[00:00] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116555
[00:00] <DanaG> nvidia has very firmly placed themselves on my "never buy" list.
[00:02] <pen> DanaG: so you use Ati?
[00:02] <TheInfinity> DanaG: and what would you like to buy? ati? intel? and if its a laptop you justdont get without nvidia? ;)
[00:02] <DanaG> Well, my GOOD laptop has an nvidia 7600, which can use the working 177 drivers.... but the LCD in it has died, and I have no external monitor to use.
[00:02] <DanaG> So, I'm temporarily stuck with an old NV17-based laptop.... which has no video drivers.
[00:03] <pen> DanaG: how does it died?
[00:03]  * djdarkman goes to make a coffe as hard as h3ll
[00:03] <DanaG> Started getting more and more lines down the screen (at one point, the banded area was like 100 pixels wide), and then it finally ceased to show anything.
[00:04] <DanaG> One of the flex-ribbons in the thing must've failed -- the one that goes from the LCD's controller board to the panel (as in, the array of liquid crystals and transistors) itself.
[00:04] <DanaG> For my next laptop, I'm going ATI.  At least there's some hope there, and at least they attempt to support open-source.
[00:04] <TheInfinity> DanaG: you know that ATI does not support radeon 9200 and less? ;)
[00:04] <DanaG> 9200 and lower are open-source, though.
[00:05] <TheInfinity> yea,  but not good quality
[00:05] <DanaG> As well as everything up through HD2-series now.
[00:05] <DanaG> I'd take "not good" over "utterly shit", as nv is.
[00:05] <Daekdroom> lol
[00:05] <DanaG> Excuse the profanity, but when I can't even watch a video without it breaking the colors by inverting two of the three color channels... that sucks.
[00:06] <DanaG> And the drivers have been broken for various reasons (starting with Fedora 9 users) for like 4 or 5 months.
[00:06] <Daekdroom> ati driver finally supports my X200 on ubuntu 8.10
[00:06] <DanaG> I'm coming up on the 6th week of a 10-weeks-plus-finals-week quarter, and once the quarter ends, I shall get myself a new laptop.
[00:07] <pen> hm
[00:07] <DanaG> I'm going to be amused (in a "look at how horrible that is" way) if nvidia hasn't fixed those drivers by then.
[00:07] <Daekdroom> Like one month and 10 days left, then.
[00:07] <Daekdroom> Which is way too short to fix something like crappy drivers
[00:08] <Daekdroom> Depending on how "fix" means in that case.
[00:08] <DanaG> Well, I define "fix" as "fix the ABI version disagreement".
[00:09] <Daekdroom> Looks easy to fix when said like that.
[00:10] <DanaG> Isn't that something that would just take a simple recompile?
[00:10] <Daekdroom> I thought of something like a little typo in the code.. But, heh. Isn't there any PPA repo for the driver?
[00:11] <DanaG> No new driver exists -- even non-packaged beta.
[00:11] <DanaG> s/even/not even/
[00:11] <crdlb> DanaG: you mean the xserver 1.5 change?
[00:12] <chris1> Any had any luck getting pptp vpn working in 8.10 ?
[00:12] <DanaG> crdlb: yup.
[00:12] <crdlb> it was more than just an ABI change
[00:13] <DanaG> Aah.
[00:15] <djhash> hey.. is there a Screen and Graphics panel in ibex?
[00:15] <chris1> djhash: like a screen resolution app ?
[00:17] <djhash> chris1: no.. the app, where it shows you the screens you have, and you can choose what model/make monitors, and what graphic drivers to use..
[00:17] <chris1> djhash:  ahh not sure, with nvidia you have that, but not sure about the base osd
[00:19] <Randomskk> hey everyone, I'm installing kubuntu 8.10 RC via the alt disk, setup partitioning manually with encrypted lvm, when it gets to "configuring apt sources" it then asks me to insert media ("please insert disk labeled: kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_...")
[00:19] <Randomskk> the disk is already in and it's been installing from it up to that point
[00:19] <djhash> chris1: oh.. cause one would load up in 8.04 when you have improper xorg configured... but when I upgraded to 8.10.. i get useless dialogs that basically tries to do everything automagically.. and fails miserably..
[00:19] <Randomskk> selecting cancel causes continue to be selected and pressing enter on continue does nothing (no disk activity)
[00:19] <Randomskk> pressing eject on the drive doesn't release the disk either
[00:19] <chris1> djhash:  i know the screens you speak of, what graphics card do you have ?
[00:20] <djhash> intel 830MG
[00:21] <Randomskk> most of what I can find on google is people getting that message post-install when trying to apt-get something and it asks for the disk because it's in the sources list
[00:21] <Randomskk> but I can't get to any kind of command line as far as I can tell
[00:21] <Volkodav> how do you get OOo-3 to the menus? It is not showing up and is somewhere in /opt ?
[00:21] <chris1> djhash: may want to drop into your xorg.conf file and replace the graphics driver with vesa so you can at least get into your x system to fix it with the correct drivers,  let me see which driver your card needs (it should be one already provided being intel)
[00:22] <Randomskk> I've no idea where to go from here, does anyone have any suggestions?
[00:25] <legend2440> Randomskk: is intrepid installed?
[00:26] <Randomskk> legend2440: no
[00:26] <Randomskk> this is still on the alt install disk
[00:26] <djhash> chirs1: my problem is that the screen shows absolutely nothing.. just a cursor that does nothing, then all of a sudden the screen either shutsdown, or gives me the dying colors effect.. when I connect an external monitor, i can see and use ubuntu properly.. I first though maybe resolution issue, but even with the lowest resolution (640x480) it doesnt fix it. xrandr: shows me a list of resolutions on LVDS and VGA, and they are all
[00:26] <djhash> right.. except in LVDS, it shows 0mmx0mm while the VGA is 3xxmm x 3xxmm something like that..
[00:26] <lucax> ammm, im trying intrepid, and couldnt get direct rendering in two sessions at the same time, im using an intel gma... is it possible?
[00:26] <Randomskk> the hard drive is freshly formatted so nothing is installed
[00:28] <legend2440> Randomskk: oh ok not sure then unless it was a bad burn and the cd is defective
[00:29] <b3nw> how do you restart pulseaudio outside of a full system reboot?
[00:29] <lucax> no idea where i can find some help on enabling direct rendering for two users on intel gma?
[00:29] <djhash> chris1: also.. i've simply copied the xorg.conf from 8.04 to 8.10 and it simply just wont work. and it was set to vesa.. anyways.. dont waste your time.. i'm reinstalling 8.04.. i'll wait for liveCD.. (hopefully it'll work, even though 8.04 liveCD didnt load, and i have to use alternateCD..)
[00:33] <Daekdroom> djhash: There won't be many stability improvements till final.
[00:35] <djhash> Daekdroom: yeah.. i thought so.. the thing is I think its because ubuntu 8.10 dropping legacy driver support..
[00:35] <djhash> Daekdroom: although it clearly states that 830+ should work fine and I have 830MG..
[00:36] <RAOF> b3nw: Run "pulseaudio --kill" to kill the current daemon, then "pulseaudio".
[00:40] <Thedjatclubrock> Will Ibex have OO.o 3?
[00:41] <RAOF> No
[00:41] <RAOF> Barring backports.
[00:41] <maxb_> Hmm... intrepid gnome-keyring-daemon appears to be ignoring the gconf setting telling it not to be a ssh-agent, and doing it anyway :-/
[00:41] <Thedjatclubrock> No?
[00:42] <RAOF> Thedjatclubrock: No; OOo 3 will not be in teh final release, since it's not in there now.
[00:42] <Volkodav> does skype support video for conferencing?
[00:42] <Thedjatclubrock> RAOF: Why?
[00:43] <remi> I've upgraded to Intrepid Ibex from Hardy Heron and I've heard about the new ~/.Private folder, but how do I use this feature after the upgrade (do I have to manually create the folder?)
[00:44] <RAOF> remi: The release notes describe the process of creating such a folder; I forget the details right now, but it's something like running the "private-folder-user-setup" command or somesuch :)
[00:45] <nkei0> hello all
[00:45] <legend2440> remi: http://dustinkirkland.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/encrypted-private-directories-in-ubuntu-intrepid/
[00:45] <RAOF> Thedjatclubrock: Because it wasn't released early enough to get in, basically.
[00:45] <Daekdroom> Damn OO devels :(
[00:45] <Thedjatclubrock> Aww
[00:46] <Thedjatclubrock> RAOF: Will it be an update?
[00:46] <remi> legend2440 RAOF: thank you both, I've also found it on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Encrypted%20private%20directory
[00:46] <RAOF> Thedjatclubrock: Not in main, no.  It'll probably be in the backports repository pretty quickly, though.
[00:48] <Volkodav> there is only audio for conference and no video
[00:48] <Thedjatclubrock> If prefs->screen res doesn't let me choose, where do I go?
[00:51] <Randomskk> I've just checked the CD here and it's named "Kubuntu 8.10 amd64" while the installer asks for "Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ Release Candidate amd64 (20081022)"
[00:51] <Randomskk> not sure if that's why it's not happy or what, but I don't know what I can do about it
[00:52] <b3nw> RAOF: pulseaudio -kill = W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[00:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for the encrypted thing... how does it deal with password changes?
[00:56] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: it shouldn't matter...
[00:57] <Randomskk> any ideas on what I could do to figure out the problem or skip around it? I can't seem to give it any input at all - I get cancel or continue and hitting cancel just loads the same screen with continue selected
[00:57] <Randomskk> hitting continue does absolutely nothing
[00:57] <RAOF> b3nw: That's not an error.
[00:58] <RAOF> b3nw: I'm not sure what that warning's doing, but it's just that; a harmless warning.
[00:58] <Randomskk> just md5sum'd the disk, it's valid
[00:58] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: uh oh.  That doesn't sound good.
[00:59] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: (can you file a bug about that please, and give me the number?)
[00:59] <Randomskk> sure
[01:00] <Randomskk> I just found this IRC log http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/08/%23ubuntu+1.txt where cup0spam has the same problem and apparently solves it by swapping out the optical drive
[01:00] <nkei0> Anyone want to walk me through deleting a partition and bringing it in on my current partition?  I'm a newbie and the other partition has a bad install of 8.10 on it too.
[01:01] <Randomskk> but I've not got any spare optical drives...
[01:01] <Hobbsee> swapping out the optical drives...now there's an interesting thing...
[01:01] <Randomskk> I can't see why it'd work up to that point and not beyond though
[01:02] <Randomskk> it loads and unpacks everything else fine from the disk, it's only when it gets to "configuring apt sources" that it messes up
[01:02] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: neither.  Based on the fact that two people have now hit it, i'd say that's a bug.
[01:02] <Randomskk> I wonder if it's looking in /cdrom when my drive is for some reason mounted elsewhere
[01:02] <Hobbsee> possible
[01:02] <Randomskk> and swapping for another drive which does mount in /cdrom could potentially fix that
[01:02] <mini-man> Sound broken, chose to keep my alsa conf in the upgrade process, apparently a bad idea. Ideas?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: indeed.  Add that to the bug too :)
[01:03] <Randomskk> it does say it's looking for /cdrom
[01:03] <nkei0> nevermind, hah i figured it out
[01:03] <Randomskk> I'm gonna test it quickly using a guided install, whole disk, really standard since cup0spam had a software raid setup and I'm using encrypted lvm, in both cases I'm guessing we're doing manual partitioning
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Randomskk: give it a sec...it's being sent to other channels
[01:04] <Hobbsee> this feels like irc-tag.
[01:06] <kirkland> ScottK sent me here to help someone with an alternate cd installer issue?
[01:06] <Randomskk> hi
[01:06] <kirkland> Randomskk: you, perhaps?
[01:06] <Randomskk> yea :p
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Randomskk, meet kirkland.
[01:07] <Randomskk> I get to "configuring apt sources" and it asks me to insert the disk labeled "Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ Release Candidate amd64 (20081022)" in the drive '/cdrom/'
[01:07] <kirkland> Randomskk: so i've never installed Kubuntu from the alternate cd, but i've installed encrypted lvm and worked on the server/alternate installer a fair amount
[01:07] <Randomskk> if I hit Continue nothing happens at all (drive doesn't spin up), if I hit Go Back it just selects Continue
[01:08] <kirkland> Randomskk: hit ctlr-alt-F4
[01:08] <Randomskk> apparently cup0spam had the same issue http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/08/%23ubuntu+1.txt with normal ubuntu
[01:08] <kirkland> you might see some error messages there
[01:08] <Randomskk> ah
[01:08] <Randomskk> "the following NEW packages will be installed: installation-report"
[01:09] <kirkland> Randomskk: and, fyi, you can get to a command prompt with ctrl-alt-f2
[01:09] <kirkland> Randomskk: back to the installer screen with ctrl-alt-f1
[01:09] <Randomskk> "use of uninitialized value $x in scalar assignment at /usr/share/perl/5.10/utf8_heavy.pl line 242, <GEN0> line 1"
[01:09] <ArkoldThos> anyone know why scim-gtk got installed via automatic updates?
[01:10] <Randomskk> use of uninitialized value $x in pattern match (m//) at ...heavy.pl line 243
[01:10] <Randomskk> ..value in split at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 68
[01:10] <Randomskk> last one repeats
[01:10] <kirkland> Randomskk: hmm, those might be warnings
[01:10] <kirkland> Randomskk: shift-pageup will scroll up the screen
[01:11] <Randomskk> in console I can cd /cdrom and see the disk and all the files are there
[01:11] <Randomskk> shift-pgup doesn't seem to work
[01:11] <kirkland> Randomskk: any chance you ran the cd integrity check?  (long chance posibility your burn was bad)
[01:12] <Randomskk> I've md5sum'd it on my laptop and it's fine
[01:12] <kirkland> hm, okay
[01:12] <DigitalFiz> is there a way to connect to radmin in ubuntu?
[01:12] <Randomskk> cup0spam apparently solved it by swapping out his optical drive on that log I pasted a link to
[01:12] <Randomskk> I've not got an optical drive handy to test with though
[01:13] <kirkland> Randomskk: ?
[01:13] <kirkland> oh, that irc log
[01:14] <mini-man> anyone? :( speaker-test doesn't show any errors...my volume is maximum...
[01:14] <kirkland> Randomskk: when you did the installation, what did you select?
[01:14] <kirkland> Randomskk: to choose Kubuntu
[01:15] <Randomskk> as in what of the initial options?
[01:15] <Randomskk> just the first one, "install kubuntu" iirc
[01:15] <kirkland> Randomskk: so it sounds like your installation options are requiring a package that's not on the alternate-cd itself
[01:15] <Randomskk> I originally was using encrypted lvm over two drives but the same problem happens with just a guided whole disk install
[01:15] <kirkland> Randomskk: is the machine connected to the internet?
[01:15] <Randomskk> yea
[01:15] <Randomskk> and dhcp worked
[01:15] <Randomskk> not sure where apt's sources list is though
[01:16] <kirkland> i'm surprised it didn't just pull that file from the network, then
[01:16] <kirkland> Randomskk: can you file a bug in Launchpad?
[01:16] <Randomskk> sure
[01:16] <kirkland> Randomskk: and then, just to get you up and working, start the installation over, but don't add any additional options
[01:17] <kirkland> Randomskk: you'll end up with a minimal install
[01:17] <kirkland> Randomskk: then you can just do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:17] <Randomskk> I hadn't added any options, but this is the kubuntu disk
[01:17] <kirkland> Randomskk: and it'll install the rest of the packages over the interent
[01:17] <kirkland> Randomskk: hrm
[01:17] <Randomskk> what package do I file a bug under?
[01:19] <kirkland> Randomskk: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[01:19] <kirkland> Randomskk: debian-installer
[01:19] <kirkland> Randomskk: that'll get it close enough
[01:21] <VSpike> The upgrade seems to have left a number of obsolete packages behind - should I report this as a bug?
[01:21] <Randomskk> it suggests this bug from last year https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/155944
[01:22] <Randomskk> it never got solved but was closed when the guy's machine broke
[01:22] <Randomskk> I previously had feisty installed from the alternate disk, and never tried gutsy
[01:25] <ConstantineXVI> After updating to RC from beta, my Eee's Atheros card suddenly isn't detected.  Anyone know what to do?
[01:27] <deathzorz> My nvidia-settings are not saving to my XOrg file when I use gksudo nvidia-settings. When I click it, it closes the whole window and the settings revert upon restarting my computer. Anyone have similar problems or a solution?
[01:29] <Randomskk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/289702
[01:34] <lenios> hi everyone, i'm trying to install ubuntu mobile on eeepc, install is ok, and after a reboot i'm trying to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and in the middle on of process, i'm getting errors file system is read only, and then errors everywhere
[01:35] <lenios> i actually did this two or three times, same issue
[01:41] <Randomskk> kirkland: having the terminal open as it installs lets me shift-pgup scrool, it says "found label 'kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release Candidate amd64 (20081022)', installs a signature from the disk, makes a source list entry and writes it
[01:42] <Randomskk> then "skipping non-existing file /cdrom/dists/intrepid/main/binary-amd64/Packages" and a few others
[01:42] <Randomskk> quite a few others, maybe 5 or so
[01:42] <Randomskk> then in-target: locate cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locate, no such file or directory
[01:43] <Randomskk> generates locales
[01:43] <Randomskk> perl falls back to C
[01:43] <Randomskk> it says the following NEW packages will be installed: installation-report
[01:43] <Randomskk> and then those perl warnings and the install screen asks for a media change
[01:43] <BHSPitMonkey> Anything special about setting up a tablet in 8.10?
[01:43] <BHSPitMonkey> I notice that my tablet's name at least shows up as a choice in supporting apps and applets
[01:44] <BHSPitMonkey> (Wasn't the case in Hardy).   I still don't know how to actually make it effective, though.
[01:46] <Randomskk> that's also trying while telling it to not configure networking
[01:46] <Randomskk> same thing, in other words
[01:54] <Guest36544> 8.10 current release candidate is running extreemly slow reminds me of win 95 any ideas on why this is?
[01:54] <a1len> Hey guys. In the wubi install, you allocate however much space you want to be available in the virtualbox. Is there anyway without reinstalling altogether to increase that allocation?
[01:58] <Guest36544> none atol no confirmation or contradicition ?
[01:58] <ConstantineXVI> a1len: nope
[02:00] <gaelfx> since updating yesterday, my machine has been hanging on shutdown, and I suspect the hang occurs when it is trying to shut down alsa because when I restart, sound is not working because either PCM or Master is muted/set to 0, can anyone help me with this problem?
[02:05] <andresmh> totem hangs when doing youtube searches, any idea how i can debug it?
[02:06] <acee12345>  has anyone had issues with kubuntu 8.10(current release candidate) running extremely slow ?
[02:07] <ldiamond> I installed 8.10 server, installed gnome, set up my NIC (worked properly).
[02:07] <ldiamond> Then I rebooted (Monitor would not turn on after waking up from sleep), and its not detected anymore
[02:08] <ldiamond> if I do ifconfig -a, I now have eth1 (which I didnt have, I had eth0
[02:08] <LSD|Ninja> heh, why bother installing Server if all you're going to do is throw a GUI on afterward?
[02:08] <ldiamond> I'm only putting the GUI on there, not all the other stuffs
[02:09] <ldiamond> I figured it might be easier to go from there than removing everything afterwards
[02:10] <LSD|Ninja> A large part of the point of Server is that it doesn't have the GUI
[02:10] <ldiamond> yea
[02:10] <ldiamond> but I want the gui, not the rest.
[02:11] <gaelfx> nevermind, found the bug reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/280534
[02:11] <ldiamond> I'm not here to debate on wether or not its best to start from scratch and install what I need or get ubuntu desktop and remove what I dont need
[02:12] <Randomskk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/270461 seems to be the same problem I'm having
[02:12] <Randomskk> and seems to be fixed using a SATA drive rather than IDE
[02:12] <ekigo> hi, could anyone help me configuring ekiga? it detected a symmetric nat, and i've tried running the script found in http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_behind_a_NAT_router to forward the ip... but i get an error saying a directory is nonexistent (and it exists)..
[02:13] <gaelfx> Randomskk: are you trying to install alpha-5 or just experiencing that bug?
[02:13] <Randomskk> experiencing that bug
[02:13] <Randomskk> I'm using the kubuntu rc alt disk
[02:14] <gaelfx> Randomskk: oh, sorry, got no experience with kubuntu :S
[02:14] <Randomskk> it seems to be the same bug as ubuntu has :P
[02:14] <Randomskk> I would test the ubuntu disk but don't have any more CD-Rs lying around, just a stack of DVDs
[02:14] <Randomskk> but the other people who had the problem were all using ubuntu
[02:15] <gaelfx> Randomskk: you did run the check for defects tool, or is that not on the alternate CD?
[02:16] <Randomskk> I've md5sum'd the CD on my laptop and got the right checksum
[02:16] <gaelfx> oof, that's a heart wrencher
[02:17] <Randomskk> I can't go back or continue D:
[02:17] <gaelfx> you said you're using an IDE drive?
[02:17] <Randomskk> yea
[02:17] <Randomskk> not got any SATA CD drives to test with, either, and I'm not even sure I have a spare SATA port
[02:18] <Randomskk> the motherboard is four years old or so
[02:18] <gaelfx> man, that's rough, I would have expected it to give errors like that on SATA, but not IDE, I got no idea what you could do
[02:18] <Randomskk> ironically it seems to be working when people switch to sata drives
[02:18] <legend2440> Randomskk: if you have hardy disc you could install that and then upgrade
[02:19] <Randomskk> latest I've got is feisty, somewhere
[02:19] <Randomskk> any way to do a net install from the alt CD?
[02:19] <legend2440> !install
[02:24] <Randomskk> there's the minimal CD which makes everything be downloaded from the net but I can't find that for 8.10 RC
[02:24] <Randomskk> can't see any way to use the alt CD to install all packages from the net rather than the CD
[02:25] <ekigo>  could anyone help me configuring ekiga? it detected a symmetric nat, and basically, i need to do port forwarding but i have no idea how to..
[02:26] <Randomskk> I like www.portforward.com
[02:26] <Randomskk> it has good guides for pretty much every router and application
[02:26] <Randomskk> probably not for ekiga itself but if you know what ports it needs forwarded and can find out your router make it should work
[02:26] <ekigo> oh, thanks
[02:27] <danbh_intrepid> ekigo: yeah, do you want your router to forward ports?
[02:27] <gaelfx> I can't get my bluetooth mouse to work, I ran the setup new device wizard, and it says that it configured properly, but the mouse has absolutely no functionality whatsoever, can anyone help me figure out what's wrong?
[02:27] <danbh_intrepid> ekigo: usually, thats where port forwarding happens...
[02:27] <ekigo> mm, i think i can have my computer doing it, but the router may work just as well
[02:28] <ekigo> i've tried going to the router menu, but i haven't found any port forward menu
[02:28] <danbh_intrepid> what are you trying to do in the first place?
[02:28] <danbh_intrepid> allow incoming connections?
[02:29] <ekigo> no, ekiga detected a symmetric nat, and it said that if i have STUN i could forward the port to my machine to fix the problem (it needs a cone nat)
[02:30] <ekigo> i have no idea what this terms mean though, i'm just repeating what i've read
[02:32] <siavash_> so what's up with network manager in intrepid?
[02:33] <siavash_> it's showing duplicate versions of my network adapter
[02:34] <siavash_> and it'd constantly keep reconnecting
[02:34] <siavash_> so I had to deactivate it and I now use ifup/down
[02:34] <siavash_> anyone know a way to fix this?
[02:35] <danbh_intrepid> siavash_: have you tried clearing out /etc/network/interfaces?  save the first two lines concerning lo?
[02:35] <siavash_> yes
[02:35] <siavash_> it worked fine at first
[02:36] <siavash_> but after a restart i ended up with two auto ethernet options
[02:37] <danbh_intrepid> ekigo: http://www.asteriskguru.com/tutorials/sip_nat_oneway_or_no_audio_asterisk.html
[02:40] <ekigo> i'll take a look at it
[02:40] <siavash_> anywho, i just upgraded to RC1 from hardy yesterday, and except for the network manager problem everything went through without a hitch
[02:50] <ekigo> i'm trying to use firestarter to do the forward, but on the policy tab it appears disabled... anyone used firestarter before and know how to enable the option?
[02:52] <tsedreyt> Hi guys, anyone have any idea why sometimes I do have sound, sometimes I don't, and when I do, I can't plug speakers in?
[02:53] <crimsun> tsedreyt: can you be more verbose/precise?
[02:54] <tsedreyt> crimsum: (you've helped me before) I will try.
[02:55] <tsedreyt> I am on Ibex, and everything worked fine until they released the RC. You gave me a terminal fix that gave me sound, but sometimes it works and then it will stop working as I continue to use my computer, but when I restart, it works again.
[02:55] <tsedreyt> However, I can never plug in speakers when it is working
[02:56] <bofh80> tsedreyt, plug in speakers? do you mean a headset? headphones?
[02:57] <tsedreyt> headphones, speakers, anything into the typical midi jack.
[02:57] <bofh80> tsedreyt, you have a laptop?
[02:57] <tsedreyt> I am on a thinkpad, so it has internal speakers, but nothing works other than that
[02:57] <bofh80> tsedreyt, ohh stinkpad. EOF . lol
[02:58] <tsedreyt> yeah yeah, I won it, so I'm not complaining, but...you know.
[02:58] <bofh80> tsedreyt, i woulda complained ;p
[02:58] <tsedreyt> free computer? nah, ill take what I get.
[02:59] <tsedreyt> so crimsum/bofh: any idea?
[02:59] <bofh80> tsedreyt, yey, i spose they had trouble selling it ;p
[02:59] <bofh80> tsedreyt, i can't think of any reason why you would get no sound from the standard jack ports. does the sound on the laptop stop when you plug in the speakers / headphones?
[03:00] <tsedreyt> nope, it keeps going after I unplug it
[03:00] <bofh80> tsedreyt, in your volume preferences, you might find some extra options you can tick that will apear in the switches tab, one of them should do it
[03:00] <ArkoldThos> something that is going great for me is kubuntu, with that solid thing
[03:01] <tsedreyt> bofh: speakers are checked, but headphones are not, checking the headphones might do it?
[03:01] <bofh80> tsedreyt, had a similar problem on an old compaq machine with front jacks, had to find the option in there . . that one might do it . :)
[03:02] <smil3y> anyone know why atheros ar5001x doesnt work with restricted drivers on intrepid?  it worked in hardy and feisty
[03:02] <tsedreyt> great! any idea why sound stops working sometimes?
[03:02] <bofh80> tsedreyt, are there any indications that using certain applications is causing the sound to stop?
[03:02] <gaelfx> I've occasionally had problems after a hung shutdown
[03:03] <tsedreyt> hmm, not that I can think of. although sometimes when I open amarok, it says 'xine: no audio drivers found'
[03:04] <crimsun> tsedreyt: what fix did I give you?  when is sound inaudible?  what's the url that the alsa-info.sh script gave you?
[03:04] <ArkoldThos> tsedreyt: amarok1 or amarok2?
[03:04] <tsedreyt> excuse me 'xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.'
[03:04] <tsedreyt> amarok 1
[03:05] <ripps> smil3y: have your tried linux-backport-modules?
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> hm
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> you should try without that .xine or smth file
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> or in amarok config folder
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> there is a file, forgotten it's name
[03:05] <bofh80> tsedreyt, use audacious if you like winamp. or sigh rythmbox. i really find amarok to be a lot like azereous, i know people like them, but they do not appear to be very clean to me.
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> but usually works if you delete it
[03:05] <ArkoldThos> it just regenerate it
[03:06] <tsedreyt> hm, I'm a recent itunes convert (sadly I was bound by an iphone) but I returned that, so I am trying new things out.
[03:06] <tsedreyt> crimsum: I believe it was "sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio /etc/X11/Xsession.d/59pulseaudio"
[03:06] <tsedreyt> "
[03:07] <bofh80> tsedreyt, hahaha, i was going to say amerok makes me think og itunes. which i hate. it's nasty stuff on windows. they should stick to mac i think hehe
[03:07] <tsedreyt> which media player do you recommend?
[03:07] <SilentDis> greetings.  Kubuntu 8.04 user here.  I figure i might as well upgrade to 8.10 now and hopefully spread out the server load a bit in doing so.
[03:07] <maco> hey guys, anyone use evolution and upgraded from hardy to intrepid in the last few days?
[03:07] <ArkoldThos> amarok pwn
[03:08] <ArkoldThos> amarok 1 is NICE, amarok 2 have a long way to go but im using it already~
[03:08] <woodyjlw> im having lots of luck with ubuntu 8.10 even tho im still a new to linux and got lots to learn but I do have question about suspend mode for laptops
[03:08] <ripps> mpd - Media Player Daemon. Favorit music player
[03:08] <crimsun> tsedreyt: ok, so the issue is that pulseaudio appears to be dying nondeterministically?
[03:08] <smil3y> ripps>  well i have backports enabled, what else would i need to do?  restricted drivers are now installed, and only one shows for the intrepid kernel
[03:08] <SilentDis> question: Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10.  I assume it's recommended to go in and disable all 3rd party repos first?
[03:08] <maco> woodyjlw: if you have nvidia or ati, failing to resume is a known issue in 8.10
[03:08] <Rubin> SilentDis, the upgrader does it automatically for you :)
[03:08] <bofh80> tsedreyt, another good question. totem is the defauult movie player you see. mplayer is nice. xine is err gone. VLC or ogle should handle anythin that doesn't work in the first two. i miss bsplayer, totem started out well, but i don't know went like rythmbox i bit
[03:08] <SilentDis> Rubin: ahhh, rock on, thank you :)
[03:08] <woodyjlw> ok I have 200 mobile ATI
[03:09] <ArkoldThos> SilentDis: well, packages of that repositories will not get updated due to dependencies and stuff if packages arent made for intrepid
[03:09] <ripps> smil3y: linux-backports-modules is a package, I don't think it's even in the backports repository.
[03:09] <tsedreyt> crimsum: yes.
[03:09] <maco> ripps, smil3y: it's in main
[03:09] <maco> smil3y: linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic
[03:09] <bofh80> tsedreyt, i spose it depends what sort of files you generally play
[03:09] <smil3y> ripps>  duh never mind i just scrolled down a little more and saw it lol, ill try that thanks
[03:10] <crimsun> tsedreyt: won't be able to address that for 8.10 final, then.  will have to wait for -updates.
[03:10] <tsedreyt> bofh: I just want something that shows/handles my pretty large library, can sync an ipod, and doesn't suck....haha. I mostly use it as a music player, and I have all kinds of types...
[03:10] <smil3y> ripps>  i just assumed it would be fixed by now i guess, 2 days from release and all oh well
[03:10] <ArkoldThos> they should change the release date <.<
[03:10] <ArkoldThos> by a week
[03:10] <bofh80> ArkoldThos, heheh, it's always like this i spose
[03:11] <ArkoldThos> bofh80: oh, havent been using ubuntu seriously before hardy and intrepid
[03:11] <tsedreyt> crimsum: I understand, and thank you for your time, first thing I do every morning is update to hope something is tossed my way, its like of like Christmas....but usually it lets me down
[03:11] <bofh80> but them look at windows, it takes 3 service packs before the OS they sell you works properly, at least with this it works out of the box with only bugs to correct
[03:11] <ArkoldThos> debian user since 4-5 years ago here xd
[03:11] <woodyjlw> will there be a fix for the suspend mode on the laptops with ati / nvidia video ?
[03:11] <ArkoldThos> things are released when they are done xd
[03:12] <wgrant> woodyjlw: That largely depends on the manufacturers fixing the proprietary drivers, I'm afraid.
[03:12] <bofh80> ArkoldThos, hjehjehje. 'when it's done' lol. hehe debian always rocked compared to it's rivals.
[03:12] <woodyjlw> oh ok
[03:12] <ArkoldThos> anyway used Sid (unstable) Debian all time
[03:12] <SilentDis> this kinda thing always makes me glad i'm using *ubuntu.  In the windows world, you usually have to pay to get assistance with an upgrade.  here, there's a whole community happy to help. :)
[03:12] <bofh80> ArkoldThos, Ximian was a nice step forward on debian, pity about Xandros
[03:12] <ArkoldThos> didn't have many problem with that xd
[03:13] <bofh80> SilentDis, yes i would charge you lots of money to help on windows problems. hahahahaha
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> :o
[03:13] <maco> so, any evolution users that upgraded from hardy to intrepid in the last few days?
[03:13] <SilentDis> bofh80: good!
[03:13] <SilentDis> bofh80: then again, i've not used windows for nearly 3 years now... lol
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> maco, like a week and an half ago here :p
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> using kubuntu
[03:13] <bofh80> but with ubuntu i give it for free.
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> nothing is better than help people if you can
[03:13] <maco> ArkoldThos: did your contacts survive the upgrade
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> thats what i think
[03:13] <ArkoldThos> xd
[03:14] <ArkoldThos> maco: all survived
[03:14] <bofh80> if you want ubuntu on yer pc i come install it for free. cos it means i never have to visit and sit for 2 hours fixing your damned windows box every month
[03:14] <ArkoldThos> all configurations
[03:14] <tsedreyt> anyone and everyone: favorite music player on linux?
[03:14] <ArkoldThos> including kopete ones
[03:14] <crimsun> tsedreyt: in the meantime, you can modify the amarok launcher to unconditionally restart pulseaudio prior to invoking the binary ;-)
[03:14] <ArkoldThos> tsedreyt: amarok
[03:14] <SilentDis> amarok
[03:14] <smil3y> tsedreyt>  amarok here
[03:14] <maco> anyone else?  i'm trying to see if anyone else lost their evolution contacts when they upgraded from hardy to intrepid RC
[03:14] <SilentDis> tsedreyt: don't worry, there'll be someone who says "iTunes under WINE" just to get your dander up :D
[03:14] <bofh80> audacious rocls
[03:15] <ArkoldThos> audacious doens't rocks when having more than 27k of songs xd
[03:15] <tsedreyt> silentdis: if I had admin powers, id boot them
[03:15] <SilentDis> tsedreyt: roflmao
[03:15] <bofh80> maco, what you would probably want to look at instead is the versions of evolution that have been upgraded. see if there is structure change, if you have to maybe rebuild or convert your old data ?
[03:16] <tsedreyt> crimsum: is that very hard/
[03:16] <maco> bofh80: not my data. i'm trying to see if anyone can reproduce the bug i'm looking at
[03:17] <woodyjlw> I have missing video driver in xp on the virtual box and since virtual box is in control of assigning the hardware how do you know what drivers to install to get the video working correctly ?
[03:17] <maco> bofh80: the reporter thinks the conversion fails for the new database, so i'm trying to find someone to reproduce. if it's an isolated event, that's a bit different from if it happens on many upgrades
[03:18] <smil3y> ripps>  ok, the backports worked, its showing hardware drivers now, thanks
[03:19] <tsedreyt> I will be back in 5 I have to do laundry, if I wait any longer some dbag is going to take my bedsheets out of the washer and leave them on the floor.
[03:19] <CarlFK> vmware-player was in dapper-multiverse - seems it is no longer anywhere - anyone know of a repo I can apt-get it from?
[03:19] <bofh80> o0 reminds me . .  Anyone use a Chrome9 HC video card in here?
[03:22] <X4D> hello, how can I make so that ubuntu doesn't change my fstab automatically during boot? I wrote it as root and made the necessary changes and saved but once ubuntu reboots the file is back to the messed  up state it was when I installed ?
[03:22] <tsedreyt> Question: why does my pulse audio manager always say connection refused?
[03:23] <bofh80> there's a pulse audio manager? :P
[03:23] <lastelement0> hey everyone, i have just recently upgraded to Ibex, and i cant seem to turn of the system beeps
[03:23] <Cahan> so right, I upgraded to intrepid, and it's all find and dandy apart from one tiny thing, I cannae connect to my wireless network anymore, iwconfig doesn't show any encryption settings being saved when I try to set them, doesn't work with wicd either, using an ipw2200
[03:24] <bofh80> lastelement0, roflamo, same here, i never thought to ask tho
[03:24] <lastelement0> i checked every sound option i can think of yet none of them seem to turn of the beep
[03:24] <lastelement0> bofh80, its so damn annoying
[03:24] <bofh80> lastelement0, don't you have a colume control marked 'System Speaker' ?
[03:24] <bofh80> lastelement0, i just saw it and muted it, i dunno if it's worked yet.
[03:25] <tsedreyt> bofh: ...Yes? Am I missing a linux joke?
[03:25] <tsedreyt> Why is it say connection refused? could that be why I don't have sound?
[03:25] <CarlFK> X4D: huh?
[03:25] <lastelement0> bofh80, i looked yet don't seem to have on
[03:26] <bofh80> Cahan, are you attempting to use command line to connect? does the network manager applet in the system tray top right not work?
[03:26] <bofh80> lastelement0, if you go into the preferences, maybe you can tick it  to show it?
[03:26] <bofh80> tsedreyt, no joke, waht's the command?
[03:26] <tsedreyt> just in my applications > sound and media > pulse audio chooesr
[03:26] <lastelement0> would master or pcm be one of them bofh80?
[03:27] <X4D> CarlFK: ubuntu automatically builds the fstab during boot, I want this to be disabled so it respects the changes I made
[03:27] <bofh80> lastelement0, it should be right next to them. if not, hit the preferences button, and maybe it's the list, you can tick it to display it nex tot hem ?
[03:27] <Cahan> bofh80: well, I use Wicd usually, but that was uninstalled during the upgrade, but network-manager wasn't reinstalled, so I tried connecting via the command line, but that didn't work, currently plugged into router, reinstalled wicd, that doesn't work either
[03:27] <maco> X4D: unless major changes happened, no, it doesn't
[03:27] <lastelement0> bofh80, i dont see one that says "system"
[03:28] <maco> X4D: it definitely should not be doing that
[03:28] <bofh80> Cahan, PC Speaker sorry
[03:28] <CarlFK> X4D: what would it build it from?
[03:28] <maco> X4D: have you turned on a flag in your filesystem so that changes aren't saved over reboots?
[03:28] <bofh80> lol i'm getting confused
[03:28] <maco> (i have no idea how to do that, but i think it's possible)
[03:28] <bofh80> lastelement0, , PC Speaker sorry
[03:28] <X4D> Well what I'm trying to is to add 3 hard drives to the fstab so they are mounted in the correct directories, after rebooting the drives are not mounted and the fstab has changed
[03:29] <X4D> ignoring all the changes I made
[03:29] <CarlFK> X4D: what is the date/time of fstab?
[03:29] <lastelement0> bofh80, still nothing
[03:29] <bofh80> Cahan, o0. all the network in intrepid is designed to work with network-manager now i believe, set to try and ignore the /etc/network/interfaces. etc. try and install it?
[03:29] <tsedreyt> bofh: you've got 4 questions at a time
[03:30] <X4D> the date is from a few hours ago
[03:30] <CarlFK> X4D: like when you booted, or installed, or what?
[03:30] <jesse__> ^Cc12,01
[03:30] <CarlFK> (or edited...)
[03:30] <X4D> yes, the date/time is the same as the last reboot
[03:31] <maco> X4D: just for debugging, can you try "sudo chattr +i /etc/fstab" and then reboot, but hit "e" on your GRUB kernel option and turn off splash.  see if some init script is trying to edit it?
[03:31] <gaelfx1> what's the irc command that I can use to re-identify as my appropriate name?
[03:32] <maco> X4D: er, chattr *after* you fix it how you want it
[03:32] <X4D> ok, i'll try it
[03:32] <maco> gaelfx1: /msg nickserv ghost user password
[03:32] <maco> gaelfx1: then /nick user
[03:33] <tsedreyt> okay, does anyone know why pulse audio manager is refused connection to anything and would that be a reason why my sound is shotty?
[03:33] <gaelfx> maco: wow, thanks man
[03:33] <bofh80> tsedreyt, i don't have it . and i can't see it in synaptic. i did a clean intrpid beta install . . .
[03:33] <gaelfx> fastest reply this side of Rosedale
[03:34] <tsedreyt> hm, bummer.
[03:35] <tsedreyt> does this help?E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[03:35] <tsedreyt> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_284b_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"): initialization failed.
[03:36] <LoCusF> I recently upgraded to Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex (last friday) and created another session like always to :1, now my mouse doesn't work at :1 but it does work at :0, what could be wrong?
[03:37] <ArkoldThos> O.o
[03:37] <ArkoldThos> no clue, is just wierd :s
[03:37] <LoCusF> yep, thats what I'm thinking as well :D
[03:38] <EruditeHermit> hi, does fglrx in intrepid only support some ATI chipsets?
[03:39] <gaelfx> EruditeHermit: you should check out the package details at packages.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <RAOF> Yes; I forget where the cutoff is.  It should support all the X-series cards, though.
[03:39] <gaelfx> it should tell you there which chips it should support
[03:39] <X4D> maco: ok so I made my changes once again and rebooted, the changes were kept this time, the only different thing I did this time was to include the top line of the fstab "proc /proc /defaults 0 0" which I had forgotten before...
[03:40] <Cahan> bofh80: huh, it seems network manager randomly works when wicd and command line tools don't, oh well, thanks for your help
[03:40] <tsedreyt> so if anyone knows anything about alsa, I have a question. What does this mean:
[03:40] <tsedreyt> E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[03:40] <tsedreyt> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_284b_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"): initialization failed.
[03:41] <X4D> thanks for your help
[03:42] <EruditeHermit> gaelfx: the information there is outdated
[03:42] <gaelfx> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:42] <bofh80> lastelement0, go into System > Preferences > Sound, The Sounds TAB, then untick "Play Alert sound"
[03:42] <gaelfx> EruditeHermit: really?
[03:42] <EruditeHermit> gaelfx: I think they got a beta version from ATI and now my card is no longer supported
[03:42] <bofh80> lastelement0, apparently that works too
[03:43] <lastelement0> bofh80, thanks but that hadn't worked
[03:43] <EruditeHermit> gaelfx: no other distro has Xorg 7.4 support and even the driver from their website doesn't have it
[03:43] <gaelfx> EruditeHermit: oh, sorry
[03:43] <lastelement0> bofh80, i had done that and it still played but i found a fix on the forums
[03:43] <EruditeHermit> gaelfx: canonical got a special drier
[03:43] <EruditeHermit> just wondering where the cutoff was
[03:43] <bofh80> lastelement0, ah cool
[03:43] <lastelement0> bofh80, it basically removes the pc speaker all together
[03:43] <Dedicated> i memory leak here around like shit
[03:44] <lastelement0> "sudo rmmod pcspkr"
[03:44] <Dedicated> plasma leaking, firefox leaking, clamav leaking
[03:44] <bofh80> lastelement0, think we found the same post :P
[03:44] <Dedicated> X too
[03:44] <lastelement0> bofh80 yup good ol ubuntuforums comes through again
[03:45] <gaelfx> EruditeHermit: well, the list is probably pertty similar to the one in the ubuntu standard repos
[03:50] <andresmh> is there a utility to do zooming like the Enhanced Zoom Desktop that comes with Compiz but that doesn't need Compiz? That's the only thing I need from Compiz....
[03:52] <bofh80> andresj, yes but i haven't figured out how to use it. can you see under Applications > Universal Access > Orca ... .
[03:52] <bofh80> andresmh, , yes but i haven't figured out how to use it. can you see under Applications > Universal Access > Orca ... .
[03:52] <bofh80> :S
[03:52] <andresj> bofh80: im guessing u meant andresmh haha
[03:53] <bofh80> andresj, sorry chap lol.
[03:53] <andresmh> thanks bofh80, i'll give it a try
[03:53] <andresj> bofh80: no worries, chap. lol
[03:54] <td123> does anyone know what a triaged bug is?
[03:54] <maco> td123: it means the information the developers need is there
[03:54] <td123> maco: thank you
[03:54] <maco> td123: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for more info
[03:56] <tsedreyt> One last question for anyone, if I am going to make a media partition for my media, what kind of partition should I make it? (nfts, fat32). I'd like it to be usable by windows
[03:56] <RAOF> ext3 is usable by windows (with the driver from fs-driver.org, IIRC).
[03:57] <maco> and NTFS works for both as well
[03:57] <X4D> tsedreyt:  with FAT32 you would limit yourself to 4GB file sizes
[03:57] <maco> NTFS is actually probably better since it's journalled in both OSes.  the journalling is not supported with Windows using that driver for ext3...it treats it like ext2
[03:58] <tsedreyt> hm...okay. thank you guys.
[03:59] <gaelfx> yeah, I got pretty good Ext3 support in windows from a prog named Ext2IFS
[03:59] <gaelfx> oops, guess he's gone now
[03:59] <Dedicated> anyone else experience alot of memory leaks with kubuntu?
[04:00] <DanaG> I actually use ext2fsd, a different piece of software; I set it to read-only mode.  That way, I can guaranteeably always read the linux partition, with no chance of corruption.  When writing in Vista with it, it does tend to corrupt stuff.
[04:01] <DanaG> But I'd rather have always usable read-only than have sometimes-writable and sometimes "do you want to format it?"
[04:03] <admin_masu3701> do anybody know a channel for networking
[04:05] <bofh80> admin_masu3701, networking in what sense? general questions can be asked here. ask away what the problem or question is, and we can direct you
[04:06] <admin_masu3701> bofh80: am just about to start learning networking..so i though there was a networking chennel
[04:07] <SilentDis> grrr.  make teh download go faster! *gets out and pushes*
[04:07] <gaelfx> I know a lot of people have been having trouble with bluetooth mice not reconnecting after reboot, and I did get mine to connect once, but it had no functionality, and now I can't get it to be recognized any more, can someone help me? I suspect it has something to do with the fact I have sdpd in my /usr/sbin
[04:16] <X4D> why am I getting permission denied with sudo ?¿
[04:17] <shirish> hi all, my motherboard doesn't support/have bluetooth although the service bluetooth is on . I disabled the service this session 'service bluetooth stop' but isn't there a GUI with which I can say which services to start and stop each session?
[04:18] <zerwas> shirish, don't know GUI but... sudo /etc/init.d bluotooth start should do it
[04:18] <zerwas> X4D, because you don't have the permissions? ;)
[04:19] <shirish> zerwas:  I don't want to use bluetooth (my motherboard doesn't have bluetooth facility) , I want to keep it stopped every session, know how?
[04:19] <zerwas> shirish, sure, there is also a GUI
[04:19] <shirish> zerwas:  know the name of that utility?
[04:19] <gaelfx> shirish: in system->preferences->session
[04:19] <zerwas> shirish, but i don't know the english words... go to system -> administration -> services
[04:20] <Naisenu> Trying to figure out how to make my 5.1 sound work. Alsa has already been told it's got a 6 channel system. A "speaker-test -Dsurround51 -twav -c6" tells me I have front left & front right channels.
[04:20] <X4D> zerwas: i did sudo gedit /etc/fstab, cant save... then I tried sudo cp /etc/fstab2 /etc/fstab... permission denied
[04:21] <zerwas> X4D, huh?
[04:21] <zerwas> X4D, cd /etc
[04:21] <zerwas> X4D, sudo touch test
[04:22] <X4D> zerwas: created the file no prob
[04:22] <zerwas> X4D, ls -lhas /etc/fstab
[04:22] <shirish> gaelfx: zerwas: thanx, there is a utility which stops or starts services so next time while booting up the services wouldn't start or stop at all.
[04:23] <zerwas> shirish, right.
[04:23] <shirish> gaelfx: zerwas: the System>Preferences> Sessions just makes sure that its not in your session, its per-user stuff, not global
[04:23] <X4D> zerwas: -rw-r--r-- root root 598
[04:24] <gaelfx> shirish: yeah, my bad
[04:24] <shirish> gaelfx: zerwas: I know there is a utility to stop or start services globally (not user-specific) just not knowing the name.
[04:24] <gaelfx> shirish: zerwas's services thing should work though
[04:25] <zerwas> gaelfx, looks good. sudo nano /etc/fstab also does not work?
[04:25] <zerwas> i mean X4D
[04:25] <ArkoldThos> i have downloaded a source package, how can i make a deb package with it?
[04:26] <zerwas> ArkoldThos, with checkinstall for example.
[04:26] <X4D> zerwas: nope nano gives me the same permission denied
[04:27] <zerwas> ArkoldThos, sudo apt-get build-dep packagename and then ./configure && make and then sudo checkinstall ...
[04:27] <zerwas> X4D, umm ... don't know, sorry. can you do "sudo -s"?
[04:27] <shirish> another query, the comp. I have doesn't have cpu frequency scheduling, so is it useful for me (powernowd) ?
[04:28] <X4D> zerwas: well thanks for the help anyway, "sudo -s" didn't work either
[04:29] <dougb> is it pretty easy to install flash player 10 on the amd64 version of ubuntu 8.10?
[04:29] <zerwas> X4D, did you change something with the permissions?!
[04:29] <ArkoldThos> zerwas: sudo apt-get build-dep doesnt do nothing :o
[04:29] <darksyns> anyone know which drivers to use for nvidia nforce 430 geforce 650se
[04:30] <zerwas> ArkoldThos, sudo apt-get build-dep packagename was what i wrote :)
[04:30] <zerwas> ArkoldThos, depends if the package is also available in an older version in the repositories or not.
[04:30] <ArkoldThos> i put it :p
[04:30] <ArkoldThos> david@arkpc:~/ubuntu$ sudo apt-get build-dep yatc
[04:30] <zerwas> ArkoldThos, ok then it's not available and you will have to solve dependencies on your own
[04:30] <darksyns> hello?
[04:31] <darksyns> help with this nvidia card please
[04:31] <zerwas> dougb, search google.
[04:31] <ArkoldThos> zerwas: the tar.gz includes debian folder
[04:31] <zerwas> darksyns, hello. no.
[04:31] <zerwas> darksyns, ;-)
[04:31] <darksyns> u dont know which to use?
[04:31] <ArkoldThos> dougb: yes, is very easy
[04:31] <zerwas> dougb, there is a script here for example: http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/flash-10-rc-on-ubuntu-amd64/
[04:31] <darksyns> im having a hard time with any nvidia driver
[04:31] <X4D> zerwas: no didn't try messing with the permissions
[04:31] <darksyns> older ubuntu versions would just download it for u
[04:32] <bofh80> darksyns, System > Administration > Hardware Drivers ?
[04:32] <darksyns> does nothing
[04:32] <zerwas> X4D, any strange constellation with your hard drives or partitions?
[04:33] <zerwas> X4D, did you have the problem since the installation?
[04:33] <darksyns> im also using virtualbox
[04:33] <darksyns> is that a problem?
[04:33] <zerwas> darksyns, you are running Ubuntu in Virtualbox?
[04:33] <darksyns> yes
[04:33] <bofh80> darksyns, vitualbox does not support 3d drivers.
[04:33] <zerwas> darksyns, yes this is indeed a problem.
[04:33] <darksyns> ok
[04:35] <X4D> zerwas: "Operation not permited" while trying to change permissions, i did not have this since installation, the last thing I changed before this happened was the owner of a drive "sudo chown -R /username:root /media/hd201" and then this came up
[04:36] <X4D> zerwas:  */username:root -> username:root
[04:36] <zerwas> hm
[04:36] <ArkoldThos> in what package the opengl dev headers are?
[04:37] <frosterrj> wow, intrepid on Aspire One, VirtBox with TinyXP and my cisco vpn connection.  8 gb drive and 512mb ram.  XP is damn fast.  This could really be my travel machine!!!
[04:37] <X4D> zerwas: drives and all permissions have been changed well, there's no problem with the previous changes or anything out of the ordinary
[04:37] <zerwas> X4D, have a look in the /etc/sudoers if everything is right
[04:39] <frosterrj> oh, and with the atheros wireless working...it's gotta be the shiznit fo sho!
[04:40] <Naisenu> Is 5.1 sound an issue in Ibex? (or just my machine)
[04:40] <X4D> zerwas: "(User privilige specification) root ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[04:40] <frosterrj> nite all....
[04:41] <zerwas> X4D, btw hope you used sudo visudo
[04:41] <X4D> zerwas: I just looked at the file with nano, didn't do any changes
[04:41] <gaelfx> Naisenu: have you tried googling that?
[04:41] <ArkoldThos> at package contains GLICT dev files?
[04:41] <zerwas> X4D, is there no %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
[04:41] <X4D> yes
[04:41] <Naisenu> yes
[04:41] <Naisenu> it's not pulling up much of help
[04:42] <gaelfx> that would suggest to me that the problem is on your machine then
[04:42] <Naisenu> i also have my previous notes on what i did for Hardy ... but the same option that i used last time isn't available now
[04:42] <X4D> zerwas: it's there below the commented lines
[04:42] <DanaG> oh, PulseAudio doesn't default to surround by default.
[04:43] <DanaG> You have to edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to set default-sample-channels=6.
[04:43] <Naisenu> I had a "Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE" option and it's not there
[04:43] <crimsun> or however many channels you have.
[04:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've noticed really odd behavior with mplayer under PulseAudio.
[04:43] <DanaG> if you pause and resume repeatedly, such as by using frame skip, eventually playback hangs.
[04:43] <gaelfx> Naisenu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/219081 looked at this?
[04:44] <DanaG> It may be after just two frame skips ('.' key).
[04:45] <DanaG> s/may/can/
[04:48] <crimsun> *sigh*  I wish people would stop abusing asoundconf, but I suppose that's what happens when people don't understand runtime alsa-lib configuration.
[04:48] <gaelfx> DanaG: did you figure out your bluetooth problem ever?
[04:49] <crimsun> Naisenu: 5.1 is not a problem under 2.6.27, no.  What troubleshooting steps have you done?
[04:49] <DanaG> I'm using the mplayer pulse plugin, specifically.
[04:50] <gaelfx> crimsun: by the by, I logged before you gave me advice last time about my PCM being off, Hobbsee told me though, so thanks much!
[04:50] <Naisenu> crimsun: enabling 6 ch in Alsa mixer (HDA Intel (Alsa mixer)) and made sure those volumes are up
[04:50] <crimsun> gaelfx: yw.
[04:50] <DanaG> On my 'good' computer, it works better with the openal plugin, oddly enough -- but not on this old computer.
[04:50] <crimsun> Naisenu: please save and run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[04:51] <Naisenu> crimsun: And on Hardy, I had a "Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE" option and it's not there now.
[04:53] <Naisenu> i'd love to run it ... but it doesn't want to run
[04:55] <Naisenu> yay for husbands ... it gave an error though
[04:56] <Naisenu> error = http://pastebin.com/m2185fc9b
[04:59] <RAOF> Naisenu: You probably want to run that as "bash alsa-info.sh" if you're not going to mark it as executable.
[04:59] <hex4def6> Hi -- I'm trying to compile guile on ibex, but its breaking due to D_FORTIFY_SOURCE. How do I change Ubuntus defulat CFLAGS?
[04:59] <Naisenu> thanks :)  that worked: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=291981b819da540359d9521cb89d0a692ddf44db
[05:00] <RAOF> crimsun: ^^^
[05:00] <crimsun> Naisenu: / RAOF: thanks
[05:01] <crimsun> hex4def6: add -Wno-error to the CFLAGS
[05:01] <crimsun> hex4def6: (it has been reported upstream; that's how it's worked around in intrepid)
[05:03] <hex4def6> crimsun: I assume you mean in the guile Makefile? In general, though, where is Ubuntus set of CFLAGS? I assume there must be some .conf somewhere...
[05:09] <shirish> gaelfx: zerwas: I was talking about bum
[05:10] <shirish> ubottu: bum
[05:10] <shirish> info bum
[05:10] <gaelfx> shirish: oh, ok,never heard of that one I'll check it out, thanks!
[05:11] <gaelfx> good circuits everybody, I'm out!
[05:11] <crimsun> hex4def6: you can, yes, or just invoke make with additional CFLAGS, or pass additional CFLAGS to configure
[05:13] <hex4def6> the thing is, part of my issue is I'm dealing with a cross compiling enviroment, and I want to modify ubuntus CFLAGS directly, just to see if they're the ones being used by the crosscompiler
[05:13] <hex4def6> So; throw me a bone: where are they stored? :)
[05:14] <RAOF> hex4def6: In the environment, if anywhere; I don't believe we actually set default CFLAGS.
[05:14] <RAOF> We have default CFLAGS while building packages, but they're explicitly set with dpkg-buildpackage.
[05:16] <crimsun> Naisenu: in a Terminal, does `pasuspender -- speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:surround51' work as expected?
[05:16] <Dulak> hex4def6: afaik cflags are set in the source package per package, nothing global
[05:16] <hex4def6> Oh, ok. Hmm.
[05:21] <hex4def6> Ok, I'm a bit of a n00b at this, but I don't understand then: passing -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 to configure seems to fix the compile issue, but that flag is supposed to be an 8.10 feature. This program, though, doesn't seem to set -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE to anything in the Makefile. So where is it coming from?
[05:23] <RAOF> Probably from configure?
[05:24] <Tukon> ok
[05:24] <Tukon> asked the other day about an adept problem
[05:24] <Tukon> trying to install koffice-kde4 (the koffice2 beta)
[05:25] <Tukon> but when i add the line to third party sources
[05:25] <Tukon> it still doesnt update the package list
[05:25] <Tukon> what'd the console command to manually do it?
[05:25] <crimsun> hex4def6: see http://patches.ubuntu.com/g/gcc-4.3/extracted/gcc-default-fortify-source.dpatch
[05:28] <hex4def6> This is a patch against gcc itself? so this is then set by default whenever gcc is invoked, unless explicitly *disabled*?
[05:29] <crimsun> hex4def6: correct.  It was enabled back in June, and it was tested during the hardy development cycle.
[05:29] <hex4def6> Things are starting to make sense then. Thanks for the insight
[05:52] <wiivile2> hi
[05:53] <wiivile2> if i want a live usb install of ubuntu for my laptop, should i use the current release or wait for 8.10
[05:53] <ChadAyers> anyone have any tips on improving video play back on ubuntu 8.1?  when i do full screen DVD or flash it looks kinda choppy.  I've activated the current 177 driver for my nvidia card and played with the quality settings but still looks horrible.
[05:54] <ChadAyers> Hello?  this thing working?
[05:54] <RAOF> ChadAyers: Yah.
[05:55] <ChadAyers> hmm..  I'd hate to go back to Vista, but my video playback was much better
[05:56] <RAOF> What is it that you have tried?
[05:56] <ChadAyers> I check that I used the current recommended driver and played with the quality/speed adjustment for my nvidia card
[05:56] <RAOF> Ah.  That switch isn't going to do anything useful.
[05:57] <ChadAyers> darn
[05:57] <RAOF> But others might.  For example, flash won't do GL-accelerated video scaling while Compiz is active.
[05:58] <ChadAyers> is compiz the desktop enhancment?
[05:58] <RAOF> Desktop effects, yes.
[05:58] <ChadAyers> its off.. i haven't turned it on yet
[05:59] <RAOF> It'll be on by default.
[05:59] <ChadAyers> non of the functions for it work
[05:59] <ChadAyers> thats where ya can do like Windows key + tab right?
[06:00] <RAOF> Not by default, I think.
[06:00] <ChadAyers> hmm  well when i used it before i had to turn it on after install and then the affects worked.  non if it is on right now
[06:01] <RAOF> Press Alt-tab; if you see thumbnails of your open windows you've got desktop effects enabled :)
[06:01] <ChadAyers> just the icons no thumbnails of windows
[06:02] <RAOF> Ok; strange.  I'd've thought you'd get compiz by default.
[06:02] <xcerca> does gnome-do actualt start programs faster ?  how do you use it ?
[06:03] <ChadAyers> not with the nvidia card i have.  you're required activate it because drivers are restricted.
[06:03] <RAOF> xcerca: <super><space> (type something, get some item) <tab> (type something else, get some action) <enter>
[06:04] <xcerca> does that start porgrams faster ?
[06:04] <RAOF> xcerca: You probably want to enable some plugins, too; they do interesting things.
[06:05] <RAOF> Depends on what you mean by "faster".  It's quicker for me to type <super><tab>"te"<enter> to get a terminal than it is for me to go up to the menus, yes.
[06:06] <mike-solidus> kwin crashes on startup and gtk apps are unthemed, anyone know how to fix this?
[06:06] <RAOF> It also does other stuff; I particularly like selecting some text, <super><space>sele(cted text)<tab>(send to )Paste(bin)
[06:06] <apparle> 8.10 has OSS sound support ??
[06:06] <RAOF> apparle: Ish.
[06:07] <xcerca> RAOF , isn't Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V a bit easier...  i think it is
[06:08] <apparle> RAOF: what?
[06:08] <RAOF> xcerca: I don't find it so; that requires me to start a browser, add a new tab, go to a pastebin, paste the text, and hit the "submit" button.
[06:08] <RAOF> xcerca: With Do, I just select the text and get back a URL
[06:09] <RAOF> apparle: There's kinda OSS support, in that both pulseaudio and ALSA kinda support it.
[06:09] <RAOF> apparle: It is, however, impossible to properly support.
[06:09] <jscinoz> hey
[06:09] <jscinoz> just wondering
[06:10] <xcerca> o, cool
[06:10] <jscinoz> on the intrepid alternate installer, when you choose what packages to install, there is a new one "ubuntu-mobile", what does this entail? the netbook specific stuff or is it for embedded mobile platforms?
[06:13] <DanaG> PulseAudio can't use oss4.... or rather, oss4 breaks the API so PulseAudio can't use it.
[06:25] <jjgalvez> is there any disadvantage to updating from 8.04 using the alternate iso rather then updating online?
[06:25] <RAOF> jjgalvez: Not really.  You'll likely need an internet connection anyway, though, as the alternate iso is unlikely to have _all_ the packages you've got installed.
[06:27] <jjgalvez> RAOF: Thanks, I just like having the ISO for the bulk of the update so I was hopping that it was basically the same thing either way
[06:28] <wiivile2> if i want a live usb install of ubuntu for my laptop, should i use the current release or wait for 8.10
[06:28] <nekostar> hm
[06:28] <nekostar> i went to the lower nvidia driver and this seems to be better
[06:28] <nekostar> stable around 140MB for Xorg
[06:28] <nekostar> wiivile2 get the current one
[06:28] <nekostar> follow directions at pendrivelinux.com
[06:29] <jjgalvez> wiivile2: I'd wait, it will be out very soon
[06:29] <wiivile2> what's wrong with 8.1
[06:29] <nekostar> and then redo the iso side but not the persistant partition
[06:29] <nekostar> jjgalvez this one's not gonna be done for a bit i think... gonna be lots of updates for a couple months..
[06:30] <jjgalvez> wiivile2: well it looks like you're better off with the current release then
[06:39] <firestorm__> i updated to 8.10  im now geting a whole bunch of end_request i/o error,  on dev sr0 on sector 85000ish and buffer i/o on sr0 on logical sector 101000ish on boot, at the start of when it shows the text, it also does it when it loads drivers, and mounting local filesystem fails, but i appear to boot fine
[06:41] <firestorm__> logical block*
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[06:50] <Dedi> im sooo tired of usb stops working for newly plugged in devices
[06:51] <Dedi> its a pain with a usb switchbox
[06:53] <admin_masu3701> hello there
[06:53] <admin_masu3701> do anybody know when is ubuntu 8.10 coming out?
[06:53] <admin_masu3701> is it today?
[06:54] <rww> admin_masu3701: 4 days to go :)
[06:55] <rww> admin_masu3701: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[06:56] <admin_masu3701> rww: will it be alot differentn from beta version?
[06:57] <rww> admin_masu3701: feature freeze was at the end of august. Theoretically, most of the changes since then were bug fixes, rather than new features. Therefore, no, probably not.
[06:58] <rww> admin_masu3701: although, if you were affected by a bug that's since been fixed, you'd see a difference :)
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[06:59] <admin__> ubottu hello
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[07:00] <admin__> ubottu send me this back admin_
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[07:03] <jon_high9000> hi there. i have been trying to resolve a screen resolution problem on intrepid. i cannot seem to get any higher than 800x600.
[07:04] <admin__> whats different from 8.04
[07:05] <DigitalFiz> yay my handycam works in 8.10!
[07:07] <rww> admin__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview#New Features since Ubuntu 8.04
[07:07] <admin__> how can i add more storage to a parttion i still have unallocated space
[07:14] <admin__> how do i become a channel operator
[07:15] <admin__> how do i become a channel operator
[07:24] <nekostar> ok lets see if we can get kde going this time
[07:27] <UbuntuHelper> anyone have UBUNTU Question
[07:53]  * Uzzi saluta tutti
[07:53] <acuster> Hey all, what's the correct way to remap keyboard keycodes these days? My old script works for a while and then no more.
[07:53] <acuster> I had:
[07:54] <acuster> xmodmap -e "clear Lock"
[07:54] <acuster> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = BackSpace"
[07:54] <acuster> xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = Caps_Lock"
[07:54] <acuster> xmodmap -e "add Lock = Caps_Lock"
[07:54] <acuster> which I add to the Sessions -> Startup Programs
[07:54] <acuster> any alternatives?
[08:00] <chuxxsss> hi all
[08:07] <chuxxsss> I'm still having problems with the fence_tool on start up have to wait 300 sec to start
[08:13] <acuster> hey all, in the release notes there is a description of the evdev being incompatible with xmodmap, anyone know where I can get more info?
[08:23] <SilentDis> hello.  Just upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10 RC.  my screen seems to 'flicker' every once in a while, like it goes black for a split second, then comes back.
[08:23] <acuster> anyone know how to remap keys on 8.10?
[08:43] <geremy> does anybody know if tv out is supported on the intel 945's in intrepid?
[08:45] <bhuey> Can I apt-get upgrade to this latest release ? howto ?
[08:47] <TheInfinity> bhuey: dont use unstable software if you cant google this for you alown.
[08:47] <TheInfinity> *alone
[08:49] <cypherdelic> what will the next release be named?
[08:50] <TheInfinity> -> topic
[08:54] <bhuey> TheInfinity: I'm a Linux kernel developer. Does that qualify me ?
[08:54] <TheInfinity> bhuey: then you would know how to read topics ;)
[08:55] <bhuey> I'm just looking for a apt source to upgrade since I'm old school
[08:55] <bhuey> I don't trust the GUI tools as a matter of principal
[08:55] <bhuey> and there wasn't much on that at any of the public links that I saw
[08:56] <alanbshepard70> I heard that the pre release of 8.10 was destroying NICs, do I need to be concerned about installing the 8.10 RC on my PC?
[08:56] <AstralJava> bhuey: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` for CLI release upgrade.
[08:57] <bhuey> AstralJava: thanks, got it, so the apt-get method has been deprecated ?
[08:57] <TheInfinity> bhuey: yes
[08:57] <apw> bhuey: i believe you can just change your hardy to intrepid in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <TheInfinity> since a few versions already
[08:57] <bhuey> apw: that's what I'd normally do
[08:57] <apw> and then update.  but the gui does do more than just that
[08:57] <lch> hi, how do I request that a security fix for a package in the intrepid repositories is being applied? It already is in the Debian source repo, I'm just not sure about Ubuntu
[08:57] <bhuey> TheInfinity: didn't know that
[08:57] <bhuey> apw: I'll just follow the instructions
[08:57] <apw> and i hate gui's but i did use update-manager -d
[08:57] <bhuey> it's simple enough
[08:57] <apw> to do my update and it seemed to work pretty well
[08:57] <AstralJava> bhuey: Sort of. That's the equivalent for update-manager, just for CLI. Includes all sorts of hooks Ubuntu developers created for smoother upgrade experience.
[08:58] <bhuey> AstralJava: yeah, I'll use that since I don't want to repair a broken upgrade or something like that. I don't have the time to waste on it
[09:00] <apw> alanbshepard70: that was probablaly the e1000's that were getting wiped, that should be fixed in the current kernels
[09:00] <AstralJava> bhuey: But then you might wanna wait until Intrepid is released, plus a couple of days for the first SRUs have sunk in.
[09:00] <Randomskk> does anyone know if I can use the alt disk to install but have it fetch packages from the internet rather than the CD?
[09:00] <AstralJava> bhuey: If you do that, get rid of the -d flag from the command.
[09:00] <bhuey> AstralJava: jessu christ this upgrade is huge
[09:01] <alanbshepard70> apw: Ok thanks I just wanted to make sure I had nothing to fear. I love Ubuntu and wanted to get the latest release.
[09:01] <AstralJava> bhuey: Naturally. There's a whole lot of stuff changed.
[09:01] <bhuey> AstralJava: I just won't reboot my machine just yet
[09:01] <bhuey> AstralJava: yeah, it seems to get larger and larger after every release, scary and impressive at the same time
[09:01] <AstralJava> bhuey: You have UPS and the like to guarantee that? Redundant PSUs and stuff? :D
[09:01] <bhuey> hello no
[09:01] <bhuey> hell no
[09:02] <bhuey> I mean, I use to work on enterprise file systems so I'm kind jaded by software in general
[09:02] <AstralJava> bhuey: That is true, but not necessarily the topic for this channel. Lotsa people have opinions about the growing base.
[09:02] <AstralJava> bhuey: Understood.
[09:02] <bhuey> like I know better now to not trust anything
[09:02] <bhuey> sure
[09:02] <lch> anybody? how do I request that a security fix for a package in the intrepid repositories is being applied? It already is in the Debian source repo, I'm just not sure about Ubuntu
[09:04] <AstralJava> lch: #ubuntu-bugs for starters. Have a bug number handy.
[09:05] <lch> AstralJava, I have a bug number from the Debian Bugtracker, and a link to the Debian sid package page, is that okay?
[09:06] <betzi> my keyboard isnt working after i updated to new 8.10. touchpad is working
[09:06] <AstralJava> lch: Most likely not. At this phase of the release cycle, they're gonna need everything played by the book. An LP Bug filed, etc. They'll walk you through the process there.
[09:06] <betzi> how can i fix it?
[09:06] <lch> apparently the XSS problem was announced in the Ubuntu Mediawiki Maintenance Team email list, too
[09:07] <lch> ok thanks
[09:08] <AstralJava> lch: No prob. Also be aware that only release critical uploads will enter the repos until the release happens. Everything else will happen as SRUs.
[09:09] <betzi> my keyboard isnt working in X11 desktop after i updated to new 8.10. touchpad is working fine...in the virtual terminal the keyboard is working.. can someone help me?
[09:36] <Greenery> when I play video, its plays but the video is flickering with black spots all over it. Any idea what's the problem? I'm using Kubuntu 8.10RC
[09:39] <dli> Greenery, sounds like video driver issue
[09:39] <Greenery> how do i find out witht he video driver issue?
[09:40] <betzi> my keyboard isnt working in X11 desktop after i updated to new 8.10. touchpad is working fine...in the virtual terminal the keyboard is working.. can someone help me?
[09:49] <woden1> Why is the guest account only able to be accessed from the Fast User Switch Applet in the upper-right hand corner?
[09:51] <definitely> Hello anyone was able to start Cairo-Dock on Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex AMD64 ?
[09:53] <Greenery> guess xv is causing the problem
[09:53] <definitely> what is xv ?
[09:54] <Greenery> oh i was referring to my problem
[09:54] <definitely> ;D
[10:05] <mnemoc> hi, how can one know what package owns a given file?
[10:11] <apw> if the file is installed then dpkg -S <filename> will look it up
[10:13] <woden1> How do I get flash working in Ubuntu?
[10:13] <mnemoc> good, but likes to eat tons of CPU :(
[10:15] <lch> woden1, install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:16] <woden1> lch: do I also need libflashsupport
[10:16] <lch> no, unless it's a dependency
[10:17] <punzada> Question, any ideas on how to control my fan on my gateway laptop mx400? google seems pretty unproductive everything involves me invoking a FAN0 from echo 3 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state but there is no FAN0 there.
[10:17] <punzada> no fans listed at all under /acpi/fan
[10:19] <chuxxsss> Hi al the new update is dropping the eth0 connect on auto?
[10:20] <chuxxsss> after 3 to 4 hours
[10:21] <mnemoc> apw: thanks
[10:21] <mnemoc> apw: thanks, worked :)
[10:21] <mnemoc> !pci
[10:21] <mnemoc> !hardware
[10:22] <punzada> !acpi
[10:22] <punzada> really?
[10:22] <punzada> :|
[10:23] <woden1> what is the audio support in ubuntu 8.10?  oss, alsa, or pulseaudio?
[10:23] <punzada> supports all three, default is pulse
[10:24] <punzada> and in my experience pulse support has greatly increased
[10:29] <filo1234> i guys, i have a curiosity, so i have see wich ibex work without xorg.conf too, so question is in case of graphic problems, where i can put hands?? where is configuration file??
[10:30] <amro> after updating packages a couple of days ago, I have this annoying bug where hitting alt-f2 leaves alt "pressed" permanently, so I can't type or click on windows
[10:30] <amro> only thing that fixes it is switching to a tty and killall kdm
[10:31] <apw> my understanding is that there is a fallback mechanism in the X server should its chosen driver fail, i also think that you can have a file should that be helpful
[10:31] <filo1234> apw: is your answer for me?
[10:32] <apw> yep sorry
[10:33] <filo1234> apw: ok, sure i can use an xorg.conf too, but if i remove it?? :)
[10:33] <apw> filo1234: its more that the file is now optional, without it it probes for everything as if you have a file with no details in
[10:35] <filo1234> apw: ok and i ahve another question, there is some new command for configure X??
[10:35] <filo1234> have*
[10:37] <apw> it doesn't really seem you need one, as everything is probed.  if you do need to override decisions, then you change xorg.conf as normal
[10:37] <filo1234> ok thanks a lot apw
[10:38] <woden1> How do I remove my user from the sudoers list (after unlocking root account) ?
[10:40] <apw> woden1: remove yourself from the admin group
[10:40] <woden1> apw: I did not see any admin group in /etc/group
[10:42] <apw> in my /etc/sudoers file i have %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:42] <apw> and i am listed in my groups file under admin
[10:42] <apw> whats in your /etc/sudoers file?
[10:48] <woden1> apw: here is my /etc/sudoers:  http://paste.debian.net/20092/
[10:49] <apw> that is the same as mine pretty much which implies you are getting sudo ability through the admin group
[10:49] <apw> my login appears in /etc/group in admin and lpadmin groups
[10:52] <woden1> apw: I don't appear to be in the admin group though
[10:52] <apw> then its not clear how you are getting sudo priv
[10:52] <apw> what groups are you in
[10:52] <woden1> apw: here is my /etc/group:  http://paste.debian.net/20094/
[10:53] <woden1> apw: Oh I see.  I had to log out and log back in.
[10:53] <woden1> apw:  Now it says I am not in the sudoers file.
[10:53] <apw> ahhh you had changed it
[10:54] <woden1> apw: So now how do I tell Ubuntu to let me run system configuration stuff?
[10:54] <apw> haven't you just told it you don't want it to let you by removing your sudo access?
[10:54] <woden1> If I go to System --> Administration --> Users and Groups, I get an error:  You are not allowed to access the system configuration
[10:55] <woden1> apw:  it should prompt me for the root password now.
[10:55] <apw> are you saying you want it to do that, or that documentation says it will
[10:56] <woden1> Sorry, I am saying that I want it to do that.
[10:57] <apw> woden1: hmmm
[10:59] <samurdha> could anyone help me install madwifi drivers on intrepid ibex?
[10:59] <woden1> apw:  You understand what I am saying of course, yes?
[11:00] <wgrant> Why precisely are you dealing with a root password?
[11:00] <woden1> apw:  BTW, this is the default behavior on Debian.  Root is unlocked and regular user is not in admin group and has no sudoer privilege.  When you launch a system config utility, it prompts for your root password.
[11:00] <woden1> wgrant:  Because this is how I prefer to use the system.
[11:00] <wgrant> That's very strange of you.
[11:00] <woden1> wgrant:  define strange.
[11:01] <apw> i would not be supprised if it uses another group to allow su access
[11:01] <apw> and if debian has it its likely still in there...
[11:02] <samurdha> could any1 help me with my wlan?
[11:03] <betzi> my keyboard isnt working in X11 desktop after i updated to new 8.10. touchpad is working fine...in the virtual terminal the keyboard is working... where can i start to fix the problem?
[11:05] <wgrant> betzi: Try moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way, and restart X.
[11:06] <betzi> now i got a kernel panic: VFS: Uanbel to mount root fs on unknown-block
[11:06] <betzi> ah wayne on, i will reinstall ubunut -.-
[11:07] <samurdha> does any1 know how to install madwifi?
[11:14] <Opr8iVe> EeEeEeEeK!
[11:15] <Opr8iVe> Ibex broke my system..  LOL.. Not really.. just fun to complain..
[11:15] <Opr8iVe> Id did some odd things, however.. was wondering if there were some gurus in here willing to help out a semi-newbie
[11:17] <Opr8iVe> Strange thing: Using the latest kernel (installed by the Ibex upgrade) system hangs at boot, unless Im pressing a key.. (Capslock, for instance)
[11:17] <Opr8iVe> Stranger thing: it broke all my other previous (working) kernel builds
[11:19] <Opr8iVe> Strangest thing: When doing the dpkg command at the recovery screen, it finally eliminated all my older kernels from the system (and took them out of menu.lst
[11:19] <Opr8iVe> fark.com: system still works fine, once you get pas the boot. "Ta Da!"
[11:21] <Opr8iVe> oh, and as an aside.. You may want to adjust the settings or whatever to not indicate (in update manager) theres a new dist version available, until its out of beta..
[11:25] <wgrant> Opr8iVe: It won't say that unless you pass -d to update-manager...
[11:26] <Opr8iVe> Oh cripes.. thats what that switch is for.
[11:26]  * Opr8iVe apparently knows only enough to be dangerous 
[11:27] <Opr8iVe> In other news, it all looks like its working quite well.. Other than the boot issue
[11:27] <Opr8iVe> Plus, I cant seem to get the -rt kernel to boot at all
[11:28] <Opr8iVe> I tried the nolapic workaround, but when I do that, it doesnt seem to be able to see my hd
[11:33] <Opr8iVe> so, am I really in the wrong place to ask about help? the #ubuntu channel sent me here..
[11:34] <Opr8iVe> or (in yoda voice) is the "strong in here, idle is"
[11:36] <aLeSD_> hui all
[11:36] <aLeSD_> I'm tring to install the rc of 8.10
[11:37] <aLeSD_> I triend with Xubuntu 32bit - desktop edition and ubuntu 8.10 amd64 desktop edition
[11:37] <aLeSD_> but I'm in troubles with networking
[11:37] <aLeSD_> I mean I cannot connect with wired interface
[11:38] <aLeSD_> tring to run the dhcpclient by terminal it gives errors like no buffer space available or message too long
[11:38] <aLeSD_> has someone the same problem ?
[11:40] <graingert> how is ibex beta and rc...?
[11:40] <aLeSD_> graingert it's the ibex beta ... just downloaded it 1 hour ago
[11:41] <graingert> but it can only be in beta or RC
[11:41] <graingert> not both surely?
[11:41] <aLeSD_> :)
[11:41] <Opr8iVe> topic for this channel calls it "810rc
[11:41] <aLeSD_> ok ... sorry
[11:41] <mercutio22> Opr8iVe> when was the last time you updated?
[11:41] <graingert> "Ibex is still beta software"
[11:41] <Opr8iVe> About 30 minutes agi
[11:41] <graingert> "Intrepid Ibex Release Candidate Released"
[11:42] <graingert> can't both be true?
[11:42] <aLeSD_> ehm ... is it a known problem ?
[11:42] <Opr8iVe> 1+1 = .. .. 1?
[11:42] <aLeSD_> 1+1 = 11
[11:42] <graingert> 1+1= window
[11:42] <Opr8iVe> Ah.. Gotcha
[11:42] <dr_willis> RC is just cleaning up little issues.. (hopefully) befor the final release...
[11:42] <graingert> I know that you know that, but the topic does not
[11:42] <danbh_intrepid> I'm surprised at all the little things that aren't fixed at this point
[11:43] <aLeSD_> ... ehm ...
[11:43] <dr_willis> From the smaller and smaller # of updates I seem to be having every day.. RC is getting closer and closer. ;0
[11:43] <Opr8iVe> I think Im having the goofy kernel issue where (amd64 + Broadcom driver + nvidia mobile = kernel hangs on boot)
[11:43] <danbh_intrepid> Isnt RC about only cleaning up major issues?  dr_willis  I think you got it backwards
[11:43] <wgrant> danbh_intrepid: Not necessarily.
[11:44] <dr_willis> danbh_intrepid,  from all the freezs  id hope all the major issues have allready been caught
[11:44] <wgrant> Now we are in release freeze it is only omg-bbq-critical issues.
[11:44] <dr_willis> but they could always delay the releae..
[11:44] <graingert> bbq=barbeque?
[11:44] <wgrant> graingert: Yes, but it's more often used an obscure acronym next to OMG
[11:45] <dr_willis> I have to wonder what sort of 'omg-bbq-critical' issues were in the language pack updates i saw...
[11:45] <wgrant> We hadn't entered release freeze then.
[11:45] <wgrant> And language support is critical.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> dr_willis: the lack of translations?
[11:45] <graingert> dr_willis: someone spelled somthing wrong
[11:46] <dr_willis> :) seems every update theres some spelling corrections then.
[11:46] <wgrant> There hadn't been complete language pack updates for quite some time due to a Launchpad bug or several.
[11:47] <Opr8iVe> mercutio22, after checking, about 1 hour ago. The last upgrade I did, installed new kernel headers for the 2.6.27-3-rt, but didnt touch the only (working) 2.6.27-7-generic kernel (Im running as we speak) the -3-rt kernel still wont boot
[11:47] <vbabiy> Does any one know how to turn off system beeps in 8.10
[11:47] <dr_willis> welli just got some when i updated/upgraded.. but this laptop has not been updated/graded in a about 2 days
[11:47] <aLeSD_> .... help...
[11:47] <dr_willis> vbabiy,  i tend to use 'xset b 0 0 0 ' for most of them. :)  but some apps still try to beep.
[11:47] <wgrant> dr_willis: Yes, they have been published over the last 10 hours or so...
[11:48] <J-_> What command will tell me the specifics of my ethernet card I have?
[11:48] <vbabiy> it use to be on the sound app in preferences now its gone.
[11:48] <dr_willis> J-_,  install/try ethtool - its got some neat info
[11:48] <danbh_intrepid> Opr8iVe: Im reading that there is no rt kernel in this release.  Maybe thats why the package doesnt work?
[11:49] <J-_> !info ethtool
[11:49] <mercutio22> Opr8iVe> So the upgrades didn't brake everything? You can still log in, is that it? I am updating as we speak. I hope it doesn't break my system this time
[11:49] <wgrant> danbh_intrepid: We have a -rt kernel now, but it's not installed by default, and has some issues.
[11:49] <danbh_intrepid> though, the message isn't completely clear
[11:49] <wgrant>  It only appeared recently.
[11:49] <ziroday> vbabiy: you can rmmod pcspkr which removes the pcspkr module
[11:49] <danbh_intrepid> I see
[11:49] <Opr8iVe> mercutio22, I have to hold down a key at boot time, when it stalls. But once booted, it all seems to work fine
[11:50] <vbabiy> ziroday: thanks, so there is no UI for this any more?
[11:50] <ziroday> vbabiy: no clue, thats how I have done since ever :)
[11:50] <Opr8iVe> danbh_intrepid, the automated update to ibex put that rt kernel in my system, so I just assumed it was the 'working latest kernel'
[11:51] <ziroday> vbabiy: if you want to re-enable it you need to do modprobe pcskpr
[11:51] <J-_> dr_willis:  Not what I want. :) I want to know if I have an e1000e Gigabit card.
[11:51] <dr_willis> J-_,  check dmesg output perhaps..
[11:51] <vbabiy> alright thanks ziroday
[11:51] <wgrant> J-_: Why do you want to know that? That issue was fixed ages ago.
[11:51] <J-_> Oh, it was? hrm
[11:51]  * J-_ chuckles
[11:52] <wgrant> A day or two after betarelease, IIRC.
[11:53] <aLeSD_> ok ... I can't set my ip address manually
[11:53] <aLeSD_> the driver is broken
[11:53] <Opr8iVe> mercutio22, Im on the laptop I upgraded, right now.. No other special tweaks to it, other than having to hold down a key at boot time. (I personally have been holding down CapsLock)
[11:53] <danbh_intrepid> Opr8iVe: how/why did you get the rt kernel in the first place?
[11:54] <aLeSD_> :(
[11:54] <danbh_intrepid> aLeSD_: what driver?
[11:54]  * Opr8iVe is an audio guy.. Recording / remixing / Dj'ing
[11:55] <aLeSD_> marvel technology 88e8039 PCI-e fast etherner contriller
[11:55] <graingert> why is evolution being removed?
[11:55] <Opr8iVe> rt kernel reduces system lag for I/Os, most helpful for recording over pre-existing audio
[11:55] <graingert> via a partial upgrade
[11:55] <aLeSD_> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 gives
[11:55] <danbh_intrepid> Opr8iVe: I see, yeah, well, there is a release note about UbuntuStudio not having the rt kernel in this release.  But, someone said earlier that there was a last minute edition.  So, I guess all that applies to you.
[11:55] <wgrant> graingert: Because you need to wait a couple of hours.
[11:55] <aLeSD_> no buffer space available ... cannot assign requested address
[11:55] <danbh_intrepid> graingert: dont do the upgrade
[11:55] <Opr8iVe> danbh_intrepid, Hmm
[11:56] <inflex> Is there a tool/app for configuring X where I can select my GFX card and my screen resolution?  Because the auto-configures are NOT working (Ubuntu 8.10, Radeon 9250).  Been an X/linux user since 1996, normally I can use xfconfig etc.   Xorg -configure  just hangs/dies
[11:56] <graingert> why should I wait; this is ibex beta -> ibex RC
[11:57] <aLeSD_> graingert ... it's sky2 module
[11:57]  * inflex tries removing xorg.conf and running startx to see what the log gives... bbiab
[11:57] <wgrant> graingert: Erm, because evolution would be removed.
[11:57] <wgrant> inflex: That will often work.
[11:57] <wgrant> Damn.
[11:57] <Opr8iVe> danbh_intrepid,  Perhaps im kinda SOL at this point for a rt kernel (due to my own lack of research) Hopefully the next LTR will be better?
[11:57] <graingert> wgrant: but why did they remove evolution
[11:57] <wgrant> graingert: They didn't.
[11:57] <wgrant> graingert: Just wait a couple of hours.
[11:57] <graingert> wgrant: I don't even use it anyway, I use gmail
[11:57] <danbh_intrepid> graingert: it happens when they upgrade a set of packages, and put break directives in the new packages, breaking the old packages, AND THEN, only uploading half the packages.  The updaters compensate by trying to remove anything broken.  You just have to wait
[11:58] <Opr8iVe> inflex: You wouldnt happen to be into R/C, would you?
[11:58] <graingert> oh... ok
[11:58] <wgrant> Opr8iVe: 9.04 should be OK, but -rt was organised altogether too late for 8.10.
[11:58] <graingert> -rt?
[11:58] <Opr8iVe> Realtime
[11:58] <danbh_intrepid> graingert: evolution does more than that, and might be essential to your computer.  I've been told that is has some important databasing stuff
[11:58] <graingert> danbh_intrepid: gah what a paint
[11:59] <graingert> paint=pain
[12:00] <graingert> i'll just do a basic package upgrade rather than an uninstalling upgrade thingy
[12:01] <graingert> (it's only a vm btw)
[12:02] <danbh_intrepid> heh, then do a save state! and have fun!
[12:03] <graingert> danbh_intrepid: xD
[12:04] <graingert> save states on virtualbox seem to do more harm than good; once I save a state all writes to the disk are ignored; :-p
[12:04] <graingert> danbh_intrepid: I just don't put anything important on
[12:05] <mercutio22> Opr8iVe> thats the weirdest workaround I ever heard of
[12:05] <mercutio22> Opr8iVe> how did you discover it?
[12:05] <Opr8iVe> Agreed
[12:05] <Opr8iVe> desperatiion
[12:05] <mercutio22> =]
[12:05] <graingert> what is the workaround and what is it for?
[12:06] <Opr8iVe> Hold on, its a known issue, Letme digup the bug report
[12:06] <inflex> okay, this is going to get fun
[12:07] <mercutio22> Opr8iVe> brb. I have to reboot to apply the changes. Lets see if it happens here as well
[12:07] <graingert> yay lets open the shampane
[12:07] <graingert> shun shampain, demand real pain
[12:07] <Opr8iVe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/272247
[12:07] <graingert> lol @ mercutio22
[12:07] <Opr8iVe> inflex : Its me.. Mendnwngs.. dont logoff so quick, lol
[12:08] <inflex> sorry, had to jump out to get the log start of Xorg
[12:08] <inflex> seems like I need to get X11-drm going but it's not in the list I can se
[12:08] <inflex> see
[12:08] <Opr8iVe> ...mendnwngs.. friend of NDflicks..  probe your memory..
[12:09] <dr_willis> I wonder how one discovers the system would boot IF a key was held down....
[12:09] <inflex> yes, big erm... Zero wasn't it that you have now hanging up on your ceiling :)
[12:10] <graingert> that is a weired bug
[12:11] <aLeSD_> hi all
[12:11] <aLeSD_> I'm back
[12:11] <aLeSD_> ehm
[12:11] <aLeSD_> I found the problem
[12:11] <aLeSD_> dhclient is locking the moduke
[12:11] <inflex> Opr8iVe: I've got the Xorg log if needed
[12:12] <aLeSD_> I had to rmmod the module
[12:12] <inflex> Xorg log -  http://pastebin.com/m6da4759b
[12:12] <inflex> notice how dri/drm fails
[12:12] <aLeSD_> and set the interface by hand by ifconfig, route
[12:12] <Opr8iVe> inflex, Okay, checking...
[12:12] <inflex> Opr8iVe: just upgraded from 8.04, was working nicely in 8.04,  now when it came to fire up X, just hangs and gives up
[12:13] <inflex> I don't really need outright performance, so I'm fine to run in VESA or crippled mode, so long as I can run at 1920x1200
[12:14] <Opr8iVe> inflex, have you tried booting to your old (working) kernel?
[12:15] <inflex> not yet
[12:16]  * inflex notes that there's no drm/dri module loaded atm
[12:16] <aLeSD_> ok ... just a final question
[12:16] <samurdha> does any1 know how to install madwifi drivers?
[12:16] <Opr8iVe> inflex, odd.
[12:16] <samurdha> im having problems installing it
[12:16] <inflex> mm.. just manually loaded it with modprobe drm
[12:16] <inflex> brb
[12:16] <Opr8iVe> Wonder if nihil would have any inout
[12:16] <aLeSD_> I have the 8.10 working more or less ... if I'm upgrading when the officila one is out
[12:17] <Opr8iVe>  /inout/inout
[12:17] <Opr8iVe> input.. darn
[12:17] <aLeSD_> I'll have a officil one or something of strange ?
[12:17] <Opr8iVe> "o" key keeps moving around on me
[12:18] <aLeSD_> I mean ... if I upgrade the 8.10 beta ... I will have the same system that someone that install directly the stable one ?
[12:20] <aLeSD_> am i alone ?
[12:20] <graingert> aLeSD_: no, becuase you would keep your documents; but the freshman would not
[12:20] <zined> aLeSD_: you're not :)
[12:20] <graingert> aLeSD_: otherwise the same
[12:20] <kniolet> aLeSD_: it would be the same
[12:21] <aLeSD_> nice ... thanks
[12:21] <graingert> aLeSD_: if you made a new user with a fresh HomeDir then they would not be able to tell
[12:22] <samurdha> a guide says: For Debian, Ubuntu and related systems run as root: apt-get install build-essential perl
[12:22] <kniolet> graingert: they would be able to keep their docs if they had a separate /home partition ;-)
[12:22] <samurdha> when i type that it says couldnt find package build-essential
 did you read my problem with the ethernet module ?
[12:22] <graingert> kniolet: to me that is not a fresh install
[12:22] <graingert> aLeSD_: I think that is one of the features of the new kernal
[12:23] <aLeSD_> and I have an eeepc 701 ... I'm thinking to install ubuntu mobil ... what do u think ?
[12:23] <aLeSD_> cause the xubuntu windows are too big for the display
[12:23] <zined> howdy guys, i'm having a problem with my intel 945GM, suddenly after a reboot `glxinfo` says "direct rendering: No", so compiz won't start anymore... any clue there? should i reinstall/remove some mesa-related packages?
[12:24] <kniolet> samurdha: thats odd, thats a standard package, try build-common then maybe?
[12:25] <wgrant> samurdha: Your sources.list is wrong.
[12:25] <wgrant> Or you need to apt-get update
[12:26] <graingert> aLeSD_: yes ubuntu mid looks good
[12:26] <graingert> aLeSD_: also tell us if mozilla fennec works well on it?
[12:27] <samurdha> kniolet or wgrant: could u explain plz? im a linux newb
[12:27] <kniolet> samurdha: run 'sudo apt-get update'
[12:28] <kniolet> samurdha: then 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[12:28] <kniolet> and see if that works
[12:28] <samurdha> no internet on the pc..
[12:28] <wgrant> samurdha: Why are you trying to build things?
[12:28] <kniolet> ah
[12:28] <kniolet> yeah you need internet for that to work
[12:28] <samurdha> trying to install madwifi drivers for my wifi card..
[12:30] <samurdha> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Requirements
[12:30] <kniolet> samurdha: you probably need to plug the computer directly in to the network to get that stuff installed with a reasonable amount of effort, it could be done otherwise but it would be a pain in butt i think
[12:31] <samurdha> k
[12:31] <samurdha> my pc only has a wireless card :(
[12:31] <samurdha> and it doesnt work properly with the current drivers
[12:31] <graingert> samurdha: no ethernet, what madness is this?
[12:32] <kniolet> wow that sucks
[12:32] <graingert> samurdha: go and get an ethernet card right now!!
[12:32] <samurdha> lol
[12:32]  * kniolet suggests getting a USB ethernet thingy
[12:32] <samurdha> i was using vista before.. had no probs with this
[12:32] <J-_> Anyone else getting distorted sound? Is there a fix?
[12:33] <J-_> I'm on the intrepid beta CD.
[12:33] <kniolet> samurdha: are you using the 8.10 beta, the madwifi drivers are not normally needed with it
[12:33] <samurdha> 8.10 RC
[12:34] <marco> hi, is there any "official" or suggested repository to have OOo 3.0 and ekiga 3.0 in Ibex?
[12:34] <samurdha> my network manager detects the wireless networks around me but i cant connect to them
[12:34] <kniolet> ok, i guess your network card is one of the ones that the new driver doesnt suport. i used to have to use madwifi, but i dont anymore
[12:34] <kniolet> samurdha: really? thats strange
[12:34] <dr_willis> marco,  i belive i saw where its going to be in the backports or PPA repos  for OOo3
[12:34] <kniolet> samurdha: there may be another problem then
[12:34] <J-_> Everything works really well right now except my sound. I'm hoping there's a fix.
[12:34] <kniolet> samurdha: usually if you needed to install the madwifi drivers you wouldnt be able to even see the other networks
[12:34] <samurdha> i have 8.10 RC on my laptop and it connects fine
[12:35] <J-_> I'm running the Ibex LiveCD
[12:35] <marco> dr_willis: is there a special repo for "backports"? or I just have to wait and hope? :)
[12:35] <dr_willis> !backports
[12:35] <J-_> !sound
[12:35] <marco> dr_willis: thanks
[12:35] <samurdha> kniolet: what do u think might be the problem if it isnt the driver?
[12:36] <danbh_intrepid> marco: bug 267376
[12:36] <inflex> Turns out the fglrx package was installed, removed it and now everything boots/starts 100%
[12:36] <cbkm`> Hi guys - upgraded to the Intrepid RC last night and have a problem with gnome-keyring-daemon not being able to read the config values from gconf, gives the following:"gnome-keyring-daemon: couldn't lookup ssh component setting: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Det
[12:37] <kniolet> samurdha: it _could_ be the driver, but i have never seen one do that before... are you using encrytion on the wifi network?
[12:37] <samurdha> open
[12:38] <samurdha> no encryption
[12:38] <samurdha> as my laptop connects with the same settings/OS i figured it must be the driver
[12:39] <J-_> Since I'm on the LiceCD, should I do a partial upgrade to see if my sound is fixed? I have 2gb of RAM. there's roughly 350mb of data to download.
[12:40] <J-_> livecd even
[12:40] <mercutio22> who was I speaking to?
[12:40] <kniolet> samurdha: thats pretty odd, i would suggest filing a bug report then... if you do, open up terminal and run 'lspci | grep Atheros' and paste that into the report. (you do know for sure its an Atheros network card, right?)
[12:40] <mercutio22> I got no issues with the update
[12:41] <samurdha> kniolet: USR card with atheros chipset
[12:41] <ghatak> Hi, I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.10 on Macbook pro, the install works fine. However after reboot I just get a Flashing Question mark and never get to Grub. Has anyone else faced similar issue?
[12:42] <samurdha> kniolet: same thing happens for me on ubuntu 7.04
[12:43] <marco> danbh_intrepid: thanks
[12:43] <J-_> wooo, sound works perfect now.
[12:44] <J-_> Going to install Ibex
[12:45] <J-_> I can definitely tell how much Ubuntu has improved from Hardy to Intrepid.
[12:45] <J-_> On the LiveCD
[12:45] <samurdha> and where do i file a bug report?
[12:45] <kniolet> J-_: i think its much better too
[12:45] <J-_> !bugs
[12:47] <danbh_intrepid> !ooo3 is <reply> Information about OpenOffice 3.0 on Intrepid can be found here https://launchpad.net/bugs/267376
[12:47] <danbh_intrepid> good luck to the ops!
[12:48] <J-_> With compiz-fusion enabled I get 2192 frames in 5.0 seconds = 438.353 FPS in glxgears. Is that good?
[12:48] <J-_> This is with a GM956 chipset.
[12:48] <J-_> GM965*
[12:48] <danbh_intrepid> heh, can you play tremulous at 90fps with that?
[12:49] <marco> thanks for OOo 3.0, anything about Ekiga 3.0? current version is unable to handle my webcam (while other programs do)
[12:49] <danbh_intrepid> no idea
[12:49] <marco> I think is a V4L2 problem
[12:49] <J-_> I'm not sure. I don't play tremulous
[12:49] <danbh_intrepid> marco: is your webcam v4l or v4l2?
[12:50] <marco> danbh_intrepid: how can I tell? I suppose v4l2
[12:50] <J-_> My network card runs a lot better too. The light for it actually turns on(on the laptop)
[12:50] <J-_> Hardy it didn't.
[12:51] <kniolet> J-_: i dunno about with that chipset, on my intel 910 chiset i get ~950fps on glxgears while running kwin in compositing mode
[12:51] <danbh_intrepid> I dunno, but I would think v4l is where you would have trouble on ekiga.  v4l2 should work I think.  It works for me.  and there are bugs being worked on concerning v4l.  I got confused by the bug though
[12:51] <J-_> hmm
[12:51] <marco> danbh_intrepid: you using ekiga 2.x? Kopete shows webcam preview fine, ekiga not... I think kopete supports v4l2
[12:52] <danbh_intrepid> marco: yeah
[12:52] <danbh_intrepid> and my webcam is v4l2
[12:52] <J-_> kniolet: Composition meaning, Compiz-fusion correct?
[12:54] <kniolet> J-_: compositing is the x11 stuff that makes all the effects possible, compiz fusion takes advantage of that, so does the kde window manager (kwin) in kde4
[12:54] <J-_> Cool, thank. :)
[12:54] <J-_> Thanks*
[12:56] <wgrant> But Internet Explorer is the Internet!
[12:56] <ConstantineXVI> okay, so what exactly broke my AR5007 over the weekend?
[12:57] <IdleOne> falling off the desk?
[12:57] <platius> cosmic ray?
[12:58] <shmengie> the cosmic ray fell off the desk?
[12:58] <IdleOne> ConstantineXVI: maybe it said F it and decided to move on to the next level of existence
[12:58] <IdleOne> Do we look like psychics@
[12:59] <shmengie> then it would have been the micro blackhole
[12:59] <shmengie> created by the shc
[12:59] <IdleOne> ConstantineXVI: describe the problem and maybe someone can help
[12:59] <ConstantineXVI> Friday morning I updated, rebooted this morning and it wasn't in networkmanager anymore
[13:00] <ConstantineXVI> installed the linux-modules-backports and it worked again, but what broke it in the first place?
[13:00] <IdleOne> maybe the linux-modules-backports did not get updated friday
[13:00]  * Hobbsee notes that sounds like atheros
[13:01] <J-_> I can't believe how powerful Ibex made my wireless card. I can see a wireless network about 12 houses away from where I am.
[13:01] <ConstantineXVI> Hobbsee: AR5007 == atheros
[13:01] <Hobbsee> ConstantineXVI: because it got blacklisted in the kernel, and different modules got added to l-m-b, iirc.
[13:01] <J-_> Couldn't see it before in Hardy. Not even to an extent it is now.
[13:05] <shmengie> doh, I have a laptop here, w/ar242x and it's not working either.
[13:11] <shmengie> atheros stuff looks like it went through a big change.  ath5k.ko absent in latest kernel modules.
[13:17] <platius> my desktop is has ar2413 and is current on update and it is still working
[13:17] <joaopinto> ConstantineXVI, the ath5k is now disabled on the regular kernel modules, that was a planned change
[13:18] <joaopinto> ok, Hobsee already replied :P
[13:18] <Bl4ckP0pe> hi, can someone please help me run a .js script on Ubuntu 8.10 x64 (noob-level) ?? thanks
[13:19] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[13:19] <samurdha> does anyone know of a good wireless lan card fully compatible with ubuntu?
[13:19] <Bl4ckP0pe> hi raddy
[13:19] <raddy> It seems Ubuntu 8.10 too would contain the boring old artwork :(
[13:20] <Bl4ckP0pe> do you know how to run .js scripts from CLI?
[13:20] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: intel
[13:21] <samurdha> all of them?
[13:21] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: specifically, the intel 4965
[13:21] <ConstantineXVI> afaik, the 4965 does a/b/g/n, so you should be good for a while with it
[13:21] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, there is no javascript command line interface as far as I know, there is a JS shell provided by SpiderMonkey, but still, for a web development context
[13:22] <Bl4ckP0pe> @ samurdha - yes, Dell 1500, wireless a,g,n with BCM4328 chip works great in Ubuntu with wl driver by Broadcom
[13:22] <samurdha> ConstantineXVI: does it need to be configered?
[13:22]  * Hobbsee likes the intel 3945 cards
[13:22] <samurdha> im new to linux i need something that will work right after I plug it in
[13:23] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: just pop off you case, slot it in, done
[13:23] <Bl4ckP0pe> then dont get Broadcom
[13:23] <samurdha> good, thx alot
[13:23] <ConstantineXVI> Hobbsee: afaik, the 4965 is the successor to the 3945
[13:23] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: http://www.directron.com/4965agnmm1wb.html
[13:24] <Bl4ckP0pe> joaopinto - it is an .xpi webmail extention for Thunderbird, when it extracts, there is install.js ... what do I do to run this??
[13:24] <ConstantineXVI> Bl4ckP0pe: don't extract .xpi files, open them in thunderbird
[13:25] <Bl4ckP0pe> ah, ok, standby, I will try that, thanks!
[13:25] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, to install an xpi you just need to drag an dropt it to the addons dialog box
[13:25] <samurdha> know anything PCI? i got no PCIe
[13:25] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: hold on a moment, is this a desktop or laptop?
[13:26] <samurdha> desktop
[13:26] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: oh, that changes everything
[13:26] <samurdha> and i only have PCI slots
[13:26] <Hobbsee> ConstantineXVI: that's true
[13:27] <Hobbsee> ConstantineXVI: but a whole lot of laptops still sell the 3945's.
[13:27] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315041 is pretty good, but you'll have to install the -386 kernel to keep it from crashing all over the place
[13:28] <Bl4ckP0pe> Great, that worked! Thanks for the tips!
[13:29] <mickep> hi, pretty often I get a square on my screen that does not update (see http://hurf.mine.nu/mickep/Screenshot.png). It disappears after a minute or two. Any ideas?
[13:29] <Bl4ckP0pe> BTW, has anybody installed VMware Workstation 6.5.0 on Ibex x64??
[13:29] <ShackJack> Hi everyone. Lately I've been getting some keyboard/X "hinkiness"... After a while the keyboard will not respond as well right-clicks or main menu pressess. I've checked processess, etc... and nothing unusual going on. Dunno if it's the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/254840 which indicates it was fixed however...
[13:29] <samurdha> ConstantineXVI: i386?
[13:30] <ShackJack> Heehee thanks  "ubottu" - just wondering (this is for the humans) if you've still been hearing reports of this issue?
[13:31] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: there's the -generic kernel that installs by default, and the -386 kernel that doesn't have things like multiprocessor support
[13:31] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: which causes problems with that specific card (which I have)
[13:31] <samurdha>  how difficult is it to do that?
[13:31] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: maybe 5 clicks and your password
[13:31] <samurdha> also pls keep in mind that the system has no internet connectivity
[13:32] <platius> samurdha; I have a Belkin desktop pci wireless G F5D7000 version 5000 has to be this version.  Works out of the box on hardy, ibex
[13:32] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: you can download it from another machine
[13:32] <samurdha> links to any guide?
[13:32] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: don't need one
[13:32] <platius> samurdha; bought it at Wal-mart
[13:32] <Bl4ckP0pe> which kernel is the best for Ibex?? My 'uname -mors' = Linux 2.6.27-7-generic x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:32] <Bl4ckP0pe> Is this the most stable for sound etc?
[13:32] <samurdha> ConstantineXVI: how do i do it?
[13:33] <samurdha> platius: k
[13:33] <vega> Bl4ckP0pe: the kernel that ships with it perhaps?
[13:34] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: since you're new, it'll be a bit easier to buy the one platius reccomends, but all you have to do is find the package on packages.ubuntu.com, download it, copy to thumbdrive, and double-click it on the ubuntu machine
[13:34] <Bl4ckP0pe> that's 2.6.27-4-generic, correct, but it keeps updating itself?
[13:35] <samurdha> k
[13:35] <Bl4ckP0pe> which Kernel will ship with the final 8.10, anybody?
[13:36] <samurdha> ConstantineXVI: k, just in case could u tell me the exact name of the package i need to download?
[13:36] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, the current one, unless it get's some fix meanwhile
[13:36] <joaopinto> 2.6.27-7
[13:37] <Bl4ckP0pe> thnx joaopinto, I'll stick with that one then
[13:37] <shane2peru> hey, quick question, observation.  I'm working on a laptop with Intrepid, and noticed when I unplug the power cord, it doesn't recognize I'm on battery, any ideas?
[13:37] <ShackJac1> Soo... any IRC ppl hearing any reports of keyboard crapping out under X (along with some menu functions-right click). It just happened again on my notebook...
[13:37] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: linux-image-386
[13:37] <samurdha> ty
[13:38] <shane2peru> do I need to boot with the acpi option?
[13:38] <raddy> Anybody there???
[13:39] <ConstantineXVI> samurdha: but i'm not sure, intrepid might have fixed it's crash-happiness in the default kernel
[13:39] <shane2peru> raddy a few of us, but looks like we are all asking questions. :)
[13:39] <joaopinto> raddy, don't you read us ?
[13:39] <Bl4ckP0pe> has any one a Broadcom wireless card on Laptop? On my machine the wl driver loads if I select the 2.26.27-4 kernel from grub @ bootime, but if I go with the kernel I mainly want to use, ie 2.26.27-7, the module is not there. How can I fix this?
[13:39] <raddy> It seems Ubuntu 8.10 too would contain the boring old artwork :(
[13:40] <dna__> where can i find a preview of ubuntu 8.10? or a list of new features?
[13:40] <joaopinto> dna__, www.ubuntu.com
[13:40] <Bl4ckP0pe> Raddy, you said that already 10 minutes ago, try turning up screen brightness ";0)
[13:40] <ConstantineXVI> dna__: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[13:40] <shane2peru> dna__: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc then scroll down
[13:41] <dna__> thank you sires
[13:41] <shane2peru> after all the mirrors you can find info about it.
[13:41] <ShackJac1> Any IRC ppl hearing any reports of keyboard crapping out under X (along with some menu functions-right click). It just happened again on my notebook.  Keyboard under GNOME stops working and there are no brightness/volume indicators as well. Any ideas?
[13:42] <joaopinto> ShackJac1, no
[13:42] <ShackJac1> joaopinto: That's one "no" how about the other 282 ppl ;-)
[13:43] <joaopinto> ShackJac1, if they don't bother to answer you can assume it's a no ;)
[13:44] <ShackJac1> joaopinto: Or that they're not active in the chat :)  I've seen an issue on this (relating to XServer) but it's marked fixed...
[13:45] <samurdha> platius u there?
[13:45] <bsnider> michael larabel ran a benchmark test against the last 4 ubuntu releases and found that performance has gotten a lot worse since feisty.
[13:46] <bsnider> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=10
[13:47] <shane2peru> do I need to boot with the acpi option in the boot menu to get my laptop to report a battery?
[13:49] <ConstantineXVI> shane2peru: normally, you shouldnt have to
[13:50] <ConstantineXVI> shane2peru: normally, you shouldnt have to touch the boot menu
[13:50] <shane2peru> ConstantineXVI: ok, what do I need to do to get it(the battery) detected?
[13:50] <ConstantineXVI> shane2peru: it should just happen
[13:50] <shane2peru> ConstantineXVI: right, and always has for me, that is why I know nothing about it, however it isn't detecting the battery now.
[13:51] <graingert> the icon for network manager scales badly
[13:51] <W8TAH> most of the icons in the systray look rather nasty right now
[13:52] <shane2peru> ConstantineXVI: should I fill out a bug report?
[13:53] <nemo> Something weird after my update, said the "smooth" engine for gtk (used by the resilience theme) could not be found - hunting in package manager, couldn't find it there either
[13:53] <nemo> where might it be?
[13:53] <nemo> the art manager is neat though.
[13:53] <louise> which ubuntu architecture should I choose for an eeePc 700? 64bit or 32bit?
[13:53] <louise> i need to know which iso to choose
[13:53] <KR-data> what settings do I need to reset for my knetworkmanager to work? I seems some of my old settings makes things block
[13:54] <graingert> louise: probably 32, and use unetbootn
[13:54] <shane2peru> louise: isn't that a mac?  I think there is a specific one for that.
[13:54] <slayton> I'm having a weird keyboard issue on my intrepid install
[13:54] <nemo> shane2peru: isn't a mac
[13:54] <nemo> shane2peru: is that tiny lil' PC
[13:54] <slayton> I get to the login screen but I can't use my keyboard or mouse
[13:54] <slayton> I can CNTL+ALT+F1 to get a terminal
[13:54] <shane2peru> nemo: ahh, not sure in that case.
[13:54] <slayton> what can I do?
[13:54] <nemo> shane2peru: I've been tempted, I just wish they wouldn't waste all that space on a touchpad
[13:55] <slayton> I've read that I should changed my xorg.conf, but other places I've read that you should no longer edit xorg.conf in 8.10
[13:55] <slayton> ??????
[13:55] <shane2peru> nemo: one second I'm getting the command to run to find out.l
[13:55] <nemo> slayton: copy your xorg.conf to a pastebin so we can look
[13:55] <nemo> slayton: er.
[13:55] <nemo> your Xorg log
[13:55] <nemo> sorry
[13:55] <nemo> well, the .conf too I guess, just in case ;)
[13:55] <nemo> slayton: is there anything special about your keyboard and mouse?
[13:55] <slayton> well I can't copy any of it as I can't use the keyboard on the computer
[13:56] <slayton> no its new hardware
[13:56] <shane2peru> nemo: ahh, I guess you need to have an ubuntu, or Linux installed for this:  uname -m
[13:56] <slayton> its a t400 laptop
[13:56] <nemo> slayton: well, if ctrl-alt-f1 works
[13:56] <nemo> slayton: means it is only not working in X
[13:56] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  I just upgraded my thinkpad t43p to Intrepid; the keyboard config is somewhat screwed.  For one, the keycodes are not what they used to be.  Left arrow gives 113, which ralt used to give.  ralt gives 108 (sym KP_Enter).  How do I get the keycode mapping I had before?
[13:56] <nemo> slayton: so, sign in at a terminal, and scp it to another machine
[13:56] <slayton> ok
[13:56] <nemo> slayton: or, ssh into the machine. whatever.
[13:56] <louise> where can I get a 32bit iso image of intrepid ibex from?
[13:56] <slayton> but the network card isn't working either...
[13:56] <shane2peru> louise: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[13:56] <slayton> its brand new Lenovo hardware its really painful
[13:56] <louise> shane2peru, thanks
[13:56] <nemo> slayton: btw, even with kbd/mouse screwed, you can probably get a graphical env on that machine using ssh -YC or nomachine.
[13:57] <slayton> b/c most of the stuff doens't work
[13:57] <shane2peru> louise: no prob
[13:57] <nemo> slayton: did you check linux compatibility *before* buying it? :)
[13:57] <slayton> nemo, how do I setup the eth card in the terminal?
[13:57] <nemo> slayton: what is the model?
[13:57] <slayton> so actually it isn't my laptop its a guy I work with, and no he didn't
[13:58] <slayton> its the lenovo t400
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: why not ssh in from another machine?  would be easier
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: you could run your graphical utils
[13:58] <slayton> nemo, but I can't log in
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: or setup nomachine on it
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: DUDE
[13:58] <slayton> how can I run the graphical utils without the keyboard
[13:58] <nemo> are you being deliberately dense?
[13:58] <slayton> no
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: I said ssh in
[13:58] <nemo> slayton: ssh -YC
[13:58] <slayton> but the network isn't working
[13:58] <nemo> heh. fine.
[13:59] <slayton> from above: nemo, how do I setup the eth card in the terminal?
[13:59] <nemo> then connect in on a terminal I guess, going to be more painful
[13:59] <nemo> slayton: odd that the ethernet card would need "setting up"
[13:59] <shane2peru> slayton, you have no keyboard and no eth0?
[13:59] <slayton> shane2peru, correct
[13:59] <shane2peru> nemo: on my new laptop I didn't have a eth0 network either
[13:59] <shane2peru> slayton: wow, that is not good.
[14:00] <slayton> when I switch to the terminal and run: ifconfig all I get is the loopback
[14:00]  * nemo looks up the specs on the lenovo t400
[14:00] <nemo> slayton: ifconfig eth0
[14:00] <shane2peru> slayton: did you try to install Hardy?
[14:00] <slayton> yes, but the hardware isn't supported by hardy
[14:00] <shane2peru> slayton: you at least need a keyboard to get work done
[14:00] <slayton> shane2peru, I know
[14:00] <slayton> its a really bad situation
[14:00] <nemo> slayton: atheros wifi?
[14:00] <slayton> I've told the guy to wait until the official release of Intrepid
[14:01] <slayton> yes
[14:01] <nemo> slayton: no cable?
[14:01] <nemo> slayton: going to have to manually copy over the madwifi stuff. ugh
[14:01] <slayton> yes but for some reason that doesn't work either
[14:01] <nemo> madwifi-ng
[14:01] <jonaskoelker> no help?
[14:01] <bsnider> slayton, which atheros chip?
[14:02] <slayton> its a new intel gigE card that has made current headlines (ubuntu wiping the firmware and all) so I've been really careful with the eth adapter
[14:02] <nemo> anyway, not a machine I'd pick to install linux on if you don't know your way around the terminal - looks like specialised hardware and few other users
[14:02] <bsnider> slayton, that bug was fixed weeks ago
[14:03] <tlacuache> hey, i was about to upgrade to and play with the intrepid RC, but i've read a few rumors about the restritcted nvidia drivers breaking X. can anyone with personal experience confirm or deny?
[14:03] <bsnider> tlacuache, you heard wrong
[14:03] <U238Willy> orly?
[14:04] <slayton> right so the reason I came here to ask for help wasn't really with the network adapters. I'm pretty sure I can fix those. I was more looking to find out what was going on with the keyboard in X
[14:04] <nemo> slayton: odd. no reports of kbd/mouse issues in X for the t400
[14:04] <nemo> slayton: and this is a fresh install right?
[14:04] <Bl4ckP0pe> has any one a Broadcom wireless card on Laptop? On my machine the wl driver loads if I select the 2.26.27-4 kernel from grub @ bootime, but if I go with the kernel I mainly want to use, ie 2.26.27-7, the module is not there. How can I fix this?
[14:04] <slayton> but I guess I can't fix that without a NIC
[14:04] <slayton> or atleast get the xorg.conf of
[14:04] <slayton> off
[14:04] <U238Willy> my nvidia drivers are broke
[14:04] <nemo> slayton: anyway, can you copy that xorg log to a USB drive so we can look?
[14:04] <tlacuache> bsnider: ok, cool. i kind of figured since it would be a pretty big deal it that were true. thanks.
[14:04] <slayton> yes I'll give that a try
[14:04] <nemo> slayton: maybe at same time as you are copying over the madwifi-ng stuff
[14:04] <nemo> (erm, assuming that's the right card - you did say atheros)
[14:05] <U238Willy> but have fun and good luck tlacuache
[14:06] <tlacuache> ﻿U238Willy: sorry, missed what you said first. hm... well, that's not promising.
[14:07] <bsnider> U238Willy, how do you mean 'broke'?
[14:08] <slayton> nemo, yes it is the atheros card
[14:09] <evandar> hi, is it normal that since upgrade xorg is running on tty9?
[14:11] <bsnider> tlacuache, what's your hardware?
[14:13] <tlacuache> dell precision m6300 laptop, quadro fx 1600M graphics processor
[14:13] <tlacuache> currently running nvidia driver 169.12
[14:13] <bsnider> you shouldn't have any issues then
[14:14] <bsnider> that's a workstation laptop. must have cost a fortune
[14:14] <tlacuache> the company bought it. :)
[14:15] <bsnider> right
[14:15] <atlef> just did an upgrade to ibex, and all is well
[14:15] <atlef> nice
[14:16] <tlacuache> i think i'll bite the bullet, then. i guess the worst that can happen is i disable the proprietary nvidia drivers or (complete worst-case) re-install 8.04.
[14:16] <U238Willy> broke as in the initial upgrade looked good but kept going to 1600x1200... so i d/l'd the proprietary drivers as requested... that left me with a broken kdm and nothing but a tty
[14:17] <bsnider> U238Willy, what's your monitor's native resolution?
[14:17] <U238Willy> wherein i backtracked to a vesa driver and switched out the xorg.conf so it would work... then I d/l'd the direct linux driver from nvidia
[14:17] <U238Willy> which didn't compile.. i think because i had the latest kernel and it couldn't find or create kernel components
[14:18] <dulak> this is nifty, I can't get to a tty since going to 8.10
[14:18] <U238Willy> I don't know what my native is.. but I know what I've used on this screen since 6.10
[14:18] <bsnider> U238Willy, what hardware do you have?
[14:18] <U238Willy> which is 1024x768.... nvidia geforce2-gts/pro
[14:19] <U238Willy> the old 71 driver
[14:19] <bsnider> oh. that hardware isn't supported anymore. the old driver won't work with the new x server. if you want to continue using that driver, use hardy.
[14:20] <U238Willy> or so i was told by nvidia.. which as I said wouldn't compile or didn't have kernel components to compile though I did d/l the restricted modules...
[14:21] <bsnider> anything >= geforce 5k will work with the new x server
[14:21] <bsnider> so if you havet he opportunity to upgrade the hardware, you can get it to work that way
[14:22] <U238Willy> that's an interesting stance
[14:22] <bsnider> that's the truth. i don'
[14:22] <bsnider> i don't work for nvidia
[14:23] <U238Willy> but ubuntu or linux infact was never so... upgrade/hardware specific.
[14:23] <bsnider> has nothing to do with ubuntu specifically
[14:23] <dulak> nvidia are bastards
[14:23] <U238Willy> the point was that people could recycle older hardware and keep it running via linux
[14:23] <tlacuache> you can. :) hardy is LTS.
[14:23] <jonaskoelker> anyone care to help me a little?
[14:23] <bsnider> furthermore, the new x server requires sse, so older cpus won't work with it
[14:24] <shmengie> How many compiz-decorator instances should there be?
[14:24] <atlef> jonaskoelker: ask, and you shall receive. :-)
[14:24] <atlef> maybe
[14:25] <jonaskoelker> I'm on intrepid, thinkpad t43p; in X, my scancode-keycode mapping is screwed.  How do I unscrew it?
[14:25] <tlacuache> well, thanks for the input. ttyl
[14:25] <jonaskoelker> when everything you have is a screwdriver... ;)
[14:26] <jonaskoelker> screwed means that with a sane keyboard layout (dvorak), a lot of the non-letter keys don't map from scancodes through keycodes to keysyms that match wath the label on the plastic says
[14:26] <atlef> jonaskoelker: not sure what that means, sorry
[14:26] <jonaskoelker> okay... anybody else?
[14:27] <shmengie> System->preferences->keyboard ?
[14:28] <jonaskoelker> hang on, I'll just reinstall the xserver version that starts up
[14:28] <atlef> jonaskoelker: have you had a look in the keyboard item under preferences?
[14:28] <jonaskoelker> yep
[14:29] <jonaskoelker> exactly what should I do in there?  I can choose a keyboard model for thinkpad t60-something
[14:29] <jonaskoelker> that's not what I have, and that's not what works
[14:29] <U238Willy> well... no offence but I think your biased as the main ubuntu page for 8.10 doesn't state what you say for X... and neither does x.org... so if you're correct.. then they're being duplicitous
[14:30] <atlef> jonaskoelker: synaptic offers "keymapper", see if that helps
[14:31] <slayton> nemo, here is xorg.conf
[14:31] <xxploit> anyone know if there was some kind of update to packagekit, mine seems to be borked now
[14:31] <slayton> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63266/
[14:32] <jonaskoelker> atlef: AIUI, the problem isn't the keymap (which maps keycodes to -syms), but the model (which maps scancodes to keycodes)
[14:32] <jonaskoelker> anyone, is my understanding of the significance of xkbmodel correct?
[14:32] <atlef> jonaskoelker: ok, then i am at a loss
[14:33] <NET||abuse> hi all. i wanted to sync my tomboy notes between my 2 laptops and my work desktop.. how can i do this ? I have a web server i can use, ssh up to a file in a user account or something?
[14:34] <NET||abuse> i open up conduit and i'm finding it a little unclear how to define the sync destintion..
[14:34] <NET||abuse> and scp data provider would be nice, doesn't seem to be available.
[14:34] <NET||abuse> scp/sftp whatever
[14:35] <NET||abuse> other than that, i have a small list of issues with my new eeepc 1000h :)
[14:36] <bsnider> U238Willy, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=121444 read zander's message
[14:36] <bsnider> that message was left 7 days ago
[14:38] <bsnider> but if your cpu doesn't have sse it still won't work, and you can't blame that on nvidia
[14:38] <U238Willy> well p4 1.4ghz
[14:38] <U238Willy> sse maybe?
[14:38] <bsnider> yeah, so it will work on your system
[14:38] <bsnider> but you still should upgrade
[14:39] <bsnider> their new opengl 3 driver will require geforce 8k or greater
[14:40] <U238Willy> i have a 'newer' windows machine...this box which I went to linux for wasn't for speed, newness, or power, but to run the many simple programs without sapping the stronger machine with menial tasks.
[14:41] <U238Willy> such as email, messaging, irc, rss, torrents, notes, etc.
[14:41] <bsnider> so basically, all of your computing tasks
[14:41] <bsnider> do you use the windows machine as a doorstop?
[14:42] <U238Willy> no.. this machine doesn't have the power to really run h.264 video or other graphically intensive tasks
[14:42] <bsnider> i c
[14:42] <U238Willy> but checking email isn't graphically intensive.
[14:42] <U238Willy> or sending emails the the copier for printing isn't either.
[14:42] <bsnider> linux is better for video playback than the other platforms though
[14:42] <U238Willy> *to the
[14:42] <bsnider> but obviously not for playing games, if that's the issue
[14:43] <U238Willy> i don't play games
[14:43] <bsnider> that being the case, i don't see the point of using windows
[14:43] <U238Willy> however another thing which is out of my control is that the database service (real estate) requires IE to login...
[14:43] <bsnider> no problem. set up a virtual machine and load xp into it
[14:44] <U238Willy> not going to fiddle with things that far
[14:44] <U238Willy> no point.. it works and it does what it needs to do.
[14:44] <bsnider> actually xp is far more stable and quick running in virtualbox than it normally is
[14:44] <U238Willy> so does this linux box
[14:45] <U238Willy> suffice it to say there's more programs which are xp specific and I'm not going to waste time trying to get them all to work properly.
[14:45] <bsnider> if you say so, sir
[14:45] <U238Willy> *on a linux/wine/VB
[14:45] <jamesish> Hey folks; I upgraded to intrepid and I'm getting a problem in evolution whereby all of my incoming email for the second email account I set up is receiving a "Junk Check Failed". I don't have junk checking enabled. Any ideas?
[14:47] <vmelo> hi there, is there any trouble with usb devices after recent updates?
[14:47] <U238Willy> to those who want to take the time and go that route... more power to them.  XP works for what I need it to do.. and linux does too.. add quicksynergy and I'm doing great *this slight video issue notwithstanding*
[14:47] <Bl4ckP0pe> has anyone Broadcom wireless card on Laptop, BCM4328? On my machine, the wl driver loads if I select the 2.6.27-4 kernel from grub @ bootime, but if I go with the default kernel I want to use, ie 2.6.27-7, the module is not there. How can I fix this?
[14:48] <Bl4ckP0pe> vmelo, no problems with all updates 2dy for USB
[14:49] <vmelo> Bl4ckP0pe: my printer presents communication troubles after updates :/
[14:50] <slayton> did support for intel 82567 get disabled in the latest linux kernel?
[14:51] <Bl4ckP0pe> @ Bsnider - did you try sound playback/recording on XP.sp3 inside vBox 2.0.2?? It was very bad 2 days ago
[14:51] <bsnider> no
[14:51] <bsnider> i wouldn't record sound in xp. sound playback was fine last time i checked
[14:52] <Bl4ckP0pe> did you try install VMware 6.5.0?
[14:52] <bsnider> i view xp as a second-rate service whose purpose is to run win32 programs. i wouldn't do anything serious on xp (like sound recording or editing).
[14:53] <Bl4ckP0pe> I wanted to use Dragon voice recognition inside vBox, but the sound out was crap and in was worse
[14:54] <Bl4ckP0pe> did you try install VMware 6.5.0? does it have better interface to Ibex?
[14:54] <bsnider> vmware is harder to set up than vbox
[14:55] <Bl4ckP0pe> I am stuck tryingg to set it up, which kernel is best?
[14:55] <bsnider> i don't know
[14:56] <joaopinto> vmware is very easy to setup
[14:57] <bsnider> isn't there a forum howto about that?
[14:57] <Bl4ckP0pe> ok, joaopinto, pls help me, does it work for latest ibex kernel?
[14:57] <joaopinto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[14:57] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, didn't tried yet
[14:58] <joaopinto> but please go with vmware 1.x, I have founder 2.x slower and hard to use for desktop virtualization
[14:58] <Bl4ckP0pe> do you have it running? which kern?
[14:58] <joaopinto> found
[14:58] <joaopinto> I have it running on hardy
[14:58] <cambridgecow> Can anyone tell me why an intel 1000e adapter isn't showing up under intrepid?
[14:59] <Bl4ckP0pe> how is audiocard interface, any extra crackles / noise / lag??
[14:59] <Bl4ckP0pe> that 1000e card is blacklisted from kernel I think
[14:59] <Bl4ckP0pe> it can get damaged until a fix for driver is produced
[15:00] <bsnider> no it is not
[15:00] <bsnider> that bug was fixed weeks ago
[15:00] <bsnider> cambridgecow, which version of intrepid are you running?
[15:00] <Bl4ckP0pe> oops, maybe I'm wrong
[15:00] <cambridgecow> a build from thursday
[15:01] <bsnider> which kernel?
[15:01] <Bl4ckP0pe> joaopinto, how is audiocard interface on your Hardy VMware setup, any extra crackles / noise / lag??
[15:02] <cambridgecow> bsnider, 2.6.14-16
[15:02] <cambridgecow> bsnider, 2.6.24-16
[15:02] <eagles0513875> where can i download the rc iso from
[15:02] <bsnider> wrong kernel
[15:03] <cambridgecow> so where do I get the correct kernel?
[15:03] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, tested it with a few games, worked fine
[15:03] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, www.ubuntu.com
[15:03] <bsnider> cambridgecow, you've got some issues, sir. the latest kernel is 2.6.27-7
[15:03] <Bl4ckP0pe> what's the difference with VM 1.0 v 2.0?
[15:03] <cambridgecow> bsnider, is that kernel in the RC?
[15:04] <bsnider> cambridgecow, yes it is
[15:04] <cambridgecow> why would I get 2.6.24 in the beta?
[15:04] <joaopinto> Bl4ckP0pe, read on the vmware site :)
[15:04] <bsnider> cambridgecow, you downloaded an iso image?
[15:04] <eagles0513875> the problem is i have upgraded from hardy to intrepid rc and things r acting screwy which has always seemded the case for when i do a network upgrade over internet from one release to another
[15:04] <cambridgecow> yes
[15:04] <cambridgecow> from ubuntu.com
[15:04] <eagles0513875> cambridgecow: where did u download it
[15:04] <Bl4ckP0pe> yo, ok!
[15:05] <eagles0513875> im not seeing anything for an rc though
[15:05] <cambridgecow> k I'll try the RC candidate
[15:05] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[15:05] <eagles0513875> ty
[15:05] <bsnider> !daily
[15:06] <Bl4ckP0pe> anybody know about broadcom LKM 'wl' for 802.11n wireless cards?
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Bl4ckP0pe: hate to put a damper on this but broadcom is notorious for not providing linux drivers thank god there are some people who are reverse engineering them
[15:07] <eagles0513875> !broadcom
[15:07] <Bl4ckP0pe> how to get prebuilt 'wl' module from Intrepid repository?
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Bl4ckP0pe: dunno
[15:08] <Bl4ckP0pe> No, they have released a new driver in July I think, with Dell + Canonical assistance
[15:08] <Bl4ckP0pe> it replaces bcm43xx
[15:09] <eagles0513875> Bl4ckP0pe: what bout people like me on my older laptop that has a 4306 wifi card
[15:09] <eagles0513875> what gonna happen then
[15:09] <Bl4ckP0pe> it works great with kern 2.6.27-4, but I cannot find it under 27-7
[15:09] <Randomskk> hi everyone, I've got ubuntu installed and set up encrypted lvm over two drives, installation was fine but on boot grub tries to boot from hd0,0 instead of 1,0 (it tries 0,0 by uuid), I can fix that from grub
[15:09] <Randomskk> when I then boot up
[15:09] <Randomskk> it asks for the passphrase for one drive and unlocks it
[15:09] <Randomskk> then waits for the root file system to be available
[15:10] <Randomskk> while lvm can't bring up the root filesystem since the logical group is over two encrypted drives
[15:10] <Randomskk> in short I need to get it to ask to unlock the second drive as well as the first so lvm can come up
[15:10] <Randomskk> I get a busybox shell
[15:10] <Bl4ckP0pe> I think it is for BCM4312 series chips, 4328 also works fine, 4306 I think not, sorry
[15:10] <eagles0513875> B
[15:11] <eagles0513875> Bl4ckP0pe: u scared me cuz i thought they would be discontinuing the driver and for that particular card
[15:12] <Bl4ckP0pe> eagle, maybe drink less kofi?
[15:13] <Bl4ckP0pe> just joking, I know you are a pious Mormon ";0)
[15:15] <Bl4ckP0pe> Broadcom new wireless driver for Linux -- http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-user/173630-new-broadcom-wi-fi-drivers.html
[15:16] <eagles0513875> kool Bl4ckP0pe
[15:19] <Bl4ckP0pe>  	[ubuntu] installing Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA driver  --- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5996614
[15:19] <Randomskk> how can I edit files from within busybox?
[15:19] <Miesco> Hi my computer randomly crashes... I cant hit ctrl+alt+F1, cant do nothing, my mouse wont move, have to cold boot.  Is this happening to anyone else?
[15:19] <Miesco> Is there a way to troubleshoot this?
[15:21] <Miesco> It happens a while in, I stopped cron and my screensaver...
[15:22] <BigPapaJ> Hello there! I've got some trouble with the grafical Hardware Manager in ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex - i would like to install the nvidia drivers now over the terminal - anybody ideas who i can do this? sry my english is pretty bad ^^
[15:24] <Miesco> K hopefully this upgrade will fix it :)
[15:25] <Bl4ckP0pe> http://djkaos.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/installing-broadcom-80211-linux-sta-driver/
[15:26] <Miesco> So how do I set up my xorg.conf now?
[15:27] <Delvien_> what?
[15:31] <glade88> hi.. can someone help with kubuntu? I accidentally set OpenGL mode to Fallback and now X restarts on attempt to start. I have created a new user (Was guided at #kde for the same), but it would be really good if I could use the old account as it is. How do I change settings for desktop effects?
[15:34] <void^> BigPapaJ: just install the driver package you want, nvidia-glx-177 for example
[15:34] <U238Willy> glade88 -- two things... first part, i dunno (ask in #kubuntu-kde4 maybe?) 2nd part.. desktop effects is in system setting -> desktop -> desktop effects
[15:35] <BigPapaJ> void^: thx!
[15:36] <glade88> U238Willy: thanks, but I cant access that as my X is not starting..
[15:37] <linuxpoet> I just upgraded to the latest beta and now I can't ssh to any clients (was working perfectly in hardy)
[15:38] <U238Willy> ah... that's was in your first part. no idea there.  I know you can run 'sudo systemsettings' but it'll probably complain that it can't find X.
[15:38] <linuxpoet> just hangs here: debug2: callback done
[15:38] <linuxpoet> debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
[15:40] <shmengie> isn't  /etc/compizconfig/config for enabling/disabling?
[15:42] <atlef> !ccsm | shmengie:
[15:42] <harisund> I am sorry if this topic has been beaten to death already, here or elsewhere, but in any case how do I run 8.10 as a VirtualBox guest? Why does it not recognize the hard disk / iso image inside VirtualBox?
[15:44] <atlef> harisund: do you have any other os'es installed in virtualbox?
[15:44] <shmengie> ubottu: is it okay to install both?
[15:45] <atlef> shmengie: compizconfig-settings-manager will give you more options
[15:45] <shmengie> I have that
[15:45] <shmengie> But I can't figure out how to stop the alt-tab icons from getting garbaged
[15:46] <shmengie> I could disable screen saver :-/
[15:46] <shmengie> But I also have  a computer that won't load X.
[15:46] <atlef> shmengie: then #compiz-fusion is the right place to ask your question.
[15:46] <shmengie> Well It loads X, but crashes shortly after the startup drum beat.
[15:47] <shmengie> I tried to disable compiz w /etc/compizconfig
[15:48] <shmengie> photon: don't u feel small
[15:49] <harisund> atlef: No ... On my Windows host, VirtualBox has no other guest OSes, but on my Fedora Core host, I have a Ubuntu 8.04 VirtualBox guest
[15:49] <photon> shmengie: I have a mass of 0, so yes :(
[15:49] <atlef> harisund: ok
[15:50] <atlef> harisund: then i do not know. maybe try to install 8.10 in your fedora
[15:51] <atlef> gtg
[15:51] <harisund> 8.10 guest gives the same error irrespective of the host .. :( I even tried it on 8.04 host
[15:54] <Randomskk> anyone good with lvm here?
[15:54] <linuxpoet> Anybody having problems with ssh after intrepid upgrade?
[15:54] <linuxpoet> All of a sudden, I can't get a shell anywhere
[15:54] <linuxpoet> I can however auth
[15:57] <eagles0513875> linuxpoet: i didnt
[15:57] <eagles0513875> i got shell and everything
[15:57] <eagles0513875> im having other issues and im backing up all my data off my server and doing an clean install
[15:59] <NET||abuse> hey all,, i made an ubuntu live usb stick and now i need to revert it back to a blank usb stick and restore the files I backed up from it before.. how do i re-format it?
[15:59] <graingert> NET||abuse: mkfs
[15:59] <NET||abuse> graingert: mkfs.. hm
[15:59] <graingert> NET||abuse: gparted might even do it
[16:00] <NET||abuse> don't seem to have gparted..
[16:00] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: sudo apt-get install gparted
[16:00] <NET||abuse> doing so :)
[16:00] <NET||abuse> grr, passwords
[16:07] <NET||abuse> wow, if you have half a clue, gparted is damn easy
[16:08] <NET||abuse> eagles0513875: thanks again, that's twice this weekend you've helped me :)
[16:08] <NET||abuse> graingert: and to you too :)
[16:09] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: :) no prob pro
[16:10] <eagles0513875> thats what the open source and linux community is about
[16:10] <randomskk> anyone here using kubuntu 8.10 with dual screens?
[16:10] <NET||abuse> right, on to seeing how to sync my tomboy notes between the eee and the work desktop
[16:10] <NET||abuse> eagles0513875: you use conduit?
[16:10] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: no i dont
[16:10] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: join #eeepc
[16:11] <eagles0513875> lol its for eee pc people they might help u out with certain things as well
[16:11] <lbt> hi - we just upgraded to 8.10 to help test. The hibernate isn't working. I suspect it is because I upgraded the RAM to 3Gb and there isn't enough swap. However it does seem to try to hibernate and eventually just powers off.
[16:11] <NET||abuse> thanks, ok i have.. i'll chase up my eee related stuff there.. thanks.
[16:11] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: no prob
[16:11] <wolfie2x> question Power Manager: How does it consider if the machine is *inactive*? when no mouse clicks or keypresses?
[16:12] <graingert> NET||abuse: np
[16:13] <IdleOne> NET||abuse: gparted is easy to use but can be intimidating for fist time user. I know I was very worried the first time I used it to partition
[16:13] <ad_> hey im trying to install yelp-dbgsym=2.24.0-0ubuntu2.8.10 to backtrace a bug on intrepiud but cant seem to install it any help guys?
[16:14] <IdleOne> ad_: any errors?
[16:14] <ad_> E: Version ‘2.24.0-0ubuntu2.8.10’ for ‘yelp-dbgsym’ was not found
[16:14] <NET||abuse> IdleOne: ahh, altering file systems doesn't scare me. I used ot do nutso things like be a tester for the linux-ntfs project, so if recompiling kernel level support for file systems doesn't phase me, gparted isn't much to worry about.
[16:14] <compilerwriter> I installed TkDiff from the repos but it is not showing up in my menu, even after a restart, is there a way for me to add it manually or will I just have to fire it off from a terminal window?
[16:15] <ad_> i run gdb gedit 2>&1 | tee gdb-gedit.txt
[16:16] <ad_> (no debugging symbols found)(gdb)
[16:21] <wolfie2x> intrepid issue: Power Manager thinks the system is inactive when I'm copying files over the network.. bug?
[16:23] <ShackJack> HI all - here's a weird one... When in the GUI, if I adjust my screen brightness on the laptop (using a Fn/Key Combo), the keyboard input and certain gui menu functions go dead. I can get it back by toggling command line/GUI (Ctrl-Alt+F1/F7)... Any tips on how to correct?
[16:24] <lbt> OK, I'll log (another) hibernate bug then :)
[16:25] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: I have a similar issue.. whats ur laptop?
[16:26] <ShackJack> wolfie2x: A Dell Inspriron E1505... aka 600 0Series... Tried changin kb layout in setting to no effect...
[16:27] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: wait i'm looking for the bug report i logged
[16:28] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: mine is a Inspiron 9400
[16:28] <Kimf> I have a quite non standard problem, but might be related to a more general problem. I have vista on a raid 0 on sata 1,2 and a non raid disk on sata3 (nvidia bios raid). I'm trying to install intrepid to the non raid drive and at the moment booting it from grub4dos from the vista boot menu with the menu.lst that is generated and in /boot/grub/ but I just end up with busybox at initramfs
[16:28] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288579
[16:28] <ShackJack> wolfie2x: IS it dpkg-reconfigure kbd or something to reconfig keyboard?
[16:29] <Kimf> (Installing from the alternate build from the 22.10 at the moment)
[16:29] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: sorry i'm not an expert either
[16:30] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: does ur other keys battery,wifi working?
[16:31] <ShackJack> wolfie2x: Checking - what does the battery one do anyway?
[16:31] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: I think it should show an on-screen-display with battery level just like the brightness OSD
[16:32] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: does the wifi show an OSD?
[16:32] <ad_> should I make a bug report for the open/close animations not working on my Intrepid?
[16:32] <aLeSD___> hi all
[16:32] <aLeSD___> mmm
[16:32] <lbt> so I used gparted and extended my swap from 1.8Gb to 4Gb (3Gb RAM) and did a hibernate again. It went to text mode with a flashing cursor, lots of disk then (as when it failed b4) I got the message: btusb_intr_complete hci0 urb f600a000 failed to resubmit (2). It wouldn't restore :(
[16:33] <aLeSD___> I can't find vlc or mplayer in the repository of ibex.
[16:33] <ShackJack> wolfie2x: The Fn volume ones work - not battery (though I don't know if ever did) and the Fn Keypad one's don't work...
[16:33] <aLeSD___> is it normal ?
[16:33] <aLeSD___> and ... I added the medibuntu repositoru
[16:33] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: here's another bug report but it seems to be thinkpad specific    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/272292
[16:34] <aLeSD___> but no googlearth in ... I mean 64bit ibex
[16:34] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: I've been trying to find a fix for the brightness problem for weeks but no luck
[16:34] <aLeSD___> r u sure that the ibex will be oficially in 3 days ?
[16:35] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: that's the plan
[16:35] <aLeSD___> i found a bug on the networking
[16:35] <aLeSD___> a big bug
[16:36] <aLeSD___> I think dhcpclient cause it ...
[16:36] <lbt> I used gparted to change the swap file and it appears to have changed the UUID and not updated /etc/fstab - so it's not using swap on the next reboot.
[16:36] <wolfie2x> ShackJack: can you add a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288579 describing ur issue?
[16:36] <Kimf> Anyone know anything about my problem? Or where else to look/ask?
[16:36] <aLeSD___> I don't know but the interface module ... i think enter in deadlock
[16:36] <aLeSD___> or something like
[16:37] <aLeSD___> I need to reload the module
[16:37] <aLeSD___> and set it by the terminal
[16:37] <aLeSD___> if I use dhclients it goes crazy
[16:38] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: have u filed a bug report?
[16:38] <aLeSD___> I have the same problem with 3 computers
[16:38] <aLeSD___> I mean it's not a hw specific stuff
[16:38] <aLeSD___> different hw
[16:39] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: log a bug report
[16:39] <aLeSD___> where ?
[16:40] <ShackJack> wolfie2x: Work stuff - brb
[16:40] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[16:40] <aLeSD___> is canolical offices in south america ?
[16:41] <aLeSD___> mmm
[16:41] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: no idea
[16:41] <aLeSD___> stupid question
[16:41] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: u can also post ur issue here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=346
[16:42] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: forum for intrepid testing
[16:43] <wolfie2x> aLeSD___: people there usually know if it's known bug or will help u with reporting a new bug
[16:43] <alpha> Can someone please help me out with this issue.  I have 2x 24" Dell monitors that i want to use  with 8.10.  I have the newest nvidia software loaded and both monitors are displaying data.  The issue is that monitor 2 needs to be setup to rotate 90deg counter clock wise since it is set to display in vertical position and not horizontal.  Anyone know how i can do this?
[16:46] <shmengie> nvidia-settings
[16:46] <shmengie> apt-get
[16:46] <alpha> shmengie: i have it installed already there seems to be no option to rotate though
[16:46] <alpha> unlike the windows version
[16:46] <shmengie> Might need to run both terminals on separate X windows.
[16:47] <shmengie> Err separate displays.
[16:47] <alpha> shmengie: i can do that, just cant drag windows between them then .. right ?
[16:47] <shmengie> right  I believe.
[16:47] <shmengie> I haven't worked with them much
[16:48] <larsemil> can i do a netinstall of the RC of 8.10?
[16:48] <alpha> well i will try that once all thse updates finish
[16:48] <alpha> lol
[16:49] <shmengie> update-manager -d
[16:49] <shmengie> larsemil: I think that's the command
[16:54] <maxb> What is the proper way to disable an entry in /usr/share/gnome/autostart/*.desktop on a per-user basis?
[16:55] <mnemoc> larsemil: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[17:03] <maxb> gnome-session-properties, it turns out
[17:03] <Dr3mro> any one here tried ubuntu 8.10 what about boot speed improvement
[17:03] <nemo> odd. why does this one machine not have an "art manager"
[17:03] <nemo> but my other machine does?
[17:03] <nemo> still puzzled as to where all my gtk themes went too
[17:03] <nemo> perhaps they were from medibuntu
[17:03] <nemo> media
[17:07] <mini-man> Hi, having some problems running wolfenstein ET, I get "could not load OpenGL subsystem", so I did glxinfo, and I get a bunch of "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."
[17:07] <nemo> hm. if I search synaptic for gtk engine, I don't see them. sooo, they must have been dropped or elsewhere.
[17:07] <nemo> the art manager thing is odd though
[17:08] <mini-man> I had the mesa headers... but just in case I installed the nvidia-177-dev package, but that didn't seem to help..
[17:08] <nemo> mini-man: pastebin your xorg log
[17:08] <nemo> and your xorg conf file, such as it is
[17:08] <mini-man> from glxinfo?
[17:08] <nemo> no
[17:08] <nemo>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:08] <nemo> or somesuch
[17:08] <mini-man> ah
[17:08] <nemo> and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:09] <mini-man> nemo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/63309/
[17:10] <Dr3mro> any one here tried ubuntu 8.10 what about boot speed improvement
[17:10] <nemo> Dr3mro: I'm on it, but didn't really pay attention, and not going to reboot just for you :)
[17:10] <nemo> I suspect others fall into a similar camp
[17:10] <Dr3mro> nemo, i did no ask any one to reboot
[17:10] <nemo> Dr3mro: anyway, biggest boot speed improvements IMO are from parallel startup
[17:10] <sam__> hi when i boot 8.10 i just geta  boot soncole
[17:10] <sam__> console*
[17:10] <Dr3mro> nemo, i just wanna know
[17:10] <nemo> Dr3mro: just explaining lack of answers
[17:11] <TedC> The intrepid upgrader seems to ignore my sources.list and tries to download all of the packages it needs from archive.ubuntu.com.  Is that how it's supposed to work?
[17:11] <nemo> TedC: updater does override your source list
[17:11] <sorush20> hellllllo..
[17:11] <nemo> TedC: you can reenable it after
[17:11] <Dr3mro> nemo, so did it improved form last version 8.04
[17:11] <sorush20> how do I update the ntp server in gnome 8.10
[17:11] <sorush20> lala
[17:11] <Dr3mro> is it faster than 8.04
[17:11] <nemo> Dr3mro: seems so to me
[17:11] <sorush20> !ntp
[17:12] <TedC> nemo: That's annoying.  I have a full mirror on my local LAN.  When everyone tries to upgrade next week, no-one's going to be able to.
[17:12] <sam__> anyone know why im getting a boot console
[17:12] <nemo> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[17:12] <nemo> mini-man: ^^^
[17:12] <Dr3mro> nemo, can u roughly suggest no less than 30 sec or more up to minute or more than 1 minute
[17:12] <nemo> TedC: meh. could do the update yourself
[17:12] <mini-man> nemo, so what do I do? I have the latest nvidia-glx-177..
[17:12] <mini-man> should I downgrade?
[17:12] <nemo> Dr3mro: I wasn't at my computer when it rebooted. so no clue.
[17:12] <nemo> Dr3mro: I thought when you meant "faster" you meant in general
[17:13] <TedC> nemo: hmmmm
[17:13] <nemo> Dr3mro: I haven't even checked to see if it has parallel startup enabled by default
[17:13] <nemo> mini-man: are you sure?
[17:13]  * nemo reads the log some more
[17:13] <Dr3mro> nemo, ok thnks
[17:14] <nemo> ah. yep. libglx does seem to be from nvidia
[17:14] <nemo> not the nv driver
[17:14] <mini-man> nemo, positive
[17:14] <nemo> mini-man: what's your card?
[17:14] <sam__> can anyone helpme :<
[17:14] <nemo> n/m
[17:14] <nemo> that's in there too
[17:14] <nemo> I need to get better at log reading :)
[17:15] <nemo> hm. not that different from my card
[17:16] <ulaas> i have 24" mac-tel aluminum,  i have no sound at all. but i can see many devices with the volume-control. tried all bars up :) i am on intrepid
[17:16] <sam__> is there a safe mode on ubuntu?
[17:16] <randomskk> I've got two encrypted partitions and together they make the volume group that holds my root partition
[17:16] <ikonia> yup
[17:16] <randomskk> but at bootup, it only tries to decrypt one of them
[17:16] <nemo> mini-man: mine's a 7300 LE - and using identical driver. hum.
[17:16] <randomskk> as a result, it fails to mount the root partition and dumps me to a busybox shell
[17:17] <mini-man> nemo, :]
[17:17] <Daekdroom> Well. Here I go.
[17:17] <randomskk> if I manually decrypt the second encrypted partition in the busybox shell (cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 sdb2_crypt) and then exit the shell, it can boot normally and everything works
[17:17] <randomskk> so I need to get it to ask for both passphrases before trying to mount root
[17:17] <nemo> mini-man: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/285565 - your bug I 'spose.
[17:17] <acuster> can anyone expand on the Release notes' evdev keymapping issue?
[17:17] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev not try to modprobe a module? Blacklist doesn't work.
[17:17] <acuster> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[17:17] <randomskk> I can find the part that's actually asking for the passphrase but I can't find what calls it, which is where the list of encrypted partitions is
[17:18] <randomskk> I think it's trying to just decrypt one volume to get at the root drive with the intention of decrypting the other one later
[17:18] <mini-man> nemo, so nothing I can do?
[17:18] <randomskk> does anyone know where I could look to get it to decrypt both?
[17:18] <mini-man> nemo, besides running W:ET in wine :D
[17:18] <sorush20> my ubuntu is not updating time to uk time help
[17:18] <nemo> mini-man: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=966d89aa9842763063518cacc5f0c80a&t=65685
[17:18] <nemo> mini-man: that one is your exact card
[17:18] <sorush20> I have set the server . any idea what is happening/
[17:19] <nemo> mini-man: he got his working. not same system as you, but the steps might be applicable if you understand them
[17:20] <mini-man> nemo, well seems like he couldn't even get the basics working... i do get the nvidia splash screen at bootup and such
[17:20] <mini-man> so would that help?
[17:20] <nemo> mini-man: for example, he fixed a "driver_aliases" which does not exist in ubuntu
[17:21] <nemo> mini-man: well, since it does initially load the driver, that's not that surprising
[17:22] <alteregoa> high
[17:22] <alteregoa> houston i got a problem
[17:22] <alteregoa> if i start mc, with ssh it looks like crap
[17:22] <alteregoa> looks like a wrong ansi charset
[17:23] <nemo> using UTF-8?
[17:23] <alteregoa> but if i try another ubuntu server it looks right
[17:23] <alteregoa> i don't know
[17:23] <alteregoa> i got ssh from windows
[17:23] <alteregoa> and it works with another ubuntu server
[17:23] <mini-man> nemo, well, trying to see if i can try somethings he did, but just did a nvidia-xconfig, I'll try restarting X now
[17:23] <mini-man> or would that not help?
[17:23] <alteregoa> only on terminal
[17:24] <sam__> is there anyway to upgrade from 8.94 to 8.10
[17:24] <sam__> 8.04*
[17:24] <alteregoa> i think there is something with the termcap
[17:24] <shmengie> sam: update_manager -d
[17:25] <nemo> mini-man: can I see your xorg.conf ?
[17:25] <nemo> mini-man: before and after nvidia-xconfig actually
[17:26] <mini-man> nemo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/63313/
[17:26] <mini-man> this is after
[17:26] <sorush20> I'm not sure how the dns might be affected by my network
[17:26] <sorush20> can anyone help
[17:26] <mini-man> you have before from my previous paste
[17:26] <nemo> mini-man: oh. it was at the bottom
[17:27] <mini-man> nemo, aye
[17:27] <ulaas> is there a specific channel for apple owners?
[17:27] <mini-man> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63314/
[17:27] <mini-man> here's sidebyside if you need it
[17:27] <mini-man> old and new
[17:27] <nemo> mini-man: don't see anything helpful in the reconfigured one
[17:28] <mini-man> nemo, did some searching, and apparently even if i wanted to, i can't successfully use the 173 drivers with intrepid?
[17:28] <mini-man> :(
[17:28] <nemo> mini-man: I suppose you've tried dpkg-reconfigure already
[17:28] <mini-man> nemo, on nvidia-glx-177 yes
[17:29] <mini-man> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118595
[17:30] <nemo> mini-man: well, there appears to be a patch...
[17:30] <nemo> mini-man: odd, since googling for your exact card name reveals other people using it just fine
[17:30] <nemo> (with 177.80)
[17:30] <mini-man> :[
[17:31] <nemo> mini-man: you using the right kernel?
[17:31] <nemo> 2.6.27-7-generic personally
[17:31] <mini-man> miniman@minibox:~/Scripts$ uname -sr
[17:31] <mini-man> Linux 2.6.27-7-generic
[17:32] <sorush20> apple owner go here #mac
[17:32] <sorush20> also I@m running the show here..
[17:32] <sorush20> that why I will help anyone
[17:33] <alteregoa> so can someone check what the hell error it is
[17:33] <alteregoa> http://fnords.ch/fnordshot.jpg
[17:33] <mnemoc> oh, people still use mc
[17:35] <alteregoa> of course
[17:35] <alteregoa> gnome commander mc nc or tc
[17:35] <nemo> mini-man: trying to see if there is a list of supported GPUs on the nvidia site
[17:35] <nemo> mini-man: I have no clue on how to check that from the nvidia driver itself
[17:36] <mini-man> nemo, FWIW, when I run nvidia-settings, I get 'You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X config file...'
[17:36] <mini-man> wtf?
[17:36] <mini-man> :D
[17:37] <nemo> well. sure.
[17:37] <nemo> 'cause it got unloaded on startup
[17:37] <nemo> and fell back to vesa
[17:37] <mini-man> ahh
[17:37] <nemo> mini-man: nvidia 6150 LE is in the readme as supported
[17:38] <nemo> mini-man: try reruning dpkg-reconfigure on xorg.conf I guess :-/
[17:38] <alteregoa> so how can i change the termcap stuff?
[17:39] <mini-man> nemo, on what now? o.0
[17:39] <mini-man> nemo, which package?
[17:39] <nemo> mini-man: dude. the instructions on how to do it are in your xorg.conf
[17:39] <nemo> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[17:39] <nemo> # again, run the following command:
[17:39] <nemo> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[17:39] <vmelo> hi there, is procps broken??
[17:39] <nemo> (that's from the pastebin you sent me)
[17:39] <mini-man> doh
[17:40] <mini-man> k done, restarting X
[17:41] <Kimf> I have a quite non standard problem, but might be related to a more general problem. I have vista on a raid 0 on sata 1,2 and a non raid disk on sata3 (nvidia bios raid). I'm trying to install intrepid to the non raid drive and at the moment booting it from grub4dos from the vista boot menu with the menu.lst that is generated and in /boot/grub/ but I just end up with busybox at initramfs. (installed with 8.10 alternate amd64 from 22. oct
[17:42] <alteregoa> use this rescue linux stuff
[17:48] <mini-man> nemo, want the new log or..
[17:48] <nemo> mini-man: if it hasn't fixed it, naw
[17:48] <nemo> mini-man: I figure the issue is the same
[17:48] <mini-man> nemo, yeah didn't fix
[17:48] <nemo> not sure *why* it is happening though
[17:48] <nemo> mini-man: p'raps something non-standard about your env
[17:48] <mini-man> nemo, in 640xsomething-or-the-other atm with horrid graphics :P
[17:48] <nemo> mini-man: you can always use nv  for now I 'spose
[17:48] <nemo> although that won't help with wolfenstein
[17:49] <mini-man> guess i'll try 173
[17:49] <mini-man> just for kicks
[17:49] <mini-man> though
[17:49] <mini-man> a few days ago, someone reported that X borking up at boot, and I did have the exact same errors as they did but I didn't write them down so i forgot them :)
[17:50] <mini-man> that's when I was asked to select drivers, and 177 wasn't enabled.. so I'm assuming 173 will bork again..
[17:51] <billybigrigger> will OO.org 3 be included in ibex?
[17:51] <U238Willy> when i dpkg-reconfig xserv-xorg.. it writes about 12 lines (no joke) which drops your X to the most minimal settings ever.
[17:53] <U238Willy> I ended up doing some research in my etc/X11/ dir to find a more suitable and in-depth xorg.conf backup from 8.04 and used that instead.
[17:54] <U238Willy> and a known bug for 8.10 (atleast from ubuntu.com) is that certain nvidia drivers are 'configured' at upgrade which aren't the proper drivers for your equip.
[17:56] <mini-man> zomg
[17:56] <mini-man> it worked
[17:56] <U238Willy> congrats
[17:56] <mini-man> reinstalled 177
[17:57] <U238Willy> if i can ask... what card do you have?
[17:57] <mini-man> geforce 6150 LE
[17:57] <U238Willy> ah
[17:57] <louise> I need some help pretty quick: in order to install ubuntu on an asus 701 eee pc, shouldn't it suffice to make a "usb startup disk" or do I have to somehow make a live cd usb key? (assuming they are distinct)
[18:01] <louise> I think the usb start up key creator application is not doing its job properly
[18:02] <louise> when i boot the pc it says there's no o.s. in the key and goes on
[18:03] <ArkoldThos> goodmorning
[18:04] <Lunar_Lamp> !release
[18:05] <Lunar_Lamp> Only 4 days left in October - when is Ibex scheduled for release?
[18:05] <Daekdroom> 30th
[18:05] <Lunar_Lamp> Daekdroom: thanks
[18:07] <admin_masu3701> hello there!! do anyone if there is a C programing channel?
[18:07] <maxb> You can try ##c
[18:09] <admin_masu3701> maxb: thanks
[18:14] <jblackhall> there's a bug out there for Intrepid that I think could use a little developer or triager feedback.  I'm pretty sure it affects all desktops running Intrepid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/280931
[18:24] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  My keyboard configuration is the brokenness in intrepid; with xkbmodel=pc105, layout=us, variant=dvorak, I get uparrow(label) to be printscreen(effect), Alt_R is KP_Enter, some arrows are NoSymbol...
[18:25] <jonaskoelker> I could use some help in restoring my keyboard to normality
[18:26] <jonaskoelker> it's possible to hack something together with xmodmap; some keys don't repeat or not according to my desires (fixable with xset r on a key-per-key basis).  But this is dirty, and C-M-Up becomes C-M-0x6f to gnome-keybinding-properties, and metacity then complains when I --replace it
[18:27] <jonaskoelker> no one?
[18:27] <jonaskoelker> are you all here to ask questions just like me?
[18:27] <Daekdroom> Have patience
[18:28] <Daekdroom> We're not paid to help and we're not watching the channel full time. Plus, it's not like everyone knows how to help you.
[18:29] <jonaskoelker> sure
[18:31] <andresmh> in gnome, how can I disable the animation that happens when a  window is minimized?
[18:32] <Daekdroom> andresmh: you mean the effect?
[18:32] <andresmh> yes Daekdroom
[18:33] <Daekdroom> andresmh: System > Preferences > Appearence > Effects tab and then turn off the effects
[18:33] <Daekdroom> Not sure if the tab name is Effects. I'm not on Ubuntu right now.
[18:33] <andresmh> Daekdroom: i already have Visual Effects set to None
[18:33] <chairman> i got 8.10 upgrade. how can i get the adobe flash player to work on youtube?
[18:34] <Daekdroom> andresmh: Then what effect are you talking about? Fading?
[18:35] <andresmh> Daekdroom: it's hard to describe it with words but basically it shows the black border of the window as it minimizes...
[18:35] <Daekdroom> andresmh: A black square where the window was?
[18:36] <andresmh> yes Daekdroom
[18:36] <Daekdroom> I never noticed such thing. What's the video driver you're using?
[18:36] <andresmh> and the black square gets smaller, leaving a short trail as the window goes into hiding to the panel
[18:36] <andresmh> Daekdroom: how can i check the video driver?
[18:38] <Daekdroom> andresmh: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:39] <andresmh> Daekdroom: http://paste2.org/p/93039
[18:41] <Daekdroom> andresmh: Checked System > Preferences > Window
[18:41] <Daekdroom> ?
[18:42] <andresmh> yeah
[18:42] <andresmh> there are only 3 options there
[18:42] <andresmh> Window Selection, Titlebar Action, Movement Key
[18:42] <jonaskoelker> I don't think it can be disable
[18:43] <Daekdroom> andresmh: Is xserver-xgl package installed?
[18:43] <jonaskoelker> *d
[18:43] <jonaskoelker> but I'm not a 100%
[18:43] <alteregoa> is there anybody aware of change the termcap stuff?
[18:43] <chairman> hello
[18:44] <andresmh> Daekdroom: apt-get returns E: Couldn't find package xserver-xgl
[18:45] <Daekdroom> andresmh: I can't think of anything that might cause the problem, or any configuration, sorry.
[18:45] <andresmh> no problem Daekdroom
[18:45] <legend2440> andresmh: to get rid of the minimize animation read post #5 and 6. worked for me  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38662
[18:45] <chairman> I need help please
[18:46] <Darthfrog> I'm beginning to hate Intrepid.
[18:46] <jonaskoelker> oh, you too?
[18:46] <jonaskoelker> ;)
[18:46] <alteregoa> why
[18:47] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: join the club. It'll be released in 3 days and I can't boot it.
[18:47] <alteregoa> lol
[18:47] <alteregoa> you cant boot it
[18:47] <andresmh> legend2440:  that worked!!
[18:47] <Daekdroom> It's frustrating. The same damn module always cause me trouble when trying to update ubuntu.
[18:48] <alteregoa> just change the apt resource
[18:48] <chairman> Intrepid ok. remember it's still in beta and i like it
[18:48] <Darthfrog> I just re-installed cuz Firefox wouldn't use any name services.  DNS was fine but Firefox wasn't.
[18:48] <Daekdroom> alteregoa: The module makes modprobe crash during udev.
[18:48] <jonaskoelker> legend2440, andresmh: wtf... the *panel* does the animation?
[18:48] <Daekdroom> alteregoa: I can't fix that.
[18:48] <chairman> but guys i need to get my flash palyer working
[18:49] <chairman> one of the lil mishaps when you upgrade to a new OS
[18:49] <alteregoa> yeah stop overclock the cpu
[18:49] <Darthfrog> After re-install (saving my home directory), things were fscked-up.  I had to move .kde to .kde.saved and try and get things working again.
[18:49] <Daekdroom> I don't overclock.
[18:49] <Daekdroom> My motherboard doesn't even let me chance the CPU multipliers or FSB o.o
[18:50] <alteregoa> must be viastic spastic
[18:50] <Darthfrog> Intrepid might work fine for a new install but methinks it could be problematical for upgrading.
[18:50] <alteregoa> i upgraded intrepid from a hardy alpha
[18:50] <alteregoa> i had no problems
[18:51] <alteregoa> only those graphic card issue with xorg and nvidia gf 4
[18:51] <squid0> hi. I'm having serious issues with intel driver! crashing X often :(
[18:51] <squid0> mentions something about planes
[18:51] <squid0> "intel(0): tried to update DSPARB with both planes enabled!"\
[18:52] <legend2440> chairman: do you have  adobe-flashplugin installed? its in synaptic
[18:52] <freaky_t> 3 days to go :D
[18:52] <platius> chairman; let me boot into intrepid and see if I have flashplayer working
[18:52] <squid0> also, when X crashes, I get a recurring message about ipw2200 on any tty console logins
[18:52] <squid0> I'm otherwise really liking Intrepid, but I can't function like this... please can someone help
[18:53] <chairman> i tried to do it in terminal
[18:53] <chairman> but it said administration locked
[18:54] <chairman> ok
[18:54] <platius> chairman; I think I did apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras then the player appeared in synaptic package manager
[18:54] <chairman> did you do it in terminal?
[18:55] <chairman> u did it like sudo apt-get like tht/
[18:55] <legend2440> chairman: did you sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin?
[18:55] <platius> chairman; yep
[18:56] <NauarchLysander> Will the new OpenOffice be included in Ubuntu 8.10 via the Update Manager? (That is, will there be an upgrade between the realeases of 8.10 and 9.04?)
[18:56] <chairman> P, it's  loading it up.
[18:57] <andresmh> legend2440; one more question about UI settings, how do I change the default size of the gnome terminal?
[19:00] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  xorg seems to not apply my mouse configuration to my logitech marble mouse.  xorg.conf and xorg log at http://rafb.net/p/Ah0c7C55.html and http://rafb.net/p/MCZ0TR76.html.  xev says the buttons I want to be 8 and 9 are 4 and 5.  What gives?  How do I map the buttons around so I can use emulatewheel?
[19:01] <mnemoc> !synaptic
[19:01] <chairman> Platius,I'll keep you posted and let you know what happened
[19:01] <mnemoc> err...
[19:01] <mnemoc> !touchpad
[19:01] <legend2440> andresmh: read #1  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=119271
[19:01] <platius> chairman;  ok
[19:02] <chairman> right now it's at 17%
[19:03] <sorush20> hi my time server is not updating
[19:03] <sorush20>  any help guys
[19:04] <sorush20> I'm behing a proxy cache.uwe.ac.uk
[19:04] <sorush20> with authentication
[19:04] <sorush20> but I already do that through the web browser and the connection becomes active
[19:05] <sorush20> after that.. have ntp server installed but it not updating
[19:09] <jacobw-uk> hi there
[19:09] <jacobw-uk> does anyone know if banshee can sync with a creative zen mosiac?
[19:10] <jacobw-uk> i assumed it was a mass storage, but it doesn't show up
[19:18] <DJones> A week or so ago, I was going to upgrade using "update-manager -d" but after starting the process, I got the warning about my nvidia card not having a supported driver so when given the option, I cancelled the update, I've just started the update again, and after it removed landscape-client and nvidia-gflx it went to processing triggers for libc6 its sped through getting new packages, installing the upgrades and has been on cleaning up for 30 mins+,
[19:20] <echinos_> odd problem after upgrade: When I click on the other desktops in my workspace switcher, nothing happens. :/
[19:20] <outbri> echinos: what window manager are you using?
[19:21] <ArkoldThos> what whas that program to make a deb file easily?
[19:21] <dr_willis> echinos_,  try disable/reenable compiz/meticity perhaps?
[19:21] <dr_willis> !checkinstall
[19:22] <echinos_> outbri, dr_willis: I just turned off GL desktop, working now
[19:22] <ArkoldThos> thanks dr_willis
[19:22] <outbri> echinos: great
[19:22] <echinos_> I'll fiddle with itand see if I can get a combo that works
[19:22] <echinos_> my other issue is no sound or wireless :/
[19:23] <echinos_> I'll google some on those ones
[19:23] <AirBender> Hey guys, is it true that until intrepid release there will be lot of broken packages in hardy?
[19:23] <brandon_> i'm having an issue where i cannot log in anymore. i type the password, i see a black screen, and then the login screen again. it doesn't say the login failed or there was incorrect information.
[19:23] <AirBender> can't believe that
[19:23] <Almindor> gi
[19:23] <Almindor> hi I mean
[19:23] <Almindor> how do you save network settings in ibex?
[19:23] <buck_work> I have just updated to Ibex from Hardy. I so far have noticed 2 major issues (to me at least). 1: Where are my console vtys? If I hit C-A-F1 to go back to console, there's nothing. Alt-F2, F3, nothing. No vtys anywhere.. 2: My secondary desktop is now dead. It starts a gnome session, but as soon as I try to run anything, I get a blank Error dialog with no buttons and gnome-panel starts chewing up 100% CPU time. x.x
[19:24] <frosterrj> anyone got pointers for slimming down memory footprint?  running aspire one with 512mb.  In gnome and xfce with only desktop up I get 120mb free in gnome, 150 free in xfce
[19:24] <Almindor> they always go back to dhcp/auto for me in the applet, and the old network settings app is no longer available
[19:24] <outbri> AirBender: even if it was (which I have no idea), the release is only 3 days away.
[19:24] <AirBender> with network manager you can save configs
[19:24] <Almindor> AirBender, what network manager? :D
[19:25] <Almindor> AirBender, if you mean the applet thing, it doesn't seem to save it
[19:25] <nemo> buck_work: unlike you I finally have a console
[19:25] <nemo> buck_work: before, I just had blank screens due to some vid mode detection issue
[19:25] <AirBender> Almindor, but have you explicitly saved them?
[19:25] <Almindor> AirBender, by doing..? I don't see "save" anywhere in this thing
[19:26] <outbri> buck_work: what video card are you using? nvidia-settings should fix the secondary desktop issue if you're using a nvidia card
[19:26] <AirBender> outbri, the sad part is that I was on intepid since a long time, and did the change to hardy today because I had a problem with flex-old, and it  was messing up with dpkg to install packages...
[19:26] <buck_work> outbri - nvidia. 8600 GT
[19:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys how do i get my network card to use a static ip
[19:26] <eagles0513875> NET||abuse: hey im back and i reinstalled as well
[19:26] <AirBender> Almindor, right click, then edit settings, or something(My intrepid is gone...)
[19:27] <Almindor> AirBender, yes well there's no "something" :)
[19:27] <Almindor> AirBender, in good gnome tradition
[19:27] <AirBender> you will se all your interfaces, VPN networks, mobile networks, and so on
[19:27] <outbri> buck_work: I have the same card (mine's a dual dvi), it didn't work when I first upgraded to 8.10, but it was easily fixed through nvidia-settings
[19:27] <buck_work> outbri - It's not that my secondary monitor doesn't display anything... it comes up. and in nvidia-settings it appears correct.
[19:27] <Almindor> right, I edited the auto eth0, but there's no save button
[19:27] <AirBender> Almindor, sorry for my bad memory, but I'm withoput intrepid right now
[19:27] <eagles0513875> how can i add my connection to use a static ip
[19:28] <Almindor> exacto-mondo
[19:28] <AirBender> may be it's just with the wireless networks Almindor
[19:28] <eagles0513875> i right clicked on knetowork
[19:28] <Almindor> AirBender, nope, if it was I wouldn't be chatting
[19:28] <outbri> buckwork: so it shows your background and all, you just can't do anything with it?
[19:28] <eagles0513875> and set it up from there but yet my router is giving it a static ip
[19:28] <eagles0513875> i rebooted machine and it still is using router dhcp
[19:28] <AirBender> well if you want static IPs, you'd better to do it in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:29] <buck_work> Exactly. The background comes up. The panel launches. I can CLICK on panel launcher items. But as soon as I do that, I get a blank error box, with no buttons, and gnome becomes unresponsive. If I have a terminal open before that happens, top shows that gnome-panel is using 100% CPU time.
[19:29] <Almindor> that's a damn nice backpedal from 8.04
[19:29] <eagles0513875> there is nothing in there besides lo
[19:30] <Almindor> yup, same here heh
[19:30] <Almindor> I guess this is the great new network manager heh
[19:30] <eagles0513875> i found it on google
[19:30] <eagles0513875> iface eth0 inet static
[19:30] <eagles0513875>  address 192.168.1.100
[19:30] <eagles0513875>  netmask 255.255.255.0
[19:30] <eagles0513875>  network 192.168.1.0
[19:30] <eagles0513875>  broadcast 192.168.1.255
[19:30] <eagles0513875>  gateway 192.168.1.254
[19:30] <eagles0513875> thats what u put in there
[19:30] <eagles0513875> network manager is borked
[19:30] <Almindor> well my ips are a bit different, but thanks for the format
[19:30] <eagles0513875> or if config
[19:31] <eagles0513875> those arent mine those r in tutorial i found on google
[19:31] <outbri> buck_work, weird. never heard of that before, I'm not sure how to fix it. sorry
[19:31] <Almindor> they DO hope to fix the damn thing right?
[19:31] <eagles0513875> i hope so
[19:31] <Almindor> well they better hope so :D
[19:31] <Almindor> it's enough to be stuck with this sucky ati driver
[19:31] <buck_work> No problem, outbri. The danger of running beta releases, I guess =) Maybe I'll do a full reinstall once Ibex is final.
[19:31]  * Almindor wonders if older ati drivers can live with .27
[19:32] <eagles0513875> i just did a full reinstallation
[19:32] <eagles0513875> after upgrading from hardy
[19:33] <eagles0513875> the upgrade is broken as always
[19:33] <petererer> hmm, so some slashdot-linked-article says it's slow :o
[19:33] <Almindor> what's slow?
[19:34] <petererer> ubuntu since 7.04, heh
[19:34] <Almindor> yeah
[19:34] <Almindor> see phoronix
[19:34] <petererer> yeah
[19:34] <Almindor> it's the kernel IMHO
[19:34] <Almindor> + crappier and crappier ati drivers
[19:34] <Almindor> where are dns servers specified?
[19:34] <maxb> eagles0513875: I have happily upgraded dapper->edgy->feisty->gutsy->hardy->intrepid ....
[19:34] <petererer> ati drivers don't have a lot of bearing on some of those stats
[19:35] <Almindor> petererer, yes but it doesn't help they are getting worse
[19:35] <Almindor> petererer, even 2d is becoming slower, they broke powerplay on notebooks since 8.8 too
[19:35] <Almindor> disgrace
[19:35] <petererer> :o
[19:35] <Almindor> friggin moronic AMD, what would you expect? :D
[19:35] <eagles0513875> maxb: i wish i have had same luck from edgy
[19:35] <eagles0513875> when i upgraded from hardy to intrepid rc
[19:36] <eagles0513875> i had to manually imput my ns ips in resolv.conf
[19:36] <eagles0513875> and the networkmanager wasnt working right
[19:36] <xerosis> ]has anyone had any problems with virtualbox since the last kernel update? seems DKMS hasn't recompiled the module?
[19:36] <Almindor> brb, going to check boot again
[19:36] <Almindor> oh and
[19:37] <Almindor> who was the damn fool which made the logout change?
[19:37] <Almindor> Vista-inspired or what?
[19:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:37] <eagles0513875> Almindor: get busy and make something to replace it
[19:37] <Almindor> actually no need, I just need to use the other applet apparently
[19:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:38] <Almindor> but consistency consistency :)
[19:38] <Raven> my wifi disappeared
[19:38] <Raven> it was working fine yesterday, today i turn on laptop
[19:38] <Raven> and the interface is gone
[19:39] <Raven> so i type modprobe ath_pci, and it spits some errors in dmesg about unknown symbols and stuff doing with ath_hal
[19:39] <Raven> so i modprobe ath_hal and it doesnt seem to exist
[19:39] <Raven> modules seem to be unloaded
[19:39] <Raven> wut shud i do
[19:39] <esac> hi guys, running intrepid, i am getting 1-10 second pauses while simply pinging my wireless router. i have an intel 4965 and i have tried both default and backport drivers. i have a windows laptop sitting right here pinging at the same time, and it does not see the issue. any ideas?
[19:40] <xerosis> Raven: ath_hal is the madwifi drivers right?
[19:40] <Raven> yeah, i believe so
[19:40] <eagles0513875> Raven: ur problem sounds like my laptop with vista lol
[19:40] <Raven> :p
[19:41] <xerosis> as they're not installed manually, you must have compiled them yourself?
[19:41] <Raven> in my experience ubuntu tends to not be like vista
[19:41] <Raven> lol
[19:41] <Raven> xerosis: i installed from a script, i believe it either had precompiled ones or compiled them itself
[19:41] <Raven> im on an eee, there's a script pack, and i used the wifi script in that
[19:41] <xerosis> Raven: if you update your kernel you then need to recompile them
[19:41] <eagles0513875> Raven: my issue on the laptop was heat issue which fried the card
[19:42] <Raven> xerosis: didnt change my kernel afaik
[19:42] <xerosis> Raven: are you on intrepid?
[19:42] <Raven> yes
[19:42] <chairman> platius,the distributor license for java came up
[19:43] <Raven> running 2.6.27-7 gen
[19:43] <xerosis> Raven: then you probably did have your kernel upgraded ;)
[19:43] <Raven> grr :p
[19:43] <Raven> im gonna run the wifi installer script again
[19:43] <Raven> see if that rectifies things
[19:43] <eagles0513875> im on that kernel 2 but there is a newer version of that kernel
[19:43] <eagles0513875> at least a new image
[19:44] <Raven> rebooting..
[19:44] <VSpike> Seem to me like when I open something like Firefox with compiz running, I get a momentary display either of a blank window with an X in it, or maybe some pixel garbage before the contents appear... I see this on my other (nVidia, 7.10) machine but this oldish laptop with intel graphics has always been smooth as butter.  I think that 8.10 is worse in that respect
[19:44] <eagles0513875> y the hell even after specifying my device in network interfaces file does it still show the ip from dhcp
[19:44] <VSpike> Trouble is, that kind of thing is quite subjective
[19:45] <VSpike> What themes should I have as standard in Appearance Preferences dialog?
[19:45] <buck_work> I see that as well, VSpike. Whenever I launch Opera, I get a flash that appears to be old video data from other windows before it repaints.
[19:45] <VSpike> buck_work: interesting - what video hardware?
[19:46] <buck_work> nvidia 8600GT
[19:46] <AirBender> eagles0513875: have you restarted the networking services?
[19:46] <VSpike> buck_work: like I say, my nVidia based system has always done it, but this machine I don't think it did until the upgrade to 8.10
[19:46] <eagles0513875> AirBender: yes
[19:46] <Raven> it is still broken
[19:46] <Raven> i need my wifi so i can listen to music while i clean ;p
[19:46] <Raven> :(
[19:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:46] <buck_work> VSpike: I didn't notice the issue in 8.04.1, only in 8.10 with the new nvidia driver. Haven't tried the old one.
[19:47] <Raven> someone halp?
[19:47] <VSpike> buck_work: yeah I'm still on 7.10 on the box with nvidia in :)
[19:49] <chairman> platius are you still there or anybody?
[19:49] <Raven> can someone please save me from my ubuntu
[19:49] <Raven> ;p
[19:49] <chairman> it finish downloading the flash plugin and the license sshowed up
[19:50] <Raven> screw ubuntu, im using my ipod...
[19:51]  * Raven angry
[19:51] <AirBender> Raven so your wifi doesn't work?
[19:55] <e\ectro_> Is there going to be a new version of perl released that fixes the MASON issue?
[19:55] <e\ectro_> I see that debian unstable has a new version and was just wondering if it was going to get pushed to Ubuntu
[19:56] <freaky_t> hi all i have a problem. i have a keyboard which uses a bluetooth usb stick. every time i boot up i have to manually connect the keyboard back to the pc. is there a way i can automate this? I also have to pull out the usb stick and put it back into the usb port first.
[19:57] <petenix> having trouble expunging a deleted mail message in evolution
[19:58] <petenix> going to "empty trash" or ctrl+E both breaks my system
[19:58] <petenix> or rather
[19:58] <petenix> it just doesn't delete
[19:58] <curtis_Desktop> when i type a message in pidgin it closes this is in ubuntu 8.10
[19:59] <petenix> (evolution:1281): camel-local-provider-WARNING **: Didn't get the next message where I expected (0) got 15215 instead
[19:59] <petenix> (evolution:1281): camel-WARNING **: Error storing '~/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox (mbox)': Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync
[20:02] <Sebboh> I seem to have a lot of scim-panel-gtk processes laying around.  Uhm, well, I only speak one language, and I only have one keyboard, and that's the only way I expect to input data.  Can I disable all this scim stuff?
[20:06] <Raven> airbender: my wifi worked less than 2 days ago
[20:06] <Raven> and now it has suddenly stopped
[20:06] <Raven> havent done anything on the laptop since then
[20:09] <Tominator> hi!
[20:09] <Raven> hi.
[20:10] <Tominator> does anyone know whether nvidia 96 will be released for the new X and when?
[20:19] <EyesOfARaven> wifi aid plx
[20:20] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: we cant help you if you don't tell us what the problem is
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> i did :p
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> i have an atheros card running a version of madwifi on my eee
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> and today i turned it on
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> and suddenly the wlan0 is gone
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> and i cant modprobe ath_pci due to some odd errors with
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> unknown symbols having to due with ath_hal
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> and if i try modprobe ath_hal it says it doesnt exist
[20:21] <EyesOfARaven> i tried reinstalling the drivers via the script that installed them in the first place, rebooted, didnt help
[20:22] <EyesOfARaven>  this was working two days ago
[20:22] <EyesOfARaven> and i havent used it since it was last working, so nothing shud hav changed
[20:22] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.27/linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic_2.6.27-7.4_i386.deb
[20:22] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: install that package on your eee
[20:22] <chairman> i still need help
[20:23] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, i will be switching the comp im on now from wired to wireless so i can use the wired on my eee for this, i will disappear for a moment, excuse me
[20:25] <Winkie> hey guys, what would the process be to get a52 support re-enabled in libasound2-plugins? trying to install libavcodec-dev gives me a problem in that libavcodec-unstripped-51 is in intrepid and conflicts with libavcodec51
[20:27] <scorch_> Got a High latency problem...  My internet connection (when I am d-loading from the repos) consistanly fluates from 5000B to 371Kb per/sec.  No problem in windows when downloading.  Any ideas?
[20:28] <billz> how can I upgrade from ubuntu server 8.04 to ubuntu RC 8.10 server?
[20:29] <alpha> Has anyone been able to get xvidcap to run in 8.10 ?
[20:29] <chairman> HELLO
[20:29] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, installed and rebooting, might i mention that that is my current kernel version
[20:29] <EyesOfARaven> hi
[20:29] <EyesOfARaven> what do u want
[20:29] <EyesOfARaven> u hav to tell us :p
[20:30] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: that wasn't your kernel, it was drivers for the kernel
[20:30] <EyesOfARaven> yes, i know
[20:30] <EyesOfARaven> just making sure it wasnt supposed to be some older version
[20:30] <chairman> i can't get no adobe flash plugin for some reason
[20:30] <EyesOfARaven> i havent used backports before
[20:30] <alpha> chairman: are you using the nonfree one ?
[20:30] <EyesOfARaven> it is finishing booting now, so we'll see if that did anything...
[20:30] <chairman> tht what i was told to get
[20:31] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, i do believe that did it! let me just verify that i can ping google..
[20:31] <billz> .........
[20:32] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, yes, thank you! can u please explain how you knew what backports package to use for this? I'd like to know how to fix it myself if this happens again
[20:32] <EyesOfARaven> chairman, goto the flash player plugin, download and install not working?
[20:32] <EyesOfARaven> flash player page*
[20:32] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: i had the exact same problem this morning, and found that in a forum post
[20:33] <EyesOfARaven> what browser do u use?
[20:33] <chairman> firefox 3
[20:33] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, what did u try searching for? mine were fruitless
[20:33] <EyesOfARaven> chairman: u shud be able to install the flash player from the adobe page for that browser
[20:33] <ConstantineXVI> EyesOfARaven: ar5007 intrepid
[20:33] <silvex> Hi all, having trouble getting second display going on ati9250 clone. new install 8.10rc, xorg.conf is empty , is that normal? in 8.04 it was configured.
[20:33] <EyesOfARaven> ConstantineXVI, thanks mate
[20:33] <EyesOfARaven> been a big help ^^
[20:33] <chairman> i did that and nothing happened
[20:34] <IdleOne> !upgrade > billz
[20:34] <EyesOfARaven> chairman: u downloaded the package and installed it, but did u restart the browser?
[20:34] <curtis_Desktop> my sound does not work in 8.10 after updating from 8.04
[20:34] <curtis_Desktop> how can i get it to work?
[20:34] <chairman> no.not yet.
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> curtis_Desktop, going to need to know what sound card, etc
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> chairman, u need to or it won't work
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[20:35] <curtis_Desktop> how can i find out ?
[20:35] <IdleOne> lspci
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> curtis_Desktop, lspci | grep audio
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> i'm not 100% if the phrase "audio" will do it
[20:35] <EyesOfARaven> but that's generally what u want
[20:36] <IdleOne> lspci will list all devices
[20:36] <EyesOfARaven> ah, make sure u capitalize the A
[20:36] <EyesOfARaven> IdleOne, yes, but that could be a lot of output for someone to parse thru by hand
[20:36] <curtis_Desktop> EyesOfARaven, it just goes to the next line
[20:36] <EyesOfARaven> curtis_Desktop, do it with a capitol A, my apologies
[20:37] <IdleOne> EyesOfARaven: true, always good to see what the command will do first and then learn to pass arguments :)
[20:37] <curtis_Desktop> http://paste.debian.net/20141/
[20:37] <chairman> do u want me to restart the browser or the PC. i clicccked off and on and notthign happened
[20:38] <EyesOfARaven> you've an ICH7 family intel onboard audio
[20:38] <EyesOfARaven> curtis_Desktop
[20:39] <EyesOfARaven> see that third line
[20:39] <EyesOfARaven> if u grep for "Audio" it've brought that up
[20:39] <curtis_Desktop> yes
[20:39] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  X configures my logitech usb marble mouse against my wishes.  xorg.conf @ http://rafb.net/p/vGAygx36.html, Xorg.0.log @ http://rafb.net/p/5bgJNd49.html.  Note how the log sees the marble mouse at /dev/input/event12, exactly where i've configured "Configured Mouse" to be; yet the EmulateWheelButton is not 8 as I asked for.  How can I beat my xserver into submission?
[20:39] <curtis_Desktop> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
[20:40] <EyesOfARaven> curtis_Desktop, i'm not an expert, so the specifics for how to fix it i am unaware of, but that info will be necessary for someone else to help u
[20:40] <curtis_Desktop> okay
[20:41] <IdleOne> EyesOfARaven: you know anything about getting  Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) to work?
[20:41] <EyesOfARaven> IdleOne, indeed i do..
[20:41] <IdleOne> :)
[20:41] <EyesOfARaven> i have that very card that just didn't work myself
[20:41] <EyesOfARaven> and i just had help fixing it :p
[20:42] <IdleOne> well share the love :)
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> install http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.27/linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic_2.6.27-7.4_i386.deb
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> and it will magically come back to life
[20:42] <IdleOne> really?
[20:42] <curtis_Desktop> is that for me?
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> yep
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> no, curtus
[20:42] <calc> where did the pdf printer go in intrepid?
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> curtis*
[20:42] <EyesOfARaven> IdleOne, happen to have an eee 900? :D
[20:43] <IdleOne> nope
[20:43] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[20:43] <EyesOfARaven> that's where my AR242 is
[20:43] <IdleOne> acer 4315
[20:43] <IdleOne> installing
[20:45] <IdleOne> EyesOfARaven: what do i put in the SSID box in network manager?
[20:45]  * IdleOne is new to wireless
[20:47] <chairman> i need serious help to get adobe flashplugin please
[20:48] <chairman> i rebooted the browser ..nothing..rebooted my laptop..0..
[20:48] <EyesOfARaven> IdleOne, ur ssid :D
[20:49] <IdleOne> ERRR I meant BSSID
[20:50] <chadeldridge> !paste
[20:52] <IdleOne> errrr now I have gone and forgotten my router pass :/
[20:52] <IdleOne> I'll fix this when I get back from vacation
[20:53] <scopecreep> you can google for router default passes
[20:53] <EyesOfARaven> IdleOne, skip it
[20:53] <scopecreep> linksys = admin or linksys
[20:53] <scopecreep> hit the reset button on the router to get it back
[20:53] <IdleOne> EyesOfARaven: skip the BSSID? the ok button stays greyed
[20:53] <EyesOfARaven> there is no spot for bssid on mine
[20:53] <EyesOfARaven> :p
[20:53] <EyesOfARaven> just network key, auth type
[20:54] <chadeldridge> Everyone, I am having a serious issue with multiple monitors in 8.10 I have even tried my xorg.conf file from 8.04 and the issue still persists.  I have 2 monitors both 24"  1 of them is vertical the other horizontal.  The vertical monitor is rotated correctly now but the graphics only draw as far down as the grphics on monitor 0.  I can move the mouse below the graphics line and still see it but i cannot drag folders or anything below that backgro
[20:54] <EyesOfARaven> and sec type
[20:54] <EyesOfARaven> and ssid
[20:54] <IdleOne> what network manager are you using ? the default?
[20:54] <EyesOfARaven> yea
[20:54] <IdleOne> hmmm
[20:55] <EyesOfARaven> mebe ur accessing it wierd
[20:55] <EyesOfARaven> what i do
[20:55] <EyesOfARaven> is click on the little computers on the panel
[20:55] <EyesOfARaven> and then select my network in the menu
[20:55] <EyesOfARaven> and then it pops up a box if it needs sec
[20:55] <IdleOne> I am only seeing wired network
[20:56] <IdleOne> .
[20:57] <IdleOne> note to self: do not request a network address while being helped with network issue
[20:57] <BUGabundo> eheh IdleOne
[20:58] <IdleOne> like I said. I will worry about this after vacation
[21:00] <chairman> hello
[21:00] <chadeldridge> Everyone, I am having a serious issue with multiple monitors in 8.10 I have even tried my xorg.conf file from 8.04 and the issue still persists.  I have 2 monitors both 24"  1 of them is vertical the other horizontal.  The vertical monitor is rotated correctly now but the graphics only draw as far down as the grphics on monitor 0.  I can move the mouse below the graphics line and still see it but i cannot drag folders or anything below that backgro
[21:02] <ElTimo> anyone know anything about drivers for the logitech quickcam e2500 in intrepid?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ElTimo: please look on LP. there has been a lot of changes due to kernel
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ElTimo: just today mine got fixed! yay
[21:03] <ElTimo> o really? do you have the same one though?
[21:03] <ElTimo> or something similar?
[21:03] <technopagan> hi! anyone experiencing intrepid not saving settings of e.g. the session (running programs) or mouse-settings?
[21:04] <ElTimo> technopagan: yes I have
[21:04] <BUGabundo> no.. I have a generys
[21:04] <technopagan> ElTimo: So it's Intrepid, not me.
[21:04] <ElTimo> either that or we're doing the same things wrong :P
[21:05] <IdleOne> technopagan: it probably is you but that is a whole other story :P
[21:05] <technopagan> IdleOne: lol
[21:05] <ElTimo> lol I've actually had that problem a bit in hardy too, but only under gnome
[21:06] <savvas> has anyone else except me noticed the "ekiga 3.0" mentioned at http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.10-desktop ? :P
[21:07] <technopagan> I switched to a fully encrypted /home and thought maybe it's that ... but now that I know it happens to you guys too, I'll just wait for it to be fixed. :)
[21:08] <ElTimo> technopagan: can't say I have
[21:08] <ElTimo> does it look any good?
[21:08] <technopagan> ElTimo: The encrypted /home?
[21:09] <ElTimo> yea, does it work as fast as an unencrypted one?
[21:10] <technopagan> ElTimo: I have yet to move around some larger files, but until now it seems fine
[21:10] <ElTimo> hmm, I might have to try that
[21:10] <ElTimo> did you do encrypted swap too?
[21:10] <joaopinto> encryption as a performance penalty, it may be relevant or not :P
[21:11] <technopagan> ElTimo: Yes.
[21:11] <ElTimo> good call
[21:11] <technopagan> ElTimo: There's a really good tutorial for using LUKS + LVM
[21:11] <ElTimo> I usually just do a folder ~/Private and use ecryptfs on it
[21:12] <technopagan> ElTimo: Decryption on Login and such... really smooth!
[21:12] <ElTimo> o shat
[21:12] <ElTimo> that's awesome
[21:13] <technopagan> ElTimo: I'll dig out the URL
[21:13] <ElTimo> technopagan: awesome, thanks
[21:13] <Skiessi> !info portaudio19-dev
[21:14] <technopagan> ElTimo: http://blog.gnist.org/article.php?story=EncryptedSwapAndHomeUbuntu
[21:14] <ElTimo> ah I think I saw that one before
[21:14] <Kwiwaa> hello, i've no sound with 8.10 RC, can someone help me please ?
[21:15] <ElTimo> Kwiwaa: gnome or kde?
[21:15] <DaSkreech> Hello
[21:15] <Kwiwaa> gnome
[21:15] <DaSkreech> can someone right click on a directory in nautilus and tell me if you get an open with option under Properties?
[21:16] <ElTimo> Kwiwaa: not sure, I use kde
[21:16] <technopagan> ElTimo: It was a little intimidating at first ... but after some reading I got the hang of it. So just dive in! ;)
[21:17] <ElTimo> Kwiwaa: have you tried double-clicking the volume icon and making sure nothing important is muted?
[21:17] <ElTimo> technopagan: eh, drive formatting never scared me ;P
[21:17] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks. how come neither skype nor gizmo works in ubuntu 8.10 RC anymore?
[21:17] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[21:17] <redwhitewaldo> plesae help
[21:18] <redwhitewaldo> is it a audio software problem?
[21:18] <redwhitewaldo> please help a newbie
[21:18] <ElTimo> define "doesn't work"
[21:18] <redwhitewaldo> ElTimo: i click on the skype icon in my panel (or go type "skype" in terminal). and my cpu power is high, but it doesn't load
[21:18] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[21:19] <ElTimo> hmm, I've had the high cpu load, but I can usually get skype to load
[21:19] <redwhitewaldo> ElTimo: you are using skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb, the file from skype.com right?
[21:20] <technopagan> I had to copy the common files of a freshly setup user as root. Afterwards they of course were owned by root. I then chowned them to be owned by me. Is there anything wrong with doing that?
[21:20] <ElTimo> skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_x64.deb, but it's the same version
[21:20] <pantsman> can somebody please send me their ndiswrapper.ko ? thanks
[21:21] <ElTimo> pantsman: what version? 32 bit or 64 bit?
[21:21] <pantsman> 32-bit, please
[21:21] <ElTimo> crap
[21:21] <ElTimo> can't help you >.< I'm on 64
[21:22] <pantsman> or where else might I be able to get a copy? I tried installing ndiswrapper from source and the install removed my ndiswrapper.ko
[21:22] <TheInfinity> pantsman: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:22] <joaopinto> pantsman, ndiswrapper is available on the repositories
[21:22] <technopagan> redwhitewaldo: Have you tried starting Skype via a terminal and looked if there's any output in the terminal?
[21:22] <ElTimo> pantsman: you could try just uninstalling ndiswrapper, doing a sudo apt-get clean, and then installing it again
[21:23] <redwhitewaldo> technopagan: no output via terminal
[21:23] <redwhitewaldo> it's just blank
[21:23] <technopagan> pantsman: Where's it located?
[21:23] <technopagan> redwhitewaldo: Damn.
[21:23] <redwhitewaldo> technopagan: can we make it verbose?
[21:23] <ElTimo> probably
[21:23] <redwhitewaldo> how?
[21:24] <ElTimo> skype -v most likely
[21:24] <technopagan> pantsman: I'm on 32Bit.
[21:24] <chairman> how do i get the adobe flash plugin please
[21:24] <pantsman> I can't even find where it was deleted from now
[21:25] <technopagan> pantsman: I'll look for it.
[21:25] <pantsman> maybe it'll be in my bash history
[21:25] <pantsman> technopagan, thanks
[21:25] <pen> could anyone tell me why kernel panic?
[21:25] <pantsman> I realised my error and installed it from the packages, but it isn't working because of that missing file
[21:26] <rww> chairman: if you have the multiverse repository enabled, you can install it with sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:26] <pen> this is getting more and more annoying
[21:27] <pen> did anyone get kernel panic?
[21:27] <rhkfin> Anyone have had problems installing from usb stick? It tries to use a cd -> fail..
[21:28] <technopagan> pantsman: I hope it helps
[21:28] <pantsman> technopagan, thanks, could you let me know where you found it?
[21:29] <dr_willis> rhkfin,  ive installed from bootable usb sticks ive made with 'unetbootin'  on several machines.
[21:29] <chairman> ok how do you get that.go to adept and then repositories?
[21:29] <technopagan> pantsman: /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/ubuntu/ndiswrapper
[21:30] <pantsman> technopagan, thanks
[21:30] <technopagan> pantsman: you're welcome
[21:30] <pen> is there a fix for the kernel panic? or can I downgrade my kernel?
[21:30] <rhkfin> dr_willis: intrepid? I have kubuntu altenate 64-bit.. Will check unetbootin..
[21:30] <dr_willis> rhkfin,  yes.. 64bit 8.10  - :)
[21:30] <rww> chairman: I'm not familiar with adept (I use Gnome rather than KDE), but yeah, there should be a repositories option somewhere that'll let you enable multiverse. Then, you can install flashplugin-nonfree.
[21:30] <rhkfin> dr_willis: ok
[21:30] <dr_willis> rhkfin,  ubuntu however.. not kubuntu
[21:31] <rhkfin> right..
[21:31] <chairman> i meant adept installer rww
[21:31] <DaSkreech> can someone right click on a directory in nautilus and tell me if you get an open with option under Properties?
[21:32] <savvas> chairman: search for flashplugin-nonfree in adept
[21:32] <technopagan> DaSkreech: Yes.
[21:32] <rhkfin> dr_willis: so I download unetbootin, point it to the downladed image and it'll create me a live usb?
[21:32] <DaSkreech> technopagan: Thanks
[21:32] <pantsman> technopagan, you're my saviour, just ran modprobe and it found it and my wireless works now :)
[21:32] <joaopinto> DaSkreech, which type of dictionary ? I am not aware of a standard dictionary file format
[21:33] <DaSkreech> joaopinto: Re read
[21:33] <technopagan> pantsman: congrats! :)
[21:33] <darkphader> thinkpad t20 probs - no network, no keyboard, no mouse
[21:33] <chairman> it said i got it installed
[21:33] <joaopinto> darkphader, ops, sorry :P
[21:33] <joaopinto> DaSkreech, sorry
[21:33] <pantsman> if anyone's interested I've got 8.10 working great on a new Asus Eee box :)
[21:34] <dr_willis> rhkfin,  yep.
[21:34] <rhkfin> dr_willis: thanks
[21:36] <technopagan> Again: Is anything wrong with chown-ing everything in my home via root-console to be owned by my user and unreadable by everybody else?
[21:36] <DaSkreech> technopagan: ignoring .directories shouldn't be too much of a pain
[21:36] <rww> technopagan: shouldn't be. I've done it before and not had problems.
[21:36] <pen> hey
[21:36] <pen> how can I fix the kernel panic?
[21:37] <icewaterman> hm, is there a way to forbid firefox to use orbit for tcpip?
[21:37] <icewaterman> because in my scenario that doesnt work
[21:37] <rww> chairman: sorry, I had to step away for a minute. did you get the flash plugin thing figured out, or are you still having problems?
[21:37] <dr_willis> technopagan,  not that i am aware of.
[21:37] <technopagan> rww: I am unable to delete some themes I've installed recently and thought it might be that... So it isn't?
[21:38] <bhuey> folks, I'm getting a hang dealing with ldconfig on upgrade
[21:38] <dr_willis> technopagan,  your user can change the modes on their own files to restrict oterhs from reading them.
[21:38] <technopagan> dr_willis: Thanks
[21:38] <bhuey> restart the upgrade process ? or am I screwed ?
[21:39] <pen> no one experience this problem?
[21:39] <rww> technopagan: shouldn't be, since the gtk theme manager runs under your user account, afaik
[21:39] <void^> pen: try a more verbose description of your problem
[21:40] <pen> void^: I had kernel panic for no reason at all (or reasons I don't know)
[21:40] <chairman> sawas i did tht an it said i got it installed
[21:41] <pen> void^: I'm using the lastest kernel I think is 2.6.27..
[21:41] <technopagan> rww: Hm, ok. Still I cannot delete a theme once I've installed it. I just tested it again. Strange.
[21:41] <chairman> still having probs rww
[21:41] <dr_willis> technopagan,  depends on who/how you installed it i guess.. I just copy mine to my users .theme directory
[21:41] <rhkfin> Before reinstalling just a quick: anyone have tips for failing X that doesn't give any errors in the Xorg log files. nvidia 9600gs with glx-177 and various xorg configs (&KDE4)
[21:42] <rww> technopagan: try navigating to your ~/.themes/ directory and deleting them manually?
[21:42] <technopagan> dr_willis: I'm using the usual theme-manager.
[21:42] <dr_willis> You are not using a KVM  are you rhkfin ?
[21:42] <rhkfin> dr_willis: no
[21:42] <dr_willis> technopagan,  try rww's tip
[21:43] <technopagan> rww: Definitely a possible solution. But it's still odd that theme-manager isn't able to, isn't it?
[21:43] <rww> chairman: okays. Where are you up to? Did you add the multiverse repository? Did you install flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:43] <rww> technopagan: Yeah, it is. I might do some testing on it when I get time.
[21:43] <rhkfin> hmm.. at least I think I'm not.. processor does support it but I haven't installed that stuff from what I know..
[21:43] <technopagan> rww: Thank you!
[21:44] <pen> what kernel are you guys using?
[21:44] <rww> technopagan: maybe try chmodding your ~/.themes/ directory to give everyone write access? i know it's not good security-wise, but it'd establish whether it's a permissions thing
[21:44] <chairman> i don't know the url to tht rww and it said i got the playerrri installed
[21:45] <pen> help
[21:45] <Kwiwaa> can someone help me please with a sound problem ? (no sound at all)
[21:45] <chairman> do u have the url
[21:45] <technopagan> rww: I'll try opening up the restrictions step by step + see at what stage it'll start working.
[21:46] <rww> chairman: I'm not sure what you mean by URL. Do you mean the URL of the multiverse repository?
[21:46] <chairman> yes
[21:47] <rww> chairman: if you have the URL of the main, restricted, or universe repositories, it should be the same as them, only replacing main/restricted/universe with "multiverse"
[21:47] <chairman> i mean APT line rww; sorry
[21:47] <technopagan> rww: It's the group.
[21:47] <technopagan> rww: My group needs to have write permit.
[21:47] <rww> chairman: my apt-line for multiverse is "deb http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse"
[21:48] <rww> technopagan: huh, that's odd
[21:49] <technopagan> rww: Tell me about it ... ;)
[21:49] <chairman> got it.now i got to wait n see
[21:51] <rhkfin> Still can't run the usb-installation, it keeps looking for a cd.. weird..
[21:58] <rhkfin> hmm.. this solved my original upgrade porblems: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/287488
[21:58] <rhkfin> nice..
[21:58] <Daisuke_Ido> so what replaced kaudiocreator in intrepid?
[21:59] <NET||abuse> hi guys. having same issue with skype on 2 machines, both intrepid, one is 64bit desktop, other is 32bit eeepc, both when i try to make the test call or answer a call or any call really, just pops up "problem with audio playback" on the call dialog and closes after a second.
[21:59] <scorch_> Got a High latency problem...  My internet connection (when I am d-loading from the repos) consistently fluctuates from 5000B to 371Kb per/sec.  No problem in windows when downloading.  Any ideas?
[22:00] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, what device for input have you selected on the skyp config dialog ?
[22:00] <dr_willis> servers are experienceing quite a bit of load the last few days.. that could be the issue.. also could be windows is lieing about the speeds. :)
[22:00] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: i will check that out, one sec.
[22:00] <scorch_> dr_willis: well i am pinging www.google.com and it has not gone aboce 41.5ms for the past 30min
[22:00] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, I had some headaches until figure a working config for skype :\
[22:01] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: yeh, just says default device.
[22:01] <NET||abuse> drop down has a few options.
[22:01] <joaopinto> I am using "pulseaudio" for playback, and I have selected the hw device for the input
[22:01] <joaopinto> default device did not work for me
[22:01] <dr_willis> google.com is a set to be random google servers I belive..  - so that may not be a good test.
[22:01] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: so for "sound in" and "sound out" just select pulse?
[22:02] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, yes, assuming you are also using pulseaudio in general (selected on system options sounds)
[22:02] <scorch_> dr_willis: well it has bee a consistant 209.85.165.147 return for the past 30min
[22:02] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, this is nuts :\  no kaudiocreator :(  and i have no clue if soundjuicer uses cdparanoia
[22:02] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: that was easy!!! awsome, thanks.
[22:02] <scorch_> dr_willis: so i think its good...  do have another server sugestion
[22:02] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, ;)
[22:02] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: darn, no mic plugged in... grr.
[22:02] <joaopinto> lol
[22:02] <NET||abuse> if it works on my eeepc, that would be AWSOME! and the webcam, would be bonus.
[22:03] <dr_willis> normally when a new release is about to hit.. i update/upgrade a few days befor.. then wait a week or more befor i do the next update/upgrade. :) to avoide the high load/slow server tims
[22:03] <joaopinto> my webcam is working fine on skype, logitech E3500
[22:03] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: eeepc 1000h built in webcam
[22:03] <scorch_> dr_willis: i mean another server to ping
[22:03] <dr_willis> ping tests are not really a good test of download speeds.. there are those download test sites i guess ya could try
[22:04] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, you know that there is a specific ubuntu version tailed for eeepc, right ?
[22:04] <scorch_> dr: I have been using speakeasy...   no problem there
[22:04] <joaopinto> erm, tailored
[22:05] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: yeh, i thought about that.. but just doesn't seem right ot be using a niche version, if i can get stuff to work on the mainline distro, then it would negate the need for fargmentation ofthe distro
[22:05] <NET||abuse> i'm kind of against the splintering, or branching of ubuntu for supporting specific systems.
[22:06] <joaopinto> ok :)
[22:06] <Kimf> I'm having a rather non standard problem, that might be a more general problem. I'm running vista on a (nvidia fake)raid 0 and installed ubuntu 8.10 on a 3rd drive (nonraid). I'm booting this from the vista bootmanager with grub4dos and the menu.lst file from the ubuntu install. But I only get a busybox in the initramfs and a message that it can not find /dev/sdc1 (where it is installed)
[22:08] <pen> hi
[22:08] <pen> I wonder if anyone know why sometimes 8.10 has kernel panic
[22:09] <Daisuke_Ido> so is there a recommended cd extractor that replaces kaudiocreator *and* uses the cdparanoia backend?
[22:09] <rww> pen: there are lots of different reasons for kernel panics. usually, there's text before the actual panic that would narrow down the cause for us. next time it happens, please write down this text and put it in pastebin so we have an idea of where to start helping you.
[22:09] <pen> rww: where is the text?
[22:10] <pen> rww: when it happen I can't move anything and the cap lock led is flashing
[22:11] <Kimf> I sometimes get this on my laptop when booting, but just a black screen
[22:13] <dr_willis> ive noticed if i jump to the console as my laptop is booting/starting X.. some times I have a black screen when i go back to X.
[22:13] <dr_willis> had to restart X server to get it back
[22:16] <captainc> what is the compiz-decorator program? do i configure that to use emerald instead of metacity or just replace the WM line in CCSM?
[22:16] <Elektrikz> yo guys, wanted to know, when it the best to upgrade ubuntu, couple of days before the release, or to wait for the final release so I dont expirience any problems while doing it or afterwards?
[22:17] <pen_> I just have a kernel panic....
[22:17] <jin> when you click on the desktop or any where on your screen the  volume bar does not disappear. Is this a change in gnome or  bug?
[22:17] <pen_> how can I diagnosis
[22:17] <jin> am I the only one experiencing this?
[22:17] <captainc> Elektrikz: I'm running just fine. I'd download the cd now from torrent so that you can beat the rush.
[22:17] <dr_willis> compiz is the 'window manager' that can run several of the decorators, emerald is one window decorator, theres also the gtk/gnome one and the kde one.
[22:17] <jin> I have Rc1 and I just did an upgrade form Hardy
[22:17] <captainc> Elektrikz: I installed this past weekend.
[22:17] <dr_willis> emerald --replace  -> will switch to the emreald decorations
[22:18] <dr_willis> you may want to use the 'fusion-icon' tool - if playing with compiz.
[22:18] <pen_> anyone?
[22:18] <captainc> dr_willis: In CCSM, under the window manager section, it uses the command /usr/bin/compiz-decorator . I was going to replace it with emerald --replace, but I haven't seen this before and wanted to gain more insight first.
[22:19] <Elektrikz> captainc: I'm asking coz Iam kinda afraid of problems (losing all the data,or f*cking up something) while upgrading and so
[22:19] <dr_willis> captainc,   imagine the  compiz-decorator is some sort of link to the system default decorator.. which is one of those 3 i mentioned earlier.
[22:19] <captainc> Elektrikz: I would back up important data before any upgrade.
[22:19] <dr_willis> No need to mess with that setting really. I would just use the fusion-icon tool
[22:20] <captainc> dr_willis: installing now...
[22:20] <pen> no one ?
[22:20] <pen> how can I diagnosis kernel panic?
[22:20] <Elektrikz> captainc:  ye,ofc,I will do that... so you say its okey if I do the upgrade with RC1?
[22:21] <Daekdroom> Caps/Scroll/Num Lock leds flick like crazy
[22:21] <a1len> Hi everyone. I was wondering, how do I associate python to .py files? And once I do that, how do I run it using the terminal?
[22:21] <icewaterman> there is a serious bug with hal
[22:21] <icewaterman> todays update broke network connection
[22:21] <captainc> Elektrikz: yeah, it seems stable and good to me. I'm running just fine.
[22:21] <pen> how can I diagnosis kernel panic?
[22:21] <icewaterman> in order to reconnect to the network after reboot you need to disable hal and set all the settings manually. after that you can update (if there is a fix)
[22:21] <Elektrikz> captainc: pretty new to upgrading, I started using ubuntu (linux) with hardy...
[22:21] <Daekdroom> pen: Caps/Scroll/Num Lock leds on keyboard flick
[22:21] <Elektrikz> captainc: never used it before, so i wanna be sure to do something before doing it:)
[22:22] <pen> Daekdroom: well, I just had that
[22:22] <pen> Daekdroom: I don't know how to stop it
[22:22] <captainc> dr_willis: I selected emerald with fusion-icon, and it replaced the command line in CCSM with "emerald --replace"!
[22:23] <Daisuke_Ido> captainc: why do you sound so shocked?
[22:23] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how emerald gets launched
[22:23] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev not modprobe a module?
[22:24] <captainc> Daisuke_Ido: cause I was just going to do that by hand before.
[22:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: blacklist it?
[22:24] <Daekdroom> Daisuke_Ido: Fine. Tell me how to REALLY blacklist it. Because it didn't work.
[22:24] <Daisuke_Ido> captainc: that's why fusion-icon is nice :)
[22:24] <dr_willis> captainc,  magical eh? :)
[22:24] <dr_willis> programs working together to set the same settings in a standard way
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: nice attitude there.  you just asked how to stop a module from being loaded.  you didn't five any other information
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> give*
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway...  i'm just a tad bitter at the moment
[22:25] <captainc> yes, very nice
[22:25] <Daekdroom> Daisuke_Ido: Sorry. It's because I been with this question up in the past 3 days. Well. So.. I should put blacklist (module name) at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, right?
[22:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: in theory
[22:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: my apologies, i wasn't aware it was a long-standing issue :)
[22:27] <underwraps_2k> after installing Nvidia drivers 173 for an FX5200 should glxinfo still have "OpenGl vendor string: Mesa Project" in it?
[22:27] <Daekdroom> Daisuke_Ido: The plan B would be fill a bug report about the module and wait? o.o
[22:28] <pen_> omg
[22:28] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: unfortunately, that seems to be as good a plan as any
[22:28] <pen_> I just had another kernel PANIC
[22:29] <jin> what is wrong with the gnome dev team?
[22:29] <x1250> so, what is it with the _unfriendly_ cruft remover, aka system-cleaner? It shows a window with no info, with a bunch of packages "marked". Does this mean they will be removed or not removed? Pretty confusing peace of software.
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> pen: when did these start?
[22:29] <pen> I don't know
[22:29] <pen> It starts randomly
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> no, when did you start having them
[22:29] <jin> who do they changed the behavior of the volume bar?
[22:29] <dr_willis> x1250,  i think it just does that apt-get autoremove  thing...
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> a day ago, a week ago
[22:29] <pen> Daisuke_Ido: after new kernel like .27?
[22:29] <dr_willis> x1250,  it removed a few packages the other day for me.. when i tried it.
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> dr_willis: it does a bit more than that
[22:30] <condon> good evening, just upgraded to 8.10 and now my compiz isn't working - says "Checking for Xgl: not present."
[22:30] <condon> everything else passed
[22:30] <dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  its rather 'limited' in its info as to what it was doing.. :) but if you say so.
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> dr_willis: i just compared the autoremove list to the system cleaner list
[22:31] <dr_willis> I find the use of the term 'cruft' to be a bit err... possibialy confusing to non-english speakers also.. but thats not really a big deal
[22:31] <pen> help
[22:31] <condon> Any idea how to fix this?  Compiz was working beautifully on 8.04
[22:32] <condon> other output says "/usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format"
[22:32] <x1250> it wants to remove w32codecs package :)
[22:32] <jin> condon, try to reinstall the driver
[22:32] <condon> nvidia?
[22:32] <dr_willis> I noticed just now that medibuntu dident want to 'update'
[22:32] <jin> condon, yes
[22:32] <jin> condon, asuming you have a nvidia card
[22:33] <x1250> wohooo, E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), crappy Cruft Remover died on me.
[22:33] <pen> no one knows how to prevent kernel panic
[22:33] <pen> I'm sad
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> kernel panics can be caused by literally MILLIONS of things
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not a simple "do this and life will be good" thing
[22:33] <pen> but it was working fine in older kernel
[22:34] <dr_willis> heh.. the term 'cruft remover' in the menus  - could definatly be more specific.
[22:34] <keith> My girlfriends machine (on kubuntu) is having trouble connecting to our router via wireless. The router assigns her an IP, then kubuntu says its disconnected, and thats it. She can manually d/c while connecting - and the router logs it as a deauth.
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> oh niiiiice
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> i ran the system cleaner
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> it removes any packages you've installed manually
[22:35] <dr_willis> its def. NOT the same as 'apt-get autoremove'
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> that's BULLS***
[22:35] <dr_willis> its showing some old kernel versions here..
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> that too
[22:35] <dr_willis> id did not install those manually :)
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i had installed something from a deb package
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> it removed it
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> no, that's only part of what it does
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> old kernel versions, manually installed packages
[22:36] <dr_willis> makes one wonder how it knows that you installed it that way..vs other ways...
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> what they decide is cruft, in other words.
[22:36] <dr_willis> one of those tools that people will overlook.. or notice and break things :)
[22:36] <pen> how do I downgrade kernel properly?
[22:37] <SilentDis> hello :)
[22:37] <pen> I took a guess
[22:37] <keith> Anybody had the same issues with wireless?
[22:37] <keith> its quite frustrating!
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hopefully people will overlook it, because it broke things for me.  it said specifically (.deb) package
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> so okay, it's going to remove the *package* file
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> but noooo
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> it removes the software...  leaves the .deb
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> absolutely smashingly stupid.
[22:38] <keith> lol awesome
[22:39] <dr_willis> :)
[22:39] <ozatomic> hey guys, i've been having problems with gnome with updating to 8.10 and i've jsut been waiting to see if updates fix the problem which they have not been able to. Is there anyone here that could help me out thanks.
[22:39] <dr_willis> see i dident even think of it that way.. :)
[22:39] <dr_willis> they need a link in the word 'cruft' to point to a doc defining what its going to remove :)
[22:40] <rhsanborn> Does anyone know the package name of the new network manager? I just did a dist upgrade and I don't think it's available because I had wicd installed prior to upgrade./
[22:40] <Kimf> I'm having a rather non standard problem, that might be a more general problem. I'm running vista on a (nvidia fake)raid 0 and installed ubuntu 8.10 on a 3rd drive (nonraid). I'm booting this from the vista bootmanager with grub4dos and the menu.lst file from the ubuntu install. But I only get a busybox in the initramfs and a message that it can not find /dev/sdc1 (where it is installed)
[22:40] <dr_willis> has anyone tried the 'create usb startup disk' feature yet?
[22:41] <rhsanborn> found it network-manager-gnome
[22:41] <keith> dr_willis: it works with non cheap flash drives
[22:41] <rhsanborn> and yes, it was wicd or that.
[22:41] <dr_willis> it seems to create a usb-bootable thumb drive with some sort of persistant storage area.. :) wondering if it worked.
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like an automated persis... what you said
[22:42] <x1250> for what I just saw, the Cruft Remover attempts to uninstall every package that has no dependency on it, and doesn't exist in repositories. Something like obsolete packages in synaptic; like w32codecs, for example.
[22:42] <dr_willis> i was wondering how it compared to unetbootin tool.
[22:42] <Seeker`> I'm having problems with installing intrepid
[22:42] <keith> dr_willis: it works fine, but you need to have a flash drive with 512kb blocks
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> but...  it probably makes your pc blow up, if the "cruft remover" is any indication
[22:42] <x1250> I didn't like the tool, though.
[22:42] <Seeker`> If i use the "install ubuntu" option from the CD menu, it gets as far as loading the wallpaper, then freezes
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> x1250: or anything installed manually
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> from an outside source
[22:42] <dr_willis> cant say that i  ever noticed the block size on my usb drives..
[22:43] <Seeker`> I believe it is kernel panicing, as the scroll + caps lock keys are flashing
[22:43] <Seeker`> I tried booting without the splash screen, and there aren't any obvious errors coming up before X starts
[22:43] <pen> How to narrow it down?
[22:43] <pen> kernel panic
[22:43] <keith> dr_willis: its kind of like... if it doesn't work you've got the wrong block size, i don't think there is an easy way to find out. but the program is easy to use otherwise
[22:44] <dr_willis> Hmm..  ive never seen/heard of that limit with useing unetbootin. but it could be my 3 thumbdrives all have proper limits
[22:44] <keith> pen, how are you connecting to the net?
[22:45] <keith> dr_willis: they're basically the same thing, unetbootin has that problem too
[22:46] <x1250> I hate the system cleaner.
[22:47] <Daisuke_Ido> x1250: so far that's pretty much universal
[22:47] <Daisuke_Ido> it's even worse for someone who comes over from windows and installs software from outside sources.  they go to clean things up and all of their custom-installed software is gone
[22:47] <x1250> Daisuke_Ido, right!
[22:47] <Seeker`> anyone got any ideas?
[22:48] <Daekdroom> Ubuntu is always released too premature :/
[22:48] <Daisuke_Ido> granted, that's probably a pretty unlikely scenario, but i guarantee it's going to happen at least once.
[22:48] <seij0>  does anyone know how to get DWL-520+ wireless working in Ubuntu 8.10? I installed the driver using ndiswrapper. I'm not sure what the problem is. I also can not see wireless configuration on the network manager, all I see is dial-up. The card is seated properly, and I have restarted. Here is the lspci information: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63430/ Please help I have no idea what to do
[22:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Daekdroom: it hasn't been released yet :)
[22:48] <Daekdroom> Yet, we won't have big changes untill the release
[22:48] <maxb> It is a hard balance to set. Time-based releases drive development well.
[22:48] <dr_willis> its not flagging the w64codecs package here.. :)
[22:49] <geoaxis> hello people, i just want to get the feel that how much work will the ubuntu dev team be doing from now till 30th
[22:49] <x1250> Daisuke_Ido, I don't think that would be too rare :)
[22:49] <condon> alright, reinstalled the nvidia driver, didn't work, tried the other driver (the one I had installed before upgrading) and get the same result.
[22:49] <Prez00> i have internet connection via gprs on my cell phone, linux based moto ming a1200, should I be able to use it as a modem and connect with ubuntu ibex, specifically?  what stuff should i get from my carrier to make this work?
[22:49] <condon> Ideas?
[22:49] <scopecreep> geoaxis, id imagine theyre busting their tails
[22:50] <versus> hi i installed intrepid on my hardy using the intrepid repos but I missed to to a dist upgrade using sudo update-manager -d when I use the update manager by now (a lot intrepid files are already installed) it tells me: An upgrade from 'intrepid' to 'hardy' is not supported with this tool. what can I do to make him install the updates left?
[22:50] <Elektrikz> yo,guys ,what is the best way to do an update from hardy to intrepid?
[22:51] <pen> kernel panic
[22:51] <pen> how do I start diagnosis this?
[22:51] <pen> is there a log for this?
[22:52] <seij0>  does anyone know how to get DWL-520+ wireless working in Ubuntu 8.10? I installed the driver using ndiswrapper. I'm not sure what the problem is. I also can not see wireless configuration on the network manager, all I see is dial-up. The card is seated properly, and I have restarted. Here is the lspci information: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63430/ Please help I have no idea what to do
[22:52] <condon> compiz reports "Checking for Xgl: not present." - Reinstalled the nvidia driver and then installed the original I had with
[22:52] <versus> Elektrikz basically sudo update-manager -d and then the dist upgrade button
[22:52] <condon> compiz reports "Checking for Xgl: not present." - Reinstalled the nvidia driver and then installed the original I had with
[22:53] <condon> version 8.04
[22:53] <condon> sorry for the repeat, numpad acting funny
[22:54] <dr_willis> I dident think nvidia drivers used xgl..
[22:54] <crdlb> harmless warning
[22:54] <condon> don't know, trying to run compiz --replace
[22:54] <crdlb> it's idiotic that compiz-manager bothers to mention that, but I have no control of that :/
[22:55] <condon> last message says "/usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12image format"
[22:55] <crdlb> also completely normal
[22:55] <dr_willis> warnings are warnings.. :)
[22:55] <condon> then why won't compiz run?
[22:55] <dr_willis> 'warning! this is a warning!'
[22:55] <dr_willis> :)
[22:55] <crdlb> it is running
[22:55] <condon> keeps defaulting back to KDE manager
[22:55] <pen> kernel panic
[22:55] <dr_willis> kde manager? or kde window decorations?
[22:55] <condon> window deco
[22:55] <dr_willis> compiz + kde4 ?
[22:55] <condon> yeah
[22:56] <dr_willis> compiz is the window manager,  the otehr tools controll the decorations
[22:56] <dr_willis> emerald --replace, and so on.
[22:56] <condon> it was working fine before I upgraded from .04 to .10
[22:56] <dr_willis> and i know better then to try to mixx kde4 + compiz. :)
[22:56] <crdlb> but the default is one that mimicks kde's decorations
[22:56] <condon> But I'm getting no effects, no wobble, cube, nothin.
[22:56] <crdlb> condon: how about windows key + E?
[22:57] <dr_willis> install/try that ccsm tool? see if they are just disabled.
[22:57] <condon> k, that worked.  Just need to tweak it again?
[22:57] <condon> hell, let me go play.  Thanks guys
[22:59] <maxb> Does anyone know where (if anywhere) gnome-keyring-daemon as started by pam_gnome_keyring would log to?
[22:59] <SilentDis> help me obi-wan-ubotu, you're my only hope!
[22:59] <SilentDis> !lan
[22:59] <SilentDis> bah!
[22:59] <dr_willis> 'dont give in to the dark side'
[22:59] <SilentDis> lol
[23:00] <SilentDis> I'm looking to setup a Kubunut 8.10 machine with a static IP on a home lan, no router.  (just so 2 'puters can talk to each other)
[23:01] <SilentDis> not finding what i need to get this to go, and i'm just not sure where else to look
[23:01] <SilentDis> suppose i could go hack it in the back end, but i just know there's an 'elegant' way i'm overlooking
[23:03] <pen> How do I diagnosis kernel panic?
[23:03] <versus> any ideas how to sort this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/281359 ? I couldnt find a solution yet?
[23:04] <dr_willis> set up both machiens with a static ip. or install a dhcp server on one.. perhaps SilentDis
[23:04] <SilentDis> dr_willis: the DHCP server was what i was gonna do... i really don't wanna add the overhead.  I've tried dropping a static IP on this machine using knetworkmanager, but it won't activate for some reason.
[23:05] <dr_willis> ive used the network managers to set static ips befor..
[23:05] <dr_willis> but it seems network-manager under ubuntu/kubuntu can be...  picky at times
[23:05] <dr_willis> i think theres some configs in /etc/ one can edit also
[23:06] <dr_willis> there are mini-dhcp servers out that dont take much  space/reso.
[23:06] <alteregoa> close your eyes and touch your nose
[23:06] <dr_willis> udhcpd - very small DHCP server
[23:06] <dr_willis> !info udhcpd
[23:07] <SilentDis> ahhh, that'll do nicely in fact.
[23:07] <SilentDis> centrilize the setup, that works :)
[23:07] <dr_willis> i used that at work for a small lan for me and some guys.. :)
[23:08] <dr_willis> was easier then setting everyone to be static
[23:10] <siloko> anyone else got a severe performance hit with xorg on 8.10
[23:10] <siloko> mine sometimes uses 35 per cent cpu watching a game of chess on an internet client
[23:11] <siloko> cpu usage in 8.04 for the same task aroun3 - 4 per cent
[23:11] <siloko> pretty much makes ibex unusable for me :(
[23:13] <dr_willis> well ya know those chess games get very intense...
[23:13] <dr_willis> What are you watching them with?
[23:14] <Daekdroom> siloko: If the driver Xorg is using has changed, thats it
[23:14] <dr_willis> sounds like it could be a flash issue also.. if using flash
[23:15] <siloko> Daekdroom: how to change that?
[23:15] <Daekdroom> It depends
[23:15] <siloko> dr_willis: eboard!!
[23:16] <siloko> dr_willis: a very lightweight application
[23:16] <doggymenz> I heard that only nvidia177 is for latest xorg in 8.10, and that earlier drivers dont work? when will they work?
[23:16] <Daekdroom> If the driver changed during the update, probally because it couldn't use the same driver as before
[23:16]  * solarion hopes the elantech driver gets in the mainline kernel for ubuntu+2.
[23:16] <underwraps_2k> In hardware drivers, when I click on 'Activate' nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? Nvidia accelerated graphics driver (version 173) is greyed out and lower left it says This driver is not activated
[23:16] <siloko> Daekdroom: I just have a standard centrino laptop (915 chipset)
[23:17] <doggymenz> underwraps_2k, only 177 exists for newest xorg used in 8.10, nvidia havent updated the 173 :(
[23:17] <doggymenz> i wonder when they will
[23:17] <doggymenz> solarion, elantech?
[23:17] <Daekdroom> siloko: Oh well. Intel driver is very stable. I have no idea what it might be. Did the software version change? (eboard)
[23:17] <siloko> Daekdroom: nope . . .
[23:18] <siloko> Daekdroom: this is an xorg problem - it overwrote my xorg.config with a new version and the way xorg handles multiple screens has changed
[23:18] <siloko> Daekdroom: my previous xorg.cong now crashes the server
[23:18] <siloko> Daekdroom: xorg.conf
[23:19] <Daekdroom> siloko: You just did a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to get a new xorg.conf?
[23:19] <siloko> Daekdroom: just did an upgrade, reboot and the server hung asking me what i wanted to do - I said start from scratch
[23:20] <siloko> Daekdroom: I then noticed the performance hit - exchanged my backed up xorg.conf for the new won - rebooted the server and it hung
[23:20] <siloko> Daekdroom: so now I am stuck with this version
[23:20] <Daekdroom> siloko: Pastebin both Xorg.conf
[23:20] <underwraps_2k> doggymenz: does this mean I will have to wait for nvidia to release an updated driver before I can use 8.10
[23:20] <siloko> ok
[23:23] <Winkie> reposting from before: hey guys, what would the process be to get a52 support re-enabled in libasound2-plugins? trying to install libavcodec-dev gives me a  problem in that libavcodec-unstripped-51 is in intrepid and conflicts with libavcodec51
[23:24] <ianliu_88> Youtube is not working with firefox and Totem doesn't play any sound from youtube videos. Anyone experiencing that?
[23:24] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok, posted to one file - ibex followed by gutsy - gutsy xorg.conf mostly written by hand:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/63446/
[23:25] <Daekdroom> Wow. That is kinda of a big xorg.conf for 7.3
[23:26] <siloko> Daekdroom: I've had an incremental upgrade since 6.04 :)
[23:27] <Daekdroom> siloko: When Xorg hungs with the old conf, does it say anything about the error? (never looked at the new Xorg crash screen)
[23:28] <siloko> Daekdroom: Just flashes a lot and then tells me the server crashed - I haven't looked at the logs (opps)
[23:29] <siloko> Daekdroom: I have my old system mirrored on another drive so can restore to that if this is resolvable :)
[23:29] <Daekdroom> siloko: Are the screens set as two different desktop areas?
[23:29] <siloko> Daekdroom: in the current system xorg seems to treat them as one virtual space - i think this is the p[roblem
[23:30] <siloko> Daekdroom: I don't know how to revert to my old system . .
[23:30] <siloko> Daekdroom: given the config options for outlining two screens are no longer available
[23:31] <siloko> Daekdroom: also worth noting, I unconfigured the second screen and just used the native laptop screen - it was an improvement but not by much, and was still much worse than the previous setup
[23:31] <Daekdroom> siloko: Do you have 3D support and such?
[23:31] <siloko> Daekdroom: no
[23:31] <Daekdroom> with the current conf, I mean
[23:32] <siloko> Daekdroom: no
[23:32] <Daekdroom> Did you have it with the old conf?
[23:32] <siloko> Daekdroom: no effects, no compiz, no nothing :)
[23:32] <siloko> Daekdroom: in either setup
[23:32] <Daekdroom> siloko: It never worked or you never tried?
[23:33] <siloko> Daekdroom: no it worked but compiz was a bit sluggisjh in the old setup and i prefer a responsive interface
[23:33] <siloko> Daekdroom: I haven't enabled it in Ibex
[23:33] <Daekdroom> I see. Does it work now? (just test it)
[23:34] <siloko> Daekdroom: no it doesn't work!!
[23:34] <siloko> Daekdroom: "Deaktop Effects could no be enabled"
[23:34] <siloko> Daekdroom: excuse typos
[23:35] <Daekdroom> siloko: Try putting 	Driver		"intel" after 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device" (in the current xorg.conf)
[23:35] <siloko> Daekdroom: it flashed a bit as though the system was trying things out and then bailed
[23:35] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok - then i'll reboot the x server so will be gone for a bit
[23:36] <Daekdroom> k
[23:39] <nemo> getting weird visual artifacts with my title bar in 8.10
[23:40] <nemo> if I click focus off and on this gnome-terminal, every once in a while it won't redraw correctly
[23:40] <nemo> it'll redraw as a flat empty area the background colour - with no buttons and even the shadow not drawn, so the title seems too large
[23:41] <nemo> the icon in the upper left *is* drawn
[23:41] <nemo> if I click again, it is drawn correctly
[23:41] <nemo> anyone else notice this?  using compiz and nvidia
[23:41] <nemo> graphics card isn't anything special, but didn't use to have problems
[23:42] <ianliu_88> I'm having a bug with Rhytmbox and Firefox&Flash. When Rhytmbox is running, Flash movies aren't able to play sound and sometimes it just crash
[23:42] <Daekdroom> ianliu_88: Are you using ubuntu 8.10 or 8.04?
[23:42] <Daekdroom> That seems a 8.04 situation
[23:42] <ianliu_88> 8.10
[23:42] <ianliu_88> beta
[23:43] <ianliu_88> I didn't installed the RC, but I suppose the Beta upgraded to the RC version
[23:43] <ianliu_88> I tried opening firefox by terminal, but no errors are printed
[23:44] <Daekdroom> ianliu_88: The audio bug is because flash tries to lock oss all for itself, but Rhythmbox is using it through Pulseaudio. About the crashes.. Does FF crash or does Flash itself?
[23:44] <gabi> hello
[23:44] <gabi> I am trying to install ibex on an asus eee pc
[23:44] <ianliu_88> only the flash. For eg. on youtube, I can interact with the flash movie. If I hit play it plays 3 seconds and stop
[23:45] <ianliu_88> and no sounds
[23:45] <EyesOfARaven> gabi: i hav it on my eeepc 900, perhaps i can help u
[23:45] <ianliu_88> let me test something..
[23:45] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, did you get the netbook remix package going?
[23:46] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, and wireless?
[23:46] <EyesOfARaven> i installed parts of the netbook remix package
[23:46] <EyesOfARaven> not all of it
[23:46] <ianliu_88> some time ago I switched the sound drivers to OSS, since the AutoDetect wasn't working. Maybe its this?
[23:46] <EyesOfARaven> and yes, my wifi works
[23:46] <EyesOfARaven> the wifi was working out of the box until today's updates
[23:46] <EyesOfARaven> there's a package u can install to fix it now
[23:46] <Daekdroom> ianliu_88: Probally
[23:46] <Daekdroom> ianliu_88: but how wasn't AutoDetect working?
[23:46] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, cool
[23:47] <EyesOfARaven> its the backported kernel modules for the new version
[23:47] <EyesOfARaven> package is called..
[23:47] <EyesOfARaven> linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic_2.6.27-7.4_i386.deb
[23:47] <ianliu_88> Daekdroom: dunno, it simply wasn't. I searched the web and people said switching to OSS would work, and it did. Let me switch back to autodetect than I report if it is working
[23:47] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok so putting the extra driver line crashed the server - i commented out the identifier line (the error says I can't have both and used 'i810' instead of 'intel', and i'm back up and running
[23:47] <EyesOfARaven> it's on the ubuntu servers
[23:48] <EyesOfARaven> if u are using one of the cusom kernels from array it might not work
[23:48] <EyesOfARaven> im using the stock one
[23:48] <siloko> Daekdroom: no improvement in performance though . . .
[23:48] <Daekdroom> siloko: Still no 3D support? (compiz/glxgears)
[23:48] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I am using the regular generic kernel
[23:48] <EyesOfARaven> then it shud work for ya
[23:48] <EyesOfARaven> ^^
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> oh, and u will need the wifi drivers too duh
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> lol
[23:49] <ianliu_88> Daekdroom: hey it works now ;)
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> lemme link u that
[23:49] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, sometimes the ok button of some dialog windows wont show, does that happen to you?
[23:49] <siloko> Daekdroom: no
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> gabi: no
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, http://code.google.com/p/eee-ubuntu-support/
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> do NOT install all of it
[23:49] <EyesOfARaven> some of it makes things worse, since this was designed for 8.04
[23:49] <siloko> Daekdroom: should I try with the intel driver?
[23:50] <EyesOfARaven> just install the wifi, kernel modules, and clock
[23:50] <siloko> Daekdroom: will it make a difference
[23:50] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what makes things worse?
[23:50] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, ok
[23:50] <EyesOfARaven> if u install the video drivers from that pack it stops supporting the resolutions correctly
[23:50] <siloko> Daekdroom: glxgears works - no compiz
[23:51] <EyesOfARaven> i dont think the sound driver breaks anything, but u dont need it
[23:51] <Daekdroom> siloko: I thought you put that on the new xorg.conf, did you?
[23:51] <siloko> Daekdroom: no i put 'i810'
[23:51] <Daekdroom> On the new or on the old xorg.conf?
[23:51] <siloko> Daekdroom: new
[23:51] <siloko> Daekdroom: I'll try with inetl
[23:52] <siloko> intel
[23:52] <Daekdroom> siloko: Wait a sec
[23:52] <siloko> ok
[23:52] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, ok, thanks
[23:52] <EyesOfARaven> gabi,  the netbook remix packages are part of the repository now, so u just hav to find out what parts u want and install them with apt-get or synaptic
[23:53] <EyesOfARaven> np
[23:53] <Daekdroom> siloko: Put this on Section "Device"
[23:53] <Daekdroom> siloko:     Option "ForceEnablePipeA" "true"
[23:53] <Daekdroom> siloko: Driver is intel
[23:53] <siloko> Daekdroom: with the driver section still included?
[23:53] <Daekdroom> siloko: Yes
[23:53] <siloko> Dae ok
[23:54] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, so how do I install only the parts you mentioned?
[23:54] <alteregoa> hüle gülle
[23:54] <EyesOfARaven> https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[23:54] <EyesOfARaven> gabi
[23:54] <EyesOfARaven> that tells u the name of the packages for the netbook desktop, and u can choose whatever or all u want
[23:55] <siloko> Daekdroom: so current xorg is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63453/
[23:55] <siloko> Daekdroom: does that look about right?
[23:56] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, should I see lots of netbook packages in synaptic?
[23:56] <EyesOfARaven> i dont use synaptic
[23:56] <EyesOfARaven> sorry, so i dunno
[23:56] <Daekdroom> siloko: Yes. Is your screen resolution 2560 x 1024 anyway?
[23:56] <siloko> Daekdroom: no
[23:56] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, or with apt-cache search...
[23:57] <EyesOfARaven> https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[23:57] <siloko> Daekdroom: that res is the combination of the two widths of my two screens plus the maximum height
[23:57] <EyesOfARaven> just look there
[23:57] <EyesOfARaven> and apt-get install whichever u want
[23:57] <siloko> Daekdroom: the virtual resolution
[23:57] <Daekdroom> siloko: So they're working as only one screen, is that you it's meant to be?
[23:57] <siloko> Daekdroom: yes
[23:57] <Daekdroom> I guess the xorg.conf seems right.
[23:57] <Daekdroom> It's about restarting X and praying now xD
[23:58] <siloko> siloko: that's how my previous setup was . . . but i had to configure the two screens manually - to work as one
[23:58] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok BRB :)
[23:58] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, so I should add some lines to the sources.list file I suppose
[23:58] <EyesOfARaven> i dont think i had to
[23:59] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, ok I see them now
[23:59] <EyesOfARaven> ^^