[01:49] <bucket529> awsoonn: Did you ever get an answer to your VNC question?
[03:28] <pibmd> i installed kde by doing aptget install kde, but its a 3.* version, how can i get the latest 4.* ?
[03:30] <favro> maybe ask in #kubuntu or #kubuntu-kde4
[03:31] <favro> I'd recommend /j #kubuntu-kde4
[04:35] <the-erm> I noticed an RC is out, is it fairly stable?
[04:36] <the-erm> Can you upgrade to the RC with synaptic?
[04:36] <crimsun> yes, and yes.
[04:37] <the-erm> found it .. update-manager -d is all I need to run
[04:43] <the-erm> anyone here run apt-cacher-ng
[04:44] <the-erm> I seem to be having problems running that command.
[04:44] <the-erm> I moved the 02proxy file out of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ folder to fix it, but I'd like to save bandwidth ...
[04:45] <the-erm> so if I download it now, it won't need to be downloaded later.
[04:45] <the-erm> I guess I should google ..
[04:47] <favro> !aptoncd
[04:59] <the-erm> favro: I'm using apt-catcher-ng :)
[05:00] <the-erm> Which means it's a proxy.
[05:01] <favro> fair enough :)
[05:03] <linuxxubunut> Hello I have been reading a guide on how to make xubuntu look like a mac and how do you install themes? I have it in my /usr/share/themes directory and it doesn't show up on user interfaces
[05:09] <favro> I put themes in my .themes folder - try logout/in and see if it updates
[05:12] <linuxxubunut> in your user directory (there is no .themes directory, Yes Hidden folder off). I also tried log off log on. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
[05:13] <favro> I had to make that folder :)
[05:13] <favro> just saves using sudo
[05:13] <linuxxubunut> Did that too. Didn't work. :)
[05:13] <favro> did you unpack the theme?
[05:14] <the-erm> yippie works.
[05:14] <the-erm> I'm getting the newest version.
[05:14] <favro> well done the-erm :)
[05:14] <linuxxubunut> I'll re-try that because it was a tar.gz inside a tar.gz. BRB.
[05:14] <favro> k
[05:17] <linuxxubunut> It works Thank You. :)
[05:18] <favro> glad it turned out ok :)
[06:04] <spasticteapot> I have a very strange problem.
[06:04] <spasticteapot> I can play video, but only in black and white!
[06:23] <MHz128> help!
[06:23] <MHz128> I accidentally removed my entire /usr/share/icons by accident
[06:24] <MHz128> I meant to remove specific theme, instead I pressed enter before I finished the line!
[06:24] <MHz128> :P
[06:28] <favro> you'll have to make that dir again and reinstall icons - I use .icons in my home folder to save that sort of hassle
[06:29] <favro> !icons
[06:29] <favro> bahh
[06:30] <MHz128> favro, how do I reinstall icons?
[06:30] <favro> apt-cache search icons   to find out what you can install
[06:30] <MHz128> oh i c
[06:30] <favro> the human icons are the default afaik
[06:30] <MHz128> what is the difference between /usr/share/icons and .icons?
[06:31] <favro> if you remove .icons things still work :)
[06:31] <favro> it just saves using sudo
[06:31] <MHz128> what does the period mean?
[06:31] <favro> a dot file(e.g. .icons) is a hidden file
[06:32] <favro> ctrl+h in thunar to see them
[06:32] <MHz128> apparently there is an unrm
[06:32] <MHz128> i dont know if that works ;P
[06:32] <favro> never heard of it ...
[06:33] <favro> afaik when you rm the os writes o's over the space
[06:34] <MHz128> is there a safer way to delete files?
[06:34] <MHz128> move them to trash i guess...
[06:34] <favro> yep
[06:35] <favro> so in terminal   sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons   then   apt-cache search icons   and take your pick - make sure human is one of them
[06:36] <favro> then   sudo apt-get install 'your icons'
[06:36] <MHz128> ok.... human is the system theme?
[06:36] <favro> it is mostly the default
[06:38] <MHz128> i installed both gnome and human
[06:38] <MHz128> should i restart
[06:39] <MHz128> oh ya! after searching apt-cache, how can I search the output for words or numbers?
[06:39] <MHz128> instead of reading each entry listed
[06:39] <favro> a logout might be all that is needed - I've never removed all the icons
[06:39] <MHz128> :P hehe
[06:40] <favro> apt-cache search icon | grep human
[06:40] <favro> or whatever
[06:40] <favro> grep means find lines with the following word in them
[06:41] <MHz128> coool!
[06:41] <MHz128> ill be back thanks favro
[06:41] <favro> np :)
[06:44] <MHz128> damn
[06:44] <favro> no go?
[06:45] <MHz128> :(
[06:45] <favro> in terminal   ls /usr/share/icons
[06:46] <MHz128> hydroxygen
[06:46] <MHz128> i had that theme handy, so i installed it
[06:46] <MHz128> but it doesnt have all the default ones
[06:47]  * MHz128 brb
[06:47] <favro> not alot of them do - that is where the default comes in
[06:49] <MHz128> favro, after installing human and xfce default icon themes there are no extra files in /usr/share/icons/
[06:50] <MHz128> howcome?
[06:50] <favro> I don't know
[06:51] <favro> open thunar and see how it looks
[06:51] <MHz128> ohhh i have to reinstall in synaptic?
[06:51] <favro> in synaptic or with apt-get - they are the same
[06:51] <MHz128> synaptic shows packages installed, but there are no corresponding files
[06:52] <favro> did you make the dir with the right name? /usr/share/icons?
[06:53] <favro> not icon
[06:53] <MHz128> yup
[06:53] <favro> k
[06:53] <MHz128> when i used apt-get install, nothing was downloaded...
[06:53] <MHz128> when I used synaptic it re downloaded the icon package and installed it
[06:53] <MHz128> weird
[06:53] <favro> yeh that is...
[06:54] <favro> so are they there now?
[06:54] <MHz128> they are there now...
[06:54] <MHz128> how many more days 'till 8.1? im gonna re install anyways... hehe
[06:55] <favro> if you use   gksu thunar   in a terminal it will let you access the system files with admin rights so you can see what you are working on
[06:55] <favro> !ibex
[06:55] <favro> so 4 days left
[06:56] <MHz128> cool
[06:56] <favro> the servers will be getting a hammering then withh everyone upgrading :)
[06:57] <MHz128> no kidding!
[06:57] <MHz128> hehe im sure they can handle it?
[06:57] <favro> happens every 6 months
[06:57] <favro> only for a few days or so
[06:57] <MHz128> neat
[06:59] <MHz128> When reinstalling from scratch, is it possible to leave nonsystem files on the HD without having them be formatted?
[07:00] <favro> the install formats the system partition
[07:01] <favro> I have a /home partition that I always keep and store files there during a reinstall
[07:03] <TheSheep> separate /home is generally a very good idea
[07:14] <MHz128> favro,  will you do a small favor for me?
[07:14] <MHz128> can you pastebin the contentes of your /usr/share/icons for me
[07:15] <favro> depends what it is :)
[07:15] <MHz128> hehe
[07:15] <favro> sure
[07:16] <favro> crystalsvg  default.kde  hicolor  xchat_mini.xpm - the first three are dirs
[07:17] <favro> my system isn't default xubuntu
[07:17] <MHz128> hm, where did you say the .icons was?
[07:17] <MHz128> oh
[07:17] <favro> .icons is hidden in your home dir
[07:18] <MHz128> nope dont have that for some reason
[07:24] <favafro> and what happened?
[07:24] <favafro> favro ^
[07:44] <the-erm> Well so far, so good ... new install seems to be working
[08:07] <Circs> Evenin
[08:10] <favro> it certainly is :)
[08:11] <Circs> I'm poking around a bit and was wondering how well the HP2133 mini-note is supported by Xubuntu (I am kind of lost as to how to figure it out.)
[08:12] <favro> !hcl
[08:13] <Circs> Oh thanks, sorry I'm kind of new to all this
[08:14] <favro> that's fine :)
[08:15] <Circs> Ahh looks like it has some issues the wizards haven't fixed yet. Guess I'm unwillingly stuck with suse.
[08:18] <favro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2133 - seen this?
[08:19] <Circs> Yeah, that's what i found my way to.
[08:19] <Circs> I just ctrl f'd 2133 and that came up
[08:19] <Circs> To a newb like me the current issues section looks really scary
[08:20] <favro> well it is a mac product isn't it?
[08:20] <Circs> Hewlett Packard
[08:21] <favro> fair enough
[08:22] <Circs> Yeah I'm poking around with it and people are saying that Xubuntu beats suse down on the little beast and I'd like to have the performance, being as I cheaped out and got the 1.0ghz model with the 4gb ssd
[08:24] <favro> from the wiki it is doable but prob not as a first intro into linux
[08:26] <Circs> Well it's not my first, but honestly I've been shell shocked by linux on HP laptops before. I can make a desktop work with a little help sometimes but laptops I'm real iffy, all that proprietary hardware...
[08:26] <Circs> Shouldn't it be possible to see what they did to make Suse happy on there and port it over?
[08:30] <favro> the wiki gives the hardware to sort out and suse uses the same kernels,modules etc
[08:31] <Circs> Well, some day I'll be able to work magic like the guys who port linux to everything, but I'm not there yet.
[08:40] <favro> I was just reading the wiki and a usb cd drive would make it simpler
[08:45] <Circs> Well thanks for your help, I think I'll give it a try after I image the drive so i can undo whatever mess i make.
[08:45] <favro> hehe :)
[08:45] <Circs> I've found that you become much more brave when you have an image of your drive laying around.
[08:46] <nikolam> i have a package that states it is : Not Authenticated
[08:47] <nikolam> It seems strange, since package is from archive.ubuntu.com/main
[08:47] <favro> I get them sometimes but just ignore them
[08:48] <favro> there might be an official way to deal with it tho
[08:49] <favro> !gpg
[09:04] <nikolam> I am not shure about ignoring. Packages on official repository Should be authenticated.
[09:06] <favro> if the server is busy you might have missed the key - try the d/load again
[09:07] <ushills> I have a problem installing xubuntu onto an old PIII, the OS installs however I cannot ever get it to boot.  Worked fine with 7.04 but 8.04 is no go.
[09:09] <nikolam> favro, there is apt-key update command but with no effect
[09:09] <ushills> I have a problem installing xubuntu onto an old PIII, the OS installs however I cannot ever get it to boot.  Worked fine with 7.04 but 8.04 is no go.
[09:09] <nikolam> ushills, we heard you first time
[09:09] <nonie> have anybody tried the new xubuntu 8.10? why is it non lts version?
[09:09] <ushills> sorry disconnected
[09:09] <nikolam> ush do you get gnome menu?
[09:10] <ushills> no doesnt eveen start boot sequence
[09:10] <nikolam> nonie, 8.10 talk is on #ubuntu+1 , non lts is everything but lts
[09:10] <nikolam> ushills, did you install grub in MBR of disk or on partition
[09:11] <nonie> oops. sorry about that, bb later tnx.
[09:11] <favro> lts comes out every 18months - 8.04 was the latest
[09:11] <ushills> Installed on MBR, grub doesnt start
[09:11] <nikolam> older computers sometimes requires /boot partition to be on the begining of the disk. But if it worked for 7.04 it must work fot 8.04
[09:11] <nonie> kewl tnx favro
[09:12] <nikolam> is your boot sequence in BIOS right?
[09:12] <nikolam> does it boots from cd?
[09:12] <ushills> Did something in grub chnage in 8.04, only OS i can install is puppy, MINT, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and derivatives install but not boot
[09:13] <favro> ushills: put the live cd in and boot - we'll use that to sort out grub
[09:13] <nikolam> do you use alternate cd or desktop cd?
[09:13] <ushills> PS cannot boot from cd, installed alternate
[09:13] <favro> ushills: that'll be the newer kernels then
[09:13] <nikolam> so how did you install if you cant boot from cd?
[09:14] <favro> he used the alternate which isn't a livecd
[09:14] <favro> !alternate
[09:14] <ushills> I insalled using the alternate CD, I cannot run a live CD
[09:15] <favro> ushills: does the alternate have an entry at boot to fix a brocken system?
[09:16] <ushills> I will have to try again, I cannot run live CD and alternate nstalls ut does not boot therefore unwilling to go through whole proces again to en- up with dead PC
[09:16] <nikolam> alternate is ok
[09:17] <nikolam> you can boot in command-line with alternate and fix grub
[09:17] <favro> if the altgernate has the entry to fix a brocken system it gives a chrooted environment to repair the brocken system
[09:17] <ushills> you mean run alternate a CLI live CD
[09:17] <favro> yep
[09:18] <nikolam> aha :)
[09:18] <ushills> tahnks I will try again and come back for help
[09:18] <favro> if it has an entry at the boot menu - I've never used the alternate
[09:18] <nikolam> command to install grub
[09:18] <nikolam> is grub-install
[09:18] <ushills> excellent
[09:19] <ushills> Back later
[09:22] <nikolam> Hm, do I need pulseaudio?
[09:22] <nikolam> Doeas it use resources?
[09:22] <favro> I only use alsa - there can be intergration issues with pulse
[09:23] <favro> !pulseaudio
[09:23] <nikolam> hm, some tutorial for second life SL voice, uses pulseaudio
[09:24] <favro> it can work - I've just never tried
[09:25] <nikolam> me neither
[09:27] <nikolam> it is so strange, even pulseaudio can`t be authenticated.. section is main..
[09:28] <favro> your missing the key but I don't know how to fix that
[09:29] <favro> maybe TheSheep will know if he's available...
[09:30] <nikolam> np,
[09:32]  * TheSheep has given up on pulseaudio long time ago
[09:32] <favro> the gpg key TheSheep
[09:33] <favro> nikolam is getting unauthenticated packages
[09:33] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62792/
[09:41] <favro> nikolam: that first entry should have you covered...
[09:41] <nikolam> i know..
[09:44] <favro> it is sunday but lets see if knome can help
[09:45] <nikolam> maybe it will gp away by itself. at least, i got many sources in sources.list..
[09:45] <favro> I noticed that :)
[09:46] <TheSheep> well, have you considered the possibility of actual man in the middle attack that those keys are supposed to protect you from?
[09:46] <favro> have you redone the apt-get to see if the key gets picked up?
[09:47] <nikolam> it seems unbelievable that never-to-expire keys should change. Updating..
[09:49] <wormsxulla> why does managing sound look (and is) so complicated in *nux? (general non troll question, i'm just curious)
[09:49] <wormsxulla> (hello, too)
[09:50] <nikolam> i have tons of apps to manage sound. You think about getting sound to wotk or editing sound?
[09:50] <wormsxulla> getting sound to work on a machine
[09:50] <nikolam> My sound works out-of-box on my machine
[09:50] <wormsxulla> for all apps!
[09:50] <nikolam> and sound apps are everywhere
[09:50] <nikolam> so, what is not working for you?
[09:52] <wormsxulla> well, for me for example, browsers don't do sounds when they should. i had to tweak pidgin for it to make sound, etc. but my question was more general :)
[09:53] <nikolam> so, everything works for you you you are just a curious about flower and a tree? :)
[09:53] <favro> if I am playing music and open firefox it has no sound - but it does when  nothing is using the sound first
[09:54] <wormsxulla> not everything. irc sounds don't work, but i wasn't asking for that. i have already in #ubuntu'fr, and noone knew the answer
[09:55] <nikolam> ah, so.. what version of xubuntu are you using? 32bit or 64bit?
[09:55] <wormsxulla> so, i'm just curious. as a windows user, i would say "you've got sound evrywhere, or no sound at all". but it doesn't work the same in linux. why? :)
[09:55] <wormsxulla> everywhere*
[09:55] <nikolam> it works for me.
[09:56] <wormsxulla> niikolam: you're lucky :p
[09:56] <nikolam> maybe "default" sound sysem is somehow not set at you
[09:56] <nikolam> I am using xubuntu 8.04.1 64-bit
[09:56] <favro> and some sound cards need a little extra work
[09:57] <nikolam> what card are you using
[09:57] <wormsxulla> i don't know :p
[09:57] <nikolam> do you use alsa or you have installed pulseaudio?
[09:57] <favro> lspci | grep audio would tell
[09:58] <wormsxulla> alsa
[09:59] <nikolam> or lspci | grep Audio
[10:00] <nikolam> so, wormsxulla do you use 8.04?
[10:00] <wormsxulla> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[10:00] <wormsxulla> nikolam: no, i use 7.10
[10:00] <favro> !intelhda
[10:00] <nikolam> why don`t you upgrade to LTS 8.04?
[10:01] <wormsxulla> nikolam: this question is not relevant to mine :)
[10:01] <nikolam> anywaym here is my sources.list.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/62796/
[10:01] <nikolam> wormsxulla, why?
[10:02] <wormsxulla> favro: i'll take a look, thanks
[10:02] <nikolam> I plan to stay on 8.04 a bit longer
[10:03] <nikolam> just to make that *%$^% udf writing read/write work..
[10:03] <wormsxulla> so, more generally... how is sound handled in linux. what is "alsa"? the equivalent to a windows driver?
[10:04] <favro> !alsa
[10:04] <favro> bahh
[10:04] <nikolam> favro, Did you had any problems with 2.6.24-21 current kernel? I got to go back to -19 because my system was SO unstable and locking.. (64-bit)
[10:04] <favro> alsa is the advanced linux sound system
[10:05] <nikolam> wormsxulla, look at that like.. dirextX on win. somewhat..
[10:05] <favro> nikolam: haven't tried it yet sorry
[10:05] <wormsxulla> favro: it's an application which manages sound cards drivers?
[10:05] <nikolam> favro. It is in regular updates for *buntu 8.04*
[10:05] <wormsxulla> (will look at these urls)
[10:06] <favro> I'm slack with updating if things are working...
[10:06] <nikolam> wormsxulla, It does what you want. manages multiple applications accessing sound hardware.Way applications play
[10:06] <favro> wormsxulla: it's more like a platform for managing sound afaik - not that that means much
[10:06] <nikolam> favro, It was in regular sec. updates few weeks ago
[10:07] <wormsxulla> so it's more like a player itself?
[10:07] <nikolam> no man, its like system component , the way applications get to the sound
[10:07] <favro> nikolam: I'm using the .18 kernel 'cause of issues with the .19 and .20 ones
[10:08] <nikolam> there is oss (old) alsa (newer) and pulseaudio (advanced, unstable)
[10:08] <wormsxulla> "a sound manager application"
[10:08] <wormsxulla> (or something)
[10:08] <nikolam> favro, for me, .19 is fine. 21 is Horrible. Brrr
[10:08] <wormsxulla> ah yes, i've read about oss
[10:09] <favro> alsa is the "safe" one
[10:09] <nikolam> favro, what issues you had with -19 comparing to -18?
[10:09] <favro> safe = easiest
[10:09] <favro> nikolam: sound and x issues
[10:09] <nikolam> favro, and did you reported them as a bugs?
[10:09] <favro> horrible x issues
[10:10] <favro> nikolam: yep and launchpads suggestion was to try the itrepid alpha
[10:10] <favro> ...
[10:10] <favro> *intrepid
[10:11] <favro> so I've been looking at fedora
[10:11] <nikolam> I am not touching that pile of bugs calld Interpid for production for a while...
[10:12] <nikolam> I want to see your bug report link.
[10:13] <favro> you'll have to search for it - I gave up on that ages ago
[10:13] <favro> if the lts won't work why suggest an alpha of the next effort?
[10:14] <nikolam> is your username on launchpad favro?
[10:15] <favro> prob as banewman
[10:16] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/287416
[10:16] <favro> should be 4 or 5 iirc
[10:17] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/259638
[10:17] <nikolam> What is reprofile?
[10:18] <favro> it redos the boot sequence to use the changes made in the /etc/rc* files
[10:18] <favro> there's bugs for sound and x and...
[10:19] <favro> reprofile after changes to speed the boot process
[10:19] <nikolam> I know that install process sk*** up /boot/grub/menul.lst and that i need to fix it manually every time and to have backups..
[10:20] <nikolam> so.. it is using that configuration to load modules to kernel.. etc
[10:20] <favro> and not use services I don't need etc
[10:21] <nikolam> favro, That message about Testing 8.10 was NOT answer to your question.
[10:21] <nikolam> It was generic message to ALL bug threads.
[10:22] <favro> it was the only attempt at a solution
[10:22] <nikolam> Someone very ingenious though is was amazingly interested to post a message in ALL bug threads..
[10:22] <favro> burnt a bridge here
[10:22] <nikolam> well, we should post a BUG about that stupit behavior..
[10:23] <wormsxulla> :)
[10:23] <nikolam> lets do it right away.
[10:23] <favro> fuck off would have been a better answer
[10:23] <nikolam> Lets do it in polite manner
[10:23] <nikolam> Lets consultate TheSheep
[10:24] <favro> it's sunday - let him be
[10:24] <nikolam> ah, yes
[10:24] <favro> he works all week
[10:24] <nikolam> So we should make it ourselfs
[10:25] <nikolam> Maybe we should post a message to Leann Ogasawara
[10:27] <favro> more than likely her response was corporate policy
[10:27] <nikolam> so to go back to your problem with -19..
[10:27] <nikolam> would you care to try -21 ? :)
[10:27] <nikolam> so you could post a answer to bug i created?
[10:28] <nikolam> favro,
[10:28] <favro> I've used a dd backup to restore dapper on the comps on the lan - this is the "testing" box so I'll give it a go - but launchpad seems less then useless
[10:29] <favro> look at your replys so far
[10:29] <nikolam> there is lots of bugs..
[10:29] <favro> I know
[10:31] <nikolam> maybe i should install server? :)
[10:32] <nikolam> And LTS one..
[10:35] <daethshadow> HI body
[10:36] <nikolam> hiii
[10:36] <favro> I started with the server cd and made a minimal desktop - server or desktop they work off the same base
[10:40] <daethshadow> ...
[10:41] <favro> daethshadow: you can ask abot an issue if you have one :)
[10:41] <favro> s/abot/about/
[10:42] <nikolam> favro, maybe he does not have issue, right :)
[10:42] <favro> maybe :)
[10:44] <nikolam> I would just like to know where do I find that configuration changes for kernel from release to release
[10:44] <favro> kernel.org maybe?
[10:44] <nikolam> And to make one that works for me but without that things they changed to -21..
[10:45] <nikolam> nono
[10:45] <nikolam> configuration for kernel
[10:45] <nikolam> not kernel code itself
[10:45] <favro> !kernel
[10:45] <favro> ubuntu makes some changes to the kernel afaik
[10:46] <nikolam> You shouldn't have to compile your own..
[10:46] <favro> no you shouldn't - but if some default choices don't work for you it is an option
[10:47] <nikolam> i am interested in the configuration. Not the changes to the kernel itself. You think that their changes sometimes broke some thing and the other fixes?
[10:47] <utomega> hi
[10:47] <daethshadow> how can I use irc in text ...
[10:47] <nikolam> you mean.. console-based irc client?
[10:48] <favro> !irrsi
[10:48] <favro> !info irrsi
[10:48] <favro> !irsi
[10:48] <favro> I give up :)
[10:48] <TheSheep> favro: you can also use /msg, you know
[10:49] <utomega> Hmm, I have 3 partitions, one is where I have xubuntu 8.10 installed, but can anyone tell me how to make the other to mount automatically when I boot?
[10:49] <favro> yeh I have ubottu on /msg - thought I knew
[10:49] <TheSheep> !fstab | utomega
[10:49] <utomega> Ok, I'll see, thanks alot!
[10:50] <TheSheep> !irssi | daethshadow
[10:51] <daethshadow> ok Thanks
[10:52] <utomega> Does anyone of you have problems with Pidgin? I get errors (alot) like: (12:47:41) Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred: Hi
[10:53] <nikolam> utomega, on what protocol?
[10:53] <utomega> MSN
[10:54] <utomega> Weird, sometimes it also logs out, and then after a minute logs in again..
[10:54] <utomega> Could anyone recommend another program for using msn?
[10:55] <nikolam> i seen that behavior on my pal`s msn and he is using win/msn . I thing that is something with he`s connection/router or something
[10:55] <favro> there is amsn
[10:56] <nikolam> utomega, you could use emesene or kmess
[10:56] <utomega> hmm, k, in windows I tried ebuddy web client, had some problems there too, ok thanks!
[10:56] <nikolam> but it does it again, then ots not about program but your connection or something
[10:57] <utomega> hmm :(
[10:59] <nikolam> so it seems that it is not linux-related
[11:03] <utomega> yeah :(, I'll try another program anyway
[11:05] <nonie> go to www.meebo.com website and try logging in to msn. if it has a problem its msn
[11:06] <nonie> if you can login  then try kopete and lets see what happens
[11:07] <utomega> ok, signing in
[11:07] <utomega> I'm in
[11:09] <scopecreep> wow thanks i didnt know about that site
[11:10] <scopecreep> i hate installing something to chat once a week
[11:10] <nonie> nice huh, no need to install something on the o/s
[11:10] <utomega> :), hmm - kopete, I'll have to install many KDE packages then, you sure?
[11:11] <nonie> just to test, then remove it later...
[11:11] <favro> !amsn
[11:11] <favro> !info amsn
[11:11] <knome> woot
[11:11] <knome> favro, you missed me?
[11:11] <nonie> yep amsn is cool.
[11:12] <favro> knome: needed to know about the gpg key but that is sorted now - thnx :)
[11:12] <knome> np
[11:12] <nonie> have to go guys, thnks.
[11:12] <knome> bye :)
[11:12] <favro> was just poking folk looking for help knome :)
[11:12] <knome> hehe
[11:12] <favro> bye
[11:13] <favro> :)
[11:13] <knome> örgh, why isn't cody awake
[11:16] <favro> prob the time of day where he is?
[11:17] <knome> nah, it's already a little past 7 there :P
[11:17] <daethshadow> o
[11:17] <knome> o.O
[11:17] <daethshadow> so do i
[11:17] <favro> but it is sunday...
[11:17] <knome> so?
[11:17] <knome> sunday is the best day to work on os projects
[11:18] <favro> it should be
[11:18] <knome> anyway gnaa
[11:18] <knome> we're in a hurry and nothing seems to work
[11:18] <utomega> ok, nonie, installed kopete
[11:18] <utomega> oh lol, he's the one who quited
[11:19] <knome> right.
[11:19] <knome> utomega, you need help?
[11:19] <utomega> I have problems with Pidgin(msn), had some problems with using ebuddy aswell, he told me to get kopete
[11:20] <knome> so is it msn only which you have problems with?
[11:20] <utomega> I don't know, I had few errors in ebuddy, but quite many in pidgin
[11:21] <utomega> and pidgin kept logging out and in all the time
[11:21] <knome> but all the other networks work with pidgin?
[11:21] <utomega> I'm only using msn :/
[11:21] <knome> ok.
[11:22] <knome> utomega, i suppose it might just be msn which is not working
[11:22] <knome> i had been signed out a network as well
[11:23] <utomega> :/
[11:23] <utomega> well, I installed kopete, will see if it changes anything.
[11:23] <knome> k.
[11:24] <knome> if not, i suppose it's msn. then i can only suggest that you try again later :P
[11:24] <utomega> How should I open fstab so I can make changes in it? Through terminal? , :P
[11:24] <utomega> like sudo or smth, I'm quite new to this.
[11:26] <knome> !fstab
[11:26] <knome> utomega, sudo /etc/fstab
[11:26] <knome> utomega, ehh
[11:26] <knome> utomega, sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:26] <knome> utomega, or alt+f2(run) gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[11:27] <utomega> hmm ok, damn, it doesn't look like here: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[11:28] <knome> utomega, doesn't really matter how it looks as long as everything works.
[11:28] <scopecreep> what is a good vnc server for xubuntu?
[11:28] <utomega> Yeah but, I have to add two lines I guess, to makie my two other partitions automount
[11:29] <favro> !vnc | scopecreep
[11:29] <knome> utomega, then add?)
[11:30] <utomega> I don't know what to write there :|
[11:30] <knome> !partitions
[11:31] <knome> utomega, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[11:31] <daethshadow> fstab ,I can mount ntfs only
[11:32] <utomega> knome, thanks alot :P, I'll have to do it later, gtg :(
[11:33] <knome> utomega, np. bye
[11:41] <scopecreep> !swap
[12:37] <mnemoc> hi, are thunderbird dictionaries handled by an ubuntu package or one has to use addons and files from mozilla like in firefox?
[12:44] <TheSheep> both will work
[12:48] <mnemoc> I have installed mozilla.org dicts quite a few times and restarted thunderbird, english is still the only dictionary I can choose... that's why I wndered about an ubuntu package... aspell worked for pidgin, but not for thunderbird... I'll try myspell now
[12:56] <TheSheep> mnemoc: I think they are called thunderbird-something
[12:58] <xxploit> yes, TheSheep is right
[12:58] <xxploit> all the thunderbird locales are thunderbird-<locale>
[13:03] <owe1> could someone please tell me how to install skype on my xubuntu 8.04.1.
[13:04] <TheSheep> !skype
[13:06] <owe1> thanks ubottu it works.
[13:08] <knome> !bot
[13:18] <jarnos> When will flasplugin-nonfree be updated since it has a well-known security vulnerability?
[13:20] <jarnos> http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb08-18.html
[13:22] <cwraig> hi all what can i use to browse local samba shares on like i do with nautlius on gnome?
[13:23] <vidd> jarnos, the new version is built in to II
[13:23] <jarnos> vidd: What do you mean by II?
[13:23] <vidd> intredid [whatever]
[13:24] <vidd> version 8.10
[13:24] <jarnos> vidd: Ok, but it has to be built for other supported versions, too.
[13:25] <vidd> its already built....
[13:25] <vidd> it just needs to be back-ported
[13:26] <jarnos> vidd: so why is the update not available in multiverse repository?
[13:26] <vidd> jarnos, i dont know...go ask in #ubuntu-devel
[13:27] <vidd> all i know is that intrepid has the new version
[13:27] <vidd> you might want to file a bug on launchpad about it
[13:27] <vidd> or notify the MOTU team
[13:28] <vidd> Ubuntu doesnt normally do back-ports to Universe and multiverse repos
[13:28] <vidd> so either wait to upgrade to 8.10, or download the deb and patch your system now
[13:29] <vidd> let me find it for you....
[13:31] <vidd> jarnos, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/web/flashplugin-nonfree
[13:31] <vidd> make sure you have the versions of the depends
[13:34] <mnemoc> TheSheep, xxploit: myspell-* worked :D
[13:37] <jarnos> vidd: The unsecure Flash plugin problem is not just my problem. Installing security updates should not be that hard.
[13:37] <vidd> jarnos, please understand the rules of the distribution that you use
[13:38] <vidd> ubuntu WILL NOT backport or do security updates for multiverse packages
[13:38] <TheSheep> especially closed-source ones
[13:39] <vidd> if you want it fixed in hardy, get one of the MOTU to fix it
[13:39] <vidd> or....use one of the open source alternatives, and get regular security updates
[13:40] <xxploit_> anyone using 4.6 xfce beta atm?
[13:41] <daethshadow> xxploit_:sorry Iam 4.4
[13:42] <vidd> xxploit, is it available in the II repos?
[13:43] <xxploit_> theres a ppa for it @     deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xubuntu-dev/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:43] <vidd> ic
[13:43] <vidd> im not sure i want to add that....
[13:44] <xxploit_> o well ima give it ago =)
[13:44] <vidd> =]
[13:44] <daethshadow> ...
[13:45] <vidd> is 4.6 going to be added to II?
[13:45] <vidd> there is only ...what?....4 days to release?
[13:46] <vinnl> What is II?
[13:46] <xxploit_> 4.6 wont be added...at least i doubt it
[13:46] <vidd> ii = intrepid [whatever] ... version 8.10
[13:46] <vinnl> Why do you call it II? :P
[13:46] <xxploit_> intrepid ibex
[13:46] <vinnl> *Intrepid Ibex btw :P
[13:46] <vidd> cuzz its shorter then 8.10
[13:47] <vidd> =]
[13:47] <vinnl> Yeah, but... Where do you get the "II" from? Is it because it's the second from 2008 or something?
[13:47] <xxploit_> II Intepid Ibex
[13:47] <vinnl> Ah xD
[13:47] <vidd> 8.04 is Hardy Heron....HH for short
[13:48] <vinnl> I'm going to remember that one ;-)
[13:48] <vinnl> And not, it's not going to be in II
[13:48] <xxploit_> brb
[13:49] <vidd> vinnl, and the next version is JJ, then KK , and so on...
[13:50] <vinnl> Yeah I get it now :P
[13:50] <owe1> is there any mirror download sites for adobe flash 10 download seems to fail from www.adobe.com
[13:51] <vidd> owe1, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/web/flashplugin-nonfree
[13:51] <vidd> get the deb, and make sure you have the right depends
[13:51] <vinnl> owe1, I can download it just fine
[13:53] <vidd> works fine for me 2
[13:53] <vinnl> I'm uploading it elsewhere right now... :)
[13:56] <vinnl> ...if it didn't make Firefox crash
[13:58] <owe1> vidd, the site you gave works. when i download from the adobe download site the deb file reads as been corrupt. thanks for the help
[13:58] <vidd> no problem
[13:59] <nikolam> Hi
[13:59] <vinnl> Hey nikolam
[13:59] <nikolam> am I right, or this is the only difference between 2.6.24-19 and 2.6.24-21?
[14:00] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62885/
[14:00] <nikolam> configs
[14:00] <nikolam> Network is exactly the problem I am experiencing in 2.6.24-21..
[14:00] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/287416
[14:03] <jarnos> vidd: flashplugin-nonfree is  back-ported, I just did not have backports repository enabled. Besides adobe-flashplugin is available in partner repository.
[14:03] <vidd> so what....ubuntu is under no obligation to provide updates for it
[14:05] <jarnos> vidd: Ubuntu should not serve any packages in repositories that it does not serve security updates for.
[14:05] <vidd> jarnos, THEY DONT
[14:05] <vidd> that is why it is in MULTIVERSE
[14:06] <vidd> Multiverse is a curtisey
[14:08] <nikolam> vidd, am i right about that config changes between kernels?
[14:09] <jarnos> vidd: curtisey?
[14:10] <vidd> nikolam, idk what you mean
[14:10] <vidd> jarnos, like a favor
[14:10] <vidd> i cant spell
[14:11] <TheSheep> courtesy
[14:11] <TheSheep> from 'behavior that firts the king's court'
[14:11] <TheSheep> fits
[14:12] <nikolam> I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/287416
[14:12] <nikolam> And I think that it is because of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62885/
[14:13] <nikolam> so maybe I should make it with CONFIG_NETDEVICES_MULTIQUEUE=n /not set
[14:13] <nikolam> And see how 2.6.24-21 behaves then..
[14:15] <vidd> nikolam, i dont use AMD[anything]
[14:16] <vidd> but update that bug with what you do....
[14:16] <vidd> especially if you "fix" it
[14:16] <nikolam> vidd, ? i don`t understand what you mean?
[14:16] <vidd> the bug you reported was for AMD64
[14:16] <nikolam> ok, will make new 2.6.24-21 without it and see
[14:17] <nikolam> yes. That is for all 64-bit, intel or amd..
[14:17] <nikolam> its the same intel also use amd64 for 64-bit
[14:17] <vidd> I dont use AMD processors (because they are sub-standard, inferior chips) so I cant really help
[14:18] <TheSheep> vidd: you seem to have some strong opinions
[14:18] <nikolam> vidd, I think that you don`t have enough information about 64-bit intel/amd architecture
[14:18] <TheSheep> vidd: so you prefer that Intel 64bit standard that nobody uses anymore because it died off?
[14:18] <vidd> but...what ever you do, please update the bug report, so that the developers can either post a patch, or whatever they may need to do
[14:19] <nikolam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[14:19] <nikolam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Intel_64_Implementations
[14:20] <vidd> TheSheep, if the cooling fan goes on your AMD processor, the chip melt, and you need to replace the fan, processor and motherboard
[14:20] <TheSheep> vidd: I especially like this graph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png
[14:20] <nikolam> vidd, that was a rumor floating around.. 2002 or so.. :)
[14:20] <vidd> on intel, the processor slows, and slows, and slows until it stops...rather then overheat and melt....
[14:20] <vidd> you only have to replace the fan
[14:20] <jarnos> vidd: I think it is not a courtesy to serve in multiverse non-free software that has a well known serious security vulnerability and that has a well known fixing update freely available elsewhere in internet.
[14:21] <vidd> jarnos, it cant be "freely" if it closed source
[14:21] <nikolam> jarnos, Post a bug, find a fix, we will all be happy
[14:22] <vidd> just having the multiverse repo is a courtesy....
[14:22] <vidd> ubuntu CLEARLY STATES it WILL NOT be responsible for updates to software found there-in
[14:23] <vidd> coming onto the support channel for stuff that is OFFICIALLY NOT SUPPORTED and crying because somebody else didnt already make it easy for you is silly
[14:24] <vidd> you know the fix, you fixed it on your system....
[14:24] <TheSheep> vidd: calm down
[14:24] <vidd> now...post a bug like a responsible individual....
[14:25] <vidd> sorry TheSheep
[14:26] <vidd> im off to smoke
[14:26] <vidd> brb
[14:34] <vidd> ok...im better now =]
[14:37] <TheSheep> vidd: :)
[14:45] <jarnos> vidd: a bug posted.
[14:46] <vidd> jarnos, thank you
[14:46] <vinnl> \o/
[14:47] <jarnos> I have another problem in my mind now.
[14:47] <jarnos> I want to uninstall kubuntu-desktop, but keep some software that it depends on.
[14:49] <jarnos> I think having kubuntu-desktop installed could be problematic, if you updgrade to 8.10.
[14:49] <jarnos> Since 8.10 has only KDE4.
[14:49] <vidd> then uninstall it....
[14:50] <vinnl> Well, that means you'd get KDE4 as well
[14:50] <vidd> you should have no problem re-installing the apps you want to keep
[14:50] <vinnl> In fact, I don't think it would remove most programs
[14:51] <jarnos> vinnl:  "sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop" does not remove any dependencies.
[14:51] <vidd> jarnos, you might want to consider making your system xfce-pure nad readding the specific apps (and the needed libraries) afterwards
[14:52] <vidd> !purexfce
[14:53] <vidd> jarnos, you would likely want to add --purge switch in there
[14:53] <vidd> to get rid of config files as well
[14:55] <vidd> jarnos, just out of curiosity....what KDE apps you thinking of keeping?
[14:56] <jarnos> vidd: I am aware of the psychocats' method, but I am afraid reinstalling large apps such as openoffice.org can be unnecessarily time and bandwith consuming.
[14:56] <vidd> ok....
[14:56] <vidd> so remove the items you DONT want to remove
[14:56] <vidd> from the command
[14:57] <vidd> before you paste the command in terminal, paste it into a text editor....
[14:57] <vidd> review it for apps you want to keep....remove them from the command string....then paste the new command string into terminal
[14:57] <jarnos> vidd: it is not that easy since the command includes dependencies, too.
[14:59] <vidd> heh....this is the reason i install the cli-only and build up from there
[14:59] <vidd> =]
[15:00] <jarnos> vidd: what is cli-only?
[15:01] <vinnl> !cli
[15:01] <vidd> Command Line Interface only
[15:02] <vidd> when i first tested the waters of linux, i was afraid of the CLI....but i have come to embrace it!
[15:02] <jarnos> vidd: I installed kubuntu-desktop using terminal.
[15:02] <vidd> ok...
[15:03] <vidd> as a side note....what you had proposed before....sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop...is basically the same as what i was proposing
[15:04] <vidd> you would still have the same "installing back" issues
[15:05] <vidd> Oh! and you would have a whole bunch of orphaned config files
[15:05] <vidd> another possible solution....without all the "now i have to re-install" is to use synaptic
[15:07] <vidd> mark all the applications listed on the list to be removed...and then go back an unmark the apps you want to keep.....
[15:08] <vidd> BEFORE you hit apply
[15:08] <vidd> it will not allow you to keep dependencies marked for removal
[15:09] <xxploit> umm anyone know of a descent menu editor for xfce...seems as though the basic one it comes with does not exist for 4.6 beta
[15:09] <vinnl> xxploit, that's because the menu system changed
[15:09] <vidd> once you have a firm idea of all the apps and dependencies that are going to be fully removed (you want to select items individually as "Purge" in synaptic...not just remove)
[15:09] <vinnl> ...which means that there's no editor for now
[15:10] <vidd> go thru the list and all the items still marked for uninstall, select to purge
[15:10] <vinnl> I'd have thought Alacarte should now work as well, but I believe Stephan said on the mailinglist that it wouldn't do it
[15:10] <xxploit> vinnl: well is there any 3rd party editors that will work with it?
[15:10] <vinnl> xxploit, see above ;-)
[15:10] <jarnos> vidd: It does not automatically mark dependencies.
[15:11] <xxploit> vinnl: yeh i thought maybe alacarte would work too
[15:11] <jarnos> vidd: so only one package would be removed. Same with "sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop".
[15:11] <vinnl> xxploit, http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce/2008-October/024109.html
[15:12] <vidd> jarnos, the list on http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce should have all the dependencies....
[15:12] <vidd> and if not....simply run sudo apt-get autoremove --purge to get the ones that were missed
[15:13] <xxploit> vinnl: thats not good =(
[15:13] <vinnl> Yeah, it's unfortunate indeed
[15:13] <vinnl> Though I suppose you can still edit the files manually
[15:13] <vinnl> It's not like the menu editor for 4.6 was of that much use
[15:14] <vidd> jarnos, have you used synaptic b4?
[15:15] <jarnos> vidd: yes, but how can you select the psychocats' list for complete removal there?
[15:15] <xxploit> vinnl: well thats alot typing, wouldnt of been so bad had it been able to keep my old menu, so many entries need to be added
[15:15] <vidd> item by item...they are arranged alphabetically]
[15:16] <vinnl> xxploit, most applications add their own entries
[15:16] <vinnl> What are you planning to add?
[15:17] <vidd> vinnl, i'd like to make the menu similar to what we had in dapper
[15:17] <vinnl> vidd, what was that again?
[15:17] <xxploit> vinnl: yeh but theyll need to be copied and paste all over the place and moved, like every last one of them id assume since this auto gen list does it alphabetically...unless im wrong?
[15:18] <vidd> with the "run program", "terminal", "web browser" etc above the "settings"
[15:18] <vinnl> xxploit, where would you like to move them to?
[15:18] <vinnl> vidd, ah, you mean toplevel entries
[15:18] <vidd> exactly
[15:18] <vinnl> I'm afraid that's not going to be possible anymore, I think the fd.o spec doesn't provide for that
[15:18] <xxploit> vinnl: new subsections and ordered by relevance
[15:19] <vidd> vinnl, then i guess i need to find me an alternative menu plug-in
[15:19] <vidd> jarnos, do you see what i mean now?
[15:20] <vinnl> xxploit, I don't think you'll be able to create your own subsections, not sure how you'd change the order (yes, they're alphabetically now)
[15:20] <vinnl> vidd, perhaps someone someday will create a wrapper for 4.4 plugins ;-)
[15:20] <vinnl> xxploit, you could of course create panel icons for the most important stuff, but that's probably not what you'd like best
[15:21] <xxploit> nah, I hate panel icons
[15:21] <vidd> vinnl, but this is JJ+ stuff right?
[15:21] <vinnl> vidd, yeah
[15:21] <vidd> we wont get screwed in II?
[15:21] <mnemoc> vidd: it seems the performance problem i told you yesterday with my xubunut+2 in a C3 566,512MB is the wifi driver... from my laptop to it when it's connected to the router with a calbe I get 1Mbps and 15% cpu... but wifi/wifi 20Kbps and 100% cpu
[15:21] <vinnl> Nope, not as long as we don't have Xfce 4.6
[15:21] <vinnl> xxploit, then I'm afraid you're out of luck with Xfce 4,6
[15:21] <vinnl> *4.6
[15:22] <vidd> mnemoc, so what wifi card ya got?
[15:22] <xxploit> do they have plans at all for something? I would think this would be a concern...this autogen list is utter crap
[15:22] <mnemoc> vidd: nm sais rt2400pci
[15:23] <vidd> mnemoc, is that waht lspci says it is?
[15:23] <vinnl> xxploit, well, you'd have to talk with freedesktop.org for that... The goal of such a spec is that the menu can be the same for all desktop environments
[15:23] <jarnos> vidd: not sure. Checking all the packages manually is pain. Besides, I can't make Synaptic to mark dependencies like apt's autoremove.
[15:23] <vinnl> So the Xfce guys have not much to say on that
[15:23] <vidd> jarnos, you dont WANT to....
[15:23] <vinnl> *OR* they'd have to not adhere to the spec, which is of course not that good an idea
[15:23] <xxploit> yes but gnome and kde fill this gap with descent editors
[15:23] <vidd> once you trim down the list...you want to run sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[15:24] <mnemoc> vidd: 00:08.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Wireless PCI Adapter RT2400 / RT2460 [1814:0101]
[15:24] <vinnl> xxploit, true, let's just hope 4.8 arrives quickly or that someone writes an editor (Brian suggested that he might want to do it)
[15:24] <vidd> mnemoc, you make sure you have the correct driver?
[15:24] <mnemoc> in-udev-we-trust ?
[15:25] <vidd> hehe
[15:25] <vinnl> xxploit, http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce/2008-October/024102.html
[15:25] <vidd> mnemoc, it auto-installed?
[15:26] <jarnos> vidd: thanks for the hint. I'll have to think about the trimming thing later. bbl.
[15:26] <mnemoc> vidd: i did nothing to make it work, just chose the right network and gave the key... the module was chosen by ubuntu
[15:27] <xxploit> vinnl: well that doesnt sound too promising, honestly I wouldnt see why alacarte hasnt been made to work, I may be wrong but i wouldnt think it would be a hard task to do
[15:27] <vidd> mnemoc, ic....erport a bug?
[15:27] <vinnl> xxploit, I'd go even further: I'd say Alacarte is supposed to work without editing it
[15:27] <vinnl> I suppose I'll ask why Alacarte doesn't work
[15:28] <vidd> mnemoc, id gladly trade ya cards....id love an "out-of-the-box" wifi card
[15:28] <xxploit> vinnl: I installed it, seems to show exactly what the current menu shows except it seems making changes does nothing
[15:28] <mnemoc> vidd: :)
[15:28] <vinnl> I know
[15:28] <vidd> it seems that every card i find has that lousy bcm43xx chipset in it!
[15:30] <vidd> but i almost consider myself an expert on that chipset!
[15:30] <vinnl> xxploit, mail sent, keep watching that thread ;-)
[15:31] <vidd> ive gotten to the point that i dont even have to run the fwcutter app
[15:32] <vidd> i just download the firmware folder from my server and unpack it into /lib/firmware
[15:32] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm going to go right now, bye and good luck with the menu's ;-)
[16:20] <GreedyB> I just started using Xfce and loving it but I want to see how I like it with compiz.. none of the effect seem to be working
[16:21] <TheSheep> !compiz
[17:57] <zezu> how can i get into system->preferences ?
[17:58] <TheSheep> you can select from your menu the item labelled 'system' and then, from the submenu that appears, item labeled 'prefernces', although there is no such thing in xubuntu
[17:59] <vidd> zezu, what are you looking to change?
[18:00] <zezu> the font size, i installed envy (only thing that will get nvidia drivers working) and the fonts are so tiny i can't read anything
[18:00] <zezu> plus i thnk it installed 32b driver on x64 somehow
[18:01] <zezu> TheSheep, thanks for the obvious
[18:01] <vidd> zezu, try Applications-.Settings-.Settings manager
[18:01] <TheSheep> zezu: there are users at different levels of experience here, there is no such thing as "obvious" and your question doesn't allow to guess what else you mean
[18:02] <vidd> user interface is the item (i think) you want
[18:02] <zezu> vidd, thanks, having trouble seeing anything at all ..
[18:03] <aLeSD_> hi all
[18:03] <aLeSD_> I'm searching to install xubuntu on my eeepc
[18:03] <aLeSD_> how can I install the installation disk on an usb pen ?
[18:04] <aLeSD_> I mean a pendrive
[18:05] <TheSheep> !istall
[18:05] <TheSheep> !install | aLeSD_
[18:05] <TheSheep> aLeSD_: there are linsk to several ways of installing through usb
[18:05] <aLeSD_> thanks
[18:06] <vidd> zezu, the nvidia drivers work fine on all the machines i have
[18:07] <vidd> i guess i wasnt so helpful =[
[18:09] <TheSheep> I guess he didn't really need help
[18:20] <mouser-> aLeSD_: you could also try pendrivelinux.com
[18:21] <mouser-> I assume you want it to be a persistent install onto the flash drive (like a regular hard drive install) rather than running it off the flash drive as if it were a LiveCD.
[18:26] <jarnos> vidd: How do you trim psychocat's list?
[18:29] <vidd> jarnos, copy it, paste it into a text editor (like mousepad) select the item and delete
[18:30] <jarnos> vidd: which item?
[18:30] <vidd> what ever item you want to "trim out"
[18:38] <vidd> jarnos, for example, if you know you want to keep "kopete" for example, you would find "kopete" in the command string, and take "kopete out of the string.
[18:39] <vidd> (does this make sense?)
[18:41] <jarnos> vidd: There would still be vast amount of packages to manually purge in Synaptic.
[18:44] <vidd> how do you figure?
[18:44] <vidd> you choose "adapt-common, it will auto-select all adapt-related packages
[18:48] <vidd> but with all the time you spent agonizing over this, you could just select "x11-common" to get every just about every graphical application there is selected for removal....and then unmark "xubuntu-desktop", and that will unmark all its dependencies,,,,and unmark OpenOffice.org, and whatever other apps you want to keep
[18:49] <vidd> but if it were me....i'd bite the bullet, run the script, and then install whatever i missed
[18:50] <vidd> but that is me
[18:50] <vidd> i could have formated, reinstalled and reconfigured 3 machines since we spoke this morning!
[18:51] <vidd> (consecutively...not all at the same time =])
[18:52] <vidd> and...with that....my discussion of this specific topic is complete
[19:35] <cephi> Every time I turn on my laptop at home, I have to enter my WPA pwd.  Does anyone have any ideas for how to automate this?
[19:35] <vidd> cephi, what i did was get rid of nm-applet and install wicd
[19:36] <cephi> ok
[19:36] <vidd> you can also hard-code your wifi card info in /etc/network/interfaces but that kills the "roaming" ability
[19:38] <cephi> meaning i couldn't autoconnect to whichever network happens to be available?
[19:38] <jarnos> vidd: I tried to mark x11-common for complete removal, but then I could not unmark xubuntu-desktop in Synaptic.
[19:39] <vidd> jarnos, i said i was finished discussing it...get help from someone else
[19:39] <vidd> cephi, that is if you hard-code the info in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:39] <jarnos> vidd: I know, but I just thought you would like to know, if your method worked.
[19:39] <vidd> using wicd, you still have that ability...and it is WAY more robust (in my opinion
[19:40] <cephi> ok, if using wicd doesn't work i will do that, thx
[19:40] <vidd> it worked fin on my system before i suggested it to you jarnos
[19:40] <vidd> thats WHY i suggested it
[19:40] <jarnos> vidd: strange.
[19:42] <vidd> im trying again...just to confirm
[19:44] <jarnos> vidd: Synaptic doesn't complain anything when I unmark, but it does not change the icon either.
[19:44] <vidd> ic...
[19:47] <vidd> when i tested it before i choose "re-install"...not unmark....
[19:47] <vidd> and that is why it worked
[19:52] <vidd> so...disregaurd
[19:52] <vidd> there IS no easy way to do it
[19:53] <vidd> jarnos, your best bet is to run the script and re-install what you need to keep
[19:56] <Elaztic> Hi all
[19:57] <vidd> hello Elaztic
[19:58] <Elaztic> I hope someone can help....tried to install xubuntu 8,04 on an old pc with K7SEM mobo but before I get to the partitioning it stalls at the terminal with ubunutu@ubunut
[19:58] <Elaztic> any ideas?
[19:58] <vidd> Elaztic, live, alt, or mini iso?
[19:59] <Elaztic> vidd....sry....livecd
[19:59] <vidd> how much ram?
[19:59] <Elaztic> also tried with a kubuntu livecd. 256 Mb
[19:59] <Elaztic> did check the cd-rom and the ram
[19:59] <vidd> use the alt or the mini
[20:00] <Elaztic> ok
[20:00] <Elaztic> is the mini a netinstall?
[20:00] <vidd> yes
[20:00] <Elaztic> cool
[20:00] <Elaztic> thanks
[20:01] <vidd> amd64 or 32bit?
[20:02] <vidd> Elaztic, AMD64 or 32 bit?
[20:02] <Elaztic> vidd....32 bit....was just checking 'get it' at xubuntu.org....dont see minicd
[20:03] <knome> !minimal
[20:03] <vidd> that is correct....and you wont
[20:03] <vidd> Elaztic, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[20:03] <vidd> knome, its more helpfull to actually give them the link to the image
[20:04] <knome> yes but people can usually read if they can irc
[20:04] <Elaztic> vidd thanks again....will give it a go
[20:05] <vidd> knome, they have actually updated that page with links to the images now
[20:05] <vidd> knome, disregard my previous comment!
[20:05] <vidd> =]
[20:05] <knome> ;)
[20:06]  * vidd makes a note....
[20:06] <vidd> now i dont need to bother asking which image they need =]
[20:06] <knome> yus
[20:07] <vidd> unless they want the testing image
[20:07] <knome> !testing
[20:08] <vidd> =\ i dont need that
[20:09] <vidd> if the user is savvy enough to use the testing system...they savvy enough to find it!
[20:09] <vidd> =]
[20:10] <Elaztic> well....gotta give my girlfriend a massage.....have a nice evening everyone (it's evening here in Denmark)
[20:10] <vidd> Elaztic, its evening here in the sates (east coast)
[20:10] <vidd> id figure its night there =]
[20:11] <knome> vidd, i think it's 9pm there
[20:11] <knome> vidd, (denmark)
[20:11] <vidd> yeah....thats WAY past evening!
[20:11] <knome> nah
[20:12] <knome> it's 10pm here and the evening is only starting;))
[20:12] <vidd> knome, you must not get up at 5am!
[20:12] <knome> definitely not
[20:12] <knome> usually i sleep like 6 hours or so
[20:12] <vidd> 6pm starts night
[20:13] <vidd> (in my messed-up, off-centered little world)
[22:04] <the-erm> How hot is too hot for a laptop?
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> the-erm: too hot for your lap...
[22:06] <the-erm> I'm running about 53C-54C and it feels hot to the touch by the mouse bad
[22:06] <the-erm> I know that's where the hard drive is, but I was curious if it was too hot.
[22:07] <the-erm> I have one of those cooling fans that you put your laptop on.
[22:07] <the-erm> That seemed to reduce the temp by about 2 degrees for a while there.
[22:08] <the-erm> Now it's going back up.
[22:08] <the-erm> I'm kinda concerned.  Because it's starting to get really hot on my wrist.
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i hate laptops that are like that...
[22:10] <the-erm> I guess I shouldn't worry about it until it hits 65.
[22:10] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[22:10] <the-erm> maybe 62.
[22:10] <Grey_Loki> My macbook will average at about 60-70C if I didn't override the fans in it
[22:11] <Grey_Loki> By boosting the fans to maximum, it pulls it right back down to around 40C
[22:11] <the-erm> The scary thought is /proc/acpi/fan is empty
[22:11] <Grey_Loki> Haha
[22:11] <Odd-rationale> my laptop is not powerful enough to generate that much heat...
[22:11] <the-erm> so I can't tell it to turn on even if I wanted to.
[22:12] <the-erm> I checked the bios, and there's nothing there about fans that I could see.
[22:12] <the-erm> Maybe if I remove this windows sticker it'd help.
[22:14] <the-erm> Well I guess I can use this wireless keyboard.
[22:21] <Coder365_> whats the command to start the menu at the top of the desktop?
[22:22] <Coder365_> it doesnt show up at boot anymore. so i'm kinda high and dry.
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> Coder365_: the applications menu?
[22:22] <the-erm> Coder365_: is there a panel there?
[22:22] <Coder365_> yea
[22:22] <Coder365_> no panel
[22:22] <the-erm> ok.
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> Coder365_: alt+f2, xfce4-panel
[22:23] <the-erm> xfce4-panel starts the pannel
[22:23] <Coder365_> ah hah
[22:23] <Coder365_> there we go
[22:23] <the-erm> then you have to right-click and add.
[22:23] <Coder365_> thanks :)
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> np
[22:23] <Coder365_> later
[22:24] <the-erm> too bad he left so quickly ... forgot to remind him to save his session when he logs out.