| Eeyore-Jr_ | Nubae: i'm going to start on my fat client. what link did you give me this morning? | 02:01 |
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| Eeyore-Jr_ | on a fat client, is there a way to get it to only run the graphics programs ? my fat client would run programs slower than the server. | 02:02 |
| Ahmuck | is edubuntu a "add-on" cd now ? | 02:48 |
| stgraber | yes, since 8.04 | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | hi stgraber | 03:00 |
| stgraber | hey LaserJock | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: nice work on LTSP lately | 03:03 |
| stgraber | yeah, working full-time on it helps :) | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: Intrepid might work out afterall ;-) | 03:03 |
| stgraber | I'm finishing the localapps implementation for ltsp-cluster now (testing it basically), then will propose the change upstream | 03:04 |
| stgraber | basically it's about generating a "Local applications" menu with the softwares that are installed in the chroot | 03:04 |
| stgraber | so you can do fullscreen youtube with firefox, blender, audacity or skype video conf which weren't possible before | 03:04 |
| Eeyore-Jr | without a "fat" client? | 03:04 |
| stgraber | yeah | 03:05 |
| Eeyore-Jr | neat | 03:05 |
| Eeyore-Jr | really neat | 03:05 |
| Eeyore-Jr | how does that work? | 03:05 |
| Eeyore-Jr | theoretically | 03:05 |
| stgraber | softwares are installed in the chroot, an entry is added to /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ with a .desktop for that softwares | 03:06 |
| stgraber | when the user session open, a rc.d script is run that'll generate a xdg menu off it | 03:06 |
| stgraber | so the menu entries will appear on the server, clicking on it will set a X property that's read on the thin client and will trigger the software you clicked | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | I'd love to be able to run chemistry apps locally | 03:08 |
| Eeyore-Jr | ah, they run locally? | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | that's been a big sticking point to me pushing to do an LTSP deployment in my department | 03:08 |
| Eeyore-Jr | so to run large graphics you would still need a machine capable of doing it | 03:09 |
| Eeyore-Jr | on the client side? | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:09 |
| Eeyore-Jr | hrm | 03:09 |
| Eeyore-Jr | so, how do you mix thin and fat then, still have to tell it by mac address? | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | the point of localapps is to shift CPU load to the client | 03:09 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yeah, we were requested to make blender, celestia and some other edu software to work on thin clients, local apps help a lot for that :) | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | Eeyore-Jr: you have the local apps you want installed in the chroot | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | Eeyore-Jr: it's still a thin client | 03:10 |
| stgraber | Eeyore-Jr: localapps can be turned on/off using the LOCALAPPS lts.conf parameter, so you can turn it off for computers that can't run it | 03:10 |
| Eeyore-Jr | i'm confused sorta | 03:10 |
| Eeyore-Jr | how does the server know when to turn them off? mac address? | 03:11 |
| Eeyore-Jr | listing ? | 03:11 |
| stgraber | the menu being generated by the thin client, the server doesn't need to know about it | 03:11 |
| Eeyore-Jr | can i keep asking questions without being annoying. i'm still trying to understand what's going on | 03:12 |
| Eeyore-Jr | the menu that is generated by the thin client is generated according to it's specs? | 03:12 |
| Eeyore-Jr | it generates a "thin" menu if it has certian hardware specs? | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: I guess what Eeyore-Jr is asking is what happens if you have mixed thin clients, only some of which you want to run localapps on | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: can you set LOCLAPPS on a per/client basis? | 03:13 |
| Eeyore-Jr | i was under the impression that "fat" clients were beefier machines, and requried a special mac addressing schema on the server to identify them | 03:14 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yes | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | Eeyore-Jr: I think ^^ answers your question | 03:14 |
| Eeyore-Jr | ok, let me re-phrase. i have 450mhz, 256mb ram machines, but would like to run some gl games, which would require machines with higher specs, such as 1Ghz, 512MB, and 64MB video memory | 03:15 |
| stgraber | you can turn on/off the localapps using lts.conf which uses mac address, so you can turn off localapps for some thin clients | 03:15 |
| Eeyore-Jr | on a file on the server | 03:15 |
| Eeyore-Jr | or a file with a mac address list so that heavy apps are not turned on | 03:15 |
| stgraber | I'm working on ltsp-cluster where we have a control center that's used to generate lts.conf based on some attributes (including hardware specifications) but it's probably a bit too big for your own installation | 03:15 |
| stgraber | (we use it with load balancing for really big networks) | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | Eeyore-Jr: lts.conf is on the server | 03:16 |
| Eeyore-Jr | actually, i've been thinking about a bewolf ltsp cluster. is that possible? | 03:16 |
| Eeyore-Jr | parallel ltsp ? | 03:16 |
| Eeyore-Jr | well, i think i have a better idea what's going on. thx for the info, i'll put it in my planning | 03:18 |
| Eeyore-Jr | it's late. gnite | 03:18 |
| Eeyore-Jr_ | one thing i noticed is that there were full menus for ltsp. menus for installing software, etc. i assume menus can be customized. installing software always brought up a password prompt. i can see users confusion on this | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | Eeyore-Jr: why? | 04:10 |
| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav! | 04:11 |
| sbalneav | Hey LaserJock | 04:11 |
| stgraber | hey sbalneav | 04:11 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: I implemented a "Local applications" menu today, generated by the thin client from a config file in /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ :) | 04:12 |
| sbalneav | Nice | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | we should set a time for a Jaunty planning meeting | 04:23 |
| stgraber | yep | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | Wed. 20:00 UTC? | 04:27 |
| stgraber | hmm, with release on Thursday, I'd prefer after-release | 04:28 |
| stgraber | and 19:00 UTC would be better as I need to leave the office at 21:00 UTC (and last hour is usually quite busy) | 04:29 |
| stgraber | Friday 19:00 UTC would be great (or any time starting from 12:00 UTC) | 04:30 |
| sbalneav | Sigh | 04:34 |
| sbalneav | Multibin printing doesn't work in OpenOffice.org in Intrepid. | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | I can't do it earlier than 19:00 UTC on Friday | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | but 19:00 would work | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: no? | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | No. | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | I'll have to dig into it. | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: can you tell if it's on the OO.o end? | 04:37 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: ok, so let's go with Friday 19:00 UTC | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | Ubuntu will never, EVER, make it big in business if it can't get this right. | 04:38 |
| sbalneav | No idea. It didn't work for hardy, either. | 04:38 |
| sbalneav | I came up with a patch for cups upstream. | 04:38 |
| sbalneav | the pstops filter was broken hard. | 04:39 |
| sbalneav | Talked to Till in #ubuntu-devel, pointed him to the fix, but it's never been patched. | 04:39 |
| sbalneav | Now cups has changed YET AGAIN, with the "all pdf all the time" printing method. | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | so now, it's broken. | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | again. | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | And I'll have to fix it. | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | Again. | 04:40 |
| stgraber | Argh, looks like I found a way to break ltsp-cluster so my test terminal doesn't boot ... of course it's 30km away and my only way to access it until Monday is ssh ... | 04:41 |
| stgraber | I wish I'd have my test lab at home, would be a lot easier | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: what about the next Wednesday? | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | I just realized that Friday would be Halloween here | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | and I'm not sure what my schedule will be since I have the day off | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: what does multibin printing do btw? | 04:51 |
| stgraber | oh right, forgot about halloween. | 04:51 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: Wednesday early afternoon is fine, then I'll need to pack stuff for LTSP BTS | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | so Nov. 5th at 20:00UTC | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | that'd be one of our usual Edubuntu meeting times anyway | 04:52 |
| stgraber | hmm, that's not really early afternoon in my tiemzone :) | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | Well, with a laser printer in an office environment, you'll often have at least 3 bins: | 04:52 |
| stgraber | 17:00UTC or 18:00UTC would be a lot better | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | 1 for plain, one for letterhead, and an envelope feeder. | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | And often, the manual feed tray filled with legal size. | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | oh | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | I thought it was an LTSP thing :-) | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | Currently, no matter what you set the paper tray as, it comes out on the default bin. | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | Which means it's a complete non-starter to move to. | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: Ubuntu QA meeting is 17:00-18:00, should we go for 18:00? | 04:54 |
| stgraber | ah right, the QA meeting :) yeah let's go with 18:00 | 04:55 |
| stgraber | I know of some people at Revolution Linux who will likely also be interested in attending the meeting | 04:57 |
| stgraber | where do we do it ? #ubuntu-meeting | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | I'm writing up an email to edubuntu-devel | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: anywhere else you think I should send it? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | heck, maybe I should CC ubuntu-devel | 04:59 |
| stgraber | yeah, ubuntu-devel may be good too | 04:59 |
| stgraber | maybe edubuntu-users ? I'm not sure who we have on that list though (I'm not subscribed) | 04:59 |
| stgraber | send it to the fridge mailinglist too so it gets added to the fridge | 05:00 |
| stgraber | ubuntu-news-team@l.u.c that's | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: thanks :) | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hi | 06:52 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserZ | 06:52 |
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| Eeyore-Jr__ | stgraber: what is a test lab for you comprise of ? | 14:48 |
| Eeyore-Jr__ | i'd like to attend the meeting | 14:50 |
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| Eeyore-Jr_ | hi. will *untu and/or ltsp use a quad processor? | 18:42 |
| Eeyore-Jr_ | quad core? | 18:44 |
| Nubae | Eeyore-Jr sure | 19:12 |
| Eeyore-Jr_ | neat. that's what i'm picking out for the server | 19:17 |
| Eeyore-Jr_ | and 4G of ram | 19:18 |
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