[00:02] <zerothis> I'm having trouble installing virtualbox. The build failed for the kernel module. and "No suitable module for running kernel found." The installer suggested I install the sources from my kernel, I literally have everything "2.6.24-21" installed under adept. I guess that doesn't include source? how do install 2.6.24-21 source? vbox-install.log <http://pastebin.com/d698a801b>
[00:05] <zoredache> try a sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-source-2.6.24
[00:06] <zoredache> or what you may really need is the headers... sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[00:16] <zerothis> zoredache: thanks, attempting that now
[00:57] <OilFurnace> ext3 sucks
[01:05] <zoredache> oh?
[01:28] <GasFurnace> !ops
[01:28] <cody-somerville> GasFurnace, yes?
[01:29] <GasFurnace> hi
[01:30] <GasFurnace> !ops
[01:30] <GasFurnace> lol
[01:31] <GasFurnace> !ops
[01:33] <scopecreep> hehe
[01:34] <scopecreep> normally id be asking an obscure question, but *gasp* everything is working perfectly. yay xubuntu
[01:34] <cody-somerville> :D
[01:37] <scopecreep> oh can anyone recommend some cool looking mono fonts for my x terminal
[01:39] <cody-somerville> I enjoy monospace 12
[01:52] <knome> i like monospace 9
[01:57] <scopecreep> anyone know how to make the fonts in firefox look decent? everything else is fine but ffx
[01:58] <scopecreep> im running ibex
[02:08] <Eeyore-Jr> i need some help determining why my internet connection is not working
[02:14] <Chickengeorge> 123 Party
[02:14]  * Chickengeorge gives some Knockwurst
[02:14] <cody-somerville> No.
[02:14] <Chickengeorge> why?
[02:15] <cody-somerville> Take it to #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[02:15] <cody-somerville> We like to keep this channel for support
[02:15] <Chickengeorge> i am new on linux and i choosed Xubuntu
[02:15] <Chickengeorge> it is very good
[02:15] <cody-somerville> \o/
[02:15] <cody-somerville> w00t
[02:15] <cody-somerville> :)
[02:15] <Chickengeorge> i use it now since about 1 month and  its super
[02:16] <Chickengeorge> i am new in irc too.. so excuse if i make mistakes
[02:16] <Chickengeorge> can i ask about amarok here too? or just Xubuntu?
[02:17] <Chickengeorge> hello`all 58 users sleeping?
[02:18] <dsmith_> Responses to “NetBSD: An alternative to Xubuntu and Ubuntu Lite for machines with low specs.” yeah, recommend BSD then get a sh*t load complaints in the mailing lists when it doesn’t detect your hardware correctly. good one.
[02:18] <dsmith_> lol
[02:18] <dsmith_> <-- not sleeping
[02:18] <scopecreep> haha
[02:19] <Chickengeorge> i am lucky with xubuntu since now...
[02:19] <scopecreep> i spent 3 weeks kicking netbsd around my apartment
[02:19] <scopecreep> it doesnt like laptops for some reason
[02:19] <dsmith_> i only recommned *buntu's and linux mint distros now
[02:20] <Chickengeorge> yeah... me too
[02:20] <dsmith_> yes, I have used xubuntu in a office, I install on 4 old machines
[02:20] <scopecreep> i actually ran gentoo for a while successfully, but thats as hardcore as ive ever gotten
[02:20] <dsmith_> owner was like amazed that he could still use the machines
[02:20] <Chickengeorge> i have xubuntu here on 1ghz 380RAM 40GIG HD 128mb GFX
[02:20] <dsmith_> I told him to repalce all the power supplies, or buy spare at least and think about backing up the drives and eventually swapping those out as well
[02:21] <dsmith_> and a few spare amchines
[02:21] <dsmith_> *machines
[02:21] <Chickengeorge> 25Euro Epray-PC and it likes xubuntu very much
[02:21] <dsmith_> I sinallyed on P3 800's
[02:21] <dsmith_> Installed
[02:22] <Chickengeorge> thats nice too........
[02:23] <dsmith_> I wish I had kept my P2 300
[02:23] <dsmith_> like all the rest of the uninformed, I was told that there was nothing I could install on it
[02:23] <dsmith_> so junk
[02:23] <dsmith_> :(
[02:23] <Chickengeorge> one of my friend wants to try it on a ibm-thinkpad 700mhz laptop but he has problems with screen-resolution bigger than 800X600 he told me
[02:23] <dsmith_> I could still be using it to this day
[02:23] <Chickengeorge> is it possible to have bigger resolutions on this machine?
[02:24] <dsmith_> i dont know
[02:24] <Chickengeorge> okay.... n.p
[02:24] <Chickengeorge> do you know some informations about a amarok-script?
[02:31] <dsmith_> hmmm?
[02:33] <Chickengeorge> yeah
[02:47] <scopecreep> how do i change my system to a static ip?  my interface isnt in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:49] <xxploit> Hello, im using the 8.10 beta and when logging into the desktop the update manager pops up right in the front of the screen and checks for updates(autostarted). Ive disabled the autostart apps but yet it still comes up everytime anyone familar with stopping it from starting
[02:50] <scopecreep> have you updated your system yet?  you might want to do that once to get caught up
[02:50] <xxploit> yes everything is updated
[02:51] <cody-somerville> xxploit, might be from your saved session
[02:52] <xxploit> umm where does xfce save the sessions? and can I just delete the session file? Im pretty sure I choose to not save sessions but that does sound like it mite be whats up
[02:57] <cody-somerville> I forget tbh
[02:57] <cody-somerville> :P
[03:12] <K_Dallas> Good evening guys! Q: In prior to 8.04 versions, I used to change my display in xorg.config but in 8.04 and 8.10 there is barely anything there. How do I manipulate video card's resolution, etc? Thanks
[03:32] <omfgitsashark> hey can anybody help me install a theme
[03:33] <omfgitsashark> anybody online right now
[03:43] <omfgitsashark> hey anybody there
[03:47] <vocal6> yes
[03:47] <vocal6> we are all here, staring at your words
[04:15] <Jimmy0815> rapunzell
[04:16]  * Jimmy0815 Gives 500 Sausages to all here!!!
[04:17] <Jimmy0815> hello?
[04:17] <Jimmy0815> is here the chanel?
[04:17] <Jimmy0815> wassn scheis
[04:17] <cody-somerville> Jimmy0815, what do you need help with?
[04:18] <Jimmy0815> hello... i was just bored but still experimenting with my xubunto.. so i came here to chat relaxed
[04:19] <Jimmy0815> do you have any great hints and tricks for me? i am anwe Xubuntu
[04:22] <cody-somerville> Try the compositor :)
[04:48] <omfgitsashark> hey anybody therer
[04:49] <omfgitsashark> i downloaded and unpacked a theme but when i try to drag and drop it into the theme folder it wont let me
[04:50] <favro> use the .themes folder in your home dir
[04:51] <omfgitsashark> where is that located
[04:53] <omfgitsashark> i cant finid a home diriectory
[04:53] <omfgitsashark> well themes in a home diirectory
[04:53] <Odd-rationale> your home dir is /home/<your_username>
[04:53] <Odd-rationale> also known as ~/
[04:55] <omfgitsashark> im looking right now and i can see hidden filies
[04:55] <omfgitsashark> and nothinng about theme
[04:55] <favro> .themes is a hidden foder - ctrl+h when thunar is open
[04:55] <favro> make the folder then
[04:55] <omfgitsashark> name it .theme
[04:56] <favro> yep
[04:56] <omfgitsashark> ok
[04:56] <omfgitsashark> cool
[04:56] <omfgitsashark> and now it will show up
[04:57] <omfgitsashark> it didnt show up on the themes list
[04:59] <favro> got a link for the theme - where you got it from?
[06:02] <owen1> in the middle of installing firefox i get this: "the swap file or partition that was found in uswsup's configuration file is not active" any idea?
[06:13] <Maximilian1st> cody-somerville, Hi, the download link on ubuntu for the xubuntu rc is wrong "http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta"
[06:14] <cody-somerville> Thats because that page is for the beta
[06:14] <Maximilian1st> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.10/beta
[06:14] <Maximilian1st> oh
[06:14] <Maximilian1st> but I'm sure I clicked on the rc ad
[06:15] <Maximilian1st> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[06:15] <Maximilian1st> that is the link from the web site for the rc
[06:16] <Maximilian1st> it definitely says "Can't wait? Download the release candidate now."...
[06:18] <Maximilian1st> And the page for Ubuntu states "rc" http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/
[06:19] <Maximilian1st> Anyway, have a good night.
[06:20] <cody-somerville> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/804rc
[06:22] <cody-somerville> er
[06:22] <cody-somerville> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[06:48] <Nonie> hello guys
[08:00] <MHz128> hello world!
[08:02] <ml> hello
[08:06] <MHz128> How can I search apt-get repo's for what version of Flash they are serving?
[08:09] <ml> apt-cache search flash
[08:10] <MHz128> ml, awesome thanks! how can I search my system for the current flash version?
[08:10] <Myrtti> apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <ml> it's better if go to abobe site and download the bew version
[08:11] <ml> *new
[08:11] <ml> works better for me than nonfree version
[08:11] <MHz128> 10 4, so the repo version isn't always the latest?
[08:12] <MHz128> should I download the deb or apt package?
[08:12] <ml> one minute
[08:14] <ml> apt-get install abode-flashplugin or the deb from abode your choice
[08:14] <ml> the one in the repos is the latest
[08:14] <MHz128> apt-get will get me the latest version 10?
[08:14] <MHz128> ohhh ko
[08:14] <MHz128> ok
[08:14] <ml> yes
[08:15] <MHz128> Is there any way to automatically update these packages? or update the entire system?
[08:16] <ml> try apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[08:16] <MHz128> cool
[08:16] <ml> to list the install pkgs do a dpkg -l
[08:17] <MHz128> hmm, apt-get : couldn't find package adobe-flashplugin
[08:18] <ml> that's oddd I see it here
[08:18] <MHz128> do I need to add a new repo?
[08:18] <Myrtti> flashplugin-nonfree should install it
[08:19] <MHz128> I dont understand the nonfree aspect, does that mean Adobe?
[08:19] <ml> Myrtti that's the old version 10 is much better
[08:19] <MHz128> nonfree is 9.0 r124
[08:19] <Myrtti> ml: it's totally dependant on *which* version of ubuntu you're running
[08:19] <ml> that's justa a version
[08:20] <ml> i'm xubuntu 8.04
[08:20] <MHz128> Myrtti, how so? Im running hardy
[08:21] <ml> but didn't install from the repos I intalled from abobe
[08:21] <ml> the deb file
[08:21] <MHz128> Ill try the deb
[08:22] <ml> MHz128 but do a search first
[08:22] <MHz128> too late
[08:22] <ml> lol
[08:23] <ml> ok, it's just I see i here adobe-flashplugin -Adobe  Flash Player plugin version 10
[08:23] <MHz128> So confused, my system says its already installed
[08:23] <MHz128> do I need to reboot?
[08:23] <ml> it's wasn't in the repos when I instaaled it
[08:24] <ml> no restart your browser
[08:24] <ml> before version 10 the sound was horrible but with 10 it work's great for me now
[08:25] <ml> :)
[08:25] <MHz128> fcool
[08:25] <ml> try a youtube
[08:25] <MHz128> yup seems to work fine
[08:26] <Myrtti> youtube is not the ideal flash benchmark
[08:26] <ml> great :)
[08:26] <Myrtti> since youtube works fine with swfdec too
[08:27] <ml> anybody here try 8.10?
[08:28] <ml> Myrtti what would be better?
[08:30] <Myrtti> vimeo, ted.com etc
[08:32] <ml> can you explain the difference?
[08:33] <Myrtti> between swfdec and flashplugin-nonfree?
[08:33] <ml> using ted.com etc over youtube?
[08:36] <MHz128> thanks ml
[08:37] <ml> np
[08:37] <ml> enjoy
[08:42] <ml> MHz128
[10:49] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:49] <knome> lo
[10:50] <Ben_Cs> i upgraded to xubuntu 8.10. When i login i have SMB network share, but then it disappears. please help
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> should i stick to LTS, because it's more stable?
[11:04] <zerothis> I installed virtualbox, it didn't work for me, I removed it. But now no soundcards are recognized on my system. I purged it, reinstalled alsa-base, rebooted and still no sound. #vbox set me here.
[14:47] <ReAn> Curious, Can xubuntu run in console mode by default? I.e. boots to console, x only loaded when i manually start it?
[14:48] <knome> ReAn, yes, you can remove gdm from autostart
[14:48] <knome> ReAn, or just remove it completely if you don't want it
[14:50] <ReAn> well basically i wanna set up a LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) development server but i want the ability to load X if i need to
[14:50] <ReAn> that's why im looking into xubuntu in the first place (lightweight Window Manager)
[14:50] <knome> ReAn, well you could install ubuntu server edition
[14:50] <TheSheep> or you can remove gmd and tsrat X with startxfce4
[14:50] <knome> ReAn, and then just pull in x packages
[14:50] <TheSheep> *gdm
[14:51] <ReAn> knome: I've been told that has a larger footprint than xubuntu
[14:51] <ReAn> since the server kernel isn't designed for desktop processing
[14:51] <knome> ReAn, if you want maximum minimality, use the minimal cd and install whatever you need
[14:52] <ReAn> xubuntu has a minimal CD?
[14:52] <knome> it's the same for all *ubuntu
[14:52] <knome> because the different flavors are basically just ubuntu with a different WM
[14:52] <knome> /DE
[14:52] <ReAn> http://hex1a4.net/xubuntu/mirror/releases/8.04.1/release/ <--- was unable to find it
[14:53] <knome> !minimal
[14:53] <knome> ReAn, as i said, there is no xubuntu (nor kubuntu or ubuntu) specific minimal
[14:53] <ReAn> i see
[14:53] <knome> ReAn, it is the same for everyone of them
[14:53] <ReAn> but i can install xfse instead of gnome from the minimal cd?
[14:54] <knome> sure.
[14:54] <knome> minimal doesn't install anything you don't *definitely* need to run a system
[14:54] <knome> eg. no x packages neither a desktop environment
[14:54] <vidd> ReAn, if you so desired, you could also choose slim, which is a lighter DM then gdm
[14:55] <knome> vidd, i actually have quite splitted experiences with slim. it's not really any faster on my laptop than gdm
[14:55] <ReAn> then what's the point of the variants? xubuntu, kubuntu, etc.. if they're all exactly the same w/ different WM, i thought they were tuned for the WM as well
[14:55] <knome> ReAn, with some settings packages, software etc... yes
[14:55] <vidd> ReAn, the WM and the apps loaded with those WMs are different
[14:55] <knome> ReAn, but the minimal cd doesn't install those either
[14:56] <ReAn> really all i need is linux core, apache, mysql, php, x, some x-based text editor, and some minimal web-browser basically
[14:57] <knome> ReAn, as i said, if you want maximum minimality/control over pckgs, use minimal cd.
[14:57]  * vidd concurs
[14:57] <ReAn> i can always install packages later w/ atp-get right?
[14:57]  * vidd only installs with the mini.iso
[14:57] <knome> ReAn, sure. that's the point of minimal
[14:57] <vidd> yes
[14:58] <knome> vidd, i've been going towards that too :) my laptop now has openbox with pypanel and no graphical login ;)
[15:14] <Odd-rationale> i've gotten rid of pypanel on my openbox setup... :P
[15:30] <knome> Odd-rationale, so what are you running then?
[15:59] <Odd-rationale> knome: i've realized that i didn't really need one...
[15:59] <knome> hehe ok
[15:59] <knome> so how can you get a quick overview of the apps running?
[15:59] <Odd-rationale> the openbox alt+tab is pretty good for me... ;)
[16:00] <knome> omg
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> also i've linked the client-menu to a keyboard shorcut
[16:00] <knome> i suppose you don't run a lot of apps parallel?
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> the client menu is usually the one you get when you middle click the desktop.
[16:00] <knome> hmm
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> well, i really only use two apps, firefox and terminator
[16:00] <knome> didn't know that kind of stuff existed
[16:00] <knome> interesting
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> ocasionally gimp
[16:01] <knome> yeah
[16:01] <knome> this doesn't apply to my laptop, but on my desktop pc i have two displays
[16:01] <knome> so i usually have 15+ windows open
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> whoah. what do you do with all those?
[16:01] <knome> just because there is space to open that extra thunar window.
[16:02] <vinnl> I often have two or three Thunar windows, Bluefish, Firefox, Epiphany, Xchat, emesene a few windows and perhaps Pidging :)
[16:02] <vinnl> *Pidgin
[16:02] <knome> text editor, usually a few firefoxes (with multiple tabs inside of course), thunderbird, amarok, vmware (with it's own windows), notes plugin, a few terminals, a few thunar windows...
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> vinnl: firefox AND epiphany? :?
[16:03] <vinnl> Odd-rationale, yeah, Gmail crashes my Firefox :(
[16:03] <knome> oh, sometimes ff+epiphany+midori
[16:03] <vinnl> Of course, I also could have referred to
[16:03] <vinnl> !find epiphany
[16:03] <vinnl> :P
[16:03] <knome> (testing websites)
[16:03] <vinnl> !info epiphany
[16:03] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:04] <vinnl> And of course, sometimse Opera and IE and Midori as well to test websites :)
[16:04] <knome> yus
[16:04] <knome> and maybe dosbox running nhl'93
[16:04] <Odd-rationale> i'm willing to use firefox even though it might be slower... nothing really competes with it... :P
[16:05] <vinnl> Exactly
[16:05] <Odd-rationale> i'm addicted to some extensions anyways... :D
[16:05] <knome> i'm trying to get rid of firefox.
[16:05] <knome> i'm so hardcore webdev i don't usually need the webdev extension either
[16:05] <knome> or i'm too lazy to open it
[16:06] <Odd-rationale> my top ff extensions are: adblock plus, foxmark, and vimperator
[16:06] <vinnl> Ubiquity ftw :P
[16:06] <Odd-rationale> i couldn't live without those extensions... :P
[16:06] <vinnl> knome, don't you love the Outline feature? It's a real life-saver to me
[16:06] <vinnl> And the delicious.com thingy is awesome as well
[16:07] <knome> kind of yes, but usually i don't come into situations i had to use it
[16:50] <zerothis> Odd-rationale: firefox 2 is faster. there's also several scaled down versions of ff
[16:51] <zerothis> I installed virtualbox, it didn't work for me, I removed it. But now no soundcards are recognized on my system. I purged it, reinstalled alsa-base, rebooted and still no sound. #vbox set me here.
[18:39] <bytor4232> So does anyone know how to patch xfwm4 so I can stop avant from moving the windows to the current desktop?
[18:43] <C-O-B-O-L> Does Xubuntu have a launcher panel like GNOME?
[18:44] <C-O-B-O-L> I was trying to add some icons to the launcher panel - but could not get them to appear. This is a very important function. Thanks in advance!
[18:44] <bytor4232> C-O-B-O-L, its a little hard than with Gnome
[18:45] <bytor4232> you have to add a launcher to he panel first
[18:45] <bytor4232> Then open the properties, run appfinder, and drag the app you want in the launcher to the new launcher, click on the blank one, and delete it.
[18:45] <bytor4232> Sounds confusing, but once you do it a few times, you'll get it.
[18:46] <C-O-B-O-L> bytor4232, thanks for the reply. Doing that right now. Regards!
[18:46] <bytor4232> C-O-B-O-L, Something I wish they would fix for sure.
[18:47] <bytor4232> I'm struggling with another issue.  I don't want to run compiz, but I want to run avant-window-navigator
[18:49] <bytor4232> Whatever I click on an icon thats on another desktop, it refoccuses the window to my current desktop, rather than switching to the other desk.
[18:53] <zoredache> I haven't used avant, but how can you click an icon on a desktop you aren't on?
[18:58] <vidd> zoredache, i think he has his task bar panel app set to display all applications on all desktops
[18:58] <bytor4232> vidd, Correct.
[18:58] <bytor4232> When I do this with a regular panel, I get switched to another desktop.
[18:58] <vidd> by default, this setting will swap bring that desktop to focus if you click that task
[18:59] <bytor4232> Correct.  But in avant, it brings the window to the current desktop.
[18:59] <vidd> ewww
[18:59] <bytor4232> In compiz, i switch desktops.
[19:14] <bytor4232> I heard there was a patch to xfwm4, but so far google has not revealed the answer to me.
[19:16] <Woo> What's the off topic channel called?
[19:22] <zoredache> xubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <ReAn> ok, this is gonna sound stupid, so please don't hurt me
[19:45] <ReAn> I've installed a basic minimal install of ubuntu from the 5mb disc
[19:45] <ReAn> and i installed xorg & xdm
[19:46] <ReAn> now im a complete noob @ linux, but where do i need to go from here to get a 'usable' X environment?
[19:46] <ReAn> you know... like anything other than a x-enabled console
[19:47] <favro> sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop will make it like xubuntu
[19:47] <favro> and there are other window managers
[19:47] <ReAn> <3
[19:48] <favro> ReAn: oops sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop I meant
[19:48] <mnemoc> hi, how can one permanently unblock the "ring" nm wants to unlock each time I log to connect to my wlan?
[19:49] <ReAn> yea, i read typo fluently
[19:49] <ReAn> :)
[19:49] <ReAn> hrm
[19:49] <ReAn> 1gb, not quite as 'minimal' as i wanted, but ill compromise
[19:49] <ReAn> i just wish i could install more than one thing at a time
[19:49] <ReAn> *shakes fist @ apt*
[19:49] <ReAn> cuz i could be setting up and configuring my apache / mysql / php / svn atm
[19:51] <favro> you can install lots at once - just keep adding options
[19:51] <favro> !lamp
[19:51] <ReAn> well true
[19:51] <ReAn> but
[19:51] <ReAn> it's already going
[19:51] <ReAn> i gotta wait till it's done
[19:51] <favro> like sudo apt-get install thing1 thing2 thing3 etc
[19:51] <ReAn> i know
[19:51] <favro> k
[19:52] <ReAn> but it's already going id want to download LAMP's components seperately so i could configure them while xubuntu-desktop downloads
[19:53] <zoredache> the dpkg/apt system is not designed to allow multiple package managers to work concurrently...  It would be very difficult to do
[19:55] <ReAn> i just wish it was multi-threaded or something
[19:57] <zoredache> I don't think it could be done safely...  About cloest thing that you could probably do safely is have the -d (download only) option of apt-get not lock the files
[21:01] <mnemoc> hi, how can one unlock permanently and for every account the "ring of keys" nm-applet asks to unlock?
[21:08] <Wind67> ++
[21:32] <ReAn> ok
[21:33] <ReAn> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop completed
[21:33] <ReAn> how do i run it? 'startx' ?
[21:34] <favro> that should work - or install gdm for graphical login
[21:35] <ReAn> i have xdm
[21:35] <ReAn> not gdm
[21:35] <favro> sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start   will fire that up
[21:36] <ReAn> awesome, i just rebooted
[21:36] <ReAn> it worked
[21:37] <favro> happy xubuntuing then :)
[21:37] <ReAn> <3
[21:37] <ReAn> now to remember how to change the resolution
[21:37] <ReAn> fuck, that was easy
[21:37] <favro> I use xrandr -s 1400x900
[21:37] <ReAn> <3 xubuntu
[21:38] <favro> !ohmy
[21:38] <ReAn> sorry
[21:38] <favro> np :)
[21:38] <ReAn> i work around hicks a lot
[21:38] <ReAn> :/
[21:38] <favro> hehe
[21:38] <ReAn> i work for a cement company
[21:38] <ReAn> doing all thier comp stuff
[21:41] <ReAn> !lamp
[21:48] <vidd> Woo, hey...sorry for the sudden drop earlier....i got let out of work early and only had 5 minutes to get to the bus
[21:49] <vidd> now im home and locked out of the house =\
[21:49] <vinnl> vidd, you asked me to check whether Synaptic's quick search is still there, right?
[21:49] <vinnl> 0.o
[21:49] <vidd> no...i think tat was knome
[21:49] <vinnl> Oh OK
[21:49] <vinnl> i.e. the person interested in working on the documentation?
[21:50] <vidd> i was interested in possibly doing documentation...but i dont really do muc graphical stuff
[21:51] <vinnl> Oh OK
[21:51] <vidd> all te grapical stuff i do is not part of te default install
[21:53] <ReAn> is there a gui-based package manager for xubuntu? the default install installed a LOT of pointless things, id rather scrape out a bunch of the useless stuff like games, etc...
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: synaptics?
[21:53] <ReAn> do i have to find thier package names and axe them w/ apt?
[21:54] <ReAn> <3
[21:54] <vidd> ReAn, you can use the add-remove programs app too
[21:54] <ReAn> gui frontend for apt?
[21:54] <vinnl> Synaptic, gnome-app-install (aka Add/Remove...)
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: or you can do the other way around, start with a commnad line install and add what you want...
[21:54] <vinnl> You can even install packagekit to do it :P
[21:54] <vinnl> Or Smart Package Manager as well I believe
[21:54] <ReAn> Odd-rationale: i did start with a minimal install, but installed xubuntu-desktop
[21:55] <vidd> the package name for the games is gnome-games
[21:55] <ReAn> so it just installed ~1.1gb of stuff, i wanna trim down the crap i dont want
[21:55] <ReAn> like gnome-games
[21:55] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: yeah, xubuntu-desktop does pull in a lot of deps...
[21:55] <favro> you should have synaptic package manager in your menu then
[21:55] <ReAn> Odd-rationale: i woulda prefered to build it up one pkg @ a time, but frankly im not that good w/ linux
[21:55] <ReAn> i was presented with a x-desktop and a x-style console
[21:56] <ReAn> so i copped out w/ the bulk package
[21:56] <ReAn> i really only need a text editor & a web-browser
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: it is not that difficult... once you are familiar with the command line...
[21:57] <ReAn> well i couldn't find anything online and people here told me to apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[21:57] <ReAn> memory isn't really the issue, hdd space is
[21:58] <ReAn> and general use
[21:58] <ReAn> dont need much
[21:58] <ReAn> since it's a VM on my laptop
[21:58] <ReAn> but ill check the link out, thanks
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> ReAn: no, that links shows how to build from ground up...
[21:59] <ReAn> awesome
[21:59] <ReAn> thanks
[21:59] <ReAn> just a misleading title :p
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> useful for lowend support, but can be used for any system really...\
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> if you don't want the whole xfce stuff, you can even go with fluxbox or openbox, the guide convers those as well...
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> it would be a good idea to be familiar with nano or vim though...