[19:00] grrr. made the mistake to look into the forum again. smartboyathome: "Mark came out with his goons late in the art cycle, and said that we (the community) no longer work on the default themes, his people do. So I am kind of saddened that Mark doesn't use community themes, but there ARE a lot of program-related bugs with the themes that need fixing first" [19:02] "Community can only do so much and have it be professionally, and while I do agree with Mark saying that his people should do the default artwork, I do not agree with him saying that we shouldn't try to make artwork which is good enough for default." [19:04] * karmaferit hopes they don't smudge orange over everything like the human icons [19:12] karmaferit: just to be very clear. the point is that what smartboyathome writes is not quite correct [19:12] the forum suffers from this kind of rumors and half-truths quite a lot, i think [19:13] thorwil: oh i imagine so [19:13] pitty that the artwork is in limbo though [19:14] fedora never has this issue [19:14] kwwii: seen http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/? [19:15] * thorwil summons rsc [19:21] thorwil: nope, didn't see that yet [19:21] he told me he was making some stuff, never saw it though [19:21] he is the guy who made the sounds for intrepid (which I had to remove) [19:23] kwwii: also the one who made reasonable countdown banners and who is involved with the 8.10 start page and the wanted project, i think [19:24] sebastian strikes again :) [19:26] :-) [19:27] kwwii, why you had to remove those sounds [19:27] they are amaxing [19:29] Cimi: apparently they are very close to vista [19:29] but they are still on my system :p [19:30] and in my ppa I might add [19:31] mads had contact with another guy who has done a work for big-time cell phone companies, he wants to make sounds for +1 [19:32] hopefully someone who has worked for samsung and nokia can make something mark likes :p [19:33] * karmaferit always thought it was odd that mark has the final say when it comes to the artwork, is he qualified in any way? [19:33] kwwii: sure, if he can make it sound orange and glossy ;) [19:34] karmaferit: he has the money ... ;) [19:34] lol [19:34] golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rule [19:34] karmaferit: in our new team we also have a new boss (also from a big company and with lots of experience) [19:34] good to hear :) [19:35] so in the future mark will no longer deal with details, which should allow us more freedom [19:35] I'll be joining the new team sometime early next month...can't wait! [19:35] kwwii: the boss is from which field? [19:36] will the desktop team cease existance? [19:36] well that is good, ubuntu's artworks been rather embarrassing compared to fedora's and suse's (SLED) [19:37] thorwil: he was the lead creative director for Orange [19:37] * thorwil giggles [19:37] thorwil: no, we are forming a new team which only concerns artwork (platform and marketing) [19:38] orange! [19:38] no more micro-managing-millionares :p [19:39] kwwii: how bad is it having him manage things? [19:39] although I have been offered to decide whether to work on that team as platform artwork lead or to switch to our new desktop-experience team and do more technical work [19:40] karmaferit: hard to explain and keep my job :p [19:41] ok whos the one that likes the orange [19:41] karmaferit: from what little insight i have, i'd say a big problem is that Mark is only available in small slices. yet is required for decisions [19:41] kwwii: oh, all the time i thought the experience team is also about artwork [19:46] thorwil: nope, the experience team is about developing new desktop tech [19:46] thorwil: that sums up the problem exactly [19:47] kwwii: a shame. thought it was a holistic approach, taking the term experience quite literal :) [19:49] thorwil: yes it is but not on an artwork level [19:49] this is really about developing totally new thing for the desktop [19:49] new ways of using your computer, etc [19:49] lots of super-secret stuff :p [19:50] bwaha :) [21:05] greet _MMA_ from me if he shows up here :) good night! [21:09] _MMA_ !!!!!! [21:10] <_MMA_> yo yo [21:10] _MMA_: how's life, man? good, I hope! [21:11] I'd add a funny mexican saying but I guess you have heard enough of that language lately :p [21:11] <_MMA_> kwwii: I'm doing fine. 1 more week in Mexico. [21:11] bet you can't wait to get home, eh? [21:11] <_MMA_> Si [21:11] <_MMA_> :P [21:11] ;) [21:11] <_MMA_> Neither can my wife. ;) [21:11] lol, I bet [21:12] better have someone watch the kids for day or two after your return [21:12] <_MMA_> Already taken care of. :P [21:12] being away from home probably makes her appreciate you even more [21:13] good to see that you still have enough strength and will to spend time in stupid art chat :p [21:13] <_MMA_> No. She knows why I'm the best. :) She just likes me a whole lot and wants me home. [21:13] good for you ;-) [21:13] maybe I should go to mexico as well :p [21:13] <_MMA_> Well I get off @noon on Saturdays. No work Sunday. 1 more 60hr week. [21:14] <_MMA_> I get back to Raleigh next Saturday. [21:14] <_MMA_> On Sunday or Monday I hope to get some art done. [21:14] well, I got emails from mark this morning asking me if I look at the bug list and expecting changes so I deal with the same stuff, really [21:14] only I don't sweat that much at work :p [21:15] <_MMA_> I think I've lost 10lbs. [21:15] I can imagine [21:15] it would be good for me :p [21:15] <_MMA_> Somewhat due to less eating. Im scared of getting sick from something I would eat. [21:15] actually, I have lost quite a few pounds in the last months [21:15] thank god [21:16] <_MMA_> Maybe I'll see at the next UDS. (not MTV) [21:16] that sucks [21:16] not seeing you in ca, I mean [21:16] <_MMA_> I told Jono that this one was a no-go because of work. [21:17] fair enough...real life comes first [21:17] I wish I could say that [21:17] <_MMA_> One of my 1st things I'll be doing is a product manual. In addition to learning AutoCAD. [21:17] hehe, if you need any help with AutoCAD let me know...I have a lot of experience with it [21:18] <_MMA_> I just might. I gotta look at classes as well. [21:18] I learned drafting the hard way first and then did CAD [21:18] one or two good classes will really help [21:18] it is not hard, there are just some basic ideas you need to understand first [21:20] when I went back to college (after flunking out on my scholarship to study music) I started doing a two-year degree in drafting, from which I sprung to a four year degree in engineering [21:20] <_MMA_> killer :) [21:20] * _MMA_ goes to eat lunch. bbs. [21:21] bueno appetito [22:30] I'm learning gtkrc syntax and trying to customize some application via gtkrc file, for now I found how to customize Gedit - widget_class "*edit*" ... but next what I need is gnome-terminal how can i find name of widget_class for gnome terminal? can somebody help me? [22:43] or maybe someone know if I have application, how could I find out all it gtk structure... maybe there is some tool for analyzing bin file and show GTK tree or smth?