | high | 16:23 |
| ogra | can you confirm as second person ? | 16:24 |
| smp4488__ | how many kernel images are on the usb image/ | 16:24 |
| ogra | one | 16:24 |
| ogra | the same as used on the CD | 16:24 |
| iz8dwf | hello all | 16:24 |
| smp4488__ | this is driving me nuts | 16:24 |
| iz8dwf | would this be a good place to ask for help in troubleshooting a quite annoying audio problem on a laptop? (ubuntu 8.04.1) | 16:25 |
| lool | ogra: I can't nominate the bug for intrepid | 16:26 |
| smp4488__ | maby it is thi thumb drive but it boots on my laptop | 16:26 |
| ogra | lool, oh ? why ? | 16:26 |
| lool | "OOPS" | 16:26 |
| ogra | ouch | 16:26 |
| * ogra tries instead | 16:27 | |
| ogra | bah, me too | 16:27 |
| smp4488__ | what is the name of the kernel casper/vmlinuz | 16:27 |
| lool | ogra: StevenK probably went to bed; would you be tempted to look into it. | 16:27 |
| lool | s/./? | 16:27 |
| ogra | after a break, yes | 16:28 |
| smp4488__ | GOT IT! | 16:29 |
| smp4488__ | wait lol got another kernel panic | 16:29 |
| smp4488__ | vfs cannot open root device | 16:30 |
| lool | ogra: Happening with non-edge right? | 16:31 |
| ogra | right | 16:32 |
| ogra | i sadi so already | 16:32 |
| smp4488__ | what would i use for root= ? | 16:37 |
| smp4488__ | during boot | 16:37 |
| lool | smp4488__: The same thing as in syslinux.cfg :) | 16:38 |
| smp4488__ | what is it so i dont have to reboot | 16:39 |
| smp4488__ | /dev/ram0 | 16:39 |
| lool | kernel casper/vmlinuz | 16:39 |
| lool | append file=/cdrom/preseed/mobile.seed boot=casper initrd=initrd.img persistent quiet splash noprompt | 16:39 |
| lool | smp4488__: You want: boot: casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mobile.seed boot=casper initrd=initrd.img persistent quiet splash noprompt | 16:39 |
| ogra | /dev/ram0 ?? where did you get that from ? | 16:39 |
| smp4488__ | 16:40 | |
| smp4488__ | kernel panic again unable to mount root fs | 16:41 |
| ogra | really weird | 16:42 |
| ogra | can you edit syslinux.cfg and remove "quiet splash" at the end ? | 16:43 |
| ogra | that will give you a lot more info | 16:43 |
| smp4488__ | i can type it in without it | 16:43 |
| ogra | or that | 16:43 |
| * ogra usually prefers to edit syslinux.cfg :) | 16:43 | |
| smp4488__ | everytime i edit syslinux.config i get errors | 16:43 |
| lool | smp4488__: I suspect you need to use a more careful editor :-/ | 16:44 |
| smp4488__ | it says the image is corrupt if i edit it | 16:44 |
| ogra | yeah, might be the editor | 16:44 |
| ogra | or you are not unmounting it properly at the end | 16:44 |
| ogra | who knows what machos does there | 16:44 |
| ogra | *macos :P | 16:45 |
| smp4488__ | ok without quiet and splash i get the correct root= option | 16:46 |
| * ogra wonders why Cheese in german is called "Cheese-Website" | 16:48 | |
| ogra | on my desktop its only "Cheese" in the menu | 16:48 |
| persia | To avoid confusion with Japanese umbrellas? | 16:48 |
| ogra | heh | 16:48 |
| ogra | japanese use cheese to cover from rain ? | 16:49 |
| ogra | i knew they have weird ideas sometimes ... but not that weird :) | 16:49 |
| ogra | the smeelier the cheese the less wet you get ? :) | 16:49 |
| ogra | *smellier | 16:49 |
| persia | No, it's just that かさ can sound like käse when both are slightly mispronounced. | 16:50 |
| ogra | heh | 16:50 |
| smp4488__ | it has worked | 17:00 |
| ogra | :) | 17:01 |
| smp4488__ | i added noapci and acpi=off and took out quiet and splash | 17:01 |
| smp4488__ | im looking at the desktop | 17:01 |
| smp4488__ | now installing should be an adventure | 17:02 |
| smp4488__ | persia you back | 17:05 |
| persia | Yes. | 17:06 |
| smp4488__ | i got it | 17:09 |
| ogra-Q1 | moo | 17:15 |
| persia | ogra has super cow powers? | 17:15 |
| ogra-Q1 | lol | 17:16 |
| * ian_brasil_ kicks network manager | 17:21 | |
| ian_brasil_ | ah been bitten by #182489 on an upgrade yesterday | 17:25 |
| persia | bug #182489 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 182489 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Atheros wireless (AR5007) not working on various laptops, including the ASUS Eee PC" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182489 | 17:26 |
| persia | ian_brasil_, Install linux-backports-modules for now. | 17:27 |
| persia | There should be a copy of the .deb on the mobile image to make this easier, if you happen to have a recent mobile image around. | 17:27 |
| ian_brasil_ | persia: thx..i tried to enable the atheros card in the hardware manager but that did not work ..acer aspire one | 17:28 |
| ogra | ian_brasil_, linux-backports-modules is in the /debs directory on the image | 17:30 |
| persia | ian_brasil_, Yep. That's one of the affected models. Also Eee 701 and 901, Samsung Q1U. Bunch of others. | 17:33 |
| ethana2 | Any Ubuntu Netbook people present and awake today? | 17:40 |
| james_w | ethana2: if you have a question it is better to ask it, someone may be able to help | 17:44 |
| ethana2 | still about the window-picker-applet | 17:45 |
| ethana2 | you know, the best applet of its kind | 17:45 |
| ethana2 | ever to grace this rock | 17:45 |
| ethana2 | ...needs to be able to minimize/unminimize windows by clicking on their entries | 17:45 |
| ethana2 | like with the window list applet | 17:45 |
| ethana2 | james_w: have you seen my screenshots? | 17:46 |
| ogra | file a whishlist bug so that can be added in jaunty | 17:46 |
| ethana2 | http://i35.tinypic.com/inbix2.png | 17:46 |
| ethana2 | Well, I was using PPAs with Hardy, using PPAs with Intrepid won't kill me either | 17:46 |
| * ethana2 tries to file enhancement | 17:47 | |
| ethana2 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/window-picker-applet | 17:49 |
| ethana2 | uhhh, i don't see how I can file this, the options are greyed out, even after I logged in | 17:50 |
| james_w | ubuntu-bug window-picker-applet | 17:50 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet | 17:50 |
| ogra | or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet/+filebug | 17:51 |
| james_w | "ubuntu-bug -p window-picker-applet" I mean, sorry | 17:52 |
| ethana2 | ah | 17:52 |
| === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away | ||
| ethana2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet/+bug/288812 | 18:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 288812 in window-picker-applet "Windows cannot be minimized and un-minimized by clicking their entry in the applet." [Undecided,New] | 18:13 |
| ethana2 | ..are there any changes I should make to that report? | 18:24 |
| persia | lool, Just reproduced 288320 : I can force the install locale to be en_US, or we can depend on networking. A proper fix looks deep and complicated (although I can investigate this) | 19:04 |
| ogra | lool, got the fix for bug 288767 ... attached | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288767 in kourou "Categores with special chars (like umlauts) are empty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288767 | 19:08 |
| persia | ogra, That's a two-line patch :p Nice find. | 19:15 |
| ogra | one | 19:15 |
| ogra | oh, right, the first line can even go | 19:16 |
| persia | Read the patch. Line 1 + line 106/107 | 19:16 |
| ogra | i'm just used to have it like that :) | 19:16 |
| ogra | 106/107 are the ones needed | 19:16 |
| ogra | line 1 just makes sure that utf8 code or comments will be repected | 19:17 |
| ogra | *respected | 19:17 |
| persia | Right. | 19:17 |
| persia | line 1 is immaterial : it's just there. | 19:17 |
| * ogra cleans that up | 19:17 | |
| persia | Next question : why only there? What about line 103? | 19:19 |
| ogra | it doesnt break ? | 19:20 |
| ogra | i woud write it completely different if i couldnt count the hours to final freeze | 19:22 |
| ogra | thats actually the thing that breaks and if i can fix it with a single line i'll do that | 19:23 |
| ogra | lool, can you test that fix in french ? | 19:24 |
| lool | ogra: Which one? | 19:25 |
| lool | ogra: Ok, will test | 19:25 |
| ogra | bug 288767 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288767 in kourou "Categores with special chars (like umlauts) are empty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288767 | 19:26 |
| ogra | the second one | 19:26 |
| ogra | first patch has unneeded extra cruft | 19:26 |
| lool | Erf | 19:26 |
| ogra | erf ? | 19:26 |
| lool | I would have bet that we would end with a str(smth) in the source | 19:26 |
| lool | But we ended up with an unicode(smth) :) | 19:26 |
| lool | erf == lol | 19:27 |
| ogra | ah :) | 19:27 |
| lool | arf, urf | 19:27 |
| ogra | heh | 19:27 |
| ogra | i would really love to find a better way for the blurry scaled icons as well | 19:28 |
| ogra | looks ugly | 19:28 |
| ogra | but i fear thats nothing to get past the release team and would be more than a one liner | 19:28 |
| lool | persia: Re: 288320, what I'd love to see is good documentation of what breaks and why and long term correct fix; if you know a quick fix, you can discuss with cjwatson whether to include it | 19:29 |
| persia | quick fix is to preseed en_US | 19:29 |
| lool | persia: But then one can't change the lang? | 19:30 |
| persia | Only post-install, which is why I don't like it. | 19:30 |
| lool | ogra: Works fine, well done! | 19:30 |
| ogra | :) | 19:30 |
| persia | Slightly less ugly workaround is to add a bunch of langpacks to the image, but that requires modification to livecd-rootfs. | 19:31 |
| lool | ogra: Hmm do you see synaptic? | 19:31 |
| ogra | yes | 19:31 |
| ogra | in preferences | 19:31 |
| lool | Oh right, I didn't upgrade to Steve's package yet; only kourou.py | 19:31 |
| ogra | even with a proper "Synaptic Paketverwaltung" | 19:32 |
| ogra | the only odd thing is Cheese | 19:32 |
| ogra | called "Cheese Website" in german | 19:32 |
| lool | Studio Webcam Cheese | 19:32 |
| ogra | in english it was ok | 19:32 |
| ogra | and in my desktop its just called Cheese | 19:33 |
| ogra | not sure where it gets -Website from | 19:33 |
| ogra | well, its like that in the german translation in the .desktop file | 19:34 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/cheese-q1u-2008-10-24-203354.jpg | 19:37 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/cheese-q1u-2008-10-24-203542.jpg | 19:37 |
| lool | ogra: Can you push kourou with this change? | 19:38 |
| * ogra is just looking at the icon stuff | 19:38 | |
| lool | what icon stuff? | 19:39 |
| === njpatel_away is now known as njpatel | ||
| ogra | they are very very blurry and badly scaled | 19:39 |
| lool | ogra: svg isn't included | 19:40 |
| lool | I filed a bug about this | 19:40 |
| ogra | it will still pick xpm | 19:41 |
| lool | It asks for png as well | 19:41 |
| ogra | svg should be the only one in that list | 19:41 |
| lool | Don't think we have svg for everything | 19:41 |
| ogra | and it should use gtk.ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR as base | 19:41 |
| ogra | BUTTON is 24x24 | 19:42 |
| ogra | LARGE_TOOLBAR is at least 36x36 | 19:42 |
| ogra | i dont seem to miss any icons with svg only | 19:43 |
| ogra | and with LARGE_TOOLBAR a lot of them look better ... i.e. totem and therminal | 19:43 |
| ogra | it seems to fall back to png or xpm anyway | 19:44 |
| * ogra tries without scaling | 19:46 | |
| ogra | geez | 19:47 |
| ogra | without scaling using DIALOG as base size all look crisp and clean, but the neverball icon is about 96x96 | 19:48 |
| === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away | ||
| persia | ogra, That icon was amusingly contentious, and resulted in long discussions with upstream. You *really* want to scale. | 19:51 |
| ogra | so i just found that xdg.IconPath.getIconPath doesnt use gtk iconsizes at all | 19:53 |
| ogra | and why should it, its not a gtk function | 19:53 |
| ian_brasil | i just ran a performance test on the gtk NewHumanMobile theme and it reported Total time: 748.88 second.the default Huma Clearlooks came in at 154.12 | 19:53 |
| ogra | well, the price for bling :) | 19:54 |
| ogra | we can improve that in jaunty | 19:54 |
| ogra | NewHumanMobile uses murrine as engine | 19:54 |
| ian_brasil | yes, i saw that | 19:54 |
| ogra | dont compare it with a low end engine ;) | 19:55 |
| ian_brasil | fair point | 19:57 |
| ogra | lool, why the heck does Steven use Human as default icon theme if human-icon-theme isnt installed at all ? | 19:58 |
| ogra | alone changing Human to gnome makes a huge improvement | 19:58 |
| ogra | since Human is nonexistent on the image | 19:58 |
| lool | ogra: I think he has gnome too | 19:59 |
| * ogra checks if installing human makes a difference | 19:59 | |
| lool | ogra: Can you make sure you upload the kourou fix for utf-8? | 19:59 |
| ogra | if i hardcode gnome at the place where he uses Human i get proper crisp icons for most stuff | 19:59 |
| lool | I'm going to go afk soonish | 19:59 |
| lool | ogra: For other stuff about kourou: please file bugs :) | 19:59 |
| lool | ogra: If you think it's worth it for intrepid, prepare the changes and propose an upload with them to StevenK | 20:00 |
| ogra | yeah, well, then i'll also call it a day | 20:00 |
| ogra | nah | 20:00 |
| ogra | i will just use mobile on my Q1 ... :P | 20:00 |
| * ogra goes to prepare the upload | 20:00 | |
| davidm | please make sure to leave StevenK explicit directions if you need anything done. | 20:01 |
| lool | ogra: Please file bugs for actual bugs which we care fixing on the long term though | 20:01 |
| ogra | davidm, i'll do the upload myself | 20:01 |
| * lool waves | 20:01 | |
| ogra | lool, you said you had one for icons ? | 20:01 |
| lool | ogra: I have one for svg | 20:02 |
| lool | Trying to grab it | 20:03 |
| ogra | that should suffice to look into the icon loading stuff | 20:03 |
| ogra | its a mess all over and needs rewrite, i think he just took my pre production code for it | 20:03 |
| lool | Weird, can't find it | 20:03 |
| * lool goes to reported bugs | 20:04 | |
| ogra | well, i'll do the upload now | 20:04 |
| lool | ogra: Can't find it sorry; I thought I had filed it | 20:04 |
| lool | Pff I don't even find the bugs I reported yesterday *sigh* | 20:06 |
| lool | Now I'm sure I reported it, I remember suggesting using a flag | 20:07 |
| ogra | hrm | 20:07 |
| ogra | how does steven do the versioning ? | 20:08 |
| * ogra doesnt get it ... | 20:08 | |
| ogra | seems to be a native package but uses -0ubuntu1 | 20:08 |
| ogra | what version do i raise now ? | 20:08 |
| lool | Grr, I'm certain I reported it, and can't find it in my bug mailbox either | 20:08 |
| ogra | -0 or ubuntu1 ? | 20:08 |
| * ogra is confused | 20:08 | |
| persia | ogra, Are you on the upstream dev team? | 20:09 |
| lool | I give up | 20:09 |
| ogra | the branch is woned by ~ubuntu-mobile | 20:09 |
| ogra | *owned | 20:09 |
| persia | ogra, If so, and you want to do a new upstream release, you can do that. If not, push a new ubuntu revision (-0ubuntu2) and upstream can merge later. | 20:09 |
| lool | lp:kourou? | 20:09 |
| ogra | i'm member of that i think | 20:09 |
| persia | Yes, but you have to publish the tarball if you do a new upstream. | 20:10 |
| ogra | tarball ? | 20:10 |
| ogra | huh ? | 20:10 |
| ogra | oh, for the package you mean | 20:10 |
| ogra | hrm | 20:10 |
| * lool is really becoming crazy and can't find the bug he reports | 20:11 | |
| * lool calls time for WE | 20:11 | |
| ogra | persia, only the orig.tar.gz, right ? | 20:11 |
| ogra | or is there any other place we publish tarballs | 20:11 |
| persia | ogra, Actually, looks like upstream hasn't released a tarball, and we're just pulling VCS snapshots. May as well push a new upstream if you like. | 20:11 |
| ogra | ok | 20:12 |
| elegos | hello there | 20:14 |
| elegos | I've got a problem lol | 20:14 |
| elegos | I've just tried to launch the live USB on my girlfriend's eeePC | 20:14 |
| elegos | when the graphic should come up, it simply returns to the console :S | 20:15 |
| elegos | (finishing the orange line) | 20:15 |
| persia | that's unexpected. It's Intel 945 graphics, right? | 20:18 |
| elegos | uhm | 20:20 |
| elegos | how can I check it? | 20:20 |
| elegos | (but I think so) | 20:20 |
| ogra | it should be, what image is that ? | 20:20 |
| elegos | the "current" one | 20:21 |
| ogra | and which eee version | 20:21 |
| elegos | 701 4GB | 20:21 |
| ogra | can you tell us the exact image name ? | 20:21 |
| elegos | uhm | 20:21 |
| elegos | wait | 20:21 |
| ogra | "current" doesnt say much :) | 20:21 |
| elegos | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/ | 20:21 |
| elegos | that current one xD | 20:22 |
| ogra | well, you should have used rc ... but they are essentially the same | 20:22 |
| ogra | http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ | 20:23 |
| elegos | can try it | 20:23 |
| elegos | now I'm on a windows machine XD | 20:23 |
| ogra | how much ram does the ee have ? | 20:23 |
| elegos | how can I mount the image on the USB? | 20:23 |
| elegos | 512MB | 20:23 |
| ogra | that should be plenty | 20:23 |
| ogra | and many peope use that image on a eee 700 | 20:23 |
| ogra | we also had reports about eee 900 | 20:24 |
| ogra | so its a bit weird it doesnt work for you | 20:24 |
| elegos | how could I check it? | 20:24 |
| elegos | maybe via X11/xorg.xonf? | 20:25 |
| elegos | conf* | 20:25 |
| elegos | using vesa? | 20:25 |
| elegos | p.s. nano seems to not be installed... | 20:26 |
| ogra | well, the image is for touchscreen UMPCs ... | 20:26 |
| ogra | these rarely even have physical keyboards :) | 20:26 |
| elegos | lol | 20:27 |
| ogra | though i thought nano is pulled in by ubuntu-standard | 20:27 |
| elegos | damnit xD | 20:27 |
| elegos | and... now? | 20:27 |
| ogra | check Xorg.0.log | 20:27 |
| elegos | where is it? | 20:27 |
| ogra | where all log files are :) /var/log | 20:27 |
| ogra | less or more are installed to read logfiles | 20:28 |
| ian_brasil | 669.08 for the MurrinaFancyCandy theme on mobile | 20:29 |
| ogra | so mobile isnt to far away from a default theme shipped with the engine | 20:29 |
| ian_brasil | right | 20:29 |
| ogra | thats fine with me | 20:29 |
| elegos | _XSERVTranceSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener | 20:30 |
| ogra | ian_brasil, btw i'll reply soon about the book thing, i'm intrested, was just to busy (not much sleep the last days) | 20:30 |
| elegos | [...] | 20:30 |
| elegos | fatal server error: | 20:30 |
| ogra | what driver does it pick | 20:30 |
| ogra | there should be many lines starting with a driver name | 20:31 |
| ian_brasil | that is 156.82 on a normal intrepid laptop..same theme | 20:31 |
| ogra | like VESA or INTEL | 20:31 |
| elegos | Cannot establish any listening sockets - make sure an x server isn't already running | 20:31 |
| ian_brasil | ogra: cool no problem | 20:31 |
| ian_brasil | i wonder why the figures are so different..maybe processor spped and ram but that seems a lot | 20:32 |
| elegos | how can I check it? | 20:33 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| elegos | how can I check the driver loaded? | 20:35 |
| ogra | its should show all over the logfile | 20:36 |
| ogra | lines usually start with the driver name | 20:36 |
| ogra | like VESA or INTEL | 20:36 |
| ogra | elegos, it fails in the live session already ? or is that after install ? | 20:37 |
| elegos | live session | 20:37 |
| ogra | strange | 20:37 |
| elegos | i try to restart it so I can have fresh logs | 20:38 |
| ogra | there is definately a driver for the eee 700 in the image and other people are running it on that hw without probs | 20:38 |
| elegos | is there a special parameter for "safe mode"? | 20:39 |
| ogra | nope | 20:39 |
| elegos | Xorg.0.log says: | 20:42 |
| elegos | _XSERVTransSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener | 20:43 |
| ogra | no idea, sorry | 20:43 |
| elegos | _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateLietener() failed | 20:43 |
| ogra | james_w, you had an eee 700, right ? | 20:46 |
| elegos | Intel 915GM Chipset | 20:49 |
| ogra | yes, thats supported by the intel driver | 20:49 |
| ogra | which is on the image | 20:49 |
| elegos | downloading the RC image... | 20:50 |
| ogra | when did you download current ? | 20:50 |
| elegos | today | 20:50 |
| ogra | well, shouldnt be different then | 20:50 |
| elegos | u.u | 20:50 |
| elegos | can I manually set vesa drivers @ boot? | 20:51 |
| ogra | not that i know | 20:51 |
| ogra | try sunning startx in the console in which you are now | 20:52 |
| * ogra really needs to go ... | 20:52 | |
| ogra | *running startx | 20:52 |
| elegos | fatal server error: cannot establish any listening sockets - make sure an x server isn't already running | 20:54 |
| elegos | then - giving up | 20:54 |
| ogra | ctrl-alt-f7 ? | 20:54 |
| elegos | xinit: stale NFS file handle (errno 116) | 20:54 |
| ogra | huh ? | 20:54 |
| elegos | just a blinking cursor | 20:54 |
| ogra | what are you running there ? | 20:54 |
| ogra | NFS file handle ? | 20:54 |
| elegos | lol it is just that | 20:55 |
| elegos | xinit: Stale NFS file handle (errno 116): imable to connect to X server | 20:55 |
| ogra | well, there is something wonky going on and wouldnt know why a live image should complain about nfs filehandles | 20:55 |
| elegos | unalble* | 20:55 |
| ogra | there isnt any nfs technology on it | 20:55 |
| ogra | are you sure you boot the right thing ? | 20:56 |
| elegos | u.u yes? | 20:56 |
| elegos | p.s. I had to disable wlan and lan because else it would loop trying to set up the net config | 20:57 |
| ogra | ?? | 20:57 |
| elegos | from bios | 20:57 |
| elegos | onboard devices | 20:57 |
| ogra | network gets only set up by network manager | 20:57 |
| elegos | wait I'll tell you the exact step | 20:57 |
| ogra | which runs in the graphical session | 20:57 |
| ogra | so there cant be any loop in the image | 20:57 |
| elegos | have you put wicd in the distro? | 20:58 |
| ogra | at least not before your xserver is up | 20:58 |
| ogra | i dont even know what wicd is | 20:58 |
| elegos | lol? | 20:58 |
| ogra | but in any case you *cant* have any networking loop during boot | 20:58 |
| ogra | not before X is up | 20:58 |
| elegos | you're saying it's just like the live image is loading up it using my files on my hard disk?!? | 20:59 |
| ogra | no | 20:59 |
| ogra | its only using its own files on the squshfs thats included in the image | 20:59 |
| ogra | *squashfs | 20:59 |
| elegos | Configuring network interfaces... | 21:00 |
| elegos | this is where it stops... waiting... | 21:00 |
| elegos | oh another error | 21:00 |
| elegos | Activating swapfile swap... [OK] | 21:00 |
| elegos | then | 21:00 |
| ogra | how big is the USB key you boot from ? | 21:00 |
| elegos | find './.X11-unix/X0': Stale NFS file handle | 21:01 |
| elegos | 2GB | 21:01 |
| ogra | and how did you copy the image over to it ? | 21:01 |
| ogra | that really doesnt look like you are booting the mobile image | 21:02 |
| elegos | with the dd method | 21:02 |
| elegos | how can I import the image via windows? (now I'm writing from it) | 21:03 |
| ogra | there might be a DD.exe for windows somewhere | 21:03 |
| ogra | did you try to install ubuntu on the eee before ? | 21:03 |
| ogra | sounds like its booting a broken local install or something | 21:04 |
| ogra | anyway, had a 14h day, i'm out now ... | 21:06 |
| * ogra waves | 21:06 | |
| elegos | here I am | 21:08 |
| elegos | currently running ubuntu eee :P | 21:08 |
| ian_brasil | GtkDrawingArea takes 140 secs with HumanMobileTheme but 70secs on MurrinaFancyCandy | 21:33 |
| ian_brasil | with text that is | 21:34 |
| ian_brasil | wonder how to work out why | 21:34 |
| persia | ian_brasil, strace -r might help. | 22:01 |
| persia | It at least tells you the relative time between some bits, and you might be able to piece together the place where it's slow. | 22:01 |
| ian_brasil | persia: ok..i will try that | 22:02 |
| persia | Hmm. strace has some other timing options. I'm not sure which is best. man strace might give you other options. | 22:03 |
| elegos | persia: can I do anything for my eeePC? | 22:16 |
| persia | elegos, Not sure exactly. I don't know how it's broken, nor do I really understand what the hardware is exactly. | 22:34 |
| persia | For wireless, I think linux-backports-modules should work. | 22:34 |
| persia | I don't know about X, as nobody has yet reported an issue with the graphics drivers. | 22:35 |
| * davidm is away: | 23:33 | |
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