| thorwil | grrr. made the mistake to look into the forum again. smartboyathome: "Mark came out with his goons late in the art cycle, and said that we (the community) no longer work on the default themes, his people do. So I am kind of saddened that Mark doesn't use community themes, but there ARE a lot of program-related bugs with the themes that need fixing first" | 19:00 |
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| thorwil | "Community can only do so much and have it be professionally, and while I do agree with Mark saying that his people should do the default artwork, I do not agree with him saying that we shouldn't try to make artwork which is good enough for default." | 19:02 |
| * karmaferit hopes they don't smudge orange over everything like the human icons | 19:04 | |
| thorwil | karmaferit: just to be very clear. the point is that what smartboyathome writes is not quite correct | 19:12 |
| thorwil | the forum suffers from this kind of rumors and half-truths quite a lot, i think | 19:12 |
| karmaferit | thorwil: oh i imagine so | 19:13 |
| karmaferit | pitty that the artwork is in limbo though | 19:13 |
| karmaferit | fedora never has this issue | 19:14 |
| thorwil | kwwii: seen http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/? | 19:14 |
| * thorwil summons rsc | 19:15 | |
| kwwii | thorwil: nope, didn't see that yet | 19:21 |
| kwwii | he told me he was making some stuff, never saw it though | 19:21 |
| kwwii | he is the guy who made the sounds for intrepid (which I had to remove) | 19:21 |
| thorwil | kwwii: also the one who made reasonable countdown banners and who is involved with the 8.10 start page and the wanted project, i think | 19:23 |
| thorwil | sebastian strikes again :) | 19:24 |
| kwwii | :-) | 19:26 |
| Cimi | kwwii, why you had to remove those sounds | 19:27 |
| Cimi | they are amaxing | 19:27 |
| kwwii | Cimi: apparently they are very close to vista | 19:29 |
| kwwii | but they are still on my system :p | 19:29 |
| kwwii | and in my ppa I might add | 19:30 |
| kwwii | mads had contact with another guy who has done a work for big-time cell phone companies, he wants to make sounds for +1 | 19:31 |
| kwwii | hopefully someone who has worked for samsung and nokia can make something mark likes :p | 19:32 |
| * karmaferit always thought it was odd that mark has the final say when it comes to the artwork, is he qualified in any way? | 19:33 | |
| thorwil | kwwii: sure, if he can make it sound orange and glossy ;) | 19:33 |
| thorwil | karmaferit: he has the money ... ;) | 19:34 |
| kwwii | lol | 19:34 |
| karmaferit | golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rule | 19:34 |
| kwwii | karmaferit: in our new team we also have a new boss (also from a big company and with lots of experience) | 19:34 |
| karmaferit | good to hear :) | 19:34 |
| kwwii | so in the future mark will no longer deal with details, which should allow us more freedom | 19:35 |
| kwwii | I'll be joining the new team sometime early next month...can't wait! | 19:35 |
| thorwil | kwwii: the boss is from which field? | 19:35 |
| thorwil | will the desktop team cease existance? | 19:36 |
| karmaferit | well that is good, ubuntu's artworks been rather embarrassing compared to fedora's and suse's (SLED) | 19:36 |
| kwwii | thorwil: he was the lead creative director for Orange | 19:37 |
| * thorwil giggles | 19:37 | |
| kwwii | thorwil: no, we are forming a new team which only concerns artwork (platform and marketing) | 19:37 |
| thorwil | orange! | 19:38 |
| kwwii | no more micro-managing-millionares :p | 19:38 |
| karmaferit | kwwii: how bad is it having him manage things? | 19:39 |
| kwwii | although I have been offered to decide whether to work on that team as platform artwork lead or to switch to our new desktop-experience team and do more technical work | 19:39 |
| kwwii | karmaferit: hard to explain and keep my job :p | 19:40 |
| karmaferit | ok whos the one that likes the orange | 19:41 |
| thorwil | karmaferit: from what little insight i have, i'd say a big problem is that Mark is only available in small slices. yet is required for decisions | 19:41 |
| thorwil | kwwii: oh, all the time i thought the experience team is also about artwork | 19:41 |
| kwwii | thorwil: nope, the experience team is about developing new desktop tech | 19:46 |
| kwwii | thorwil: that sums up the problem exactly | 19:46 |
| thorwil | kwwii: a shame. thought it was a holistic approach, taking the term experience quite literal :) | 19:47 |
| kwwii | thorwil: yes it is but not on an artwork level | 19:49 |
| kwwii | this is really about developing totally new thing for the desktop | 19:49 |
| kwwii | new ways of using your computer, etc | 19:49 |
| kwwii | lots of super-secret stuff :p | 19:49 |
| thorwil | bwaha :) | 19:50 |
| thorwil | greet _MMA_ from me if he shows up here :) good night! | 21:05 |
| kwwii | _MMA_ !!!!!! | 21:09 |
| _MMA_ | yo yo | 21:10 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: how's life, man? good, I hope! | 21:10 |
| kwwii | I'd add a funny mexican saying but I guess you have heard enough of that language lately :p | 21:11 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: I'm doing fine. 1 more week in Mexico. | 21:11 |
| kwwii | bet you can't wait to get home, eh? | 21:11 |
| _MMA_ | Si | 21:11 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 21:11 |
| kwwii | ;) | 21:11 |
| _MMA_ | Neither can my wife. ;) | 21:11 |
| kwwii | lol, I bet | 21:11 |
| kwwii | better have someone watch the kids for day or two after your return | 21:12 |
| _MMA_ | Already taken care of. :P | 21:12 |
| kwwii | being away from home probably makes her appreciate you even more | 21:12 |
| kwwii | good to see that you still have enough strength and will to spend time in stupid art chat :p | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | No. She knows why I'm the best. :) She just likes me a whole lot and wants me home. | 21:13 |
| kwwii | good for you ;-) | 21:13 |
| kwwii | maybe I should go to mexico as well :p | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | Well I get off @noon on Saturdays. No work Sunday. 1 more 60hr week. | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | I get back to Raleigh next Saturday. | 21:14 |
| _MMA_ | On Sunday or Monday I hope to get some art done. | 21:14 |
| kwwii | well, I got emails from mark this morning asking me if I look at the bug list and expecting changes so I deal with the same stuff, really | 21:14 |
| kwwii | only I don't sweat that much at work :p | 21:14 |
| _MMA_ | I think I've lost 10lbs. | 21:15 |
| kwwii | I can imagine | 21:15 |
| kwwii | it would be good for me :p | 21:15 |
| _MMA_ | Somewhat due to less eating. Im scared of getting sick from something I would eat. | 21:15 |
| kwwii | actually, I have lost quite a few pounds in the last months | 21:15 |
| kwwii | thank god | 21:15 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe I'll see at the next UDS. (not MTV) | 21:16 |
| kwwii | that sucks | 21:16 |
| kwwii | not seeing you in ca, I mean | 21:16 |
| _MMA_ | I told Jono that this one was a no-go because of work. | 21:16 |
| kwwii | fair enough...real life comes first | 21:17 |
| kwwii | I wish I could say that | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | One of my 1st things I'll be doing is a product manual. In addition to learning AutoCAD. | 21:17 |
| kwwii | hehe, if you need any help with AutoCAD let me know...I have a lot of experience with it | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | I just might. I gotta look at classes as well. | 21:18 |
| kwwii | I learned drafting the hard way first and then did CAD | 21:18 |
| kwwii | one or two good classes will really help | 21:18 |
| kwwii | it is not hard, there are just some basic ideas you need to understand first | 21:18 |
| kwwii | when I went back to college (after flunking out on my scholarship to study music) I started doing a two-year degree in drafting, from which I sprung to a four year degree in engineering | 21:20 |
| _MMA_ | killer :) | 21:20 |
| * _MMA_ goes to eat lunch. bbs. | 21:20 | |
| kwwii | bueno appetito | 21:21 |
| b_mind | I'm learning gtkrc syntax and trying to customize some application via gtkrc file, for now I found how to customize Gedit - widget_class "*edit*" ... but next what I need is gnome-terminal how can i find name of widget_class for gnome terminal? can somebody help me? | 22:30 |
| b_mind | or maybe someone know if I have application, how could I find out all it gtk structure... maybe there is some tool for analyzing bin file and show GTK tree or smth? | 22:43 |
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