[19:00] <thorwil> grrr. made the mistake to look into the forum again. smartboyathome: "Mark came out with his goons late in the art cycle, and said that we (the community) no longer work on the default themes, his people do. So I am kind of saddened that Mark doesn't use community themes, but there ARE a lot of program-related bugs with the themes that need fixing first"
[19:02] <thorwil> "Community can only do so much and have it be professionally, and while I do agree with Mark saying that his people should do the default artwork, I do not agree with him saying that we shouldn't try to make artwork which is good enough for default."
[19:04]  * karmaferit hopes they don't smudge orange over everything like the human icons
[19:12] <thorwil> karmaferit: just to be very clear. the point is that what smartboyathome writes is not quite correct
[19:12] <thorwil> the forum suffers from this kind of rumors and half-truths quite a lot, i think
[19:13] <karmaferit> thorwil: oh i imagine so
[19:13] <karmaferit> pitty that the artwork is in limbo though
[19:14] <karmaferit> fedora never has this issue
[19:14] <thorwil> kwwii: seen http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/?
[19:15]  * thorwil summons rsc
[19:21] <kwwii> thorwil: nope, didn't see that yet
[19:21] <kwwii> he told me he was making some stuff, never saw it though
[19:21] <kwwii> he is the guy who made the sounds for intrepid (which I had to remove)
[19:23] <thorwil> kwwii: also the one who made reasonable countdown banners and who is involved with the 8.10 start page and the wanted project, i think
[19:24] <thorwil> sebastian strikes again :)
[19:26] <kwwii> :-)
[19:27] <Cimi> kwwii, why you had to remove those sounds
[19:27] <Cimi> they are amaxing
[19:29] <kwwii> Cimi: apparently they are very close to vista
[19:29] <kwwii> but they are still on my system :p
[19:30] <kwwii> and in my ppa I might add
[19:31] <kwwii> mads had contact with another guy who has done a work for big-time cell phone companies, he wants to make sounds for +1
[19:32] <kwwii> hopefully someone who has worked for samsung and nokia can make something mark likes :p
[19:33]  * karmaferit always thought it was odd that mark has the final say when it comes to the artwork, is he qualified in any way?
[19:33] <thorwil> kwwii: sure, if he can make it sound orange and glossy ;)
[19:34] <thorwil> karmaferit: he has the money ... ;)
[19:34] <kwwii> lol
[19:34] <karmaferit> golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rule
[19:34] <kwwii> karmaferit: in our new team we also have a new boss (also from a big company and with lots of experience)
[19:34] <karmaferit> good to hear :)
[19:35] <kwwii> so in the future mark will no longer deal with details, which should allow us more freedom
[19:35] <kwwii> I'll be joining the new team sometime early next month...can't wait!
[19:35] <thorwil> kwwii: the boss is from which field?
[19:36] <thorwil> will the desktop team cease existance?
[19:36] <karmaferit> well that is good, ubuntu's artworks been rather embarrassing compared to fedora's and suse's (SLED)
[19:37] <kwwii> thorwil: he was the lead creative director for Orange
[19:37]  * thorwil giggles
[19:37] <kwwii> thorwil: no, we are forming a new team which only concerns artwork (platform and marketing)
[19:38] <thorwil> orange!
[19:38] <kwwii> no more micro-managing-millionares :p
[19:39] <karmaferit> kwwii: how bad is it having him manage things?
[19:39] <kwwii> although I have been offered to decide whether to work on that team as platform artwork lead or to switch to our new desktop-experience team and do more technical work
[19:40] <kwwii> karmaferit: hard to explain and keep my job :p
[19:41] <karmaferit> ok whos the one that likes the orange
[19:41] <thorwil> karmaferit: from what little insight i have, i'd say a big problem is that Mark is only available in small slices. yet is required for decisions
[19:41] <thorwil> kwwii: oh, all the time i thought the experience team is also about artwork
[19:46] <kwwii> thorwil: nope, the experience team is about developing new desktop tech
[19:46] <kwwii> thorwil: that sums up the problem exactly
[19:47] <thorwil> kwwii: a shame. thought it was a holistic approach, taking the term experience quite literal :)
[19:49] <kwwii> thorwil: yes it is but not on an artwork level
[19:49] <kwwii> this is really about developing totally new thing for the desktop
[19:49] <kwwii> new ways of using your computer, etc
[19:49] <kwwii> lots of super-secret stuff :p
[19:50] <thorwil> bwaha :)
[21:05] <thorwil> greet _MMA_ from me if he shows up here :)  good night!
[21:09] <kwwii> _MMA_ !!!!!!
[21:10] <_MMA_> yo yo
[21:10] <kwwii> _MMA_: how's life, man? good, I hope!
[21:11] <kwwii> I'd add a funny mexican saying but I guess you have heard enough of that language lately :p
[21:11] <_MMA_> kwwii: I'm doing fine. 1 more week in Mexico.
[21:11] <kwwii> bet you can't wait to get home, eh?
[21:11] <_MMA_> Si
[21:11] <_MMA_> :P
[21:11] <kwwii> ;)
[21:11] <_MMA_> Neither can my wife. ;)
[21:11] <kwwii> lol, I bet
[21:12] <kwwii> better have someone watch the kids for day or two after your return
[21:12] <_MMA_> Already taken care of. :P
[21:12] <kwwii> being away from home probably makes her appreciate you even more
[21:13] <kwwii> good to see that you still have enough strength and will to spend time in stupid art chat :p
[21:13] <_MMA_> No. She knows why I'm the best. :) She just likes me a whole lot and wants me home.
[21:13] <kwwii> good for you ;-)
[21:13] <kwwii> maybe I should go to mexico as well :p
[21:13] <_MMA_> Well I get off @noon on Saturdays. No work Sunday. 1 more 60hr week.
[21:14] <_MMA_> I get back to Raleigh next Saturday.
[21:14] <_MMA_> On Sunday or Monday I hope to get some art done.
[21:14] <kwwii> well, I got emails from mark this morning asking me if I look at the bug list and expecting changes so I deal with the same stuff, really
[21:14] <kwwii> only I don't sweat that much at work :p
[21:15] <_MMA_> I think I've lost 10lbs.
[21:15] <kwwii> I can imagine
[21:15] <kwwii> it would be good for me :p
[21:15] <_MMA_> Somewhat due to less eating. Im scared of getting sick from something I would eat.
[21:15] <kwwii> actually, I have lost quite a few pounds in the last months
[21:15] <kwwii> thank god
[21:16] <_MMA_> Maybe I'll see at the next UDS. (not MTV)
[21:16] <kwwii> that sucks
[21:16] <kwwii> not seeing you in ca, I mean
[21:16] <_MMA_> I told Jono that this one was a no-go because of work.
[21:17] <kwwii> fair enough...real life comes first
[21:17] <kwwii> I wish I could say that
[21:17] <_MMA_> One of my 1st things I'll be doing is a product manual. In addition to learning AutoCAD.
[21:17] <kwwii> hehe, if you need any help with AutoCAD let me know...I have a lot of experience with it
[21:18] <_MMA_> I just might. I gotta look at classes as well.
[21:18] <kwwii> I learned drafting the hard way first and then did CAD
[21:18] <kwwii> one or two good classes will really help
[21:18] <kwwii> it is not hard, there are just some basic ideas you need to understand first
[21:20] <kwwii> when I went back to college (after flunking out on my scholarship to study music) I started doing a two-year degree in drafting, from which I sprung to a four year degree in engineering
[21:20] <_MMA_> killer :)
[21:20]  * _MMA_ goes to eat lunch. bbs.
[21:21] <kwwii> bueno appetito
[22:30] <b_mind> I'm learning gtkrc syntax and trying to customize some application via gtkrc file, for now I found how to customize Gedit - widget_class "*edit*" ... but next what I need is gnome-terminal how can i find name of widget_class for gnome terminal? can somebody help me?
[22:43] <b_mind> or maybe someone know if I have application, how could I find out all it gtk structure... maybe there is some tool for analyzing bin file and show GTK tree or smth?