[00:02] <seele> anyone happen to know where the kernel deb files are listed on launchpad?  i haven't been able to find any kernel packages (i want an older one)
[00:04] <a|wen> seele: source: linux
[00:04] <a|wen> (i hvert fald i hardy++)
[00:04] <a|wen> (at least in hardy++)
[00:05]  * a|wen should talk english
[00:10] <xerosis> apachelogger: did bug 285807 affect you? Only the patch doesn't seem to have fixed the issue for me
[00:15] <seele> a|wen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-386/2.6.25.2.3
[00:15] <seele> a|wen: shouldnt there be linux-headers and linux-modules package dependencies?  theyre not listed.
[00:16] <seele> shit, that's not the right one anyway
[00:16] <seele> argh!
[00:16] <a|wen> seele: exactly what are you looking for?
[00:17] <jjesse> holy crap anyone watching the basebal lworld series?  worst national anthem ever
[00:17] <seele> a|wen: the kernel that is on the alpha4 cd
[00:17] <seele> a|wen: bug 268565
[00:17] <seele> a|wen: i've got a 3945abg in my worklaptop and right now it's pretty much a paperweight :-/
[00:18] <a|wen> seele: do you know the version of it ... or a date?
[00:18] <seele> 2.6.26-5-generic is what is listed on the live cd
[00:18] <seele> but the ppl in #ubuntu said there are no .debs on the live cd and so i have to download it
[00:20] <a|wen> seele: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.26-5.15
[00:20] <a|wen> seele: that's at least what i could make out of the date of the alpha4 news on kubuntu.org
[00:21] <seele> a|wen: do i just need image and headers or do i need all of those packages?
[00:22] <a|wen> seele: image and headers should be enough ... and you'll probably want the modules from that time as well
[00:25] <ScottK> Would someone please look again at Debian Bug #503401?  They've fixed it now.  So should we grab the patch?
[00:36] <a|wen> ScottK: looks good to me ... a clear improvement as it replaces a home-made escape-something-function with a Qt escape function
[00:37] <ScottK> a|wen: Would you prepare a debdiff and we'll see if it goes in -release or -proposed?
[00:40] <a|wen> ScottK: i can do that
[00:41] <ScottK> a|wen: Please include making an appropriate Ubuntu bug you can close in debian/changelog in that effort.
[00:43] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll do that as well
[00:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:48] <seele> a|wen: yay!  thanks for the help
[00:49] <a|wen> seele: no problem
[00:51] <a|wen> ScottK: should I bump urgency as well?
[00:51] <ScottK> a|wen: Don't bother.  Ubuntu doesn't use it.
[00:52] <a|wen> ok, noted :)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> think Bug 289355 could be serious?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> uh oh
[01:05]  * JontheEchidna was afraid of that
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[01:05]  * Hobbsee blinks
[01:05] <Hobbsee> uhhhh.....
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's RC.  who screwed that up?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: note the lack of depends *at all*
[01:06] <ScottK> Urgh.
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> I'll do a quick revert if somebody sponsors me, if we can make it in time
[01:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I can sponsor it.
[01:08] <Riddell> it is deliberate that it doesn't have depends
[01:08] <Riddell> is there actually a problem here?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> install firefox or something and check?
[01:08]  * ScottK steps aside for the master.
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: according to bug 289355 it is
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Since gtk-qt-engine has been updated in Intrepid to not depend on libbonoboui2-0, KDE theme does not apply to GTK applications. Installing libbonoboui2-0 by hand solve the issue.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> says that it is...
[01:09] <Riddell> I don't see a problem, I've no desire to start bringing in gtk depends onto the CD
[01:10] <ScottK> I can see that.  Does that drag a lot of other stuff in too then?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> cairo, glade, glib and libgnome prominently
[01:11] <ScottK> It's a 5 minute build on i386, which is the only busy arch due to language packs.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it can be rescored manually
[01:13] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Yes.  I just want to make sure we leave room for what's there to finish and any last minute excitement.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> right
[01:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Would it be better to drop it to the DvD and not install it by default then?
[01:13] <Riddell> no, then it'll never get used
[01:14] <Hobbsee> but does it actually do anything now anyway?
[01:14] <Riddell> yes, if you have gtk and bonabo instaled
[01:15] <ScottK> Riddell: So by default it does nothing and you need to install stuff. How is it worse to have to install it and then have it work (if it drags the depends in)?
[01:15]  * ScottK is confused.
[01:16] <Riddell> people install gnomey things, it works
[01:17] <Riddell> without it, people install gnomey things and you get GTKs stupid default theme
[01:18] <Hobbsee> so what you're saying is that these deps should automatically get installed if you install gnome programs, soit should all work
[01:18] <ScottK> Unfortunately it doesn't look, at least based on casual observation that Firefox is one of those things that drags all the right Gnomey things in.
[01:19] <Riddell> iz gtk bug
[01:21] <ScottK> OK.  Any suggestion which package we should pin the blame on then?
[01:21] <Riddell> gtk, it should ship a nice theme
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> maybe gtk 3.0 will get a theme that sucks less
[01:23] <Riddell> hope so
[01:23] <emgent> A
[01:28] <ScottK> B
[01:31] <seele> C
[01:33] <ScottK> Sorry to break the pattern, but ...
[01:34] <ScottK> a|wen: Did you get distracted or is there a problem?
[01:35] <a|wen> ScottK: the patch didn't apply cleanly (we were one debian revision off, so they had some other patches too) so i needed to recreate it manually
[01:35] <a|wen> ScottK: it's testbuilding right now
[01:35] <ScottK> a|wen: Great.  Thanks for sticking with it.
[01:37] <a|wen> ScottK: of course ... i suppose you are ready to give it a quick test in 5-10 mins or so to see that nothing explodes
[01:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:38] <ScottK> I'll probably stay up tonight until close to the final freeze just in case.
[01:40] <ScottK> a|wen: Why don't you go ahead and give me the debdiff so I can start my build too.
[01:40] <ncfi1013_> is kde3 still supported, namely k3b? or is everything kde4 now?
[01:40] <ScottK> Not everything is KDE4.
[01:40] <ScottK> There is no KDE3 desktop, but we ship KDE3 apps in a number of cases where it made sense.
[01:41]  * ScottK senses that question coming up again.
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> don't we have a wiki for that?
[01:41] <a|wen> ScottK: devbug 289695
[01:41] <ScottK> Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 4 days to go! | There is no KDE3 desktop, but we ship KDE3 apps in a number of cases where it made sense.
[01:41] <ScottK> Oops.
[01:41] <a|wen> ScottK: debdiff at bug 289695
[01:41] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> 4 more days and #kubuntu-kde4 gets to move to #kubuntu
[01:43] <a|wen> ScottK: any other things we should look at before final freeze?
[01:44] <ScottK> Not that I'm immediately aware of.
[01:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How are things in the user channels?
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> I really only hang out in #kubuntu-kde4 and #ubuntu+1
[01:48] <ScottK> OK.  Well since I'm curious about last minute Intrepid issues, that works.
[01:49] <seele> anyone experiencing plasma crashes?
[01:49] <ScottK> Not me.
[01:49] <seele> ScottK: upgrade or fresh insta..?
[01:49] <ScottK> Upgrade.
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: in #k-kde4 we mainly help people find out how to use stuff or help them turn off compositing from the console, etc
[01:50] <ScottK> OK, well it seems like you're in the right channels to hear about anything exciting and last minutish.
[01:50] <ScottK> The kvirc thing I only know about because I get all the Debian KDE bug traffic.
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, not many reports of things asploding
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> mainly people needing help to find feature x
[01:51] <ScottK> Excellent.
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> or turn off compositing from the konsole
[01:51] <ScottK> You might also consider issues that ought to be in the release notes.
[01:52] <ScottK> Speaking of which, who's taking charge of the final release notes?  We ought to start on that before release day.
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> I could do a wiki page for the final release
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> we're abusing nixternal too much lately ;)
[01:56] <ScottK> You saw the RC page, right?
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[01:57] <ScottK> OK.  That but more so.
[01:59] <ScottK> BTW, no such thing as abusing nixternal too much.
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu
[02:07] <ScottK> Be sure and stamp it draft if you haven't.
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> how do I do that?
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> do I have to do anything special or do I just say "this is a draft"?
[02:13] <ScottK> That'll do for a start.
[02:13] <a|wen> ScottK: kvirc test-builded ... doesn't blow anything up here
[02:13] <ScottK> There is a way to do a watermark, but I dunno how.
[02:13] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.  Still building here.
[02:14] <a|wen> ScottK: i have it in a PPA as well, if you need that at some point: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive
[02:15] <ScottK> I'll wait for my build.  My paranoia extends far enough not to install binaries from unsigned repos.
[02:17] <a|wen> don't feel that comfortable with it either; but as long as it is inside a VM i do dare ... but signed PPA's would really be good
[02:17] <ScottK> Yeah.  In a VM it should be fine.  I'm testing on real hardware here.
[02:22]  * JontheEchidna found a better picture of Dolphin
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> on the plus side, we were able to cut the list of known issues in half for final :]
[02:24] <ScottK> The build finishes ...
[02:24] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:24] <ScottK> You should also look at the Hardy release notes and see if there are issues that need to be updated/brought forward.
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> Pretty much the only one on that list that we care about is *Bug #1 - Microsoft has a majority market share
[02:26] <ScottK> The release note on multiple displays can be updated, but I think not dispensed with.
[02:27] <ScottK> As I undertstand it, xrandr only works on rectangular display areas, so both the primary and alternate monitor need to be on the same resolution.
[02:27] <ScottK> This can be problematic if you're going to try a to project a presentation and you don't have a lot of fiddling time in advance.
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> anyhow, /me is out for the night
[02:30] <|ScottK-laptop|> Looks like kvirc works.
[02:31] <|ScottK-laptop|> See you later.
[02:32] <a|wen> good :)
[02:33] <ScottK> a
[02:33] <ScottK> Urgh
[02:33] <ScottK> a|wen: Uploaded.
[02:34] <a|wen> ScottK: perfect
[03:08] <ScottK> It looks like the i386 buildd's are full pretty much to final freeze.  So unless someone comes up with something that doesn't touch i386, we're done uploading for Intrepid.
[03:12] <a|wen> sounds like that was the "just go to bed" call
[03:13] <a|wen> that's at least my plan ... see you all tomorrow
[03:14] <ScottK> Odd.  I existed konversation quite a while ago. ^^^ happened when I closed a konqueror window.
[03:14] <ScottK> existed/exited
[03:16] <a|wen> looks like the server isn't that picky about receiving from the client that often
[03:19] <glade88> ello.. after the latest update, I could not at all use 2.6.26.7 kernel-- the system starts, but I cannot launch any apps, and it takes forever.. Using the oldest 2.6.27.4 does work, but when I launch any app (say dolphin), there is an unneeded and unnecessary lag to launch the app for about 3-4 secs.. and also, while booting into 2.6.26.7, I get a keyboard icon at the systray, idk what's it for.. I didn't have that earlier/dont have it with
[03:19] <glade88> 26.4
[03:20]  * ScottK gently directs glade88 to #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1 .
[03:21] <glade88> okay thanks ScottK, I'll ask there..
[11:26] <davmor2> Riddell: Just trying out Kubuntu for those fixes now
[11:26] <Riddell> thanks davmor2
[11:26] <davmor2> Np's
[11:31] <apachelogger> xerosis: my machines have too much ram, so I wouldn't know :P but since I applied the patch, ktorrent was running for the last 6 days at 501 MiB
[11:32] <apachelogger> s/ktorrent/my server
[11:40] <davmor2> Riddell: Direct install still doesn't seem to be working
[11:43] <Riddell> wibble
[11:43] <davmor2> Riddell: trying oem now
[11:46] <davmor2> Riddell: the release notes link is half off the screen in oem mode
[11:46] <Riddell> davmor2: what version of ubiquity do you have ?
[11:47] <Riddell> cat /var/log/installer/version
[11:47] <davmor2> 1.10.7
[11:49] <Riddell> davmor2: old version, needs 1.10.8
[11:49] <Riddell> davmor2: are you using today's CDs?  I only made them an hour ago
[11:49] <davmor2> I'll re-update and try again
[11:49] <Riddell> thanks
[11:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you actually file a BR for bug 217654 @ fd.o?
[11:54] <JontheEchidna> never got around to it
[11:58]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye
[11:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plenty of time now :P
[11:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah, guess so
[12:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess we should target bugs with fix committed to KDE stable for intrepid-updates?
[12:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: guess so
[12:01] <apachelogger> that way we can search for them more easily and close them in the changelog entries
[12:09] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay big pause before the screen shows up but it's there in all its glory
[12:09] <davmor2> Riddell: direct install
[12:13] <Riddell> phew
[12:13] <davmor2> oem after I know this installs I think heno is testing it too
[12:24] <apachelogger> I just spent 15 minutes explaining myself in the most wasteful bug of all.
[12:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if the same magic bug gets opened again I will close it without further comment
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> ugh, he opened it again?
[12:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, I tried to explain why this whole beast is not belonging into malone and why we can't deal with it in malone and why he should use blueprints, but I doubt he will get my point
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> oh well
[12:26] <apachelogger> that said I need coffee, so I guess it isn't understandble anyway ;-)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> which one is this?
[12:27] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150333
[12:29] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  that already looks bad.
[12:29] <apachelogger> haha, the last line kicks ass :D
[12:29] <apachelogger> did I mention that the box when changing bug status is awfully small?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:33] <apachelogger> hm
[12:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMHO a "foward to upstream" button would be nice
[12:34] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay install notes text is viewable properly now in oem
[12:34] <Riddell> phew
[12:34] <davmor2> next the the re-start :)#
[12:35] <ScottK> Anyone looked at Bug #286858?
[12:35] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like we need to remove the source only of the old separate gwenview package.
[12:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug #289835
[12:39] <smarter> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1 omg
[12:43] <xerosis> apachelogger: it's still using 90%+ CPU for me :(
[12:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: IIRC 'forward upstream' button is planned.  My biggest concern is making sure only people who know enough when to press it have that button.
[12:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: should be only available to members of the bug control team
[12:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: At most.
[12:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any thoughts on the gwenview  EXIF bug ^^?
[12:48] <ScottK> If we're eating user's data, that's not really good.
[12:49] <apachelogger> I am quite sure it's one of the libs rather than gwenview
[12:49]  * apachelogger goes searching images with exif information
[12:49] <seele> uhm.. hmm.. the kwinrules are wrong
[12:51] <apachelogger> uh, my system is speaking german :D
[12:51]  * apachelogger finds it quite awful when CLI apps are localized though
[12:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63232/
[12:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: it clearly edits the image, but the exif tags aren't changed
[12:52] <Riddell> seele: how?
[12:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose++ for storing exif images in my pictures folder :D
[12:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for checking.  Would you please mark a nice WTF in the bug?
[12:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: huh?
[12:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: flickr photos for linuxtag? *g*
[12:53] <apachelogger> yus :D
[12:53] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:54] <seele> Riddell: it's not working the way it did when i first created the rules
[12:54] <seele> argh.. hold on.. wtf is going on
[12:55] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay \o/ \o/ \o/ Works.  Now don't touch a thing ;)
[12:55] <apachelogger> lol
[12:55]  * ScottK won't fixes Bug 289840 2 minutes after it's reported
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:56] <apachelogger> ScottK++
[12:56] <apachelogger> I like the "For me, as for many others - as far as i know - is it really bad not to have kde3.5 longer in the system." part
[12:56] <ScottK> I was nice.
[12:56] <seele> Riddell: they should all be set to Apply Now, not Apply Initially.. otherwise the windows always open to the rules size even after the user has resized it
[12:56] <seele> Riddell: Apply Now only sets it the first time and then removes the rule
[12:57] <ScottK> Ah.  That explains a lot.
[12:57] <Riddell> seele: how is that set?
[12:59] <seele> Riddell: Alt+F3 in any window > Configure Window Behavior > Window Specific Page > Modify > Geometry > s/Apply Initially/Apply Now
[13:01] <rgreening> we need a bot to auto-close KDE 3.5 in intrepid bugs :)
[13:01] <apachelogger> lol
[13:01] <rgreening> cause you know there are going to be lots of them coming...
[13:01] <rgreening> :P
[13:01]  * apachelogger finds http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14276/ quite stupid, you could loose your job once a year ... frightening scenario
[13:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you don't want to be frightened, don't read brainstorm.
[13:02] <apachelogger> rgreening: I am not so sure about that, "go back to 3.5 for jaunty" sounds more sensible
[13:02] <seele> apachelogger: aren't they hiring one more kde/kubuntu developer anyway?
[13:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: just read it because of the kubuntu-not-same-magic-as-ubuntu bug
[13:03] <ScottK> seele: That's for upstream work.
[13:03] <apachelogger> well, I think it's gonna be hard finding one with years of KDE AND Quick Time experience  :P
[13:03] <Riddell> ScottK: kwinrules is our doing
[13:04] <ScottK> So it's on purpose apps get started the same size no matter what I had it at last?
[13:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's not, we just use the wrong rule as seele explained
[13:04] <rgreening> apachelogger: for i in bugs.launchpad.net do; find KDE 3.5 | grep -i [Jaunty/Intrepid] | remove $i; done
[13:05] <seele> ScottK: same difference isnt it?  i'd assume the upstream work they would do would to benefit kubuntu/ubuntu in the end
[13:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: ^_^
[13:05] <seele> (Riddell is probably the best person to ask about that though ;P)
[13:05] <ScottK> seele: Yes, just not directly.
[13:06] <apachelogger> seele: even when someone gets employed to work on the kernel we indirectly benefit from it ;-)
[13:06]  * ScottK suddenly realizes he forgot coffee this morning and so if probably babbling senslessly.
[13:06] <jjesse_> how can you forgot coffee?  my brain stops functioning if i don't maintain the proper caffiene/blood ratios
[13:08] <ScottK> jjesse_: I'm highly distractable.  I made it and then came back to my desk for a moment while it was brewing.
[13:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: From my perspective as a consultant having a one year contract would be a nice piece of added stability and comfort.
[13:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: hm, yeah, probably depends on the POV
[13:13] <apachelogger> also 1 year = 2 cycles, I guess one could even do some greater projects within that time ;-)
[13:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should quickaccess really be able to ..
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you mean that wishlist?
[13:15] <apachelogger> yes
[13:15] <apachelogger> folderview doens't either, and I don't think it makes much sense
[13:15] <apachelogger> the point is to quick access some common stuff
[13:15] <apachelogger> not browse your FS
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, agreed
[13:18] <ScottK> Who is in charge of the Kubuntu Bug Triage Army?
[13:19] <ScottK> The gwenview source package has been killed off and so the open bugs need to be looked at and relevant ones moved to kdegraphics.
[13:19]  * apachelogger points at JontheEchidna
[13:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: LP should handle this more gracefully, reports for kopete also constantly go to the old sourcepackage
[13:20] <ScottK> Was the previous source package removed?
[13:21] <apachelogger> I think so
[13:21] <ScottK> rmadison claims it was
[13:21]  * ScottK just checked.
[13:21] <apachelogger> kopete only was independent from kdenetworks for a couple of months, so reporting against that package doesn't make any sense
[13:22] <ScottK> The separate source package still exists in dapper-backports.
[13:23] <apachelogger> ha! mario's core devship got mentioned in the weekly newsletter, mine did not.
[13:23] <ScottK> Maybe Riddell would copy his 3.5.5 packages into dapper-backports and kill it off.
[13:23] <apachelogger> no love for poor apachelogger :(
[13:26] <Riddell> probably he added it himself
[13:27] <apachelogger> that is what good news is all about I guess
[13:46] <Riddell> seele: trouble with apply now is that it had the nasty habit of removing maximise buttons
[13:46] <Riddell> for no obvious reason
[13:48] <mok0> ScottK: I'm here!
[13:49] <ScottK> mok0: Upgrading from the PPA versions should work as long as you have kubuntu-desktop installed.
[13:49] <ScottK> IIRC, seele has tested that.
[13:49] <mok0> ScottK: ... but I need to upgrade to ii first, right?
[13:50] <Riddell> it should work with only kubuntu-kde4-desktop installed
[13:50] <ScottK> mok0: ^^ That in hardy and then do your upgrade.
[13:51] <mok0> I have  kubuntu-kde4-desktop_0.14-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1
[13:51] <Riddell> we have ppa meta-packages?
[13:51] <Riddell> that seems like a bad idea
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: You'd need to have a version of it in the PPA, right?
[13:52] <seele> Riddell: hum.. so just remove the rules?
[13:53] <Riddell> ScottK: why?
[13:53] <seele> Riddell: all of those apps should be fixed upstream eventually anyway.. the rules were a stop gap so they didn't look stupid when opened for the first time (like ktorrent and system monitor)
[13:53] <ScottK> Because we have newer KDE in the PPA than in Hardy and so (I'm assuming) there will need to be differences in the package.
[13:54] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm guessing though, I've not actually looked at the PPA.
[13:54] <Riddell> mok0: what ppa is that from?
[13:54]  * ScottK apparently needs more coffee.  Back in a few.
[13:54] <Riddell> ah, nixternal changed it "Updated meta packages to include kde-window-manager and drop kwin-kde4 for the KDE 4.1 Beta 1 packages"
[13:55] <mok0> Riddell: hang on...
[13:55] <mok0>  http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu
[14:01] <ScottK> seele: That's what you tested upgrading from, right?  ^^
[14:04] <seele> ScottK: actually it failed because i didnt have kubuntu-kde4-desktop installed
[14:04] <ScottK> seele: So we need a test with it installed?
[14:05] <ScottK> mok0 should be a perfect guinea pig then.
[14:08] <seele> ScottK: yes
[14:09] <ScottK> mok0: So feel free to upgrade.  There's lots of talent here to laugh at your troubles <- <- <- <- <- <- <- <-  help you out.
[14:18]  * JontheEchidna afk for 30 mins
[14:19] <NCommander> morning Riddell
[14:24] <glade88> hi.. I set my openGL settings to "fallback" and as I pressed apply, I cant login the X (keeps restarting). how do I reset the graphics settings?
[14:25] <glade88> or maybe create a new user as useradd <uname> and passwd <uname> shows error: cannot enter home directory using / -- how do I set home directory?
[14:34]  * mok0 holds breath... upgrade in progress
[14:36] <hunger> mok0: Don't do that! Not breathing may be lethal.
[14:38] <mok0> hunger: I guess you are right... it requires 1 hour 47 minutes still
[14:38]  * mok0 takes a breath...
[14:38] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[14:39] <Riddell> glade88: #kubuntu or #kubuntu-kde4
[14:39] <Riddell> has anyone decided what to do with #kubuntu-kde4 this week?
[14:39] <glade88> Riddell: yes, doing that thanks..
[14:40] <jjesse> didn't know there was a #kubuntu-kde4
[14:42] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd say redirect it to #kubuntu after we release.
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe we could put kde3 support in #kubuntu-kde3?
[14:43] <jussi01> Riddell: yes, we have a plan
[14:44] <jussi01> Riddell: the plan is to forward it to #kubuntu
[14:45] <jussi01> Riddell: that has been the plan for a good while, actually since its inception.
[14:46] <jussi01> :)
[14:57]  * ScottK guesses Riddell will like kirkland's latest blog entry.
[14:57] <Riddell> mm?
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/09/hacker-hike-across-scotland.html
[15:00] <Riddell> ha ha "Edinburg"  why are americans unable to pronounce the last sound in Edinburgh?
[15:00] <Riddell> "the Heart of Lothorian"  sounds like something out of a Tolkien novel :)
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> I think that's one letter away from Lothlorian
[15:02] <apachelogger> I am wondering what that is
[15:02] <Riddell> the heart of midlothian?
[15:02] <apachelogger> lothlorian
[15:03] <Tm_T> lolthorian
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> lothorlian
[15:03] <Tm_T> LOLthorian !1
[15:03]  * Tm_T hides
[15:04] <apachelogger> hmmm
[15:04] <apachelogger> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027#feature
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do we even care about bug 22319 anymore?
[15:05] <apachelogger> hm
[15:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that bug doesn't belong to meta-kde
[15:05]  * apachelogger notes that we apparently ship a release candidate
[15:06] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sounds obsolete
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's what I thought
[15:07] <Riddell> alternate images are out!
[15:07] <apachelogger> just when I wanted to digg through google reader -.-
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> someobdy needs to change the topic to 3 days to go
[15:08] <apachelogger> ~topic replace 3 3 days to go!
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, anybody can change the topic?
[15:09] <Riddell> we're not elitest here
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:10] <apachelogger> I thought we just don't care :P
[15:10] <rgreening> heh
[15:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I find it funny how peter's breadcrum in dolphin looks b0rked ;-)
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:12] <rgreening> ~twitter status Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay
[15:12] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[15:12] <rgreening> doh
[15:12] <apachelogger> update
[15:12] <apachelogger> not status
[15:12] <rgreening> ~twitter status update Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay
[15:12] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[15:12] <rgreening> ~twitter update Added myself to planet ubuntu.. yay
[15:12] <kubotu> status updated
[15:12] <rgreening> got it..
[15:12] <rgreening> :)
[15:12] <Tm_T> aww
[15:13] <rgreening> so, anything for little old me to hack on today?
[15:14] <Riddell> rgreening: testing testing!
[15:15]  * rgreening wishes he had a second pc
[15:15] <rgreening> vm it is for me...
[15:16] <rgreening> hmmm... maybe I should go buy a new laptop...
[15:16] <rgreening> :P
[15:16]  * ScottK considering doing a dist-upgrade test on the kids computer while they are at school.
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> Now that more people are awake... how does this look? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu
[15:17] <rgreening> ScottK: I'd do that to my wifes, but I think she'd freak at the change (without prior warning) to KDE4 :)
[15:18]  * ScottK is not considering that one.
[15:18] <rgreening> :)
[15:19] <rgreening> anyone recommend a good python book or tutorial site?
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I still don't like that 8.10 pic
[15:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ooh great
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> needs moar oxygen color pallete
[15:20] <apachelogger> hm
[15:20] <apachelogger> nah
[15:20] <apachelogger> kuubntu color
[15:20] <apachelogger> anywho
[15:21] <apachelogger> I get photobucket weirdness
[15:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: talk nicely to a|wen, maybe he'll fix
[15:21] <apachelogger> a|wen: go fix the colors! :P
[15:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you can take out "Download the CD", this'll go on the website and we'll have the normal download page to use
[15:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: or point to /download
[15:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: which colors do you want? ... throw a pallette i can choose from at me :)
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> ok, but first /me needs hot dogs
[15:23] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: release candidate is mentioned a few times; and seems one of the pictures needs to be uploaded someplace else (phptobucket - bandwith exceeded, it says here) ... apart from that, starts looking nice
[15:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: #2E3436 - #555753 - #888A85 - #EEEEED | #00316E - #00458A - #0057AE - #6094CF - #A8DEE0
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> that would be my photobucket :(
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> i can haz hosting?
[15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess we could upload to kubuntu.org
[15:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You need air.  You want hot dogs.
[15:25] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact, Riddell, shouldn't we post that as a news on kubuntu.org anyway?
[15:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it will be
[15:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you have website access?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> not that I know of
[15:26] <apachelogger> ryanakca, nixternal: we need to do another marketing meeting soon
[15:26]  * a|wen goes inkscaping...
[15:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: voila
[15:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't know how to upload images though, but it can't be too hard
[15:27] <apachelogger> there is a special box for that when creating a story
[15:27] <apachelogger> just make sure to tick the "list" checkbox, so the attached files don't get listed at the bottom of the page
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I assume it should also not be pulished or promoted tot he front page?
[15:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: not yet!
[15:30] <apachelogger> hm, we could, then we would get the attention from news sites and not ubuntu :P
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:31]  * apachelogger => searching food
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> ok, so is there a way to make up the story now but not publish it?
[15:36] <\sh> JontheEchidna: drupal?
[15:36] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[15:36] <Riddell> untick the publish and show on front page boxes surely?
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> ok, just making sure
[15:37] <\sh> JontheEchidna: what riddell said
[15:37] <\sh> Riddell: for images, you need the image modul + at least (to make it nice) the image gallery module
[15:38] <\sh> Riddell: http://drupal.org/project/image
[15:38] <\sh> Riddell: and sometimes the image_assist module is nice too...http://drupal.org/project/img_assist
[15:42] <apachelogger> \sh: no need, we mostly just have one pic, attached via the builtin upload functionallity
[15:43] <\sh> apachelogger: yes, img_assist just makes them inside the post ,-)
[15:43] <\sh> apachelogger: I'm not uising it either, I'm using the functionality of my editor ;)
[15:43] <apachelogger> \sh: getting the module accepted by the sysadmins isn't worth the trouble ;-)
[15:45]  * Riddell reboots into testing mode
[15:46]  * DaSkreech plays Riddell's theme song
[15:48] <nixternal> apachelogger: I am only available Mon. - Fri. after 00:00 UTC
[15:48] <nixternal> or 00:00 UTC or later
[15:48] <apachelogger> that is 1:00 CET
[15:48]  * apachelogger shudders
[15:49] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- further suggestions, please
[15:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: make a shadow behind the kubuntu logo
[15:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: I find the background gradient weird TBH
[15:50] <apachelogger> *thinking*
[15:50] <a|wen> apachelogger: the background gradient is bothering me as well
[15:50] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ibexed ou now?
[15:51] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/counter/ try that combination
[15:51] <DaSkreech> out even
[15:51] <apachelogger> i.e. the current logo with that lightblue-to-almost-white background
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> Fixed width is really annoying
[15:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: oh ... i'll try to play with that combination
[15:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: +1
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/53
[16:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 286858 ... it indeed seems to break for him
[16:03]  * apachelogger doesn't have the knowledge to triage that though
[16:04] <DaSkreech> Can I rebuild the icon cache?
[16:04]  * ScottK neither.
[16:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe we should close and send him to upstream? or leave the bug open and send him to upsream?
[16:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd say leave it open and send him upstream.
[16:08] <ScottK> I'd also consider a release note for it since it eats data.
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> OM NOM NOM NOM
[16:09]  * DaSkreech nomnoms
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, we don't know for sure
[16:09] <DaSkreech> All of my icons are the Ubuntu logo
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: it could just as well be that a lib didn't upgrade for him
[16:10] <DaSkreech> well basically all icons indicating direction
[16:10] <apachelogger> or some weirdness with the EXIF the camera writes
[16:10] <apachelogger> could be all sorts of things AFAIK
[16:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: True, but better to warn than not, IMO.
[16:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: could also cause bad promotion ... "kubuntu is willingly releasing dangerous software"
[16:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's KDE4.  Duh.
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: right, according to distrowatch KDE 4.1 is a release candidate anyway ;-)
[16:15] <glade88> I had an error. if I set openGL to "fallback", X would crash. so which binary should I point to while reporting a bug?
[16:15] <glade88> openGL to "fallback" at system settings->desktop->advanced ^^^
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> which drivers are you using?
[16:17] <glade88> JontheEchidna: Xorg .. for onboard intel GPU
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> probably the intel drivers then
[16:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: I asked him to report at bko
[16:18] <ScottK> Great.
[16:18] <glade88> JontheEchidna: so this isnt much os a KDE bug but a driver glitch?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> probably, generally only the drivers can crash X
[16:19] <glade88> JontheEchidna: hm. okay .. thanks :)
[16:19] <jcastro> Any takers for Kubuntu openweek sessions?
[16:20] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:20] <jcastro> plenty of slots left!
[16:21] <apachelogger> who did I poke last time you asked?
[16:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna
[16:22] <rgreening> :)
[16:22]  * apachelogger pokes^2 JontheEchidna
[16:22]  * JontheEchidna didn't think of anything past "How to help Kubuntu"
[16:22] <rgreening> lol
[16:23] <apachelogger> hm
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> Well, we could do a new spin on it introducing the Kubuntu ninjas and giving a more extensive bug triaging talk
[16:23] <ScottK> a|wen: You may want to add http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503687 to your list.
[16:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what would we talk about?
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> uh, good questin
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> our batsecrets
[16:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: "Finally we have a release that upstream cares about"
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh my james tiberus kirk!
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: would anyone really care?
[16:24] <jcastro> JontheEchidna: tying it into QA is always good
[16:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: I don't get that one
[16:24] <jcastro> Nightrose: an amarok wolf brigade session would be welcome!
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> "Bug triaging the KDE/Kubuntu way"
[16:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: For a long time upstream interest in KDE3.5 bugs has been relatively low because they were focused on KDE4.
[16:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: true
[16:25] <ScottK> So now we have KDE4 as out main release and so they are a lot more interested in our bugs.
[16:25] <a|wen> ScottK: oh ... you haven't seen it in LP yet?
[16:26] <Nightrose> jcastro: unfortunately I am swamped right now as university started again and bf is taking up lots of time so I doubt I can prepare something worthy and I don't know who else could do it  :/
[16:26] <ScottK> a|wen: No.  Just saw the sarcasm in the Debian bug when they saw the revision number.
[16:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: markey or myri?
[16:26] <jcastro> Nightrose: dang, ok, maybe next time
[16:26] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... i'll keep a look at it
[16:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> Wednesday seems to be QA day
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: "Kubuntu - Reinventing QA" ;-)
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> or, how to do proper QA with only 4 triagers :P
[16:28] <apachelogger> QA is not just bug triage :P
[16:28] <apachelogger> but there must be something about it, considering we can do pretty decent bug triage with only 4 triagers
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> last time I checked there were about 3,000 open bug reports in malone regarding either kubuntu or kde
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu bugs tracks about 2,000 of the most relevant ones
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna feels sorry for the gnome/general ubuntu triagers
[16:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's the 4?
[16:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: JontheEchidna, Arby, crimsun and me are currently most active
[16:32] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: big shoulders?
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> jcastro: could I have the 18.00 UTC time slot for Wednesday?
[16:32] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- should the kubuntu logo be darker?
[16:33] <apachelogger> a|wen: use the offical kubuntu logo
[16:33] <apachelogger> it blends better with the background
[16:33] <jcastro> JontheEchidna: all the time-sensitive ones are scheduled, so feel free to edit the page and add what you want.
[16:33] <apachelogger> a|wen: I can send you a SVG if you want
[16:33] <jcastro> JontheEchidna: plenty of room so if you want to invade with tons of kubuntu topics I won't mind. :D
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Oh-kay!
[16:33] <apachelogger> considering I find it
[16:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: i found what was listed as the official one in the wiki ... but i suppose i shouldn
[16:33] <a|wen> 't believe in that
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: KDE Release Handling - Rapid package deployment using ruby ;-)
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you gonna do that one?
[16:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: no, we need a unified resource for that kind of stuff
[16:35] <rgreening> +1 for apachelogger doing ruby tut
[16:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am wondering if it was any interesting
[16:35] <apachelogger> hm, or a general ruby tut ;-)
[16:35] <rgreening> +++1
[16:35] <rgreening> call it ruby tuesday
[16:35] <rgreening> :)
[16:35] <a|wen> apachelogger: just give me a link to a svg when you find it
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> \o/ @ ruby tuesday
[16:36] <apachelogger> what should I be covering in that tut?
[16:37] <rgreening> very basic ruby scripting (must assume some former programming). focus on the syntax and best prectices
[16:37] <rgreening> and I'kl show up
[16:37] <rgreening> :P
[16:38] <rgreening> seeing as you taunt ruby in every conversation.. :P
[16:38] <rgreening> s/taunt/flaunt
[16:38] <rgreening> :)
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> <3 batpaste
[16:38]  * rgreening thinks pbuilder and pbuilder-hooks would be a worthy topic
[16:39] <rgreening> *points at apachelogger
[16:39] <ScottK> Titled "WTF is it on REVU if it won't even build"
[16:39] <ScottK> or maybe not.
[16:40] <apachelogger> lol
[16:41] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/countdown-banner-7.svg I can't find the logo only, so just remove the other stuff ;-)
[16:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Seriously a talk on "How can I help on the development release if I'm not running it yet" about tools would be seriously useful I think.
[16:41] <apachelogger> rgreening, JontheEchidna: maybe first a general ruby tut and then how we abuse ruby for KDE release deployment?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> sounds good to me, I'd attend both
[16:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: there so many things to talk about
[16:42] <ScottK> seb128 has his packaging army.  We have apachelogger's ruby scripts.
[16:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think that topic is better for the developerweek though
[16:43] <ScottK> Perhaps.  I can't keep track of the *weeks.
[16:43] <apachelogger> there are only 2 :P
[16:44] <Riddell> 3 if you could kubuntu tutorials days
[16:44] <ScottK> Right.  One too many for my old tired brain.
[16:44] <ScottK> OK.  Two too many.
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we have a countdown banner for today?
[16:46] <apachelogger> only that thing: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/counter/
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is today?
[16:46] <Riddell> that's the business
[16:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: is this some philosphical question?
[16:48] <rgreening> +1 apachelogger - re: ruby tut :)
[16:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I usually wake up and wonder why today is today and not yesterday or even tomorrow, but that was not motivation for this question ... what makes the banner _for today_ and not _any day_?
[16:48] <apachelogger> i.e. is something happening today?
[16:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ha ha Just saw your comment on the Obamabuntu thing
[16:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: will have to think about that
[16:49] <rgreening> :)
[16:51] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png <-- are we getting closer?
[16:51] <apachelogger> rgreening: btw, very basic ruby scripting doesn't assume former programming :P
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm about to blog is the motivation for today
[16:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, nice :)
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: I think that looks great
[16:51] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:51] <apachelogger> a lot better
[16:52] <apachelogger> there is still something with the ibex though
[16:52] <apachelogger> a|wen: please try the first color value I gave, it should differ enough from the botton while not differ too much from the rest
[16:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: you mean the dark grey for the ibex?
[16:53] <apachelogger> yes
[16:53]  * apachelogger needs to think a bit more while getting some fresh air
[16:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: relaod
[16:55] <Riddell> hmm, wiki died
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> hmm, how to handle bug 289930
[16:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: triage it :P
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> well, the user goes on to *not* report a crash
[16:59] <a|wen> apachelogger: maybe the logo should be a bit smaller http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png vs. http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen2.png ?
[17:00] <apachelogger> hm
[17:01] <apachelogger> a|wen: please upload the svg, gotta fiddle a bit
[17:01] <apachelogger> a|wen: smaller looks better btw
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: goes on?
[17:02] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png and http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.svg
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: he says that dolphin always loses his folders and deletes his email
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> and goes on about how users will resent it
[17:02] <apachelogger> *nod*
[17:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: he must report individual bugs for starts
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> but do we want multiple bugs from him? :/
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> seems pain-in-the-arse-ish
[17:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, but we can't close this right away either ;-)
[17:03] <apachelogger> take his reports apart one by one is easier
[17:05] <apachelogger> he must explain what he means by delete his emails ... how does he notice, what emails, where are they stored, what mail application is he using it, how does he fetch mails, is there some pattern for this to happen, when does it happen, is it reproducible....
[17:05]  * apachelogger can be a PITA as well :P
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[17:09] <DaSkreech> What's the plans for the more interactive Ubiquiy map?
[17:10] <DaSkreech> Marble? or just havin it zoom in on spots with lots of dots?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> python just got bindings for marble in 4.2 trunk, so maybe for jaunty we could have uberawesome marble integration?
[17:14] <apachelogger> needs some magic dependencywise
[17:15] <popey> Riddell: broken link on your blog post - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidIbex/Upgrade/Kubuntu should be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu I guess?
[17:16] <Riddell> ta popey
[17:16] <popey> np
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so are we gunna throw an intrepid ibex party like the haligaly hummawhatever party last year?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> that wallpaper rocked
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> er, earlier this year
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> last release
[17:18] <apachelogger> well, back then I had a radio station :P
[17:18] <popey> Riddell: will you be in "that" london for the release party?
[17:18] <DaSkreech> MixMasta apachelogger
[17:18] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png
[17:20]  * apachelogger doesn't even get invited to release parties -.-
[17:20] <apachelogger> ha!
[17:21] <apachelogger> now I know what looked so weird about the pic
[17:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: that shadow really gave some
[17:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: what did?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> so I guess we should send a news story to dot.kde.org this time around
[17:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: the shadow of the bottom thingy exceeds the natural border
[17:23] <apachelogger> so essentially the bottom part of the pic has an outline shadow while the top part does not
[17:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: yeah ... that was actually on purpose; but that might have worked better with darker colors
[17:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: no, looks weird eitherway, it is just unnatural ;-)
[17:24] <rgreening> any reason why konq mime type rss+xml doesn't list akregator?
[17:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: depends on the background around the image :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> well, if the background is black there is no point in having a shadow anyway ;-)
[17:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: haha ... i suppose you are in the process of changing it now?
[17:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: yus
[17:27] <apachelogger> node fiddeling
[17:36] <apachelogger> I think that didn't go very wel
[17:37] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll leave for some hours now ... but if you throw me the svg, i can look at it when i get back
[17:37] <apachelogger> okies
[17:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png
[17:41] <apachelogger> does the shadow at the top look stronger than the one at the bottom?
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> slightly
[17:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now?
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> looks good
[17:45]  * apachelogger thinks it is too weak at the top now :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think now I got it
[17:46]  * apachelogger hates different background colors for one object
[17:48] <Riddell> popey: no, I'll be busy doing release things from Edinburgh
[17:58] <davmor2> Riddell: what size should kubuntu be at?
[17:59] <Riddell> davmor2: desktop CDs are oversized if that's what you're talking about
[17:59] <davmor2> ah yeap
[17:59] <davmor2> damn
[17:59] <Riddell> dvds are building then new desktop cds can be done
[17:59] <Riddell> which might still be oversized depending on what the publisher picked up
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I'll assume that Direction buttons shuld not be Ubuntu logos ?
[18:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: direction buttons?
[18:00] <DaSkreech> back/forward before/after up/down
[18:00] <Riddell> mm, no
[18:00] <DaSkreech> They are all ubuntu logos in my install
[18:01] <DaSkreech> It just started to annoy me yesterday
[18:01] <smarter> Oo
[18:01] <Riddell> DaSkreech: screenshot?
[18:03] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.svg
[18:03] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: wrong icon set?
[18:04] <DaSkreech> paste.ubuntu should have file/image upload ;-(
[18:04] <smarter> http://pix.nofrag.com
[18:04] <apachelogger> hm
[18:04] <apachelogger> we should make paste.kubuntu.org using rails :P
[18:04] <apachelogger> <3 rails
[18:05] <apachelogger> anyone with amarok1 around?
[18:05] <DaSkreech> http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buntubuttonswh0.png
[18:06] <smarter> apachelogger: yup
[18:06] <apachelogger> smarter: can you please change the icon setting and tell me what it would write to amarokrc?
[18:07] <smarter> DaSkreech: that is definitely strange
[18:07] <smarter> apachelogger: 'k
[18:07] <DaSkreech> Anwhere there is a button tha indicates direction thats what it looks like
[18:07] <DaSkreech> the Enter URL button in konqueror is that
[18:07] <DaSkreech> sinceit's a little go button
[18:07] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that's buts
[18:08] <Riddell> nuts
[18:08] <DaSkreech> It's in every app too
[18:08] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: wrong icon set!
[18:08] <apachelogger> change to oxygen
[18:08] <DaSkreech> I knwo it should be blue! and Gearish...
[18:08] <DaSkreech> >_>
[18:08] <apachelogger> the one you use doesn't support the icon spec properly
[18:11] <DaSkreech> Whee :)
[18:11]  * jussi01 feels like griping... :(
[18:12] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:12] <DaSkreech> Unless it's on topic :)
[18:12] <jussi01> DaSkreech: hehe
[18:12] <jussi01> Just want kubuntu to have the bbc plugin also - really dont want to install totem...
[18:13] <smarter> apachelogger: by changing the icon setting you mean, unticking "use a personnalized icon theme"(or whatever it's called in en_US?)
[18:13] <DaSkreech> I seem to recall an explicit conversation (on konversation!) about dragonplayer supporting BBC
[18:13] <apachelogger> smarter: yus, but forget about it
[18:13] <apachelogger> a amarok dood already told me
[18:13] <smarter> doh
[18:14] <apachelogger> suggestions about bug 289704 ?
[18:14] <jussi01> DaSkreech: err, but does it? in the same way as the totem plugin?
[18:15]  * DaSkreech points at someone else. I have no clue. I podcast the BBC stuff I care about
[18:15] <smarter> apachelogger: blame gnome :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> well
[18:16] <apachelogger> I tend to blame 3rd party repos
[18:16] <apachelogger> that shouldn't be related to gnome at all
[18:16] <DaSkreech> Thanks apachelogger. Don't know why I forgot that my Icons were set in Badger and haven't been changed since. Damn Linux robustness
[18:16] <apachelogger> while he has set gnome as icon set for KDE, that wouldn't apply for Amarok unless the amarok-icon-theme is unticked
[18:17] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: lol, I am planing on removing that without asking users :P
[18:17] <DaSkreech> LInux Robustness? :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> all kdeglobals from < 4.0 will be eaten by almighty kconf_update to get rid of old icon set
[18:18] <apachelogger> Oxygen everywhere! \o/
[18:18]  * apachelogger thinks that is abuse of power 
[18:20] <DaSkreech> Well a natural consequence of large amounts of oxygen is lots of flames :)
[18:21] <apachelogger> very true
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 182521 sounds more like a support request, wouldn't you agree?
[18:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, I am going to convert to question
[18:23] <apachelogger> never did that :D
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> I've done it once I think
[18:25] <apachelogger> woah that is slow :P
[18:25] <apachelogger> but fancy
[18:30] <rgreening> ~twitter update Kubuntu ISO testing...
[18:30] <kubotu> status updated
[18:31] <jjesse> really?  we reallly need twitter status updates?
[18:31] <DaSkreech> Jaiku! :)
[18:32] <rgreening> :)
[18:32] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: ping :)
[18:35] <tyler_> hi
[18:36] <tyler_> I have a resizing problem with konsole in Kubuntu intrepid
[18:36] <tyler_> I'm using KDE 4.1.2 from intrepid repository
[18:37] <tyler_> konsole doesn't remember the size I give it and so on every start it appears almost maximized
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> tyler_: that's bug 279190
[18:38] <tyler_> perfect
[18:39] <tyler_> sorry I didn't check in launchpad before, didn't have the time to
[18:39] <tyler_> hope they'll fix it soon
[18:39] <tyler_> good bye
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> ugh, a patch
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> there was a proper upstream fix too
[18:42] <ScottK> How long until 4.1.3?
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> ...which was released after we patched around it
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: uh, early next month I think
[18:43] <ScottK> How early?  Next month is not far away.
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> tagged in 2 days
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> released the 5th
[18:43]  * rgreening can't wait to build 4.1.3
[18:44] <ScottK> No point in upoading the patch to -proposed too.
[18:44] <rgreening> let me know what I can do with 4.1.3 to get it ready when the time is here...
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> I'll target that konsole bug for intrepid-updates, and assign it to myself so that we don't forget to remove that patch
[18:45] <ScottK> It's probably be handy to start seeing what patches we can drop for 4.1.3.  When I'm doing a new upstream of a package with lots of patches, that seems to take the most time.
[18:47] <taupter_nb> A good patch to be included would be that taskbar grouping fix (taskbar doesn't group similar apps in kde4.1.*)
[18:47] <taupter_nb> Such patch is very useful to the composite-impaired users.
[18:47] <sebas> That's a far too large and complicated thing to include
[18:47] <sebas> Besides, 4.1.3 is a bugfix release, no new features
[18:48] <ScottK> The goal now is dropping patches, not adding htem.
[18:49]  * sebas just wanted to prevent people from backporting unfinished code
[18:49] <taupter_nb> Is it only my impression or Adept got worse? I cannot make sense of all those context-tags, and I can't disable them.
[18:50] <taupter_nb> (the UI doesn't react when I try to)
[18:50] <taupter_nb> The kpackage package is broken here,
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> the tags were there in adept2 as well
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> I never use them thogh
[18:51] <taupter_nb> JontheEchidna: They just pop, and just as I try to not use them, they seem to procreate faster. :D
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> that's because as you search for stuff some tags wouldn't have any results, so they are removed from the list of available ones
[18:52] <taupter_nb> There's a bug when sorting of the results, too.
[18:54] <taupter_nb> As much as I want it, I cannot make it organize packages alfabetically, they group from a to z, then a to z again, then again... Pretty anoying.
[18:57] <taupter_nb> But overall I'm really impressed with how good Kubuntu 8.10 is becoming. 8-O
[19:00] <jjesse> i would just like to say 8.10 is rocking on my dell mini you guys are awesome
[19:02] <ArkoldThos> :)
[19:25] <jordoex> my one problem with 8.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/290007
[19:31]  * ScottK quits reading brainstorm before the depression gets too bad.
[19:32]  * rgreening renames brainstorm to brainfart
[19:33] <apachelogger> brainfart \o/
[19:33] <DaSkreech> a flap of a butterfly's wing causes a storm
[19:34]  * rgreening bows.... *ty. I'll be here all night*
[19:34]  * rgreening patiently waiting for desktop iso's to appear...
[19:35] <DaSkreech> or the combined focused farts of input from AC on the web
[19:35] <rgreening> lol
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:40] <jjesse> i thought we were going to hire a developr for kubuntu badsed on donations?
[19:40]  * jjesse ducks
[19:41] <apachelogger> donations \o/
[19:42] <apachelogger> bounty work seems like an option as well
[19:42] <jjesse> hey i read it on brainstorm so it has to be true
[19:42] <Riddell> DVDs are up for testing!
[19:42]  * rgreening queues the spaghetti western music for the bounty hunter entrance
[19:42] <rgreening> cool.
[19:43]  * apachelogger notes that downloading a DVD would take fairly long, so he makes his server busy with the DVD, the workstation with the alternate CD and takes his laptop to bed :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> bed \o/
[19:45] <Riddell> hmm, wait, the DVDs aren't up yet
[19:45] <jjesse> intersting when i do a fresh install of intrepid beta vmware tells me the version is 7.10 or lower
[19:45]  * apachelogger is wondering what to do with the free bandwith
[19:47]  * rgreening wonders when we start making Blu-Ray images
[19:48] <rgreening> haha
[19:48] <apachelogger> not for a couple of decades
[19:48] <rgreening> lol
[19:48] <apachelogger> well, I think most other distros do deployment with DVDs nowadays
[19:49] <apachelogger> seems more sensible anyway, then I wouldn't have to blame OOo for our space problems all the time ;-)
[19:51] <rgreening> heh. We need to get bdiff for our packages.
[19:51]  * rgreening wonders how hard that would be to integrate
[19:52] <rgreening> I remember using it with Gentoo
[19:52] <rgreening> saved a lot of download time
[19:53] <rgreening> Riddell: so, you lose the DVD's? :)
[19:53] <ryanakca> rgreening: bdiff?
[19:53] <rgreening> binary diff
[19:53] <apachelogger> no
[19:54] <apachelogger> dpkg should implement file based versioning
[19:54] <apachelogger> like conary does
[19:54] <ryanakca> ah...
[19:54] <apachelogger> everything else is pimping the hooks
[19:55]  * rgreening thinks "at least its not pimping for hookers
[19:56] <apachelogger> comes down to the same anyway
[19:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: facts about apachelogger
[19:56] <kubotu> [5/12] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/12] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers
[19:56] <rgreening> lol
[19:56] <rgreening> true
[19:57] <Riddell> ScottK: installing firefox does install libbonoboui2-0, not sure why though since I can then remove it without problem
[19:57]  * rgreening needs a faster lappy.... running only one vm install at a time.. what a waste of time...
[19:57] <Riddell> recommends of something presumably
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> ~facts about sand
[19:58] <kubotu> [2/12] rgreening buries head in sand
[19:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: get yourself a serva
[19:59] <apachelogger> with the all fancy Sun xVM stuff
[19:59] <apachelogger> then run mutliple instances of Kubuntu, that would certainly be most helpful with bug triage
[19:59] <apachelogger> and backporting and CD testing
[20:02] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen-knome.svg knome also put some love into it
[20:03] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'm thinking about it....
[20:03] <rgreening> apachelogger: though I love my portability with lappy...
[20:05] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-810-ibex.png http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen.png
[20:05] <apachelogger> I think we made a bit of progress today ;-)
[20:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, you can keep the laptop
[20:05] <apachelogger> but hook it up to a fancy network with fancy virtual servers
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should I hotlink to kollide for the kubuntu.org story?
[20:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nah, attach to the story
[20:06] <apachelogger> I am not sure if we shouldn't make it smaller though
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/53
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> if it was shorter it would look like the "intel inside" stickers
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> y'know, the pentium logos
[20:13] <a|wen> hi again :)
[20:14] <a|wen> apachelogger: is http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-810-ibex-oxygen-knome.svg the most uptodate file we have?
[20:15]  * DaSkreech snots at knome
[20:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: it looks really great :)
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> we need an updated adept picture before the 30th
[20:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: yes, mos recent file that is
[20:19] <apachelogger> *most
[20:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: i think we can be satisfied with it
[20:21] <apachelogger> +1
[20:29] <a|wen> ScottK: regarding http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503687 ... i think it is because he has got kde 3.5.9 mixed in with 3.5.10; it has worked fine for me
[20:30] <rgreening> kicker hiding was always buggy
[20:30] <rgreening> upstream?
[20:31] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  And he did an 'upgrade' from Kubuntu to Debian so it's an unsupported use case anyway.
[20:32] <a|wen> ScottK: "downgrading not supported" :)
[20:32] <ScottK> So if he shows up on Launchpad you can invalid the bug straight out.
[20:35] <a|wen> i'll keep an eye open
[20:43] <Arby> does bug 259030 sound like something that could be caused by the display rules file that was being discussed earlier today?
[21:00] <Arby> what's the right action if a bug is reported fixed upstream but the fix is only available in trunk?
[21:00] <Arby> do we have to wait until the fix reaches kubuntu to close the bug?
[21:01] <Arby> would it work to mark the upstream task as fix committed, to make it easier to find later?
[21:02] <a|wen> Arby: depends on how critical the bug is ... normally yes; unless the changes are added directly as a patch to the current package
[21:02] <Arby> a|wen: yes to which part? bug 286596 btw
[21:03] <DaSkreech> Anyone have Ubuntu Ibex ?
[21:04] <a|wen> Arby: the bug is kept open until it is fixed in kubuntu ... either by the upstream version reaching us; or by patching
[21:04] <Arby> ok thanks, that's what I wanted to know.
[21:04] <a|wen> DaSkreech: as in not kubuntu?
[21:04] <apachelogger> Arby: poke upstream to consider backporting
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Can you open nautilus and right click on a directory look in properties and tell me if there is an Open With option?
[21:04] <DaSkreech>  a|wen: yes
[21:05] <a|wen> DaSkreech: then no
[21:05] <apachelogger> Arby: as a matter of fact it might be backbported but the KDE bug wasn't CCed so you might want to check websvn before
[21:05] <Arby> apachelogger: are they usually receptive to that? I don't feel like being shot
[21:05]  * Arby looks at websvn
[21:07]  * a|wen considers DaSkreech question to be a bit off-target in this particular channel
[21:07] <apachelogger> Arby: if a backport makes sense...
[21:07] <DaSkreech> It is :)
[21:07] <apachelogger> Arby: you could also be extra nice and dump them a patch for branches/KDE/4.1 ;-)
[21:08] <Arby> that might not be a bad idea :)
[21:10] <Arby> apachelogger: does that look like the right thing to you http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=873560 ?
[21:10] <rgreening> Anyone else have issues with suspend to ram with wired and resume without wired causing networkmanager having to restart to work? possible necessary module unload/reload required pre/post resume.. thoughts?
[21:10] <Arby> it does to me
[21:10] <apachelogger> Arby: seems so
[21:10] <apachelogger> mark the launchpad bug as fix commited and set the milestone to intrepid-updates
[21:10] <apachelogger> we will pull it in with 4.1.3
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:11] <Arby> when are we doing 4.1.3 btw. I thought it was due soon
[21:11] <Arby> end of this week it seems
[21:12]  * Arby remembers to read the schedule :)
[21:23] <Riddell> DVDs are up!
[21:23] <rgreening> for real this time :P
[21:23] <rgreening> hehe
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Great
[21:34] <DaSkreech> reain
[21:34] <DaSkreech> might as well not have sound
[22:14] <Arby> what dbg packages do I need to fill in the gaps on bug 288943?
[22:14] <Arby> already got kdepim-dbg
[22:20] <rgreening> Riddell: so I been looking for the DVD's.. can you confirm the dir?
[22:26] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20081027.1/
[22:28] <Riddell> rgreening:
[22:29] <Arby> is there any point in forwarding kde3.5.10 bugs upstream?
[22:29] <Arby> i.e. is there any intent to do a 3.5.11 at any point.
[22:35] <rgreening> ok. ty.
[22:45] <a|wen> Arby: the last i heard was that it was neither decided nor discarded
[22:46] <Arby> a|wen: thanks, I'll file it then. If it gets closed it gets closed
[22:54] <a|wen> Arby: if it is regressions from 3.5.9 or more serious please consider adding the kde3.5.10 tag ... i keep an eye on that list
[22:55] <Arby> a|wen: could you have a look and see if bug 288145 seems the same as kde bug 170669 to you?
[22:55] <Arby> a|wen: it's (another) kontact crash
[22:56] <ScottK> a|wen - "King of Kontact Crashes"
[22:56] <a|wen> Arby: it looks like bug 288145 is the same as bug 286905
[22:57]  * Arby looks
[22:58] <Arby> I'll mark 288145 as a dupe then
[22:59] <a|wen> Arby: thay changed some of the internal calendar drawing/logic to be event based for improved performancei've , tried figuring out wth goes wrong ... but the event based nature makes debugging very annoying as all the traces isn't really related to the real problem
[22:59] <a|wen> s/thay/they/
[23:00] <Arby> that sounds .... inconvenient
[23:00] <Arby> traces not related to the problem that is
[23:01] <taupter_nb> O hai. libplasma-dev is uninstalable
[23:02] <Riddell> desktop CDs are up!
[23:02] <taupter_nb> Riddell: Are these final?
[23:02] <Riddell> they are candidates
[23:02] <Riddell> they need testing
[23:03] <taupter_nb> Riddell: Oh. Daily builds.
[23:04] <taupter_nb> Riddell: Hey, libplasma-dev is uninstalable. libplasma2 exists but libplasma2-dev doesn't. Is it of concern? :)
[23:05] <Riddell> libplasma-dev installs here
[23:06] <echidnaman> installs fine here too
[23:06] <taupter_nb> Riddell: I upgraded a hardy amd64, it doesn't install here. Maybe I should try a clean install?
[23:06] <Riddell> maybe you should see why it doesn't install
[23:06] <taupter_nb> Riddell: It complains about a kdelibs5 >=4.1.2 dependency.
[23:07] <taupter_nb> kdelibs5-dev
[23:10] <taupter_nb> Oh a mix of old packages here. Didn't upgrade cleanly. :)
[23:30] <KDesk> Hi, has Kubunut 8.10 backports from KDE 4.2 to 4.1?
[23:30] <ScottK> No.
[23:31] <ScottK> It will after 4.2.0 is released.
[23:36] <ScottK-laptop> Help.
[23:37] <ScottK-laptop> I lost the desktop effect where if I put the cursor in the corner it shows me all the open windows.
[23:37] <ScottK-laptop> How do I get that back?
[23:38] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: That's the present windows effect
[23:38] <ScottK-laptop> Then why did it stop working?
[23:38] <ScottK-laptop> I must have turned something off.
[23:39] <KDesk> ScottK: I mean if the packages in kubuntu have backported bugs or futures that will have kde 4.2. Like opensuse does with kde.
[23:39] <jtechidna> KDesk: we backported tooltips for the taskmanager
[23:39] <ScottK-laptop> We backported a few features, but that's done.
[23:40] <KDesk> jtechidna: Ah, the tooltips are back! :-)
[23:40] <ScottK-laptop> I'm testing upgrades by having my not very technical 14 year old daughter upgrade their computer.
[23:44] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: We'll continue to update Intrepid with 4.1.x releases as they come with separate backports of 4.2.x for the adeventurous in intrepid-backports.
[23:45] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop:  That sounds good :-)
[23:45] <ScottK-laptop> echidnaman: So how do I get my effects back?
[23:46] <echidnaman> uh
[23:46] <rgreening> fav/sys-settings/desktop/all effects/present windows
[23:47] <echidnaman> maybe toggle the Enable desktop effects button and hit apply and see if that works?
[23:47] <rgreening> tick it and check th eoptions (the wrench) to see the activation key
[23:50] <ScottK-laptop> Gurr.  I'd unchecked effects somehow.
[23:50] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening and echidnaman: Thanks.
[23:51] <rgreening> np
[23:51] <rgreening> work?
[23:51] <rgreening> oh.. I see
[23:51] <rgreening> lol
[23:51] <rgreening> "no effects for you.. come back 1 year"
[23:52] <ScottK-laptop> Upgrade is going really slowly.  145kB/s.
[23:52] <ScottK-laptop> This is on wired.
[23:52] <ScottK-laptop> I suspect the data center is starting to get hammered for the release.
[23:53] <ScottK-laptop> I did one of these on release day for Gutsy that took 12 hours just to download the updates.
[23:53] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Did you do the upgrade instructions?
[23:53] <ScottK-laptop> Whoever did them did a good job.
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> nope
[23:54] <ScottK-laptop> My daughter got the upgrade kicked off.
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I think Riddell did 'em
[23:54] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, intrepid hasn't offically released yet, have they?
[23:54] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: No.  It's still RC.
[23:54] <NCommander> for another day
[23:54] <ScottK-laptop> Uhh.  Three.
[23:54] <ScottK-laptop> Release is on Thursday.
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> 2 after midnight
[23:55] <ScottK-laptop> Well exactly when on Thursday is always a matter of speculation.
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[23:55] <NCommander> Release schedule says the 30th
[23:55] <NCommander> Did it get pushed back a day?
[23:55] <ScottK-laptop> It was always Thursday
[23:56] <NCommander> What if Thursday was in November? (just as a question)
[23:56] <ScottK-laptop> They'd have picked a different week.
[23:56] <NCommander> I see
[23:56] <NCommander> so why Thusday?
[23:56] <ScottK-laptop> Note the Feisty is already past support.  We're releasing later in the month than we did then.
[23:56] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.
[23:57] <ScottK-laptop> My guess is to give most of a work week to get CD images right, but have a little wiggle room on the week if there's a disaster.
[23:57] <NCommander> i.e., langpacks
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> then slangsek goes into hyper-no-sleep-coffee mode
[23:58] <ScottK-laptop> That was merely sporting.  Not a disaster.
[23:58] <NCommander> I guess thats why he's so high strung towards release week
[23:59] <ScottK-laptop> Even with all the last minute Universe stuff I allowed to be shoved in we missed the original deadline by less than an hour.