| Riddell | hugs to rgreening and a|wen for testing! | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | and whoever adder1972 is | 00:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: My 14 year old daughter is doing a dist-upgrade test for us. | 00:07 |
| Riddell | hugs to ScottK-laptop's daughter! | 00:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: She could follow the instructions just fine and she's not very technical. | 00:08 |
| rgreening | np. still doing more.. just waiting fer dl to complete on DVD and CD | 00:08 |
| rgreening | gj Riddell on the clear/concide docs | 00:08 |
| * a|wen hugs rgreening, Riddell, ScottK-laptop's daughter :) | 00:09 | |
| ScottK-laptop | a|wen: You stay away from my daughter. | 00:09 |
| * ScottK-laptop doesn't allow that sort of thing. | 00:09 | |
| ScottK-laptop | ;-) | 00:09 |
| * a|wen is scout troop leader for kids that age ... they deserve a hug when they do something good :P | 00:12 | |
| a|wen | ScottK-laptop: and dist-upgrade testing surely is in that category :) | 00:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | That's abusive parenting. Different issue. | 00:13 |
| a|wen | haha | 00:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | If launchpad is serving unsigned .dsc files, that's a problem, right? | 00:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | Someone tell me if they see a gpg signature on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/spamassassin/3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1/+files/spamassassin_3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1.dsc | 00:14 |
| JontheEchidna | that looks pretty much like plaintext to me | 00:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 00:16 |
| a|wen | at least it is sent over a SSL connection with proper certificates | 00:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | Actually it isn't. | 00:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | That link will redirect to launchpadlibrarian which is http. | 00:19 |
| a|wen | oh ... that's bad then | 00:20 |
| * a|wen thinks he should be notified by that by kate | 00:20 | |
| a|wen | hmm; opening a http link from konversation doesn't work on a fresh 8.10 install ... after installing firefox opening links now works (they open in firefox) | 00:34 |
| Riddell | how strange | 00:41 |
| a|wen | Riddell: seems ScottK know it as well, bug 271598 | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271598 | 00:43 |
| * NCommander needs someone to beat me | 00:45 | |
| NCommander | I broke KDE on lpia :-/ | 00:45 |
| NCommander | ScottK, you floating around | 00:46 |
| NCommander | wait | 00:47 |
| NCommander | WOOO | 00:47 |
| txwikinger2 | Where die the cube effect go? | 00:47 |
| txwikinger2 | did | 00:47 |
| NCommander | I'm not responsible for the kde4bindings FTBFS! | 00:47 |
| JontheEchidna | txwikinger2: patch was causing regressions so it was reverted | 00:48 |
| txwikinger2 | Ah | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah :( | 00:48 |
| NCommander | JontheEchidna, well, at least I determined I didn't break the lpia KDE (Soyuz did that on its own) | 00:49 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 00:50 |
| * Hobbsee glares at the uni | 00:50 | |
| txwikinger2 | What's wrong with the Uni? | 00:50 |
| Hobbsee | looks like they've put in a harder firewall | 00:50 |
| Hobbsee | looks like they're only allowing 80, 443, and 22 only inside uni | 00:51 |
| txwikinger2 | A firewall is just an invitation for circumvention | 00:51 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| Hobbsee | that's true | 00:52 |
| a|wen | Hobbsee: ssh -D is your friend then | 00:52 |
| Hobbsee | but I can't even ping outside the uni... | 00:52 |
| txwikinger | well.. stopping ping is easy | 00:52 |
| Hobbsee | a|wen: how exactly do I use that? | 00:53 |
| a|wen | Hobbsee: "ssh -D 8080 example.com" ... you now have a socks proxy on localhost:8080 through your ssh-connection | 00:54 |
| txwikinger | you can also an ajax ssh aplication | 00:54 |
| txwikinger | run | 00:55 |
| Hobbsee | a|wen: but, what port do i use to get into the example? | 00:55 |
| txwikinger | the one that goes through the Uni proxy | 00:55 |
| Hobbsee | so 80 or 443. right. | 00:55 |
| txwikinger | Or are you saying that they allow no surfing outside the uni anymore? | 00:56 |
| a|wen | Hobbsee: start by issuing the command (replacing example.com with whatever your server outside uni is called) ... now open interned settings, tick socks proxy and write "localhost:8080" | 00:56 |
| a|wen | s/interned/internet/ | 00:57 |
| Hobbsee | txwikinger: they only do on 80 and 443. | 00:57 |
| a|wen | Hobbsee: oh ... the ssh -D only solves your problem if port 22 is open | 00:58 |
| Hobbsee | a|wen: that's what I thought. | 00:58 |
| txwikinger | Well, you need to have a server outside that runs sshd on port 80 | 00:58 |
| txwikinger | or 443 | 00:59 |
| txwikinger | that's how I did it before | 00:59 |
| txwikinger | or that has a firewall that does the reverse translation | 00:59 |
| Hobbsee | txwikinger: do i need to do anything special if i put it on 443? | 00:59 |
| txwikinger | No | 01:00 |
| txwikinger | You can configure sshd on any port | 01:00 |
| txwikinger | As usual, only root can allocate ports <1000 | 01:00 |
| txwikinger | but that is the same as 22 | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | still no dice. | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | debug1: Connecting to hobbsee.com [64.62.190.244] port 443. | 01:01 |
| txwikinger | what is running on that port on hobbsee.com? | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | txwikinger: sshd, it should be. | 01:03 |
| txwikinger | and you do ssh -p 443 <username>@hobbsee.com ? | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | txwikinger: yes | 01:04 |
| txwikinger | well.. that should usually work | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | that's what I would have thought. | 01:04 |
| a|wen | Hobbsee: you changed /etc/ssh/sshd_config and not /etc/ssh/ssh_config right? | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | a|wen: yes. | 01:05 |
| txwikinger | and restarted it | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | yees | 01:05 |
| txwikinger | :) | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i suck. | 01:06 |
| txwikinger | Am I allowed to test it with my sniffer on? | 01:06 |
| * txwikinger does not ping other peoples machines without permission | 01:06 | |
| * Hobbsee pokes a hole in the firewall | 01:06 | |
| Hobbsee | i win. Thanks guys! | 01:10 |
| txwikinger | you are welcome | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | so I can tunnel over 443. | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh, nice konversation :) | 01:11 |
| a|wen | no problem | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | for future reference, sudo ssh -p443 -fND 3456 user@host.com works. | 01:12 |
| a|wen | :) | 01:13 |
| * Hobbsee has an evil thought | 01:14 | |
| Hobbsee | now that i've proxied out...perhaps time to rsync the iso's again? :) | 01:14 |
| txwikinger | Hehe | 01:15 |
| a|wen | remember it should be the dvd iso ;) | 01:15 |
| NCommander | how goes things Hobbsee | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | NCommander: well, now thta i've managed to poke a hole thru the arcane uni firewall, which has got even *more* restricted before, pretty good. | 01:16 |
| a|wen | no more testing for me now ... goodnight everyone | 01:17 |
| rgreening | nite | 01:19 |
| rgreening | :) | 01:19 |
| txwikinger | o/ rgreening | 01:19 |
| rgreening | 'lo | 01:20 |
| rgreening | :P | 01:20 |
| txwikinger | why :p? | 01:21 |
| rgreening | no reason. just being funny .. | 01:22 |
| txwikinger | Ah :) | 01:22 |
| rgreening | \o | 01:22 |
| * rgreening is giving his hard drive a workout installing/testing these iso's | 01:23 | |
| Riddell | anyone got any windows machines? wubi needs testing | 01:24 |
| * txwikinger wonders what a windows machine is :) | 01:24 | |
| * txwikinger has only one laptop atm | 01:24 | |
| * rgreening windows free since '93 | 01:25 | |
| rgreening | :) | 01:25 |
| txwikinger | Where is MooDoo when you need him | 01:25 |
| txwikinger | probably sleeping | 01:25 |
| rgreening | 2.7 of 3.6 Gig dl of DVD... | 01:27 |
| * txwikinger does not even try that | 01:27 | |
| rgreening | lol | 01:27 |
| txwikinger | I have only 50kB/s atm | 01:27 |
| rgreening | 8Mbps at home (Cable Internet) | 01:28 |
| txwikinger | It is cable here too | 01:28 |
| txwikinger | 500kbps or so | 01:28 |
| txwikinger | I need to get my own place again :D | 01:29 |
| rgreening | I'm gettin 300-400KB on the DVD | 01:29 |
| txwikinger | I think you can get mobile Internet here with 2Mbps | 01:30 |
| rgreening | that not bad | 01:30 |
| txwikinger | and fixed up to 18Mbps or so | 01:30 |
| nixternal | oi, got a presentation on saturday introducing ibex to chicago...there is a lot of info on Ubuntu 8.10, but not for Kubuntu 8.10 | 03:26 |
| nixternal | GNOME does much better marketing oriented release notes than KDE does I noticed | 03:26 |
| rgreening | heh | 03:26 |
| rgreening | we need writers/marketing doods | 03:27 |
| nixternal | I am one of the writers, but I think the marketing people control the release notes | 03:32 |
| nixternal | remember, devs != marketers...that's the problem with FLOSS | 03:32 |
| * rgreening should have said weneed ""more"" | 03:51 | |
| rgreening | :) | 03:51 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:59 |
| ScottK-laptop | "Ubuntu Cruft Cleaner - Now 98% more efficient" | 03:59 |
| vorian | my head asplode | 04:03 |
| rgreening | :) | 04:06 |
| * rgreening still testing iso's... iso sore... | 04:06 | |
| * ScottK-laptop finally got the kid's computer booted in Intrepid. | 04:17 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks NCommander. | 04:17 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, I highly recommend you never turn that machine off :-P | 04:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | Of course I had to cannabalize the LCD monitor from my wife's computer to do it. | 04:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yeah, well never ship a new kernel and I'll never reboot it. | 04:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | So I cranked the resolution down. Now I'll switch back. | 04:18 |
| NCommander | rofl | 04:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | You promised me a boot option to fix this .... | 04:19 |
| NCommander | possible | 04:20 |
| NCommander | I don't know of any offhand | 04:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK, well I either plugged the monitor back in or bent a bunch of pins. I'll know in a minute | 04:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: There's a BIOS option for hard disk pre-delay. Does cranking that up help here? | 04:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | And how is it usplash knows enough to determine the right display mode, but X doesn't? | 04:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | It's back to display out of range again after the reboot. | 04:27 |
| * ScottK-laptop reads man xrandr | 04:27 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Urgh | 04:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | xrandr only works when you're in the running X session. | 04:31 |
| * ScottK-laptop is running short on ideas. | 04:31 | |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Monitor specs say Max Resolution - 1600 x 1200 / 75 Hz | 04:35 |
| NCommander | ScottK, it reads it from a config file | 04:37 |
| NCommander | ScottK, you might need to manually hack your xorg file | 04:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | Urgh. | 04:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | But I don wanna | 04:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | Once it boots again I'll look through the old ones and see if anything seems appealing. | 04:39 |
| * NCommander nods | 04:39 | |
| nixternal | ScottK-laptop: boot into safe mode, go into system settings, and then advanced, and then services...uncheck that randr crap | 04:40 |
| NCommander | You probably need to set the resolution | 04:40 |
| nixternal | that fixed my issues this week | 04:40 |
| nixternal | krandr == shit | 04:40 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: What did you install instead? | 04:40 |
| nixternal | I just disabled randr monitor checking in system settings and my monitor came back to life | 04:40 |
| rgreening | intel vid cards rule in Linux | 04:40 |
| nixternal | that they do :) | 04:40 |
| rgreening | never an issuew 4 me | 04:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: That's what I've got. | 04:41 |
| nixternal | I had one, but that was a krandr issue | 04:41 |
| rgreening | bizarre | 04:41 |
| rgreening | amy xorg error | 04:41 |
| nixternal | krandr couldn't configure itself to save its own ass | 04:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: I can't get into a kdm session to do that without switching monitors. | 04:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: I've been throught reconfiguring | 04:42 |
| nixternal | ScottK-laptop: you can't even set a bogus modeline in xorg.conf to let you in? | 04:42 |
| rgreening | oh, is it a855 gm or older? | 04:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | D945 | 04:42 |
| rgreening | hmm.. should auto fine | 04:42 |
| nixternal | ScottK-laptop: grep 'kcmrandrrc_display_applyonstartup' ~/.kde/share/config | 04:43 |
| nixternal | does it return true or false? | 04:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Auto's fine with the LCD off my wife's computer. Not with the monitor that's normally on it. | 04:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Will check | 04:43 |
| rgreening | oh..nthatd edid | 04:43 |
| nixternal | yowsers, what does that say? :) | 04:43 |
| rgreening | thats edid probing. disable it | 04:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: False | 04:44 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 04:44 |
| rgreening | Tomb Raider Anniversary rox... oh Laura... | 04:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | Well none of the old xorg.conf's laying around do anything other than specif keyboard. | 04:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | specif/specify | 04:47 |
| nixternal | see if the kcmrandrrc [Screen...] lines are commented out in ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig | 04:48 |
| nixternal | it is one of them damn randr settings..has to be | 04:49 |
| nixternal | mine are commented out in startupconfig....if that doesn't help, then boot up with the lcd and then try disabling that setting in system settings (re: my blog for details as well) | 04:49 |
| ScottK-laptop | those are all commented out | 04:49 |
| * nixternal crashes | 04:49 | |
| nixternal | lovely | 04:49 |
| nixternal | ooh, ScottK-laptop try killing kded4 and then trying | 04:51 |
| ScottK-laptop | Switching to the LCD now. | 04:51 |
| nixternal | oh :) | 04:51 |
| nixternal | alrighty, good luck on that...I am going to bed...have a stupid awards banquet to go to tomorrow night | 04:52 |
| ScottK-laptop | Bah. | 04:52 |
| ScottK-laptop | Sleep is for the weak. | 04:52 |
| rgreening | 42in Laura Croft oh my | 04:52 |
| nixternal | that it is, and I am damn weak | 04:52 |
| Greenery | did kubuntu update their xv video driver recently? cause when i play video on dragon player, it show black spots all over it | 05:36 |
| === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx | ||
| davmor2 | Riddell: you know the wubi install that failed was that on you intel gfx system? | 09:32 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no, ati machine | 09:35 |
| Riddell | davmor2: have you tried it? | 09:35 |
| Riddell | davmor2: it's very likely down to the lack of disk space, but I need someone to confirm that | 09:40 |
| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey | ||
| Riddell | nixternal: lastfm tells me you're listening to severed fifth :) | 10:34 |
| Riddell | kwwii: seen http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=88 ? | 10:53 |
| kwwii | Riddell: that is somewhat silly | 10:59 |
| kwwii | picking certain icons which just so happen to fit is not reality either | 10:59 |
| kwwii | and how many large tango icons are there? and why are they not in the same theme? | 10:59 |
| kwwii | I could go on and on | 10:59 |
| kwwii | seems like andreas is trying to justify his fear away | 11:00 |
| nixternal | Riddell: always listening to severed fifth :) | 11:26 |
| nixternal | just updated rockbox on my sansa, uploading my new tunes...getting ready for a busy day at work | 11:27 |
| seele | hmm.. can you guys start gwenview by clicking on an icon? | 11:51 |
| seele | "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/gwenview'" | 11:52 |
| seele | it looks like gwenview is in /usr/bin/ | 11:53 |
| Nightrose | jcastro: http://pastebin.com/m46404696 <- wanted to give gwibber a try :/ | 12:15 |
| rgreening | lol. no svg | 12:17 |
| rgreening | ~topic | 12:33 |
| kubotu | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help topic' | 12:33 |
| rgreening | kubotu: help topic | 12:33 |
| kubotu | topic add(at)|prepend|del(ete)|replace|sep(arator)|learn|restore|clear|set|undo: manipulate the topic of the current channel; use topic <#channel> <command> for private addressing | 12:33 |
| rgreening | ~topic set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | 12:35 |
| kubotu | rgreening, you don't have 'topic' permissions here | 12:35 |
| rgreening | dam | 12:35 |
| rgreening | lol | 12:35 |
| rgreening | Riddell/apachelogger... I though someone said we weren't elitist .. lol | 12:35 |
| rgreening | :) | 12:36 |
| * Hobbsee wonders what was wrong with /topic | 12:38 | |
| ScottK | rgreening: That's just the bot discriminating. You can change it as Hobbsee says. | 12:42 |
| rgreening | oh. lol | 12:42 |
| === rgreening changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | ||
| rgreening | ah-hah | 12:42 |
| rgreening | ty. | 12:42 |
| rgreening | :) | 12:42 |
| ScottK | Now, in return, please fix my kernel problems ... | 12:42 |
| * rgreening hugs hobbsee | 12:42 | |
| * rgreening slaps ScottK | 12:43 | |
| * rgreening ducks | 12:43 | |
| rgreening | ScottK: what kernel prob | 12:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Fortunately I'm over here. | 12:43 |
| rgreening | codeweavers is taking a pounding today... | 12:44 |
| echidnaman | This is my kernel problem: bug 267295 | 12:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267295 in linux "2.6.27-2.3 fails to boot on Compaq Presario S6010V: " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267295 | 12:44 |
| rgreening | looking.. | 12:44 |
| === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| ScottK-laptop | Mine is Bug 290153 | 12:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 290153 in linux-meta "Fails to find boot device in Intel D945Gnt (with Jmicron ATA controller)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290153 | 12:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | Looks like I put it on the wrong package though. | 12:46 |
| * Hobbsee hugs rgreening back :) | 12:47 | |
| rgreening | o/ | 12:48 |
| usr | Hi! I am at Kubuntu 8.10 RC+, and I remember that in the Kubuntu wiki was wrote: Kubuntu 8.10 will come with KPackageKit, but it comes with Adept. Why? | 12:48 |
| JontheEchidna | usr: nobody said it would come with kpackagekit, at most it was said that we would look in to using it | 12:50 |
| ScottK-laptop | IIRC it's available if one wants it. | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, that's true too | 12:50 |
| usr | ok, JontheEchidna. Thank you :-) | 12:51 |
| mornfall | usr: Ah, you have mailed me right? | 12:51 |
| usr | yes, mornfall | 12:51 |
| ScottK-laptop | .kde only gets touched if a user has logged in, so if I'm going to revert to Hardy, the only user that's screwed is the one I've used, right? | 12:52 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: your bug. could be a pci routing issue. have you tried moving the card to a different slot or enabling some of the apic/pci work-arounds...simply disabling the pci card seems to point in that direction. especially the preempt crash line. If the pci code is hung up, preemp could crash (I think) | 12:52 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: should be correct. yep | 12:53 |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks. | 12:53 |
| rgreening | np. looking at your bug now... | 12:53 |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks. | 12:53 |
| mornfall | usr: Well, to reply here -- I'm not interested in PackageKit. I find it to be fundamentally flawed and I don't want to throw any time on it. | 12:53 |
| mornfall | Yes, people are trying to come up with ways to make things like searching through slow, crappy dbus interfaces work, but that's something I'd just rather avoid. | 12:54 |
| * rgreening hugs mornfall * thanks for all the work on Adept * +++++mornfall | 12:54 | |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | ||
| jjesse | well tell me how you really feel about it :) | 12:54 |
| * JontheEchidna wonders how "set" got in the chan topic | 12:54 | |
| * rgreening hides... | 12:54 | |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 12:55 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: my fault | 12:55 |
| rgreening | lol | 12:55 |
| rgreening | diff between ~topic and /topic... never removed the "set" from ~topic command | 12:55 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: did this only happen once? or every boot? | 12:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | Every boot | 12:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | Except if I boot a hardy live CD, it's fine | 12:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | Intrepid live CD has the same problem. | 12:57 |
| rgreening | strange brew indeed | 12:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | yeah. | 12:57 |
| rgreening | is it a SATA I or II drive | 12:58 |
| rgreening | do you have raid or lvm or encryption? or just regular ext3 | 13:00 |
| rgreening | ScottK: ^ | 13:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | SATA I I'm pretty sure (it's ~almost 2 years old. | 13:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | Regular ext3 | 13:01 |
| rgreening | lots seem to have the issue, but all with lvm/raid | 13:01 |
| usr | ok, mornfall: thank you you for your answer. Adept 2.0 was slow, but 3.0 is very good, their search filter is very fast. Now it is even faster than synaptic. I think that you are doing a great work with Adept 3.0. | 13:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: If you remember the Intel boards that wouldn't work in Linux for a while because Intel planned to ship with no ATA at all and slapped a Jmicron ATA controller on at the last minute? | 13:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | This is one of those. | 13:01 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:01 |
| rgreening | check the old hardy kernel and see if a patch existed for it. maybe it wasn't applied for the new tree... and should be | 13:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Got network. | 13:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | Actually it was an issue back in Gutsy, IIRC. In Hardy it's fine. | 13:03 |
| usr | mornfall: thank yo | 13:04 |
| usr | 13:04 | |
| usr | thanks for giving us a better alternative to synaptic | 13:04 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: I wonder if jmicron module isn't in initramfs. can you see if it is? | 13:04 |
| mornfall | Glad to be of help. | 13:05 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: or isn't loading... | 13:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: It's the SATA one it can't find. | 13:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | It's a timing issue somehow because if I wait a minute or two and exit initramfs, the boot is fine. | 13:05 |
| rgreening | yeah, cause something is probing and forcing the right module ot load. might need to force it manually/sooner... or add a rootdelay | 13:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. If rootdelay does what it sounds like, that sounds workable. | 13:07 |
| rgreening | try rootdelay=40 on kernel line | 13:07 |
| rgreening | from bug 278176 | 13:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 278176 in mdadm "Intrepid ubuntu server won't boot RAID1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278176 | 13:07 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: maybe we should add rootdelay to the failsafe kernel line for future... | 13:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 13:10 |
| rgreening | let me know if it works... | 13:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | I'd appreciate it if a German speaker would look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/11004 and see if maybe it's relevant to my problem. | 13:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | It's been a long time since I had to look at menu.lst | 13:12 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: I looked over that bug... I didn't see anything that stood out... | 13:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Thanks. It was one of the very few hits on D945 | 13:14 |
| rgreening | but I dun speak it... just looked for the commands, errors and other english bits to decipher... | 13:14 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | So where do I put rootdelay? | 13:15 |
| rgreening | rebooting? | 13:15 |
| rgreening | ah, on the kernel line. try before the quiet | 13:15 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK | 13:15 |
| * rgreening crosses fingers | 13:15 | |
| * ScottK-laptop reboots | 13:16 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Nope | 13:19 |
| rgreening | dam | 13:19 |
| rgreening | I even crossed my toes | 13:19 |
| rgreening | and eyes | 13:20 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:20 |
| * ScottK-laptop will try 300 just to see if the idea is feasible. | 13:20 | |
| rgreening | lol | 13:21 |
| rgreening | go spartans go... | 13:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | Got network automatically on that boot, so that problem is solved. | 13:23 |
| rgreening | 30 worked? | 13:23 |
| rgreening | 300? | 13:23 |
| rgreening | if so, try 60. I think that was one of the suggestions in that bug I ref'd | 13:24 |
| ScottK-laptop | Waiting now. | 13:24 |
| ScottK-laptop | BIOS takes a LONG time on this box. | 13:24 |
| rgreening | brb | 13:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | Intel D945 was not a good choice. | 13:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: 300 worked | 13:27 |
| * ScottK-laptop tries 60 | 13:29 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Nope | 13:33 |
| rgreening | hehe | 13:33 |
| rgreening | ok, so, SATA or jmicron module is loaded to late... which is why a longer delay is required,.,. | 13:34 |
| rgreening | at least you have a work around, just need to report to initramfs dev to look at | 13:35 |
| ScottK-laptop | So it's an initramfs bug and not a kernel bug? | 13:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: ^^ | 13:36 |
| * ScottK-laptop tries 90 | 13:37 | |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: I would suggest... | 13:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | You suggest it's an initramfs bug? | 13:37 |
| rgreening | possibly. Try an older initramfs and do the update-initramfs -u with an older one and see if it works. | 13:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | Seems scary. | 13:38 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:38 |
| rgreening | but we devs deal in scary all the time | 13:38 |
| rgreening | and its halloween | 13:38 |
| ScottK-laptop | I think for this morning, I'll be happy with rootdelay= some right number. | 13:40 |
| * ScottK-laptop hands NCommander some rootdelay= | 13:41 | |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: 90 works. Thanks for the help. | 13:41 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: np | 13:42 |
| NCommander | Ah, so that was it | 13:42 |
| rgreening | update the bug and assign initramsf to it. | 13:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Well it's a work around. | 13:42 |
| rgreening | see if they can reason why the delay is necessary | 13:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | I'm also going to release note it. | 13:42 |
| rgreening | don't send money, just crispy cream donuts... their icing is crack | 13:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | yeah. | 13:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: What package does initramfs live in? | 13:48 |
| ScottK-laptop | Busybox? | 13:49 |
| rgreening | 1 se c | 13:49 |
| rgreening | yes | 13:49 |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks | 13:49 |
| rgreening | dpkg -L busybox-initramfs | 13:51 |
| rgreening | I think that's the correct one. | 13:51 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: might want to add initramfs-tools too | 13:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | I started there. That one doesn't exist in Intrepid. | 13:57 |
| rgreening | what? | 13:57 |
| rgreening | dpkg -S initramfs-tools | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: we are not, kubotu is | 13:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: Nevermind. I can't use Launchpad. But we all knew that. | 13:59 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:59 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: anything in /etc/modprobe.d/initramfs | 14:03 |
| * ScottK-laptop looks | 14:03 | |
| ScottK-laptop | File doesn't exist | 14:03 |
| rgreening | ok. nothing blacklisted | 14:03 |
| rgreening | I think the problem is initramfs-tools on further looking. | 14:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Added that one. | 14:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | Eventually something will stick. | 14:05 |
| rgreening | lol | 14:05 |
| * ScottK-laptop moves on to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration | 14:06 | |
| * rgreening thinks ScottK-laptop needs to download an older initramfs-tools and update with that one | 14:06 | |
| * jjesse is glad his upgrade to intrepid was as painful | 14:08 | |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: It boots. I'm happy. Currently it only displays with the LCD off my wife's computer. She gets back in town tomorrow ... | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you should fix your HTML engine | 14:09 |
| rgreening | I never seem to have any reall problems (other than the wireless hiccups during alpha) | 14:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | This is the first time in a long time I've had any trouble. | 14:09 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: :) | 14:09 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: do you get and .xsession-errors or kdm.log or Xorg.0.log with an indication of what is detected/failed? | 14:10 |
| rgreening | you should pastebin them for me... I'll look | 14:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | Just starting to look. OK. | 14:10 |
| ScottK2 | I'm multiplying | 14:12 |
| jjesse | or cloning yourself? | 14:13 |
| rgreening | Riddell: in the OEM GUI install, should we not link the Add/Remove or Adept in the folderview? and maybe have a quickstart readme on how OEM's can install/customize/brand (or a link to such docs)? Too late for Intrepid, but what about Jaunty | 14:14 |
| jjesse | rgreening: propose a blueprint? | 14:15 |
| rgreening | yeah, will likely do that. I need to know what currently exists for OEM's. Then I'll gladly do up a spec. | 14:16 |
| ScottK2 | I think my problem is that the graphics card will do more than the monitor and X is auto configuring based on just the card. | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: can we somehow get rid of the sidebar for the release news? | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | looks pretty supid | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | maybe create a special content type and do some magic stuff to not display the left region for that type at all? | 14:25 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: on the left side? What would happen if a user thinks ``Oh, this is really cool, I want it'' while reading the release news but can't find the prominent download button | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | then we add a download button | 14:26 |
| Riddell | rgreening: seems sensible | 14:27 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: ok. and, got carried away with other things, before I stick on the planet, any objections to http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/uncategorized/13 ? | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: 404 is a bit 404 :P | 14:30 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: gah, *unticks the private box*... try again | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: you are aware that we will end up with loads of nerdwork? ;-) | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: looking good otherwise | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the news needs some structure | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | 14:33 |
| rgreening | Riddell: should I blueprint this up? A more fleshed out OEM spec... and is there any OEM docs out there for Kubuntu (or Ubuntu)? | 14:33 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: yes. doesn't mean we need to take it all, and if they use [Kubuntu Intrepid], it's good advertising :) | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: I doubt the advertisyness of nerdwork :P | 14:34 |
| * apachelogger has a unique POV on nerdwork vs. artwork anyway | 14:34 | |
| jjesse | how do you add a screenshot to a wiki? never uploaded an image before | 14:36 |
| jjesse | was going to upload my dekstop on my dell mini 9 | 14:36 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: there, fixed it up, better? | 14:37 |
| ScottK2 | rgreening: It looks like the video driver is reporting back nothing about the display and so if the display can automatically cope, it's OK ... otherwise, not. | 14:44 |
| nixternal | !info linux-image | 14:44 |
| ubottu | linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.21.23 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB | 14:44 |
| nixternal | !info gcc | 14:44 |
| ubottu | gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.62ubuntu6)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.3-1ubuntu6 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: yus | 14:44 |
| rgreening | ScottK2: hmm... can you test the bad monitor on another system, see if problem follows monitor (could be we need to add it to the monitor db/list for detection) | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 211674 that actually sounds more like software-prop crashes which causes as crash in adept | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 211674 in adeptmgr "Adept Manager crashes when you add bad URL of a mirror" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211674 | 15:04 |
| Riddell | rgreening: sounds like a UDS topic | 15:19 |
| nixternal | are we gonna do some hacking at UDS in between the partying? | 15:23 |
| * apachelogger giggles about the "partying" | 15:24 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: nah, a bad sources.list crashes adept | 15:25 |
| Riddell | it's time best used for discussion rather than hacking | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: immediately? | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | back when I tested it, it would crash when reading state | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: bug 242614 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 242614 in kubuntu-docs "package kubuntu-docs 8.04-3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242614 | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, then this a 2 layer problem | 15:26 |
| rgreening | Riddell: where should I doc it then, if we want to add for UDS topic? LP Blueprint or elsewhere? | 15:26 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: I can't do anything about that right now....at work | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: note it on your todo :P | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: software-prop should only write valid sources.list and adept shouldn't crash on them | 15:27 |
| JontheEchidna | brb, resetting router | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | Arby: for bugs fixed for KDE 4.1.3 please set intrepid-updates as milestone | 15:28 |
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| Riddell | rgreening: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | 15:31 |
| rgreening | ty. I'll add it to the list. | 15:31 |
| rgreening | Riddell: done | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | kde bug 53397 | 15:48 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 53397 in general "KDirLister::OpenURL(_url) don't concern about the FileChanged of "url" itself " [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53397 | 15:48 |
| rgreening | good bug. hah | 16:23 |
| rgreening | Riddell: for Jaunty, would it be beneficial to extend update-notifier-kde right-click menu for About, Help, and possibly show the dist/devel upgrade options (maybe via an advanced popup) to allow users to access the upgrade that way? Maybe make a persistant version of the icon for the systray? | 16:58 |
| jtechidna | rgreening: ideally we would be able to make it into a plasmoid, I'd think | 17:03 |
| jtechidna | sorta like the new device notifier but one that displays updatable packages maybe? | 17:03 |
| jtechidna | with clickly-pushy buttons to open up adept :D | 17:03 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I think it does have a menu option | 17:05 |
| rgreening | right-click exists, but not populated with anything other than name and exit | 17:05 |
| rgreening | that's what I was thinking we could extend... | 17:06 |
| rgreening | if you like the idea, I'll add it to the spec | 17:06 |
| Riddell | go ahead | 17:06 |
| rgreening | k. cool. | 17:07 |
| nixternal | hrmm, is there an issue with kubuntu and dvd's? | 17:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: works for me | 17:12 |
| jcastro | nixternal: last chance for openweek sessions! | 17:15 |
| jcastro | I know you want one! | 17:15 |
| KDesk | 9.04 will use KDE 4.2? Then KDE 4.2 will have Extenders, Extenders could be used as a notify method. http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-07/ | 17:20 |
| Riddell | jcastro: you didn't convince apachelogger to teach us all ruby? | 17:38 |
| jcastro | hah | 17:39 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: I picked the "Go to #ubuntu-x and beg for help from bryce" approach. | 17:47 |
| rgreening | lol | 17:47 |
| rgreening | -1 apachelogger for no ruby | 17:48 |
| * rgreening ducks | 17:48 | |
| ScottK-laptop | jcastro: Just sign him up and if he claims he doesn't remember signing up, tell him you suspect he was drunk when he did it. | 17:48 |
| jcastro | good idea | 17:49 |
| ArkoldThos | anyone getting crashes when burning at k3b :S? | 17:49 |
| ArkoldThos | at intrepid | 17:49 |
| rgreening | +1 ScottK-laptop for being devious | 17:50 |
| * ScottK-laptop has had a boss who was uncertain of his memory. That can be made to work for you. | 17:51 | |
| ScottK-laptop | gotta run. See you all later. | 17:52 |
| txwikinger | hi jcastro | 17:54 |
| jcastro | hi txwikinger | 17:55 |
| nixternal | jcastro: when is openweek? | 18:13 |
| jcastro | 3-7 nov | 18:13 |
| jcastro | nixternal: right after release | 18:13 |
| nixternal | unless I can do an openweek session at 19:00 or later CST, I won't be able to do one since I am at work | 18:16 |
| jcastro | dang | 18:18 |
| jcastro | Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+archive for intrepid and hardy, testing on kubuntu appreciated, if it doesn't blow people's stuff up I'll put those up in the official PPA. | 18:22 |
| Nightrose | jcastro: if you only changed the dep nothing should blow up here ;-) | 18:29 |
| jcastro | Nightrose: you'd be surprised the things I can break. | 18:29 |
| Nightrose | haha | 18:29 |
| Nightrose | food now - will try testing it later | 18:29 |
| jcastro | I'll let it bake in there for a while, get some feedback and push it up probably later in the day | 18:30 |
| * jcastro nods | 18:30 | |
| Arby | does anybody have an nvidia card and use kontact calendars regularly? | 18:39 |
| Arby | if so have you seen anything resembling bug 258611? | 18:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258611 in kdepim "Korganizer: Terrible delay in mouse action on calendar" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258611 | 18:39 |
| Arby | I can't reproduce it and no idea what might cause it | 18:40 |
| rgreening | software mouse rather than hardware? | 18:46 |
| rgreening | nm. just read the bug. bad description... lol | 18:47 |
| rgreening | Arby: I have intel vid here. Can't reproduce. Could it be related to compositing/shadows under KDE or Compiz? e.g. one of the plugins causing an issue? | 18:53 |
| Arby | rgreening: not sure about visual effects, I was wondering of it was an X or graphics problem but then other apps don't do it. | 18:54 |
| Arby | s/of/if | 18:54 |
| rgreening | Arby: It's still possible it's in other apps, just not as noticeable. I posted a comment anyway. Get some additional details from the reporters | 18:56 |
| Arby | thanks | 18:56 |
| rgreening | I have seen noticable slowdown on my intel with shadow/transparancy both enabled. I have disabled both, and it's all good. | 18:58 |
| rgreening | could be reasonable to assume they have these on and it could be part of the issue. | 18:58 |
| Arby | maybe I'm crediting the user with too much intelligence :) | 19:01 |
| Arby | I'd take it as a given to turn those off | 19:01 |
| rgreening | cardinal rule #1... | 19:06 |
| rgreening | ~facts about assume | 19:06 |
| kubotu | [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me' | 19:06 |
| rgreening | hah | 19:06 |
| Arby | heard it before :) | 19:10 |
| Arby | anybody know at what point ktimetracker replaced Karm? | 19:11 |
| Arby | start of 4.x? | 19:11 |
| rgreening | dunno | 19:11 |
| * Arby pokes around in launchpad | 19:12 | |
| Arby | seems to appear around 4.1 | 19:14 |
| jtechidna | that was when kdepim was introduced, so it makes sense | 19:15 |
| Arby | here's a fun one :) bug 198458 | 19:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 198458 in kdepim "Installing a network bridge broke kioslaves" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198458 | 19:23 |
| Arby | I'm with the user, where to start? | 19:23 |
| Arby | is that really kdepim's fault, and is it a KDE bug at all or should I blame virtualbox? | 19:24 |
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| a|wen | Arby: testing the same within a new virtualbox and see if it changes things could possibly discard kdepim if it works | 19:43 |
| Arby | a|wen: I have no idea how to configure the sort of network setup he describes | 19:44 |
| a|wen | Arby: oh ... it is a rather old bug also, so i would consider it reasonable to ask if the same thing happens when using hardy (or newer) as either host or guest or both | 19:47 |
| Arby | fair enough | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, the ping-and-hope-they-don't-respond trick works everytime! ;D | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | except when it doesn't, then, sucks to be the triager | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 19:52 |
| a|wen | luckily it is often fixed in the new version; and if it isn't SRU worthy you are done ... | 19:56 |
| Arby | JontheEchidna: I've done many bugs that way. | 19:58 |
| Arby | every triager learns it sooner or later :) | 19:58 |
| JontheEchidna | oh yes, KDE4 is great about not qualifying for an SRU :D | 19:58 |
| JontheEchidna | of course people get mad when they learn that KDE4 doesn't suck as much as their preconcieved peeves make it out to be | 19:59 |
| JontheEchidna | and then yell at you to fix it in KDE3 | 19:59 |
| Arby | a|wen: does bug 163737 sound like anything you've come across already? | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 163737 in kdepim "kaddressbook cannot connect to ldap server if it cannot verify the secure connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163737 | 20:00 |
| a|wen | Arby: nope, that's a new one ;) | 20:01 |
| Arby | this would be an example where the ping and hope trick fails then :) | 20:02 |
| Arby | a) I don't what ldap actually is, b) I have no means of testing it | 20:03 |
| * Arby looks in the wiki | 20:03 | |
| smarter | you don't what ldap is? you totally it! :P | 20:04 |
| a|wen | Arby: i would try testing agains another SSL/https remote resource ... is not unlikely a generic problem with not getting a popup for non-validated certificates | 20:04 |
| xerosis | I'm almost certain I have the same setup at work and I get the popup | 20:05 |
| Arby | smarter: in my world ldap is 'somebody elses problem' | 20:06 |
| Arby | until now | 20:06 |
| smarter | in my world, ldap is a boring acronym for something that looks boring :p | 20:06 |
| Arby | a|wen: thanks I can ask them to check that | 20:07 |
| a|wen | xerosis: is there a deny and "do not show this anymore" option? | 20:07 |
| xerosis | a|wen: I think there is | 20:08 |
| a|wen | Arby: then i might be, that they just hit that one ^^ | 20:09 |
| Arby | the thought did cross my mind | 20:09 |
| Arby | is there a way to undo that | 20:09 |
| Arby | ? | 20:09 |
| a|wen | Arby: it is probably stored in some file somewhere in the .kde directory | 20:10 |
| Arby | I thought it might be | 20:11 |
| * Arby digs a bit | 20:11 | |
| smarter | Arby: grep for "[Notification Messages]" in the *rc file of the app where you ticked the don't ask me anymore | 20:39 |
| Arby | smarter thanks for the hint, I suppose it would be kmail or kontact | 20:39 |
| Arby | nixternal: ping | 22:13 |
| Arby | nixternal: do you mind if I close bug 75416, reporter says bug is no longer present. | 22:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 75416 in kdepim "[kmail] doesn't display a signed message, where the key is unknown" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75416 | 22:13 |
| Arby | just trying to tidy up kdepim bugs and that one's assigned to you. | 22:14 |
| larsivi | Hi! | 22:31 |
| larsivi | will the upgrade from hardy to intrepid also migrate my mail accounts? | 22:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | larsivi: Hardy KDE3 or Hardy KDE4? | 22:32 |
| larsivi | ScottK-laptop: kde3 | 22:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes then. | 22:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | Quote of the day from my 14 year old that I helped upgrade to Intrepid yesterday: | 22:33 |
| larsivi | ok - that was the main reason for me not going for kde4 earlier | 22:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | "Dad, guess what? I figured out widgets. They are SO cool!" | 22:33 |
| larsivi | plus some kopete/xmpp issue ... | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: heh | 22:34 |
| Arby | plasma, kool for kids :) | 22:34 |
| Arby | sorry *whince* | 22:34 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: hehehe, nice | 22:35 |
| a|wen | widgets ARE cool ... /me just found the drag-and-drop of picture to generate picture frames with them :) | 22:38 |
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