[08:22] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:41] <nand> good moorning!
[09:26] <b_mind> hey guys, does somebody knows hot to change tabs background here http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terminalik3.png without modifying background of all GtkContainer ?
[13:37] <thorwil> _MMA_: welcome, sir!
[13:37] <_MMA_> Yo
[13:38]  * _MMA_ will be around for a good part of the day today. (Is his last weekend in Mexico)
[13:38] <thorwil> _MMA_: i wonder, have you had a listen to severed fifth?
[13:38] <_MMA_> thorwil: I am a friend of Jonos. :) So yes.
[13:40] <thorwil> hope he will release track-wise, so i can have a play, remix
[13:41] <thorwil> _MMA_: is it my ears not used to the style or are the guitars a bit raspy?
[13:42] <_MMA_> They are. It's his tuning I believe. Not as low as you hear now-a-days I believe.
[20:27] <atwkevin> Hello. =)
[20:32] <atwkevin> Seems to be quite dead in here.
[20:32] <thorwil> brains!
[20:33] <atwkevin> D: ew.
[20:36] <atwkevin> : D thought i would throw a few things into the hat here.
[20:36] <thorwil> things? hat?
[20:36] <kwwii> who's hat?
[20:37] <atwkevin> Niel Patrick Harris's hat.
[20:37] <thorwil> at least no throwing hats like odd-job
[20:37] <kwwii> I only wear hats when it is cold or raining
[20:38] <atwkevin> anyways, are you all familiar with a program known as apophysis?
[20:38] <thorwil> nope
[20:39] <atwkevin> it cranks out some pretty good looking wallpapers from fractals.
[20:40] <kwwii> cool, you should make some and put them on the wiki with your suggestions
[20:40] <thorwil> fractals are scary. you never know what's hiding in them a few iterations in!
[20:41] <atwkevin> http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/vashthstampede98/Apophysis-080905-460.jpg
[20:41] <atwkevin> www.apophysis.org
[20:41] <atwkevin> i think... >.>
[20:42] <thorwil> bah, Freeware editor for Windows
[20:43] <kwwii> ouch, nasty stuff that "freeware"
[20:44] <atwkevin> Yeah. I know. Buuuuut it works.
[20:44] <_MMA_> There's a 100 ways to do them in linux as well. I even think there are GIMP plugins.
[20:45] <atwkevin> That and it supports 3 cores =_=
[20:46] <_MMA_> http://s10.invisionfree.com/Raptor_Designs/index.php?showtopic=31
[20:46] <atwkevin> I see ^^
[20:47] <kwwii> I must admit that all the stuff I have seen on linux makes pics that look mainly like lots of lines, nothing really nice
[20:47] <atwkevin> http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/vashthstampede98/Apophysis-080912-34.jpg
[20:47] <atwkevin> these take around 2 minutes to render across a phenom X3
[20:48] <thorwil> not exciting at all. unlike http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/fractal.jpg
[20:48] <atwkevin> That looks as if it were photoshopped :P
[20:48] <kwwii> the point of the artwork should not just be to find a pretty pic to use...there should also be a whole structure behind why we use it and what we want, etc.
[20:48] <kwwii> god, I sound like troy
[20:49] <thorwil> or me
[20:49] <atwkevin> Haha.
[20:49] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ha!! :P
[20:49] <atwkevin> My point in art design is to evoke emotion.
[20:51] <thorwil> atwkevin: and what would that emotion be for ubuntu?
[20:51] <atwkevin> i have a lot of almost-finished stuff in Deep Paint.
[20:52] <atwkevin> And if I were to select an emotion for it, I would select tranquility, yet deep down inside there is a sense of rigidity and prowess.
[20:52] <thorwil> atwkevin: do you have anything up, online?
[20:53] <atwkevin> Yeah. lots of almost-there type things. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/vashthstampede98/middleorb.jpg
[20:53] <kwwii> any good design should evoke emotion...knowing which emotions you want to evoke is something else
[20:53] <atwkevin> http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/vashthstampede98/gem1.jpg
[20:54] <_MMA_> ***kwwii is now known as troy_s
[20:54] <atwkevin> I think this is my fave, cause it's simple yet dramatic. Hooray colored crystal. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/vashthstampede98/DSCN0782-1.jpg
[20:55] <thorwil> Deep Paint must be something than what i thought or I don't see the point in using it here
[20:56] <thorwil> +else
[20:57] <atwkevin> i dont understand what you are trying to say ^^;
[20:57] <thorwil> atwkevin: i'd say the change in contrast is dramatic. but the composition is boring to non-existant and i'm pretty sure i'mnot the only one wondering what the heck that is about or tries to be
[20:58] <_MMA_> +1
[20:58] <thorwil> atwkevin: i though Deep paint was for drawing textures right on 3d models. i don't see 3d here
[20:58] <atwkevin> not the old Deep Paint.
[20:58] <kwwii> I'd simply say that those works do not evoke any emotion in my other than loneliness and seclusion, perhaps a general feel of "spooky"
[20:58] <kwwii> and anyway, they have way too much contrast for a wallpaper
[20:59] <atwkevin> Okay.
[21:00] <atwkevin> well i guess art is in the eye of the beholder.
[21:01] <kwwii> definitely
[21:01] <thorwil> artnay: you are not on the wrong way if you want tranquility
[21:01] <kwwii> what I just said is my *opinion* not a fact in any way
[21:01]  * thorwil removes troyness from kwwii 
[21:02] <thorwil> artnay: though i think ubuntu has to be warm and welcoming, a sense of a lively community and all that
[21:03] <thorwil> decidedly not mysterious, except maybe for a little tribal touch
[21:08] <atwkevin> *yawns*
[21:09] <thorwil> spot on! good night! :)
[21:09] <_MMA_> Night sir
[21:12] <atwkevin> heh.
[21:18] <atwkevin> ack. mount is being annoying again :\
[21:43] <RyanPrior> Here's a concept: create a set of panoramic images for Intrepid+1 that can act as desktop backgrounds, then set a different subselection of the panorama for each virtual desktop. Then, while switching from one desktop to another, you see the panorama scroll one way or another.
[21:45] <RyanPrior> That could really wow people.
[21:51] <_MMA_> Would be best for KDE as you cant do it with GNOME. (not without a patched Nautilus that relies on Compiz anyway)
[21:53] <BHSPitLappy> RyanPrior, not as impressive as a cube
[21:54] <RyanPrior> BHSPitLappy: If you did it as a cylinder instead of a cube, it would be just as impressive. (And I think the cylinder looks sweet!)
[21:54] <RyanPrior> _MMA_: Since we have some development time before Jaunty, we could certainly work with Nautilus to make it happen.
[21:55] <_MMA_> RyanPrior: As the patch is not currently upstream, there's about a snowballs chance.
[21:55] <BHSPitLappy> let's do a Dodecahedral desktop
[21:55] <BHSPitLappy> "It's Dodecawesome!"
[21:56] <RyanPrior> _MMA_: you're saying that no development work done now will get into Jaunty? That's ridiculous.
[21:57] <_MMA_> I'm saying that since the current patch is outside GNOME and relies on yet another project outside GNOME, I wouldn't hold my breath.
[21:57] <BHSPitLappy> it's more complicated when you're asking GNOME to add a whimsical feature for giggles
[21:57] <RyanPrior> I'm not planning on holding my breath. I asked about it in here hoping to find somebody who would help me take action.
[21:58] <_MMA_> RyanPrior: We're art-nerds. We do nothing about the underlying tech.
[21:58] <RyanPrior> BHSPitLappy: pretty is a feature, and Ubuntu/Gnome need things to fuel excitement about their software in a way that "Nautilus now has tabs" doesn't.
[21:58] <_MMA_> haha.
[21:58]  * _MMA_ loves the new tabs. ;)
[21:58] <RyanPrior> _MMA_: I'm a tech nerd and know nothing about creating panoramic images. I figured I might find that bit in an art hangout.
[21:59] <RyanPrior> The new tabs are great, and we constantly need to have improvements like that, but stuff like this is as importnat.
[21:59] <_MMA_> RyanPrior: Get the tech squared away and upstream and we'll be happy to help you prettify things.
[22:00] <BHSPitLappy> yeah
[22:00] <BHSPitLappy> well, tabs has not been the feature I've been wanting nautilus to have for years
[22:00] <BHSPitLappy> more like PANES!
[22:01]  * _MMA_ has wanted to win a 100 million $ lottery for 20 years now.
[22:11] <kwwii> my life needs tabs
[22:12] <aantn> kwwii: :)
[22:12] <_MMA_> Yeah. The instant they showed up I used 'em. That and the compact list view that every other browser has had for years.
[22:17] <kwwii> with my new computer, I finally started using evolution...it is way behind kmail in functionality
[22:17] <kwwii> think I will try thunderbird
[22:18] <kwwii> evolution feels like a windows mail client from 10 years ago
[22:18] <_MMA_> kwwii: I tried to switch to Epiphany/Evolution. Didn't have the features I wanted. I went back to Thunderbird/FF.
[22:20] <kwwii> I mean, evo doesn't even have a "next unread" function
[22:20] <kwwii> everybody praises it like it is the next big thing
[22:21] <kwwii> makes me so angry I need to listen to the new severed fifth
[22:21] <kwwii> lol
[22:21] <_MMA_> \m/
[22:21] <BHSPitLappy> with tabs in nautilus, can you drag a file onto a tab?
[22:22] <_MMA_> Yes
[22:22] <BHSPitLappy> okay, then they're halfway there :P
[22:22] <BHSPitLappy> but seriously, paned filebrowsers win
[22:23] <kwwii> how is it that my ati card worked great with compiz in hardy and now no longer finds a driver?
[22:24] <_MMA_> kwwii: There was some mention of that on other lists. Hit up Ted I guess. Or Bryce.
[22:24] <kwwii> oh, they'll just tell me it doesn't work
[22:25] <kwwii> as a normal user it means blah, blah blah
[22:25] <_MMA_> :P
[22:25] <_MMA_> Thats why I buy Intel/nVidia. *Never* had an issue.
[22:26] <kwwii> my thinkpad has intel, it works great
[22:26] <kwwii> but apparently most nVidia cards have problems with compiz in intrepid as well
[22:26] <kwwii> I get the bugs on the human theme all day long
[22:26] <kwwii> some intel cards as well
[22:27] <_MMA_> My 7950GT works as expected.
[22:27] <kwwii> I guess nobody reports bugs on that for ati because compiz doesn't work to begin with :p
[22:27] <_MMA_> Well, as of a month ago anyway.
[22:28] <kwwii> hehe, don't update!
[22:28] <kwwii> I guess this will become my first ever windows computer
[22:28] <_MMA_> oh noes!
[22:28] <kwwii> replacing my powerbook g4
[22:28] <kwwii> that has become my mac dvd player
[22:29] <kwwii> a little more than 10 years working with linux and the problems are still the same
[22:29] <kwwii> sad, really
[22:29] <_MMA_> :(
[22:29]  * _MMA_ heads off to a BBQ. Big steaks and thick cut salmon. Mmmm..
[22:30] <_MMA_> bbl
[22:30] <kwwii> enjoy
[22:30] <kwwii> mesquite, yes!
[22:31] <kwwii> btw, did dst end in america already?
[22:31] <_MMA_> dst?
[22:32]  * _MMA_ saw the message as he walked out the door.
[22:32] <_MMA_> digital TV?
[22:32] <_MMA_> Over the air tv?
[22:32] <kwwii> day light savings time
[22:33] <_MMA_> ha
[22:33] <kwwii> daylight savings time
[22:33]  * _MMA_ doesnt know.
[22:33] <kwwii> :-)
[22:33]  * _MMA_ out.
[22:38] <kwwii> lucazade1 ! nice to see you again!
[22:38] <kwwii> I think I will greet everyone in the channel like that from now on
[22:38] <Flannel> kwwii: No, November 2
[22:39] <kwwii> just to piss everyone off
[22:39] <kwwii> Flannel: killer, thanks!
[22:39] <kwwii> in europe is ended yesterday
[22:39] <kwwii> s/is/it