seeleanyone happen to know where the kernel deb files are listed on launchpad?  i haven't been able to find any kernel packages (i want an older one)00:02
a|wenseele: source: linux00:04
a|wen(i hvert fald i hardy++)00:04
a|wen(at least in hardy++)00:04
* a|wen should talk english00:05
xerosisapachelogger: did bug 285807 affect you? Only the patch doesn't seem to have fixed the issue for me00:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285807 in ktorrent "ktorrent uses high cpu and all of memory" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28580700:10
seelea|wen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-386/
seelea|wen: shouldnt there be linux-headers and linux-modules package dependencies?  theyre not listed.00:15
seeleshit, that's not the right one anyway00:16
a|wenseele: exactly what are you looking for?00:16
jjesseholy crap anyone watching the basebal lworld series?  worst national anthem ever00:17
seelea|wen: the kernel that is on the alpha4 cd00:17
seelea|wen: bug 26856500:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268565 in linux "iwl3945 times out after just a minute of use" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26856500:17
seelea|wen: i've got a 3945abg in my worklaptop and right now it's pretty much a paperweight :-/00:17
a|wenseele: do you know the version of it ... or a date?00:18
seele2.6.26-5-generic is what is listed on the live cd00:18
seelebut the ppl in #ubuntu said there are no .debs on the live cd and so i have to download it00:18
a|wenseele: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.26-5.1500:20
a|wenseele: that's at least what i could make out of the date of the alpha4 news on kubuntu.org00:20
seelea|wen: do i just need image and headers or do i need all of those packages?00:21
a|wenseele: image and headers should be enough ... and you'll probably want the modules from that time as well00:22
ScottKWould someone please look again at Debian Bug #503401?  They've fixed it now.  So should we grab the patch?00:25
ubottuDebian bug 503401 in kvirc "try to start command via irc:// handler" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/50340100:25
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a|wenScottK: looks good to me ... a clear improvement as it replaces a home-made escape-something-function with a Qt escape function00:36
ScottKa|wen: Would you prepare a debdiff and we'll see if it goes in -release or -proposed?00:37
a|wenScottK: i can do that00:40
ScottKa|wen: Please include making an appropriate Ubuntu bug you can close in debian/changelog in that effort.00:41
a|wenScottK: i'll do that as well00:43
seelea|wen: yay!  thanks for the help00:48
a|wenseele: no problem00:49
a|wenScottK: should I bump urgency as well?00:51
ScottKa|wen: Don't bother.  Ubuntu doesn't use it.00:51
a|wenok, noted :)00:52
JontheEchidnathink Bug 289355 could be serious?01:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289355 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine needs libbonoboui2-0 to render correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28935501:02
Hobbseeuh oh01:04
* JontheEchidna was afraid of that01:05
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ^01:05
* Hobbsee blinks01:05
Hobbseeyeah, that's RC.  who screwed that up?01:05
HobbseeJontheEchidna: note the lack of depends *at all*01:06
JontheEchidnaI'll do a quick revert if somebody sponsors me, if we can make it in time01:07
ScottKJontheEchidna: I can sponsor it.01:07
Riddellit is deliberate that it doesn't have depends01:08
Riddellis there actually a problem here?01:08
Hobbseeinstall firefox or something and check?01:08
* ScottK steps aside for the master.01:08
JontheEchidnaRiddell: according to bug 289355 it is01:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289355 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine needs libbonoboui2-0 to render correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28935501:08
HobbseeSince gtk-qt-engine has been updated in Intrepid to not depend on libbonoboui2-0, KDE theme does not apply to GTK applications. Installing libbonoboui2-0 by hand solve the issue.01:08
Hobbseesays that it is...01:08
RiddellI don't see a problem, I've no desire to start bringing in gtk depends onto the CD01:09
ScottKI can see that.  Does that drag a lot of other stuff in too then?01:10
JontheEchidnacairo, glade, glib and libgnome prominently01:11
ScottKIt's a 5 minute build on i386, which is the only busy arch due to language packs.01:11
HobbseeScottK: it can be rescored manually01:12
ScottKHobbsee: Yes.  I just want to make sure we leave room for what's there to finish and any last minute excitement.01:13
ScottKRiddell: Would it be better to drop it to the DvD and not install it by default then?01:13
Riddellno, then it'll never get used01:13
Hobbseebut does it actually do anything now anyway?01:14
Riddellyes, if you have gtk and bonabo instaled01:14
ScottKRiddell: So by default it does nothing and you need to install stuff. How is it worse to have to install it and then have it work (if it drags the depends in)?01:15
* ScottK is confused.01:15
Riddellpeople install gnomey things, it works01:16
Riddellwithout it, people install gnomey things and you get GTKs stupid default theme01:17
Hobbseeso what you're saying is that these deps should automatically get installed if you install gnome programs, soit should all work01:18
ScottKUnfortunately it doesn't look, at least based on casual observation that Firefox is one of those things that drags all the right Gnomey things in.01:18
Riddelliz gtk bug01:19
ScottKOK.  Any suggestion which package we should pin the blame on then?01:21
Riddellgtk, it should ship a nice theme01:21
JontheEchidnamaybe gtk 3.0 will get a theme that sucks less01:23
Riddellhope so01:23
ScottKSorry to break the pattern, but ...01:33
ScottKa|wen: Did you get distracted or is there a problem?01:34
a|wenScottK: the patch didn't apply cleanly (we were one debian revision off, so they had some other patches too) so i needed to recreate it manually01:35
a|wenScottK: it's testbuilding right now01:35
ScottKa|wen: Great.  Thanks for sticking with it.01:35
a|wenScottK: of course ... i suppose you are ready to give it a quick test in 5-10 mins or so to see that nothing explodes01:37
ScottKI'll probably stay up tonight until close to the final freeze just in case.01:38
ScottKa|wen: Why don't you go ahead and give me the debdiff so I can start my build too.01:40
ncfi1013_is kde3 still supported, namely k3b? or is everything kde4 now?01:40
ScottKNot everything is KDE4.01:40
ScottKThere is no KDE3 desktop, but we ship KDE3 apps in a number of cases where it made sense.01:40
* ScottK senses that question coming up again.01:41
JontheEchidnadon't we have a wiki for that?01:41
a|wenScottK: devbug 28969501:41
ScottKWelcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 4 days to go! | There is no KDE3 desktop, but we ship KDE3 apps in a number of cases where it made sense.01:41
a|wenScottK: debdiff at bug 28969501:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289695 in kvirc "irc// uri handler command excution vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28969501:41
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 4 days to go! | There is no KDE3 desktop, but we ship KDE3 apps in a number of cases where it made sense.
ScottKOK.  Thanks.01:41
JontheEchidna4 more days and #kubuntu-kde4 gets to move to #kubuntu01:43
a|wenScottK: any other things we should look at before final freeze?01:43
ScottKNot that I'm immediately aware of.01:44
ScottKJontheEchidna: How are things in the user channels?01:47
JontheEchidnaI really only hang out in #kubuntu-kde4 and #ubuntu+101:48
ScottKOK.  Well since I'm curious about last minute Intrepid issues, that works.01:48
seeleanyone experiencing plasma crashes?01:49
ScottKNot me.01:49
seeleScottK: upgrade or fresh insta..?01:49
JontheEchidnaScottK: in #k-kde4 we mainly help people find out how to use stuff or help them turn off compositing from the console, etc01:49
ScottKOK, well it seems like you're in the right channels to hear about anything exciting and last minutish.01:50
ScottKThe kvirc thing I only know about because I get all the Debian KDE bug traffic.01:50
JontheEchidnayeah, not many reports of things asploding01:50
JontheEchidnamainly people needing help to find feature x01:51
JontheEchidnaor turn off compositing from the konsole01:51
ScottKYou might also consider issues that ought to be in the release notes.01:51
ScottKSpeaking of which, who's taking charge of the final release notes?  We ought to start on that before release day.01:52
JontheEchidnaI could do a wiki page for the final release01:56
JontheEchidnawe're abusing nixternal too much lately ;)01:56
ScottKYou saw the RC page, right?01:56
ScottKOK.  That but more so.01:57
ScottKBTW, no such thing as abusing nixternal too much.01:59
ScottKBe sure and stamp it draft if you haven't.02:07
JontheEchidnahow do I do that?02:09
JontheEchidnado I have to do anything special or do I just say "this is a draft"?02:11
ScottKThat'll do for a start.02:13
a|wenScottK: kvirc test-builded ... doesn't blow anything up here02:13
ScottKThere is a way to do a watermark, but I dunno how.02:13
ScottKa|wen: Thanks.  Still building here.02:13
a|wenScottK: i have it in a PPA as well, if you need that at some point: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive02:14
ScottKI'll wait for my build.  My paranoia extends far enough not to install binaries from unsigned repos.02:15
a|wendon't feel that comfortable with it either; but as long as it is inside a VM i do dare ... but signed PPA's would really be good02:17
ScottKYeah.  In a VM it should be fine.  I'm testing on real hardware here.02:17
* JontheEchidna found a better picture of Dolphin02:22
JontheEchidnaon the plus side, we were able to cut the list of known issues in half for final :]02:23
ScottKThe build finishes ...02:24
ScottKYou should also look at the Hardy release notes and see if there are issues that need to be updated/brought forward.02:24
JontheEchidnaPretty much the only one on that list that we care about is *Bug #1 - Microsoft has a majority market share02:26
ScottKThe release note on multiple displays can be updated, but I think not dispensed with.02:26
ScottKAs I undertstand it, xrandr only works on rectangular display areas, so both the primary and alternate monitor need to be on the same resolution.02:27
ScottKThis can be problematic if you're going to try a to project a presentation and you don't have a lot of fiddling time in advance.02:27
JontheEchidnaanyhow, /me is out for the night02:28
|ScottK-laptop|Looks like kvirc works.02:30
|ScottK-laptop|See you later.02:31
a|wengood :)02:32
ScottKa|wen: Uploaded.02:33
a|wenScottK: perfect02:34
ScottKIt looks like the i386 buildd's are full pretty much to final freeze.  So unless someone comes up with something that doesn't touch i386, we're done uploading for Intrepid.03:08
a|wensounds like that was the "just go to bed" call03:12
a|wenthat's at least my plan ... see you all tomorrow03:13
ScottKOdd.  I existed konversation quite a while ago. ^^^ happened when I closed a konqueror window.03:14
a|wenlooks like the server isn't that picky about receiving from the client that often03:16
glade88ello.. after the latest update, I could not at all use kernel-- the system starts, but I cannot launch any apps, and it takes forever.. Using the oldest does work, but when I launch any app (say dolphin), there is an unneeded and unnecessary lag to launch the app for about 3-4 secs.. and also, while booting into, I get a keyboard icon at the systray, idk what's it for.. I didn't have that earlier/dont have it with03:19
* ScottK gently directs glade88 to #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1 .03:20
glade88okay thanks ScottK, I'll ask there..03:21
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davmor2Riddell: Just trying out Kubuntu for those fixes now11:26
Riddellthanks davmor211:26
apacheloggerxerosis: my machines have too much ram, so I wouldn't know :P but since I applied the patch, ktorrent was running for the last 6 days at 501 MiB11:31
apacheloggers/ktorrent/my server11:32
davmor2Riddell: Direct install still doesn't seem to be working11:40
davmor2Riddell: trying oem now11:43
davmor2Riddell: the release notes link is half off the screen in oem mode11:46
Riddelldavmor2: what version of ubiquity do you have ?11:46
Riddellcat /var/log/installer/version11:47
Riddelldavmor2: old version, needs 1.10.811:49
Riddelldavmor2: are you using today's CDs?  I only made them an hour ago11:49
davmor2I'll re-update and try again11:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you actually file a BR for bug 217654 @ fd.o?11:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 217654 in kdesdk "nautilus won't launch KDE apps" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21765411:54
JontheEchidnanever got around to it11:54
* apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye11:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: plenty of time now :P11:58
JontheEchidnayeah, guess so11:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I guess we should target bugs with fix committed to KDE stable for intrepid-updates?12:01
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: guess so12:01
apacheloggerthat way we can search for them more easily and close them in the changelog entries12:01
davmor2Riddell: Yay big pause before the screen shows up but it's there in all its glory12:09
davmor2Riddell: direct install12:09
davmor2oem after I know this installs I think heno is testing it too12:13
apacheloggerI just spent 15 minutes explaining myself in the most wasteful bug of all.12:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: if the same magic bug gets opened again I will close it without further comment12:24
JontheEchidnaugh, he opened it again?12:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yes, I tried to explain why this whole beast is not belonging into malone and why we can't deal with it in malone and why he should use blueprints, but I doubt he will get my point12:26
JontheEchidnaoh well12:26
apacheloggerthat said I need coffee, so I guess it isn't understandble anyway ;-)12:26
Hobbseewhich one is this?12:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 150333 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu does not have the same "magic" than Ubuntu" [Wishlist,Invalid]12:27
Hobbseeoh dear.  that already looks bad.12:29
apacheloggerhaha, the last line kicks ass :D12:29
apacheloggerdid I mention that the box when changing bug status is awfully small?12:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: IMHO a "foward to upstream" button would be nice12:33
davmor2Riddell: Yay install notes text is viewable properly now in oem12:34
davmor2next the the re-start :)#12:34
ScottKAnyone looked at Bug #286858?12:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286858 in kdegraphics "Gwenview destroys EXIF info when rotating images!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28685812:35
ScottKRiddell: It looks like we need to remove the source only of the old separate gwenview package.12:35
ScottKRiddell: Bug #28983512:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289835 in gwenview "Please remove gwenview source only from Intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28983512:39
smarterhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1 omg12:39
xerosisapachelogger: it's still using 90%+ CPU for me :(12:43
ScottKapachelogger: IIRC 'forward upstream' button is planned.  My biggest concern is making sure only people who know enough when to press it have that button.12:44
apacheloggerScottK: should be only available to members of the bug control team12:47
ScottKapachelogger: At most.12:48
ScottKapachelogger: Any thoughts on the gwenview  EXIF bug ^^?12:48
ScottKIf we're eating user's data, that's not really good.12:48
apacheloggerI am quite sure it's one of the libs rather than gwenview12:49
* apachelogger goes searching images with exif information12:49
seeleuhm.. hmm.. the kwinrules are wrong12:49
apacheloggeruh, my system is speaking german :D12:51
* apachelogger finds it quite awful when CLI apps are localized though12:51
apacheloggerScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63232/12:51
apacheloggerScottK: it clearly edits the image, but the exif tags aren't changed12:52
Riddellseele: how?12:52
apacheloggerNightrose++ for storing exif images in my pictures folder :D12:52
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks for checking.  Would you please mark a nice WTF in the bug?12:53
Nightroseapachelogger: huh?12:53
Nightroseapachelogger: flickr photos for linuxtag? *g*12:53
apacheloggeryus :D12:53
seeleRiddell: it's not working the way it did when i first created the rules12:54
seeleargh.. hold on.. wtf is going on12:54
davmor2Riddell: Yay \o/ \o/ \o/ Works.  Now don't touch a thing ;)12:55
* ScottK won't fixes Bug 289840 2 minutes after it's reported12:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289840 in ubuntu "No KDE3.5 in Intrepid Ibex" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28984012:55
apacheloggerI like the "For me, as for many others - as far as i know - is it really bad not to have kde3.5 longer in the system." part12:56
ScottKI was nice.12:56
seeleRiddell: they should all be set to Apply Now, not Apply Initially.. otherwise the windows always open to the rules size even after the user has resized it12:56
seeleRiddell: Apply Now only sets it the first time and then removes the rule12:56
ScottKAh.  That explains a lot.12:57
Riddellseele: how is that set?12:57
seeleRiddell: Alt+F3 in any window > Configure Window Behavior > Window Specific Page > Modify > Geometry > s/Apply Initially/Apply Now12:59
rgreeningwe need a bot to auto-close KDE 3.5 in intrepid bugs :)13:01
rgreeningcause you know there are going to be lots of them coming...13:01
* apachelogger finds http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14276/ quite stupid, you could loose your job once a year ... frightening scenario13:01
ScottKapachelogger: If you don't want to be frightened, don't read brainstorm.13:02
apacheloggerrgreening: I am not so sure about that, "go back to 3.5 for jaunty" sounds more sensible13:02
seeleapachelogger: aren't they hiring one more kde/kubuntu developer anyway?13:02
apacheloggerScottK: just read it because of the kubuntu-not-same-magic-as-ubuntu bug13:02
ScottKseele: That's for upstream work.13:03
apacheloggerwell, I think it's gonna be hard finding one with years of KDE AND Quick Time experience  :P13:03
RiddellScottK: kwinrules is our doing13:03
ScottKSo it's on purpose apps get started the same size no matter what I had it at last?13:04
apacheloggerScottK: it's not, we just use the wrong rule as seele explained13:04
rgreeningapachelogger: for i in bugs.launchpad.net do; find KDE 3.5 | grep -i [Jaunty/Intrepid] | remove $i; done13:04
seeleScottK: same difference isnt it?  i'd assume the upstream work they would do would to benefit kubuntu/ubuntu in the end13:05
apacheloggerrgreening: ^_^13:05
seele(Riddell is probably the best person to ask about that though ;P)13:05
ScottKseele: Yes, just not directly.13:05
apacheloggerseele: even when someone gets employed to work on the kernel we indirectly benefit from it ;-)13:06
* ScottK suddenly realizes he forgot coffee this morning and so if probably babbling senslessly.13:06
jjesse_how can you forgot coffee?  my brain stops functioning if i don't maintain the proper caffiene/blood ratios13:06
ScottKjjesse_: I'm highly distractable.  I made it and then came back to my desk for a moment while it was brewing.13:08
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ScottKapachelogger: From my perspective as a consultant having a one year contract would be a nice piece of added stability and comfort.13:12
apacheloggerScottK: hm, yeah, probably depends on the POV13:13
apacheloggeralso 1 year = 2 cycles, I guess one could even do some greater projects within that time ;-)13:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: should quickaccess really be able to ..13:14
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you mean that wishlist?13:15
apacheloggerfolderview doens't either, and I don't think it makes much sense13:15
apacheloggerthe point is to quick access some common stuff13:15
apacheloggernot browse your FS13:15
JontheEchidnayeah, agreed13:15
ScottKWho is in charge of the Kubuntu Bug Triage Army?13:18
ScottKThe gwenview source package has been killed off and so the open bugs need to be looked at and relevant ones moved to kdegraphics.13:19
* apachelogger points at JontheEchidna13:19
apacheloggerScottK: LP should handle this more gracefully, reports for kopete also constantly go to the old sourcepackage13:20
ScottKWas the previous source package removed?13:20
apacheloggerI think so13:21
ScottKrmadison claims it was13:21
* ScottK just checked.13:21
apacheloggerkopete only was independent from kdenetworks for a couple of months, so reporting against that package doesn't make any sense13:21
ScottKThe separate source package still exists in dapper-backports.13:22
apacheloggerha! mario's core devship got mentioned in the weekly newsletter, mine did not.13:23
ScottKMaybe Riddell would copy his 3.5.5 packages into dapper-backports and kill it off.13:23
apacheloggerno love for poor apachelogger :(13:23
Riddellprobably he added it himself13:26
apacheloggerthat is what good news is all about I guess13:27
Riddellseele: trouble with apply now is that it had the nasty habit of removing maximise buttons13:46
Riddellfor no obvious reason13:46
mok0ScottK: I'm here!13:48
ScottKmok0: Upgrading from the PPA versions should work as long as you have kubuntu-desktop installed.13:49
ScottKIIRC, seele has tested that.13:49
mok0ScottK: ... but I need to upgrade to ii first, right?13:49
Riddellit should work with only kubuntu-kde4-desktop installed13:50
ScottKmok0: ^^ That in hardy and then do your upgrade.13:50
mok0I have  kubuntu-kde4-desktop_0.14-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa113:51
Riddellwe have ppa meta-packages?13:51
Riddellthat seems like a bad idea13:51
ScottKRiddell: You'd need to have a version of it in the PPA, right?13:52
seeleRiddell: hum.. so just remove the rules?13:52
RiddellScottK: why?13:53
seeleRiddell: all of those apps should be fixed upstream eventually anyway.. the rules were a stop gap so they didn't look stupid when opened for the first time (like ktorrent and system monitor)13:53
ScottKBecause we have newer KDE in the PPA than in Hardy and so (I'm assuming) there will need to be differences in the package.13:53
ScottKRiddell: I'm guessing though, I've not actually looked at the PPA.13:54
Riddellmok0: what ppa is that from?13:54
* ScottK apparently needs more coffee. Back in a few.13:54
Riddellah, nixternal changed it "Updated meta packages to include kde-window-manager and drop kwin-kde4 for the KDE 4.1 Beta 1 packages"13:54
mok0Riddell: hang on...13:55
mok0 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu13:55
ScottKseele: That's what you tested upgrading from, right?  ^^14:01
seeleScottK: actually it failed because i didnt have kubuntu-kde4-desktop installed14:04
ScottKseele: So we need a test with it installed?14:04
ScottKmok0 should be a perfect guinea pig then.14:05
seeleScottK: yes14:08
ScottKmok0: So feel free to upgrade.  There's lots of talent here to laugh at your troubles <- <- <- <- <- <- <- <-  help you out.14:09
* JontheEchidna afk for 30 mins14:18
NCommandermorning Riddell14:19
glade88hi.. I set my openGL settings to "fallback" and as I pressed apply, I cant login the X (keeps restarting). how do I reset the graphics settings?14:24
glade88or maybe create a new user as useradd <uname> and passwd <uname> shows error: cannot enter home directory using / -- how do I set home directory?14:25
* mok0 holds breath... upgrade in progress14:34
hungermok0: Don't do that! Not breathing may be lethal.14:36
mok0hunger: I guess you are right... it requires 1 hour 47 minutes still14:38
* mok0 takes a breath...14:38
Riddellhi NCommander14:38
Riddellglade88: #kubuntu or #kubuntu-kde414:39
Riddellhas anyone decided what to do with #kubuntu-kde4 this week?14:39
glade88Riddell: yes, doing that thanks..14:39
jjessedidn't know there was a #kubuntu-kde414:40
ScottKRiddell: I'd say redirect it to #kubuntu after we release.14:42
JontheEchidnamaybe we could put kde3 support in #kubuntu-kde3?14:43
jussi01Riddell: yes, we have a plan14:43
jussi01Riddell: the plan is to forward it to #kubuntu14:44
jussi01Riddell: that has been the plan for a good while, actually since its inception.14:45
* ScottK guesses Riddell will like kirkland's latest blog entry.14:57
ScottKRiddell: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/09/hacker-hike-across-scotland.html14:58
Riddellha ha "Edinburg"  why are americans unable to pronounce the last sound in Edinburgh?15:00
Riddell"the Heart of Lothorian"  sounds like something out of a Tolkien novel :)15:00
JontheEchidnaI think that's one letter away from Lothlorian15:01
apacheloggerI am wondering what that is15:02
Riddellthe heart of midlothian?15:02
Tm_TLOLthorian !115:03
* Tm_T hides15:03
JontheEchidnaRiddell: do we even care about bug 22319 anymore?15:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 22319 in meta-kde "[3.5b1] New media change service not working as expected" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2231915:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that bug doesn't belong to meta-kde15:05
* apachelogger notes that we apparently ship a release candidate15:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: sounds obsolete15:06
JontheEchidnaRiddell: that's what I thought15:06
Riddellalternate images are out!15:07
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apacheloggerjust when I wanted to digg through google reader -.-15:07
JontheEchidnasomeobdy needs to change the topic to 3 days to go15:08
apachelogger~topic replace 3 3 days to go!15:08
=== kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 3 days to go! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
JontheEchidnaoh, anybody can change the topic?15:09
Riddellwe're not elitest here15:09
apacheloggerI thought we just don't care :P15:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I find it funny how peter's breadcrum in dolphin looks b0rked ;-)15:11
rgreening~twitter status Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay15:12
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'15:12
apacheloggernot status15:12
rgreening~twitter status update Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay15:12
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'15:12
rgreening~twitter update Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay15:12
kubotustatus updated15:12
rgreeninggot it..15:12
rgreeningso, anything for little old me to hack on today?15:13
Riddellrgreening: testing testing!15:14
* rgreening wishes he had a second pc15:15
rgreeningvm it is for me...15:15
rgreeninghmmm... maybe I should go buy a new laptop...15:16
* ScottK considering doing a dist-upgrade test on the kids computer while they are at school.15:16
JontheEchidnaNow that more people are awake... how does this look? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu15:17
rgreeningScottK: I'd do that to my wifes, but I think she'd freak at the change (without prior warning) to KDE4 :)15:17
* ScottK is not considering that one.15:18
rgreeninganyone recommend a good python book or tutorial site?15:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I still don't like that 8.10 pic15:20
RiddellJontheEchidna: ooh great15:20
JontheEchidnaneeds moar oxygen color pallete15:20
apacheloggerkuubntu color15:20
apacheloggerI get photobucket weirdness15:21
Riddellapachelogger: talk nicely to a|wen, maybe he'll fix15:21
apacheloggera|wen: go fix the colors! :P15:21
RiddellJontheEchidna: you can take out "Download the CD", this'll go on the website and we'll have the normal download page to use15:21
RiddellJontheEchidna: or point to /download15:21
a|wenapachelogger: which colors do you want? ... throw a pallette i can choose from at me :)15:21
JontheEchidnaok, but first /me needs hot dogs15:21
a|wenJontheEchidna: release candidate is mentioned a few times; and seems one of the pictures needs to be uploaded someplace else (phptobucket - bandwith exceeded, it says here) ... apart from that, starts looking nice15:23
apacheloggera|wen: #2E3436 - #555753 - #888A85 - #EEEEED | #00316E - #00458A - #0057AE - #6094CF - #A8DEE015:24
JontheEchidnathat would be my photobucket :(15:24
JontheEchidnai can haz hosting?15:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I guess we could upload to kubuntu.org15:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: You need air.  You want hot dogs.15:25
apacheloggeras a matter of fact, Riddell, shouldn't we post that as a news on kubuntu.org anyway?15:25
Riddellapachelogger: yes it will be15:25
RiddellJontheEchidna: do you have website access?15:25
JontheEchidnanot that I know of15:26
apacheloggerryanakca, nixternal: we need to do another marketing meeting soon15:26
* a|wen goes inkscaping...15:26
RiddellJontheEchidna: voila15:26
RiddellJontheEchidna: I don't know how to upload images though, but it can't be too hard15:26
apacheloggerthere is a special box for that when creating a story15:27
apacheloggerjust make sure to tick the "list" checkbox, so the attached files don't get listed at the bottom of the page15:27
JontheEchidnaI assume it should also not be pulished or promoted tot he front page?15:29
RiddellJontheEchidna: not yet!15:29
apacheloggerhm, we could, then we would get the attention from news sites and not ubuntu :P15:30
* apachelogger => searching food15:31
JontheEchidnaok, so is there a way to make up the story now but not publish it?15:35
\shJontheEchidna: drupal?15:36
Riddell\sh: yes15:36
Riddelluntick the publish and show on front page boxes surely?15:36
JontheEchidnaok, just making sure15:36
\shJontheEchidna: what riddell said15:37
\shRiddell: for images, you need the image modul + at least (to make it nice) the image gallery module15:37
\shRiddell: http://drupal.org/project/image15:38
\shRiddell: and sometimes the image_assist module is nice too...http://drupal.org/project/img_assist15:38
apachelogger\sh: no need, we mostly just have one pic, attached via the builtin upload functionallity15:42
\shapachelogger: yes, img_assist just makes them inside the post ,-)15:43
\shapachelogger: I'm not uising it either, I'm using the functionality of my editor ;)15:43
apachelogger\sh: getting the module accepted by the sysadmins isn't worth the trouble ;-)15:43
* Riddell reboots into testing mode15:45
* DaSkreech plays Riddell's theme song15:46
nixternalapachelogger: I am only available Mon. - Fri. after 00:00 UTC15:48
nixternalor 00:00 UTC or later15:48
apacheloggerthat is 1:00 CET15:48
* apachelogger shudders15:48
a|wenapachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- further suggestions, please15:49
apacheloggera|wen: make a shadow behind the kubuntu logo15:49
apacheloggera|wen: I find the background gradient weird TBH15:49
a|wenapachelogger: the background gradient is bothering me as well15:50
DaSkreechnixternal: Ibexed ou now?15:50
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/counter/ try that combination15:51
DaSkreechout even15:51
apacheloggeri.e. the current logo with that lightblue-to-almost-white background15:51
JontheEchidnaFixed width is really annoying15:52
a|wenapachelogger: oh ... i'll try to play with that combination15:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: +115:52
apacheloggerScottK: bug 286858 ... it indeed seems to break for him16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286858 in kdegraphics "Gwenview destroys EXIF info when rotating images!" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28685816:03
* apachelogger doesn't have the knowledge to triage that though16:03
DaSkreechCan I rebuild the icon cache?16:04
* ScottK neither.16:04
apacheloggerScottK: maybe we should close and send him to upstream? or leave the bug open and send him to upsream?16:08
ScottKapachelogger: I'd say leave it open and send him upstream.16:08
ScottKI'd also consider a release note for it since it eats data.16:08
JontheEchidnaOM NOM NOM NOM16:08
* DaSkreech nomnoms16:09
apacheloggerScottK: well, we don't know for sure16:09
DaSkreechAll of my icons are the Ubuntu logo16:09
apacheloggerScottK: it could just as well be that a lib didn't upgrade for him16:09
DaSkreechwell basically all icons indicating direction16:10
apacheloggeror some weirdness with the EXIF the camera writes16:10
apacheloggercould be all sorts of things AFAIK16:10
ScottKapachelogger: True, but better to warn than not, IMO.16:11
apacheloggerScottK: could also cause bad promotion ... "kubuntu is willingly releasing dangerous software"16:12
ScottKapachelogger: It's KDE4.  Duh.16:12
apacheloggerScottK: right, according to distrowatch KDE 4.1 is a release candidate anyway ;-)16:13
glade88I had an error. if I set openGL to "fallback", X would crash. so which binary should I point to while reporting a bug?16:15
glade88openGL to "fallback" at system settings->desktop->advanced ^^^16:15
JontheEchidnawhich drivers are you using?16:16
glade88JontheEchidna: Xorg .. for onboard intel GPU16:17
JontheEchidnaprobably the intel drivers then16:17
apacheloggerScottK: I asked him to report at bko16:18
glade88JontheEchidna: so this isnt much os a KDE bug but a driver glitch?16:18
JontheEchidnaprobably, generally only the drivers can crash X16:18
glade88JontheEchidna: hm. okay .. thanks :)16:19
jcastroAny takers for Kubuntu openweek sessions?16:19
jcastroplenty of slots left!16:20
apacheloggerwho did I poke last time you asked?16:21
* apachelogger pokes^2 JontheEchidna16:22
* JontheEchidna didn't think of anything past "How to help Kubuntu"16:22
JontheEchidnaWell, we could do a new spin on it introducing the Kubuntu ninjas and giving a more extensive bug triaging talk16:23
ScottKa|wen: You may want to add http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503687 to your list.16:23
ubottuDebian bug 503687 in kicker "kicker won't hide immediately" [Normal,Open]16:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what would we talk about?16:23
JontheEchidnauh, good questin16:23
JontheEchidnaour batsecrets16:23
ScottKapachelogger: "Finally we have a release that upstream cares about"16:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: oh my james tiberus kirk!16:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: would anyone really care?16:24
jcastroJontheEchidna: tying it into QA is always good16:24
apacheloggerScottK: I don't get that one16:24
jcastroNightrose: an amarok wolf brigade session would be welcome!16:24
JontheEchidna"Bug triaging the KDE/Kubuntu way"16:25
ScottKapachelogger: For a long time upstream interest in KDE3.5 bugs has been relatively low because they were focused on KDE4.16:25
apacheloggerScottK: true16:25
ScottKSo now we have KDE4 as out main release and so they are a lot more interested in our bugs.16:25
a|wenScottK: oh ... you haven't seen it in LP yet?16:25
Nightrosejcastro: unfortunately I am swamped right now as university started again and bf is taking up lots of time so I doubt I can prepare something worthy and I don't know who else could do it  :/16:26
ScottKa|wen: No.  Just saw the sarcasm in the Debian bug when they saw the revision number.16:26
apacheloggerNightrose: markey or myri?16:26
jcastroNightrose: dang, ok, maybe next time16:26
a|wenScottK: okay ... i'll keep a look at it16:26
Nightroseapachelogger: hmmmmmmmmmmmm16:27
JontheEchidnaWednesday seems to be QA day16:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: "Kubuntu - Reinventing QA" ;-)16:27
JontheEchidnaor, how to do proper QA with only 4 triagers :P16:28
apacheloggerQA is not just bug triage :P16:28
apacheloggerbut there must be something about it, considering we can do pretty decent bug triage with only 4 triagers16:28
JontheEchidnalast time I checked there were about 3,000 open bug reports in malone regarding either kubuntu or kde16:29
JontheEchidnaKubuntu bugs tracks about 2,000 of the most relevant ones16:29
* JontheEchidna feels sorry for the gnome/general ubuntu triagers16:30
Riddellapachelogger: who's the 4?16:31
apacheloggerRiddell: JontheEchidna, Arby, crimsun and me are currently most active16:31
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: big shoulders?16:32
JontheEchidnajcastro: could I have the 18.00 UTC time slot for Wednesday?16:32
a|wenapachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- should the kubuntu logo be darker?16:32
apacheloggera|wen: use the offical kubuntu logo16:33
apacheloggerit blends better with the background16:33
jcastroJontheEchidna: all the time-sensitive ones are scheduled, so feel free to edit the page and add what you want.16:33
apacheloggera|wen: I can send you a SVG if you want16:33
jcastroJontheEchidna: plenty of room so if you want to invade with tons of kubuntu topics I won't mind. :D16:33
apacheloggerconsidering I find it16:33
a|wenapachelogger: i found what was listed as the official one in the wiki ... but i suppose i shouldn16:33
a|wen't believe in that16:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: KDE Release Handling - Rapid package deployment using ruby ;-)16:34
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you gonna do that one?16:35
apacheloggera|wen: no, we need a unified resource for that kind of stuff16:35
rgreening+1 for apachelogger doing ruby tut16:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I am wondering if it was any interesting16:35
apacheloggerhm, or a general ruby tut ;-)16:35
rgreeningcall it ruby tuesday16:35
a|wenapachelogger: just give me a link to a svg when you find it16:35
JontheEchidna\o/ @ ruby tuesday16:36
apacheloggerwhat should I be covering in that tut?16:36
rgreeningvery basic ruby scripting (must assume some former programming). focus on the syntax and best prectices16:37
rgreeningand I'kl show up16:37
rgreeningseeing as you taunt ruby in every conversation.. :P16:38
JontheEchidna<3 batpaste16:38
* rgreening thinks pbuilder and pbuilder-hooks would be a worthy topic16:38
rgreening*points at apachelogger16:39
ScottKTitled "WTF is it on REVU if it won't even build"16:39
ScottKor maybe not.16:39
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/countdown-banner-7.svg I can't find the logo only, so just remove the other stuff ;-)16:41
ScottKapachelogger: Seriously a talk on "How can I help on the development release if I'm not running it yet" about tools would be seriously useful I think.16:41
apacheloggerrgreening, JontheEchidna: maybe first a general ruby tut and then how we abuse ruby for KDE release deployment?16:41
JontheEchidnasounds good to me, I'd attend both16:41
apacheloggerScottK: there so many things to talk about16:42
ScottKseb128 has his packaging army.  We have apachelogger's ruby scripts.16:42
apacheloggerScottK: I think that topic is better for the developerweek though16:43
ScottKPerhaps.  I can't keep track of the *weeks.16:43
apacheloggerthere are only 2 :P16:43
Riddell3 if you could kubuntu tutorials days16:44
ScottKRight.  One too many for my old tired brain.16:44
ScottKOK.  Two too many.16:44
Riddellapachelogger: do we have a countdown banner for today?16:45
apacheloggeronly that thing: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/counter/16:46
apacheloggerRiddell: what is today?16:46
Riddellthat's the business16:46
Riddellapachelogger: is this some philosphical question?16:47
rgreening+1 apachelogger - re: ruby tut :)16:48
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I usually wake up and wonder why today is today and not yesterday or even tomorrow, but that was not motivation for this question ... what makes the banner _for today_ and not _any day_?16:48
apacheloggeri.e. is something happening today?16:48
DaSkreechnixternal: Ha ha Just saw your comment on the Obamabuntu thing16:48
apacheloggerrgreening: will have to think about that16:48
a|wenapachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- are we getting closer?16:51
apacheloggerrgreening: btw, very basic ruby scripting doesn't assume former programming :P16:51
Riddellapachelogger: I'm about to blog is the motivation for today16:51
apacheloggerRiddell: ah, nice :)16:51
JontheEchidnaa|wen: I think that looks great16:51
apacheloggera lot better16:51
apacheloggerthere is still something with the ibex though16:52
apacheloggera|wen: please try the first color value I gave, it should differ enough from the botton while not differ too much from the rest16:52
a|wenapachelogger: you mean the dark grey for the ibex?16:53
* apachelogger needs to think a bit more while getting some fresh air16:53
a|wenapachelogger: relaod16:53
Riddellhmm, wiki died16:55
JontheEchidnahmm, how to handle bug 28993016:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289930 in kdebase-kde4 "Dophin crash when copying files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28993016:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: triage it :P16:59
JontheEchidnawell, the user goes on to *not* report a crash16:59
a|wenapachelogger: maybe the logo should be a bit smaller http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png vs. http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen2.png ?16:59
apacheloggera|wen: please upload the svg, gotta fiddle a bit17:01
apacheloggera|wen: smaller looks better btw17:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: goes on?17:01
a|wenapachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png and http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.svg17:02
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: he says that dolphin always loses his folders and deletes his email17:02
JontheEchidnaand goes on about how users will resent it17:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: he must report individual bugs for starts17:02
JontheEchidnabut do we want multiple bugs from him? :/17:03
JontheEchidnaseems pain-in-the-arse-ish17:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yeah, but we can't close this right away either ;-)17:03
apacheloggertake his reports apart one by one is easier17:03
apacheloggerhe must explain what he means by delete his emails ... how does he notice, what emails, where are they stored, what mail application is he using it, how does he fetch mails, is there some pattern for this to happen, when does it happen, is it reproducible....17:05
* apachelogger can be a PITA as well :P17:05
DaSkreechWhat's the plans for the more interactive Ubiquiy map?17:09
DaSkreechMarble? or just havin it zoom in on spots with lots of dots?17:10
JontheEchidnapython just got bindings for marble in 4.2 trunk, so maybe for jaunty we could have uberawesome marble integration?17:12
apacheloggerneeds some magic dependencywise17:14
popeyRiddell: broken link on your blog post - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidIbex/Upgrade/Kubuntu should be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu I guess?17:15
Riddellta popey17:16
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: so are we gunna throw an intrepid ibex party like the haligaly hummawhatever party last year?17:16
JontheEchidnathat wallpaper rocked17:16
JontheEchidnaer, earlier this year17:17
JontheEchidnalast release17:17
apacheloggerwell, back then I had a radio station :P17:18
popeyRiddell: will you be in "that" london for the release party?17:18
DaSkreechMixMasta apachelogger17:18
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png17:18
* apachelogger doesn't even get invited to release parties -.-17:20
apacheloggernow I know what looked so weird about the pic17:21
a|wenapachelogger: that shadow really gave some17:22
a|wenapachelogger: what did?17:22
JontheEchidnaso I guess we should send a news story to dot.kde.org this time around17:22
apacheloggera|wen: the shadow of the bottom thingy exceeds the natural border17:23
apacheloggerso essentially the bottom part of the pic has an outline shadow while the top part does not17:23
a|wenapachelogger: yeah ... that was actually on purpose; but that might have worked better with darker colors17:23
apacheloggera|wen: no, looks weird eitherway, it is just unnatural ;-)17:24
rgreeningany reason why konq mime type rss+xml doesn't list akregator?17:24
a|wenapachelogger: depends on the background around the image :P17:25
apacheloggerwell, if the background is black there is no point in having a shadow anyway ;-)17:25
a|wenapachelogger: haha ... i suppose you are in the process of changing it now?17:26
apacheloggera|wen: yus17:27
apacheloggernode fiddeling17:27
apacheloggerI think that didn't go very wel17:36
a|wenapachelogger: i'll leave for some hours now ... but if you throw me the svg, i can look at it when i get back17:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png17:41
apacheloggerdoes the shadow at the top look stronger than the one at the bottom?17:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: now?17:44
JontheEchidnalooks good17:45
* apachelogger thinks it is too weak at the top now :P17:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think now I got it17:45
* apachelogger hates different background colors for one object17:46
Riddellpopey: no, I'll be busy doing release things from Edinburgh17:48
davmor2Riddell: what size should kubuntu be at?17:58
Riddelldavmor2: desktop CDs are oversized if that's what you're talking about17:59
davmor2ah yeap17:59
Riddelldvds are building then new desktop cds can be done17:59
Riddellwhich might still be oversized depending on what the publisher picked up17:59
DaSkreechRiddell: I'll assume that Direction buttons shuld not be Ubuntu logos ?18:00
RiddellDaSkreech: direction buttons?18:00
DaSkreechback/forward before/after up/down18:00
Riddellmm, no18:00
DaSkreechThey are all ubuntu logos in my install18:00
DaSkreechIt just started to annoy me yesterday18:01
RiddellDaSkreech: screenshot?18:01
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.svg18:03
apacheloggerDaSkreech: wrong icon set?18:03
DaSkreechpaste.ubuntu should have file/image upload ;-(18:04
apacheloggerwe should make paste.kubuntu.org using rails :P18:04
apachelogger<3 rails18:04
apacheloggeranyone with amarok1 around?18:05
smarterapachelogger: yup18:06
apacheloggersmarter: can you please change the icon setting and tell me what it would write to amarokrc?18:06
smarterDaSkreech: that is definitely strange18:07
smarterapachelogger: 'k18:07
DaSkreechAnwhere there is a button tha indicates direction thats what it looks like18:07
DaSkreechthe Enter URL button in konqueror is that18:07
DaSkreechsinceit's a little go button18:07
RiddellDaSkreech: that's buts18:07
DaSkreechIt's in every app too18:08
apacheloggerDaSkreech: wrong icon set!18:08
apacheloggerchange to oxygen18:08
DaSkreechI knwo it should be blue! and Gearish...18:08
apacheloggerthe one you use doesn't support the icon spec properly18:08
DaSkreechWhee :)18:11
* jussi01 feels like griping... :(18:11
DaSkreechUnless it's on topic :)18:12
jussi01DaSkreech: hehe18:12
jussi01Just want kubuntu to have the bbc plugin also - really dont want to install totem...18:12
smarterapachelogger: by changing the icon setting you mean, unticking "use a personnalized icon theme"(or whatever it's called in en_US?)18:13
DaSkreechI seem to recall an explicit conversation (on konversation!) about dragonplayer supporting BBC18:13
apacheloggersmarter: yus, but forget about it18:13
apacheloggera amarok dood already told me18:13
apacheloggersuggestions about bug 289704 ?18:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289704 in amarok "No icon in Amarok (Intrepid)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28970418:14
jussi01DaSkreech: err, but does it? in the same way as the totem plugin?18:14
* DaSkreech points at someone else. I have no clue. I podcast the BBC stuff I care about18:15
smarterapachelogger: blame gnome :P18:15
apacheloggerI tend to blame 3rd party repos18:16
apacheloggerthat shouldn't be related to gnome at all18:16
DaSkreechThanks apachelogger. Don't know why I forgot that my Icons were set in Badger and haven't been changed since. Damn Linux robustness18:16
apacheloggerwhile he has set gnome as icon set for KDE, that wouldn't apply for Amarok unless the amarok-icon-theme is unticked18:16
apacheloggerDaSkreech: lol, I am planing on removing that without asking users :P18:17
DaSkreechLInux Robustness? :)18:17
apacheloggerall kdeglobals from < 4.0 will be eaten by almighty kconf_update to get rid of old icon set18:17
apacheloggerOxygen everywhere! \o/18:18
* apachelogger thinks that is abuse of power 18:18
DaSkreechWell a natural consequence of large amounts of oxygen is lots of flames :)18:20
apacheloggervery true18:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: bug 182521 sounds more like a support request, wouldn't you agree?18:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 182521 in meta-kde4 "kde 4.0 missing sound" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18252118:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yes, I am going to convert to question18:23
apacheloggernever did that :D18:23
JontheEchidnaI've done it once I think18:24
apacheloggerwoah that is slow :P18:25
apacheloggerbut fancy18:25
rgreening~twitter update Kubuntu ISO testing...18:30
kubotustatus updated18:30
jjessereally?  we reallly need twitter status updates?18:31
DaSkreechJaiku! :)18:31
DaSkreechTm_T: ping :)18:32
tyler_I have a resizing problem with konsole in Kubuntu intrepid18:36
tyler_I'm using KDE 4.1.2 from intrepid repository18:36
tyler_konsole doesn't remember the size I give it and so on every start it appears almost maximized18:37
JontheEchidnatyler_: that's bug 27919018:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279190 in kdebase "konsole, regression size" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27919018:38
tyler_sorry I didn't check in launchpad before, didn't have the time to18:39
tyler_hope they'll fix it soon18:39
tyler_good bye18:39
JontheEchidnaugh, a patch18:41
JontheEchidnathere was a proper upstream fix too18:42
ScottKHow long until 4.1.3?18:42
JontheEchidna...which was released after we patched around it18:42
JontheEchidnaScottK: uh, early next month I think18:42
ScottKHow early?  Next month is not far away.18:43
JontheEchidnatagged in 2 days18:43
JontheEchidnareleased the 5th18:43
* rgreening can't wait to build 4.1.318:43
ScottKNo point in upoading the patch to -proposed too.18:44
rgreeninglet me know what I can do with 4.1.3 to get it ready when the time is here...18:44
JontheEchidnaI'll target that konsole bug for intrepid-updates, and assign it to myself so that we don't forget to remove that patch18:44
ScottKIt's probably be handy to start seeing what patches we can drop for 4.1.3.  When I'm doing a new upstream of a package with lots of patches, that seems to take the most time.18:45
taupter_nbA good patch to be included would be that taskbar grouping fix (taskbar doesn't group similar apps in kde4.1.*)18:47
taupter_nbSuch patch is very useful to the composite-impaired users.18:47
sebasThat's a far too large and complicated thing to include18:47
sebasBesides, 4.1.3 is a bugfix release, no new features18:47
ScottKThe goal now is dropping patches, not adding htem.18:48
* sebas just wanted to prevent people from backporting unfinished code18:49
taupter_nbIs it only my impression or Adept got worse? I cannot make sense of all those context-tags, and I can't disable them.18:49
taupter_nb(the UI doesn't react when I try to)18:50
taupter_nbThe kpackage package is broken here,18:50
JontheEchidnathe tags were there in adept2 as well18:50
JontheEchidnaI never use them thogh18:51
taupter_nbJontheEchidna: They just pop, and just as I try to not use them, they seem to procreate faster. :D18:51
JontheEchidnathat's because as you search for stuff some tags wouldn't have any results, so they are removed from the list of available ones18:52
taupter_nbThere's a bug when sorting of the results, too.18:52
taupter_nbAs much as I want it, I cannot make it organize packages alfabetically, they group from a to z, then a to z again, then again... Pretty anoying.18:54
taupter_nbBut overall I'm really impressed with how good Kubuntu 8.10 is becoming. 8-O18:57
jjessei would just like to say 8.10 is rocking on my dell mini you guys are awesome19:00
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jordoexmy one problem with 8.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/29000719:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 290007 in guidance-power-manager "Close lid to reliably turn off screen (kde)" [Undecided,New]19:25
* ScottK quits reading brainstorm before the depression gets too bad.19:31
* rgreening renames brainstorm to brainfart19:32
apacheloggerbrainfart \o/19:33
DaSkreecha flap of a butterfly's wing causes a storm19:33
* rgreening bows.... *ty. I'll be here all night*19:34
* rgreening patiently waiting for desktop iso's to appear...19:34
DaSkreechor the combined focused farts of input from AC on the web19:35
jjessei thought we were going to hire a developr for kubuntu badsed on donations?19:40
* jjesse ducks19:40
apacheloggerdonations \o/19:41
apacheloggerbounty work seems like an option as well19:42
jjessehey i read it on brainstorm so it has to be true19:42
RiddellDVDs are up for testing!19:42
* rgreening queues the spaghetti western music for the bounty hunter entrance19:42
* apachelogger notes that downloading a DVD would take fairly long, so he makes his server busy with the DVD, the workstation with the alternate CD and takes his laptop to bed :P19:43
apacheloggerbed \o/19:43
Riddellhmm, wait, the DVDs aren't up yet19:45
jjesseintersting when i do a fresh install of intrepid beta vmware tells me the version is 7.10 or lower19:45
* apachelogger is wondering what to do with the free bandwith19:45
* rgreening wonders when we start making Blu-Ray images19:47
apacheloggernot for a couple of decades19:48
apacheloggerwell, I think most other distros do deployment with DVDs nowadays19:48
apacheloggerseems more sensible anyway, then I wouldn't have to blame OOo for our space problems all the time ;-)19:49
rgreeningheh. We need to get bdiff for our packages.19:51
* rgreening wonders how hard that would be to integrate19:51
rgreeningI remember using it with Gentoo19:52
rgreeningsaved a lot of download time19:52
rgreeningRiddell: so, you lose the DVD's? :)19:53
ryanakcargreening: bdiff?19:53
rgreeningbinary diff19:53
apacheloggerdpkg should implement file based versioning19:54
apacheloggerlike conary does19:54
apacheloggereverything else is pimping the hooks19:54
* rgreening thinks "at least its not pimping for hookers19:55
apacheloggercomes down to the same anyway19:56
apacheloggerkubotu: facts about apachelogger19:56
kubotu[5/12] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/12] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers19:56
RiddellScottK: installing firefox does install libbonoboui2-0, not sure why though since I can then remove it without problem19:57
* rgreening needs a faster lappy.... running only one vm install at a time.. what a waste of time...19:57
Riddellrecommends of something presumably19:57
JontheEchidna~facts about sand19:58
kubotu[2/12] rgreening buries head in sand19:58
apacheloggerrgreening: get yourself a serva19:58
apacheloggerwith the all fancy Sun xVM stuff19:59
apacheloggerthen run mutliple instances of Kubuntu, that would certainly be most helpful with bug triage19:59
apacheloggerand backporting and CD testing19:59
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen-knome.svg knome also put some love into it20:02
rgreeningapachelogger: I'm thinking about it....20:03
rgreeningapachelogger: though I love my portability with lappy...20:03
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-810-ibex.png http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png20:05
apacheloggerI think we made a bit of progress today ;-)20:05
apacheloggerrgreening: well, you can keep the laptop20:05
apacheloggerbut hook it up to a fancy network with fancy virtual servers20:05
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: should I hotlink to kollide for the kubuntu.org story?20:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: nah, attach to the story20:06
apacheloggerI am not sure if we shouldn't make it smaller though20:06
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/5320:10
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JontheEchidnaif it was shorter it would look like the "intel inside" stickers20:12
JontheEchidnay'know, the pentium logos20:12
a|wenhi again :)20:13
a|wenapachelogger: is http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen-knome.svg the most uptodate file we have?20:14
* DaSkreech snots at knome20:15
a|wenapachelogger: it looks really great :)20:16
JontheEchidnawe need an updated adept picture before the 30th20:19
apacheloggera|wen: yes, mos recent file that is20:19
a|wenapachelogger: i think we can be satisfied with it20:21
a|wenScottK: regarding http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503687 ... i think it is because he has got kde 3.5.9 mixed in with 3.5.10; it has worked fine for me20:29
ubottuDebian bug 503687 in kicker "kicker won't hide immediately" [Normal,Open]20:29
rgreeningkicker hiding was always buggy20:30
ScottKa|wen: Yes.  And he did an 'upgrade' from Kubuntu to Debian so it's an unsupported use case anyway.20:31
a|wenScottK: "downgrading not supported" :)20:32
ScottKSo if he shows up on Launchpad you can invalid the bug straight out.20:32
a|weni'll keep an eye open20:35
Arbydoes bug 259030 sound like something that could be caused by the display rules file that was being discussed earlier today?20:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259030 in kdepim "Akregator does not remember its size after closing" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25903020:43
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Arbywhat's the right action if a bug is reported fixed upstream but the fix is only available in trunk?21:00
Arbydo we have to wait until the fix reaches kubuntu to close the bug?21:00
Arbywould it work to mark the upstream task as fix committed, to make it easier to find later?21:01
a|wenArby: depends on how critical the bug is ... normally yes; unless the changes are added directly as a patch to the current package21:02
Arbya|wen: yes to which part? bug 286596 btw21:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286596 in kdepim "Delete articles older than X days for default archive settings not remembered" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28659621:02
DaSkreechAnyone have Ubuntu Ibex ?21:03
a|wenArby: the bug is kept open until it is fixed in kubuntu ... either by the upstream version reaching us; or by patching21:04
Arbyok thanks, that's what I wanted to know.21:04
a|wenDaSkreech: as in not kubuntu?21:04
apacheloggerArby: poke upstream to consider backporting21:04
DaSkreechCan you open nautilus and right click on a directory look in properties and tell me if there is an Open With option?21:04
DaSkreech a|wen: yes21:04
a|wenDaSkreech: then no21:05
apacheloggerArby: as a matter of fact it might be backbported but the KDE bug wasn't CCed so you might want to check websvn before21:05
Arbyapachelogger: are they usually receptive to that? I don't feel like being shot21:05
* Arby looks at websvn21:05
* a|wen considers DaSkreech question to be a bit off-target in this particular channel21:07
apacheloggerArby: if a backport makes sense...21:07
DaSkreechIt is :)21:07
apacheloggerArby: you could also be extra nice and dump them a patch for branches/KDE/4.1 ;-)21:07
Arbythat might not be a bad idea :)21:08
Arbyapachelogger: does that look like the right thing to you http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=873560 ?21:10
rgreeningAnyone else have issues with suspend to ram with wired and resume without wired causing networkmanager having to restart to work? possible necessary module unload/reload required pre/post resume.. thoughts?21:10
Arbyit does to me21:10
apacheloggerArby: seems so21:10
apacheloggermark the launchpad bug as fix commited and set the milestone to intrepid-updates21:10
apacheloggerwe will pull it in with 4.1.321:10
Arbywhen are we doing 4.1.3 btw. I thought it was due soon21:11
Arbyend of this week it seems21:11
* Arby remembers to read the schedule :)21:12
RiddellDVDs are up!21:23
rgreeningfor real this time :P21:23
DaSkreechmight as well not have sound21:34
Arbywhat dbg packages do I need to fill in the gaps on bug 288943?22:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 288943 in kdepim "Crash when cancel deleting a task" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28894322:14
Arbyalready got kdepim-dbg22:14
rgreeningRiddell: so I been looking for the DVD's.. can you confirm the dir?22:20
Arbyis there any point in forwarding kde3.5.10 bugs upstream?22:29
Arbyi.e. is there any intent to do a 3.5.11 at any point.22:29
rgreeningok. ty.22:35
a|wenArby: the last i heard was that it was neither decided nor discarded22:45
Arbya|wen: thanks, I'll file it then. If it gets closed it gets closed22:46
a|wenArby: if it is regressions from 3.5.9 or more serious please consider adding the kde3.5.10 tag ... i keep an eye on that list22:54
Arbya|wen: could you have a look and see if bug 288145 seems the same as kde bug 170669 to you?22:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 288145 in kdepim "Kontact SIGSERVs after upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 when opening calendar after new mail has been received" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28814522:55
ubottuKDE bug 170669 in general "kontact crashes when clicking on calendar" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17066922:55
Arbya|wen: it's (another) kontact crash22:55
ScottKa|wen - "King of Kontact Crashes"22:56
a|wenArby: it looks like bug 288145 is the same as bug 28690522:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 288145 in kdepim "Kontact SIGSERVs after upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 when opening calendar after new mail has been received" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28814522:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286905 in kdepim "contact crash in calendar after update kde 3.5.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28690522:56
* Arby looks22:57
ArbyI'll mark 288145 as a dupe then22:58
a|wenArby: thay changed some of the internal calendar drawing/logic to be event based for improved performancei've , tried figuring out wth goes wrong ... but the event based nature makes debugging very annoying as all the traces isn't really related to the real problem22:59
Arbythat sounds .... inconvenient23:00
Arbytraces not related to the problem that is23:00
taupter_nbO hai. libplasma-dev is uninstalable23:01
Riddelldesktop CDs are up!23:02
taupter_nbRiddell: Are these final?23:02
Riddellthey are candidates23:02
Riddellthey need testing23:02
taupter_nbRiddell: Oh. Daily builds.23:03
taupter_nbRiddell: Hey, libplasma-dev is uninstalable. libplasma2 exists but libplasma2-dev doesn't. Is it of concern? :)23:04
Riddelllibplasma-dev installs here23:05
echidnamaninstalls fine here too23:06
taupter_nbRiddell: I upgraded a hardy amd64, it doesn't install here. Maybe I should try a clean install?23:06
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Riddellmaybe you should see why it doesn't install23:06
taupter_nbRiddell: It complains about a kdelibs5 >=4.1.2 dependency.23:06
taupter_nbOh a mix of old packages here. Didn't upgrade cleanly. :)23:10
KDeskHi, has Kubunut 8.10 backports from KDE 4.2 to 4.1?23:30
ScottKIt will after 4.2.0 is released.23:31
ScottK-laptopI lost the desktop effect where if I put the cursor in the corner it shows me all the open windows.23:37
ScottK-laptopHow do I get that back?23:37
jtechidnaScottK-laptop: That's the present windows effect23:38
ScottK-laptopThen why did it stop working?23:38
ScottK-laptopI must have turned something off.23:38
KDeskScottK: I mean if the packages in kubuntu have backported bugs or futures that will have kde 4.2. Like opensuse does with kde.23:39
jtechidnaKDesk: we backported tooltips for the taskmanager23:39
ScottK-laptopWe backported a few features, but that's done.23:39
KDeskjtechidna: Ah, the tooltips are back! :-)23:40
ScottK-laptopI'm testing upgrades by having my not very technical 14 year old daughter upgrade their computer.23:40
ScottK-laptopKDesk: We'll continue to update Intrepid with 4.1.x releases as they come with separate backports of 4.2.x for the adeventurous in intrepid-backports.23:44
KDeskScottK-laptop:  That sounds good :-)23:45
ScottK-laptopechidnaman: So how do I get my effects back?23:45
rgreeningfav/sys-settings/desktop/all effects/present windows23:46
echidnamanmaybe toggle the Enable desktop effects button and hit apply and see if that works?23:47
rgreeningtick it and check th eoptions (the wrench) to see the activation key23:47
ScottK-laptopGurr.  I'd unchecked effects somehow.23:50
ScottK-laptoprgreening and echidnaman: Thanks.23:50
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rgreeningoh.. I see23:51
rgreening"no effects for you.. come back 1 year"23:51
ScottK-laptopUpgrade is going really slowly.  145kB/s.23:52
ScottK-laptopThis is on wired.23:52
ScottK-laptopI suspect the data center is starting to get hammered for the release.23:52
ScottK-laptopI did one of these on release day for Gutsy that took 12 hours just to download the updates.23:53
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: Did you do the upgrade instructions?23:53
ScottK-laptopWhoever did them did a good job.23:53
ScottK-laptopMy daughter got the upgrade kicked off.23:54
JontheEchidnaI think Riddell did 'em23:54
NCommanderScottK-laptop, intrepid hasn't offically released yet, have they?23:54
ScottK-laptopNCommander: No.  It's still RC.23:54
NCommanderfor another day23:54
ScottK-laptopUhh.  Three.23:54
ScottK-laptopRelease is on Thursday.23:54
JontheEchidna2 after midnight23:54
ScottK-laptopWell exactly when on Thursday is always a matter of speculation.23:55
NCommanderRelease schedule says the 30th23:55
NCommanderDid it get pushed back a day?23:55
ScottK-laptopIt was always Thursday23:55
NCommanderWhat if Thursday was in November? (just as a question)23:56
ScottK-laptopThey'd have picked a different week.23:56
NCommanderI see23:56
NCommanderso why Thusday?23:56
ScottK-laptopNote the Feisty is already past support.  We're releasing later in the month than we did then.23:56
ScottK-laptopMy guess is to give most of a work week to get CD images right, but have a little wiggle room on the week if there's a disaster.23:57
NCommanderi.e., langpacks23:57
JontheEchidnathen slangsek goes into hyper-no-sleep-coffee mode23:58
ScottK-laptopThat was merely sporting.  Not a disaster.23:58
NCommanderI guess thats why he's so high strung towards release week23:58
ScottK-laptopEven with all the last minute Universe stuff I allowed to be shoved in we missed the original deadline by less than an hour.23:59

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