[00:07] hugs to rgreening and a|wen for testing! [00:07] and whoever adder1972 is [00:07] Riddell: My 14 year old daughter is doing a dist-upgrade test for us. [00:08] hugs to ScottK-laptop's daughter! [00:08] Riddell: She could follow the instructions just fine and she's not very technical. [00:08] np. still doing more.. just waiting fer dl to complete on DVD and CD [00:08] gj Riddell on the clear/concide docs [00:09] * a|wen hugs rgreening, Riddell, ScottK-laptop's daughter :) [00:09] a|wen: You stay away from my daughter. [00:09] * ScottK-laptop doesn't allow that sort of thing. [00:09] ;-) [00:12] * a|wen is scout troop leader for kids that age ... they deserve a hug when they do something good :P [00:12] ScottK-laptop: and dist-upgrade testing surely is in that category :) [00:13] That's abusive parenting. Different issue. [00:13] haha [00:14] If launchpad is serving unsigned .dsc files, that's a problem, right? [00:14] Someone tell me if they see a gpg signature on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/spamassassin/3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1/+files/spamassassin_3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1.dsc [00:16] that looks pretty much like plaintext to me [00:16] OK. [00:17] at least it is sent over a SSL connection with proper certificates [00:19] Actually it isn't. [00:19] That link will redirect to launchpadlibrarian which is http. [00:20] oh ... that's bad then [00:20] * a|wen thinks he should be notified by that by kate [00:34] hmm; opening a http link from konversation doesn't work on a fresh 8.10 install ... after installing firefox opening links now works (they open in firefox) [00:41] how strange [00:42] Riddell: seems ScottK know it as well, bug 271598 [00:43] Launchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271598 [00:45] * NCommander needs someone to beat me [00:45] I broke KDE on lpia :-/ [00:46] ScottK, you floating around [00:47] wait [00:47] WOOO [00:47] Where die the cube effect go? [00:47] did [00:47] I'm not responsible for the kde4bindings FTBFS! [00:48] txwikinger2: patch was causing regressions so it was reverted [00:48] Ah [00:48] yeah :( [00:49] JontheEchidna, well, at least I determined I didn't break the lpia KDE (Soyuz did that on its own) [00:50] hehe [00:50] * Hobbsee glares at the uni [00:50] What's wrong with the Uni? [00:50] looks like they've put in a harder firewall [00:51] looks like they're only allowing 80, 443, and 22 only inside uni [00:51] A firewall is just an invitation for circumvention === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [00:52] that's true [00:52] Hobbsee: ssh -D is your friend then [00:52] but I can't even ping outside the uni... [00:52] well.. stopping ping is easy [00:53] a|wen: how exactly do I use that? [00:54] Hobbsee: "ssh -D 8080 example.com" ... you now have a socks proxy on localhost:8080 through your ssh-connection [00:54] you can also an ajax ssh aplication [00:55] run [00:55] a|wen: but, what port do i use to get into the example? [00:55] the one that goes through the Uni proxy [00:55] so 80 or 443. right. [00:56] Or are you saying that they allow no surfing outside the uni anymore? [00:56] Hobbsee: start by issuing the command (replacing example.com with whatever your server outside uni is called) ... now open interned settings, tick socks proxy and write "localhost:8080" [00:57] s/interned/internet/ [00:57] txwikinger: they only do on 80 and 443. [00:58] Hobbsee: oh ... the ssh -D only solves your problem if port 22 is open [00:58] a|wen: that's what I thought. [00:58] Well, you need to have a server outside that runs sshd on port 80 [00:59] or 443 [00:59] that's how I did it before [00:59] or that has a firewall that does the reverse translation [00:59] txwikinger: do i need to do anything special if i put it on 443? [01:00] No [01:00] You can configure sshd on any port [01:00] As usual, only root can allocate ports <1000 [01:00] but that is the same as 22 [01:01] still no dice. [01:01] debug1: Connecting to hobbsee.com [64.62.190.244] port 443. [01:02] what is running on that port on hobbsee.com? [01:03] txwikinger: sshd, it should be. [01:03] and you do ssh -p 443 @hobbsee.com ? [01:04] txwikinger: yes [01:04] well.. that should usually work [01:04] that's what I would have thought. [01:04] Hobbsee: you changed /etc/ssh/sshd_config and not /etc/ssh/ssh_config right? [01:05] a|wen: yes. [01:05] and restarted it [01:05] yees [01:05] :) [01:05] :) [01:06] oh, i suck. [01:06] Am I allowed to test it with my sniffer on? [01:06] * txwikinger does not ping other peoples machines without permission [01:06] * Hobbsee pokes a hole in the firewall [01:10] i win. Thanks guys! [01:10] you are welcome [01:11] so I can tunnel over 443. [01:11] ahhh, nice konversation :) [01:12] no problem [01:12] for future reference, sudo ssh -p443 -fND 3456 user@host.com works. [01:13] :) [01:14] * Hobbsee has an evil thought [01:14] now that i've proxied out...perhaps time to rsync the iso's again? :) [01:15] Hehe [01:15] remember it should be the dvd iso ;) [01:16] how goes things Hobbsee [01:16] NCommander: well, now thta i've managed to poke a hole thru the arcane uni firewall, which has got even *more* restricted before, pretty good. [01:17] no more testing for me now ... goodnight everyone [01:19] nite [01:19] :) [01:19] o/ rgreening [01:20] 'lo [01:20] :P [01:21] why :p? [01:22] no reason. just being funny .. [01:22] Ah :) [01:22] \o [01:23] * rgreening is giving his hard drive a workout installing/testing these iso's [01:24] anyone got any windows machines? wubi needs testing [01:24] * txwikinger wonders what a windows machine is :) [01:24] * txwikinger has only one laptop atm [01:25] * rgreening windows free since '93 [01:25] :) [01:25] Where is MooDoo when you need him [01:25] probably sleeping [01:27] 2.7 of 3.6 Gig dl of DVD... [01:27] * txwikinger does not even try that [01:27] lol [01:27] I have only 50kB/s atm [01:28] 8Mbps at home (Cable Internet) [01:28] It is cable here too [01:28] 500kbps or so [01:29] I need to get my own place again :D [01:29] I'm gettin 300-400KB on the DVD [01:30] I think you can get mobile Internet here with 2Mbps [01:30] that not bad [01:30] and fixed up to 18Mbps or so [03:26] oi, got a presentation on saturday introducing ibex to chicago...there is a lot of info on Ubuntu 8.10, but not for Kubuntu 8.10 [03:26] GNOME does much better marketing oriented release notes than KDE does I noticed [03:26] heh [03:27] we need writers/marketing doods [03:32] I am one of the writers, but I think the marketing people control the release notes [03:32] remember, devs != marketers...that's the problem with FLOSS [03:51] * rgreening should have said weneed ""more"" [03:51] :) [03:59] hehe [03:59] "Ubuntu Cruft Cleaner - Now 98% more efficient" [04:03] my head asplode [04:06] :) [04:06] * rgreening still testing iso's... iso sore... [04:17] * ScottK-laptop finally got the kid's computer booted in Intrepid. [04:17] Thanks NCommander. [04:17] ScottK-laptop, I highly recommend you never turn that machine off :-P [04:17] Of course I had to cannabalize the LCD monitor from my wife's computer to do it. [04:18] Yeah, well never ship a new kernel and I'll never reboot it. [04:18] So I cranked the resolution down. Now I'll switch back. [04:19] rofl [04:19] You promised me a boot option to fix this .... [04:20] possible [04:20] I don't know of any offhand [04:21] OK, well I either plugged the monitor back in or bent a bunch of pins. I'll know in a minute [04:22] NCommander: There's a BIOS option for hard disk pre-delay. Does cranking that up help here? [04:25] And how is it usplash knows enough to determine the right display mode, but X doesn't? [04:27] It's back to display out of range again after the reboot. [04:27] * ScottK-laptop reads man xrandr [04:30] Urgh [04:31] xrandr only works when you're in the running X session. [04:31] * ScottK-laptop is running short on ideas. [04:35] NCommander: Monitor specs say Max Resolution - 1600 x 1200 / 75 Hz [04:37] ScottK, it reads it from a config file [04:37] ScottK, you might need to manually hack your xorg file [04:37] Urgh. [04:37] But I don wanna [04:39] Once it boots again I'll look through the old ones and see if anything seems appealing. [04:39] * NCommander nods [04:40] ScottK-laptop: boot into safe mode, go into system settings, and then advanced, and then services...uncheck that randr crap [04:40] You probably need to set the resolution [04:40] that fixed my issues this week [04:40] krandr == shit [04:40] nixternal: What did you install instead? [04:40] I just disabled randr monitor checking in system settings and my monitor came back to life [04:40] intel vid cards rule in Linux [04:40] that they do :) [04:41] never an issuew 4 me [04:41] rgreening: That's what I've got. [04:41] I had one, but that was a krandr issue [04:41] bizarre [04:41] amy xorg error [04:41] krandr couldn't configure itself to save its own ass [04:41] nixternal: I can't get into a kdm session to do that without switching monitors. [04:42] rgreening: I've been throught reconfiguring [04:42] ScottK-laptop: you can't even set a bogus modeline in xorg.conf to let you in? [04:42] oh, is it a855 gm or older? [04:42] D945 [04:42] hmm.. should auto fine [04:43] ScottK-laptop: grep 'kcmrandrrc_display_applyonstartup' ~/.kde/share/config [04:43] does it return true or false? [04:43] Auto's fine with the LCD off my wife's computer. Not with the monitor that's normally on it. [04:43] nixternal: Will check [04:43] oh..nthatd edid [04:43] yowsers, what does that say? :) [04:43] thats edid probing. disable it [04:44] nixternal: False [04:44] hrmm [04:45] Tomb Raider Anniversary rox... oh Laura... [04:46] Well none of the old xorg.conf's laying around do anything other than specif keyboard. [04:47] specif/specify [04:48] see if the kcmrandrrc [Screen...] lines are commented out in ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig [04:49] it is one of them damn randr settings..has to be [04:49] mine are commented out in startupconfig....if that doesn't help, then boot up with the lcd and then try disabling that setting in system settings (re: my blog for details as well) [04:49] those are all commented out [04:49] * nixternal crashes [04:49] lovely [04:51] ooh, ScottK-laptop try killing kded4 and then trying [04:51] Switching to the LCD now. [04:51] oh :) [04:52] alrighty, good luck on that...I am going to bed...have a stupid awards banquet to go to tomorrow night [04:52] Bah. [04:52] Sleep is for the weak. [04:52] 42in Laura Croft oh my [04:52] that it is, and I am damn weak [05:36] did kubuntu update their xv video driver recently? cause when i play video on dragon player, it show black spots all over it === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx [09:32] Riddell: you know the wubi install that failed was that on you intel gfx system? [09:35] davmor2: no, ati machine [09:35] davmor2: have you tried it? [09:40] davmor2: it's very likely down to the lack of disk space, but I need someone to confirm that === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [10:34] nixternal: lastfm tells me you're listening to severed fifth :) [10:53] kwwii: seen http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=88 ? [10:59] Riddell: that is somewhat silly [10:59] picking certain icons which just so happen to fit is not reality either [10:59] and how many large tango icons are there? and why are they not in the same theme? [10:59] I could go on and on [11:00] seems like andreas is trying to justify his fear away [11:26] Riddell: always listening to severed fifth :) [11:27] just updated rockbox on my sansa, uploading my new tunes...getting ready for a busy day at work [11:51] hmm.. can you guys start gwenview by clicking on an icon? [11:52] "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/gwenview'" [11:53] it looks like gwenview is in /usr/bin/ [12:15] jcastro: http://pastebin.com/m46404696 <- wanted to give gwibber a try :/ [12:17] lol. no svg [12:33] ~topic [12:33] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help topic' [12:33] kubotu: help topic [12:33] topic add(at)|prepend|del(ete)|replace|sep(arator)|learn|restore|clear|set|undo: manipulate the topic of the current channel; use topic <#channel> for private addressing [12:35] ~topic set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" [12:35] rgreening, you don't have 'topic' permissions here [12:35] dam [12:35] lol [12:35] Riddell/apachelogger... I though someone said we weren't elitist .. lol [12:36] :) [12:38] * Hobbsee wonders what was wrong with /topic [12:42] rgreening: That's just the bot discriminating. You can change it as Hobbsee says. [12:42] oh. lol === rgreening changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" [12:42] ah-hah [12:42] ty. [12:42] :) [12:42] Now, in return, please fix my kernel problems ... [12:42] * rgreening hugs hobbsee [12:43] * rgreening slaps ScottK [12:43] * rgreening ducks [12:43] ScottK: what kernel prob [12:43] Fortunately I'm over here. [12:44] codeweavers is taking a pounding today... [12:44] This is my kernel problem: bug 267295 [12:44] Launchpad bug 267295 in linux "2.6.27-2.3 fails to boot on Compaq Presario S6010V: " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267295 [12:44] looking.. === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [12:46] Mine is Bug 290153 [12:46] Launchpad bug 290153 in linux-meta "Fails to find boot device in Intel D945Gnt (with Jmicron ATA controller)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290153 [12:46] Looks like I put it on the wrong package though. [12:47] * Hobbsee hugs rgreening back :) [12:48] o/ [12:48] Hi! I am at Kubuntu 8.10 RC+, and I remember that in the Kubuntu wiki was wrote: Kubuntu 8.10 will come with KPackageKit, but it comes with Adept. Why? [12:50] usr: nobody said it would come with kpackagekit, at most it was said that we would look in to using it [12:50] IIRC it's available if one wants it. [12:50] yeah, that's true too [12:51] ok, JontheEchidna. Thank you :-) [12:51] usr: Ah, you have mailed me right? [12:51] yes, mornfall [12:52] .kde only gets touched if a user has logged in, so if I'm going to revert to Hardy, the only user that's screwed is the one I've used, right? [12:52] JontheEchidna: your bug. could be a pci routing issue. have you tried moving the card to a different slot or enabling some of the apic/pci work-arounds...simply disabling the pci card seems to point in that direction. especially the preempt crash line. If the pci code is hung up, preemp could crash (I think) [12:53] ScottK-laptop: should be correct. yep [12:53] Thanks. [12:53] np. looking at your bug now... [12:53] Thanks. [12:53] usr: Well, to reply here -- I'm not interested in PackageKit. I find it to be fundamentally flawed and I don't want to throw any time on it. [12:54] Yes, people are trying to come up with ways to make things like searching through slow, crappy dbus interfaces work, but that's something I'd just rather avoid. [12:54] * rgreening hugs mornfall * thanks for all the work on Adept * +++++mornfall === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" [12:54] well tell me how you really feel about it :) [12:54] * JontheEchidna wonders how "set" got in the chan topic [12:54] * rgreening hides... [12:55] :P [12:55] JontheEchidna: my fault [12:55] lol [12:55] diff between ~topic and /topic... never removed the "set" from ~topic command [12:56] ScottK-laptop: did this only happen once? or every boot? [12:57] Every boot [12:57] Except if I boot a hardy live CD, it's fine [12:57] Intrepid live CD has the same problem. [12:57] strange brew indeed [12:57] yeah. [12:58] is it a SATA I or II drive [13:00] do you have raid or lvm or encryption? or just regular ext3 [13:00] ScottK: ^ [13:00] SATA I I'm pretty sure (it's ~almost 2 years old. [13:01] Regular ext3 [13:01] lots seem to have the issue, but all with lvm/raid [13:01] ok, mornfall: thank you you for your answer. Adept 2.0 was slow, but 3.0 is very good, their search filter is very fast. Now it is even faster than synaptic. I think that you are doing a great work with Adept 3.0. [13:01] rgreening: If you remember the Intel boards that wouldn't work in Linux for a while because Intel planned to ship with no ATA at all and slapped a Jmicron ATA controller on at the last minute? [13:01] This is one of those. [13:01] lol [13:02] check the old hardy kernel and see if a patch existed for it. maybe it wasn't applied for the new tree... and should be [13:03] OK. Got network. [13:03] Actually it was an issue back in Gutsy, IIRC. In Hardy it's fine. [13:04] mornfall: thank yo [13:04] [13:04] thanks for giving us a better alternative to synaptic [13:04] ScottK-laptop: I wonder if jmicron module isn't in initramfs. can you see if it is? [13:05] Glad to be of help. [13:05] ScottK-laptop: or isn't loading... [13:05] rgreening: It's the SATA one it can't find. [13:05] It's a timing issue somehow because if I wait a minute or two and exit initramfs, the boot is fine. [13:06] yeah, cause something is probing and forcing the right module ot load. might need to force it manually/sooner... or add a rootdelay [13:07] OK. If rootdelay does what it sounds like, that sounds workable. [13:07] try rootdelay=40 on kernel line [13:07] from bug 278176 [13:07] Launchpad bug 278176 in mdadm "Intrepid ubuntu server won't boot RAID1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278176 [13:09] ScottK-laptop: maybe we should add rootdelay to the failsafe kernel line for future... [13:10] OK. [13:10] let me know if it works... [13:10] I'd appreciate it if a German speaker would look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/11004 and see if maybe it's relevant to my problem. [13:12] It's been a long time since I had to look at menu.lst [13:13] ScottK-laptop: I looked over that bug... I didn't see anything that stood out... [13:14] OK. Thanks. It was one of the very few hits on D945 [13:14] but I dun speak it... just looked for the commands, errors and other english bits to decipher... [13:14] :) [13:15] So where do I put rootdelay? [13:15] rebooting? [13:15] ah, on the kernel line. try before the quiet [13:15] OK [13:15] * rgreening crosses fingers [13:16] * ScottK-laptop reboots [13:19] Nope [13:19] dam [13:19] I even crossed my toes [13:20] and eyes [13:20] :) [13:20] * ScottK-laptop will try 300 just to see if the idea is feasible. [13:21] lol [13:21] go spartans go... [13:23] Got network automatically on that boot, so that problem is solved. [13:23] 30 worked? [13:23] 300? [13:24] if so, try 60. I think that was one of the suggestions in that bug I ref'd [13:24] Waiting now. [13:24] BIOS takes a LONG time on this box. [13:25] brb [13:25] Intel D945 was not a good choice. [13:27] rgreening: 300 worked [13:29] * ScottK-laptop tries 60 [13:33] Nope [13:33] hehe [13:34] ok, so, SATA or jmicron module is loaded to late... which is why a longer delay is required,.,. [13:35] at least you have a work around, just need to report to initramfs dev to look at [13:36] So it's an initramfs bug and not a kernel bug? [13:36] rgreening: ^^ [13:37] * ScottK-laptop tries 90 [13:37] ScottK-laptop: I would suggest... [13:37] You suggest it's an initramfs bug? [13:37] possibly. Try an older initramfs and do the update-initramfs -u with an older one and see if it works. [13:38] Seems scary. [13:38] :) [13:38] but we devs deal in scary all the time [13:38] and its halloween [13:40] I think for this morning, I'll be happy with rootdelay= some right number. [13:41] * ScottK-laptop hands NCommander some rootdelay= [13:41] rgreening: 90 works. Thanks for the help. [13:42] ScottK-laptop: np [13:42] Ah, so that was it [13:42] update the bug and assign initramsf to it. [13:42] OK. Well it's a work around. [13:42] see if they can reason why the delay is necessary [13:42] I'm also going to release note it. [13:43] don't send money, just crispy cream donuts... their icing is crack [13:44] yeah. [13:48] rgreening: What package does initramfs live in? [13:49] Busybox? [13:49] 1 se c [13:49] yes [13:49] Thanks [13:51] dpkg -L busybox-initramfs [13:51] I think that's the correct one. [13:56] ScottK-laptop: might want to add initramfs-tools too [13:57] I started there. That one doesn't exist in Intrepid. [13:57] what? [13:57] dpkg -S initramfs-tools [13:58] rgreening: we are not, kubotu is [13:59] rgreening: Nevermind. I can't use Launchpad. But we all knew that. [13:59] lol [14:03] ScottK-laptop: anything in /etc/modprobe.d/initramfs [14:03] * ScottK-laptop looks [14:03] File doesn't exist [14:03] ok. nothing blacklisted [14:04] I think the problem is initramfs-tools on further looking. [14:05] OK. Added that one. [14:05] Eventually something will stick. [14:05] lol [14:06] * ScottK-laptop moves on to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration [14:06] * rgreening thinks ScottK-laptop needs to download an older initramfs-tools and update with that one [14:08] * jjesse is glad his upgrade to intrepid was as painful [14:09] rgreening: It boots. I'm happy. Currently it only displays with the LCD off my wife's computer. She gets back in town tomorrow ... [14:09] JontheEchidna: you should fix your HTML engine [14:09] I never seem to have any reall problems (other than the wireless hiccups during alpha) [14:09] This is the first time in a long time I've had any trouble. [14:09] ScottK-laptop: :) [14:10] ScottK-laptop: do you get and .xsession-errors or kdm.log or Xorg.0.log with an indication of what is detected/failed? [14:10] you should pastebin them for me... I'll look [14:10] Just starting to look. OK. [14:12] I'm multiplying [14:13] or cloning yourself? [14:14] Riddell: in the OEM GUI install, should we not link the Add/Remove or Adept in the folderview? and maybe have a quickstart readme on how OEM's can install/customize/brand (or a link to such docs)? Too late for Intrepid, but what about Jaunty [14:15] rgreening: propose a blueprint? [14:16] yeah, will likely do that. I need to know what currently exists for OEM's. Then I'll gladly do up a spec. [14:18] I think my problem is that the graphics card will do more than the monitor and X is auto configuring based on just the card. [14:24] ryanakca: can we somehow get rid of the sidebar for the release news? [14:24] looks pretty supid [14:25] maybe create a special content type and do some magic stuff to not display the left region for that type at all? [14:26] apachelogger: on the left side? What would happen if a user thinks ``Oh, this is really cool, I want it'' while reading the release news but can't find the prominent download button [14:26] then we add a download button [14:27] rgreening: seems sensible [14:29] apachelogger: ok. and, got carried away with other things, before I stick on the planet, any objections to http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/uncategorized/13 ? [14:30] ryanakca: 404 is a bit 404 :P [14:31] apachelogger: gah, *unticks the private box*... try again [14:31] hm [14:32] ryanakca: you are aware that we will end up with loads of nerdwork? ;-) [14:32] ryanakca: looking good otherwise [14:32] JontheEchidna: the news needs some structure [14:33] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release [14:33] Riddell: should I blueprint this up? A more fleshed out OEM spec... and is there any OEM docs out there for Kubuntu (or Ubuntu)? [14:33] apachelogger: yes. doesn't mean we need to take it all, and if they use [Kubuntu Intrepid], it's good advertising :) [14:34] ryanakca: I doubt the advertisyness of nerdwork :P [14:34] * apachelogger has a unique POV on nerdwork vs. artwork anyway [14:36] how do you add a screenshot to a wiki? never uploaded an image before [14:36]