[02:01] Nubae: i'm going to start on my fat client. what link did you give me this morning? [02:02] on a fat client, is there a way to get it to only run the graphics programs ? my fat client would run programs slower than the server. [02:48] is edubuntu a "add-on" cd now ? [02:50] yes, since 8.04 [03:00] hi stgraber [03:02] hey LaserJock [03:03] stgraber: nice work on LTSP lately [03:03] yeah, working full-time on it helps :) [03:03] stgraber: Intrepid might work out afterall ;-) [03:04] I'm finishing the localapps implementation for ltsp-cluster now (testing it basically), then will propose the change upstream [03:04] basically it's about generating a "Local applications" menu with the softwares that are installed in the chroot [03:04] so you can do fullscreen youtube with firefox, blender, audacity or skype video conf which weren't possible before [03:04] without a "fat" client? [03:05] yeah [03:05] neat [03:05] really neat [03:05] how does that work? [03:05] theoretically [03:06] softwares are installed in the chroot, an entry is added to /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ with a .desktop for that softwares [03:06] when the user session open, a rc.d script is run that'll generate a xdg menu off it [03:06] so the menu entries will appear on the server, clicking on it will set a X property that's read on the thin client and will trigger the software you clicked [03:08] I'd love to be able to run chemistry apps locally [03:08] ah, they run locally? [03:08] that's been a big sticking point to me pushing to do an LTSP deployment in my department [03:09] so to run large graphics you would still need a machine capable of doing it [03:09] on the client side? [03:09] yeah [03:09] hrm [03:09] so, how do you mix thin and fat then, still have to tell it by mac address? [03:09] the point of localapps is to shift CPU load to the client [03:10] LaserJock: yeah, we were requested to make blender, celestia and some other edu software to work on thin clients, local apps help a lot for that :) [03:10] Eeyore-Jr: you have the local apps you want installed in the chroot [03:10] Eeyore-Jr: it's still a thin client [03:10] Eeyore-Jr: localapps can be turned on/off using the LOCALAPPS lts.conf parameter, so you can turn it off for computers that can't run it [03:10] i'm confused sorta [03:11] how does the server know when to turn them off? mac address? [03:11] listing ? [03:11] the menu being generated by the thin client, the server doesn't need to know about it [03:12] can i keep asking questions without being annoying. i'm still trying to understand what's going on [03:12] the menu that is generated by the thin client is generated according to it's specs? [03:13] it generates a "thin" menu if it has certian hardware specs? [03:13] stgraber: I guess what Eeyore-Jr is asking is what happens if you have mixed thin clients, only some of which you want to run localapps on [03:13] stgraber: can you set LOCLAPPS on a per/client basis? [03:14] i was under the impression that "fat" clients were beefier machines, and requried a special mac addressing schema on the server to identify them [03:14] LaserJock: yes [03:14] Eeyore-Jr: I think ^^ answers your question [03:15] ok, let me re-phrase. i have 450mhz, 256mb ram machines, but would like to run some gl games, which would require machines with higher specs, such as 1Ghz, 512MB, and 64MB video memory [03:15] you can turn on/off the localapps using lts.conf which uses mac address, so you can turn off localapps for some thin clients [03:15] on a file on the server [03:15] or a file with a mac address list so that heavy apps are not turned on [03:15] I'm working on ltsp-cluster where we have a control center that's used to generate lts.conf based on some attributes (including hardware specifications) but it's probably a bit too big for your own installation [03:16] (we use it with load balancing for really big networks) [03:16] Eeyore-Jr: lts.conf is on the server [03:16] actually, i've been thinking about a bewolf ltsp cluster. is that possible? [03:16] parallel ltsp ? [03:18] well, i think i have a better idea what's going on. thx for the info, i'll put it in my planning [03:18] it's late. gnite [04:10] one thing i noticed is that there were full menus for ltsp. menus for installing software, etc. i assume menus can be customized. installing software always brought up a password prompt. i can see users confusion on this [04:10] Eeyore-Jr: why? [04:10] Evening all [04:11] sbalneav! [04:11] Hey LaserJock [04:11] hey sbalneav [04:12] sbalneav: I implemented a "Local applications" menu today, generated by the thin client from a config file in /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ :) [04:13] Nice [04:23] we should set a time for a Jaunty planning meeting [04:23] yep [04:27] Wed. 20:00 UTC? [04:28] hmm, with release on Thursday, I'd prefer after-release [04:29] and 19:00 UTC would be better as I need to leave the office at 21:00 UTC (and last hour is usually quite busy) [04:30] Friday 19:00 UTC would be great (or any time starting from 12:00 UTC) [04:34] Sigh [04:34] Multibin printing doesn't work in OpenOffice.org in Intrepid. [04:35] I can't do it earlier than 19:00 UTC on Friday [04:35] but 19:00 would work [04:36] sbalneav: no? [04:37] No. [04:37] I'll have to dig into it. [04:37] sbalneav: can you tell if it's on the OO.o end? [04:37] LaserJock: ok, so let's go with Friday 19:00 UTC [04:38] Ubuntu will never, EVER, make it big in business if it can't get this right. [04:38] No idea. It didn't work for hardy, either. [04:38] I came up with a patch for cups upstream. [04:39] the pstops filter was broken hard. [04:39] Talked to Till in #ubuntu-devel, pointed him to the fix, but it's never been patched. [04:40] Now cups has changed YET AGAIN, with the "all pdf all the time" printing method. [04:40] so now, it's broken. [04:40] again. [04:40] And I'll have to fix it. [04:40] Again. [04:41] Argh, looks like I found a way to break ltsp-cluster so my test terminal doesn't boot ... of course it's 30km away and my only way to access it until Monday is ssh ... [04:41] I wish I'd have my test lab at home, would be a lot easier [04:49] stgraber: what about the next Wednesday? [04:50] I just realized that Friday would be Halloween here [04:50] and I'm not sure what my schedule will be since I have the day off [04:51] sbalneav: what does multibin printing do btw? [04:51] oh right, forgot about halloween. [04:52] LaserJock: Wednesday early afternoon is fine, then I'll need to pack stuff for LTSP BTS [04:52] so Nov. 5th at 20:00UTC [04:52] that'd be one of our usual Edubuntu meeting times anyway [04:52] hmm, that's not really early afternoon in my tiemzone :) [04:52] Well, with a laser printer in an office environment, you'll often have at least 3 bins: [04:53] 17:00UTC or 18:00UTC would be a lot better [04:53] 1 for plain, one for letterhead, and an envelope feeder. [04:53] And often, the manual feed tray filled with legal size. [04:53] oh [04:53] I thought it was an LTSP thing :-) [04:54] Currently, no matter what you set the paper tray as, it comes out on the default bin. [04:54] Which means it's a complete non-starter to move to. [04:54] stgraber: Ubuntu QA meeting is 17:00-18:00, should we go for 18:00? [04:55] ah right, the QA meeting :) yeah let's go with 18:00 [04:57] I know of some people at Revolution Linux who will likely also be interested in attending the meeting [04:57] where do we do it ? #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] yeah [04:58] I'm writing up an email to edubuntu-devel [04:59] stgraber: anywhere else you think I should send it? [04:59] heck, maybe I should CC ubuntu-devel [04:59] yeah, ubuntu-devel may be good too [04:59] maybe edubuntu-users ? I'm not sure who we have on that list though (I'm not subscribed) [05:00] send it to the fridge mailinglist too so it gets added to the fridge [05:01] ubuntu-news-team@l.u.c that's [06:51] stgraber: thanks :) [06:52] highvoltage: hi [06:52] hi LaserZ === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [14:48] stgraber: what is a test lab for you comprise of ? [14:50] i'd like to attend the meeting === SoUkSoU[Away] is now known as SoUkSoU [18:42] hi. will *untu and/or ltsp use a quad processor? [18:44] quad core? [19:12] Eeyore-Jr sure [19:17] neat. that's what i'm picking out for the server [19:18] and 4G of ram === Eeyore-Jr_ is now known as Eeyore-Sr === johnny_ is now known as Guest21121