[02:10] <ian_brasil> someone know how to find out what was installed in an upgrade?
[02:10] <ian_brasil> i upgraded when i left for work this morning and it has killed my wireless on aspire one
[02:10] <ian_brasil> and i want to track down what did it
[02:11]  * ian_brasil looks through apt docs
[02:12] <StevenK> ian_brasil: dpkg has a log in /var/log
[02:55] <ian_brasil> StevenK: thx
[05:08] <pururu> cool, Urban Terror work on aspire one, but fps is not playable, and i set everything to low already... any tweaks? 360 fps in glxgears
[08:47] <ethana2> Does netbook have a channel yet?
[08:47] <ethana2> http://i35.tinypic.com/inbix2.png
[08:47] <ethana2> I'm one window-picker-applet feature away from perfection
[08:50] <ethana2> ethana2@gmail.com
[08:50] <ethana2> ..i think i'll restart my X session to see if it'll help pidgin with the facebookchat plugin .deb I just installed
[09:17] <smp4488> anyone awake?
[09:18] <persia> smp4488, Lots of people.
[09:18] <smp4488> ahh i havent talked to you in a while whats up?
[09:19] <persia> RC just released.  It's time for agressive testing to identify if there are any remaining release-critical issues before the images go for mastering.
[09:19] <smp4488> really! are they up for download?
[09:21] <persia> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[09:21] <smp4488> sweetness
[09:22] <smp4488> now that a full ubuntu image right?
[09:27] <persia> Well, there's lots of flavours of Ubuntu.  MID and Mobile are on the download page.  These are live USB images.  Test them as you like, or install them if you like.
[09:27] <persia> If you find any bugs, please file them.  It helps a lot to improve it.
[09:29] <smp4488> can i load the live usb images into the moblin image creator?
[09:30] <persia> I don't think so.
[09:31] <smp4488> hmm
[09:31] <persia> You might be able to, but it probably requires significant modification of moblin image creator.
[09:31] <smp4488> Will the MID flavour fun on x86?
[09:31] <persia> moblin image creator is no longer used by either Ubuntu MID or Ubuntu Mobile, and the images certainly weren't tested with it.
[09:32] <smp4488> so what are you all using now?
[09:33] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageCreation
[09:33] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageModification is probably more interesting if you're just looking for small changes.
[09:34] <smp4488> im downloading the images now and i will test tonight and let you know
[09:34] <smp4488> this project looks better and better everyday
[09:37] <smp4488> who knows may be i will pull my touch screen out of my car to test further
[09:38] <persia> touch screen support was one of the things that should be better for this image.  There's still work to be done, and some stuff that didn't make intrepid, but I suspect you'll find it to be supported.
[09:39] <smp4488> what are you all looking at as far as gps?
[09:39] <persia> I don't know that anyone is chasing GPS specifically for the mobile flavours (and my GPS USB key doesn't seem to work).
[09:40] <persia> I've heard good things about gpsdrive, but the interface seems to take up a lot of pixels.
[09:40] <smp4488> i will probably give that a look tonight
[09:40] <persia> Any suggestions or testing or integration patches would be welcome, although I suspect it would be ideal to have a solution that worked well for both laptops and smaller stuff.
[09:40] <persia> Thanks!
[09:40] <smp4488> which flavour would you reccomend for a car pc? 1.2 ghz processor, 1 G of RAM?
[09:43] <smp4488> i have looked into navit also but had problems with my gps reciever also
[09:44] <persia> I'd probably suggest Mobile for a carpc, because of work to make it work with touch-interfaces, combined with fairly robust support for additional applications.
[09:44] <smp4488> sounds good i will let you know
[09:45] <persia> MID does touch well, but it expects applications to work with hildon, and represents a slightly different philosophy about things, so adding arbitrary packages doesn't always have the expected results.
[09:48] <davmor2> superm1: ping
[09:49] <persia> davmor2, You might have more luck in #ubuntu-devel :)
[10:02] <smp4488_> sorry my internet went down for a sec
[10:07] <smp4488_> how quick do you think i can get this to boot?
[10:08] <smp4488_> well when i say "this" i meant  mobile
[10:08] <persia> I don't know if anyone has done any boot-time testing.  Should be able to get it down to 30-40 seconds easily.  More than that probably requires a bit of work.
[10:08] <smp4488_> im thinking compact flash
[10:11] <persia> In my experience, /boot on CF only saved a couple seconds over disk.
[10:51] <pururu> how to disable windows auto-maximize and return normal captions to them?
[10:52] <pururu> mm s/captions/titles+menus
[10:57]  * pururu uses area of effect "rise of the dead" spell level 3
[10:58] <pururu> and openarena is slow on aspire one
[11:01] <pururu> any optimizations for xorg beyond EXA ? this thing dosnt make any difference, probably just enabled by default
[11:08] <ogra_> pururu, -mid or -mobile ? 
[11:08] <pururu> mobile
[11:09] <ogra_> go to applications->system->settings->sessions and uncheck devilspie in the list, on next login your windows wont automaximize anymore
[11:09] <ogra_> (and have decorations)
[11:09] <pururu> cool thanks
[11:17] <asac> ogra_: so the browser uses the minefield icon in the taskbar :/
[11:17] <asac> btw, wpa works oob here on Q^1
[11:17] <pururu> midbrowser menu still missing, i forget how to bring preferences dialog
[11:17] <ogra_> pururu, f4 i think
[11:17] <asac> yes f4 is menu
[11:18] <pururu> thanks
[11:18] <ogra_> we'll likely go with fennec or firefox with grab'n drag plugin in jaunty
[11:18] <StevenK> \o/
[11:23] <amitk-afk> lool: please check the commits after -4.8 at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.git;a=shortlog
[11:23] <amitk-afk> lool: I am picking up relevant config changes from base kernel too
[11:23] <amitk-afk> lool: this is the rebased tree btw (rebased to -7.14 base)
[11:24]  * asac installs fennec on Q1
[11:25] <ogra_> :)
[11:26] <asac> ogra_: i have to say that the ubuntu image is quite nice
[11:26] <asac> ogra_: only big issue imo is the window taskbar
[11:26] <asac> thats not right that way for sure ;)
[11:26] <asac> you cannot read anything because of space constriants
[11:26] <asac> also when hittin the X in right top corner while having keyboard open will just close the app you had open
[11:26] <asac> (which is not what users expect)
[11:27]  * persia is also confused by the keyboard, and doesn't use it.
[11:27] <asac> hehe
[11:27] <asac> yeah. well it happened now three times: typed with great pain ... then closed the app instead of the keyboard
[11:28] <asac> tripling the pain when you notice that you just closed what you typed :/
[11:28] <ogra_> yeah, cellwriter needs some love for jaunty but i the end its just a matter of adapting your habit
[11:29] <ogra_> you will only do that once or twice, then you start using the cellwriter icon to expand/collapse ;)
[11:29] <asac> ogra_: we should use fennec right away now ;)
[11:29] <asac> location bar is confusing a bit ... yeah. but not really bad 
[11:29] <ogra_> asac, if you get that past slangasek i'm willing to change the seeds :)
[11:30] <asac> at least not worse than the side window panel and the keyboard
[11:30] <ogra_> though i'd prefer a dumbed down FF UI with grab'n drag
[11:30] <asac> ogra_: slangasek ... better not. he didnt even let plain mobile 3G data in 4 days ago
[11:30] <asac> e.g. provider info updates
[11:30] <amitk-afk> would you guys hate it if we switched to vesafb module? base kernel already did the switch.
[11:31] <asac> well ... he finally did it, but he didnt say: "approved", but ... no. data shouldnt land that late
[11:31] <ogra_> note that most of the devices mobile is run on ship with vista by default ... at least thats what i learned about UMPCs 
[11:31] <ogra_> so there is really no point to have to ship fennec
[11:31] <asac> ogra_: ok. but that gives us a chance to convince them
[11:31] <asac> e.g. just be far better and even the vista addicts will understand
[11:31] <ogra_> fully functional FF is surely better 
[11:31] <amitk-afk> persia: seeing any problem with uvesafb? would switching to vesafb at this stage be desirable?
[11:31] <asac> ogra_: yeah. lets also reduce the font size
[11:31] <asac> to 6pt
[11:32] <ogra_> yeah
[11:32] <asac> ok ... so enough live stuff. how do i install?
[11:32] <StevenK> asac: Mobile, or mid?
[11:32] <asac> mobile
[11:32] <StevenK> asac: There's an Install icon on the desktop
[11:32] <asac> i am running the live session
[11:32]  * asac closes his mobile terminal ;)
[11:33] <persia> amitk-afk, There were a number of users who complained that uvesafb completely failed to work for them.  Unless you want the headache of tracking it, I'd recommend aligning with mainline as much as possible.
[11:33] <StevenK> asac: :-)
[11:33] <asac> the install icon appears in tasklist ... then disappears (apparently because it takes too long) ... 5 seconds later the installer starts
[11:33] <ogra_> yeah
[11:33] <ogra_> get a faster USB key :P
[11:34] <asac> hmm ... somehow it looks like half of the window is hidden under the panel
[11:34] <StevenK> It isn't
[11:34] <asac> (which isnt true, its just a visual pretention)
[11:34] <asac> StevenK: yes. it just looks that way and might cause confusion (like for me)
[11:34] <asac> i should look like its in-front not in back imo
[11:34] <amitk> persia: I'm all for it, pushed the config changes enabling vesafb as module. just wanted to make sure it would be ok to switch to vesafb by default
[11:34] <StevenK> That's because mozilla sourcecode has eaten your retinas
[11:35] <asac> or a tiny border where you can see abit of the desktop color in between
[11:35] <ogra_> asac, thats because of compiz and its shadows 
[11:36] <ogra_> i might revisit that for jaunty
[11:36] <asac> hmm this timezone selector is unusable with a stylus
[11:36] <ogra_> actually i would have loved to use maximus, but that only works with metacity
[11:36] <StevenK> Try it with a tiny screen
[11:36] <asac> hehe selected Berlin and the map now show the arctis ;)
[11:38] <asac> install started
[11:39] <ogra_> play a round of aisle riot then :)
[11:39] <ogra_> takes 15min 
[11:39] <asac> hehe
[11:39] <asac> we really have to find something better for the window selector
[11:39] <asac> the desktop looks so neat
[11:40] <asac> but that thing really dominates the first impression
[11:40] <ogra> well, i was planning to hack up wnck applet to show big icons and no text
[11:40] <ogra> with a gconf key
[11:40] <asac> ogra: big==?
[11:40] <asac> like the panel iconS?
[11:40] <ogra> adapted to the panel size
[11:40] <persia> That sounds a lot better.  The selector on the left is non-ideal for several sorts of uses.
[11:41] <ogra> the sidepanel is 80px ... the icons should at least be 60x60
[11:41] <ogra> the current prob is that wnck expands the first button to full panel size, thats odd 
[11:42] <ogra> the buttons should have a fixed size and not shrink with the amount of apps
[11:42] <asac> ogra: its a deficieny of the gnome panel
[11:42] <asac> they never understood how to display entries in vertical panels
[11:42] <ogra> well, wnck applet ... 
[11:42] <asac> like they always grow verticalls
[11:42] <asac> y
[11:42] <ogra> other applets do it right
[11:42] <asac> i would love to use a side panel on my main desktop, but i dont want the elements scale vertically
[11:43] <asac> they should just stack and expand horizontally
[11:43] <ogra> yeah
[11:44] <ogra> for intrepid i wanted to go mainly with unchanged gnome and get enough feedback for proper jaunty changes
[11:44] <asac> ogra: sure. this is a gnome bug imo
[11:44] <ogra> but wnck applet is definately on my list
[11:44] <asac> either nobody cares about side panels for window tasks or the folks thinking that this way is the right way are on crac
[11:44] <asac> k
[11:44] <lool> amitk: What should I check in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.git exactly?  You mean this is ready for sponsoring?
[11:45] <asac> but then maybe its my obligation to fix this finally - i have been waiting for that since 2.4 or something
[11:45] <ogra> asac, i'll care in jaunty 
[11:46] <ogra> beating upstream with cluebats :)
[11:46] <asac> ogra: the window task list in gnome?
[11:46] <asac> that would be so great
[11:46] <asac> i can easily read 40 windows if its vertical and properly
[11:46] <ogra> yeah
[11:46] <asac> at the bottom its unusable for everything > 10 windows (on a large screen)
[11:47] <ogra> not if you set it to grouping mode
[11:47] <asac> ogra: grouping mode is even worse
[11:47] <ogra> which we should have on by default imho
[11:47] <asac> i want to see _all_ windows with their title readable
[11:47] <asac> grouping just requires another click
[11:47] <asac> but i understand people that like grouping more
[11:48] <asac> for me the windows on the task list should be stacked and not grouped, but ordered by application ... so that all ffox windows are directly next to each other
[11:48] <ogra> yeah
[11:48] <amitk> lool: no. I am just pushing every commit I make to fix configs after rebasing.
[11:48] <asac> but well ;) ... next cycle i will just overtake the desktop experience team
[11:49] <asac> that brought to us this great log out experience :)
[11:49] <lool> amitk: Ok; you're just asking for early review, and will call for sponsoring later AIUI?
[11:49] <amitk> lool: specifically, look at the config changes - tcp, ath5k, vesafb
[11:49] <ogra> asac, haha
[11:49] <amitk> lool: correct. to avoid any surprises
[11:50]  * lool pulls
[11:50] <amitk> lool: all configs changes are in line with base kernel. I didn't bother to turn on ext4 though
[11:50] <ogra> ext4 is on o_O
[11:50] <ogra> ??
[11:50] <lool> CONFLICT CONFLICT CONFLICT blah :-(
[11:51] <ogra> brave ...
[11:51] <asac> hmm ... what is this "mine" thing in the tray
[11:51] <asac> hmm a second volume switcher?
[11:52] <amitk> lool: just look at the web interface
[11:52] <asac> oh i its brigthness ;)
[11:52] <amitk> ogra: it is on in base kernel 
[11:52] <ogra> asac, lol
[11:52] <lool> I've just used git reset --hard origin
[11:52] <ogra> asac, i was wondering what you were talking about before ... 
[11:53] <lool> amitk: Good thing that you're prefixing tags with LPIA now
[11:53] <amitk> lool: yeah, it was getting confusing for me.
[11:53] <lool> Well it was required since you were importing a tree with the same version numbers for the source package, but pointing at different objects
[11:54] <lool> Hmm
[11:54] <lool> I think I invented a new way to make me grab useless stuff, crap
[11:56] <lool> amitk: I take it that the config changes you're doing are mirrored on the corresponding linux config changes?
[11:56] <amitk> lool: yes, except for ext4. Didn't bother with it for lpia
[11:56] <lool> I'd still argue that I can't review properly what changed between lpia uploads, but what you did since the last linux uploads looks ok
[11:57] <lool> amitk: was vesafb enabled in RC.
[11:57] <asac> ogra: cant you add the fta PPA to seeds ;)
[11:57] <lool> s/.$/.?
[11:57] <lool> I mean in linux in RC
[11:57] <amitk> lool: rebasing kills that history unfortunately. After this upload, no more rebases - only merges
[11:57] <ogra> asac, haha, i doubt the image builders would like that 
[11:57] <amitk> lool: yes, vesafb is default in RC
[11:58] <lool> Ok
[11:58] <lool> amitk: So what I see is that you a) rebased b) fiddled lpia tree maintenance scripts c) mirrored most config changes which happened in linux; I'm fine with this
[11:59] <amitk> good. Lets see what the test build says.
[11:59] <lool> amitk: Do you push to ppa?
[11:59] <lool> Ah no, I guess it's slow
[11:59] <amitk> lool: no, local build
[11:59] <asac> drumrolls ... "restarting now ..."
[12:03] <amitk> 89..90..91 degrees!
[12:06] <asac> oh no ... i installed fennec and now its gone after install :(
[12:06] <asac> thought livecd would keep what i install there
[12:11] <asac> ogra: so the password i used during install doesnt allow me to sudo su :(
[12:11] <ogra> huh ? 
[12:11] <ogra> it should
[12:11] <asac> in fact it doesnt work at all
[12:11] <ogra> typoed ? 
[12:11] <asac> most likely. but i am almost 100% sure that i typed "test"
[12:12] <ogra> works fine here 
[12:12] <ogra> i use sudo all day on mobile
[12:12] <persia> asac, Nope.  It's an intentional feature that user changes to the live session are dropped on install.
[12:12] <ogra> heh
[12:12] <asac> persia: err. i was asked for a password in the installer
[12:12] <asac> that isnt there anymore :(
[12:12] <asac> and its not empty
[12:12] <asac> (like it was in the live session)
[12:12] <asac> persia: so what is the default password? is there any?
[12:12] <ogra> no
[12:13] <ogra> mobile just creates an ubiquity user
[12:13] <asac> persia: oh. i think you referred to fennec from above
[12:13] <ogra> with the credentials you give it during install
[12:13] <asac> *sigh* ... one more install then
[12:14] <ogra> is it using the user you created ? 
[12:14] <persia> asac, That's bug #287857
[12:14] <ogra> persia, mobile ....
[12:14] <persia> asac, Just don't enter a password.
[12:14] <ogra> asac, or are you testing mid now ? 
[12:14] <asac> ok 
[12:14] <asac> no mobile
[12:15] <asac> persia: i cannot not enter a password
[12:15] <StevenK> persia: Mobile asks for the username
[12:15] <asac> the installer doesnt enable the next button
[12:15] <ogra> mobile should work exactly as desktop
[12:15] <persia> Oh, right.  any password should work.
[12:15] <asac> persia: it doesnt here
[12:15] <asac> persia: i used "test"
[12:15] <asac> and now i cannot become root anymore
[12:15]  * persia is very confused
[12:15] <asac> well ... not anymore.. i cannot become root at all
[12:16] <asac> doing a new install
[12:16] <asac> now
[12:16] <asac> ok ... doing nothing, but hitting the "install"
[12:17] <asac> i can only emphasize that the timezon selector is broken ;)
[12:18] <asac> ok ... entire disk ;)
[12:19] <asac> ok i think i know what was going on
[12:19] <asac> this stupid Q1 num lock thing
[12:20] <asac> triple checked that its not on ... installing ;)
[12:20] <asac> lets see in 15 minutes
[12:20] <ogra> heh
[12:21]  * ogra is relieved 
[12:44] <asac> hmmm plenty crashes
[12:44]  * asac upgrades
[12:45] <asac> it it known that the Q1 cursors dont work, but "up" is F1? (-> Help)
[12:45] <asac> cursor-keys
[12:46] <asac> too bad that Q1 has no 3g ;)
[12:51] <asac> ogra: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/cool.gif ;)
[12:56] <ogra> asac, whats that ? 
[12:56] <asac> ogra: ffox3 ;)
[12:56] <asac> err 3.1
[12:56] <ogra> heh
[12:56] <asac> -moz-transform CSS style
[12:56]  * ogra wonders about the usecase :)
[12:57] <ogra> if you have a really broken sight, use ff 3.1, it can fix up your strabismus :)
[12:57] <asac> ogra: not sure ... animated html elements?
[12:57] <asac> err 3d html elements i mean
[12:57] <asac> but its not really 3d ... just transformed
[12:57] <ogra> yeah
[12:58] <ogra> not actualy useful for text elements 
[12:58] <ogra> but might open intresting opportunities for non text 
[12:59] <asac> ogra: i think its a bug that the location bar disappears sometimes here in fennec when scrolling vertically
[12:59] <asac> also those folks should _stop_ thinking that mac style is the world
[13:00] <asac> this grey is just ugly imo ... similar ugly as the mac ffox
[13:00] <ogra> yeah
[13:00] <asac> http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/firefox-3-themes.jpg
[13:01] <asac> mac is the worst imo
[13:02] <ogra> wow, they all have that ugly button layount now ? 
[13:02] <ogra> only linux doesnt
[13:02] <persia> We win :)
[13:04] <ogra> yeah
[13:11] <ogra> asac, is there any way to tell NM to look for a network connection on startup if its not configured yet ? 
[13:11] <ogra> i think it does that on the liveCD ... it doesnt seem to in the mobile image
[13:12] <ogra> i have to click the icon an select a network manually before installing
[13:37] <asac> ogra: which essid should NM use?
[13:37] <asac> if there are many?
[13:37] <asac> (which is the usual case nowadays)
[13:37] <ogra> the one with the strongest signal ? no idea
[13:38] <ogra> i just know it did try to connect by default in former releases
[13:38] <lool> asac: I don't think it's easy; what I mentionned instead is that ubiquity should poke about network status if it likes to use the net and NM says there's none at this point
[13:38] <ogra> currenty the installer is unhappy if there is no net
[13:38] <lool> Perhaps not ubiquity itself, but the underlying screen/whatever
[13:38] <ogra> we dont have a ship seed on the images so we dont have langpacks locally
[13:39] <asac> lool: right. the installer should honour online/offline status
[13:39] <ogra> which means it relies on having a connection up
[13:39] <lool> I don't think we can expect NM to connect to random nets
[13:39] <asac> exposed by NM
[13:39] <lool> asac: Yup
[13:39] <asac> it could also present its own AP selector
[13:39] <asac> and start the connection through dbus
[13:39] <ogra> i would like an option in the face of the user if it doesnt have a connection up
[13:39] <asac> lots of things possible ;)
[13:39] <ogra> its easy to miss that you are not connected atm
[13:40] <asac> i should dump firefox and go for NM only ;)
[13:40] <ogra> heh
[13:40] <asac> NM installer wizard ;)
[13:40] <asac> lool: i think mvo said that the he is working on online/offline for 9.04
[13:44] <lool> Excellent
[13:47] <smp4488_> is the usb image writeable?
[13:48] <ogra> smp4488_, no but you cn install packages to it
[13:48] <ogra> *can
[13:48] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageModification
[13:49] <ogra> well, or do other things ... the script gives you a writabe mode inside the image
[13:49] <amitk> StevenK: -4.9 kernel is usual location for upload. ABI bump due to xfs ignored.
[13:49] <amitk> lool: ogra: ^
[13:49] <smp4488_> so anything i do booted from the usb cant be saved
[13:49] <StevenK> amitk: \o/ !
[13:49] <lool> amitk: noted
[13:50] <lool> amitk: StevenK is jumping on sponsoring
[13:51] <StevenK> amitk: The .orig is still uploading?
[13:51] <StevenK> Ah, yes
[13:51] <StevenK> I don't need it
[13:52] <amitk> StevenK: yeah... sorry I delete it by mistake. Then realised that you _might_ need it.
[13:54] <StevenK> amitk: Uploaded
[14:17] <lool> YEAH \o/
[14:18] <lool> StevenK: Can you kick a daily image build when it's ready?
[14:19] <StevenK> lool: Probably not, since that will likely be 2am
[14:22]  * ogra will do that
[14:22] <ogra> lool, i assume that doesnt include fixed traslations yet ? 
[14:22] <lool> ogra: Perhaps check if it's ok with release team
[14:22] <ogra> will do
[14:22] <lool> ogra: You mean kourou updates?
[14:22] <ogra> yeah
[14:22] <lool> kourou wasn't uploaded yet AFAIK
[14:23]  * ogra suspects just importing xdg.Locale might help
[14:23] <ogra> fiddling with that atm
[14:23] <StevenK> I don't think I even had to do that
[14:23] <ogra> err, so is it fixed ? 
[14:26] <lool> I'm installing in French
[14:26] <ogra> ok, i'll stop poking that then
[14:34] <elegos> hello there
[14:34] <elegos> I've got a question: I've got an Eee-PC
[14:35] <elegos> what shold I do to fully enable functions and eventually fix problems after a fresh installation?
[14:35] <smp4488> im getting a kernel panic with mobile usb: not syncing vfs
[14:35] <elegos> should*
[14:37] <persia> elegos, There's some EeePC docs on the wiki, but I'm not sure how much they are based on Mobile vs. Desktop.  What's not working?
[14:38] <persia> smp4488, That's unexpected.  At what point in the cycle?
[14:39] <lool> I get translated .desktop names in kourou after an install in French
[14:39] <lool> Perhaps I didn't install the langpacks due to network issues last time
[14:39] <persia> Hurrah!
[14:40] <elegos> persia: dunno, the computer is of my girlfriend and, having troubles with ubuntu-eee, I wanted to find her an alternative
[14:40] <lool> I'll invalid that bug
[14:40] <persia> elegos, Hrm.  Most of it should just work.  I've heard of issues with WiFi on some models, where installing linux-backports-modules was a workaround.
[14:40] <StevenK> lool: \o/
[14:41] <StevenK> lool: The other two bugs are fixed locally
[14:41] <persia> Anyone have an Eee who could help elegos with understanding what might not work?
[14:41] <lool> StevenK: The %k and %i as well?
[14:41] <lool> Cause I was about to test my fixes
[14:41] <elegos> persia: what about EeePC 701 with Atheros card?
[14:41] <StevenK> lool: Yes
[14:42] <lool> You added a lambda?
[14:42] <StevenK> lool: I'm plotting crashing, but I can push my branch
[14:42] <lool> Please push; we need to get these changes uploaded and approved ASAP
[14:42] <lool> (and tested evidently)
[14:42] <persia> ogra, Do you know if the 701 was one of those that needed lbm?
[14:43] <ogra> persia, popey had to install lbm on a 700 iirc
[14:43] <StevenK> lool: This is untested stuff
[14:43] <elegos> what is LBM?
[14:43] <lool> linux backports modules
[14:43] <lool> a package
[14:43] <elegos> ok
[14:43] <ogra> elegos, it is in the image in the /debs dir 
[14:44] <ogra> you can install it manually after an installation
[14:44] <elegos> and what about tweaks needed by a standard 8.04 installation?
[14:44] <ogra> oh, you talk about standard 
[14:44]  * ogra thought he talked about mobile
[14:44] <elegos> yes I know
[14:44] <elegos> I'm speaking about the differences
[14:44] <ogra> no idea about standard ...
[14:45] <ogra> mobile uses a different desktop layout and themeing
[14:45] <elegos> i.e. graphics card boosted, shutdown issue (not shutdowing), Atheros WiFi card
[14:45] <elegos> (madwifi drivers)
[14:45] <ogra> the athreos card will be handled by lbm
[14:45] <ogra> i'm not aware o any shutdown issues
[14:45] <ogra> *of
[14:45] <ogra> since the eee has a intel 965 graphics card it should just work
[14:46] <elegos> I know about this project: http://www.array.org/ubuntu/index.html
[14:46] <ogra> just try out the mobile image, its a live image
[14:46] <elegos> since now it handles a custom kernel for eeePC
[14:46] <elegos> ok
[14:46] <ogra> you can test if it works from USB key
[14:46] <elegos> I'll try
[14:46] <ogra> if you see issues, tell us
[14:47] <elegos> the site says the standard intrepid kernel should have enabled by default these modules:
[14:48] <ogra> all i know is that mobile should just work ... apart from a wifi issue thats fixed with the lbm package
[14:48] <elegos> atl2 module (weird card) ath5k module (wireless card), uvcvideo module (webcam)
[14:48] <ogra> right
[14:48] <ogra> but ath5k is broken ... thats why you need lbm
[14:48] <elegos> ok so just that package
[14:48] <ogra> it shps a fixed ath5k
[14:48] <elegos> it's a good stard :)
[14:49] <elegos> start*
[14:49] <StevenK> lool: Pushed
[14:49] <elegos> what about hotkeys and frontmic?
[14:49] <ogra> just try it :)
[14:49] <ogra> no idea
[14:49] <elegos> ok :P
[14:49] <elegos> many thanks
[14:50] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/
[14:50] <ogra> mobile is there 
[14:50] <lool> StevenK: To where?!
[14:50] <lool> StevenK: Don't see any change in lp:kourou
[14:50] <StevenK> Oh, bugger
[14:50] <StevenK> Hang on
[14:50] <lool> It's basically something like:        repl = lambda matcho: sub_desktop_codes(matcho, desktop = path)
[14:50] <lool>         cmd = re.sub(r"%[a-zA-Z%]", repl, cmd)
[14:50] <lool> But I odn't know what to use, it's not "path"
[14:51] <lool> It's probably self.model[path].mething
[14:52] <StevenK> Once you put it into the model
[14:52] <elegos> last question: how can I import on an USB pendrive the image using MacOS?
[14:52]  * ogra doesnt know if macos has dd
[14:52] <persia> elegos, You'll probably have to use dd (assuming Mac OS X). 
[14:52] <ogra> there are instructions on the above page
[14:52] <elegos> yes, MacOS X (32bits)
[14:52] <persia> sudo dd if=$(mobile image) of=$(pendrive device) bs=1024
[14:53] <ogra> look fo the image writing guide
[14:53] <elegos> dd does exist on MacOS ^^
[14:53] <persia> I don't remember how MacOS X does device handling.  Ask back if you get stuck, and I'll go boot that machine.
[14:53] <ogra> link is in the middle somewhere
[14:55] <elegos> p.s. do I need to do anything else after that command? I mean... any custom partitioning, any boot settings?
[14:55] <ogra> no
[14:55] <elegos> ok thanks
[14:56] <ogra> just follow the guide and you should be good
[14:56] <persia> elegos, Be aware that the command I suggested will overwrite the USB key.  You probably have to reformat it to use it for anything else.
[14:57] <elegos> that's not a problem :)
[14:57] <elegos> ah, another question: the base system how many GB do it use?
[14:57] <elegos> does*
[14:57] <StevenK> 2, or so
[14:57] <elegos> thanks
[14:58] <elegos> and is it included openoffice or something like that?
[14:58] <StevenK> Yea
[14:58] <elegos> thanks :)
[14:58] <StevenK> lool: *Now* it's pushed
[14:59] <elegos> /dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/ELEGODATA (msdos, local, nodev, nosuid, noowners) <[14:59] <StevenK> elegos: Yes
[14:59] <lool> StevenK: That works?
[15:00] <elegos> thanks
[15:00] <StevenK> lool: I don't know if it works
[15:01] <lool> It's not coming up
[15:01] <lool> I'm trying again
[15:01] <lool> StevenK: No home screen anymore...
[15:02]  * ogra had that before 
[15:02] <ogra> black screen ? 
[15:02] <lool> ogra: Well I get hte marquee
[15:03] <lool> So some python traceback on load
[15:03] <ogra> right
[15:03] <ogra> but no kuourou
[15:03] <ogra> kuorourouroou
[15:03] <ogra> uuu
[15:03] <lool> StevenK: rather than map + lambda, consider [x for y]
[15:03] <StevenK> lool: Yeah, you'll have a traceback in .xsession-errors
[15:04] <lool> Oh indeed; didn't scroll high enough
[15:04] <lool>   File "/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/kourou.py", line 155
[15:04] <lool>     p = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True)
[15:04] <lool>     ^
[15:04] <lool> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[15:04] <StevenK> What did I screw up?
[15:04] <StevenK> Oh, duh
[15:05] <lool> You didn't close your sub_desktop_codes()
[15:05] <StevenK> Missing closing bracket on the previous line
[15:05] <lool> But I'm pretty sure it doesn't work
[15:05] <StevenK> Why not?
[15:05] <lool> Trying with a bracket
[15:06] <lool> StevenK: Because that calls sub_desktop_codes() at the time where you name it
[15:06] <lool> It doesn't create an anonymous function
[15:07] <StevenK> What do you suggest?
[15:07] <lool> What I pasted earlier here
[15:08] <lool> Cool, works fine
[15:09] <lool> pushing
[15:09] <lool> StevenK: lp:~lool/kourou/fix-anonymous-func-and-bracket
[15:10] <StevenK> I think I just fixed it too
[15:10] <smp4488__> how can i install from the usb drive if i booted from the live cd?
[15:10] <lool> StevenK: Did you test it?
[15:10] <StevenK> lool: Nope
[15:10] <ogra> smp4488_, ? 
[15:10] <lool> StevenK: So please merge mine instead; I tested it
[15:10] <ogra> smp4488_, you need to boot from the usb key
[15:11] <smp4488__> i cnat boot from the ubs drive i cant run the noacpi command
[15:11] <lool> StevenK: Can you please release and upload?
[15:12] <elegos> sudo dd if=ubuntu-mobile.img of=/dev/disk2s1 bs=1024
[15:12] <elegos> dd: /dev/disk2s1: Operation not supported
[15:12] <elegos> what's wrong with it?
[15:13] <lool> elegos: What's your OS?  MaxOSX?
[15:13] <elegos> yes, MacOS X 10.4.1 "Leopard"
[15:13] <lool> elegos: Are you 100% confident it's the pathname to the USB key?
[15:13] <lool> elegos: Make sure you unmount it too
[15:14] <elegos> 10.5.5*
[15:14] <lool> elegos: It's probably just /dev/disk2
[15:14] <elegos> I've tried that too
[15:14] <lool> elegos: But make damn sure it's the USB key
[15:14] <lool> Don't wipe your hd
[15:14] <elegos> lol
[15:14] <lool> elegos: So perhaps it's something else, no idea
[15:14] <elegos> /dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/ELEGODATA (msdos, local, nodev, nosuid, noowners) <[15:15] <elegos> ls /dev | grep disk
[15:15] <elegos> disk0
[15:15] <elegos> disk0s1
[15:15] <elegos> disk0s2
[15:15] <elegos> disk0s3
[15:15] <elegos> disk1
[15:15] <elegos> rdisk0
[15:15] <elegos> rdisk0s1
[15:15] <elegos> rdisk0s2
[15:15] <elegos> rdisk0s3
[15:15] <elegos> rdisk1
[15:15] <elegos> uhm <.<
[15:15] <elegos> I think it was COMPLETELY unplugged it
[15:15] <elegos> had*
[15:15] <elegos> damn macos :P
[15:15] <lool> elegos: Do you have mount/umount?
[15:16] <lool> elegos: Plug in, umount and try disk2 or rdisk2
[15:16] <elegos> sudo umount /dev/disk2s1
[15:16] <elegos> umount: unmount(/Volumes/ELEGODATA): Resource busy
[15:16] <lool> IIRC rdisk is just the raw version which doesn't eat your RAM
[15:16] <StevenK> lool: We independly wrote the same code
[15:16] <lool> elegos: Close any open windows in the file browser
[15:16] <lool> StevenK: Push and I'll confirm then
[15:16] <elegos> can't close Finder :P but I can go away from it
[15:16] <elegos> maybe it's the desktop icon?
[15:17] <StevenK> lool: Pushed
[15:18] <elegos> W umount -f
[15:18] <smp4488> how do i boot noacpi for the usb image?
[15:18] <lool> StevenK: Yup, matches
[15:18] <StevenK> lool: Told you :-)
[15:18] <lool> StevenK: So release and upload would be nice; last important milestoned bugs
[15:18] <lool> For us
[15:18] <elegos> what FS is the UM image?
[15:19] <StevenK> elegos: VFAT
[15:19] <persia> elegos, VFAT
[15:19] <elegos> hanks
[15:19] <elegos> thanks
[15:25] <smp4488> noapic option?
[15:26] <lool> StevenK: So as I was saying earlier, at your convenience you might want to replace map(lambda x: x.lower(), dentry.getOnlyShowIn()) with [x.lower() for x in dentry.getOnlyShowIn()]
[15:26]  * StevenK prefers map :-P
[15:29] <persia> smp4488, Just enter an alternate kernel command line at the grub prompt within the 5-second window.
[15:30] <ogra> smp4488, or mount the usb key on another machine and edit syslinux.cfg
[15:31] <lool> persia: itz hard to type on Q1U!!1!
[15:31] <lool> I'd love to have the same menus as the desktop's ISO
[15:31] <persia> lool, Attach a keyboard or get a different UMPC :p
[15:31] <smp4488> none of the kernel options will work
[15:31] <ogra> lool, wireless kbd ftw :)
[15:31] <smp4488> i get kernel not found
[15:31] <persia> smp4488, Are you entering the full command line?  It's just a grub prompt.
[15:32] <lool> persia: You also need to know about the actual command line to type
[15:32] <lool> Oh grub prompt
[15:32] <persia> lool, True.  Menus are easy for Jaunty.
[15:32] <ogra> thats why i said edit syslinux.cfg :)
[15:32] <smp4488> i dont think it is a grub prompt all i get is boot:
[15:32] <persia> editing syslinux.cfg means no using the target keyboard (good for lool)
[15:33] <lool> smp4488: If you're booting from USB key, either edit syslinux.cfg or type its content on the boot: prompt
[15:33] <persia> Oh, right, it's not a grub prompt.  It's a syslinux prompt.
[15:33] <lool> smp4488: Otherwise, from a grub menu, press "e" on the kernel line and add some options
[15:33] <smp4488> anything i type in the prompt i get kernel not found
[15:34] <ogra> really, edit syslinux.cfg
[15:35] <smp4488> with what option just noapic?
[15:35] <ogra> no idea, whaever you wanted to add
[15:35] <ogra> mount the key on a desktop, edit syslinux.cfg and add what you want 
[15:36] <smp4488> because i can get the live cd to boot with the noapic under the settings
[15:36] <ogra> so why do you think you need it for the usb key ? 
[15:36] <ogra> its the same kernel
[15:37] <smp4488> the usb image is the mobile image and the cd is the full
[15:37] <ogra> full ? 
[15:37] <smp4488> full ubuntu install
[15:37] <ogra> there is no difference apart from desktop layout and theme
[15:37] <ogra> mobile just has a different UI setup
[15:37] <ogra> the app selection is the same
[15:38] <smp4488> yea but i want the inital setup without the extra bulk
[15:39] <ogra> apt-get remove ubuntu-mobile-default-settings after install ... then reboot
[15:40] <smp4488> no i want the mobile ui
[15:40] <ogra> ??
[15:40] <ogra> you just said you dont
[15:40] <ogra> what do you call extra bulk then ? 
[15:40] <smp4488> no i have the mobile image on usb and the full ubuntu install on cd
[15:40] <ogra> there is *no* difference apart from ubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[15:40] <smp4488> i can boot the cd with noapic option but i cant with the usb drive
[15:40] <lool> amitk: ^
[15:40] <persia> smp4488, Did you try editing syslinux.cfg?
[15:40] <lool> smp4488: Which mobile image is this?
[15:40] <lool> smp4488: mid or mobile?
[15:40] <StevenK> lool: Kourou 0.9-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[15:41] <lool> StevenK: Kool, thanks
[15:41] <smp4488> persia: im working on that now
[15:41] <lool> StevenK: Sleep well, and have a nice WE
[15:41] <smp4488> lool: the mobile image
[15:41] <persia> smp4488, It's probably just the differences between isolinux and syslinux then.
[15:41] <amitk> smp4488: what hw is this?
[15:41] <lool> amitk: Nevermind; I thought it was lpia/i386 delta in config
[15:42] <lool> But that was an overly quick judgment
[15:42] <ogra> smp4488, ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img ?
[15:42] <persia> It's just bootloader differences
[15:42] <smp4488> its an intel x86
[15:42] <ogra> smp4488, this image ? 
[15:42] <smp4488> orga: yes that it
[15:43] <ogra> well, i dont see why it wouldnt boot
[15:43] <StevenK> lool: Needs to be accepted by a member of -release, though
[15:43] <ogra> persia, its the same bootloader, syslinux == isolinux
[15:44] <ogra> they just use different filesystems but are internally the same
[15:44] <smp4488> ok i changed the syslinux.cfg
[15:44] <ogra> smp4488, where exactly does it hang ? 
[15:44] <ogra> or how ...
[15:45] <smp4488> i get a kernel panic right after the boot screen
[15:45] <ogra> a kernel panic or do you end up in a busybox shell ? 
[15:45] <lool> StevenK: Does it fix german?
[15:45] <StevenK> lool: Yes
[15:45] <lool> ogra: Can you try it out?
[15:45] <ogra> lool, will do, as soon as my german install finished
[15:45] <lool> ogra: Don't hide, we know you're german
[15:45] <ogra> just pulling the langpacks
[15:46] <lool> ogra: Ok, thanks
[15:46] <ogra> :P
[15:46] <smp4488> now im getting acpi aborted because of junk in compressed archive(i asume because of the syslinux.cfg edit)
[15:46] <lool> ogra: Then we'd need to tell the release team about it
[15:46] <ogra> right
[15:46] <smp4488> then i get crc error and a kernel panic not syncing unable to mount root fs
[15:46] <ogra> i suspect it affects other langs as well
[15:46] <ogra> smp4488, that really sounds like a corrupted image
[15:47] <ogra> how big is your usb key ? 
[15:47] <smp4488> 1 gig
[15:47]  * ogra hasnt tried with 1Gig but it should suffice 
[15:47] <ogra> how did you write it to the key ? 
[15:47] <smp4488> with the disk image utility
[15:48] <persia> which disk image utility?
[15:48] <ogra> which one ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting this one ? 
[15:48] <smp4488> yea but i used the command line
[15:49] <smp4488> is there an iso for the mobile image?
[15:49] <ogra> no
[15:49] <ogra> only the img
[15:49] <ogra> if you do: md5sum ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img
[15:50] <ogra> do you get 0a6c824e3236bba21c37e729690f995d as return value ? 
[15:50] <smp4488> i have to run inside im out in the garage right now
[15:51] <ogra> all your errors look like the image or the usb key are broken
[15:51] <ogra> hrm
[15:51] <ogra> there he goes
[15:51] <smp4488_> sorry
[15:52] <ogra> ah, youre still here :)
[15:52] <smp4488_> im quick
[15:53] <smp4488_> 0a6c824e3236bba21c37e729690f995d  ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img
[15:53] <smp4488_> is what i got
[15:54] <smp4488_> so yes it matches
[15:54] <ogra> looks fine
[15:54] <smp4488_> i am at a loss this boots on my macbook fine
[15:54] <ogra> same usb key ? 
[15:55] <smp4488_> yea but i did try to make changes on my laptop but they never saved
[15:55] <smp4488_> think i may have messed something up?
[15:56] <lool> It could hang in the bios if you had written to partition instead of to disk, but that's not where it hangs
[15:56] <lool> smp4488_: Could be lack of hw support; what's your hw again?
[15:56] <smp4488_> its a via motherboard x86
[15:56] <lool> Ah you said Ubuntu works on it though
[15:56] <lool> So no idea really
[15:56] <smp4488_> yea
[15:57] <ogra> lool, german mid install ... same prob by default 
[15:57] <smp4488_> i have tried disabling acpi in the bios also, no luck
[15:57] <ogra> no kourou
[15:57] <lool> Ok; and with bzr kourou?
[15:57] <ogra> how much ram does your laptop have ? 
[15:57] <smp4488_> a gig and so does the pc
[15:58] <ogra> no reason then
[15:58] <smp4488_> like i said the cd only boots with the noapic
[15:59] <lool> Oh, and you didn't manage to pass it to usb?
[15:59] <lool> smp4488_: You need to pass in the full cmdline plus noapic, or you need to edit syslinux.cfg to add it
[15:59] <smp4488_> no and editing syslinux.cfg creates errors on startup
[15:59] <lool> Your editor might be messing up things perhaps?
[15:59] <ogra> lool, which branch ? 
[16:00] <smp4488_> hmm how would i boot totally from the command line?
[16:01]  * ogra sees 4 branches 
[16:01] <smp4488_> branches?
[16:02] <ogra> smp4488_, unrelated to your prob 
[16:02] <ogra> :)
[16:02] <ogra> lool, ^^^
[16:02] <smp4488_> thought so, what does bs=1024 mean at the end of the image creation?
[16:03] <ogra> make sure the blocks are written in the proper size to not have corruption during write
[16:03] <persia> blocksize.  It seems the larger one makes this, the less likely the image is to be corrupt.
[16:03] <persia> Personally, I use 1024k, but that eats RAM.
[16:03] <ogra> 1024 is a proper value
[16:03] <smp4488_> so that has nothing to do with it
[16:04] <ogra> well, you should use it
[16:04] <smp4488_> i just re wrote the image lets go test it out
[16:04] <ogra> else your image might be corrupt
[16:04] <smp4488_> ok
[16:04] <ogra> so you have to bribe it all the time 
[16:05] <smp4488__> cross your fingers
[16:06]  * ogra tries, but cant type then :)
[16:06] <persia> ogra, jjuastg hjuirt asnd peckj wrth xcreosswed finjgers
[16:06] <ogra> hehe
[16:10] <smp4488__> acpi unable to load system description tables
[16:10] <smp4488__> and no commands work at prompt
[16:10] <smp4488__> if it helps i had the mid image running last week
[16:11] <smp4488__> sorry
[16:11] <smp4488__> so what now?
[16:11] <lool> ogra: lp:kourou
[16:12] <ogra> lool, StevenK, fix works 
[16:12] <ogra> but 
[16:12] <ogra> none of the categories using umplauts have content
[16:12] <ogra> *umlauts
[16:12] <ogra> Accessories -> Zubehör ... Office -> Büro ... both are empty
[16:12] <lool> ogra: Good catch
[16:13] <lool> ogra: I have the same issue
[16:13] <ogra> the rest is fine 
[16:13] <lool> With Son et vidéo
[16:13] <ogra> and it doesnt crash anymore
[16:13] <lool> I can launch apps
[16:13] <smp4488__> can i piggyback off the live cd?
[16:14] <ogra> synaptic works
[16:14] <lool> ogra: Can you file the kourou bug?
[16:14] <ogra> will do
[16:14] <lool> ogra: Apps with é launch here; just some menus are empty
[16:14] <ogra> else it looks fine now
[16:15] <ogra> right, apps with umlauts are fine 
[16:16] <lool> Oh "Preferences"
[16:16] <lool> Should actually be Préférences
[16:16] <lool> Same issue as All and Home
[16:16] <ogra> thats our fault
[16:16] <lool> (which I reported already)
[16:17] <ogra> no translations for kourou
[16:17] <lool> ogra: It's not translatable, and it shouldn't be set in kourou.py anyway
[16:17] <lool> This should all be written using .menu logic and intltoolized
[16:17] <ogra> right
[16:18]  * ogra reports an upstream bug :)
[16:18] <ogra> bah
[16:18] <ogra> or not
[16:19] <lool> Please do
[16:19] <ogra> cant, have to file in ubuntus kuourou
[16:20] <persia> I discussed that with upstream earlier, and understood that there was a plan to .menu all and preferences : it just took time.
[16:20] <persia> ogra, upstream disabled bug reporting?
[16:21] <ogra> persia, upstream disabled upstream bug reporting
[16:21] <ogra> LP pushes me to report in ubuntu
[16:22] <ogra> lool, bug 288767
[16:22] <persia> I wonder why that wasn't done before.  upstream didn't want any bugs.
[16:22] <ogra> lool, critical or not ? 
[16:23] <lool> high
[16:24] <ogra> can you confirm as second person ? 
[16:24] <smp4488__> how many kernel images are on the usb image/
[16:24] <ogra> one
[16:24] <ogra> the same as used on the CD
[16:24] <iz8dwf> hello all
[16:24] <smp4488__> this is driving me nuts
[16:25] <iz8dwf> would this be a good place to ask for help in troubleshooting a quite annoying audio problem on a laptop? (ubuntu 8.04.1)
[16:26] <lool> ogra: I can't nominate the bug for intrepid
[16:26] <smp4488__> maby it is thi thumb drive but it boots on my laptop
[16:26] <ogra> lool, oh ? why ? 
[16:26] <lool> "OOPS"
[16:26] <ogra> ouch
[16:27]  * ogra tries instead
[16:27] <ogra> bah, me too
[16:27] <smp4488__> what is the name of the kernel casper/vmlinuz
[16:27] <lool> ogra: StevenK probably went to bed; would you be tempted to look into it.
[16:27] <lool> s/./?
[16:28] <ogra> after a break, yes
[16:29] <smp4488__> GOT IT!
[16:29] <smp4488__> wait lol got another kernel panic
[16:30] <smp4488__> vfs cannot open root device
[16:31] <lool> ogra: Happening with non-edge right?
[16:32] <ogra> right
[16:32] <ogra> i sadi so already
[16:37] <smp4488__> what would i use for root= ?
[16:37] <smp4488__> during boot
[16:38] <lool> smp4488__: The same thing as in syslinux.cfg :)
[16:39] <smp4488__> what is it so i dont have to reboot
[16:39] <smp4488__> /dev/ram0
[16:39] <lool>   kernel casper/vmlinuz
[16:39] <lool>   append file=/cdrom/preseed/mobile.seed boot=casper initrd=initrd.img persistent quiet splash noprompt
[16:39] <lool> smp4488__: You want: boot: casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mobile.seed boot=casper initrd=initrd.img persistent quiet splash noprompt
[16:39] <ogra>  /dev/ram0 ?? where did you get that from ? 
[16:40] <smp4488__> google
[16:41] <smp4488__> kernel panic again unable to mount root fs
[16:42] <ogra> really weird
[16:43] <ogra> can you edit syslinux.cfg and remove "quiet splash" at the end ? 
[16:43] <ogra> that will give you a lot more info
[16:43] <smp4488__> i can type it in without it
[16:43] <ogra> or that
[16:43]  * ogra usually prefers to edit syslinux.cfg :)
[16:43] <smp4488__> everytime i edit syslinux.config i get errors
[16:44] <lool> smp4488__: I suspect you need to use a more careful editor   :-/
[16:44] <smp4488__> it says the image is corrupt if i edit it
[16:44] <ogra> yeah, might be the editor
[16:44] <ogra> or you are not unmounting it properly at the end
[16:44] <ogra> who knows what machos does there
[16:45] <ogra> *macos :P
[16:46] <smp4488__> ok without quiet and splash i get the correct root= option
[16:48]  * ogra wonders why Cheese in german is called "Cheese-Website"
[16:48] <ogra> on my desktop its only "Cheese" in the menu
[16:48] <persia> To avoid confusion with Japanese umbrellas?
[16:48] <ogra> heh
[16:49] <ogra> japanese use cheese to cover from rain ? 
[16:49] <ogra> i knew they have weird ideas sometimes ... but not that weird :)
[16:49] <ogra> the smeelier the cheese the less wet you get ? :)
[16:49] <ogra> *smellier
[16:50] <persia> No, it's just that かさ can sound like käse when both are slightly mispronounced.
[16:50] <ogra> heh
[17:00] <smp4488__> it has worked
[17:01] <ogra> :)
[17:01] <smp4488__> i added noapci and acpi=off and took out quiet and splash
[17:01] <smp4488__> im looking at the desktop
[17:02] <smp4488__> now installing should be an adventure
[17:05] <smp4488__> persia you back
[17:06] <persia> Yes.
[17:09] <smp4488__> i got it
[17:15] <ogra-Q1> moo
[17:15] <persia> ogra has super cow powers?
[17:16] <ogra-Q1> lol
[17:21]  * ian_brasil_ kicks network manager
[17:25] <ian_brasil_> ah been bitten by #182489 on an upgrade yesterday
[17:26] <persia> bug #182489
[17:27] <persia> ian_brasil_, Install linux-backports-modules for now.
[17:27] <persia> There should be a copy of the .deb on the mobile image to make this easier, if you happen to have a recent mobile image around.
[17:28] <ian_brasil_> persia: thx..i tried to enable the atheros card in the hardware manager but that did not work ..acer aspire one
[17:30] <ogra> ian_brasil_, linux-backports-modules is in the /debs directory on the image
[17:33] <persia> ian_brasil_, Yep.  That's one of the affected models.  Also Eee 701 and 901, Samsung Q1U.  Bunch of others.
[17:40] <ethana2> Any Ubuntu Netbook people present and awake today?
[17:44] <james_w> ethana2: if you have a question it is better to ask it, someone may be able to help
[17:45] <ethana2> still about the window-picker-applet
[17:45] <ethana2> you know, the best applet of its kind
[17:45] <ethana2> ever to grace this rock
[17:45] <ethana2> ...needs to be able to minimize/unminimize windows by clicking on their entries
[17:45] <ethana2> like with the window list applet
[17:46] <ethana2> james_w: have you seen my screenshots?
[17:46] <ogra> file a whishlist bug so that can be added in jaunty
[17:46] <ethana2> http://i35.tinypic.com/inbix2.png
[17:46] <ethana2> Well, I was using PPAs with Hardy, using PPAs with Intrepid won't kill me either
[17:47]  * ethana2 tries to file enhancement
[17:49] <ethana2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/window-picker-applet
[17:50] <ethana2> uhhh, i don't see how I can file this, the options are greyed out, even after I logged in
[17:50] <james_w> ubuntu-bug window-picker-applet
[17:50] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet
[17:51] <ogra> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet/+filebug
[17:52] <james_w> "ubuntu-bug -p window-picker-applet" I mean, sorry
[17:52] <ethana2> ah
[18:13] <ethana2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/window-picker-applet/+bug/288812
[18:24] <ethana2> ..are there any changes I should make to that report?
[19:04] <persia> lool, Just reproduced 288320 : I can force the install locale to be en_US, or we can depend on networking.  A proper fix looks deep and complicated (although I can investigate this)
[19:08] <ogra> lool, got the fix for bug 288767 ... attached
[19:15] <persia> ogra, That's a two-line patch :p  Nice find.
[19:15] <ogra> one
[19:16] <ogra> oh, right, the first line can even go
[19:16] <persia> Read the patch.  Line 1 + line 106/107
[19:16] <ogra> i'm just used to have it like that :)
[19:16] <ogra> 106/107 are the ones needed
[19:17] <ogra> line 1 just makes sure that utf8 code or comments will be repected
[19:17] <ogra> *respected
[19:17] <persia> Right.
[19:17] <persia> line 1 is immaterial : it's just there.
[19:17]  * ogra cleans that up
[19:19] <persia> Next question : why only there?  What about line 103?
[19:20] <ogra> it doesnt break ?
[19:22] <ogra> i woud write it completely different if i couldnt count the hours to final freeze 
[19:23] <ogra> thats actually the thing that breaks and if i can fix it with a single line i'll do that
[19:24] <ogra> lool, can you test that fix in french ? 
[19:25] <lool> ogra: Which one?
[19:25] <lool> ogra: Ok, will test
[19:25] <ogra> bug 288767
[19:26] <ogra> the second one 
[19:26] <ogra> first patch has unneeded extra cruft
[19:26] <lool> Erf
[19:26] <ogra> erf ? 
[19:26] <lool> I would have bet that we would end with a str(smth) in the source
[19:26] <lool> But we ended up with an unicode(smth) :)
[19:27] <lool> erf == lol
[19:27] <ogra> ah :)
[19:27] <lool> arf, urf
[19:27] <ogra> heh
[19:28] <ogra> i would really love to find a better way for the blurry scaled icons as well
[19:28] <ogra> looks ugly
[19:28] <ogra> but i fear thats nothing to get past the release team and would be more than a one liner
[19:29] <lool> persia: Re: 288320, what I'd love to see is good documentation of what breaks and why and long term correct fix; if you know a quick fix, you can discuss with cjwatson whether to include it
[19:29] <persia> quick fix is to preseed en_US
[19:30] <lool> persia: But then one can't change the lang?
[19:30] <persia> Only post-install, which is why I don't like it.
[19:30] <lool> ogra: Works fine, well done!
[19:30] <ogra> :)
[19:31] <persia> Slightly less ugly workaround is to add a bunch of langpacks to the image, but that requires modification to livecd-rootfs.
[19:31] <lool> ogra: Hmm do you see synaptic?
[19:31] <ogra> yes
[19:31] <ogra> in preferences
[19:31] <lool> Oh right, I didn't upgrade to Steve's package yet; only kourou.py
[19:32] <ogra> even with a proper "Synaptic Paketverwaltung"
[19:32] <ogra> the only odd thing is Cheese
[19:32] <ogra> called "Cheese Website" in german
[19:32] <lool> Studio Webcam Cheese
[19:32] <ogra> in english it was ok
[19:33] <ogra> and in my desktop its just called Cheese
[19:33] <ogra> not sure where it gets -Website from
[19:34] <ogra> well, its like that in the german translation in the .desktop file
[19:37] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/cheese-q1u-2008-10-24-203354.jpg
[19:37] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/cheese-q1u-2008-10-24-203542.jpg
[19:38] <lool> ogra: Can you push kourou with this change?
[19:38]  * ogra is just looking at the icon stuff
[19:39] <lool> what icon stuff?
[19:39] <ogra> they are very very blurry and badly scaled
[19:40] <lool> ogra: svg isn't included
[19:40] <lool> I filed a bug about this
[19:41] <ogra> it will still pick xpm
[19:41] <lool> It asks for png as well
[19:41] <ogra> svg should be the only one in that list 
[19:41] <lool> Don't think we have svg for everything
[19:41] <ogra> and it should use gtk.ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR as base
[19:42] <ogra> BUTTON is 24x24 
[19:42] <ogra> LARGE_TOOLBAR is at least 36x36
[19:43] <ogra> i dont seem to miss any icons with svg only
[19:43] <ogra> and with LARGE_TOOLBAR a lot of them look better ... i.e. totem and therminal
[19:44] <ogra> it seems to fall back to png or xpm anyway
[19:46]  * ogra tries without scaling
[19:47] <ogra> geez
[19:48] <ogra> without scaling using DIALOG as base size all look crisp and clean, but the neverball icon is about 96x96
[19:51] <persia> ogra, That icon was amusingly contentious, and resulted in long discussions with upstream.  You *really* want to scale.
[19:53] <ogra> so i just found that xdg.IconPath.getIconPath doesnt use gtk iconsizes at all
[19:53] <ogra> and why should it, its not a gtk function
[19:53] <ian_brasil> i just ran a performance test on the gtk NewHumanMobile theme and it reported Total time: 748.88 second.the default Huma Clearlooks came in at 154.12
[19:54] <ogra> well, the price for bling :)
[19:54] <ogra> we can improve that in jaunty
[19:54] <ogra> NewHumanMobile uses murrine as engine
[19:54] <ian_brasil> yes, i saw that
[19:55] <ogra> dont compare it with a low end engine ;)
[19:57] <ian_brasil> fair point
[19:58] <ogra> lool, why the heck does Steven use Human as default icon theme if human-icon-theme isnt installed at all ? 
[19:58] <ogra> alone changing Human to gnome makes a huge improvement 
[19:58] <ogra> since Human is nonexistent on the image
[19:59] <lool> ogra: I think he has gnome too
[19:59]  * ogra checks if installing human makes a difference
[19:59] <lool> ogra: Can you make sure you upload the kourou fix for utf-8?
[19:59] <ogra> if i hardcode gnome at the place where he uses Human i get proper crisp icons for most stuff
[19:59] <lool> I'm going to go afk soonish
[19:59] <lool> ogra: For other stuff about kourou: please file bugs :)
[20:00] <lool> ogra: If you think it's worth it for intrepid, prepare the changes and propose an upload with them to StevenK
[20:00] <ogra> yeah, well, then i'll also call it a day 
[20:00] <ogra> nah
[20:00] <ogra> i will just use mobile on my Q1 ... :P
[20:00]  * ogra goes to prepare the upload
[20:01] <davidm> please make sure to leave StevenK explicit directions if you need anything done.
[20:01] <lool> ogra: Please file bugs for actual bugs which we care fixing on the long term though
[20:01] <ogra> davidm, i'll do the upload myself 
[20:01]  * lool waves
[20:01] <ogra> lool, you said you had one for icons ? 
[20:02] <lool> ogra: I have one for svg
[20:03] <lool> Trying to grab it
[20:03] <ogra> that should suffice to look into the icon loading stuff
[20:03] <ogra> its a mess all over and needs rewrite, i think he just took my pre production code for it 
[20:03] <lool> Weird, can't find it
[20:04]  * lool goes to reported bugs
[20:04] <ogra> well, i'll do the upload now
[20:04] <lool> ogra: Can't find it sorry; I thought I had filed it
[20:06] <lool> Pff I don't even find the bugs I reported yesterday *sigh*
[20:07] <lool> Now I'm sure I reported it, I remember suggesting using a flag
[20:07] <ogra> hrm
[20:08] <ogra> how does steven do the versioning ? 
[20:08]  * ogra doesnt get it ... 
[20:08] <ogra> seems to be a native package but uses -0ubuntu1
[20:08] <ogra> what version do i raise now ? 
[20:08] <lool> Grr, I'm certain I reported it, and can't find it in my bug mailbox either
[20:08] <ogra> -0 or ubuntu1 ? 
[20:08]  * ogra is confused
[20:09] <persia> ogra, Are you on the upstream dev team?
[20:09] <lool> I give up
[20:09] <ogra> the branch is woned by ~ubuntu-mobile
[20:09] <ogra> *owned
[20:09] <persia> ogra, If so, and you want to do a new upstream release, you can do that.  If not, push a new ubuntu revision (-0ubuntu2) and upstream can merge later.
[20:09] <lool> lp:kourou?
[20:09] <ogra> i'm member of that i think
[20:10] <persia> Yes, but you have to publish the tarball if you do a new upstream.
[20:10] <ogra> tarball ? 
[20:10] <ogra> huh ?
[20:10] <ogra> oh, for the package you mean
[20:10] <ogra> hrm
[20:11]  * lool is really becoming crazy and can't find the bug he reports
[20:11]  * lool calls time for WE
[20:11] <ogra> persia, only the orig.tar.gz, right ? 
[20:11] <ogra> or is there any other place we publish tarballs
[20:11] <persia> ogra, Actually, looks like upstream hasn't released a tarball, and we're just pulling VCS snapshots.  May as well push a new upstream if you like.
[20:12] <ogra> ok
[20:14] <elegos> hello there
[20:14] <elegos> I've got a problem lol
[20:14] <elegos> I've just tried to launch the live USB on my girlfriend's eeePC
[20:15] <elegos> when the graphic should come up, it simply returns to the console :S
[20:15] <elegos> (finishing the orange line)
[20:18] <persia> that's unexpected.  It's Intel 945 graphics, right?
[20:20] <elegos> uhm
[20:20] <elegos> how can I check it?
[20:20] <elegos> (but I think so)
[20:20] <ogra> it should be, what image is that ? 
[20:21] <elegos> the "current" one
[20:21] <ogra> and which eee version
[20:21] <elegos> 701 4GB
[20:21] <ogra> can you tell us the exact image name ? 
[20:21] <elegos> uhm
[20:21] <elegos> wait
[20:21] <ogra> "current" doesnt say much :)
[20:21] <elegos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/
[20:22] <elegos> that current one xD
[20:22] <ogra> well, you should have used rc ... but they are essentially the same
[20:23] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/
[20:23] <elegos> can try it
[20:23] <elegos> now I'm on a windows machine XD
[20:23] <ogra> how much ram does the ee have ? 
[20:23] <elegos> how can I mount the image on the USB?
[20:23] <elegos> 512MB
[20:23] <ogra> that should be plenty 
[20:23] <ogra> and many peope use that image on a eee 700 
[20:24] <ogra> we also had reports about eee 900
[20:24] <ogra> so its a bit weird it doesnt work for you
[20:24] <elegos> how could I check it?
[20:25] <elegos> maybe via X11/xorg.xonf?
[20:25] <elegos> conf*
[20:25] <elegos> using vesa?
[20:26] <elegos> p.s. nano seems to not be installed...
[20:26] <ogra> well, the image is for touchscreen UMPCs ... 
[20:26] <ogra> these rarely even have physical keyboards :)
[20:27] <elegos> lol
[20:27] <ogra> though i thought nano is pulled in by ubuntu-standard
[20:27] <elegos> damnit xD
[20:27] <elegos> and... now?
[20:27] <ogra> check Xorg.0.log
[20:27] <elegos> where is it?
[20:27] <ogra> where all log files are :) /var/log
[20:28] <ogra> less or more are installed to read logfiles
[20:29] <ian_brasil>  669.08 for the MurrinaFancyCandy theme on mobile
[20:29] <ogra> so mobile isnt to far away from a default theme shipped with the engine
[20:29] <ian_brasil> right
[20:29] <ogra> thats fine with me 
[20:30] <elegos> _XSERVTranceSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener
[20:30] <ogra> ian_brasil, btw i'll reply soon about the book thing, i'm intrested, was just to busy (not much sleep the last days)
[20:30] <elegos> [...]
[20:30] <elegos> fatal server error:
[20:30] <ogra> what driver does it pick
[20:31] <ogra> there should be many lines starting with a driver name 
[20:31] <ian_brasil> that is 156.82 on a normal intrepid laptop..same theme
[20:31] <ogra> like VESA or INTEL
[20:31] <elegos> Cannot establish any listening sockets - make sure an x server isn't already running
[20:31] <ian_brasil> ogra: cool no problem
[20:32] <ian_brasil> i wonder why the figures are so different..maybe processor spped and ram but that seems a lot
[20:33] <elegos> how can I check it?
[20:35] <elegos> how can I check the driver loaded?
[20:36] <ogra> its should show all over the logfile 
[20:36] <ogra> lines usually start with the driver name 
[20:36] <ogra> like VESA or INTEL
[20:37] <ogra> elegos, it fails in the live session already ? or is that after install ? 
[20:37] <elegos> live session
[20:37] <ogra> strange
[20:38] <elegos> i try to restart it so I can have fresh logs
[20:38] <ogra> there is definately a driver for the eee 700 in the image and other people are running it on that hw without probs
[20:39] <elegos> is there a special parameter for "safe mode"?
[20:39] <ogra> nope
[20:42] <elegos> Xorg.0.log says:
[20:43] <elegos> _XSERVTransSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener
[20:43] <ogra> no idea, sorry
[20:43] <elegos> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateLietener() failed
[20:46] <ogra> james_w, you had an eee 700, right ? 
[20:49] <elegos> Intel 915GM Chipset
[20:49] <ogra> yes, thats supported by the intel driver
[20:49] <ogra> which is on the image
[20:50] <elegos> downloading the RC image...
[20:50] <ogra> when did you download current ? 
[20:50] <elegos> today
[20:50] <ogra> well, shouldnt be different then
[20:50] <elegos> u.u
[20:51] <elegos> can I manually set vesa drivers @ boot?
[20:51] <ogra> not that i know 
[20:52] <ogra> try sunning startx in the console in which you are now
[20:52]  * ogra really needs to go ... 
[20:52] <ogra> *running startx
[20:54] <elegos> fatal server error: cannot establish any listening sockets - make sure an x server isn't already running
[20:54] <elegos> then - giving up
[20:54] <ogra> ctrl-alt-f7 ?
[20:54] <elegos> xinit: stale NFS file handle (errno 116)
[20:54] <ogra> huh ? 
[20:54] <elegos> just a blinking cursor
[20:54] <ogra> what are you running there  ? 
[20:54] <ogra> NFS file handle ? 
[20:55] <elegos> lol it is just that
[20:55] <elegos> xinit: Stale NFS file handle (errno 116): imable to connect to X server
[20:55] <ogra> well, there is something wonky going on and  wouldnt know why a live image should complain about nfs filehandles
[20:55] <elegos> unalble*
[20:55] <ogra> there isnt any nfs technology on it
[20:56] <ogra> are you sure you boot the right thing ?
[20:56] <elegos> u.u yes?
[20:57] <elegos> p.s. I had to disable wlan and lan because else it would loop trying to set up the net config
[20:57] <ogra> ??
[20:57] <elegos> from bios
[20:57] <elegos> onboard devices
[20:57] <ogra> network gets only set up by network manager
[20:57] <elegos> wait I'll tell you the exact step
[20:57] <ogra> which runs in the graphical session
[20:57] <ogra> so there cant be any loop in the image
[20:58] <elegos> have you put wicd in the distro?
[20:58] <ogra> at least not before your xserver is up
[20:58] <ogra> i dont even know what wicd is
[20:58] <elegos> lol?
[20:58] <ogra> but in any case you *cant* have any networking loop during boot 
[20:58] <ogra> not before X is up
[20:59] <elegos> you're saying it's just like the live image is loading up it using my files on my hard disk?!?
[20:59] <ogra> no
[20:59] <ogra> its only using its own files on the squshfs thats included in the image
[20:59] <ogra> *squashfs
[21:00] <elegos> Configuring network interfaces...
[21:00] <elegos> this is where it stops... waiting...
[21:00] <elegos> oh another error
[21:00] <elegos> Activating swapfile swap... [OK]
[21:00] <elegos> then
[21:00] <ogra> how big is the USB key you boot from ? 
[21:01] <elegos> find './.X11-unix/X0': Stale NFS file handle
[21:01] <elegos> 2GB
[21:01] <ogra> and how did you copy the image over to it ? 
[21:02] <ogra> that really doesnt look like you are booting the mobile image
[21:02] <elegos> with the dd method
[21:03] <elegos> how can I import the image via windows? (now I'm writing from it)
[21:03] <ogra> there might be a DD.exe for windows somewhere 
[21:03] <ogra> did you try to install ubuntu on the eee before ? 
[21:04] <ogra> sounds like its booting a broken local install or something
[21:06] <ogra> anyway, had a 14h day, i'm out now ... 
[21:06]  * ogra waves
[21:08] <elegos> here I am
[21:08] <elegos> currently running ubuntu eee :P
[21:33] <ian_brasil> GtkDrawingArea takes 140 secs with HumanMobileTheme but 70secs on MurrinaFancyCandy
[21:34] <ian_brasil> with text that is
[21:34] <ian_brasil> wonder how to work out why
[22:01] <persia> ian_brasil, strace -r might help.
[22:01] <persia> It at least tells you the relative time between some bits, and you might be able to piece together the place where it's slow.
[22:02] <ian_brasil> persia: ok..i will try that
[22:03] <persia> Hmm.  strace has some other timing options.  I'm not sure which is best.  man strace might give you other options.
[22:16] <elegos> persia: can I do anything for my eeePC?
[22:34] <persia> elegos, Not sure exactly.  I don't know how it's broken, nor do I really understand what the hardware is exactly.
[22:34] <persia> For wireless, I think linux-backports-modules should work.
[22:35] <persia> I don't know about X, as nobody has yet reported an issue with the graphics drivers.
[23:33]  * davidm is away: