[01:34] <little> Hi again, Dougie. (:
[01:43] <DougieRichardson> hi!
[01:44] <DougieRichardson> can't sleep - worried I'll forget clocks go back
[01:45] <little> LOL. Why not just set them back?
[01:50] <little> They don't go back until November 4!
[01:50] <little> So you can sleep. (:
[01:51] <DougieRichardson> they go back tonight - in the UK
[01:52] <little> Ah, I didn't realize you did them on different days. Learn something new every day. (:
[01:54] <DougieRichardson> in 5 minutes time... 0200 on the last Sunday in October.
[01:55] <DougieRichardson> I'm sure someone asked that hardware list to come on board a while back.
[01:55] <little> Will you be allowed to go to sleep once they do?
[01:55] <DougieRichardson> LoL
[01:56] <little> Those hardware pages need some love. If that page is well structured, then those guys would be a great addition. (:
[01:56] <DougieRichardson> Never really got into the wiki to be honest.
[01:57] <little> I started to, but it's overwhelmingly huge, and it seems that any change is just tiny when compared to all the attention it needs.
[01:57] <little> I will continue working on it, but I won't delude myself that I can make any kind of significant change in it. (:
[01:00] <DougieRichardson> I like the idea of community documentation but worry that there seems to be a drive to turn it into a comprehensive help system - which is kind of the system helps job. The community wiki is for things like "howto turn Ubuntu into a toast printing machine"
[01:00] <DougieRichardson> Atleast it was, that kind of stuff you don't see so much now.
[01:02] <little> LOL - have you seen the page at TLDP on how to run a coffee maker with Linux?
[01:03] <little> This is where it takes a keen eye to spot pages that duplicate system pages and then link to those instead, I guess.
[01:05] <DougieRichardson> I guess so. Well its after 0200 sorry 0100 now so I'm off. TTFN
[03:56] <bustacap> hello - are there any ubuntu-doc team members alive in here atm?
[03:59] <bustacap> OK, I am announcing that I am cleaning up the poo-fight that the EncryptedFilesystem series of pages is in at the moment on the help.ubuntu.com/community wiki - if you guys don't like what I end up doing to it, drop me an email and change it back :)
[04:04] <bustacap> also, a heads-up now to show that I have identified myself as well with the NickServ :)
[04:07] <bustacap> /msg ubottu naamanc
[04:07] <bustacap> /msg ubottu member
[19:05] <technomensch> I had no idea the open source community could be so brutal and defensive
[19:34] <jjesse> technomensch: what are you talking about?
[19:37] <technomensch> my most recent email thread regarding the wiki team home page
[19:41] <Rocket2DMn> people are defensive in the real world, too, it's not just the open source community
[19:42] <Rocket2DMn> its very easy to step on people's toes
[19:42] <technomensch> ::nod:: which is why this is good experience :)
[19:42] <Rocket2DMn> indeed
[19:42] <Atamira> to what technomensch ?
[19:42] <Atamira> to see how many ppl you can piss off before xmas?
[19:43] <Rocket2DMn> Just apologize, mention that it wasn't your intention, and be done with it.  You dragged that email out for way too long.
[19:43] <technomensch> understood.
[19:43] <technomensch> now, moving on :)
[19:45] <Rocket2DMn> either my imap server sucks, or some other people's smtp servers suck, b/c ive been getting some emails delayed by as much as a day or more
[19:45] <technomensch> seriously?
[19:45] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, like Scott's email just came in with in the last few hours, and its dated yesterday evening
[19:46] <jjesse> i just saw scots email as well via gmail for some reason
[19:46] <technomensch> did you get the one I sent out maybe an hour ago where I did include my apology?
[19:46] <Rocket2DMn> yeah
[19:48] <technomensch> oodd
[19:49] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, its entirely possible its my aol imap, but ive never really had problems with it, it happens with bug updates sometimes, too i think
[19:49] <Rocket2DMn> spam filter grabs some legit bug updates, too.  bummer
[19:50] <technomensch> wait..you're using aol imap?
[19:50] <Rocket2DMn> lol yes, its a very old email address which i send all my web traffic stuff to (which is what  Ubuntu started with, then just grew...)
[19:54] <DougieRichardson> me too - scott's email arrived today, weird and confusing
[19:57] <Rocket2DMn> ah so its not just me, good
[19:57] <DougieRichardson> its been weird, i had no idea what the fuss was.
[19:58] <technomensch> which fuss?
[19:59] <DougieRichardson> well not fuss, but what scott had said. I only saw what you replied.
[20:01] <technomensch> I decided to just give up.  I spoke with littlegirl, who to my knowledge, has become the kubuntu go-to person, about it
[20:02] <DougieRichardson> people get really touchy about colour. its interesting from a psychological point of view as to why
[20:02] <technomensch> ::nod::
[20:04] <DougieRichardson> i often wondered if the choice of a colour scheme, chosen to represent "earth" and ubuntu's origin was sensible
[20:04] <DougieRichardson> esp when its common for people to install blubuntu
[20:05] <technomensch> is that what you call kubuntu?
[20:05] <technomensch> anyway, I have to be going.
[20:05] <technomensch> later all
[20:06] <DougieRichardson> no, blubuntu is a package for ubuntu giving a blue theme
[20:26] <nellery> it's a nice theme ;) I'm using it now
[20:34] <DougieRichardson> lol