[00:00] <ethana2> yeah, but i don't know it off the top of my head
[00:01] <DanaG> oopsie, forgot to build drm-modules-source for this kernel.
[00:01] <sabaua> mein problem mit java und firefox istz gelöst, dank "icedtea" / my problem with firefox and java is solved, thanks to "icedtea"!
[00:03] <ethana2> mein problem mit java und icedtea istz gelöst, dank Frapuccino
[00:04] <ethana2> .....decaf
[00:04] <ethana2> oh, that's right, i should try out java on 8.10
[00:04]  * ethana2 tests
[00:05] <blackvd> can someone please point me to a guide that actually works to fix pulseaudio in Ibex. Mine was working for a while till the update about two hours ago?
[00:06] <blackvd> now i cant get sound to play at all
[00:06]  * ethana2 is reminded that 8.10 isn't out yet
[00:09] <DanaG> Odd, nouveau is still eating lots of CPU time.
[00:09] <DanaG> And gnome login somehow becomes massively disk-bound.
[00:10] <ethana2> What is the recommended way to get a working java firefox plugin on 8.10?
[00:10] <ethana2> I think it asked me about it once, and i ignored it that time
[00:10] <wgrant> ethana2: Find a Java site. Click install.
[00:10] <ethana2> ..eww, no
[00:11] <ethana2> only stuff in repos
[00:11] <coppro> there are sun java packages
[00:11] <wgrant> I speak of the repo stuff.
[00:11] <ethana2> i don't want them if i can help it
[00:11] <filo1234> ethana2: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[00:11] <ethana2> thank you
[00:11] <ethana2> well actually
[00:11] <coppro> sun-java6-plugin
[00:11] <wgrant> Er.
[00:11] <ethana2> meh
[00:11] <coppro> yeah, filo1234 got it
[00:11]  * ethana2 installes
[00:11] <wgrant> Why not use the OpenJDK one?
[00:11] <ethana2> wgrant: okay, how do i do that?
[00:11] <coppro> because a) sun's is almost entirely free anyways and b) sun's works better
[00:12] <wgrant> It's even in main.
[00:12] <wgrant> icedtea6-plugin
[00:12] <wgrant> Ubufox should tell you to install it when you go to a Java-using website.
[00:12] <wgrant> And Sun's rarely works better now.
[00:12] <ethana2> wgrant, it did i ignored it
[00:12] <ethana2> it didn't say it would never let me use that dialog again
[00:13] <wgrant> It should ask you each time..
[00:13]  * ethana2 install icedtea6-plugin
[00:13] <ethana2> it should
[00:13] <ethana2> ...odd that it doesn't
[00:13] <filo1234> ethana2: dpkg -l | grep iced
[00:13] <ethana2> Suggested packages:
[00:13] <ethana2>   equivs sun-java6-fonts
[00:13] <ethana2> AHA
[00:14] <ethana2> THAT is why java never works right for me!
[00:14] <ethana2> Those are 'suggested'
[00:14] <ethana2> *facepalm*
[00:14] <ethana2> yeah, those are dependencies.
[00:14] <ethana2> if you want things to not not-work, you need those
[00:15] <filo1234> ethana2: ?? so you have icedtea or sun-java-plugin??
[00:15] <ethana2> i'm installing icedtea now
[00:15] <filo1234> ethana2: se it as default so
[00:15] <ethana2> there's nothing else installed, so..
[00:16] <filo1234> ethana2: sudo dpkg -l | grep java
[00:16] <acuster> hey all, is there a way to put a machine into 'sleep' mode from the command line?
[00:16] <coppro> filo1234: apt-cache search much?
[00:16] <coppro> acuster: sudo suspend
[00:16] <ethana2> fileo1234: it's not done installing yet
[00:16] <acuster> thanks
[00:17] <filo1234> ethana2: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[00:17] <filo1234> and set what you want as default
[00:17] <ethana2> i'll get to that
[00:17] <ethana2> when i have 1
[00:17] <acuster> update-java-alternatives
[00:19] <ethana2> why am i sitting here waiting for it to install fonts for 20 languages i don't speak?
[00:20] <ethana2> what the
[00:20] <ethana2> Netx needs a location for storing cache files?
[00:21] <ethana2> ..open source jnlp client..
[00:21] <ethana2> well don't ask /me/, I don't know, where do they belong?
[00:22] <ethana2> oh hey, it /doesn't/ need the sun java fonts, ok
[00:22] <ethana2> ...well, java in 8.10 works where 8.04 failed; I'm happy to see that
[00:23] <coppro> 8.04 failed with java?
[00:23] <coppro> never noticed
[00:23] <ethana2> fixed width fonts
[00:23] <andresmh> so I open my dvd (movie) via Places > FIGHT CLUB, I click on Open Movie Player, it opens Totem and then it quickly closes without showing any error
[00:23] <ethana2> like the typing test on hi-games.net
[00:23] <andresmh> i tried VLC and the same thing happens
[00:23] <ethana2> andresmh: application crashes are not acceptable
[00:23] <andresmh> how can I play the movie?
[00:24] <ethana2> please report the crashes
[00:24] <DanaG> !libdvdcss
[00:24] <ethana2> You can use gdb to get useful information about why they crash
[00:25] <ethana2> hmm
[00:25] <ethana2> gahh, i want to report a bug on cheese, but it doesn't have the menu option under 'help'
[00:26]  * ethana2 opens a web browser, goes to launchpad.net and tries to navigate to the relevant package, probably to see it's already been reported
[00:26] <andresmh> thanks ethana2, i'm trying the instructions on the restricted formats page
[00:26] <andresmh> even though it says on 8.04
[00:26] <ethana2> should be the same stuff
[00:29] <pasnox> hi guyz, i jsut updated to intrepid, all is working fine except that i can't install nvidia drivers, dkms build is failing
[00:29] <pasnox> is there a solution ?
[00:33] <blackvd> anyone know how to remove pulsaudio and use alsa?
[00:39] <ballzee>  i just put in my 8.04 cd and booted in live mode and its fast when i boot 8.10 its so slow  iv never gotten threw apt-get update yet even after 25 min anyone know what could be causing this ?
[00:40] <ballzee> cant even resolve a web page tried xchat.org toast.net nothing
[00:41] <pabligeno> hi
[00:41] <ethana2> ballzee: Do you know what gpu and network adapter you have?
[00:42] <pabligeno> any people can helpme?
[00:42] <keithclark> I updated to 8.10 recently and have been having some strange problems when I just noticed that my grub menu.lst was not modified.  It is still referencing 2.6.24-19-generic and not 2.6.27-7-generic.  How to correct this?
[00:42] <pabligeno> please
[00:42] <pabligeno> mmmm
[00:42] <pabligeno> i have ubuntu 8.10
[00:42] <ballzee> no
[00:42] <pabligeno> :(
[00:42] <ethana2> pabligeno: we certainly don't have enough information to do that, no
[00:42] <pabligeno> and i not see my wireless card
[00:42] <ethana2> ah, ok,
[00:42] <ethana2> continue
[00:42] <pabligeno> mm
[00:42] <pabligeno> ok
[00:42] <pabligeno> lspci
[00:42] <pabligeno> 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[00:42] <pabligeno> this is my wireless card
[00:42] <ethana2> interesting
[00:42] <pabligeno> and the modules are installed
[00:43] <pabligeno> mmm
[00:43] <ballzee> i looked in /etc/network/interfaces in 8.04 and its the same now
[00:43] <pabligeno> but in ifconfig ouput i not see my wireless card
[00:43] <ballzee> so is /etc/resolve.conf
[00:43] <pabligeno> mmm
[00:43]  * ethana2 just got confused
[00:43] <ethana2> i wish pidgin would have selected more different colors for the two of you
[00:43] <pabligeno> hot to solve this problem?
[00:43] <pabligeno> mmm
[00:44] <pabligeno> :(
[00:44] <pabligeno> how i can activate my wireless card?
[00:44] <ethana2> I guess... file a bug?
[00:44] <ethana2> it should Just Work
[00:44] <ethana2> if it does not, that's a Bad Thing
[00:44] <ethana2> in fact, that's probably all i can do for either of you
[00:44] <ethana2> 8.10 isn't out yet, it has bugs, you've run into them
[00:44] <ethana2> be sure they have been reported
[00:45] <ethana2> for workarounds, you'll need somebody who knows more than i do
[00:46] <ballzee> ill go baCK to 8.04 i guess wish i could uninstall this
[00:46] <DanaG> Hmm, is there anything about the wifi card in /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:46] <ethana2> always have two installs
[00:46] <DanaG> There shouldn't be anythign there.
[00:46] <ethana2> I had a borked intrepid in a dual boot for a while
[00:46] <ethana2> I'm going to keep 8.04.1 for quite some time along side intrepid
[00:46] <ethana2> maybe even beside jaunty
[00:47] <ballzee> im not dual booting for anything
[00:47] <keanu> I've found one small bug and one possible bug
[00:47] <ethana2> yeah, i used to do that too, but i learned my lesson
[00:47] <keanu> XChat cleared the network list, which I'm thinking is a possible bug
[00:47] <ethana2> keanu: can you reproduce it?
[00:48] <ballzee> takes under an houre to install i didnt waste much time
[00:48] <keanu> and when disabling the touchpad, the mouse can still move if started in the top right corner
[00:48] <lacqui> i've decided to virtualize instead of dual booting
[00:48] <keanu> ethana2, what am I testing?
[00:48] <keanu> just closing xchat and restarting?
[00:48] <ethana2> keanu: whatever triggered the buggy behavior
[00:48] <ethana2> if you can describe how to see the bug so someone else can verify it
[00:48] <ethana2> it'll make it easier to get it fixed
[00:48] <keanu> ethana2, I installed about 100 updates and restarted my computer =/
[00:49] <keanu> I'll try restarting xchat, in case it isn't saving the settings properly
[00:49] <ethana2> 'running updates' isn't very helpful as a description of what triggered behavior unless you know package names
[00:49] <zume> I see there is #kubuntu-offtopic, but does ubuntu have an offtopic room?
[00:49] <ethana2> zume: yes.
[00:49] <ethana2> ..i think
[00:50] <zume> ethana2: Wow apparently it does. Cool beans.
[00:51] <charlie-tca> zume: Ubuntu would be #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:51] <zume> charlie-tca: yea i found it thanks :P
[00:52] <ethana2> i think i'll expand the rule i made for myself
[00:52] <ethana2> from no checking for updates less than 6 hours after checking previously..  up to 8
[00:52] <coppro> I have it on cron
[00:53] <ethana2> heh
[00:53] <coppro> and yet still insist on checking every half hour or so
[00:53] <coppro> :/
[00:53] <ethana2> yeah, i had to stop myself from doing that
[00:53] <ethana2> that's exactly why i made that rule
[00:53] <ethana2> to not go all OCD on update-manager
[00:53] <coppro> hmm... actually, I should add pbuilder and chroot updates to the cron script
[00:55] <coppro> there done
[00:55] <coppro> heh, I don't use update-manager even
[00:56] <ethana2> i have a 'check-update' and an 'update' command in my .bashrc
[00:56] <ethana2> I also have a remove function that moves files into the trash directory
[00:56] <ethana2> english words like 'unmount' 'get' 'list' 'enter' 'murder', etc..
[00:57] <ethana2> One should be able to support Ubuntu CLI with voice
[00:57] <prometheanfire> I saw that the nvidia driver in ibex doesnt work with newer nvidia cards (9800gt specificly)
[00:57] <ethana2> sudo apt-get ...  isn't english, and it confuses grandmothers and such
[00:57] <coppro> lol
[00:59] <ethana2> coppro: you laugh, but if your grandma goes from using nothing to using ubuntu, and you need to provide support, you need all the simplicity you can get
[00:59] <coppro> ethana2: you have your grandma using the console?
[00:59] <ethana2> she's not likely to use IM, so you can count on needing to be able to provide support over the phone.
[00:59] <ethana2> coppro: Sometimes you just can't remember every odd menu option, tab, and button
[00:59] <coppro> ethana2: true
[01:00] <coppro> although you're already one step ahead of me
[01:00] <coppro> having convinced your grandmother to use linux
[01:00] <ethana2> coppro: but I'll be sure to set up remote desktop and such before I declare the machine 'ready'
[01:00] <keanu> ethana2, did a reboot, and the network i added still stayed there
[01:00] <keanu> the other default ones are gone though
[01:01] <mib5> I have a vague ibex problem. everything stutters. from the intro audio when ibex loads, to any music or video i play back
[01:01] <mib5> both audio and video makes me think it's not a soundcard or a video driver problem
[01:01] <ethana2> mib5: how is CPU usage when it does?
[01:01] <mib5> 1 sec i'll check
[01:02] <keanu> it isn't a big deal, just thought I'd make it known
[01:02] <mib5> ethana2: very high, but not pegged, doesn't seem to go over 60%, also mem usage never leaves +10%
[01:03] <ethana2> dual core?
[01:03] <mib5> no.
[01:03] <ethana2> ...interesting....
[01:03] <mib5> oh thank you :) lol
[01:03] <ethana2> see, a dual core can choke without going over 60% ;)
[01:04] <mib5> i figured that was the idea :)
[01:04] <ethana2> so it peaks and stutters at the same time, right?
[01:04] <mib5> also, same issue with compiz disabled, if you were going to ask
[01:04] <ethana2> or jumps, rather i guess
[01:04] <mib5> yes, peaks and stutters at the same time, or jumps.. slowly
[01:05] <ethana2> perhaps not enough data is being written to the sound buffer by the audio system to provide seamless playback under normal usage
[01:05] <mib5> oh this is interesting, i found a way to make it just do it with the audio but have the video be ok
[01:05] <mib5> maybe it is an audio problem
[01:05] <dystopia> how to i use inittab to set up serial console client on ubuntu?
[01:05] <mib5> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)  <-- :)
[01:07] <mib5> Yes, an audio thing. I remember in hardy i had to adjust an alsa config file with a certain line, like options mode=auto or something similar
[01:07] <keithclark> I'm running 8.10 with an ATI Xpress 200 graphics card along with the proprietary drivers but I cannot get Compiz to work.  In Appearance, Visual Effects, Extra it just says that The Desktop Effects Could Not Be Enabled.  Any thoughts on what to adjust/change to enable them?  They worked fine under 8.04.1
[01:08] <mib5> keithclark: compiz --replace & <- in term and tell me output
[01:08] <dystopia> how to i use inittab to set up serial console client on ubuntu?
[01:09] <nonnii> Can someone tell me, is there still known issues with gdm-guest-session, because it's not working for me. It starts new session nicely at vt9 but nothing comes up. The screen just stays brownish orange (the ubuntu colour I guess). I see that no gnome-session or anything is started for guest user, only x-window-manager or something such, can not remember now. Could try it again though.
[01:09] <nonnii> I updated from 8.04.1 BTW
[01:10] <keithclark> mib5, http://www.pastebin.ca/1236072
[01:11] <moobag> heyy
[01:11] <moobag> if i install the 8.10 release candidate, will i have to do a full re-install to get the full version or will it update to the full release?
[01:11] <ethana2> it'll just update
[01:11] <esac> how can i modify the configuration of the guest account? for example having firefox automatically come up, or disable certain apps ?
[01:12] <moobag> like, update through the desktop or will i have to download it and install the update through cd ?
[01:12] <mib5> keithclark: your drivers aren't working properl, please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log , although i;m guessing you'll have to reinstall the drivers.
[01:13] <mib5> keithclark: also, may i ask why you're using the proprietary driver? my x200 works fine with the opensource one
[01:13] <nonnii> moobag: it'll update normally from the desktop
[01:13] <keithclark> Ubuntu chose to do that
[01:13] <moobag> awesome, thanks a lot :]
[01:13] <mib5> ... no it doesn't. you have to specifically ask for it, ubuntu never chooses to install a proprietary anything iirc
[01:15] <keithclark> mib5, upon upgrade to 8.10 I tried to enable the Extra Video Effects and it came back with a window saying to install the graphics driver via the Hardware Drivers in Administration
[01:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, torrents!
[01:17] <mib5> that's a little odd...
[01:17] <mib5> and he left, lol
[01:17] <pasnox> i can't compile nvidia 96.43.05 driver in intrepid, is there a workaround ?
[01:18] <mib5> keithclark: output of lspci | grep -i VGA please
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> pasnox: no, nvidia needs to update it to work with the new xorg
[01:18] <pasnox> JontheEchidna: damn i read many forum
[01:19] <pasnox> it's about 6 months we wait for it
[01:19] <pasnox> :'(
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm waiting too :'(
[01:19] <pasnox> too bad kde4 is really to slow now :( what i can do ?
[01:19] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know if we can just retorrent the rc torrent when the final release comes out?  or do we have to redownload the whole thing?
[01:19] <keithclark> mib5, keithclark@keithclark-desktop:~$ lspci | grep -i VGA
[01:19] <keithclark> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[01:20] <wgrant> pasnox: Complain to nvidia so they stop being so stupid.
[01:20] <mib5> OH. it's a 200G card. i'm an idiot.
[01:20] <mib5> keithclark: output of fglrxinfo ?
[01:20] <pasnox> wr
[01:20] <pasnox> JontheEchidna:
[01:21] <pasnox> wgrant: they don't care about complains, they just take drugs, smoke and fuck us !
[01:21] <keithclark> mib5, http://www.pastebin.ca/1236080
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> !ohmy
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> actually I think they're too busy fixing their sucky 2D acceleration with the new drivers, \o/
[01:22] <pasnox> JontheEchidna: what u do to have a "smooth" kde4 ?
[01:23] <mib5> keithclark: your fglrx install is totally borked. i mean bad. what does it show in jockey? (system->admin->Hardware Drivers)
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> pasnox: yeah performance is ok for me
[01:23] <pasnox> JontheEchidna: how ?
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> uh... it just is
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[01:23] <pasnox> damn
[01:23] <pasnox> :'(
[01:23] <pasnox> u have a good computer ?
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> not really
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.26-5-generic running KDE 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2), CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5006 bogomips), HD: 164/223GB, RAM: 604/620MB, 158 proc's, 22.18h up
[01:23] <pasnox> i'm running an old amd athlon xp 2800+
[01:24]  * Hobbsee grabs more images to torrent
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> with a GeForce 4 MX 440
[01:24] <keithclark> mib5, ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver installed and currently in use
[01:24] <mib5> oh god, all my chips are older than those lol
[01:24] <mib5> keithclark: green light?
[01:24] <keithclark> mib5, yup, green
[01:24] <pasnox> i havea geforce 4 ti 4200 ! and it's really slow on resize
[01:24] <mib5> keithclark: ok, sorry again for all the work, can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log
[01:25] <keithclark> mib5, no problem!  You are helping...
[01:26] <keithclark> mib5, http://www.pastebin.ca/1236084
[01:27] <pasnox> is there a way for choosing the monitor/lcd type in kde4 ? i can't see where to change that
[01:27] <moobag> are there many compatability issues between 64 and 32 bit versions?  I have a core2 with 2gb so id like to make the most of it and get the fastest ubuntu i can...
[01:27] <mib5> keithclark: ok, honestly this looks like a bug, i can probably fix it but it will probably happen to others. my suggestion is #compiz-fusion for a temp fix and possibly file a bug report if you get the same results after uninstalling / reinstalling the drivers through jockey
[01:27] <moobag> but i dont want any more troubles
[01:28] <keithclark> mib5, yes, results have already been duplicated through reinstalling.
[01:29] <moobag> so is it worth getting x64 or should i just stick with 32 for the safety?
[01:29] <mib5> i don't want to say this prematurely, but that's probably bad :/ is this an upgrade of ibex or new install?
[01:30] <mib5> keithclark: actually, here's a dumb question, you didn't use xgl on 8.04 did you?
[01:30] <RAOF> moobag: I (mostly) don't have problems with x86-64.
[01:30] <keithclark> mib5, Yes
[01:31] <keithclark> mib5, I had no issues with compiz in 8.04
[01:32] <moobag> haha what do you mean mostly? is it worth switching?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> wow, there aren't a lot of people torrenting the RC images
[01:34] <chadeldridge> Can anyone remind me how to fix compiz not restarting after a wake from suspend ?
[01:35] <moobag> aarrh im really stuck as to whether to install 64 or 32 :(
[01:36] <filth_> hmm. how would i go about changing the resolution of my bootsplash image? you know, the one at startup, where it loads ubuntu with the orange bar?
[01:36] <filth_> i want to make it smaller, it looks far too big
[01:37] <nonnii> moobag: install 64bit using separate / and /home and try it out. If it doesn't work out for you, install 32bit over your /
[01:39] <chadeldridge> filth_: not sure there is a way to change the resolution at that screen, i would like to as well.  my normal is 1900x1280 and that screen looks 640x480
[01:40] <filth_> chadeldridge: eh.
[01:42] <nonnii> filth_ and chadeldridge, how about /etc/usplash.conf
[01:43] <chadeldridge> mine says 1920x1280 ...
[01:44] <filth_> mine says 1280x800.
[01:44] <filth_> chadeldridge: how big is your monitor?
[01:44] <filth_> probably 21"
[01:45] <chadeldridge> laptop display on the xps m1710 laptop
[01:45] <chadeldridge> and i have a 24" monitor as well
[01:46] <chadeldridge> im having a complete brain fart on how to restart compiz after a resume from standby
[01:47] <nonnii> why can't that guest-session just work, bugs me out that I have to lend my machine to my friends who don't know anything that they are doing whilst browsing the tubes and stuff :|
[01:48] <nonnii> chadeldridge: have you tried compiz --replase or whatnot?
[01:50] <chuxxsss> hi all I'm trying to install MS office 2007 to make a flyer but it will not autorun or let me use the setup.exe file any help would be nice
[01:51] <ZehRique> chuxxsss: did you check if Wine runs it?
[01:51] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  you will probably have to use crossover or wine to get that to install .. office 2007 is spotty support at best
[01:51] <chadeldridge> crossover works
[01:52] <ZehRique> chadeldridge: hmm... good.
[01:52] <chadeldridge> im running the entire 2007 suite w/o access right now
[01:52] <chuxxsss> it did on the old box under 8.04 but I only got word and excel and publisher working
[01:53] <chadeldridge> in wine ?
[01:53] <chuxxsss> yes
[01:53] <chadeldridge> go get crossover .. its awesome
[01:53] <chuxxsss> can I use crossover for the games as well
[01:53] <chadeldridge> yes
[01:54] <chadeldridge> wow runs under it perfectly as does lots of others
[01:54] <moobag> huh why have i never heard of crossover :(
[01:54] <moobag> what is it?
[01:54] <chuxxsss> thank chadeldridge
[01:55] <chuxxsss> I have
[01:55] <chadeldridge> http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name
[01:55] <chadeldridge> its about the best thing that ever happened to wine
[01:55] <moobag> oh, its not free :|
[01:55] <moobag> that sucks
[01:56] <chadeldridge> worth the like 30$ ... but you can get the trial to make sure it works for you, its full featured
[01:56] <chuxxsss> support moobag not all is free people need to eat
[01:57] <chadeldridge> if you help with regression testing and applicatnion testing for them like I am you can become an advocate and get it free .. but you have to actually put in work for them
[01:57] <moobag> hmmm
[01:57] <chadeldridge> i gladly pay them for it though, its well worth it to see them continue
[01:57] <moobag> if i wanna use it for games etc though
[01:57] <moobag> its quite expensive
[01:58] <chadeldridge> how so ?  40$ forever
[01:58] <chuxxsss> I think so
[01:59] <chuxxsss> can you buy one that does games and office plus autocad
[01:59] <crimsun> ~ppa2 deb updated for people still experiencing bug 274995
[01:59] <nonnii> chadeldridge: what's the difference between cedega and crossover?
[01:59] <chadeldridge> yes its the pro edition
[01:59] <moobag> yeah why not cedega?
[02:00] <moobag> why not just use openoffice? what do you need?
[02:00] <chadeldridge> nonnii:  i used cedega for a while . its utter crap for gaming due to lack of real directx support
[02:00] <chuxxsss> let not get into which one is best moobag it like cars
[02:01] <moobag> oh yeah i know but for money/effort etc
[02:01] <chadeldridge> crossover seems much easier to me .. but thats just imo
[02:02] <moobag> you have to renew crossover after a year or you stop getting updates
[02:02] <chuxxsss> how do I use it if wine is install chadeldridge
[02:03] <nonnii> I tried wine once, notepad wouldn't start so I removed it. I really have no need :P
[02:03] <chuxxsss> it not showing up
[02:03] <thatguy> so i upgraded and for some reason my sound stopped working.  Oddly enough i used to have this problem and it was fixed when i upgraded to 8.04
[02:03] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss : there are some guides around google on installing office 2007 on wine .. its not easy though, so good luck on that one
[02:03] <xxploit> nonnii: well if you look at the cedega forums anytime...the users always come off disgruntled with the their support and also unless things have changed cedega used to be subscription based, like 5$ a month i think. Plus I dont think they contribute anything back upstream to wine where as crossover does.
[02:04] <chadeldridge> xxploit: exactly right
[02:04] <thismamacooks200> I can switch to guest session, but not login guest session or su guest session
[02:05] <chuxxsss> I get unable to find default bottle
[02:05] <chuxxsss> in crossover
[02:05] <chuxxsss> help
[02:06] <xxploit> chuxxsss: are u trying to run an app you didnt install in crossover?
[02:06] <xxploit> also chuxxsss #crossover
[02:06] <nonnii> thismamacooks200: lucky you, I can't even get the guest session to work at all
[02:06] <thismamacooks200> oh
[02:06] <chuxxsss> I trying to load MS office 2007 with crossover
[02:06] <chuxxsss> in 8.10
[02:07] <chuxxsss> xxploit, get my last
[02:07] <nkei0> heya everyone
[02:08] <nonnii> o/
[02:08] <nkei0> Anyone want to help me with a video playing in firefox problem?
[02:08] <chuxxsss> I havent got a autorun program when I place the disc in
[02:09] <chuxxsss> help
[02:09] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  you wont in linux
[02:09] <xxploit> chuxxsss: id imagine that is listed in the supported apps whereas you can just click to install it? I've never used it for MS Office since I use Open Office. But crossover should be able to install it without a prob, you should join #crossover for any questions you have
[02:09] <tsedreyt> Hey guys, I've been on beta for a while now, no problems...until today when I dled the RC updates and now I have no sound. Anyone else have this problem?
[02:09] <chuxxsss> xxploit, thanks and it's not under 8.10
[02:10] <webmaren> just ran the latest batch of upgrades and my monitor reverted to 800x600
[02:10] <chadeldridge> tsedreyt:  i think that is a known bug i saw posted earlier
[02:10] <tsedreyt> yeah? so I'm not alone/ didn't do anything bad?
[02:10] <xxploit> chuxxsss: when you install crossover it places menu entrys for you, goto Install Software then in the list it should have Ms Office etc
[02:11] <thatguy> tsedreyt: i have the same problem
[02:11] <tsedreyt> chadeldridge: that's at least a little bit comforting...
[02:11] <trigpin> to upgrade just sudo apt-get dist upgrade ?
[02:11] <U236Willy> i had hardware drivers keep telling me to get the proprietary nvidia 71.?? drivers.. so i did... and it borked kdm
[02:12] <tsedreyt> thatguy: haha kind of ironic, I deleted my windows partition today, and I switch back to linux...no sound
[02:12] <chadeldridge> trigpin :  sudo update-manager -d  i think
[02:12] <U236Willy> i ended up using a tty and logging in and reverting the xorg.conf which worked but it's still not perfect.
[02:12] <thatguy> tsedreyt: well this has happened to me before, i couldn't play sound before 7.10 and 8.04 kept constant
[02:12] <trigpin> chadeldridge,  ah thanks thats it
[02:12] <thatguy> my computer has always had sound issues as it is
[02:13] <tsedreyt> well I had sound on the beta until about 4 hours ago
[02:13] <tsedreyt> do you know what card you have?
[02:13] <thatguy> oh i just upgraded from 7.10
[02:13] <thatguy> no
[02:14] <thatguy> how do i check if i'm in beta or rc?
[02:14] <chuxxsss> no one is answering in crossover maybe they have crossover already
[02:14] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  do you need to download crossover ?
[02:15] <tsedreyt> I'm at that awkward stage in my linux career where I know how to do everything, but I never know what to do....
[02:15] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
[02:15] <tsedreyt> its like being a teenager...
[02:15] <thatguy> i'm at the novice stage where i need to learn how to use my terminal other than irssi and how to configure pidgin
[02:15] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge,  I have it is now installed autorun not install it is telling me but it said that in wine first under 8.10
[02:15] <chadeldridge> tsedryt:  break things and fix them
[02:15] <thatguy> so tsedreyt how to i check if i'm in rc or beta?
[02:16] <tsedreyt> pretty much if you've upgraded your system today
[02:16] <moobag> im really struggling to choose between 32 and 64 bit versions of 8.10
[02:16] <tsedreyt> you are in RC
[02:16] <moobag> helpp
[02:16] <IsTI37> Who is using ibex right now ? , it works or it is just like 8.04 , you need to set manually everything which should work ?
[02:16] <xxploit> chuxxsss: youll most likely need to install it using crossover, not the autorun program
[02:16] <webmaren> i <3 linux, one step fix for my graphics issue
[02:16] <chuxxsss> I am
[02:16] <chuxxsss> IsTI37, I am
[02:16] <U236Willy> it works mostly well
[02:16] <thatguy> tsedreyt: i started the upgrade yesterday though
[02:16] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  applications - crossover - install windows products - select office 2007 from the list - specify where the setup.exe file is on the cd - click go
[02:17] <thatguy> and i think it was an hour or two before rc was released
[02:17] <U236Willy> only a few issues
[02:17] <tsedreyt> upgrade again
[02:17] <IsTI37> chuxxsss I suppose that you don't have problems with the network
[02:17] <moobag> 64 or 32 bit?!?!?! aaarrrgh :(
[02:17] <tsedreyt> moobag: how much RAM?
[02:17] <chadeldridge> moobag:  every time i do 64 bit i regret it ..
[02:17] <moobag> 2gb
[02:17] <tsedreyt> 32
[02:17] <moobag> and a core2
[02:17] <chadeldridge> go 32
[02:17] <trigpin> anyone any ideas if over or under clocking possible ? there a simple way ?
[02:18] <thatguy> i also had a problem with torrentflux
[02:18] <chadeldridge> 32 for sure then
[02:18] <nkei0> so, i'm having trouble playing this video...  http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/pac_ctnt_988/text/0,2829,DIY_24936_66001,00.html?videoid=74949&nl=DIY-NL_v156_26
[02:18] <moobag> thank youuu :D il just trust you haha
[02:18] <moobag> how come?
[02:18] <tsedreyt> you have no need for 64
[02:18] <chadeldridge> ^^^ yep
[02:18] <nkei0> I right click on it and it gives me the option to play with "media player" and it doesn't work either
[02:18] <tsedreyt> the problem with 32 is that it can only handle 3.7 gb of ram
[02:18] <IsTI37> try to install windows media player firefox plugin
[02:19] <thatguy> mplayerplug-in?
[02:19] <chadeldridge> nkei0:  just install vlc
[02:19] <tsedreyt> vlc is basically the answer for anything movie related
[02:19] <xxploit> tsedreyt: yes it is!
[02:19] <chadeldridge> sadly .. it seems to be .. mplayer / totem are just meh
[02:20] <tsedreyt> I uninstall them pretty quickly
[02:20] <IsTI37> chadeldridge: I have vlc and I have the same problem as him, the answer is to install the vlc firefox plugin...
[02:20] <tsedreyt> anyone else loose sound with the RC?
[02:20] <chadeldridge> i just played it .. so i would assume so
[02:20] <nkei0> chadeldridge: I just did.
[02:21] <trigpin> nkei0, do not think it you im having problems watching to likly site , why you want to watch celling painting secrets would be like watching paint dry heh
[02:21] <nkei0> trigpin: I'm painting my ceilings right now...
[02:21] <chadeldridge> will you do mine too .. the white in here is like a sanitarium
[02:21] <tsedreyt> my ceilings are cement....
[02:21] <nkei0> Or rather, about to be, I just scraped all of the popcorn off, I'm filling in all the patches and priming
[02:22] <thatguy> i guess i'll go to launchpad
[02:22] <chuxxsss> You guys rock but the trail did work
[02:22] <trigpin> nkei0,  just applie paint to celling no secret to it
[02:22] <thatguy> tsedreyt: sounds like you live in a nuclear fallout shelter
[02:22] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss :  gj
[02:22] <nkei0> trigpin: The tiniest details show up on the ceilings...
[02:22] <tsedreyt> no, just a college dorm
[02:22] <nkei0> IsTI37: Where do I find the vlc plugin for firefox?
[02:22] <tsedreyt> www.google.com
[02:23] <chadeldridge> tsedreyt ... i solved those issues in college by drinking until i forgot there was a ceiling ..
[02:23] <tsedreyt> I will be getting there very shortly, don't even worry about it
[02:23] <thatguy> mplayerplug-in
[02:23] <tsedreyt> but usually I like to do that with music, so I must fix my sound first!
[02:23] <IsTI37> nkei0 just try synaptic , combine vlc with firefox = vlc firefox and you should find the mozilla-plugin-vlc plugin
[02:24] <musikgoat> tsedreyt: so is a audio driver running in lspci?  assuming its an onboard sound card
[02:25] <tsedreyt> musikgoat: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:25] <tsedreyt> and yes, it is onboard
[02:26] <thatguy> i have no output when i do lspci | grep audio
[02:26] <chadeldridge> probably wont
[02:26] <nkei0> alright, anyone want to help me tackle my problems of freezing almost as soon as i boot up unless i have acpi=off, noapic nolapic and edd=on in my menu.lst?
[02:26] <musikgoat> tsedreyt: maybe check this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=921289
[02:26] <thatguy> tsedreyt: in good news 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[02:26] <thatguy> that's my out put
[02:27] <tsedreyt> okay so we are screwed together, good to know.
[02:27] <musikgoat> thatguy: next time use grep -i for case insensitive
[02:27] <tsedreyt> thank you musikgoat
[02:27] <musikgoat> yw
[02:27] <chadeldridge> maybe its bad to say but i have the same controller and mine is working fine
[02:28] <tsedreyt> ...that killed my good spirits, thank you.
[02:28] <chadeldridge> lol
[02:28] <chadeldridge> sorry
[02:28] <platius> thatguy;  what does aplay -l  show?
[02:29] <tsedreyt> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[02:29] <tsedreyt> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[02:29] <tsedreyt>   Subdevices: 0/1
[02:29] <tsedreyt>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:29] <tsedreyt> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]
[02:29] <tsedreyt>   Subdevices: 1/1
[02:29] <tsedreyt>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:29] <thatguy> platius: http://pastebin.com/m41811111
[02:29] <tsedreyt> woah, lots of posts.
[02:29] <chadeldridge> lol
[02:29] <thatguy> that's why i went to pastebin
[02:29] <musikgoat> !pastepin | tsedreyt
[02:29] <chadeldridge> yeah mine is different at this stage so that may explain it
[02:29] <musikgoat> !paste
[02:30] <musikgoat> arg ubottu
[02:30] <ilovegnulinux> hi, unable to upgrade from hardy using 'update-manager -d'
[02:30] <chadeldridge> sudo update-manager -d
[02:30] <tsedreyt> nice screenname
[02:30] <ilovegnulinux> tried that. no new version shown :(
[02:31] <[ipc]michael> apt-get update then...
[02:31] <thatguy> do alt-f2 and then try it?
[02:31] <musikgoat> ilovegnulinux: no sudo
[02:31] <ilovegnulinux> did that too
[02:31] <musikgoat> ok
[02:31] <chadeldridge> what software sources do you have turned on ?
[02:32] <musikgoat> check processes, maybe one is sleeping or something
[02:32] <nkei0> Hrm, I installed VLC media player, but that video still doesn't player.
[02:32] <nkei0> play even
[02:32] <thatguy> anyway tsedreyt you think zombie mplayer is the problem?
[02:32] <ilovegnulinux> the hardy ones, long term support
[02:32] <chadeldridge> main . universe . restricted . multiverse ?
[02:32] <ilovegnulinux> yup
[02:32] <tsedreyt> I am a little biased, I think if its not called VLC, it isn't going to work.
[02:33] <chadeldridge> updates section ?
[02:33] <thatguy> mplayerplug-in ...
[02:33] <tsedreyt> I am probably the wrong person to ask...i like playing with conky...
[02:33] <nkei0> I'm attempting the mplayer one now.
[02:33] <ilovegnulinux> hardy important and recommended
[02:34] <ilovegnulinux> and in upgrade, long term support only
[02:34] <chadeldridge> change that to normal
[02:34] <chadeldridge> sudo apt-get update
[02:34] <chadeldridge> sudo update-manger -d
[02:34] <ilovegnulinux> k, ll try that
[02:35] <ilovegnulinux> thnx
[02:35] <chadeldridge> may want to try to change your repo location as well .. mine flaked out before and would not pull so i changed it and all was good
[02:36] <ilovegnulinux> possible, i use the server in my country
[02:36] <tsedreyt> ...which is?
[02:36] <chadeldridge> may want to do US just in case your local repo is not updated for some odd reason
[02:36] <tsedreyt> I way too talkative for support chats.
[02:37] <chadeldridge> lol
[02:37] <ilovegnulinux> k
[02:37] <tsedreyt> but seriously, id give ubuntu my life if they would just fix their sound and wireless issues
[02:37] <Hobbsee> what issues?  :P
[02:38] <tsedreyt> oh you know
[02:38] <chadeldridge> really wireless issue still ?  mine is finally working out of box with no wrapper
[02:38] <tsedreyt> the part where they don't work
[02:38] <Hobbsee> go with intel.  no more problem.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> mine have worked for ages.
[02:38] <chadeldridge> broadcom is the intel bastard stepchild though and they dont work well in ubuntu
[02:38] <tsedreyt> I won my laptop...and as nice as that was, I didn't get to configure it, but its not bad except for atheros card
[02:38] <chadeldridge> ohh god
[02:39] <chadeldridge> atheros are a pita to get working .. have you tried ndiswrapper and the windows driver ?
[02:39] <tsedreyt> I swear, I have like 9 drivers installed on my hd
[02:39] <chadeldridge> lol
[02:39] <tsedreyt> and yes, I have.
[02:39] <chadeldridge> i was like that with my original broadcom until i learned of fwcutter
[02:40] <chadeldridge> i guess ilovegnulinux got fixed .. lol
[02:40] <tsedreyt> supposedly the lwlwifi was supposed to be the gift of man to wireless
[02:40] <nonnii> can anyone here help me with gdm-guest-session, because it is not working for me. The new session starts to vt10 (my normal user is at vt9) but the screen stays brownish orange. No gnome-session is started for the guest session, only x-window-manager and d-bus
[02:40] <tsedreyt> that worked great...
[02:41] <chadeldridge> never heard of it actually
[02:41] <Hobbsee> chadeldridge: broadcom always was a pain.  they don't opensource their stuff.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> or at least, didn't.  not sure about now
[02:41] <chadeldridge> hobbsee .. yeah i found out the really hard way
[02:42] <Hobbsee> chadeldridge: stay away from marvell chipsets too, as a hint :P
[02:42] <chadeldridge> i broke down and just bought a new internal card for the laptop .. an intel
[02:42] <Hobbsee> haha, smart.
[02:42] <ad_> hey is the 64-bit beta pretty stable now?
[02:42] <chadeldridge> best 50$ ever
[02:42] <tsedreyt> yes
[02:42] <tsedreyt> it is
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i bought an atheros card for the other laptop.  worked a charm.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> only used it up to edgy, though, iirc.
[02:42] <chadeldridge> ad_ I am installing it on another machine right now, but i would assume its as stable as any 64 bit ubuntu relase
[02:42] <tsedreyt> what kind?
[02:43] <tsedreyt> I have this 802.11 a/b/g
[02:43] <ad_> i thought that, not much they can update in 4 days heh
[02:43] <tsedreyt> and some wrote somewhere that it would work if I disabled the A and the B, but that's a little beyond me...
[02:44] <tsedreyt> (bummer man....)
[02:44] <ad_> so nvidia card should run fine
[02:45] <tsedreyt> yes
[02:45] <tsedreyt> (brb
[02:47] <chuxxsss> hope this crossover works the trial didn't so I pay for it now
[02:47] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  the full just unlocks the trial
[02:47] <chadeldridge> so if trial didnt it wont
[02:47] <jamesish> Hey folks.  The ruby on rails channel is being distinctly quiet, and youse guys always seem to know the answers. Installed Ruby from source, irb works fine but script/console in rails frankly doesnt.
[02:47] <jamesish> usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/irb/completion.rb:10:in `require': no such file to load -- readline (LoadError)
[02:48] <chadeldridge> you need to read the directions i think mine is working fine as well as all the other advocates of 2007
[02:48] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge, the trial work not work so I just pay 60 dollars au for it
[02:48] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss there is no diff between trial and full .. its the same app
[02:49] <tsedreyt> (chadelridge: is aggro short for aggravated?)
[02:49] <nkei0> so i've tried the mplayer plugin and vlc and neither on of them work, and firefox still wants to open it with totem, but what file do i need to point firefox to to play it with another program?
[02:49] <tsedreyt> uninstall totem?
[02:49] <chadeldridge> tsedreyt:  yeah its her only mode
[02:49] <chuxxsss> what happen when I get red state bar for excel
[02:49] <chuxxsss> unknown
[02:49] <nkei0> tsedreyt: k, thx
[02:50] <tsedreyt> chad: bummer.
[02:50] <chadeldridge> its ok .. i ordered her food she will be distracted for an hour or so
[02:50] <chadeldridge> lol
[02:51] <tsedreyt> hmm, if I ever chose to get married, I will remember that tip
[02:51] <tsedreyt> but I don't have to worry about that for a while
[02:51] <chadeldridge> the credit card works to placate the savage beast as well ... but that gets costly
[02:52] <tsedreyt> anyway, back to linux!
[02:52] <tsedreyt> well, at least ubuntu is free? does that balance a little?
[02:52] <chadeldridge> lol when you get married you will realize the hilarity of that statement
[02:53] <chadeldridge> btw has anyone tried cairo-dock .. its pretty smexxy
[02:53] <tsedreyt> I was always an awn fan
[02:53] <tsedreyt> takes up less resources too
[02:53] <chadeldridge> i had graphic artifacts with awn ... so i gave up
[02:55] <chadeldridge> i still am yet to understand why dvd playback just doesnt work out of the box
[02:55] <tsedreyt> yeah, I wanted to either run gnome panel or a dock
[02:55] <tsedreyt> and I could never get enough out of a dock to get rid of the panel
[02:55] <tsedreyt> so I just configured my panel to what I wanted
[02:56] <chadeldridge> i always had my panel setup to look exactly like a dock so it wasnt a hard stretch
[02:56] <tsedreyt> I don't really do graphical launchers
[02:56] <tsedreyt> I use launchy, and I love it
[02:56] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge, Thanks it works fine
[02:57] <chadeldridge> very interesting .. looking at launchy now
[02:57] <tsedreyt> its really great
[02:57] <tsedreyt> I hotkeyed win+space
[02:57] <Hobbsee> chadeldridge: dvd playback:  because it's illegal in some countries.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> and, y'know, having ubuntu sued wouldn't be cool.
[02:57] <tsedreyt> it brings up this great little window...I type F for firefox, P for pigeon, it adapts to what you use the most
[02:57] <chadeldridge> hobbsee:  yeah i figured as much, sad and annoying
[02:58] <Hobbsee> besides, afaik, the descrambled ones *do* play out of the box
[02:58] <chadeldridge> tsedreyt .. that would be awesome for my fluxbox install
[02:58] <chadeldridge> hobbsee: yeah we bought the kid a dvd tonight and i tried to play it and of course it didnt work ... so an hour of fishing later i just gave up, i can play it in vlc but no sound
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[02:59] <chadeldridge> all interlaced and nasty lookin
[02:59] <tsedreyt> that must have been a bummer for him...
[02:59]  * Hobbsee points at https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html#dvdplayback
[03:00] <chadeldridge> yeah i have the restricted extras installed .. thats the first thing i did but it didnt fix everything
[03:00] <Hobbsee> but the location has changed, and it's now /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[03:00] <Hobbsee> no, it doesn't...
[03:00] <thatguy> tsedreyt: any luck yet?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> restricted extras does *not* contain libdvdcss2.
[03:00] <chadeldridge> correcy
[03:00] <chadeldridge> and its not a dpkg anymore .. contained in something else
[03:01] <Hobbsee> it's a .deb in medibuntu, which is where that script pulls it from
[03:01] <tsedreyt> thatguy: not yet...
[03:01] <chadeldridge> thats awesome .. its what i was looking for but counldnt find
[03:01] <chadeldridge> thanks
[03:01] <tsedreyt> my bootup time in Ibex is super long, anyone else that way?
[03:02] <chadeldridge> still no audio though
[03:02] <Hobbsee> is it muted?
[03:02] <nkei0> christ, i cannot ge!t this video to play
[03:02] <tsedreyt> I got an idea
[03:03] <nkei0> http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/pac_ctnt_988/text/0,2829,DIY_24936_66001,00.html?videoid=74949&nl=DIY-NL_v156_26
[03:03] <tsedreyt> do sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:03] <tsedreyt> there is one that says totem-plugin
[03:03] <tsedreyt> I have no idea what it does, but maybe it'll help you
[03:03] <nkei0> I uninstalle everything totem, and set everything to mplayer
[03:04] <nkei0> holy crap nevermind, it just played
[03:04] <tsedreyt> hm, then forget me
[03:04] <chadeldridge> nah not muted
[03:05] <nkei0> that's weird though, the video will play but i have no controls for it
[03:06] <AirBender> Hello
[03:06] <tsedreyt> hi
[03:06] <thiebaude> hi
[03:06] <AirBender> anyone knows how to remove a package when it's broken?
[03:07] <AirBender> well, it's more than broken I think
[03:07] <AirBender> the postinstalation process failed
[03:07] <thatguy> hi again
[03:07] <AirBender> and I can't remove it with synaptic/apt-get/dpkg in the normal way
[03:07] <thatguy> sound still a-failin
[03:08] <thiebaude> airbender:what about the purge command in the terminal?
[03:08] <AirBender> tried...
[03:08] <tsedreyt> sadly.
[03:09] <AirBender> Errors were encountered while processing: flex-old
[03:09] <AirBender> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:09] <AirBender> I've reported the bug, but want to gain time...
[03:09] <thiebaude> airbender:is the package in synaptic listed as installed?
[03:09] <tsedreyt> ...sometimes I don't get ubuntu
[03:09] <tsedreyt> david@david-laptop:/usr/bin$ Sound: Go!
[03:09] <tsedreyt> bash: Sound:: command not found
[03:09] <AirBender> nope, it listed as broken
[03:10] <thatguy> the googles haven't helped
[03:10] <thatguy> though i remember someone saying this as a bug earlier
[03:10] <AirBender> sorry, it's listed as installed
[03:11] <AirBender> mmm in fact I haven't googled it, because it showed up as a bug since the instalation
[03:12] <AirBender> when I installed the package, the postinst process crashed
[03:12] <tsedreyt> you know what's sad? now I do not own a windows computer and saved 150 dollars (buying vista) of parents money by putting gOS on their computer (and despite the fact I am a tight college budget) I find it perfectably acceptable to buy an ubuntu shirt.
[03:12] <xxploit> someone1 offhand know what the command/setting is that increases the fonts to look better, I used it a while back but cant remember what is was. This is some settings outside the font properties gui app. And it makes fonts look so great.
[03:13] <tsedreyt> appearance > fonts > sub pixel smoothing
[03:13] <chadeldridge> xxploit:  cleartype ?
[03:13] <xxploit> nah
[03:13] <AaronMT> Anyone experience a problem where sometimes there is no usplash on boot? Other times there is..
[03:13] <xxploit> it was some terminal command I used or some setting I piped into a file.
[03:14] <thiebaude> Airbender:hopefully that bug will be fixed soon
[03:14]  * Hobbsee updates ubuntu-restricted-extras and friends, to more clearly point out that libdvdcss2 is *not* included.
[03:15] <AirBender> Hope so...
[03:15] <chadeldridge> lol salt in the wound
[03:16] <chadeldridge> hobbsee:  well i fixed sound, but none of the controls work (go to title menu or dvd menu) ... but at least it plays, looks like arse though interlaced lines if you stretch it to full scresn
[03:16] <chadeldridge> ill figure it out later though
[03:16] <Hobbsee> strange.
[03:17] <chadeldridge>  /agreed
[03:17] <slestak_> anyone using nm for pptp vpn succesfully?
[03:18] <chadeldridge> network-manager?  yes
[03:18] <tsedreyt> okay lets make a deal, someone write my paper, and ill fix their ubuntu issue
[03:19] <AirBender> lol
[03:19] <slestak_> i was struggling with "no valid secrets" error, but someone at launchpad answers helped me past that.  now i am past that, and the same setup I used in gutsy fails
[03:19] <tsedreyt> or ever, one issue =one page.
[03:21] <chadeldridge> hobsee:  do you know if it was a feature in 8.10 to make my wireless on/off indicator light flash with activity or its just a cool circumstance that it does it now ?
[03:22] <slestak_> nm just says VPN connection failed.  var/log/messages gives nothing relevant
[03:22] <Hobbsee> chadeldridge: it's intended, and tab completion is good
[03:22] <Hobbsee> chadeldridge: it was a regression in hardy for a whole lot of wifi cards.
[03:22] <slestak_> chadeldridge: mine flashes steady now when its associated with wap.  used to be steady before II
[03:22] <chadeldridge> Hobbsee: interesting ...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> slestak_: yeah, that's what I thought, too...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> slestak_: now the kernel people have decided it should flash with activitity, it seems.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> s/it//
[03:23] <chadeldridge> and sorry tab completion is good .. but broken left fingers right now .. hard to hit it :-D
[03:23] <chuxxsss> this crossover has problem with publisher
[03:23] <Hobbsee> oh dear :P
[03:23] <slestak_> a littel distracting :)
[03:24] <tsedreyt> has anyone had success with a Gparted liveUSB?
[03:24] <EyesOfARaven> i installed ubuntu 8.1 to a flash drive using unetboot and it booted to busybox
[03:24] <EyesOfARaven> the desktop edition
[03:24] <tsedreyt> I've gotten ubuntu to work of a usb, just not gparted
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> i wasnt answering your question
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> i was asking for help
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> lol
[03:25] <chadeldridge> what is the question ?
[03:25] <tsedreyt> oh, my bad.
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> i am trying to install ubuntu 8.1 on my eee
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> via usb
[03:25] <slestak_> rebooting, got a new kernel installed.  brb
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> and it booted to a busybox
[03:25] <EyesOfARaven> with some errors
[03:26] <tsedreyt> have you tired ubootin?
[03:26] <EyesOfARaven> that's what i used?
[03:27] <bigfox> Is there a way to make programs running under Wine print?
[03:27] <EyesOfARaven> print as in to paper?
[03:27] <bigfox> Yes
[03:27] <EyesOfARaven> it should wrap to your linux drivers
[03:27] <EyesOfARaven> assuming the printer works under linux
[03:27] <chadeldridge> bigfox yes it should by default
[03:27] <EyesOfARaven> ubuntu 8.1 desktop edition should have a desktop environment
[03:27] <EyesOfARaven> right..?
[03:28] <EyesOfARaven> o.O
[03:28] <bigfox> Hmm.  the print dialog won't come up in Wine programs.  Works fine in linux programs.
[03:28] <tsedreyt> not it's the feature
[03:28] <tsedreyt> (yes, it should)
[03:28] <tsedreyt> any change you had a faulty install to the usb? did you run the check after you booted it?
[03:29] <bigfox> I tried in Wine notepad and it tells me I must install a printer and retry.
[03:29] <EyesOfARaven> grub didn't even come from the ubuntu install to the usb
[03:29] <EyesOfARaven> it booted to my grub on the SSD
[03:29] <EyesOfARaven> and i modified the boot lines
[03:29] <EyesOfARaven> to boot to the usb
[03:29] <EyesOfARaven> ;o
[03:30] <saxonjf> I'm giving this one more try before just reinstalling the whole shebang.  I have lost all ability to get any kind of sound.  I have no drivers recognized, and volume control won't even give me sliders.  It's just an error message.  Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[03:31] <EyesOfARaven> do you have pulse-audio installed?
[03:31] <crimsun> saxonjf: fresh install or distribution upgrade?  also, download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it.
[03:32] <U236Willy> anyone able to point me in the right direction for getting my nvidia geforce2 (old) card working right in kde4?
[03:32] <chadeldridge> bigfox:  this may help:  http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure#AEN429
[03:32] <saxonjf> fresh install. The issue came when I upgraded
[03:32] <admin_masu3701> hello there... i have a sound problem..can anybody help me out
[03:32] <U236Willy> and ibex of course
[03:33] <chadeldridge> saxonjf i am pretty sure thats a known bug right now and its going to fix nothing to fresh install
[03:33] <chadeldridge> lots of people are having sound issues in ibex it seems
[03:34] <tsedreyt> (me included)
[03:34] <tsedreyt> at masu: did it just start when the RC came out?
[03:34] <crimsun> admin_masu3701: / tsedreyt: please describe your sound problem.
[03:35] <admin_masu3701> no sound when i want to play youtube
[03:35] <chadeldridge> admin_masu3701:  do you have any sound anywhere ?
[03:36] <EyesOfARaven> shot in the dark: try running ur app from a terminal that wont make sound with "padsp <your app>"
[03:36] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: open a terminal and type "killall pulseaudio" (no quotes) and then try YouTube again.
[03:37] <EyesOfARaven> because pulse-audio tends to phail :p
[03:37] <tsedreyt> okay question
[03:37] <bigfox> Maybe its because I am using the development version of wine from the winehq repo.
[03:37] <crimsun> well, before we blame pulseaudio, we need to know which arch s/he's using and whether s/he has flashplugin-nonfree and libasound2-plugins installed
[03:37] <tsedreyt> I goto sound prefecnes
[03:37] <bigfox> I will change to the one in the ubuntu repo.
[03:38] <mneptok> crimsun: gnash won;t even display YT videos, never mind deal with audio tracks for them
[03:38] <tsedreyt> and its on autodetect, I press the test button, and it says "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused"
[03:39] <saxonjf> tse, I have the same problem, but no sound at all
[03:39] <crimsun> mneptok: you may have more knowledge about admin_masu3701's issue; does s/he have gnash, adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[03:39] <tsedreyt> I've got no sound at all either
[03:39] <tsedreyt> saxon when did that start for you
[03:39] <saxonjf> right after I upgraded
[03:39] <tsedreyt> today?
[03:39] <mneptok> crimsun: i am assuming since the problem was described as non-functional audio that the video is viewable. that requires flashplugin-nonfree.
[03:39] <saxonjf> upgrade ---> no sound
[03:39] <crimsun> tsedreyt: ah, I bet you're hitting the pulseaudio/canberra-gtk-play race
[03:39] <saxonjf> this morning when I rebooted
[03:39] <slestak_> chadeldridge: do you get warn[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:956]: Non-zero Async Control Character Maps are not supported! in daemon.log?
[03:40] <tsedreyt> saxon me too
[03:40] <crimsun> tsedreyt: try using pulseaudio -k;pulseaudio -D
[03:40] <tsedreyt> crimsum: ....what?
[03:40] <chadeldridge> slestak_: huh ?
[03:40] <saxonjf> would I need to put in sudo before that?
[03:40] <AaronMT> Anyone experience a problem where sometimes there is no usplash on boot? Other times there is..
[03:40] <slestak_> trying to debug my pptp failing to connect.  you said yours was working
[03:40] <crimsun> tsedreyt: there's a known race condition during GNOME session login during which the pulseaudio daemon /appears/, for all intents and purposes, to start correctly but in fact does not.  This results in the symptom you described.
[03:41] <tsedreyt> pastebin | david@david-laptop:/usr/bin$ pulseaudio -k;pulseaudio -D
[03:41] <tsedreyt> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[03:41] <tsedreyt> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[03:41] <tsedreyt> E: main.c: daemon startup failed.
[03:41] <chadeldridge> slestak_: ahh sorry let me look
[03:41] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: i did but didnt return nothin
[03:41] <thatguy> back to getting angry due to lack of sound
[03:41] <tsedreyt> thatguy: we have a lead!
[03:41] <tsedreyt> crimsum: any fix?
[03:41] <thatguy> okay
[03:41] <thatguy> i took the crimsun command
[03:41] <crimsun> tsedreyt: yes, a couple.  One is disabling sound events.
[03:42] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge, crossover keep crashing publisher
[03:42] <tsedreyt> you mean the log in sounds?
[03:42] <saxonjf> When I tried that, it failed to kill daemon
[03:42] <crimsun> tsedreyt: all sound events, but sure, includes that
[03:42] <thatguy> i get everything tsedreyt gets except for the E: main.c
[03:42] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: it won;t
[03:42] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: try YouTube now
[03:42] <saxonjf> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[03:42] <saxonjf> E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon.
[03:42] <saxonjf> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[03:42] <slestak_> hers a pastebin of the relevant part of /var/log/daemon.log
[03:42] <slestak_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62313/
[03:43] <chadeldridge> slestak_: i do not seem to have those errors sorry
[03:43] <slestak_> ty for looking
[03:44] <crimsun> saxonjf: ok, and does `paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' work audibly?
[03:44] <slestak_> are you running 2.6.27-7?
[03:44] <thatguy> yes
[03:44] <tsedreyt> oh god, my inner newb is showing,....how do I do that?
[03:44] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: it aint working
[03:45] <crimsun> tsedreyt: another method is to further alter the order in which pulseaudio is started during GNOME session login
[03:45] <crimsun> tsedreyt: do what?
[03:45] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: then PulseAudio is probably not the issue. how did you install Flash?
[03:46] <tsedreyt> okay how would I alter the order?
[03:46] <wgrant> Oh no, it's mneptok.
[03:46] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge,  what a waste of money crossover is
[03:46] <crimsun> tsedreyt: well, the easiest method is simply to rename the file
[03:47] <tsedreyt> crimsum: I'd hate to have you walk me through all this, seeing as I am completely lost, is there a guide you could point me to?
[03:47] <admin_masu3701> mnptok: oh yet...i was having flash problem for a while...i didnt know how to install it...but after it didnt ask me to download flash
[03:48] <chadeldridge> chuxxsss:  i told you about 20 times that there was no diff between trial version and full, plus there is about 10000 pages of documentation on that site you ignored.  There was no point in buying it if trial did not work
[03:48] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: in a terminal, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" (no quotes)
[03:48] <crimsun> tsedreyt: sorry, no guide, but it's fairly straightforward:  sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio /etc/X11/Xsession.d/59pulseaudio
[03:48] <crimsun> tsedreyt: please log out of GNOME and back in to test.
[03:49] <thatguy> back
[03:49] <thatguy> where is the status of the sound problem
[03:49] <tsedreyt> crimsum: is that it>
[03:50] <thatguy> crimsun: i guess i shoudl follow what youa re saying to
[03:50] <crimsun> tsedreyt: sorry, what do you mean by "is that it"?
[03:50] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: what is that command?
[03:50] <tsedreyt> crim: ill be back, ill tell you how it goes.
[03:50] <thatguy> me too crimsun
[03:51] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: it will install some software that has restrtive licenses (so Ubuntu can't inculde them by default) but that most people will want. like the Flash plugin. ;)
[03:51] <dick-richardson> How do I keep ubuntu from automounting removable media? It's borking up what I need to do w/the device in gparted
[03:52] <chrono13> I just upgraded my family's computer to 8.10 which fixed some lingering issues in 8.04. On the first account that I logged into, I clicked OK (instead of Upgrade) to the logout menu. I want to change this, and upgrade the logoff menu to the new style and have all of the accounts be the same. How do I bring up that upgrade option again?
[03:52] <dick-richardson> system --> preferences --> removable drives and media isn't there anymore
[03:52] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: thats cool... i will take note of that
[03:53] <konam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288863
[03:54] <tsedreyt> crimsum
[03:54] <tsedreyt> marry me?
[03:55] <crimsun> no?
[03:55] <tsedreyt> well, okay, but it worked. thank you.
[03:55] <chadeldridge> gj on that one
[03:55] <tsedreyt> saxonjf, you still here?
[03:55] <crimsun> tsedreyt: can you confirm with several addition logout-login cycles?  possibly toss in a cold boot, too?
[03:56] <chuxxsss> chadeldridge,  said trial finish before it started and I needed to make a flyer for council elections mate
[03:56] <crimsun> tsedreyt: additional*
[03:56] <tsedreyt> I did one logout login and one cold boot
[03:56] <crimsun> tsedreyt: the more, the merrier
[03:56] <tsedreyt> okay
[03:56] <tsedreyt> ill be back ot let you know how it goes
[03:56] <crimsun> note: it doesn't fix the issue, just makes it more difficult to trigger the race
[03:57] <crimsun> we really need pulseaudio to provide more precise information regarding sink and source connection status
[03:57] <dick-richardson> any suggestions on preventing ubuntu from automounting my thumbdrive?
[03:58] <freeksh0w86> Why am I getting a busybox prompt trying to boot up the new Kubuntu 8.10 RC i386 on a machine with 1 GB of RAM and normal hardware that works with 8.04?
[03:58] <crimsun> freeksh0w86: perhaps you need to regenerate the initramfs?
[03:58] <thatguy> lback
[03:58] <freeksh0w86> what does that mean then?
[03:59] <mneptok> freeksh0w86: take a look in your BIOS settings, too. if you can toggle different IDE modes, try different modes and see if they work.
[04:00] <crimsun> konam: that's a duplicate of bug 274995.  Please test my ~ppa2 deb (see the comments toward the end of the bug report page).
[04:00] <slestak_> does NM pptp plugin source /etc/ppp/options.pptp?  It seems to contradict the setting from the NM gui...
[04:00] <thatguy> crimsun: still no sound
[04:00] <thatguy> could this have anything to do with torrentflux problems
[04:01] <crimsun> thatguy: did you rename the file from 70 to 59?
[04:01] <thatguy> ?
[04:01] <thatguy> i guess i missed that part
[04:01] <crimsun> thatguy: err, yeah...
[04:01] <crimsun> thatguy: 22:48 < crimsun> tsedreyt: sorry, no guide, but it's fairly straightforward:  sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio /etc/X11/Xsession.d/59pulseaudio
[04:01] <thatguy> sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio /etc/X11/Xsession.d/59pulseaudio <--i did that before i restarted
[04:01] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: thank you ...it works now
[04:02] <crimsun> thatguy: ok, and are you still getting an invalid stream error?
[04:02] <mneptok> admin_masu3701: smashing!
[04:02] <thatguy> this?" W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[04:02] <thatguy> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[04:02] <admin_masu3701> mneptok: haha
[04:03] <thatguy> what that
[04:03] <crimsun> thatguy: no, not that.  I mean, when you attempt something like `paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'
[04:03] <slestak_> thatguy: googling for that error nets lots of hits.  arch linux, ubuntu, looks kinda common
[04:04] <thatguy> what does paplay do?
[04:04] <crimsun> thatguy: plays a wav file through pulseaudio
[04:04] <thatguy> failed to open file
[04:05] <freeksh0w86> oh well i hope they fix the issue in the final CD. I've never had to mess with bios settings to avoid "busybox" and i'm not going to either.
[04:05] <thatguy> oh wait i was using a .ogg file
[04:05] <crimsun> thatguy: can you pastebin the entire command that you typed/pasted and its output?
[04:05] <crimsun> thatguy: ah
[04:06] <thatguy> okay i put in a wav file
[04:06] <thatguy> nothing
[04:06] <tsedreyt> still working!
[04:06] <thatguy> the next line is the xxxx@dell
[04:06] <crimsun> thatguy: what do you mean by "nothing"?
[04:06] <thatguy> me@dell:~$ paplay '/home/me/Music/ITCrowedEmergency#.wav'
[04:06] <thatguy> me@dell:~$
[04:06] <thatguy> inbetween that there is no sound output
[04:06] <crimsun> thatguy: do you get an actual error message resembling "invalid stream", or does it simply... ah, so it was inaudible?
[04:06] <admin_masu3701> when is ubuntu 8.10 coming out?
[04:07] <saxonjf> Failed to open file
[04:07] <thatguy> admin_masu3701: 6 days
[04:07] <admin_masu3701> thatguy: how will we get it? I have 8.10 beta
[04:08] <crimsun> thatguy: ok, can you download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it?
[04:08] <thatguy> it'll probably say something like "partial upgrade available" on the day of the release and it will fix a few bugs
[04:08] <thatguy> also it is at rc now
[04:08] <saxonjf> All right, crimsun, do you think I'm a lost cause, or would a fresh reinstall help
[04:08] <tsedreyt> saxonjf
[04:08] <tsedreyt> did you try what he told me?
[04:08] <crimsun> saxonjf: when you run the alsa-info.sh script, does it return a long url?
[04:08] <crimsun> tsedreyt: saxonjf's issue is different
[04:08] <tsedreyt> okay
[04:08] <thatguy> crimsun: download it? i get the code
[04:09] <saxonjf> It doesn't run any url into a website at all...
[04:09] <thatguy> or is this some wget thing i'm not aware of
[04:09] <crimsun> thatguy: yes, save it as a text file, then invoke it using bash
[04:09] <crimsun> saxonjf: what does the script do instead?
[04:10] <konam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288863
[04:10] <konam> someone has any idea?
[04:10] <crimsun> konam: yes, I already responded to you.
[04:10] <crimsun> konam: I.e., please try the ~ppa2 deb in my PPA.
[04:10] <thatguy> crimsun: it opens it in wine
[04:10] <crimsun> thatguy: ...in wine???
[04:10] <thatguy> yea
[04:11] <konam> crimsun sorry, left the laptop for a few minutes and pick it up now and your comment wasn't reachable
[04:11] <filth_> hm?
[04:11] <crimsun> thatguy: um, did you save the file and then execute it using bash?
[04:11] <thatguy> i type the '/home/xxx/desktop/alsa test' and then it opens it in bash
[04:11] <thatguy> i mean in bash and it opens it in wine
[04:12] <crimsun> thatguy: err, you're supposed to save the file to your Desktop (or wherever), then execute `bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh' in a Terminal
[04:13] <saxonjf> crimsun what's the command I would need to run with the script?  I know nothing about command lines
[04:13] <crimsun> saxonjf: see what I just typed above to thatguy
[04:14] <thatguy> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=abe72f098821c00fcca8bac36f4ae6886723f0fd
[04:14] <thatguy> crimsun: ^^
[04:14] <crimsun> thatguy: thanks, please wait a sec
[04:14] <saxonjf> crimsun, no such file or directory
[04:15] <konam> crimsun daniel t chen?
[04:15] <crimsun> thatguy: please remove the model=3stack quirk
[04:15] <crimsun> konam: yes
[04:15] <thatguy> how?
[04:15] <crimsun> thatguy: did you place the quirk into a file?
[04:16] <thatguy> possibly
[04:16] <crimsun> thatguy: I.e., `grep -nH 3stack /etc/modprobe.d/*'
[04:16] <filth_> eh, i need a new wallpaper.
[04:16] <thatguy> /etc/modprobe.d/lanai-sound:1:options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[04:16] <crimsun> thatguy: right, remove that quirk.
[04:16] <thatguy> i think i did put it in to fix a previous problem
[04:16] <thatguy> how do i remove it?
[04:17] <crimsun> thatguy: either comment it out (place a '#' at the beginning of the line), or remove the file
[04:17] <saxonjf> crimson, when I tried to run it, it asked me if I wanted to run it from the terminal, run it straight or just open the text rile
[04:17] <crimsun> saxonjf: you need to open a Terminal, then execute the script
[04:18] <thatguy> crimsun: i mean what command do i type into bash in order to obtain the ability to comment it out?
[04:18] <crimsun> saxonjf: why are you using 2.6.25-2-386
[04:19] <td123> crimsun: he probably isn't
[04:19] <crimsun> thatguy: well, you can edit the file in an editor (use gksu 'gedit /etc/modprobe.d/lanai-sound')
[04:20] <crimsun> td123: how do you figure?  that information is culled directly from uname -r.
[04:20] <konam> brb
[04:20] <thatguy> done
[04:20] <thatguy> crimsun: next?
[04:21] <crimsun> please confirm that the line is commented by running the same grep command from prior
[04:21] <thatguy> /etc/modprobe.d/lanai-sound:1:#options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[04:21] <thatguy> /etc/modprobe.d/lanai-sound~:1:options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[04:21] <crimsun> thatguy: ok, now sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/lanai-sound~
[04:22] <thatguy> done
[04:22] <crimsun> thatguy: (you need to erase the backup file)
[04:22] <crimsun> thatguy: now, please reboot
[04:22] <thatguy> k
[04:23] <nekostar> wow
[04:23] <nekostar> i gotta say
[04:23] <nekostar> yall are knocking this one outta the park so far
[04:23] <nekostar> tho stability's not great
[04:23] <nekostar> anyone else's fast-user-switcher-applet not showing?
[04:24] <saxonjf> crimsun, upgrading generic kernel now
[04:25] <crimsun> saxonjf: ok
[04:27] <saxonjf> looks as though it'll take a little while.  30min or so.  I don't have the world's greatest frontside bus and only have 1.5Gb of RAM
[04:27] <konam> crimsun it didn't work
[04:28] <crimsun> konam: ok, can you ifdown the wifi interface(s) before rebooting/shutting down to test if that resolves the hang?
[04:29] <konam> crimsun how do i do that?
[04:29] <konam> ifdown wlan0?
[04:31] <crimsun> konam: if wlan0 is the interface, yes
[04:32] <konam> crimsun I'm supposed to be disconnected by now? if i was then that comment didn't work.
[04:35] <nekostar> wow you gotta love regular expressions.. so amazingly powerful
[04:35]  * nekostar stabs crimsun hello
[04:35]  * nekostar stabs crdlb hi too
[04:35] <nekostar> ;D
[04:37] <crimsun> konam: you're supposed to issue the ifdown after logging out of GNOME and into a tty
[04:38] <saxonjf> crimsun restarting
[04:38] <konam> crimsun killing gnome or just loging out of my session?
[04:39] <DanaG> Argh, where do I find man pages for things like glLight3fv?
[04:41] <chowmeined> ok who broke atheros
[04:41] <chowmeined> seriously, stop messing with stuff
[04:41] <chowmeined> that last kernel update where you conveniently disabled the atheros driver
[04:41] <chowmeined> yeah, that was dumb
[04:42] <crimsun> konam: either
[04:42] <crimsun> chowmeined: the bug report # is in the linux changelog.
[04:42] <crimsun> DanaG: die.net?
[04:43] <saxonjf> crimsun, you there?
[04:43] <crimsun> saxonjf: yes
[04:43] <chowmeined> crimsun, and what about all the people using it?
[04:44] <saxonjf> crimsun, I have audio in mp3 form
[04:44] <saxonjf> I am trying flash and youtube
[04:44] <crimsun> chowmeined: the best forum for your comments would be in said bug report
[04:45] <chowmeined> interesting
[04:45] <crimsun> chowmeined: namely, the Canonical-employed kernel team does not frequent this channel
[04:45] <chowmeined> oh, them
[04:45] <saxonjf> crimsun, it's looking good.  Sounds good and I am up and running
[04:45] <chowmeined> speaking of the kernel
[04:46] <crimsun> saxonjf: great
[04:46] <chowmeined> why is libata so broken when driving PATA controllers (specifically intel ones).. didnt anybody notice the whole 4MB/s throughput?
[04:46] <saxonjf> cimsun, is there some place I can write a testimonial for you or something.  I feel indebted.
[04:46] <chowmeined> not only is it broken now, but its been broken since edgy eft
[04:46] <crimsun> chowmeined: seriously, these are questions best posed to either the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list or the #ubuntu-kernel channel
[04:46] <chowmeined> crimsun, they dont listen
[04:46] <chowmeined> obviously
[04:47] <chowmeined> i just would like somebody to bash their face in for being retarded
[04:47] <saxonjf> Do you have an ubuntu wiki page where I can praise you or something?
[04:47] <crimsun> saxonjf: no need, just enjoy your 8.10 configuration
[04:47] <chowmeined> crimsun, to be fair, ive already been through the bug reports
[04:47] <saxonjf> crimsun, you went way above and beyond the call of duty, and I wish I could express some appreciation
[04:47] <chowmeined> crimsun, people report.. and the only responses are meta-messages from the bug tracking system
[04:48] <crimsun> chowmeined: have you considered purchasing a support contract?
[04:48] <chowmeined> crimsun, why would i do that?
[04:49] <chowmeined> im not spending money on something that cant even get ATA support right (though to be fair thats not ubuntu's fault but the buggy libata implementation in the linux kernel)
[04:49] <chowmeined> as usual, ill probably have to fix it myself
[04:49] <DanaG> crimsun: I meant package.
[04:50] <crimsun> chowmeined: I empathize with the frustration, but venting here is unlikely to accomplish anything for 8.10.
[04:50] <chowmeined> crimsun, im aware of this
[04:50] <sebsebseb> is KDE3  available for  Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex from the rep, it does not seem to be available
[04:50] <chowmeined> its too late to really do anything anyways
[04:50] <crimsun> DanaG: perhaps ping in #ubuntu-x sometime after 8.10's release?
[04:50] <saxonjf> thanks again
[04:50] <sebsebseb> repo
[04:50] <crimsun> saxonjf: yw
[04:51] <chowmeined> its not like they are going to fix a bug thats been around since edgy in the next hmm 6 days
[04:51] <crimsun> chowmeined: precisely
[04:51] <chowmeined> crimsun, exactly
[04:52] <DanaG> OpenGL man pages don't seem to be anywhere easily findable.
[04:52] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm experiencing an issue with the NVIDIA X server.  On startup, it gives me a smaller resolution (not sure if it's 800x600 or 1024x768), but I have to manually change it to 1280x1024.  When I try to save the configuration, the NVIDIA X server settings program crashes.  It keeps the resolution for the session, but when I reboot I have to do it all over again
[04:52] <jdsbluedevl> is this a known issue?
[04:53] <crimsun> DanaG: even opengl.org?
[04:54] <DanaG> Oh, I didn't look there; I meant to use the package manager.
[04:57] <darthanubis> very active channel now:)
[04:57] <darthanubis> my pc likes 8.10
[05:02] <td123> darthanubis: give it 2 weeks and it will be silent as a mouse
[05:02] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm experiencing an issue with the NVIDIA X server.  On startup, it gives me a smaller resolution (not sure if it's 800x600 or 1024x768), but I have to manually change it to 1280x1024.  When I try to save the configuration, the NVIDIA X server settings program crashes.  It keeps the resolution for the session, but when I reboot I have to do it all over again.  Is this a known issue?
[05:02] <td123> jdsbluedevl: search launchpad.
[05:03] <td123> if you can't find it, report it
[05:06] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, found it, bug #286424
[05:13] <cohete> Default screen resolution on Ibex is too high, proper resolution not listed in resolution control panel. How do I change it?
[05:13] <noaxi> hello anyone else having strange behaviour, as in system freezes unless keypressed ?
[05:13] <darthanubis> no
[05:14] <noaxi> while booting the laptop it freezes at a certain moment..
[05:14] <crdlb> cohete: video card? monitor type?
[05:14] <darthanubis> cohete, I can't seem to change it. I just make sure the xog is correct
[05:14] <darthanubis> xorg.conf
[05:14] <noaxi> from that moement on unless a key is pressed or the mouse is moved/mousebutton pressed the system freezes whatever is is doing
[05:14] <darthanubis> This screen resoltion thing has never worked
[05:15] <darthanubis> sorry
[05:15] <darthanubis> not resolution
[05:15] <darthanubis> reffresh speed
[05:15] <cohete> monitor is the lcd on my laptop. I want 1280x800, i currently have 1920x1200. video card is nvidia, wanna say 6 series, using nvidia-glx drivers
[05:15] <EyesOfARaven> i installed the eee ubuntu support pack from http://code.google.com/p/eee-ubuntu-support/ and it borked my video drivers (i probably shuddnt hav done it as i had direct rendering and proper res already)
[05:15] <EyesOfARaven> ..
[05:15] <darthanubis> ouch
[05:16] <crdlb> cohete: so the screen pans to fit the that resolution now?
[05:16] <cohete> no, it fits without panning
[05:16] <cohete> which is really weird, since i'm pretty sure 1280x800 is the native res
[05:18] <nekostar> cohete install nvidia-settings and doublecheck your scaling
[05:18] <EyesOfARaven> can someone help me get rid of this driver
[05:18] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:18] <nekostar> hm. would someone mind telling me where editing the programs that are running in my session function is?
[05:18] <cohete> it was doing the 1920x1200 thing before i installed nvidia-glx
[05:18] <nekostar> the one where i could set some arbitrary app that's running to say restart when crashing..
[05:18] <darthanubis> nekostar, system>session
[05:19] <nekostar> darthanubis run that
[05:19] <nekostar> notice a missing tab or two?
[05:19] <EyesOfARaven> can someone help me
[05:19] <nekostar> hm
[05:19] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven one sec
[05:19] <darthanubis> !ask: EyesOfARaven
[05:20] <crdlb> cohete: what model laptop is it?
[05:20] <darthanubis> !help
[05:21] <nekostar> oh ok
[05:21] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven you had to compile it?
[05:21] <nekostar> thats awesome
[05:21] <nekostar> change into the dir you compiled it from
[05:21] <prometheanfire> does anyone have a nvidia 9XXX series working with RC1?
[05:21] <nekostar> and do sudo make uninstall
[05:21] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[19 hours, 32 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.989 MHz (19200.16 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Cor
[05:21] <nekostar> poration with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[05:21] <cohete> crdlb, clevo m38aw
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> ok, resolution issue fixed.   However, I noticed that when I press the J key for the first time during login, it displays "E", but not again after that
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> is this a known issue?
[05:22] <EyesOfARaven> nekostar: i ran the installer script
[05:22] <EyesOfARaven> but yeah i think i can find the dir it references
[05:22] <EyesOfARaven> ill give that a go..
[05:23] <EyesOfARaven> eh
[05:23] <EyesOfARaven> it is precompiled
[05:25] <darthanubis> nekostar, where you get that script from?
[05:25] <darthanubis> nekostar, where you get that script from?
[05:25] <darthanubis> :(
[05:25] <darthanubis> sorry
[05:25] <nekostar> darthanubis i got it from someone quite a while ago
[05:26] <EyesOfARaven> nekostar: is there not just a "redetect what driver ubuntu was using when it was installed" button
[05:26] <nekostar> i think it used to be in a package somewhere
[05:26] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven no there's not
[05:26] <EyesOfARaven> ;p
[05:26] <nekostar> you ran an installer script?
[05:26] <EyesOfARaven> yes
[05:26] <nekostar> ok gimme bit
[05:26] <nekostar> i'll grab the stuff and look
[05:26] <EyesOfARaven> thanks mate
[05:26] <nekostar> i'm modding my themes rite now
[05:26] <nekostar> which as we all know is crucial
[05:27] <nekostar> ;d
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> my display resolution and direct rendering are a bit more crucial to me
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:27] <nekostar> ok look
[05:27] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> yep?
[05:27] <nekostar> i'm thinking of punishing u
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> whaifor
[05:27] <nekostar> clean_previous.sh sound familiar?
[05:27] <nekostar> ~____~
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> i saw that
[05:27] <EyesOfARaven> ;p
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> that fix it?
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> didnt wanna run it blindly
[05:28] <nekostar> thats the uninstaller!
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> hehe
[05:28] <nekostar> open the file
[05:28] <nekostar> look inside
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> why the hell didnt they name it uninstall
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> rofl
[05:28] <nekostar> rm -i /etc/rc*.d/*eee*.sh rm -i /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-*eee*
[05:28] <nekostar> lol
[05:28] <nekostar> no clue
[05:28] <nekostar> but hey on the upside
[05:28] <nekostar> that'l prolly get all of it!!
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> on the upside im not screwed
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:28] <nekostar> then you just gotta delete the nvidia driver u got
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> there is no nvidia driver
[05:28] <nekostar> and then run jockey-gtk etc
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> what is jockey-gtk
[05:28] <EyesOfARaven> ;o
[05:28] <nekostar> or whatever else
[05:29] <nekostar> jockey-gtk is the actual app that pops up for restricted hardware drivers!
[05:29] <nekostar> i'm sure youll understand how happy i was to finally figure that out
[05:29] <nekostar> i had to fix Several hardy installs by hand!!
[05:30] <nekostar> anyway
[05:30] <darthanubis> nekostar, would you dcc me the script?
[05:30] <nekostar> oh yeah htats what i was doing
[05:30] <nekostar> lol
[05:31] <noaxi> as soon as the fsck completes the system freezes up unless a key is pressed (example CTRL ALT or any other key)
[05:31] <nekostar> noaxi eh?
[05:31] <nekostar> darthanubis accept ^^
[05:32] <noaxi> from that moment on the system needs at least on key pressed to do anything at all..
[05:32] <darthanubis> :) thx
[05:32] <nekostar> just put that in .xchat2 and your good to go next time u start it - there is also under _w_indows a script window where u can load it
[05:32] <nekostar> np
[05:32] <nekostar> ;>
[05:32] <nekostar> saves me the trouble of pastebin
[05:32] <nekostar> noaxi wth?
[05:32] <noaxi> I was thinking the same thing..
[05:32] <nekostar> what's dmesg give u
[05:33] <noaxi> dmesg is frozen as well..
[05:33] <nekostar> also check /var/logs/[sysinfo|messages]
[05:33] <nekostar> noaxi try booting with acpi=off noacpi apic=off noapic
[05:33] <noaxi> unless any key pressed then the system continues until key released
[05:33] <nekostar> sounds wierd but they solve a lOT of pROBLEMS
[05:33] <nekostar> :D
[05:34] <nekostar> hm
[05:34] <nekostar> ok lets get this right
[05:34] <nekostar> system hangs unless a key is being pressed actively?
[05:34] <nekostar> then it's fine?
[05:34] <noaxi> no soft is doing anything.. so no syslog  nothing..
[05:34] <noaxi> no error messages..
[05:34] <nekostar> kb/mouse error likely
[05:34] <noaxi> no to try noacip..
[05:34] <nekostar> ?
[05:34] <nekostar> ah
[05:35] <nekostar> btw
[05:35] <nekostar> when its working do a: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:35] <nekostar> then when it quits working and starts etc etc
[05:35] <nekostar> you should get some stdout
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> that did not successfully remove it
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> it just removed the driver, didnt fix any of the stuff
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> lol
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> im gonna reinstall, as much as that sucks..
[05:35] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven what's broken?
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> the video driver
[05:35] <nekostar> no need to reinstall ~_~
[05:35] <nekostar> ok
[05:35] <nekostar> your in intrepid rite?
[05:35] <EyesOfARaven> yes
[05:36] <nekostar> kk one sec
[05:36] <nekostar> i'll give you something nasty
[05:36] <noaxi> btw I was running nosplash so any dmesg or any other messages should be visible as it is booting
[05:36] <EyesOfARaven> i couldnt find xorgtextcfg or xorgconfig
[05:36] <EyesOfARaven> or id've mucked with those
[05:36] <EyesOfARaven> i suppose u use x11
[05:36] <EyesOfARaven> but i dunno shit about lowlevel configgin that
[05:36] <nekostar> HEY
[05:36] <nekostar> WHO BROKE APT!
[05:36] <nekostar> ~_~
[05:36] <Tim183> still no support for my ar5007eg on release candidate
[05:36] <EyesOfARaven> satan?
[05:37] <Tim183> i thought ath5k was supposed to fix that
[05:37] <nekostar> E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression
[05:37] <EyesOfARaven> i reckon ur regex was invalid, nekostar
[05:37] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:37] <nekostar> ......
[05:37] <EyesOfARaven> lol
[05:38] <noaxi> now It's showing normal behaviour..
[05:38] <noaxi> as in it's not freezing..
[05:38] <nekostar> ok now i'm getting there
[05:38] <nekostar> noaxi that might be something to do with it
[05:38] <noaxi> hmm 2.6.27 bug ?
[05:38] <nekostar> acpi?
[05:38] <nekostar> dunno
[05:38] <Tim183> does anyone have any tips to help, ive tried every possible forum post and blog discussion for the last 3 months on hardy... i thought intrepid would be the fix, but it appears not
[05:38] <nekostar> you should make sure mobo bios updated and whatnot
[05:39] <nekostar> Tim183 ?
[05:39] <nekostar> oh
[05:39] <Tim183> still no support for my ar5007eg on release candidate
[05:39] <noaxi> acpi was working with 8.04.1
[05:39] <Tim183> i thought ath5k was supposed to fix that
[05:39] <noaxi> ath5k is disabled ..
[05:40] <noaxi> 2.6.27.3 should fix ath5k
[05:40] <Tim183> ah ok
[05:40] <noaxi> it also has a fix for usb polling wich which might have something to do with the strange freeze I have
[05:40] <Tim183> how do I get that?
[05:40] <EyesOfARaven> is AR242x supposed to work?
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> mine is detected but wont connect
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> i can see my network
[05:41] <nekostar> hm
[05:41] <Tim183> mine isnt even detected
[05:41] <nekostar> oh well
[05:41] <nekostar> reinstalling would be faster
[05:41] <nekostar> have at it
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> it takes a long time
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> actually, nekostar
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> a good hour
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> im on an eeepc
[05:41] <noaxi> ath5k is disabled in the current version
[05:41] <nekostar> well
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> so if u can spare me the pain
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> please by all means do
[05:41] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:42] <nekostar> sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia* xserver*
[05:42] <Tim183> noaxi: so how should I approach this then?
[05:42] <nekostar> then sudo apt-get clean
[05:42] <nekostar> then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or whatever one's your fav
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> nekostar: why do u keep referring to an nvidia driver
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:42]  * nekostar shrugs
[05:42] <Tim183> I'm on release candiate at the moment, just running update manager at the moment
[05:42] <nekostar> nvidia or whatever else
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> it is an intel driver
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:42] <nekostar> intel?
[05:42] <nekostar> oh
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> yes
[05:42] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:42] <noaxi> be patient or be bold and compile 2.6.27.3.......... be warned for ADVANCED users only..
[05:42] <nekostar> what driver?
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> the one that came with the scripts
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> dude
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> just tell me how to reconfig x
[05:43] <Tim183> im not advanced
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> cuz i hav no idea, and im sure that'll fix it
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> i just am not familiar with lowlevel x11
[05:43] <nekostar> oh
[05:43] <EyesOfARaven> only xorg
[05:43] <nekostar> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <nekostar> ^_6
[05:43] <nekostar> at the end do medium
[05:43] <Tim183> noaxi: when will it be fixed?
[05:43] <nekostar> frankly EyesOfARaven
[05:44] <nekostar> just nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:44] <nekostar> and edit the driver
[05:44] <nekostar> but that dpkg-reconfigure is nice too to get everything .. /me shrugs
[05:44] <EyesOfARaven> the problem is i dont know the original one
[05:44] <noaxi> it's fixed in the most recent kernel .. so I'd think whenever it's recompiled and added to repository
[05:44] <EyesOfARaven> or i'd just do that
[05:45] <Tim183> noaxi: how long are we looking at?
[05:45] <Tim183> im considering attempting to pull the laptop apart and switching the wireless card over to a compatible one
[05:46] <Tim183> ive been trying to get this thing to work for 3 months now
[05:48] <noaxi> strangely enough ath5k is supposed to be included in kernel 2.6.27 so it should work..
[05:49] <digdug> I'm unable to see an external hard drive, that I can see fine in vista (rebooted multiple times to each OS to make sure the drive wasn't being flaky)
[05:49] <digdug> I was able to see it in 8.04 as well
[05:49] <EyesOfARaven> lol my wifi works in 8.10 while two separate eee-specific distros failed
[05:49] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:49] <Tim183> how do i check my current kernel?
[05:50] <EyesOfARaven> uname -a
[05:50] <thatguy> crimsun: thanks it works now
[05:50] <digdug> yeah, wifi seems to work well in ubuntu
[05:50] <EyesOfARaven> the other distros were ubuntu too
[05:50] <thatguy> flash is very slow for me
[05:50] <digdug> do they include out of the box broadcom support now, too?
[05:50] <EyesOfARaven> and packaged with drivers for my specific hardware
[05:50] <thatguy> but that's normal
[05:50] <EyesOfARaven> and they failed miserably, it makes me lol
[05:50] <Tim183> 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 22 01:30:40 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:51] <EyesOfARaven> i cant change my damn resolution to what i need
[05:51] <EyesOfARaven> apparently drivers are fine now
[05:51] <EyesOfARaven> i added a line for the res in xorg
[05:51] <EyesOfARaven> but it didnt work
[05:51] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Just upgraded to 8.10 - and it broke networking both wired and wireless for me.. :) on my test laptop..  Bummer.. Trying a clean install now.
[05:52] <dr_willis> EyesOfARaven,  lately ive seen a few  people with X issues that just need a proper 'modes' line in the xorg.conf.
[05:52] <EyesOfARaven> i did that tho
[05:53] <EyesOfARaven> didnt help
[05:53] <Tim183> noaxi: im on 2.6.27... so why no atheroos support?
[05:53] <dr_willis> EyesOfARaven,  i got so annoyed at X one day. I just moved the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.why_dont_you_work   and restarted X with no xorg.conf  :) and it worked....
[05:53] <dr_willis> Still not sure what hapened there.
[05:53] <EyesOfARaven> that's a good plan
[05:54] <EyesOfARaven> i find that works with many x issues with other files
[05:54] <EyesOfARaven> why not the conf
[05:54] <EyesOfARaven> i shall try it
[05:54] <dr_willis> I got archives of my old xorg.conf for my old machines/releases..
[05:54] <dr_willis> some times i grab one of them.
[05:55] <EyesOfARaven> didnt work.
[05:55] <dr_willis> bummmer.
[05:55] <nekostar> darthanubis  http://bayimg.com/MALneAabj :>>
[05:56] <noaxi> search in google for LP: #288148
[05:56] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven
[05:56] <nekostar> you didnt do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg??????!?!
[05:56] <EyesOfARaven> yes i did
[05:56] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:56] <nekostar> as punishment u also must click on my link for the pix of my desktop!
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> that GAVE me the nearly blank file
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> lol.
[05:57] <nekostar> you must have picked some funky options
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> i mostly let it pick for itself
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:57] <Tim183> noaxi: yes I did
[05:57] <nekostar> .................
[05:57] <Tim183> what am i looking for?
[05:57]  * nekostar shakes head
[05:57] <nekostar> ok thats it
[05:57] <nekostar> go look cauze my desktop's hawter than yours <.>
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> i program my own shells
[05:57] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[05:58] <nekostar> and now i go to get properly plastered
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> anyway im gonna reinstall ubuntu
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> so i can just forget this ever happened
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> :D
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> ooo i know
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> i can boot the live cd
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> rather, usb
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> and then copy it's xorg
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> into mine
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> :D
[05:58] <EyesOfARaven> old trick..
[05:58] <noaxi> Tim183: investigate
[05:59] <Tim183> ok, but I'm a newbie :)
[06:00] <nekostar> EyesOfARaven
[06:00] <nekostar> no need to boot it
[06:00] <nekostar> just go to terminal and pop that puppy in
[06:00] <nekostar> manually mount if u gotta
[06:00] <Tim183>  sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[06:00] <nekostar> just stop gdm while yer doing it so that when your done booom its working no installing
[06:00] <nekostar> but that wont work i bet
[06:01]  * dr_willis has missed the actual problem somehow...
[06:01] <dr_willis> :)
[06:02] <Tim183> will that command work?
[06:03] <noaxi> Tim183: sorry I got to go afk.. and eat some breakfast.. wont be back for some time..
[06:06] <digdug> I can't get my external hard drive to show up in 8.10
[06:07] <dr_willis> digdug,  ive noticed an issue with exteranal vfat/ntfs thumbdrives also.. but ext2/3 worked..
[06:07] <digdug> ah, it is ntfs
[06:07] <dr_willis> had a some error about wrong mount arguments. i recall
[06:08] <digdug> fdisk isn't even seeing mine
[06:08] <digdug> but lsusb does see the usb device
[06:08] <prometheanfire> I installed nvidia-glx-177 before installing xorg-core; I then tried to remove nvidia-glx-177 and cannot becaue apt is having issues, how do you reset apt?
[06:08] <dr_willis> I just mounted them manually from the command line..  You are running fdisk as root?
[06:08] <digdug> well, as su
[06:08] <digdug> sudo -s, I mean
[06:10] <dr_willis> if fdisk isent showing the devices.. then.. well. thats a deeper issue.
[06:10] <digdug> vista and 8.04 see it fine
[06:10] <dr_willis> check 'dmesg' output as ya plugin/remove the device..
[06:10] <dr_willis> could its confused about it.
[06:11] <digdug> hmm, didn't even need to unplug it
[06:11] <digdug> lots and lots of lines about sdd
[06:11] <digdug> basically, this repeated over and over again:
[06:11] <digdug> [ 2459.363142] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Add. Sense: No additional sense information
[06:11] <digdug> [ 2459.365132] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Sense Key : No Sense [current]
[06:13] <prometheanfire> has anyone gotten a nvidia 9XXX series card working?
[06:14] <digdug> hmm, buffer i/o error on device sdd when I unplug it
[06:14] <dr_willis> digdug,  Hmm.. to be 'safest' i would boot to windows and check the filesystem on that device.. and perhaps try a different usb port.
[06:15] <prometheanfire> I take that as a no
[06:16] <dr_willis> prometheanfire,  from what i gather a lot can depend on the exact card.
[06:16] <dr_willis> I just have an 8800gtsxxx  so no personal experience.
[06:16] <digdug> alright, thanks for the tips, be back later
[06:16] <FFForever> how can i search the ppa for python 2.6?
[06:19] <prometheanfire> hmmm, 64bit 8.04 supported the cards but I cannot get it working in 32bit 8.10
[06:20] <dr_willis> sounds like driver/version/kernel issues.
[06:20] <dr_willis> 8.10 offered 2 different nvidia drivers in the  restricted drivers config tool for my laptop.. perhaps you need tot ry the other driver?
[06:21] <prometheanfire> as far as I know only 177 supports the 9000 series cards
[06:21] <dr_willis> but wasent the older ubuntu not using 177?
[06:22] <dr_willis> I cant keep up with version #'s and the latest cards..  Im too poor. :)
[06:22] <prometheanfire> I think it was using nvidia-glx-new which was really an older version of 177
[06:22] <noaxi> dr_willis: you mean your frugal enough to survice the curren crunch ;-)
[06:23] <noaxi> survive
[06:23] <dr_willis> noaxi,  for now.. I work for Chrysler.. so we dont know whats going to happen.
[06:23] <prometheanfire> now I cannot remove the 177 driver to install xserver-xorg-core (xserver wants to overwrite a file that is provided by the 177 driver that is already installed)
[06:23] <noaxi> I am frual enough to survive any crunch..
[06:24] <noaxi> *frugal
[06:24] <dr_willis> Living on Instanat Noodles - sucks. :)
[06:24] <prometheanfire> but it is effective
[06:27] <noaxi> instant noodles are expensive healthwise
[06:27] <noaxi> learn to cook..
[06:28] <dr_willis> I dont use that salt package. :) i use them as a side dish with some  steemed chicken brests
[06:28] <prometheanfire> spaghetti is good enough
[06:30] <noaxi> just as long as u use the rice noodle ( mihoen ) type
[06:30] <noaxi> wi:-)
[06:31] <|Cyb3rPunk|> how do i make ubuntu remember my session so when i restart and login my old session opens
[06:32] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ? any one
[06:33] <|Cyb3rPunk|> hello?
[06:34] <noaxi> System->preferences->Sessions ^options
[06:34] <|Cyb3rPunk|> dont have a session menu in that section
[06:35] <Tim183> can anyone help me with my atheros card
[06:37] <|Cyb3rPunk|> why is there no session menu in there
[06:41] <frybye> Hi - how to add gweather??
[06:43] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i still got no luck with this " Session^options "
[06:44] <|Cyb3rPunk|> maybe someone can help me with the next step on my list how can i make my user acount have root permisson
[06:45] <dr_willis> sudo adduser billgates
[06:45] <dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <|Cyb3rPunk|> thats a joke right
[06:45] <dr_willis> Oh wait.. you want to set up a user with root  privilages..
[06:46] <dr_willis> one alters the sudoers and groups for that.. but  i forget how.
[06:46] <dr_willis> There was some GUI tool for it also.
[06:46] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i have a user account but want to be able to edit a file in root but dont want to have to go out and login as root
[06:46] <dr_willis> |Cyb3rPunk|,  if its the first initial user, you would use the sudo command. If that user does not have sudo rights. then you need to give them sudo rights.
[06:47] <frybye> dr_willis: looks like he dosent know about sudo etc.. or?
[06:47] <|Cyb3rPunk|> how do i do that?
[06:47] <|Cyb3rPunk|> kinda new to linux
 one alters the sudoers and groups for that.. but  i forget how.
[06:47] <DanaG> sudo adduser username groupname
[06:47] <dr_willis> so you no longer have your initial user you made during install?
[06:47] <DanaG> admin group will give sudo priveliges.
[06:48] <dr_willis> ah admin group. :) thats it..
[06:48] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i have my inatial user acoutn i'm in it now
[06:48] <DanaG> er, misspelled 'privileges'.  Yeah, I am obsessive-compulsive about my own spelling, but not about others'.
[06:48] <dr_willis> |Cyb3rPunk|,  then you should be able to do a 'sudo nano /file/to/edit' and edit somthing as root
[06:48] <frybye> can sbdy tell me where the applets are in intrepid?? - I am trying to add the gweather applet but cant find it...?
[06:49] <DanaG> Try adding a location to the clock applet.
[06:49] <DanaG> Clock applet does weather.
[06:49] <|Cyb3rPunk|> no easer way to do that so i can point and click :D
[06:49] <frybye> thanks DanaG
[06:49] <|Cyb3rPunk|> like i said new
[06:49] <chowmeined> is it possible to continue t he boot process after getting dropped to initramfs shell?
[06:49] <chowmeined> i fixed the issue
[06:49] <DanaG> ctrl-d
[06:49] <dr_willis> Theres some user admin tools in the menus.
[06:49] <DanaG> exits shell.
[06:49] <chowmeined> thanks
[06:50] <DanaG> It works in other places, too -- ctrl-d gives EOF (End Of File).
[06:50] <chowmeined> er, it just says the same error again
[06:50] <jameswf> when i try to install a os X widget it silently fails....
[06:50] <chowmeined> but the error is untrue
[06:50] <chowmeined> it says /dev/hda1 doesnt exist, except it does, and i just mounted it
[06:50] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:50] <chowmeined> busybox is a liar!
[06:51] <dr_willis> busybox is like a whole OS in one little app. :) its amazing what it can do.
[06:52] <esac> how do i modify x settings now that xorg.conf is gone ? I need to set nvidia option DPI 96x96 on my system
[06:52] <digdug> dr_willis: vista's scan disk found errors in the master file table on that drive, not sure if that fixed it or not, I still have to reboot again
[06:53] <|Cyb3rPunk|> think i give up...
[06:53] <DanaG> Few displays are actually 96 DPI... many are 86 or 99 or something.
[06:53] <chowmeined> oh well, i guess ill just do it manually
[06:53] <dr_willis> |Cyb3rPunk|,   whats the exact issue? Im missing somthing here.. or you are...
[06:53] <esac> DanaG, on 8.04 i set it to 96x96 and it looked just fine. whatever the default was, some objects were scaled the wrong size until i did so.
[06:54] <DanaG> !google javascript dpi calculator
[06:54] <dr_willis> sudo adduser username groupname, using the admin group as 'groupname' but your Original user is allready in the admin group
[06:54] <DanaG> You should set it to the actual DPI of the display.
[06:54] <DanaG> if the fonts are too big...... change the font size, not the DPI setting.
[06:54] <esac> ok but that still doesnt answer my question. how do i do so if xorg.conf is gone ?
[06:54] <DanaG> You can do that in the Gnome appearance properties: the fonts tab, "Details..." button.
[06:55] <|Cyb3rPunk|> Well i want to edit the folder for amsn and have total admin rights. i also hate having to reopen and load my programs u every time i login so want them to open as sone as i login
[06:55] <dr_willis> edit the folder? in what way? one normally edits files, not folders..   Your initial user has 'sudo' rights. and can do root tasks with the sudo  or gksudo commands.
[06:56] <predator3631> was i suposed to uninstall wine before i installed cedaga?
[06:56] <|Cyb3rPunk|> well want to add files and addon  to the folder but don't know how to realy use termanal
[06:56] <dr_willis> as for the 2nd part.. the gnome sessions   settings are some wherein the menus. I saw them yesterday.. but im not on gnome at the moment so cant tell you exactly where they are at.
[06:56] <dr_willis> |Cyb3rPunk|,  i tend to cheat and isntall 'mc' and use 'sudo mc' so i have a terminalbased file manager i run as root. :)
[06:57] <dr_willis> it is worth while to learn the shell.
[06:57] <dr_willis> but mc is very very veyr very handy to have/learn also
[06:57] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i'm thinking soo now
[06:57] <dr_willis> mc is a good comprimize :)
[06:57] <dr_willis> !info mc
[06:57] <|Cyb3rPunk|> is there a book or a somthing for dummies
[06:57] <dr_willis> Theres literally 1000;'s of linux bookx and books/sites on learning the shell
[06:58] <dr_willis> !shell
[06:58] <dr_willis> most 'dummies' books seemto focus on just walking you through/exploring the GUI.. YOu can do that without a book
[06:58] <dr_willis> launch every settings app and look at the options
[06:59] <legend2440> |Cyb3rPunk|: open system>preferences>startup programs and enter programs you want to start at login. at least thats how it is in hardy. i don't have intrepid installed right now
[06:59] <esac> where do i make changes to x settings now that xorg.conf is gone ?
[07:00] <legend2440> |Cyb3rPunk|: sorry i mean   open system>preferences>sessions>startup programs and enter programs you want to start at login. at least thats how it is in hardy. i don't have intrepid installed right now
[07:00] <dr_willis> |Cyb3rPunk|,  theres also a setting/check box somewhere to auto save sessions so when you logout - it will rember/restart any  apps you had open. but that can cause.. issues at times..
[07:00] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ok ...will look into that tomarrow... need to get some zZz... big day tomarrow thanks all for the help (again i dont seem to have this Sesionpart in my menu)
[07:00] <predator3631> n/ i got cedega working
[07:01] <dr_willis> system -> preferances -> sessions
[07:01] <dr_willis> My preferances menu scrolls off the bottom of the screen... :)
[07:01] <dr_willis> Options tab
[07:02] <dr_willis> too late...
[07:02] <dr_willis> His loss. :)
[07:03] <legend2440> dr_willis: yes either that or he might have to enable the Sessions entry in his menu
[07:03] <dr_willis> Install linux, thens  spend all day.. getting Cedega/wine working.. instead of learning linux... what am i missing  In this picture. heh
[07:04] <dr_willis> Im just glad that wireless and hibernate started working on my laptop under 8.10
[07:04] <jameswf> that reminds me install winr
[07:04] <jameswf> *wine
[07:04] <dr_willis> Been playing Age of Empires II in wine all week
[07:04] <dr_willis> :)
[07:05] <dr_willis> got burnt out on Wesnoth
[07:09] <dr_willis> well i installed that mag tool using the pet i made.. but cant find the .pet now. :)
[07:11] <DanaG> Pet?
[07:11] <DanaG> What?
[07:14] <dr_willis> my #puppylinux chat got in the wrong channel.. bad dog.
[07:14] <dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <dr_willis> Puppy uses .pet packages.. similer to slackware
[07:18] <digdug> dang it, didn't work, drive still isn't visible
[07:18] <digdug> I even unplugged my card reader which was showing up as /dev/sdc, then plugged in my external drive into that usb port
[07:21] <digdug> it does have an ntfs filesystem, but even if that were the problem, wouldn't the drive at the very least show up (/dev/sdd, but not /dev/sdd1)?
[07:21] <dr_willis> IYea.. sounds like there might be some  quirky hardware/kernel/driver issue going on
[07:22] <dr_willis> It does work with ubuntu live cds ?
[07:22] <aurachron> ntfs should work fine
[07:22] <digdug> someone earlier mentioned they were having trouble with ntfs on external drives
[07:22] <digdug> I also have an internal drive on /dev/sda1 that's ntfs that mounts fine
[07:22] <aurachron> i personally use fat32 with externals, but now that linux has decent ntfs support i don't have to worry
[07:23] <dr_willis> I have issues with Gnome auto-mounting ntfs/vfat exteranl drives.. but thats not the same issue as you are having.
[07:23] <dr_willis> if  sudo fdisk -l, isent even showing the disk.. theres a deeper issue
[07:23] <digdug> oh, gotcha; yeah, my internal disk doesn't auto-mount on boot, but gnome-mount still mounts it fine when I click on Places -> sunny
[07:24] <digdug> agreed, but I still can't figure out if it's my issue or not
[07:24] <dr_willis> digdug,  my ntfs/vfat dont wheni do that. I gotta manually mount them.. but that maybe fixed in the recent updates
[07:26] <digdug> all 3 of my hard drives are pata; the external one is in an enclosure that goes from pata to usb, of course
[07:27] <digdug> I just plugged my card reader into the usb hub on the hard disk enclosure, and my 2gb sd card came up fine
[07:28] <dr_willis> digdug,  Hmm.. this was a sd card on a laptops Internal card reader - you had issues with?
[07:28] <digdug> no
[07:28] <dr_willis> or am i getting confused now. :)
[07:28] <digdug> sd card was always working
[07:28] <dr_willis> i had issues in the past with laptop 'built' in readers  -
[07:29] <digdug> but I plugged it in through the usb hub of the hard disk enclosure of the hard disk that isn't working
[07:29] <digdug> desktop
[07:29] <digdug> my laptop's video card got fried last christmas
[07:30] <digdug> like 41 days out of warranty
[07:30] <darthanubis> what temps are you guys chip running at?
[07:30] <darthanubis> (s)
[07:31] <digdug> what's a good utility to check that?
[07:31] <darthanubis> I use lmsensors via gkerllm
[07:31] <darthanubis> gkrellm
[07:31] <digdug> gkrellm any better these days; I used that years ago, but it was so ugly I stoped
[07:31] <digdug> stopped*
[07:31] <darthanubis> lm-sensors
[07:32] <darthanubis> I use it with the invisible glass
[07:32] <darthanubis> or just called "invisible" theme
[07:32] <darthanubis> all I see are stats on my desktop
[07:32] <darthanubis> lmsensors seesm to correctly gauged my temps
[07:33] <darthanubis> hardy reported a few degrees cooler
[07:33] <digdug> I really like the window themes for 8.10; is the darkroom theme brand new?
[07:33] <darthanubis> I don't know
[07:34] <darthanubis> I use the ubuntustudio theme for dark
[07:34] <wgrant> digdug: It is new, and was the default for some of the early alphas.
[07:34] <esac> hi all, just installed intrepid today. i cant seem to get libpcsclite1 to install. any ideas ?
[07:35] <digdug> it's very nice; I picked that, but then modified the colors a bit so the window was more grey with a touch of blue, and the scrollbars are blue
[07:38] <digdug> I don't like how I either have to disable effects to use workspaces, or if I turn on the "rotate cube" option in compiz, that it "flips" to the 2nd workspace instead of slides like it did before
[07:39] <sigmabetatooth> could anyone with an atheros card offer some tech support
[07:40] <digdug> go ahead and ask your question, not sure I can help, but someone else might be able to
[07:41] <sigmabetatooth> well i've been running ibex now pretty much since the initial beta was released
[07:42] <sigmabetatooth> before ibex i had been using madwifi to support my atheros ar242
[07:42] <sigmabetatooth> but ibex WAS taking care of it for me
[07:42] <dr_willis> I find the rotate cube thing is only good for impressing windows users. :)
[07:42] <sigmabetatooth> one upgrade about 2 or 3 week back to the wifi down for about 2 or 3 days until there was a patch put in
[07:43] <redwhitewaldo> what's this thing about debian-med?
[07:43] <redwhitewaldo> do i need it if I'm not a med student / pro?
[07:43] <sigmabetatooth> i took another upgrade today and the wifi went bye bye again
[07:44] <sigmabetatooth> any thoughts???
[07:44] <digdug> yeah, and I don't really like the rotate cube thing, I preferred it when it would slide to the next workspace, but I don't know where to set that
[07:44] <dr_willis> Hmm.. one of the 100000 compiz settings. :)
[07:44] <digdug> hmm, I had my wifi go out on a partial upgrade as well, but a reboot fixed that
[07:44] <digdug> atheros card as well
[07:44] <dr_willis> disable cube and see what it does do perhaps?
[07:45] <ArkoldThos> anyone with intel problems?
[07:45] <sigmabetatooth> i've rebooted a number of times to no avail
[07:45] <sigmabetatooth> the strange thing is when i look at the hardware drivers it shows the atheros driver with the grey "this dirver is not activated" icon
[07:45] <ArkoldThos> haha, intrepid just make my wifi works ;)
[07:46] <dr_willis> Intrepid upgrade killed my wireless and wired. :)
[07:46] <sigmabetatooth> i hit the green activate and...
[07:46] <dr_willis> oops...
[07:46] <dr_willis> On my other laptop - wireless worked on it fine. :)
[07:46] <sigmabetatooth> "this driver was just disabled, but is still in use"
[07:47] <ArkoldThos> intrepid broke 3d acceleration, damn <.<
[07:47] <esac> i notice from apt-get packages that have {a} after them now. any idea what that means
[07:47] <sigmabetatooth> doesn't make since considering it was saying it wasn't activated
[07:48] <digdug> disabling the cube just makes it impossible to get to workspace 2; disabling rotate cube, makes me click on the workspaces launcher on my panel to switch
[07:48] <digdug> just nice to be able to hit ctrl+alt+arrow key to move back and forth
[07:49] <SBTooth> No extra wireless thoughts beside way a few days till the next upgrade?
[07:50] <dr_willis> my laptop has some issues with the ctrl-arrow keys to the left it often goes 2+ spaces..  been that way for the last 2 ubuntu releases in compiz
[07:51] <SBTooth> suggestions for other rooms that might have some help
[07:52] <ArkoldThos> nobody have problems using intel graphics?
[07:56] <ArkoldThos> going to sleep
[07:56] <ArkoldThos> im tired
[07:56] <ArkoldThos> cya
[07:56] <SBTooth> sleep well
[07:59] <pen> hi
[07:59] <pen> I installed RC
[07:59] <pen> but I can't add custom fonts to .fonts
[07:59] <pen> I can't open ttf files
[07:59] <pen> why?
[08:00] <dr_willis> hmm.. I normally just copy them to .fonts and  away i go..
[08:00] <dr_willis> You might need to logout/in perhaps?
[08:00] <SBTooth> what's the command to see what version you are in
[08:00] <pen> hm
[08:00] <pen> dr_willis: maybe
[08:01] <pen> let me try
[08:05] <redwhitewaldo> hi. i'm in the middle of upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10. Should I "Replace the customized configuration file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf"?. pastebin is at http://pastebin.com/m224d3db
[08:05] <redwhitewaldo> thank you.
[08:06] <dr_willis> have you customized that config yourself? if so you may want to keep the original.. or if it was some trival change you did.. use the new. and reapply your changes
[08:06] <redwhitewaldo> i don't know/remember if i customized the file myself. 8-(
[08:06] <dr_willis> are you evenusing the dhcp server?
[08:06] <dr_willis> Keep the original then I guess.
[08:07] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: how do i know if i'm using dhcp server?
[08:07] <redwhitewaldo> i'm a newbie
[08:07] <redwhitewaldo> point-and-click newbie
[08:07] <dr_willis> If you dont know.. I imagine you are not using it
[08:07] <dr_willis> You got a lan? you got a router?
[08:08] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: we have a wireless router.
[08:08] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: how can i tell if we have a lan?
[08:08] <dr_willis> Its most likely working as a dhcp server also then
[08:08] <dr_willis> lan = 1 or more machines networked...
[08:08] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: i'm on wired, roommate is on wireless.
[08:08] <dr_willis> I imagine the router is working as a dhcp server then.
[08:09] <redwhitewaldo> how can we confirm whether it is in fact so?
[08:09] <redwhitewaldo> and what happens if i do NOT keep dhcp file?
[08:09] <dr_willis> turn off both machines..  power up the other.. see if it gets an ip.
[08:09] <redwhitewaldo> which other?
[08:09] <redwhitewaldo> what other?
[08:09] <dr_willis> I imagine it backs up any configs you changed
[08:09] <dr_willis> if you machine is working as a dhcp server..  and its off.. then its not going to be used..
[08:10] <dr_willis> I very much doubt if your machine IS being used as a dhcp server.
[08:10] <redwhitewaldo> and if my machine is NOT being used as a dhcp server, what are the implications ("so what"?)
[08:10] <dr_willis> if its not being used.. then it dosent matter much.
[08:11] <dr_willis> dhcp gives out ip#'s to other machines on the lan. the router is doing the same job.
[08:11] <redwhitewaldo> the only thing that looks familiar to me from the dhcp file is line 22 ( -prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220;) that's the opendns servers.
[08:11] <DigitalFiz> so what happens to this channel in 6 days?
[08:11] <redwhitewaldo> so should i choose "replace"?
[08:11] <dr_willis> DigitalFiz,  it normally closes down for a week or 2, till the next release gets started up
[08:11] <DigitalFiz> ah
[08:12] <DigitalFiz> i just updated to the RC
[08:12] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,   looks like a DNS setting.. so it proberly wont matter.
[08:12] <DigitalFiz> running great
[08:12] <pen> dr_willis: no use
[08:12] <redwhitewaldo> so should i choose Replace or Keep?
[08:12] <pen> still can't open font files
[08:12] <dr_willis> pen,  :) i can barely rember my name. what was the issue.. oh fonts.. :)
[08:13] <dr_willis> pen,  installing 8.10 on a laptop next to me.. i will check there...
[08:13] <pen> yes
[08:13] <pen> oh
[08:13] <pen> did you just install 8.10?
[08:13] <pen> meh
[08:13] <dr_willis> on one machine yes. :)
[08:13] <dr_willis> its rebooting now.. I goofed up and installed the server ed. on it earlier today.. doh... had to reinstall desktop ed
[08:13] <Jordan_U> ath5k breaking after the release of the release candidate along with not being able to update openjdk is a bit worrisome
[08:14] <pen> hm
[08:15] <pen> this is not normal
[08:15] <pen> because in 8.04
[08:16] <pen> I can view font files
[08:25] <pen> hi
[08:34] <redwhitewaldo> i've just upgraded. where's the default wallpaper?
[08:34] <dr_willis> I just copied some ttf fonts to my .fonts directory and gnome-terminal saw them fine
[08:35] <pen> dr_willis: hm
[08:35] <pen> dr_willis: gnome-terminal? I mean open them by double-clicking them
[08:35] <dr_willis> why would you want to do that? :) i know what they look like.
[08:36] <pen> dr_willis: because I can't
[08:36] <pen> dr_willis: I want to know if you can
[08:36] <dr_willis> now i got to walk across the room.. heh heh.. oh wait.. i can vnc in.. savce me taking 3 steps!
[08:36] <pen> heh
[08:36] <pen> you lazy bone
[08:37] <pen> whatever
[08:38] <redwhitewaldo> i've just upgraded. where's the default wallpaper?
[08:38] <dr_willis> it loads the font viwwer app.. but that app does not appear to work.
[08:39] <pen> dr_willis: so you have the same problem
[08:39] <pen> dr_willis: because I can't use my custom fonts now
[08:39] <dr_willis> I can USE custome fonts.. that font previewer app seems broken
[08:39] <pen> everything under .fonts doesn't show up in appearance
[08:39] <pen> wait
[08:39] <pen> you are right
[08:40] <pen> only the app is broken
[08:40] <pen> I can use my fonts too
[08:40] <dr_willis> i am testing this onmy Virytualbox install.. its not totally updated
[08:41] <dr_willis> Oh wait - im on my vnc/laptop :) not vbox.. its using RC
[08:44] <Jordan_U> Is openjdk-6-jre uninstallable for anywone else?
[08:45] <Jordan_U> *anyone
[08:47] <pen> back
[08:47] <pen> I changed my font and my firefox crashed
[08:47] <pen> lol
[08:47] <pen> dr_willis: you there?
[08:47] <pen> did you say something to me before I was cut off?
[08:49] <digdug> the best I can find is that the feature I'm looking for is desktop wall instead of rotate cube
[08:50] <digdug> any idea where I can find that setting?
[08:50] <pen> digdug: I thought desktop wall is the default?
[08:50] <digdug> it is, but it disappeared on me
[08:51] <dr_willis> hmm
[08:51] <digdug> and the only option I can find when I installed compizconfig-settings-manager is rotate cube
[08:51] <pen> dr_willis: did you find the solution to that font view problem?
[08:51] <dr_willis> not that i noticed. :) i got parts/joins/quits hidden..
[08:51] <pen> digdug: strange
[08:51] <dr_willis> I dont recall ever really wanting to view them. I imagine that app is just broken. theres other font viewer apps out.
[08:51] <dr_willis> :)
[08:51] <dr_willis> I was thinking at one time i got font previews in the gnome file manager..
[08:52] <pen> dr_willis: but it is nicer to open fonts file and have a general preview
[08:52] <dr_willis> but that may been in kde
[08:52] <digdug> I really prefer desktop wall, I hate the flipping animation, and I have no practical use for more than 2 workspaces
[08:52] <pen> also
[08:52] <pen> I'm using gnome-do
[08:52] <pen> the newest version
[08:52] <pen> I can't open home folder directly
[08:52] <pen> weird
[08:52] <pen> but I can open other folders
[08:52] <pen> digdug: can you try to reset to default?
[08:53] <pen> digdug: in preference
[08:54] <digdug> that disables switching workspaces entirely
[08:54] <dr_willis> i tend to just disable compiz totally
[08:55] <pen> digdug: the default disable compiz?
[08:55] <pen> digdug: I mean the default settings
[08:55] <digdug> yeah, I opened compizconfig settings manager, clicked on the preferences button, then clicked on restore default settings
[08:55] <digdug> or reset to defaults*
[08:56] <pen> digdug: try reinstall compiz
[08:56] <pen> digdug: and delete any .compiz file or configuration in your home folder
[08:56] <pen> brb
[08:56] <ralpho> not me i have emerald stuff i like bummed it only have works in kde4
[08:57] <ralpho> guess some new themes will come alomg i will like
[08:58] <pen> back
[08:58] <pen> does it work?
[08:58] <dr_willis> I noticed the emerald theme repo-thing-tool is no longer there. :)
[08:58] <dr_willis> But its fairly easy to make your own
[08:58] <ilovegnulinux> can i upgrade hardy with intrepid rc cd?
[08:59] <Jordan_U> ilovegnulinux: If it's the alternate install CD
[08:59] <dr_willis> i was thinking the alternative cd can.. but you may want to wait a few days.. till everything gets finalized..
[08:59] <ilovegnulinux> :) thanks
[08:59] <dr_willis> oterwise you may download the cd.. upgrade.. then discover you got another 200+mb of updates/upgrades
[09:00] <ilovegnulinux> k
[09:00] <Jordan_U> So I assume by the fact that there are still many updates that there will be another rc ?
[09:01] <dr_willis> i belive the last release had 2.. but the release schedule would be the place to look
[09:01] <dr_willis> !release
[09:01] <dr_willis> hmm.. not the url i was looking for..
[09:01] <dr_willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[09:02] <Jordan_U> dr_willis: If you schedule ahead of time that you will have a second rc then the first isn't really a release candidate is it :)
[09:02] <dr_willis> I think last time they had some big issues...
[09:02] <dr_willis> Looks like thers only one RC scheduled
[09:03] <dr_willis> i always find the 'artwork deadline, and artwork deadline2, and final artwork deadline' to be amuseing...
[09:03] <Jordan_U> dr_willis: I don't think that's updated, I think it's just the schedule as was planned however many months ago
[09:03] <dr_willis> its artwork.... :) id rather see focus on stuff then the wallpaper.
[09:03] <digdug> I fixed it without reinstalling compiz; when I opened synaptic and searched for compiz, I noticed a package titled compiz-fusion-plugins-main that wasn't installed
[09:04] <digdug> I installed that, and desktop wall showed up in the compizconfig settings manager
[09:04] <dr_willis> Jordan_U,   yep - you maybe right.
[09:04] <ilovegnulinux> does intrepid use empathy instead of pidgin?
[09:04] <digdug> funny thing is I never uninstalled it; I wonder if it got removed from "apt-get autoremove"
[09:04] <dr_willis> I dont see any empathy ilovegnulinux  in the menus
[09:05] <kulight> empathy is in the repos
[09:05] <pen> is it better than pidgin?
[09:05] <dr_willis> So i guess the answer to ilovegnulinux  is 'no' it does not. :)
[09:05] <kulight> but pidgin is better
[09:06] <pen> btw, is there any gui irc client other than xchat?
[09:06] <digdug> I'm using pidgin now; like it a lot
[09:06] <Jordan_U> ilovegnulinux: empathy isn't even in main
[09:06] <dr_willis> I hate pidgin for IRC.
[09:06] <dr_willis> !info empathy
[09:06] <ilovegnulinux> :) anyone tried empathy? read about it in gnome 2.24 page
[09:06] <dr_willis> Telepathy - is some sort of remote admin tool ibelive
[09:06] <pen> it looks almost like pidgin
[09:06] <digdug> set up pidgin to keep your IRC windows separate from msn, icq, etc. and it works really well
[09:06] <dr_willis> !info Telepathy
[09:06] <dr_willis> I will stick with xchat for IRC.
[09:06] <digdug> I just prefer to have one IM/IRC client installed and running at a time
[09:07] <pen> digdug: hm
[09:07] <dr_willis> I dont run any other IM clients. :)
[09:07] <pen> so
[09:07] <pen> xchat is the only standalone client ?
[09:07] <prometheanfire> irssi
[09:07] <Acky> Hey!#
[09:07] <prometheanfire> yo
[09:07] <pen> well, I said gui
[09:07] <pen> of course I know irssi
[09:07] <Jordan_U> dr_willis: There is IM outside of IRC !?
[09:07] <Acky> I'm trying to setup ICS from Vista to 8.10 aand just need to know the settings basically
[09:08] <Acky> anyone care to lend a hand?
[09:08] <prometheanfire> vista makes me cry myself to sleep
[09:08] <Acky> its basically so i can fiddle about and try to get my wireless card working on ubuntu
[09:08] <Acky> prometheanfire, i've set it up[ on vista just need the IP settings for both
[09:08] <pen> prometheanfire: both has it's own strength and weaknesses
[09:09] <scopecreep> i deleted the vista partition last night... i feel stangely empowered
[09:09] <prometheanfire> ya, it still makes me cry myself to sleep
[09:09] <pen> prometheanfire: I like vista with more gaming and some other device support
[09:09] <digdug> I would delete vista, but I have this addiction to warcraft, and ventrilo doesn't work in linux; guild requirement
[09:09] <dr_willis> Jordan_U,  or so i hear.. but last i was in a Yahoo Linux room.. i couldent understand the Leet Speek
[09:09] <digdug> warcraft, on the other hand, works perfect in wine
[09:09] <pen> digdug: you sure? one of my friends using ventrilo I think..
[09:10] <prometheanfire> I run windows in a vm for ventrillo
[09:10] <Acky> ventrilo works in linux under WINE just fine
[09:10] <scopecreep> teamspeak has linux binaries i believe
[09:10] <Acky> as i have my own server
[09:10] <digdug> well, ventrilo is a little weird in wine
[09:10] <dr_willis> at one time ventrillo did not work with wine... but i dont keep up with it.
[09:10] <dr_willis> :)
[09:10] <dr_willis> and teamspeak has linux native binaries.. yes
[09:10] <digdug> you can listen, but to talk, the window has to be in focus
[09:11] <scopecreep> im too busy dotting people to talk too much.  skillcoil.  gg.
[09:11] <scopecreep> ahem sorry
[09:11] <dr_willis> I get burnt out on MMORPG's too easially...
[09:11] <pen> do you guys know why my front speaker will also sound if I plug my headphone in before X starts?
[09:12] <prometheanfire> nope
[09:12] <digdug> a version of ubuntu from 2007 did that to me, even after x started, but no idea why
[09:12] <pen> it's annoying
[09:12] <pen> I can't tell most of the time
[09:13] <dr_willis> I would have to guess its a alsa/pulse issue.
[09:13] <pen> and people would complain about my music being too loud :)
[09:13] <pen> maybe
[09:13] <digdug> I had to manually go in and disable/enable which speakers I wanted to use at the time
[09:13] <pen> or hotplug issue?
[09:13] <dr_willis> gotta have the heaphones in BEFOR X starts.. or ya get sound of headphones and front speakers eh?
[09:13] <pen> no
[09:13] <digdug> works perfect for me now with 8.10
[09:13] <pen> quite the opposite
[09:13] <pen> if I have my headphone before X starts
[09:14] <pen> digdug: you mean autodetection?
[09:14] <digdug> yeah, it will autodetect when I plug my headphones in
[09:14] <digdug> and I'm pretty sure I can leave them plugged in through a reboot and not have a problem
[09:15] <digdug> though, thinking about it, I'm not sure I've actually tried that; I normally don't leave them plugged in unless I'm playing
[09:15] <pen> digdug: how about plug in before X starts?
[09:15] <digdug> that's what I mean, I'm not sure I've tried that
[09:16] <pen> digdug: you can try later
[09:16] <digdug> brb
[09:16] <pen> digdug: k
[09:16] <pen> btw, 8.10 flash-nonfree supports 64biit !!!
[09:16] <pen> cool
[09:16] <scopecreep> yep, flash was the nail in vistas coffin for me
[09:16] <Jordan_U> pen: Didn't it in hardy as well?
[09:16] <pen> I don't know
[09:17] <pen> this is my first time in 64 bit
[09:17] <pen> but
[09:17] <pen> I remember
[09:17] <scopecreep> didnt for me "easily" in hardy
[09:17] <pen> people always complain about installing flash in 64 bit
[09:17] <pen> yea
[09:17] <pen> that's what I'm saying
[09:17] <pen> adobe didn't release 64 bit version of flash
[09:17] <petererer> it worked for me
[09:17] <kulight> no they didnt
[09:17] <Jordan_U> scopecreep: I could've sworn that in hardy it would setup nspluginwrapper automatically if you installed via the package manager
[09:18] <pen> kulight: what do you mean?
[09:18] <scopecreep> Jordan_U, It very well might have, but it together with no network port made hardy a pain for me, so i kinda skipped it
[09:18] <prometheanfire> anyone know why when I load X my screen blanks out (I can still control stuff but not see anything, even when pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1-6)
[09:19] <kulight> pen: adobe did no release 64bit version ( i thought u asked )
[09:19] <digdug> yeah, sound played in just the headphones
[09:19] <Jordan_U> I'm just amazed at how stable flash 10 final is. I have only encountered one site that it doesn't work with ( no crashes so far ) and it turns out that sight doesn't work with flash 10 on windows either, is it possible the linux version of flash has reached bug parody with windows ;)
[09:19] <pen> kulight: yes I know
[09:19] <scopecreep> so if i have a directory on another linux box i want to share to my network (all linux) should i use samba or nfs?
[09:19] <pen> digdug: hm, maybe the new Xorg fixed that too
[09:19] <prometheanfire> it is with the nvidia driver
[09:20] <Jordan_U> prometheanfire: Before or after logging in at the GDM?
[09:20] <kulight> but the flash 64bir takes allot of cpu power
[09:20] <pen> prometheanfire: load X? are you in ubuntu now?
[09:20] <pen> kulight: really? it didn't for me. I'm watching youtube video
[09:20] <prometheanfire> Jordan_U before
[09:20] <prometheanfire> I am
[09:20] <kulight> you tube is fine but try speedtest.net
[09:21] <Jordan_U> pen: BTW, totem has a youtube browser so you don't need flash for youtube :)
[09:21] <petererer> flash on linux takes a lot of cpu power anyway
[09:21] <petererer> makes things like speedtest.net require a fast computer...
[09:22] <kulight> yes thats not nice from adobe
[09:22] <pen> kulight: a little bit CPU
[09:22] <pen> kulight: to like 60% average
[09:22] <Dedi> yeah are there any news on a native 64bit flash plugin?
[09:22] <kulight> thats allot
[09:22] <pen> Jordan_U: yea, I know that, isn't that cool?
[09:22] <prometheanfire> 60% with flash 10?
[09:22] <pen> yea
[09:22] <pen> when running tests
[09:23] <kulight> its crazy amount for nothing
[09:23] <Dedi> adobe sux
[09:23] <pen> at least it's working
[09:23] <pen> I don't go to speedtest everyday
[09:23] <kulight> well maybe but there is nothing else
[09:24] <Acksaw1> hey guys, i've set my theme to dark room but I still need to change the taskbar and such as they havent changed, i heard you have tio change something else for that but i cant find the option?#]
[09:24] <Jordan_U> kulight: Just because it's not displaying fancy animations doesn't mean it's doing "nothing".
[09:24] <prometheanfire> all it should be doing is downloading a file an timing it
[09:24] <dr_willis> its calculating the largest prime in the background. :)
[09:25] <kulight> Jordan_U: well just showing a page is not soposed to be cpu killer
[09:25] <Jordan_U> prometheanfire: Not sure what it does, but if that's it then flash is overkill, it should just use javascript
[09:25] <pen> kulight: probably there is a bug in file transfer?
[09:26] <kulight> pen: it even if im not doing the test and it ok on XP
[09:26] <Acksaw1> how do i get the nvidia driver? Everytime i try to get it via desktop effects it says they cannot be enabled, it seems to try to download the driver
[09:26] <Jordan_U> Acksaw1: Do you have an older nvidia card?
[09:26] <pen> Acksaw1: update your other packages first
[09:26] <dr_willis> Acksaw1,  some of the servers are having heavy load  at this time.. do a update/upgrade and try agian also. may help
[09:27] <pen> dr_willis: that's what I did
[09:27] <pen> and it works
[09:27] <dr_willis> new install.. and had 100+mb of updates
[09:27] <dr_willis> :)
[09:27] <pen> yea
[09:27] <pen> there is not enough updates
[09:28] <Acksaw1> dr_willis:  while you're there how do i finish changing to dark room as ive set it buts its not down the taskbars
[09:28] <kulight> dr_willis: yesterday there was allot of updates
[09:28] <scopecreep> is there a way to schedule transmission to come on when i sleep?  would i use cron for that?
[09:28] <pen> Acksaw1: try dust, it's better
[09:28] <digdug> openjdk won't update because of a ca-certificates-java dependency
[09:28] <dr_willis> Acksaw1,  never noticed.. let me look
[09:28] <Acksaw1> ill show you whats happening
[09:29] <pen> Acksaw1: dust with gnome-colors icon it's a perfect combination
[09:29] <Dedi> hm kde4 zoom looks soo ugly compared with gnome zoom
[09:29] <pen> digdug: then don't use that. Install sun java
[09:29] <Jordan_U> digdug: Apparently a new ca-certificates-java is in the que
[09:29] <dr_willis> darkroom theme - dosent seem to set the proper window decorations either.
[09:29] <Jordan_U> digdug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/287941
[09:30] <kulight> !sun java
[09:30] <pen> dr_willis: I don't understand why don't include dust
[09:30] <digdug> it's okay, I don't run anything in java, just being a little ocd when apt-get tells me it can't update something
[09:30] <dr_willis> I just set up Darkroom theme, with dust window decor. and it looks nice. :)
[09:31] <dr_willis> neither seemto set the panel colors
[09:31] <pen> dr_willis: the default panel bg is good too
[09:32] <kulight> what is the devs channel i need to find out about a bug ?
[09:32] <dr_willis> I am vnc'd in. so the gnome-settings-deamon isent quite working right.. that may be my issue
[09:32] <yamas> I have an issue with ibex, I am running on a macbook in the bootcamp partition. When I first installed it all worked perfectly but now I am at home and have changed wifi networkwork, I boot up, it asks for the WEP which I provide. Then it asks for a password for the keychain, if I type it does not appear in the window, it does log me on correctly though. The keychain window stays active and I cannot close it!?
[09:33] <kulight> !dev
[09:33] <kulight> !dev channel
[09:33] <rvalles> kdm doesn't start. It complains: Not starting K Display Manager (kdm); it is not the default display manager.
[09:33] <rvalles> how do I set it as the default dm?
[09:33] <pen> ubuntu-bugs
[09:33] <pen> I think
[09:34] <pen> !bug
[09:34] <dr_willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm         --> rvalles
[09:34] <pen> rvalles: why kdm?
[09:34] <pen> rvalles: gdm is good too
[09:34] <rvalles> thanks
[09:34] <rvalles> pen: why gdm?
[09:34] <rvalles> pen: kdm is good too
[09:35] <Acksaw1> pdigin sucks for IRC
[09:35] <rvalles> it's my bro's laptop... he had kdm, and upgrading fux0red it like this (still kdm in init.d, but gdm suddently set)
[09:35] <rvalles> probably a bug
[09:35] <dr_willis> it seems kdm and gdm have started playing niceer together also.. used to be that if you used gdm to login to kde. you had some issues with the logout fetures. but i dident notice that under 8.10
[09:35] <Jordan_U> dr_willis: dark room sets the pannel background for me
[09:35] <rvalles> I knew something was going to fail... it would have been the first upgrade that actually just worked.
[09:35] <Acksaw1> dr_willis:  did you try darkroom? i cant upoload a screenie, taking ages
[09:35] <dr_willis> Jordan_U,  may be my gnome-settings-deamon.  I keep getting an arror about it.
[09:36] <dr_willis> gnome-art just crashed. :(
[09:36] <Hobbsee> kulight: what bug?
[09:37] <Acksaw1> dr_willis:  http://i38.tinypic.com/4qn4o5.png
[09:38] <Acksaw1> everything else has cahnge apart from the 2 bars
[09:38] <kulight> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262066
[09:39] <pen> dr_willis: hm
[09:39] <Hobbsee> kulight: what about it?
[09:39] <kulight> i would do it myself if i knew how
[09:39] <yamas> Is there any way of closing the keychain app which is running in the background following a bug and stopping me installing anything else?
[09:39] <joaopinto> hi, is the latest openjdk-6-jre upgrade supposed to work :P ?
[09:39] <Hobbsee> joaopinto: one hopes so..
[09:40] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/287941
[09:40] <joaopinto> ah ok, it's known, tks :)
[09:40] <kulight> they marked it as fixed but it only partialy fixed as my and a few more laptops still suffer from this
[09:40] <Acksaw1> can anyone help with this: http://i38.tinypic.com/4qn4o5.png
[09:41] <Hobbsee> kulight: leann is a kernel person, and will deal with it.
[09:41] <pen> Acksaw1: you have to change the panel background
[09:41] <Hobbsee> might only be in -updates, though.
[09:41] <kulight> Hobbsee: i hope so thank you
[09:41] <Acksaw1> pen:  how do i go about that?
[09:42] <nikolam> joaopinto, I would like to take part in getdeb. Also I am interested in contiuation of making packages for 8.04LTS, after 8.10 release. I am using 64-bit Xubuntu. how do I join,leark of package making and support 8.04 further?
[09:42] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, on the bug report no one acknowledged the bug, they just point to a 3rd party ppa for the cause
[09:43] <zyrorl> anyone here got xwinwrap working in intrepid?
[09:43] <joaopinto> nikolam, #getdeb please
[09:43] <nikolam> ok :)
[09:43] <zyrorl> says here it can't find desktop window?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> hrm, that openjdk looks like a bug.
[09:43] <pen> Acksaw1: right click the panel and select property
[09:44] <pen> Acksaw1: background tab
[09:44] <Acksaw1> great
[09:44] <Acksaw1> gotit working
[09:44] <Acksaw1> =]
[09:44] <Acksaw1> thanks matey
[09:44] <pen> Acksaw1: show us the screeny again :)
[09:44] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: But he mentioned that the solution was a "new ca-certificates-java currently in the upload queue." I assume that the upload cue is for intrepid main rather than the ppa
[09:44] <Acksaw1> sec
[09:44] <Acksaw1> i need to reboot but i will
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: he's on crack.  there'snothing like that in hte queue.
[09:46] <joaopinto> well, he refers to openjdk's ppa, so clearly there is a lack of understanding that the problem is within the official repository
[09:46] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee: Oh, that's probably pretty critical then with java being in the release page :)
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: well, i'm trying to nominate it, but launchpad's being a POS again.
[09:49] <Acksaw1> pen: almost got the screenie upload
[09:49] <pen> k
[09:49] <pen> :D
[09:50] <joaopinto> breaking the JRE during RC is not good
[09:51] <Acksaw1> pen: http://i35.tinypic.com/2s7uqna.png
[09:51] <joaopinto> aren't the changes now limited to major problems with hard testing requirements ?
[09:52] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: On top of that ath5k is *completely missing* from the latest kernel
[09:53] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, that was a decision, unlike the broken JRE, I hope :P
[09:53] <Hobbsee> joaopinto: yeah, pretty much.  doko keeps uploading at leats 1 a day, for some reason....
[09:54] <joaopinto> According to the bug description, ath5k had stability issues
[09:56] <htrejh> hi, i tried intrepid RC, and i see that in the gnome menus the ">" are huge, can you change this? it's ugly
[09:56] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: Ahh, surprised they decided that so late but I'm glad it was an actual decision
[09:56] <joaopinto> so erm, how does a package get's into the repos, without being installed ?, or someone forgot to upload the ca-certificates-java ?
[09:56] <pen> Acksaw1: nice
[09:57] <Hobbsee> joaopinto: he's done the circular dependancy by accident.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> actually, i'ts possible that he's uploaded another one, but it ahsn't hit the queue yet
[09:57] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee: Is it really the circular dependency that's the problem?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: looks like it to me.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: that and launcphad has fallen over again.
[09:58] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, The ath5k change, bug 288148
[09:59] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee: I thought apt could deal with circular dependencies, but "openjdk-6-jre-headless: Depends: ca-certificates-java (>= 20080712ubuntu1) but 20080712 is to be installed" Does seem to imply that it can't
[10:00]  * Jordan_U needs to get some sleep
[10:00] <Hobbsee> hmm, well, there's certainly an updated version there
[10:01] <Hobbsee> which needs to build.
[10:02] <Acksaw1> how do i go about getting songbird installed?
[10:03] <pen> Acksaw1: just go to their website
[10:03] <pen> Acksaw1: you should know where to find the instructions right?
[10:03] <dr_willis> thats what uve always done for songbird.
[10:03] <Acksaw1> im an ubuntu noob mate
[10:03] <Acksaw1> :D
[10:03] <dr_willis> I instgall it for my single user.
[10:03] <dr_willis> !info songbird
[10:04] <pen> Acksaw1: most of the time if you want to install something, go to their website
[10:04] <pen> Acksaw1: if the package is not in the repo
[10:04] <Acksaw1> i downloaded a tar.gz from their site which i know is an arcxhive
[10:04] <pen> or the version is out of date
[10:04] <Acksaw1> but it said it couldnt open it
[10:04] <pen> you should find a deb or repo right?
[10:04] <Acksaw1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[10:04] <Acksaw1> doing that ATM
[10:04] <dr_willis> 1) check repos.. :) 2) check medibuntu,  3) check programs homepage.,  4) check ppa, 5) if all else fails use source. :)
[10:05] <Acksaw1> i dont even know how to get to the repos ;)
[10:05] <Acksaw1> ive installed it now anyways
[10:05] <dr_willis> !repo
[10:06] <pen> source is usually the last resort
[10:06] <pen> or if you have special needs
[10:07] <pen> hi
[10:07] <pen> now I'm in irssi
[10:07] <joaopinto> Acksaw, there is a songbird package on getdeb, but for hardy, it may work on intrepid
[10:07] <petererer> hmm, where is pulseaudio started in intrepid?
[10:07] <pen> a little bit lag
[10:07] <methods> when does it come out?
[10:07] <pen> what music player do most of you guys use?
[10:08] <methods> i thought today was the release ?
[10:08] <DistroJockey> petererer, sysvconfig will let you enable/disable pulseaudio if that what you need
[10:09] <pen> methods: no, we are only in RC
[10:09] <DistroJockey> methods, check the homepage
[10:09] <petererer> well, in /etc/default/pulseaudio, it's not set to start
[10:09] <petererer> hmm
[10:09] <methods> the new network manager supports evdo right?
[10:09] <methods> is there anyway i can upgrade my network manager only?
[10:10] <rvalles> I also have this problem with stable ubuntu... cpufreq won't select the fast speed, even if set to performance governor, not even if forcing with cpufreq-set -g
[10:10] <rvalles> err, -f
[10:10] <rvalles> is there any way to disable it completelly? (so that ubuntu doesn't load it during boot)
[10:10] <rvalles> I suspect it's just the laptop bios that is somehow wrong.
[10:11] <petererer> in hardy, gnome-power-manager has cpufreq support
[10:11] <pen> rvalles: maybe it's because you enable laptop-mode?
[10:12] <methods> hm 5 days
[10:12] <Wutz> Hi, my metacity icons (Minimize, Close, Maximize) got switched from right to left after installing a theme, this is really annoying and I can't find out how to switch them back.
[10:12] <methods> is there anyway for me to install the new network manager?
[10:13] <dr_willis> not without doing a full update/upgrade you mean methods ?
[10:13] <methods> yes
[10:13] <dr_willis> I doubt it
[10:14] <pen> Wutz: what theme?
[10:15] <Wutz> mac4lin
[10:15] <joaopinto> methods, https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[10:15] <pen> Wutz: is it emerald?
[10:15] <Wutz> although i changed it back from it
[10:15] <Wutz> no
[10:15] <Wutz> the icons are still on the left side
[10:15] <pen> Wutz: are you sure it's not emerald? I'm just want to make sure you got it right
[10:16] <Wutz> it was not emerald
[10:16] <dr_willis> right to left? You mean the icons now auto-allign on the left side?
[10:16] <Wutz> yes
[10:16] <pen> hm
[10:16] <Wutz> all metacity themes do it too
[10:17] <pen> Wutz: maybe it's configured that way??
[10:17] <pen> Wutz: try other window border
[10:17] <dr_willis> Ive mever  noticed any themes affecting that.. actually  i dont recall any settings affecting that...
[10:17] <Wutz> by window border do you mean theme?
[10:18] <dr_willis> window borders are one part of a theme.
[10:18] <dr_willis> window 'decoration'
[10:18] <Wutz> the metacity theme?
[10:18] <pen> yea
[10:18] <pen> you should be able to change that in appearance
[10:18] <Wutz> i've tried switching
[10:18] <dr_willis> metacity controlls the window decorations. :) yes..
[10:18] <Wutz> even the default ubuntu one is at the left
[10:19] <dr_willis> I dont recall ever seeing them on the right.
[10:19] <Wutz> maybe i upload a pic?
[10:19] <pen> yea
[10:20] <Wutz> ok 1 min
[10:20] <rvalles> pen: no
[10:20] <rvalles> it's kernel related
[10:21] <rvalles> I need to boot without cpufreq. Is it possible?
[10:21] <rvalles> I know I can just delete the cpufreq kernel modules
[10:21] <rvalles> but each time there's a kernel upgrade, I'll have the same problem
[10:22] <rvalles> is there any other way to just disable cpufreq completelly?
[10:22] <marlun> I'm having problems with nvidia-settings. When I try to add an external screen (I'm on a laptop) and save the settings nvidia-settings quits with a segmentation fault.
[10:22] <dr_willis> Wutz,  perhaps this will help --> http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=937095
[10:22] <joaopinto> rvalles, if it's a module you can black list it
[10:22] <dr_willis> they sort of say.. uncheck keep aligned.. drag them over.. then recheck keep aligned
[10:24] <DistroJockey> rvalles, is powernowd related?
[10:24] <rvalles> DistroJockey: no
[10:24] <DistroJockey> rvalles, k
[10:24] <aatk> Has anyone had any problems with their wireless in intrepid? For some reason, in gnome, nm-applet connect to it fine, but using a different wm/the console and using ifconfig iwconfig and dhclient, I seem to be unable to get leases...
[10:24] <rvalles> DistroJockey: policy is performance, cpu stays at the slow speed
[10:24] <aatk> connects*
[10:25] <rvalles> DistroJockey: and the max in /sys/whatever *can't* be set to the fast speed
[10:25] <Wutz> http://www.freewebs.com/shad0clan/Untitled.jpg - it shows on the top left that the icons are infact on the left
[10:25] <DistroJockey> rvalles, just looking in  sysvconfig  to see what can be disabled
[10:25] <rvalles> DistroJockey: thanks
[10:25] <rvalles> DistroJockey: but I don't think it'd help
[10:25] <rvalles> cpufreq autoloads on startup
[10:25] <DistroJockey> rvalles, nope
[10:26] <rvalles> the modules autoload, that is
[10:26] <rvalles> and the moment they load, it sticks to 800MHz and will never be 1600 again
[10:26] <dr_willis> Wutz,  ahh.,. youmean the window decoration 'widgets' :)
[10:27] <Wutz> What ever it is, i just it back to the right
[10:27] <rvalles> I've added it to blacklist
[10:27] <rvalles> I'll see if that works
[10:27] <rvalles> :/
[10:27] <dr_willis> Wutz,  I still have to wonder if you are not using compiz instead of metacity.. try running 'metacity --replace'
[10:28] <Wutz> typed that and nothing happened
[10:28] <Wutz> compiz isnt enabled
[10:29] <dr_willis> Ive never seen a metacity theme that moved those controlls.
[10:30] <Wutz> Sorry, got d/ced
[10:30] <Wutz> Is there anyway to change this?
[10:30] <dr_willis> Hmm.. guess it is some setting.. I see some os-x themes that do have them on the left.
[10:31] <dr_willis> You could just go hard-core and delete all your gnome settings to get back to Ubuntu defaults
[10:31] <dr_willis> but you may loose your customazations
[10:31] <Wutz> oh hmm
[10:32] <Wutz> if this changed a setting
[10:32] <dr_willis> You used mac4lin correct?
[10:32] <Wutz> then there must be a command within that theme which changed it, so maybe i can find it and see what it changed
[10:32] <Wutz> yes
[10:33] <dr_willis> http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac
[10:33] <Wutz> think i found it
[10:33] <dr_willis> Now navigate to: apps>metacity>general. On the right double click 'button_layout'. Delete that & type: 'close,minimize,maxmize:menu' (without quotes). Press OK and then quit. The buttons will now be on the left side of titlebar
[10:34] <dr_willis> aparently they do move the layout :) in that guide
[10:34] <Wutz> yeap, i found this in the theme too gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string "close,minimize,maximize:menu"
[10:34] <dr_willis> To restore the original layout, just replace the string by 'menu:minimize,maximize,close'.
[10:35] <dr_willis> gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string  'menu:minimize,maximize,close'
[10:35] <Wutz> that did it
[10:35] <Wutz> back to normal, thanks
[10:35] <dr_willis> It pays to read the guides. :)
[10:36] <dr_willis> we just LOVE gnome and its windows-regiestry-like gconf stuff :)
[10:36] <Wutz> sometimes i'd rather shoot myself. =D
[10:37] <afflux> do we? sounds interesting ;)
[10:37]  * dr_willis backups/compresses/cleans/sweeps his regiestry
[10:37] <zyrorl> anyone has xwinwrap working in intrepid?
[10:37] <dr_willis> !info xwinwrap
[10:37] <dr_willis> never heard of it.
[10:38] <afflux> me either
[10:38] <DistroJockey> heard of it but don't use it
[10:38] <zyrorl> basically wraps windows/screensavers/videos (in vlc/mplayer) as backgrounds on your desktop
[10:38] <dr_willis> gnome the :'we cant let users change those settings! it will confuse them' :  desktop
[10:38] <zyrorl> so you can have an animated desktop
[10:38] <dr_willis> sounds... err... silly. :)
[10:39] <zyrorl> not overly:P
[10:39] <dr_willis> sounds like its just taking mplayer and setting it below all,  borderless.
[10:39] <zyrorl> not just mplayer
[10:39] <zyrorl> any executable afaik
[10:39] <dr_willis> then again.. MY vidoes are in the 2nd monitor,
[10:39] <zyrorl> like
[10:39] <Wutz> speaking of which, has anyone else gotten bad video tearing in linux?
[10:39] <dr_willis> Im suprised theres not a compiz plugin for that.
[10:39] <zyrorl> ie. you could have glmatrix running in the background:P
[10:40] <dr_willis> Wutz,  depends on the video and the drivers.. and the player. i find.
[10:40] <Smegzor> I've upgraded to intrepid, but it had a problem with python-simplejson.    http://pastebin.com/d21b50d27   How should I fix it?
[10:40] <Wutz> all players do it for me, and i've tried a nvidia card and ati card
[10:40] <zyrorl> i think the biggest little annoyance i have right now is network-manager-pptp being broken on intrepid
[10:40] <zyrorl> wont read passwords saved in keyring properly
[10:41] <zyrorl> so you have to not save a password and type it in everytime you want to vpn in
[10:41] <zyrorl> its been reported though...
[10:41] <zyrorl> but no one's fixed it for weeks.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> which #?
[10:43] <kulight> Smegzor: sudo apt-get install -f might work
[10:44] <Smegzor> ok i'll try that
[10:44] <Smegzor> kulight: nah it has the same problem
[10:46] <Smegzor> reading the pastebin, its some sort of clash with lanshark.  not sure if thats a package I installed, but its about to be removed if it is.
[10:47] <kulight> !lanshark
[10:48] <kulight> lan shark is a program for lan analysis so you can remove it
[10:48] <Smegzor> it was a deb I got from getdeb
[10:48] <Hobbsee> well...
[10:48] <Hobbsee> i thought they said to remove any of their packages before upgrading.
[10:48] <Smegzor> its unable to be removed either atm.  I'm now trying to remove the packages that are tripping it up (fusion-icon mainly)
[10:49] <kulight> just remove it fix the problem and if you need it install it again
[10:50] <Smegzor> it looks like I have succeeded removing stuff at least.
[10:51] <kulight> now try the install -f command
[10:53] <Smegzor> all fixed :D
[10:53] <pen> hi
[10:53] <kulight> Smegzor: very good
[10:54] <gaelfx> can you add a guest account to the login list? I thought I remember reading that somewhere
[10:54] <Smegzor> should I still uninstall all the stuff I've added from getdeb etc?  Right now I have no problems.
[10:55] <soulnafein> hello guys I got a problem with 8.10 rc
[10:55] <krzd> hi
[10:55] <soulnafein> is this the right place?
[10:55] <pen> gaelfx: try go to login window under menu system|administration
[10:55] <krzd> why can't i pre-order ubuntu 8.10 as a 64bits edition?
[10:55] <pen> soulnafein: read the topic
[10:55] <pen> !topic | soulnafein
[10:55] <kulight> if u r not using it its better off than on
[10:56] <soulnafein> i've upgrade my 8.04 to 8.10 yesterday
[10:57] <soulnafein> I'm one of the lucky guys that has an integrated intel ethernet card
[10:57] <soulnafein> connection doesn't work although I don't think I broke it. I started my pc with 8.04 live cd and it worked
[10:58] <soulnafein> any help?
[10:58] <pen> soulnafein: can't connect?
[10:59] <soulnafein> yes
[11:00] <soulnafein> since the upgrade I can't connect
[11:00] <gaelfx> gah, every time I try to use any of the airport-utils scripts, they just freeze, anyone else had this problem?
[11:02] <afflux> anyone knows why shipit does not offer amd64 desktop images?
[11:02] <afflux> (or know where to ask better..)
[11:03] <wgrant> Because they decided it wasn't worth it, I would posit.
[11:03] <soulnafein> anyone knows why my ethernet card stopped working (it is recognised but it can't connect) or what log I should read for more info?
[11:04] <gaelfx> soulnafein: try ipconfig in terminal to see if you card is recognized by nm
[11:04] <wgrant> gaelfx: We are not Windows NT. You mean ifconfig?
[11:04] <gaelfx> er....maybe?
[11:04] <gaelfx> yeah
[11:05] <soulnafein> it is recognised
[11:05] <soulnafein> gaelfx: it is recognised as eth0
[11:05] <afflux> wgrant: hm, a pity
[11:06] <soulnafein> any other suggestion? Does nm keep a log somewhere?
[11:07] <gaelfx> soulnafein: well, is wired connection enabled?
[11:07] <soulnafein> yes when I try to connect using auto eh0
[11:07] <soulnafein> it tries for a while and then
[11:07] <soulnafein> it says it can't connect
[11:08] <krzd> bye
[11:08] <gaelfx> soulnafein: well, that should print something to syslog
[11:08] <soulnafein> dmesg?
[11:09] <gaelfx> soulnafein: not sure if dmesg would have anything in it, but give it a look
[11:09] <rvalles> blacklisting powernow-k8 did _not_ help
[11:09] <soulnafein> nothing in it
[11:09] <rvalles> module still loads
[11:09] <soulnafein> where is syslog
[11:09] <rvalles> and cpu is still stuck at 800MHz
[11:09] <rvalles> I need a way to disable cpufreq entirelly. For its kernel modules to _never_ load.
[11:10] <dr_willis> blacklist the modules perhaps
[11:10] <rvalles> dr_willis: I did tht
[11:10] <soulnafein> gaelfx: how to I read syslog?
[11:10] <gaelfx> soulnafein: just try dmesg | grep eth
[11:10] <soulnafein> gaelfx: thanks
[11:10] <rvalles> dr_willis: it does _not_ help.
[11:10] <gaelfx> syslog is viewable under System-> Administration
[11:10] <rvalles> blacklist powernow_k8
[11:11] <rvalles> dr_willis: lsmod|grep powernow shows how it loaded, again, even tho blacklisted.
[11:11] <soulnafein> gaelfx: it doesn't say much, unfortunately I can't paste :)
[11:11] <gaelfx> !paste
[11:11] <predator363> when i try to load video in youtube all i see is a grey square no sound no vid what do i do?
[11:11] <soulnafein> gaelfx: it's on another pc
[11:11] <soulnafein> gaelfx: without internet...
[11:12] <soulnafein> gaelfx: or network connection, I'll get the usb key
[11:12] <soulnafein> :D
[11:12] <gaelfx> well, give us the gist of what it says
[11:13] <soulnafein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62438/
[11:15] <gaelfx> soulnafein: that looks like it's connected? did you check syslog?
[11:15] <soulnafein> gaelfx: no, how do I access to syslog?
[11:15] <rvalles> I need a way to disable cpufreq entirelly. Blacklisting the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist does not work.
[11:15] <afflux> soulnafein: /var/log/syslog
[11:15] <gaelfx> soulnafein: System->Administration->System Log
[11:16] <dr_willis> rvalles,  i wonder if apci=off would have any effect on that.
[11:16] <soulnafein> gaelfx: checking
[11:16] <rvalles> dr_willis: no, but I certainly know it'd screw dual-core.
[11:16] <dr_willis> :)
[11:16] <dr_willis> never noticed it affecting my laptop..but  that was on a test live cd..
[11:17] <soulnafein> gaelfx: Syslog seems interesting, I'll paste the last part when I try a connection
[11:17] <gaelfx> soulnafein: ok, waiting
[11:19] <soulnafein> just a sec :)
[11:20] <soulnafein> gaelfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62441/
[11:22] <soulnafein> i
[11:22] <soulnafein> it seems that DHCP doesn't work
[11:23] <gaelfx> soulnafein: yeah, that
[11:23] <gaelfx> 'ss what it looks llike
[11:23] <afflux> actually, it does work
[11:23] <afflux> but nm does not see it
[11:23] <afflux> (for whatever reason)
[11:23] <soulnafein> I see
[11:23] <soulnafein> so you reckong is a nm problem?
[11:23] <gaelfx> soulnafein: I think this is a little bit above my peg rate
[11:24] <soulnafein> :)
[11:24] <gaelfx> and I really need to go
[11:24] <soulnafein> gaelfx: no prob, thanks very much
[11:24] <gaelfx> but I hope that now you have a better idea of what's wrong
[11:24] <soulnafein> does nm have an irc channel?
[11:24] <gaelfx> good luck!
[11:26] <soulnafein> afflux: found something
[11:26] <soulnafein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/262817
[11:27] <afflux> soulnafein: I don't think that's the issue. You would have some dbus message in the syslog then
[11:27] <soulnafein> afflux: I see
[11:30] <soulnafein> afflux: this is more relevant http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=674178
[11:31] <DaveTarmac> morning folks
[11:31] <DaveTarmac> anyone had problems with sound output not working?
[11:32] <DaveTarmac> in the sound setup, Pulseaudio is selected and the test works, but no other sound appears to want to play
[11:34] <soulnafein> DaveTarmac: do you have more than 1 sound card?
[11:37] <DaveTarmac> nope - just the onboard one
[11:37] <DaveTarmac> sorry - wrong system :s
[11:37] <DaveTarmac> yes, I do
[11:38] <rconan> which package(s) contain the modules for systemsettings?
[11:38] <rconan> I need the one which has the colours section under appearance
[11:39] <afflux> that should gnome-control-center
[11:39] <rconan> afflux, systemsettings is the kde settings thing...
[11:39] <DaveTarmac> soulnafein: yes, I do have more than 1 sound card in - I think I need to add a line to a file, but I can't remember what and where
[11:39] <afflux> rconan: kcontrol maybe?
[11:40] <rconan> kcontrol doesn't exist anymore, it has been replaced by systemsettings, but installing systemsettings doesn't install all of the modules
[11:40] <rconan> i want to know where the modules live
[11:41] <afflux> ah that's beyond my knowledge, sorry
[11:42] <afflux> (huh, a package called systemsettings, now *that's* a source of confusion, isn't it?
[11:43] <rconan> indeed, kcontrol was a much more informing name
[11:44] <afflux> at least, you knew where it belonged to
[11:44] <zeco> hi, can someone tell me whether something has changed for getting a wireless card to work using ndiswrapper in intrepid? My ndiswrapper lists the driver but modprobe ndiswrapper doesn't give me the wlan0 interface
[11:46] <DaveTarmac> ok, soulnafein appears to be AFK at the moment, can anyone enlighten me as to how I edit settings so I have sound coming out of my speakers in the OS, and not just on the Sound Setting test?
[11:48] <soulnafein> DaveTarmac: hello again sorry I was adk
[11:48] <soulnafein> afk
[11:49] <DaveTarmac> no worries soulnafein
[11:49] <soulnafein> DaveTarmac: I had a similar problem (2 sounds card)... although I didn't need one (the one integrated on mainboard) so I disabled it from the bios
[11:49] <soulnafein> :)
[11:49] <soulnafein> I'm sure there is a better way but that worked
[11:49] <soulnafein> hehehe
[11:50] <DaveTarmac> fair enough, soulnafein. Next time I reboot I'll disable it
[11:50] <soulnafein> ;)
[11:53] <lwolf> hi
[11:54] <lwolf> i'm currently using intrepid, and i can not focus windows using mouse click
[11:55] <botanicus> Hi there. I have problem with keyboard, after upgrade to 8.10, the
[11:55] <botanicus> 	    keyboard and mouse do not work in gnome at all. Touchpad works. I
[11:55] <botanicus> 	    can switch to console, so drivers are OK, just some bug in
[11:55] <botanicus> 	    Gnome. Any ideas?
[11:55] <botanicus> BTW I found
[11:55] <botanicus> 	    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/59616 ... there
[11:55] <botanicus> 	    something 'bout accessibility settings, but it do not work for me
[12:00] <botanicus> ubottu: Yep, actually I know how Google works ;) BUT 1) it's nothing with GDM, start throught startx has the issue as well 2) I do not have enabled accessibility
[12:09] <dr_willis> heh heh...
[12:11] <dr_willis> botanicus,  was this a upgrade? or clean install?
[12:12] <comicinker> Latest kernel update broke my atheros WLan. known bug?
[12:13] <botanicus> dr_willis: upgrade
[12:13] <botanicus> dr_willis: upgrade was OK, no errors, boot correctly, just this gnome issue
[12:13] <serengeti> hi, how can I connect to an lpr printer in intrepid? I can only choose LPT#1, AppSocket, SAMBA or "Other" type of connection in the New Printer dialog
[12:14] <dr_willis> botanicus,  i would try making a new user. seeif it works for them.. if so. then that points to it being some gnome setting issue
[12:14] <serengeti> there's an ubuntu question about that, but it remains unanswered: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/46169
[12:15] <botanicus> dr_willis: I've tried it already, new user + startx (so it's not GDM issue) and the same
[12:15] <dr_willis> you mean to say the new user has the same issues...
[12:15] <botanicus> yep
[12:15] <dr_willis> It works in GDM?
[12:15] <botanicus> no
[12:16] <dr_willis> Hmm.. ok how about another little test.. install a small window manager, like icewm and see if it works for either user in that.
[12:16] <erle-> is there ooo3 in intrepid? (maybe in some extra repos)
[12:16] <dr_willis> trying to narrow it down. :)
[12:16] <dr_willis> botanicus,  lets just say that the upgrades ive done.. have not worked well.. clean installs have. :(
[12:19] <botanicus> dr_willis: exec openbox in .xinitrc is fine, is it? (Sorry for lame questions, actually I'm mac user and trying to setup ubuntu for my girlfriend)
[12:19] <DaveTarmac> that's an odd one - I just tried to access my Home Folder form the Places menu, and for some reason VLC started playing all the media on my desktop
[12:19] <DaveTarmac> anyone else had similar things?
[12:20] <dr_willis> botanicus,  testing any other wm would be a good test.. that way you can prove its a gnome issue even further.
[12:21] <dr_willis> botanicus,  in the .xinitrc you could try the follow ing 2 lines also..   xterm &    exec metacity
[12:21] <dr_willis> that would make a xterm. and use the metacity window manager.. see if it works in there...
[12:25] <botanicus> dr_willis: OK, do not work in clean openbox, so it must be X.org issue I guess
[12:25] <dr_willis> botanicus,  ahh.. now we are narrowing it down...
[12:26] <dr_willis> botanicus,  Hmm.. as a text.. we could move the xorg.conf file to xorg.conf_ORIGINAL, thus 'removing' the xorg.conf, and try starting X with no xorg.conf (thus making X rescan/reconfigure itself)
[12:26] <dr_willis> This is a normal keyboard? ps2/usb? not bluetooth?
[12:28] <botanicus> dr_willis: normal notebook kbd
[12:30] <botanicus> dr_willis: do not work nor when I move the xorg.conf
[12:32] <dr_willis> That is weird...
[12:32] <emilien> need help ubuntu ibex keeps chainging my filesystem to read only
[12:32] <emilien> done wih both my computer now xD
[12:32] <dr_willis> emilien,  check dmesg output.. it could be the drive/filesystem has some read errors.. so its beging remounted read only as a security/safty feature
[12:32] <botanicus> emilien: what do you have in /etc/fstab?
[12:35] <emilien> hmm looking at /etc/fstab   /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda1 are commented out
[12:35] <emilien> this normal ? should i un comment ?
[12:35] <dr_willis> are they external usb drives? internal?
[12:35] <dr_willis> what filesystem are they?
[12:36] <emilien> main internal ones
[12:37] <dr_willis> then i would think they should have proper fstab entries
[12:38] <emilien> can't change it read only file system
[12:39] <mastermolch> i tried to install kde-core on my new ubuntu 8.10 rc installation, but apt-get/synaptic say there is a conflict between version of this package and kdebase-workspace. is this a normal problem 5 days before the release date?
[12:40] <dr_willis> this is a normal problem for most relases ive 'watched' :)
[12:40] <dr_willis> seems every time i update/ugrade. an hr later theres more updates
[12:40] <mastermolch> ok, so i ll wait for a new version of this package :)
[12:40] <emilien> what do i do , i could boot live cd recover data , edit fstab from live cd ?
[12:41] <emilien> or can i remount ?
[12:41] <dr_willis> boot live cd. mount partitions manually.. do whatever you want..
[12:41] <dr_willis> what filesystem are the disks? these are your / partition? or just data?
[12:42] <emilien> the whole file system with all my data
[12:43] <dr_willis> it may be safest to be VERY paranoid.. and boot live cd. mount disk.. copy data to another fileserver/cd/drive/location
[12:44] <dr_willis> then i would fsck the patitions. and  see if they get fixed.
[12:45] <chowmeined> it seems my hard drive clicks every few seconds, is something wrong?
[12:45] <dr_willis> it may be in use.. it maybe going bad.. it may be getting that clickicking all the time due to powersettings problem..
[12:47] <emilien> trying recover mood not sure do anything
[12:47] <chowmeined> smart reports no errors, i ran seatools on it (from the dos diagnostics cd) and it said it was fine, it doesnt really sound like the regular in use clicking noise
[12:47] <chowmeined> its sounds more like unload/reload click
[12:47] <dr_willis> that sounds like that  'overly consertive power saving' issue that was a big deal last year.
[12:47] <chowmeined> i thought that only applied to APM systems
[12:48] <chowmeined> and even still, its on AC power
[12:48] <dr_willis> I thought it was the drive makers 'defaults' that the systems did not  override..
[12:48] <dr_willis> batter/ac dident matter. because it was the 'powersaving battery mode' that just showed the problem.. not the fact you were on batteries.
[12:49] <chowmeined> oh hmm
[12:49] <dr_willis> battery mode - let the drive use its 'defaults' which were overly conservitive in some models
[12:49] <dr_willis> the hdparm command could turn off the powersaving stuff...
[12:49] <dr_willis> but i lost those notes. :)
[12:51] <emilien> ok when im done running fsck , are there any comand to force remount file system ?
[12:53] <chowmeined> and there we go
[12:53] <chowmeined> dr_willis, strange behavior though
[12:54] <dr_willis> the filesystem must be Unmounted befor you fsck it.
[12:54] <dr_willis> then you can remountit
[12:55] <Runner85sx> helle. i'm using ubuntu8.10 nvidia-settings is chrashing while pressing the "Saving to X Configuration"-Button
[12:56] <Runner85sx> so what can i do?
[12:57] <predator363> wine has caused me to want to give up on linux completly and go back to windows
[12:57] <dr_willis> Do what you want predator363.
[12:58] <TheInfinity> predator363: so do so ...
[12:58] <dr_willis> unlike MS - we are not trying to'force' you into anything.
[12:58] <dr_willis> whichis oneof the big appeals of Linux.
[12:58] <emilien> which ever works best for you
[12:58] <Runner85sx> hey hey. please cool down.
[12:59] <Runner85sx> so what is with my problem? i changed from debian sid to ubuntu. and i don't really know what to do. cause kde3 not gnome
[12:59] <Runner85sx> *kde3 is not gnome
[13:00] <kiji> will openoffice 3 be in backports or only in the ppa?
[13:02] <predator363> you guys are real great linux fans lol
[13:02] <kiji> does pulseaudio work better in intrepid than in hardy? does rhythmbox and flash work together?
[13:02] <emilien> dr_willis:  ran fsck ,got to boot , get Hal error message when x starts any ideas ?
[13:02] <dr_willis> not really. did fsck show any problems/fix anything?
[13:03] <emilien> dr_willis:  no errors , seemed fine , however on fdisk said something about not end on cylinder boundary ?
[13:03] <TheInfinity> predator363: we just dont any OS as religion. thats all.
[13:03] <TheInfinity> dont *have
[13:04] <dr_willis> we leave the zelotry for the OS-X people
[13:04] <emilien> lol
[13:04] <TheInfinity> dr_willis: hey i use os-x and also dont have any religious feelings about it :p
[13:05] <predator363> 4 days and still cant get wine to work right
[13:05] <Runner85sx> hm
[13:05] <TheInfinity> predator363: if you use beta software it means it will be difficult ...
[13:05] <dr_willis> TheInfinity,  none that you want to admit in public...
[13:05] <dr_willis> :P
[13:05] <emilien> predator363:  look at playonlinux lot easy to set up also if you need to run wine maby on wrong os ?
[13:06] <dr_willis> wine has never been a guarentee
[13:06] <pal> why vmware report You cannot install on a system with KVM enabled?? What is KVM?
[13:06] <Runner85sx> i only can see: "Segmentation fault" in console when it chrashes
[13:07] <Raven_> i had never heard of playonlinux, this looks pleasant
[13:07] <Raven_> compared to installing through wine
[13:09] <EyesOfARaven> pal: kvm is a physical piece of hardware that lets you control more than one computer with the same keyboard/mouse/monitor
[13:09] <zeco1> can someone help me with ndiswrapper in Intrepid Ibex?
[13:09] <chowmeined> dr_willis, ok, got the unload issue dealt with
 so what I should to do to install vmware?
[13:10] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: i'm not an expert, but i might be able to help, what's the problem
[13:10] <chowmeined> dr_willis, do you know any tricks for fixing disk speed? disk performance right now is pretty slow, doing operations with apt lags out my system
[13:10] <EyesOfARaven> pal: i dont quite understand your question
[13:10] <wgrant> EyesOfARaven: KVM is a Linux virtualisation techhnology.
[13:11] <dr_willis> chowmeined,  perhaps some hdparm tweaks.. but othe rthen that.. ive never had issues
[13:11] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven: thx: I installed the proper driver in ndiswrapper and did modprobe ndiswprapper, but I don't get the wlan0-Interface
[13:11] <EyesOfARaven> wgrant: there's ANOTHER KVM? that's a confusing name then! my apologies for apparently misleading him
 When I execute vmware installation scrippt it reports " You canot install on a system with KVM enabled"
[13:11] <chowmeined> dr_willis, ive done a few tweaks, but haven't been able to improve it beyond 4.5MB/s
[13:11] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: do you see it in iwconfig?
[13:12] <EyesOfARaven> pal: you will likely need to disable KVM then, apparently it is also a linux virtualization technology
 I just want to install vmware
[13:12] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven; no, just the other interfaces (lo, eth0)
[13:12] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: i know this sounds trivial, but did you reboot?
[13:12] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven: of course ;)
[13:12] <EyesOfARaven> :D
 and how to do this, will it heart other components?
[13:13] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven: I'm on it since thursday (upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid RC. ndiswrapper was working in hardy)
[13:13] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: to my knowledge, this generally means that the driver didn't work properly, there may be something else you can do, but i'm not sure what - perhaps try madwifi if that's an option for you
[13:13] <EyesOfARaven> pal: i don't know - you should ask someone else about this, as i'm not familiar with it
[13:15] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: though it won't likely work, you could give ifconfig wlan0 up a try, see if the interface appears
[13:16] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven: "no such device"
[13:17] <EyesOfARaven> thought so
[13:17] <EyesOfARaven> :/
[13:17] <EyesOfARaven> sorry im not sure what to do
[13:18] <san> I upgraded from the beta to the rc and wireless networking stopped working.
[13:18] <EyesOfARaven> ndiswrapper?
[13:18] <san> before I had to remove some restricted kernel modules in order to get it working in the beta
[13:19] <san> nope..  Atheros AR5007EG
[13:19] <EyesOfARaven> i've heard something about support for AR5000 support being disabled
[13:20] <EyesOfARaven> try a kernel update if you haven't
[13:20] <san> EyesOfARaven: why disable a working driver?! And I'm already with the latest version?
[13:21] <EyesOfARaven> i don't know, perhaps it *wasn't* working on that version
[13:22] <jaksa> how i install tar.gz?
[13:22] <kevor> jaksa: it probably is a source package
[13:22] <san> tar xvzf filename.tar.gz
[13:22] <kevor> first extract it (like san said)
[13:22] <jaksa> done
[13:22] <kevor> then go into the directory and excecute ./configure
[13:22] <jaksa> done
[13:22] <EyesOfARaven> jaksa: open a terminal, and goto where the file is, "tar xzf *.tar.gz", "cd name-of-dir", "./configure", "make install clean"
[13:23] <kevor> you can try ./configure --help to see the options
[13:23] <kevor> you will probably need some development sources, ./configure will fail with a message of what's missing
[13:23] <san> EyesOfARaven: where can I find more information about on this wireless driver issue?
[13:23] <zeco1> EyesOfARaven: I wonder whether this would warrant a bug report or what should I do with this. My wireless card (Dell wireless-n 1505 = broadcom BCM4328 (rev3)) isn't that uncommon. Many people will run into this come next thursday. Or where should I go with this
[13:24] <jaksa>  No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[13:25] <kevor> did ./configure succeed?
[13:25] <freaky_t> hi all. i can't play mp3 files in kubuntu Intrepid can someone help me?
[13:25] <kevor> freaky_t: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:25] <EyesOfARaven> san: sorry, no idea, i heard what i heard in this channel
[13:26] <freaky_t> kevor: i think so. it suddenly stopped working a week or so ago
[13:26] <EyesOfARaven> zeco1: i'm unsure, tbh
[13:27] <freaky_t> kevor: yes they are installed
[13:27] <kevor> freaky_t: do you have other sound?
[13:27] <freaky_t> kevor: yea amarok says no suitable demux plugin found for mp3s
[13:28] <EyesOfARaven> freaky_t: try running amarok from a terminal with "padsp amarok"
[13:29] <puremichael> hello. since intrepid it seems that i can control the mousecursor with my gamepad, but i'm not able to catch any events within sdl
[13:29] <freaky_t> EyesOfARaven: ok one moment
[13:30] <freaky_t> EyesOfARaven: doesnt help
[13:31] <EyesOfARaven> dunno then, sry
[13:31] <EyesOfARaven> not an expert xD
[13:32] <m1dn1ght> hey guys.  In Hardy, because of my crappy graphics adapter, I had to use VESA driver.  Whenever I did fresh install my resolution would be capped at 800x600 and to fix I'd have to run "displayconfig-gtk" as root and manually change my monitor to LCD 1024x800.  This command doesn't seem to work in Intrepid.  Does anyone know if command has changed/not included/different workaround?
[13:33] <freaky_t> i found a solution! :D i deleted ~/.xine and ~/.gxine now it plays mp3s :DD thank you ^^
[13:33] <EyesOfARaven> great :D
[13:35] <Dreaman> nvidia mx440 driver 96 work in final ubuntu 8.10
[13:36] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Kernel upgrade just broke my atheros wireless that worked like charm until this very morning. Anyone with a similar problem?
[13:36] <rbanffy> I reported it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/289100
[13:37] <rbanffy> ubottu: Cool!
[13:37] <EyesOfARaven> i've heard about AR5000 being disabled on new v
[13:37] <EyesOfARaven> dunno any more, but others hav had trouble
[13:37] <rbanffy> EyesOfARaven: It _was_ working :-(
[13:38] <EyesOfARaven> roll back to old kernel? :D
[13:38] <rbanffy> EyesOfARaven: I tried. But it seems I forgot something
[13:38] <remi> hey guys, is it normal that each time I login, I have to do a 'metacity --replace' in order to get any drop shadows under my gnome panels? (ubuntu 8.10 rc1)
[13:39] <EyesOfARaven> remi: mine works without needing to do that
[13:39] <predator363> hey when i try to whatch video's in firefox all i see is a grey box where the video should be what do i need to do?
[13:39] <rbanffy> remi: Same here
[13:40] <EyesOfARaven> predator363: you need to install the proprietary flash codec
[13:40] <rbanffy> EyesOfARaven: I will try to rollback once more. Wish me luck
[13:41] <EyesOfARaven> aye gl
[13:43] <remi> nevermind, I found the related bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/269670
[13:44] <AirBender> Hello
[13:45] <dreamcoder> can anyone help me to get the sound working in my acer laptop please
[13:45] <dreamcoder> i have tried google but no luck
[13:45] <rbanffy> dreamcoder: what model?
[13:45] <dreamcoder> aspire 6920g
[13:46] <dreamcoder> i had it wokring in hardy but intrepid doesnt like the method i used in hardy
[13:46] <EyesOfARaven> do we hav to compile compiz-fusion from source? or is there a package name i dont know
[13:46] <EyesOfARaven> compiz-fusion doesnt seem to exist
[13:47] <m1dn1ght> think it's just compiz
[13:47] <EyesOfARaven> AND it's already installed
[13:47] <EyesOfARaven> hehe
[13:47] <m1dn1ght> compiz is the metapackage, no?
[13:47] <EyesOfARaven> convenient
[13:47] <EyesOfARaven> yeah ur right
[13:48] <EyesOfARaven> and it doesnt like my eee atm
[13:48] <EyesOfARaven> luvly
[13:48] <m1dn1ght> hey guys.  In Hardy, because of my crappy graphics adapter, I had to use VESA driver.  Whenever I did fresh install my resolution would be capped at 800x600 and to fix I'd have to run "displayconfig-gtk" as root and manually change my monitor to LCD 1024x800.  This command doesn't seem to work in Intrepid.  Does anyone know if command has changed/not included/different workaround?
[13:48] <EyesOfARaven> still dont know the answer to that one, sorry lol
[13:49] <EyesOfARaven> did you try running the screen resolution tool as root? or perhaps editing your xorg.conf?
[13:49] <nevoeiro> hello. just updated from hardy to ibex and now i don't have net...
[13:49] <nevoeiro> can't connect to internet
[13:51] <dreamcoder> ibex would be great if i could get sound to work
[13:51] <EyesOfARaven> mine worked out of the box, im happy
[13:51] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[13:51] <dreamcoder> lol
[13:51] <dreamcoder> it would work on my pc probaly but my laptop doesnt like linux
[13:51] <dreamcoder> lol
[13:51] <nevoeiro> sound it's working here but no net...
[13:51] <nevoeiro> help? :(
[13:52] <EyesOfARaven> atheros 500x card, nevoeiro?
[13:52] <dreamcoder> what network card? or wireless etc?
[13:52] <nevoeiro> erm.. don't know, wait..
[13:52] <dreamcoder> right brb just installed alsa beta see if that does anything
[13:53] <AirBender> there were some chagnes last night with the RC, my atheros driver went back to ath_pci from ath5k
[13:53] <nevoeiro> intel pro wireless 3945abg golan..
[13:53] <AirBender> and the leds are blinking again =)
[13:53] <predator363> eyesofraven: sorry i took so long ...iv got the flash codec installed
[13:54] <EyesOfARaven> any luck, predator?
[13:54] <m1dn1ght> EyesOfARaven: Sorry, was AFK before.  Yeah, tried that and no joy unfortunately ;(
[13:54] <nevoeiro> eyesofraven: ?
[13:54] <predator363> eyesofaraven: no i was saying iv had them installed for days and this only started happening today
[13:55] <EyesOfARaven> nevoeiro: was talking to someone else, what happens when u type iwconfig
[13:55] <nevoeiro> EyesOfARaven: intel pro wireless 3945abg golan network connection rev 02
[13:55] <nevoeiro> wait..
[13:55] <EyesOfARaven> predator363: see if it is broken with another browser, seamonkey uses the same plugins
[13:55] <nevoeiro> no wireless extensions
[13:56] <nevoeiro> ???
[13:56] <nevoeiro> was working great in hardy
[13:56] <dreamcoder> nope didnt do a thing lol
[13:56] <dreamcoder> grrrrrrrrr
[13:56] <EyesOfARaven> nevoeiro: u will need to install a driver for ur wifi, try ndiswrapper (or if your card supports it, madwifi)
[13:56] <dreamcoder> well i am going to have to go back to hardy
[13:56] <nevoeiro> and now "no wireless extensions"
[13:56] <nevoeiro> argh, why did i update, lol.. hardy was great..
[13:56] <nevoeiro> oh well..
[13:57] <predator363> gotta install seamonkey
[13:57] <AirBender> nevoeiro: there should be a driver for your card, you can try booting with another kernel
[13:57] <AirBender> for the momment, but I think there's just a detail missing
[13:57] <nevoeiro> ok..
[13:58] <AirBender> I can't remember now the name of the modules for this wifi chipset, but you should see if they're loaded
[13:58] <AirBender> with lsmod
[13:59] <nevoeiro> just to test, where can i get ndiswrapper or madwifi?
[13:59] <AirBender> are you with the release candidate?
[13:59] <nevoeiro> yes
[13:59] <nevoeiro> just updated to rc..
[13:59] <AirBender> madwifi is for the Atheros chipsets, not suitable for your card
[14:00] <EyesOfARaven> nevoeiro: ndiswrapper comes by default, you need to download the windows driver for your card, and then run the appropriate terminal commands with ndiswrapper on them
[14:00] <AirBender> and ndiswrapper is in the repository, but this is using your winXP drivers...
[14:00] <EyesOfARaven> airbender: thanks for clearin that up, i wasnt sure what was supported by it as it's usually referred to pretty vaguely in guides
[14:00] <nevoeiro> ok.. thx for the support
[14:02] <AirBender> inf fact madwifi is by default with the kernel modules in ubuntu
[14:02] <EyesOfARaven> ath_pci is madwifi then?
[14:03] <AirBender> you just have to agree with using the ath_hal wich is restricted because it's binary for security reasons
[14:03] <AirBender> yep
[14:03] <EyesOfARaven> ic
[14:03] <predator363> eyesofaraven: actualy yes flash runs 100% flawlesly in seamonkey and sea monkey also seems to be 10000times faster then firefox! why had i not heard of this before?!?!
[14:03] <EyesOfARaven> lol i hate firefox
[14:03] <EyesOfARaven> i love seamonkey for that very reason sir
[14:03] <EyesOfARaven> :D
[14:04] <EyesOfARaven> firefox has gotten bloated with age
[14:04] <EyesOfARaven> seamonkey is very old, based on ancient netscape code
[14:04] <EyesOfARaven> so it's lean
[14:04] <predator363> i used google chrome on windows
[14:05] <predator363> does seamonkey do tabs?
[14:05] <EyesOfARaven> yeah
[14:05] <EyesOfARaven> file->new tab if im not mistaken
[14:05] <predator363> how its not in the files menu
[14:05] <EyesOfARaven> maybe its tabs->new tab
[14:05] <EyesOfARaven> lemme fire it up and check
[14:05] <predator363> oh yea lol it is im just used to it being right in my face
[14:06] <EyesOfARaven> yeah it's not quiiiiite as interface friendly as firefox
[14:06] <EyesOfARaven> but imo the speed and function is worth the trade
[14:06] <z0r> hi. I'm upgrading to intrepid with update manager in a gnome session. When pam was upgraded, it asked which services it could restart. gdm was in the list. I removed it because I thought it would boot me out of gnome if it was restarted, and interrupt the installation. Would it have? Is this a bug?
[14:07] <AirBender> may be it's a better idea to do this from the console, out of gnome with do-release-upgrade
[14:08] <tux> anyone know is netbook remix will be released next week ?
[14:09] <EyesOfARaven> im not sure when it's planned for release, but they are working on their 8.1 variants
[14:10] <jaksa> netbook remix suks
[14:10] <EyesOfARaven> if u have a netbook
[14:10] <EyesOfARaven> it might not :p
[14:10] <jaksa> acer one
[14:10] <EyesOfARaven> in fact im thinking of getting their gnome tweaks
[14:11] <EyesOfARaven> i like how that panel's lookin
[14:11] <jaksa> ibex next my One
[14:11] <|Cyb3rPunk|> question myubuntu is showing just a offwhitecolourscreen ican seemymouse butnothingelse ican getintermaniol butthats it
[14:12] <EyesOfARaven> that's quite a grammar
[14:13] <AirBender> it's probably a problem with compiz-fusion
[14:13] <legend2440> canyouseperateyourwordsalittle?
[14:13] <AirBender> try ALT+F2 metacity --replace
[14:14] <|Cyb3rPunk|> canany one help me getmydisply back
[14:14] <EyesOfARaven> they are.. helping u..
[14:14] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: try ALT+F2 metacity --replace
[14:15] <EyesOfARaven> airbender: u seem the knowledgeable sort, any idea how to remove the gnome foot from nautilus? i dont like it.
[14:15] <AirBender> haha lol, I'm not...
[14:15] <nevoeiro> EyesOfARaven: got internet now:))
[14:15] <EyesOfARaven> nevoeiro: great :D
[14:16] <nevoeiro> connect via ethernet, download ndiswrapper from synaptic and voilà :)
[14:16] <nevoeiro> uff..
[14:16] <nevoeiro> hehe
[14:16] <AirBender> what did you do Novell
[14:16] <AirBender> oops
[14:16] <EyesOfARaven> u called him novell? lol
[14:16] <AirBender> what did you do nevoeiro
[14:16] <EyesOfARaven> haha
[14:16] <EyesOfARaven> he did what i said :)
[14:16] <nevoeiro> yes :)
[14:16] <nevoeiro> thx guys :))
[14:16] <EyesOfARaven> np mate
[14:16] <EyesOfARaven> glad i cud help
[14:17] <AirBender> ndiswrapper?
[14:17] <EyesOfARaven> aye
[14:17] <nevoeiro> yes
[14:17] <AirBender> ok, but give the native driver a try in some days...
[14:18] <AirBender> or when you're not affraid of being without internet for some minutes
[14:18] <AirBender> ;)
[14:18] <nevoeiro> AirBender: if it's working, don't fix it :P haha
[14:18] <AirBender> haha
[14:18] <EyesOfARaven> it'd be neat if there was an option to use windows drivers for other things besides wifi
[14:18] <EyesOfARaven> like video, sound, etc
[14:18] <|Cyb3rPunk|> doi have toenteradisplay?
[14:19] <AirBender> yep
[14:19] <nevoeiro> ok, gotta go now.. see you later
[14:19] <AirBender> but you do it in a blind mode
[14:19] <|Cyb3rPunk|> whats the settingsforalaptop
[14:19] <AirBender> ok bye
[14:19] <AirBender> where are you right now?
[14:20] <AirBender> a console?
[14:20] <|Cyb3rPunk|> toshiba
[14:20] <AirBender> but how can you type here if you can't see anything in your display...?
[14:20] <|Cyb3rPunk|> on windows
[14:20] <AirBender> ah ok
[14:21] <AirBender> on the same laptop?
[14:21] <|Cyb3rPunk|> no sepret
[14:21] <AirBender> and you have your laptop turned on with the white display?
[14:23] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ya i can seethe mouseand thats it itgasve meamsg for display errororsomthingandhad crashed
[14:24] <AirBender> ok
[14:24] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i logedinviatermanal ctrl+alt+f1
[14:24] <AirBender> so you type: ALT+F2
[14:24] <|Cyb3rPunk|> sorry keybord notworkingon mywindowslaptop
[14:25] <AirBender> and then metacity --replace
[14:25] <AirBender> enter
[14:25] <Acknix> #ubuntu+1
[14:25] <Acknix> so sexy#
[14:25] <Acknix> =]
[14:25] <|Cyb3rPunk|> dont know what to enter - -
[14:25] <AirBender> mmm
[14:26] <AirBender> but you know that ALT+F2 is for running an application right?
[14:26] <|Cyb3rPunk|> its a 17" intarnallcd
[14:26] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ahh damn what can i dothen
[14:26] <AirBender> so, after ALT+F2
[14:26] <AirBender> you type: metacity --replace
[14:26] <AirBender> that's a command to invoke the default windows manager
[14:27] <EyesOfARaven> airbender: i was JUST looking for the "run dialog" for that explict purpose so i could stop restarting X, thanks
[14:27] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[14:27] <AirBender> you're welcome
[14:27] <Acknix> automatix availalbe for .10?
[14:27] <dfgas> hmmm, wonder if updates will fix mouse problem, heh, move mouse and it turns monitor back on, but it won't take me out of screensaver, i have to hit a key on the keyboard
[14:28] <|Cyb3rPunk|> gives me unabletoopenX display
[14:28] <AirBender> mm
[14:28] <LjL> !automatix
[14:29] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: so, may be it's a good idea to switch to console 1, and change the video driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from whatever it is to vesa
[14:29] <EyesOfARaven> acknix: automatix wasnt even available for 8.04 :p
[14:29] <AirBender> and restart X server
[14:29] <|Cyb3rPunk|> whats thecommandeforthat?
[14:29] <AirBender> CTRL+ALT+F1
[14:30] <AirBender> then you're in console 1
[14:30] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ok so can youtell mewhat totype?
[14:30] <AirBender> yes
[14:30] <AirBender> now you type: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:31] <AirBender> what video card do you have?
[14:32] <EyesOfARaven> shud make sure ppl know how to use vi before u go putting them in it
[14:32] <EyesOfARaven> as those of us who don't know vi get scared
[14:32] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[14:33] <AirBender> will try to do something special
[14:33] <AirBender> but |Cyb3rPunk| what video card do you have? I gotta leave...
[14:33] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says new directory
[14:33] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ???
[14:33] <AirBender> uhhh....
[14:33] <|Cyb3rPunk|> inturnal navada???
[14:34] <EyesOfARaven> im gonna assume that means nvidia
[14:34] <AirBender> nvidia?
[14:34] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ya
[14:34] <AirBender> lol
[14:34] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[14:34] <AirBender> ok
[14:34] <emilien> hey which is latest ubuntu ibex release and where can i download ?
[14:34] <AirBender> are you in the console again?
[14:34] <|Cyb3rPunk|> itsrightnext tome
[14:34] <AirBender> ok
[14:34] <EyesOfARaven> why dont we point him at the nvidia proprietary download
[14:34] <EyesOfARaven> that might be easy
[14:34] <AirBender> sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:34] <AirBender> just as I type
[14:35] <|Cyb3rPunk|> itwontletmetypeany thing
[14:35] <AirBender> have you logged in?
[14:35] <AirBender> try console 2 CTRL+ALT+F2
[14:35] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i'm logeditand now itson the screen in thetermaniol gives melike 15 lins of ~~~~~
[14:36] <AirBender> ahh ok
[14:36] <EyesOfARaven> that's normal
[14:36] <|Cyb3rPunk|> and says new directory
[14:36] <AirBender> so don't try to type anything
[14:36] <EyesOfARaven> i hate vi..
[14:36] <AirBender> just tell my if you're viewing the xorg.conf file
[14:36] <|Cyb3rPunk|> maybe.... lol says newdirectory and i canttypeordoany thing
[14:37] <AirBender> mmm ok
[14:37] <AirBender> so type ESC
[14:37] <AirBender> or press ESC
[14:37] <AirBender> and then :q!
[14:37] <AirBender> tell me if you are out of vim now
[14:37] <|Cyb3rPunk|> rofl says ---insert--- when i hit type : e
[14:38] <AirBender> press ESC a couple of times
[14:38] <AirBender> and the type :q!
[14:38] <AirBender> ENTER
[14:38] <|Cyb3rPunk|> nowit says recording
[14:38] <AirBender> ¿?
[14:39] <AirBender> so you're not doing what I say
[14:39] <ArkoldThos> anyone getting problems with xorg.conf WHEN using Intel graphic cards?
[14:39] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ... ok backattermaniol windows
[14:39] <AirBender> ok
[14:40] <AirBender> type: cd /etc/X11
[14:40] <AirBender> then ls and tell me that you see a file named xorg.conf
[14:40] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says no such fileor directory
[14:40] <AirBender> type pwd
[14:40] <AirBender> what does it say?
[14:41] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says /home/shawn
[14:41] <AirBender> now
[14:41] <AirBender> cd /
[14:41] <AirBender> ls
[14:41] <AirBender> do you see a folder called etc ?
[14:41] <|Cyb3rPunk|> nope
[14:42] <AirBender> you had better to reinstall ubuntu dude
[14:42] <|Cyb3rPunk|> fuck i just crackedmycrossover
[14:42] <AirBender> are there any folders?
[14:42] <|Cyb3rPunk|> idk how doichack lol
[14:43] <|Cyb3rPunk|> typed dir = showssome
[14:43] <AirBender> use ls instead of dir
[14:43] <AirBender> type pwd
[14:43] <AirBender> what does it say?
[14:43] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ifitype1s issays commandnotfound
[14:44] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says : /
[14:44] <chadeldridge> ls dude .. not 1s
[14:44] <chadeldridge> L
[14:44] <chadeldridge> :-D
[14:44] <AirBender> lol
[14:44] <chadeldridge> whats wrong with your crossover I can try to help
[14:45] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ;) um says bin, dev, initrd, boot, ect, cdrom, home intread.img, lib, root......
[14:45] <AirBender> ok
[14:45] <AirBender> type cd etc
[14:45] <EyesOfARaven> cd /etc/X11
[14:45] <EyesOfARaven> ls
[14:46] <AirBender> and?
[14:46] <AirBender> ...
[14:46] <|Cyb3rPunk|> what i type ittellsmeno such fireor directory
[14:46]  * EyesOfARaven looks for his decoder ring
[14:46] <chadeldridge> cap X
[14:46] <chadeldridge>  not lower case
[14:46] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[14:46] <AirBender> ok easy...
[14:46] <chadeldridge> everything in unix is case sensitive
[14:46] <AirBender> just cd etc
[14:47] <AirBender> we're almost in
[14:47] <chadeldridge> what is his actual issue since i missed it ?
[14:47] <AirBender> I don't know, something with the video driver
[14:47] <chadeldridge> ahh
[14:47] <AirBender> so i want him to change to vesa driver in xorg.conf
[14:47] <chadeldridge> yeah
[14:48] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: where are you?
[14:48] <|Cyb3rPunk|> on boot up i get tothe login kinda screen but its white nothingon thewre i seethemousebut nothing elseis on the screen icanclicktypeor doanything i can hitctrl+alt+f1 and opentermanal
[14:49] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: type pwd and tell me what it says...
[14:49] <AirBender> come on it's not that difficult just stay focused
[14:49] <AirBender> or focus... lol
[14:49] <pal> VirtualBox from Hardy suitable for Intrepid? Because there are no Inrepid mirror on Virtualbox official site
[14:49] <chadeldridge> pal yes
[14:50] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i type : pwd itthen givesmea newlineshowing / andthen givemesaboxtotypein again
[14:50] <pal> thanks
[14:50] <chadeldridge> np
[14:50] <EyesOfARaven> what's the package for installing xgl on 8.1
[14:50] <EyesOfARaven> xserver-xgl?
[14:51] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: so now you type: cd etc
[14:51] <EyesOfARaven> nope..
[14:51] <EyesOfARaven> hrm
[14:51] <|Cyb3rPunk|> no file
[14:51] <|Cyb3rPunk|> this ismy3ed problemswith the ubuntu
[14:52] <AirBender> and cd ect ?
[14:52] <EyesOfARaven> jesus christ
[14:52] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i type : cd /etc/x11
[14:52] <scopecreep> where are the dns setting stored? i need to switch to static ip permanently
[14:52] <|Cyb3rPunk|> cansomeonedirect conect tomyboxlol
[14:52] <chadeldridge> EyesOfARaven: i am not finding the pkg either
[14:53] <AirBender> and that's the reason I said type cd etc
[14:53] <chadeldridge> |Cyb3rPunk|: cd /etc/X11
[14:53] <|Cyb3rPunk|> givesme nofileor dir
[14:53] <AirBender> the X MUST be Upper case
[14:53] <EyesOfARaven> let me take him
[14:53] <EyesOfARaven> |Cyb3rPunk|, what nvidia card model do u have
[14:53] <AirBender> but cand you go into etc?
[14:53] <EyesOfARaven> u guys work on getting me xgl package
[14:53] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ok in
[14:54] <|Cyb3rPunk|> hadsomeonesaidX isupercase
[14:54] <AirBender> and now
[14:54] <AirBender> cd X11
[14:54] <nicksix> hi to all
[14:54] <AirBender> are we in?
[14:54] <|Cyb3rPunk|> doi just type: cd X11 ? ? ?
[14:55] <AirBender> yess
[14:55] <nicksix> I've got problem in upgrade from 8.10 alpha 4 to 8.10 RC
[14:55] <AirBender> if you typed cd etc last time
[14:55] <|Cyb3rPunk|> hmm says no fileordir...
[14:55] <AirBender> pwd
[14:55] <AirBender> ?
[14:55] <xxploit> question, with network manager, it displays some console output while booting...like just connection info(no errors or anything like that). Is there a way I can have it suppress this information and just basically state the service is starting and that is it?
[14:56] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i type: pwdsays /etc/X11
[14:56] <AirBender> excellent!
[14:56] <chadeldridge> EyesOfARaven: http://www.tectonic.co.za/wordpress/?p=916
[14:56] <AirBender> you did it
[14:56] <chadeldridge> there you go
[14:56] <AirBender> so now: be careful
[14:56] <AirBender> type: sudo vim xorg.conf
[14:57] <|Cyb3rPunk|> what do i donow
[14:57] <AirBender> nothing more
[14:57] <AirBender> do you see the file?
[14:57] <|Cyb3rPunk|> givesmne a huge text filetoreadonmyscreen
[14:57] <AirBender> ok
[14:58] <AirBender> now type: /nvidia
[14:58] <AirBender> ENTER
[14:58] <AirBender> now the cursor is over the n of nvidia right?
[14:58] <EyesOfARaven> THERE IS NO XSERVER-XGL FOR IBEX - AHHHHHH
[14:58] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says pattern notfoundin boldred
[14:59] <AirBender> and /vesa ?
[14:59] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says pattern notfoundin boldred
[14:59] <AirBender> mmm
[14:59] <AirBender> try /nv
[15:00] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says pattern notfoundin boldred
[15:00] <AirBender> now /"Device"
[15:00] <|Cyb3rPunk|> doileave the""
[15:00] <AirBender> yep
[15:00] <AirBender> I mean type it with ""
[15:01] <AirBender> just as I did
[15:01] <|Cyb3rPunk|> doileave the""
[15:01] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ok
[15:01] <|Cyb3rPunk|> nmothing\
[15:01] <AirBender> where is the cursor?
[15:01] <|Cyb3rPunk|> again i'm in full termaniol mode
[15:02] <AirBender> you see some lines starting with the word Section
[15:02] <brunop> hi
[15:02] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ya
[15:02] <unavailable> allright guys, flash content on a web page makes firefox AND konqueror
[15:02] <unavailable> handg
[15:02] <unavailable> hang
[15:02] <AirBender> is there one called: Section "Device" ?
[15:03] <brunop> does intrepid support the Intel X4500 chip ?
[15:03] <ArkoldThos> anyone got a nice xorg.conf for Intel with 3d acceleration
[15:03] <unavailable> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12
[15:03] <unavailable> is this a non fixable problem?
[15:03] <chadeldridge> unavailable: do you have the flash plugin installed ?
[15:03] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i'm still not gettingany thing...
[15:03] <brunop> it works fine with vesa, not with intel drivers for me..
[15:04] <unavailable> chadeldridge: see above  : Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12
[15:04] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: let's do it easier... type ESC then :q!
[15:04] <AirBender> you will be in the terminal prompt again
[15:04] <chadeldridge> unavailable: thats not the one from repo correct, thats the self compiled version ?
[15:04] <unavailable> hmm...
[15:04] <nicksix> someone have problems with sound?
[15:05] <unavailable> chadeldridge: i think its from adobe's site
[15:05] <unavailable> lemmie see.
[15:05] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: then type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:05] <nicksix> my audio device sounds very distorted
[15:05] <chadeldridge> unavailable: try this    sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[15:05] <|Cyb3rPunk|> it wont let me esc... keepstypeingover textonthe screen
[15:06] <unavailable> chadeldridge: its removing one and installing nonfree
[15:06] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: type ESC 3 times
[15:06] <AirBender> then type ":q!"
[15:06] <AirBender> without the ""
[15:06] <|Cyb3rPunk|> nowis says :/etc/X11$
[15:06] <AirBender> then ENTER
[15:06] <nicksix> my nVidia HDA works bad with ALSA and pulse audio
[15:06] <AirBender> ok
[15:06] <AirBender> ok
[15:06] <AirBender> now type the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:08] <unavailable> and now its even worse
[15:08] <ArkoldThos> brunop: no clue how to make 3d acceleration?
[15:08] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: how is it goingÇ?
[15:08] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says warning.. overwriting....... nowi'm backat the etc/X11$
[15:08] <unavailable> allright guys, which flash plugin is the best (meaning: which one doesnt make firefox hang)
[15:09] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: now CTR+ALT+F7 then CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[15:09] <AirBender> (once you are in the white screeen)
[15:10] <unavailable> what happened to chadeldridge?
[15:10] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ok i login andnowi am where i startedagain
[15:10] <brunop> ArkoldThos: nop, i cant get more than "none visual effects"
[15:10] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: still white?
[15:10] <|Cyb3rPunk|> yep thelovley ubuntu white
[15:10] <unavailable> flash makes firefox hang (real bad) just installed flashplugin-nonfree from the repo's and it did nothing
[15:11] <|Cyb3rPunk|> well orangeey white\
[15:11] <ArkoldThos> :/ how can i try that on kubuntu? just i want play smth :/
[15:11] <AirBender> but you are inside your desktop or still in the login window?
[15:11] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i'm talking on a windows pc andhave myothercomputernext tome
[15:12] <AirBender> but have you logged in into gnome?
[15:12] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i'm insidethe desktop
[15:12] <AirBender> ok
[15:12] <AirBender> the white screen occurs after you login?
[15:12] <|Cyb3rPunk|> butitsa orangewhite nothingdisplayednothingtoclickon
[15:12] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ya
[15:12] <AirBender> ok
[15:12] <AirBender> now
[15:12] <AirBender> ALT+F2
[15:12] <AirBender> metacity --replace
[15:13] <|Cyb3rPunk|> alt f2 dosentwork... can i usectrl+alt+f2
[15:13] <AirBender> nope
[15:13] <AirBender> ALt+F2
[15:13] <AirBender> I think you just can't see it
[15:13] <|Cyb3rPunk|> can'topen alt+f2
[15:13] <AirBender> do it blindly
[15:13] <|Cyb3rPunk|> lol nothing
[15:14] <AirBender> but have you typed metacity --replace ?
[15:14] <AirBender> I'm pretty sure this should bring back your desktop
[15:14] <|Cyb3rPunk|> into the blind screen... dont even knowifany thingisopen
[15:14] <AirBender> yes, i know
[15:15] <unavailable> if you have gnome-panel running, alt+F2 should work
[15:15] <AirBender> some time ago I had a problem with 3D acceleration, and every time i logged in to gnome i had to type blindly ALT+F2 and then metacity --replace
[15:15] <|Cyb3rPunk|> notworking
[15:15] <AirBender> and it worked
[15:15] <AirBender> mmm
[15:16] <AirBender> have you pressed enter?
[15:16] <unavailable> lol
[15:16] <|Cyb3rPunk|> yep
[15:16] <AirBender> mmm
[15:16] <AirBender> may be it's tome to do what EyesOfARaven said... to reinstall the nvidia driver
[15:16] <brunop> i'm unable to make a screenshot with intel drivers, the mouse pointer is smoetime like a tv square
[15:16] <AirBender> time*
[15:17] <|Cyb3rPunk|> how do i dothat if i cantseethe screen?
[15:17] <AirBender> from the console
[15:17] <AirBender> it's better to restart in recovery mode
[15:17] <unavailable> ctrl alt f1-6
[15:17] <EyesOfARaven> we need to know what card he has
[15:17] <EyesOfARaven> then we can give him a wget && ./blahblah sort of command to run
[15:18] <AirBender> may be it's a good idea to restart in recovery mode
[15:18] <EyesOfARaven> and it'll just poof up an installer
[15:18] <|Cyb3rPunk|> all i knowisitsinturnal graficscardon mylaptop
[15:18] <EyesOfARaven> when u get to a terminal
[15:18] <|Cyb3rPunk|> nivida
[15:18] <EyesOfARaven> type "lspci | grep "vid"
[15:18] <brunop> i think the current intel drivers does not support correctly the X4500 GMA...
[15:18] <EyesOfARaven> 'lspci | grep "vid" '
[15:19] <|Cyb3rPunk|> can i dothat from /etc/X11 ? ? ?
[15:19] <AirBender> yes, it doesn't matter
[15:19] <AirBender> but I suggest you to reboot and then choose recovery mode
[15:19] <|Cyb3rPunk|> with the ""
[15:19] <|Cyb3rPunk|> andisthat a 1 or a i
[15:19] <brunop> here is the "screenshot" : http://tinyurl.com/6y2evn
[15:20] <ArkoldThos>           looks beauty xd
[15:21] <EyesOfARaven> it is an i
[15:21] <EyesOfARaven> an L, then an i
[15:21] <EyesOfARaven> Lspci
[15:21] <|Cyb3rPunk|> will try recoverymode
[15:21] <brunop> hu?
[15:21] <EyesOfARaven> his are 1s
[15:22] <|Cyb3rPunk|> ahh well recovery modedid noithing
[15:22] <AirBender> what did you do in recovery mode?
[15:22] <AirBender> recovery mode doesn't work alone
[15:23] <|Cyb3rPunk|> selected normal bootlol
[15:23] <AirBender> this is like nothing
[15:23] <EyesOfARaven> how do you increase the number of virtual desktops
[15:23] <AirBender> if you're using compiz-fusion in compizconfig-settings-manager general config DesktopSize
[15:23] <EyesOfARaven> ty
[15:23] <AirBender> you change horizontal size
[15:24] <EyesOfARaven> amazing how nooby i can be with a GUI yet know what im doing with a console, eh
[15:24] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[15:24] <AirBender> hehehe
[15:24] <|Cyb3rPunk|> what should i select in the recovery menu?
[15:24] <AirBender> you can try fix X Server
[15:25] <AirBender> and see what it says
[15:25] <|Cyb3rPunk|> says warningoverwriting....
[15:25] <AirBender> ok
[15:25] <AirBender> after that you can try fix broken packages
[15:25] <AirBender> if there's something wrong...
[15:26] <|Cyb3rPunk|> andthen
[15:26] <AirBender> and then try normal boot
[15:26] <AirBender> or console
[15:26] <AirBender> then init 5
[15:26] <OsamaK> Could somebody explain this error <http://osamak.wfm.googlepages.com/errorinstallingubuntu810.jpg>, I tried re-burn the CD, MD5 is OK and the harddisk has been formatted. What can I do else to fix this problem?
[15:26] <AirBender> or init 2
[15:26] <|Cyb3rPunk|> .... wowthissucks.... nothing
[15:26] <brunop> so how can i get the 3d acceleration and/or the visual effects with Intrepid ?
[15:27] <thegve> hello - I just burned (using this same system) a intrepid system and installed with it, so I guess the recorder is fine. However, with cdrecord I now get an error "Sense Code: 0x73 Qual 0x03 (power calibration area error) Fru 0x0"
[15:27] <thegve> Are there any known issues?
[15:28] <AirBender> |Cyb3rPunk|: try reinstalling nvidia driver, but I'm tired now...  and have a lot of things to do, going to Gnome Day among them
[15:28] <thegve> This is a HP Compaq 8510w laptop
[15:28] <|Cyb3rPunk|> i geuss i'll reinstall ubuntu again itseaserandloseevery thingagain
[15:28] <|Cyb3rPunk|> thanks foryourhelp
[15:28] <AirBender> you're welcoe, actually that's a good idea
[15:29] <ArkoldThos> rofl xd
[15:29] <OsamaK> Could somebody explain this error <http://osamak.wfm.googlepages.com/errorinstallingubuntu810.jpg>?
[15:29] <unavailable> allright guys
[15:29] <thegve> This is what I get with cdrskin by the way... "cdrskin: FATAL : SCSI error on write(-150,16): key=3 asc=73h ascq=03h"
[15:30] <unavailable> NEEDING FLASH SUPPORT
[15:30] <pururu> wat
[15:30] <thegve> OsamaK, I do not "know" the error, but I think it's trying to say it cannot read the CD well.
[15:30] <thegve> scratches etc.
[15:30] <Ienorand> OsamaK: Faulty CD faulty CD-drive or faulty harddrive?
[15:31] <Ienorand> OsamaK: I guess is the possible causes
[15:34] <xxploit> question, on first boot you always get that Kinit resume image messages on the first 3 lines of boot, is this to do with some kind of suspend mode or something? And if so any way to disable it?
[15:38] <mastermolch> i m not able to install opera from canonical on my ubuntu 8.10 rc 64bit installation, i m wondering if this package exists.
[15:39] <enaut> hi, I have got a problem with the new network manager in xubuntu 8.10. I have a DSL Dialup connection and it just refuses to connect :( . I tried to set up with pppoe and with the networkmanager both way are not working. where can i find a logfile or anythin of Networkmanager?
[15:41] <webmaren> i am loving the speed improvements to the Kubuntu RC
[15:42] <webmaren> for the first time since upgrade, my new system starts up faster than my old gnome
[15:42] <enaut> http
[15:42] <enaut> sry focus error
[15:45] <OsamaK> thegve: I burn it twice.. I checked the MD5 and it was OK.
[15:47] <unavailable> flash plugin not working correctly
[15:47] <unavailable> need help with flash
[15:47] <unavailable> flash 10 makes firefox hang really bad
[15:49] <andresmh> when I do sudo apt-cache showpkg openoffice.org, it lists oo3 and oo2.4... does that mean i have both installed? and if so, how do i get rid of oo2.4 without messing up my oo3?
[15:49] <andresmh> synaptic only shows oo3
[15:53] <Dude> how do i set my refresh rate without the NVIDIA driver?
[15:53] <foormea> hi
[15:54] <EyesOfARaven> Dude: u can set it in the resolution tool, or if you mean to a specific value u have to edit xorg.conf
[15:54] <OsamaK> Hello, foormea.
[15:54] <foormea> oh #kubuntu+1 redirects here
[15:54] <Dude> EyesOfARaven: the res tool only shows 0 Hz available
[15:54] <foormea> i just installed intrepid/KDE. 2 questions: 1. no katapult in kde4?! :( 2. no quicklaunch in the taskbar?! or i'm blind and cannot find it?! :( :D
[15:55] <Dude> EyesOfARaven: how can i set it in the xorg.conf?
[15:55] <EyesOfARaven> you have to add a mode line
[15:55] <EyesOfARaven> ill get you a link, dude
[15:57] <konam> crimsun there's a fix now for the 'alsa freezes' problem
[15:57] <EyesOfARaven> dude: i can't seem to find a link that explains it too clearly, lol.... google for it
[15:57] <andresmh> how do I uninstall openoffice completely and install it again? i see in synaptic there are tons of installed packages related to openoffice
[15:58] <andresmh> but is there a way to just uninstall the whole thing?
[15:59] <konam> crimsun here hoping the fix gets to the final release..
[15:59] <OsamaK> I'm still wait the answer :)
[16:00] <OsamaK> Simply, how to avoid <http://osamak.wfm.googlepages.com/errorinstallingubuntu810.jpg>?
[16:00] <andresmh> OsamaK: maybe try downloading the installer again?
[16:01] <andresmh> seems like the cd you're using is damaged
[16:01] <OsamaK> I burned it twice, this is not my first CD..
[16:01] <andresmh> maybe the downloaded ISO file is damaged?
[16:02] <OsamaK> MD5 is OK
[16:02] <andresmh> oh
[16:02] <andresmh> weird
[16:02] <andresmh> i don't know
[16:02] <OsamaK> Well, I'll try burning the CD for third time from another computer.
[16:04] <unavailable> intrepid firefox flash not working right
[16:04] <unavailable> hangs on flash content
[16:04] <unavailable> hangs really bad
[16:07] <unavailable> any!?
[16:07] <unavailable> arrgh   any1?
[16:08] <MrLemur> Hi. I have recently upgraded to Intrepid from Hardy. My only problem is that I have no sound. The sound card is recognised, just no sound.
[16:10] <MrLemur> It's a SiS SI7012.
[16:13] <mastermolch> are there packages in "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner" for the 64bit version? i m wondering, because i dont find opera, adobe acrobat or googleearth
[16:13] <toxygen> hello
[16:13] <toxygen> i'm looking for package ygen: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - WARNING: lots of broken software between now and  October 30th! - Use #ubuntu+1 for suppor
[16:13] <MrLemur> Hi
[16:13] <toxygen> ups
[16:13] <toxygen> moment
[16:13] <toxygen> bad paste :)
[16:14] <toxygen> 17:11:27    toxygen  : i'm looking for former package for ubuntu intrepid: linux-headers-2.6.27-4-generic
[16:14] <petr4> hello. Where to get Alternate CD image? (I desire to test OEM installer)
[16:14] <andresmh> how do I check the exact version of openoffice i have from the command line?
[16:14] <toxygen> i need to compile fglrx on my own, because with the new kernel wifi stopped working and i need to use old kernel
[16:14] <MrLemur> petr4:  The Desktop CD has a OEM installer
[16:15] <petr4> MrLemur: Really? great! thank you
[16:16] <petr4> andresmh: apt-cache policy openoffice
[16:16] <MrLemur> petr4:  http://es.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[16:16] <MrLemur> there's all the iso's
[16:18] <andresmh> petr4: thanks. why do you think it says Installed: (none) while Version table lists 3.0.0 and 2.4.1
[16:18] <andresmh> and Candidate: 1:3.0.0-2
[16:19] <andresmh> i am sure it is installed as i am using it and i want to know if i have 2.4 installed too
[16:19] <andresmh> so i can remove it
[16:20] <petr4> andresmh: perhaps there are more packages openoffice*
[16:20] <petr4> and you have something like openoffice-writer but not openoffice
[16:20] <petr4> perhaps
[16:21] <petr4> or use Synaptic to get the other versions
[16:21] <MrLemur> start openoffice and click on Help => About
[16:21] <andresmh> thanks petr4, MrLemur: synaptic only shows i have openoffice 3.0
[16:23] <MrLemur> Only openoffice 2.4 is in the official Intrepid repos
[16:23] <MrLemur> Where did you install version 3.0 from?
[16:25] <danbh_intrepid> MrLemur: bug 267376
[16:29] <LightTitan> why do all my Translation-en repositories for Intrepid fail?? Should I remove them from my sources.list?
[16:30] <dr_willis> #1 -fail in what way.  #2. you could always comment them out if you wanted.
[16:31] <dr_willis> #3 - the servers are gettting a lot of load lately. so that may be the issue
[16:31] <LightTitan> fail as in when I am reloading in Synaptic, they all say fail while all the others say updated
[16:31] <dr_willis> which servers specifically? could be they are overloaded.
[16:31] <LightTitan> hold on, let me grab a couple for you.
[16:32] <MrLemur> Hi. I have recently upgraded to Intrepid from Hardy. My only problem is that I have no sound. The sound card is recognised, just no sound.
[16:33] <dr_willis> ive seen some cases where people needed to use the alsamixer app in terminal, or otherwise to unmute things.. some how the mute got 'stuck' :)
[16:34] <MrLemur> alsamixer doesn't work
[16:35] <MrLemur> Here's the output: last post - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=958328
[16:36] <MrLemur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62510/
[16:37] <LightTitan> dr_willis: http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/dedicus/Screenshot.png
[16:37] <LightTitan> there are the ones that are failing
[16:38] <dr_willis> i would almost bet its server load.. or updates not being done yet on all of them
[16:39] <andresmh> when i push the up/down volume in my laptop the volume indicator shows up but the volume doesn't change at all
[16:39] <LightTitan> ok thanks dr_willis, I will try again some other time
[16:40] <MrLemur> dr_willis:  Is it a bug?
[16:40] <andresmh> the only way to change the volume is by going to the gnome panel and use the volume control widget there
[16:40] <dr_willis> Ive not had much luck with any of my intrepid Upgrades...
[16:40] <dr_willis> I ended up reinstalling  the machines.
[16:40] <MrLemur> dr_willis:  Hmm. I'll try with a hardy kernel, and see if that works
[16:41] <unavailable> www.myspace.com/yahushuah_hamessiach    <-- this page makes firefox hang really bad
[16:41] <unavailable> any ideas?>
[16:43] <danbh_intrepid> unavailable: maybe noscript
[16:44] <batti5> kopete irc?
[16:44] <batti5> how it works
[16:44] <MrLemur> batti5:  The kopete im program has a built in IRC plugin
[16:45] <batti5> whare?
[16:45] <dr_willis> Egads - that myspace site is rather.. an eyesore
[16:45] <MrLemur> Go to configure kopete => Accounts => new#
[16:46] <batti5> and?
[16:46] <MrLemur> Choose IRC
[16:47] <batti5> its not thare
[16:47] <MrLemur> Hmmm
[16:47] <MrLemur> I'll have a quick look
[16:48] <batti5> can you recommad an alternative to konversation or kopete?
[16:48] <dr_willis> I perfer xchat for irc.
[16:48] <MrLemur> are you using KDE?
[16:49] <EyesOfARaven> evolution mail keeps popping up
[16:49] <EyesOfARaven> and asking me to set it up
[16:49] <EyesOfARaven> ...?
[16:50] <batti5> it looks dificult "xchat"
[16:50] <EyesOfARaven> i luv xchat
[16:50] <MrLemur> batti5:  It's not difficult
[16:50] <dr_willis> diffuclut? you just type in text...
[16:50] <dr_willis> compared to the disaster of interfaces ive seen in some IM clients... :) its straight forwared
[16:50] <EyesOfARaven> xchat is about as easy as irc gets
[16:51] <EyesOfARaven> if u want hard, try bitchx
[16:51] <batti5> ok, i try i it
[16:52] <dr_willis> bitchx isent hard.. just poorely documented.. :)
[16:52] <dr_willis> irssi is fun. :)
[16:52] <Novell> bitchx isn't hard, try telnet
[16:52] <dr_willis> i have irc'd over telnet ages ago..
[16:53] <dr_willis> also ages ago i used irc on a greenbar-printing-serial terminal. :)
[16:53] <dr_willis> hardcopy of all the chatting!
[16:53] <dr_willis> irc on a 300 baud serial line! now thats hard.
[16:53] <dr_willis> :P
[16:53] <EyesOfARaven> i wish i had all the leet xp ircing that u hav
[16:54] <dr_willis> whats scary is to google for your own name/nick and find  logs/comments/messages from your self dated 20+ years ago..
[16:54] <Don_Miguel> yikes !
[16:54] <Don_Miguel> ... hope you were careful in what you said !
[16:55] <Fiyuri> http://www.clanplanet.de/_sites/index.asp?rn=&clanid=10972
[16:55] <dr_willis> back then.. we talked about computers... there was no XXX chat back then.
[16:55] <dr_willis> :)
[16:55] <dr_willis> and no spam, and no spambots..
[16:56] <Don_Miguel> some new things are NOT a sign of 'progress'
[16:56] <dulak> any gotchas on the RC?
[16:56] <dr_willis> every time ive ever seen some one in an IM client chat room.. it seems tobe 99% spamXXX bots.. and 2 people...
[16:56] <FFForever> any news on the boot stalling problem?
[16:56] <MrLemur> Anyone have a problem with alsamixer?
[16:56] <dulak> cuz I'm thinking about upgrading today instead of waiting for the official release
[16:56] <Denise> owner in oilonmars
[16:56] <Denise> lol
[16:56] <EyesOfARaven> i just did something that was plausibly stupi
[16:56] <EyesOfARaven> dd
[16:57] <Denise> oops
[16:57] <EyesOfARaven> i tried to uninstall evolution email client
[16:57] <FFForever> ???
[16:57] <batti5> what is a commas?
[16:57] <EyesOfARaven> and apparently it's part of the desktop
[16:57] <rmn> i have a desktop machine that used to run debian etch.  it boots the alpha-6 live CD ok.  It does not start the RC correctly (after splash it blinks an underscore).  md5-sum checked.  x85_64.  any known bugs, or workarounds?
[16:57] <dr_willis> dulak,  given how sluggish the servers are.. :)  well..  go for it! but ive had bad issues with upgrades. i just did 2 clean reinstalls..
[16:57] <dr_willis> EyesOfARaven,  the 'ubuntu-desktop' package is a meta-package.. removing it wont affedt much.
[16:58] <EyesOfARaven> meta-packages r bundles of other packages rite
[16:58] <dr_willis> yep
[16:58] <dr_willis> a package that just 'depends' on other packages.
[16:58] <EyesOfARaven> it also wanted to remove my gnome-panel-applets
[16:58] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[16:58] <dr_willis> to make installing a 'suite' of related thigns easier
[16:58] <dr_willis> You could always reinstall those./
[16:59] <dr_willis> but why bother removing it...
[16:59] <EyesOfARaven> cuz evolution keeps popping up
[16:59] <Don_Miguel> but they are so helpful when they are THERE and we can USE them !
[16:59] <EyesOfARaven> when i dont even click on it
[16:59] <EyesOfARaven> asking me to set up an email account i dont have
[16:59] <FFForever> Don_Miguel, google FTW XD
[17:00] <EyesOfARaven> how do i get evolution to stfu
[17:00] <FFForever> EyesOfARaven, remove it from synaptic :D
[17:00] <dr_willis> I have never seen it pop up.
[17:00] <EyesOfARaven> nor have i until today
[17:00] <EyesOfARaven> but it has done it some  5  times
[17:00] <Don_Miguel> I see that one sometimes,too .. and would like to put a stop to it !
[17:00] <FFForever> only time it popups for me is when i make it open by clicking an email addy :(
[17:00] <dr_willis> could bt your session got saved...
[17:00] <EyesOfARaven> i never use synaptic
[17:00] <dr_willis> or just  input fake info..
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> will synaptic not just remove it the same way apt-get was?
[17:01] <dulak> well here's to upgrades, let's hope I don't spend all day today fixing stuff
[17:01] <kronk2002de> hi
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> kronk
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> does the de in ur name mean "Delaware"
[17:01] <dr_willis> synaptic=apt-get basically. :) they do the same task
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> so it will also attack my gnome applets
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> as i thot
[17:01] <EyesOfARaven> how can i make evolution go away peacefully
[17:02] <kronk2002de> i have a problem with intreprid. i can't find pand anymore, but i need it for using my Internet Sharing on my HTC phone. Can anybody help me?
[17:02] <EyesOfARaven> kronk2002de: delaware?
[17:02] <kronk2002de> hi eyes
[17:02] <kronk2002de> sorry, de means Germany ;)
[17:02] <EyesOfARaven> damn, thot i knew u
[17:02] <EyesOfARaven> lol
[17:02] <mamers> hi all - 1st: thanks for the upcoming intrepid release!
[17:02] <dulak> dr_willis: servers don't seem that sluggish to me, getting about 1 meg/sec downloading right now
[17:02] <kronk2002de> sorry for lazy answers ;)
[17:03]  * Don_Miguel goes to check Evolution dependencies 
[17:03] <dr_willis> dulak,  ive had them be up/down all night. it may be the latest batch of updates going through
[17:03] <EyesOfARaven> don_miguel: ty
[17:03] <mamers> any idea if the udev-fix for is going to be included in the final release? (CD tray keeps closing after ejecting...)
[17:03] <dr_willis> I grabbed the isos via torrent faster then the serves.. but it took me 10 min/a dozen tries  to get the .torrent downloaded from a server
[17:04] <FFForever> can i encrypt all of /home if its its own partition?
[17:04] <FFForever> (and its in use right now...)
[17:05] <mamers> One problem I ran into after upgrading: The Network Connection on eth0 was broken. (I would have needed to manually configure it in the Network Manager - something I think many end-users might not be willing to do ...)
[17:05] <FFForever> ubuntu just downgraded my wine :(
[17:06] <mamers> I added a dhcp-line to /etc/network/interfaces, which solved the issue also.
[17:06] <kronk2002de> another question belongs to an access problem: i would like to use a Option 3G+ PCMCIA card - in 8.04 64bit edition the needed nozomi module is broken, so i changed to intreprid on beta status. in alpha version it was recognized right, since beta i get an "device /dev/noz0 not found", but it is available :(
[17:06] <mamers> Any idea on how to have Network Manager automatically use the network settings  --  they have worked out of the box with 8.04 before!
[17:07] <coppro> mamers: what did you do to get dhcp working?
[17:07] <coppro> I think I need to do that!
[17:07] <FFForever> mamers, network manager auto connects for me :/
[17:07] <coppro> for me, having networkmanager running prevents me from connecting, even manually
[17:08] <FFForever> coppro, if u killall nm-applet
[17:08] <kronk2002de> with wired networks i haven't any problems
[17:08] <FFForever> then dhclient eth0 does it work?
[17:08] <FFForever> kronk try searhing the help docs and the forums or post on the forums
[17:08] <coppro> FFForever: networkmanager keeps disassociating the network card
[17:08] <mamers> coppro: I added the lines "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "auto eth0" to /etc/network/interfaces
[17:08] <coppro> (wireless)
[17:09] <mamers> coppro: however, that's the *manual* kind of approach, that no end-user would do... (I don't care with my PC at home - still, it's not optimal)
[17:09] <kronk2002de> FFForever, i have searched on google and placed threads in ubuntu forum, but nobody can help me
[17:09] <kronk2002de> cause of that, i hoped I'll find anybody here, who can help me
[17:09] <FFForever> anyone know if i can remotely disable a pdf from my webserver?
[17:10] <mamers> FFForever, coppro: yes, "dhclient eth0" worked for me as well - but it's not permanent after next reboot.
[17:10] <FFForever> i only use wifi so i cant help you :(
[17:11] <FFForever> mamers so a simple fix would to write a bash script #!/bin/bash <newline> dhclient eth0 and add that as a startup script on login for your session :)
[17:11] <FFForever> mamers you might need root to run that command though so i would use a cron script instead and have it run that as root
[17:11] <FFForever> :D
[17:12] <mamers> FFForever :), 'course -- but tell this my mum ... :)
[17:12] <FFForever> i like quick and dirty fixes :D
[17:12] <mamers> Was just wondering if that's a problem others ran into as well. If so, IMHO it should be looked into for final release.
[17:12] <mamers> ( lol )
[17:13] <FFForever> mamers i have a better unfixed problem :D
[17:13] <FFForever> my boot/shutdown stalls till i hold down a key for 20secs
[17:13] <unavailable> www.myspace.com/yahushuah_hamessiach    <-- this page makes firefox hang really bad
[17:14] <coppro> I had a similar problem on 7.10 that I eventually fixed by making a script to connect and chmod -x /etc/init.d/NetworkManager
[17:14] <coppro> not at all optimal
[17:14] <mamers> FFForever, ouch! ... well, put our problems together, and a frustrated enduser (after not being able to connect to the web) can't even shut down the machine anymore !? ;)
[17:15] <FFForever> i found out i had to hold a key after pressing and holding my shutdown button the progress bar moved LOL
[17:15] <coppro> nope, that didn't help
[17:15] <mamers> any idea if so. is looking into the network thing? or whom to talk to?
[17:15] <coppro> while networkmanager is running
[17:15] <ratpoison> hello! ATI amd64 user. How is fglrx support on 8.10 RC1?
[17:15] <coppro> the wireless card refuses to stay associated to a network protocol
[17:15] <coppro> (iwconfig says unassociated rather than IEEE 802.11g)
[17:15] <coppro> I wonder if I reconfigure network-manager
[17:15] <kronk2002de> hi ratposon
[17:16] <kronk2002de> currently no fglrx module is available
[17:16] <mamers> coppro, do you only use wireless? or do you have the problem with ethernet as well?
[17:16] <coppro> mamers: haven't tried ethernet
[17:16] <FFForever> i use wifi :D
[17:16] <kronk2002de> but you can use the free modules until ATI provides a new module working with ne X.org
[17:16] <FFForever> mamers when i plug my eth in it works fine for me :/
[17:16] <FFForever> maybe its ur chipset
[17:16] <coppro> I don't think it'll be a problem though, as knetworkmanager seems capable of using dhcp
[17:16] <FFForever> what is the lspci for ur eth card?
[17:17] <FFForever> coppro this is for ubuntu not kubuntu....
[17:17] <coppro> FFForever: the problem is with NetworkManager, which is on both
[17:17] <coppro> nothing to do with the graphical interface; it's the daemon that's the trouble
[17:17] <ratpoison> according to this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=canonical_catalyst_811&num=1 there seems to be
[17:17] <ratpoison> can anyone verify that?
[17:17] <mamers> FFForever, chipset is nVidia (onboard). however, if I configure it "manually" in NetworkManager, it works. also, the line in interfaces works just fine. -> the chipset is supported properly (basically at least)
[17:18] <FFForever> mamers but what is the lspci of it?
[17:18] <mamers> FFForever  nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller
[17:18] <FFForever> mcp :(
[17:18] <mamers> FFForever (rev a3)
[17:19] <FFForever> i have a mcp67 :/
[17:19] <mamers> coppro: i have no idea about wireless stuff - whether we have the same problem, I don't know ... (might be a wireless-key-configuration-issue, or sth. different?)
[17:19] <coppro> mamers: no, it's not the key
[17:19] <mamers> FFForever: is that bad news?
[17:20] <coppro> network-manager just refuses to let the thing bind to a network properly
[17:20] <FFForever> mamers since i bought this laptop mcp has been nothing but hell for me :(
[17:21] <FFForever> mamers are you fully up2date?
[17:22] <batti5> why i can`t connect to online play with wormux
[17:22] <batti5> ?
[17:22] <mamers> coppro I got the error message "Updating connection failed: nm-ifupdown-connection.c.82 - connection update not supported (read-only).." when trying to change a different ethernet interface ... but this was statically configured in interfaces file ... perhaps this error only occurs if the device is already listed manually in interfaces ... you get a similar error?
[17:22] <coppro> hmm... where did you see that?
[17:23] <FFForever> batti5, last time i checked wormux didn't have online support (yet...)
[17:23] <mamers> FFForever - have just updated any new packages 2 hours ago ... trying again.
[17:23] <kronk2002de> is anybody with a intrepid 64bit here?
[17:23] <dr_willis> kronk2002de,  yes.. it works fine for me.. support in #ubuntu+1
[17:23] <dr_willis> :)
[17:23] <kronk2002de> hi dr_willis
[17:24] <mamers> coppro when trying to modify "eth1" properties from "static" to "dhcp". (which I actually didn't want to do anyway, since I needed DHCP for "eth0", not "eth1"... however, found out about this later and "fixed" the eth0-problem with interfaces-entry above)
[17:24] <kronk2002de> i am in ubuntu+1 ;)
[17:24] <FFForever> has flash started support 64bit on ubuntu yet?
[17:24] <dr_willis> FFForever,  it works here.. for me.. support in.. oh wait......
[17:24] <dr_willis> :)
[17:24] <coppro> hmm... I'm going to try again
[17:24] <coppro> this time watching my logs
[17:24] <kronk2002de> i would like to know, if you have the pand binary available?
[17:24] <dr_willis> its using the 32bit compat libs however.
[17:24] <FFForever> tail -n FTW!
[17:24] <dr_willis> pand? never heard of it.. :)
[17:24] <FFForever> pand?
[17:24] <mamers> coppro: this popped up in gnome as an error notification window
[17:25] <FFForever> anyone know where i can get free binarys of john the ripper :D
[17:25] <kronk2002de> until 8.04 it was located in bluez-utils package
[17:25] <dr_willis> Bluetooth PAN daemon version 3.26
[17:25] <coppro> mamers: I'm not on gnome
[17:25] <dr_willis> its installed. :)
[17:25] <FFForever> i wanna see how fast it can crack my password lol
[17:25] <kronk2002de> with it i can use the Internet Sharing on my HTC phone
[17:25] <coppro> tail -n? tail -f!
[17:25] <mamers> FFForever, yes, all packages are up to date - AFAIC see, no related packages have changed since I upgraded yesterday evening.
[17:25] <kronk2002de> better to say, with it i can enter a PAN with my phone
[17:26] <kronk2002de> it IS available for you, dr_wiliis?
[17:26] <FFForever> mamers there is nothing u can do but wait :(
[17:26] <mamers> coppro checking...
[17:26] <dr_willis> kronk2002de,  its installed. it seems..
[17:26] <mamers> FFForever - can I file some information somewhere?
[17:26] <kronk2002de> damn, could you locate the package, where it is in?
[17:26] <dr_willis> Oh waiot.. thats the fileserver.. ;) its not 8.10 yet
[17:26] <kronk2002de> ahhhh
[17:26] <dr_willis> i got the wrong ssh shell open
[17:26] <kronk2002de> no problem
[17:27] <dr_willis> this is the reason for Vastly different/color prompts on each machine. :)
[17:27] <FFForever> mamers u could file a bug report
[17:27] <kronk2002de> ROFL
[17:27] <kronk2002de> yes, it can also be bad, that everything works well good together *smile*
[17:28] <FFForever> dr_willis, i have a better one for you :), i did a ssh into an ssh into an ssh into an ssh and i wanted to install something forgetting i was on another machine....
[17:28] <FFForever> i installed it and couldn't figure out why it still said it was uninstalled....
[17:28] <dr_willis> well on 8.10  64bit - i type 'pand' and it dont tellme where to find the command..  i just get command not found.
[17:28] <dulak> anyone have a sharp knife and a live chicken I can borrow?  upgrade is proceeding...
[17:29] <peter771> is it worth upgrading from 7.10 to 8.10 yet or waiting until the final release to make a decision?
[17:29] <dr_willis> FFForever,  dont 'ssh -X' to a machine and run syngery either....
[17:29] <mamers> coppro can't find this exact error message in /var/log, sorry.
[17:29] <dr_willis> FFForever,  that confused things
[17:29] <kronk2002de> yes, same here - about three weeks ago it tells me, that i have to install bluez-utils package, but it was installed *grml*
[17:29] <FFForever> dr_willis, i don't use -X
[17:29] <mamers> coppro, don't really know how to reproduce (since my NetworkManager has disappeared from Gnome-panel after my interfaces-entries)
[17:29] <dr_willis> FFForever,  the mouse started going from one side of the screen to the middle and back real fast. :) it was amuseing.
[17:30] <FFForever> sounds fun :D
[17:30] <dr_willis> syngery  - is a neat tool
[17:30] <FFForever> mamers you could disable it :D
[17:30] <FFForever> dr_willis, syngery is fun :D
[17:30] <FFForever> i had 4 computers with it :D
[17:30] <kronk2002de> mamers, for me the NetworkManager appears for every connection, i use - still on time i use it
[17:31] <coppro> there is nothing unusual in my logs
[17:31] <kronk2002de> so i get a new nm icon, if i just plug a network cable in
[17:31] <coppro> just with networkmanager active, the dhcp fails
[17:31] <FFForever> anyways back to learning python :D
[17:31] <dulak> peter771: you'll have to upgrade to 8.04 to be able to upgrade to 8.10 afaik
[17:32] <dr_willis> for some odd reason (i have kde and gnome bothinstalled) i get 2 network manager icons on the top panel. :) and if using wirless.. i get 2 stregenth meters..
[17:32] <dulak> peter771: unless you are gonna clean install instead of upgrade
[17:32] <mamers> hmm - I don't really trust this automagical things anyway (no offense!) :)
[17:32] <mamers> too many issues I could misconfigure ;)
[17:32] <peter771> dulak, I'm just going to do a fresh install
[17:33] <adz21c> Hi, I am having issues with my Xonar D2 sound card and interpid. Basically first time I installed it didn't (even though after upgrading to alsa 1.0.17 on hardy it worked, 1.0.17 didn't work on interpid), so I tried upgrading alsa to 1.0.18rc3, that worked for 1 boot, after reboot it failed. Then I reinstalled interpid, it was working for several boots last night. I log on now, no sound again, anyone have any ideas?
[17:33] <peter771> dulak, would you say the RC is close enough to the final version to use now?
[17:33] <adz21c> ^ didn't work I mean :)
[17:34] <dulak> peter771: I'm upgrading right now, I'll tell you in a few
[17:34] <kronk2002de> hey peter, it's better to not use non-stable releases on systems you use productive
[17:34] <adz21c> oh and after reinstall it was working on 1.0.17 shipped with intrepid ... it is as if it works when it decides to.
[17:34] <coppro> I do that
[17:35] <coppro> I always upgrade a week or so early to avoid the rush and the overnight (or worse) downloads
[17:35] <dulak> coppro: that's exactly why I'm upgrading today
[17:35] <coppro> and it's not like much changes at this point
[17:35] <mamers> kronk2002de did you do anything special? if I check my processes, there are "NetworkManager" and "nm-system-settings" running...
[17:35] <kronk2002de> nope
[17:36] <kronk2002de> but - for first connection - i had to start networkmanager manually, then i have edited my wlan settings and it worked for me
[17:37] <coppro> kronk2002de: what do you mean "edited my wlan settings?"
[17:37] <kronk2002de> do you have more than one connection, mamers?
[17:37] <mamers> yupp, eth0 (dhcp -> stopped working with upgrade) and eth1 (statically configured for local network)
[17:37] <kronk2002de> coppro, after first upgrade to intrepid, i can't see my wlan, cause it was using channel 13
[17:38] <coppro> ah. That's not the problem I'm having
[17:38] <kronk2002de> then i re-installed 8.04, found the hint that 12 and 13 are hided
[17:38] <ali1234> mamers: think i have the same problem as you
[17:38] <kronk2002de> so, i reconfigured my wlan
[17:38] <kronk2002de> then upgraded to intrepid again, but can't see nm
[17:39] <mamers> ali1234 what did you do to get your network up and running again?
[17:39] <kronk2002de> on this time, i've started networkmanager manually
[17:39] <ali1234> mamers: i disabled network manager and manually configured everything
[17:39] <dulak> 12 and 13 have major problems with cordless phone interference, that's why they are not accessible by default
[17:39] <kronk2002de> configured my wlan settings and from this time, it works fine
[17:39] <dulak> yer basically begging for any neighbor with the right cordless phone to totally jack your wireless whenever they use the phone
[17:39] <theunixgeek> How many wallpapers come pre-installed in the release candidate?
[17:39] <mamers> ali1234 (what I did was to manually configure eth0 for DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces, but that's nothing an end-user would do ...)
[17:39] <kronk2002de> dulak, i've read, that the problem is, that, eg. the police uses the frequences
[17:40] <mamers> kronk2002de: when I manually added eth0 to the network manager, the connection worked, yes.
[17:40] <ali1234> mamers: my problem is eth0 is configured for dhcp and usb0 is static, and is not an internet connection. but whenever i plug in the usb device, it creates a default route (even though i did not specify one in the static config in /etc/network/interfaces) and it also wipes out my resolv.conf
[17:40] <dulak> I don't know about that but I thought I'd be slick and use 13 to hide my wireless from casual snooping
[17:41] <dulak> every time my g/f would use the phone my wireless would go down
[17:41] <mamers> kronk2002de, however, I think it's a problem that the network just "stopped working" after the upgrade -- since it *did* work with 8.04 beforehand.
[17:41] <kronk2002de> hmm, does other connections works for you from then on?
[17:41] <dulak> so I was down about 60% of the day
[17:41] <ali1234> mamers: so every time i plug the usb device, i have to reconfigure eth0 etc. or just disable network manager
[17:41] <kronk2002de> yes, for wlan i can say the same for me - but i haven't checked it with wired connection
[17:42] <mamers> ali1234, I can't really remember the exact route anymore, I think it was set to the local eth1-network.
[17:43] <ali1234> well this is interesting. the crash report thing says pidgin has crashed
[17:43] <ali1234> but if it's crashed, how come i'm still here?
[17:43] <mamers> ali1234, however, eth0 was not listed in NetworkManager at all after the upgrade ... "ifconfig" did show the interface, but it had a wrong IP address (and the default route should have pointed to eth0-network ...)
[17:44] <mamers> ali1234: AFAICT eth0 just didn't use DHCP -- which is why it could not work properly then, of course.
[17:44] <ali1234> mamers: i also did not have the problem in hardy
[17:45] <ali1234> mamers: network manager just crashed on me anyway :/
[17:46] <mamers> ali1234 hmm, seems the NetworkManager might be problematic in some situations... ?
[17:46] <ali1234> seems like every time i boot up at least one program crashes before i get to desktop. usually network manager applet, but sometimes the volume control or another gtk app
[17:46] <mamers> ali1234: however, I don't have a real solution for my problem ... just a manual workaround.
[17:46] <ali1234> mamers: oh yeah... very much so
[17:47] <mamers> ali1234 have you tried a new user-profile already? (same problem there as well?)
[17:47] <ali1234> mamers: i dont have any per user settings for nm
[17:47] <mamers> (or does th eproblem occur even before you log in?)
[17:48] <ali1234> mamers: eth0 is still configured exactly as it was when i first installed and usb0 is configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:48] <ali1234> mamers: the problem occurs any time i unplug and plug in the usb device
[17:49] <mamers> ali1234, I'm not sure, but the setting "[ifupdown] managed=false" in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf might have something to do with this ...
[17:49] <ali1234> mamers: but then... the usb wouldn't come up at all when i pluged it
[17:49] <mamers> ali1234 whether it means not to use NM for interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces, or the other way 'round, I don't know ...
[17:49] <ali1234> mamers: the problem is that it comes up, but then a default route gets created which i dont want
[17:50] <ali1234> mamers: and which i did not ask for. and also my resolv.conf gets wiped, because i did not specify any name servers on that interface, because there arn't any
[17:50] <mamers> ali1234 you might try to tell NM *not* to handle anything with the usb-stuff.
[17:51] <mamers> ali1234 as you might have guessed, i don't know about the NM either ;), ... but perhaps changing the property above from false to true or the other way round might help (!?)
[17:51] <ali1234> mamers: i will give it a try
[17:51] <ali1234> mamers: but i suspect that will be the same as disabling nm entirely ie i will have to manually ifconfig it every time
[17:52] <coppro> ali1234: try making a script; that's what I did
[17:52] <peter771> I'm running 7.10 and thinking about upgrading to 8.10 (fresh install), is it worth waiting until the final release or is 8.10 pretty much ready now in its RC stage?
[17:53] <kronk2002de> bye @all
[17:53] <mamers> ali1234, did you tell NM anything about your usb-device?
[17:53] <mamers> bye kronk2002de, thanks!
[17:53] <ali1234> mamers: no, and if i do, it forgets it all as soon as i replug it
[17:53] <ali1234> no
[17:54] <ali1234> mamers: so... nm-applet has crashed
[17:54] <td123> so is the dark theme going to be the default for 8.10? just curious
[17:55] <mamers> ali1234 hmm, sorry, no idea there ... thought that /usr/share/doc/network-manager/* might hold usefull information, but I'm not sure it helps.
[17:56] <mamers> ali1234 need to go again ... let's hope the package maintainers can find the time to look into the NetworkManager again until the final release...
[17:56] <mamers> bye everybody
[17:58] <ali1234> coppro: what kind of script?
[17:58] <bsnider> is there an ubuntu mac channel?
[18:01] <acksaw> hey guys, trying to get my wireless card working, not sure where to start, currently using a crossover from my Vista PC and ICS... my wireless card is a F5D7000 and i think the version is 1010
[18:01] <ali1234> wow, i dont know if an update fixed it or something but it seems to be working now
[18:02] <vincenzo_ml> Hi there, I am using intrepid under a virtual machine under windows because of broken intel wireless drivers under linux. Do some of you know how to make it access physical ext3 devices that windows does obviously not use?
[18:03] <falstaff> hello
[18:03] <td123> vincenzo_ml: there is no software that does what you want
[18:04] <falstaff> i installed ibex rc1 today and i have no virtual terminals. I have to say that this laptop is new, so it might be a problem which exists since a longer time...
[18:04] <falstaff> any idea?
[18:04] <vincenzo_ml> td123: what do you mean? Is there no way to map physical partitions to virtual devices in linux? did you already try to do this?
[18:04] <falstaff> Ctrl+Alt+F1 shows nothing than a blank screen, no cursor, absolutely nothing...
[18:04] <td123> vincenzo_ml: actually, you could try using the ext mount utils for windows, mount them, and create a transparent folder with virtualbox pointing to the mounted ext partition.... It might just work :D
[18:04] <falstaff> I have a nvidia graphic card and use nvidia binary driver
[18:05] <vincenzo_ml> td123: that would mess up permissions!
[18:05] <falstaff> ubuntuforums shows some solution, i tried this (fbcon, vga=791 kernel parameter) didnt work....
[18:05] <falstaff> Any idea?
[18:05] <vincenzo_ml> td123: however I can't believe nobody thought of this
[18:05] <td123> vincenzo_ml: I don't speak for everyone...
[18:05] <bsnider> falstaff, what graphics card is this?
[18:05] <falstaff> bsnider: nvidia
[18:05] <falstaff> bsnider: nvidia quadro fx 770
[18:06] <vincenzo_ml> td123: ok I see. Thank you in any case
[18:06] <td123> vincenzo_ml: so what if it messes up permissions though... just don't do anything like rm -rf /
[18:06] <vincenzo_ml> td123: I want to share my home directory and there are posix permissions
[18:06] <bsnider> falstaff, you need the 177 driver for that
[18:06] <vincenzo_ml> if I mount trough windows I don't think I can see modes
[18:07] <td123> vincenzo_ml: well windows is the problem then...
[18:07] <falstaff> bsnider: yes, i have this driver
[18:07] <falstaff> bsnider: nvidia-settings says 177.80
[18:07] <bsnider> falstaff, and then you need a working xorg.conf file to tell x to load it
[18:07] <vincenzo_ml> td123: it is, absolutely :) however ubuntu is a bigger problem - I NEVER use windows, I never did serious work under windows for a decade. But since when intel open-sourced their drivers, I can't work anymore
[18:08] <td123> vincenzo_ml: did you try googling it?
[18:08] <vincenzo_ml> td123: yes and I will now retry :=
[18:08] <vincenzo_ml> )
[18:08] <falstaff> bsnider: im pretty sure this driver is in use at the moment, nvidia-settings wouldnt work otherwise...
[18:08] <bsnider> good
[18:08] <bsnider> then you're all seet
[18:10] <vincenzo_ml> bye all, rebooting and then back
[18:10] <falstaff> bsnider: what can i check else? boot splash screen works, so framebuffer seems to work right? When i press Ctrl+Alt+F1 then he does nothing for a few seconds. Then the display switches to black (its more if the screen goes off then displaying black...)
[18:17] <superkiwi> Hello, i'm installing ubuntu 8.10 rc server. Why does not 'install automatic updates' and 'basecamp (or whatever it was called (landscape?)) not have a 'go back' option like the rest of the menus?. It is complaining about inserting another cd, I don't have it and I must start ALL over again. Is there a way to go back?
[18:18] <SBTooth> howdy folks... anyone with experience with the new atheros drivers?
[18:19] <danage> SBTooth: yes, unfortunately
[18:19] <danage> please state your problems
[18:19] <adz21c> Hi, I am having issues with my Xonar D2 sound card. Basically first time I installed ubuntu interpid it didn't work at all (even though after upgrading to alsa 1.0.17 on ubuntu hardy it worked, 1.0.17 didn't work on interpid), so I tried upgrading alsa to 1.0.18rc3, that worked for 1 boot, after reboot it failed. Then I reinstalled interpid (moving me back to the 1.0.17 shipped with intrepid), it was working for several boots last
[18:19] <adz21c> night, watched a DVD etc. I log on now, no sound again, anyone have any ideas?
[18:20] <danage> SBTooth: lspci -nv |grep 168c
[18:21] <SBTooth> 01:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01)
[18:22] <danage> yes
[18:22] <danage> ath5k will support it
[18:22] <danage> or wait
[18:22] <danage> madwifi
[18:22] <danage> SBTooth: you speak german?
[18:22] <danage> actually, both should support it but ath5k is too buggy at the moment. you can use a madwifi snapshot
[18:23] <SBTooth> ath5k is great when it is working
[18:24] <danage> it doesnt at the moment
[18:24] <danage> grab a hal 10 snapshot and modprobe it in
[18:26] <eagles0513875> i just upgraded to the rc from hardy and now i have no network connection what so ever
[18:27] <eagles0513875> ifconfig is still showing i have my static ip
[18:28] <eagles0513875> anyone i need this back up urgently
[18:29] <NET||abuse1> Hey guys. i just got a eeepc 1000h, want to put ubuntu on it, was thinking of using ibex. It has no cd drive usb cd drive, how can i do this without a cd?
[18:29] <mnemoc> NET||abuse1: usb stick?
[18:30] <NET||abuse1> hmm, that's a thought, how big is the install image? and can i make my usb stick bootable?
[18:30] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 get a usb cd drive i have worked on setting up one of those for a customer at least setting him up with audacity but i used a usb cd drive if that is an option
[18:30] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 u can google making my pen drive bootable
[18:31] <eagles0513875> i just upgraded from ibex using cdless upgrade and network and now i have no access to the internet after upgrading how can i fix this
[18:32] <NET||abuse1> how big is the ubuntu image?
[18:32] <Guest77984> anyone answer a questions about why xorg.conf appears to be default?
[18:33] <mnemoc> Guest77984: xorg 7.4 is supposed to not need it
[18:33] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 not sure
[18:33] <eagles0513875> !persistence | NET||abuse1
[18:33] <eagles0513875> !usbpersistence | NET||abuse1
[18:33] <Guest77984> i load nvidia 177 and x cant find screens
[18:34] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 there was a link to where u can make a persistent install of kubuntu on a pen drive but i cant seem to be able to bring it up
[18:34] <NET||abuse1> i see
[18:34] <freeksh0w86> Is anyone getting the busybox prompt with 8.10 RC live cd? I get busybox after it does messages about "ext3" or whatever. openSUSE 11.1 beta boots just fine, however.
[18:35] <superkiwi> Hello, i'm installing Ubuntu 8.10 server edition, and the text installer is telling me to insert "ubuntu-Server 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release Candidate i386 (2008122.1)'. Ugh? It's only one cd available at the official website, and it is in the cdrom.
[18:35] <NET||abuse1> is there anyway to just load the disk image onto the hard drive, and install by mounting the disc image inline then install?
[18:35] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 i dunno
[18:37] <NET||abuse1> The thing has xp on it, so maybe there's a way to setup an install from the hard drive? ... naw..
[18:37] <Guest77984> doesn't appear that 7.10 likes nvidia
[18:37] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 im not sure tbh
[18:37] <eagles0513875> Guest77984 i have 177 install just fine
[18:37] <Tom_Davis> question: will the linksys wpc54g pcmcia wireless adapter work this time?
[18:38] <NET||abuse1> I lonly other question i have is,, on the eee 1000h, Hardy or Ibex?
[18:38] <Guest77984> what card are you running?
[18:38] <eagles0513875> only issue i had was my mouse and keyboard wouldnt work so i restored my backup x11.conf file over the corg.conf
[18:38] <eagles0513875> Guest77984 8800gt
[18:38] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 hardy
[18:38] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: really?
[18:38] <superkiwi> The 8.10 server edition is fail.
[18:38] <Guest77984> same
[18:38] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: is there issues?
[18:38] <Tom_Davis> its fail?
[18:39] <Tom_Davis> how so?
[18:39] <superkiwi> it complains about putting my cd in. It's allready in
[18:39] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 from just upgrading from hardy to intrepid im seeing more issues with intrepid then i was with hardy
[18:39] <danage> SBTooth: you won't be very lucky then
[18:39] <danage> as they are taking ath5k out of intrepid
[18:40] <Guest77984> they only goofy thing i can think it might be is the bios sets 0:5:0 as the lead slot...sli board
[18:40] <superkiwi> as I see in the console, /cdrom is empty. Seem like it's not mounted or somethn.
[18:40] <Tom_Davis> !
[18:40] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: oh? I'm on interpid on my desktop, loving it,, some small nvidia glitches, but i'll likely not be able to run compiz on the eee
[18:40] <eagles0513875> Guest77984 sli board as well didnt change anything in bios using default in there
[18:40] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: alot of updates is the only issue at the moment, 5 days to launch i suppose means it's busy
[18:40] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: what issues you got?
[18:40] <eagles0513875> only problem im having is no connectivity with a wired network
[18:41] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 no connectivity im on my laptop atm
[18:41] <eagles0513875> desktop has no connection at all
[18:41] <eagles0513875> its like the network modules were never loaded into the kernel
[18:41] <NET||abuse1> just realised the eee has an sd card slot.... can you boot from sd?
[18:41] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 only way to know is to try but tbh i dunno
[18:41] <pen> hi
[18:41] <eagles0513875> never tried
[18:42] <Guest77984> I'll try it again
[18:42] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: google says you can
[18:42] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 i would google around on www.google.com/linux
[18:43] <eagles0513875> searches all linux related websites
[18:43] <NET||abuse1> hmm, i have an 8GB SD, but i have an issue in that I still have to restore photos from that whicih I deleted on the girlf friend.
[18:43] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: it seems that to boot ubuntu you need at least 2GB SD or USB
[18:43] <pen> how to suspend susccessfully?
[18:43] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: hmm, nice .. worth a look
[18:43] <pen> I can't resume most of the time
[18:44] <pen> or I haven't successfully resume from suspend since I install 8.10 RC
[18:44] <eagles0513875> tbh compared to me ur issues arent as frustrating
[18:44] <eagles0513875> pen i have no network connectivity since i upgraded to 10
[18:44] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: a good tool for recovering deleted jpegs is called foremost
[18:44] <eagles0513875> fyi thats off topic guys
[18:44] <pen> eagles0513875: what card do you have
[18:45] <pen> ali1234: how do you recover that? that's cool
[18:45] <pen> ali1234: foremost?
[18:45] <eagles0513875> pen network card is built onto mobo which is an asus p5n-d
[18:45] <ali1234> pen: it uses libmagic and greps through the raw disk image for any kind of files
[18:46] <ali1234> at least i think it uses libmagic... maybe it has it's own implementation
[18:46] <pen> eagles0513875: integrated card usually work...
[18:46] <NET||abuse1> ali1234: foremost work on linux?
[18:46] <eagles0513875> pen thsi has occured since i upgraded to intrepid bout 2 hrs ago
[18:46] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: only on linux afaik
[18:47] <NET||abuse1> ohh, ok,, will it work on an sd card?
[18:47] <pen> eagles0513875: maybe you shouldn't upgrade? I don't know why but ubuntu upgrade is terrible
[18:47] <pen> never in my life time I can successfully upgrade without any problems
[18:47] <NET||abuse1> ali1234: awsome,, if i get my eee installed and running, with the built in sd port... i can use that to try get photos back... awsome
[18:47] <pen> it's really annoying
[18:47] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: yes it should. dont have the disk mounted while you run it though (it operates on the raw device node)
[18:47] <NET||abuse1> yeh, perfect.
[18:48] <eagles0513875> pen that makes me feel better
[18:48] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:48] <NET||abuse1> ali1234: thanks for that golden nuget :P)
[18:48] <NET||abuse1> right, have to blow outa here..
[18:48] <pen> eagles0513875: lol
[18:48] <ali1234> NET||abuse1: oh one other thing, it doesnt distinguish between deleted/undeleted files...
[18:49] <pen> eagles0513875: I don't understand why can't ubuntu upgrade be more graceful
[18:49] <pen> but if you install from scratch, it always work perfectly
[18:49] <eagles0513875> ya
[18:50] <eagles0513875> and i dont wanna i got tons of data on here
[18:50] <NET||abuse1> just found a 150/160GB wd passport drive,
[18:50] <NET||abuse1> take stuff off that and boot from it.
[18:50] <NET||abuse1> make it into boot drive?
[18:51] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse1 i tried that idea with a usb external drive it didnt work for me
[18:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:51] <eagles0513875> then again its been a while since i tried it
[18:51] <NET||abuse1> eagles0513875: awwww.
[18:51] <DanaG> Your system has to support USB boot.
[18:51] <ali1234> pxe boot is handy for these laptops with no cdrom...
[18:51] <NET||abuse1> ali1234: pxe?
[18:51] <NET||abuse1> ali1234: must google.
[18:51] <DanaG> Are you talking about installing FROM, or installing TO, USB?
[18:51] <pen> NET||abuse1: it's possible
[18:52] <eagles0513875> talking bout installing kubuntu or ubuntu to an external usb hd then booting from it
[18:52] <DanaG> Should be just as easy as installing to an internal drive.
[18:52] <DanaG> You just have to have a system that supports booting from USB.
[18:52] <ali1234> ie anything less than about 8 years old
[18:53] <eagles0513875> DanaG tried that with my other lappy which is 3 yrs old and it didnt work
[18:53] <pen> it works for me
[18:53] <mnemoc> it's more probable that a device support usb booting than pxe booting
[18:54] <pen> you just need your BIOS to support USB booting
[18:54] <DanaG> On my laptop, I have to hit F12 (or was it F10?) to trigger the boot menu.
[18:55] <mnemoc> on mine it's F8 :p
[18:55] <danage> eagles0513875: it is entirely possible and as DanaG said, quite easy
[18:56] <pen> mine is F9
[18:56] <unavailable> how do i get kdm out of the shutdown reference?
[18:56] <DanaG> I can also set boot order, but I don't want it to always USB-boot.
[18:56] <danage> you can also permanently configure the computer so it will boot from usb first
[18:56] <danage> ^^
[18:56] <MellowDude> i need some help with KDE4
[18:57] <danage> ANY bios does, today
[18:57] <MellowDude> how i edit the xor.conf
[18:57] <unavailable> i tried out kdm and didnt like it (wayy to slow, considering i have a 2.54 ghz with 4gig ram)  so I uninstalled it, but on shutdown, i still see "shutting down KDM - kdm not running"
[18:57] <MellowDude> how i edit the xorg.conf
[18:58] <Tukon> hi all
[18:58] <TuxSympathiser> considering 8.10 is in RC and I'm impatient would upgrading now instead of when it is finally released be wise?
[18:58] <Tukon> i installed kubuntu 8.10 rc
[18:58] <unavailable> i tried out kdm and didnt like it (wayy to slow, considering i have a 2.54 ghz with 4gig ram)  so I uninstalled it, but on shutdown, i still see "shutting down KDM - kdm not running"
[18:59] <Tukon> how can i get adept to install koffice 2 beta
[18:59] <Tukon> i added the repo
[18:59] <nevoeiro> hi again. a bug that was solved with hardy seems to be back again in intrepid. ksoftirqd/1 is always "eating" cpu, in this case it varies between 13% and 20%...
[18:59] <Tukon> but koffice-kde4 isnt showing up in the package list
[19:00] <Tukon> any bright ideas anyone?
[19:00] <unavailable> how do i remove kdm from the shutdown script
[19:01] <nevoeiro> hmm, second.. where's the pdf printer? can't find it anymore
[19:02] <nevoeiro> *sigh*
[19:02] <Pazzo> Hi @ll - installed latest Intrepid upgrades today, it messed up my sound support :-( Volume, mixers etc are ok, but there are just strange noises, no sound anymore (Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook E-Series). Is anyone els experiencing the same problem?
[19:06] <eagles0513875> any network buffs here i have no connection after upgrading to rc
[19:07] <unavailable> whats your hardware?
[19:07] <eagles0513875> the network card is integrated onto the motherboard
[19:07] <eagles0513875> and hardy evrything was working fine
[19:08] <eagles0513875> all of a sudden after upgrading to intrepid rc its no longer working
[19:08] <NET||abuse> rc?
[19:08] <eagles0513875> can ping my gateway fine my isps name servers i can ping as well
[19:08] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse release client
[19:08] <NET||abuse> ohh,, gotit
[19:08] <apw> release candidate?
[19:09] <eagles0513875> either one is right
[19:09] <eagles0513875> any ideas unavailable
[19:09] <apw> eagles0513875:  lspci | grep Network ?
[19:10] <unavailable> lshw
[19:10] <ali1234> eagles0513875: can you ping by hostname?
[19:10] <eagles0513875> ali1234 only by ip
[19:10] <unavailable> if its onboard, i would think lshw would find it
[19:11] <unavailable> set yer dns servers?
[19:11] <ali1234> eagles0513875: is /etc/resolv.conf correct?
[19:11] <eagles0513875> unavailable dont need to i have my router set to autoconfig from my isp
[19:11] <eagles0513875> ali1234 let me check
[19:12] <unavailable> set yer dns server to your router...
[19:12] <eagles0513875> unavailable im using my isps
[19:12] <eagles0513875> ali1234 what should be in the resolv.conf
[19:12] <eagles0513875> right now all it says # generated by networkmanager
[19:12] <unavailable> yes, but if your computer doesnt know where to look...
[19:12] <ali1234> eagles0513875: "nameserver <ip>"
[19:13] <eagles0513875> ali1234 the ips of both my isps ns's
[19:13] <unavailable> you need to manually specify that the computer ask the router, which in turn asks the isp.
[19:13] <EyesOfARaven> --- evolution email client starts whenever i plug my laptop into AC power, and it's pissing me off ---
[19:13] <eagles0513875> there isnt that option on my router
[19:13] <joaopinto> grrr, I finally have skype working, need to kill pulseaudio
[19:13] <batti5> its possible to have snow or rain on the desktop?
[19:14] <unavailable> your router is set to autoconfig - for your network your router is the dns server
[19:14] <ali1234> eagles0513875: so resolv.conf is blank apart from the # comment?
[19:14] <eagles0513875> unavailable so i need to add to resolv.conf the router ip
[19:14] <unavailable> i would give it a try.
[19:15] <ali1234> eagles0513875: if your router is doing dhcp you do not need to edit resolv.conf
[19:15] <unavailable> ive had problems that were solved with that resolution before
[19:15] <EyesOfARaven> |--- I demand someone tell me how to get evolution off of my PC without ruining GNOME, as it is infuriatingly popping up whenever I plug in my laptop ---|
[19:15] <unavailable> can you ping google's ip addy?
[19:15] <eagles0513875> unavailable let me try restart my network here
[19:15] <unavailable> 216.239.51.99
[19:16] <EyesOfARaven> halp mi plox
[19:16] <unavailable> any1 know how to remove the reference to kdm from the shutdown script(s)
[19:17] <eagles0513875> btw its not working with what i put in resolv.conf
[19:17] <eagles0513875> wtf there is a huge bug here
[19:17] <EyesOfARaven> HALLPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[19:17] <eagles0513875> !patience | EyesOfARaven
[19:17] <EyesOfARaven> my patience died with the fact that ive been asking three different channels for 3 hours, eagles0513875
[19:18] <coppro> unavailable: Remove the init.d script?
[19:18] <unavailable> and which one would it be?
[19:19] <unavailable> and where would it be located?
[19:19] <EyesOfARaven> /etc/init.d/
[19:19] <coppro> does anyone know how to get firefox to stop using the OS theme for elements like buttons and other form fields?
[19:19] <coppro> unavailable: that will also stop the startup
[19:20] <coppro> and it's probably safer just to chmod -x it, so that it's still available
[19:20] <unavailable> but i uninstalled kdm
[19:20] <EyesOfARaven> --- evolution email client starts whenever i plug my laptop into AC power, and it's pissing me off ---
[19:20] <coppro> EyesOfARaven: that is bizarre
[19:20] <coppro> no clue how to fix, sadly :(
[19:20] <unavailable> coppro so if i remove kdm from init.d it will never reference kdm again??
[19:20] <EyesOfARaven> indeed it is bizarre
[19:20] <EyesOfARaven> i hate it
[19:21] <coppro> unavailable: yes, probably
[19:21] <EyesOfARaven> coppro: any idea how to get rid of evolution without breaking anythin?
[19:21] <EyesOfARaven> i do NOT need or want it
[19:21] <unavailable> and why, when i totally removed kde and kdm, its still there
[19:21] <apw> EyesOfARaven:  only when you plug it in?  not when you remove it?
[19:21] <EyesOfARaven> i believe so
[19:21] <EyesOfARaven> ill test that now
[19:21] <coppro> EyesOfARaven: sudo apt-get remove evolution?
[19:21] <eagles0513875> EyesOfARaven report a bug on launchpad.net
[19:21] <EyesOfARaven> yes only when i plug it in
[19:22] <EyesOfARaven> coppro: that removes extra stuff
[19:22] <kulight> !info
[19:22] <coppro> EyesOfARaven: like what?
[19:22] <EyesOfARaven> ubuntu-desktop metapackage, gnome-panel-applets
[19:22] <unimatrix9> you could just remove it from the gnome menu
[19:22] <coppro> the first one doesn't matter in the slightest
[19:22] <EyesOfARaven> it is running itself
[19:22] <coppro> dunno about the second
[19:22] <batti5> why wont xsnow work?
[19:22] <coppro> be right back, I have to reboot firefox
[19:23] <Pazzo> Hmmm... I've read large parts of todays channel log, seems that there are a lot of people (like me) with no more sound after doing upgrades between yesterday and today...
[19:23] <EyesOfARaven> well
[19:23] <EyesOfARaven> it removes 128MB of 'stuff'
[19:23] <EyesOfARaven> which doesnt sound like an email client to me
[19:23] <Pazzo> ...same thing for me, settings are fine, drivers and controls give no error - but there is no more sound. If I raise the volume I can hear some strange rumor...
[19:24] <EyesOfARaven> well, wth, ill apt-get remove it
[19:24] <PlutoPrime> Anyone has gotten a Pinnacle PCTV Pro HD USB Tuner working in 8.10?
[19:24] <EyesOfARaven> and if anything happens i will just reinstall it
[19:24] <Pazzo> ...is here anyone aware of news / workarounds for this issues? This is really annoying
[19:24] <alka_trash> hey guys I'm having a little Intrepid bug,  "Gave up waiting for root device. " then it drop to busybox. I can boot to the hardy kernel. but this seems like a little bit of a show stopper.  any suggestions?  Thanks
[19:25] <alka_trash> I checked the uuids and they are correct
[19:25] <EyesOfARaven> wow, apparently sometime during my mucking with evolution trying to get rid of it
[19:25] <EyesOfARaven> i installed it OUTSIDE of ubuntu-desktop
[19:25] <EyesOfARaven> and now it only will uninstall itself
[19:25] <EyesOfARaven> i win
[19:25] <alka_trash> If I manually try to boot with grub, it still kicks me out too.
[19:26] <apw> what is your root disk?
[19:27] <alka_trash> it's listed as /devhda ,
[19:27] <alka_trash> just s laptop harddrive
[19:28] <unavailable> coppro and why, when i totally removed kde and kdm, its still there
[19:28] <alka_trash> the controller is sda though
[19:28]  * EyesOfARaven makes firefox go away
[19:28] <EyesOfARaven> seamonkey ftw
[19:28] <spiderwort> Hi guys...I'm trying to install intrepid and grub fails to install. I need to gather some information for the bug report because "it doesn't work" is useless to everyone. What logs from the installation might be of use?
[19:29] <alka_trash> the funny thing is that I can browse to it with grub and kick off the latest kernel, but it still fails  (FAIL)
[19:29] <coppro> unavailable: yeah, I've noticed the init.d scripts don't get removed for some reason
[19:29] <coppro> report a bug
[19:30] <prometheanfire> can anyone load the nvidia module on boot?
[19:31] <Pazzo> Regarding the sound issue: manually switching to OSS helps, using auto (or pulse) gives me nothing but noise. Worked fine 'til yesterday
[19:31] <jum-chron> hello, I upgraded from hardy to ibex successfully, theres one problem: sound through my usb headset and internal speakers functions, only when I plug in my external speakers no sound comes out
[19:31] <apw> Pazzo: i have the same symptoms after updating in the last hour
[19:31] <apw> is there a bug filed for it?
[19:31] <Pazzo> apw: does it work for you with OSS?
[19:32] <prometheanfire> no one has nvidia working?
[19:32] <Pazzo> apw: Audio settings -> OSS -> Test
[19:32] <alka_trash> There is already a bug for it with no fix yet, I was hoping for some Ubuntu IRC magic  :)  | the bug 258379
[19:32] <U238Willy> prometheanfire, not really
[19:32] <admin_masu3701> hello there..when is 8.10 coming out?
[19:32] <prometheanfire> ok, as long as it is not just me
[19:32] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, 6 days i believe
[19:32] <prometheanfire> you know if you can do twinview with the nv driver?
[19:33] <U238Willy> i d/l'd the actual nvidia package from nvidia.com ran it... and saw that on the kubuntu forums someone used 2.6.27-6.. i have -7
[19:33] <U238Willy> it failed to compile properly
[19:33] <SilentDis> hello :)  noticed RC was out, I'd like to keep server load to a minimum.  My intent was to pull the DVD via torrents and upgrade using that.  would that be the best strategy, or would upgrading to RC then to full be the better way to go?
[19:34] <prometheanfire> ok, was worth a try
[19:34] <apw> Pazzo: yes oss makes the test beep work there
[19:34] <eagles0513875> how do i reconfigure my kdm
[19:34] <eagles0513875> nm i figured it out
[19:34] <apw> alsa is clicky crackle clicky
[19:34] <EyesOfARaven> <3 alsa
[19:34] <apw> Pazzo: is there a bug in launchpad i can add my experience to?
[19:34] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfRaven: i have the beta version...how to get the official 1 once out?
[19:35] <U238Willy> things run now.. but not optimally
[19:35] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, you should be able to just update to it using apt-get, or you can download a new iso
[19:35] <Pazzo> apw: as far as I know: no. I finished on this channel, trying to find out if the problem is known...
[19:35] <apw> will try and find out
[19:35] <MellowDude> whats the sudo comand to install the intel i845 chips set
[19:35] <Pazzo> ...after reading todays IRC log it seems that there are "a lot" of people with the same issue
[19:36] <superkiwi> how do I access the cdrom while I am installing ubuntu in text-mode? I mean what device - I want to mount it to a folder.
[19:36] <coppro> yeah, I've heard a lot of sound issues
[19:36] <apw> Pazzo: perhaps bug#288039
[19:36] <Pazzo> I discovered 5mins ago by myself, that manually choosing OSS helps, so this workaround works for mu unless they fix it :p
[19:37] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: cool
[19:37] <EyesOfARaven> ^^
[19:38] <admin_masu3701> I am trying to learn how to program in python..do anybody know where can i get a good tutorial for newbies?
[19:38] <Pazzo> apw: yeah, you could be right
[19:39] <MellowDude> ok intel website said to install the I915 graphics how i do that in terminal
[19:39] <coppro> admin_masu3701: the python docs have a good one
[19:39] <coppro> on the python website or in the python-doc package
[19:40] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, i love python.. there's a tutorial right in the documentation
[19:40] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, after u get the basics i recommend just coding random stuff with the modules
[19:40] <batti5> whare can i find a desktop snower for linux?
[19:41] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: where to get the documentation?
[19:41] <os2mac> Ok this is mildly annoying. When I go to Places>Home Folder it opens filelight. how do I change that?/
[19:42] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, it comes with python usually, but it is also on the main site. I believe u can find it at docs.python.org
[19:42] <dick-richardson> how do I get my usb headset working? I plug it in and it's available in the volume controls, but I can't get sound through it
[19:43] <os2mac> does the same thing when I click on Desktop.
[19:43] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: i am lookin at it...it looks like a good tutorial...Is python hard to learn?
[19:44] <EyesOfARaven> took me a day to start off doing things in python
[19:44] <EyesOfARaven> ive been doing it for 2-3 years
[19:44] <Pazzo> Bye @ll!
[19:44] <EyesOfARaven> and now i can program full 3d games and custom gui apps
[19:44] <EyesOfARaven> i'd say its easy
[19:45] <superkiwi> I'd say it's easy if you know how to program.
[19:45] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: That is good..i would love to know how to program in it
[19:45] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: what would be a good way to learn it ?
[19:45] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, there are good help channels for third party modules, and a main python help channel at #python on this server
[19:46] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, i recommend going to #python to ask for suggestions, but as i already said, i learned by making programs from random python modules, once i got the basics via tutorial
[19:47] <superkiwi> I can't install ubuntu 8.10 server, it complains about putting the cd in, and mounting it to cdrom. /cdrom/ is empty when I do ctr+f2 and login and look.
[19:48] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: ok.. so should i go through the entire tutorial first..then try to write codes?
[19:48] <superkiwi> admin_masu3701: Not to be rude, but this is not a python channel. Try #python mebbe.
[19:50] <admin_masu3701> superkiwi: i am tryin to join #python but i dont think that is the right name
[19:50] <superkiwi> hmm
[19:50] <os2mac> is something going on with the repositories?
[19:50] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, i find it helpful to follow along typing as they explain
[19:50] <superkiwi> You need to be identified.
[19:51] <superkiwi> Register your nick, or whatever it means at freenode.
[19:51] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, yes, ur name must be registered and identified to join #python
[19:51] <pen> hi
[19:51] <superkiwi> But seriously, noone encountered problems with installing ubuntu 8.10 rc server?
[19:51] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: how do i register?
[19:51] <pen> what media plugin do you guys use?
[19:51] <pen> I used totem and vlc
[19:51] <pen> none of them really works
[19:52] <pen> for firefox
[19:52] <eagles0513875> pen icedtea is a nice java plugin
[19:52] <matjan_work> hi, i installed intrepid beta on my thinkpad t61, and it seems that when i am on wireless, kernel panics occur (blinking caps lock light)... does anyone else have this problem? could it be related to the wireless?
[19:53] <superkiwi> I have tried installing ubuntu 8.10 rc server 4 times, each with different options (like automatic update) and lamp, but I think the installer is broken. Attleast it is for me.
[19:53] <matjan_work> i have not experienced a crash when on a lan network
[19:53] <eagles0513875> matjan_work u do internet upgrade cuz after doing that for me i lost all my connectivity
[19:54] <matjan_work> eagles0513875, no... i did a clean install
[19:56] <pen> eagles0513875: Not java
[19:56] <bsnider> is compiz not working with the intel driver at the present time?
[19:56] <pen> eagles0513875: I want the media player
[19:56] <ArkoldThos> intrepid is going VERY well here, just intel cards issue with 3d acceleration :>
[19:56] <ArkoldThos> bsnider: nothing is working with intel driver
[19:56] <pen> eagles0513875: totem sucks, because the controls never works
[19:57] <pen> vlc plugin doesn't have anything else
[19:57] <pen> omg
[19:57] <os2mac> Ok this is mildly annoying. When I go to Places>Home Folder it opens filelight. how do I change that?
[19:57] <ArkoldThos> bsnider: there is not a solution for this atm
[19:57] <ArkoldThos> lets wait :p
[19:57] <admin_masu3701> how do i register to join a channel?
[19:57] <ArkoldThos> well, leaving to buy strings cya
[19:58] <admin_masu3701> i am trying to joing #python
[19:58] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, type /register and it will tell u in the server tab how to do it
[19:59] <TuxSympathiser> is intrepid rc near enough to final to use now?
[19:59] <TuxSympathiser> or should I wait 5 days?
[19:59] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: type /register where?
[19:59] <admin_masu3701> EyesOfARaven: nothin happen when i type that in here
[19:59] <Tom_Davis> ok, I havent been reading, what is "landscape"?
[20:00] <DanaG> os2mac: right-click on a folder on the desktop, and select "properties" -- and then go to the "Open With" tab.
[20:01] <EyesOfARaven> admin_masu3701, goto the freenodee tab in ur irc client
[20:01] <EyesOfARaven> it will say it there
[20:03] <Acky> how much faster is the AMD64 version of the standard one?
[20:04] <os2mac> DanaG that did not correct the problem.
[20:05] <ArkoldThos> Acky: you should read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765428
[20:06] <DanaG> You selected "Open Folder" as the action to use?
[20:06] <Acky> ive always used the 64bit version but i need to get a wireless card working
[20:06] <ArkoldThos> and whats the problem?
[20:06] <ArkoldThos> just work on 32?
[20:06] <os2mac> DanaG nevermind... I figured it out.
[20:06] <os2mac> I just went to open with instead of setting it in properties.
[20:06] <Acky> well, ndiswrapper isn't support on amd64
[20:06] <Tom_Davis> wow, that would be truly evil, os2 on a mac
[20:07] <will00> is there a way to run irkick in intrepid?
[20:07] <os2mac> Tom_Davis: I agree!
[20:07] <os2mac> which is why I would never do such a thing.
[20:12] <DanaG> os2mac: you could do it with VirtualBox.
[20:13] <DanaG> It supports OS X hosts.... and it supports OS/2 guests (with guest additions!).
[20:13] <os2mac> But why would you want to? I mean really...
[20:13] <EyesOfARaven> LOL
[20:13] <EyesOfARaven> i uninstalled evolution
[20:13] <EyesOfARaven> cuz it kept popping up when i plugged into AC power
[20:13] <EyesOfARaven> and now
[20:13] <EyesOfARaven> it says "EVOLUTION IS NOT A VALID COMMAND"
[20:14] <EyesOfARaven> it literally is trying to run my email when i plug AC in
[20:14] <EyesOfARaven> ;p
[20:14] <will00> does anyone know how to get irkick working in hardy or a way to easily configure a remote to work properly with different modes and such?
[20:14] <pen> what is the best media player plugin for firefox so far?
[20:14] <EyesOfARaven> will00: u prob want the hardy channel and not the intrepid one then
[20:15] <EyesOfARaven> pen: i like seamonkey, but VLC has plugins for all of em
[20:15] <pen> EyesOfARaven: but I don't know why vlc mozilla plugin has no control
[20:15] <will00> sorry i meant intrepid, iv been using hardy since day one on this machine and i just got intrepid on it. kinda used to putting the hardy moniker in front of stuff
[20:15] <pen> I can't move to the part I want to see or rewind to where I want to start
[20:16] <cpumanaz> I have an nvidia fakeraid and it's being detected by Intrepid server 64bit. When I choose to use that, it does not give me any partitioning options and I cannot procede with install. Is anybody able to help with this?
[20:18] <DanaG> EyesOfARaven: check if something is bound to "launch e-mail client" in Gnome.
[20:23] <freeksh0w86> I tried using the alternate _CD_ installer for 8.10 RC, and it can't find the CD drive. that is epic FAIL.
[20:23] <cpumanaz> I'm willing to try a software RAID from within setup, but I have concerns about the drive with /boot failing, notification if a drive is unhealthy etc.
[20:24] <cpumanaz> I like that the fakeRAID management is straightforward
[20:26] <pen> so
[20:26] <pen> any other mozilla media plugins I didn't know of?
[20:26] <Tom_Davis> so far the ibex install is pretty straight forward
[20:29] <freeksh0w86> i hope it actually _works_, the final release. no luck here on the "shared" PC
[20:30] <freeksh0w86> in terms of compatibility, i have best luck with Dell > System76 > Compaq. Why System76 chooses to ship with proprietary sound devices is beyond all comprehension.
[20:33] <edu__> Hi
[20:33] <edu__> Is cheese working well for you?
[20:34] <edu__> I have an uvc webcam and it works with the flash plugin, but not with Cheese nor with Ekiga.
[20:34] <Tom_Davis> thats odd
[20:34] <pen> edu__: it works for me too
[20:34] <pen> do anyone know any other mozilla media plugins I didn't know of?
[20:35] <pen> vlc, totem, etc
[20:35] <thatguy> mplayerplug-in
[20:35] <edu__> I think it could be related to V4L2, could it be the case?
[20:35] <edu__> Because flash player 10 supports that, and it shows my webcam video properly
[20:35] <ml> hello... can someone recommend a cheap video card
[20:35] <danage> ebay
[20:35] <cpumanaz> does "defive-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel mean anything to anybody?
[20:36] <edu__> ml: you can find cheap video cards from nvidia and ati of their previous generations.
[20:36] <cpumanaz> ~device mapper
[20:36] <edu__> I have an ati radeon 9200 which is fully supported by Xorg (3d and all) but it's a bit slow. Very cheap, though.
[20:37] <ml> edu__: has to be pci express tho
[20:37] <danage> ebay
[20:37] <danage> 15 bucks including shipping
[20:37] <edu__> Ah, I see
[20:37] <ml> i just have no idea
[20:37] <noaxi> nekostar: you still there ?
[20:37] <edu__> Perhaps 15 bucks is too cheap. :P
[20:37] <ml> it's for a dell insipiron 531 that has no dvdi
[20:38] <edu__> dvi?
[20:38] <edu__> I am not completely sure, but there may be adapters, vga to dvi.
[20:38] <ml> isn't the digital out of vic=d card dvi?
[20:38] <edu__> yes
[20:38] <noaxi> the noapic was the only option actually needed to let the system boot normally
[20:39] <edu__> Talking about cheese, could I try to fix things by completely deleting the app, then reinstalling  it?
[20:39] <edu__> Do any of you have a Dell Inspiron 1520?
[20:41] <ml> http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-128MB-X600SE-Video-Card-PCI-Express-DVI-16x_W0QQitemZ370100783486QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370100783486&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
[20:41] <ml> how abut that
[20:41] <ml> about that one
[20:41] <cpumanaz> I think it's because raid45 is not in the kernel on the live CD and so even if you go in afterwords and install it from the live CD it won't work
[20:44] <admin_masu3701> how can i register my nickname
[20:45] <coppro> /msg nickserv help
[20:46] <cpumanaz> This item was marked fixed in hardy, but is not fixed in intrepid
[20:46] <cpumanaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220493
[20:46] <cpumanaz> that's how I got the dmraid working for me with intrepid RC
[20:47] <nekostar> aww
[20:47] <nekostar> noaxi came so close
[20:47] <nekostar> i just got back
[20:47] <nekostar> lol
[20:48] <nekostar> ml
[20:48] <nekostar> where do you live at?
[20:48] <nekostar> and what's your budget?
[20:48] <nekostar> i sold compys for a long time...
[20:48] <nekostar> i would recommend more than that
[20:48] <nekostar> if your going with an x make it like x1650 minimum
[20:49] <ml> sflorida
[20:49] <nekostar> usa?
[20:49] <nekostar> oh
[20:49] <nekostar> ok gimme sec
[20:49] <ml> yes heh
[20:49] <nekostar> what power supply mobo cpu ram ?
[20:49] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[1 days, 11 hours, 01 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.989 MHz (19200.16 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NV
[20:49] <nekostar> IDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[20:49] <nekostar> see i'm only on an 8600 ;)
[20:49] <nekostar> and intrepid runs FLAWLESSLY
[20:50] <nekostar> lol
[20:50] <ml> hehe\
[20:50] <nekostar> but to turn EVERYTHING on u need a step up from mine..
[20:50] <nekostar> [for it all at the same time lol]
[20:50] <ml> it's for a dell insipron 531
[20:50] <nekostar> but lemme see what i can dig up
[20:50] <nekostar> ok
[20:50] <ml> nvidia 430 chipset I belive
[20:50] <nekostar> are you on it by chance?
[20:51] <nekostar> omgosh
[20:51] <ml> no for a future install
[20:51] <nekostar> ah
[20:51] <nekostar> ok then i'm getting the jist of it
[20:51] <nekostar> ml what's a reasonable budget?
[20:51] <nekostar> can we alot 75?
[20:51] <ml> want to buy something complatible
[20:51] <nekostar> you can get a KILLER card for that
[20:52] <ml> or less would best
[20:52] <nekostar> ok
[20:52] <nekostar> i wanna see if we can find an ati 4xxx for that
[20:52] <ml> i'm on a really tight budget
[20:52] <nekostar> understood
[20:52] <ml> I just need dvi out pci express
[20:52] <nekostar> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048 1305520549 106792627&name=Radeon HD 4000 series
[20:52] <nekostar> there look at that
[20:53] <nekostar> MSI R4350-D256H Radeon HD 4350 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail 35 bucks new
[20:53] <nekostar> and retail so it comes with all cords and stuff
[20:53] <ml> looking brb
[20:53] <noaxi> nekostar: you there ?
[20:53] <nekostar> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048 1305520549 106792627 1067944045&name=Radeon HD 4670
[20:54] <ml> thxs
[20:54] <nekostar> noaxi i was just saying u just missed me
[20:54] <nekostar> ml that last link is what i recommend
[20:54] <nekostar> i tend to replace the rest of my compy before my vid card
[20:54] <nekostar> i know it breaks the 14 point upgrade path but i dont care
[20:54] <noaxi> I did a reboot in what I thought was a ssh session.. :-P
[20:54] <nekostar> i dont game much
[20:54] <nekostar> noaxi lol
[20:54] <nekostar> noaxi try a few things:
[20:54] <nekostar> ifconfig
[20:54] <nekostar> uname -a
[20:54] <nekostar> etc
[20:54] <nekostar> lol
[20:55] <nekostar> titles on the terminals get fuzzy now and again
[20:55] <noaxi> anyhow back to my true problem
[20:55] <noaxi> without apic the system runs normally..
[20:55] <nekostar> so yeah ml i recommend the 4650 or higher ok?
[20:55] <ml> nekostar: that link takes to listing but I think you mean this one.......
[20:55] <nekostar> noaxi really?
[20:55] <foormea> hi
[20:56] <ml> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127391
[20:56] <admin_masu3701> do anybody know how to register a nickname
[20:56] <nekostar>  MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
[20:56] <pen> do anyone know any other mozilla media plugins I didn't know of?
[20:56] <ml> ok I C
[20:56] <pen> vlc, totem, etc
[20:56] <noaxi> either without apic or by keeping depressed Ctrl or Alt
[20:56] <nekostar> ml now go to tomshardwareguide and xbit and anandtech and read some reviews ok?
[20:56] <ml> ok
[20:56] <nekostar> noaxi its still doing that?
[20:57] <ml> thank you for your help
[20:57] <nekostar> without the apic?
[20:57] <noaxi> unless I use noapic on boot..
[20:57] <nekostar> http://bayimg.com/MALneAabj http://bayimg.com/MALneAabj
[20:57] <nekostar> check those out ml
[20:57] <foormea> hey, i'm under intrepid/kde. i cannot find a quick launcher for the task bar. is it normal, or am i blind?
[20:57] <nekostar> noaxi ok lemme google some
[20:57] <nekostar> u should too
[20:57] <nekostar> ;)
[20:57] <nekostar> foormea not sure
[20:57] <nekostar> foormea is it kde4?
[20:57] <foormea> nekostar: yeah kde4.1
[20:58] <nekostar> #kubuntu-kde4 might be able to help
[20:58] <noaxi> I googled it allready and found one alpha 5/6 mention when booted from dvd..
[20:58] <nekostar> .1?
[20:58] <nekostar> oh i think its up to .3 or something
[20:58] <nekostar> definately go to that chan and ask a bit i'd day
[20:58] <ml> nekostar: nice setup
[20:58] <foormea> nekostar: thanks i didn't know about that chan
[20:58] <foormea> nekostar: i'll ask there :)
[20:58] <nekostar> foormea np ;) and idle here too b/c it's intrepid
[20:58] <foormea> nekostar: thing is, #kubuntu+1 points here
[20:58] <noaxi> only he did not find the noapic possibillity or the key-pressed solution
[20:58] <nekostar> foolano
[20:58] <foormea> :)
[20:58] <nekostar> er foormea
[20:58] <nekostar> #kubuntu-kde4
[20:59] <pen> do anyone know any other mozilla media plugins I didn't know of?
[20:59] <nekostar> o:!
[20:59] <pen> vlc, totem, etc
[20:59] <nekostar> pen apt-cache search moz plug
[20:59] <nekostar> and yes there's plugins from totemgstreamer/xine / xine / vlc
[21:01] <nekostar> ok ok ok
[21:01] <nekostar> lets back up a bit
[21:01] <nekostar> noaxi i'm gonna ask a few stupid q's sorry.
[21:01] <nekostar> 1. whats the mobo/cpu/ram/vid/keyboard/mouse types
[21:01] <noaxi> no q's stupid ever..
[21:02] <nekostar> s/stupid/[silly|bored|w/e]/g
[21:03] <nekostar> 2. i assume the problems are when your trying to actually type into the machine
[21:03] <nekostar> what about from a shell session? does it ping when kb is being wierd?
[21:04] <nekostar> oh and have you patched bios on mobo
[21:04] <nekostar> oh oh oh oh
[21:04] <nekostar> hey noaxi
[21:04] <nekostar> its got sata hdd's and devices?
[21:04] <nekostar> i wonder what ahci or w/e it is in the bios setting is~!
[21:05] <noaxi> to be specific I am checking the toshiba tech support..
[21:05] <nekostar> go into bios set sata to compatable or enhanced... then ide type for the connect
[21:05] <nekostar> uubercompatable
[21:05] <admin_masu3701> do anybody know how to register a nickname....cause the system keep sayin that my nickname is not a registered nickname
[21:05] <nekostar> probably need to reinstall..
[21:05] <nekostar> admin_masu3701 #freenode
[21:05] <nekostar> but
[21:05] <nekostar> /ns help register
[21:05] <nekostar> or /msg nickserve help register
[21:05] <admin_masu3701> nekostar: i didnt get that
[21:05] <nekostar> or /msg nickserv help register
[21:06] <admin_masu3701> #freenode
[21:06] <nekostar> /msg nickserv register somenicknamehere somepasshere someemail@here
[21:06] <noaxi> latest bios..
[21:06] <nekostar> admin_masu3701 i meant join that chan but no need now just folloow that format
[21:06] <nekostar> noaxi ok
[21:06] <noaxi> not a hdd problem
[21:06] <nekostar> noaxi dell?
[21:06] <noaxi> toshiba
[21:07] <nekostar> notebook?
[21:07] <noaxi> yep
[21:07] <nekostar> ok
[21:07] <noaxi> i820
[21:07] <nekostar> on the book do this:
[21:07] <nekostar> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu<tab>
[21:07] <admin_masu3701> nekostar: what is freenode chennel?
[21:07] <nekostar> then in there: ctrl+w defo
[21:07] <nekostar> admin_masu3701 that one i gave to you #freenode thats where network support is ^^
[21:08] <nekostar> noaxi for the defo == default options for grub replace the quiet, silent or w/e and put in this:
[21:08] <nekostar> acpi=off noacpi apic=off noapic
[21:08] <noaxi> prefer vi an / defo but what about it ?
[21:08] <nekostar> the four of them
[21:08] <nekostar> sure adapt to your fav ed
[21:08] <nekostar> ;)
[21:08] <nekostar> then when thats done:
[21:08] <admin_masu3701> nekostar: ok
[21:08] <nekostar> sudo update-grub
[21:09] <nekostar> admin_masu3701 np ;)
[21:09] <noaxi> did that.. and in the meantime with noapic the system boots ok
[21:09] <noaxi> but this is not the way the resolve the ubutnu BUG
[21:09] <nekostar> noaxi both noapic and apic=off and then both noacpi acpi=off
[21:09] <nekostar> those are actually different
[21:09] <nekostar> dude i'm not writing code
[21:09] <nekostar> i'm not shelled in on it
[21:09] <nekostar> i'm making it work.
[21:09] <noaxi> noapic solved the probelm but does not remove the bug
[21:10] <nekostar> solution: some motherboard/cpu/ram/hdd/opticaldrive combos just need to be done that way
[21:10] <nekostar> for better stuff you might need a dev bro
[21:10] <nekostar> lol
[21:10] <nekostar> srry
[21:10] <noaxi> nekostar: it's a intrepid ibex only problem
[21:10] <nekostar> wth?
[21:10] <nekostar> oh
[21:11] <nekostar> then compile a diff kernel
[21:11] <nekostar> hm
[21:11] <noaxi> Busy with that..
[21:11] <nekostar> say 2.6.26
[21:11] <nekostar> go down one
[21:11] <nekostar> or up a couple ;D
[21:12] <noaxi> I saw a bugfix for a usb option that would look solving this problem
[21:12] <digdug> actually, that's not a bad suggestion for me to try getting my usb drive working
[21:12] <nekostar> ?
[21:12] <nekostar> digdug eh?
[21:12] <noaxi> in 2.6.27.3
[21:12] <digdug> trying to compile a new kernel, I mean
[21:12] <nekostar> noaxi yeah see latest kernel prolly has some uglyish bug
[21:12] <nekostar> digdug oh thats really easy
[21:12] <nekostar> go to #debian
 To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps>
 make-kpkg
 well, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html  man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
 kp mantra
 kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
[21:13] <nekostar> worx every time
[21:13] <DJones> Does the nv driver still exist in Intrepid? if I try to update from hardy I get the warning that a driver for my nvidia card doesn't exist at the moment (old geforce2go in a laptop), as long as the nv still works, I know i can still get my 1600x1200 resolution, but if I had to drop to the vesa driver, I'm not sure if I'd be able to get that resolution
[21:13] <nekostar> DJones yeah
[21:13] <nekostar> nvidia-glx-xxx
[21:13] <nekostar> apt-cache search nvidia glx
[21:14] <nekostar> DJones also make sure you have jockey-gtk installed and just run that
[21:14] <DJones> nekostar: Thanks, I'd been putting off upgrading because of that
[21:14] <bsnider> the nvidia driver won't work with that old thing. the nv driver is still there and installed by default
[21:14] <pen> DJones: why nv?
[21:15] <sorush20> hi
[21:15] <sorush20> hi is it possible to find out how to print a pdf file please..
[21:15] <DJones> pen: I know the nv driver so far has been happy running at 1600x1200 which is my preferred resolution
[21:15] <sorush20> this file dosen't seem to want to pront
[21:15] <sorush20> print
[21:15] <sorush20> can I email it to anyone its a science file publication in pdf and its not being printed
[21:16] <sorush20> I can print everything else but I can't print this
[21:16] <sorush20> any help
[21:16] <Tom_Davis> try opening it with a different pdf reader?
[21:16] <pen> do anyone know why
[21:16] <pen> Openoffice is still 2.4 in RC?
[21:17] <bsnider> yeah, because they haven't had time to fix all of the bugs in 3.0
[21:17] <bsnider> it will be backported in the next month or two
[21:17] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> what is the absolute fastest and simplest to set up FTP server you can think of - all it needs to do is share one directory using built-in linux auth
[21:17] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> ?
[21:19] <san> I have a notebook with an atheros wireless device. In the beta I could use the wireless after I removed the linux-restricted-modules* packages. Now I updated to the RC I lost my wireless driver.. anyone got a clue??
[21:20] <bsnider> san, ath5k has been disabled in the regular kernel in favour of a newer version in the backports package
[21:20] <sorush20> Tom_Davis: done kpdf and okular anyone else
[21:20] <san> bsnider: so I have to enable backports to get my wifi working again?
[21:21] <bsnider> san, install the linux-backports package from synaptic
[21:21] <bsnider> reboot
[21:22] <san> bsnider: Do you know where can I find information like this in the future?
[21:22] <bsnider> i found it on launchpad
[21:22] <bsnider> and the mailing list showing changes made to packaes
[21:22] <san> bsnider: ah you've got the same issue :)
[21:23] <noaxi> I have yet another problem , of less importance, since most fb devices are blacklisted..
[21:23] <bsnider> i use a different card now, but the ath5k driver was causing a hard lockup on this system. presumably the newer one doesn't have that issue
[21:24] <noaxi> when booting on a laptop a trident chipset with splash the tridentfb doesn't load..
[21:24] <keithclark> How can I get rid of the ATI proprietary drivers and install the open drivers for an ATI Xpress 200 card?
[21:24] <noaxi> even after removing both vesafb and tridentfb from the blacklist
[21:25] <noaxi> with nosplash the tridentfb does load..
[21:32] <sorush20> Hi again.. is it possible if I can send the file to someone here?
[21:32] <sorush20> so that they can see if they can print it?
[21:32] <sorush20> I have used adobe acrobat and its no use.
[21:33] <EyesOfARaven> u can use dcc
[21:33] <EyesOfARaven> but u hav to find someone who wants to try it
[21:36] <sorush20> dcc?
[21:36] <sorush20> what is that?
[21:37] <Ferrat> sorush20, DCC is just to send a file via irc
[21:43] <sorush20> I'm sending you rht eile
[21:43] <sorush20> fiel
[21:43] <sorush20> file
[21:43] <pen> ubuntu++
[21:43] <sorush20> what do you want to send me the fiel?
[21:43] <sorush20> Ferrat:
[21:43]  * pen like that idea
[21:43] <Ayabara> alsamixer now only shows pulseaudio. is there a way I can make it show me front/pcm/headset ++ ?
[21:43] <sorush20> there is something wrong with the file
[21:43] <sorush20> i'
[21:43] <sorush20> i'm sure
[21:44] <sorush20> but I just printed it in html format
[21:44] <Ayabara> In the volume control applet in gnome I have Master, PCM and Front, and want to find out what they are called in kmixer
[21:44] <wgrant> Ayabara: alsamixer -c 0
[21:46] <Ayabara> wgrant: thanks a lot!
[21:48] <eagles0513875> does anyoen know why or what keeps nerfing my resolv.conf after rebooting and even after a while of using the net the resolv.conf gets nerfed
[21:50] <wgrant> eagles0513875: NetworkManager. It has done so for several releases now.
[21:51] <eagles0513875> this is the first time this has happened to me though
[21:51] <eagles0513875> was doing this in hardy to a degree now in intrepid its completely nerfing the resolv.conf
[21:51] <wgrant> Then you are probably wrong.
[21:52] <eagles0513875> maybe but now im noticing there is a problem with dns
[21:52] <wgrant> You're *not meant to edit resolv.conf if you are using NetworkManager*
[21:52] <wgrant> The comment at the top of the file tells you that.
[21:52] <eagles0513875> then where do i tell knetwork manager what name servers to use
[21:52] <Tom_Davis> if youre using dhcp its automagic
[21:52] <eagles0513875> im not
[21:52] <eagles0513875> im using static ips on internal net
[21:53] <wgrant> Then edit the connection settings and choose your DNS servers.
[21:53] <Tom_Davis> unless they changed it, just edit /etc/network/interfaces and tell it
[21:53] <eagles0513875> whats funny though after upgrading from hardy
[21:53] <eagles0513875> interfaces file still has my ip and everything
[21:53] <wgrant> Why would an upgrade replace a user-modified config file silently?
[21:54] <wgrant> That would be stupid.
[21:54] <chadeldridge> why would it have gone away
[21:54] <eagles0513875> what my resolv.conf
[21:54] <Tom_Davis> resolf.conf is not user modified
[21:55] <eagles0513875> there is something really buggy with this upgrade
[21:55] <wgrant> Read the first couple of lines of resolv.conf.
[21:55] <eagles0513875> there is only one line
[21:55] <wgrant> It's not that hard to work out that things are going to clobber it.
[21:56] <eagles0513875> but now i created a new wired connection but for some reason it didnt appear in the list
[21:56] <wgrant> Which list?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> knetowork manager connections list which u configure
[21:57] <wgrant> I'm aware.
[21:58] <eagles0513875> is that a known bug out there
[21:58] <eagles0513875> im out for now guys
[21:59] <wgrant> What bug!?
[21:59] <wgrant> I fail to see how listing connections can be regarded as a bug.
[21:59] <freeksh0w86> I notice that in Kubuntu 8.10 I am getting black bars around the display running Sauerbraten even though 1280x800 IS a pixel-perfect mode for my screen. This is an nvidia 8500 gt. latest nvidia driver from repos.
[21:59] <freeksh0w86> i did not have this issue in 8.04
[21:59] <freeksh0w86> and desktop effects are turned off
[22:03] <ripps> Yo, what's up y'all
[22:03] <freeksh0w86> Isn't there an nvidia tool where one can manually adjust screen modes?
[22:04] <freeksh0w86> This is dumb. I hate all graphics card vendors at this point.
[22:04] <danbh_intrepid> freeksh0w86: I think so
[22:04] <danbh_intrepid> /usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[22:05] <ripps> I wants my mpd back... ;_;
[22:05] <U238Willy> i want my old adept back
[22:06] <wgrant> ripps: What's wrong with the new one?
[22:06] <danbh_intrepid> ripps: Multiple Personality Disorder?   :p
[22:06] <ripps> mpd has been broken for a couple of days now
[22:07] <ripps> both ubuntu package and my svn built one don't work.
[22:07] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> simplest most lightweight FTPd u can think of please?
[22:07] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> one that works out of box preferably
[22:08] <joaopinto> EyesOfARaven, vsftpd
[22:08] <ripps> EyesOfAWin32Rvn: I like Filezilla myself
[22:08] <joaopinto> ripps, filezilla has an linux ftpd  :)?
[22:08] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i think they might
[22:08] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> im tryin vsftpd
[22:09] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> sounds unixier
[22:09] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> :p
[22:09] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> this ftp server is anonymous only
[22:09] <joaopinto> they have filezilla server, the last time I have checked it was windows only :P
[22:09] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> cant connect
[22:09] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> hrm
[22:09] <joaopinto> vsftpd is not
[22:09] <joaopinto> is a regular ftpd
[22:09] <freeksh0w86> I found nvidia-settings but is there a way to add screen resolution modes?
[22:09] <joaopinto> I don't know an anonymous only ftpd, maybe you didn't set it up for regular accounts ?
[22:09] <wgrant> You want an anonymous-only ftpd...
[22:10] <freeksh0w86> 1280x800 should be perfectly valid, and I know it is it's worked before.
[22:10] <wgrant> You really, really, really don't want to be transmitting your UNIX password across the Internet, unencrypted.
[22:10] <joaopinto> if he wants anonymous only, the password is not relevant :P
[22:10] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> wgrant, it's for my lan
[22:10] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> :p
[22:10] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> internal only
[22:10] <wgrant> joaopinto: He said that he didn't want it anonymous.
[22:11] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i wouldnt mind if it was anonymous if i could log into it and stick files in my home dir
[22:11] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> but i cant even connect due to this
[22:11] <san> bsnider: well it didn't work with the backports package (atheros issue)
[22:11] <lastelement0> hello all, i just recently updated to Ibex, and now my vbox is broken. i've tried uninstalling and then reinstalling but i can't even get it to open. what should i do?
[22:11] <san> Could someone help me with me Atheros driver issue? (more info on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=958686 )
[22:12] <os2mac> What is the command to mount an ecryptfs volume?
[22:12] <pen> anyone know stickies for ubuntu?
[22:12] <pen> like sticky note
[22:12] <san> pen try 'tomboy'
[22:13] <san> pen it's included already
[22:13] <ripps> I've started using the linux-image-server kernel, and my desktop hasn't frozen once yet, but It does stall occasionally. I hope they fix the 2.6.27 latency issues soon.
[22:13] <wgrant> ripps: Do we know about these issues?
[22:13] <san> pen: Applications -> Accesoires ->Tomboy Notes
[22:13] <pen> san: I don't like tomboy somehow
[22:13] <joaopinto> san, have you tried manually setting the mode with iwconfig ?
[22:13] <bsnider> san, what do you mean "it doesn't work"?
[22:13] <pen> san: I have tried xpad and others, but none of them really suit my taste
[22:14] <ripps> The lantency issues are mentioned on the testing/810rc details page
[22:14] <san> bsnider: It doesn't list networks, I can't connect to my network if I set it
[22:15] <san> joaopinto: doesn't work either :(
[22:16] <bsnider> san, try sudo modprobe -r ath5k, and hten sudo modprobe ath5k
[22:16] <bsnider> you did try rebooting right?
[22:16] <san> bsnider: yes I did a reboot
[22:18] <san> bsnider: but even "iwlist wlan0 scan" doesn't show anything
[22:18] <ripps> Ok, I have a real question that maybe somebody can help me with. I'm unable to connect to one of my computer using ssh, but I'm too ssh out of that computer. I guessing it's a firewall/router issue. Can someone help me figure this out?
[22:19] <pwnguin> ripps: ssh is not sshd
[22:19] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> joaopinto, how do i restart vsftpd
[22:19] <ripps> pwnguin: both computers have openssh-client and openssh-server installed
[22:19] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i guess i can killall
[22:19] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> and then rerun it
[22:20] <joaopinto> EyesOfARaven, sudo /etc/inid./vsftp restart
[22:20] <pwnguin> ripps: is sshd reunning on the target server?
[22:20] <ripps> pwnguin: yes
[22:20] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> ahhh finally
[22:20] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i win
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> joaopinto, sudo /etc/init.d/vsftp restart does not work
[22:21] <pwnguin> ripps: lemme guess. they're on the same local network, and have private IPs
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> joaopinto, sudo /etc/init.d/vsftp restart wants a config file, and complains that the socket is taken if u do it
[22:21] <joaopinto> EyesOfARaven, define "does not work"
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> it says that it wants a config file, and restart isnt one
[22:21] <joaopinto> EyesOfARaven, have you installed the previous ftpd ?
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> ?
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i have it working anyway
[22:21] <joaopinto> erm, uninstalled
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> just dunno how to restart it
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> and yes, i have
[22:21] <pwnguin> ripps: for the server you can't connect to, can you ssh localhost?
[22:21] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> it is vsftpd that is keeping vsftpd from binding
[22:22] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> i  ran a killall
[22:22] <ripps> pwnguin: yes there on a local network, one connects to the router via ethernet, the other connects via wifi
[22:22] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> then started it again via "vsftpd"
[22:22] <EyesOfAWin32Rvn> wud be handy to hav a cleaner way tho
[22:22] <joaopinto> EyesOfARaven, it works fine here, the restart
[22:22] <pwnguin> ripps: if a box can ssh into itself, its a network config problem
[22:23] <ripps> pwnguin: I'm able to user@localhost, but it gives some kind of eavesdropping warning about my rsa key
[22:23] <pwnguin> the warning is because it's the first time you've seen the key
[22:23] <pwnguin> if it happens twice, that's a problem
[22:24] <pwnguin> or perhaps if you've changed keys
[22:24] <ripps> pwguin: actually wait, it says that host verification failed
[22:26] <[ipc]michael> i installed 8.10 in an effort to avoid the release rush on the servers. unfortunately the legacy nvidia issue is a show stopper as i am woefully unproductive without certain desktop effects. some of the improvements in 8.10 have me itching to upgrade but of course i won't be able to do so until nvidia come through with an updated driver. does anyone know of a place i can monitor updates on the development of the new leg
[22:26] <pwnguin> ripps: if you're connecting by IP, its possible that dhcp has switched on you from time ago
[22:26] <U238Willy> nvforums
[22:26] <U238Willy> or nvidia.com
[22:27] <[ipc]michael> U238Willy: thanks
[22:27] <td123> [ipc]michael: just wait until thursday.
[22:27] <ripps> pwguin: No, I know my ip addresses are correct. After double checking, it looks like ssh user@localhost failed actually.
[22:27] <[ipc]michael> td123: is that teh word? are they going to have it ready by release?
[22:27] <pwnguin> ripps: well thats not good
[22:28] <td123> [ipc]michael: I don't know what teh word is, but it should
[22:28] <wgrant> [ipc]michael, td123: We cannot do a thing without nvidia becoming less stupid.
[22:28] <wgrant> They are the only people who can fix the driver.
[22:28] <ripps> pwguin: how do re-setup my hosts keys? It's saying there's something wrong with my known_hosts
[22:28] <U238Willy> [ipc]mich.... www.nvnews.net
[22:29] <Prez00> hello..
[22:29] <aguitel> i cannot bot intrepid live cd rc
[22:29] <U238Willy> and then of course www.nvidia.com for the actual drivers you can d/l when they become available.
[22:29] <td123> wgrant: :D I didn't see it was a proprietary driver issue
[22:29] <[ipc]michael> td123: i did a fresh install of 8.04 so i can get work done without getting a headache and finally set myself up with a partition for /home and /opt so, all in all is was an ok experience anyway. and my 8.04 install is much more solid then before
[22:30] <wgrant> td123: nvidia legacy drivers == proprietary, because no open driver is stupid enough to require a separate legacy driver.
[22:30] <td123> wgrant: :P
[22:31] <wgrant> (let alone a separate *3* legacy drivers, like nvidia)
[22:31] <U238Willy> sad thing is
[22:31] <U238Willy> he's right
[22:32] <bsnider> [ipc]michael, i'd be shocked if nvidia updates the old drivers. they're moving on to the 180 series and implementing opengl 3 (first beta driver already released). they're not worried about old stuff
[22:32] <[ipc]michael> agreed. the nvidia driver situation has been made more and more stupid in the last year or so
[22:32] <U238Willy> yeah
[22:32] <U238Willy> like me
[22:32] <U238Willy> poor old me
[22:32] <U238Willy> who revived an old system to run linux
[22:32] <U238Willy> geforce2 you say?
[22:32] <U238Willy> bahhhhhhhhh
[22:32] <wgrant> Hopefully nouveau will be OK for 3D soon.
[22:33] <U238Willy> to the dirt with you.
[22:33] <bsnider> the nv driver will give you everything but compositing
[22:33] <Yorokobi> Does the 8.10 Desktop (GUI) installer support encrypting partitions during the install or is that the text-only (alternate) installer?
[22:33] <[ipc]michael> this box has been running like a champ for years with its mx440. i dont want to miss out on 8.10 goodness for having older gear
[22:33] <wgrant> Yorokobi: The latter.
[22:33] <Yorokobi> wgrant, thanks
[22:33] <[ipc]michael> Yorokobi: alt only
[22:33] <wgrant> bsnider: nv doesn't do 3D acceleration.
[22:33] <bsnider> i said that
[22:33] <bsnider> doens't do compositing
[22:34] <aguitel> i cannot bot intrepid live cd rc ,anyone know this bug ?
[22:34] <wgrant> bsnider: Compositing != 3D
[22:34] <bsnider> i'm not sure why that's an issue on old stuff
[22:34] <[ipc]michael> aguitel: clarify please. bot?
[22:34] <wgrant> bsnider: Why wouldn't it be?
[22:34] <wgrant> Old 3D cards are still 3D cards.
[22:34] <wgrant> My Radeon 7000 runs Compiz excellently.
[22:35] <aguitel> [ipc]michael, the cursor is blinking and nothings happens
[22:35] <bsnider> well, if you say so
[22:35] <wgrant> I do.
[22:35] <mr_polite> aguitel: im not sure what your question is. can you please clarify what it is you're trying to do, and what it is thats happening when you try to do it?
[22:36] <bsnider> wgrant, compiz with cube reflections and expo and cube gears and all of that stuff
[22:36] <aguitel> mr_polite, i am trying to run the live cd
[22:36] <ripps> pwguin: okay, fixed ssh localhost issue. I just removed known_hosts.
[22:36] <wgrant> bsnider: No, but those aren't the more useful features of Compiz.
[22:36] <mr_polite> aguitel: and its not loading?
[22:37] <aguitel> mr_polite, exact
[22:37] <wgrant> Wobbly windows, translucency, Scale, etc.
[22:37] <mr_polite> aguitel: are you running the live cd so you can play with the desktop or are you just going to install 8.10?
[22:37] <bsnider> doesn't metacity do translucency?
[22:37] <wgrant> It has some minimal composition features now, yes.
[22:38] <aguitel> mr_polite, the 2
[22:38] <bsnider> yeah but to not upgrade because you don't have wobbly windows?
[22:38] <wgrant> bsnider: Scale is an excellent usability improvement, and I might not upgrade if I couldn't keep it.
[22:38] <wgrant> Particularly as Hardy will be supported for a little while yet.
[22:39] <bsnider> i suppose
[22:39] <ArkoldThos> still noone know whats going on with Intel 3d acceleration?
[22:39] <wgrant> ArkoldThos: You apparently do, or you wouldn't be asking.
[22:39] <wgrant> I know of nothing wrong with it.
[22:39] <bsnider> ArkoldThos, you mean compositing or 3d?
[22:39] <ArkoldThos> 3d acceleration~
[22:39] <td123> ArkoldThos: all I know is intel has a bug in their proprietary drivers which they know about but aren't fixing it... :/
[22:39] <mr_polite> aguitel: you should confirm the md5 checksum on the ISO you downloaded and re-burn your CD; as slow as possible. if you can stand skipping the desktop and just want to install I'd suggest downloading the Alternative disc and installing from there.
[22:40] <ArkoldThos> not sure if something is going on with compoosing
[22:40] <wgrant> td123: Intel lacks proprietary drivers.
[22:40] <bsnider> intel doesn't have proprietary drivers
[22:40] <wgrant> ArkoldThos: What is the problem?
[22:40] <ArkoldThos> td123: their drivers are open sourced
[22:40] <ArkoldThos> well, i was able to play and all before update to intrepid a week ago or so
[22:40] <td123> ArkoldThos: oh great, now they probably depend on the users to fix it then
[22:40] <ArkoldThos> but now i can't even select intel driver, it just crashes
[22:40] <wgrant> td123: Cease that at once.
[22:41] <td123> wgrant: cease what at once?
[22:41] <bsnider> select the intel driver?
[22:41] <bsnider> not sure what you mean by that
[22:41] <ArkoldThos> that when i select it and try to get up the X crashes
[22:41] <wgrant> td123: First saying that there is a bug in the Intel proprietary drivers, and then spreading anti-FLOSS FUD.
[22:41] <wgrant> ArkoldThos: How do you select it?
[22:42] <td123> wgrant: I didn't know free speech was suppressed online also..
[22:42] <bsnider> what?
[22:42] <aguitel> mr_polite, can i make the upgrade with the alternative cd (no fresh install )
[22:42] <ArkoldThos> manual way, don't know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give many options (i'm starting with ubuntu, i used to use debian)
[22:42] <emilien> need help just installed ubuntu ibex rc ,when boots up i get I/o erros some thing about blocks , then boots up fine
[22:43] <ArkoldThos> emilien: run fsck
[22:43] <Tecumseh> hi there, a question about nvidia drivers and kubuntu intrepid. I'm trying to set my display resolution to 1280x1024 but after every restart I get it back at 1024x768. Nvidia driver used is 177.80 through the resticted drivers applet (the recommended one). With nvidia x server settings I can add resolution 1280x1024 to my xorg config and use that to set my display resolution. After reboot or restart of x it is back again.
[22:43] <wgrant> td123: Spreading misinformation when users are asking for support is not pleasant.
[22:44] <wgrant> ArkoldThos: Try removing your xorg.conf.
[22:44] <ripps> pwnguin: I figured it out. It was ufw that was preventing ssh.
[22:44] <wgrant> You shouldn't need one any more.
[22:44] <td123> wgrant: ok, so I got the proprietary part down, but I got the bug part right...
[22:44] <ArkoldThos> why? :o
[22:44] <wgrant> td123: We don't know that yet.
[22:44] <bsnider> it isn't used anymore
[22:44] <wgrant> ArkoldThos: Because X no longer sucks so much.
[22:44] <wgrant> bsnider: It is.
[22:44] <wgrant> It just isn't needed in so many circumstances any more.
[22:44] <td123> wgrant: yes we do, the bug description is clearly stated on intel and the programs website..
[22:44] <bsnider> it's used for proprietary drivers only
[22:45] <emilien> ArkoldThos:  was going t run fsck , but gives me scary message ' WARNING! rungin fsck on mount system can cause SERVER damage' is it safe ?
[22:45] <wgrant> td123: Which?
[22:45] <td123> wgrant: do you want links?
[22:45] <wgrant> bsnider: Or obscure input devices. Or Virtual settings for non-proprietary drivers. or any other Xorg options.
[22:45] <ArkoldThos> emilien: try getting on in safemode
[22:45] <wgrant> td123: Yes.
[22:45] <pwnguin> ripps: doens't sound uncomplicated anymore ;)
[22:45] <ArkoldThos> brb, restarting x
[22:45] <emilien> ArkoldThos:  ok good idea
[22:45] <mr_polite> aguitel: you dont need a cd to upgrade just do: sudo update-manager -d
[22:46] <aguitel> mr_polite, thanks
[22:46] <bsnider> wgrant, i thought hal fdi files were used for that
[22:46] <pen> aguitel: just remember to backup
[22:47] <wgrant> bsnider: HAL fdi files are used only for (not all) detection, and configuration of correctly detected input devices.
[22:48] <td123> wgrant: link 1: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?p_faqid=150 link 2: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6956-UGCB-7160 link 3: can't find it on intel, but I've seen it
[22:49] <bofh80> Tecumseh,
[22:49] <td123> wgrant: here is link 3: http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel945gm/sb/CS-022051.htm
[22:49] <Tecumseh> yes bofh80
[22:50] <td123> wgrant: this is the part were I get to say, "I told you so." :P
[22:50] <bofh80> Tecumseh, i have the solution to this :D . after you setup the resolution correctly? using nvidia-settings? change the preferences on System > Preferences > Screen Resolution as well.   this happened to me for a week before i realised what was going on
[22:51] <wgrant> td123: Where was Half-Life mentioned?
[22:51] <td123> wgrant: its a bug in the driver... I don't have to mention anything
[22:51] <wgrant> What the?
[22:52] <wgrant> You can't just reference an application-specific crash that probably affects Windows only, and use that as evidence that the Xorg crash is caused by that bug in the -intel driver.
[22:52] <td123> wgrant: it happens under linux
[22:53] <wgrant> It's also an application crash.
[22:53] <bsnider> you guys want to take this outside?
[22:53] <wgrant> Which probably means it's a bug in the application.
[22:53] <Tecumseh> bofh80: thought I tried that already, but just to be sure I'll do a check again with a restart of x and a reboot. Be back again
[22:53] <td123> wgrant: because of the drivers...
[22:53] <wgrant> td123: or because of a bug in the application...
[22:53] <td123> wgrant: it is an application crash because of the drivers, read link 1, 2, they say it 'Explicitly'
[22:53] <wgrant> Even if it is a bug in the drivers, it's just one bug which is irrelevant to the original issue.
[22:54] <td123> wgrant: I see that you don't like being wrong
[22:54] <pen> hi
[22:54] <pen> HL2!!!
[22:54] <td123> pen: hi
[22:54] <pen> td123: are you using 8.10 too?
[22:55] <wgrant> td123: Can I prove irrefutably that a bug in Firefox is caused by Nautilus, because there is another bug in Nautilus?
[22:55] <td123> wgrant: I'm sure if the manufacturer reports that it is a driver bug on the website... then I'm sure they have studied it to a point of coming to a conclusion
[22:56] <emilien_> im getting this error on boot Buffer I/O error , dev sr0, sector 187642 ran fsck in recover mood no errors
[22:56] <wgrant> td123: They report that it affects Half-Life.
[22:56] <wgrant> td123: They do not report anything further.
[22:56] <emilien_> feel might be related to cd-rom
[22:56] <wgrant> emilien_: That's the CD.
[22:57] <td123> wgrant: so you're telling me the game runs perfect on every other graphics card but 945 and it is still a game bug?
[22:57] <Tecumseh> bofh80: thanks, it worked like a charm after restart of x. Think I tried it with kdesudo systemsettings before and not as regular user
[22:57] <wgrant> td123: It could be, but we're not discussing that bug.
[22:58] <emilien_> wgrant:  whats does that meen then ? my cd rom dead ? should i cumment out in fstab ?
[22:58] <bofh80> Tecumseh, no problem that was driving me crazy. and i'd thought i'd set it before hand as well :)
[22:58] <wgrant> emilien_: Do you have a CD in the drive?
[22:58] <td123> wgrant: why, cause you don't want me to quote the website again? :D
[22:58] <emilien_> wgrant:  as you mention it yes
[22:58] <td123> wgrant: don't answer that question... this argument is terminated
[22:58] <emilien_> wgrant:  try with out
[22:58] <wgrant> td123: I cite https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bug/43150 as irrefutable evidence that that bug is in the graphics card.
[22:59] <Tecumseh> I must admit that it went smoother this time compared to alpha 5, a lot of improvements since then (as it should considering it's rc now)
[22:59] <bofh80> Tecumseh, i grabbed at the first beta. is working a lot better since that as well. plenty of updates still come down, er, hourly tho. :)
[23:00] <td123> wgrant: ya... judging by you linking to a random bug not on the manufacturer's website... just shows who won this conversation. So stubborn
[23:00] <mercutio22> Hello. Can somone test whether evolution is capable to forward a message with an html message?
[23:00] <mercutio22> I think its doing it
[23:00] <mercutio22> I mean
[23:00] <wgrant> td123: It's a bug in Ubuntu. By your logic, that means they are the same bug.
[23:00] <mercutio22> *not* doing it
[23:01] <td123> wgrant: this bug is in ubuntu and windows
[23:01] <bsnider> mercutio22, send it to yourself
[23:01] <emilien_> wgrant:  by god you were right! boots amazingly fast now no erros
[23:01] <wgrant> emilien_: It could well be a dodgy CD.
[23:01] <mercutio22> bsnider, duh, good call
[23:01] <wgrant> td123: That doesn't mean it's the same bug.
[23:01] <td123> wgrant: I specifically said this bug doesn't just affect linux/windows
[23:01] <td123> wgrant: omg... shut up.. it says it on the manufacturer's website
[23:02] <wgrant> td123: And I really don't care about that bug, as we don't know that it's even slightly relevant here.
[23:02] <emilien_> wgrant: i installed ubuntu from that dodgy cd , oh dear
[23:02] <bsnider> i thought this argument was terminated?
[23:02] <td123> wgrant: no but you keep arguing because you don't like to lose arguments
[23:02] <wgrant> td123: We have no idea whether it is the same bug as the one you linked to.
[23:02] <wgrant> td123: And your reason for continuing the argument is...?
[23:02] <NET||abuse> hey guys. just got a 1000h with xp, put ubuntu 8.10 i38 iso on to usb thumb drive, booted up on it :) quite happy.. Now, partitian decisions? boot part 220MB, swap 1GB which is equal to RAM, then have 78GB to split between /home and /
[23:03] <td123> wgrant: my reason is because you keep typing...
[23:03] <wgrant> That is pathetic.
[23:03] <wgrant> This is over.
[23:03] <td123> wgrant: you're pathetic
[23:04] <td123> wgrant: I can't believe someone is so in denial of losing an argument
[23:05] <td123> (*c*) <--- wgrant got ko'ed
[23:05] <wgrant> There is little need to resort to personal attacks.
[23:05] <td123> wgrant: shut up
[23:05] <wgrant> Pleasant.
[23:06] <Tecumseh> NET||abuse: about depends on what you plan to install with it. Generally 10 GB is enough for /, I have 20 reserved for it but also a larger harddrive
[23:06] <td123> wgrant: don't you just love acting like a troll?
[23:07] <dulak> hmmm, everything went really smooth in the upgrade except I can't enable desktop effects
[23:07]  * td123 decides wgrant is not worth talking to anymore... (he's a little ignorant)
[23:07] <wgrant> HAHAHAHA
[23:07] <bofh80> and let him never return
[23:07] <wgrant> Ignorant!?
[23:08] <bsnider> what a pointless argument. it's a bug either way. no matter what it's a bug in, neither of you can do a thing about it.
[23:08] <wgrant> We can do something about it.
[23:08] <bofh80> those references he posted where not what you where talking about. and i didn't' see the original problem. did he even have the problem? or was he giving someone bogus information?
[23:09] <dulak> any clues about why desktop effects wouldn't let me enable even if the restricted driver is activated and running correctly?
[23:09] <wgrant> The original reporter reported something different to those links.
[23:09] <wgrant> So I proposed that it wasn't the same bug.
[23:09] <wgrant> This proposal was met with denial.
[23:09] <bsnider> dulak, which driver?
[23:09] <wgrant> Chaos ensued.;
[23:09] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: so boot 200MB, swap == RAM (1GB), and rest between just 20GB for / and  ~58GB for /home , or any other partitions?
[23:09] <dulak> bsnider: the nvidia 177 one
[23:09] <emilien_> there not in repostries ?
[23:10] <dulak> bsnider: I think I found the problem actually
[23:10] <emilien_> there not tremulous in repostries ?
[23:10] <bofh80> is the original poster still about? he have problems with steam and halflife/cs (original ones?) i use them, haven't installed them again yet tho . .
[23:10] <dulak> nvidia restricted requires SSE but I don't have a new enough cpu for that
[23:10] <bofh80> dulak, hmm, i though yuo said your pc was 1ghz ?
[23:11] <wgrant> bofh80: He never mentioned Half-Life at all.
[23:11] <dulak> it's a amd 1g thunderbird
[23:11] <dulak> but no sse
[23:11] <bofh80> wgrant, LOL
[23:11] <bofh80> dulak, really? i thought they all had that by the 1ghz mark
[23:11] <dulak> apparently not, I just checked /proc/cpuinfo and no sse
[23:12] <bsnider> wgrant, is there an ubunut dev with enough experience to patch the intel graphics driver?
[23:12] <bofh80> dulak, damned :S
[23:12] <wgrant> bsnider: We do all the time, just not much in those areas.
[23:12] <wgrant> I've fixed bugs in code that I don't understand much of. Good code is like that.
[23:13] <bofh80> dulak, oh must be another acronym i'm thinkin off, SSE only intel p4 and AMD 64 UP :S
[23:13] <wgrant> bofh80: MMX, perhaps?
[23:13] <bsnider> i wouldn't want to try to patch packard's code unless i knew a lot about it (in other words, unless i was packard)
[23:14] <wgrant> Right, but some bugfixes are small enough that it's quite feasible to do it oneself.
[23:14] <Tecumseh> sorry NET||abuse, been away for a sec. Yeah, that's the general idea. A seperate home is definitly a good practice
[23:14] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh; just hoping 20GB for / is enough
[23:14] <Tecumseh> NET||abuse: why the seperate boot? That is not needed
[23:15] <NET||abuse> oh, ok,
[23:15] <NET||abuse> what order should partitions be in?
[23:15] <dulak> this is kinda crappy, the older driver from envy worked fine, now I get no 3d
[23:15] <NET||abuse> i know there's some concern about putting certain partitions at the front block of the drive
[23:15] <wgrant> dulak: You can think nvidia's proprietary drivers for that.
[23:15] <wgrant> s/think/thank/
[23:16] <Tecumseh> no particular order needed, but I generally put / first and swap last
[23:16] <dulak> mmmm I gotta figure out how to go back to the working driver from envy
[23:16] <bsnider> dulak, what?
[23:16] <wgrant> dulak: In Intrepid that's not possible.
[23:16] <bsnider> what are you talking about?
[23:16] <wgrant> dulak: The problem revolves around our newer xserver.
[23:16] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: ah, ok,,, well, thanks :) Just from the live boot off the usb stick, the 3d drivers work! i'm amazed, wobbly windows on eee pc
[23:16] <dulak> so basically I'm buggered for 3d
[23:17] <bsnider> dulak, what card do you have?
[23:17] <bofh80> dulak, ahh now i see i was lookin at SSE2,  SSE was supported in pIII (which makes my understanding of the 1gh correct) but AMD only put in their Athlon XP chips up
[23:17] <dulak> nvidia 6200 LE
[23:17] <Tecumseh> NET||abuse: I don't know if there are extra considerations for the EEE pc though, can't think of any but you might want to check that out first
[23:17] <bsnider> that card does work with the 177 driver
[23:18] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: considerations?
[23:18] <dulak> I'm running the 177 driver and glxinfo says the driver requires SSE
[23:18] <wgrant> dulak: Unless you can convince nvidia to fix their drives, yes.
[23:18] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: as long as i can get the wifi to work, i can worry about everything else later :)
[23:18] <wgrant> Gah. Stupid new keyboard.
[23:18] <dulak> So I have 2d out of 177, but no 3d cuz my cpu is just a little too old
[23:18] <bofh80> dulak, if you run dmesg does it report any errors loading the driver ?
[23:19] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: well, 3d seems to be working straight out of the box, intel 945 chipset.. wifi isn't yet. the physical nic i havn't tried.. sooo hopefully that'll be ok..
[23:19] <bsnider> dulak, what's the message if you run "compiz --replace" out of a terminal?
[23:19] <Tecumseh> NET||abuse: do you run the standard 8.10 or 8.10 eee-edition
[23:19] <Tecumseh> physical nics mostly work out of the box
[23:19] <dulak> no errors in dmesg for loading nv stuff
[23:19] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: oh, standard i386 iso
[23:20] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: urr. should i get eee version?
[23:20] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: didn't even know there was one.
[23:20] <petererer> is it me, or does intrepid not have an -rt kernel?
[23:20] <dulak> it says xgl not present from compiz --replace
[23:20] <Tecumseh> it just came up in google, this thread also came up that might help you with the wifi: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=414580
[23:20] <dulak> texture_from_pixmap not present as well
[23:20] <bsnider> xgl? that has nothing to do with it
[23:20] <petererer> ah, it's not me
[23:21] <bsnider> dulak, are you sure the nvidia driver is loaded?
[23:21] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: hmm, nice, thanks.. willread the heck outa that!
[23:22] <Tecumseh> NET||abuse: yw, goodluck with it
[23:23] <dulak> bsnider: I am absolutely sure nvidia 177 is loaded
[23:23] <dulak> bsnider: it's saying it's my cpu that is the problem, so I'm only getting 2d
[23:23] <openstandards> Hi
[23:23] <ripps> So, does anybody think DRI2 will be ready for Ubuntu+2 or +3
[23:24] <NET||abuse> Tecumseh: cheers :) just cleared commited the partitions :)
[23:24] <dulak> bsnider: I can live with it, I was gonna push my current gaming rig down to be my linux box soon anyways, that's a much better cpu and video
[23:25] <openstandards> I'm having problems with dvd playback and use only a ide dvd writter from my understanding it doesn't matter if dma is on, correct?
[23:26] <dulak> other than that issue which is nvidia being stupid, I had zero issues upgrading from hardy to intrepid, I'm very impressed
[23:29] <mo0n_sniper> is the ubuntu 8.10 xserver performance bug fixed?
[23:31] <limecat> every time i try to open a DVD through totem, the comp locks up, ram usage skyrockets, and the disk slowly spins up, until totem crashes after 2 minutes
[23:32] <limecat> is there a way to fix this :\  got all the dvd codecs etc, and disk plays fine in vlc
[23:34] <bsnider> dulak, you might have a parochial xorg.conf file. can you pastebin it?
[23:34] <dulak> bsnider: sure, sec
[23:36] <wgrant> Aren't we sure that it's because of the old CPU?
[23:37] <bsnider> wgrant, he's trying to load compiz and it's talking about "xgl", which the nvidia driver doesn't use or need
[23:37] <wgrant> bsnider: It will use Xgl if it is present.
[23:37] <wgrant> That's why it's checking.
[23:37] <wgrant> But that is normal.
[23:38] <dulak> bsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62629/
[23:38] <wgrant> The problem is that the CPU doesn't support SSE. That's all.
[23:38] <dulak> I'm pretty sure that's the problem too, I read a bunch of people with my cpu type bitching about it
[23:39] <Tom_Davis> well for the most part xubuntu-desktop installs an works right
[23:40] <dulak> This is the first upgrade of linux I've ever done in 12 years running linux that had zero issues
[23:40] <dulak> I'm incredibly impressed with that
[23:41] <Tom_Davis> dont say that too loud
[23:41] <bsnider> dulak, so i guess compiz has never worked ont hat box
[23:41] <dulak> bsnider: it did in hardy when I used envy to install the older driver
[23:41] <bsnider> which older driver?
[23:42] <dulak> I believe the version was 150-something
[23:42] <bsnider> you could try the 173 driver. it supports your card
[23:42] <wgrant> bsnider: 17[37] newly require SSE.
[23:42] <bsnider> although i don't think that would fix it
[23:42] <dulak> apparently 173 is the version they started the SSE required thing
[23:43] <wgrant> There is no solution for this problem with this hardware.
[23:43] <dulak> it's ok, seriously I am almost ready for a new gaming rig and when I do that I'll push down my gaming rig to be my linux box and I'll have all the bells and whistles
[23:43] <dulak> I can live without the cube for a month or two
[23:43] <bsnider> is it possible to have a laptop automatically hibernate after an hour suspended?
[23:44] <Jordan_U> How can I get mplayer with support for the compiz video plugin, I have tried compiling with the patch mentioned @ http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Video but make fails and I can't find anything even remotely like documentation on this patch
[23:45] <Jordan_U> bsnider: You can do suspend2both which will suspend to disk in case you completely loose battery but still keep RAM alive as long as possible for a faster wake
[23:49] <ripps> Suspend finally works now, but Network Manager becomes useless afterwards. Is there anyway to resolve this issue?
[23:49] <wgrant> ripps: "useless" is a useless term.
[23:52] <ripps> wgrant: It's permanently stuck in disconnected mode and it won't detect anything with my wifi card
[23:52] <wgrant> ripps: Which variety of wireless card?
[23:52] <ripps> wgrant: rt2500 (linksys)
[23:53] <wgrant> Hmm, no idea.
[23:53] <coppro> ripps: I experience the same thing, but even off a straight boot
[23:53] <coppro> I just kill networkmanager and connect manually
[23:53] <Tom_Davis> woohoo they fixed the ali15x3 problem!
[23:54] <DigitalFiz>  anyone have any ideas on how to fix my VirtualBox now that ive installed 8.10? is there something i have to recompile?
[23:55] <ripps> coppro: I can never get my card to connect manually, but perhaps I'm doing it wrong
[23:55] <coppro> ripps: ifconfig <interface> up; iwconfig <interface> <bunch of parameters>; dhclient <interface>
[23:55] <coppro> (all as root/sudo)
[23:56] <ripps> coppro: that's what I thought, but It would always fail at the last part.
[23:56] <coppro> ripps: with or without networkmanager on?
[23:56] <bsnider> Jordan_U, how do you suspend to both?
[23:56] <ripps> coppro: last time I tried it was from Recovery mode
[23:57] <ripps> so no NetworkManager
[23:57] <Smegzor> When I upgraded recently, there were some errors in 3 packages and I didn't see the upgrade do its cleaning up phase.  Does that mean there are temporary files hanging around?
[23:57] <coppro> hmm
[23:58] <ripps> coppro: Though, it's been a couple weeks since I tried, perhaps the issue has been resolved since then
[23:58] <ripps> I'll write up a script and try it again some time