[01:49] awsoonn: Did you ever get an answer to your VNC question? === danopia_ is now known as danopia [03:28] i installed kde by doing aptget install kde, but its a 3.* version, how can i get the latest 4.* ? [03:30] maybe ask in #kubuntu or #kubuntu-kde4 [03:31] I'd recommend /j #kubuntu-kde4 [04:35] I noticed an RC is out, is it fairly stable? [04:36] Can you upgrade to the RC with synaptic? [04:36] yes, and yes. [04:37] found it .. update-manager -d is all I need to run [04:43] anyone here run apt-cacher-ng [04:44] I seem to be having problems running that command. [04:44] I moved the 02proxy file out of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ folder to fix it, but I'd like to save bandwidth ... [04:45] so if I download it now, it won't need to be downloaded later. [04:45] I guess I should google .. [04:47] !aptoncd [04:47] APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers [04:59] favro: I'm using apt-catcher-ng :) [05:00] Which means it's a proxy. [05:01] fair enough :) [05:03] Hello I have been reading a guide on how to make xubuntu look like a mac and how do you install themes? I have it in my /usr/share/themes directory and it doesn't show up on user interfaces [05:09] I put themes in my .themes folder - try logout/in and see if it updates [05:12] in your user directory (there is no .themes directory, Yes Hidden folder off). I also tried log off log on. Thanks for the suggestion though. :) [05:13] I had to make that folder :) [05:13] just saves using sudo [05:13] Did that too. Didn't work. :) [05:13] did you unpack the theme? [05:14] yippie works. [05:14] I'm getting the newest version. [05:14] well done the-erm :) [05:14] I'll re-try that because it was a tar.gz inside a tar.gz. BRB. [05:14] k [05:17] It works Thank You. :) [05:18] glad it turned out ok :) [06:04] I have a very strange problem. [06:04] I can play video, but only in black and white! [06:23] help! [06:23] I accidentally removed my entire /usr/share/icons by accident [06:24] I meant to remove specific theme, instead I pressed enter before I finished the line! [06:24] :P [06:28] you'll have to make that dir again and reinstall icons - I use .icons in my home folder to save that sort of hassle [06:29] !icons [06:29] Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (GNOME) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE) [06:29] bahh [06:30] favro, how do I reinstall icons? [06:30] apt-cache search icons to find out what you can install [06:30] oh i c [06:30] the human icons are the default afaik [06:30] what is the difference between /usr/share/icons and .icons? [06:31] if you remove .icons things still work :) [06:31] it just saves using sudo [06:31] what does the period mean? [06:31] a dot file(e.g. .icons) is a hidden file [06:32] ctrl+h in thunar to see them [06:32] apparently there is an unrm [06:32] i dont know if that works ;P [06:32] never heard of it ... [06:33] afaik when you rm the os writes o's over the space [06:34] is there a safer way to delete files? [06:34] move them to trash i guess... [06:34] yep [06:35] so in terminal sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons then apt-cache search icons and take your pick - make sure human is one of them [06:36] then sudo apt-get install 'your icons' [06:36] ok.... human is the system theme? [06:36] it is mostly the default [06:38] i installed both gnome and human [06:38] should i restart [06:39] oh ya! after searching apt-cache, how can I search the output for words or numbers? [06:39] instead of reading each entry listed [06:39] a logout might be all that is needed - I've never removed all the icons [06:39] :P hehe [06:40] apt-cache search icon | grep human [06:40] or whatever [06:40] grep means find lines with the following word in them [06:41] coool! [06:41] ill be back thanks favro [06:41] np :) [06:44] damn [06:44] no go? [06:45] :( [06:45] in terminal ls /usr/share/icons [06:46] hydroxygen [06:46] i had that theme handy, so i installed it [06:46] but it doesnt have all the default ones [06:47] * MHz128 brb [06:47] not alot of them do - that is where the default comes in [06:49] favro, after installing human and xfce default icon themes there are no extra files in /usr/share/icons/ [06:50] howcome? [06:50] I don't know [06:51] open thunar and see how it looks [06:51] ohhh i have to reinstall in synaptic? [06:51] in synaptic or with apt-get - they are the same [06:51] synaptic shows packages installed, but there are no corresponding files [06:52] did you make the dir with the right name? /usr/share/icons? [06:53] not icon [06:53] yup [06:53] k [06:53] when i used apt-get install, nothing was downloaded... [06:53] when I used synaptic it re downloaded the icon package and installed it [06:53] weird [06:53] yeh that is... [06:54] so are they there now? [06:54] they are there now... [06:54] how many more days 'till 8.1? im gonna re install anyways... hehe [06:55] if you use gksu thunar in a terminal it will let you access the system files with admin rights so you can see what you are working on [06:55] !ibex [06:55] Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - WARNING: lots of broken software between now and October 30th! - Use #ubuntu+1 for support, NOT #ubuntu [06:55] so 4 days left [06:56] cool [06:56] the servers will be getting a hammering then withh everyone upgrading :) [06:57] no kidding! [06:57] hehe im sure they can handle it? [06:57] happens every 6 months [06:57] only for a few days or so [06:57] neat [06:59] When reinstalling from scratch, is it possible to leave nonsystem files on the HD without having them be formatted? [07:00] the install formats the system partition [07:01] I have a /home partition that I always keep and store files there during a reinstall [07:03] separate /home is generally a very good idea === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [07:14] favro, will you do a small favor for me? [07:14] can you pastebin the contentes of your /usr/share/icons for me [07:15] depends what it is :) [07:15] hehe [07:15] sure [07:16] crystalsvg default.kde hicolor xchat_mini.xpm - the first three are dirs [07:17] my system isn't default xubuntu [07:17] hm, where did you say the .icons was? [07:17] oh [07:17] .icons is hidden in your home dir [07:18] nope dont have that for some reason [07:24] and what happened? [07:24] favro ^ === favafro is now known as favro [07:44] Well so far, so good ... new install seems to be working [08:07] Evenin [08:10] it certainly is :) [08:11] I'm poking around a bit and was wondering how well the HP2133 mini-note is supported by Xubuntu (I am kind of lost as to how to figure it out.) [08:12] !hcl [08:12] For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection [08:13] Oh thanks, sorry I'm kind of new to all this [08:14] that's fine :) [08:15] Ahh looks like it has some issues the wizards haven't fixed yet. Guess I'm unwillingly stuck with suse. [08:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2133 - seen this? [08:19] Yeah, that's what i found my way to. [08:19] I just ctrl f'd 2133 and that came up [08:19] To a newb like me the current issues section looks really scary [08:20] well it is a mac product isn't it? [08:20] Hewlett Packard [08:21] fair enough [08:22] Yeah I'm poking around with it and people are saying that Xubuntu beats suse down on the little beast and I'd like to have the performance, being as I cheaped out and got the 1.0ghz model with the 4gb ssd [08:24] from the wiki it is doable but prob not as a first intro into linux [08:26] Well it's not my first, but honestly I've been shell shocked by linux on HP laptops before. I can make a desktop work with a little help sometimes but laptops I'm real iffy, all that proprietary hardware... [08:26] Shouldn't it be possible to see what they did to make Suse happy on there and port it over? [08:30] the wiki gives the hardware to sort out and suse uses the same kernels,modules etc [08:31] Well, some day I'll be able to work magic like the guys who port linux to everything, but I'm not there yet. [08:40] I was just reading the wiki and a usb cd drive would make it simpler [08:45] Well thanks for your help, I think I'll give it a try after I image the drive so i can undo whatever mess i make. [08:45] hehe :) [08:45] I've found that you become much more brave when you have an image of your drive laying around. [08:46] i have a package that states it is : Not Authenticated [08:47] It seems strange, since package is from archive.ubuntu.com/main [08:47] I get them sometimes but just ignore them [08:48] there might be an official way to deal with it tho [08:49] !gpg [08:49] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [09:04] I am not shure about ignoring. Packages on official repository Should be authenticated. [09:06] if the server is busy you might have missed the key - try the d/load again [09:07] I have a problem installing xubuntu onto an old PIII, the OS installs however I cannot ever get it to boot. Worked fine with 7.04 but 8.04 is no go. [09:09] favro, there is apt-key update command but with no effect [09:09] I have a problem installing xubuntu onto an old PIII, the OS installs however I cannot ever get it to boot. Worked fine with 7.04 but 8.04 is no go. [09:09] ushills, we heard you first time [09:09] have anybody tried the new xubuntu 8.10? why is it non lts version? [09:09] sorry disconnected [09:09] ush do you get gnome menu? [09:10] no doesnt eveen start boot sequence [09:10] nonie, 8.10 talk is on #ubuntu+1 , non lts is everything but lts [09:10] ushills, did you install grub in MBR of disk or on partition [09:11] oops. sorry about that, bb later tnx. [09:11] lts comes out every 18months - 8.04 was the latest [09:11] Installed on MBR, grub doesnt start [09:11] older computers sometimes requires /boot partition to be on the begining of the disk. But if it worked for 7.04 it must work fot 8.04 [09:11] kewl tnx favro [09:12] is your boot sequence in BIOS right? [09:12] does it boots from cd? [09:12] Did something in grub chnage in 8.04, only OS i can install is puppy, MINT, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and derivatives install but not boot [09:13] ushills: put the live cd in and boot - we'll use that to sort out grub [09:13] do you use alternate cd or desktop cd? [09:13] PS cannot boot from cd, installed alternate [09:13] ushills: that'll be the newer kernels then [09:13] so how did you install if you cant boot from cd? [09:14] he used the alternate which isn't a livecd [09:14] !alternate [09:14] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04.1/ubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [09:14] I insalled using the alternate CD, I cannot run a live CD [09:15] ushills: does the alternate have an entry at boot to fix a brocken system? [09:16] I will have to try again, I cannot run live CD and alternate nstalls ut does not boot therefore unwilling to go through whole proces again to en- up with dead PC [09:16] alternate is ok [09:17] you can boot in command-line with alternate and fix grub [09:17] if the altgernate has the entry to fix a brocken system it gives a chrooted environment to repair the brocken system [09:17] you mean run alternate a CLI live CD [09:17] yep [09:18] aha :) [09:18] tahnks I will try again and come back for help [09:18] if it has an entry at the boot menu - I've never used the alternate [09:18] command to install grub [09:18] is grub-install [09:18] excellent [09:19] Back later [09:22] Hm, do I need pulseaudio? [09:22] Doeas it use resources? [09:22] I only use alsa - there can be intergration issues with pulse [09:23] !pulseaudio [09:23] PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions [09:23] hm, some tutorial for second life SL voice, uses pulseaudio [09:24] it can work - I've just never tried [09:25] me neither [09:27] it is so strange, even pulseaudio can`t be authenticated.. section is main.. [09:28] your missing the key but I don't know how to fix that [09:29] maybe TheSheep will know if he's available... [09:30] np, [09:32] * TheSheep has given up on pulseaudio long time ago [09:32] the gpg key TheSheep [09:33] nikolam is getting unauthenticated packages [09:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/62792/ [09:41] nikolam: that first entry should have you covered... [09:41] i know.. [09:44] it is sunday but lets see if knome can help [09:45] maybe it will gp away by itself. at least, i got many sources in sources.list.. [09:45] I noticed that :) [09:46] well, have you considered the possibility of actual man in the middle attack that those keys are supposed to protect you from? [09:46] have you redone the apt-get to see if the key gets picked up? [09:47] it seems unbelievable that never-to-expire keys should change. Updating.. [09:49] why does managing sound look (and is) so complicated in *nux? (general non troll question, i'm just curious) [09:49] (hello, too) [09:50] i have tons of apps to manage sound. You think about getting sound to wotk or editing sound? [09:50] getting sound to work on a machine [09:50] My sound works out-of-box on my machine [09:50] for all apps! [09:50] and sound apps are everywhere [09:50] so, what is not working for you? [09:52] well, for me for example, browsers don't do sounds when they should. i had to tweak pidgin for it to make sound, etc. but my question was more general :) [09:53] so, everything works for you you you are just a curious about flower and a tree? :) [09:53] if I am playing music and open firefox it has no sound - but it does when nothing is using the sound first [09:54] not everything. irc sounds don't work, but i wasn't asking for that. i have already in #ubuntu'fr, and noone knew the answer [09:55] ah, so.. what version of xubuntu are you using? 32bit or 64bit? [09:55] so, i'm just curious. as a windows user, i would say "you've got sound evrywhere, or no sound at all". but it doesn't work the same in linux. why? :) [09:55] everywhere* [09:55] it works for me. [09:56] niikolam: you're lucky :p [09:56] maybe "default" sound sysem is somehow not set at you [09:56] I am using xubuntu 8.04.1 64-bit [09:56] and some sound cards need a little extra work [09:57] what card are you using [09:57] i don't know :p [09:57] do you use alsa or you have installed pulseaudio? [09:57] lspci | grep audio would tell [09:58] alsa [09:59] or lspci | grep Audio [10:00] so, wormsxulla do you use 8.04? [10:00] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) [10:00] nikolam: no, i use 7.10 [10:00] !intelhda [10:00] For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto [10:00] why don`t you upgrade to LTS 8.04? [10:01] nikolam: this question is not relevant to mine :) [10:01] anywaym here is my sources.list.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/62796/ [10:01] wormsxulla, why? [10:02] favro: i'll take a look, thanks [10:02] I plan to stay on 8.04 a bit longer [10:03] just to make that *%$^% udf writing read/write work.. [10:03] so, more generally... how is sound handled in linux. what is "alsa"? the equivalent to a windows driver? [10:04] !alsa [10:04] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [10:04] bahh [10:04] favro, Did you had any problems with 2.6.24-21 current kernel? I got to go back to -19 because my system was SO unstable and locking.. (64-bit) [10:04] alsa is the advanced linux sound system [10:05] wormsxulla, look at that like.. dirextX on win. somewhat.. [10:05] nikolam: haven't tried it yet sorry [10:05] favro: it's an application which manages sound cards drivers? [10:05] favro. It is in regular updates for *buntu 8.04* [10:05] (will look at these urls) [10:06] I'm slack with updating if things are working... [10:06] wormsxulla, It does what you want. manages multiple applications accessing sound hardware.Way applications play [10:06] wormsxulla: it's more like a platform for managing sound afaik - not that that means much [10:06] favro, It was in regular sec. updates few weeks ago [10:07] so it's more like a player itself? [10:07] no man, its like system component , the way applications get to the sound [10:07] nikolam: I'm using the .18 kernel 'cause of issues with the .19 and .20 ones [10:08] there is oss (old) alsa (newer) and pulseaudio (advanced, unstable) [10:08] "a sound manager application" [10:08] (or something) [10:08] favro, for me, .19 is fine. 21 is Horrible. Brrr [10:08] ah yes, i've read about oss [10:09] alsa is the "safe" one [10:09] favro, what issues you had with -19 comparing to -18? [10:09] safe = easiest [10:09] nikolam: sound and x issues [10:09] favro, and did you reported them as a bugs? [10:09] horrible x issues [10:10] nikolam: yep and launchpads suggestion was to try the itrepid alpha [10:10] ... [10:10] *intrepid [10:11] so I've been looking at fedora [10:11] I am not touching that pile of bugs calld Interpid for production for a while... [10:12] I want to see your bug report link. [10:13] you'll have to search for it - I gave up on that ages ago [10:13] if the lts won't work why suggest an alpha of the next effort? [10:14] is your username on launchpad favro? [10:15] prob as banewman [10:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/287416 [10:16] should be 4 or 5 iirc [10:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/259638 [10:17] What is reprofile? [10:18] it redos the boot sequence to use the changes made in the /etc/rc* files [10:18] there's bugs for sound and x and... [10:19] reprofile after changes to speed the boot process [10:19] I know that install process sk*** up /boot/grub/menul.lst and that i need to fix it manually every time and to have backups.. [10:20] so.. it is using that configuration to load modules to kernel.. etc [10:20] and not use services I don't need etc [10:21] favro, That message about Testing 8.10 was NOT answer to your question. [10:21] It was generic message to ALL bug threads. [10:22] it was the only attempt at a solution [10:22] Someone very ingenious though is was amazingly interested to post a message in ALL bug threads.. [10:22] burnt a bridge here [10:22] well, we should post a BUG about that stupit behavior.. [10:23] :) [10:23] lets do it right away. [10:23] fuck off would have been a better answer [10:23] Lets do it in polite manner [10:23] Lets consultate TheSheep [10:24] it's sunday - let him be [10:24] ah, yes [10:24] he works all week [10:24] So we should make it ourselfs [10:25] Maybe we should post a message to Leann Ogasawara [10:27] more than likely her response was corporate policy [10:27] so to go back to your problem with -19.. [10:27] would you care to try -21 ? :) [10:27] so you could post a answer to bug i created? [10:28] favro, [10:28] I've used a dd backup to restore dapper on the comps on the lan - this is the "testing" box so I'll give it a go - but launchpad seems less then useless [10:29] look at your replys so far [10:29] there is lots of bugs.. [10:29] I know [10:31] maybe i should install server? :) [10:32] And LTS one.. [10:35] HI body [10:36] hiii [10:36] I started with the server cd and made a minimal desktop - server or desktop they work off the same base [10:40] ... [10:41] daethshadow: you can ask abot an issue if you have one :) [10:41] s/abot/about/ [10:42] favro, maybe he does not have issue, right :) [10:42] maybe :) [10:44] I would just like to know where do I find that configuration changes for kernel from release to release [10:44] kernel.org maybe? [10:44] And to make one that works for me but without that things they changed to -21.. [10:45] nono [10:45] configuration for kernel [10:45] not kernel code itself [10:45] !kernel [10:45] The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages [10:45] ubuntu makes some changes to the kernel afaik [10:46] You shouldn't have to compile your own.. [10:46] no you shouldn't - but if some default choices don't work for you it is an option [10:47] i am interested in the configuration. Not the changes to the kernel itself. You think that their changes sometimes broke some thing and the other fixes? [10:47] hi [10:47] how can I use irc in text ... [10:47] you mean.. console-based irc client? [10:48] !irrsi [10:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about irrsi [10:48] !info irrsi [10:48] Package irrsi does not exist in hardy [10:48] !irsi [10:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about irsi [10:48] I give up :) [10:48] favro: you can also use /msg, you know [10:49] Hmm, I have 3 partitions, one is where I have xubuntu 8.10 installed, but can anyone tell me how to make the other to mount automatically when I boot? [10:49] yeh I have ubottu on /msg - thought I knew [10:49] !fstab | utomega [10:49] utomega: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [10:49] Ok, I'll see, thanks alot! [10:50] !irssi | daethshadow [10:50] daethshadow: Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help. [10:51] ok Thanks [10:52] Does anyone of you have problems with Pidgin? I get errors (alot) like: (12:47:41) Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred: Hi [10:53] utomega, on what protocol? [10:53] MSN [10:54] Weird, sometimes it also logs out, and then after a minute logs in again.. [10:54] Could anyone recommend another program for using msn? [10:55] i seen that behavior on my pal`s msn and he is using win/msn . I thing that is something with he`s connection/router or something [10:55] there is amsn [10:56] utomega, you could use emesene or kmess [10:56] hmm, k, in windows I tried ebuddy web client, had some problems there too, ok thanks! [10:56] but it does it again, then ots not about program but your connection or something [10:57] hmm :( [10:59] so it seems that it is not linux-related [11:03] yeah :(, I'll try another program anyway [11:05] go to www.meebo.com website and try logging in to msn. if it has a problem its msn [11:06] if you can login then try kopete and lets see what happens [11:07] ok, signing in [11:07] I'm in [11:09] wow thanks i didnt know about that site [11:10] i hate installing something to chat once a week [11:10] nice huh, no need to install something on the o/s [11:10]