[00:23] can apport be used independently of launchpad and Ubuntu packages? [00:23] for example, is there any way for an app I compile from source to configure apport so that it handles its crashes (even though it's not from an APT package), and reports them directly to the developers? === doko_ is now known as doko [00:50] looks like it's not possible yet... [00:51] PovAddict: ask pitti when he's around (European working hours) [00:51] I actually found a wiki page about it [00:51] about how it's "in plans" :) [00:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportForUpstreams [00:54] btw why is the launchpad blueprint part of 'ubuntu' instead of 'apport'? [01:05] doko: ping === sylvaing_ is now known as sylvaing [05:08] cjwatson, you around? [05:10] how can I install TAO on ubuntu? [05:10] I mean, tao-opengl [05:12] hello? [05:14] ytoox, this isn't a support channel, please try #ubuntu [05:14] I did, but no one pays attention [05:29] anyone looking at this: 285323 [05:29] bug 285323 [05:29] Launchpad bug 285323 in gnome-power-manager "Losing keyboard and mouse control when changing screen brightness with fn + arrow under intrepid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285323 [05:43] Does anyone know a good lightweight repo management tool I can run as non-root? [05:44] NCommander: Dunno if it qualifies, but did you look at falcon? [05:44] ScottK, never heard of it [05:44] * NCommander wants to have an easy repo tool he can dump into his homefolder on zinc [05:45] OK. Try that. It's packaged. Dunno if it fits or not. [05:45] I don't have root, so packages are kinda useless ;-) [05:45] Oh. [05:46] yeah [05:46] I want a place where I can easily upload built PowerPC (and other ports) kernels [05:59] ScottK, I think I can use reprepro, although I had to install libdb4.6 into a folder in my home folder [06:00] Good luck and good night. [06:01] thanks ScottK [09:05] PovAddict: apport has an abstract "CrashDatabase", so one could implement this to do whatever with the reports; /etc/apport/crashdb.conf does the switching === asac_ is now known as asac === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [10:17] anyone around? if so, can anyone point me to information about why we change libopenal in intrepid? ie. why it had an ABI change? [10:19] jussi01: when did it have an api change? [10:19] It broke ABI, not API, I believe. [10:19] oh [10:19] Hobbsee: not sure exactly, but its different intrepid [10:20] Why do you ask? [10:20] It's not abnormal to have ABI breaks. [10:20] In this case we moved to a different OpenAL implementation. [10:21] wgrant: I guess Im looking for a bit more information specifically on what changed [10:21] and why it change - what was broken in the old one that needed fixing [10:22] Bug #194919 [10:22] Launchpad bug 194919 in openal "libopenal needs replacement" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194919 [10:22] ABIs break. That's life. [10:23] yeah [10:23] jussi01, Because the old one was creative's and not being updated very much, and buggy, and trending towards greater hardware dependence. We selected a fork that is hardware-independent, and much more active. [10:23] persia: ok, thanks a lot. [10:24] jussi01, Umm. Actually, let me get you a real reason, as that's a bit off-the-cuff [10:25] Debian bug #494909 is probably a good reference [10:25] Debian bug 494909 in ftp.debian.org "RM: openal -- RoRA; superceded by openal-soft" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/494909 [10:26] Debian bug #473128 has more discussion [10:26] Debian bug 473128 in wnpp "ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the" [Wishlist,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/473128 [10:27] jussi01, For even more detail, read the debian-devel-games ML archives. [10:28] persia: thank you very much, I appreciate your help. :) === DrKranz is now known as DktrKranz === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz === Igorot is now known as ManyakisAko === ManyakisAko is now known as Igorot [14:24] mdz: displaybrighness is still not working on my x41 [14:33] Hi! Suppose I would try fixing bug 3235, that would mean adding some files to the defaultinstallation of Ubuntu, how would I do that? How does it work? Would I make a package installing those files? [14:33] Launchpad bug 3235 in nautilus "Install Template Documents" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3235 [14:45] wow, such an old bug [14:55] ArneGoetje: ping [14:56] ArneGoetje: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/scim-bridge/0.4.14-2ubuntu4 << I don't understand this change, the new patch checks if scim-helper is running, but there is no binary named scim-helper on Ubuntu... [14:56] so, the bug fixed by 0.4.14-2ubuntu1 is back [14:56] and Kubuntu 8.10 has the 10/20 seconds at startup of each app [14:56] did you test your change? [15:05] ArneGoetje: just saw that the patch was completely disabled in fact, so my comment on scim-helper is not really relevant [15:05] But we should revert to the state in -2ubuntu2 [15:05] Riddell: ^ [15:13] smarter: do you have the scim package installed? [15:13] yes [15:13] and skim [15:13] smarter: I commented on the scim-helper thing when reviewing that change, but as you say the patch is disabled so it's not relevant [15:13] Arne tells me skim should not be installed [15:13] I tried removing skim but it doesn't work better [15:14] as the bug in the changelog indicates, the state in -2ubuntu2 left GTK broken. We can't just revert to it [15:14] wasn't -2ubuntu3 which broke GTK? [15:15] I tested Arne's change in GTK when sponsoring it, but was unable to check KDE [15:15] possible, I suppose [15:15] cjwatson: FYI just testing the desktop install CD for PS3 - not working :( - uses usplash of course which is one problem, second problem trying install_nosplash option is it can't mount /dev/loop0 or something - investigating [15:15] munckfish: oh, will need to turn usplash off in cdimage too [15:16] cjwatson: ok [15:16] ah, but that's no good if install_nosplash is broken ... [15:16] cjwatson: according to the date of the bug, I'm pretty sure it's -2ubuntu3 which broke GTK [15:16] so Riddell's change should be reverted [15:16] cjwatson: yep, I'm checking that out now will get logs and other info [15:16] smarter: but he made that change for a reason, right? [15:16] I'd like to know what that reason was! [15:16] me too :P [15:17] I don't approve of reverting changes without finding out what they were for [15:18] cjwatson: but good news is installed from alt installer on Friday night, the installer has a few scary moments but once installed everything is working lovely :D [15:18] hey munckfish [15:18] smarter: so why would -2ubuntu2 help? all that did was just check whether scim is installed, and the dependency in -2ubuntu4 satisfies that without that patch applied [15:19] smarter: in other words, -2ubuntu2 and -2ubuntu4 ought to be equivalent for KDE, aside from the focus fix [15:20] cjwatson: the one scary in the alt is it hangs for about 20/25 mins at 6% in "Selecting and installing software" section, watching the syslog it seems it's reading packages from the disk for about 10 mins with no log, then after a while it says "Extracting templates: 1%, ... 2% ... etc" [15:20] NCommander: hi! [15:21] munckfish, see my email to ubuntu-cell? [15:21] oh not yet [15:21] haven't got my email on [15:21] (checking) [15:21] munckfish: anything that isn't a showstopper, I'm ignoring right now [15:22] cjwatson: hmm, you're right, sorry, the bug is there in -2ubuntu2 too, but not on ubuntu3 on KDE [15:22] right, and ubuntu3 broke GTK. [15:22] so why isn't scim running? [15:22] smarter: are you using a locale where you would expect to use an input method? [15:23] nop, fr_FR [15:23] cjwatson: sure of course wondered if you would be surprised by it thats all [15:23] munckfish: vaguely heard of it, not worried at the moment though [15:23] smarter: ok, so I tested the same kind of scenario in GTK and it was fine [15:23] i.e. scim not running [15:24] if I launch scim-panel-kde or skim, it works [15:24] so perhaps we should move the check in that patch to the Qt4 agent [15:24] (no delay on startup) [15:24] that looks like a good idea [15:29] or I suppose alternatively we could actually fix the check (scim-helper-launcher IIRC) [15:29] scim-helper-manager [15:30] smarter: if you launch scim-panel-kde, is there a scim-helper-manager process running? [15:30] yes [15:33] smarter: would you be able to build a test package for me from source to try it out, or would you need me to give you test .debs? [15:33] I know how to build a package ^^' [15:33] (I'm a MOTU :P) [15:34] and I'm on amd64 so your .debs would not help me I guess [15:34] that would depend where I built it :-) [15:35] smarter: in that case, try just applying http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/scim-bridge.debdiff to -2ubuntu4 [15:35] ok [15:37] hmm strange, it FTBFS [15:38] http://pastebin.com/m29828974 [15:39] 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0t0r0i0e0s0 0w0i0t0h0 0p0b0u0i0l0d0e0r00 [15:58] smarter: built fine for me [15:59] built fine on a pbuilder too, strange [15:59] your patch seems to work :) [15:59] good, just testing with GTK now [16:00] and no scim-{panel,helper,...} instance running [16:00] have you tried in both fr_FR and in some locale that uses scim-bridge (e.g. zh_CN.UTF-8)? [16:00] it would be helpful if you could - you just need to check whether you can type letters into an editor or something and have the input method widget appear [16:01] 00A0C0T0I0O0N0 0t0r0i0e0s0 0t0o0 0i0n0s0t0a0l0l0 0o0t0h0e0r0 0l0o0c0a0l0e0 0u0s0i0n0g0 0q0t0-0l0a0n0g0u0a0g0e0-0s0e0l0e0c0t0o0r00 [16:02] *another [16:02] your IRC client is screwed [16:03] 16:01 P0AP0AP0CP0TP0IP0OP0NP0 P0tP0rP0iP0eP0sP0 P0tP0oP0 P0iP0nP0sP0tP0aP0lP0lP0 P0oP0tP0hP0eP0rP0 P0lP0oP0cP0aP0lP0eP0 P0uP0sP0iP0nP0gP0 [16:03] P0qP0tP0-P0lP0aP0nP0gP0uP0aP0gP0eP0-P0sP0eP0lP0eP0cP0tP0oP0rP0AP0 [16:03] Oo [16:03] smarter, Is that UTF-8? [16:03] no idea [16:03] I didn't see that [16:03] it's not UTF-8 [16:03] each character is surrounded by some control character junk [16:03] it's only when you use /me [16:05] über strange [16:06] ok, that works for me except that it should be pidof scim-helper-manager >/dev/null [16:07] smarter: no garbage here [16:07] we learn: quassel ownes them all [16:08] you're both using quassel and I guess it must be buggy then [16:08] probably [16:08] even smarter's CTCP VERSION output is broken, but apachelogger's isn't [16:08] so perhaps smarter has some kind of "use my proprietary format" option checked [16:08] smarter: do you run the core on your local machine? [16:09] yes [16:09] maybe I should restart it [16:09] since there was an update today [16:09] yes! [16:09] that could have done it [16:09] we screwed up a QByteArray ;-) [16:10] ah yes [16:10] scim-bridge uploaded [16:10] * smarter test [16:10] ^ better? [16:10] yes [16:11] thanks [16:11] cool [16:11] and thank you cjwatson for your patch :) [16:11] smarter: did you have any luck testing in Chinese? [16:11] I'm downloading it [16:11] I'd feel better if we knew that it worked in KDE with scim switched on too - the fourth case out of four [16:12] oh, it's installed [16:12] what's the locale name of chinese? [16:12] zh_CN.UTF-8 [16:12] is there a chance that wbxml2 is upgraded to 0.9.2-5 before release? [16:12] mitsuhiko: what for? [16:13] the current version seems to have a bug. my nokia phone can't sync with opensync [16:13] the #opensync guys tell me to upgrade the wbxml2 lib [16:13] cjwatson: LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=zh_CN KDE_LANG=zh_CN kate, kate pops up, but there is no scim running [16:13] http://libsyncml.opensync.org/ticket/153 <- related bug [16:14] (and it's in chinese, afaik) [16:14] smarter: you need to restart the whole session in Chinese for it to work properly [16:14] hmm okay [16:14] isn't there a language selection thing in kdm? [16:14] nop [16:14] I'll just change the language using qt-language-selector [16:15] mitsuhiko, simultaneous traffic in -motu points at Debian bug #487217 for wbxml2 (and #ubuntu-motu is probably the right forum for this discussion) [16:15] Debian bug 487217 in libwbxml2-0 "libwbxml2-0: Several SyncML flaws" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/487217 [16:15] mitsuhiko: needs an Ubuntu developer to assess bug 267397 / bug 287838 and decide if it's a safe update at this point [16:15] Launchpad bug 267397 in wbxml2 "Sync package with debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267397 [16:15] Launchpad bug 287838 in wbxml2 "msynctool of nokia 6120 crashes with 0x43 permission denied libwbxml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287838 [16:15] cjwatson: and should I let skim installed or not? [16:16] * mitsuhiko tries the debian package for a moment to see if that fixes the problem [16:16] smarter: I don't believe Kubuntu installs it by default any more now [16:17] mitsuhiko: we are five days before release, and any update needs an Ubuntu developer standing behind it and ready to fix any regressions at short notice [16:17] but it's probably installed by the language-selector thing [16:17] mitsuhiko: I would suggest that this might be better as a post-release update ... [16:17] smarter: not as far as I know [16:17] okay, I'll try without [16:17] cjwatson: can it become any more broken? :D [16:17] in fact, I'm pretty certain it isn't [16:17] mitsuhiko: it could break other phones [16:18] i can't sync a single nokia phone right now [16:18] at least none with s60 on it [16:18] is there someone in the ubuntu team that uses opensync i can talk with? [16:18] I really can't say whether it's a good idea. Find a developer to investigate it. As persia said, #ubuntu-motu is a better forum [16:18] okay [16:18] thanks [16:20] my system is still in french(probably needs a reboot or something else in the config) but I have scim running in the panel [16:20] bbl [16:25] smarter: and does typing in an editor go through the input method? [17:08] Hi, I'm unsure how to ask this question and where to ask it, but I hope maybe you could point me in the right direction: I have a svn server with a web page. How do I do that code accessable as the web page. So that I can make a changes and view it [17:09] cjwatson: nop [17:10] 卡龌 [17:11] smarter, That looks right. [17:11] oh, it works if I choose some random stuff in the left-click menu of scim and then right click on a field --> IM --> scim-bridge [17:11] at least with pure Qt apps [17:11] * smarter tests with Kate [17:12] hmm, it doesn't work but IIRC I need to define an env variable to make it work === Zic_ is now known as Zic [17:23] cjwatson: it only works on apps which let me change the input method(Kopete and Quassel, but not Kate or Firefox) [17:23] but that's probably another problem [17:39] smarter: ok, this sounds like scim configuration oddness rather than anything wrong with scim-bridge, so I'm content [17:40] I am too :) [17:47] pitti: thx for the info, I'll have a look at that file [17:50] smarter: thanks for the testing === fta_ is now known as fta [18:56] hello, is there anyone interested in usb-creator && vmware && fixing small issue I have identified and resolved? [18:57] I have found that attachning a USB disk enclosure does not allow you to make it bootable for some reason [18:57] after digging for a second I found out that the issue is caused by HAL not thinking this device is removable, usb-creator does not consider non-removable devices [18:58] I commented out that single dependency (on removability) and it appears to work fine [19:03] zyga, Surely that's a HAL bug though, rather than a usb-creator bug. [19:05] persia: I'm going to report it for usb-creator first but I think you may be right [19:05] still I'm not sure that usb-creator is doing the right thing to require removable devices [19:06] zyga, Hmm. Well, when would you want to use it for a non-removable device? [19:06] I can maybe see the use case for mmc cards (where the storage isn't removable, because the entire interface is removable), but that's somewhat of a corner case. [19:08] on Windows, if I do "safe remove" on one of the drive letters from my memory card reader, it "unmounts" the card reader, not the card... can't use reader again until I reboot [19:09] would my card reader be considered a removable device by Linux's HAL? (can I check?) [19:10] PovAddict: yes you can check [19:10] w8 [19:11] PovAddict: I think you can use hal-device to see what hal thinks about your card reader [19:11] it thinks it's four devices [19:11] lamont: Any chance you could give primero a kick and get it going again? [19:12] I'm going to leave and reboot to my usb disk now [19:13] if anyone is interested the bug is id: lp #289599 [19:13] Launchpad bug 289599 in usb-creator "usb-creator does not work with usb/ide disk enclosure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289599 [19:13] linux.hotplug_type = 3 (0x3) (int) [19:13] storage.removable = true (bool) [19:46] why alsamixer shows only one channel "Master"? Where is other tunes? [20:34] hi, this seems like the sensible place to ask this. Does anyone know what the source package is for the Main Menu in ubuntu (the default apps, places, system one)? [20:51] elliotjhug, gnome-menus [20:52] persia: Thanks [21:04] ScottK, you around? [21:08] For about 120 seconds [21:08] NCommander: ^^ [21:09] Tense! Will he make it back in time? [21:10] Nope. See you all later. [21:10] lol [21:10] * Laney waves [21:29] is it still possible to get a program onto Rosetta (LP's translation thing) for intrepid? [21:29] liw, From traffic in -release, I think the final langpack builds just started, which would mean no. [21:30] dang. ok, serves me right for being late. [21:30] You might be able to get it into the langpack updates, but I don't have any idea how that works. [21:32] the name 'Rosetta' is too overloaded :/ [21:34] Is there a way to show the guest account available from user switching on the Login window list? [21:48] is there an easy way to get python with debug symbols? my current plan is apt-get source python... build... [21:49] python-dbg? [21:49] CarlFK, python2.5-dbg - Debug Build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.5) [21:49] CarlFK: uhm.. python-dbg? [21:49] lol [21:49] bam bam bam! [21:49] thanks [21:49] * NCommander loves when answers come in stereo [21:50] how many things have a -dbg version? [21:50] apt-cache search -dbg | wc -l [21:50] CarlFK, most libraries do [21:50] almost six hundred packages [21:50] 738 [21:51] 589 here :) [21:51] * PovAddict has hardy [21:51] * NCommander runs intrepid [21:51] error here xD [21:51] ahaha [21:51] E: Command line option 'd' [from -dbg] is not known. [21:51] And when there aren't -dbg packages, there are often -dbgsym packages available from ddebs.ubuntu.com [21:51] hmm.. guess the count isn't what I was wondering ... just knowing about -dbg is all I need [21:51] ok, now 735 [21:51] (with \\-dbg) [21:54] NCommander: did you use \\- too or am I weird? :) [21:54] YOur just weird [21:55] ah k, that explains it all [21:57] http://dpaste.com/86899/ python import fg; g = fg.Grabber(); help(g) segfault. is that a python problem, or fg.Grabber() ? [21:57] persia: how do I use a .ddeb? [21:58] fg came from http://antonym.org/libfg === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [22:11] i have a pretty bad problem with lsusb #kubuntu and #linux wernt much help [22:13] basically lsusb, lsmod, modprobe -r, rmmod all freeze up the terminal in which i use them (i can still type in it but nothing has any effect), i think its a pretty bad kernel bug and would like to try and find the cause to report it, any ideas? [22:14] it was caused by loading up a beta webcam driver but i dont think freezing up the lsusb can be blamed on the driver [22:15] Sure it can. Buggy kernel modules can wreak all sorts of havoc. [22:16] sounds like the module oopsed the kernel [22:16] that's typically common of buggy kernel modules. [22:16] look in dmesg for a stacktrace [22:18] got the stacktrace, makes no sense to me should i pastebin it then pass it on to the webcam driver developers?