[00:02] <Flannel> wow, an entry without a hello sinners.
[00:38] <Flannel> whaaa?
[00:38] <Flannel> !gtfo
[00:38] <Flannel> !noob
[00:38] <Flannel> odd.
[00:56] <Flannel> orifice: Howdy.
[00:57] <LjL> orifice, how about you change your quit message, it isn't entirely nice
[00:58] <Flannel> LjL: believe he's idle
[01:00] <Flannel> ubottu: tell cooldude|away about away
[01:07] <orifice> well ok, I'll do that ...
[01:07] <LjL> thanks
[01:10] <Flannel> orifice: You can rejoin #ubuntu
[01:34] <LjL> what's going to happen to #kubuntu-kde4 now
[01:35] <Flannel> Not sure.
[01:35] <Flannel> orifice: Please don't idle here.
[01:35] <nalioth> PARTY!
[01:36] <Flannel> You can either do 4 and 3 support in the same channel, or make a -kde3 channel for older versions
[01:36] <nalioth> kde3 support will be waning
[01:36] <Flannel> Only another year of KDE3 support, yeah.
[01:37] <nalioth> and that will be only for the folks who've not upgraded
[01:37] <LjL> which is why i'll probably be switching to something else anyway
[01:37] <Flannel> nalioth: Yeah, but we have plenty of people in #ubuntu who have older versions, they won't go away
[01:37] <nalioth> Flannel: understood, but eventyally, they _will_ go away
[02:08] <mneptok> *sigh*
[02:09] <mneptok> children.
[02:12] <mneptok> if wsa should come complaining, i refer you to: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63089/
[02:12] <mneptok> off for TV
[02:40] <orifice> sorry.  
[05:48] <Flannel> ubottu: tell oly562 about coc
[06:34] <Flannel> Anyone awake?
[06:34] <Tm_T> hm?
[06:35] <Flannel> Just asking for a second opinion, but you're not in #u, so don't worry about it.
[06:35] <Tm_T> aww
[06:35] <Flannel> He... already took the liberty of removing the doubt
[06:36] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:36] <bazhang_> without question. Toyota Corolla?
[06:36] <Flannel> Heh
[06:36] <Flannel> That's what got him kicked the first time.
[06:37] <Flannel> Ah, and of course, he's a talker.
[06:37] <bazhang_> he is in PM? 
[06:37] <Flannel> Aye
[06:37] <bazhang_> oof
[06:38] <Flannel> Nothing terribly witty though, unfortunately.
[06:38] <bazhang_> clearly not.
[06:45] <Flannel> great, ban evasion.
[06:54] <mneptok> Flannel: if you're going to be active for a while, just ban 119.11.15.* and be done with it ;)
[06:54] <mneptok> (then remove when you go idle)
[06:54] <Flannel> mneptok: Nah, second one wasn't from there.  Or at least, that I could see.
[06:55] <Flannel> i=plural@creep.bur.st]
[06:55] <mneptok> EF_Codd was who i was talking about
[06:55] <Flannel> mneptok: right, same guy.
[06:55] <Flannel> came back as that host
[06:56] <mneptok> so ban both >:)
[06:56] <Flannel> I did.
[06:57] <mneptok> well, not the wildcard raw IP
[06:57] <mneptok> *shrug*
[06:57] <mneptok> juss sayin'. he's your ... project. :/
[06:57] <Flannel> if he came back, I'm sure it'd be with an entirely different host, etc.
[07:02] <Flannel> mneptok: olys been giving mild annoyances all day.
[07:03] <mneptok> yeah, i /lastlog'ed before admonishing
[07:07] <mneptok> !staff ylsid
[07:07] <mneptok> gah
[07:07] <mneptok> !staff
[07:08] <mneptok> ylsid just spammed #u, and is connected to a bunch of other distro channels
[07:08] <mneptok> okee, bedtime
[07:08] <mneptok> noitay
[07:28] <sayedmohu> can somebody help me out
[07:34] <Flannel> sayedmohu: support happens in #ubuntu, this channel is for disciplinary and administrative things.
[07:36] <sayedmohu> so where should i go to get some help
[07:36] <Flannel> sayedmohu: #ubuntu
[07:36] <sayedmohu> i'm already there.... but i'm not getting any satisfactory response
[07:40] <Flannel> sayedmohu: You weren't helping anyone to help you.
[07:40] <sayedmohu> i'm a dummy in ubuntu... so how can i help
[07:41] <Flannel> sayedmohu: When people ask you questions about your problem, answer them.
[07:41] <sayedmohu> didn't u see that i answered???
[07:43] <Flannel> sayedmohu: Then they ask for more information, and you don't answer.  No one can fix a problem if they don't know what the problem is.
[07:43] <sayedmohu> i answered
[08:11] <Flannel> blargh.  s/Sunday/Trollday/
[08:13] <jussi01> Flannel: is it not monday?
[08:13] <Flannel> jussi01: It's 1am, but I haven't gone to sleep yet, so it's still Sunday.  Also, it's the end of the day, and has been this way for an unfortunately large amount of time today.
[08:14]  * jussi01 hugs Flannel
[08:14] <Flannel> I imagine it has to do with the upcoming release.
[08:14] <jussi01> likely
[08:15] <Flannel> oh, and if oly562 steps out of line, ban him.  I've given him many warnings, and had a nice discussion with him.  I imagine he'll wait at least an hour before trying something else though.  But he's really been given too many chances as it is.
[08:33] <Flannel> hmmm, jussi01, ubottu seems to be lagging
[08:33] <jussi01> !test
[08:33] <Flannel> oh wait
[08:33] <jussi01> hehe
[08:33] <Flannel> nope, just a repeat factoid
[09:11] <Flannel> Whos awake with -ot ops?
[09:11] <Flannel> jussi01?
[09:12] <jussi01> nope
[09:12] <jussi01> I dont have ot ops
[09:12] <Flannel> bother.
[09:26] <ikonia> Flannel: -ot lack of ops guys is something I may post about ont he mail list
[09:26] <ikonia> been caught out quite a few times
[09:26] <ikonia> cwillu: what's up ?
[09:28] <cwillu> was about to gripe about the kick-troll in #ubuntu-offtopic.  More because he managed to bait a dozen folks, which defeated my ignore filter :p
[09:28] <ikonia> cwillu: looks like Flannel is sorting it
[09:29] <cwillu> over and done with, yes, thanks :)
[09:29]  * cwillu wonders if he's supposed to leave the channel now :p
[09:29] <ikonia> the elk was awake
[09:29] <ikonia> cwillu: type "/topic"
[09:29] <elkbuntu> is it back?
[09:29] <cwillu> ah, missed that
[09:29] <ikonia> no no
[09:29] <elkbuntu> oh dear
[09:29] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I didn't se you deal with it just flannel hunting for someone
[09:29] <elkbuntu> you lied
[09:30] <ikonia> oh great
[09:30] <ikonia> jussi01: you'r up;)
[09:30] <ikonia> jussi01: remove him, he's trying it in ##linux
[09:30] <ikonia> he's doing it in every channel
[09:30] <Flannel> ikonia: I only got rid of him in #u when he brought that particular incident there. He's been grating on my in #u for at least four hours, slowly.
[09:30] <elkbuntu> !staff ^
[09:30]  * elkbuntu scowls at ubottu
[09:31]  * jussi01 scowls at elkbuntu - learn to use her! :P
[09:31] <ikonia> I know that IP
[09:32] <ikonia> @btlogin
[09:33] <Flannel> ikonia: I didn't see anything earlier
[09:33] <ikonia> Hmmmm
[09:33] <ikonia> same subnet was in my personal logs for some reason
[09:33] <ikonia> maybe a typo on my part
[09:34] <elkbuntu> riiighto. someone please hold me back in #freenode.
[09:34] <Flannel> elkbuntu: what happened?
[09:34] <elkbuntu> i'm being told to /ignore a troll and leave it for the ops of ubuntu channels to deal with
[09:34] <Flannel> nice.
[09:34] <jussi01> elkbuntu: mrhgh
[09:35] <elkbuntu> by a moron unaffiliated
[09:36] <jussi01> yay for christel :)
[09:37] <elkbuntu> christel, note the scrollback, and i'll grep his stupidity from -offtopic
[09:37] <christel> thank you
[09:38] <elkbuntu> he actually left when asked, but is being a serial pest everywhere
[09:39] <Flannel> elkbuntu: he timed out when asked, doubt it was intentional
[09:39] <elkbuntu> Flannel, it's not the first time he's done this
[09:39] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I'm sure.
[09:40] <christel> has he also used a different nick? or is ubuntuhelper the only one?
[09:40] <ikonia> when he signs in it's ubuntu as he appears to be on a live cd
[09:40] <elkbuntu> christel, see http://pastebin.ca/1237663 -- it's without context, but i'm not sure it's needed. can provide if you want.
[09:41] <Flannel> ikonia: its actually U first, then he switches to Ubuntu, then UbuntuHelper
[09:41] <elkbuntu> christel, he's only half-registered too
[09:41] <ikonia> Flannel: so not a livecd then by the looks of it
[09:41] <elkbuntu> -NickServ- UbuntuHelper has NOT COMPLETED registration verification
[09:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, what did he do in ##linux?
[09:42] <ikonia> just started trying !ops
[09:42] <ikonia> until the ##linux ops stepped in
[09:42] <ikonia> no reason
[09:42] <Flannel> ikonia: I'd say no.  He was originally (earlier tonight) on as admin__
[09:42] <jussi01> he is back: 
[09:42] <jussi01> [11:39:06] <-- UbuntuHelper (n=admin@c220-237-186-71.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[09:42] <jussi01> [11:40:11] --> U (n=admin@c220-237-186-71.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #kubuntu
[09:42] <jussi01> [11:40:38] <-> U is now known as Guest84368
[09:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, you'd probably have plenty of optus subnets in your logs. they're a major phone/isp company here.
[09:42] <ikonia> then started to ask people how he could help, 
[09:42] <ikonia> elkbuntu: this one was only a range up
[09:43] <elkbuntu> ikonia, when you're bored, /who *optusnet.com.au and cry.
[09:43] <ikonia> ha ha
[09:44] <jussi01> elkbuntu: christel do you need the bit from #k just now?
[09:45] <christel> nah its ok, in there now
[09:45] <christel> he's been in ##linux previously, though, at the time he was helpful 
[09:46] <ikonia> looks like he's been in ubuntu too as admin__
[09:46] <jussi01> ok, i spuriously called the ops in #kubuntu, when he didnt get anyone answering
[09:46] <jussi01> s/i/he
[09:46] <ikonia> as Flannel suggested
[09:46] <christel> which means goodchristels attempted mental explanation of them being just overentusiastic and new to irc wont work ;)
[09:46] <Myrtti> hello |_ocke 
[09:47] <elkbuntu> christel, sounds like someone who has imbibed a little more than they should have, to be honest
[09:47] <christel> yeah
[09:47] <elkbuntu> either way, pestilence is not really a welcomed thing in busy channels
[09:48]  * Myrtti coughs
[09:48] <christel> yeah, im just trying to work out whether its worth attempting to speak with them or not
[09:48] <christel> (im only 2 sips into my morning coffee, so i hope for their sake that its not!)
[09:48] <ikonia> keep the faith
[09:49] <elkbuntu> christel, give them the night off, if they come back idiotic, talk then
[09:50] <elkbuntu> the -offtopic behaviour makes me think talk will do little
[09:55] <bazhang_> !idle | |_ocke chalcedony 
[09:56] <ikonia> bazhang_: chalcedony been idle for days
[09:56] <bazhang_> ikonia, ah I see; any reason he is here?
[09:57] <ikonia> I don't know him, Myrtti was asking about him yesterday
[09:57] <bazhang_> k
[09:57] <Myrtti> is |_ocke muted?
[09:57] <ikonia> he's active in #ubuntu
[09:57] <Myrtti> I'm not that fluent with chanserv.py yet
[09:57] <Myrtti> no, here
[09:59] <ikonia> nothing in bt
[10:00] <Myrtti> he is muted
[10:00] <Myrtti> with his ip
[10:02] <ikonia> Myrtti: I don't see him getting muted in here in my log
[10:02] <|_ocke> thanks
[10:02] <Myrtti> ikonia: /bans
[10:02] <ikonia> it's an old ban
[10:02] <|_ocke> i got banned like a month and a half ago
[10:02] <|_ocke> i was drunk and talking about some stupid chick
[10:03] <Myrtti> s/some stupid chick/center of your universe/
[10:05] <|_ocke> nonono s/center of my universe/center of my best friend's universe and someone i dont care about in the slightest anymore
[10:05] <|_ocke> its complicated and very weird, and very much over heh
[10:06] <Myrtti> si, if we let you back in #ubuntu-offtopic, will you be ranting about how the "chick" dumped you for your best friend?
[10:07] <|_ocke> no
[10:07] <|_ocke> i dont talk about her anymore :P
[10:07] <|_ocke> i did  buy her lunch yesterday i guess.. but other than that, she can piss off
[10:08] <|_ocke> besides, shes going to rehab next week
[10:08] <|_ocke> cause shes a stupid little girl with no self control heh
[10:08] <ikonia> |_ocke: easy on the language please. 
[10:09] <ikonia> |_ocke: show you can use self control
[10:09] <Myrtti> intresting 
[10:09] <|_ocke> er, i mean she can ... nevermind just anyways no worries about that
[10:10] <Myrtti> I miss irssi and my aliases
[10:11] <|_ocke> i never could get the hang of irssi
[10:11] <|_ocke> which is why i run xchat2
[10:11] <|_ocke> i do miss some of the functionality of mIRC, but i would never run a native win app in my linux
[10:11] <|_ocke> i refuse to taint my standard set of apps
[10:12] <|_ocke> i'll play some random win games with WINE but never something i use regularly
[10:12] <|_ocke> hence, i use transmission instead of utorrent
[10:12] <bazhang_> !idle
[10:14] <|_ocke> even though i know utorrent is better :P
[10:14] <bazhang_> |_ocke, please dont idle here
[10:15] <|_ocke> i'll leave as soon as someone lets me back in #ubuntu-offtopic..
[10:15] <bazhang_> |_ocke, that is not the way it works
[10:17] <|_ocke> bazhang_, but i was supposed to be banned for a month, i didn't come back till now, and its been at least a month an a half maybe 2 or 3 i dunno, i just put it out of my m ind for awhile
[10:17] <|_ocke> why can't i get unbanned?
[10:17] <bazhang_> |_ocke, that is independent of idling here
[10:17] <|_ocke> i didn't protest or try to fight it, i waited till long after.. i just want to get back in the channel
[10:17]  * Myrtti coughs
[10:17] <Myrtti> the way I see this is.
[10:18] <|_ocke> i really am part of the ubuntu community, i run it exclusively, i've converted at least a dozen people from win to ubuntu who still use it (a couple hundred more that i dont know the current status of) and I really love ubuntu, i just want to be part of it
[10:19] <|_ocke> i just dont see why i should still be banned when its long after the ban was supposed to be removed and the reason for the ban doesn't even exist anymore
[10:20] <Myrtti> I *might* let you in the channel, but there seems to be a problem with your compulsiveness
[10:20] <|_ocke> also, i've helped at least 3-4 people in #ubuntu resolve their problems and had them tell me in /msg that what I told them fixed what they were having problems with
[10:20] <Myrtti> *if* I let you back in, you have to realise you're still on probation
[10:20] <|_ocke> yes i realize that
[10:21] <|_ocke> i won't say anything really stupid or talk about anything that doesn't involve myself personally or computers/linux
[10:21] <bazhang_> |_ocke, you have also been offtopic in #ubuntu of late
[10:22] <Myrtti> goddamnit I spilt coffee on my bed
[10:22] <|_ocke> bazhang_, honestly i would've been talking in #ubuntu-offtopic but i was banned :P
[10:22] <bazhang_> |_ocke, that is not an acceptable reason to be offtopic in #ubuntu
[10:22] <|_ocke> bazhang_, it was just responding to other people though you gotta admit that
[10:23] <|_ocke> i dont want to be offtopic in #ubuntu
[10:23] <bazhang_> then dont
[10:23] <|_ocke> i want to be offtopic in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:23] <bazhang_> |_ocke, you were not responding; you started out by being offtopic
[10:24] <|_ocke> if you guys unban me i promise i wont say anything irresponsible in offtopic and i wont say anything that isn't just asking an ubuntu-related question or helping with an ubuntu quesion someone else has in #ubuntu
[10:24] <|_ocke> if i do anything contrary, i submit to being permanently banned
[10:25] <|_ocke> and if i get to a point where i'm so intoxicated that i can't control myself at any point ever i'll disconnect this entire network for the remainder of the night
[10:25] <|_ocke> not saying thats a probability, just saying if it happens
[10:25] <bazhang_> not very re-assuring
[10:31] <|_ocke> i'm just trying to cover all bases
[10:31] <|_ocke> i have a lot of other stuff to do if i'm out partying, i just wanted to say that if i end up at home afterwards i wont bring it here
[10:32] <|_ocke> it'd be messed up to lie and say i don't get loaded sometimes
[10:33] <Myrtti> ok...
[10:33] <Myrtti> so
[10:33] <|_ocke> but when i'm on irc, i'm on irc, and its not gonna be for anything except computer related stuff, and just to chat, but i am in at least 15 other chans t the same time for that
[10:33] <|_ocke> #ubuntu* is for ubuntu related stufff and i'll use it for that only
[10:33] <|_ocke> well, except #ubuntu-offtopic, but thats still even somewhat tied to ubuntu
[10:33] <elkbuntu> |_ocke, i advise you to not ramble away this opportunity to re-enter the channel. it
[10:34] <Myrtti> I've lifted the ban from -offtopic. It'll go back in a heartbeat if I hear anyone complaining.
[10:34] <Tm_T> Myrtti: <3
[10:34] <|_ocke> Myrtti, thank you
[10:34] <Myrtti> and I'm already hearing complaints on this channel, which isn't reassuring
[10:34] <Myrtti> so, behave
[10:34] <|_ocke> i will
[10:36] <Myrtti> hmmm
[10:36] <Myrtti> I've bought a book so old it doesn't have ISBN
[10:36] <Myrtti> locke: anything else?
[10:36] <locke> Myrtti, whaa? whered you get that?
[10:36] <locke> what book is it?
[10:36] <locke> Myrtti, other than that, no not really
[10:37] <locke> i thought all books had isbn since like the 1700s or something
[10:37] <Gary> Myrtti: is it hand printed?
[10:37] <Myrtti> see you in -offtopic then
[10:38] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you will keep a phone hearby today?
[10:38] <Tm_T> nearby even
[10:38] <Myrtti> Tm_T: sure
[10:39] <Tm_T> roger, I might call you or something, depends on stuff & co
[10:39] <Myrtti> ok
[10:39] <Tm_T> but now another place, see you later dear sister
[10:39] <Myrtti> oh, my phone is face down
[10:39] <Myrtti> good, no one has called
[10:39] <Myrtti> locke: *cough*
[10:40] <Myrtti> locke: if you don't have anything else...
[10:40] <locke> er
[10:40] <locke> yeah
[10:40] <locke> sorry i forgot
[10:40] <locke> later
[10:40] <Myrtti> tata
[10:58] <elkbuntu> he's um, still not quite off the red cordial yet.
[11:09] <denny> hullo
[11:09] <bazhang_> hi :)
[11:09] <denny> can I get confirmation from a GC that glade88 can have an ubuntu cloak?
[11:09] <denny> says it got stomped on by his donator cloak, I'm about to combine them if I get the confirmation
[11:10] <elkbuntu> sec
[11:11] <elkbuntu> denny, can he provide us with his launchpad login?
[11:11] <elkbuntu> i mean, the launchpad username
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[11:14] <Mez> ut-oh - AM report ;)
[11:15] <elkbuntu> denny, seems to be eligible.
[11:15] <denny> thanks
[11:16]  * denny wavicles and gets back to work
[11:33] <bazhang_> heads up on r0ach; been removed once for bad language/offtopic
[12:18] <jussi01> hrm... in #u: [14:17:32] <Arbe> DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0
[12:18] <Myrtti> tsk
[12:19] <elkbuntu> jussi01, um, not wise to repeat those lines
[12:19] <jussi01> elkbuntu: oops. 
[12:57] <jussi01> !scope > danbh_intrepid
[12:58] <jussi01> @btlogin
[13:06]  * Myrtti lols at Linus
[13:08] <ikonia> ?
[13:16] <Myrtti> ikonia: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/candyland.html
[13:24] <jussi01> hahaha
[13:24] <jussi01> hello genii
[13:29]  * Myrtti drools at thinking of licorice ice cream
[13:29] <Myrtti> mmmmmmmmmmMMMHHHHRRR
[13:29] <ikonia> ughh
[13:29] <Myrtti> nom
[13:29] <Myrtti> nomnom
[13:30] <ikonia> scott__ and sam_ appear to be the same person 
[13:30] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[13:30] <ikonia> or 2 people in different locations connect from the same DSL line ???
[13:38] <genii> Hi jussi01
[14:11] <ikonia> can someone with -ot ops ban forward eagles0513875 to ##fix-your-connection pelase
[14:11] <LjL> sure thing
[14:11] <ikonia> ta
[14:12] <ikonia> slick
[14:12] <ikonia> gratzie mille 
[14:12] <LjL> no T :)
[14:12] <ikonia> ah
[14:12] <LjL> an italian Z sounds like "ts" all by itself
[14:13] <ikonia> cool
[14:13] <ikonia> I should go back to learning Italian 
[14:13] <LjL> actually i always found that pretty interesting
[14:13] <ikonia> or mastering english first
[14:13] <LjL> in the sense that, as far as i could see, most italians don't in the least realize that the Z is really two phonemes
[14:13] <LjL> myself, i've played a lot with the AmigaOS speech synthesizer when i was a child, and attempted to make it speak italian
[14:14] <LjL> it took me months to realize that "ts" was the thing to make it say for the "z" letter
[14:25] <Myrtti> you geeky thing you
[14:31] <jussi01> Myrtti: I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself :P
[14:33] <LjL> heh
[14:38] <LjL> !lt is <reply> Šiame kanale bendraujama anglų kalba. Jei ieškote pagalbos lietuvių kalba, prisijunkite prie #ubuntu-lt kanalo.
[14:38] <LjL> !lithuanian is <alias> lt
[14:41] <ikonia> LjL: I wonder how microsoft's speech system would work with that as it is supposed to cover languages
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: Microsoft's speech uses sampled speech fragments from actual humans, it needs a database for every language it supports
[14:43] <LjL> same as with Festival
[14:46] <ikonia> LjL so does that mean there is an Italias database for it that would say tz = z
[14:46] <ikonia> Italian even
[14:47] <LjL> ikonia: not quite. there are two databases for each language. one is the actual speech fragments database, which basically has a soundfile for each sound (not really, it's got one for every group of three phones, but anyway)
[14:48] <LjL> ikonia: then there is a set of rules that tries (and, in italian, generally succeeds, since there's a strong correspondence between writing system and actual phonemes) to translate written sentences into a list of those sounds
[14:49] <LjL> ikonia: so, most likely, the italian database would already include a recorded soundfile for our "z" sound, not separate "t" and "s" sounds (since they're never used separately anyway)
[14:52] <LjL> ikonia: when using a synth that generates sounds purely artificially (like AmigaOS's), then you'd still have two layers even there. the sound layer has a collection of phones and their corresponding speech generation parameters (these synths have parameters for mouth aperture, tongue position, etc)
[14:52] <LjL> the other database would be the very same writing-system-to-phones translation one
[14:53] <ikonia> I see what your saying
[14:53] <ikonia> I didn't know it worked like that
[14:53] <LjL> ikonia: you can't just use the same sounds database for all languages. a "t" in english really doesn't sound like a "t" in italian in most situations (it's aspirate in english, and the tongue is further back than in italian)
[14:54] <LjL> ikonia: if you used an english phones database together with an italian writing-to-phones translation database (basically what i did on AmigaOS), you'd end up with a voice that speaks Italian with a very strong English accent, and vice-versa
[14:54] <ikonia> no of courrse not, I can see how that needs to be seperated
[14:54] <ikonia> I can hear that in my head
[14:54] <LjL> though you'd also have the problem of some phonemes simply not existing
[14:55] <LjL> there is no "th" or "h" sound in italian, and there is no "gn" or "gl" sound in english
[14:55] <ikonia> there is no th
[14:55] <ikonia> how odd
[14:56] <LjL> ikonia: most not-very-english-savvy italians would pronounce "th" as "s", "z", "f" or "v"
[14:56] <ikonia> LjL can you give me a "word" example of that
[14:56] <LjL> ikonia: "zey are", "vey are", or "everyfing", "everysing"
[14:56] <ikonia> ok 
[14:57] <ikonia> few of them make sense when I hear a few italian friend speaking english
[14:57] <LjL> ikonia: unless you're an italian with a lisp, in which case ;)
[14:57] <ikonia> all bets are off
[14:58] <Myrtti> I guess that relates to how most Finns have difficulties pronouncing olympics
[14:58] <Myrtti> well, in Finnish
[14:58] <LjL> ikonia: although in italy (which lisp is present) the most common speech defect by far is not rolling R
[14:58] <LjL> although there are many ways different people with that defect will render their R
[14:58] <jussi01> Myrtti: I love the finnish "system" :P
[14:58] <LjL> Myrtti: why so?
[14:58] <ikonia> how odd (to me) that not rolling an R is a defect
[14:59] <Myrtti> LjL: it's against the finnish phonemes to have o, a or u in the same word with ö, ä or y
[15:00] <LjL> ikonia: there is a somewhat similar though less common defect in english... "i am woger wabbit"
[15:00] <Myrtti> so Olympialaiset is often mangled into Olumpialaiset
[15:00] <LjL> Myrtti: ah right, i read something like that on wp
[15:00] <LjL> Myrtti: yes, that brings me to another point --
[15:00] <LjL> which is that generally speaking, an italian *can* pronounce "th" or "h" if they're explained
[15:01] <LjL> but they'll have difficulty actually placing those sounds in a sentence consistently
[15:01] <ikonia> LjL I know the W defect
[15:01] <LjL> i'm giving english lessons to a girl for instance now
[15:01] <LjL> she can pronounce "h" fine, if alone
[15:01] <LjL> but she'll either say "i ave" or "hi have", not "i have"
[15:02] <LjL> i've given up on the "th" entirely
[15:02] <genii> "I ave" you could get by with as Cockney or so ;)
[15:03] <LjL> genii: yeah most of the typical italian oddities when pronouncing english are found in a dialect or another. it's the mixture of them that makes you have an unmistakably italian accent.
[15:03] <genii> Interesting
[15:03] <LjL> that girl also does the "it'sa got" thing, that really gives me the chills. itsa me mario, meh.
[15:05] <LjL> mind, my own english pronounciation is quite terrible, but.
[15:06] <genii> LjL: My cousin was born deaf, he learnt to speak through a system which Alexander Graham Bell invented of diagramming the mouth/tongue/throat positions as they related to specific sounds
[15:06] <genii> LjL: He is quite understandable now
[15:07] <LjL> genii: not much different from what generation-based speech synthesizer do. there are a couple interesting ones even packaged in ubuntu, i think (interesting in the sense that they also come with GUI tools that actually show you the tongue etc. positions that they are simulating)
[15:08] <ikonia> LjL: I was about to ask about your accent
[15:08] <ikonia> you type and your gramma is excellent, I was curious to how your wording was
[15:08] <ikonia> genii: that sounds unusual and quite an interesting topic to research
[15:08] <LjL> ikonia: well, you can check that out. -ot people already did, and found it hilarious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel
[15:09] <LjL> just go to wherever the "spoken version of this article" tag is
[15:09] <LjL> or Consonant, too
[15:09] <LjL> actually even that venerable AmigaOS synth could output mouth parameters, although i think it only gave mouth aperture (so you could draw a mouth that would move with the speech), not other parameters
[15:10] <ikonia> LjL is the spoken version you /
[15:10] <ikonia> ?
[15:10] <LjL> yeah
[15:10] <ikonia> oh, excellent, I'll grab it now
[15:10] <LjL> ikonia: and mind, which it's bad enough, i never could have actually recorded it like that. it's a collection of several pieces of sentences, some repeated *several* times until they came out decent
[15:10] <genii> ikonia: It's a system called Visible Speech which Bell and his father worked on
[15:11] <LjL> i've also made the Spanish version, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal
[15:11] <LjL> that really sounds much better than the english version
[15:11] <LjL> even though i've never studied any spanish
[15:11] <ikonia> genii researching
[15:11] <ikonia> LjL: just looking for headphones as I'm sure the office doesn't want to hear you
[15:11] <LjL> that's for sure
[15:12] <Myrtti> awww
[15:13] <Myrtti> sounds so... young!
[15:53] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[15:57] <Myrtti> my patience is again running short on hynix/ASUS-tek
[15:58] <ikonia> I thought he was banned
[15:59] <Myrtti> that would be too good
[16:00] <ikonia> I thought he got banned ages ago
[16:00] <Myrtti> he was banned for a while
[16:01] <Myrtti> was given a preach about derogative use of the word chicks
[16:01] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[16:01] <Myrtti> also about his nickchanging
[16:01] <Myrtti> no
[16:01] <Myrtti> I will not get myself angry again
[16:02]  * genii hands Myrtti a soothing tea
[16:02] <ikonia> I see no value in allowing people like him to contibute, as it's clear they just want a rise, nothign more, so why persist with the posturing of "allowing them to change"
[16:03] <Myrtti> the problem is that stupidity isn't strictly forbidden in the rules
[16:03] <ikonia> it's not stupidity
[16:03] <ikonia> it's causing offense and not being able to particiapte in a channel with other people
[16:07] <ikonia> anyone know the indonisian loco channe l?
[16:08] <LjjjL> ikonia: #ubuntu-id
[16:08] <ikonia> thank you
[16:09] <LjjjL> not that there is anyone in there
[16:09] <ikonia> great
[16:10] <LjjjL> ikonia: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList for other places to contact them
[16:11] <ikonia> I couldn't see it on the list, and ubottu wasn't offering me the right trigger
[16:12] <Myrtti> !id
[16:12] <ikonia> ahhh id
[16:12] <Myrtti> what did you try?
[16:12] <LjjjL> !indonesian is <alias> id
[16:12] <Myrtti> @login
[16:12] <ikonia> in (india)
[16:12] <LjjjL> @login
[16:12] <LjjjL> !indonesian is <alias> id
[16:12] <LjjjL> oh die
[16:12] <Myrtti> !indonesian is <alias> id
[16:13] <Myrtti> !indonesian
[16:13] <LjjjL> !-indonesian
[16:13] <Myrtti> right
[16:13] <ikonia> oh, there we go
[16:13] <Myrtti> !indonesian
[16:13] <ikonia> should have tried it as a full word
[16:13] <Myrtti> doh
[16:36] <ikonia> @bansearch 88.222.157.24
[16:36] <ikonia> @bansearch webas
[16:38] <genii> ikonia: I think he just has ADD or so
[16:38] <ikonia> maybe.... I see he's in #kubuntu to
[16:45] <ikonia> 16:44 -!- Odo [n=odo@unaffiliated/odo] has quit ["Odo is tired... He goes to revert to his natural, gelatinous state to regenerate."]
[16:45] <ikonia> genius
[17:10] <mneptok> ikonia: let's just hope he's not referring to the spermatozoa "natural state"
[17:10] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[17:10] <ikonia> spermatozoa
[17:28] <ikonia> 17:27 -!- Blue-Omega [n=null@about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega]
[17:28] <ikonia> ther has been some cool cloaks/part messages today
[17:28] <ikonia> there
[17:28] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-cn, Darksair said: ubot3: whose bot is this?
[17:29] <ikonia> ubot3: tell darksair ubuntu's
[17:29] <ubot3> ikonia: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:29] <ikonia> damn 
[17:29] <Myrtti> it would give the wrong answer
[17:29] <Myrtti> the correct in this case is nal
[17:29] <ikonia> ?
[17:30] <ikonia> well it's hosted by "nal" I didn't realise it was actually his box
[17:30] <ikonia> I thought you could use "tell" to tell anything
[17:30] <nalioth> Myrtti: it's an ubuntu community bot
[17:30] <ikonia> didn't realise you had to give it a  a factoid bot
[17:30] <nalioth> ikonia: no, just factoids
[17:30] <ikonia> nalioth: yes, that was my view on it
[17:30] <ikonia> nalioth: there goes the fun :(
[17:31] <nalioth> now "i" can have it say anything  :P
[17:31] <nalioth> but i don't.
[17:31] <ikonia> and the fun comes back
[18:12] <Myrtti> nomnomnom Salmiakki ♥
[18:16] <jussi01> bleh
[18:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: your bitlbee is still awol
[18:19] <jussi01> err whut??
[18:19] <Myrtti> absent without leave
[18:20] <jussi01> I know...
[18:20]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[18:40] <Myrtti> meh, now I ate all my salmiakki
[18:47] <PriceChild> Myrtti: ate?
[18:48] <jussi01> PriceChild: you do know what salmiakki is...?
[18:48] <jussi01> PriceChild: not salmiakki koskenkorva... :D
[18:48] <Myrtti> salmiakkikossu is prepared from salmiakki and kossu
[18:49] <Myrtti> salmiakki == ammonium chloride
[18:49] <Myrtti> (and more or less licorice too)'
[18:49] <jussi01> PriceChild: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/88/234041244_7815c027df.jpg?v=0
[18:49] <Myrtti> nyomnyom
[18:59] <LjL> some fool must have crashed into a level crossing
[19:00] <LjL> or at least that's the only interpretation i can give to "*due to a car accident* at blah blah trains are delayed blah blah"
[19:00] <LjL> at least mine wasn't
[19:15] <Myrtti> *bwurp*
[19:16] <nalioth> anybody get any weird spam within the past couple minutes?
[19:30] <Myrtti> dumdidumdi
[20:12] <Flare183> I think we might have a problem we the bots
[20:16] <PriceChild> !test
[20:17] <nalioth> PriceChild: don't worry about it, if he didnt hang around to enlighten us
[20:19] <PriceChild> indeed, meh
[20:31] <mneptok> ubottu: is your Jawa inhibitor securely fastened?
[20:31] <mneptok> i see that it is. eeeeeeeexcellent.
[20:31] <jussi01> mneptok: !!!
[20:31] <jussi01> be nice!!
[20:31] <mneptok> jussi01!!!!!!OMG!!!!!WOOHAA!!!
[20:32]  * jussi01 huggles ubottu
[20:33] <mneptok> !unf
[20:34] <Myrtti> SAND PEOPLE!
[20:34] <mneptok> ubottu: unf is <action>shakes it
[20:35] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:35] <mneptok> errr ... i logged in, you moron.
[20:35] <mneptok> damned faulty inhibitors.
[20:35] <Myrtti> !scope | mneptok 
[20:36] <mneptok> someone added a factoid about not adding factoids. oh the irony.
[20:40]  * Myrtti pinches mneptoks cheek
[20:41] <mneptok> upper or lower?
[20:45]  * Myrtti slaps
[20:46] <Myrtti> I'll start using Gentoo if you tease me like that.
[20:46] <Myrtti> or FreeBSD.
[20:46] <jussi01> I just banned mattfury in #ubuntu, for a nazi reference 
[20:46] <jussi01> someone might want to look at scrollback and tell me if I was too harsh
[20:47] <PriceChild> i think he went in #freenode earlier
[20:47] <PriceChild> he did indeedy, rape jokes
[20:47] <PriceChild> i say 'jokes'...
[20:47] <Myrtti> rape jokes?
[20:47] <jussi01> right...
[20:47] <Myrtti> where's my electric cattle herder?
[20:47] <Myrtti> *prod*
[20:47] <jussi01> ok, so It sounds like the right thing was done then...
[20:48] <Myrtti> **ZZZZZZZZTTT*
[20:48] <jussi01> ouch!! careful with that!!
[20:48] <jussi01> :P
[21:06] <mneptok> the only thing funny about rape is that whole "if you don't laugh at the human condition, and you have a conscience, you'll blow your brains out within 2 minutes on this planet" approach thingy.
[21:07] <mneptok> *sigh* what's *wrong* with people?!
[21:07] <mneptok> (laugh, Kurt, laugh. take the gun out of your mouth.)
[21:08] <mneptok> someone tell me it's all gonna be OK in the end
[21:17]  * jussi01 huggles mneptok
[21:17]  * Myrtti gives mneptok a hug mug of tea
[21:20] <Seeker`> hug mug?
[21:20] <Myrtti> huge
[21:20] <Myrtti> sorry, my laptop has these "creative pauses"
[21:20] <jussi01> hehe
[21:26] <mneptok> thanks. sometimes humanity *really* disappoints.
[21:31] <ikonia> @btlogin
[21:57] <ikonia> evening gents
[21:57] <ikonia> and ladies
[22:30] <LjL> is there network desynch?
[22:30] <Pici> Is there?
[22:30] <LjL> i don't know, the bots went all crazy earlier, and #ubuntu sort of looks wrong
[22:31] <Pici> I just got here recently.
[22:31] <LjL> messages being sent at distances that would require a world record typist
[22:31] <Pici> Turns out, ssh and irssi don't work when the laptop is out of batteries
[22:32] <Seeker`> eugh, my scroll + caps lock keys keep flashing whenever I try to get to X
[22:32] <Seeker`> tried upgrading to intrepid, problem started, wont even boot off the intrepid install CD
[22:39] <mneptok> Seeker`: tried xfix?
[22:40] <tomaw> klined
[22:40] <tomaw> LjL^
[22:40] <Pici> ty
[22:40] <Seeker`> mneptok: X just about starts, then everything freezes
[22:40] <tomaw> There are some still trying to connect
[22:40] <tomaw> look for bas? nicks
[22:41] <mneptok> actually, RI has the same behavior. but all have "_-{Ruben}-_ clonner v1.0
[22:41] <mneptok> as realname
[22:41] <LjL> they'll hit -unregged
[22:41] <mneptok> !staff
[22:41] <mneptok> see above inputline, bitte
[22:41]  * tomaw waves at mneptok 
[22:42] <mneptok> heya tomaw 
[22:42] <LjL> well spotted mneptok
[22:42] <LjL> although you didn't spot tomaw
[22:42] <mneptok> LjL: familiar trolls get a pass ;)
[22:42] <tomaw> looks to be done with it now anyway
[22:42] <mneptok> *smewch*
[22:42] <tomaw> hah
[22:47] <Seeker`> mneptok: any ideas?
[22:48] <mneptok> Seeker`: did you try the "xfix" option from recovery mode?
[22:50] <Seeker`> xfix?
[22:51] <Seeker`> I get "command not found"
[22:51] <mneptok> Seeker`: boot to recovery mode
[22:51] <mneptok> Seeker`: you will then be presented with a menu of options. one of them is "xfix." run that, see wha'ppen.
[22:54] <Seeker`> mneptok: I dont get a menu of options
[22:54] <Seeker`> I just get a root command prompt
[22:54] <LjL> you should get a menu with 8.04, but then maybe it doesn't happen on upgrades
[22:55] <LjL> i've never personally seen that menu yet (never been in recovery mode in the past months either)
[22:55] <Seeker`> its definately a kernel panic on starting X
[22:55] <Seeker`> from the HDD or CD
[23:13] <LjL> why does wiivile2's nickname, combined with his comcast host, remind me of someone?
[23:14] <LjL> ah no it reminds me of wii, but the comcast host is unrelated really.
[23:14] <LjL> now about to ban evade
[23:14] <LjL> rejoined from rr.com
[23:16] <LjL> [00:16:11] --> wiivile2 has joined this channel (n=john@adsl-70-130-174-252.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net).
[23:16] <LjL> this fellow has got plenty of hosts
[23:16] <LjL> (that was ##unavailable)
[23:20] <LjL> [00:19:58] <LjL> eliviiw: i can read your stupid nickname backwards, and upside down.
[23:20] <LjL> [00:19:58] <-- tobias has left this server (Read error: 113 (No route to host)).
[23:20] <LjL> [00:20:01] <MothOnLovesFlame> hspaans meet me in i2p then
[23:20] <LjL> [00:20:05] *** LjL sets mode: +b *!*@adsl-70-130-174-252.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net
[23:20] <LjL> i
[23:22] <jussi01> LjL: bestbot is funny - see -bots now... :D
[23:22] <LjL> i know :>
[23:22] <LjL> !staff
[23:23] <jussi01> what is it, troll day today?
[23:23] <LjL> "vilewii" in #ubuntu, ban evading as you can see above - repeatedly - now appears to be messing with me
[23:23] <LjL> by giving email addresses of mine in the channel (which aren't really mine but anyway)
[23:23] <christel> like everyday pinky
[23:24] <christel> LjL: (klined)
[23:25] <christel> short expiry time mind
[23:25] <LjL> sure, thanks. he'll probably be back from another host before you know it anyway
[23:25] <christel> yeah, tends to be the case
[23:26] <LjL> christel: he just has ;)
[23:26] <LjL> vilewii1
[23:26] <tomaw> not online
[23:26] <LjL> sorry, vilewii111
[23:26] <LjL> from cox.net this time
[23:26] <Seeker`> I give up with these kernel panics, night
[23:26] <tomaw> he's messaging you with crap so you know it's the same guy?
[23:27] <LjL> tomaw: ... no, i know he's the same guy because he just said "<vilewii111> you think i cant change my host?" 
[23:27] <LjL> also, his nicknames are anagrams of one another
[23:27] <tomaw> Ah, he's not in any channels currently
[23:28] <LjL> because i just banned him from #ubuntu
[23:28] <tomaw> meh sorry
[23:28] <tomaw> <-- slow this evening
[23:28] <tomaw> he's gone
[23:29]  * christel hands tomaw a garden gnome
[23:29] <christel> (tis your prize)
[23:29] <LjL> sorry i'm just being bitter because he's getting on my nerves
[23:29] <LjL> will go smoke a cigarette instead of following his hostname changes
[23:29] <christel> :)
[23:29] <tomaw> pfft, you should give up
[23:38] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu wiivile Known hosts used so far: *.pa.comcast.net c-24-11-171-94.hsd1.mi.comcast.net 129-60.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com cpe-65-189-142-147.columbus.res.rr.com adsl-70-130-174-252.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ip72-216-13-141.pn.at.cox.net - Nicknames changing, always an anagram/variation on "wiivile" - Ident & GECOS unpredictable - Hangs in -es, #macosx, #macdev, ##c - Mild troll when left alone
[23:40] <LjL> jrib, and you're even "helping" him meh
[23:40]  * jrib lacks LjL's esp