[00:56] <Nillerz> HeLlOeVeRyOnE!
[00:56] <Nillerz> I was wondering if it's possible to make a default view for Thunar, so I can see image previews before I select them
[00:57] <Nillerz> I occasioanally use Opera to upload an image and it'd be nice to browse what I'm uploading first
[01:00] <Nillerz> :(
[01:01] <Nillerz> No ideas?
[01:01] <favro> in edit-preferences -view tab you can select to show thumbnails - is that what you're after?
[01:07] <Nillerz> it doesnt give me those options in the upload file prompt thing
[01:09] <Nillerz> It doesnt appear to allow any options
[01:09] <favro> ahh - well that's not thunar then afaik
[01:09] <Nillerz> apart from show/hide hidden files
[01:09] <Nillerz> The file manager looks exactly the same but has more options available.
[01:09] <Nillerz> do you want screencaps?
[01:11] <favro> I know what you mean but have no idea how to change those settings
[01:11] <knome> isn't that opera specific?
[01:12] <Nillerz> Let me check in FF quick...
[01:12] <knome> Nillerz, what does ctrl+1 do?
[01:12] <Nillerz> nothing, if you mean while the prompt is open
[01:13] <knome> ok. then i think you can't even change that.
[01:13] <Nillerz> heh, firefox adopts GTK settings.
[01:13] <Nillerz> it looks neato
[01:14] <Nillerz> anyway, it provides the same prompt, same lack of options
[01:15] <Nillerz> does thunar have an irc channel?
[01:15] <Nillerz> or a forum I can ask?
[01:15] <knome> i suppose not
[01:16] <knome> it's not even thunar specific
[01:16] <knome> becuase the file dialogs aren't controlled by it
[01:16] <knome> afaik at least
[01:16] <Nillerz> one second let me google afaik
[01:17] <Nillerz> OH okay
[01:17] <Nillerz> I thought t was a specific file manager for this job or something. :/
[01:17] <knome> nope
[01:17] <knome> they are just random file dialogs.
[01:17] <knome> from gtk/some other "kit"
[01:18] <Nillerz> pretty sure it's gtk because it has the same shortcuts on the left and looks all the same, just less options
[01:18] <knome> that's possible.
[01:18] <knome> i don't know opera.
[01:18] <Nillerz> same as firefox
[01:18] <Nillerz> except slightly faster and more standards compliant
[01:18] <knome> ell ff is gtk
[01:19] <knome> i know *opera*, but i don't know about it's *file dialogs*
[01:19] <Nillerz> its identical to the one given by firefox. same program
[01:19] <Nillerz> i was joking about the faster/standards compliant thing
[01:20] <knome> well i know... i'm a web designer
[01:20] <Nillerz> me too! :D
[01:20] <knome> however, can't really give any other advice than name your files better. :P
[01:20] <Nillerz> damn, that sucks.
[01:20] <Nillerz> hmm
[01:21] <Nillerz> I usually just download them as they'r enamed
[01:21] <knome> not really.
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i think firefox uses the gtk file dialog. opera uses the qt file dialog...
[01:21] <knome> you dl and then ul? where's the sense :P
[01:21] <Nillerz> same dialog
[01:21] <Nillerz> Heres how I do it: I right click the image, save image as
[01:21] <knome> Nillerz, i understand.
[01:21] <Nillerz> then click "okay" on the prompt without bothering to tell Opera where to putit
[01:22] <Nillerz> or renaming it
[01:22] <Nillerz> it's because I'm l a z y
[01:22] <knome> Nillerz, but i don't understand why you'd want to upload something you've just downloaded
[01:22] <Nillerz> ever hear of an imageboard?
[01:22] <Nillerz> every post is a repost of a repost of a repost
[01:23] <knome> ok, that makes even less sense. :P
[01:23] <Nillerz> Well what if I want to start a thread about boats
[01:23] <Nillerz> I google the image up, and save it
[01:24] <Nillerz> then I have to find the file, and upload it to the imageboard
[01:24] <knome> that leads to suspicious copyright activity.
[01:24] <Nillerz> file:///home/nillerz/Kings%20Quest%201-6/Kings%20Quest%206
[01:24] <Nillerz> oh waaah
[01:24] <Nillerz> whoops wrong link
[01:24] <Nillerz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageboard
[01:25] <knome> yes i read it and i *understand* it, just doesn't make any sense
[01:25] <Nillerz> no one really pays attention to copyrights on images, at least I don't. I'm not rebellious, I just can't find time in my busy day to worry about whether I'm allowed to upload this picture to a website
[01:25] <Nillerz> what doesnt?
[01:26] <knome> dl/uling images and making internet feel he's eaten a herd of horses once again
[01:27] <Nillerz> meh
[01:27] <Nillerz> that's how the internet works
[01:27] <Nillerz> deal
[01:27] <Nillerz> actually, that's the point of the internet
[01:27] <knome> not really...
[01:27] <knome> ;
[01:27] <knome> ;)
[01:27] <Nillerz> yeah, it is
[01:28] <Nillerz> The internet was designed as a way to keep a network going and files available if one server goes down
[01:28] <knome> yes, but if the original server goes down, how will i find the pic in the imageboard? you know, those are not really *actual* mirrors of sites
[01:29] <Nillerz> right but the file exists there
[01:29] <Nillerz> and lots of people downloaded the file from there
[01:29] <Nillerz> so if you need it, you can go to /r/equests and ask for it and if someone has it they'll give it to you
[01:29] <knome> ...
[01:29] <Nillerz> post on an imageboard, www.frenchan.com is a good one, and you'll get it
[01:30] <knome> how does jack the basic jerk know where to ask for an image?
[01:30] <Nillerz> images.google.com
[01:30] <Nillerz> it's not for jack the basic jerk it's for anon the average imageboard poster
[01:31] <knome> a-ha! but you said that internet was made for keeping files available if one server goes down
[01:31] <knome> what if jack wanted to go to a site where you have ripped a pic off?
[01:31] <knome> but the server is down.
[01:31] <knome> then you say that the imageboard is not for jack.
[01:31] <knome> ohhhh
[01:31] <knome> jack feels soooo bad
[01:32] <Nillerz> well fuck jack he's an asshole anyway
[01:33] <knome> so you don't really think that internet is for keeping files available for *everyone*?
[01:33] <Nillerz> its for everyone who wants them
[01:33] <knome> but jack wants them!
[01:34] <Nillerz> then jack can ask for it on an imageboard or google image search it
[01:34] <Nillerz> christ, if he wants the picture that much then there are surely about 1000 other people with the file
[01:34] <knome> so how does he know about imageboards? do you reckon he should ask an image in all the imageboards in the net?
[01:34] <Nillerz> how does he know about the picture in the first place?
[01:34] <knome> where can he find these people, if the images are randomly spread in the internet on imageboards?
[01:35] <Nillerz> chances are most people got it off the imageboard than off the original website
[01:35] <knome> maybe he had visited the site the other day when it was still up
[01:35] <Nillerz> what do you want me to do about it?
[01:35] <knome> so people don't know who to acknowledge the pictures for
[01:35] <knome> nothing.
[01:35] <knome> ;)
[01:36] <knome> i was trying to capture the inner meaning of image boards.
[01:36] <Nillerz> They are mostly
[01:36] <Nillerz> Just websites
[01:36] <Nillerz> Where users
[01:36] <knome> but didn't really catch it ;)
[01:36] <Nillerz> Can post pictures
[01:36] <Nillerz> Of their dicks
[01:36] <knome> isn't that called a lousy porn site?
[01:36] <Nillerz> but there's a community aspect
[01:36] <knome> why would you like to post a picture of a ship in a porn site?
[01:37] <Nillerz> imageboard communities are usually VERY close when compared to bulletin boards
[01:37] <Nillerz> actually alot of posts on imageboards are stolen from porn sites
[01:37] <knome> but the "messages" (read: images) posted are not created by their posters?
[01:37] <Nillerz> so imageboards = great way to get free porn
[01:37] <Nillerz> sometimes they are sometimes they arent
[01:37] <Nillerz> the software doesn't care
[01:37] <knome> no, but the original creators might do.
[01:38] <Nillerz> what do you want me to do about it?
[01:38] <knome> nothing, as i said :)
[01:38] <Nillerz> It';s a service.
[01:38] <Nillerz> they provide a place to upload images and talk about images
[01:38] <Nillerz> you're thinking about it
[01:38] <Nillerz> WAY too much
[01:38] <knome> yes. like stealing a candy bar from a shop and then giving it to a boy in the street?
[01:39] <knome> it's like a service for the boy, isn't it
[01:39] <Nillerz> its more like making an exact replica of a candy bar and giving it to a kid on the street
[01:39] <knome> and he doesn't know the candy is stolen, right?
[01:39] <Nillerz> its not stolen, it's copied
[01:40] <knome> so, the *copy*rights have been neglected
[01:40] <Nillerz> yeah, who cares?
[01:40] <knome> the copyright holders.
[01:40] <knome> i do.
[01:40] <Nillerz> then wage a war on the internet
[01:40] <Nillerz> I'm sure the internet cares
[01:40] <knome> i've done it.
[01:41] <Nillerz> I'm sure you lost
[01:41] <knome> not really.
[01:41] <knome> the case is yet to be closed
[01:41] <Nillerz> -_-
[01:41] <knome> but most of the laws around the world are on my side
[01:42] <Nillerz> but
[01:42] <Nillerz> I highly doubt the internet cares
[01:42] <Nillerz> you';ve inconvenienced them
[01:42] <Nillerz> congratulations
[01:42] <knome> the internet cares about you stuffing it full of the same junk food.
[01:42] <Nillerz> no it doesnt
[01:42] <knome> yes it does.
[01:42] <Nillerz> the internet doesn't care about anything
[01:42] <knome> yes it does.
[01:42] <Nillerz> it's a series of tubes
[01:42] <knome> don't hurt the internets feelings
[01:42] <Nillerz> tubes = incapable of caring
[01:43] <knome> i actually know many *people* who are called "tube"
[01:43] <knome> and they care
[01:43] <Nillerz> then they can bawww over some pixels
[01:44] <knome> ehm?
[01:44] <Nillerz> are you saying you'd like stricter enforcement of copyights on imageboards?
[01:44] <Nillerz> because you're not gonna get it
[01:44] <Nillerz> the mods aren't going to check for licenses on every file uploaded
[01:44] <knome> no... not really.
[01:44] <knome> i was trying to catch the soul of the imageboards
[01:44] <Nillerz> if you're lucky they'll delete the image if you ask nicely but apart from that it's not a big deal
[01:45] <knome> it's rotten.
[01:45] <Nillerz> The soul of the imageboards
[01:45] <Nillerz> it's for pictures.
[01:45] <knome> yes, not blues or jazz. soul.
[01:45] <Nillerz> this better be an intricate troll
[01:45] <Nillerz> I'll be disappointed if it's not
[01:45] <knome> sure it is.
[01:45] <Nillerz> oh okay
[01:46] <Nillerz> phew
[01:46] <knome> ;)
[01:46] <knome> but seriously, we as open source folks should even try to care about copyrights.
[01:47] <Nillerz> I'm surprised you weren't raped by a bunch of GNU geeks over that candy bar statement
[01:47] <knome> i've decided to go the "right way". sometimes it restricts me from doing a lot of things, but it has it's own advantages
[01:47] <knome> why would i? i'm one of them;)
[01:48] <Nillerz> I use Opera. I just do what is convenient
[01:48] <knome> my "tubes" are already sweeped.
[01:48] <knome> ehm.
[01:48] <Nillerz> If I were a GNU open source person at heart I'd use Firefox
[01:48] <Nillerz> but I straight up think Firefox sucks, so I use Opera
[01:48] <Nillerz> a proprietary web browser
[01:48] <knome> i mean, my firewall doesn't let anything leftovers pass it
[01:49] <Nillerz> I did an experiment once
[01:49] <knome> why aren't you one?
[01:49] <knome> there is alternatives to firefox also
[01:49] <Nillerz> I used an XP machine for about 3 months, no firewall, no antivirus and I scanned before a reformat
[01:49] <Nillerz> I had nothing but tracker cookies
[01:49] <Nillerz> Because I don't feel like it.
[01:49] <Nillerz> I could convert all my music to .ogg but I don't want to
[01:49] <knome> may i ask why are you using xubuntu then?
[01:50] <knome> just curious.
[01:50] <Nillerz> Opera is, in my opinion, the best web browser ever
[01:50] <Nillerz> because it's free and fast and I need the *nix experience
[01:50] <knome> for what?
[01:50] <Nillerz> my chosen career path in general
[01:50] <Nillerz> plus I like being a pretentious linux user
[01:50] <knome> if you're not going to use unix, why learn it?
[01:50] <Nillerz> "Get out of here, win-fag"
[01:50] <Nillerz> I do, I am a web dev
[01:51] <knome> you don't have to know really anything about unix to be a web dev
[01:51] <Nillerz> no but ssh is fun
[01:51] <knome> you can ssh in windows also
[01:51] <Nillerz> but only if you know what the hell you're doing
[01:51] <Nillerz> I like the GTK themes too
[01:51] <Nillerz> everything is all dark and stuff
[01:52] <knome> you can have a m$ web server ;)
[01:52] <Nillerz> also not having to find cracks for all my software is nice
[01:52] <Nillerz> but it's not as fast and most people dont
[01:52] <Nillerz> and it const monies
[01:52] <TheSheep> and gtk works on windows just fine
[01:52] <knome> well you could *by* the software
[01:52] <Nillerz> right but not everything is gtk in windows
[01:52] <Nillerz> only gtk apps
[01:52] <knome> *buy
[01:52] <Nillerz> linux, almost everything is gtk
[01:52] <TheSheep> Nillerz: neither on linux
[01:53] <knome> in kde, not many things are gtk
[01:53] <Nillerz> my pidgin matches my panels
[01:53] <TheSheep> not even 10%
[01:53] <Nillerz> I use xubuntu though so many things are
[01:53] <knome> oh. tell us how the match ended then.
[01:53] <knome> depends a lot on the software installed
[01:53] <Nillerz> My instant messenger matches my music player matches my image editor matches my desktop panels
[01:53] <TheSheep> knome: match?
[01:53] <knome> TheSheep, match, you know, a football match
[01:53] <knome> ;)
[01:53] <Nillerz> same color
[01:53] <TheSheep> knome: you mean soccer?
[01:54] <knome> TheSheep, which ever.
[01:54] <Nillerz> 'OCKEY!
[01:54] <knome> they are *matches* ;)
[01:54] <knome> also, you can light candle up with a match
[01:54] <Nillerz> you
[01:54] <Nillerz> are
[01:54]  * TheSheep puts knome out of his misery with a match
[01:54] <Nillerz> CLEVER!
[01:54] <Nillerz> Actually I'm on xubuntu mostly for the pretentious factor
[01:55] <TheSheep> aren't we a little offtopic?
[01:55] <Nillerz> I can be pretentious about using Linux, but some people use Ubuntu
[01:55] <knome> no, we are at #xubuntu
[01:55] <TheSheep> Nillerz: yeah we can tell
[01:55] <Nillerz> but I can always be pretentious about using XFCE instead of Gnome
[01:55] <Nillerz> because gnome is teh sux
[01:55] <TheSheep> riiight
[01:55] <knome> no! left.
[01:56] <knome> definitely left.
[01:56] <knome> a lot better.
[01:56] <Nillerz> HAHAHA OH GOD DO YOU DO STANDUP?
[01:56] <TheSheep> Nillerz: any thoughts on nextstep? :)
[01:56] <Nillerz> PUN MASTER!
[01:56] <knome> not really
[01:56] <Nillerz> none.
[01:56] <Nillerz> none at all
[01:56] <knome> i usually sitdown when ircing
[01:56] <Nillerz> BUH DUM PISH!
[01:57] <TheSheep> this is getting really silly, lets move to ot
[01:57] <knome> overtime?
[01:57] <Nillerz> unfunny
[01:57] <knome> no, funny
[01:58] <Nillerz> stop being contrary for the hell of it
[01:58] <knome> nah.
[01:59] <TheSheep> Nillerz: we are having a party without you on #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:26] <Blatz> Hello, I'm not sure quite what to do.  I installed xubuntu on an old P3 machine.  Everything seemed ok for awhile, but then the network card started to work sporadically, then just quit.  Since it was an old network card, I just ordered a new one.  Installed it, it worked for maybe 12 hours without any problem, then just stopped working same as the last one.
[02:27] <Blatz> So I would like to know the next step I should take.
[02:27] <knome> is there anything obvious that you might have done after it doesn't work anymore?
[02:28] <Blatz> after it stopped working?
[02:28] <knome> eh, before :)
[02:28] <knome> sorry, it's 4am here...
[02:28] <Blatz> Well, I don't know if some of the latest updates that were installed could have broken something, but I doubt it.
[02:28] <Blatz> For one,
[02:29] <Blatz> The second card I was using worked for awhile.
[02:29] <knome> the first thing what comes in to my mind is that is your dhcp server working correctly
[02:29] <knome> try issuing "sudo dhclient" on terminal and see if that helps
[02:29] <Blatz> I think that someone else mentioned that, but all my other computers on the network have never had any troubles
[02:30] <knome> did you try it?
[02:30] <Blatz> well, actually this pc is upstairs, and I can't connect to it.
[02:30] <Blatz> but I can go up there and try
[02:30] <knome> it'd help the troubleshooting
[02:30] <Blatz> lol
[02:30] <the-erm> I wonder what you get when you run ifconfig
[02:31] <the-erm> What the ip is.
[02:31] <the-erm> In theory if you type in ifconfig, and the ip is still there it's not the network card.  And something as simple as sudo /etc/init.d/network restart could fix it.
[02:32] <the-erm> I'd also check the /etc/resolv.conf and make sure it has the right dns servers in it.
[02:32]  * Blatz is bringing the pc downstairs and setting it up
[02:33] <the-erm> O
[02:33] <knome> \o/
[02:33] <knome> yay for the superman
[02:33] <the-erm> Speaking of problems .. time to reboot the modem.
[02:35] <daethshadow> ifconfig and set route ?
[02:50] <Blatz> ok, when I run "sudo dhclient" I get No DHCPOFFERS recieved
[02:50] <Blatz> No Working leasese in persistent database - sleeping.
[02:50] <knome> k...
[02:51] <Blatz> What am I looking for in ifconfig?
[02:51] <omfgitsashark> hey anybody there
[02:51] <omfgitsashark> im trying to figure out how to install a custom logon screen for xubuntu
[02:51] <TheSheep> !upstart | omfgitsashark
[02:51] <TheSheep> wrong
[02:51] <knome> !gdm
[02:52] <knome> woot
[02:52] <TheSheep> !usplash | omfgitsashark
[02:52] <omfgitsashark> this is the logon screene right... like i know for themes i had to make a .thmes file and it worked
[02:53] <TheSheep> omfgitsashark: for gdm just go to settings->login window and drag-and-drop the archive with theme there
[02:53] <Blatz> Whats interesting, even though I can't access the internet, xubuntu tells me there are x number of updates
[02:53] <omfgitsashark> ok hold on let me take alook
[02:54] <knome> Blatz, it most possibly remembers that from the last time it was connected.
[02:54] <Blatz> ok
[02:54] <Blatz> Ok, I changed my static address I set to dhcp
[02:55] <Blatz> but that did nothing.
[02:56] <Blatz> any other thoughts?
[02:57] <Blatz> when I try "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart" says command not found
[03:03] <Blatz> humm, any other suggestions?
[03:03] <knome> hum hum
[03:03] <knome> don't know
[03:03] <Blatz> :(
[03:03] <Blatz> ok
[03:04] <knome> i suppose you have tried bootin
[03:04] <knome> +g
[03:04] <Blatz> yes yes
[03:04] <Blatz> +g?
[03:04] <knome> bootin+g=booting
[03:04] <Blatz> oh, I read re-booting
[03:04] <Blatz> lol, okl
[03:04] <Blatz> -l
[03:05] <knome> so, what is the card?
[03:05] <knome> brand/model
[03:05]  * Blatz looks around for the box
[03:05] <Blatz> Zonet Zen3200
[03:06] <Blatz> Should be this product : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833130107
 when I try "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart" says command not found - would make using the network hard
[03:07] <Datz> I see
[03:08] <favro> how do you reinstall networking tho?
[03:09] <Datz> I don't understand?
[03:10] <favro> my bad - it is sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart - not network restart
[03:10] <Datz> ah, thanks
[03:12] <Datz> ok, well restarting networking didn't seem to do the trick, thanks anyway.
[03:16] <Datz> This problem couldn't be caused by a bad driver?
[03:16] <Datz> Or incompatible one?
[06:04] <andre1> hey, how can I set nautilus as the default file manager instead of thunar?
[07:26] <nonie_> need help guys i am trying to play dvd on my xubuntu system but it wont play
[07:27] <nonie_> installed the libdvdcss2 and wn32codecs
[07:27] <nonie_> i even installed vlc player but it still doesnt work
[07:28] <nonie_> any suggestions
[07:29] <TheSheep> !doesn't work
[07:29] <TheSheep> nonie_: for example, what's the message?
[07:29] <nonie_> when i load the dvd it should load an  icon to the desktop but it does not
[07:30] <TheSheep> does 'mount /dev/cdrom' do something?
[07:30] <TheSheep> in terminal
[07:30] <nonie_> i go to vlc media player and play the dvd, it reads the dvd but after that it gives me Audio cd- track1 display on the lower right.
[07:31] <nonie_> i will try it now.
[07:33] <nonie_> gives me this error
[07:33] <nonie_> mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:35] <nonie_> but if i load my xubuntu cd it shows the data files and the dvd icon appears on the desktop
[07:36] <favro> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0  - is what is in my /etc/fstab for the cd if it helps
[11:21] <jarnos> How do you give a list of packages from a file for apt-get?
[11:24] <TheSheep> jarnos: cat file.txt | xargs apt-get ...
[11:27] <jarnos> TheSheep: thanks
[11:27] <knome> woot
[12:15] <knome> hello vidd
[12:16] <vidd> hello knome
[12:31] <sancas> hello!
[12:32] <knome> !olleh
[12:32] <vidd> hello sancas
[12:35] <sancas> I just installed and nothing more to update and upgrade upgrade install 3 more packages and theme
[12:35] <sancas> of xubuntuestudio icon and the subject normal but I am going too slow on pc
[12:36] <sancas> I have 1GB RAM with an Intel Centrino Duo processor
[12:36] <vidd> so you did a clean install, installed 3 packages, a theme and xubuntu studio (whatever that is) and you are having lag issues?
[12:37] <knome> vidd, i think he means !ubuntustudio
[12:37] <knome> meh, http://ubuntustudio.org/
[12:37] <sancas> I have reviewed the monitor's sitema and tells me I'm q occupied the processor
[12:38] <vidd> !ubuntustudio
[12:38] <vidd> sancas, im really not following....
[12:38] <knome> vidd, i think you could install that much the way of xubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <knome> +same *of=than
[12:39] <chewit> I have a question regarding gnome screensaver. Is it ok to uninstall it on Xubuntu 8.04?
[12:39] <vidd> what item does system monitor show using the most cpu?
[12:39] <knome> chewit, sure.
[12:39] <chewit> will not cause any issues
[12:40] <chewit> I'm trying to streamline my xubuntu install.
[12:40] <vidd> chewit, if having no screensaver is not an issue for you...then no...no issues
[12:40] <chewit> ok, gd. i currently just have a blank screen.
[12:40] <chewit> however, i heard that gnome screensaver affects you locking your computer
[12:40] <sancas> Sorry but I'm not speak english and dont understand
[12:41] <sancas> I have use google for comunicate with yous
[12:41] <vidd> what language do you speak?
[12:41] <sancas> spanish
[12:42] <vidd> knome, we have a -es channel?
[12:42] <knome> uh
[12:42] <vidd> sancas, un minuto
[12:42] <sancas> in this channel not help
[12:43] <knome> seemingly yes
[12:43] <knome> but very quiet one...
[12:43] <vidd> is #unbuntu-es a better choice?
[12:43] <knome> -n
[12:44] <knome> definitely yes.
[12:44] <knome> sancas, try #ubuntu-es
[12:44] <mnemoc> sancas: yo te puedo traducir si quieres
[12:44] <sancas> vaya
[12:44] <sancas> jajajaaj
[12:44] <mnemoc> (sancas: I can translate you if you want)
[12:44] <sancas> lol
[12:44] <vidd> mnemoc, ok'
[12:45] <knome> mnemod, vidd, sancas: you might still go to #ubuntu-es :)
[12:45] <mnemoc> knome: :)
[12:45] <knome> eh, #xubuntu-es
[12:45] <knome> of course...
[12:45] <knome> *headdesk*
[13:30] <vidd> knome, his issue appears to be that he is using all the bad-sectors-area on his HD as swap
[13:30] <knome> lol
[13:30] <vidd> i wonder...why would someone have universal lag with that kind of set-up?
[13:31] <vidd> =]
[13:31] <sancas> lol mnemoc, vidd
[13:32] <sancas> all problems has been solucionates for a restart
[13:32] <vidd> muy bueno
[13:33] <knome> una birra por favor!
[13:33] <vidd> huh?
[13:33] <knome> "one beer please"
[13:33] <mnemoc> knome: birra is italian, in spanish it's cerveza ;-)
[13:33] <knome> aha! cerveza
[13:34] <vidd> that i know!
[13:34] <knome> beer is universal language
[13:34] <vidd> i think he is still going to have issues down the line
[13:35] <vidd> maybe his kernel has mapped out all the bad sectors and is using the tiny area that isnt bad =]
[13:35] <knome> :]
[13:35] <mnemoc> sancas: debes darte el tiempo de darle un formato de bajo nivel (low-level format) a ese disco, y simplemente comprar otro.... trabajar con discos dañado no es sano
[13:35] <sancas> en eso ando
[13:36] <vidd> (you'd never see M$ os's doing that kind of stuff)
[13:36] <mnemoc> vidd: I didn't know linux does that magic
[13:36] <vidd> its the way ext3 file format works
[13:37] <mnemoc> sweet
[13:38] <vidd> just like linux can recover data from a horribly corrupt, useless-for-windows hard drive
[13:39] <mnemoc> everytime I have needed recoverty, data has been destroyed by fsck (reiserfs and xfs) :
[13:39] <mnemoc> :'(
[13:39] <mnemoc> I'll give a try to ext4 (or btrfs) on my next install
[13:39] <vidd> yeah....they mess up...you dig out the off-system back-ups
[13:41] <mnemoc> I learned to backup off-system the hard way :\
[13:43] <vidd> yeah...so did i....
[13:43] <vidd> thats usually the way the most dedicated-to-backing-up ppl learn
[13:43] <vidd> =]
[13:44] <vidd> i had a cascade failure with 3 servers
[13:47] <knome> i usually just shrug and redo the work
[14:12] <vidd> does the II update thing work yet?
[14:13] <vidd> for cli-only systems
[14:45] <jarnos> Is there any tool to display dependencies recurrently as a list of package names?
[14:45] <jarnos> Including Recommended packages
[14:48] <jarnos> apt-rdepends from universe does not work with Recommended.
[14:59] <jarnos> Is there any point to report a bug about a universe package?
[15:01] <vidd> jarnos, its always a good idea to report bugs
[15:02] <vidd> you just want to make the report to the correct location
[15:04] <vidd> if you check the package, it should tell you where to report the bug
[15:13] <jarnos> vidd: Do you mean maintainer in aptitude show pkgname output?
[15:15] <vidd> the maintainer is the one you should report the bug to
[16:16] <oncl0ud9> Hello can someone help me, how do I install sound mixer to the systray in xubuntu?
[16:19] <alegoodpharm> you just want to add volume control to the panel?
[16:20] <oncl0ud9> yes please
[16:20] <alegoodpharm> well, all i do is right click on the panel
[16:20] <alegoodpharm> hit add to panel
[16:20] <alegoodpharm> sorry "add new item"
[16:21] <alegoodpharm> then look for volume control
[16:21] <oncl0ud9> awesome thanks :)
[16:23] <alegoodpharm> are you new to ubuntu or just new to xubuntu?
[16:24] <oncl0ud9> new to xubuntu and xfce
[16:24] <alegoodpharm> ahh
[16:24] <alegoodpharm> xfce is nice
[16:24] <oncl0ud9> yeah I kinda like it its nice
[16:24] <alegoodpharm> much faster
[16:24] <alegoodpharm> better on older systems
[16:25] <oncl0ud9> is there anyway to add graphical advancements to it?
[16:25] <alegoodpharm> sure, what do you want?
[16:25] <alegoodpharm> it supports compositing
[16:25] <alegoodpharm> or you can install compiz if you want lots of eye candy
[16:25] <oncl0ud9> are you using compiz with it?
[16:26] <alegoodpharm> i have installed it but i dont care too much for all the eye candy
[16:26] <alegoodpharm> so its off
[16:26] <alegoodpharm> i was just testing my compiz benchmark
[16:26] <alegoodpharm> 2000+ fps on this system
[16:26] <alegoodpharm> intel cpu OC to 3.7ghz, nvidia 9800GTX
[16:28] <oncl0ud9> I am using a toshbia satellite laptop, and wanted to try something other then ubuntu.. but xubuntu really is quick. not sure if I want to play with quickness of it. My main pc is a vista box Q6600 24@3.6 4GB of ram and 8800gtx
[16:28] <oncl0ud9> do you play wow?
[16:28] <alegoodpharm> my sister
[16:28] <alegoodpharm> not me
[16:29] <oncl0ud9> ah ok
[16:29] <alegoodpharm> i do like crysis and far cry however
[16:29] <alegoodpharm> more fps for me
[16:29] <oncl0ud9> do they run in xubuntu?
[16:29] <alegoodpharm> hmm you can check winehq to see whats supported in wine
[16:30] <alegoodpharm> http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php
[16:30] <oncl0ud9> any good apps u recommend?
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> it appears wow runs in wine
[16:31] <oncl0ud9> yeah not well though lol
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> wine allows you to run windows apps in windows
[16:31] <oncl0ud9> I know
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> k
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> i see that it works well
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> depends on what version
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> some are listed as gold or platinum rating in wine
[16:31] <alegoodpharm> what apps you want for xubuntu?
[16:32] <oncl0ud9> it still isn't the same
[16:32] <alegoodpharm> i'd not use linux for games
[16:32] <alegoodpharm> i run many os's
[16:32] <alegoodpharm> just whatever os is best for the task
[16:32] <oncl0ud9> yeah
[16:33] <oncl0ud9> I run virtualbox on xubuntu if I need my quick windows fix
[16:33] <alegoodpharm> yup, i've got vmware server running on this xubuntu system
[16:33] <oncl0ud9> 2.0 or 1.0?
[16:35] <alegoodpharm> 1
[16:35] <alegoodpharm> i dont care as much for 2
[16:35] <Owe1> sorry to interrupt can wine run on low end systems
[16:35] <oncl0ud9> yeah 2.0 is meh
[16:35] <oncl0ud9> yeah it can
[16:36] <alegoodpharm> i guess so, i suppose it has to do with what the system requirements of the windows app you are trying to run in wine
[16:36] <oncl0ud9> yeah exactly
[16:36] <alegoodpharm> running calc will be fine. but wow would require more power
[16:36] <oncl0ud9> lol yeah, alegoodpharm : what do u mean by composition when I asked about enhancing the GUI
[16:37] <oncl0ud9> where do I find those settings
[16:37] <alegoodpharm> go to the menu , the settings, then settings manager
[16:37] <alegoodpharm> hit windows manager tweaks
[16:37] <alegoodpharm> then compositor tab
[16:38] <alegoodpharm> this will only work if the composting extension is enabled in xorg.conf
[16:38] <alegoodpharm> i dont remember if it is by default
[16:39] <oncl0ud9> yeap its there
[16:39] <alegoodpharm> its nothing real wild, just some transparency and drop shadows
[16:43] <oncl0ud9> any good themes u recommend using?
[16:46] <alegoodpharm> hmm i didnt add anything extra, i just use some listed
[16:46] <alegoodpharm> i have clearlooks and Synthetic selected now
[16:50] <oncl0ud9> synthetic? whats that
[16:51] <oncl0ud9> just lost my bottom panel
[16:52] <oncl0ud9> how do I readd it :( lol
[17:14] <vidd> oncl0ud9, you still missing your bottom panel?
[17:14] <oncl0ud9> no I found it lol
[17:15] <vidd> ok
[17:31] <jeanne> hi does anyone knows how to install mathematica on xubuntu ?
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: is it a windows program?
[17:34] <jeanne> no
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> !find mathematica
[17:34] <mnemoc> isn't that something like matlab or maple?
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> another CAS i like i maxima
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
[17:35] <jeanne> it is for Linux 2.4 or later, 32/64 bit
[17:36] <jeanne> yes something similar like matlab
[17:36] <jeanne> i have to work with mathematica so I have to install it
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> http://math-blog.com/2007/06/02/3-awesome-free-math-programs/
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> you HAVE to install mathematica? :(
[17:36] <jeanne> yes...
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: did you have to buy it?
[17:38] <jeanne> no it is free
[17:38] <jeanne> for students
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: is it an exe they gave you?
[17:38] <jeanne> respectively my university has a license
[17:38] <jeanne> one moment
[17:39] <Owe1> there is a linux version of it. u can use the trial version and try to bring it to full version
[17:40] <Odd-rationale> according to the !appdb, some people reportedly got it to work under wine.
[17:40] <Odd-rationale> of course, native linux would better...
[17:40] <jeanne> ah
[17:41] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: what type of file do you have that you are trying to install? .exe? .tar? .rpm? .deb?
[17:41] <jeanne> hm.... I have here an installer file
[17:42] <vidd> a .exe?
[17:42] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: what is the file extension of the installer file?
[17:43] <jeanne> I guess it is a skript
[17:43] <jeanne> there is no .exe
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: can you open it in mousepad?
[17:43] <vidd> right-click on it and choose "properties"
[17:44] <jeanne> actually it is on a download server
[17:44] <jeanne> and then the text I see in the browser
[17:44] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: can you pastebin the text?
[17:44] <jeanne> yes
[17:44] <jeanne> where to ?
[17:44] <Odd-rationale> !paste
[17:45] <jeanne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63324/
[17:45] <Odd-rationale> yeah, it is a shell script
[17:46] <jeanne> hm...
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: right click the link and select "Save file as..."
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> so that you can have a local copy...
[17:46] <jeanne> which extension should I choose ?
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: .sh should be fine...
[17:47] <jeanne> ok
[17:47] <jeanne> and then ?
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> then right-click the file, go to properties. and make it executable...
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: then open a terminal in that directory..
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: and run: ./script.sh
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> where script is the name of the script you downloaded...
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> that should run the script...
[17:48] <jeanne> nothing happens
[17:48] <jeanne> maybe because all the other files are on the server
[17:49] <jeanne> and the executer on my computer...
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> maybe. what other files are on the server?
[17:49] <jeanne> all the files which belong to mathematica
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> is the script inside a folder with all the other files?
[17:49] <jeanne> no
[17:50] <jeanne> Mathematica_6.x_Stud_Unix_EN/mathematica_6.0.3/Installer
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> ok.
[17:50] <jeanne> Mathematica_6.x_Stud_Unix_EN/mathematica_6.0.3/Files
[17:50] <jeanne> arg
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> download the whole mathematica_6.0.3 directory
[17:50] <jeanne> I should somehow map to the server location
[17:50] <jeanne> ok
[17:51] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: then go into that directory, open it an a terminal. and run ./Installer
[17:52] <jeanne> yes
[17:52] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: and if there are any README 's be sure to read them too...
[17:52] <jeanne> ok
[17:58] <jeanne> Odd-rationale,
[17:58] <jeanne> I have an other problem
[17:58] <jeanne> all the bars are disappeared on my computer
[17:58] <jeanne> since a while
[17:58] <jeanne> dont know how to make them return
[17:59] <jeanne> and when I minimize a window it disappears too
[17:59] <jeanne> and is not shown minimised as a bottom bar
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: you mean you have no panels?
[17:59] <jeanne> yews
[17:59] <jeanne> I dont know why
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: try alt+f2. and type in xfce4-panel
[17:59] <jeanne> but like this it is too complicated
[18:00] <jeanne> wow
[18:00] <jeanne> now it is there again
[18:00] <jeanne> thank you !!!! :D
[18:00] <jeanne> not sure that I will leave noob-area of linux sometimes
[18:01] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: you might want to save you session when you log out once
[18:01] <jeanne> how ?
[18:01] <oncl0ud9> how do I move launcher shortcuts into a panel?
[18:02] <jeanne> aah now I can minimize again my windows.... I was shifting them around... lol
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: right-click panel --> add new item --> launcher
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> jeanne: when you log out, select save session.
[18:02] <jeanne> ok
[18:03] <oncl0ud9> perfect thanks
[18:05] <oncl0ud9> where are icon files located?
[18:05] <vidd> oncl0ud9, usually in /usr/share/pixmaps
[18:06] <oncl0ud9> thanks vidd
[18:18] <Owe1> how do you lock the screen. i added a lock screen button on the panel but it doesnt work
[18:31] <oncl0ud9> yeah I cant lock my desktop either
[18:33]  * mnemoc confirms that too
[18:34] <vidd> oncl0ud9, Owe1 mnemoc y'all screensaver working?
[18:35] <oncl0ud9> havent even played with screensaver
[18:36] <vidd> can y'all right-click the "quit" icon, choose "lock screen" and it work?
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> Owe1: oncl0ud9: try ctrl+alt+del
[18:37] <oncl0ud9> doesn't work
[18:38] <Owe1> doesnt work
[18:38] <Odd-rationale> you need to have xlock, xscreensaver, or gnome-screensaver installed
[18:38] <mnemoc> vidd: that is what didn't work for me
[18:38] <Odd-rationale> try gnome-screensaver-command -l
[18:38] <oncl0ud9> ok
[18:39] <oncl0ud9> says screen saver not running
[18:39] <mnemoc>  sudo aptitude install xlockmore
[18:39] <mnemoc> ^--- that fixed the problem for me
[18:39] <Owe1> that worked for me
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> then start "gnome-screensaver &"
[18:40] <oncl0ud9> how can I blank out screen so that it doesn't show contense of my desktop
[18:41] <vidd> oncl0ud9, you need to enable gnome-screensaver
[18:42] <vidd> without a screensaver, it cant blank the screen
[18:42] <vidd> even if you configure the screensaver to "none" it still needs to be running
[18:43] <oncl0ud9> how do install gnome-screensaver
[18:44] <vidd> oncl0ud9, sudo apt-get install gnome-screensaver
[18:44] <oncl0ud9> ok and how do I configure it vidd
[18:45] <vidd> i have my screensaver set to "Disable screensaver" and the ctrl+alt+del still locks the desktop
[18:45] <vidd> oncl0ud9, applications->Settings->screensaver
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> yeah  but it will go to screensaver
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> but when I go to move mice
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> it shows my desktop
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> then I have to input password
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> I dont want it to show my desktop
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> I want it to be like a blackscreen
[18:48] <vidd> oncl0ud9, when you hit ctrl+alt+del?
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> yeah c+a+d... goes to screensaver
[18:48] <oncl0ud9> shake mice
[18:49] <oncl0ud9> it comes with my desktop
[18:49] <oncl0ud9> and then I have to type password
[18:49] <oncl0ud9> but I dont want it to show my desktop
[18:49] <vidd> hrm....
[18:49] <oncl0ud9> I want it to be blackscreen
[18:49] <vidd> try this:
[18:49] <oncl0ud9> with password prompt
[18:49] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge xscreensaver
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> i use slock
[18:50] <oncl0ud9> slock?
[18:50] <Odd-rationale> http://www.suckless.org/programs/slock.html
[18:51] <vidd> oncl0ud9, did you upgrade to hardy or a fresh install?
[18:52] <oncl0ud9> fresh
[18:52] <vidd> ok....
[18:52] <vidd> then removing xscreensaver says its not installed?
[18:52] <vidd> do this:
[18:52] <amorphous_> Hello..!
[18:53] <vidd> sudo apt-get install xlockmore-gl
[18:53] <vidd> hello amorphous_
[18:53] <amorphous_> does xubuntu suport ppc (g3) on anything other than dapper?
[18:53] <vidd> xlockmore is xlock + more =]
[18:53] <amorphous_> hey vidd
[18:53] <amorphous_> ;)
[18:54] <vidd> amorphous_, they are working on the II version...havent quite got it hammered out
[18:54] <vidd> they have a hh version....but it is not "officially" supported
[18:55] <amorphous_> dapper seems a long way back... how can i get the hh version? I'll give it a go... at least I could let them know
[18:55] <amorphous_> although it is a g3 @ 233Mhz
[18:55] <Odd-rationale> !ppc
[18:55] <amorphous_> what you think my odds are, vidd?
[18:56] <vidd> dunno
[18:56] <oncl0ud9> do u know what I mean vidd?
[19:02] <vidd> oncl0ud9, install xlockmore-gl
[19:02] <vidd> oncl0ud9, and you should be golden
[19:04] <mnemoc> is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Xubuntu%20and%20others  still the way in fuzzy ibex? (*g*)
[19:07] <vidd> amorphous_, i should have that link for hardy's ppc in a few
[19:07] <vidd> please bear with me =]
[19:08] <knome> bear? what about wolves?
[19:08] <mnemoc> roar?
[19:09] <vidd> knome, not animals....garments XD
[19:09] <knome> ;)
[19:09] <amorphous_> wicked, cheers vidd... am reading up on it now - they're saying in the last link to install command line alternate & aptitude xubuntu...!
[19:09] <amorphous_> sounds pretty straightforward
[19:09] <vidd> amorphous_, get the server instal image here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/hardy/release/
[19:10] <vidd> then once it is installed....run sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <vidd> (or which ever -desktop you wnat!)
[19:10] <vidd> *want
[19:11] <amorphous_> vidd, Done.
[19:11] <amorphous_> thanks :)
[19:11] <vidd> amorphous_, enjoy
[19:11] <vidd> amorphous_, the ii version install disks are still broken...no ETA on them....
[19:12] <amorphous_> I intend to.  Should please all the laptop-free people in the house that want to get online, too.
[19:12] <vidd> but you SHOULD be able to upgrade from hardy to intrepid via upgrade manager on schedual
[19:12] <amorphous_> all in all --- win-win :D
[19:12] <oncl0ud9> vidd whats the command again?
[19:13] <vidd> better win-win then win-dows
[19:13] <amorphous_> ...just out of interest.... whats the second i in intrepid
[19:13] <vidd> oncl0ud9, sudo apt-get install xlockmore-gl
[19:13] <amorphous_> and you know it (doze)
[19:13] <vidd> amorphous_, whatever critter they selected
[19:14] <vidd> amorphous_, i never really pay attention
[19:14] <vidd> =]
[19:14] <knome> ibex
[19:15] <amorphous_> ibex... Hehehe...
[19:15] <amorphous_> gives it a bit of character, vidd
[19:16] <oncl0ud9> do I remove the non -gl version?
[19:16] <amorphous_> adn was that you being a grumpy old git, vidd?
[19:16] <vidd> oncl0ud9, no...the -gl depends on the non -gl version
[19:17] <oncl0ud9> it is making me lock it twice
[19:17] <oncl0ud9> how do I remove
[19:17] <vidd> hrm....
[19:17] <oncl0ud9> how do I remove xlockmore?
[19:18] <vidd> oncl0ud9, sudo apt-get remove --purge xlock xlockmore xlockmore-gl
[19:18] <vidd> oncl0ud9, then, sudo apt-get install xlockmore-gl
[19:36] <mnemoc> vidd: there is an "xlock" package? I only see xlockmore
[19:37] <vidd> mnemoc, if tab-complete does not give you xlock, then it is not installed
[19:38] <mnemoc> vidd: "No candidate version found for xlock
[19:38] <mnemoc> "
[19:39] <vidd> mnemoc, you do NOT want it installed
[19:39] <vidd> the app you want is either xlockmore or xlockmore-gl
[19:39] <mnemoc> ok :)
[19:39]  * vidd recommends the -gl
[19:40]  * mnemoc removing xlockmore to install xlockmore-gl
[19:41] <vidd> mnemoc,  is your screen locking the way you expect it to?
[19:42] <oncl0ud9> how do I make it not save sessions and have a new session every time I log in
[19:43] <mnemoc> vidd: with -gl it is.... xlockmore ignored my xscreensaver choiced, xlockmore-gl honors them :)
[19:43] <mnemoc> choices*
[19:43] <vidd> mnemoc, hence why i recommend it =]
[19:43] <mnemoc> :D
[19:43] <vidd> oncl0ud9, when you log out, uncheck the "save session"
[19:44] <vidd> oncl0ud9, but first, remove your stored session
[19:44] <vidd> =\
[19:44] <Owe1> how do u remove the stored session
[19:45] <mnemoc> vidd: there is any way to lock the desktop without chaning the semantic of the quit button?
[19:45] <zoredache> the are in ~/.cache/sessions/*
[19:46] <vidd> mnemoc, yes....ctrl+alt+del (the 3-fingered-salute)
[19:46] <mnemoc> vidd: that's the first I tried, but not working here :\
[19:47] <vidd> mnemoc, then add a second "quit" pannel applet...so you have one to quit, and one to lock the desktop
[19:47] <mnemoc> vidd: nice trick :)
[19:47] <vidd> but it "just works" for me
[19:48] <oncl0ud9> can someone tell me how to remove last sessions
[19:48] <mnemoc> oncl0ud9: rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions/* ?
[19:49] <oncl0ud9> I dont want it to load sessions anymore
[19:50] <oncl0ud9> want it to be a clean login all the time
[19:50] <vidd> oncl0ud9, me too....
[19:50] <zoredache> you can adjust .config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc and make SaveOneExit=false
[19:51] <vidd> oncl0ud9, follow the command that mnemoc posted and you should be golden
[19:51] <zoredache> that will make it so session are not saved by default
[19:52] <oncl0ud9> thanks guys :)
[20:08] <oncl0ud9> how do I make it so when my headphone plugs in that my laptop speakers dont work
[20:08] <alegoodpharm> hmm, most headphone jacks turn off the internal speakers when you plug something in
[20:08] <alegoodpharm> its not?
[20:08] <oncl0ud9> no its not working by default
[20:08] <oncl0ud9> it works in vista ok
[20:08] <alegoodpharm> i've not heard of that issue, sorry
[20:08] <alegoodpharm> google helps me on most issues
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> i've heard of it happening... never happend to me though..
[20:09] <oncl0ud9> oh hmmph
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> search the forums...
[20:09] <alegoodpharm> perhaps it has its own channel
[20:09] <oncl0ud9> maybe lemme c
[20:10] <Owe1> is it possible to convert from ext3 to ext2 without formatting.
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> Owe1: yes. just disalbe journaling...
[20:10] <Owe1> how do you do that
[20:11] <Hillshum> I just installed Compiz but its empty
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> Owe1: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html
[20:13] <Owe1> thanks odd-rationale
[20:13] <oncl0ud9> is there any way to auto minimize applications upon going on lock
[20:25] <vidd> oncl0ud9, i have not found any way to do so
[20:25] <vidd> (would be helpful with those pwn vids!)
[20:25] <oncl0ud9> exactly!
[20:25] <knome> lol
[20:25] <oncl0ud9> :)
[20:26] <oncl0ud9> I work in IT so be good to be able to auto minimize
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> i usually switc desktop to a blank one before locking the screen
[20:26] <oncl0ud9> thats smart!
[20:27] <vidd> Odd-rationale, is there a way to auto-switch on lock?
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> well, idk, maybe with mcs?
[20:28] <oncl0ud9> hmmm lost my mini workspaces down in the panel
[20:28] <oncl0ud9> how do I add them back
[20:28] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: add a workspace switcher...
[20:28] <vidd> right-click on panel and re-add them
[20:29] <oncl0ud9> dont see it there
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> ok. i got the soltion...
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> !info wmctrl
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> http://sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> make a script that does "wmctrl -s 4; xlock"
[20:30] <oncl0ud9> what does that do?
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> then link that script to the keybinding...
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: read the link about wmctrl
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> :P
[20:32] <oncl0ud9> lol k
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> actaully, "wmctrl -s 4; xflock" might be better...
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> * -s 3
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> couts from 0
[20:32] <knome> tshh
[20:33] <oncl0ud9> lol im not a script kiddy :(
[20:33] <knome> learn to type ;)
[20:33] <knome> ^ Odd-rationale
[20:33] <Odd-rationale> knome: :P
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> vidd: try wmctrl to switch desktop before locking...
[20:36] <oncl0ud9> LOL
[20:36] <oncl0ud9> ouch :)
[20:37] <Owe1> i dont know if this is helpful but if you press ctrl+alt+the left or right arrows you can quick switch between desktops
[20:39] <oncl0ud9> hmmm I cant get the workspace to come up anymore :(
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: what workspace?
[20:40] <oncl0ud9> the icon that was below
[20:40] <oncl0ud9> with the workspace 1 and 2
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> idk what you are talking about.. :|
[20:43] <Odd-rationale> what did you do to make it disappear?
[20:44] <oncl0ud9> removed it from panel :(
[20:44] <oncl0ud9> u know the icon that shows your displays
[20:44] <vidd> oncl0ud9, so re-add it!
[20:44] <oncl0ud9> the small 1
[20:44] <oncl0ud9> I cant find it lol
[20:44] <Odd-rationale> vidd: where you able to get wmctrl to do what you want?
[20:44] <vidd> add new item->pager
[20:45] <vidd> Odd-rationale, im not the one interested....
[20:45] <oncl0ud9> there we go
[20:45] <oncl0ud9> I was the one that wanted it
[20:45] <oncl0ud9> I have to play with it
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> oh ok... i though i saw you ask...
[20:47] <oncl0ud9> hmmm..
[20:47] <oncl0ud9> I did make
[20:47] <oncl0ud9> but it says no target specified
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: what are you trying to make?
[20:48] <oncl0ud9> downloaded the wmctrl-107
[20:48] <oncl0ud9> extracted it
[20:48] <oncl0ud9> now I am trying to make it
[20:48] <oncl0ud9> but it isn't working
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: it is in the repos. sudo apt-get install wmctrl
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> no need to compile...
[20:49] <oncl0ud9> im such a newb at this :$
[20:50] <oncl0ud9> I tried doing wmctrl -s 4
[20:50] <oncl0ud9> but no luck
[20:50] <oncl0ud9> doesn't do anything
[20:50] <vidd> oncl0ud9, how many desktops you have?
[20:50] <oncl0ud9> 2
[20:51] <vidd> oncl0ud9, then switch the 4 with 2
[20:51] <vidd> you cant move to desktop 4 if you dont have a desktop 4!
[20:51] <vidd> =]
[20:51] <oncl0ud9> LOL
[20:51] <oncl0ud9> im a newb lol
[20:51] <vidd> and with that...im going home!
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> oncl0ud9: actually use 1... counting starts from 0...
[20:54] <oncl0ud9> it works wmctrl -0; xlock ... but I don't think thats the screensaver I was using
[20:54] <oncl0ud9> ops I meant 1
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> doesn't xlock use a random one everytime or something?
[20:55] <oncl0ud9> yeah
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> anyways... gtg bbl
[21:07] <Owe1> odd-rationale: thanks for the help
[22:24] <jeronimus> could anywone tell me how i can get the version of my xubuntu install i did some time ago?
[22:24] <knome> !version