[00:09] <Nafallo> slangasek: hi :-)
[00:10] <slangasek> Nafallo: hey-o
[00:10] <Nafallo> slangasek: I haz release question :-)
[00:11] <slangasek> I haz release answers!
[00:11] <Nafallo> slangasek: since we are pushing this 3G thing quite a lot in the release notes, would a small update to hal-info be able to make it into the archive before final is made?
[00:12] <slangasek> it has a chance, at least
[00:12] <Nafallo> basically adding four usb device ids and have support for four popular nokia phones.
[00:12] <Nafallo> their flagship N96 being one of them. that one is on every damn advertisement incl. mobiles in the UK right now :-)
[00:13] <Nafallo> so support OOTB would be handy :-)
[00:14] <Nafallo> slangasek: what do you think. should I prep a debdiff for it? :-)
[00:15] <slangasek> Nafallo: sure
[00:15] <Nafallo> slangasek: perfect. I'll go to work right now with it :-)
[00:15] <superm1> Nafallo, while you're at it, if hal-info is being uploaded, squeeze 288888 in too maybe?
[00:16] <superm1> bug 288888 that is
[00:16] <superm1> i already got it landed upstream
[00:16]  * Nafallo looks
[00:16] <wgrant> I'd imagine that hal-info will be getting a bit of SRUing.
[00:18] <Nafallo> wgrant: we should support as much as possible, and if each new device comes of a cost of 5 character whitelisting I can't see a reason not too include something that cheap.
[00:18] <wgrant> Nafallo: Yep.
[00:20] <superm1> does hal have facilities for pulling fdi files from /etc too?  I'm thinking maybe a session about discussing a tool for generating an FDI file for testing purposes, and then filing a bug to get it added if it works properly
[00:20] <wgrant> superm1: /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[00:20] <wgrant> You can drop whatever you want in there.
[00:20] <wgrant> I think I've altered all wiki docs to put things there rather than /usr.
[00:21] <superm1> wgrant, yup that'd be exactly what I was thinking.  I'll think more about this type of tool and what would be involved then
[00:34] <calc> does anyone know what kind of restrictions the guest account has? for some reason under the guest account OOo can't run
[00:38] <wgrant> calc: They're very nasty. See /etc/apparmor.d/gdm-guest-session
[00:44] <StevenK> Woot. NBS is empty
[00:45] <Nafallo> superm1: ehrm. the dell usbid is different from the bug and in that commit you link to. can you confirm if it's 34 or 44?
[00:48] <superm1> Nafallo, woops, that's a typo from when i made the patch to submit
[00:48] <superm1> Nafallo, the one in the bug is right
[00:48] <superm1> i'll send an email up to the ML
[00:49] <Nafallo> superm1: ta.
[00:52] <superm1> Nafallo, good eyes on that catch :)
[00:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[00:55] <Nafallo> slangasek: thoughts on bug 284961 ?
[00:56] <Nafallo> slangasek: worth adding and hoping for testers before we release?
[00:57] <slangasek> Nafallo: adding to what package?  The bug seems to be filed against two packages
[00:57] <Nafallo> slangasek: hal-info
[00:57] <Nafallo> slangasek: basically get it recognised as a modem and not support mode switching.
[00:58] <slangasek> "not support mode switching"? what does that mean?
[00:58] <calc> slangasek: it switches between mass storage and modem (aiui?)
[00:58] <calc> i vaguely recall arne talking about them at uds
[00:59] <slangasek> and we're going to include an .fdi file that prohibits using the device in the other mode?
[00:59] <calc> the mass storage side has the windows driver in it, iirc
[00:59] <slangasek> well, are we sure of that?
[00:59] <calc> i'm not... ask arne :)
[00:59] <slangasek> this doesn't sound like an obvious regression-free change to me
[00:59]  * calc reading bug now
[01:00] <slangasek> Nafallo: if you're not confident in the correctness of the fix per se, then please leave it for SRU
[01:00] <calc> slangasek: i'd ask arne to review that bug
[01:00]  * Nafallo checks up on ReZero
[01:00] <calc> since he seemed to be heading up the 3g modem stuff at least used to be
[01:01] <Nafallo> slangasek: oki. I agree :-)
[01:01] <sistpoty> Keybuk | mdz: mind moderating my post to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[01:01] <Nafallo> rezero is a utility to disable the ZeroCD (fake USB CD-Rom)
[01:01] <Nafallo> temporarily at run time for Option 3G cards.
[01:01] <Nafallo> slangasek: ^-- I think I'll let go of that one :-)
[01:02] <slangasek> ok :)
[01:02] <Nafallo> three bugs less \o/
[01:03] <Nafallo> and four nokias and a dell card supported :-)
[01:03] <asac> right, we shouldnt try to tackle modeswitch devices right before release ;) ... in future drivers should support that properly. only solutions available are hacky and not suitable for mass-rollout
[01:05] <persia> I have two modeswitch devices : hardlocking in either mode would be very annoying.
[01:06] <persia> (mine pass different USB device IDs, so I'm not affected by the bug, but I do use the use-case)
[01:18] <Nafallo> slangasek: http://home.nafallo.info/bugs/hal-info_20081013-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[01:18] <Nafallo> slangasek: also uploaded to my PPA
[01:19] <Nafallo> already building -)
[01:19] <Nafallo> on a 5U server ;-)
[01:25] <directhex> 5u is a bad thing O_o
[01:26] <NCommander> o_o;
[01:26] <Nafallo> no necessarily :-)
[01:26] <directhex> what makes good use of a 5u chassis?
[01:27] <Nafallo> that box :-)
[01:27] <Nafallo> anyway. forget I said anything :-P
[01:28] <directhex> last 5u box i had was crashy junk :/
[01:29] <slangasek> you're generalizing about servers based on their size? :)
[01:30] <directhex> yes!
[01:31] <Nafallo> ehrm. where did my binary go...
[01:32] <wgrant> Nafallo: You'll see it in 8 minutes, or you can hack URLs.
[01:36] <Nafallo> nice
[01:37] <Nafallo> Oct 25 01:36:35 wizard pppd[3332]: remote IP address 10.6.6.6
[01:37] <Nafallo> Oct 25 01:36:35 wizard pppd[3332]: remote IP address 10.6.6.6
[01:37] <Nafallo> oops. sorry for double paste
[01:38] <wgrant> Erm?
[01:38] <Nafallo> but yea. it works :-)
[01:38] <Nafallo> slangasek: want to sponsor? :-)
[01:39] <slangasek> Nafallo: the RM is about the last person you should be looking for sponsorship from on release week..
[01:39] <Nafallo> slangasek: hehe. I know. but you're like the only core-dev I can see awake ;-)
[01:39] <slangasek> since that means either one fewer set of eyeballs on the upload than normal, or it means reducing the pool of available reviewers
[01:40] <slangasek> asac: are you awake?
[01:40] <Nafallo> went to bed a while ago :-)
[01:40] <slangasek> pff
[01:40] <slangasek> he was up 40 minutes ago
[01:40] <slangasek> calc: hi
[01:40] <slangasek> :)
[01:49] <Nafallo> back
[01:49] <Nafallo> flatmate is choking outbound with torrents :-/
[02:01] <Nafallo> slangasek: I'm probably better of tracking down one tomorrow and sleep nowisch. :-)
[02:11] <slangasek> ok - 'night :)
[02:37] <kees> cjwatson_: hrm... for intrepid+1 it looks like we need to set "ENCRYPT_METHOD SHA512" in /etc/login.defs and then stop forcing md5 on installer users.  (I just added some details to bug 51551)
[02:43] <Nafallo> slangasek: kees will sponsor. just to re-iterate, upload okay? :-)
[02:44] <kees> ah-ha!  I can read scroll-back.... yeowch I'm tired.  :)
[02:44] <Nafallo> lol
[02:44] <Nafallo> good it's a simple debdiff then ;-)
[02:44] <kees> yeah, looks fine, I'm shoving it now.  thanks!
[02:45] <Nafallo> I kind of only had energy drinks at home... so I had three :-)
[02:45] <Nafallo> perfect. thank you :-)
[02:45] <kees> hehe   okay, g'night!
[02:46] <Nafallo> kees: gnight :-)
[03:22] <Nafallo> slangasek: hal-info waiting for approval. and with that, I'm going to sleep.
[03:22] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:22] <Nafallo> gnight
[03:50] <ScottK> StevenK: If you have a moment, I'd appreciate you doing the removals in Bug #288949.  The package is in the joyous position of being neither installable nor buildable and it'd need to be completely ported to KDE4 to get out of that position.
[03:50] <StevenK> ScottK: Will do, when I stop getting distracted
[03:51] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.
[03:51] <ScottK> I figured you might need a break for some fun.
[03:53] <calc> if a source package builds lots of binary packages and one of the binary packages goes away in a new version shouldn't the old version of the binary package not be there to install either?
[03:54] <wgrant> No, it just becomes NBS.
[03:54] <wgrant> And an archive admin needs to remove it.
[03:54] <calc> ah
[03:54] <wgrant> But I thought it was said that NBS was empty a few hours ago.
[03:55] <ScottK> It is empty.
[03:55] <calc> openoffice.org-ogltrans on amd64 shouldn't still be installable on intrepid
[03:55]  * wgrant checks.
[03:55] <calc> unless i am misunderstanding something
[03:55] <wgrant> It's arch-specific?
[03:55] <calc> yes
[03:55] <calc> there is a version for i386 still but the amd64 version is broken
[03:56] <calc> so it went away for the newer builds
[03:56] <wgrant> Bug #276629, perhaps.
[03:56] <persia> The NBS script doesn't work for arch-specific : that requires a special "Please remove" bug.
[03:56] <persia> (or just nudging an archive-admin)
[03:56] <calc> oh ok, any archive admins around that can remove it? :)
[03:56] <wgrant> Or a poke-StevenK.
[03:56] <wgrant> Yes.
[03:57] <calc> StevenK: poke-ing you :)
[03:59] <ScottK> StevenK: Also for you list, vm-builder is hung up in binary New.  zul will buy the beer for that one.
[03:59] <ScottK> you/your
[04:11] <StevenK> ScottK: All done.
[04:11]  * StevenK looks at NEW
[04:11] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:12] <StevenK> ScottK, zul: vm-builder ACCEPTed
[04:13] <ScottK> Great.
[04:15] <NCommander> persia, ping
[04:17] <NCommander> persia, I can confirm the cegui-mk4 maintainer has no clue what they are doing
[04:17] <NCommander> persia, SILLY still isn't compiled in the latest upstream.
[04:17] <NCommander> ^package
[04:17] <persia> NCommander, You're saying it's complex enough that you think it needs an SRU rather than a quickfix?
[04:18] <NCommander> Unless i'm mistaken
[04:18] <NCommander> This is backports realm because we need a new library in intrepid
[04:18]  * NCommander is still making sure the missing codec actually isn't packaged
[04:18] <persia> NCommander, Thanks for looking.  Please comment at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/
[04:18] <NCommander> oh
[04:18] <NCommander> persia, there is a second work around
[04:19] <NCommander> Hold on
[04:19] <NCommander> As long as a PNG supported backend is compiled
[04:19] <NCommander> smc can be made to work
[04:19] <NCommander> Given the list of codecs that support PNG
[04:19] <persia> minimally invasive workarounds are where we are today :)
[04:19] <NCommander> This can be fixed
[04:19] <NCommander> persia, well, if this workaround holds water so the speak, we can fix this bug
[04:19]  * NCommander first opens the debian bug, and points the maintainer to the build log
[04:20]  * NCommander looks up how to re-open a bug
[04:21] <StevenK> NCommander: For debbugs? found <number> <version>
[04:21]  * NCommander nods
[04:22] <NCommander> thanks
[04:22] <persia> Does it need to be reopened in Debian?
[04:22] <NCommander> persia, I'm cooking a fix now
[04:22] <NCommander> persia, yeah
[04:22] <NCommander> persia, not the smc one
[04:22] <persia> Darn.
[04:22] <NCommander> a bug in cegui
[04:22] <NCommander> The maintainer is smoking crack since SILLY wasn't uploaded, and there are warnings in the build log about it
[04:23] <NCommander> But I can fix smc in intrepid
[04:23] <NCommander> persia, was there an Ubuntu bug?
[04:24] <crimsun> TheMuso: #274124 likely needs another fix; at least one person has confirmed that 70pulseaudio fails whereas 59pulseaudio does not fail
[04:25] <persia> NCommander, Not that I saw : just an entry on the RCbugs list.
[04:25] <TheMuso> crimsun: Trouble is that will cause pulse to run before dbus, and pulse/hal etc uses dbus.
[04:25] <NCommander> persia, ok, we need an ack from release because this adds a new feature (the library is compiled with an additional codec),
[04:25] <NCommander> persia, and well, an ack in general since its final freeze
[04:26] <crimsun> TheMuso: hmm, currently, is dbus invoked via the GNOME session script or via 75dbus_dbus-launch?
[04:26] <TheMuso> crimsun: by the latter.
[04:27] <crimsun> TheMuso: ok, so we're currently counting on 75dbus_dbus-launch completing before 70pulseaudio does?
[04:27] <persia> NCommander, Then we need a bug, with a patch, and request to MOTU-Release.
[04:27] <NCommander> persia, well, there are no code fixes, just a build-dep added
[04:27]  * NCommander looks up what he needs in the FFe
[04:27] <NCommander> After I confirm this fix work
[04:28] <TheMuso> crimsun: it doesn't quite work like that. Each script adds their executable to the STARTUP variable, which the last file executes: 99x11-common_start
[04:28] <TheMuso> 6/c
[04:28] <NCommander> ScottK, what are your bug?
[04:29] <NCommander> persia, woooo, cegui FTBFS :-)
[04:30] <ScottK> NCommander: Mine was Bug #288931
[04:30] <NCommander> Oh right
[04:30] <crimsun> TheMuso: right, but we're still looking at a timing issue :-(
[04:31] <NCommander> ScottK, the backtrace is kinda O_o;
[04:31] <TheMuso> crimsun: Yes, but I'm not sure if pulse's functionality would be broken should we run pulse prior to dbus.
[04:31] <crimsun> it doesn't appear to have broken, but I'll gather more testers in the next day
[04:32] <TheMuso> ok
[04:34] <ScottK> NCommander: I'd at least like to distill what's there into as reasonable an upstream bug as we can.  They're releasing a new version in a week and a half and their RCs don't usually get a lot of testing, so this is likely news for them.
[04:34] <NCommander> ScottK, can you reproduce?
[04:34] <NCommander> The backtrace is giving me very little so to speak
[04:35] <NCommander> (it looks like thunderbird and clamav's talk to each other over sockets, and thunderbird sent a bad command causing the segfault)
[04:35] <NCommander> But thats just specuation without some serious debugging
[04:35] <ScottK> I haven't had any crashes here, but I don't have Thunderbird or said plugin.
[04:35] <NCommander> Has that plugin been binary rebuilt against the new API/ABI?
[04:36] <ScottK> It's a non-packaged plugin, but the clamd API is pretty stable.
[04:36] <ScottK> It's libclamav that's all over the map.
[04:37] <NCommander> I don't think this plugin compiles against any clam protocol
[04:37] <ScottK> No.  It just talks across the socket.
[04:37] <NCommander> My guess? Bad data
[04:37] <NCommander> Granted
[04:38] <NCommander> That shouldn't cause a segfault
[04:38] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:38] <ScottK> Crashes are by definition bugs.
[04:38]  * NCommander grumbles
[04:38] <NCommander> I have no real interest in weeding bugs out of clamav, but I can help improve the bug report if I can reproduce it
[04:38] <ScottK> OK.
[04:39] <ScottK> I'm less after a fix than I am an actionable bug report.
[04:39] <ScottK> Let me see what I can do with reproducing.
[08:07] <esac> any idea what happened to class_device_create in 2.6.27 ? my smart card driver is no longer compiling since it seems this function is no longer declared? or did ubuntu intrepid just screw something up in the default kernel config?
[08:22] <esac> nevermind, i fixed it
[10:13] <pitti> superm1: hal-info> I don't use tags, I just set them to fix committed
[10:14] <Hobbsee> If anyone's trying to nominate bugs, but can't, please mention them in -release or something.
[11:04] <mdke> kwwii: we don't have any screenshots of the desktop in the documentation
[11:04] <mdke> Mirv: the string comes from the gnome-user-docs package, unfortunately it has quite a few problems in Rosetta at the moment so I think the translation will have to come post-release
[11:05] <mdke> slangasek: saw your comment on the bug, that's fine yeah
[11:09] <cjwatson> kees: md5 acknowledged for jaunty but I don't think we have time to fix and test it for intrepid now
[11:19] <kwwii> mdke: cool, that's less work :-)
[12:34] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ grep "Name\[de\]" /usr/share/applications/cheese.desktop
[12:34] <ogra> Name[de]=Cheese-Website
[12:35] <ogra> hmm, so why does my menu properly say "Cheese" in german ?
[12:35] <asac> was für ein Käse ;)
[12:35] <ogra> jau
[12:36] <asac> Käse-Website (doesn't sound better for me)
[12:36] <ogra> lol
[12:36] <Treenaks> Webcam in German is Website?
[12:36] <ogra> i'm just curious why that translation doesnt show up in my menu
[12:36] <ogra> Traxer, definately not
[12:37] <ogra> err Treenaks ^^^
[12:37] <ogra> sorry Traxer
[12:37] <Treenaks> ogra: is there a more specific de-DE entry also in the .desktop file?
[12:37] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ grep "Name\[de" /usr/share/applications/cheese.desktop
[12:37] <ogra> Name[de]=Cheese-Website
[12:37] <ogra> nope
[12:38] <ogra> and the geneic one is Name=Cheese Webcam Booth
[12:38] <Treenaks> maybe the "-" is special?
[12:39] <ogra> i have entries with a - in them in the menu, i doubt that
[12:40] <ogra> i mean its great that that broken translation doesnt show up, but i dont get why it doesnt
[12:42] <asac> ogra: for me cheese doesnt show up at all here
[12:43] <ogra> intresting
[12:43] <ogra> aha
[12:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ ls .local/share/applications/cheese.desktop
[12:43] <ogra> .local/share/applications/cheese.desktop
[12:43]  * ogra removes
[12:44] <asac> ogra: yeah. that was expected
[12:44] <ogra> and now i see Cheese-Website
[12:44] <asac> congrats
[12:44] <ogra> asac, should be in Graphics
[12:44] <asac> i still dont see it at all ... but i will remove that now ;)
[12:45] <asac> indeed.
[12:45]  * ogra files a bug about the broken translation
[12:45] <asac> ogra: just fix it ;)
[12:46] <asac> ok out for a while.
[13:42] <slytherin> pitti: is it possible to revert the deletion of electric? You seem to have missed the fact that the package was updated in Ubuntu at version 8.07-0ubuntu1 and the orphaned version in Debian was 6.05-4.
[13:50] <psypointer> hi
[13:51] <psypointer> i'm in trouble with kubuntu 8.10. i'm getting dependency problems when installing kde. kdebase-workspace-data 4.xxx-ubuntu11 is installable, ...-ubuntu12 is needed. what can i do to install it with version 11?
[13:52] <psypointer> or is this a known bug and i just have to wait till the repos are updated?
[14:03] <ScottK> psypointer: 12 was uploaded last night.  Just wait.
[14:04] <psypointer> ScottK: oh okay, just waiting for mirror sync, right? :>)
[14:06] <ScottK> psypointer: Yes.  I have it in my updates here.
[14:07] <psypointer> hmm okay. how often are the mirrors synced?
[14:07] <ScottK> No good answer for this.  The most correct one I could give you is 'It depends'.
[14:08] <ScottK> The build is still pending for sparc.  I assume you aren't on sparc?
[14:09] <psypointer> you're right. i'm on amd64@de.archive.ubuntu.com :)
[14:09] <psypointer> well, i'll just retry it in an hour. thanks for your help ScottK
[14:09] <ScottK> amd64 is built, but it was after i386.  Good luck.
[14:10] <psypointer> thanks, good bye
[14:11] <psypointer> ScottK: on archive.ubuntu.com it's the actual version, works perfect, thanks
[15:28] <bandie91> hi all
[15:29] <bandie91> help, i wish to create a bootable live cd, with specific packages installed, and personalized dotfiles
[15:29] <bandie91> is there any livecd-creator?
[16:50] <kees> cjwatson: yeah, I have no interest in touching login.defs (or the installer) this late.  :)
[17:04] <NCommander> hey BenC
[17:05] <BenC> NCommander: hey....have you tried out your zinc account yet?
[17:06] <NCommander> BenC, I can login, but I haven't pushed any source yet (been spending the weekend w/ mom)
[17:08] <BenC> NCommander: As long as you can login, I'm happy
[17:08] <NCommander> \o/
[17:09] <NCommander> BenC, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-team - out of curiosity, how do I get membership in this team ;-)
[17:15] <ScottK> NCommander: I think I got my answer on the clamav crash.
[17:16] <ScottK> Responses from the reporter included "I tried to install the Dazuko modules.  I'm not sure if I removed them or not."
[17:16] <NCommander> ScottK, Dazuko?
[17:17] <ScottK> It's a set of kernel modules to enable on-access file scanning.
[17:17] <ScottK> It's used by some other Linux A/V products.
[17:17] <NCommander> Oh I see
[17:18] <ScottK> And last I checked, there was no easy way to make it work right with our kernel.
[17:20] <NCommander> ScottK, ah good. GOt any more bug reports for me?
[17:21] <ScottK> NCommander: Whacking stuff off the RC bug list is my best suggestion.
[17:22] <BenC> NCommander: request it
[17:22] <NCommander> BenC, request it how?
[17:22]  * NCommander already applied to the team
[17:24] <BenC> NCommander: ok, I'll check the member requests later today
[18:58] <Pazzo> Hi @ll - installed latest Intrepid upgrades today, it messed up my sound support :-( Volume, mixers etc are ok, but there are just strange noises, no sound anymore (Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook E-Series). Is anyone els experiencing the same problem?
[19:00] <Pazzo> Sorry, wrong channel
[19:17] <lukehasnoname> bug #16411
[19:18] <lukehasnoname> cjwatson: LILO apparently CAN'T boot into LVM'ed /boot. This bug occurred with me yesterday, and only because I tried installing Fedora did I get a warning about what I had been doing wrong.
[20:31] <lool> Hmmpf [212572.448858] Xvfb[13814]: segfault at 2 ip 0000000000507665 sp 00007fffbdf60630 error 4 in Xvfb[400000+1b3000]
[20:35] <lool> cjwatson: I guess mbr built fine in a lpia chroot for you?
[20:42] <lool> Hmm and now klogd taking 100% CPU
[20:43] <NCommander> StevenK, poke?
[20:44] <cjwatson> lool: I can't say I remember, it was a long time ago
[20:44] <cjwatson> I think I did try but I really can't remember how I set up the chroot
[22:07] <wgrant> kwwii: Erm, why did you steal my panel background?
[22:07] <wgrant> Removing it by default, sure.
[22:08] <wgrant> But removing the actual file wasn't necessary.
[22:08] <wgrant> Now my panels look crap again.
[22:08] <elementz> hi everybody
[22:09] <elementz> i am trying to change the position of the windows created by the notification-daemon. to my understanding, this is only possible through the app that is calling the daemon right? does the api actually offer means of placing the popups by coordinates?
[22:10] <Nafallo> elementz: hi. please look at the /topic :-)
[22:11] <elementz> Nafallo: k thx
[22:11] <elementz> Nafallo: ubuntu-moto would be the proper channel then?
[22:11] <Nafallo> elementz: #ubuntu
[22:22] <Laney> Is there a hardy ppa for usb-creator?
[22:38] <philsf> I'd like to file a bug against the graphical installer. what package should I use in lp?
[22:38] <slangasek> philsf: if you mean the installer itself, ubiquity.  If you mean the liveCD environment, I'd have to think
[22:39] <philsf> slangasek: the installer itself. I thought ubiquity was only the windows one?
[22:39] <slangasek> ubiquity is the graphical installer in the liveCD
[22:39] <philsf> ok, thanks
[22:39] <slangasek> the windows one is "wubi"
[22:40] <philsf> btw, it's a only a wishlist bug, no worries for intrepid :)
[22:40] <philsf> wubi, that's right
[23:28] <kwwii> wgrant: because it was not easily editable by a newbie
[23:28] <kwwii> anyway...time for sleep
[23:30] <wgrant> You could at least have kept the file in the package...