| vorian | wth | 00:37 |
|---|---|---|
| NCommander | vorian, ? | 00:46 |
| vorian | sorry | 00:46 |
| vorian | i got a weird email w/out a body | 00:46 |
| vorian | The Future of Linux Computing- Gnu Gnome stomps on Trolltech KDE! | 00:47 |
| a|wen | vorian: you are not alone on that one | 00:47 |
| * JontheEchidna hasn't got it | 00:47 | |
| vorian | from dark star? | 00:47 |
| a|wen | vorian: exactly | 00:49 |
| vorian | a|wen: weird | 00:49 |
| a|wen | vorian: I got something similar (spam like) earlier from the same address ... i suppose it really is spam now | 00:50 |
| vorian | hmm | 00:51 |
| vorian | some people :P | 00:51 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: At least be a MOTU and convince jdong you know what you are doing. Since you're core-dev, you'll be able to upload source backports if needed and that'll be good not to be the only one on the team. | 01:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I marked in the bug. | 01:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: thanks. btw, quassel needs another FFe => bug 289291 | 01:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289291 in quassel "FFe needed for upstream bug fix in prior security fix" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289291 | 01:22 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Read the bug. | 01:22 |
| ScottK | The FFe one. | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | ah :) | 01:23 |
| * apachelogger hugs ScottK | 01:23 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, interested in joining backports? | 01:42 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: yes, I have a backport setup for KDE releases anyway, so in can as well spend some time with official backports ;-) | 01:48 |
| * NCommander hugs apachelogger | 01:48 | |
| NCommander | I'm a backporter once I become an MOTU | 01:48 |
| * NCommander already got an ACK from jdong | 01:48 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, you can help upload backports :-) | 01:50 |
| apachelogger | you are not MOTU yet? | 01:50 |
| ScottK | His app is pending. | 01:51 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You know how that can feel. | 01:51 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 01:51 |
| apachelogger | I had to poke them about smarter as well | 01:51 |
| apachelogger | maybe one should just become more annoying with every day that passes by ;-) | 01:52 |
| ScottK | So am I the only one that is seriously annoyed at the Ubuntu brown I see on wiki.kubuntu.org? | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | purple would be better | 01:53 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: we only link to /Kubuntu I think, so it's only a minor issue IMHO | 01:54 |
| ScottK | OK. So I'm the only one. | 01:55 |
| NCommander | ScottK, yes. | 01:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: pretty much, it should be taken care of though | 01:56 |
| NCommander | ScottK, er, I mean, no, I am too | 01:56 |
| * apachelogger thinks moin needs some sensible multidomain feature in general | 01:56 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, well, I know one member of the team said they'd review within 30 hours, and that was yesterday | 01:57 |
| ScottK | All I've gotten is "Anyone who is subscribed to the page got notified and no one complained so it's fine." | 01:58 |
| apachelogger | mhh, stepchild treatment | 01:59 |
| * NCommander notes Xubuntu hasn't had a working theme ever | 02:00 | |
| NCommander | kubuntu seems to be the ugly stepchild this entire release | 02:00 |
| apachelogger | true | 02:00 |
| * apachelogger should poke knome about a wiki theme for xubuntu | 02:02 | |
| apachelogger | in fact, I think we should use the same with different colors :P | 02:02 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, you should see my desktop, it doesn't even look like Xubuntu ATM | 02:06 |
| ScottK | Oddly enough, mine doesn't either. | 02:07 |
| NCommander | ScottK, I'd be worried if Kubuntu looked like Xubuntu | 02:07 |
| ScottK | Sorry. The irony flag is set here tonight. | 02:08 |
| * NCommander changes #kubuntu-devel mode: -i | 02:10 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: I see you have the irony flag too. "Here" is in my head. | 02:14 |
| * NCommander changes ScottK's mode: -irony | 02:15 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: You might want to consider the alternative is worse. | 02:16 |
| NCommander | o_o? | 02:16 |
| ScottK | Yeah. Bad day. | 02:17 |
| NCommander | Ouch | 02:17 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1748/screenshot2ht1.th.png | 02:24 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, that's my desktop | 02:24 |
| JontheEchidna | nice thumbnail ;P | 02:24 |
| NCommander | http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2ht1.png ^- JontheEchidna | 02:25 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, methinks a desktop that looked like that would drive me crazy | 02:25 |
| NCommander | the black on white? | 02:25 |
| JontheEchidna | black on black | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | no close buttons on windows | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | or minimize, etc | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | but now I am tasked to make Plasma look like that | 02:26 |
| NCommander | JontheEchidna, ? | 02:27 |
| NCommander | The buttons are all there, just a little hard to see | 02:27 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 02:27 |
| NCommander | The Crux theme doesn't handle dark colors too well | 02:28 |
| ScottK | Sounds like a profile one of my kids would like. | 02:28 |
| ScottK | I sit down to help them and I can | 02:28 |
| NCommander | But all the icons are there if you look hard for them | 02:28 |
| ScottK | can't read a thing because the contrast is so lown | 02:28 |
| NCommander | I just find darker colors are easier on the eyes | 02:28 |
| JontheEchidna | is this gnome or xfce? | 02:28 |
| NCommander | Xfce | 02:28 |
| NCommander | Don't you see the transparent mouse bleeding through in the corner? | 02:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, I saw some gnome-y icons | 02:28 |
| NCommander | I'm using the GNOME icon set | 02:29 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, that's why :P | 02:29 |
| NCommander | The Xfce one bugs me for some reason | 02:29 |
| * NCommander has inactive windows get a slight transparency, so in the corner of my desktop I can see the Xubuntu logo | 02:29 | |
| NCommander | JontheEchidna, its Xfce 4.6, so I get all sorts of neat tranparency effects, its actually quite nice | 02:31 |
| ScottK | Would someone please look at Debian Bug #503401 and see if we care? | 02:36 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 503401 in kvirc "try to start command via irc:// handler" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/503401 | 02:36 |
| NCommander | ScottK, looks like we're affected since we have the same version as Debian | 02:41 |
| JontheEchidna | NCommander: http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfceclonetg9.png | 02:47 |
| JontheEchidna | Locking the widgets'll get rid of all those plasma symbols on the panels btw | 02:47 |
| NCommander | That's sexy | 02:47 |
| JontheEchidna | ^_^ | 02:48 |
| * NCommander hacks on the jaunty-ports kernel | 02:49 | |
| JontheEchidna | heh, the color scheme didn't change all the way for Konsole | 02:49 |
| NCommander | my biggest grip with KDE4 is its slow as a dog without acceleration | 02:49 |
| JontheEchidna | my dad finds the Task Manager applet to be his biggest gripe | 02:55 |
| JontheEchidna | the lack of multiple rows and task grouping | 02:56 |
| JontheEchidna | 1-row taskmanagers don't do well with 8 xterms + FF + Thunderbird + whatever else he may be running | 02:56 |
| NCommander | ouch | 02:58 |
| NCommander | wait, xterm? | 02:58 |
| NCommander | ew | 02:58 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, he has 8 xterms plastered across 2 desktops | 02:58 |
| JontheEchidna | with which he does programming in vi | 02:59 |
| NCommander | He should at least use konsole or something else | 02:59 |
| JontheEchidna | His new laptop is really nice | 03:02 |
| JontheEchidna | Intrepid looks and runs great on it | 03:02 |
| JontheEchidna | He turned off desktop effects because he didn't like the tooltip previews, lol | 03:03 |
| NCommander | lol | 03:27 |
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| ScottK | NCommander: Can you check out the fix then? | 03:47 |
| NCommander | ScottK, there isn't one for kvirc yet expect new upstream | 03:48 |
| * NCommander is looking to see if backporting is an option | 03:49 | |
| NCommander | ScottK, there is a lot of "noise" in their SVN repo, finding the fix will be tricky as hell | 03:51 |
| ScottK | Perfect for you then. | 03:52 |
| * NCommander feels loved | 03:52 | |
| NCommander | ScottK, 3.4.0 -> 3.4.2 is described as a bug-fix release | 03:53 |
| NCommander | It might simply be worth updating | 03:53 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. apachelogger: What do you think? | 03:53 |
| ScottK | Maybe JontheEchidna will do some testing ... | 03:55 |
| * NCommander just learned that things shouldn't get published into -updates until aging 7 days | 04:00 | |
| NCommander | O_o; | 04:00 |
| dotancohen | Hello devs. A very critical KDE accessibility bug has been fixed, and I would like to know how soon it may be incorporated into Kubuntu? I am currently stuck on KDE 3.x because of it, and thus I will not be upgrading to Kubuntu 8.10 | 10:25 |
| dotancohen | This is the bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165402 | 10:25 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 165402 in general "No "show keyboard status" indicator in KDE4" [Wishlist,Reopened] | 10:25 |
| dotancohen | Was fixed in KDE SVN commit 876002 | 10:26 |
| Arby | Riddell: apachelogger: is it worth trying to get a patch for bug 275596 in before final or shall I just wait for post release updates? | 11:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275596 in kdepim "(Kubuntu Intrepid) Akregator will not display feed contents" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275596 | 11:01 |
| a|wen | Arby: if you have a package ready in a PPA or the like i'll be happy to give it some testing; then you'll at least have some 3rd party testing done also before throwing it in | 11:05 |
| Arby | a|wen: I haven't built a package yet, that's next on the list | 11:06 |
| Arby | The fix is trivial if you don't mind having a look at it | 11:06 |
| Arby | there's a diff attached to the bug | 11:07 |
| Arby | it's literally on number in the akregatorrc file | 11:07 |
| dotancohen | Hello devs. A very critical KDE accessibility bug has been fixed, and I would like to know how soon it may be incorporated into Kubuntu? I am currently stuck on KDE 3.x because of it, and thus I will not be upgrading to Kubuntu 8.10 | 11:08 |
| dotancohen | This is the bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165402 | 11:09 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 165402 in general "No "show keyboard status" indicator in KDE4" [Wishlist,Reopened] | 11:09 |
| dotancohen | Was fixed in KDE SVN commit 876002 | 11:09 |
| a|wen | Arby: that is indeed trivial ... | 11:09 |
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| Arby | yep :) | 11:09 |
| Arby | dotancohen: looking | 11:10 |
| a|wen | that's actually test-able without a real package ... i'll just go checking that it doesn't seem to break some panel-hiding, or whatever could have been a remote idea of putting 0 there | 11:10 |
| Arby | a|wen: my thinking too | 11:11 |
| Arby | dotancohen: do you happen to know the svn commit that fixes the bug | 11:12 |
| dotancohen | SVN commit 876002 | 11:12 |
| dotancohen | Thanks | 11:12 |
| Arby | thanks | 11:12 |
| Arby | if it's included in the 4.1.3 release it should hit kubuntu when we package 4.1.3 which should be soon | 11:13 |
| Arby | if it's only in trunk it'll end up in 4.2 | 11:13 |
| Arby | we might be able to backport it if necessary | 11:13 |
| Arby | I'll have a look | 11:13 |
| a|wen | Arby: exactly which file are you planning to patch? | 11:15 |
| Arby | a|wen: .kde/share/config/akregatorrc | 11:15 |
| a|wen | Arby: but that is the local configuration-file ... shouldn't you need to patch the global one | 11:16 |
| Arby | possibly, that's just what I found that works | 11:16 |
| * Arby looks for the global file | 11:17 | |
| a|wen | Arby: /usr/share/kde4/config.kcfg/akregator.kcfg | 11:17 |
| dotancohen | Thanks, Arby. If I need a backport (I cannot use KDE 4 without it) should I file a bug report, or is there a prefered way> | 11:17 |
| dotancohen | ? | 11:17 |
| Arby | dotancohen: file a bug in launchpad and link it to the kde bug | 11:18 |
| dotancohen | Will do, thanks. | 11:18 |
| a|wen | Arby: there Splitter2 sizes defaults to 50,350 | 11:18 |
| Arby | I'm not sure of the exact process but at least we've got a record of the info | 11:18 |
| Arby | a|wen: strange, because that's not what happens | 11:20 |
| a|wen | Arby: the process is that the file .kde gets written the first time ... and the info used to start the first time is gotten from the kcfg-file (IIRC) | 11:20 |
| Arby | except that it isn't happening | 11:20 |
| Arby | brb | 11:21 |
| a|wen | Arby: couldn't it be because of an old akregatorrc file from hardy? aren't they talking about upgrading | 11:21 |
| Arby | a|wen: could be, the same bug bit me after an upgrade. | 11:23 |
| Arby | let me look harder | 11:23 |
| dotancohen | Sorry to keep interupting, but here is the Launchpad bug for the KDE accesibility issue: | 11:25 |
| dotancohen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/289440 | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 289440 in meta-kde ""Show Keyboard Status" indicator in KDE4" [Undecided,New] | 11:25 |
| dotancohen | Thanks, Arby! | 11:25 |
| Arby | yw | 11:25 |
| a|wen | Arby: got to reproduce it now :) | 11:26 |
| Arby | a|wen: that'll be interesting since I no longer have a kde3 system | 11:27 |
| Arby | VMs for the win :) | 11:27 |
| * Arby adds it to the todo list | 11:27 | |
| a|wen | Arby: i can reproduce it in a fresh kde4 install (no upgrade | 11:27 |
| a|wen | Arby: choose viewmode combined and exit akregator ... see the akregtorrc file now it has the dreaded 0 ... open akregator again and immediately choose viewmode normal | 11:27 |
| a|wen | Arby: it seems to be the viewmode changes that is broken on some level | 11:28 |
| Arby | a|wen: right, sorry, I got confused between conversations :) | 11:28 |
| a|wen | Arby: hehe :) | 11:30 |
| Arby | a|wen: yes, you're right | 11:31 |
| Arby | a|wen: on switching viewmodes it isn't reading the correct default layout information | 11:32 |
| Arby | hmmph, that's much harder to fix | 11:33 |
| Arby | and well beyond my skills | 11:33 |
| a|wen | Arby: or it might be that it shouldn't write 0 in the first place ... when viewmode combined is used it shouldn't fiddle with the splitter 2 option at all | 11:34 |
| Arby | a|wen: what happens if you choose viewmode=normal then close akregator, remove akregatorrc then reopen? | 11:35 |
| Arby | in my case it recreates akregatorrc with the 0 in splitter 2 | 11:35 |
| * Arby goes to make coffee, my brain hurts | 11:35 | |
| a|wen | Arby: it works exatcly as it should here (value = 150) ... remember to let akregator close completely before deleting the akregatorrc file | 11:37 |
| Arby | hmm | 11:40 |
| Arby | ok it worked right this time, fail on my part there then | 11:41 |
| Arby | I think I'll build a clean intrepid vm and see what happens there | 11:43 |
| a|wen | Arby: sounds strange if it does that ... but on the other hand, we know there is someting wrong in the viewport code | 11:45 |
| Arby | a|wen: yeah, I have to assume that one was my bad :) | 11:46 |
| Arby | a|wen: I'll make a VM and have a look | 11:46 |
| Arby | if it behaves on a clean install then it's a problem caused by and upgrade somehow | 11:47 |
| Arby | s/and/an/ | 11:47 |
| a|wen | Arby: i'm doing my test on a clean intrepid VM ... installed yesterday | 11:47 |
| Arby | ah, that answers that question then | 11:47 |
| a|wen | :) | 11:48 |
| Arby | a|wen: do you speak c++? I think someone needs to read the code | 11:48 |
| Arby | I can try but I don't know C | 11:48 |
| Arby | of any flavour | 11:48 |
| a|wen | Arby: me neither ... but i'm starting to learn, based on looking at kde code :) | 11:49 |
| * Arby attempts to read code | 11:49 | |
| apachelogger | Arby: I have another fix for kdepim as well | 12:28 |
| Arby | apachelogger: it turns out I was wrong anyway | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | perfect :P | 12:28 |
| Arby | I fixed the symptom not the cause | 12:28 |
| * a|wen goes hiding ... for de-fixing things :P | 12:29 | |
| Arby | I'm now deeper in the kdepim code than I'm comfortable with | 12:29 |
| Arby | a|wen: :P | 12:29 |
| Arby | in other words I have no idea what's going on | 12:29 |
| Arby | as a|wen correctly diagnosed the default panel sizes aren't set correctly when akregator viewmode is changed | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | kde svn 876002 | 12:31 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=876002&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 876002 | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | looks playgroundish, doesn't it :P | 12:31 |
| Arby | apachelogger: the word playground sort of implies that yes :) | 12:32 |
| * apachelogger thinks we should disallow bug reports against kde-meta | 12:32 | |
| Arby | apachelogger: with your core dev hat on when do you think that will land in kubuntu? | 12:33 |
| Arby | presumably 4.2 at the earliest | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | well | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | that depends partly on KDE | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | if they are going to include the plasmoid into 4.2, then KDE 4.2 is the latest :P | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | earliest would be that we create a svn snapshot of the plasmoid and deploy it via KDE 4 ppa | 12:34 |
| Arby | do you think it's important enough to try and backport? | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | IMHO we should be ashamed and kick ourselfs in the arse for the status of accessibility in 8.10 | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | so, yes, it is | 12:36 |
| Arby | ok, and what would be the required steps to do that? | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | grab the source, try building it, hope it builds, create a snapshot package if it does build | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | if it does not build: create a snapshot package, and patch it to buildable state | 12:37 |
| Arby | I'm prepared to try the grab it and attempt build part | 12:38 |
| Arby | I'll need help to package it | 12:38 |
| Arby | and I'll definitely need help if it needs patching | 12:38 |
| Arby | apachelogger: am I right in thinking this would be a post release update, too close to final etc? | 12:39 |
| Arby | this kdepim bug is too hard for me anyway :( | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | Arby: no update at all | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | it could go to intrepid-backports | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | but there isn't much difference if we use that or the ppa | 12:40 |
| Arby | I'll give it a go then | 12:41 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: should I relocate bug 289440 to kdebase-workspace? | 12:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289440 in meta-kde ""Show Keyboard Status" indicator in KDE4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289440 | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: accessibility | 12:43 |
| JontheEchidna | wtf, 404 when I try to edit the bug | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I edit0red it away | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | so bug 289418 is pretty much a wont fix since ksokoban is in the old kdegames, right? | 12:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289418 in kdegames "please include ksokoban in intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289418 | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | I mean, technically we could do like with kdvi | 12:48 |
| JontheEchidna | but for just a game? | 12:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: After the new GCC upload yesterday kde4libs built on hppa, so if you could kick off more rebuilds we might get some/all of KDE build for hppa yet. | 12:49 |
| ScottK | I need to leave in just a few minutes, so I can't do it now, but if you could do the first few, I can do the rest later. | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: do we need an ACK from ubuntu-release? | 12:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Not for rebuilds. | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | okies | 12:51 |
| ScottK | Particularly not for hppa. | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | afk for 15 mins | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | stdin: bug 289052 next time please reference the bug | 13:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289052 in kdeedu "package step 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/share/applications/kde4/step.desktop', che si trova anche nel pacchetto step-kde4" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289052 | 13:07 |
| Arby | apachelogger: kbstateapplet build fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/62870/ is this something that needs patching or something missing in my chroot? | 13:09 |
| Arby | never having used cmake manually before I don't really understand | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | possibly patching | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | Arby: kdebase-workspace-dev is installed? | 13:11 |
| Arby | checking | 13:11 |
| Arby | no it isn't so I'll try that first | 13:11 |
| Arby | apachelogger: still fails with k-w-dev installed, same error :( | 13:14 |
| * Arby fears having to patch this | 13:14 | |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | sec | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | Arby: you need to patch | 13:17 |
| Arby | I was afraid you might say that | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | nothing fancy | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | Arby: grab $plasmoidpackage from the archive and make your cmakelists.txt resemble the one of the package | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | most importantly you will need | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED) | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | include (KDE4Defaults | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | ) | 13:18 |
| Arby | apachelogger: by $plasmoidpackage do you mean any plasmoid package? | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | yus | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | e.g. weather | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | or quicklaunch | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | or toggle-compositing | 13:20 |
| * Arby looks for the corresponding package | 13:20 | |
| Arby | apachelogger: is weather equivalent to the package kweather? | 13:21 |
| Arby | I barely use plasmoids, I don't like stuff on my desktop | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | Arby: well, the old kweather | 13:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I believe kweather only provides weather resources, and not an actual applet | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: no | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | I am pretty sure the dataengine works independent form kweather | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | + I have no idea what kweather is for anyway | 13:23 |
| Arby | nvm I found toggle-compositing, I'll use that | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I think systemsettings needs to depend on kdebase-workspace-bin | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 289368 | 13:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289368 in kdebase-workspace "systemsettings has none option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289368 | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | since it's somewhat useless without kcm modules | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: are they all in -bin? | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | I believe so | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | actually some might be in kde-window-manager | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | but if you're installing in gnome you wouldn't need those | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | yes | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | you could | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | anywho | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: isn't there some -data package as well? | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | I am pretty sure that contains the actual desktop files | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | so unless -bin depends -data (which is likely) | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | we would need to make sysettings depend both | 13:29 |
| JontheEchidna | I see a lot of kcontrol docs in -data | 13:30 |
| JontheEchidna | but nothing in the way of actual kcm modules | 13:31 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, we should probably talk to debian about this | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | pretty much | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace-data.install line 310-335 | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | kcm modules | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, kdebase-workspace-data (= ${source:Version}), | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: make syssettings depend -bin should be enough | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | so, what would the best way to notify debian be? Throw a debdiff at 'em? | 13:37 |
| Arby | apachelogger: the snippet you gave me worked, cmake completes without errors. | 13:38 |
| Arby | what happens next? | 13:38 |
| Arby | make? | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | yes | 13:38 |
| Arby | make goes splat | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: yes, or you could poke ana in their irc channel | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | but hide from pinotree, he might still be mad at you :P | 13:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yes <.< | 13:40 |
| Arby | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62876/ I think I'm missing some qt dev type stuff | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | Arby: I think now comes the real patching :P | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | kdelibs5-dev should depend on libqt4-dev | 13:46 |
| Arby | ok fire away I'll be back in 5 | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | ah | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | maybe not :P | 13:47 |
| * apachelogger thinks the cmake stuff is still incomplete | 13:47 | |
| apachelogger | libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QGraphicsLayout | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | clearly missing something | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | Arby: add | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | add_definitions (${QT_DEFINITIONS} ${KDE4_DEFINITIONS}) | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | include_directories (${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR} ${KDE4_INCLUDES}) | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | directly following the other stuff you added | 13:49 |
| Arby | apachelogger: cmake output http://paste.ubuntu.com/62882/ | 13:52 |
| Arby | does that look sane to you? | 13:52 |
| Arby | make says yes \o/. I think | 13:53 |
| Arby | make output http://paste.ubuntu.com/62883/ | 13:54 |
| Arby | nothing obviously wrong but then I'm a neophyte | 13:54 |
| Arby | make install seems to complete | 13:56 |
| * Arby wonders how one launches a plasmoid from inside a chroot | 13:56 | |
| apachelogger | Arby: if you setup you chroot to access your X you can use plasmoidviewer NAMEOFPLASMOID | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | otherwise you are boned | 13:59 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I'm just doing exactly that | 14:00 |
| Arby | I found the right bit of techbase | 14:00 |
| ScottK-palm | apachelogger: Got it sorted now? | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: EBS for -runtime in 2 hours | 14:02 |
| ScottK-palm | Cool. We probably won't get the whole stack at this point, but it's progress. | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: if hppa wasn't so slow, it certainly would be an advantage ;-) | 14:08 |
| ScottK-palm | Yeah. For a while hppa was FTBFS most things so it kept up well. | 14:09 |
| ScottK-palm | You might look ahead and see if there are non-kde depends that need a retry too. | 14:10 |
| * ScottK-palm would look, but it's pretty tough through the phone. | 14:12 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: will do | 14:19 |
| ScottK-palm | Back later. | 14:23 |
| smarter | is bug #276224 supposed to be fixed? | 14:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 276224 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "Failed to open the panel socket" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276224 | 14:32 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I think I broke the applet | 14:33 |
| smarter | cause I just got hit by i | 14:33 |
| smarter | *it | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:33 |
| Arby | apachelogger: plasmoidviewer shows an empty black frame | 14:33 |
| Arby | and the terminal shows findServiceByDesktopPath: not found | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | smarter: how exactly would that be caused by kubuntu-kde4-meta? | 14:33 |
| smarter | no idea | 14:33 |
| smarter | I'm on Intrepid | 14:33 |
| smarter | but I just started Kate and got these messages | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | kbuildsycoca4 | 14:33 |
| Arby | already did that but I'll try again | 14:34 |
| smarter | no luck | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | smarter: anywho | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | wrong package | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | clearly skim/scim related | 14:34 |
| smarter | 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0d0o0n0'0t0 0r0e0m0e0m0b0e0r0 0i0n0s0t0a0l0l0i0n0g0 0s0c0i0m0 0s0t0u0f0f0 0r0e0c0e0n0t0l0y00 | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | it is shipped by default | 14:35 |
| Arby | apachelogger: same result, could it be because it's inside a chroot? | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | and IIRC there is some conflict with skim and scim-bridge-qt* | 14:35 |
| smarter | apachelogger: wasn't that fixed by a pacth or something? | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | Arby: possibly | 14:35 |
| smarter | *patch | 14:35 |
| smarter | yes, but I didn't have this bug until recently | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | Arby: just make a package and try it on your regular system | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | smarter: well, I ain't know anything about tha scim | 14:36 |
| * Arby googles how to build packages with cmake | 14:36 | |
| smarter | OMG | 14:39 |
| smarter | ps aux|grep scim-panel-gtk|wc -l | 14:39 |
| smarter | 161 | 14:39 |
| smarter | WTF is this thing doing? | 14:39 |
| smarter | grr, I killed them, then started kate again and it restarted scim with 12 processes | 14:41 |
| smarter | apachelogger: do you have scim installed? | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | no | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | boah | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | ASEFJagb | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | stupid konqueror | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | stupid shortcut thingies | 14:42 |
| * apachelogger switches to windows | 14:42 | |
| smarter | :P | 14:42 |
| smarter | could you reinstall kubuntu-desktop and see if scim is screwing your system? | 14:43 |
| smarter | I don't think we can release a Kubuntu where every app takes 5 seconds more than on other distros to start. | 14:43 |
| smarter | "Failed to allocate the agent. Exitting... | 14:45 |
| smarter | especially with misspelled error messages :P | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ^ | 14:46 |
| * apachelogger isn't going to reboot again | 14:46 | |
| smarter | If skim(or scim-panel-kde) is started, there is no more delay at startup | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | kde Bug 170435 | 14:51 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 170435 in fontinst "When opening kfontview, either from systemsettings or cli, characters are not displayed, just a white background and the horizontal rules " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170435 | 14:51 |
| smarter | I believe this is due to latest scim-bridge update | 14:51 |
| smarter | which disable the patch which fixed that | 14:51 |
| smarter | and which was uploaded 4 days ago | 14:52 |
| smarter | (thanks to the guy who did that :P) | 14:52 |
| smarter | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/scim-bridge/0.4.14-2ubuntu4 | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | smarter: poke him in the eye | 14:54 |
| smarter | yup | 14:54 |
| smarter | he changed the patch to check for "which scim-helper" | 14:54 |
| smarter | except the binary scim-helper doesn't exist... | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | nice | 14:55 |
| smarter | grr, arne is /away | 15:00 |
| smarter | if he doesn't show up this evening, we have to revert the change to 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch | 15:01 |
| smarter | I can confirm that with -0ubuntu3 it works fine | 15:01 |
| smarter | * -2ubuntu3 | 15:01 |
| a|wen | smarter: 50_... patch is disabled entirely says the changelog | 15:02 |
| smarter | oh, right | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | Arby: please be more cautious with marking bugs as triaged, usually you would only go for triaged if the bug is forwarded and accepted by upstream, or for a crash, if a usable and up-to-date backtrace is available and the bug is forwarded | 15:03 |
| a|wen | smarter: it seems Riddell's change broke some gtk stuff ... so the patch probably needs to be changed to not break gtk stuff and be re-enabled | 15:03 |
| smarter | we should probably revert to -2ubuntu2 state | 15:03 |
| Arby | apachelogger: which bug? | 15:03 |
| smarter | Riddell: could you please look at this? It's a pretty serious issue | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | Arby: any | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | Arby: in this case bug 177566 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 177566 in kdepim "marking a recurring kontact to-do as complete causes application crash" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177566 | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | triaged should only be used when all possibly important information is aggregated | 15:04 |
| Arby | I thought it was once the new backtrace was supplied. the misunderstanding is how much information is enough | 15:06 |
| Arby | I was advised to ask for a backtrace with kdepim-dbg installed | 15:06 |
| Arby | and that's what we got | 15:06 |
| Arby | anyway, point noted | 15:06 |
| Arby | apachelogger: what would be the appropriate version number for an svn snapshot of this kbapplet? | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | Arby: 0.0+svn$SVNREVISON | 15:24 |
| Arby | thanks | 15:24 |
| Arby | apachelogger: 0.0+svn876002 is it -0ubuntu1 or -0ubuntu0? | 15:25 |
| Arby | I vaguely remember something about ubuntu1 meaning it already exists in debian or something | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | nono :P | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | -1 would be if the package goes to debian | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | for that matter, if you base a package upon the debian package it would be -1ubuntu1 | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | or -5ubuntu1 if debian already got 5 revision before the ubuntu1 | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | if the package is not basd on one from debian it is 0ubuntu1 | 15:27 |
| Arby | thanks, I think I've got all the bits now, I'll attempt to debuild | 15:28 |
| smarter | 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0t0h0i0n0k0s0 000.010~0s0v0n080x0x0x0x0 0i0s0 0p0r0e0t0t0i0e0r0 0t0h0a0n0 000.000+0s0v0n0x0x0x0 0:0P00 | 15:32 |
| rgreening | g'day all | 15:32 |
| txwikinger | o/ rgreening | 15:35 |
| * Arby does the working plasmoid dance :D | 15:41 | |
| Arby | apachelogger: to my great surprise it actually works | 15:42 |
| Arby | now what :) | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | coolio | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | Arby: create a bzr branch so I can take a look :P | 15:42 |
| Arby | instructions? :P | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | ~google ubuntu wiki bzr maintainer how to | 15:43 |
| kubotu | Results for ubuntu wiki bzr maintainer how to: 1. BzrMaintainerHowto - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto | 2. Bzr - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr | 3. DCT/Workflow - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/DCT/Workflow | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | uh | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | parsing is broken | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 15:43 |
| * Arby reads | 15:44 | |
| apachelogger | woah | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | Arby++ | 15:50 |
| * apachelogger clicks through all the kdepim crashyness | 15:50 | |
| Arby | apachelogger: :) I'm not even done yet. | 15:50 |
| Arby | there are another 50 ish bugs still 'new' | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | the god thing about apport is that it marks bugs as private, so I don't have to actually take a look at them :P | 15:51 |
| Arby | until I go through an dmake them all public :P | 15:52 |
| Arby | apachelogger: for this applet, do you want me to put the whole source in bzr or just the packaging? | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | Arby: up to you, but for the latter you will need to add a get-orig-source target with a fixed revision number | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | that said, you need a get-orig-source target anyway :P | 15:55 |
| Arby | ok, I don't have one so lets fix that first :) | 15:56 |
| Arby | what file does it live in and what should it be? | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | debian/rules | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | ~google ubuntu wiki get-orig-source cvs example | 16:01 |
| kubotu | Results for ubuntu wiki get-orig-source cvs example: 1. PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball | 2. PackagingGuide/Basic - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic | 16:01 |
| kubotu | 3. MOTU/School/PackagingWithoutCompiling - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MOTU/School/PackagingWithoutCompiling | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | Arby: you just need to change it to SVN syntax I guess | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | svn co -r REVSION svn://anonsvn.kde.org.... | 16:02 |
| smarter | 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0t0e0s0t00 | 16:05 |
| smarter | ^ do you see garbage here? | 16:05 |
| apachelogger | no | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | though if we would consider you as garbage.... :P | 16:06 |
| smarter | pffrt :P | 16:06 |
| smarter | cjwatson says I output strange character when using /me | 16:06 |
| smarter | could you look on #ubuntu-devel? | 16:06 |
| a|wen | smarter: I see garbage | 16:07 |
| JontheEchidna | I see garbage too | 16:07 |
| smarter | so, it's probably Quassel fault | 16:07 |
| * a|wen uses kde3 konversation | 16:07 | |
| smarter | since apachelogger use quassel | 16:08 |
| * JontheEchidna uses konversaton too | 16:08 | |
| apachelogger | possibly | 16:08 |
| smarter | (and I do too) | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | smarter: might be some interaction problem between the client and the core | 16:08 |
| rgreening | konversation here, and it's garbage to me 2 | 16:08 |
| smarter | apachelogger: try putting a /me | 16:08 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I'm looking at packaging only branches on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto | 16:21 |
| Arby | do I need to make the changes to CMakeLists into a patch? | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | Arby: please | 16:22 |
| Arby | ok | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | Arby: in general, only avoid a patch if you have a uber important reason to do so | 16:22 |
| JontheEchidna | deleting 1000 mails takes a long time | 16:24 |
| jussio1 | oh great, seems my system is somewhat screwed. is there a way to turn off desktop effects from the command line? | 16:35 |
| jussio1 | I cant click anything in a window - it just tries to pick the window up as if Id clicked on the title bar. | 16:36 |
| JontheEchidna | jussio1: edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc | 16:37 |
| JontheEchidna | in the compositing section set enabled=false | 16:37 |
| jussio1 | JontheEchidna: ok, Ill give that a shot | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: maybe we should jaunty with a script to deactivate the effects from a terminal? | 16:38 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | oh | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | yet fancier | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | make kdm detect if effects are turned on | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | and show some special menu to deactivate it while startkde is on the works | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | ...show the menu in kdm ... but deactivate effects while startkde is working... ;-) | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna++ | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | kill em stopd buggies | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: bug 289402 bug 289402 and bug 289402 | 16:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289402 in kdebase-workspace "circular build dependency between kdebase-workspace and kde4bindings, broken on lpia and hppa" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289402 | 16:55 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: hmm... strange... | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | why? | 16:56 |
| rgreening | does it build on x86 | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: think about it | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | lpia and hppa didn'tbuild for some time | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | so there is one of these packages missing | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | preventing the build of the other | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | so you can't build workspace because there is no bindings, and you can't build bindings because there is no workspace, because there is no workspace, because there is no bindings... | 16:57 |
| rgreening | I understand circular deps | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | then do something! | 16:58 |
| * apachelogger shudders | 16:58 | |
| rgreening | lol | 16:58 |
| rgreening | you drinking again | 16:58 |
| rgreening | :) | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | no | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | that is just horrible and evil and frighten | 16:59 |
| rgreening | I'll look into it. see if I can figure out why they are busted. | 16:59 |
| rgreening | hehe | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: well, the dep needs to be resolved | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: does the python stuff in workspace actually depend on bindings? | 16:59 |
| rgreening | hmm... kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-0ubuntu11 built everythin g fine... | 17:00 |
| rgreening | so, must be an issue with recent changes in 0ubuntu12 | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | no :P | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | dood, take a minute and think about it | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | if workspace really depends on bindings there is a _gigantic_ problem | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | say the API in bindings changes | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | then workspace wouldn't compile because of the incompatible API | 17:01 |
| rgreening | I understand that. | 17:01 |
| * rgreening thinks you misunderstand me | 17:01 | |
| rgreening | :) | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | no | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | I know that i386 and stuff built fine | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | but it won't when jaunty opens | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | it only builds right now because there is already a kdebindings to use as build-dep | 17:02 |
| rgreening | hmm... let me get the source and have a look at the control files. | 17:03 |
| rgreening | hmmm... ok, so the python-kde4-dev in kdebase-workspace is causing the circular dep | 17:04 |
| rgreening | (I think)... 1 sec... | 17:04 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, hppa didn't build because bindings was hosed due to lack of mono on that architecture | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: yes | 17:05 |
| rgreening | hmm.... | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I doubt it is necessary though | 17:05 |
| * rgreening think's it may have been due to plasma python | 17:05 | |
| apachelogger | no no | 17:06 |
| rgreening | and may be required... no t sure though. | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | workspace is only allowed to depend on kdelibs (and runtime on runtime) | 17:06 |
| jason- | slt | 17:06 |
| rgreening | I see that now | 17:06 |
| rgreening | brb | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: upstream would have the dep issue as well ;-) | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: are you going to fix bug 289368 ? | 17:08 |
| rgreening | ok, apachelogger, how can I verify (easiest) | 17:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289368 in kdebase-workspace "systemsettings has none option" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289368 | 17:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'll talk with debiain right now | 17:08 |
| rgreening | _Sime_: you around? | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: apt-cache show python-kde4-dev | grep Depends | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | Depends: python-qt4, python-kde4 (= 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2) | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | apt-cache show python-kde4 | grep Depends | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.4), libphonon4 (>> 4:4.2.0), libqt4-network (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3), libsoprano4 (>= 2.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), phonon (>> 4:4.2.0), python2.5 (>= 2.5), python-qt4 (>= 4.3-2ubuntu7.1) | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: try replacing the dep on python-kde4 with python-qt4 and python2.5 | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | in theory it should be building then | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: *the dep on python-kde4-dev even | 17:10 |
| rgreening | Ok, I'll have a look at it. | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: okies | 17:10 |
| rgreening | yep | 17:10 |
| Arby | has anybody come across this before? If I run bzr+ssh://rbirnie@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/kbstate-applet/ubuntu | 17:13 |
| Arby | I get | 17:13 |
| Arby | Permission denied (publickey). | 17:13 |
| Arby | bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required) | 17:13 |
| Arby | but my public key is already in launchpad | 17:13 |
| NCommander | Arby, probably a stupid question, but are you a core developer? | 17:17 |
| Arby | no, I'm trying to follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto | 17:17 |
| Arby | under pushing the first version | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | Arby: push to kubuntu-members | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | you can only push to ubuntu-dev if you are a core dev :P | 17:20 |
| Arby | that really isn't clear on the wiki :/ | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | well, it is a bit outdated | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | doesn't talk about the fancy bzr stuff | 17:21 |
| JontheEchidna | ^heh, the entire wiki or the bzr stuff? | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | the wiki | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | and the bzr stuff | 17:21 |
| Arby | bzr push bzr+ssh://rbirnie@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kbstate-applet/ubuntu gives the same error | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | documentation is mostly meant to be out-of-date round here :P | 17:21 |
| * apachelogger runs | 17:21 | |
| apachelogger | Arby: you are kubuntu member, aren't you? | 17:22 |
| Arby | I think so | 17:22 |
| * Arby checks | 17:22 | |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:22 |
| Arby | actually, possible not. I'm in ~kubuntu-members-kde4 but not ~kubuntu-members it seems | 17:23 |
| * Arby thinks launchpad has too many teams | 17:23 | |
| apachelogger | oh my god | 17:24 |
| Arby | but then I'm easily confused | 17:24 |
| Arby | which is probably why I'm not member yet :) | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | that is a) unfortunate b) fixable c) not good | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we need to do a arby-needs-to-become-member meeting | 17:25 |
| jjesse | if you are part of kuubntu-members-kde4 aren't you a part of kubuntu-members or is it the oposite? | 17:25 |
| Arby | no idea | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: oposite I think | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | Arby: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership | 17:25 |
| Arby | apachelogger: that requires an 'arby has to write a wiki page first' | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | well | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | first | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | bzr push | 17:26 |
| Arby | which requires overcoming arby is a lazy sod :P | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | Arby: ~YOURLPID/+junk/kbstate-applet-ubuntu | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | that should be working | 17:26 |
| Arby | let me try | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | then I can create a branch in kubuntu-members | 17:26 |
| smarter | 收安如 | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 17:28 |
| * smarter had to install chinese to test fscking scim | 17:28 | |
| * apachelogger goes smokering | 17:28 | |
| apachelogger | smarter: write a blog post about how to do that | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | I didn't quite figure out | 17:28 |
| smarter | apachelogger: qt-language-selector is your friend | 17:28 |
| smarter | it works | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | smarter: well, what then? | 17:29 |
| smarter | except you have to manually set the input method by right-clicking on a text field --> IM --> scim-bridge | 17:29 |
| smarter | but that only works with Qt apps, and not every Qt app | 17:29 |
| smarter | (Kate doesn't provide this option) | 17:29 |
| smarter | but I don't care | 17:29 |
| * smarter goes removing all that stuff | 17:29 | |
| * Arby curses launchpad to the pitof hades | 17:30 | |
| smarter | oh f*ck | 17:30 |
| smarter | now qt-language-selector is in chinese | 17:30 |
| smarter | and I've no idea what I should remove | 17:30 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 17:31 |
| smarter | sudo qt-language-selector --mode=uninstall KDE_LANG=fr_FR LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fr_FR doesn't work :/ | 17:31 |
| smarter | it works with the env variable before the qt-language-selector \o/ | 17:33 |
| JontheEchidna | python/pyqt/pykde likes to eat command line args | 17:35 |
| JontheEchidna | very fiddly | 17:35 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I finally overcame the battle with bzr | 18:22 |
| Arby | apachelogger: the branch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~rbirnie/kbstate-applet/kbstate-applet | 18:22 |
| Arby | I'm sure there are things wrong with it | 18:22 |
| Arby | now I need to go eat something | 18:22 |
| Arby | and hope my head stops pounding | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: so what to do about the dep issue? | 18:43 |
| rgreening | I'l fix it tonight. I have some other duties calling now... | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | tonight is hopefully not too late tonight :S | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | Arby: THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE = 1 isn't required for 2 months | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | Arby: the get orig source target is wrong, rules is missing a final newline | 18:45 |
| rgreening | well, how late is too late apachelogger? | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | post 23:59 UTC I'd say | 18:46 |
| rgreening | ~time | 18:46 |
| kubotu | rgreening: America - St Johns - Sun Oct 26 16:16 NDT | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | the earlier we get this fixed, the better | 18:46 |
| rgreening | ~time apachelogger | 18:46 |
| kubotu | Europe - Vienna - Sun Oct 26 19:46 CET | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | ~time UTC | 18:47 |
| kubotu | UTC is an unknown time. | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | omg! | 18:47 |
| rgreening | lol | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | ~time GMT | 18:47 |
| kubotu | GMT is an unknown time. | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | @time UTC | 18:47 |
| ubottu | Current time in Etc/UTC: October 26 2008, 18:47:15 - Next meeting: Asia Oceania Membership Board in 1 day | 18:47 |
| rgreening | so, within the next 5 hours? | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | pretty much | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | Arby: control is missing final newline as well :P | 18:48 |
| rgreening | hmm... might be tight... will give it a go shortly | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | Arby: you can dump the homepage line from control | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | Arby: svn url in copyright exceeds 80 chars | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I can start a build with python-qt4/python2.5 instead of -kde4-dev | 18:49 |
| rgreening | sure... | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | Arby: indention for the license in debian/copyrigt would be nice | 18:49 |
| rgreening | not sure if it's correct. Not sure my dep was necessary either... | 18:50 |
| rgreening | I have to review again | 18:50 |
| rgreening | my brain is fried at the moment (migraine) | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | Arby: standard naming for pasmoids is plasmoid-$NAME | 18:52 |
| smarter | I think we should (temporarily) RM kepas from the archive | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | smarter: how so? | 18:52 |
| smarter | it stills crashes plasma if you create a server --> click on monitor server $foo in the menu --> close the monitor window | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | smarter: also with latest svn? | 18:53 |
| smarter | nothing new in latest svn | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | nice | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | smarter: file a removal request | 18:54 |
| smarter | just updated .desktop | 18:54 |
| smarter | apachelogger: I'll try to fix the bug first | 18:54 |
| smarter | it's really strange | 18:54 |
| smarter | it doesn't exactly crashes, it quits when it shouldn't | 18:54 |
| smarter | and take plasma with it | 18:54 |
| smarter | or more exactly, plasma doesn't like that and crashes | 18:54 |
| * apachelogger finds it way too stupid that plasmoids can crash plasma | 18:56 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger: wrt dep issue, is it sufficient to remove the dep on the source and leave on the binary package? Or is that part broken as well? | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | well, only if the patch gets removed | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | otherwise it would FTBFS I guess | 19:04 |
| rgreening | hmm... I need to def think about it some more... took some meds for the headache, lets see how I fare in an hour... | 19:05 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: test building a possible fix for circ dep now... I'll let you know... | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: what is the possible fix? | 19:10 |
| rgreening | I made some changes to the dep as you suggested. Let me test... | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | ok | 19:10 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: the CMakeLists.txt wants PyKDE4, which I believe comes from kde4bindings.. correct? | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | yes | 19:17 |
| * apachelogger poke _Sime_ | 19:17 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger: yeah... I will. ty | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: -runtime is almost built (debhelping right now) | 19:18 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | What's next? | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | workspace | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | EBS in 7 hours | 19:19 |
| ScottK | How long ago did you retry it? | 19:19 |
| ScottK | That's the last one before you can kick them all off, right? | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | about the same time I triggered runtime | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yes | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | hppa 28 builds waiting in queue | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | :S | 19:20 |
| ScottK | OK. Then I'd say go ahead and retry the rest to get them in queue. | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | ok | 19:20 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: maybe we should disable the python plasma patch for the time being... as much as I hate to say it. | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | oh right | 19:21 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: thoughts? | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: -workspace will FTBFS | 19:21 |
| ScottK | Oh. Why? | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: it certainly blocks ScottK's effort to get HPPA built | 19:22 |
| rgreening | circ dep | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it circular depends bindings | 19:22 |
| rgreening | yeah. let's remove it | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Urgh. | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: would we need to revert the stuff in kde4bindings as well? | 19:23 |
| rgreening | no | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | ok | 19:23 |
| rgreening | it's a plugin factory.. can be used by anything. | 19:23 |
| rgreening | :) | 19:23 |
| rgreening | so, let me see about a diff... | 19:23 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: how do you mark in the control file to not build a package (besides commenting it out) | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | commenting out | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | or removing | 19:24 |
| ScottK | It's to late to do another upload for Intrepid. | 19:25 |
| rgreening | ok. didn't know if there was a nice directive to not build | 19:25 |
| ScottK | We'll just have to let it go and look at SRU. | 19:25 |
| rgreening | ? | 19:25 |
| rgreening | too late to fix the circ dep build | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 19:25 |
| rgreening | oh dam | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: are the langpacks fixed yet? | 19:26 |
| ScottK | It's already built on all archs except hppa, right? | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: failed on LPIA as well | 19:26 |
| ScottK | Dunno how it came out. The source pacakges are building now. | 19:26 |
| Arby | apachelogger: are you happy with plasmoid-applet-kbstate as a name or do you prefer plasmoid-kbstate? | 19:26 |
| ScottK | Early word was 'better'. | 19:26 |
| rgreening | Arby: -applet- is standard | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | Arby: no, it is redundant :P | 19:26 |
| ScottK | Right, but a new source upload now would suck up a large amount of buildd time on all archs. | 19:27 |
| rgreening | -applet- and -dataengine- are standard | 19:27 |
| ScottK | Circular build-dep is worth fixing, but do it post release in an SRU now. | 19:27 |
| Arby | fine, I'm not bothered either way | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: they are not | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: apt-cache search plasmoid- | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ok with me | 19:27 |
| Arby | plasmoid-kbstate it is | 19:27 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: from what I see, it's what they are using. | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | but not we | 19:28 |
| rgreening | oh wait, is this the applet or the package? | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: still up to discussion with debian | 19:28 |
| rgreening | package, doesn't matter. I was thinking the applet name once installed | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | but IIRC the tendence is to stick applet and dataengine together | 19:28 |
| rgreening | anyway, what should I do then with kdebase-workspace | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | nothing | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | leave it alone | 19:29 |
| rgreening | ok | 19:29 |
| rgreening | will do | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I will target the circ dep for intrepid-updates and assign you, we definitely need to talk with _Sime_ | 19:29 |
| rgreening | I agree. | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | the fact that the cmakelists suggest that KDE has a circ dep itself | 19:30 |
| rgreening | Sounds like a plan. | 19:30 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I think it may need to be moved from workspace... just not sure how yet. | 19:30 |
| rgreening | _Sime_ should be able to offer suggestions/assistance (maybe doesn't realize there is a circ dep) | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: fiddled with the bug, now get some rest :) | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | rgreening++ for working with migraine ;-) | 19:33 |
| rgreening | If only my headache would go away | 19:33 |
| rgreening | lol | 19:33 |
| rgreening | ty | 19:33 |
| ScottK | BTW, if you get a good fix for the circular build-dep it can be uploaded to intrepid-proposed now. It'll get accepted just after release. | 19:35 |
| * apachelogger couldn't think of one | 19:36 | |
| rgreening | thanks ScottK: I'll try a few things. My fallback plan is to remove the patch altogether (though it's my last resort). | 19:36 |
| ScottK | If it's not resolvable without removing the patch, it might be good to chat with upstream about what goes where so we aren't similarly screwed in 4.2. | 19:38 |
| rgreening | _Sime_ will be the one who needs to know | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: please take a look at bug 281487 | 19:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 281487 in pinentry-qt4 "[intrepid] Wrong passphrase message when correct one is entered - due to protocol incompatibility between pinentry-qt4 and gpg-agent" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281487 | 19:39 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 19:40 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Mine is working last I checked, but I'll investigate. | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | works for me as well | 19:43 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I've changed everything you mentioned except the get-orig-source line because I don't know what the answer is | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | ~google ubuntu wiki get-orig-source cvs example | 19:46 |
| kubotu | Results for ubuntu wiki get-orig-source cvs example: 1. PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball | 2. PackagingGuide/Basic - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic | 19:46 |
| kubotu | 3. MOTU/School/PackagingWithoutCompiling - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MOTU/School/PackagingWithoutCompiling | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | Arby: first result | 19:46 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I read that earlier, I don't understand it | 19:46 |
| Arby | do I need to write a command that builds .orig.tar.gz | 19:47 |
| Arby | from the svn checkout | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | yes | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | see the last example | 19:47 |
| Arby | let me play a bit | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | Arby: you basically need to a svn co && tar czf && rm -rf | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | in fact I guess you can just copy the last example and replace the first 2 lines with your svn one and changes the other stuff to fit your case | 19:48 |
| Arby | I'll work at it, give me a while | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | sure | 19:48 |
| Arby | apachelogger: am I getting close http://paste.ubuntu.com/62971/ | 19:54 |
| smarter | svn export, not co | 19:54 |
| smarter | or you get the .svn | 19:54 |
| Arby | thanks | 19:54 |
| smarter | (see some of my packages for good examples :]) | 19:54 |
| Arby | smarter: such as? | 19:55 |
| smarter | (like guidance-power-manager) | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | pfff | 19:55 |
| * apachelogger larts smarter | 19:55 | |
| * smarter hides | 19:55 | |
| apachelogger | Arby: what's with the ; \ stuff? | 19:55 |
| smarter | (which has both get-orig-source and -svn) | 19:55 |
| smarter | or kvkbd for something which only has -svn | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | Arby: anway, I supposed it should be working, not very dynamic, but working ;-) | 19:56 |
| Arby | apachelogger: the ;\ stuff is in the example | 19:56 |
| Arby | and what's wrong with it | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:56 |
| Arby | I'd rather learn to do it right now | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | Arby: just not needed ;-) | 19:57 |
| * smarter thinks he should create a bzr branch with his get-orig-stuff and includes them in all his packages | 19:57 | |
| Arby | if I start doing it wrong I'll keep doing it wrong for ever | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | smarter: lolz | 19:57 |
| Arby | (that's how my brain works) | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | just imagine if ubuntu development was like Arby's brain :P | 19:57 |
| smarter | hehe | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | BIG trouble | 19:57 |
| smarter | In fact, I think that cdbs should include a get-orig-source.mk | 19:58 |
| smarter | which does some magic stuff | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | smarter: you could write a fancy wiki page GetOrigSourceDoneProperlyForKDE | 19:58 |
| smarter | and let you change some variables | 19:58 |
| Arby | my brain is overloaded and slightly broken, this is not news :) | 19:58 |
| Arby | moving on | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | smarter: there are so many different use cases | 19:58 |
| smarter | apachelogger: well, for KDE you just need to know the svn url | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | doesn't matter | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | explain the lines and stuff | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | the current page is crap IMHO | 19:59 |
| smarter | yup | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | you are not really learning anything | 19:59 |
| smarter | and I'm still not sure about that DEBIAN_DIR := $(shell echo ${MAKEFILE_LIST} | awk '{print $$1}' | xargs dirname ) | 19:59 |
| smarter | I put it in my scripts, but I don't understand why it would be needed | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | that var should be defined by debhelper (or cdbs) | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | one of the 2 at least | 20:00 |
| smarter | and it's only used for cd ${DEBIAN_DIR}/.. | 20:00 |
| smarter | which is probably equivalent to cd ${CURDIR} | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | yus | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | though | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | it might not in some cases :P | 20:01 |
| smarter | but I don't know in what case curdir is not the current dir :P | 20:01 |
| smarter | yup | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | CURDIR shoudl always be CURDIR otherwise it's a bug IMHO | 20:01 |
| smarter | cdbs seems to rely on CURDIR having debian/ inside | 20:02 |
| smarter | hmm, looks like it's not defined by dh nor cmake | 20:03 |
| smarter | probably a make stuff | 20:03 |
| Arby | apachelogger: any further comments before I push this branch again | 20:04 |
| Arby | ? | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | Arby: not yet | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | ohhh! | 20:05 |
| * Arby runs for it | 20:05 | |
| apachelogger | Arby: trunk/KDE/kdelibs/COPYING | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | please svn co that file inside the source directory | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | otherwise the licensing is incomplete | 20:06 |
| Arby | so that needs to be part of the orig.tar.gz? | 20:07 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: pinentry-qt4 works fine for me (I checked that's where the alternative was pointing to and I do not have pinentry-qt installed at all). | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | Arby: yes, you will need to modify the get-orig-source accordingly ;-) | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the gpg.conf txwikinger attached says no-use-agent | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | line 203 | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | could that be the problem? | 20:10 |
| xerosis | does anyone know if kcm_display is around in intrepid? | 20:14 |
| Arby | apachelogger: how does this look http://paste.ubuntu.com/62982/ ? | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | Arby: did you try it? ;-) | 20:21 |
| Arby | I tried all the steps individually | 20:21 |
| Arby | not as a bundle | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | Arby: make -f debian/rules get-orig-source | 20:22 |
| Arby | make: Nothing to be done for `get-orig-source'. | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | Arby: lines within any target need to start with a tab, not whitespaces | 20:25 |
| * Arby changes the settings in kate | 20:25 | |
| Arby | apachelogger: the make command still returns Nothing to be done | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | well, commit and push I will take a look | 20:31 |
| * Arby goes to wrestle with bzr again | 20:32 | |
| apachelogger | huh? Oo | 20:32 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Then it shouldn't use an agent at all. Yes. | 20:32 |
| Arby | arrgh | 20:34 |
| * Arby realises what he was doing wrong | 20:34 | |
| Arby | too many copies of the debian directory lying around :) | 20:35 |
| Arby | changed the wrong one | 20:35 |
| Arby | make works now | 20:35 |
| * Arby smacks himself round the head | 20:35 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think we ought to look at 289630 for an early SRU | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: then we would have to do that for almost every package | 20:46 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Is there a metapackage we could do it with? | 20:48 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: no, that is the problem, it would be taken care of by kubuntu-desktop | 20:49 |
| apachelogger | that dood didn't have it installed, so the upgrade didn't work properly | 20:49 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 20:50 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/289611 | 20:50 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 289611 in kdebase-workspace "Hardy+KDE4 to Intrepid breaks KDE4 systemsettings" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 20:50 |
| ScottK | Maybe we need a release note that says make sure you have the metapackage installed before you upgrade? | 20:50 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: can't hurt I guess | 20:51 |
| Arby | apachelogger: changes pushed | 20:54 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: I was just noticing that bug report. folks Getting pretty feisty in launchpad lately :( | 20:56 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: that is what you get for spending time on bug triage :P | 20:58 |
| claydoh | i don't know how you 2 do it, to be honest | 20:58 |
| claydoh | but I don't have the knowledge you do, not yet at least | 20:59 |
| claydoh | I got enough of that from kubunntu-users | 21:00 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I have to head out. Would you either also affects release-notes and add a proposed note or find someone to do it? | 21:08 |
| apachelogger | sure | 21:09 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: I love how they talk about "we" as in "we, Kubuntu" on kubuntu-users | 21:13 |
| * JontheEchidna is glad he doesn't read kubuntu-users | 21:13 | |
| apachelogger | and how parts of the "we" give wrong informations | 21:14 |
| apachelogger | lovely :D | 21:14 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-October/thread.html | 21:14 |
| apachelogger | read the beta thread | 21:14 |
| apachelogger | fun stuff :D | 21:14 |
| Riddell | evening all | 21:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: Arby isn't a member? | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: nope | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | also found it hard to believe | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | ha! | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | I've already shot this poor argument down 3 days ago. It is not up to the | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | KUbuntu developers to force people to test software. It is up to them to | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | provide a stable platform for their users. | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | that made me smile ... like this => :) | 21:16 |
| Arby | so spending the rest of the evening writing a wiki page might be a good idea then :) | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | Arby: yus | 21:16 |
| Arby | already started :D | 21:17 |
| jussi01 | Arby: Ill cheer for youi :D | 21:17 |
| Arby | jussi01: I'll hold you to that :) | 21:18 |
| jussi01 | Arby: no probs :) | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | "Software doesn't break just because it is old." | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | ok | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | the dood who wrote that just became a n00b | 21:19 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: I know. Treat you guys like you are some big mega-conglomerate OS-mongers high in some tall glass skyscraper | 21:19 |
| JontheEchidna | that steve dude is a noob | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: doesn't rant like one | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: I wish we were ;-) | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are our langpacks fixed yet? | 21:20 |
| claydoh | I may have to nlog on the subject | 21:20 |
| claydoh | er blog | 21:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I believe they're currently building | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: wasn't ETA 20UTC? | 21:21 |
| * apachelogger notes that it once was 13 UTC ;-) | 21:21 | |
| apachelogger | claydoh: there is a good chance most of the noise will fade once 8.10 is out | 21:24 |
| claydoh | not on the mailing list, they hold a grudge forever :/ | 21:24 |
| claydoh | but I agree, once its out it will all be good :) | 21:25 |
| claydoh | it already has in kubuntuforums. they actually read and learn in there | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: if not, we should consider creating some policy about it, looking at the amount of mails dedicated to KDE 3 vs. KDE 4 I don't think kubuntu-users is of much use anymore | 21:26 |
| claydoh | hmm | 21:27 |
| claydoh | dangerous, but maybe necessary | 21:29 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd just go "LOL TOO LATE" for the lulz | 21:30 |
| claydoh | but really im k-u, it is only about 6 people doing most of the posting on any given subject anyway | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: I don't see the danger, we could just create some mailing list on launchpad kubuntu-discussion and tell them that any further discussion about whether "we" should have switched to KDE 4 or not is to be done there | 21:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: could I be a member of kubuntu-experimental? | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: sure, just a sec | 21:31 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: I see | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | wtf, why are they talking about XP crashes? | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: made you admin | 21:33 |
| Riddell | ooh, I'm special | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | of course you are :) | 21:34 |
| vorian | :o | 21:38 |
| vorian | admin | 21:38 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: he's uploading the language packs, did you test? | 21:48 |
| Arby | anything obviously missing from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RichardBirnie | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: better than before, still a lot of in-your-face untranslated strings though | 21:54 |
| apachelogger | might be caused by conflict between lp and kde po import I'd guess | 21:54 |
| Riddell | that wouldn't leave things untranslated | 21:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, it would turn them fuzzy, wouldn't it? | 21:55 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: shouldn't do | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | hum | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: for some reason there are untranslated strings :( | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | kmail's view menu only got 3 translated strings | 21:58 |
| Riddell | french has some too | 21:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: not just some for german, half of dolphin's menubar items are still untranslated | 22:01 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| apachelogger | konqueror is mostly complete, except for the "go to" menu | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | plasma seems to be pretty much complete | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | the generic KCM buttons are untranslated | 22:04 |
| * JontheEchidna likes the new oxygen scrollbars: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zDPqioLuxns/SQSLu7XLiiI/AAAAAAAAAD0/uXk8U5E8BHU/s1600-h/tooltips.png | 22:04 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ok, I think the mostly untranslated dolphin menu is the most annoying | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | there are a couple of untranslated ones in the games, but nothing grave, and I doubt anyone would read mails without internet, meaning without upgrading | 22:09 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| apachelogger | Arby: I'd add some personal informatin to the wiki page as well | 22:29 |
| Arby | ok | 22:29 |
| ScottK-palm | Looks like the .de lang pack is built. Did anyone check it yet? | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: it's not 100%, dolphin and kmail menu items are still pretty untranslated, everything else looks good | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: due to a Qt caching issue I have them in 4.1 as well :P | 22:31 |
| JontheEchidna | nice :P | 22:31 |
| ScottK-palm | Not horrible then. Way better than it might have been. | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: yeah, dolphin is a bit concerning, but since most stuff is translated, I think we are in pretty good shape | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | Arby: Vcs-bzr shouldn't have been removed from control ;-) | 22:34 |
| Arby | I thought I did that. | 22:35 |
| * Arby checks again | 22:35 | |
| Arby | oh wait hang on | 22:35 |
| Arby | I removed it because it was wrong | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | fix it then :P | 22:35 |
| * Arby fixes it | 22:35 | |
| ScottK-palm | I still don't see what dolphin does that konqueror doesn't. There's a good alternative. | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: we don't use konqueror by default as file manger | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | I am concerned about the out-of-box usability | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | Arby: why odes it depend on kde-window-manager? first line of description could use a whitespace, the following lines of description should only start with one whitespace | 22:37 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I lifted the packaging from another plasmoid, forgot to remove that dep | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | Arby: rules is still missing a final newline, get-orig-source is not working properly ... one thing about rules: everytime you start a newline, the directory get reset to the primary source dir, so in case of the COPYING stuff you would actually need the ; \ magic | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | Arby: usually you would want to document the patch, and what it is doing/why it is needed in debian/changelog ... looking good otherwise | 22:40 |
| Arby | apachelogger: what is get-orig-source doing wrong, it worked for me. | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | -(~/src/bzr/kbstate-applet:$)-> ls | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | COPYING debian plasmoid-kbstate_0.0+svn876002.orig.tar.gz | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | Arby: notice something? ;-) | 22:41 |
| Arby | COPYING is not where it ought to be? | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | exactly | 22:42 |
| ScottK-palm | We probably ought to consider release noting some lang pack stuff. | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | Arby: the cause is that rules resets the direct with every new command, so cd DIR is only going to work if you make it one command ... i.e. cd DIR; svn co blah | 22:43 |
| Arby | ok | 22:44 |
| * Arby tinkers some more | 22:44 | |
| ScottK-palm | See you later. | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | Arby: please add your membership candidature to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | ~topic replace 3 4 days to go! | 22:49 |
| === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 4 days to go! | ||
| Arby | apachelogger: do I need to add it under agenda as well as under candidates? | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | Arby: no, only candidates | 22:53 |
| Arby | ok | 22:53 |
| Arby | done | 22:53 |
| Arby | apachelogger: I think I've got it this time, pushed revision 3 | 23:16 |
| * a|wen just tested his @kubuntu.org address ... wonders why it doesn't work | 23:21 | |
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