[00:01] <Turl> hi all there
[00:01] <Turl> I noticed sth odd
[00:02] <Turl> nautilus sometimes can't delete some files - and if that happens the progress bar stays there forever and you cannot cancel it
[00:05] <lastelement0_> has anyone been having issues getting vbox to work?
[00:06] <Turl> lastelement0_, not here at least
[00:06] <Turl> I installed the latest deb from vBox's repos
[00:07] <lastelement0_> hmm
[00:07] <lastelement0_> well the latest they have is for hardy...should that still work?
[00:07] <Turl> the precompiled non-free one for hardy, that is
[00:08] <piquadrat> Hi! Is there some way to steer the attention of the devs to a certain bug? I'm experiencing the bug descriped in launchpad #286285, which is quite serious IMHO. There does not seem to be any activity on the bug, however
[00:09] <DigitalFiz> anyone here try to install openoffice3?
[00:09] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz yes i have
[00:10] <chadeldridge> evenin .. seems that I am in need of help for once.  Anyone else having a resume from standby issue (white screen) ?
[00:10] <lastelement0_> and successfully as well
[00:10] <DigitalFiz> lastelement0_, it keeps failing on me when its installing the dict package saying it requires openoffice3
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> when im installing openoffice3...
[00:11] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz have u been installing the debs 1 by 1?
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> no i used the setup script it provides
[00:11] <chadeldridge> i though OO3 was not done yet
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358
[00:11] <lastelement0_> chadeldridge, it got released this past week i believe
[00:12] <lastelement0_> or the week before
[00:12] <lastelement0_> its just not in the repos
[00:12] <chadeldridge> ahh .. not soon enough to make the 8.10 cut though .. i see
[00:12] <nekostar> is anyone else's fast-user-switcher-applet busted?
[00:12] <DigitalFiz> lastelement0_, how did you install it?
[00:12] <angusthefuzz> piquadrat: The bug seems to have a lot of activity, I will mark it confirmed and assign the appropriate kernel team
[00:13] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz, in terminal i cd'd into the DEBS folder
[00:13] <lastelement0_> then ran this sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[00:14] <DigitalFiz> ah i found the deb packages
[00:14] <piquadrat> angusthefuzz: cool, thanks. I meant to say _developer_ activity
[00:14] <DigitalFiz> OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz
[00:15] <DigitalFiz> now to wait for another 147mb file to download
[00:16] <magentar> DigitalFiz, there is also a apt repository with ooo pkgs for ubuntu intrepid
[00:20] <Turl> is OOo3 faster than v2?
[00:21] <chadeldridge> Anyone able to help with a resume from standby issue, i had a similar issue in 7.10 that required a few scripts to run in the resume process, but supposedly that was fixed with this kernel.  doesnt seem so fixed to me though. :-(
[00:21] <magentar> Turl, depends, it's quite the same if i remember correctly, startup time might be a few milliseconds lower
[00:33] <biggerfisch> when is the offical release date for 8.10?
[00:34] <Hobbsee> 30th
[00:35] <biggerfisch> ty
[00:38] <scientus> how can i make 1 partition static and have writes go to another drive, like on a livecd?
[00:39] <RyanPrior> Why is PulseAudio 0.9.10 default in Intrepid when that version was released back in March and the most current version is 0.9.13?
[00:40] <Hobbsee> RyanPrior: because there are a lot of bugs it doesn't fix, and a lot of other regressions caused.
[00:40] <RyanPrior> Ah, yikes. They both work the same on my computer as far as I can tell, but then my audio is always buggy.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> and it just wasn't worth switching and trying to track those regressions
[00:41] <Hobbsee> ithink it either works or blows up spectacularly.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> mine's in the "Just Works" category, but I know a lot aren't.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> rather like wifi, really
[00:41] <RyanPrior> Ubuntu audio has been in the "blowing up spectacularly" bracket for the last couple years on my machine.
[00:42] <RyanPrior> A long time ago it worked no problem, but now I constantly fix my audio.
[00:44] <Hobbsee> i had another machine that just hated the world, so would throw up all sorts of audio errors.
[00:44] <Hobbsee> seems very machine-specific
[00:44] <Hobbsee> they never found out why
[00:44] <dli> is ekiga-3.0 going to 8.10?
[00:44] <Hobbsee> dli: no
[00:45] <dli> Hobbsee, it's in gnome-2.24, that's why I ask
[00:46] <Hobbsee> dli: what's there now is pretty much final, and while it is in gnome 2.24, they didnt' release snapshots of it like the rest of gnome, and the code differences were too big to accept it.
[00:49] <philsf> is there any place to vote against pulseaudio being default in ubuntu? :)
[00:51] <dli> Hobbsee, thanks, I think I can backport it
[01:03] <amrik> help
[01:04] <amrik> err help, I am having difficulty getting language SCIM input to work. in particular, sometimes when I press the trigger for SCIM in firefox the toolbar does not pop up and i cannot enter japanese text
[01:07] <centaur5> How can the new network manager be configured to use eth0 for internet instead of usb0 when a cell phone is plugged in?
[01:20] <justdave> so I upgraded to Intrepid last night...
[01:20] <justdave> and for some reason my sound doesn't work when pulseaudio is installed.
[01:20] <justdave> if I uninstall pulseaudio it works fine
[01:20] <justdave> I had the same problem with hardy on this machine
[01:21] <justdave> except with intrepid, Xorg crashes if pulse isn't installed
[01:21] <justdave> (if I do a failsafe session everything works fine, including the audio though)
[01:22] <justdave> there's enough clues that I think there's something in the default session that's trying to setup pulse, and that crashes without it
[01:23] <justdave> but if anyone knows how to troubleshoot pulse, it'd be nice to actually get that working with my sound card instead
[01:24] <amrik> justdave: have you talked to the people in #pulseaudio?
[01:25] <justdave> nope.  Didn't know it existed.  Certainly sounds like a good place to start. :)
[01:29] <kri_> hi i cant connect to my router with the wireless (gui) how do i connect manually from terminal?
[01:29] <kri_> the router and is wireless connection is not encrypted (open)
[01:31] <pwnguin> gah. it seems like half of the time nautilus locks up on startup =(
[01:36] <amrik> err help, I am having difficulty getting language SCIM input to work. in particular, sometimes when I press the trigger for SCIM in firefox the toolbar does not pop up and i cannot enter japanese text
[01:40] <maco> anyone else finding that right-click-on-panel -> new panel results in jack squat happening?
[01:46] <bofh80> if anyone has noticed their sound being lower on full volume than before, i have a via chipset, and eventually found in the sound volume preferences, VIA DXS, VIA DXS 1, VIA DXS 2. and they where the cause
[01:48] <bofh80> maco, i just tried and a panel came up. i have compiz off atm, i find that having compiz turned on when i logg in, causes all kinds of wierd gnome panel problems
[01:48] <bofh80> but loggin on with it off, then enabling it, works just fine
[01:48] <maco> bofh80: no compiz here, it's in a vm. i'm not letting intrepid touch my hardware :P
[01:49] <bofh80> maco, hahahah, not a bad idea, my gnome panel appeared the on right hand side when i did it
[01:49] <bofh80> maco, got all the updates?
[01:50] <wgrant> maco: On bare metal here, with Compiz, it will add a panel to an unused side of the screen.
[01:51] <maco> wgrant: i didnt even get the popup that asks what side it should go on
[01:51] <wgrant> maco: There isn't one.
[01:52] <maco> wgrant: they got rid of that?
[01:52] <wgrant> I wasn't aware that there was one.
[01:52] <maco> i thought it was there...
[01:52] <maco> oh you're righg
[01:53] <maco> hrm
[01:53] <maco> i cant get my intrepid vm to add a panel. the trouble is the bottom of the vm gets cut off by the bottom of my screen, so i want to put a tall, empty panel at the bottom of the intrepid vm's screen so windows stop disappearing off the edge
[01:55] <maco> ooo hey thisll work. it did add one to the bottom...i just couldnt see it because of that cutting off i mentioned. i added another one, it showed up on the right, and then i told it to go to the bottom. now there are two stacked on top of each other on the bottom to keep things from being lost down there, ya!
[01:55] <wgrant> Aha.
[01:56] <bofh80> lmao
[01:56] <maco> if i use compiz on the host machine's "scale" function i can see a small version of the virt-viewer...and yeah, definitely two panels stacked on top of each other
[01:02] <cristobalcolon> is asus eeepc going to be fully supported by intrepid ibex?
[01:03] <maco> bofh80, wgrant: http://imagebin.ca/view/0wArD9.html
[01:05] <Tom_Davis> ibex is working well on the old thinkpad
[01:05] <Tom_Davis> everything, including wireless :)
[01:18] <chadeldridge> anyone able to help troubleshoot an issue with resume from standby ?
[01:19] <xsacha> just had really bad experience on 8.10rc live disc :\
[01:20] <chadeldridge> xsacha: what?
[01:20] <xsacha> first thing i did was go to voice recorder. when i hit record, it was recording 30 seconds for every 1 second
[01:20] <xsacha> i hit stop, saved and had a 20 min audio file from about a minute.
[01:20] <chadeldridge> sound seems to be a huge complaint with a lot of people, including me now as well.
[01:21] <chadeldridge> my media player and vlc operate on a different volume control than my system does ..
[01:21] <xsacha> then i hit 'New' and it created a new window called <Untitled - 4> and the default file was Untitled (3) while the previous file had just been Untitled. not sure where it got 4 or 3 from
[01:22] <xsacha> btw, i went to sound settings where you can hit 'Test' and the test noise seems to be a long beep. is this right?
[01:22] <chadeldridge> xsacha:  yeah
[01:22] <xsacha> why not some jingle?
[01:22] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: do you mind helping us out with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288252
[01:22] <xsacha> k
[01:22] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: the initial poster switched back to hardy and I can not advance the bug without more information
[01:23] <xsacha> anyway, i tried recording again and i got up to 3 minutes recorded (actually 6 seconds), then my panels disappeared and a few seconds later the computer froze
[01:23] <chadeldridge> angusthefuzz: seems to be a lot of issue that relate to alsa or oss .. something is just not right
[01:24] <angusthefuzz> chadeldridge: yes, there does appear to be many problems, the bug reports on alsa are pouring in
[01:25] <chadeldridge> kinda why i am just waiting for the fixes and the go-live, then they will really pour in
[01:25] <chadeldridge> is there any reason to have OSS at this point in the game? cant I just remove it and use alsa only ?
[01:25] <pen> hey, anyone know why sometimes irssi can't join multiple channels? because it either disappeared or messed up
[01:31] <xsacha> angusthefuzz: more information provided
[01:31] <angusthefuzz> thank you xsacha
[01:31] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: can you get us an alsa-info.sh output?
[01:32] <xsacha> ah ok, gotta boot up live disc again. brb
[01:32] <xsacha> i cant get internet on it tho, so gotta d/l script now i guess
[01:32] <angusthefuzz> sorry for the trouble
[01:33] <xsacha> my only source of internet is a wpa2-psk network and the gnome network manager doesnt seem to do those
[01:34] <wgrant> It does...
[01:34] <wgrant> It'd be pretty useless if it didn't.
[01:35] <pen> anyone know how to make vlc the default player for all the format ?
[01:35] <xsacha> when i click add wireless network it only gives none, wep, wpa1/wpa2 as options :\
[01:35] <wgrant> xsacha: So choose WPA2...
[01:35] <pen> but I want to preserve totem because of mozplugger
[01:35] <pen> for browser
[01:36] <pen> so
[01:36] <pen> how do I make vlc the default player on my laptop?
[01:36] <xsacha> wgrant: not the same thing tho. wpa2 doesnt have usernames?
[01:36] <xsacha> need PEAP
[01:36] <wgrant> xsacha: WPA2 Enterprise has usernames.
[01:36] <xsacha> yeah thats what i need
[01:36] <wgrant> Then don't create a new network.
[01:37] <wgrant> Connect to an existing one.
[01:37] <xsacha> right...
[01:37] <chadeldridge> unless i use OSS in my sound settings all i get is static with ALSA on my card
[01:38] <justdave> just for the record, fixed my sound problem with pulse...  had to install padevchooser and pick devices because my sound card apparently has more than one output, and the one pulse was picking by default wasn't hooked up to anything
[01:38] <pen> how do I make vlc the default player on my laptop?
[01:38] <justdave> not sure why that isn't installed by default if you need it to make pulse work
[01:39] <b33r> pen, right click on the file go to properties, open with tab
[01:39] <chadeldridge> justdave: wasnt pulseaudio even buggier than alsa though ?  maybe i should try it to fix this issue
[01:39] <b33r> pen, if you don't see vlc option click on add and select vlc from there
[01:40] <pen> b33r: so you mean i have to set it indiviually?
[01:40] <justdave> chadeldridge: that's what I heard a while back...  but the fact that Ubuntu ships it as the default sound manager these days means it should improve pretty quick I'd imagine
[01:40] <pen> b33r: no other quicker ways?
[01:40] <b33r> all the files with the same extension should open with vlc after you do it with 1 file
[01:41] <pen> b33r: but I want multiple extensions to be set once
[01:41] <chadeldridge> justdave: setting all mine to pulseaudio just produces static when i test .. what did you do to fix yours ?
[01:41] <pen> b33r: like in windows you can do that
[01:41] <b33r> pen, I only know that way besides how many extensions you want 3? 5? not such a hard work to do it :/
[01:42] <justdave> chadeldridge: I leave it set to "Automatic" in the GNOME sound panel
[01:42] <pen> b33r: I don't know, but I think this is easier that way to set them all at once
[01:42] <justdave> I just had to install padevchooser, and pick my sound card from the drop down in the panel
[01:42] <pen> b33r: and update-alternatives don't have the option to set alternatives for the media type
[01:43] <chadeldridge> justdave: yeah automatic is choosing pulse audio it seems if i do alsa i get an error about not being able to capture the device
[01:43] <b33r> pen, sorry I don't know any other ways..
[01:43] <bridie> Anyone got a solution for when Intrepid detects the monitor wrong?  I can't select any higher than 800x600 for my laptop screen and displayconfig-gtk doesn't work in intrepid.
[01:43] <ripps> pen: there is no mechanism to update multiple file extensions at once, submit a feature request with the gnome developers
[01:44] <pen> b33r: like if I want .mov to be opened by vlc but I don't have mov at hand, isn't it annoying to go online and find a mov and download then set it?
[01:44] <RyanPrior> How come Enlightenment isn't in Intrepid?
[01:44] <pen> ripps: where can I submit that? launchpad?
[01:44] <ripps> pen: That'd probably be fine
[01:44] <pen> RyanPrior: probably not permitted...
[01:45] <RyanPrior> pen: It's been in Universe ever since Dapper...
[01:45] <ripps> bridie: have you tried xrandr?
[01:45] <pen> RyanPrior: you mean enlightment?
[01:45] <pen> RyanPrior: btw, in bugs right?
[01:45] <RyanPrior> pen: I mean what I typed.
[01:46] <pen> alright
[01:46] <avis> how do i set a static ip address in intrepid ?
[01:46] <wgrant> RyanPrior: What gives you the idea that it's not there?
[01:46] <wgrant> avis: System->Preferences->Network Connections, edit the connection that you want.
[01:46] <RyanPrior> wgrant: It doesn't show up in the Ubuntu package repo search.
[01:47] <wgrant> RyanPrior: Which?
[01:47] <bridie> ripps: Yep.  Just lists the two available screen resolutions (640x480 and 800x600) and states max is 800x600.  In hardy I had to run displayconfig.gtk and manually specify my monitor as LCD 1024x800
[01:47] <RyanPrior> wgrant: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <wgrant> RyanPrior: e16 still exists fine.
[01:47] <avis> that is network manager, and it doesn't seem to adjust to the defined static ip configuration everytime i try and set it
[01:47] <bridie> displayconfig-gtk rather
[01:47] <wgrant> packages.u.c is not the canonical reference.
[01:47] <chadeldridge> how do you select your device with padevchooser ?
[01:48] <ripps> bridie: That probably means you'll have to do something similar with Intrepid, since it seems either Xorg or Monitor have some bad info on your monitor.
[01:48] <chadeldridge> nm
[01:48] <RyanPrior> wgrant: Ah, I hadn't noticed that there was the new package.
[01:48] <RyanPrior> wgrant: It used to be just "enlightenment".
[01:48] <bridie> ripps: yep - but no-one seems to know if a utility like displayconfig-gtk even exists in intrepid
[01:49] <ripps> !info displayconfig-gtk
[01:49] <wgrant> displayconfig-gtk has been removed.
[01:49] <pen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usability/SpecEnhancedPreferredApps
[01:49] <ripps> bridie: do you have any old versions of xorg.conf in /etc/X11?
[01:49] <pen> seems like someone already propose the idea
[01:49] <wgrant> You can either add a new mode with xrandr every time you start a new session, or configure the new mode in xorg.conf.
[01:49] <pen> but noone has taken notice yet
[01:49] <pen> I think
[01:49] <wgrant> ripps: Bad idea.
[01:49] <wgrant> Bad bad idea.
[01:50] <bridie> ripps: as in pre-upgrade?  did a clean install of intrepid unfortunately.
[01:50] <ripps> wgrant: I just wanted him to copy the monitor section.
[01:50] <wgrant> ripps: Ah.
[01:50] <bridie> wgrant: how would I add a new mode with xrandr?
[01:51] <wgrant> bridie: It's slightly complicated. Probably better to alter xorg.conf for now.
[01:52] <ripps> bridie: xrandr --addmode *output* *width*height*
[01:52] <wgrant> ripps: That will only work if the mode already exists.
[01:52] <wgrant> You'll likely need to --newmode first.
[01:52] <wgrant> Which needs the modeline calculated by 'cvt'
[01:53] <ripps> wgrant: yeah, that's right...
[01:53] <xsacha> angusthefuzz: hey that script didnt work
[01:53] <xsacha> said /bin/bash^M invalid interpreter or something
[01:53] <bridie> OK - will try editing xorg.conf if you're able to give instructions how?
[01:54] <wgrant> bridie: Add, to the Screen section:
[01:54] <wgrant> 	SubSection "Display"
[01:54] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[01:54] <wgrant> Hmm.
[01:54] <ripps> bridie: see if you can find a xorg.conf of someone else with your monitor on google. If you do, copy their monitor section and add to your own xorg.conf
[01:54] <wgrant> Actually, its not quite so easy.
[01:55] <justdave> my best success with the automatic monitor detection picking the wrong screen is to set the wrong ones to disabled in xorg.conf
[01:55] <bridie> ripps: It's a laptop and unfortunately I can't find any information.  It's a very linux un-friendly laptop....have to use the VESA drivers as SiS won't release drivers for Mirage 3
[01:55] <wgrant> bridie: See http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5993954&postcount=7 for doing it with xrandr.
[01:55] <wgrant> justdave: We don't have monitors in xorg.conf any more.
[01:55] <justdave> right, have to add an entry for the one it's picking that it shouldn't be and set it for disabled.
[01:56] <justdave> Section "Monitor" Identifier      "TMDS-1" Option          "Ignore"        "True"
[01:56] <justdave> EndSection
[01:56] <justdave> hmm, my paste ate a couple line feeds there
[01:56] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[01:56] <ripps> justdave: you need to use a pastebin
[01:57] <wgrant> justdave: Why would we want to disable a monitor?
[01:57] <justdave> ripps: it was only 3 lines
[01:57] <justdave> more than that and I would have.
[01:57] <justdave> wgrant: because there is no monitor on that port, and xorg thinks there is
[01:57] <avis> when i enter 255.255.255.0 netmark in network manager, it changes it to "24" disables my internet connection too
[01:58] <bridie> wgrant: Reading that page now, but don't think I'm sufficiently experienced to work it out
[01:59] <ripps> bridie: what's your laptop model, maybe I can find some info
[01:59] <a1len> Hey guys. Anyone else experiencing problems with the new updates?
[01:59] <justdave> in this case, the video card has both an S-video out and a DVI out.  I happen to be using the S-video out.  But the way the card sets it up, it exposes both ports, but one is actually a subset of the other (can't use both at once)
[02:00] <justdave> and xorg always tries to use the DVI, which has a larger default screen size, and I wind up with a bunch of stuff offscreen
[02:00] <wgrant> a1len: Perhaps if you described the problem...
[02:00] <justdave> (it's a Mac Mini hooked up to an older television)
[02:01] <bridie> ripps: It's an Advent 9315, 15.4" monitor, SiS Mirage 3 Graphics adapter (though like I said, drivers are not forthcoming)
[02:01] <a1len> Well, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who was... after the update Ubuntu fails to recognise my wireless card. It's the Atheros, and I already tried the madwifi fix.
[02:02] <gaelfx> are these most recent updates safe?
[02:03] <wgrant> a1len: There is more than one problem in existence. Describing problems helps.
[02:03] <a1len> I was thinking perhaps a source list was no good, so I reinstalled and updated with the default source list, and the same problem occured.
[02:03] <wgrant> a1len: Do you have linux-backports-modules installed?
[02:03] <wgrant> gaelfx: No, we deliberately destroy your system four days before releae.
[02:03] <ripps> bridie: how about I walk you through the xrandr method step by step?
[02:04] <gaelfx> I knew it!
[02:04] <a1len> wgrant: Not unless that installation is part of the original Ubuntu source updates.
[02:04] <a1len> wgrant: I think it is, isn't it?
[02:04] <wgrant> a1len: It isn't. That's the point of it.
[02:05] <a1len> wgrant: Is there a particular source where I can get it from? I is there a deb or something on the net?
[02:05] <ripps> bridie: type "cvt 1024 800" and paste the output here.
[02:05] <wgrant> a1len: It's in the default repositories.
[02:06] <wgrant> linux-backports-modules-intrepid, you'll probably need.
[02:06] <a1len> wgrant: "Linux backports modules" in add/remove, or synaptic?
[02:07] <humbolt> how do I get pulseaudio to run with a negative nice level?
[02:08] <wgrant> a1len: The latter, I suspect.
[02:08] <a1len> wgrant: Thanks. I'll try it and let you know.
[02:10]  * wgrant -> lunch
[02:10] <m0u5e> when using terminal services to connect to a windows box, how do I get out of full-screen mode?
[02:20] <dli> /etc/X11/X !
[02:24] <humbolt> why is it, that when starting pulseaudio by hand the nice level set in daemon.conf is respected and when starting it through pulse-session, it is not?
[02:24] <ripps> humbolt: why are you so concerned with pulseaudio's nice level?
[02:25] <humbolt> because pulse seems to get to less cpu, has dropped samples all the time.
[02:26] <ripps> humbolt: try adding yourself to the pulse-rt user group to give pulseaudio realtime access
[02:26] <humbolt> by the way, I strongly believe it was a very bad idea to rush in pulse in hardy LTS.
[02:26] <ripps> humbolt: so does everybody. But most of the kinks have been worked out now.
[02:27] <maco> humbolt: installing it wasn't the issue. the default "get exclusive access" was.  it should've been configured to share with non-pulse apps
[02:27] <bridie> ripps: Did you see the output I posted?
[02:27] <humbolt> ripps: not sure it these params will be respected, as it seems to make a difference whether pulse is started by me or by /usr/bin/pulse-session
[02:27] <ripps> bridie: no
[02:28] <humbolt> maco: you are right! that is exactly what I thought. Bad idea to take dmix away.
[02:28] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m44455747
[02:28] <dli> you guys missed /usr/bin/Xorg in xserver-xorg
[02:29] <humbolt> so are there any know tweaks that I could do on pulse to make it faster?
[02:30] <ripps> bridie: okay now type "xrandr --newmode 1280x800 66.75 1024 1080 1184 1344  800 803 813 831"
[02:31] <ripps> bridie: btw, did xrandr refer to your monitor as TMDS-1?
[02:31] <maco> humbolt:  you can turn dmix back on if you like.  i blogged it when i found i couldnt get sound from mythtv.
[02:32] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m315c1f4f (xrandr output)
[02:34] <bridie> ripps: that's the output of xrandr following me inputting that command: http://pastebin.com/m515e9bb9
[02:34] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[02:35] <wgrant> scorch: What does a repeater have to do with anything?
[02:35] <enki> hello
[02:35] <enki> i just upgraded to 8.10RC and am running into a lot of bugs
[02:35] <ripps> bridie: Hmm, it didn't say. I'll assume it's TMDS-1. Type "xrandr --addmode TMDS-1 1280x800".
[02:35] <scorch> wgrant: everything
[02:36] <maco> scorch: are you sure it's network manager and not the router?  usually a high-jitter connection comes from the router or switches involved...
[02:36] <scorch> wgrant:  it keeps connecting to my repeater and then my router
[02:36] <scorch> maco: works fine in windows
[02:36] <maco> scorch: oh you want to set it to only use a specific WAP when there are multiple available with the same SSID?
[02:36] <scorch> yes
[02:37] <scorch> or repeater rather.....  I have a belkin wireless g range extender in repeater mode
[02:37] <bridie> ripps:  xrandr: cannot find output "TMDS-1"
[02:38] <enki> for one thing, when I try to lock my computer, it crashes
[02:38] <cristobalcolon> where can i configure menus transparency in compiz in intrepid ibex?
[02:39] <tsedreyt> Hey guys, I got a pretty weird problem on my hands.
[02:39] <wgrant> enki: You could give some hardware information...
[02:39] <enki> sorry. its a thinkpad r61
[02:39] <maco> scorch: right click nm -> edit connections -> wireless -> choose your network -> edit -> put the MAC address of the repeater into the BSSID: box
[02:39] <tsedreyt> Yesterday I didn't have sound, now I do, but when I plugin speakers, they don't work....
[02:40] <tsedreyt> (its not the speakers, I've tried multiple)
[02:40] <scorch> maco: ok not the mac address box?
[02:40] <ripps> bridie: hmm... give the output of "xrandr --verbose"
[02:40] <maco> scorch: no, that's for the interface on your machine. BSSID is for the AP
[02:40] <scorch> maco: ah thats what I am doing wrong
[02:41] <scorch> maco:  do i need to reset the connection after doing that?
[02:41] <enki> my thinkfinger pam module requires me to hit enter now after I swipe my finger.  wine won't open up the C Drive anymore.  and when a new window opens (for any program) the graphics get all messed up for a second
[02:41] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m6f1ba819
[02:41] <enki> none of these problems were present with 8.04
[02:41] <maco> scorch: yeah, disconnect and reconnect
[02:41] <CarlFK> I just updated (it has been a few days) and now my wifi doesn't work.  Atheros  AR242x 802.11abg
[02:41] <maco> scorch: im asking the guy next to me because my intrepid is a vm and thusly lacks wifi
[02:41] <CarlFK> is this known issue, or should I report a bug to lp?
[02:41] <wgrant> CarlFK: Install linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[02:42] <enki> also, vmware stopped working
[02:42] <scorch> maco:  ok.... ill try it..
[02:42] <wgrant> We reverted from ath5k due to lots of regressions, I believe.
[02:42] <maco> enki: rebuild your vmware kernel module.  you always have to do that after kernel update
[02:42] <scorch> maco: is there anywhere I can test my connection for awhile and see if it continues to fluxtuate?  or just download something in update manager?
[02:43] <CarlFK> wgrant: yeah, ath5k didn't seem rock solid to me - lots of chatter in syslog
[02:43] <maco> scorch: sure, work on seeding ubuntu torrents :P
[02:43] <enki> yeah, i just uninstalled it to try to fix the other problems
[02:43] <ripps> bridie: try "xrandr --addmode default 1280x800"
[02:43] <enki> i do notice that my wifi/bluetooth indictator lights are working now (they weren't flashing in 8.04)
[02:43] <scorch> maco:  lol, true, thanks
[02:43] <maco> CarlFK: it works for some people and breaks things horribly for other people, while the default in intrepid does that but reverses which group gets which effect...i think....based on reading mailing lists
[02:43] <scorch> maco: u got a link for a ubuntu torrent so I can do that
[02:44] <enki> the big problem is the crashing after I try to log off. lock, shutdown and reboot work fine
[02:44] <maco> enki: does it happen if you rather-forcibly logoff (by which i mean ctrl+alt+bksp) too?
[02:44] <maco> scorch: http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ some in there
[02:45] <enki> i dont know, ive only tried the gnome log off
[02:45] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m23fcd05d
[02:45] <enki> it keeps going in an endless loop of logoff. kind of hard to describe.
[02:46] <ripps> bridie: you should now be able to change the resolution in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. Hang on and I'll give you a script so that this can all be done at startup.
[02:47] <bridie> ripps: when I change in screen resolution and press apply, nothing happens.
[02:48] <bridie> ripps: If I change it to 640x480 and hit apply, it does go smaller though.  changing to 1024x800 then close and re-open and it's back on 800x600
[02:49] <ripps> bridie: Try "xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800".
[02:50] <maco> quick poll:  any of you think the wallpaper looks more like a human skull than a goat with big horns?
[02:50] <maco> someone reported a bug saying that the wallpaper shouldn't be a picture of a skull because it's morbid, and i'm confused
[02:51] <ripps> bridie: Here's the script I came up with: http://pastebin.com/m70b8c2e0
[02:51] <enki> where should I look to find the error?
[02:51] <bridie> ripps: returns this: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed.  I don't know if I ever got 1280x800 working in hardy though, think the max I could get was 1024x768 - could that be the problem?
[02:53] <ripps> bridie: Yeah... except we need to change all the information to adapt to that number
[02:54] <ripps> okay, give me "cvt 1024 768" and I'll give you an updated script
[02:55] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m532c1508
[02:56] <scorch> maco: seems to be working... thanks....  seeding now
[02:57] <scorch> if i have rc, when final comes out, will my system automaticly update through update manager
[02:57] <scorch> ?
[02:57] <ripps> bridie: okay... http://pastebin.com/m4434d714
[02:58] <bridie> ripps: still getting crtc 0 failed
[02:59] <enki> so is there any way to fix these problems, or am I SOL?
[02:59] <ripps> bridie: *sigh*.... My only suggestion now is to install displayconfig-gtk from a hardy package and try it. I couldn't find any existing xorg.conf's. Make sure to backup xorg.conf in case if screws it up.
[03:04] <leftyfb> any reports of the latest kernel update breaking atheros wireless drivers?
[03:05] <maco> leftyfb: it works for some people and breaks things horribly for other people, while the default in intrepid does that but reverses which group gets which effect...i think....based on reading mailing lists
[03:06] <maco> leftyfb: so if you're one of the people where default dont work, install linux-backports-modules
[03:07] <enki> i just noticed in my user.log that there are a lot of pulseaudio errors
[03:07] <enki> none of these messages occured before the upgrade. could that be a cause?
[03:08] <leftyfb> maco: thanks, trying now. I actually noticed that on one of the bug reports, but wanted more info before going to install it.
[03:14] <leftyfb> maco: thanks, that fixed it. But now i'm not able to tell people all the hardware works out of the box with no configuring with intrepid on the eeepc 701 anymore :(
[03:14]  * enki sighs
[03:15] <maco> leftyfb: well the options are "work on eeepc" v. "work for everyone else" ...there are only a couple models (one of them's the eeepc) of atheros that work with that driver
[03:15] <leftyfb> you forgot option 3  "work on leftyfb's eeepc"  ;)
[03:16] <maco> i thought that was part of option 0? and what happened to option 2? did we skip that one?
[03:16] <leftyfb> i get it though
[03:17] <enki> how about option B0: Help enki figure out why intrepid is breaking his thinkpad's ubuntu
[03:18] <petererer> it's not
[03:18] <petererer> your thinkpad is breaking intrepid
[03:19] <enki> hah
[03:19] <enki> i had no problems with anything under hardy, suddenly things are not working right
[03:20] <maco> yeah, thats fairly common, really
[03:20] <enki> even with 5 days to go before release?
[03:20]  * DigitalFiz licks leftyfb 
[03:21] <leftyfb> hi Fiz
[03:21] <DigitalFiz> sup you following me? :P
[03:21] <frosterrj> hi all...Just installed the RC on Aspire One.  No love for the wireless.  Ath_PCI is loaded, manually entered connection in network connections.  No luck so far.  Any pointers?
[03:22] <maco> enki: i dont know if your *specific* issues are known, but i do know that intrepid has a lot of regressions
[03:22] <maco> frosterrj: linux-backports-modules?
[03:22] <maco> enki: suspend is gone for ati and nvidia users is one major one
[03:22] <maco> enki: kernel panics for 802.11n
[03:22] <leftyfb> maco: that's 2 :)
[03:22] <maco> enki: no out-of-the-box tablet support
[03:23] <maco> leftyfb: hm?
[03:23] <frosterrj> maco: not sure.  I didn't do anything special in synaptic - enabled 3rd party.  What do I need in backports?
[03:23] <leftyfb> "there are only a couple models (one of them's the eeepc) of atheros that work with that driver"
[03:23] <maco> leftyfb: i didnt say models of computers, i said models of wireless card. and you were actually the second.
[03:23] <angusthefuzz> maco: cant forget scrolling in nautilus tabs
[03:24] <leftyfb> frosterrj: run in a terminal:   sudo lspci | grep -i net               what model wireless do you have?
[03:25] <leftyfb> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01
[03:25] <frosterrj> found a nast bug in installer - unable to find partitions unless I open gparted, unmount the partition, go back one step to let installer re-find partitions
[03:25] <frosterrj> leftyfb: IIRC, its ath242
[03:25] <leftyfb> ah, that'll explain it
[03:25] <frosterrj> sorry, ar242
[03:25] <leftyfb> install the backports modules like maco suggested... worked for me
[03:26] <frosterrj> which ones?
[03:26] <leftyfb> linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic
[03:26] <frosterrj> ok, brb
[03:27] <Xcerca> does 8.10 use LILO as it's default bootloader ,  i'm running 'update-manager -d' from 8.04 right now and i ise GRUB as the bootloader, i got an alert that LILO is not installed and configured
[03:27] <nekostar> hm
[03:27] <nekostar> X seems to be taking up a LOT more memory....
[03:28] <nekostar> Xcerca thats normal
[03:28] <nekostar> iirc
[03:28] <nekostar> grub is default
[03:28] <Xcerca> after it's installed i wont have to install LILO then ?
[03:29] <Xcerca> i wonder why it has that popup then..
[03:30] <frosterrj> leftyfb: how to add backports repo in synaptic?  Updates has an entry for intrepid backports (unsupported).  Check this one?
[03:30] <leftyfb> frosterrj: sure
[03:30] <leftyfb> although I just write my own sources.list
[03:30] <leftyfb> much cleaner
[03:31] <leftyfb> http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid
[03:33] <Xcerca> is uswing update-manager -d , the best/most common way to update from 8.04 to 8.10 ?   also since i'm doing it now will it take less time on 30 Oct when the real one comes out ?
[03:34] <leftyfb> it'll most certainly take less time then it will on the 30th
[03:34] <Tom_Davis> Xcerca, well, it might take a bit longer because of everyone hitting it, but you'll save time troubleshooting ghosts
[03:35] <jesseboi> anyone experiencing bootup problems on the latest daily?
[03:36] <Tom_Davis> nope, working good on this lappy I am on
[03:36] <Xcerca> o ok, i thought that most of the packages would be updated and thats what i'm downloading..  but then the few that aren't it would just download and install
[03:36] <jesseboi> Where might I find the bootlog so I can help troubleshoot this?
[03:37] <ripps> Xerca: Be prepared to wait over a day for it to download, mine took about a full day.
[03:37] <Tom_Davis> jesseboi, /var/log
[03:37] <Tom_Davis> mine took 2 hours
[03:38] <ripps> Tom_Davis: Either you didn't have alot of packages installed in Hardy, or you just suck.
[03:39] <Tom_Davis> 5mb
[03:40] <frosterrj> leftyfb: backports modules installed.  Whats  needed to get wireless up now?
[03:40] <leftyfb> reboot
[03:43] <ripps> So, does anybody else here have mpd installed?
[03:43] <nekostar> i dont
[03:44] <nekostar> does anyone else notice massive quantities of memory being used?
[03:47] <ripps> Hypothetically speaking, if intrepid had a serious issue, but it couldn't be resolved until after Beginning of November, would they delay Intrepid's release.
[03:48] <nekostar> ripps they have before
[03:48] <danbh_intrepid> ripps: the rc cd IS the release already
[03:48] <nekostar> but not in a while..
[03:48] <nekostar> danbh_intrepid its an rc which != release
[03:48] <leftyfb> that's like saying Obama IS president
[03:49] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[03:49] <ripps> I think there's still too many issues to call this full release. I still can't run some programs still, like mpd and ccsm.
[03:49] <leftyfb> ccsm runs fine for me
[03:49] <Smegzor> ditto
[03:50] <danbh_intrepid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate  .... "In an ideal world, it would be (functionally) identical to the final release."
[03:50] <leftyfb> danbh_intrepid: it's a release candidate .... not the final release
[03:50] <ripps> I can use simple-ccsm, but not ccsm. I keep getting a TypeError: __init__() 2 arguments (3 given)
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> leftyfb: the point is that hoping for lots of major fixes between rc and final isn't the point.  Ideally, most bugs should be worked out.  At least thats what the docs say.
[03:53] <Smegzor> I installed the latest VirtualBox (the installer for all linuxes) and its broken my network.  Also for some reason, I can't make any changes to my network even as sudo, it always says my network settings are read only!  I don't want to uninstall VirtualBox, so how do I fix my network?  Its a wired network and its lost the DNS settings.  All other settings are present and correct.
[03:54] <Smegzor> The new network interface is completely alien compared to the old one :/
[03:59] <Smegzor> anyone?  I'd quite like my network working again.  No pressure :)
[04:00] <Smegzor> a quick google suggests I have to configure my network by hand as the tool is currently broken
[04:00] <DanaG> Smegzor: is stuff defined in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:01] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: whats the new interface that you are using?
[04:01] <DanaG> New one is networkmanager editor.
[04:01] <bazhang> Mac_Taylor, did you join #freenode? to resolve your issue?
[04:01] <Smegzor> I'm in a hardy live cd atm, but its the tool in the preferences menu in intrepid for managing the network
[04:02] <Mac_Taylor> bazhang, its takin care of
[04:02] <Smegzor> no matter what I try, the wired network settings are always read only
[04:03] <Mac_Taylor> why
[04:04] <Smegzor> DanaG: hang on, i'll check
[04:06] <Smegzor> DanaG:  yes and it looks fine to me.  Want me to pastebin it?
[04:07] <Smegzor> http://pastebin.com/d26e2c7e1
[04:09] <danbh_intrepid> there was a bug with NM that prevented you from using /etc/network/interfaces and NM at the same time.  Don't know if it got fixed, delayed, or it was considered a feature, or whatever.
[04:09] <dr_willis> !info vlc
[04:09] <danbh_intrepid> I got slightly confused about it, but I didn't look that hard either
[04:09] <Smegzor> hmm.. so is there a work around?
[04:10] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: nuke your interfaces file, except for the first two lines.  The ones concerning lo
[04:10] <Smegzor> ok.  I'll back it up first tho
[04:11] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: but then there was a bug about nm not being able to handle static ips.  Again, I don't know the current status of that.
[04:11] <DanaG> I think it should be able to handle static now.
[04:11] <lucax> i dont know if theres any intrepid developer here, but nice job
[04:11] <DanaG> You'll want to _add_ a new wired (or wireless) entry, give it some name, and set the parameters in the network editor -- and then perhaps also set it as a "System Setting".
[04:12] <Smegzor> ok
[04:13] <Smegzor> um..  how do I make the partition writable?  i'm using a live ubuntu atm.
[04:13] <DanaG> You can boot the native one again, right?
[04:14] <DanaG> I don't remember how to chroot in a way that'll let GUI apps run.
[04:14] <Smegzor> actually nevermind.  I'll just save this chat to a memory stick and boot up normally
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, remount it rw
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, sudo mount -oremount,rw /dev/hda2
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, example only
[04:15] <Smegzor> thanks dli.  I'll try that with my drive of course ^^
[04:15] <DanaG> space after -o
[04:15] <Smegzor> yip
[04:15] <jesseboi> does anyone know where I might find that xml feed that shows all the new packages being submitted to Intrepid?   I remember there used to be one but I can't find the URL.
[04:16] <nekostar> is there a place for gnome-panel errors?
[04:16] <nekostar> i'm having a horrid time with the fast-user-switcher-applet
[04:16] <nekostar> i'm having a horrid time with the fast-user-switch-applet *
[04:16] <nekostar> [it wont display, just a small white vertical line.]
[04:23] <lucax> nekostar, i dont have any problems with it
[04:23] <kernco> I'm running Kubuntu 8.10 and DVDs won't play in dragon player.  I've installed kubuntu-restricted-extras.  I also installed totem and ubuntu-restricted-extras, and that won't play DVDs either.
[04:23] <lucax> try updating
[04:23] <nekostar> i'm u pdated
[04:24] <danbh_intrepid> kernco: are they encrypted?
[04:24] <lucax> nekostar, mmmmmmmmm .config .gconf search there for fast user switch conf files and delete them
[04:25] <CjMaster> !hi
[04:25] <dr_willis> kernco,  did ya install the dcss stuff from medibuntu?
[04:25] <kernco> danbh_intrepid: They're movies bought from the store
[04:25] <DanaG> what is dragon player?
[04:25] <dr_willis> !dvd
[04:25] <dr_willis> Hmm
[04:25] <nekostar> lucax yeah making a new user gonna give it a try
[04:25] <dr_willis> !medibuntu
[04:26] <kernco> DanaG: Dragon player is the default video player in KDE 4
[04:26] <danbh_intrepid> kernco: see the medibuntu fact above ^
[04:26] <lucax> nekostar, i dont know, it could work... maybe u had problems because some old settings... i did a dist update and didnt have any issue though
[04:27] <nekostar> it was working
[04:27] <nekostar> we'll see
[04:27] <nekostar> i was just thinking everyone had it busted, and was ignoring it for a couple days
[04:27] <nekostar> but i got tired of that ~_^
[04:28] <Shakedown> ﻿I remember reading that the ATI proprietary driver isn't supported in the new release of Xorg that comes with 8.10? Is this true...will I have to use the opensource ATI driver if I upgrade to 8.10 ?
[04:29] <Smegzor> danbh_intrepid: Thanks for your help.  Nuking all but the first two lines of my interfaces file  got my network working again :D
[04:30] <danbh_intrepid> np
[04:31] <z0r> Shakedown: i'm wondering the same thing. I've read reports of people getting fglrx working in intrepid, but i'm not sure if you still need to downgrade X
[04:31] <kernco> ok, installed libdvdcss2 from medibuntu and everything works now, thanks guys
[04:31] <Shakedown> Well I might end up staying with 8.04 for a while then
[04:32] <z0r> Shakedown: these guys seem to have it working: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6031019#post6031019
[04:32] <Shakedown> Well, my main concern is getting the most out of my graphics card AND dual monitoring
[04:34] <nekostar> o wow
[04:34] <Cycom> hey, quick question about the fglrx driver: is there any way to get video to playback without all that black flickering stuff?
[04:34] <z0r> Cycom: you have fglrx working in intrepid?
[04:35] <nekostar> lucax um .. apparently there's a setting somewhere that lets you disable it and apparently i had it clicked. possibly the ubuntu-tweak bit... which is how i found how to fix it :D hehe than
[04:35] <nekostar> s/than/thanks
[04:35] <Cycom> z0r: I did a few days ago, but went back to radeon...
[04:35] <z0r> Cycom: just because of the flickering?
[04:35] <nekostar> wow
[04:35] <nekostar> ok
[04:35] <z0r> i haven't got it working at all yet
[04:35] <nekostar> i think this is good
[04:35] <nekostar> i'm not installing anything new for 2 months >_>
[04:35] <nekostar> shoot i'm gonna take an image of this bad boy :D
[04:36] <Cycom> z0r: yeah, because all I care about the 3d for is wobbly windows :)
[04:36]  * nekostar sighs
[04:36] <nekostar> ok well now gotta start the lappy now that i got all my settings copaceptic
[04:36] <z0r> Cycom: :) I'd be using compiz if it worked with blender as well (it doesn't in hardy)
[04:37] <lucax> nekostar, u got it working then?
[04:37] <Cycom> z0r: I think it did with radeon, but not sure.
[04:37] <nekostar> lucax yeah
[04:37] <z0r> Cycom: so did you have to downgrade x to 7.3?
[04:37] <Cycom> z0r: nope
[04:37] <Cycom> hang on brb
[04:37] <nekostar> if someone wants to donate an ati card to the cause i'll test that >_>
[04:38] <nekostar> oh hey
[04:38] <nekostar> in yall's opinion(s) what's the best app to record desktop vid?
[04:38] <nekostar> i like this setup so much i wanna record it
[04:39] <dulak> gtk-recordmydesktop
[04:39] <maco> Shakedown: neither nvidia nor ati has updated to the new Xorg, and even if you get it working, kiss suspend goodby
[04:39] <maco> *goodbye
[04:41] <maco> Shakedown: er, sorry, i'm misinformed
[04:41] <z0r> Cycom: oh yeah, have you tried using an X sink (instead of Xv) for your video?
[04:41] <crimsun> Shakedown: rather, for 8.10, both nvidia and fglrx have updated to the new X server abi, but those new drivers break resume.
[04:42] <maco> and using a version of the drivers that works with resume can't work with the new X abi
[04:42] <crimsun> correct.
[04:42] <nekostar> dulak i noticed that one tends to drop frames even recording directly.. anything else work better?
[04:42] <dulak> that one drops the least frames of all the ones I tested
[04:43] <maco> ok so i shouldve said "haven't updated an actually-works-right version of the driver to the new X" :P
[04:43] <nekostar> dulak perfect, thanx
[04:43] <FFForever> is there a blank ui version of ubuntu (one with all packages but a wm?)
[04:44] <crimsun> not one supported by Canonical
[04:44] <maco> FFForever: um, you can do gui-less with the server disk, but that's about it
[04:45] <DanaG> Mmm, even better is the situation with cards needing nvidia 96 or 71 drivers.
[04:46] <FFForever> maco but then i am stuck with all the server setup stuff right?
[04:46]  * DanaG ♥ closed-source.  Not.
[04:47] <maco> FFForever: server kernel, but you get to choose whether or not SSH server, LAMP, etc. are installed
[04:47] <FFForever> what is different from the server kernel and the main kernel?
[04:47] <DanaG> On my laptop that uses nvidia 177, resume still works.
[04:48] <DanaG> It's just the nvidia 96 one that's totally broken.
[04:48] <maco> FFForever: might need to chroot in and install the -generic kernel before rebooting though because if it's an old cpu, it won't have PAE which the server kernel assumes (because server-grade hardware has it)
[04:48] <maco> FFForever: assuming PAE means the server kernel will panic on old hardware
[04:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what benefits are there to using a 64-bit install?
[04:48] <DigitalFiz> who was it that i was talking to about openoffice3 earlier? having issues wanna get some advice
[04:48] <maco> DanaG: support for >= 4GB memory
[04:49] <DanaG> When I get my next laptop, it'll be 64-bit; current one is 32-bit CPU.
[04:49] <DanaG> Just the memory, or also other things?
[04:49] <maco> DanaG: negligible performance gains
[04:49] <FFForever> :/
[04:49] <maco> DanaG: more memory will be used because pointers are double the size with 64bit
[04:50] <shirish> hi all, I have installed localepurge and its working fine. I just want to know in how many languages has a certain application has been translated, any way to know that?
[04:50] <DanaG> I'll be getting it with exactly 4 gigs of RAM, plus either 256 or 512 megs of video RAM (I don't remember which).
[04:50] <maco> DanaG: if you have PAE, 32bit may see all 4.  if you don't, it almost certainly won't see al 4.
[04:51] <maco> you'll have about 3.2G recognized
[04:52] <shirish> another question is where or how does one know under which license is some software?
[04:52] <DanaG> Current one only has 2.5 gigs anyway.
[04:52] <DanaG> ... and right now, that one's out of commission due to decapitation -- the LCD completely died, so I just went ahead and removed the whole lid assembly just for the heck of it.
[04:53] <DanaG> Thus, I "decapitated" the laptop.  It's truly headless... just in time for Halloween.  =þ
[04:53] <DanaG> I can't quite tell whether that's funny, or lame.
[04:53] <DanaG> =þ
[04:53] <Veinor> Gedit is using 100% of my CPU right now.
[04:53] <Veinor> Doing nothing.
[04:54] <crimsun> DanaG: better memory management, generally, and more gp registers.  And faster TLB, IOMMU, and L* caches.
[04:54] <DigitalFiz> well obviously its doing something :P
[04:54] <amrik> Veinor: find the pid of gedit, and then run strace -f
[04:55] <amrik> Veinor: err strace -p
[04:55] <maco> DanaG: those result in performance gains, but in my experience...well, this laptop doesn't seem any faster than the old one. this one's 2GHz 64bit, old was 1.6GHz 32bit
[04:55] <Veinor> OK.
[04:55] <maco> don't expect it to suddenly be super-fast
[04:56] <shirish> hi all, I have installed localepurge and its working fine. I just want to know in how many languages has a certain application has been translated, any way to know that?
[04:56] <DanaG> Current one is 1.83GHz Yonah (Core Duo T2400); new one will be 2.4GHz Montevina-era (Core 2 Duo P8600).
[04:56] <Veinor> What the.
[04:56] <Veinor> This only happens when I use a certain icon set.
[04:57] <DanaG> And I'll be going from a GeForce Go 7600 to an ATI HD3650 (or rather, FireGL V5700).
[04:57] <Veinor> I ran strace -p and five lines kept showing up over and over again.
[04:57] <maco> i dont *think* it affects the graphics card
[04:58] <Veinor> ah, found the bug
[05:07] <telexicon> exiting a session on VT1 causes a switch to VT7 if Xorg is started, sometimes switching to VT1 from X switches right back to VT7 (x), whats up with this strange behavior?
[05:09] <dr_willis> I noticed that happening the other day also telexicon
[05:09] <ac13> hey, I've noticed that the graphics are laggy whenever a large part of the screen refreshes (i.e. scrolling in firefox or fullscreen videos or games). small windows are not a problem. this is a new problem that cropped up after I "updated" to 8.10 rc, there was no problem before with 8.04. anyone know why that could be?
[05:10] <dr_willis> perhaps compiz got reenabled
[05:10] <ac13> no, I don't have any graphics card
[05:10] <ac13> well I do but it's broken
[05:11] <ac13> system -> preferences -> appearance -> visual effects is set to none
[05:11] <telexicon> ac13, what card do you have?
[05:11] <DanaG> One weird thing I've had happen a few times lately:
[05:11] <DanaG> I'll log into gnome, then vt-switch to TTY1 and log in.
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: nvidia geforce 8400m gs, but it's broken
[05:12] <DanaG> Then once I log out and vt-switch back to Xorg, my keyboard will be broken.
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: I think it's broken anyways. xorg.conf says that I'm using vesa drivers, as far as I know
[05:12] <telexicon> ac13, what do you mean its broken?
[05:12] <DanaG> Probably that crappy substrate issue.
[05:12] <DanaG> M implies laptop.
[05:12] <telexicon> oh
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: typically weird lines appear on the screen, even during bios boot and stuff, and usplash
[05:12] <telexicon> like physically broken?
[05:13] <telexicon> hmm
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, run this command, glxinfo | grep direct
[05:13] <DanaG> More reason to ♥ nvidia... not.
[05:13] <ac13> telexicon: yeah, I think. can't run windows, can't even display bios correctly (though GRUB) looks right
[05:13] <ac13> direct rendering: yes
[05:13] <DanaG> If I try to do something such as ctrl-c, the X server itself will get the signal and quit.
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, you'll wanna contact your manufacturer
[05:13] <ac13> (that's the result to "glxinfo | grep direct"
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, if its still under warranty
[05:13] <ac13> no
[05:13] <ac13> but everything works perfectly
[05:14] <ac13> the problem is that everything was working more perfectly under 8.04 but after upgrade it is not anymore
[05:14] <telexicon> sounds like your graphics card is broken
[05:14] <ac13> telexicon: it is :P
[05:14] <telexicon> so the situation is deteriorating
[05:14] <ac13> telexicon: right now when I scroll in firefox or watch videos in large windows there is very noticable lag. This did not exist in 8.04. The video card was broken in both situations. any ideas?
[05:14] <telexicon> ac13, was 8.04 using the vesa driver?
[05:15] <ac13> telexicon: unfortunately, I don't know. what else could it use?
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, i mean, maybe the video card is getting worse
[05:15] <DanaG> What manufacturer?
[05:15] <ac13> telexicon: ah
[05:15] <ac13> DanaG: nvidia
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, vesa will be very slow no matter what
[05:15] <telexicon> you cant expect good performance from vesa
[05:15] <DanaG> No, I mean the laptop manufacturer.
[05:15] <ac13> dell
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, you'll wanna try either
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, the nv driver, the nvidia driver or the nouveau driver (experimental)
[05:15] <DanaG> Aah, perhaps the warranty extension for the nvidia issue will apply.
[05:15] <DanaG> Google for dell nvidia warranty.
[05:15] <ac13> DanaG: thanks
[05:16] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried nv driver but it says something about ddc routing tables not found
[05:16] <telexicon> ac13, nv 'works', nvidia driver will get you best performance
[05:17] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried it but it says there are ddc routing tables not found, then it asks me to reconfigure but I can't get further than that, i.e. not even to logon screen
[05:17] <telexicon> ac13, try this
[05:17] <telexicon> ac13, are you comfortable with the shell?
[05:17] <ac13> telexicon: I'll do my best
[05:18] <telexicon> ok
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: are the lines you see at boot straight or diagonal?
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: straight
[05:18] <telexicon> mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/bak.xorg.conf
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: are they white?
[05:18] <telexicon> restart gdm
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: they are vertical, and yellow green?
[05:18] <telexicon> and tell us what happens
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: and some other colors I think. grey on the bios boot
[05:18] <DanaG> I had the LCD in my laptop die, rather than the GPU.
[05:18] <ac13> telexicon: how to restart gdm? just type restart gdm?
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: mmmmm, always the same at boot?
[05:18] <telexicon> ac13, logout
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: they might change a bit, not quite sure
[05:18] <DanaG> It eventually gave out entirely.
[05:18] <telexicon> ac13, and it will restart gdm
[05:19] <ac13> ctrl+alt+bksp?
[05:19] <telexicon> no just logout like normal
[05:19] <ac13> oh and the dell diagnostics tool say graphics card has some memory error
[05:19] <telexicon> every time you logout it restarts X
[05:19] <ac13> see you guys after I logout
[05:19] <ac13> what do I look for?
[05:19] <dulak> ac13: I had a very similar problem with an older card, it eventually stopped working for anything better than terminal mode graphics
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, oh wait
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, it'll either work
[05:19] <telexicon> or it wont work
[05:19] <DanaG> Oddly enough, once I entirely removed the LCD and lid assembly, and used it with an external monitor... no longer could I get to the BIOS menu.
[05:19] <ac13> what will work or not work?
[05:19] <telexicon> if it doesnt work, mv /etc/X11/bak.xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:19] <esac> does anybody use vmware workstation? it seems my keys are not working correctly in intrepid and they were in hardy
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, X wont start
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, or it will
[05:19] <DanaG> I'd hit the hotkey and it'd do nothing.
[05:19] <ac13> telexicon: yes, X will start
[05:19] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried this many times
[05:19] <telexicon> with an empty config?
[05:20] <ac13> oh you want me to backup xorg.conf?
[05:20] <ac13> then start?
[05:20] <telexicon> yeah move it
[05:20] <telexicon> and start X with no config
[05:20] <ac13> okay
[05:20] <telexicon> X can auto-configure itself
[05:20] <telexicon> so lets see what it does
[05:20] <ac13> okay
[05:22] <DanaG> Video cards I've owned or used: S3 Savage (in laptop), 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 PCI, Radeon 7500, Radeon 9800 Pro, GeForce Go 7600.
[05:22] <DanaG> Oh, and this geforce4-is-really-a-2 MX in this spare laptop.
[05:23] <dulak> voodoo3 mmmmm
[05:23] <dulak> brings back memories
[05:23]  * DanaG wonders if it has non-power-of-two texture support.
[05:23]  * DanaG wonders what things would even run on it nowadays.
[05:23] <telexicon> heh
[05:24] <telexicon> i bet theres a project somewhere where people are trying to make an open implementation of glide
[05:24] <DanaG> Last time I tried, it did something odd: xorg log showed getting the real resolution from monitor EDID, and yet xorg only offered 800x600.
[05:24] <nekostar> HM
[05:25] <nekostar> someone really needs to tell the gtk-recordmydesktop ppl about multiple core encoding ~_~
[05:25] <DanaG> However, this was on a very nearly dead motherboard -- it had the odd behavior of only booting (even with PCIe nvidia card as boot device) if I also had the 3dfx card present.
[05:26] <ac13> hi, I'm back again. it didn't work
[05:26] <telexicon> didnt start at all?
[05:26] <ac13> no, I think it tried to use nv driver and failed
[05:26] <telexicon> pastebin /var/log/Xorg.log.0.old
[05:26] <ac13> said something about ddc routing table and some error nv(0) or something like htat
[05:26] <telexicon> or whichever
[05:27] <DanaG> !nouveau
[05:27] <telexicon> yeah
[05:27] <telexicon> ac13, might wanna try that
[05:27] <telexicon> although you have a newer card
[05:27] <DanaG> RAOF: heh, perhaps you should change your IRC name so that doesn't trigger a ping.... or make it case-sensitive.
[05:27] <telexicon> dunno how well it'll work
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[05:30] <ac13> here is Xorg.log.0.old: http://pastebin.com/m16697604
[05:30]  * DanaG wonders how well an HD3650 will work.
[05:30] <DanaG> I won't care whether it's open or closed source driver, as long as it works.  If I need 2D-only for a while, then fine, as long as suspend and resume works.
[05:31] <telexicon> ac13, what happens when you use the nvidia driver?
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: it gives me an error
[05:31] <telexicon> same error?
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: I can do it again and write down the error, but then X doesn't start and I restart
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: I think it's the same error eacht ime
[05:31] <DanaG> Perhaps that part of the GPU is actually dead.
[05:31] <telexicon> ok
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: something about ddc routing tables not found
[05:31] <telexicon> hold on
[05:31] <DanaG> The monitor-detection part.
[05:31] <telexicon> yeah thats possible
[05:32] <telexicon> your card definitely is broken
[05:32] <ac13> yeah, I'm pretty sure
[05:32] <ac13> but something was working better under hardy 8.04 yesterday, I just don't know what
[05:32] <telexicon> do you have framebuffer setup?
[05:33] <telexicon> (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[05:33] <telexicon> didnt framebuffer cause problems with nvidia stuff?
[05:33] <ac13> there is no framebuffer set up
[05:33] <telexicon> hm ok
[05:33] <ac13> should there be a framebuffer?
[05:33] <telexicon> no, its not by default
[05:33] <DanaG> I wonder if nvidiafb would work...
[05:33] <DanaG> Probably breaks suspend, anyway.
[05:34] <ac13> DanaG: since when did suspend work properly?
[05:34] <telexicon> do you know if nouveau can suspend/resume properly yet?
[05:35] <ripps> Well I finally got mpd and ccsm working. And I got Firefox working 3x better by enabling the Workaround plugin in ccsm. So, I'm pretty happy right now.
[05:35] <ac13> DanaG: what's nvidiafb?
[05:36] <telexicon> ac13, framebuffer for nvidia cards
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> is empathy the default IM client in 8.10?
[05:36] <telexicon> i hope not
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> me too, hate it
[05:36] <ac13> how would I try to use nvidiafb? though I think some of the video memory is fried or something anyways
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> its a usability joke
[05:36] <dr_willis> It is not the default
[05:37] <ac13> otoh, pulse was the default. and pulse broke itself on 8.10 rc upgrade as well
[05:37] <Mr_Polite> dr_willis: thanks
[05:37] <telexicon> ac13, im pretty sure at the least using nvidiafb would cause more problems
[05:37] <ac13> telexicon: okay. well it's not too big of a deal. just things get laggy and lots of cpu get used up
[05:37] <ac13> telexicon: (i.e. with music playing if I scroll in firefox the music skips. nothing like this happened in hardy but firefox scroll was also smooth)
[05:38] <telexicon> ac13, yeah, vesa is slow
[05:39] <telexicon> ac13, do you want to try nouveau?
[05:39] <DanaG> How about fbdev on top of nvidiafb?
[05:39] <telexicon> DanaG, hmm, thats an idea
[05:39] <DanaG> Might as well give nouveau a try first, though.,
[05:39] <DanaG> Can't unload nvidiafb once you load it -- you have to reboot to unload it.
[05:39] <ac13> will it work with fried video card?
[05:39] <telexicon> ac13, dunno
[05:39] <ac13> noveau isn't in package manager?
[05:39] <telexicon> thats why we try
[05:39] <telexicon> yeah it isnt
[05:40] <ac13> thanks for info on the extended warranty though. I hope there is one, because it broke like 1 month after warranty ended.
[05:40] <DanaG> Click the link to the archive in that !nouveau link.
[05:40] <telexicon> ac13, add this to your sources.list
[05:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another random reason I dislike nvidia: they don't support laptops.
[05:40] <telexicon> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/raof/ubuntu intrepid main
[05:40] <DanaG> In fact, Vista didn't even have ANY driver for my video card out of the box.
[05:40] <telexicon> DanaG, huh
[05:41] <telexicon> DanaG, surely it'd drop to vesa no?
[05:41] <dr_willis> It did on my laptop
[05:41] <esac> i thought empathy was supposed to be in intrepid instead of pidgin ?
[05:41] <DanaG> Yeah, that's what I meant.
[05:41] <telexicon> k
[05:41] <DanaG> I consider that not a real driver.
[05:41] <telexicon> heh
[05:41] <dr_willis> esac,  not that i am aware of. its not installed by default
[05:41] <ac13> actually Vista dies when I try to start my comp. that's why I switched to linux full time
[05:41] <dr_willis> esac,  its in the repos.
[05:41] <telexicon> ac13, once you add that repo
[05:41] <telexicon> ac13, install um
[05:42] <DanaG> When Vista was in beta, I had to tell it I had a desktop 7300.... because they didn't even have the _desktop_ 7600 supported.
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, you'll have to upgrade libdrm2
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, and install the nouveau driver components
[05:42] <DanaG> And I ran into this lovely bug:
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[05:42] <DanaG> *close lid*    *open lid*     *nvlddmkm.sys crashes and restarts*
[05:42] <DanaG> *close lid*    *open lid*     *nvlddmkm.sys crashes and restarts*
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, linux-nouveau-modules-KERNELVERSION
[05:42] <DanaG> They fixed it after a while.
[05:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for nouveau you need to sudo module-assistant auto-install drm-modules-source
[05:43] <telexicon> theres a bunch of little quirks in intrepid :(
[05:43] <telexicon> if i close my lid and open it, my screen stays blanked
[05:43] <dr_willis> and proberly will be for 6 months telexicon  :)
[05:43] <telexicon> i lost the ability to change the brightness of my monitor using the keys on my laptop
[05:43] <telexicon> VTs switch back and forth strangely
[05:44] <telexicon> im not even going to bother tinkering with suspend/resume
[05:44] <telexicon> and flash 10 crashes Xorg
[05:44] <dr_willis> suspend/resume finally WORKS for me under 8.10
[05:44] <ac13> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:
[05:44] <ac13>  Depends: linux-nouveau-modules  but it is not installable
[05:44] <telexicon> ac13, yeah, you have to install the other one first
[05:44] <telexicon> ac13, apt-get install drm-modules-source
[05:45] <ac13> ah, okay
[05:45] <telexicon> ac13, module-assistant auto-install drm-modules-source
[05:45] <telexicon> ac13, if you dont have module-assistant, apt-get install module-assistant
[05:45] <telexicon> DanaG, why doesnt it just use dkms?
[05:46] <DanaG> Not my repo; you'd have to ask the repo owner (don't wanna' repeat the name; it's obvious, and it's probably annoying to get pinged over and over.)
[05:46] <DanaG> s/ping/nickbeep/
[05:47] <DanaG> That term works, too.
[05:49] <ac13> telexicon: noveau is installed. now change "vesa" to "nouveau" in xorg.conf?
[05:49] <telexicon> ac13, all 3 packages?
[05:49] <telexicon> and the upgraded libdrm2?
[05:49] <telexicon> well first test
[05:49] <telexicon> ac13, modprobe nouveau
[05:49] <ac13> modprobe nouveau
[05:49] <ac13> WARNING: Error inserting drm (/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/updates/nouveau/drm.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:49] <ac13> FATAL: Error inserting nouveau (/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/updates/nouveau/nouveau.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:50] <ac13> sudo modprobe nouveau does nothing
[05:50] <Cycom> z0r: btw, yes I have, but it's slow
[05:50] <Cycom> z0r: used xsink that is instead of Xv
[05:50] <DanaG> try sudo depmod?
[05:50] <telexicon> ac13, check tail dmesg
[05:50] <ac13> ?
[05:50] <telexicon> ac13, dmesg | tail
[05:50] <Cycom> with Radeon I see no issues as long as I set AccelMethod to EXA
[05:50] <telexicon> are there messages about nouveau?
[05:51] <ac13> dmesg | tail
[05:51] <ac13> [  673.672102] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1517.676102] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 22500 nsec
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119284] Symbol init_mm is marked as UNUSED, however this module is using it.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119299] This symbol will go away in the future.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119305] Please evalute if this is the right api to use and if it really is, submit a report the linux kernel mailinglist together with submitting your code for inclusion.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.150759] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163530] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163542] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163705] [drm] Detected an NV50 generation card (0x086700a2)
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163709] [drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.11  on minor 0
[05:51] <ac13> sorry about paste
[05:51] <telexicon> ok
[05:51] <telexicon> so it loaded properly
[05:51] <telexicon> yes, change vesa to nouveau in xorg
[05:51] <telexicon> and restart
[05:51] <ac13> restart completely
[05:51] <ac13> ?
[05:51] <telexicon> logout
[05:51] <telexicon> restart X
[05:53] <esac> hi all using intel 4965 card on 802.11n network. i switched to backports per the release notes. i am using remote desktop and i am noticing it freezing for 1 second here or there. any ideas?
[05:55] <ac13> noveau doesn't work: it gives me three errors. (1) No known BIOS signature found. (2) 1393: no valid modes. (3) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[05:56] <telexicon> yeah
[05:56] <telexicon> your card is borked
[05:56] <ac13> okay
[05:56] <telexicon> it probably couldnt read the DDC stuff either
[05:56] <dli> ac13, nouveau still under heavy development :(
[05:56] <telexicon> thats for auto-configuring monitor resolutions modes
[05:56] <ac13> dli: it's probably my card
[05:56] <Flynsarmy> There were alot of issues with pulseaudio in hardy. have they been fixed in ibex?
[05:56] <telexicon> dli, his card doesnt work with nv or nvidia either
[05:56] <ac13> I was just wondering how the video worked better in Hardy than INtrepid
[05:56] <dli> ac13, then, try to bug nouveau team, maybe, they can help you debug
[05:57] <ac13> dli: nah, I'm pretty sure my video card is dead
[05:57] <ac13> dli: thanks though
[05:57] <ac13> in hardy no lag in firefox scroll or fullscreen video, now in intrepid major lag
[05:57] <ac13> but it's no big deal if you can't fix it. I can live without it
[05:58] <Flynsarmy> ac13: lag in ff scroll, is that referring to when something is fading in or out at the same?
[05:59] <ac13> Flynsarmy: no there is lag whenever anything refreshes a large part of the screen, i.e. scrolling in firefox, dragging windows around, fullscreen videos/games, etc.
[05:59] <Flynsarmy> I read about hardware acceleration for video in intrepid for drivers other than nvidia. do the open source nvidia ones have it?
[06:00] <telexicon> well thats lolful
[06:02] <ac13> how would I set up a framebuffer (and what good does that do?)
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> been through a couple kernel revisions since my last restart, i should probably do that
[06:04] <DanaG> nv can't even do video playback properly... it inverts SOME of the color channels.
[06:05] <DanaG> But only two of the three.
[06:05] <DanaG> =þ
[06:05] <dli> DanaG, nv never works on video for some cards, best to wait for nouveau, or buy an old ati card
[06:05] <DanaG> ac13: you'd have to switch xorg.conf to use fbdev driver, and then sudo modprobe nvidiafb
[06:05] <DanaG> This is a spare laptop, so it's not my main machine.
[06:05] <nekostar> wow
[06:06] <nekostar> quit hating the nvidia
[06:06] <ac13> DanaG: fbdev driver?
[06:06] <DanaG> NV17 in a laptop == can't replace it.
[06:06] <DanaG> Newer laptop with Go 7600 has an entirely nonfunctional (and now in fact removed!) LCD.
[06:06] <dli> DanaG, see, have to accept no matter how life treats you
[06:06] <DanaG> The biggest gripe for me with nv, though, is nonworking resume from suspend.
[06:07] <DanaG> Well, at least I can joke about how I "decapitated" the other laptop.  Now it's truly headless.... just in time for Halloween.  Muhahah.
[06:07] <crimsun> nv or nvidia?  the former works for me; the latter results in nasty kernel stomping and freezes.
[06:07] <DanaG> nv.
[06:07] <crimsun> hmm, are you using any hal-info quirks?
[06:07] <DanaG> Nope.
[06:07] <crimsun> you probably need the s3 and vbemode ones.
[06:07] <DanaG> s3_bios, or s3_mode?
[06:08] <crimsun> perhaps both
[06:08] <DanaG> I'll have to boot without nvidiafb first.
[06:08] <DanaG> I also tried the nv_bios module, but it didn't work.
[06:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, remember that broken acpi_fakekey?
[06:09] <DanaG> I thought of a workaround for the acpi-support scripts:
[06:10] <DanaG> Before calling that each time... first do a setkeycodes e099 $WHATEVER
[06:10] <DanaG> So it registers that one keycode.
[06:13] <Cycom> whoa, what the heck?
[06:13] <Cycom> my terminal doesn't have any lower case p's in the menu items...
[06:14] <DanaG> Huh?
[06:14] <Cycom> I have Hel, Oen, Oen Ta b, Profiles, Inut Methods....
[06:14] <DanaG> =þ
[06:14] <DanaG> That's funn-ay.
[06:14] <Cycom> I KNOW!
[06:14] <Cycom> but weird as heck
[06:14] <Cycom> this is a nearly-fresh install
[06:14] <Cycom> and like typing a p in the terminal works fine
[06:14] <Cycom> it's just in the menus
[06:18] <prometheanfire>  you think ati's drivers are better then nvidia's nowadays?
[06:18] <Cycom> I think the Open Source ATI drivers are pretty decent
[06:18] <Cycom> it's what I'm using.
[06:18] <prometheanfire> newer card?
[06:19] <Cycom> Mobility X1400
[06:19] <Cycom> fglrx has a weird video output bug for me, and nvidia gives me screwey window borders with certain themes
[06:19] <prometheanfire> I might return my 9800 and get a couple 3xxx series cards
[06:20] <Cycom> meh. I think with newer cards you're pretty hosed either way
[06:20] <prometheanfire> awesome
[06:20] <Cycom> don't quote me on that though :)
[06:20] <prometheanfire> I keep on getting a blank screen when x tries to load
[06:21]  * DanaG is just before 6th week of a 10-week + finals-week quarter....
[06:21] <DanaG> and at the end, I'll get myself a new laptop, with an HD3650 (or rather, FireGL V5700).
[06:22] <DanaG> Hopefully, drivers for it will be in a good state by then.  I don't care whether it's the open- or closed-source driver, since what matters to me is that I give my money to a company that _supports_ open-source.
[06:23] <dr_willis> hmm.. that sort of kicks out nvidia and ati dont it.. :)
[06:23] <prometheanfire> amd/ati seems to be moving that way more then nvidia
[06:23] <dr_willis> Theres going to have to be a  lot of work done by ati befor I go back to them.
[06:24] <Cycom> I actually have both an NVidia and an ATI video card for my laptop
[06:24] <Cycom> I'm using the ATI because it works
[06:24] <dli> xf86-video-ati is good enough for me
[06:24] <Cycom> though only with the open-source driver, oddly
[06:24] <Cycom> like 32, everything
[06:24] <Cycom> er... 3d
[06:25] <dr_willis> a laptop with a removeable card?  - thats somthing you keep 'hearing' about. but never seen one.
[06:25] <Cycom> I don't think 3d works in it with VMWare yet, but...
[06:25] <Cycom> dr_willis: removable as in 'tear the laptop down and replace it'
[06:25] <dr_willis> Cycom,  :)
[06:25] <Cycom> dr_willis: and it's only because they offered both as an option in this model, Inspiron E1505
[06:25] <dr_willis> removeable like a human heart is removeable eh?
[06:26] <Cycom> well, put it this way, having done it 4 or 5 times now, I've got it down to about 30 minutes from start to finish.
[06:26] <Cycom> first time was about an hour
[06:26] <dr_willis> and each time you just have a 'few' screws left over. :)
[06:26] <Cycom> you have to remove the keyboard, display, palmrest, etc.
[06:26] <Cycom> nah, I always keep my screws sorted with an egg carton or something
[06:27] <Cycom> the only screw that IS missing is a hard drive screw that fell out long before I actually took the laptop apart.
[06:27] <Cycom> I just haven't bothered to replace it (one is enough ;) )
[06:29] <nekostar> o $h1t!
[06:29] <z0r> Cycom: ooh, we have the same card. That's good to know. I still haven't got mine working with fglrx in intrepid. i'm about to try uninstalling anything to do with it and starting again
[06:29] <nekostar> my interwebs got upgraded!
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: forget fglrx unless you need external display
[06:30] <nekostar> i'm 80% faster both up and down ;)
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: just use radeon.
[06:30] <z0r> Cycom: does that do 3D?
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: wobbly windows and all :)
[06:30] <z0r> !
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: I dunno about gaming performance, but I can't imagine it's good...
[06:31] <z0r> Cycom: i don't need it for games just now. Just blender
[06:31] <wgrant> Cycom: Won't radeon do external monitors too?
[06:31] <Cycom> z0r: but compiz runs like a dream.  Just remember to add a line to your xorg.conf as follows: under the Section "Device"  with the identifier "Configured Video Device" do this:
[06:31] <Cycom> Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[06:32] <wgrant> That should be the default now...
[06:32] <Cycom> oh, it wasn't a week ago.
[06:32] <Cycom> maybe two.
[06:32] <Cycom> also, external monitor output was borked then too.
[06:32] <Cycom> I'll have to test it again :)
[06:33] <wgrant> Hm, actually, radeon might be stuck on XAA.
[06:33] <wgrant> I forget.
[06:34] <Cycom> It was broken before.
[06:35] <Cycom> then again, less than a week ago my sound was working, then broken, then fixed.
[06:35]  * Cycom shakes head
[06:35] <Cycom> development is moving at a furious pace.
[06:40] <philsf> speaking of external monitor, will intrepid support for two monitors be better thn hardy?
[06:40]  * z0r crosses fingers
[06:41] <Cycom> philsf: dunno
[06:41] <philsf> namely, will it support extended desktop, instead of just cloning screens?
[06:42] <philsf> I didn't try, but I heard in gutsy or feisty that happened, but in hardy the method changed (to, or from xrand, whatever)
[06:43] <Cycom> I think it supports extended desktop, not sure
[06:43] <Cycom> I have to try it on my X1400 once I'm done on the toilet :)
[06:43] <Cycom> laptops are awesome by the way.
[06:44] <dr_willis> Cycom,  i got my bathroom wired with gigibit. :)
[06:44] <Cycom> dr_willis: you must take some long poos.
[06:44] <wgrant> Hardy and Intrepid have excellent multi-monitor support.
[06:44] <wgrant> Unless you're using some crap nvidia blob.
[06:45] <dli> dr_willis, must be google TiSP project
[06:46] <DanaG> Heh, nvidia and ATI on Linux is now like a 180° turn from how it was before.
[06:46] <DanaG> Well, maybe not yet 180.
[06:46] <philsf> wgrant: I have intel in my laptop, and it can't extend desktop in hardy
[06:46] <wgrant> philsf: "can't"
[06:46] <dli> DanaG, nvidia was never nice with free software
[06:47] <philsf> wgrant: why is that?
[06:47] <DanaG> Yeah, but before ATI opened everything, they were supposedly worse.
[06:47] <dli> philsf, I have intel i945, extended desktop works with xserver-1.5
[06:47] <wgrant> philsf: I don't know. Your description of the problem is severely limited.
[06:47] <DanaG> I haven't ATI since I tried suse 9.2 with my 9800 pro -- and that was like 5 years ago.
[06:47] <dli> DanaG, worse ATI doesn't make nvidia good
[06:47] <DanaG> Right.
[06:48] <philsf> wgrant: from what I heard, it was not possible. this is the first time I hear otherwise
[06:48] <DanaG> And now ATI is better than nvidia, in my opinion -- at least, on principle, at the very least.
[06:48] <DanaG> I shall vote with my wallet.
[06:48] <dli> DanaG, nvidia's nv driver is obscured! that's how friendly
[06:48] <dr_willis> I will wait and see what happens when i go to get my next card.... :)
[06:48] <wgrant> philsf: Plug in monitor. System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. Select monitor. Position monitor. Select resolution. Apply.
[06:48] <dr_willis> which will be proberly a year+ from now.
[06:48] <DanaG> obfuscated?
[06:49] <dli> dr_willis, ati is good enough for me, intel is still worry free
[06:49] <DanaG> My next laptop will be in like around 1 month.
[06:49] <philsf> wgrant: it only offers to clone the screen
[06:49] <dli> DanaG, yes, that's the word, english is not my language
[06:49] <Cycom> I noticed something bizzare with the nvidia driver
[06:49] <dr_willis> dli,  i still see a large # of people very week with intel issues.
[06:49] <Cycom> dli: you mean binary blob?
[06:49] <dr_willis> ALL the video card makers need to be slapped around a bit.
[06:49] <Cycom> dli: or closed-source?
[06:49] <dli> Cycom, no, the open source drivers
[06:49] <wgrant> philsf: Which video card are you using? Does it see both monitors?
[06:50] <philsf> wgrant: it works cloning, allright, it just doesn't offer to extend
[06:50] <philsf> dli: any link on how to do that?
[06:50] <wgrant> philsf: You can't set a resolution?
[06:50] <dli> philsf, to do extended desktop on intel card?
[06:51] <wgrant> Unchecking cloning should allow you to set the res separately...
[06:51] <dli> philsf, I did it manually with xrandr
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: I can, to a limited set, yes
[06:51] <philsf> dli: yes
[06:51] <wgrant> "limited set"?
[06:51] <dli> philsf, you can try "screen resolution" in preferences
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: I'll try again, but it didn't when I tried
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: only a few resolution options are present in the list
[06:51] <wgrant> philsf: Perhaps try Intrepid.
[06:51] <dli> philsf, first, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make sure you have driver "intel", and you have Virtual 2048 2048
[06:51] <wgrant> We now set Virtual, for example.
[06:52] <dli> philsf, and you have ubuntu 8.10 for xserver-1.5
[06:52] <wgrant> 2048x2048 is often not going to be big enough.
[06:52] <wgrant> dli: We set Virtual automatically now.
[06:52] <wgrant> No need to do it manually in Intrepid.
[06:53] <dli> wgrant, understand, that's why I have to "chattr +i /etc/X11/xorg.conf", when the "auto" doesn't work, ubuntu is nasty
[06:53] <wgrant> You could also file a bug.
[06:53] <wgrant> So we can fix it, you know?
[06:53] <wgrant> To stop these stupid workarounds?
[06:53] <wgrant> What is the problem that it supposedly causes?
[06:53] <dli> wgrant, yes, unix 101, use whatever works
[06:54] <philsf> wgrant: there, uncheck "clone", and the monitor still appears cloned
[06:54] <wgrant> philsf: Even after you apply?
[06:54] <philsf> yes
[06:54] <wgrant> philsf: Which release?
[06:54] <philsf> haryd
[06:54] <philsf> hardy
[06:54] <wgrant> I suggest trying Intrepid.
[06:54] <wgrant> Particularly given that we're superfrozen.
[06:54] <dli> philsf, what's your card? too old or too new
[06:55] <Tom_Davis> no diddlin the code till the 30th?!
[06:55] <philsf> dli: I believe it's a i945
[06:55] <dli> philsf, or, you have enough shared RAM?
[06:55] <philsf> dli: how can I tell that?
[06:55] <z0r> Cycom: using the radeon driver causes X to segfault for me. http://paste.ubuntu.com/62754/ (still looking in to it)
[06:55] <dli> philsf, usually, just "free -m" is good enough, physical ram - available system ram
[06:57] <philsf> wgrant: when I tried, in the beginning of the hardy release cycle, I was subscribed in the ubuntu-users list, and it was unanimous that it wasn't possible. Given the ammount of people that *knew* that in the list, I'm surprised this is not *known*
[06:57] <philsf> dli: shared = 0 :)
[06:57] <dli> philsf, how come? numbers?
[06:58] <philsf> Mem:          1001        978         22          0         88        205
[06:58] <dli> philsf, and you have 1GB physical?
[06:58] <philsf> yup
[06:59] <philsf> I don't know how much of the ram is reserved for the video card
[06:59] <dli> philsf, 1024 - 1001= 23MB. looks like you have 16MB vRAM now
[06:59] <dli> philsf, reboot, correct that in bios
[06:59] <philsf> when I asked, I thought that this is what you were talking about
[07:00] <philsf> dli: how much should I use, assuming it's available?
[07:00] <wgrant> philsf: It works fine for me on an i915.
[07:00] <dli> philsf, for testing, try largest, like 128MB
[07:01] <philsf> ok, brb
[07:03] <DanaG> wtf... "adjust date and time" from right-click menu of clock.... does not offer NTP!
[07:03] <dr_willis> im just happy its not defaulted to  24 hr format.
[07:03] <dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <ac13> okay things are looking really really bad right now
[07:04] <ac13> I can't boot into X because I can't type in the login screen, and I can't access the internet at all in console
[07:04] <pen> does anyone here know mozplugger? and does anyone know how to make it support vlc?
[07:04] <DanaG> Back to VESA?
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: yes
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: but now nothing works at all
[07:05] <bazhang> pen in hardy or ibex
[07:05] <DanaG> Hmm, odd that you can't type.
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: I can type in tty1 but not in the logon window
[07:05] <wolfie2x> hello need some help on a bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288579
[07:05] <DanaG> Hmm, try ctrl-alt-backspace?
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: doesn't work
[07:05] <DanaG> How about alt-sysrq-k to kill xorg (use when at login screen).
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: I also tried using "FBDev" first before "vesa", I hope that wouldn't screw anything up
[07:05] <wolfie2x> any ideas why this might be happening?
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: haven't tried that, but my comp is in another room right now. um, when I restart nothing works
[07:06] <DanaG> Handy way to browse web: links2
[07:06] <DanaG> While in console.
[07:06] <pen> bazhang: hey, ibex
[07:06] <DanaG> Bonus points for using framebuffer + "links2 -g"
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: I can't access internet. ping google.com doesn't work
[07:06] <dli> DanaG, quite often, I got X blocking sysrq magic keys
[07:06] <DanaG> Wired, or wireless?
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: wired. everything is screwed up
[07:06] <pen> bazhang: don't know you look into this channel too :P
[07:06] <DanaG> hmm, you can manually sudo dhclient eth0
[07:06] <bazhang> pen if it is not in ubuntuforums then it likely wont work; you can try with google a bit more if you wish
[07:07] <ac13> I will go try that
[07:07] <elmargol> where do I find delted packages? (deleted from the repository)
[07:07]  * DanaG has to go to bed soon.
[07:07] <DanaG> Sun Oct 26 00:07:15 PDT 2008
[07:07] <DanaG> yeah.
[07:07] <ac13> it's not 7:15 pd
[07:07] <ac13> it's 12:07 pdt
[07:08] <ac13> oh right
[07:08] <dr_willis> ac13,  does ping  64.233.187.99   work? If so its a dns issue.. if not - its a gateway, or other issue.
[07:08] <ac13> dr_willis: I will try when I get to my comp. it's 3 floors up
[07:09] <dr_willis> ac13,  :) cant ssh in?
[07:09] <ac13> ah, let me try that
[07:10] <dr_willis> dependign onyour setup, if you have done a frugal install or other install.. you may be using some of your ram with these downloads.
[07:10] <dr_willis> oops warong channel again.. :)
[07:10] <dr_willis> silly me
[07:10] <ac13> dr_willis: actually my comp doesn't respond to ping
[07:10]  * dr_willis hangs in #puppylinux
[07:11] <dr_willis> ac13,  well pings can be blocked. and still allow ssh.
[07:11] <ac13> I dont think ssh works
[07:13] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: do u know a simple way to disable a particular key (my Fn+Brightness up/down keys are freezing my desktop)
[07:13] <ac13> DanaG: sudo dhclient eth0 doesn't work
[07:13] <ac13> dr_willis: I can't ping my own ip address because it can't connect to network
[07:13] <dr_willis> wolfie2x,  not really.
[07:14] <dr_willis> ac13,  this is wired or wireless network?
[07:14] <philsf> dli: I think my BIOS doesn't offer to configure this
[07:14] <ac13> dr_willis: wired
[07:14] <dr_willis> ac13,  so the wired box cant ping any other local machines, or router eh?
[07:14] <ac13> I dont' have any other ips
[07:14] <ac13> university network
[07:15] <dr_willis> was this a upgrade? or clean install?
[07:15] <ac13> it was working before, then I did some things with xorg.conf to try using different video drivers, and it broke
[07:15] <ac13> but reverting back to the old xorg.conf doesn't work
[07:15] <dr_willis> xorg.conf shouldent affect networking at all.
[07:15] <ac13> yes. so something is seriously wrong
[07:16] <ac13> would modprobe mess anything up? because I got advised to use that to install nouveax drivers
[07:16] <dr_willis> No idea what nouveax is..
[07:16] <dli> philsf, are you sure?
[07:16] <ac13> dr_willis: open source nvidia driver
[07:16] <ac13> dr_willis: also libdrm or something like that, but that was a dependency. telexicon gave me the advice
[07:16] <dr_willis> is the network card using nvidia stuff also? or some other chipset?
[07:16] <dli> philsf, it's very unusual for an i945 machine with vRAM limited to 16MB
[07:17] <ac13> dr_willis: nvidia is only the graphics card, I believe it is intel chipset. (pm965???)
[07:17] <pen> nvidia works fine with me
[07:17] <pen> i'm glad
[07:18] <dr_willis> try to reconfigure the networking using the network managerperhaps, check dmesg for any output/messages about that card, test with a live cd - to be SURE its  works with a live cd.. and not some hardware/dog ate the cable issue...
[07:18] <philsf> dli: no. the thing is my F1 key is dead, and that's the one needed to go into the BIOS by default. Luckilly this is not the only way to enter the BIOS - in the boot menu there's also an option. What I'm not sure, is if they are the same thing
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: it is also weird that I can't type in the login window
[07:18] <philsf> I believe they are, but to be sure I need to check in my sister's laptop, which is approx the same model
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: keyboard within console works, but I can't type anything but ctrl+c on login window into ubuntu
[07:18] <dli> philsf, try one external keyboard:)
[07:18] <dr_willis> ac13,  someone else the other day in here,, had THAT issue as well..
[07:18] <dr_willis> or was it you? :)
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: it was me 10 minutes ago
[07:18] <dr_willis> this was last night..
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: otherwise it wasn't me
[07:19] <ac13> dr_willis: no, that definitely wasn't me
[07:19] <philsf> dli: it crossed my mind, bu I don't have a USB keyboard available, unfortunately :)
[07:19] <Hoover_4000> hi
[07:19] <Hoover_4000> hello
[07:19] <philsf> dli: but I'll try tomorrow with my sister's one, thanks for the advice
[07:20] <ac13> dr_willis: did whoever else have the problem fix it?
[07:20] <Hoover_4000> i need some help
[07:20] <dr_willis> ac13,  not that i am aware of..
[07:20] <ac13> dr_willis: seriously? damn
[07:20] <bazhang> !bluetooth
[07:20] <Hoover_4000> anyone manage to get bluetooth working
[07:20] <z0r> Cycom: the radeon driver is working for me now, and it's very smooth! Thanks heaps :) It turns out my problem was it was still trying to load the fglrx version of libgl.so. After removing all the fglrx packages, it works fine
[07:20] <dli> philsf, I think it would work :)
[07:20] <ac13> Hoover_4000: install bluez_compat then use hidd?
[07:20] <ac13> Hoover_4000: that's worked for me at least
[07:20] <telexicon> ac13, whats going on?
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: my computer is dying very very fast. well I can't type in logon window anymore, and network doesn't work
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: the logon window displays fine though
[07:21] <telexicon> ac13, using vesa?
[07:21] <telexicon> ac13, lsmod | grep nouveau
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: yeah
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: I can't do that right now, I'm 3 floors down from my comp. I'll go check though
[07:22] <ac13> telexicon: anything else I should check?
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, ok hold on
[07:22] <Cycom> z0r: heh, no problem dude. glad you got it working :)
[07:22] <telexicon> lets mostly undo what we've done
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, echo "nouveau" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, add nouveau to the module blacklist, reboot your computer
[07:22] <Hoover_4000> my wireless keyboard and mouse use bluetooth and am tyiping on it right now, how come ubuntu doesnt detect the bluetooth stack
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, also
[07:22] <Cycom> z0r: one caveat though, I just tried using a second monitor, and I've had no less than three different outcomes, all of them bad, each time I tried.  two of three required rebooting
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, networking in 8.10 is handled by network manager
[07:23] <telexicon> ac13, which tends to be initiated by a gnome-login, at least it is on my laptop
[07:23] <Hoover_4000> anyone willing to help me
[07:23] <ac13> Hoover_4000: have you tried using hidd --connect? you can find hidd again in bluez-compat, I think
[07:23] <ac13> telexicon: I'll go up and try those things
[07:23] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: what do you mean doesn't detect the bluetooth stack?
[07:24] <telexicon> ac13, k
[07:24] <z0r> Cycom: what did you change between each attempt? Just the driver?
[07:24] <Hoover_4000> so what is bluez-compact
[07:24] <Cycom> I was able to connect to my wireless mighty mouse ok...
[07:24] <bazhang> !info bluez-compat
[07:24] <Cycom> z0r: no, just the display setup. different refresh rates, etc.
[07:24] <z0r> ah yep
[07:25] <z0r> Cycom: thanks for the warning
[07:25] <Cycom> z0r: in most cases, the result was a black screen that no amount of cajoling could get back to displaying X, or even a terminal
[07:25] <Hoover_4000> well i cant send files or receive files like in windows vista
[07:25] <Cycom> z0r: np.
[07:26] <Hoover_4000> plus none of the phones in the house can detect if there is a bluetooth device around
[07:26] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: have you set your bluetooth card as Temporary or Always visible?
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> what do u mean
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> i cant basically do anything
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> bluetooth is like dead
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> maybe explain better or something
[07:27] <Cycom> right click on the bluetooth icon, click preferences, and see what the Visibility setting is set for
[07:28] <Hoover_4000> always display
[07:28] <Cycom> always display isn't a setting...
[07:29] <Hoover_4000> ok under prefs there is only one tab that is general
[07:29] <Cycom> aha, that explains it
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> still trying to figure out how to get the new networkmanager to actually keep my static settings
[07:29] <Cycom> what model of bluetooth adapter do you have?
[07:29] <Hoover_4000> MS BLUETOOTH STACK
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: nope, no luck with that. put "blacklist nouveau" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, then reboot. now even bigger problem, "gave up waiting for root device. alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<long string> does not exist.
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> would think if i set it that way it would keep it, but nooo, that would be way too easy.  instead, i have to switch from dynamic to static every time i need to restart, which is a pain in the ***
[07:30] <Hoover_4000> USES WIDCOMM DRIVERS OR VISTA DRIVERS IN MY VISTA COMPUTER
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> !CAPS
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, ok, um
[07:30] <ac13> Hoover_4000: have you tried using hidd?
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, :S
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, reinstall
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: D:
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: damn it
[07:30] <Hoover_4000> sorry
[07:30] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: let me rephrase that: is it a built in adapter, like in a laptop, or a usb one, like in a desktop
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: how the hell.....
[07:31] <telexicon> ac13, blacklist wouldnt've done that
[07:31] <telexicon> ac13, something else is wrong
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: uh oh
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> enabled accidentally
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> usb
[07:31] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: ok, type in a terminal: lsusb
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: that's the only solution? damn, this is getting to be a horrid two days of using intrepid
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:31] <Cycom> does it mention a bluetooth adapter?
[07:32] <pen> what is your favorite embedded media player in firefox?
[07:32] <Hoover_4000> no
[07:32] <ac13> pen: I find that they all suck (totem, mplayer, vlc)
[07:32] <pen> none of them really works, totem, vlc, mozplugger, ...
[07:32] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: pastebin the output of lsusb
[07:32] <DanaG> Bluetooth is way broken in Intrepid.
[07:32] <DanaG> I'm surprised it's being released like this.
[07:32] <Cycom> DanaG: seems to be working fine for me.
[07:32] <ac13> DanaG: I found that I had to reenable hidd
[07:32] <pen> ac13: I don't understand why no one works on this problem before?
[07:33] <Hoover_4000> it shows my intelli mouse and webcam and other things named microsoft
[07:33] <Cycom> DanaG: I mean, my mighty mouse was easily detected and worked with a passkey, etc.
[07:33] <pen> ac13: the concept of mozplugger is good, but the program itself is shit
[07:33] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: like I said, pastebin it. I need to see all the stuff in there to help diagnose.
[07:33] <ac13> Cycom: my logitech mouse was detected once and then never ever got detected again until I started using hidd again
[07:33] <ac13> pen: I don't know what mozplugger is :P
[07:33] <DanaG> There's no way to make a serial (rfcomm) connection.
[07:33] <Cycom> ac13: *shrug* I dunno.
[07:33] <pen> ac13: it's in the repo, search for it
[07:34] <ac13> pen: I can't. my linux install is borked, and my windows install can't boot
[07:34] <ac13> !mozplugger
[07:34] <Hoover_4000> Cycom
[07:34] <Hoover_4000> is there anything else to do
[07:34] <ac13> !info mozpluger
[07:34] <pen> ac13: then where are you?
[07:34] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: paste. the output. of lsusb. into. pastebin.
[07:34] <ac13> pen: public computer
[07:34] <pen> ac13: btw, two g
[07:34] <ac13> !info mozplugger
[07:35] <Cycom> !pastebin
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> where is the paste bin
[07:35] <pen> ac13: got it?
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> am sorry am more used to windows
[07:35] <ac13> pen: yeah. but I have bigger issues to worry about ;)
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> but am trying ubuntu
[07:35] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: did you read the line from ubottu?
[07:36] <ac13> Hoover_4000: sadly, bluetooth has never been a strong point of ubuntu.
[07:36] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:36] <Cycom> ac13: from what he said, it may be his adapter not being detected at all
[07:36] <Cycom> ac13: we shall see.
[07:36] <ac13> Cycom: oh. I didn't know that. I've just always have had problems with bluetooth myself
[07:36] <dr_willis> Ive had so many issues with bluetooth under windows... i have basicially given up on it.
[07:37] <Daisuke-Ido> given up on bluetooth or windows?
[07:37] <Cycom> I dunno.  My adapter has always worked great under linux and windows.
[07:37] <Hoover_4000> my bluetooth adapter works like a charm in windows
[07:37] <Cycom> Dell Wireless 355.
[07:37] <ac13> it had better if it was made by microsoft
[07:37] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: so did you paste the output of lsusb, et all, into pastebin?
[07:38] <ac13> so for my problem, is reinstall the only solution. (on boot it says "gave up waiting for root device" alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long string/ does not exist" and says stuff about root= and other things
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:0095 Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Explorer 4.0 (IntelliPoint)
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 045e:0714 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <Cycom> *sigh*
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 045e:0717 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0707 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <dr_willis> I have several MS devices with no support under vista any more. :)
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-3000.
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> thats what i got after lsusb
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> jesus man, learn pastebin already >_<
[07:38] <Mr_Polite> !paste
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: I said like 5 times to use pastebin.
[07:39] <dulak> I had to tell him how to /join a couple times for him to get in here
[07:39] <Hoover_4000> ok i didnt know as i said am new to ubuntu
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: this isn't about being new to ubuntu. Just read stuff when we say to.
[07:39] <Mr_Polite> Hoover_4000: so why are you using an RC?
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: I asked if you read the line from ubottu, and you just plowed on.
[07:39] <Hoover_4000> but how am i supposed to know where pastebin is?
[07:39] <Cycom> !pastebin
[07:40] <dr_willis> or learn to use the pastebinit command
[07:40] <ac13> Hoover_4000: they did that about 3 times
[07:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:40] <dr_willis> somelongcommand | pastebinit
[07:41] <dulak> omg when were you gonna share this amazing command with the rest of us?
[07:41] <dr_willis> Its been around for  the last release.. and perhaps befor that
[07:41] <dr_willis> :)
[07:41] <dr_willis> so its over a year old
[07:42] <dulak> first I heard of it, I been using gkedit and copy/paste
[07:42] <dulak> err gedit even
[07:42] <wolfie2x> i'm trying pastebin.. excuse me if the channel floods
[07:42] <wolfie2x> wolfie:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Reading package lists... Done
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Building dependency tree
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Reading state information... Done
[07:42] <wolfie2x> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[07:42] <wolfie2x>   pastebinit
[07:42] <wolfie2x> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Need to get 9390B of archives.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> After this operation, 90.1kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[07:43] <Cycom> XD
[07:43] <wolfie2x>   pastebinit
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main pastebinit 0.11~bzr46-1~fta1 [9390B]
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Fetched 9390B in 2s (3395B/s)
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Selecting previously deselected package pastebinit.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> (Reading database ... 167230 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Unpacking pastebinit (from .../pastebinit_0.11~bzr46-1~fta1_all.deb) ...
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Setting up pastebinit (0.11~bzr46-1~fta1) ... | pastebin
[07:43] <wolfie2x> oops
[07:43]  * Cycom shakes his head
[07:43] <Cycom> what did you do, /exec -o?
[07:43] <Hoover_4000> WTF
[07:43] <Cycom> why would you ever install something from your IRC client?
[07:43] <DanaG> omglolwut?
[07:44] <wolfie2x> I'm trying the pastebin thing
[07:44] <dulak> I tried the pastebin thing and it didn't spam irc
[07:44] <dulak> you did it wrong
[07:44] <Hoover_4000> i already installed pastebin now how do i use it
[07:44] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: a little googling seems to reveal that you don't really have a normal bluetooth adapter.  It's this funky thing that has a bluetooth adapter but shows up as an HID mouse or something.
[07:45] <DanaG> You're Doing It Wrong.
[07:45] <DanaG> =þ
[07:45] <DanaG> About pastebinit.
[07:45] <wolfie2x> oks hw is it done?
[07:45] <DanaG> Here's how it's supposed to work:
[07:45] <DanaG> pastebinit some_file
[07:45] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: basically, I have no idea how to get it working, but you might want to look here: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Bluetooth-Transceiver-ftopict417556.html
[07:45] <DanaG> or: some_command | pastebinit -
[07:45] <Hoover_4000> why are you saying its not normal
[07:45] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: because most bluetooth adapters don't show up as a human interface device
[07:45] <wolfie2x> <paste my long output in the input box> | pastebinit
[07:46] <wolfie2x> trying again
[07:46] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: and this one has a bajillion settings in windows supposedly, along with special software
[07:46] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:46] <DanaG> It's a command line app.
[07:46] <DanaG> You feed it a file, or pipe stuff into it.
[07:46] <Hoover_4000> no that is because i have my keyboard and mouse hooked up
[07:46] <Hoover_4000> i have the wireless entertainment desktop 7000 from MS
[07:46] <DanaG> !wrong is You're Doing It Wrong.
[07:47] <wolfie2x> DanaG: how can it be seen it here if i run it on my terminal ??
[07:47] <DanaG> You paste the link it pops out for you.
[07:47] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: yes, I know. I looked up the device IDs from the lsusb output you flooded the channel with.
[07:47] <wolfie2x> ahhh
[07:47] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: remember that link I pasted and told you to read not three minutes ago?
[07:47] <wolfie2x> trying again
[07:47] <z0r> Hoover_4000: you don't need to install pastebinit. Just go here, paste your text there, then paste the URL here
[07:47] <DanaG> Yes, capitalized on the You're Doing It Wrong. =þ
[07:47] <elmargol> I try to build digikam-0.10.0-beta4 from source. somehow libkdcraw is not found :( the package is installed :(
[07:47] <z0r> Hoover_4000: where "here" is http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ;)
[07:48] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: the one that talks about your specific device, and how you need to change a setting on the windows side to get it working?
[07:48] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:48] <z0r> Hoover_4000: sorry, that sentence was nonsense
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62768/
[07:49] <wolfie2x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62767/
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> thats the url
[07:49] <z0r> that's it :)
[07:49] <DanaG> dana@toshOLDba:~/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop$ cd Desktop
[07:49] <DanaG> dana@toshOLDba:~$
[07:49] <DanaG> Gotta' love recursive symlinks.
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> stop spamming
[07:49] <dulak> lol @ top40.pls
[07:50] <wolfie2x> DanaG: ah that worked.. now why did someone tell to do  "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[07:50] <DanaG> They were telling you to install the package, that's all.
[07:50] <z0r> wolfie2x: it's just a novelty. never mind
[07:50] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: you flooded the channel with like 20 lines of lsusb after we told you about pastebin.  I don't really think his one line is even close to spamming.
[07:50] <DanaG> Really, people should just say "install the package pastebinit"
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> what link did u give me
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> i dont recall it
[07:51] <adithya> hi all
[07:51] <dr_willis> most irc clients have scroll bars to show the channel history :)
[07:51] <wolfie2x> DanaG: sorry for bing so dumb.. but I went to a web page, pasted my output and pasted that link.. why do i have to install pstebinint or something for it??
[07:52] <DanaG> It just makes it easier to do automatically.
[07:52] <z0r> wolfie2x: you don't need to install it. You can if you like, but it's a more advanced method. It allows you to paste it there without your mouse
[07:52] <wolfie2x> ok so i still didn't get the *automatic* way..
[07:53] <DanaG> And if you're on a console, you may need to be able to type (into console irc app such as finch) the URL into the channel, since you can't copy and paste.
[07:53] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit <----that returns a url
[07:53] <z0r> Hoover_4000: did you find the link?
[07:53] <bazhang> Hoover_4000, paste.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <wolfie2x> bazhang: trying it
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> ya
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> i already did that and i gave you the link
[07:54] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: scroll up.
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:54] <z0r> Hoover_4000: just out of interest, if you're new to linux why are you using intrepid?
[07:54] <elmargol> noone :(
[07:54] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: see the part where I put the link of help.lockergnome.com/ etc. etc. ?
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> well am not like extremely new
[07:55] <z0r> Hoover_4000: ok
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> had hardy for am month and then decide3d to upgrade today
[07:55] <wolfie2x> z0r: it's pure curiosity.. same with me.. yeah yeah i know it killed the cat or something
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> well it didnt work in hardy either
[07:55] <z0r> wolfie2x: well it's a good way to learn ;)
[07:56] <Hoover_4000> probably i will try to change the settings in windows from software controlled to hardware controlled
[07:57] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: so you DID read the article :)
[07:58] <wolfie2x> bazhang:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit   doesn't work
[07:58] <Hoover_4000> ya i read it
[07:58] <wolfie2x> says: "Error no arguments specified!"
[07:58] <Hoover_4000> thats waht i was reading
[07:59] <DanaG> needs to be pastebinit -
[07:59] <bazhang> wolfie2x, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:59] <DanaG> But instead of using cat, you can just do it this way
[07:59] <wolfie2x> bazhan: already did that
[07:59] <DanaG> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <DanaG> Give it a file name.
[07:59] <wolfie2x> lets try
[07:59] <Hoover_4000> i manage my bluetooth with the intellipoint software maybe should try managing it with hardware
[07:59] <DanaG> or the other thing is some_command_with_long_output | pastebinit
[08:00] <DanaG> er
[08:00] <bazhang> wolfie2x, works here
[08:00] <DanaG>  some_command_with_long_output | pastebinit -
[08:00] <DanaG> note the dash for 'stdin' (input from pipe).
[08:00] <wolfie2x> DanaG: that worked! ;)
[08:01] <wolfie2x> ahhh my mistake.. missed that last "-"
[08:01] <DanaG> It's easy to miss.
[08:01] <wolfie2x> DanaG: what exactly does adding a "-" mean in linux? have seen it in "su -"
[08:02] <DanaG> It can mean various things.
[08:02] <dulak> on su it means "full login environment"
[08:02] <DanaG> Anyway, time for bed for real.
[08:02] <dulak> for most other commands it means "use stdin here"
[08:02] <wolfie2x> dualk: means all my env vars are copied
[08:02] <wolfie2x> ?
[08:02] <dr_willis> su - is shortcut for somthing else i forget. :)
[08:02] <Hoover_4000> will be right back in a few
[08:03] <dulak> wolfie2x: for su, it means "pretend I logged in as root, and not my normal user"
[08:03] <wolfie2x> DanaG: go sleep. ;) thx for the help
[08:03] <dulak> wolfie2x: but you can su to any user, not just root, when you add the - it acts like you had originally logged in as that user
[08:04] <dulak> wolfie2x: as an example if you su to root without the -, $HOME is still pointing to /home/username instead of /root like it would if you had logged in as root
[08:04] <dulak> wolfie2x: the - fixes that kind of thing
[08:05] <dr_willis> wolfie2x,   theres 'login shells' and normal shells. :)  the - tells it to use a login shell - i belive
[08:05] <wolfie2x> I C
[08:06] <dulak> a normal shell inherits the environment from the parent shell, a login shell gets a whole new environment just like a new login
[08:07] <dr_willis> dulak,  one runs the .bash_profile, and the non-login just runs .bashrc also. :)
[08:08] <dr_willis> Today on #ubuntu+1 : Linux FUNdamentals! :)
[08:08] <wolfie2x> :)
[08:08] <dulak> dr_willis: flawless upgrade for me yesterday btw, I was seriously impressed
[08:09] <dr_willis> at least you dident ask... "Whats the command for mkdir?"  :)
[08:09] <wolfie2x> it's hard to google for something like that.. search for "linux -" ?
[08:09] <dr_willis> dulak,  im 1 upgrade failed badly... scared to try it on the other machine. :)
[08:09] <dr_willis> linux -    will get lots of hits i imagine
[08:09] <dulak> dr_willis: never had a flawless upgrade before
[08:10] <dr_willis> dulak,  i tend tokeep /home and do clean installs.. but i really dont need intrepid on my old fileserver.. yet :)
[08:10] <dulak> dr_willis: I have an issue with the nvidia driver but it's a hardware age thing, my cpu doesn't have sse and the newer drivers require it for 3d, but that's a non-issue from the upgrade standpoint
[08:10] <dulak> dr_willis: I'd keep LTS on a file server myself, I keep all my servers on LTS
[08:10] <dr_willis> My fileserer is.. MY fileserver.. thats it.. :) just for me and the wife...
[08:11] <dr_willis> its connected to the tv downstairs so its also a video player.
[08:11] <dulak> that's kind of a workstation too then
[08:11] <dulak> my fileserver is a headless box-o-disks so I keep it LTS
[08:12] <dulak> I have a modded xbox on the tv I use as a media player front end to the file server
[08:12] <dr_willis> i had one headless.. then had issues..  - it wouldent boot up one day.. had to hook up a monitor to see why
[08:13] <dr_willis> I got some x box's i need to mod for that.. bit im too lazy
[08:13] <dr_willis> I got the Wii set up using 'orb' on a wndows box to serve it videos
[08:13] <wolfie2x> ok I'm going on my next mission: encode a video clip from my cam to h264 so that it's easier to upload on facebook..
[08:13] <wolfie2x> guess that'll take a good couple of hours figure out
[08:13] <wolfie2x> worked on Hardy and ffmpeg from Tomubuntu..
[08:14] <wolfie2x> doesn't work on intrepid..
[08:14] <wolfie2x> default intrepid ffmpeg doesn't have x264 enabled or something
[08:14] <prometheanfire> I can't wait til nvidia fixes their drivers
[08:14] <dulak> wolfie2x: mencoder can do h264 I think
[08:14] <wolfie2x> dulak: has a GUI?
[08:15] <dulak> wolfie2x: maybe, I just use command line
[08:15] <wolfie2x> I'm using WinFF gui for ffmpeg
[08:15] <dulak> I'm old school, I use the terminal for a LOT of stuff
[08:15] <wolfie2x> dulak: can i just encode with a single command?
[08:15] <wolfie2x> or do i have to encode video
[08:15] <wolfie2x> then audio
[08:16] <wolfie2x> then put together
[08:16] <dulak> wolfie2x: yes, I convert and encode in a single pass but some stuff looks better with a double pass
[08:16] <dulak> wolfie2x: depends on what you need, for a cam 1 pass is probably enough
[08:16] <wolfie2x> can u send me a sample cmd line u execute?
[08:18] <wolfie2x> I'll install mencoder and try
[08:18] <dulak> wolfie2x: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html
[08:18] <dulak> that's a full guide with everything known about encoding using mencoder
[08:19] <Hoover_4000> hello
[08:19] <wolfie2x> that's a lot to read! ;)
[08:20] <wolfie2x> was thinking of copy pasting ur cmd and replacing the filename.. ;)
[08:20] <dulak> wolfie2x: section 14.5 is all about h264
[08:20] <Cycom> wolfie2x: but then you wouldn't learn anything!
[08:20] <Hoover_4000> cycom
[08:20] <dulak> I don't use h264 on my stuff, I use mpeg4v3 so my videos will play in any windows player
[08:21] <Hoover_4000> i now got another option in prefs
[08:21] <wolfie2x> Cycom: true.. but i learnt about pastebin today.. ;)
[08:21] <wolfie2x> dulak: h264 is normally playable on windows
[08:21] <dulak> wolfie2x: I don't think it's native to win2k or win98
[08:22] <dulak> wolfie2x: I think it requires a codec download
[08:22] <wolfie2x> i cu
[08:22] <Cycom> cccp = win for codecs
[08:22] <wolfie2x> i c
[08:22] <Hoover_4000> cycom what options are under your prefs
[08:22] <dulak> for my videos, I prefer the "no downloads for windows idiots" solution
[08:22] <wolfie2x> guess mpeg4v3 is microsoft implementation of h264 ?
[08:23] <Hoover_4000> you said your bluetooth is working
[08:23] <Cycom> I have Devil-0 (Devil being my hostname)
[08:23] <dulak> wolfie2x: I"m not sure, I just know that one works on every version of media player since win98
[08:23] <Cycom> as a tab, and then it has the options "Hidden", "Always visible", "Temporary visible", and "Friendly name"
[08:23] <Cycom> then the next tab is general
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> cycom
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> cycoom check this now
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62775/
[08:25] <Cycom> hooray you figured out pastebin!
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> ya
[08:26] <Cycom> also, Microsoft Corp. Transceiver v 3.0 for Bluetooth
[08:26] <Cycom> neat!
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> ok look in that when i changed to hardware controlled
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> so still it doesnt do anything
[08:27] <Hoover_4000> i cant detect it
[08:27] <Cycom> you don't have a tab that has the same options as what I have?
[08:27] <Hoover_4000> why not
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> with the exception of the nname
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> how many tabs do u have
[08:28] <Cycom> two
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> i have 2 in total
[08:29] <Cycom> me as well! what are your tabs called?
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> what other packages did u install
[08:29] <Cycom> none.
[08:29] <Cycom> what are your tabs called?
[08:29] <Cycom> General and...
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> one tab is the name i gave it
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> the other is general
[08:29] <Cycom> good.
[08:30] <Cycom> do you see the 'Visibility setting' area in the one you named?
[08:30] <Hoover_4000> ya
[08:30] <Cycom> set it to 'Always visible', just for now to connect your devices.
[08:30] <Hoover_4000> ok
[08:30] <wolfie2x> question on "Software Sources": is it necessary to have "Source Code" enabled? seems to take long just to check for updates..
[08:31] <Cycom> wolfie2x: usually, no
[08:31] <Cycom> wolfie2x: just nice to have.
[08:31] <dulak> wolfie2x: it's only required if you are gonna download source packages and compile from source
[08:31] <wolfie2x> ii c
[08:31] <dulak> wolfie2x: I only enable those on one or two of my servers, it's disabled on all the rest
[08:31] <Hoover_4000> well tried it still cant detect it
[08:32] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: Dunno then
[08:32] <Cycom> It's like 4 am here
[08:32] <Hoover_4000> ok
[08:32] <Cycom> so I'm going to bed.
[08:32] <wolfie2x> good night cycom
[08:33] <Cycom> buenos noches. good luck.
[08:34] <Hoover_4000> its 3:34 am for me
[08:34] <wolfie2x> Hoover: what r u doing up in d middle of d night?
[08:35] <wolfie2x> bluetooth keeping u awake? ;)
[08:37] <wolfie2x> guys what does intrepid-backports mean?
[08:39] <Hoover_4000> ok bye
[08:39] <Hoover_4000> CYA MAYBE POSSIBLY
[09:05] <wolfie2x> hello anybody still here?
[09:12] <eagles0513875> hi
[09:13] <beilabs> Hey guys, just updated, running nvidia-glx-177 package.  Core temp of gfx card 8400M is now average of 62 degrees.  Seems quite hot especially with no extra settings enabled.  Any clues?
[09:35] <whisperer> greetingz
[09:35] <whisperer> i just upgraded my hardy to ibex candidate
[09:35] <whisperer> and I cant change my screen resolution
[09:35] <waan> whisperer: cool what's it like?
[09:35] <waan> drivers missing?
[09:36] <whisperer> seems drivers in place
[09:36] <whisperer> trying google it
[09:36] <whisperer> but no luck
[09:36] <whisperer> yet
[09:36] <whisperer> wander if any of you have same problems
[09:36] <whisperer> i am sitting at 800x600
[09:36] <whisperer> :/
[09:36] <waan> does glxinfo give the the usual results as from hardy?
[09:37] <whisperer> well
[09:37] <whisperer> i am pretty new to ubuntu (6 months or so)
[09:37] <whisperer> what doest it mean?
[09:38] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ glxinfo
[09:38] <whisperer> name of display: :0.0
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <waan> have you checked, system -> admin -> hardware drivers
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <waan> bad idea to paste in here
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> 2 GLXFBConfigs:
[09:38] <whisperer>    visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
[09:38] <whisperer>  id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
[09:38] <whisperer> ok
[09:38] <dli> whisperer, don't flood :(
[09:38] <whisperer> sorry
[09:38] <whisperer> wont do again
[09:39] <waan> if somebody asks, you can use paste.ubuntu.com
[09:39] <dli> whisperer, what's your video card?
[09:39] <dli> whisperer, lspci|grep -i vga
[09:39] <whisperer>  nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2)
[09:40] <whisperer> system->admin->hardware drivers = enabled and in use
[09:40] <dli> whisperer, lsmod|grep nv
[09:41] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ lsmod|grep nv
[09:41] <whisperer> nvidia               4718832  0
[09:41] <whisperer> i2c_core               24832  1 nvidia
[09:41] <whisperer> agpgart                34760  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[09:41] <tolonuga> can anyone tell me how to disable all 3d desktop effects in kubuntu 8.10 / kde 4?
[09:41] <dli> whisperer, "nvidia" used by 0, so, it's not used yet
[09:42] <whisperer> how to enable then?
[09:42] <waan> tolonuga: what window manager do you normally use, for ubuntu its "metacity --replace&"
[09:42] <waan> I assume you're using compiz?
[09:42] <tolonuga> nope, only kwin
[09:42] <dli> waan: kde4 wm has 3D effects by default
[09:42] <waan> ohh my mistake
[09:42] <waan> i'll be quiet then :P
[09:43] <nekostar> eh
[09:43] <dli> whisperer, try to edit xorg.conf, specify Driver "nvidia"
[09:43] <nekostar> gnome::restartstyle
[09:43] <nekostar> stupid gnome-session-preferences
[09:43] <whisperer> what syntax to use?
[09:44] <nekostar> ive no idea
[09:44] <nekostar> i know nothing about this stuff
[09:44] <whisperer> sudo gedit xorg.conf ?
[09:44] <nekostar> basically the problem is that the gnome sessions manager dealio used to have a restart button
[09:44] <nekostar> whisperer: ah gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:44] <nekostar> gksu for X applications, sudo for terminal type
[09:45] <dli> whisperer, whatever the editor, in Device section, make it Driver "nvidia"
[09:45] <whisperer> ok
[09:45] <waan> whisperer: what was already there?
[09:45] <dli> whisperer, or, you can read the current /var/log/Xorg.0.log, find WW EE lines
[09:46] <whisperer> gime sec
[09:48] <starscalling> ok
[09:48] <starscalling> so ther'es some massive memory leak
[09:48] <starscalling> in Xorg
[09:48] <starscalling> anyone else getting this?
[09:48] <starscalling> i've only 8 hrs uptime and i'm already at 1.3gig ram
[09:49] <whisperer> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[09:49] <whisperer> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[09:49] <dli> whisperer, that's harmless
[09:49] <whisperer> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
[09:49] <user_> starscalling: i dont know nothing about x, but you may give more info on which drivers you are using, etc..
[09:49] <starscalling> whisperer ee is the bad one
[09:50] <starscalling> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[8 hours, 35 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.998 MHz (19200.08 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA
[09:50] <starscalling> Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[09:50] <whisperer> no EE
[09:50] <whisperer> :(
[09:51] <starscalling> X.Org X Server 1.5.2
[09:51] <whisperer> found it
[09:51] <starscalling> xorg-server 2:1.5.2-2ubuntu3 (buildd@crested.buildd)
[09:51] <whisperer> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:51] <starscalling> Build Date: 24 October 2008  09:06:49AM [64 bit btw]
[09:52] <starscalling> well i'll be back
[09:52] <joaopinto> starscalling, better file a bug report about it
[09:52] <starscalling> gotta kill X
[09:52] <dli> whisperer, sounds like the nvidia not installed, but you have the nvidia module, maybe, of different version
[09:52] <dli> whisperer, rmmod nvidia
[09:52] <whisperer> hmz
[09:53] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$  rmmod nvidia
[09:53] <whisperer> ERROR: Removing 'nvidia': Operation not permitted
[09:53] <dli> whisperer, reinstall the nvidia driver (module and xorg driver), modprobe nvidia; /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:53] <whisperer> how to ?
[09:53] <dli> whisperer, you may try to rmmod after you shutdown X
[09:53] <wgrant> whisperer: sudo rmmod nvidia
[09:54] <whisperer> wgrant, doent work
[09:54] <wgrant> !doesn't work
[09:55] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ sudo rmmod nvidia
[09:55] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$
[09:55] <dli> whisperer, stop X first; Ctl-Alt-F1, login there, then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:56] <oly> hi, i have been plagued with problems with update-alternatives they tend to go update-alternatives is missing --remove-all or --quiet any ideas on how to fix this problem
[09:57] <oly> i have tried re-installing dpkg packages which seems to contain update-alternatives but this does not resolve the problem
[09:58] <oly> i can fix the --quiet by stripping all the .prerm and .postinst files of this parameter but --remove-all will not work
[09:58] <oly> because its an important parameter, so basically i am looking for a better fix
[09:58] <mastermolch> pulseaudio is very unstable on my computer, it is crashing down after a minute using amarok or adobe flash player. does this happen on other computers too or is it my fault?
[09:58] <oly> or ideas as to where i might look or whats going wrong
[10:00] <dli> oly, I don't understand what's the problem specifically, any example?
[10:00] <dr_willis> ive not had any issues wuth pulse on my 3 machines.. so far..
[10:00] <dr_willis> :)
[10:01] <oly> currently flash is trying to update but it breaks complaining that update-alternatives is missing the --remove-all parameter
[10:01] <oly> why it would be missing a parameter i have no idea
[10:01] <oly> but i have had the problem with other packages
[10:01] <oly> it seems to be a problem with update-alternatives on this machine
[10:02] <cypherdelic> I have an annoying problem. when i open firefox, window decoration is missing, when i press F11 for fullscreen and then again F11 for un-fullscreen, i have my window decorations back, any idea?
[10:02] <dli> oly, I guess the other way, a problem with flash package
[10:02] <oly> its not just flash i have had problems with most packages
[10:03] <oly> usually its the --quiet parameter
[10:03] <oly> which i can easily fix
[10:03] <mastermolch> dr_willis i changed the number of speakers in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to 6
[10:03] <dli> oly, you have to find the specific command which fails
[10:03] <mastermolch> after this it is crashing down all the time
[10:04] <oly> by doing a find and replace in all .prerm and .postinst files to stip out --quiet
[10:04] <oly> they run through file
[10:04] <mastermolch> @ dr_willis
[10:04] <cypherdelic> got it myself
[10:04] <oly> obviously i am not fussed about update-alternatives running quiet
[10:04] <oly> so thats a quick / simple fix
[10:04] <dli> oly,  update-alternatives --quiet --list editor
[10:04] <dli> oly, can you run that? with sudo as usual
[10:05] <oly> update-alternatives: unknown argument `--quiet'
[10:05] <oly> is the responce
[10:05] <oly> i have just fixed flash manually but i would still like to resolve this problem for the next time i upgrade
[10:06] <oly> its like i have an old version of update-alternatives where these arguments did not exist or something
[10:06] <dli> oly, then, your update-alternatives is faulty
[10:06] <dli> oly, update-alternatives --help
[10:07] <oly> that was my conclusion just dont knwo how to fix
[10:07] <oly> help works
[10:08] <dli> oly, is --quiet listed in --help?
[10:08] <oly> nope
[10:08] <dli> oly, dpkg --version
[10:08] <oly> 3 options --install --remove --help
[10:08] <dli> oly, are you running ubuntu at all?
[10:08] <oly> 1.14.20ubuntu1 (i386)
[10:09] <oly> yes i am running intrepid, it was an upgrade from hardy
[10:09] <ByteJuggler>  /whois ByteJuggler
[10:09] <dli> oly, sudo which update-alternatives
[10:09] <dli> oly: sudo ls -l $(which update-alternatives)
[10:09] <oly> /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:10] <oly> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4248 2008-07-05 10:23 /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:10] <dli> oly, several things
[10:10] <dli> oly, remove "/usr/local/bin" for root
[10:10] <oly> there is also an update-alternatives in /usr/sbin
[10:10] <dli> oly, rm /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:11] <dli> oly, /usr/local/bin should not be for root at all, that's most important
[10:11] <dli> oly, I don't understand how it got in
[10:11] <oly> okay removed
[10:11] <atle_> Has anyone experienced that the fan is constantly running after upgrading to Intrepid??
[10:13] <dli> oly, for the time being, I suggest you to move away /usr/local/*, sounds very dangerous to me
[10:13] <oly> okay, not sure what you mean by move away from /usr/local/* though
[10:13] <oly> going to try another update
[10:14] <oly> got 251 updates to come down
[10:14] <dli> oly, sudo mv /usr/local /usr/local_old;sudo mkdir -p /usr/local
[10:14] <oly> so will see if they go through smotthly
[10:14] <user_> atle_: not here, but you might check launchpad for similar reports
[10:15] <dli> oly, if you don't understand how /usr/local/bin got in, do what I suggested. :(
[10:15] <oly> okay done
[10:15] <dli> oly, after that, probably, I would try to reinstall every package
[10:16] <oly> okay i will try all that
[10:16] <atle_> I did..  bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu..... and I found two guys with a similar case... but no workarounds.
[10:16] <ByteJuggler> atle_: No but its not to say that there hasn't been a regression somewhere.  What hardware have you got? (Motherboard model/chipset, you can find out all the hw in your machine with "sudo lshw >hw.txt" Then open it with "gedit hw.txt"l)
[10:16] <oly> thanks for the help dli, i am guessing i have files where i should not or something
[10:17] <oly> or is it more the permissions on the files that seems wrong
[10:17] <dli> oly, first, you shouldn't have /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives, that's the most supspicious part, second, you shouldn't have /usr/local/bin in path for root
[10:18] <dli> oly, think about it, maybe, you should do: dpkg -l|grep '^ii'|awk '{print $2}'|xargs apt-get --reinstall install
[10:18] <dli> oly, that would reinstall every installed package
[10:18] <oly> okay sounds like a good plan to me
[10:18] <oly> put backanything i that might be needed
[10:19] <oly> when we renamed the folder
[10:19] <oly> looks like a nifty command :)
[10:19] <atle_> uhhmm... I am kind of an jackass to ask this question at this very moment. Because, well... I dont have the computer in front of me..  All I know, is that it is a DELLM1330
[10:20] <atle_> I hoped that since DELL is working so close with Ubuntu, theire machines would have been working more flawless....
[10:20] <eagles0513875> !language | atle_
[10:21] <Hobbsee> atle_: nvidia video card?
[10:21] <oly> looking good though dli, not seen any mention of update-alternative errors so far
[10:22] <oly> so thanks for all your assistance, most appreciated thats been bugging me for a while now
[10:22] <whisperer> dli: i tried recovery mode and fix Xserver
[10:22] <atle_> yup... and i saw that a new nonfree driver had been taken in use after the upgrade..
[10:22] <whisperer> seems it worked
[10:22] <whisperer> i got access to resolutions menus now
[10:22] <whisperer> thx
[10:23] <Hobbsee> atle_: hmmm.  Might be related to that then.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> those machines are generally fine
[10:23] <atle_> Do you think it could work to just use an older driver?
[10:23] <dli> whisperer, no idea here :(
[10:23] <atle_> like, find the one that I used before the upgrade?
[10:23] <whisperer> and one more thing
[10:24] <whisperer> uograde to candidate breaks keyboard settings as well
[10:24] <whisperer> i lost both, lithuanian and russian phonetic
[10:26] <dli> whisperer, it's the keyboard layout problem or XIM part?
[10:26] <whisperer> what is Xim?
[10:28] <dli> whisperer, X Input Module or something similar
[10:28] <whisperer> i dunno how to check
[10:28] <whisperer> but
[10:29] <whisperer> i am selecting lithuanian keayboard
[10:29] <whisperer> which was working fine on hardy
[10:29] <dli> whisperer, so it's keyboard layout
[10:29] <atle_> And one last problem I got after the upgrade: I cannot connect to wifi anymore... If i right click the network-icon, I can only check/uncheck <wired-network>. Wifi is no longer an option.... Anyone that got any thougts on this?
[10:29] <whisperer> any ideas how to fix?
[10:30] <dli> whisperer, I have no experience then, since I use "us" layout only. you may try to fix it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:30] <dli> whisperer, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/ubuntu-hardy-8.04-keyboard-layout-switching-doesnt-work.-638633/
[10:30] <whisperer> dli: thx
[10:30] <dli> whisperer, 8.10 uses X config-less, maybe the source of trouble
[10:31] <dli> whisperer,  Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
[10:31] <dli> whisperer, maybe you can do "it,ru"
[10:32] <whisperer> well
[10:32] <whisperer> no matter what I select
[10:33] <whisperer> input mode is standart US keyboard
[10:34] <dli> whisperer, you mean in xorg.conf?
[10:34] <unimatrix9> hi there
[10:35] <unimatrix9> where can i find the config files for wep
[10:35] <whisperer> nah
[10:35] <unimatrix9> how would i manually set an wep hex password
[10:35] <whisperer> i meant admin->keyboard
[10:35] <whisperer> but it works now
[10:35] <dli> whisperer, I trust xorg.conf more:(
[10:35] <whisperer> ok
[10:35] <whisperer> i am not that experienced
[10:35] <dli> whisperer, then, use whatever works, unix 101
[10:35] <whisperer> bit affraid
[10:36] <whisperer> yeah
[10:36] <whisperer> thx
[10:36] <dli> whisperer, unix idea is to keep all config files plain text :(
[10:36] <kholerabbi> Did that deviantart competition ever happen?
[10:37] <whisperer> ic
[10:37] <dli> kholerabbi, I think no, but gconf-editor is not lovely to me
[10:39] <ByteJuggler> compton: well it's certainly just nuked my desktop here... make sure the command was entered correctly "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[10:39] <ByteJuggler> compton: you're running ubuntu, yes? (Not kubuntu or something else?)
[10:40] <kholerabbi> dli: gconf-editor.. sorry?
[10:41] <darq> hey guys i just downloaded the rc interpid ibex and it wont boot (AMD Barton 2800+, 1GB ram, ATI HD2400) ... it gets me to the gdm and there it stops
[10:41] <darq> and then only the caps lock led is blinking .. and nothing starts. does anybody know that bug?
[10:43] <Acknix> hey guys im trying to run "su -c "./et-linux-2.55.x86.run""
[10:43] <Acknix> i enter my pw
[10:43] <Acknix> and it says authentication failure
[10:43] <Acknix> but its the right pw =\
[10:43] <ByteJuggler> darq: I think it's a kernel panic indicator
[10:43] <Acknix> acksaw@Mars:~/Desktop$ su -c "./et-linux-2.55.x86.run"
[10:43] <Acknix> Password:
[10:43] <Acknix> su: Authentication failure
[10:43] <ByteJuggler> darq: and there's actually info displayed about it "behind" the X server
[10:44] <ByteJuggler> try booting into safe mode (without X) and see if it still occurs
[10:44] <dr_willis> Acknix,  you dont need to install that game as root.. a user can install it for thieorselfs
[10:44] <dr_willis> Acknix,  and you dont want to use 'su' use sudo if you wan tto install it systemwide
[10:45] <Acknix> ok
[10:45] <Acknix> well
[10:45] <Acknix> it wont run with just ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[10:46] <Acknix> nvm its doing it now
[10:46] <Acknix> it chmod'd it
[10:46] <Acknix> thanks
[10:46] <ByteJuggler> darq:  It would be very useful if you can report that crash, albeit it'll be tricky due to it being a kernel panic...
[10:46] <Acknix> /home/acksaw/.setup9341: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:46] <Acknix> ok
[10:46] <Acknix> how do i go about fixing that :D
[10:47] <dr_willis> No clue Acknix  looks like it wants  a specific gtk version
[10:47] <Acknix> hm
[10:47] <whisperer> holy crap
[10:47] <dr_willis> Acknix,  serah the package manager for  libgtk-1.2
[10:47] <whisperer> now i try open folder
[10:47] <dr_willis> and install it
[10:47] <Acknix> ok
[10:47] <whisperer> Places->Videos
[10:47] <ByteJuggler> darq: you can also try CTRL+SYSREQ+K
[10:47] <ByteJuggler> while the led's flashing
[10:47] <whisperer> i get
[10:47] <ByteJuggler> see if you get a console back like that
[10:48] <whisperer> there was error installing the selected file
[10:48] <Acknix> There is no matching application available.
[10:48] <Acknix> :(
[10:48] <wgrant> ByteJuggler: Once keyboard LEDs are flashing, the kernel has panicked and you have no hope.
[10:48] <whisperer> Videos does not appear to be a valid theme.
[10:48] <ByteJuggler> wgrant: does the magic sysreq keys not still work?
[10:48] <wgrant> Acknix: Wow, that's an old app... you need libgtk1.2
[10:48] <ByteJuggler> (but yeah I thought you'd be a bit stuck given that the machine is still in graphics mode)
[10:48] <wgrant> ByteJuggler: The kernel has terminated, so noso no.
[10:49] <wgrant> Gah.
[10:49] <ByteJuggler> wgrant: k
[10:49] <Acknix> yeh its damned old
[10:49] <Acknix> =
[10:49] <Acknix> installing it now, apt-get got it
[10:49] <wgrant> Acknix: We probably won't have GTK1 in Jaunty.
[10:49] <Acknix> trying agian now
[10:49] <wgrant> Hopefully.
[10:49] <Acknix> heh
[10:49] <Acknix> its just for  agame
[10:49] <Acknix> wolfenstein enemy territoryu
[10:50] <Acknix> its recommending me to install as super user
[10:50] <Acknix> can i do that from terminal?
[10:50] <wgrant> Ah, a Loki installer?
[10:50] <dr_willis> Acknix,  you dont have to...
[10:50] <Acknix> ok
[10:50] <dr_willis> Acknix,  it is proberly safer to just install it for a single user.
[10:51] <Acknix> ok
[10:51] <Acknix> installling now
[10:51] <dr_willis> of course If i recall right.. once ya install that game.. you can archive the game directory.. and just copy it to other machuines :)
[10:51] <dr_willis> no need to rerun the installer on others
[10:56] <darq> what should i write in boot options to boot without x?
[10:56] <dr_willis> darq,  i normally just disable the gdm/kdm service
[10:56] <dr_willis> I dont know of any 'no x' boot option
[10:57] <dr_willis> other then the 'single/recovery/rescue' options
[10:59] <darq> how to disable gdm on a live cd?
[11:00] <ByteJuggler> IIRC the Intrepid "rescue" boot option gives you the option to boot to a root shell
[11:03] <scopecreep> is apt slow for anyone else?
[11:23] <moenicke> just a question, does it work well in a vmware?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> works in virtualbox, so probably
[11:28] <dr_willis> I use virtualboz to run 8.10 just fine
[11:32] <moenicke> cool, thx
[11:33] <veloc1ty> i tried it some weehs ago, but the guest extensions didn't work
[11:33] <veloc1ty> maybe they do now
[11:34] <user_> veloc1ty: screen resolution seems to work now at least
[11:34] <veloc1ty> that's good news :)
[11:35] <moenicke> i wonder why there are no debian packages for vmware-tools
[11:36] <dr_willis> they normally gotta get built for each kernel versiuon
[11:36] <veloc1ty> try virtual box :)
[11:37] <veloc1ty> i got a much better performance with virtualbox compared to vmware
[11:37] <moenicke> veloc1ty: does it work without pain, mouse, usb and screen resolution?
[11:37] <veloc1ty> yes it does
[11:37] <dr_willis> Ive hjad very few issues with virtualbox.
[11:38] <veloc1ty> there was something with usb
[11:38] <veloc1ty> you need to add the user who runs vbox to the admin group or something like that
[11:38] <veloc1ty> i'm quite sure there's a nice tutorial around the intard.net ;)
[11:39] <moenicke> ok, such a little issue is ok
[11:40] <moenicke> does it need some additional stuff compiled by hand?
[11:40] <veloc1ty> nope, it just works
[11:40] <veloc1ty> i'm very satisfied with it
[11:40] <wtgee1> virtualboxx++
[11:41] <moenicke> i'll try it out
[11:41] <veloc1ty> good luck ;)
[11:41] <Welshman> Thanks for Ibex
[11:42] <Welshman> ATI card working too
[11:42] <Welshman> took a while though
[11:42] <Welshman> !ati
[11:42] <Welshman> please update that
[11:43] <Welshman> fglrx works fine for ati hd 2400 pro
[11:44] <Cheery> so.. soon ubuntu intrepid will be out?
[11:44] <dli> open source drivers work pretty well for most ati cards by now, also
[11:46] <Plz> Cheery: 4 days :D
[11:46] <Cheery> yep. :) I've been using it for a month now
[11:46] <bofh80> my Xorg process is spiking every 20 to 30 seconds. . . . any ideas?
[11:46] <Welshman> how did they get fglrx working in xorg 7.4 when there is no driver released?
[11:47] <Cheery> hmm
[11:47] <Cheery> I think I wait yet 4 days until I update my alpha
[11:47] <Welshman> fed 9 people etc need info like that too
[11:47] <Cheery> does alpha get updated by default or do I need to upgrade?
[11:49] <Cheery> darn, closed down my irssi window
[11:50] <Enselic> !networkmanager
[11:54] <scopecreep> is it acceptable to reduce swappiness on a system with 8gb of ram?
[11:55] <ByteJuggler> scopecreep: with 8GB of RAM you might as well not have any swap
[11:55] <ByteJuggler> (IMHO)
[11:55] <ByteJuggler> (unless you use very memory hungry apps)
[11:56] <scopecreep> i actually havent touched it yet, but i was told id need it for hibernate/suspend
[11:56] <scopecreep> which still doesnt work
[11:56] <ByteJuggler> scopecreep: ah yes, don't know about that
[11:56] <scopecreep> its annoying, i made a 20g swap partition :\
[11:57] <scopecreep> i might just not use a swap or suspend at all
[11:57] <ByteJuggler> scopecreep: which is what I do (except occassionally on my laptop, where both of those does work, thankfully)
[11:59] <ByteJuggler> (20G swap partition = lolz :P_
[11:59] <wgrant> scopecreep: You don't need swap for suspend.
[11:59] <ByteJuggler> )
[11:59] <wgrant> 20GB of swap is excessive.
[11:59] <amikrop> Is the bug with the automatic login, and keyboard layout settings, solved in Intrepid?
[12:00] <Dextorion> Installing ubuntu today. Should i go for 8.10 at once, or should i go for 8.04 and upgrade when 10 is released?
[12:00] <dli> ekiga 2.0.12-0ubuntu5 broken for me, "registration failed"
[12:00] <Dextorion> do you guys have any problems with the beta?
[12:01] <os2mac> Dextorion: I would go with 8.04 as its the stable version. .10 is still in Beta/RC and has issues
[12:01] <Dextorion> Alrighty os2mac, thank you.
[12:01] <amikrop> Also, when I tried to upgrade to Intrepid, the upgrade tool warned me that there is no proprietary driver for my graphics card, and I will have to use 'nv' after the upgrade. So, I didn't proceed with the upgrade.
[12:01] <ByteJuggler> Dextorion: If you do install 8.10, make sure it's the RC, not the Beta
[12:02] <dli> Dextorion, yesterday, dist-upgrading deleted /usr/bin/Xorg for me
[12:02] <ByteJuggler> Dextorion: but I agree with os2mac
[12:02] <gaelfx1> is there a terminal command I can use to connect to a bluetooth device? hcitool scan sees my mouse, but bluez doesn't
[12:02] <Dextorion> wow. :) Thanks guys.
[12:02] <dli> gaelfx1, hidd --search
[12:02] <wgrant> dli: How did you upgrade?
[12:02] <gaelfx1> dli: that command is gone now
[12:02] <Dextorion> I'll go with the current one, and upgrade later on.
[12:03] <legend2440> i did a clean install of intrepid rc1  and while cp works fine to copy files when i try cut paste the progress bar box pops up but it doesnt copy the file. no disk activity or anything. any ideas?
[12:03] <dli> wgrant, apt-get update;apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[12:03] <wgrant> dli: ARRRRRGH
[12:03] <gaelfx1> dli: nevermind, it's back!
[12:03] <wgrant> dli: That is not a way to upgrade.
[12:03] <dli> wgrant, I dist-upgrade from 8.10
[12:04] <wgrant> Even if you're doing that, you're meant to watch it to avoid X being removed!
[12:04] <wgrant> You cannot complain if you blindly let it remove things.
[12:04] <amikrop> Is the bug with the automatic login, and keyboard layout settings, solved in Intrepid? Also, when I tried to upgrade to Intrepid, the upgrade tool warned me that there is no proprietary driver for my graphics card, and I will have to use 'nv' after the upgrade. So, I didn't proceed with the upgrade.
[12:04] <Dextorion> by the way.. i have a core 2 duo, should i get the 64 bit version? or keep to 32.
[12:05] <amikrop> Any comments on those?
[12:05] <wgrant> amikrop: Perhaps you could describe the bug. We don't all known every one of the hundred thousand bugs that have been filed in Ubuntu's lifetime.
[12:05] <Dextorion> If i recall right.. there were some issues with 64 bit before but.. how about now?
[12:05] <wgrant> As for nv, what about it?
[12:05] <gaelfx1> ok, finally some useful information on bluetooth: I cannot connect to my mouse because the "File descriptor [is] in a bad state". Could someone help me out with this?
[12:05] <dli> wgrant, I'm not asking you for help. thanks anyway
[12:06] <amikrop> wgrant, I want to use the proprietary "nvidia" drivers, as I do now (for 3D support).
[12:06] <wgrant> amikrop: I'm afraid that you'll have to complain to nvidia about that.
[12:07] <amikrop> But it says they are not available for intrepid.
[12:07] <wgrant> They're being slow and not updating their old drivers.
[12:07] <scopecreep> i think they discontinued the old drivers
[12:07] <dli> Dextorion, adobe doesn't support 64 bit yet. SUN opened java, but 64 bit is still under development
[12:07] <wgrant> No, they have plans to update them.
[12:07] <wgrant> But they haven't done so yet.
[12:07] <wgrant> dli: Er, OpenJDK works fine on amd64.
[12:07] <Dextorion> dli, so i go with 32.
[12:07] <amikrop> wgrant, Why doesn't Intrepid use the drivers Hardy used?
[12:07] <wgrant> amikrop: Because we have a new version of X.org.
[12:08] <wgrant> With which the proprietary drivers are incompatible.
[12:08] <amikrop> wgrant, ok
[12:08] <amikrop> wgrant: I am reffering to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/+bug/196277
[12:08] <dli> Dextorion, you can have wrappers or chroot in 64bit, if you have 4GB+ ram, 64bit is a must
[12:08] <gaelfx1> can someone help me figure out why I can't use bluetooth at all?
[12:09] <wgrant> dli: What would he need a chroot for?
[12:11] <amikrop> Anyway, I hope nVidia releases their new drivers as soons as possible (before Thursday, if this is possible).
[12:11] <amikrop> wgrant: thanks, and bye
[12:11] <wgrant> amikrop: As do we all...
[12:13] <humbolt> I seem to be unable to get my mic working with skype in ibex
[12:13] <Xcerca> i was having some problems with lirc in 8.10 and i saw that dkms kept having a error on boot, so i read in one persons post that that had the same problem so they ran apt-get remove -purge dkms and said that worked...  i did that
[12:14] <Xcerca> and now when i boot i get into gnome, all of the panels and icons did then the screen goes white
[12:15] <Xcerca> is there a way to re-install dkms so that the packages are also installed with it
[12:15] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: almost every time I start up, my screen goes white, once X loads though, everything shows up as it should
[12:15] <gaelfx1> of course, I am using the restricted driver
[12:16] <Xcerca> i had kqemu , nvidia driver and lirc modules...  now when i boot up it says loading DKMS but none of the modules are there
[12:16] <Xcerca> so you think i should just wait a little longer ?
[12:16] <Xcerca> i already went into failsafe termial and installed nvidia-glx-new-envy
[12:17] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: well, if you hear the login sound and it's still white, then you need to restart and try again
[12:17] <legend2440> i did a clean install of intrepid rc1  and while mv and cp in terminal works fine to copy or move files when i try cut paste or copy paste  the progress bar box pops up but it doesn't copy or move the file or folder. no disk activity or anything. any ideas?
[12:17] <scopecreep> other than removing swap from fstab and rebooting, what do i need to do to disable swaping altogether?
[12:18] <Xcerca> it changed the look and res so i think it's using the glx driver,  but then it goes white ...  i see all of the icons and everything load first also
[12:19] <wgrant> Xcerca: Why are you using nvidia-glx-new-envy?
[12:19] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: ah, well, that sounds quite different from my problem, sorry
[12:19] <wgrant> There are much better solutions in Intrepid...
[12:20] <Xcerca> wgrant , i did aptitude search nvidia and that was the one i thought might work... i used envy before when i installed the nvidia drive
[12:20] <Xcerca> which should i use ?
[12:20] <scopecreep> when i set my network info in /etc/network/interfaces i cant use my interface, are the settings somewhere else in ibex?
[12:20] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: well, if you do get it working, I suggest the Jockey-gtk app
[12:20] <humbolt> how can I disable pulseaudio in intrepid? or at least get dmix dsnoop running?
[12:20] <wgrant> Xcerca: use jockey to install it.
[12:20] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: it did pretty well on my box
[12:20] <wgrant> And don't remove packages which you don't know about.
[12:21] <Xcerca> is that a console app ?
[12:21] <wgrant> No.
[12:21] <gaelfx1> gtk != console
[12:21] <gaelfx1> Xcerca: it
[12:21] <gaelfx1> s the restricted driver section of Administration apps
[12:22] <gaelfx1> doh, Hardware drivers...
[12:26] <gaelfx1> so, anyone up for helping me out with my bluetooth?
[12:32] <dli> gaelfx1, can you pastebin your command lines and error messages?
[12:33] <gaelfx1> dli: I assume you want from 'sudo hidd --search'?
[12:34] <dli> gaelfx1, if that's the only thing you try, better get hand dirty and read a detailed howto: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml
[12:35] <s0u][ight> hello what was the name of the pulseaudio support package for flash?
[12:37] <captainc> For this morning's updates, I'm getting NOT AUTHENTICATED in update manager for libhal1, hal, sbackup, and a few others. Wondering why this would be...
[12:39] <wgrant> captainc: Wait a few hours and try again.
[12:39] <wgrant> Your mirror is probably bad.
[12:39] <captainc> ok, will do. what do you mean by "bad"?
[12:40] <chad> Having some serious issues with Pulseaudio only playing static ... can someone help ?
[12:42] <cybernout> any one else testing 8.10 rc?
[12:43] <gaelfx1> cybernout: I believe that is the purpose of this channel
[12:43] <chad> cybernout: yeah i think we all are
[12:45] <captainc> been working beautifully over here. easiest install yet.
[12:45] <captainc> and the new nautilus kicks ass.
[12:45] <cybernout> ok, could you check if search in synaptic works
[12:46] <cybernout> try an search for any package you know thats in there
[12:46] <captainc> though there is a new default pixbuf theme engine and it broke a lot of my themes.
[12:46] <chad> captainc:  have you tried to mount a smbshare inside nautilus yet .. cause it still doesnt seem to work
[12:46] <cybernout> see if it works
[12:46] <captainc> no, but I can try because I am using Virtual Box to access samba shares on Ibex.
[12:46] <captainc> Just have to configure the other way around.
[12:47] <chad> captainc: yep .. and dont you love virtualbox .. makes vmware look like crap
[12:47] <captainc> chad: yeah, it is really fast compared to vmware. Can't wait till true multi-core capability in a VM!
[12:48] <cybernout> who has some time to check synaptic?
[12:48] <captainc> cybernout: the new search box is different, it's search algorithm is different. the old search is still there though.
[12:48] <cybernout> old search does also not work
[12:48] <squid0> hello
[12:48] <captainc> The quick search i mean
[12:48] <cybernout> try it , and see
[12:48] <captainc> cybernout: does for me.
[12:49] <chad> cybernout: mine works fine as well
[12:49] <cybernout> hmm, ok
[12:49] <cybernout> did you add all repos
[12:49] <cybernout> search wicd
[12:49] <cybernout> does it show up?
[12:49] <squid0> I'm using the Kubuntu RC, and while a lot of things are looking great, X suddenly crashes every once in a while...
[12:49] <squid0> it's very frustrating
[12:49] <captainc> cybernout: all defaults and some customs too
[12:49] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, has anyone come accross a "Kernel configuration is invalid, include/linux/autoconf.h missing"   have installed build-essential
[12:50] <cybernout> ok
[12:50] <captainc> cybernout: you refresh the list? are any lists not downloading correctly?
[12:50] <gaelfx1> dli: hey, sdpd doesn't seem to be running, could that be the problem?
[12:51] <cybernout> well for example if you search mplayer, it show not mplayer
[12:51] <cybernout> but pulse audip
[12:51] <cybernout> i see it does show xchat
[12:52] <dli> gaelfx1, could be, since mine has it up
[12:52] <cybernout> but search for wicd, and envyng shows nothing
[12:52] <chad> i rarely use the gui for packages .. so it seems fine to me
[12:52] <cybernout> the    same search in aptitude shows the correct package
[12:52] <dli> gaelfx1, it's brought up by /etc/init.d/bluetooth here
[12:53] <cybernout> so i thought, it must be broken
[12:53] <xxploit> u talking about synaptic being a bit messed up with the search and quick search functions?
[12:53] <cybernout> :P
[12:53] <cybernout> yes
[12:53] <gaelfx1> dli: ok, I'll see if I can figure out why it isn't being started by mine
[12:53] <xxploit> yeh I had that problem with ubuntu, xubuntu which im now using doesnt seem to have that problem
[12:53] <s0u][ight> apt is one of the best package managers
[12:54] <xxploit> but basically on the ubuntu beta, if u cant find it with search, quick search should find it...for a few things neither will find it
[12:54] <cybernout> yes  , i agree , apt is the best... so should synaptic show what you search
[12:54] <s0u][ight> cybernout, get familiar with the cli
[12:54] <cybernout> hehe
[12:54] <cybernout> i am away's thinking for the new ubuntu user
[12:55] <cybernout> alway's
[12:55] <cybernout> *
[12:55] <s0u][ight> cybernout, mostly being a new ubuntu user also makes you looking up easy to find software
[12:56] <xxploit> cybernout: you could install packagekit-gnome seems like ubuntu mite be heading that way to eventually use it
[12:58] <adz21c> Hi, I have been having problems with interpid and my Xonar D2 sound card. On first boot of interpid the sound worked fine, however since a couple boots after that I have had no sound. I have noticed when I used hardy that when the sound card isn't working I am unable to control many options in alsamixer, this is currently the case. However on a cold boot I get to manipulate more options than a warm one. anyone have any ideas?
[12:59] <captainc> synaptic shouldn't change much, it's possible the best thing since sliced bread... and apt.
[13:00] <cybernout> hmm
[13:00] <xxploit> adz21c: i think there is some bug with sound after the last few updates, i think alot users had a problem with sound
[13:02] <adz21c> xxploit: ok, I tried building alsa 1.0.18rc3 on a previous interpid install and that worked for a while, then again failed shortly after. Where do I go for ubuntu bug tracker to try find similar issues to follow? or create my own.
[13:03] <mellery_> Hi, I lost sound for media player, vlc, and wine when I updated to Ibex
[13:04] <xxploit> adz21c: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[13:04] <adz21c> xxploit: thanks
[13:05] <mellery_> can someone help me figure out what broke?
[13:08] <djdarkman> hello, what's the status of kopete in ibex? will the kde4 version be used or the kde3?
[13:08] <adz21c> djdarkman: 4 from the looks, i don't see a package for 3
[13:09] <djdarkman> adz21c: that's very sad, the new kopete has major regresions when it comes to the yahoo! protocol
[13:09] <adz21c> djdarkman: like what?
[13:10] <djdarkman> doesn't download contact photos
[13:10] <djdarkman> doesn't download contact list correctly
[13:11] <Xcerca> if i just updated using update-manager -d to the beat version then on the 30th will i be able to update again the same way ?
[13:11] <adz21c> djdarkman: how does it not download the list correctly? seemed ok to me, although i rarely use yahoo so i hadn't noticed the pictures thing
[13:12] <djdarkman> my friend told me that it didn't show all the online contacts, and I never saw any photos in the contact list
[13:12] <adz21c> djdarkman: ok, can't confirm that either, my yahoo list has been empty for a while :)
[13:15] <cybernout> where would i find the config file for wireless?
[13:24] <Nece228> ubuntu 8.10 will be fastest ubuntu release?
[13:28] <helpplz> Can anyone help me .. i just rebooted and my home directory is gone.  I am on live cd now.
[13:28] <djdarkman> Nece228: performance?
[13:29] <Nece228> djdarkman: yeah
[13:30] <djdarkman> Nece228: kubuntu or ubuntu? KDE or GNOME?
[13:30] <Nece228> djdarkman: ubuntu
[13:30] <helpplz> anyone?  can anyone help me?
[13:31] <djdarkman> Nece228: it should be, I've read some news, about boot time improvements, but don't know if it's implemented or not, but since the new kernel is faster it should be, it always depends how you use it
[13:31] <djdarkman> helpplz: since you upgraded?
[13:32] <helpplz> no i have been on the upgrade for weeks, it just happened randomly when i rebooted
[13:33] <djdarkman> can you log in with your user(s) helpplz?
[13:33] <Nece228> djdarkman: you mean gnome start up time or boot?
[13:34] <Nece228> djdarkman: *boot entire system
[13:34] <helpplz> nope the directory is just empty ..
[13:34] <djdarkman> Nece228: that too but also boot times, you can check these out at slashdot, that's where I've read them
[13:34] <helpplz> i guess i am lucky i have a backup, but kinda scary it will happen again
[13:35] <helpplz> is there any reason to not use reiser ?
[13:35] <djdarkman> helpplz: but how can you tell that your /home/ is gone if you can't login? :)
[13:35] <Nece228> djdarkman: can you give me exact link?
[13:35] <cypherdelic> helpplz: hes a murderer :D
[13:35] <helpplz> djdarkman: mount my old drive from the live cd and look
[13:36] <djdarkman> Nece228: http://linux.slashdot.org/ and this is about what you surely get with ibex: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/everything_you_need_know_about_ubuntu_810_intrepid_ibex?page=0%2C1
[13:37] <djdarkman> so helpplz your home is on a seperate partition and you  can't mount/find it when you are on a livecd?
[13:40] <helpplz> djdarkman: yes it is
[13:41] <djdarkman> and what does gparted show you?
[13:41] <djdarkman> ( helpplz )
[13:42] <helpplz> djdarkman: weird .. its showing my /dev/sda2 as jfs now and no mount point
[13:43] <djdarkman> helpplz: it's not wierd the livecd shouldn't mount it automaticly
[13:43] <helpplz> djdarkman: correct you are .. sorry
[13:43] <helpplz> djdarkman: but why is it showing jfs when it should be reiserfs
[13:44] <icewaterman> hi, i am using 8.10 and i can use suspend to disk but it will only work once and not a second time after resume until i fully reboot
[13:44] <djdarkman> helpplz: dunno, probably new abbreviation trend....
[13:44] <icewaterman> i can suspend to ram as often as i want
[13:45] <helpplz> ohh well gonna go reinstall now
[13:45] <icewaterman> but it will not work either if i suspended to disk before
[13:46] <bindaasbhai22> ﻿hi ..i have a problem with totem player...not sure i am at the right place or not...need help!!!
[13:46] <bindaasbhai22> ﻿getting this message while trying to play youtube videos "ffdemux_swf: Element doesn't implement handling of this stream. Please file a bug"
[13:46] <bindaasbhai22> ﻿ can somebody help please?
[13:47] <Nece228> djdarkman: thanks
[13:47] <djdarkman> bindaasbhai22: try smplayer or mplayer
[13:47] <djdarkman> Nece228: no problem, hope it helped clear things up
[13:48] <bindaasbhai22> ok thanks...lemme try that now...
[13:49] <bindaasbhai22> if you dont mind me asking you....is this a known bug?
[13:52] <joaopinto> bindaasbhai22, search for it on launchpad
[13:52] <joaopinto> if you can't find it, report :)
[13:57] <g-hennux> hi!
[13:57] <g-hennux> i've just switched from ibex beta to ibex rc
[13:58] <g-hennux> and can't sign my emails any more. i.e. i get shown the pinentry-qt4 client, but then kmail says "wrong passphrase"
[13:59] <g-hennux> doing gpg --sign from the console, i also get this window shown, but then when entering my passphrase the message "gpg: Schwierigkeiten mit dem Agenten - Agent-Ansteuerung wird abgeschaltet" and i am asked to enter the passphrase on the command line
[14:05] <J-B_> johuu, anyone know how to run amsn with voice support?
[14:08] <jacobmo> hi all.. anyone know why x server crash/restart after i have login, just as kde starts loading.. im on 8.10
[14:18] <g-hennux> note: my problem above is related to pinentry-qt4. using pinentry-qt instead works correctly (!)
[14:25] <g-hennux> (it does not, only from the command line)
[14:29] <interflo1> After upgrading to 8.10, my broadcom wireless card stopped working even though it says it's activated.
[14:30] <InsomniaCity> will the new NetworkManager in 8.10 support all the openvpn options?
[14:30] <InsomniaCity> as opposed to the very limited subset it currently has.
[14:38] <NET||abuse> hi all, working on my new eee 1000h, just got it yesterday, basic ibex install done, mostly ok other than wifi not working yet and some of the hardware and fn keys. fn f5/f6 for screen brightness ok, but not fn+f10/f11/f12 for mute/up down volume.
[14:38] <NET||abuse> compiz working though, which really supprised me, awsome
[14:39] <NET||abuse> the wifi is primary issue, i just want that and then i'll be pretty happy.
[14:40] <NET||abuse> even able to play back 400MB video of tv show, sweet.
[14:40] <NET||abuse> have to tesst skype next
[14:40] <interflo1> After upgrading to 8.10, my broadcom wireless card stopped working even though it says it's activated.
[14:40] <frank23> I'm downloading the RC now. what is the problem with wifi? Is still knetworkmanager?
[14:41] <interflo1> I'm guessing the network manager isn't playing nice with my bcm4318
[14:41] <pronoy> NET||abuse: i have hardy and skype doesn't work...a sound playback problem....rest everything is cool
[14:41] <NET||abuse> pronoy: on eee100h?
[14:42] <NET||abuse> pronoy: 1000h i mean?
[14:42] <frank23> interflo1: on the kubuntu alphas knetworkmanager didn't but the gnome networkmanager (nm-applet) workes
[14:42] <icewaterman> how can i disable dbus for firefox?
[14:42] <frank23> worked*
[14:42] <icewaterman> because firefox complains about some dbus connection failing
[14:43] <pronoy> NET||abuse: pardon my ignorance but what is 1000h....sorry.........you're dealing with a curious noob here
[14:43] <interflo1> frank23:  my broadcom card worked fine in 8.04.  why would it stop working in 8.10?
[14:43] <icewaterman> interflo1: newer kernel
[14:43] <NET||abuse> pronoy: thhe Asus EeePC 1000h, small laptop :0
[14:44] <pronoy> NET||abuse: my mistake..sorry...gotta desktop here ;)
[14:44] <interflo1> icewaterman: it says it's activated under Hardware Drivers
[14:44] <NET||abuse> pronoy: it's pretty awsome little thingy, 10" screen, only manages 1024x768
[14:45] <pronoy> NET||abuse: lets get down to business !! can it run crysis ? ....lol
[14:46] <Acknix> im running 8.10 but i think this applies for all versions anyways
[14:46] <icewaterman> NET||abuse: well i have a similar box from msi, but its 10" can only handle 1024x600
[14:46] <Acknix> i'm trying to mount an external drive (NTFS) and its throwing up errors saying it cant be mounted
[14:46] <moenicke_> veloc1ty: did you get guest additions installed?
[14:50] <ad_> if i install ibex do I need to redit my fstab to mount /home partition
[14:50] <NET||abuse> icewaterman: sorry, forgot it is only 1024x600, i thought it was more when i was researching it, turns out it's not.
[14:50] <NET||abuse> icewaterman: seems i tricked myself into getting it over the acer aspire
[14:50] <ad_> anyone?
[14:52] <veloc1ty> moenicke_, some of them, yes
[14:53] <veloc1ty> you should update to the latest version and give it a try then
[14:54] <captainc> ad_: are you upgrading?
[14:54] <ad_> frsh install
[14:55] <captainc> ad_: Where is your /home?
[14:55] <ad_> sda3
[14:55] <captainc> ad_: root/swap at sda1/sda2 ?
[14:56] <ad_> yes
[14:57] <ad_> so? do i need to edit myfstab again?
[14:57] <captainc> ad_: I haven't done it personally, but if you may be able to simply specify your home partition in the install and have the install write your fstab correctly. You have to find someone who has done this before to clarify. Maybe a forum search?
[14:57] <ad_> ok thnx
[14:59] <captainc> ad_: why not try an upgrade?
[14:59] <ad_> ye why not
[14:59] <ad_> ill try 1 :)
[14:59] <ad_> no need to edit fstab then?
[15:01] <captainc> right
[15:06] <Lunks> Hi, I can't scale my CPU speed using this "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor" applet on Gnome.
[15:07] <Lunks> I tried setting it to use suid by issuing 'dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets', but even though it shows a drop down, it doesn't seem to work as it supposed to.
[15:07] <gaelfx1> I'm trying to use my bluetooth mouse, but it doesn't work and I suspect the problem is that when bluetooth starts, sdpd doesn't start, can someone point me in the right direction towards fixing this?
[15:08] <nemo> soooo figured I'd better get a jump on next ubuntu before my family needs to switch
[15:09] <nemo> next week right?
[15:11] <nemo> heh. that's an amusing reason to fail.  "needs 138M on disc boot"
[15:12] <nemo> (the disc layout on this computer was done by dell)
[15:12] <nemo> I see they allocated a whole 184.2MiB to /boot
[15:13] <nemo> the advice to run apt-get clean - not so useful in this case
[15:13] <nemo> guess the update tool isn't smart enough to recommend uninstalling old kernels if /boot is full
[15:13] <void^> just get rid of some old kernels
[15:14] <nemo> yep
[15:14] <nemo> that's what I'm doing :-p
[15:14] <nemo> void^: 'course, I'm tempted to bump up size of /boot too, if the update needs 138M right off the start
[15:15] <nemo> that'll only leave 40 or so for future clutter
[15:17] <cool_penguin> Hello everybody
[15:17] <void^> well, i currently have 13M used in /boot
[15:18] <cool_penguin> I installed a daily build version of 8.10 on Oct 25
[15:18] <cool_penguin> It seems to have a lot of problems
[15:18] <cool_penguin> Was wondering if anybody could help
[15:18] <rhsanborn> I just read an article on Ibex and it has exactly what I've been looking for (better bluetooth and mobile internet support). I know it's coming out in 5 days, but is there really much risk in upgrading a little early?
[15:19] <cool_penguin> 1st I get a blank screen at login
[15:19] <gaelfx1> I don't need to worry about synaptic removing gimp-gnomevfs and gimp-python, right?
[15:19] <cool_penguin> I dont quite know how I could fix that
[15:20] <cool_penguin> anybody here having any idea to fix that??
[15:21] <cool_penguin> ??
[15:22] <cool_penguin> 2nd My system does not shut down
[15:23] <cool_penguin> Somebody please help
[15:25] <nemo> void^: after uninstalling all but most recent kernel (which for me is a bit on the extreme side, I normally keep current and previous)
[15:25] <nemo> I'm down to 23MiB in boot
[15:25] <captainc> cool_penguin: if no one responds, ask again in a few. also do a forum search for the same issue. it seems like it would be a video card problem.
[15:25] <nemo> oh. initrd.img-2.6.24-21-generic.bak
[15:25] <nemo> odd
[15:26] <nemo> maybe that was due to the interrupted upgrade
[15:26] <nemo> hm. but the date is wrong
[15:26] <cool_penguin> Thanks CaptainC
[15:26] <nemo> they have different checksums too. wild
[15:26] <cool_penguin> But when I hit, Ctrl+F6 and then again hit Ctrl+F7, I get a GUI login screen
[15:26] <nemo> binary patch?
[15:26] <cool_penguin> Then would it still be a video card problem??
[15:28] <nemo> down to 16MiB after ditching that weird backup.
[15:28] <captainc> cool_penguin: that is quite interesting. all you did was install 8.10? no other settings were changed? and was it a fresh install?
[15:28] <cool_penguin> yes
[15:28] <cool_penguin> fresh install
[15:29] <Lynet> Is there a mini-image available for the latest ibex snapshot?
[15:31] <cool_penguin> captainc: I am almost thinking of switching back to 8.04, but would still like to give this a last shot
[15:31] <Plz> no point switching back
[15:31] <Plz> in 3 days 8.10 will be released anyway
[15:31] <Plz> 4 days*
[15:31] <captainc> cool_penguin: so it boots straight to a black screen? what if you hit Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace at the point? does it restart X?
[15:32] <nemo> captainc: my computer has always had all black VTs
[15:32] <nemo> some monitor issue
[15:32] <nemo> is a cheapo dell box
[15:32] <nemo> I'd be screeewed if X didn't start - would be similar to his symptoms
[15:32] <nemo> well. not screwed. I could ssh in to fix I guess
[15:32] <nemo> assuming it wasn't at the rescue screen for a full manual fsck
[15:33] <cool_penguin> it restarts but then again its a blank screen
[15:33] <nemo> cool_penguin: can you ssh in?
[15:33] <cool_penguin> I have to always hit CTRL+F6 and then F7 to see GUI login
[15:33] <cool_penguin> ssh??
[15:33] <captainc> nemo: he said that if he switches to VT then back to GDM login with Ctrl+F7, he gets the GDM just fine.
[15:33] <nemo> oh. you *can* get to the gui login?
[15:33] <nemo> ah
[15:33] <nemo> n/m
[15:34] <nemo> cool_penguin: say, if you switch between the VTs, do any of them have text?
[15:34] <nemo> cool_penguin: or are they all blank?
[15:34] <cool_penguin> no they have a text basically askin me to login
[15:34] <nemo> on my list of things to do is figure out why mine are screwed up, just has been low priority
[15:34] <nemo> cool_penguin: oh. that's normal
[15:35] <nemo> totally different issue to mine.
[15:35] <cool_penguin> But then I never had to do this in Hardy
[15:36] <cool_penguin> Also when I shutdown, the system does not shut down completely, It gets stuck at shutting down ALSA....[ok]
[15:36] <Lynet> If I want to make a multi-boot CD/usb-key with several different hardy/ibex images, what changes would I have to do to each image? Just the casper paths in the initrds?
[15:36] <nemo> cool_penguin: the next thing after alsa is the one at fault, presumably
[15:36] <cool_penguin> may be.
[15:36] <nemo> captainc: does 8.10 use parallel shutdown/startup, or can I determine order still by looking in runlevels?
[15:36] <cool_penguin> I am not quite sure
[15:37] <cool_penguin> The only change I made was to replace NM by Wicd network manager
[15:37] <captainc> nemo: not sure. it seems like a faster boot, but i'm not sure if it is using upstart or something like that.
[15:37] <nemo> cool_penguin: what gets shut down after alsa in runlevel 6?
[15:38] <gaelfx1> could anyone venture a guess as to why sdpd is not present on my installation?
[15:38] <cool_penguin> I cannot see that part
[15:38] <nemo> cool_penguin: ls /etc/rc6.d
[15:38] <cool_penguin> It seems to be kinda frozen at that point
[15:38] <captainc> If it is hanging at alsa on shutdown, maybe it is having a driver issue with it on boot.
[15:38] <nemo> cool_penguin: pastebin contents of that directory :-p
[15:38] <nemo> captainc: well, it says "ok"
[15:38] <nemo> captainc: shouldn't say that unless the script completed
[15:38] <captainc> right.
[15:39] <cool_penguin> its K63mountoverflowtmp
[15:39] <nemo> wow. 1.3GiB
[15:39] <nemo> good thing I'm grabbing it now
[15:40] <nemo> cool_penguin: ah. unfamiliar with that, but hanging on things that mount/unmount is not horribly unusual
[15:40] <nemo> cool_penguin: looks like it unmounts /tmp
[15:40] <cool_penguin> One other thing, when It hangs  at shutdown, if i hit the power switch, I get a message saying stopping Gnome display manager
[15:40] <captainc> alse, we will need a tail of error log.
[15:40] <captainc> *also
[15:41] <nemo> I'm still on 8.04, but assuming they are similar...
[15:41] <nemo>                 grep '^overflow on /tmp type tmpfs' >/dev/null; then
[15:41] <nemo>                 umount overflow
[15:41] <gaelfx1> if anyone is successfully using bluetooth right now, could you do a "ps -ae | grep sdpd" for me?
[15:42] <nemo> cool_penguin: you should try running K63mountoverflowtmp stop  yourself
[15:42] <nemo> cool_penguin: then check for any logging, errors, leave it sitting there for a while to see if you get a mount timeout
[15:42] <nemo> that kinda thing
[15:42] <cool_penguin> i shall give it a shot
[15:43] <filth> i have some problems with my laptop battery, i'm getting 1hr 50minutes at 100% as opposed to my windows 3.5 hours.
[15:43] <cool_penguin> any ideas for the login screen
[15:43] <filth> is there a workaround to this apparent bug?
[15:43] <nemo> cool_penguin: sudo /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp stop  (in case you are unfamiliar)
[15:43] <nemo> cool_penguin: due to whole "what's ssh" thing :)
[15:43]  * user_ oh my, sound in vbox is still unusable here (choppy as hell)
[15:43] <nemo> user_: really. never had that issue myself.
[15:44] <nemo> cool_penguin: wild ass guess, it is trying to unmount a filesystem that is in use by someething
[15:44] <cool_penguin> u saying that ssh is resonsible for the login screen??
[15:44] <user_> nemo: which host/guest combo do you run?
[15:44] <nemo> cool_penguin: naw, was just surprised you seemed unfamiliar with it :)
[15:44] <nemo> user_: ubuntu host, windows guest
[15:44] <nemo> the usual :)
[15:44] <nemo> user_: also, on one computer at work, windows host, windows guest (for test configs)
[15:45] <cool_penguin> I have been using Ubuntu just for the past year
[15:45] <nemo> user_: also have a windows host, ubuntu guest, but don't use it much
[15:45] <cool_penguin> i am still learning a lot
[15:45] <user_> nemo: i dont have win anymore
[15:45] <nemo> user_: for test machine, is most convenient.  allows me to also test the generic layout at work
[15:46] <nemo> user_: anyway. never had any sound problems :)
[15:46] <nemo> user_: what sound system are you using in host?
[15:46] <cool_penguin> nemo: I shall try unmounting using sudo /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp stop and see if the system shutdown
[15:46] <cool_penguin> shall report back in a few mins
[15:47] <user_> nemo: pulseaudio on hardy host
[15:47] <hardcore> whats the difference between the ubuntu beta release and candidate release?
[15:47] <nemo> user_: ah. ditto. hum.
[15:47] <gaelfx1> release candidate is younger
[15:48] <user_> nemo: how many vmachines do you run concurrently aprox?
[15:48] <Daekdroom> You shouldn't install beta if the RC is out.
[15:48] <hardcore> i installed beta, so that means i've eventually upgraded to release candidate, and will soon upgrade myself to official release?
[15:48] <nemo> user_: usually just 1
[15:48] <Daekdroom> Yes
[15:48] <nemo> user_: occasionally 2
[15:49] <filth> nemo: nemo@scratch.felinemenace.org?
[15:49] <nemo> no
[15:49] <filth> ah.
[15:49] <hardcore> so if i keep updating it will be official or do i need to install official release anyway?
[15:49] <user_> nemo: ok, i have more of them. enough host resource, but the code of vbox might not scale so well
[15:49] <Daekdroom> It'll be official, but to make sure you should run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:49] <hardcore> ok thanks
[15:49] <nemo> user_: ask in #vbox then ? :)
[15:50] <nemo> user_: granted, the devs are on german time, and are never around on weekends
[15:50] <hardcore> how do i view my system specs?
[15:50] <Daekdroom> Hm. Is there anything I can do if Ubuntu 8.10 boot hangs with a modprobe traceback? >.<
[15:50] <user_> nemo: guess what they have told me the other day: fix your ubnuntu first ala "ubuntu intrepid is devel software" ;-)
[15:51] <nemo> user_: is it choppy with just one running?
[15:52] <nemo> user_: you know the usual debug practice, subtract variables to isolate the problem :)
[15:52] <nemo> hardcore: which specs? :)
[15:52] <NET||abuse1> hmm, just got the wifi working on the eeepc 1000h, easy, just installed rt2860-modules and rt2860-dkms not sure if i needed both or not
[15:52] <NET||abuse1> so i didn't patch the kernel or anytyhing
[15:52] <user_> nemo: have done that few weeks before, trying again
[15:53] <hardcore> i found it thanks anyway
[15:54] <nemo> hardcore: oh good, 'cause personally, I was having a hard time finding the one I was thinking of
[15:54] <nemo> the gnome util to dump the entire device tree
[15:54] <matyy> i just removed some "old" libraries, now he removed tomboy and f-spot - ubuntu-desktop is installed, did they change this?
[15:54] <nemo> system monitor only seems to report memory/cpu
[15:55] <hardcore> is 1G ram and Pentium 4 3.06 GHz pretty good?
[15:55] <nemo> hardcore: I'd add more memory, memory is cheap
[15:55] <user_> nemo: no good, more than 1gb free RAM, still choppy, quite funny music, but not bearable on weekdays ;-)
[15:55] <hardcore> will it make a lot of difference in ubuntu?
[15:55] <nemo> user_: could try increasing audio buffer sizes in guest/host
[15:55] <matyy> no they are back after removing and installing ubuntu-desktop again
[15:56] <nemo> hardcore: depends on what you are running
[15:56] <nemo> hardcore: for something like XFCE4, hell no.
[15:56] <hardcore> i thought about adding more ram, but with the laptop lcd starting to fade and pixel out it may be a waste
[15:56] <nemo> hardcore: gnome + compiz + greedy apps like openoffice and googlearth and whatnot, yeah...
[15:56] <nemo> hardcore: ah. yeah. laptop screens are a pain to replace
[15:56] <nemo> hardcore: if it is old HW, could just use xubuntu
[15:57] <nemo> hardcore: although 1GiB should be fine
[15:57] <hardcore> maybe i'll just buy a new one in a few years then make sure the ram is like 4G or so
[15:57] <nemo> hardcore: heh. 4 is waaaay overkill
[15:57] <hardcore> really?
[15:57] <nemo> hardcore: I put an extra 2 in mine, for hell of it.
[15:57] <nemo> and even with compiz and gnome and 30 firefox tabs and whatnot, I never use more than half of it
[15:58] <hardcore> wouldn't 4 make it load in like 10 seconds to startup or something?
[15:58] <nemo> hardcore: but, on the other hand, linux will use the extra memory for file caching and lib caching
[15:58] <Daekdroom> hardcore: no
[15:58] <nemo> hardcore: sooo, more memory will mean a smoother experience
[15:58] <hardcore> oh ok
[15:58] <Daekdroom> hardcore: boot time will depend on HD speed and proc
[15:58] <nemo> hardcore: if you can afford it, put in as much memory as you want :)
[15:58] <Daekdroom> RAM too, but HD speed is what stalls it
[15:58] <hardcore> 4g would probably be needed to make vista run fast
[15:58] <hardcore> oh ok
[15:58] <nemo> hardcore: vista 32 bit cannot use more than 3 gigs or so
[15:59] <nemo> hardcore: has no PAE
[15:59] <pronoy_> if i want to download kubuntu 8.10 with a KDE 4.1 ?? where do i get it and is it stable ???
[15:59] <hardcore> whats pae?
[15:59] <Daekdroom> Something that makes possible 32bits system to use up to 64GB
[15:59] <nemo> hardcore: JFGI? :) anyway, Physical Address Extension
[15:59] <hardcore> for some reason kde isn't made for my system
[15:59] <nemo> is I believe the accronym
[15:59] <nemo> hardcore: what Daekdroom said
[15:59] <hardcore> hold on lemme chek
[15:59] <nemo> it does slow down memory somewhat due to the remapping needed, but not by a huge amount
[16:00] <nemo> hardcore: if you are memory limited more than CPU limited, PAE wins hands down
[16:00] <nemo> kicks ass on, say, 32 bit oracle
[16:00] <nemo> (oracle database)
[16:00] <pronoy_> nemo :if i want to download kubuntu 8.10 with a KDE 4.1 ?? where do i get it and is it stable ???
[16:00] <nemo> hardcore: um. KDE isn't made for your system? WTH?
[16:00] <Daekdroom> I forgot how many times I reinstalled 8.04 here.
[16:01] <nemo> pronoy_: I only use KDE on my gentoo box. sorry, no clue
[16:01] <nemo> pronoy_: but of course you can just, oh, install KDE from synaptic :)
[16:01] <nemo> Daekdroom: sounds like you're doing something wrong then ;)
[16:01] <bsnider> what happened to all of the opengl screensavers?
[16:01] <hardcore> for some reason in xfce dvds won't play
[16:01] <hardcore> but they play just fine in gnome
[16:01] <nemo> hardcore: what do you use to play DVDs?
[16:02] <pronoy_> nemo: already have kde 4.0.3 and trust me its one fscked up software...man don't ever download kde 4.0.3
[16:02] <Daekdroom> nemo: I like to do dangerous stuff with it :p But what frustrates me is that 8.10 fails to boot.
[16:02] <nemo> hardcore: personally, I'm sticking with ogle until one of the major players supports DVD menus
[16:02] <nemo> Daekdroom: heh. hope I don't have that problem. still downloading this thing
[16:02] <nemo> 418 of 1686
[16:02] <hardcore> totem-xine supports menus
[16:02] <Daekdroom> nemo: Apparently modprobe doesn't like my TV card module >.<
[16:02] <nemo> ok. wth doesn't ubuntu have an /etc/inittab ?
[16:03] <nemo> Daekdroom: interesting - ATI all in wonder?
[16:03] <hardcore> nemo go to add/remove, search totem codec, install all and xine and it should play menus fine
[16:03] <Daekdroom> Nah
[16:03] <Daekdroom> Saa7133/4
[16:04] <nemo> hardcore: heh. xine eh.  hrm.  will give that a shot I guess.
[16:04] <mnemoc> hi, where should one report bugs on a wifi driver?
[16:04] <nemo> hardcore: anyway, no DVD problems in xfce for me with ogle - apart from the sound system issue
[16:04] <nemo> hardcore: (flash loves to grab locks on sound that ogle OSS doesn't agree with)
[16:04] <Daekdroom> I have no idea of how to prevent ubuntu 8.10 from loading that, tho.
[16:05] <nemo> Daekdroom: blacklist of course
[16:05] <hardcore> flash never messed up my system
[16:05] <Daekdroom> I tried that
[16:05] <nemo> Daekdroom: um. that should always work
[16:06] <Daekdroom> Put blacklist saa7134 and blacklist saa7134-alsa on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[16:06] <Daekdroom> but it still tries to load o.o
[16:07] <gaelfx1> can someone else with bluetooth working help me for a second?
[16:07] <Daekdroom> I never found the file that specifies those modules should load. If I did, I could # the lines.
[16:07] <hardcore> i never really liked the official ubuntu wallpapers and colors, i always change them
[16:08] <nemo> Daekdroom: plenty of bug discussion on saa7134 :-/
[16:08] <nemo> "I also have two saa7134 cards, and they are also mapped to indices -1 and -2 in the alsa-base config file, where the snd-hda-intel driver is explicitly mapped to index 0."
[16:08] <hardcore> i don't even know what sas7104 means
[16:08] <nemo> and other funness
[16:08] <nemo> Daekdroom: oh well, my ATI all in wonder works great :D
[16:08] <Daekdroom> saa7134 is the module for saa7133 TV cards
[16:08] <hardcore> oh ok
[16:08] <Daekdroom> I never managed to make it work properly >.<
[16:09] <Daekdroom> when I did, it was locking OSS all for itself.
[16:09] <hardcore> so ya can't just plug it right into your tv and have it display?
[16:09] <nemo> Daekdroom: I've been thinking of getting one of those USB digital TV dongles for my S.O.'s laptop
[16:09] <nemo> wonder what the linux support is like for those
[16:09] <Daekdroom> hardcore: tv card as in card to make you able to watch TV? :p
[16:09] <Daekdroom> and rip, and all that stuff
[16:10] <hardcore> Daekdroom, oh you mean on your computer?
[16:10] <Daekdroom> yes
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: legacy sound systems *are* a hassle - like. some wine games require ESD, which doesn't play nice with flash either.
[16:10] <nemo> actually, flash is just a hassle with any OSS sound for some reason
[16:10] <hardcore> Daekdroom, is that like cable, but free?
[16:11] <nemo> oh well. I usually block that buggy POS unless I'm visiting youtube
[16:11] <Daekdroom> hardcore: Nah. It's a card that let you plug in a TV input (cable, too). You can watch it through something like mythtv or tvtime
[16:12] <gaelfx1> can someone with working bluetooth please tell me if "ps -ae | grep sdpd" returns anything on their machine?
[16:12] <hardcore> in kde should i select the gdm or the kdm display manager?
[16:12] <Daekdroom> nemo: time to feel dumb!
[16:12] <hardcore> oh ok
[16:12] <nemo> Daekdroom: hm?
[16:12] <Daekdroom> nemo: I blacklisted saa7134-alsa and not saa7134_alsa xD
[16:12] <nemo> haha
[16:13] <nemo> Daekdroom: wonder though if your main issue can be solve with some sort of screwing around with remapping like that other dude was doing
[16:13] <nemo> frankly, I have no clue why your card is mucking up though
[16:13] <Daekdroom> saa7134 caused trouble with HAL in early 8.04
[16:13] <Tominator> hi!
[16:13] <Daekdroom> I'm not surprised it screwed up 8.10
[16:14] <Tominator> I've got a problem with the restricted drivers manager... (intrepid rc)... It showed my nvidia geforce ti 4400 before I updated everything... now it doesn't show it anymore...
[16:15] <Tominator> what could be the reason for that?
[16:15] <gaelfx1> can anyone read this?
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> gaelfx1: yes
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> Tominator: the drivers for your card don't work with the latest X server
[16:15] <gaelfx1> thanks
[16:15] <nemo> JontheEchidna: oh reaaallly
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> yes, the legacy 96.x drivers don't work with the latest xord
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> *xorg
[16:16] <hardcore> oh ok
[16:16] <Tominator> JontheEchidna: what? why? is there a solution for that or will I have to stick to hardy?
[16:16] <hardcore> in kde should i select the gdm or the kdm display manager?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> Tominator: nvidia has to update them
[16:17] <nemo> JontheEchidna: GeForce 7300 LE <- mine - will it have trouble once I update?
[16:17] <Tominator> JontheEchidna: oh okay... I hope they will... will ubuntu update the package then?
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> nemo: nah, you should be fine
[16:17] <nemo> ah. good times
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> Tominator: I'd hope so
[16:17] <hardcore> whats the difference between gdm and kdm?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> hardcore: gdm is gnome's log in tool, kdm is kde's. you can log into either desktop from either *dm
[16:19] <mnemoc> how can one know which rates are supported by a driver? it should be 54M, it's initialized as 1M... and only 11M was accepted when using sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M   :(
[16:19] <hardcore> oh so the functionality after ya log in is the same? i opted to skip logging in with user name/password
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> from gdm or kdm you can choose whether you want to log in to gnome or kde
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't really matter which one you use
[16:20] <nemo> hardcore: then there's xdm... :)
[16:20] <Daekdroom> Use gdm if gnome and kdm if kde. It'll not load extra libraries
[16:20] <nemo> hardcore: my wimpy laptop still uses that.
[16:21] <nemo> hardcore: can look darn pretty with a little theme work
[16:21] <nemo> 800 of 1686 - download is progressing well. another reason to avoid the rush, next week.
[16:22] <hardcore> is xdm xfce login?
[16:22] <nemo> hardcore: just generic x
[16:22] <hardcore> never used it
[16:22] <nemo> very very lightweight.  laptop  I use it on only has 96MiB of memory
[16:23] <Daekdroom> I'm o
[16:23] <Daekdroom> wrong channel o.o
[16:24] <tsedreyt> Hey guys, I have a question about sound stuff
[16:24] <Daekdroom> Shoot it. We'll answer if we can
[16:24] <tsedreyt> I have sound of the crappy thinkpad speakers, but when I plug something into the headphone jack
[16:24] <tsedreyt> I get nothing
[16:25] <nemo> tsedreyt: check to see if that channel is muted?
[16:25] <tsedreyt> How would I do that?
[16:25] <nemo> tsedreyt: in the gnome mixer or alsa mixer
[16:25] <nemo> or kde mixer
[16:25] <nemo> or any mixer
[16:26] <nemo> tsedreyt: one decent starting point for any sound problem is firing up alsamixer and just unmuting and maxing volume on all channels :D
[16:26] <nemo> tsedreyt: then work back from there
[16:26] <tsedreyt> I think I am using pulseaudio
[16:26] <tsedreyt> I think
[16:26] <nemo> tsedreyt: that's just a sound server
[16:26] <tsedreyt> okay, I'm totally oblivious to anything sound related
[16:26] <nemo> tsedreyt: makes up for crappiness of sound cards
[16:27] <nemo> tsedreyt: and simplifies some ops like streaming
[16:27] <nemo> and supposedly has a nicer arch - dunno. haven't really tried coding to it at all
[16:27] <Daekdroom> and is unstable too. coming with latency.
[16:27] <nemo> tsedreyt: I do know that I'd have fewer sound issues if my sound card wasn't so crappy :-/  on my todo list is replacing this one with a cheap soundblaster card
[16:27] <tsedreyt> nemo: so where is this mixer?
[16:28] <tsedreyt> sound preferences?
[16:28] <nemo> tsedreyt: open a command prompt and type alsamixer
[16:28] <nemo> tsedreyt: or doubleclick on the gnome volume control to try that mixer
[16:28] <Daekdroom> I think my hda_intel onboard is the only thing that's good aobut this comp xD
[16:28] <Daekdroom> *about
[16:28] <nemo> tsedreyt: you might need to enable channels that are hidden by default in the gnome mixer
[16:28] <nemo> Daekdroom: you're kidding right?
[16:28] <Daekdroom> It never got me any problem.
[16:29] <nemo> Daekdroom: those cards don't have any HW mixing
[16:29] <nemo> Daekdroom: at least, they didn't use to
[16:29] <nemo> Daekdroom: sooo, has to be done by sound layer
[16:29] <Daekdroom> Still worth more than my ATI RC410
[16:29] <Daekdroom> Or my USB modem
[16:29] <nemo> at least, that's my understanding for why I get locking issues with intel sound cards, and never with soundblaster
[16:29] <nemo> Daekdroom: I get all my information from more knowledgeable a/v geeks :)
[16:29] <tsedreyt> okay, I got that nemo
[16:30] <nemo> Daekdroom: with my SB card I've nebver once had to care about what sound system I'm using
[16:30] <nemo> OSS, alsa, esd, pulseaudio - everything always worked
[16:30] <nemo> never any locking issues with driver since it could just throw bytes at the card it seems
[16:30] <Daekdroom> Well. There are people without any linux compatibility at all.
[16:30] <nemo> Daekdroom: fortunately fewer these days
[16:31] <gaelfx> ok, I just tried to setup my bluetooth mouse, and it said the setup completed successfully, but it doesn't actually work, can someone help me?
[16:31]  * nemo has never once used bluetooth. ever :-/
[16:31] <tsedreyt> nemo: I don't know if this helps, but when I fired up amarok for it said xine was unable to load any audio drivers
[16:31] <chowmeined> if i modify mount options for the root filesystem in /etc/fstab the changes dont get propagated to the initramfs when doing update-initramfs -u -k all, is there some other place where you need to specify these modifications?
[16:31] <Daekdroom> My locking issues came from my TV card (which I'm too lazy to open the comp case to route it by hard) and wine.
[16:31] <nemo> tsedreyt: ah. seems unlikely to be related if you have *any* sound working
[16:31] <nemo> tsedreyt: I'm still going with the muted channel theory
[16:32] <nemo> tsedreyt: that other one seems to me you are just missing some deps
[16:32] <nemo> Daekdroom: I'm sure I could probably work around mine with a little patience
[16:32] <nemo> Daekdroom: but, I wouldn't have to if I had a non-crappy card
[16:33] <nemo> Daekdroom: in your case, are you using alsa or esd in wine? me, I have to use esd for some games :-/
[16:33] <Daekdroom> ALSA
[16:33] <Daekdroom> ESD didn't work either
[16:34] <nemo> Daekdroom: well, for ESD to work I usually have to shut down firefox ('cause flash probably grabbed a lock)
[16:34] <tsedreyt> okay sad for me, no sound at all now.
[16:34] <nemo> tsedreyt: what did you do?
[16:34] <tsedreyt> opened amarok?
[16:34] <djhash> so.. my XOrg seems to think my laptop doesn't have a screen!! it worked fine with ubuntu 8.04.. I have Intel 830MG
[16:34] <nemo> tsedreyt: ... no sound only in amarok, or in things that worked before?
[16:34] <tsedreyt> no sound anywhere
[16:35] <jAk> I've just upgraded to 8-10 from 8.04, the whole process took almost 3hours... it finished. When i login to either kernals, it just freezes. Anybody experiance this?
[16:35] <xukun> is there a way to use alsa instead of pulseaudio. its causing me big problems for me when I play video
[16:35] <nemo> tsedreyt: some app you launched probably has a lock on sound system.
[16:35] <nemo> tsedreyt: shut 'em all down, or log out, log back in. whatever.
[16:36] <tsedreyt> no luck
[16:37] <tsedreyt> when I go to sound preferences to check my sound, now I get, audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Failed to connect: Connection refused
[16:37] <nemo> tsedreyt: something has a lock :-p
[16:37] <tsedreyt> yuck, I have no idea
[16:37] <tsedreyt> pidgin?
[16:37] <nemo> $ fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0* USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[16:37] <nemo> /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   nemo      20127 F...m firefox
[16:38] <Daekdroom> did you try rebooting?
[16:38] <nemo> tsedreyt: see - every time I play flash, a lock is grabbed
[16:38] <nemo> tsedreyt: is super annoying - I wish flash supported pulseaudio :(
[16:38] <tsedreyt> how do I figure that out?
[16:38] <Daekdroom> Theres a lib that fixes it, nemo
[16:38] <Daekdroom> libflash-support
[16:38] <Daekdroom> or something like that
[16:38] <nemo> I could probably work around that by careful configuration since most everything uses alsa these days
[16:38] <nemo> and I can do the software mixing there, even for pulseaudio stuff
[16:39] <nemo> there's even an alsa oss wrapper for the OSS stuff
[16:39] <nemo> and esd can use alsa too
[16:39] <nemo> but, I just don't bother. I just make sure I shut down firefox
[16:39] <nemo> (if I used flash)
[16:39] <nemo> and of course, make a mental note to shell out $10 for a non-crappy SB card
[16:40] <nemo> Daekdroom: btw. here's a fun one - you can keep the sound lock even after shutting down firefox if you open a PDF :-/
[16:40] <tsedreyt> nemo: how do I find out if there is a lock?
[16:40] <Daekdroom> O.o
[16:40] <Daekdroom> wth?
[16:40] <nemo> Daekdroom: firefox hands off all its open handles to the helper apps, since it thinks they might need them
[16:40] <nemo> Daekdroom: so, just something to watch out for
[16:40] <nemo> Daekdroom: you launch flash, it grabs a lock, you click on a pdf, firefox launches document viewer, boom
[16:41] <Daekdroom> lol
[16:41] <nemo> there was a mozilla bug on it - I should see if they found a solution
[16:41] <jAk> is this the right channel to try and resolve issues with 8-10?
[16:41] <nemo> tsedreyt: dude. I just friggen pasted a command
[16:41] <nemo> tsedreyt: 'course, you might want to do fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
[16:41] <nemo> since your names might be different
[16:45] <tsedreyt> nemo: I don't think I am understanding the command right
[16:46] <nemo> Daekdroom: another fun sound lock bug found while browsing for the the one I described  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55283
[16:48] <nemo> Daekdroom: http://timesinker.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-does-evince-open-audio-device.html  - description of the problem.
[16:49] <nemo> Daekdroom: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659 - still needs fixing though :-/  - but, a tricky one to fix.
[16:49] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[16:50] <Daekdroom> All those related to pulseaudio or not only pulesaudio?
[16:50] <jAk> Is there any help for trying to get 8-10 to work on my pc, since i upgraded today.. it freezes when i login... Just need to know?
[16:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: no. the source of this problem is multiple sound systems and crappy sound cards that *only* use software mixing
[16:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: in a sense, this is a reflection of the trend to offloading all the work on the operating system
[16:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: similar to the winmodem thing
[16:51] <nemo> Daekdroom: the best solution is to buy a non-crappy sound card with HW mixing like an SB card
[16:51] <nemo> Daekdroom: they are only like $10 - only reason I haven't done it on this ubuntu box is laziness.
[16:51] <Daekdroom> What's next? Will they put 3D back to software? o.o
[16:51] <Daekdroom> $10 where you live.. They're very expensive here.
[16:52] <nemo> jAk: freezes after you type your username and password?
[16:52] <nemo> Daekdroom: where do you live?
[16:52] <Daekdroom> Brazil
[16:52] <nemo> huh.
[16:52] <nemo> I thought they had a good HW market and not-too-evil tariffs
[16:52] <nemo> Daekdroom: plus, SB16 cards are like 10 years old
[16:52] <nemo> should be able to get 'em cheap used
[16:52] <nemo> or SB32
[16:52] <jAk> yes nemo, it took almost 3 hours to upgrade, and when i select any kernals from the menu none will work...
[16:53] <Daekdroom> The problem is that not only the import taxes and money convertion (which is about 2,20 and then 70%), they make everything too expensive
[16:53] <webmaren> running kubuntu 8.10 KDE 4 and my taskbars get all messed up when I run certain applications, anybody know of a fix for this
[16:53] <nemo> jAk: ok. but, point is, it only freezes when you log in, if you leave it at the GDM screen it is fine?
[16:53] <nemo> jAk: if so, that will make getting in to debug a lot easier
[16:54] <jAk> Nemo : it loads ok, and askes for my username/password, then loads with orange screen and freezes... cursor pointer can be moved but nothing else happens
[16:54] <nemo> Daekdroom: http://www.pricewatch.com/sound_cards/pci.htm  $7 :)
[16:54] <nemo> jAk: ok. no worries.
[16:55] <Daekdroom> Woah. But I doubt I'd find used sound cards around here
[16:55] <nemo> jAk: something it is trying to launch is hanging up - for all I know, compiz.
[16:55] <crimsun> Daekdroom: libflashsupport is obsolete.  We forcibly remove it in 8.10 if you install flashplugin-nonfree.
[16:55] <nemo> jAk: do you know your way around a command prompt?
[16:55] <Daekdroom> crimsun: but I think he was talking about 8.04
[16:55] <jAk> Nemo, yes
[16:56] <frosterrj> why won't a launcher launch from my panel?  Made a gedit icon with sudo /usr/bin/gedit in command line, type is application, but nothing happens when clicked
[16:56] <nemo> jAk: switch to VT1 then and see if anything is being written to .xsession-errors for a start
[16:56] <nemo> jAk: do you recall if you had compiz enabled by default?
[16:56] <nemo> frosterrj: gksudo :-p
[16:57] <jAk> compiz was enabled by default nemo
[16:57] <Daekdroom> 8.10 was the first version where I had compiz in live CD
[16:57] <nemo> frosterrj: your question was a bit misleadingly worded. should have said "why won't a *sudo* launcher launch" :)
[16:57] <frosterrj> nemo: thanks!  that did it.
[16:57] <nemo> frosterrj: if you want to use sudo you can of course whitelist certain apps to not require a password
[16:57] <frosterrj> ok... sorry.  kde guy here...
[16:58] <nemo> frosterrj: hah. same problem in kde dude :-p
[16:59] <frosterrj> yeah, but i use kdesu in that case.  Only real experience with sudo is in ubuntu.
[16:59] <nemo> frosterrj: right. well. kdesu is about equal to gksudo
[16:59] <nemo> frosterrj: and if you've used kdesu you'd know the issue is a graphical prompt ;)
[16:59] <frosterrj> didnt realize there was a gksudo!
[16:59] <Daekdroom> kdesu is more like gksu
[16:59] <frosterrj> gksu that is
[17:00] <nemo> actually, on my list-of-things-to-do is write a wrapper for virtualbox so their linux install of guest additions is less counter-intuitive
[17:00] <webmaren> anybody know about the bug where KDE4 panels get all funky looking in the presence of certain applications
[17:00] <frosterrj> since all the cli stuff is sudo based
[17:00] <nemo> IMO it should detect if not run as root, look for most likely graphical wrappers to sudo, and failing that, try a graphical alert if DISPLAY is set
[17:00] <frosterrj> anyone one know what apt sources have the vmware debs?
[17:01] <nemo> vbox! :)
[17:01] <Novell> frosterrj: the bundle works fine on 8.10
[17:01] <frosterrj> i installed it, but now need to get a tinyxp image to install since im running intrepid on aspire one 8gb ssd
[17:02] <Novell> frosterrj: and what is the problem ?
[17:03] <frosterrj> only had bad experiences with vbox.  more familiar with vmware.
[17:04] <mnemoc> there is any ubuntu-way to get rt2400 legacy drivers instead of the broken rt2x00?
[17:06] <Novell> frosterrj: http://www.vmware.com/download/download.do?downloadGroup=WKST-650-LX
[17:10] <olegb> hum, seems the latest updates took out wifi on my eee900 :-(
[17:13] <lwolf> hi
[17:14] <lwolf> i've got problems with my mouse: i can not focus windows using click. The bug is random and appear after some time once loggued
[17:14] <lwolf> although it seems that it is linked to xinerama and that xchat shorten the apparition time
[17:14] <nemo> lwolf: using compiz?
[17:15] <lwolf> nemo, no, not with xinerama (2 21" + 1 19")
[17:15] <lwolf> (nvidia 177 drivers )
[17:15] <nemo> lwolf: ah. I'm out of ideas then - my weird WM bugs have all been compiz related
[17:15] <lwolf> humm...
[17:15] <lwolf> witch window manager is a good replacement to metacity ?
[17:16] <lwolf> i think it is a metacity bug
[17:16] <lwolf> s/witch/which/
[17:16] <nemo> heh. dunno. I've only used either one of the two compiz WMs, or metacity these days
[17:17] <lwolf> i'll go for fluxbox... heard of it recently
[17:18] <lwolf> ok... not  a metacity bug.........
[17:19] <lwolf> and probably not a evdev bug unless evdev manage ExplorerPS/2 mouse too....
[17:19] <lwolf> arge
[17:20] <lwolf> "Help us, Ubu ntu Kenobi, your are our only hope"
[17:20] <nemo> lwolf: are you sure it is just focusing that is broken, or maybe all clicking?
[17:20] <lwolf> nemo, all clicking
[17:20] <lwolf> mouse move but no click
[17:20] <nemo> ah. that's a different matter
[17:20] <nemo> anything in Xorg log?
[17:20] <nemo> lwolf: also. do you have a synaptic touchpad?
[17:20] <lwolf> nemo, no synaptic
[17:20] <nemo> lwolf: darn
[17:20] <lwolf> i come back once i get metacity back
[17:20] <lwolf> exit
[17:21] <mnemoc> how can one know what "touchpad" one has?
[17:21] <mnemoc> (mine doesn't work, toshiba satellite notebook)
[17:21] <lwolf> re
[17:22] <lwolf> nemo, well in Xorg, i've something like "AUDIT: X: client 4 rejected from local host"
[17:22] <lwolf> but i think it may be linked to my try with fluxbox
[17:23] <nemo> lwolf: two things
[17:23] <nemo> 1) try switching to a vt and clicking around in there, then back
[17:23] <jAk> i can't find xsession-errors? does that mean i don;t have one?
[17:24] <nemo> 2) (and this one, I'm not sure how it works in X11 these days - try ditching the combined /dev/input/mice in favour of the one specific to your pointer
[17:24] <nemo> s/days/days)/
[17:24] <lwolf> nemo, 1) no luck
[17:24] <nemo> jAk: .xsession-errors
[17:24] <nemo> jAk: I specifically said "." :-p
[17:25] <lwolf> nemo, hum... 2)  too much of a pain for the moment, if next saturday the bug is still there will see :)
[17:25] <nemo> heh
[17:25] <nemo> lwolf: (2) solved my issues, but they were synaptic related. just throwing it out there.
[17:25] <lwolf> nemo, was looking for a quick fix
[17:25] <lwolf> nemo, thank you
[17:25] <nemo> lwolf: (1) did help me in past, dunno why, 'sactly.
[17:25] <lwolf> but i think my issues are xinerama related
[17:26] <lwolf> nemo, (1) force X to "redetect" mouse... It is helpfull with ps2 mouse
[17:26] <lwolf> :)
[17:26] <nemo> lwolf: heh. glad you know why.
[17:27] <nemo> lwolf: although my mouse was usb
[17:27] <lwolf> anyway, thank you for your help
[17:27] <lwolf> i'll fallback to my laptop
[17:27] <nemo> just hanging out here answering as best I can until this download finishes
[17:27] <nemo> 400 packages to go
[17:27] <lwolf> lol
[17:28] <lwolf> at least i was able to make my 3 screen display work this week end, the mouse click problem is a little drawback :)
[17:28] <Hoover_4000> hello
[17:28] <lwolf> now, there is only mouse and SLI to get to work
[17:28] <lwolf> bye
[17:28] <Volkodav> are they going to upgrade OOo to 3.0 version
[17:29] <Volkodav> anytime soon ?
[17:33] <djhash> awesome.. I'm watching my intrepid.. boot.. and I get an error.. no screen found?!!!!
[17:33] <nemo> Volkodav: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-0-in-Ubuntu-8-10-96449.shtml
[17:33] <Volkodav> saw that
[17:33] <nemo> Volkodav: well then :-p
[17:34] <nemo> "ey will introduce it later this year"
[17:34] <Volkodav> but every upgrade it wants to delete debian menu package
[17:34] <nemo> they
[17:34] <Volkodav> and all og open office
[17:34] <nemo> Volkodav: pretty sure you can override certain package upgrades
[17:34] <nemo> permanently
[17:34] <Volkodav>  yeah - will have to do it
[17:34] <nemo> unfortunately can't doublecheck that since I'm in the middle of aforementioned update
[17:34] <Volkodav> I masked them in gentoo
[17:35] <nemo> Volkodav: gentoo is now on 3.0
[17:35] <Volkodav> they must be something similar here
[17:35] <amrik> i think a recent update came in that fixed the bug with scim yay im so happy
[17:40] <eth_> My Logitech MX 5500 Revolution desktop set does not work in Ubuntu 8.10 RC after I installed all the available updates. Does anyone know why?
[17:40] <eth_> It's connected via USB.
[17:40] <eth_> My PS2 keyboard works fine.
[17:41] <amrik> eth_: forgive me for asking but what is a mx 5500 desktop set?
[17:43] <eth_> Keyboard and mouse.
[17:43] <eth_> From Logitech
[17:43] <eth_> It worked fine during installation and before the updates.
[17:44] <nemo> Any interesting errors in dmesg?
[17:45] <eth_> No, and lsusb says that the usb receiver is connected.
[17:48] <nemo> eth_: ... and nothing in Xorg log?
[17:49] <bluefox83> i just started running an update in intrepid, and the left half of my taskbar is absolutely useless...
[17:50] <eth_> It says "Cannot locate a core keyboard device".
[17:50] <bluefox83> i can't bring up anything that was running at the time that i startet the update
[17:50] <bluefox83> *started
[17:50] <eth_> And something about HAL.
[17:51] <nemo> eth_: mind posting it?
[17:52] <eth_> (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of unput devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyIn.
[17:52] <eth_> unput = input
[17:53] <eth_> I have to write in on my laptop because I don't have a PS2 mouse.
[17:53] <eth_> in = it *
[17:54] <eth_> Also, my USB keyboard does not work while booting.
[17:54] <eth_> If that has anything to do with it.
[17:54] <eth_> It has never worked while booting.
[17:55] <nemo> eth_: I was thinking more you uploading your entire Xorg log to a pastebin
[17:55] <eth_> If I boot into Windows XP the keybord and mouse work.
[17:55] <nemo> eth_: which would not have required typing anything, nor, really, use of a mouse
[17:56] <eth_> Hold on a few minutes while I upload it.
[17:56] <nemo> eth_: and similar with dmesg actually
[17:56] <nemo> just looking for clues
[18:00] <bigfox> Any word on when Joysticks will work correctly with Intrepid 64bit?
[18:00] <eth_> http://pastebin.com/m26d4b540 is dmesg.
[18:01] <eth_> http://pastebin.com/m673f3f5f is Xorg log.
[18:02]  * nemo reads
[18:02] <eth_> I just plugged in my old IntelliMouse and its working fine. It's also USB. Weird.. :s
[18:03] <nemo> eth_: 375-379 of dmesg in that pastebin - that's the devices you are talking about, right?
[18:04] <nemo> eth_: does the device listed in that dmesg pastebin show up in ls -l /dev/input/by-path/*mouse  ?
[18:04] <eth_> Yes, those lines.
[18:05] <eth_> I'll check.
[18:05] <nemo> hm. the Xorg log does mention the device too
[18:05] <nemo> (II) config/hal: Adding input device Logitech Logitech BT Mini-Receiver
[18:05] <eth_> Yes, it says that it configures the mouse and keyboard etc.
[18:05] <eth_> In the log.
[18:05] <nemo> #
[18:05] <nemo> (II) Logitech Logitech BT Mini-Receiver: Configuring as mouse
[18:05] <nemo> #
[18:05] <nemo> (II) Logitech Logitech BT Mini-Receiver: Configuring as keyboard
[18:05] <nemo> yep
[18:05] <nemo> sorry for pasting the bullets
[18:06] <nemo> stupid pastebin.com
[18:06] <eth_> It also shows up in /dev/input/by-path/*mouse
[18:07] <nemo> eth_: hm. with some input devices switching from hid to old, oh, whatsitcalled...
[18:07]  * nemo forgets
[18:07] <nemo> anyway, helps
[18:08] <eth_> This is weird... usually my front usb ports do not work.
[18:08] <nemo> eth_: is this a wireless USB mouse?
[18:08] <eth_> Now they work with the receiver.
[18:08] <eth_> Yes.
[18:08] <eth_> Keyboard and mouse works in the front ports.
[18:08] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/99118
[18:08] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-549764.html
[18:08] <nemo> eth_: plugging/unplugging supposedly helps
[18:09] <Pedrolito> I just installed the RC version of intrepid. Will I need to reinstall it when the final version comes out, or will regular updates suffice?
[18:09] <nemo> eth_: which could explain why moving it worked for you
[18:09] <eth_> I've tried that 100 times in the rear ports before.
[18:09] <nemo> eth_: could try that old input module instead of hid core, if I could remember the name of it
[18:09] <mercutio22> Hello
[18:10] <eth_> Okay, well thanks for the help. :)
[18:10] <eth_> Now everything works after I switched rear-front-rear.
[18:10] <nemo> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/27/257
[18:10] <nemo> eth_: trying.  haven't even completed my 8.10 update yet :)
[18:10] <nemo> 1662 of 1686
[18:11] <eth_> :)
[18:11] <Pedrolito> anyone?
[18:11] <nemo> Pedrolito: regular updates will suffice
[18:12] <Pedrolito> great! thanks
[18:12] <eth_> A thing worth noticing is that the bluetooth icon next to the date and time in he top right disappeard after unplug/replug.
[18:12] <eth_> The receiver is a bluetooth usb dongle.
[18:12] <nemo> eth_: that last kernel mailing list entry seemed to be blaming a particular program
[18:13] <eth_> I.e. the keyboard and mouse connect to the dongle via bluetooth.
[18:13] <nemo> eth_: I got to the bug #99118 just by googling on that weirdness in your Xorg log though
[18:13] <mercutio22> There's a minor annoying bug that hasn't been fixed in ibex. Is anyone else using an external firewire hard drive here?
[18:13] <nemo> mercutio22: heh. you must be an interesting intersection :)
[18:13] <nemo> free software and expensive Apple HW ;)
[18:14] <FFForever> what is a good break program that locks me outta my system for 5-10 mins after every 60mins?
[18:15] <mercutio22> No, I use Dell
[18:16] <nemo> FFForever: do you use gnome?
[18:16] <ripps> Yo, what's up y'al
[18:16] <FFForever> nemo yeah :)
[18:17] <nemo> FFForever: System->Preferences->Keyboard->Typing Break
[18:18] <FFForever> nemo type of test settings?
[18:18] <nemo> FFForever: that's unrelated
[18:18] <nemo> FFForever: that's just 'cause other tabs have keyboard change stuff
[18:18] <FFForever> kool :)
[18:18] <nemo> and it is type "to"
[18:18] <nemo> :-p
[18:19] <FFForever> nemo i was thinking of writing a program that locks gnome but first changes my password for the set time then changes it back :)
[18:19] <FFForever> and auto unlocking gnome :D
[18:19] <nemo> FFForever: if you have that little willpower, that's pretty sad :-p
[18:19] <nemo> FFForever: could be trivially written as a 4 line shell script though
[18:19] <rhsanborn> I just read an article on Ibex and it has exactly what I've been looking for (better bluetooth and mobile internet support). I know it's coming out in 5 days, but is there really much risk in upgrading a little early?
[18:20] <nemo> rhsanborn: not that much as far as I'm concerned.  I'm doing it now to beat the rush
[18:20] <FFForever> nemo its not will power its just some times i really get into programming and yeah thats not good :P
[18:20] <nemo> rhsanborn: any bug will get pushed out whether you upgrade early or not
[18:20] <nemo> FFForever: I don't get into the break thing personally
[18:20] <nemo> FFForever: I used to get repetitive stress, but I eventually figured out that was the keyboard and not the mouse
[18:21] <nemo> (or, using the keyboard for games which does involve small repeated movements
[18:21] <rhsanborn> I think I will as well. I've been bugged trying to get internet via bluetooth or usb cable through ym phone
[18:21] <nemo> )
[18:21] <nemo> FFForever: so, now I just use the right hand for mouse at home, and left for mouse at work.
[18:21] <nemo> FFForever: another way to force breaks - drink lots of coffee ;)
[18:21] <Luke> does ibex still use ntp for the time? my time is off and doesn't seem to be fixing itself
[18:22] <nemo> Luke: should - do you run a local time server, or just use the pool?
[18:22] <FFForever> nemo coffee is nasty :)
[18:22] <Luke> nemo: pool
[18:22] <nemo> FFForever: coffee is good for you :-p
[18:22] <Luke> nemo: just seems there are no GUI settings for the ntp stuff anymore?
[18:23] <nemo> FFForever: main source of antioxidants for north americans, not to mention the benefit to neural dendrite growth
[18:23] <FFForever> no it stunts ur growth :(
[18:23] <nemo> FFForever: I'm all done growing
[18:23] <FFForever> i have hopes of growing taller :)
[18:23] <FFForever> i doubt it but it is worth the hope :D
[18:23] <nemo> Luke: probably got rearranged. I'm in middle of installing right now.  if you don't find it, I probably will in, oh, about an hour :)
[18:23] <Luke> nemo: i've heard coffee was good for you too... up to 6 cups.
[18:23] <Luke> nemo: kk =)
[18:23] <nemo> Luke: I don't go over 3 cups
[18:23] <nemo> Luke: well, sometimes 4
[18:24] <Luke> i try not to but sometimes work gets long
[18:24] <FFForever> + why drink coffee if it does nothing to my system?
[18:24] <ripps> I hate the flavor and smell of coffee
[18:24] <nemo> FFForever: if it does nothing you're not drinking enough of it :)
[18:24] <FFForever> i don't get the energy most people get from drinking it :(
[18:24] <nemo> ripps: you just need to get properly addicted :D
[18:24] <Luke> haha
[18:24] <FFForever> namo i drank a whole pot one day in an hour and a half....
[18:24] <nemo> FFForever: how you drink coffee impacts the effect
[18:24] <ripps> I'll just drink diet mountain dew
[18:24] <nemo> FFForever: yes. that's the wrong way to drink it
[18:24] <nemo> FFForever: you need to sip it
[18:25] <FFForever> lol :P
[18:25] <FFForever> binge drinking for the win :)
[18:25] <nemo> FFForever: good way to OD
[18:25] <nemo> as well as not stretching out the coffee rush
[18:25] <nemo> FFForever: but the effects are certainly subtle.
[18:26] <nemo> kind of coffee matters too
[18:26] <nemo> I looove my french roast in a french press  mmmmm
[18:26] <FFForever> starbucks :D
[18:26] <nemo> maximum coffee abuse
[18:26] <nemo> starbucks is too expensive for me
[18:26] <ripps> nemo: what coffee would you recommend for someone who doesn't like coffee
[18:27] <nemo> granted, french press was taking too long, nowdays I stick with my Keurig coffee maker and "emeril's big easy" brand kcups
[18:27] <FFForever> nemo same here but if i am going to drink coffee i might as well get the good stuff :)
[18:27] <nemo> they have best punch
[18:27] <nemo> ripps: tea? :)
[18:27] <nemo> FFForever: best coffee is coffee you make yourself :-p
[18:27] <ripps> lol, I guess I'll go drink some tea
[18:27] <nemo> ripps: white tea - yummy
[18:27] <nemo> lots of good stuff too
[18:28] <nemo> although of course black has more of a kick
[18:28] <nemo> green is a decent compromise, although I like the flavour of white better.
[18:28] <nemo> damn. only a quarter of way through upgrade, but all of a sudden my gnome menus got ridiculously quick
[18:28] <nemo> I wonder what got fixed
[18:30] <ripps> Did they start preloading menu icons?
[18:48] <bigfox> Any word on when Joysticks will work correctly with Intrepid 64bit?
[18:48] <scorch> anyone haveing Latency problems with the new network manager
[18:48] <scorch> ?
[18:49] <scorch> wireless
[18:49] <coppro> just connection problems
[18:49] <coppro> no latency issues to speak of :/
[18:49] <scorch> hrm
[18:50] <bigfox> I had to blow away the network Manager configuration files after upgrade to get network working.
[18:51] <coppro> bigfox: how?
[18:51] <scorch> I am having with wireless connection.  Connecting to an AP with the same SSID, and have the same problems I have ad before.  latency, but not as bad....     I edited the settings for the connection and specified the mac address of the AP as well
[18:52] <coppro> you can connect though?
[18:52] <scorch> yeah
[18:52] <coppro> you have one up on me then. I have to completely disable networkmanager to connect
[18:52] <scorch> damn
[18:54] <PerfectExodus> Afternoon! When I did a recent update, I can no longer connect to any wireless.  Setting the ESSID via ifconfig or iwconfig manually does not work.  There is a button that is greyed out that says "Auto eth0" and that wasnt there before.
[18:54] <PerfectExodus> Anyone have any suguestions?
[18:55] <coppro> try turning off networkmanager and trying again
[18:55] <coppro> that's what I have to do
[18:55] <PerfectExodus> How do I do that?
[18:56] <coppro> sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop
[18:56] <PerfectExodus> thanks
[18:56] <bigfox> coppro:  I had to delete everything in /etc/NetworkManager
[18:56] <coppro> then configure and connect manually
[18:56] <coppro> bigfox: that is safe?
[18:57] <bigfox> coppro:  probably not.
[18:57] <coppro> heh
[18:57] <coppro> I suppose I can zap it then reinstall or something
[18:57] <bigfox> coppro:  even then, I had to fight with it a bit longer to get it working.
[18:58] <coppro> how do I force debpkg to reinstall a package without killing all the dependencies?
[18:58] <coppro> actually, there's only 1 dependency
[18:58] <coppro> so I guess I'll go for it
[18:58] <PerfectExodus> is there a good writeup on manual wireless config?
[18:58] <coppro> the iwconfig manpage?
[18:59] <bigfox> coppro:  I use synaptic to mark package for reinstallation.
[18:59] <coppro> (don't forget to run dhclient afterwards)
[18:59] <PerfectExodus> coppro: why is it that the simple answers are generally best?
[18:59] <coppro> PerfectExodus: because they require less thinking for me
[18:59] <kansascanuck> Hello all.  How has the candidate release been working?  Is it stable enough to use daily on a Dell Inspiron 1420?
[18:59] <coppro> it better be
[19:00] <scorch> been ok for me
[19:00] <coppro> but there's been sound and networking issues
[19:00] <scorch> yeah thAT
[19:00] <coppro> the repos are locking in less than 48 hours though, so it better be pretty close to stable!
[19:00] <bigfox> kansascanuck:  are you planning on installing 32 bit or 64 bit?
[19:00] <kansascanuck> Is the best way to update my current Hardy release using Alt-F2?
[19:00] <kansascanuck> 32 bit
[19:01] <coppro> this will probably kill my wireless though
[19:01] <scorch> terminal>>update-manager -d
[19:01] <coppro> so talk to you guys later
[19:01] <bigfox> kansascanuck: should be fine then.  I haven't had many problems with 32 bit.
[19:01] <kansascanuck> if I update let's say today what advice would you give to me?
[19:01] <scorch> cross you fingers
[19:01] <scorch> and it take about an hour to update
[19:01] <bigfox> kansascanuck: backup your files first.
[19:01] <scorch> if u currently have ubuntu that is
[19:02] <coppro> nope :( networkmanager is still stupid
[19:02] <coppro> even after wiping /etc/NetworkManager
[19:02] <Turl> hi
[19:02] <kansascanuck> I do have hardy now.  Will it keep my current drivers and will I need to reset my icons and backgrounds and the like?  (I currently have Hardy looking like OSX)
[19:02] <Turl> is there any way to disable that "apt-xapian-index" thing?
[19:02] <scorch> what is Ad-Hoc?
[19:03] <coppro> scorch: another computer
[19:03] <Turl> scorch, Ad-Hoc is normally used for wifi connections, meaning from one pc to another
[19:03] <coppro> an ad-hoc network has no base point
[19:03] <scorch> ah
[19:03] <Turl> there's no router
[19:03] <coppro> whereas a managed network does (and the router will be in master mode)
[19:03] <scorch> what is system setting in network manager?
[19:03] <scorch> the checkbox?
[19:03] <scorch> i mean, the check box
[19:03] <Turl> it's for system-wide use
[19:03] <scorch> ah
[19:04] <Turl> all the users can connect to that wifi/eth/whatever
[19:04] <scorch> yeha
[19:04] <PerfectExodus> So im still not understanding something:  iwconfig lists wlan0 as "active" and ifconfig lists eth0 as "up" but thats it... should they not be the same.  Side note:  iwconfig also lists eth0 as "no wireless extention"
[19:04] <kansascanuck> ﻿I do have hardy now.  Will it keep my current drivers and will I need to reset my icons and backgrounds and the like?  (I currently have Hardy looking like OSX)
[19:04] <Turl> PerfectExodus, run iwconfig wlan0 and check the essid :p
[19:05] <scorch> kanas: it will change the background
[19:05] <scorch> kansas: but everything else will stay the same, or just be upgraded
[19:05] <PerfectExodus> Turl: when I do that, it gives me the essid I assigned
[19:05] <bigfox> kansascanuck: I don't know if it will keep your current look.  I have found driver support in Intrepid is better.
[19:06] <Turl> is it unencrypted, wep, wpa or what?
[19:06] <nemo> ripps: isn't so much icon loading, everything just seems snappier.
[19:06] <PerfectExodus> Turl: totally open at this point for testing..
[19:06] <scorch> what is the difference between the BSSID, and MAC address fields in network manager for network settings?
[19:06] <kansascanuck> bigfox:  I like my system looking like OSX but I am sure I get it looking like it again pretty quickly.  What is the best way to back up my system?
[19:06] <PerfectExodus> The machine I am on now is connected to the same network.
[19:06] <Turl> PerfectExodus, then if the essid is ok you need an ip, try with sudo dhclient wlan0
[19:07] <bigfox> Copy everything in your home folder to something else, like a thumb drive or dvd, or if it is very big, an external hard drive.
[19:07] <scorch> what is the difference between the BSSID, and MAC address fields in network manager for network settings?
[19:08] <PerfectExodus> Turl:  I get "send_packet: Network is down"
[19:08] <kansascanuck> Thanks bigfox.
[19:09] <Turl> PerfectExodus, mhm...
[19:09] <Turl> do you have dhcp on that wifi network?
[19:09] <ripps> Why is video playback so much better with the server kernel?
[19:09] <bigfox> kansascanuck:  that way, if anything go's wrong and the system is unbootable, you have your data at least.
[19:09] <PerfectExodus> Turl: yes, im gonna try with essid = any
[19:09] <Turl> PerfectExodus: any=disconnected ;)
[19:09] <bigfox> kansascanuck: backing that stuff up every so often is a good idea anyway.
[19:10] <FFForever> is there a ppa with amarok 2 beta?
[19:10] <PerfectExodus> Turl: Ah, then I read the man page wrong...
[19:11] <Turl> PerfectExodus, do you have a GUI on that PC?
[19:11] <PerfectExodus> Turl: yes
[19:11] <Turl> is it GNOME?
[19:11] <PerfectExodus> Turl: yes
[19:12] <Turl> do you have network-manager?
[19:12] <PerfectExodus> Turl: I disabled it for testing, as it wasn't working either
[19:12] <Turl> what card do you have?
[19:13] <PerfectExodus> Turl: Intel 3945
[19:13] <Turl> can you sudo lswh -C network ?
[19:14] <PerfectExodus> lswh not found
[19:15] <Turl> lshw, sorry
[19:15] <scorch> Turl: what is the difference between the BSSID, and MAC address fields in network manager for network settings?
[19:16] <PerfectExodus> AH! logical name is not wlan0, but wmaster-
[19:16] <PerfectExodus> *wmaster0
[19:17] <kempokempo> hello all, anyone got any advice on getting intel series 4 graphics working in 8.10? thanks
[19:17] <PerfectExodus> That doesnt work either, wmaster0 = no wireless extentions
[19:18] <PerfectExodus> is there a way to change the logical ID?
[19:18] <Turl> PerfectExodus, what driver was it using?
[19:18] <platius> what is the password that is being asked for to enter a WPA key?
[19:18] <Turl> scorch, I think bssid is the router's mac?
[19:19] <Turl> anyway, in my setup I left MAC empty and it works fine
[19:19] <PerfectExodus> Turl: it doesn't say, it does say however *-netowkr DISABLED... thats prolly not what I want
[19:20] <PerfectExodus> Correction, driver=iwl3945
[19:20] <ad_> hey, im having a problem with an intrepid upgrade.  When I click places and then try to select any folder in my /home an error appears stating unable to create CD/DVD /home/documents is not a valid disc image.  However I can open documents in the same folders with terminl
[19:20] <Turl> PerfectExodus, can you go to system->prefs->network config?
[19:20] <PerfectExodus> Yes
[19:21] <ad_> it may have something to do with the upgrade not installing ubuntulooks for some reason, when i go to install this package it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop so dont fancy running it
[19:22] <Turl> try enabling it and setting your essid there
[19:22] <angusthefuzz> ad_: there is a bug report filed for what you are describing
[19:22] <Turl> ad_, no problem removing ubuntu-desktop
[19:22] <Turl> it's a metapackage
[19:22] <Turl> you can reinstall it later
[19:22] <PerfectExodus> Turl:  I can't.  There is no option.
[19:24] <M4rotku> does anyone know if Intrepid fixes the hibernate suspend problems?
[19:24] <ad_> ok so there is no way of fixing the issue with not being able to use the places menu yet
[19:25] <ad_> and also installed ubunutlooks now it says this theme will not look as intended because the required GTK+ theme engine is not isntalled yet i just installed it
[19:25] <Turl> PerfectExodus, you mean, the wifi card isn't listed?
[19:25] <PerfectExodus> yes
[19:25] <ad_> will a fresh install solve the issue?
[19:26] <angusthefuzz> ad_: see bug reports #287917, #284722 and #287052 perhaps you can confirm one of them
[19:26] <Turl> PerfectExodus, no idea then :S
[19:26] <PerfectExodus> Thanks anyway... I'll play with it some more later.
[19:27] <ad_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/287052
[19:28] <ad_> that sounds riught but it comes up with a disc program
[19:28] <ad_> hey, im having a problem with an intrepid upgrade.  When I click places and then try to select any folder in my /home an error appears stating unable to create CD/DVD /home/documents is not a valid disc imag
[19:28] <ad_> will a fresh install not fix this
[19:30] <ad_> i can live with using nautilus for a while anyway but just stumped to why i get the error in themes menu about the theme will now be as intended because the required GTK+ engine is not installed
[19:31] <larsemil> hmm i dont get my ubuntu mobile image to be bootable after dd
[19:35] <hollunder> hi there. Is empathy the default IM-client now?
[19:36] <hollunder> If so, it would be nice to know if it is compiled with VoIP support
[19:39] <samuraipenguin> Hi all... i've got a system installed with the 8.10 beta, and i'm having issues installing atheros wifi drivers.  I can't find the ath5k .deb, and i cant find kernel headers for my kernel to compile it myself(2.6.27-4).
[19:42] <samuraipenguin> any ideas on where i can find the correct headers?  I dont' want to try installing a new kernel by hand...
[19:42] <jameswf> they do not come dwn as part of buile-essential
[19:42] <jameswf> *build
[19:43] <legend2440> no floppy suport in intrepid?
[19:43] <samuraipenguin> I don't have a wired connection to use to grab them, jameswf.
[19:45] <samuraipenguin> I guess the other option is to download the RC and install it
[19:46] <ripps> samuraipenguin: I think you need the linux-backport-modules to get atheros working (or so I hear). You can probably download the deb for it.
[19:47] <demontager> why alsamixer shows only one channel "Master"? Where is other tunes?
[19:48] <legend2440> no floppy support on intrepid?
[19:48] <samuraipenguin> yeah, there's no package for 2.6.27-4 though.
[19:48]  * samuraipenguin bites the bullet and downloads the new iso
[19:49] <jameswf> try ath9k
[19:49] <jameswf>  /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath9k/ath9k.ko
[19:50] <Alpo\> hello
[19:50] <Alpo\> I need help with X not working in intrepid
[19:51] <bigfox> Aplo\:  Does it just not come up, or does it crash?
[19:51] <Alpo\> Neither my ati card or my integrated video card work,
[19:51] <Alpo\> even with vesa driver
[19:52]  * jameswf is working wih ati
[19:52] <Alpo\> with ati card it crashes and with the intedrated it gives me 'no screens found'
[19:52] <bigfox> AlpoDid you use EnvyNG or Envy to install your video drivers
[19:52] <jameswf> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M] Works anyway
[19:52] <Alpo\> bigfox: i installed with aptitude
[19:53] <DanaG> argh, damned nv can't even play a frickin' 640x480 video in mplayer.
[19:53] <Alpo\> the driver forom ubuntu repo
[19:53] <DanaG> It plays about 3 frames... and then stops upating display.
[19:53] <bigfox> Alpo\:  Remove the video driver then delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[19:54] <scorch> I am having with wireless connection.  Connecting to an AP with the same SSID, and have the same problems I have ad before.  latency, but not as bad....     I edited the settings for the connection and specified the mac address
[19:54] <bigfox> Alpo\: X should reconfigure itself on reboot.
[19:54] <Hoover_4000> the ubuntu savers are so busy i usually download at over 1mb/s now am downloading at 70-90kb/second
[19:54] <DanaG> nvidia is on my list of companies to never buy anything from.
[19:54] <DanaG> The only other company on that list: Creative.
[19:55] <x1250> creative is on my list too
[19:56] <racquad> hi guys! i have recently upgraded to ubuntu 8.10 and mi wifi worked fine. but, few days ago, i did a dist-upgrade and it stopped.
[19:56] <kempokempo> hi - i'm a massive linux noob - how do i force linux to use intel drivers for graphics, rather than vesa? I've got the gma x4500MHD (i know there are some issues - but thought i'd read these were fixed in 8.10... which i've installed, but i'm still stuck in 800x600 and no compviz)
[19:56] <racquad> the ath5k module is gone!!!
[19:56] <racquad> does anyone have any clue?
[19:57] <DanaG> X-Fi* Extreme Audio, for surround sound**  on laptops!
[19:57] <DanaG> * X-Fi Extreme Audio is not an X-Fi... or even an Audigy 1.  It's an SBLive!.
[19:57] <DanaG> ** must pay 30 bucks more for speaker attachment, not included.
[19:57] <vega> racquad: somebody just mentioned same problem 10min ago
[19:57] <racquad> vega: really? any solution?
[19:58] <evandar__> hi, after upgrade to intrepid i can't see my battery remaign time, it says that it couldn't determine remaigning time, any suggestions? ntb: HP pavilion
[19:58] <vega> 21:49 < jameswf> try ath9k
[19:58] <vega> 21:49 < jameswf>  /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath9k/ath9k.ko
[19:58] <legend2440> intrepid doesnt have floppy support?
[19:58] <racquad> vega: i did. nothing happened
[19:58] <vega> racquad: ok, not familiar with the prob myself..
[19:59] <racquad> vega: thanks anyway
[19:59] <interflo1> My Broadcom 4318 card stopped working after updating to Intrepid.  It says it's activated in the hardware manager and I can see other wireless networks in wifi-radar but I can't connect to any of them.  Anyone know what's going on?
[20:01] <scorch> evandar_: same thing here....  say I am on battery power at 0%
[20:01] <legend2440> according to ubuntu forum you have to type   sudo modprobe floppy to enable floppy drives. is there somewhere i can add "floppy" so the module loads at boot?
[20:01] <scorch> evandar_: not sure wttf
[20:01] <jameswf> who uses floppy drives anymore
[20:01] <interflo1> grandpa
[20:01] <evandar__> scorch: im googling it now, bug documented
[20:01] <scorch> lol
[20:01] <ToHellWithGA> do y'all know how i could set the mouse behavior to double-click (the default is single-click) mode in kde applications in gnome?
[20:02] <ToHellWithGA> my mother bought a USB floppy drive when her new computer came without a floppy drive
[20:02] <ToHellWithGA> she uses floppies to take things between her new and old computers
[20:02] <ToHellWithGA> both have CDRW drives
[20:02] <ToHellWithGA> both are on a LAN
[20:02] <legend2440> jameswf: i still have an eight track player. no i'm just curious. in hardy floppy drive worked
[20:02] <ToHellWithGA> she just doesn't know
[20:02] <bigfox> ToHellWithGA: How old is her old computer?
[20:03] <ToHellWithGA> pentium d
[20:03] <ToHellWithGA> the older one is pentium 3
[20:03] <bigfox> ToHellWithGA:  What OS?
[20:03] <ToHellWithGA> i can't pin it down to years for you exactly
[20:03] <jum> good evening everybody, when I click on "Activate" on propietary drivers dialog, nothing happens. so I tried with the official ati linux driver, but there comes the error: http://pastie.org/300949
[20:03] <scorch> evandar_: ok, let me know what it says
[20:04] <jum> what can I do?
[20:04] <ToHellWithGA> bigfox: windows 2000 and windows xp
[20:04] <bigfox> ToHellWithGA:  Perhaps a thumb drive would work better for her.
[20:04] <ToHellWithGA> i'm telling you man she just doesn't know
[20:04] <ToHellWithGA> network sharing is too simple but she won't let me set it up
[20:05] <ToHellWithGA> she fears the internet at large will hack her despite both machines being behind a router
[20:05] <Daekdroom> To blacklist a driver I should put it on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist right?
[20:06] <Turl> to make floppys work, just run
[20:06] <legend2440> jum: i have ati radeon 9600. i followed this guide to get fglrx working   http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#The_open_source_drivers
[20:06] <Turl> "sudo modprobe floppy"
[20:06] <Turl> and It'll start working (but just for this boot)
[20:06] <bigfox> ToHellWithGA:  A thumb drive would be much better.  Its like the floppy but much bigger and without all the suck.
[20:07] <legend2440> Turl: yes i know about  sudo modprobe floppy. just curious if there is somewhere i can add line  "floppy" so module starts on boot up
[20:07] <Turl> I think you can add it to /etc/modules
[20:08] <Turl> or sth similar
[20:08] <legend2440> Turl: ok thanks
[20:08] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[20:08] <jum> legend2440 thank you very much I will see if it works for me
[20:08] <legend2440> jum: ok good luck
[20:10] <Hoover_4000> ok i need help i installed kde inside ubuntu but i want to remove it how do i do that
[20:10] <Daekdroom> How do I REALLY blacklist a module?
[20:11] <Turl>  /etc/modules/blacklist?
[20:11] <DasEi> ﻿Hoover_4000:sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:11] <Hoover_4000> dasEi
[20:11] <Alpo\> i did uninstall ati driver and restart hal and gdm,
[20:11] <Alpo\> and still no x
[20:11] <Hoover_4000> i tried that but i can still log in to kde
[20:12] <Hoover_4000> so its still there
[20:12] <Alpo\> i also deleted xorg.conf
[20:12] <DasEi> ﻿Hoover_4000:use synaptic-manager , search kde
[20:12] <Hoover_4000> ok
[20:13] <Hoover_4000> so should i remove all programs in synaptic manager containing kde
[20:14] <legend2440> Turl: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[20:14] <Turl> yeah that one
[20:14] <DasEi> kde- sth < yes, or read the description
[20:14] <Daekdroom> legend2440: I put the module there but it keeps trying to modprobe it on the boot
[20:15] <bigfox> Alpo\:  I'm stumped then.  Sorry.
[20:15] <DanaG> What module?
[20:16] <bigfox> Alpo\:  Does it give any erroes?
[20:16] <Daekdroom> saa7134-alsa and saa7134
[20:16] <DanaG> You can try removing the module from the linux tree.
[20:16] <bigfox> err... ErroRs
[20:16] <Daekdroom> If I could boot it, maybe >.>
[20:16] <DanaG> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/whatever
[20:16] <DanaG> saa7134... what is that, anyway?
[20:17] <Daekdroom> Capture card module
[20:17] <Alpo\> bigfox: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file and (EE) No devices detected
[20:17] <Daekdroom> Caused trouble in every devel version since 7.10, as far as I know
[20:18] <bigfox> Alpo\:  Try this:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:19] <Alpo\> bigfox: now it does not complain about /dev/fb0, but doesn't work either
[20:20] <bigfox> Alpo\: Did you try a reboot?
[20:21] <Alpo\> bigfox: no, i just restarted gdm
[20:21] <bigfox> Alpo:\ Reboot
[20:23] <Assid> ??release
[20:23] <Assid> !release
[20:23] <Assid> !schedule
[20:24] <Assid> hrmm 30th
[20:24] <squid0> hello. I am suffering from a bug with the intel X driver, and I need to set an option in xorg.conf . however, there is none set by the installation! how can I know how to set it up, etc. ? also , is there no (graphical) tool to select an Xorg driver?
[20:24] <jacobw-uk> hi
[20:24] <jacobw-uk> i've got a few probs, minor but would like some help anyway
[20:24] <legend2440> Daekdroom: i think you add module to   /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[20:24] <Daekdroom> legend2440: it's not a restricted module
[20:25] <jacobw-uk> oddly enough neither Banshee nor Rhytmbox seem able to download podcasts, Banshee says it is downloading the podcast but it doesn't not appear on the disk
[20:25] <Daekdroom> wait, I got it :p
[20:25] <jacobw-uk> Rhythmbox just sits on waiting for as long you let it
[20:25] <ripps> jacobw-uk: I think amarok can handle podcasts.
[20:26] <jacobw-uk> hmm yes but it doesn't work that well with the gnome desktop
[20:26] <jacobw-uk> also, is there a lot of bugs atm because its RC time?
[20:26] <legend2440> where do you add a module in intrepid so it loads on boot?  there is no   /etc/modules folder on mine. do i just create one?
[20:26] <Daekdroom> It's not a folder
[20:26] <jacobw-uk> i've got another bug with desktop effects where the title bar disappears
[20:27] <coppro> bug #1 is funny
[20:27] <vega> legend2440: it's a file, add it there
[20:27] <ripps> legend2440: /etc/modprobe.d
[20:28] <legend2440> vega: doh  ok found it i was looking for a folder
[20:31] <squid0> how do I generate an xorg.conf for Intrepid?
[20:31] <Turl> squid0, run in recovery mode and select xfix
[20:31] <squid0> Turl: awesome, thanks
[20:31] <squid0> Turl: and will I be able to select a driver for the graphics card?
[20:32] <Daekdroom> You don't have to
[20:32] <Turl> squid0, no
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Ubuntu detects it. You only have to if you want to use other driver
[20:32] <Turl> if you want to select a driver run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[20:32] <squid0> but that's my problem: there's a bug with the intel driver, and I need to change to use another one
[20:33] <Turl> run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then
[20:33] <squid0> Turl: running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't give me an option as to drivers
[20:33] <Daekdroom> That command no longer asks the driver you want to use
[20:33] <Turl> but I mean without -phigh
[20:34] <Turl> squid0, then sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit the driver line manually
[20:34] <squid0> Turl: but I'm not sure what to put!
[20:34] <squid0> vesa?
[20:34] <squid0> i810?
[20:34] <DanaG> What video card?
[20:35] <Turl> vesa should always work, don't expect acceleration nor good res though :p
[20:35] <DanaG> What video card?
[20:35] <Turl> try i810 if it's an intel card
[20:35] <DanaG> actually, if it's Intel... you shouldn't even need xorg.conf.
[20:35] <squid0> Turl: ok
[20:36] <htrejh> hi
[20:36] <squid0> DanaG: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM
[20:36] <htrejh> right now system cleaner is in the main gnome menu, wouldn't it be better in the administration menu?
[20:36] <squid0> DanaG: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/138256 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/288859
[20:37] <DanaG> Aah.
[20:37] <DanaG> Then use "intel" as the driver.
[20:37] <DanaG> Or in fact, you can even have a Device section that specifies only that option, and no Driver at all!
[20:37] <squid0> ok!
[20:37] <squid0> so what would I write?
[20:38] <luca_> hi to everyone
[20:39] <luca_> I have a problem: I do apt-get update routinely, yet according to the update-manager I have not updated the repository information in the lsat 10 days
[20:39] <DanaG> 	Identifier	"Any name is fine here"
[20:39] <DanaG> 	Option		"ForceEnablePipeA" "true"
[20:39] <DanaG> And these two things around it:
[20:39] <DanaG> Section "Device"                  EndSection
[20:40] <luca_> I have no idea as to why it behaves this way, any ideas?
[20:41] <Daekdroom> DanaG: Removing the module from linux tree might make an error able that stops the boot?
[20:41] <squid0> DanaG: awesome, thanks. I'll give it a shot
[20:41] <Daekdroom> *an error that stops the boot
[20:43] <ripps> htrejh: good point, submit a bug report so they know about that.
[20:43] <htrejh> just saw bug is fixed but not yet released
[20:44] <htrejh> btw, the new fast user switch applet sucks
[20:45] <ripps> htrejh: why: It saves me room by not having to have to applets for users and logging out.
[20:46] <htrejh> why not leave the old shutdown button? :s
[20:46] <ripps> htrejh: if you don't like it. remove it and put the shutdown button back.
[20:47] <luca_> someone expierencing my same problems with the repositories?
[20:49] <ripps> luca_: I'm guessing not, what's the problem
[20:50] <U238Willy> just a note someone can make i hope... kwallet is open and yet konqueror and kmail still require my passwords which are now gone and I have to go look for them..
[20:51]  * U238Willy sighs
[20:51] <ripps> luca_: are you using the main server for updates?
[20:53] <nekostar> eh
[20:53] <nekostar> compiz is making Xorg leak
[20:53] <nekostar> no compiz = no Xorg leak
[20:53] <nekostar> ;_;
[20:55] <crdlb> nekostar: driver?
[20:56] <ripps> I'm using ati open source w/ compiz, and my xorg is no bigger than usual.
[20:58] <chad> having all kinds of weird issues with 8.10 today, my user account has lost rights to his own desktop.  Shows with a lock in nautalis s
[20:59] <NET||abuse1> chad: no issues like that here,,, sounds nasty
[20:59] <chad> NET||abuse1: any clue as to how to fix it ?
[21:00] <chad> seems root owns it now
[21:00] <nekostar> crdlb
[21:00] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[19 hours, 46 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.998 MHz (19200.08 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Cor
[21:00] <nekostar> poration with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[21:01] <chad> nm .. that was just a stupid question .. lol
[21:02] <crdlb> nekostar: ok, I blame nvidia then
[21:02] <nekostar> chad actually its easy to fix
[21:02] <chad> nekostar: yeah i already did .. feeling stupid right now
[21:02] <nekostar> just create a new user account. then chown your normal one to match with it.
[21:02] <nekostar> or chown those over to the original user and delete/backup and replace everything in there ;)
[21:03] <chad> yepo
[21:03] <nekostar> i went through the painful process of inventing a home partition on my own many years ago
[21:03] <nekostar> l,ol
[21:03] <chad> lol
[21:03] <chad> yeah not fun
[21:03] <nekostar> [meaning of course no one told me about it]
[21:03] <nekostar> :D\
[21:03] <nekostar> i was so stoked
[21:03] <nekostar> ZOMG I CAN REINSTALL SAME NAME AND BOOM
[21:03] <nekostar> lol
[21:03] <mrwizard> I'm having horrible issues with X (http://paste.ubuntu.com/62996/)
[21:03] <chad> ha
[21:03] <nekostar> crdlb sounds reasonable i suppose
[21:04] <nekostar> considering compiz.real never gets too large, and though emerald has had a leak as long as ive been using it, yeah...'
[21:04] <nekostar> crdlb if i go rite to nvidia is there a later driver?
[21:04] <chad> mrwizard: if you are running it in virtualbox you need to install the client utils to get the correct video drivers installed i think
[21:04] <nekostar> its not that i wanna break the package upgrade method.. but...
[21:05] <mrwizard> chad: thank you very much, I'll give it a whirl
[21:05] <luca_> ripps: sorry man I did not see your response :( yeah I am using the main server
[21:06] <luca_> ripps: I can connect and seemingly update fine, but still the system signals problems .. I have updated using graphical front-ends, dselect, aptitude, apt-get, still I have problems :(
[21:08] <interflo1> My Broadcom 4318 card stopped working after updating to Intrepid.  It says it's activated in the hardware manager and I can see other wireless networks in wifi-radar but I can't connect to any of them.  Anyone know what's going on?
[21:09] <luca_> interflo1: define "can't connect to any". If you are using NetworkManager and try to connect to a network, what does the program spit out?
[21:09] <ripps> luca_: Hmm... I'm not sure. Double check to make sure that intrepid-security and intrepid-update are checked in the updates tab in Software Sources.
[21:09] <luca_> ripps: I already checked, even tried to see if manually disabling/enabling some repositories did have some effect
[21:10] <luca_> ripps: I fear however the problem lies within apt-file or apt-build, I have both installed
[21:10] <interflo1> luca_:  I don't get any messages.  I set up Network Connections to automatically connect to my router but it doesn't seem to want to.
[21:10] <ripps> luca_: then I don't know.
[21:10] <mrwizard> chad: thank you very much, it works perfectly now
[21:10] <luca_> ripps: thanks anyway :(
[21:11] <nekostar> gm
[21:11] <luca_> interflo1: do you have set up the connection using the NetworkManager icon?
[21:11] <crdlb> nekostar: I doubt that would help; there hasn't been much driver development since 177
[21:11]  * nekostar sighs
[21:12] <nekostar> well on the upside crdlb i was already planning on a new vid card and mobo
[21:12] <nekostar> i was gonna get more ram but i'm still not quite happy /w 64bit
[21:12] <luca_> interflo1: sorry if i am asking banal questions but I want to understand what's going on :)
[21:12] <mrwizard> and I'm not sure if my next question should be in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1. It's a problem that existed before upgrading, but still exists
[21:12] <nekostar> for the most part quite nice
[21:12] <crdlb> nekostar: how much videoram?
[21:12] <nekostar> 512
[21:13] <crdlb> hmm
[21:13] <interflo1> luca_: I don't get a NetworkManager icon like I did in hardy
[21:13] <crdlb> you seem to be hitting the "fix" for the black window bug
[21:13] <nekostar> crdlb ?
[21:13] <crdlb> where instead of breaking, it just leaks memory
[21:13] <nekostar> i dont have that
[21:13] <nekostar> ooh
[21:13] <nekostar> why leak into Xorg
[21:13] <nekostar> nvm
[21:13] <luca_> interflo1: ok this is the problem. Go into the terminal and tell me what it does say after a "sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart"
[21:13] <nekostar> Xorg calls that to play with compiz rite?
[21:14] <nekostar> hm
[21:14] <crdlb> normally, I wouldn't expect that with 512MB of videoram, but maybe your high resolution is making it worse
[21:14] <nekostar> its just a 22" mon
[21:14] <nekostar> i always see leaks on emerald
[21:14] <crdlb> I don't doubt that
[21:14] <nekostar> if i wanna save some ram just go to metacity kill em and comp and go back in
[21:14] <interflo1> luca_: NetworkManager stopped and started just fine
[21:14] <nekostar> crdlb but i also stay up for a month at a time
[21:14] <nekostar> avg
[21:15] <luca_> interflo1: then alt+f2: nm-applet
[21:15] <nekostar> i try not to update core packages :P
[21:15] <luca_> interflo1: if the icon does not pop up in the tray, try from the terminal
[21:15] <nekostar> [core in this case meaning something that requires a restart]
[21:15] <nekostar> and the other problem crdlb
[21:15] <nekostar> is i think my dvd drives dead
[21:15] <interflo1> luca_: aha, that did the trick
[21:15] <nekostar> so i didnt really quite do a clean install
[21:15] <luca_> interflo1: and check you have installed the network-manager-gnome package :)
[21:15] <nekostar> i took and selected every package in my system for removal.
[21:16] <nekostar> all of them.
[21:16] <nekostar> then selected ubuntu-desktop
[21:16] <nekostar> then let it remove everything else :P
[21:16] <luca_> interflo1: ok then it's simply a matter of understanding why it does not autostart ... in any case, try to configure the network now :)
[21:16] <interflo1> luca_: the networkmanager was installed, it just wasn't started up for some reason in intrepid
[21:16] <nekostar> but it gets better
[21:16] <nekostar> the source is from my other install
[21:16] <nekostar> which i rsyncd over
[21:16] <nekostar> :D
[21:16] <interflo1> luca_: i was able to connect just fine now =D
[21:16] <luca_> interflo1: got it, making the hack to autostart is quite simple
[21:17] <luca_> interflo1: I just do not understand why it was not set up like this from the beginning :D
[21:17] <nekostar> so i have to manually copy my kernels over b/c i forgot to leave a boot grub can read
[21:17] <interflo1> luca_: i can figure out how to make it autostart just fine, thanks for the help
[21:17] <nekostar> lol
[21:17] <nekostar> encrypted iirc
[21:17] <luca_> interflo1: np man :)
[21:17]  * nekostar sighs
[21:17] <interflo1> luca_: i wish i knew, i thought it was some issue with intrepid and my wireless
[21:17] <nekostar> i really need to go to newegg
[21:17] <luca_> interflo1: luckily it was something much simplier :)
[21:18] <interflo1> luca_: now to restart and see if it gives me any trouble on a fresh boot
[21:18] <luca_away> interflo1: good :)
[21:19] <luca_away> if anyone does have problems with repository update, or has seen a warning saying that repo information has not been updated in days, please signal me
[21:19] <luca_away> I am in this situation and at my wit's end :(
[21:20] <interflo1> luca_: it worked flawlessly.  now i can enjoy intrepid :)
[21:27] <Turms> luca_away: sorry, i could read just some of your lines, what is yr problem?
[21:33] <luca_away> Turms: well I have quite a strange problem .. I do repo updates every date
[21:33] <Turms> luca_away: ok
[21:33] <luca_away> Turms: but according to the update-manager, I have not updated the information in 10 days
[21:34] <Daekdroom> How do I prevent udev from detecting a device and modprobing the module?
[21:34] <mneptok> luca_away: sudo apt-get update
[21:34] <luca_away> Turms: I have tried to update via cli or graphical, using different front-ends, still the same error, even if I disable most repos
[21:34] <mneptok> Daekdroom: blacklist the module
[21:34] <luca_away> Turms: wish it would be that simple :)
[21:34] <Daekdroom> mneptok: What's the plan B?
[21:34] <Turms> luca_away: Wellark i do not know if the problem is the same
[21:35] <Daekdroom> I tried blacklisting, it didn't work. I deleted it from the kernel tree. It didn't work.
[21:35] <Turms> luca_away: but i started having problems with kernel 2.6.27
[21:35] <haydn> Can anyone explain why Flash plays without having a player installed.
[21:35] <Turms> luca_away: so i filed a bug tu ubuntu and then i did the same with kernel.org
[21:36] <Turms> luca_away: try these comands: ....
[21:36] <luca_away> Turms: ready to :)
[21:36] <Turms> luca_away: sudo su -
[21:36] <luca_away> k
[21:37] <Turms> luca_away: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestams
[21:37] <Turms> luca_away: STOP
[21:37] <Turms> luca_away: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps
[21:37] <luca_away> already corrected
[21:37] <luca_away> Turms: no output
[21:37] <Turms> luca_away: exit
[21:38] <Turms> luca_away: try apt-get update
[21:38] <luca_away> k
[21:39] <luca_away> ok
[21:39] <luca_away> the command you gave before is to print the connections done, isn't it?
[21:39] <luca_away> Turms: update finished
[21:40] <Turms> luca_away: did it work?
[21:41] <Turms> luca_away: no it is a real nasty bug
[21:41] <Turms> luca_away: did it work?
[21:41] <luca_away> Turms: I do not know yet because I have some upgrades to do and the update-manager does not tell anything if I do not do those updates
[21:42] <luca_away> Turms: still, the error icon remains :(
[21:42] <luca_away> Turms: I am making the upgrades
[21:42] <luca_away> Turms: exactly the echo command I issued what was it for?
[21:43] <Turms> luca_away: well it is a workaround for a bug in tcp stack in kernel 2.6.27
[21:43] <luca_away> in more laymanish terms...? :)
[21:43] <luca_away> I know what a stack is, but not specifically tcp
[21:44] <Turms> luca_away: when you start a connection to some site you send a SYN packet
[21:44] <Turms> luca_away: the remote site answers with an ACK packet
[21:44] <luca_away> ok
[21:45] <luca_away> ook
[21:45] <luca_away> following you so far
[21:45] <Turms> luca_away: at kernel.org they say that the tcp options could put in whatever position within the syn packet
[21:46] <mike-solidus> hey guys, my gtk apps aren't themed at all, and on startup thier color scheme is default
[21:46] <Turms> luca_away: but it seems that some router get confused if some options are not in a certain order
[21:46] <TavoX> Is there anyone with ubuntu 8.10 and intel hda audio that's got sound working?
[21:46] <mike-solidus> also kwin crashes every startup
[21:46] <luca_away> ok
[21:46] <luca_away> so the router is not able to forward the syn packet?
[21:47] <TavoX> I've got a toshiba m105 that works in 8.04 but doesn't in intrepid
[21:47] <Turms> luca_away: this situation prevented me and a full bunch of others from connecting or had difficolties in doing so
[21:47] <Turms> luca_away: exactly
[21:48] <luca_away> Turms: well I had no difficulties whatsoever in connecting to the internet in these days
[21:48] <luca_away> Turms: this is the good news .. bad news is, warning still there :)
[21:48] <Turms> luca_away: ok, so most probably your problem is different
[21:48] <luca_away> Turms: it would certainly seem so
[21:48] <chad> does anyone know how to get the package libltdl3 to install in 8.10?  the package seems to be orphaned and i cant find the package that replaced it
[21:49] <Turms> luca_away: listen, what is the output of apt-get update?
[21:49] <luca_away> Turms: mine is an annoying problem but of little consequence; I can still update fine, and have no other sympthoms so far
[21:49] <Turms> luca_away: ok :-)
[21:49] <luca_away> Turms: nothing strange; let me put it into a pastebin, just one second
[21:49] <Turms> luca_away: ok
[21:50] <luca_away> Turms: http://pastebin.com/d251bccd6
[21:50] <chad> !libltdl3
[21:50] <Turms> ok
[21:50] <chad> !libltdl
[21:51] <luca_away> Turms: it seems it ignores a bunch of repos, but I do not know how to force it to check
[21:53] <chuckf> has anyone had an issue with intrepid where it will not open windows after the intial login to a gnome session?
[21:54] <Turms> luca_away: have you tried with a different sources.list?
[21:55] <luca_away> Turms: no; i tried to select/deselect the repos, but not a brand new sources
[21:55] <musikgoat> luca_away: just to let you know, my update ign's a number of repo's as well, i don't know why it is, but i've always seen it like that
[21:55] <luca_away> musikgoat: ok thanks :)
[21:55] <luca_away> Turms: ok generating a new sources.list
[21:55] <luca_away> I think the problem is in the apt-build :(
[21:55] <Turms> luca_away: i'm curious! :-D  wait just a moment, i start intrepid in my pc
[21:56] <luca_away> Turms: ok :D
[21:56] <Turms> luca_away: i've never used apt-build, apt-spy yes
[21:57] <luca_away> Turms: could you pastebin your sources please? :)
[21:58] <Turms> luca_away: no, i'll send you it via dcc if you like
[21:58] <luca_away> ok
[21:58] <luca_away> but wait a sec
[21:58] <luca_away> I have done a little experiment ... let's see now
[21:59] <luca_away> one sec that it takes time to upgrade ..
[22:00] <chad> does anyone know how to get the package libltdl3 to install in 8.10?  the package seems to be orphaned and i cant find the package that replaced it
[22:00] <Daekdroom> chad: try sudo apt-cache search bltdl3
[22:00] <luca_away> Turms: nothing :(
[22:00] <luca_away> Turms: if you can fire up dcc...
[22:01] <chad> Daekdroom: yeah did i have all those installed but no dice still, seems they are all missing the libltd3 library
[22:02] <andresmh> how do I remove the name of the day from the gnome panel?  I want it to say just "Oct 26 18:01" instead of "Sun Oct 26 18:01"
[22:02] <luca_away> Turms: thanks, trying it right now :)
[22:02] <chad> Daekdroom: libltdl7-dev  is the one it says .. but it doesnt contain the lib i need to compile this app
[22:02] <Turms> luca_away: prego! :-D
[22:02] <Daekdroom> chad: Well. I have no idea then.
[22:03] <chad> Anyone know how to install gyachi in 8.10 then ?
[22:04] <chad> !gyachi
[22:04] <a1len> Is it possible to mount Vista and get my music over to Ubuntu?
[22:04] <chad> a1len: ntfs ?
[22:04] <Daekdroom> yea
[22:05] <a1len> chad: Yes. Ubuntu too; it's in a virtual-box.
[22:05] <luca_away> Turms: does not seem to function :-(
[22:05] <luca_away> at this point, I daresay it is not a problem of apt-get or repos :(
[22:05] <Turms> what?
[22:05] <chad> a1len:  then yes if its in virtualbox you can do a shared library its in the config for your machine
[22:05] <luca_away> Turms: substituting the sources.list does not yeld anything good
[22:06] <chad> a1len: or you can just install the ntfs tools and mount is as samba
[22:06] <luca_away> Turms: it probably is just a problem with update-manager, not apt-get
[22:06] <Turms> luca_away: do you have in /boot a 6.2.26 kernel?
[22:06] <luca_away> do not think so
[22:06] <Turms> luca_away: sorry, 2.6.26
[22:06] <luca_away> nope
[22:06] <luca_away> only .27
[22:07] <a1len> chad: If I make a separate partition FAT32, you think I can just paste them over and copy them into Ubuntu? I have the space.
[22:07] <Daekdroom> 7.10 and later are NTFS write-patible
[22:07] <Turms> luca_away: well if do not use update-manger which is actually just a front end and use apt-get it cannot be a problem with the former
[22:08] <luca_away> Turms: I use both; and can update freely; the problem is simply a temporal mark
[22:08] <Daekdroom> Why bother so much then?
[22:08] <Daekdroom> Fill a bug report and wait
[22:09] <luca_away> Daekdroom: it is most annoying, and more than this, I do fear it MIGHT indicate some repos failing to update info
[22:09] <luca_away> Daekdroom: can't be sure of this, obviously :-/
[22:09] <Daekdroom> Did you upgrade your system after that began to happen?
[22:10] <andresmh> how do I remove the name of the day from the gnome panel?  I want it to say just "Oct 26 18:01" instead of "Sun Oct 26 18:01"
[22:10] <luca_away> Daekdroom: more than once
[22:12] <alex_mayorga> did international keyboard layouts got reverted to USA after latest updates?
[22:12] <luca_away> alex_mayorga: not on this box
[22:13] <alex_mayorga> I just saw that happen here
[22:14] <vmelo> hello, my panel background image is gone, is it normal?
[22:15] <vmelo> anyone missing the panel background?
[22:16] <wiivile2> will intrepid break my system on october 30
[22:17] <coppro> possibly
[22:17] <coppro> are you on a laptop? if so, then probably
[22:17] <wiivile2> im on a laptop
[22:19] <djhash_> can we upgrade to the live release on the 30th? or do we need to do a clean reinstall
[22:20] <Daekdroom> You can upgrade it through the update-manager
[22:20] <musikgoat> djhash_: upgrading will get you all that would be in the live release
[22:21] <Daekdroom> It sucks so much having to use Vista -_-
[22:21] <djhash_> is it recommended to upgrade from the beta to live release or is a clean install better?
[22:21] <vmelo> anyone here is missing panel background?
[22:21] <Daekdroom> djhash_: if you are already using 8.10 beta, it'll upgrade auto
[22:21] <musikgoat> djhash_: its fine to upgrade from beta to final
[22:21] <djhash_> ok.. sweet.. thanks
[22:22] <djhash_> now onto my problem of xorg not finding my screen when i can see stuff on it perfectly!!!
[22:22] <djhash_> let me first get a pastebin of xorg.conf and xrandr output
[22:23] <andresmh> how can I disable the "universal  access preferences" icon from the gnome panel?
[22:24] <Tuv0k> pulse audio is just terribly unstable
[22:26] <Tuv0k> is there any way to restart this POS wihtout bring the whole system down?
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I don't have a bug report it just stoppped working
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I go to sleep I have sound
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I go to work
[22:26] <Tuv0k> come back
[22:26] <Tuv0k> no sound
[22:27] <Tuv0k> how does one document that?
[22:27] <musikgoat> !enter
[22:27] <feanor> hi
[22:28] <musikgoat> Tuv0k: do you have intel audio?
[22:28] <feanor> someone has a Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) soundcard?
[22:28] <musikgoat> feanor: you said your running 8.04, why are you asking here?
[22:28] <Tuv0k> musikgoat, Nvidia chipset
[22:28] <musikgoat> Tuv0k: ok
[22:28] <musikgoat> sorry
[22:29] <Tuv0k> gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused
[22:29] <feanor> ¿?
[22:30] <feanor> I opened my IRC client, and it redirected me here, automaticlly
[22:30] <feanor> that's all
[22:30] <feanor> where should i go?
[22:30] <musikgoat> feanor: you were just talking in #ubuntu the main support channel
[22:30] <coppro> wherever you want to
[22:31] <musikgoat>  /j #ubuntu
[22:32] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev not modprobe a module? (blacklist didn't work)
[22:32] <djhash_> hokay.. my laptop is intel-830MG graphics card  and when booting (on kernel 2.6.24-21-generic) i can see the splash screen fine everything is great.. as soon as it gets into the login screen.. the laptop monitor just turns off.. while the monitor connected on the vga port, I can see fine.. it is setup as a mirror, with 1024x768 (even lower resolutions give same results)... when i press ctrl+alt+f1.. i can see terminal on both
[22:32] <djhash_> screens.. but with the gui.. just the ext. monitor.. here is my xorg and xrandr outputs.. http://pastebin.com/f7b4613a8
[22:33] <NET||abuse1> hmm, i'm confused by conduit.
[22:35] <NET||abuse1> want to sync tomboy notes between my work desktop and my eeepc
[22:37] <NET||abuse1> i added tomboy and then a network data provider, don't see how i can configure where on the so called "network" destination it goes?
[22:38] <X4D> hello, I'm having some problems with RC ibex, first is that I cant get past GRUB, I get a kernel panic "aperture above 4GB..." I worked around that by removing 1GB of RAM (I had 2GB) and it get's past that point but I cant get into the login since m monitor doesn't receive a signal, I can however get into the console with alt+ctrl+F1, any suggestions to get things running smoothly? I've used ibex since the first beta in Virtualbox and it work
[22:40] <etnoy> ibex has been fiddling with my compiz :)
[22:40] <etnoy> just upgraded to intrepid last night, and since I've been tracking down a compiz issue that isn't going away
[22:40] <etnoy> this is an old Thinkpad T30 with ATI videocard that has been working great with hardy, both compiz, video and games have been problem-free and stable
[22:41] <etnoy> however, with intrepid the window decorations disappeared and compiz reports the following problems:
[22:41] <Daekdroom> Do you really need compiz?
[22:41] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m611b10e3
[22:41] <etnoy> compiz is nice, though metacity works for now
[22:41] <etnoy> thought it would be best to straighten any issues out before release time
[22:42] <FFForever> how come on a db i keep making with sqlite3 when i run select * from people it says SQL error: file is encrypted or is not a database
[22:42] <Daekdroom> etnoy: What driver is X.org using?
[22:42] <etnoy> I've tried switching from the radeon driver to ati, and that didn't do anything
[22:42] <crdlb> etnoy: those are the same driver
[22:42] <etnoy> switching to 24bit depth makes the error go away, but instead compiz runs horrendously slow
[22:42] <etnoy> crdlb: ah, my mistake!
[22:43] <crdlb> hmm
[22:43] <etnoy> nothing obvious, direct rendering is Yes
[22:43] <crdlb> etnoy: I guess it's something ancient like an M6?
[22:43] <etnoy> server glx vendor string: SGI <- should this really be SGI?
[22:43] <crdlb> yes
[22:43] <faultreporter> ﻿hi all, just updated system to newest version and now the firefox searchbar no longer searches for terms i enter there - irrespective of search engine used - does go to respective site if no term is entered before search
[22:43] <etnoy> sorry, what's an M6?
[22:43] <faultreporter> is this known issue?
[22:44] <crdlb> etnoy: ATI M6, aka the original mobile radeon
[22:45] <etnoy> lspci: Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[22:45] <etnoy> but I have never seen the "M7 LW" part before
[22:45] <etnoy> it is a http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7500
[22:45] <crdlb> M7 is the "real" model number
[22:45] <etnoy> it always just said 7500
[22:45] <etnoy> alright
[22:45] <crdlb> all the ati mobile gpus are numbered sequentially
[22:46] <etnoy> the update made som big changes to xorg.conf as well, so many things could have been moved
[22:46] <crdlb> hmm, well 16 bit color should work (unlike with nvidia)
[22:46] <etnoy> yeah, that depth worked fine with hardy
[22:47] <crdlb> but you shouldn't need to go to such drastic measures with a 1024x768 screen
[22:47] <faultreporter> any comments?
[22:47] <crdlb> etnoy: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:48] <etnoy> xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m5f002811
[22:48] <etnoy> one minute for the log...
[22:49] <etnoy> log: http://pastebin.com/m898b2d8
[22:49] <Th3Unkn0wn> faultreporter, remove the search engine and readd it?
[22:50] <djhash_> my laptop is intel-830MG graphics card  and when booting (on kernel 2.6.24-21-generic) i can see the splash screen fine everything is great.. as soon as it gets into the login screen.. the laptop monitor just turns off.. while the monitor connected on the vga port, I can see fine.. it is setup as a mirror, with 1024x768 (even lower resolutions give same results)... when i press ctrl+alt+f1.. i can see terminal on both screens..
[22:50] <djhash_> but with the gui.. just the ext. monitor.. here is my xorg and xrandr.outputs..http://pastebin.comf7b4613a8
[22:51] <Daekdroom> djhash_: kernel 2.6.24 belongs to 8.04, are you sure you're in the right place?
[22:52] <djhash_> yes... I've upgraded to 8.10 using "update-manager -d"
[22:52] <crdlb> etnoy: hmm, I was going to recommend switching to XAA from EXA, but it seems it's using that by default
[22:52] <faultreporter> its not the engine itself but the search bar that wont search once a term is entered there...trying it though
[22:52] <etnoy> ah, it's using EXA?
[22:52] <Daekdroom> djhash_: why not boot using 2.6.27?
[22:52] <etnoy> didn't see that, I believe it used XAA before
[22:52] <etnoy> how do I switch back to XAA?
[22:53] <crdlb> etnoy: the log you posted is using XAA
[22:53] <djhash_> Daekdroom: cause its even worse.. no splash screen.. or anything.. although i can see it working on hdd..
[22:53] <etnoy> crdlb: ah, sorry I misunderstood :)
[22:54] <Daekdroom> djhash_: 2.6.24 is a leftover from 8.04 installation. So I think you should report your problem as no monitor output.
[22:55] <djhash_> Daekdroom: ok.. let me reboot on the 27 and see if I can fiddle around with that..
[22:55] <crdlb> etnoy: does 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo | grep direct' have any interesting debug output at the top?
[22:55] <faultreporter> there seem to be more faults than just that one in firefox
[22:55] <etnoy> let's find out
[22:56] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m18084b23
[22:56] <etnoy> hm, seems to be a problem there
[22:56] <etnoy> I'll check my drirc
[22:57] <faultreporter> every time i start it it goes through the update process and then shows me the firstrun screen for firefox 3
[22:57] <etnoy> <option name="allow_large_textures" value="2" />
[22:57] <etnoy> the above line is in drirc
[22:57] <faultreporter> that as well as the searchbar not working
[22:57] <crdlb> etnoy: yeah, that shouldn't be the whole file
[22:57] <etnoy> I've had it in there since forever
[22:58] <etnoy> but I'll try moving the file away and kill X
[22:58] <crdlb> and it's probably been silently ignored since forever too :)
[22:58] <faultreporter> think i might not bother with it now though...just thought someone may be interested as it's a fault that really limits usability
[22:58] <crdlb> etnoy: what does 'glxinfo -l | grep -i max_texture_size' say?
[22:59] <etnoy> 2048
[22:59] <crdlb> you don't need that drirc thing anyway then
[22:59] <etnoy> well, GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 2048 to be exact
[22:59] <etnoy> I added it when trying to run dualscreen with compiz
[22:59] <etnoy> but the card didn't support the large textures anyway
[22:59] <faultreporter> back to windows for a week then :(
[22:59] <crdlb> old ati cards used to report 1024
[23:00] <crdlb> 2048 is the real limit
[23:00] <etnoy> I'm curious about it first trying direct rendering, failing, falling back to indirect, and then succeeding
[23:00] <crdlb> in the compiz output?
[23:00] <etnoy> I don't know if it worked in direct mode before the upgrade
[23:01] <etnoy> yes
[23:01] <crdlb> that's just AIGLX
[23:01] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m611b10e3
[23:01] <etnoy> the compiz log like before
[23:02] <AaronMT> Anyone have issues with no usplash graphic on boot and shutdown? Any way to fix?
[23:02] <icewaterman> btw. when a folder contains a lot of files then nautilus takes extreme long to display its content
[23:02] <pen> hi
[23:02] <crdlb> etnoy: btw, you're not running compiz with sudo, are you?
[23:03] <musikgoat> icewaterman: are they media files?
[23:03] <pen> could anyone tell me why this script has an error on line 41? here is the link   http://paste2.org/p/92729
[23:03] <pen> it works in hardy
[23:03] <pen> not in intrepid
[23:03] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes
[23:03] <etnoy> crdlb: nope
[23:03] <pen> it says syntax wrong
[23:03] <icewaterman> some of them at least musikgoat
[23:03] <musikgoat> icewaterman: its probly creating thumbs
[23:03] <icewaterman> can i prevent that?
[23:04] <musikgoat> icewaterman: is the directory on a network, or local?
[23:04] <icewaterman> local
[23:04] <musikgoat> icewaterman: tbh, i can imagine you can turn off thumbnails, but i don't know how
[23:04] <poutine> I have an ubuntu 8.10 system, I used to run fallout in wine just fine, this most recent upgrade causes a persistent Xwindows cursor smack dab in the middle of the screen while I'm trying to run this game, any clue how to fix it? (I see fixme:dinput:SysMouseAImpl_Acquire Clipping cursor to (0,0)-(640,480) in the console logging)
[23:05] <etnoy> what I find strange is that compiz runs so slow when I turn on 24bit depth
[23:05] <musikgoat> icewaterman: ok, its in the preferences for nautilus
[23:05]  * DanaG wonders what 3D things a Voodoo3 would be able to do nowadays.
[23:05] <etnoy> it runs fast in 16bit, though no borders, and the errors with GLXFBConfig
[23:05] <DanaG> Anything?
[23:05] <musikgoat> icewaterman: under preview
[23:06] <pen> anyone know why syntax error?
[23:06] <etnoy> crdlb: interesting problem, in other words
[23:06] <musikgoat> pen: why 2 fi's
[23:06] <musikgoat> ?
[23:06] <musikgoat> pen: nvm, i see
[23:06] <pen> musikgoat: ok
[23:06] <DanaG> Why does Nautilus not cache thumbnails?
[23:07] <pen> DanaG: it should, did you look into the thumbnail folder?
[23:07] <crdlb> if those two 'fi's are correct, then you should fix the indentation
[23:07] <icewaterman> musikgoat: it is all disabled
[23:07] <icewaterman> yet it causes extreme cpu load
[23:07] <DanaG> My pictures dir still seems to take a lot of time to open.
[23:07] <musikgoat> icewaterman: how many files are you talking?
[23:07] <etnoy> crdlb: were you talking to me? in that case I didn't follow you
[23:08] <musikgoat> icewaterman: and what filesystem?
[23:08] <crdlb> etnoy: no
[23:08] <etnoy> alright
[23:08] <icewaterman> musikgoat: filesystem is fat32 and ext3, but i didnt have that problem with 8.04
[23:08] <pen> crdlb: so you think it's because of indentation?
[23:08] <DanaG> grr, damn mplayer doesn't deal well with pulseaudio.
[23:08] <icewaterman> approx 2k files
[23:09] <crdlb> etnoy: I have no idea what's causing that problem; seems like a driver bug
[23:09] <DanaG> Try using frame skip... and mplayer will freeze after a while.
[23:09] <etnoy> crdlb: I would guess so. I'll speak to Xorg people.
[23:09] <pen> crdlb: btw, it says error when it is checking battery state
[23:09] <musikgoat> icewaterman: compare to the amount of time it takes to display /usr/bin?
[23:10] <musikgoat> icewaterman: i've got 2k files in there, and it took about 10 sec to display them
[23:10] <DanaG> grr... damn mplayer!
[23:10] <crdlb> pen: no, bash doesn't care about indentation, but humans do :>
[23:10] <DanaG> pause, unpause, pause, unpause..... freeeeeeeeeze.
[23:11] <icewaterman> musikgoat: it is much slower here (athlon64x2 5400+ with 4Gig RAM)
[23:11] <icewaterman> > 1 minute and stll not finished
[23:11] <pen> crdlb: but I thought the script has good indentation already?
[23:12] <will00> is there a reason that intrepid cannot automatically find the drivers for my graphics card in the same way hardy did?
[23:12] <crdlb> pen: lines 30-41 appear to be independent of 27-28
[23:12] <icewaterman> musikgoat: almost 2 minutes
[23:12] <icewaterman> for 2k files
[23:12] <crdlb> by indentation, but the code says otherwise
[23:12] <musikgoat> icewaterman: i'm using reiserfs tho, not ext3, that maybe why mine is zippier, i'm running 8.10 x64 on athlon64x2 as well, but 2gb ram
[23:13] <Turl> hi
[23:13] <Turl> where's /etc/inittab in intrepíd?
[23:13] <musikgoat> icewaterman: thats pretty rediculous
[23:13] <icewaterman> yes, this must not be normal
[23:14] <musikgoat> icewaterman: that 2+min was for /usr/bin?
[23:14] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes
[23:14] <pen> crdlb: he just have a space to make his intend clear I think, but the if and fi is still there
[23:14] <pen> I mean, empty line
[23:14] <icewaterman> musikgoat: during that time natuilus will consume almost all the cpu
[23:15] <musikgoat> i wonder if gnome people know anything about it... as they've made alot of enhancements to 2.24
[23:16] <pen> I have that script to make sure nvidia powermizer is not slowing down my system
[23:16] <pen> but
[23:16] <pen> what do you guys do to make powermizer disabled when ac plugged in?
[23:16] <pen> and enable it in battery
[23:17] <zerwas> Is it likely that the daily cd of Intrepid will get any changes until release?
[23:17] <Kwiwaa> hi ! i've just installed intrepid RC, and got no sound ! (but no sound on hardy too), can someone help me please ?
[23:18] <icewaterman> i also get these error messages:FAT: Directory bread(block <number>) failed
[23:18] <icewaterman> but the filesystems fine
[23:20] <zerwas> Kwiwaa, which sound card?
[23:21] <Kwiwaa> lspci : 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[23:22] <icewaterman> musikgoat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470947 that is probably it
[23:22] <zerwas> Kwiwaa, you did not found any solution here? http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=ATI+Technologies+Inc+SBx00+Azalia+%28Intel+HDA%29+ubuntu
[23:22] <musikgoat> icewaterman: interesting
[23:23] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes, it seems intrepid activated assistive tech automatically
[23:23] <icewaterman> now it is working just fine
[23:24] <centaur5> How do you unlock the new network manager to modify settings?
[23:25] <wgrant> centaur5: You don't have to. What gives you the idea that it's needed?
[23:25] <centaur5> wgrant: Wow, so this release you don't have to be admin to change network preferences?
[23:26] <wgrant> centaur5: Correct.
[23:26] <centaur5> wgrant: The reason I ask is because the OK button is grayed out as soon as I make a change to the current settings.
[23:26] <musikgoat> icewaterman: nice, good find
[23:26] <icewaterman> musikgoat: now my box feels like 10 times as fast as before :)
[23:26] <musikgoat> heh
[23:27] <wgrant> centaur5: Which settings?
[23:27] <wgrant> You probably selected an option that needed further input.
[23:28] <centaur5> wgrant: IP address switched to manual and I clicked add and typed in all the IP address information.
[23:29] <musikgoat> what IP settings did you use?
[23:29] <wgrant> centaur5: It works fine for me as long as I have a valid IP address and 0 or more valid DNS servers and search domains set.
[23:29] <icewaterman> musikgoat: thx for help
[23:30] <centaur5> wgrant: I just closed the network manager and did it again and this time it worked. I don't know why that happened I filled every field DNS and everything the first time.
[23:30] <centaur5> False alarm, thanks anyway.  :)  Just out of curiosity, why did they chose to make networking available to any user?
[23:32] <wgrant> centaur5: It's configurable, but it was decided that by default a user which is at the console should be able to configure network connections.
[23:32] <Dulak> wgrant: where do you turn that off?  I don't need my g/f fiddling with that just to play mahjongg
[23:32] <centaur5> wgrant: I'm actually glad they did that cause it's very common people have to change that.
[23:32] <wgrant> (remote users don't get that privilege)
[23:33] <wgrant> Dulak: Should be /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf
[23:33] <Dulak> wgrant: thanks
[23:33] <wgrant> It's not configurable through normal policykit means, it seems :(
[23:39] <Zerothis> is there a standard/proper way to setup a shared "public documents" that 'nobody' owns?
[23:43] <xaron>  Is it possible to install ubuntu on a USB flash drive with an encrypted root (using the alternate installer CD)?
[23:44] <wiivile2> xaron: id like to decrypt your root if you know what i mean ;)
[23:44] <xaron> no, I don't
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Owned :o
[23:45] <xaron> um
[23:47] <UnNaturalHigh> hi #ubuntu+1, does anyone know how one would go about changing the default cpu governor?
[23:47] <wiivile2> xaron: sorry if i made you uncomfortable. i just think youre really cute :\
[23:47] <djhash_> impeach?!
[23:48] <wiivile2> UnNaturalHigh: you'd have to call for a recall election or impeach, i think, unless it's a gubernatorial election next week
[23:48] <LjL> !offtopic
[23:48] <xaron> wiivile2: quit the drugs
[23:50] <wiivile2> you think i have to be on drugs to think youre cute?
[23:50] <wiivile2> :\
[23:51] <LjL> wiivile2: quit it
[23:51] <xaron> wiivile2: don't PM me.
[23:51] <ripps> lol
[23:53] <DanaG> argh... damned nv won't even play a video properly!
[23:53] <DanaG> It shows about 3 frames.... and then stops updating.