[00:37] wth [00:46] vorian, ? [00:46] sorry [00:46] i got a weird email w/out a body [00:47] The Future of Linux Computing- Gnu Gnome stomps on Trolltech KDE! [00:47] vorian: you are not alone on that one [00:47] * JontheEchidna hasn't got it [00:47] from dark star? [00:49] vorian: exactly [00:49] a|wen: weird [00:50] vorian: I got something similar (spam like) earlier from the same address ... i suppose it really is spam now [00:51] hmm [00:51] some people :P [01:20] apachelogger: At least be a MOTU and convince jdong you know what you are doing. Since you're core-dev, you'll be able to upload source backports if needed and that'll be good not to be the only one on the team. [01:21] apachelogger: I marked in the bug. [01:22] ScottK: thanks. btw, quassel needs another FFe => bug 289291 [01:22] Launchpad bug 289291 in quassel "FFe needed for upstream bug fix in prior security fix" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289291 [01:22] apachelogger: Read the bug. [01:22] The FFe one. [01:23] ah :) [01:23] * apachelogger hugs ScottK [01:42] apachelogger, interested in joining backports? [01:48] NCommander: yes, I have a backport setup for KDE releases anyway, so in can as well spend some time with official backports ;-) [01:48] * NCommander hugs apachelogger [01:48] I'm a backporter once I become an MOTU [01:48] * NCommander already got an ACK from jdong [01:50] apachelogger, you can help upload backports :-) [01:50] you are not MOTU yet? [01:51] His app is pending. [01:51] apachelogger: You know how that can feel. [01:51] *nod* [01:51] I had to poke them about smarter as well [01:52] maybe one should just become more annoying with every day that passes by ;-) [01:53] So am I the only one that is seriously annoyed at the Ubuntu brown I see on wiki.kubuntu.org? [01:53] purple would be better [01:54] ScottK: we only link to /Kubuntu I think, so it's only a minor issue IMHO [01:55] OK. So I'm the only one. [01:56] ScottK, yes. [01:56] ScottK: pretty much, it should be taken care of though [01:56] ScottK, er, I mean, no, I am too [01:56] * apachelogger thinks moin needs some sensible multidomain feature in general [01:57] apachelogger, well, I know one member of the team said they'd review within 30 hours, and that was yesterday [01:58] All I've gotten is "Anyone who is subscribed to the page got notified and no one complained so it's fine." [01:59] mhh, stepchild treatment [02:00] * NCommander notes Xubuntu hasn't had a working theme ever [02:00] kubuntu seems to be the ugly stepchild this entire release [02:00] true [02:02] * apachelogger should poke knome about a wiki theme for xubuntu [02:02] in fact, I think we should use the same with different colors :P [02:06] apachelogger, you should see my desktop, it doesn't even look like Xubuntu ATM [02:07] Oddly enough, mine doesn't either. [02:07] ScottK, I'd be worried if Kubuntu looked like Xubuntu [02:08] Sorry. The irony flag is set here tonight. [02:10] * NCommander changes #kubuntu-devel mode: -i [02:14] NCommander: I see you have the irony flag too. "Here" is in my head. [02:15] * NCommander changes ScottK's mode: -irony [02:16] NCommander: You might want to consider the alternative is worse. [02:16] o_o? [02:17] Yeah. Bad day. [02:17] Ouch [02:24] apachelogger, http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1748/screenshot2ht1.th.png [02:24] apachelogger, that's my desktop [02:24] nice thumbnail ;P [02:25] http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2ht1.png ^- JontheEchidna [02:25] hmm, methinks a desktop that looked like that would drive me crazy [02:25] the black on white? [02:26] black on black [02:26] no close buttons on windows [02:26] or minimize, etc [02:26] but now I am tasked to make Plasma look like that [02:27] JontheEchidna, ? [02:27] The buttons are all there, just a little hard to see [02:27] oh [02:28] The Crux theme doesn't handle dark colors too well [02:28] Sounds like a profile one of my kids would like. [02:28] I sit down to help them and I can [02:28] But all the icons are there if you look hard for them [02:28] can't read a thing because the contrast is so lown [02:28] I just find darker colors are easier on the eyes [02:28] is this gnome or xfce? [02:28] Xfce [02:28] Don't you see the transparent mouse bleeding through in the corner? [02:28] ok, I saw some gnome-y icons [02:29] I'm using the GNOME icon set [02:29] ah, that's why :P [02:29] The Xfce one bugs me for some reason [02:29] * NCommander has inactive windows get a slight transparency, so in the corner of my desktop I can see the Xubuntu logo [02:31] JontheEchidna, its Xfce 4.6, so I get all sorts of neat tranparency effects, its actually quite nice [02:36] Would someone please look at Debian Bug #503401 and see if we care? [02:36] Debian bug 503401 in kvirc "try to start command via irc:// handler" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/503401 [02:41] ScottK, looks like we're affected since we have the same version as Debian [02:47] NCommander: http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfceclonetg9.png [02:47] Locking the widgets'll get rid of all those plasma symbols on the panels btw [02:47] That's sexy [02:48] ^_^ [02:49] * NCommander hacks on the jaunty-ports kernel [02:49] heh, the color scheme didn't change all the way for Konsole [02:49] my biggest grip with KDE4 is its slow as a dog without acceleration [02:55] my dad finds the Task Manager applet to be his biggest gripe [02:56] the lack of multiple rows and task grouping [02:56] 1-row taskmanagers don't do well with 8 xterms + FF + Thunderbird + whatever else he may be running [02:58] ouch [02:58] wait, xterm? [02:58] ew [02:58] yes, he has 8 xterms plastered across 2 desktops [02:59] with which he does programming in vi [02:59] He should at least use konsole or something else [03:02] His new laptop is really nice [03:02] Intrepid looks and runs great on it [03:03] He turned off desktop effects because he didn't like the tooltip previews, lol [03:27] lol === akonadi is now known as nihui [03:47] NCommander: Can you check out the fix then? [03:48] ScottK, there isn't one for kvirc yet expect new upstream [03:49] * NCommander is looking to see if backporting is an option [03:51] ScottK, there is a lot of "noise" in their SVN repo, finding the fix will be tricky as hell [03:52] Perfect for you then. [03:52] * NCommander feels loved [03:53] ScottK, 3.4.0 -> 3.4.2 is described as a bug-fix release [03:53] It might simply be worth updating [03:53] Hmmm. apachelogger: What do you think? [03:55] Maybe JontheEchidna will do some testing ... [04:00] * NCommander just learned that things shouldn't get published into -updates until aging 7 days [04:00] O_o; [10:25] Hello devs. A very critical KDE accessibility bug has been fixed, and I would like to know how soon it may be incorporated into Kubuntu? I am currently stuck on KDE 3.x because of it, and thus I will not be upgrading to Kubuntu 8.10 [10:25] This is the bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165402 [10:25] KDE bug 165402 in general "No "show keyboard status" indicator in KDE4" [Wishlist,Reopened] [10:26] Was fixed in KDE SVN commit 876002 [11:01] Riddell: apachelogger: is it worth trying to get a patch for bug 275596 in before final or shall I just wait for post release updates? [11:01] Launchpad bug 275596 in kdepim "(Kubuntu Intrepid) Akregator will not display feed contents" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275596 [11:05] Arby: if you have a package ready in a PPA or the like i'll be happy to give it some testing; then you'll at least have some 3rd party testing done also before throwing it in [11:06] a|wen: I haven't built a package yet, that's next on the list [11:06] The fix is trivial if you don't mind having a look at it [11:07] there's a diff attached to the bug [11:07] it's literally on number in the akregatorrc file [11:08] Hello devs. A very critical KDE accessibility bug has been fixed, and I would like to know how soon it may be incorporated into Kubuntu? I am currently stuck on KDE 3.x because of it, and thus I will not be upgrading to Kubuntu 8.10 [11:09] This is the bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165402 [11:09] KDE bug 165402 in general "No "show keyboard status" indicator in KDE4" [Wishlist,Reopened] [11:09] Was fixed in KDE SVN commit 876002 [11:09] Arby: that is indeed trivial ... === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [11:09] yep :) [11:10] dotancohen: looking [11:10] that's actually test-able without a real package ... i'll just go checking that it doesn't seem to break some panel-hiding, or whatever could have been a remote idea of putting 0 there [11:11] a|wen: my thinking too [11:12] dotancohen: do you happen to know the svn commit that fixes the bug [11:12] SVN commit 876002 [11:12] Thanks [11:12] thanks [11:13] if it's included in the 4.1.3 release it should hit kubuntu when we package 4.1.3 which should be soon [11:13] if it's only in trunk it'll end up in 4.2 [11:13] we might be able to backport it if necessary [11:13] I'll have a look [11:15] Arby: exactly which file are you planning to patch? [11:15] a|wen: .kde/share/config/akregatorrc [11:16] Arby: but that is the local configuration-file ... shouldn't you need to patch the global one [11:16] possibly, that's just what I found that works [11:17] * Arby looks for the global file [11:17] Arby: /usr/share/kde4/config.kcfg/akregator.kcfg [11:17] Thanks, Arby. If I need a backport (I cannot use KDE 4 without it) should I file a bug report, or is there a prefered way> [11:17] ? [11:18] dotancohen: file a bug in launchpad and link it to the kde bug [11:18] Will do, thanks. [11:18] Arby: there Splitter2 sizes defaults to 50,350 [11:18] I'm not sure of the exact process but at least we've got a record of the info [11:20] a|wen: strange, because that's not what happens [11:20] Arby: the process is that the file .kde gets written the first time ... and the info used to start the first time is gotten from the kcfg-file (IIRC) [11:20] except that it isn't happening [11:21] brb [11:21] Arby: couldn't it be because of an old akregatorrc file from hardy? aren't they talking about upgrading [11:23] a|wen: could be, the same bug bit me after an upgrade. [11:23] let me look harder [11:25] Sorry to keep interupting, but here is the Launchpad bug for the KDE accesibility issue: [11:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/289440 [11:25] Ubuntu bug 289440 in meta-kde ""Show Keyboard Status" indicator in KDE4" [Undecided,New] [11:25] Thanks, Arby! [11:25] yw [11:26] Arby: got to reproduce it now :) [11:27] a|wen: that'll be interesting since I no longer have a kde3 system [11:27] VMs for the win :) [11:27] * Arby adds it to the todo list [11:27] Arby: i can reproduce it in a fresh kde4 install (no upgrade [11:27] Arby: choose viewmode combined and exit akregator ... see the akregtorrc file now it has the dreaded 0 ... open akregator again and immediately choose viewmode normal [11:28] Arby: it seems to be the viewmode changes that is broken on some level [11:28] a|wen: right, sorry, I got confused between conversations :) [11:30] Arby: hehe :) [11:31] a|wen: yes, you're right [11:32] a|wen: on switching viewmodes it isn't reading the correct default layout information [11:33] hmmph, that's much harder to fix [11:33] and well beyond my skills [11:34] Arby: or it might be that it shouldn't write 0 in the first place ... when viewmode combined is used it shouldn't fiddle with the splitter 2 option at all [11:35] a|wen: what happens if you choose viewmode=normal then close akregator, remove akregatorrc then reopen? [11:35] in my case it recreates akregatorrc with the 0 in splitter 2 [11:35] * Arby goes to make coffee, my brain hurts [11:37] Arby: it works exatcly as it should here (value = 150) ... remember to let akregator close completely before deleting the akregatorrc file [11:40] hmm [11:41] ok it worked right this time, fail on my part there then [11:43] I think I'll build a clean intrepid vm and see what happens there [11:45] Arby: sounds strange if it does that ... but on the other hand, we know there is someting wrong in the viewport code [11:46] a|wen: yeah, I have to assume that one was my bad :) [11:46] a|wen: I'll make a VM and have a look [11:47] if it behaves on a clean install then it's a problem caused by and upgrade somehow [11:47] s/and/an/ [11:47] Arby: i'm doing my test on a clean intrepid VM ... installed yesterday [11:47] ah, that answers that question then [11:48] :) [11:48] a|wen: do you speak c++? I think someone needs to read the code [11:48] I can try but I don't know C [11:48] of any flavour [11:49] Arby: me neither ... but i'm starting to learn, based on looking at kde code :) [11:49] * Arby attempts to read code [12:28] Arby: I have another fix for kdepim as well [12:28] apachelogger: it turns out I was wrong anyway [12:28] perfect :P [12:28] I fixed the symptom not the cause [12:29] * a|wen goes hiding ... for de-fixing things :P [12:29] I'm now deeper in the kdepim code than I'm comfortable with [12:29] a|wen: :P [12:29] in other words I have no idea what's going on [12:31] as a|wen correctly diagnosed the default panel sizes aren't set correctly when akregator viewmode is changed [12:31] kde svn 876002 [12:31] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=876002&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 876002 [12:31] looks playgroundish, doesn't it :P [12:32] apachelogger: the word playground sort of implies that yes :) [12:32] * apachelogger thinks we should disallow bug reports against kde-meta [12:33] apachelogger: with your core dev hat on when do you think that will land in kubuntu? [12:33] presumably 4.2 at the earliest [12:33] well [12:33] that depends partly on KDE [12:34] if they are going to include the plasmoid into 4.2, then KDE 4.2 is the latest :P [12:34] earliest would be that we create a svn snapshot of the plasmoid and deploy it via KDE 4 ppa [12:35] do you think it's important enough to try and backport? [12:36] IMHO we should be ashamed and kick ourselfs in the arse for the status of accessibility in 8.10 [12:36] so, yes, it is [12:36] ok, and what would be the required steps to do that? [12:37] grab the source, try building it, hope it builds, create a snapshot package if it does build [12:37] if it does not build: create a snapshot package, and patch it to buildable state [12:38] I'm prepared to try the grab it and attempt build part [12:38] I'll need help to package it [12:38] and I'll definitely need help if it needs patching [12:39] apachelogger: am I right in thinking this would be a post release update, too close to final etc? [12:40] this kdepim bug is too hard for me anyway :( [12:40] Arby: no update at all [12:40] it could go to intrepid-backports [12:40] but there isn't much difference if we use that or the ppa [12:41] I'll give it a go then [12:42] apachelogger: should I relocate bug 289440 to kdebase-workspace? [12:42] Launchpad bug 289440 in meta-kde ""Show Keyboard Status" indicator in KDE4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289440 [12:43] JontheEchidna: accessibility [12:45] wtf, 404 when I try to edit the bug [12:47] JontheEchidna: I edit0red it away [12:47] so bug 289418 is pretty much a wont fix since ksokoban is in the old kdegames, right? [12:47] Launchpad bug 289418 in kdegames "please include ksokoban in intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289418 [12:48] I mean, technically we could do like with kdvi [12:48] but for just a game? [12:49] apachelogger: After the new GCC upload yesterday kde4libs built on hppa, so if you could kick off more rebuilds we might get some/all of KDE build for hppa yet. [12:50] I need to leave in just a few minutes, so I can't do it now, but if you could do the first few, I can do the rest later. [12:50] ScottK: do we need an ACK from ubuntu-release? [12:50] apachelogger: Not for rebuilds. [12:51] okies [12:51] Particularly not for hppa. [12:51] afk for 15 mins [13:07] stdin: bug 289052 next time please reference the bug [13:07] Launchpad bug 289052 in kdeedu "package step 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/share/applications/kde4/step.desktop', che si trova anche nel pacchetto step-kde4" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289052 [13:09] apachelogger: kbstateapplet build fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/62870/ is this something that needs patching or something missing in my chroot? [13:10] never having used cmake manually before I don't really understand [13:11] possibly patching [13:11] Arby: kdebase-workspace-dev is installed? [13:11] checking [13:11] no it isn't so I'll try that first [13:14] apachelogger: still fails with k-w-dev installed, same error :( [13:14] * Arby fears having to patch this [13:16] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [13:16] sec [13:17] Arby: you need to patch [13:17] I was afraid you might say that [13:17] well [13:17] nothing fancy [13:18] Arby: grab $plasmoidpackage from the archive and make your cmakelists.txt resemble the one of the package [13:18] most importantly you will need [13:18] find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED) [13:18] include (KDE4Defaults [13:18] ) [13:19] apachelogger: by $plasmoidpackage do you mean any plasmoid package? [13:19] yus [13:19] e.g. weather [13:20] or quicklaunch [13:20] or toggle-compositing [13:20] * Arby looks for the corresponding package [13:21] apachelogger: is weather equivalent to the package kweather? [13:22] I barely use plasmoids, I don't like stuff on my desktop [13:23] Arby: well, the old kweather [13:23] I believe kweather only provides weather resources, and not an actual applet [13:23] JontheEchidna: no [13:23] I am pretty sure the dataengine works independent form kweather [13:23] + I have no idea what kweather is for anyway [13:24] nvm I found toggle-compositing, I'll use that [13:27] apachelogger: I think systemsettings needs to depend on kdebase-workspace-bin [13:27] bug 289368 [13:27] Launchpad bug 289368 in kdebase-workspace "systemsettings has none option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289368 [13:27] since it's somewhat useless without kcm modules [13:28] JontheEchidna: are they all in -bin? [13:28] I believe so [13:28] actually some might be in kde-window-manager [13:28] but if you're installing in gnome you wouldn't need those [13:28] yes [13:28] well [13:29] you could [13:29] anywho [13:29] JontheEchidna: isn't there some -data package as well? [13:29] I am pretty sure that contains the actual desktop files [13:29] so unless -bin depends -data (which is likely) [13:29] we would need to make sysettings depend both [13:30] I see a lot of kcontrol docs in -data [13:31] but nothing in the way of actual kcm modules [13:31] hmm, we should probably talk to debian about this [13:32] pretty much [13:34] JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace-data.install line 310-335 [13:34] kcm modules [13:35] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, kdebase-workspace-data (= ${source:Version}), [13:35] JontheEchidna: make syssettings depend -bin should be enough [13:37] so, what would the best way to notify debian be? Throw a debdiff at 'em? [13:38] apachelogger: the snippet you gave me worked, cmake completes without errors. [13:38] what happens next? [13:38] make? [13:38] yes [13:38] make goes splat [13:39] JontheEchidna: yes, or you could poke ana in their irc channel [13:39] but hide from pinotree, he might still be mad at you :P [13:40] yes <.< [13:40] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62876/ I think I'm missing some qt dev type stuff [13:46] Arby: I think now comes the real patching :P [13:46] kdelibs5-dev should depend on libqt4-dev [13:47] ok fire away I'll be back in 5 [13:47] ah [13:47] maybe not :P [13:47] * apachelogger thinks the cmake stuff is still incomplete [13:47] libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QGraphicsLayout [13:47] clearly missing something [13:49] Arby: add [13:49] add_definitions (${QT_DEFINITIONS} ${KDE4_DEFINITIONS}) [13:49] include_directories (${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR} ${KDE4_INCLUDES}) [13:49] directly following the other stuff you added [13:52] apachelogger: cmake output http://paste.ubuntu.com/62882/ [13:52] does that look sane to you? [13:53] make says yes \o/. I think [13:54] make output http://paste.ubuntu.com/62883/ [13:54] nothing obviously wrong but then I'm a neophyte [13:56] make install seems to complete [13:56] * Arby wonders how one launches a plasmoid from inside a chroot [13:59] Arby: if you setup you chroot to access your X you can use plasmoidviewer NAMEOFPLASMOID [13:59] otherwise you are boned [14:00] apachelogger: I'm just doing exactly that [14:00] I found the right bit of techbase [14:01] apachelogger: Got it sorted now? [14:02] ScottK-palm: EBS for -runtime in 2 hours [14:04] Cool. We probably won't get the whole stack at this point, but it's progress. [14:08] ScottK-palm: if hppa wasn't so slow, it certainly would be an advantage ;-) [14:09] Yeah. For a while hppa was FTBFS most things so it kept up well. [14:10] You might look ahead and see if there are non-kde depends that need a retry too. [14:12] * ScottK-palm would look, but it's pretty tough through the phone. [14:19] ScottK-palm: will do [14:23] Back later. [14:32] is bug #276224 supposed to be fixed? [14:32] Launchpad bug 276224 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "Failed to open the panel socket" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276224 [14:33] apachelogger: I think I broke the applet [14:33] cause I just got hit by i [14:33] *it [14:33] \o/ [14:33] apachelogger: plasmoidviewer shows an empty black frame [14:33] and the terminal shows findServiceByDesktopPath: not found [14:33] smarter: how exactly would that be caused by kubuntu-kde4-meta? [14:33] no idea [14:33] I'm on Intrepid [14:33] but I just started Kate and got these messages [14:33] kbuildsycoca4 [14:34] already did that but I'll try again [14:34] no luck [14:34] kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental [14:34] smarter: anywho [14:34] wrong package [14:34] clearly skim/scim related [14:35] 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0d0o0n0'0t0 0r0e0m0e0m0b0e0r0 0i0n0s0t0a0l0l0i0n0g0 0s0c0i0m0 0s0t0u0f0f0 0r0e0c0e0n0t0l0y00 [14:35] it is shipped by default [14:35] apachelogger: same result, could it be because it's inside a chroot? [14:35] and IIRC there is some conflict with skim and scim-bridge-qt* [14:35] apachelogger: wasn't that fixed by a pacth or something? [14:35] Arby: possibly [14:35] *patch [14:35] yes, but I didn't have this bug until recently [14:35] Arby: just make a package and try it on your regular system [14:36] smarter: well, I ain't know anything about tha scim [14:36] * Arby googles how to build packages with cmake [14:39] OMG [14:39] ps aux|grep scim-panel-gtk|wc -l [14:39] 161 [14:39] WTF is this thing doing? [14:41] grr, I killed them, then started kate again and it restarted scim with 12 processes [14:42] apachelogger: do you have scim installed? [14:42] no [14:42] boah [14:42] ah [14:42] ASEFJagb [14:42] stupid konqueror [14:42] stupid shortcut thingies [14:42] * apachelogger switches to windows [14:42] :P [14:43] could you reinstall kubuntu-desktop and see if scim is screwing your system? [14:43] I don't think we can release a Kubuntu where every app takes 5 seconds more than on other distros to start. [14:45] "Failed to allocate the agent. Exitting... [14:45] especially with misspelled error messages :P [14:46] JontheEchidna: ^ [14:46] * apachelogger isn't going to reboot again [14:50] If skim(or scim-panel-kde) is started, there is no more delay at startup [14:51] kde Bug 170435 [14:51] KDE bug 170435 in fontinst "When opening kfontview, either from systemsettings or cli, characters are not displayed, just a white background and the horizontal rules " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170435 [14:51] I believe this is due to latest scim-bridge update [14:51] which disable the patch which fixed that [14:52] and which was uploaded 4 days ago [14:52] (thanks to the guy who did that :P) [14:52] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/scim-bridge/0.4.14-2ubuntu4 [14:54] smarter: poke him in the eye [14:54] yup [14:54] he changed the patch to check for "which scim-helper" [14:54] except the binary scim-helper doesn't exist... [14:55] nice [15:00] grr, arne is /away [15:01] if he doesn't show up this evening, we have to revert the change to 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch [15:01] I can confirm that with -0ubuntu3 it works fine [15:01] * -2ubuntu3 [15:02]