[00:05] <l3d> yrjokin : when stuff like that happens I restart the computer and all is fine after that
[00:06] <yrjokin> l3d: I did - though thanks for replying
[00:09] <LjL> yrjokin, l3d: actually, "killall ktorrent" would be much less intrusive than rebooting...
[00:11] <yrjokin> I'd always knew there was a way to kill a process without findinng the id number - thankx
[00:22] <l3d> I used the sys monitor to kill the process
[00:25] <MellowDude> is Urban Terror a good game
[00:25] <l3d> of course I dont know what kubuntu has as far as that
[00:25] <l3d> idk never played it
[00:26] <MellowDude> i ahve seen it on getdeb.net
[00:26] <MellowDude> i was jsut wondering
[00:26] <l3d> ufo Alien Invasion is good
[00:27] <MellowDude> what platfourm it use
[00:27] <l3d> ubuntu?
[00:28] <MellowDude> i know that
[00:28] <MellowDude> lol
[00:28] <l3d> lol
[00:28] <MellowDude> nvm
[00:28] <yrjokin> are there any good games for linux? I tried my windows games but they won't work through wine
[00:28] <Guest21434> spanish?
[00:29] <MellowDude> Urban Terror is Quake III Arena platfourm
[00:29] <MellowDude> but dont ahve to have Quake III Arena to play it
[00:29] <l3d> http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php?license=free
[00:30] <l3d> http://linuxappfinder.com/games    these are some of the links i found helpful
[00:34] <mneptok> Savage is pretty good
[00:34] <mneptok> Enemy Territory
[00:35] <ArkoldThos> starcraft owns <3 use wine
[00:36] <l3d> I lioke the console based games like crawl
[00:36] <l3d> -o in like
[00:38] <yotux> If I want to install onto a USB drive what do I need to download?
[00:41] <dr_willis> You want a Live-cd on a usb drive?
[00:41] <dr_willis> The unetbootin tool lets you  take a .iso file and create  a bootable usb thumb drive.
[00:42] <yotux> I want to have  bootable usb Drive
[00:43] <yotux> I would not mind using the alterive install via usb either not sure that my options are
[00:43] <dr_willis> The alternative cd will also work with unetbootin
[00:43] <yotux> dr_wills-  I will google the app that you are talking about to read doc
[00:44] <yrjokin> l3d: the consoles are the best and I never thought about PC games until I got company of heroes - advanced warfighter II and rainbow 6
[00:44] <dr_willis> The live cd turns your thumbdrive into a 'boot to the desktop' type system.. the alt-cd - is basicially a install only type of thumbdrive then.
[00:44] <yrjokin> l3d:  these sites are good - nice one\
[00:44] <yotux> I prefer to use alt cd's to install most of the time
[00:44] <yotux> KDE4 is pretty nice moving from Gnome to KDE
[00:45] <dr_willis> The Bootable Thumbdrive is handy for a rescue tool
[00:45] <dr_willis> Im moving from KDE4 to gnome.. :) it seems.
[00:45] <yotux> I have a few extras may I will make to
[00:45] <yrjokin> KDE is going to windows I read
[00:45] <dr_willis> the KDE4  stuff is supposed to be in the process of getting ported to windows yes.. ive not seen any of it done yet however.
[00:46] <dr_willis> 'on the todo list' i imagine
[00:46] <yotux> I use XFCE on one of my older machines
[00:47] <yrjokin> yeah - it just said 'windows users may want to wait as KDE is coming soon' this was on KDEs education pages
[00:47] <yotux> not sure if that is a good thing or not
[00:48] <yotux> dr_wills what is turning you off about KDE
[00:49] <dr_willis> KDE4 is so sluggish ion my laptop its not very useable.. and theres tons of video glitz in it.. and i dont see any new features it has that i really need.
[00:49] <dr_willis> perhaps i will try it again in a few months..
[00:50] <yotux> thankz I noticed a flash issue in the broswer
[00:51] <dr_willis> i have not noticed any flash issue. :)
[00:53] <yrjokin> don't like all the widgets and stuff - going for the fact that that is what windows and mac users are raving about
[00:54] <dr_willis> I find most all the desk applets - to be basicially useless eye candy.. that i could do without..
[00:54] <dr_willis> the few that are handy.. are always covered up...
[00:54] <yrjokin> exactly
[00:55] <dr_willis> Give me the old WIndowmaker dock apps that i could see.. and stayed tidy
[00:55] <dr_willis> Just wait - in 6 mo, there will be 10000000+ useless widgets for kde4. :) each one is jsut a tweak of  1000 other tweaks  of other widgets
[00:56] <yrjokin> and that was available before because I had them (forget the name now - samba?)
[00:56] <media> hi
[00:56] <yrjokin> i like the dock on compiz
[00:56] <yrjokin> and that other one (not good with names lol)
[00:56] <media> is there any prg woho
[00:56] <media> who can voice chat
[00:57] <media> on ubuntu
[00:57] <dr_willis> well kde4 and compiz are sort of going their own directons in things.. :) ive heard some bad things about trying to use the 2 together..  but i dont care much for compiz either.
[00:57] <dr_willis> media,  skype can. proberly others...
[00:57] <dr_willis> !im
[00:57] <dr_willis> teamspeak can. :)
[00:57] <media> thx willis
[00:58] <media> under ubuntu to?
[00:59] <dr_willis> ubujtu and kubuntu use the same repos/programs/ :) so yes.. anything under ubuntu should work on kubuntu
[00:59] <media> ok
[00:59] <zer0> mmm
[01:00] <Guest30950> donde me meti?
[01:04] <yrjokin> good night all
[01:04] <ardchoille> Guest30950: Espanol?
[01:05] <ardchoille> !es
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> help! my SO's printer, on a Kubuntu machine, stopped working. It connects via IPP to a USB printer on my Ubuntu machine. The only thing I can think is the kernel and cupssys updates that just ran...?
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> oops, sorry, both kubuntu machines.
[01:27] <reagleBRKLN> [27/Oct/2008:21:24:40 -0400] "POST /printers/ML-2010 HTTP/1.1" 200 817211 Print-Job client-error-not-authorized
[01:27] <reagleBRKLN> is what the access log now says
[01:46] <radams> How do I allow Kopete to use the KDE wallet without having to enter my password each time I open it?
[01:57] <Guest61077> does anyone know how to get yahoo streaming on kubuntu?
[01:57] <Guest61077> streaming music
[01:57] <reagleBRKLN> can anyone point me to a definitive guide on how to simply share a printer on one kubuntu machine to another?
[01:58] <BluesKaj> run the print wizard in sytem settings
[02:08] <spragie> are the things in disk & file system settings logged?
[02:16] <spragie> anyone there?
[02:32]  * jmichaelx cries at the thought of having to leave kde3.5 behind
[02:32] <ushdf> i'm on fluxbox
[02:32] <ushdf> tell me more about kde
[02:33] <ushdf> why is kubuntu a fork of ubuntu
[02:33] <etfb> jmichaelx: Is KDE 4 standard in Intrepid, then?  One more reason to stick with Hardy, I think.  They really bollixed up that version release, didn't they?
[02:33] <ushdf> it's verbal pollution
[02:33] <etfb> ushdf: I don't think Kubuntu counts as a fork, not like XEmacs vs Emacs.
[02:33] <ushdf> i should call the EPA or
[02:34] <ushdf> Escalating Pervertivitisveism Agency
[02:34] <ushdf> of the mind, and
[02:34] <ushdf> also several body parts
[02:35]  * ushdf takes out a harmonica
[02:35]  * etfb thinks ushdf *almost* makes enough sense to be a human being, or perhaps a very clever bot.
[02:35] <ushdf> the epa killed my dreams ./'
[02:35]  * etfb is rapidly changing his mind though...
[02:35]  * ushdf dies
[02:38] <Guest61077> can someone tell me why i cant install firefox without istalling most of gnome too?
[02:38] <Psychoholic> i'm having this problem with my monitor it has these vertical line that keep going down it and i have noticed that when it boot for a few seconds it says "Out of Range"..
[02:38] <Psychoholic> the lines cant really be seen that well only on dark backing and letters
[02:38] <jmichaelx> etfb: yes, kde4 is what will come with intrepid. kde3.5 will no longer be in the repos.
[02:39] <etfb> jmichaelx: Ewww.
[02:39] <jmichaelx> which is why i think i am switching to Lenny
[02:39] <etfb> jmichaelx: Debian?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> yeah
[02:39] <jmichaelx> they are sticking with 3.5 for the next while
[02:40] <etfb> jmichaelx: Given that Hardy is LTS, why bother upgrading at all?
[02:40] <jmichaelx> staying with hardy would be an option, but i think i am ready to move on
[02:41] <etfb> Guest61077: Firefox is a GTK app.  Why worry about installing the underpinnings?  You don't want to limit yourself just to KDE apps if you can help it.
[02:41] <jmichaelx> i have wondered whether or not i would need to re-install my virtualbox OS's if i switched to debian
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i assume so
[02:42] <etfb> jmichaelx: I upgrade every six months, about two months after the release.  Maybe KDE4 will be usable by December, but if not I'm happy where I am.  It's not like anything will go mouldy.
  thants seems a pretty big downfall for kde
[02:42] <etfb> Guest61077: I wouldn't want to rule out KDE apps if I were using Gnome either.  How small is your hard disk that you're worried about a couple of hundred megabytes at most of extra libs?
[02:43] <jmichaelx> etfb: kde4 will not have the stability or the functionality of kde3 for a few years
 it break my machine
[02:43] <etfb> jmichaelx: How is it for backward compat?  Last I heard there was no KDE4 Amarok; can you still use the 3.5 one?
 ive had to reformat 3 times because i tried that
[02:44] <etfb> Guest61077: Suspicious.  I'd be looking for another explanation.
[02:44] <jmichaelx> etfb: yeah, apps like amarok will still be there. its development is not tied directly to the development of the larger KDE project, hence the different version numbering system (at least so i understand it)
[02:45] <jmichaelx> but, amarok2 will likely be out sometime during intrepid's lifespan
 ended up with 200 instances and increasing of scim
[02:45] <Guest61077> from nothing else than installinf firefox
[02:45] <etfb> jmichaelx: I wish I had a spare machine so I could test it out before committing. Testing a distro inside a VM is not exactly ideal...
[02:45] <etfb> Guest61077: scim?
[02:46] <mendelbot> One of these days I have to figure out how to use this terminal business.
[02:46] <jmichaelx> that isn't a problem i have. i have 5 PC's just at this desk :-D
 ill download firefox real quick and past the crash
 is there a way to back everything up so i can restor my system after this
some sort of imaging software
[02:47] <mendelbot> I have a quick and foolish question: How do I run the kubuntu gui when I start up?  Apparently there was a crash, and I can't figure out how to open it.
[02:48] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: what are you using right now?
[02:48] <mendelbot> Windows.  I kept a partition with it installed in cases like these.
[02:48] <jmichaelx> ahh
[02:48] <dennister> hey all, having trouble installing 8.04.1 onto a wd200bb drive...the livecd just doesn't detect it, although bios does. So i tried the mini.iso, and it's asking me which driver to use? I have no idea? long list ...and googling tells me its a common problem since breezy and dapper...but there's no fix i can find
[02:48] <etfb> Guest61077: For that sort of testing, a VM is good, but if your problem is caused by hardware then the VM won't have the original problem, so that's no use.
[02:49] <mendelbot> I'll be glad to get rid of windows for good, but apparently I'm not there yet. :)
[02:49] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: i assume you have already tried just rebooting and starting up a fresh kde session?
 vm?
[02:49] <etfb> Guest61077: I haven't heard of anything like Norton Ghost for Linux.  Good idea tho.
[02:50] <etfb> Guest61077: Complicated.  Never mind; wouldn't help anyway.
[02:50] <mendelbot> I don't know how to start up a kde session.  It just goes to the text interface, and I've spent about an hour trying to find some sort of file that I can type in quotes and run.
[02:50] <dennister> Guest61077: there's always partimage on the gentoo systemrescuecd
[02:50] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: ok, gotcha. what kind of video card do you have?
 is there a way to undo the install and its dependancies
[02:51] <dennister> anyone have any idea which driver to use for an older western digital hard drive?
[02:51] <dennister> so that the mini.iso install cd can detect the drive the way bios does?
[02:52] <mendelbot> It says under 'display adapters' that i have "Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family"
[02:52] <jmichaelx> hmm
[02:52] <mendelbot> Never caused a problem before
[02:52] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: you have run linux on this machine before?
[02:52] <faileas> dennister: usually its automagical. it should know what to etect
[02:52] <mendelbot> I've been using it fo few months now
[02:53] <faileas> mendelbot: thats a VERY common display adaptor. IIRC also known as the x3100
[02:53] <mendelbot> If it comes down to it, I suppose I could re-install, but I'm loath to delete all my files.
[02:53] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: and you have just suddenly started having problems with the GUI not starting up?
[02:53] <mendelbot> faileas, Yea, i think that sounds familiar
[02:53] <mendelbot> jmichaelx, Yea.  I haven't used this comuter for about a week.  Can't remember if there was any message when I shut down
[02:54] <faileas> mendelbot: i missed it.. wht was the problem?
[02:54] <mendelbot> It boots into the text-interface, and I don't know how to start up knoppix gui
[02:55] <faileas> knoppix? >_>
[02:55] <mendelbot> I hate to be a pain, but if you could point me to a place where i could find information.
[02:55] <faileas> starting up gui should be startx
[02:55] <mendelbot> startx..
[02:55] <mendelbot> okey dokey.
[02:55] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: you could try logging back into kubuntu and entering  'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[02:55] <dennister> faileas: i know, i've installed dozens of times, and this is the first time my hard drive isn't detected
[02:55] <faileas> not sure about the case. sadly for a linux user i suck at remembering that
[02:56] <faileas> dennister: and thats WIERD. i've installed kubuntu on a 13 GB wd drive, at least 9 years old ;p
[02:56] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: then reboot again, and see if that helps
[02:56] <mendelbot> Cool.
[02:56] <mendelbot> I really appreciate it.  i need to get my fundamentals down better
[02:56] <dennister> although this is the first time I've tried it on a caviar wd200 drive...i rebuild computers as a hobby
[02:56] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: i am not promising that will fix anything, but it would be the first thing i'd try
[02:57] <mendelbot> Well, I'll try that startx command first.
[02:57] <dennister> it's not the size that's the problem; it's the newer kernels slowly dropping ide detection
[02:57] <mendelbot> I'll be back hopefully.
[02:57] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: i dunno, if kdm i snot wanting to start for you, i have my doubts that startx will do anything for you either
[02:57] <jmichaelx> mendelbot: good luck'
[02:59] <jmichaelx> i would be shocked if anyone were intentionally dropping support for IDE drives in the kernel... there could, however, be a bug
[03:04] <dennister> jmichaelx: there is a bug...found it in my googling
[03:05] <jmichaelx> dennister: interesting. any mention of a workaround?
[03:05] <dennister> jmichaelx: not that I could understand, heheheh
[03:06] <jmichaelx> yeah, sometimes this stuff can be fairly cryptic
[03:07] <jordo2323> Does anyone know a ballpark date on when KDE 4 will be stable or any links to articles on it's progress?
[03:08] <jmichaelx> jordo2323: depends on what you call stable. it will likely be a few years before KDE4 is as stable as kde3.5.
[03:09] <jmichaelx> sadly (in my opinion, at least), intrepid has made the switch to kde4
[03:09] <jmichaelx> like fedora and others
[03:14] <dennister> anyway, i think i'll take the drive out and use one that I know works....struggle with this detection problems later at my leisure, when I have the time and am not working towards a user-pickup deadline
[03:56] <mot_> hey i have a question
[03:56] <mot_> i just installed the 8.10rc and then installed kde3.5.9 however even after a reboot it doesn't show up in the session menu in kdm
[03:56] <mot_> any ideas?
[03:59] <memeemeee> mot, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration may explain
[04:00] <memeemeee> mot_,  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration may explain
[04:00] <mot_> so
[04:00] <mot_> does that mean that it's not POSSIBLE to even use it?
[04:00] <mot_> i installed it, but i don't see it in kdm
[04:00] <memeemeee> that's how I read it
[04:00] <mot_> wtf
[04:01] <mot_> i don't like that there's just one big ugly box and no drag and drop for the desktop
[04:01] <mot_> if 4.1 had that it would be great.
[04:02] <memeemeee> "8.04 still has approximately a year of (security) updates left. While it is uncertain if there will be any future KDE 3 releases, 8.04 and KDE 3.5 are quite stable so continuing to use that until its end-of-life arrives is feasible. By then Kubuntu developers will be working on our third KDE 4-based release. "
[04:02] <memeemeee> in other words, if you don't like KDE4 don't switch to Ibex
[04:02] <mot_> i like kde4 i just don't think it's fully usable to the point of cutting off 3.5.9 support.
[04:02] <mot_> just my opinion, though.
[04:03] <memeemeee> I whole heartedly agree
[04:03] <mot_> the fonts look extra large and weird, i installed xfontscore-base and msttfontscore
[04:03] <mot_> any other suggestions?
[04:04] <memeemeee> no idea
[04:09] <kubuntu_> hello
[04:10] <kubuntu_> wondering if anyone here is running 8.10 and could offer some help installing firefox
[04:10] <kubuntu_> I search in adept for 'firefox' and all results don't seem to look right
[04:11] <kubuntu_> apt-get install firefox wants to install 110 megs of data and apt-get install mozilla-firefox doesn't look right either
[04:11] <memeemeee> !ibex
[04:11] <corigo> Can anyone tell me the command line for tracing a rout in Linux?
[04:12] <corigo> route that is
[04:12] <_2> kubuntu_ 110m   sounds about right.
[04:12] <_2> ff is bloat city
[04:12] <corigo> Opera is keen
[04:12] <_2> tracepath   traceroute   and use tab completion
[04:15] <memeemeee> yes. but problem is Opera doesn't have rssTicker
[04:17] <corigo> I find the RSS reader sufficient, but would love a Widget like rssTicker, if you're a developer...
[04:18] <memeemeee> I too would love that.
[04:18] <dennister> well, that was wild...internet connection just died all of a sudden
[04:19] <memeemeee> I've been having that problem on my desktop
[04:20] <memeemeee> what was your solution dennister ?
[04:20] <dennister> rebooted the modem :)
[04:20] <dennister> now i'm just hoping my installation will resume...
[04:20] <zachin2036> hello all
[04:20] <memeemeee> oh. not my problem
[04:21] <dennister> at first i thought it was a netsplit, but I haven't had any of those in ages
[04:21] <memeemeee>  my /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't seem to be working for me
[04:21] <memeemeee> hello zachin2036
[04:22] <zachin2036> hi memeemeee
[04:22] <zachin2036> whenever you guys have time to take in a newbie, I think I might be a good project for you :
[04:23] <zachin2036> :|
[04:23] <memeemeee> ?
[04:23] <dennister> nope, starting the minimal install all over again...had been stuck at 6% for way too long even after eth0 got a new link
[04:23] <dennister> zachin2036: what's your problem/goal?
[04:24] <dennister> do you have a question for this support channel?
[04:24] <zachin2036> dennister - well, I'm a WinXP user
[04:24] <zachin2036> I know, I know...I'll pause for boos ;)
[04:24] <dennister> zachin2036: no boos from me, welcome to the better way :)
[04:25] <zachin2036> and I got a nasty virus and the easiest thing I can think of is to boot a linux distro off of a CD or flash drive and backup all of my old files through linux - as to not awaken the nasty Windows virus
[04:25] <memeemeee> welcome indeed zachin2036
[04:25] <zachin2036> first off - does that sound like a good idea?  haha
[04:26] <dennister> zachin2036: yes it is, but those files may be infected too, so when you reinstall them, you'll reinstall the virus
[04:26] <zachin2036> I figure that the best way to not run my registry and have the virus continue replicating is to treat that hard drive as a data drive, not a boot drive
[04:27] <dennister> do you intend to reinstall xp again?
[04:27] <zachin2036> well, I'm really just going to pull off DOCs, MP3s, movie files and stuff like that - my virus infects EXEs and SCRs - those I'm going to baptize in the repartitioning flame
[04:27] <memeemeee> no need for that zachin2036
[04:28] <zachin2036> haha, if I tell you I intend to reinstall XP, do I lose my linux support from you guys? ;)
[04:28] <memeemeee> no. but why would you?
[04:28] <zachin2036> I might want to dual boot...I've been meaning to play around with linux, but I still need Windows for work purposes
[04:29] <dennister> lol...no, good idea...but it's best to try and get rid of the virus first, before moving user files to safety
[04:30] <dennister> otherwise, you'll end up bringing viruses to your work, through those work files
[04:30] <zachin2036> from what I've read, the virus can't be cleaned...it's a variant of Virut
[04:30] <zachin2036> well, that and CTX - came together in a downloaded file
[04:31] <zachin2036> evidently once they autorun in windows, they infect any EXE that executes
[04:32] <jwaldo> daaamn
[04:32] <jwaldo> now I'll never sleep well as long as Windows is here in the room
[04:32] <memeemeee> brutal
[04:33] <zachin2036> oh hush jwaldo - I'm here to try to give linux a try! haha
[04:33] <dennister> viruses, spyware utilities, patches from so many sources, gates thinking he's the government and can audit/spy on a paying customer...i kept winblows while still working, for the same reasons as you, but I hardly touch it anymore
[04:33] <dennister> mainly to do my taxes once a year and run acrobat pro to fill in legal forms
[04:34] <zachin2036> dennister - yeah, well, like I said, I sure would like to play around with linux, maybe with a dual boot or a flash drive installation or something
[04:34] <memeemeee> can't run turbotax on wine?
[04:34] <jwaldo> I still have to use XP quite a bit :(
[04:34] <zachin2036> but in the meantime, I'm thinking linux might be my savior in this virus situation
[04:35] <jwaldo> Especially since I haven't felt up to tackling making my printer work in ubuntu yet
[04:35] <ardchoille> !printer
[04:35] <memeemeee> that part's easy jwaldo!
[04:35] <zachin2036> I've heard Wine is excellent...I read downloadsquad.com - so I kind of get the linux-light news
[04:35] <zachin2036> I used to read /. but I don't think I was nerdy enough...that was back in college in 1999
[04:36] <dennister> zachin2036: excellent idea! so backup the user files into a small partition, using gparted to create the partition, install the dual boot, play around with it and learn after you take one more stab at getting rid of the virus, then reinstall winblows
[04:37] <jwaldo> Bah, according to their chart my printer isn't supported
[04:37] <dennister> the windows channel might be able to help you get rid of this impossible-to-clean virus
[04:37] <dennister> if there's a virus, someone will probably have found a way to combat it
[04:37] <ardchoille> jwaldo: Just because your printer isn't there doesn't mean it isn't supported. That chart just shows known supported printers.
[04:37] <ardchoille> jwaldo: If you find your printer is indeed supported, you can add it to the list
[04:38] <memeemeee> jwaldo, what printer?
[04:38] <jwaldo> I read a way the other day, it just involved mucking about with converting drivers and such
[04:38] <jwaldo> Dell AIO920
[04:38] <jwaldo> It's actually a Lexmark X1100, IIRC
[04:39] <memeemeee> gutenprint?
[04:40] <zachin2036> dennister - well, I was posting to bleepingcomputer.com and one of the dudes there said I could go through a 30-point inspection and post HijackThis logs and blah blah blah....I thought it might be easier, ironically, to just find a way to burn my 200gb of info to DVDs and then just wipe the drive, drop the partition and start anew
[04:41] <jwaldo> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Dell-all_in_one_920_printer I'm really starting to hate Dell
[04:41] <dennister> zachin2036: that's a very good idea...you want some sort of non-hdd backup for all those dvd's anyway
[04:42] <zachin2036> yeah
[04:42] <zachin2036> is there a flash drive distro of kubuntu that comes with a cd/dvd burning program that I don't need to like...hardcode my burner into?
[04:42] <dennister> i did that once on this machine...all of my files onto dvds so if something ever happened to the drive...
[04:43] <dennister> zachin2036: what are u using now? a livecd will work fine, it has k3b for burning already
[04:44] <compilerwriter> anybody willing to help me compile a java source to try something out or at least point me to a good howto?
[04:44] <dennister> kubuntu itself is a bit too big for a flash drive, as kde is a pig by liniux standards
[04:46] <zachin2036> will I be able to run a liveCD and burn DVDs at the same time?  I mean, will I need to access the liveCD drive as I'm burning a DVD in that same physical drive?  Or will the LiveCD be installed to memory and allow me to free my drive up?
[04:49] <zachin2036> ugh, the guys in the windows room are almost as bad as you guys ;)
[04:49] <zachin2036> haha
[04:50] <dennister> oh, so you only have one drive? didn'tknow that
[04:50] <zachin2036> yeah - one HDD, one DVD-ROM
[04:50] <zachin2036> that changes the game a little, huh :|
[04:50] <dennister> ok, how much free space do you have on the hdd? out of how many gigs?
[04:51] <zachin2036> I've got about 100gb free out of 300gb
[04:52] <zachin2036> I just don't want to boot to Windows, even Safe Mode, if possible
[04:52] <dennister> ok, more than enough to install kubuntu to get the dual boot, then you can use k3b to burn dvd's from your ntfs windows drive
[04:52] <zachin2036> cool - so basically, I run a LiveCD or something that will repartition some of the empty space to make a partition for the dual boot?
[04:53] <zachin2036> can you tell I'm so burnt out on this?  I'm like 4 days deep in possible pain-in-the-butt solutions :)
[04:53] <dennister> what do you know of partitions and mounting? do you just have a C drive, not an E, F, G, and so on?
[04:54] <dennister> and yes, in answer to your question, installing kubuntu from the livecd will automatically entail rearranging the hard drive to create the 3 partitions you need for kubuntu
[04:54] <zachin2036> I know about making partitions....well, on the Windows XP Install CD at least - I used to whiz through DOS in the old days, but it's been more than 10 years.  Since then, I've been a one-partition kind of guy
[04:55] <zachin2036> but - Fry's has a 1TB drive for $140 right now...might be time for me to get back into the partitioning mood
[04:55] <jwaldo> I suck at partitions
[04:55] <dennister> ok, i thought I knew partitions, too, as I was used to partition magic and had a dual boot between xp 64-bit ed and xp media center edition
[04:55] <jwaldo> I couldn't even get the XP CD to make partitions
[04:55] <dennister> lol @ jwaldo
[04:55] <memeemeee> !usb | zachin2036
[04:56] <zachin2036> haha, yeah, I haven't done partitions in years - I think the only ones I've made have been the single primary partitions when I install on a fresh computer
[04:56] <dennister> zachin2036: hmmm...i guess i was wrong
[04:56] <jwaldo> took me half a dozen tries to partition my external drive
[04:56] <memeemeee> just an alternative option
[04:56] <richgar1982> Hello everybody
[04:56] <zachin2036> thanks memeemeee
[04:56] <zachin2036> hi rich
[04:56] <memeemeee> np
[04:57] <dennister> zachin2036: important question: what is a "mount point"?
[04:57] <richgar1982> does anybody knows how can I get Phonon running in my kubuntu hardy ??
[04:57] <jwaldo> I installed ubuntu through Wubi, since I'm not even sure my XP CD *is* a full-blown copy of XP
[04:57] <richgar1982> I need to make a program using that framewaork
[04:58] <zachin2036> dennister - do I get to wikipedia or do I have to shoot from the hip on the answer? :)
[04:58] <dennister> ok...gotcha :) "C' is a windows mount point, just as 'D; is probably the mount point for your burner
[04:59] <zachin2036> yeah, that's what I meant
[04:59] <zachin2036> hah
[05:00] <zachin2036> so in windows, I have my main drive, C: - the entire physical HDD....then my DVD burner is D:....and I have a daemon tools mounted E: I think
[05:00] <dennister> with linux you'll need 3 partitions: but instead of letters, there's the '/' for root (just the slash) '/home' for your user files, and a small swap space that's like the windows virtual memory (spare space on your drive that acts like ram)
[05:00] <zachin2036> I mounted an image at some point and it was a pain in the ass
[05:01] <memeemeee> dennister, do you think it's best to locate /home on a separate partition?
[05:03] <zachin2036> oh no, I can't take it if YOU guys disagree on what I should do :) hahaha
[05:03] <dennister> when you install kubuntu, the most difficult part of the process for newbs is understanding the partitioner, so choose the manual install option, choose 10G for /, with bootable flag on, say 1.5x your ram for the swap space partition, maybe 10G for /home/, and the rest for your movies, in a partition called /media/movies, using the ntfs file system
[05:03] <dennister> memeemeee: yes, most defintiely, put /home on its own partition
[05:04] <zachin2036> what should I do as my "oh sh*t" situation?  I mean, if I know I'm going to install right now, then wipe the entire drive after I back things up and start over, should I set things up differently?
[05:04] <dennister> you could also use ext3 for /media/movies, and ext3 is defintely required/expected for / and /home partitions
[05:04] <memeemeee> hmmm. how large should the / partition be?
[05:04] <richgar1982> does anybody knows about phonon ??????
[05:05] <richgar1982> ????
[05:05] <memeemeee> no idea richgar1982
[05:05] <dennister> zachin2036: not necessarily...you have 100 G free space, so out of the 100, 10G is for /, <1 forswap, 10G for /home, and say 50G for /media/movies
[05:05] <_2> dennister ext# is neither required nor expected for the rootfs.   it is the default though.
[05:06] <logan_> hello everyone, I have a problem with some libraries if someone would be willing to help me out
[05:06] <dennister> _2: yes, I realize that, but for a newb it's best to stick with the defaults
[05:06] <_2> heh.    ok.  jsut don't confuse them farther by saying that / has to be ext3  ;/
[05:07] <memeemeee> so dennister, if I'm partitioning with a separate /home folder how big should my / be?
[05:07] <zachin2036> hah, I'm more than a newb
[05:07] <dennister> zachin2036: when  you wipe your hard drive of winblows, you won't have to wipe the linux partitions...just the smaller-than-present windows partition
[05:08] <richgar1982> is anybody here who can help me ?????
[05:08] <richgar1982> Or i'm just alone on this enterire wordl of bad frameworks
[05:08] <richgar1982> ????
[05:08] <dennister> memeemeee: it can be as big as you want, really, on some of my installations I've made them over 100G, on really small hard drives it can be 1-5 G
[05:09] <logan_> well i just installed google earth for my 64-bit linux by following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth tutorial. When I did it, the tutorial said that I should install the lib32nss-mdns library to make it work better with my 64-bit system. I noticed that 22 things were uninstalled when the 32-bit drivers were installed; will this library have hurt my 64-bit installation?
[05:09] <_2> richgar1982 sorry,  what issue ?
[05:09] <zachin2036> well hell, maybe I'll pick up that 1TB drive for $139.99 and then I can have a physical Winblows drive and a physical Linsux drive ;)
[05:10] <kubuntu_> hi!  wondering how you can download to Desktop and see it on your Desktop immediately
[05:10] <dennister> memeemeee: as for root partition, it can be as small as 5-7G for comfort, but I run a lot of big server programs, so I feel more comfortable with 10 because I've had to make root bigger to accommodate more progs
[05:10] <kubuntu_> seems I have to navigate with filemanager to find a file i downloaded to Desktop
[05:10] <dennister> zachin2036: that's an excellent idea, that's what i did when i first tried linux
[05:10] <_2> memeemeee for a minimalest you can get by on 2g /   but not a novice.
[05:11] <logan_> could anyone help me with my problem?
[05:12] <dennister> _2 is right on everything he's said so far, but when I'm talking to newbs I try to keep things simple, and not confuse the issue with too many options :)
[05:12] <_2> logan_ the question beggs too many other questions.  sorry.
[05:12] <richgar1982> my issue is
[05:12] <richgar1982> that
[05:12] <memeemeee> so 10G would be plenty big enough dennister? I have 1x750G and 1x320H so space is not an issue. I just don't want to allocate more space than necessary.
[05:12] <richgar1982> I can't compile
[05:12] <richgar1982> absolutly anything
[05:13] <_2> dennister yeah yeah   i get the point.    you think the guy can't deal with my added data input.  i'll leave it alone.
[05:13] <richgar1982> using phonon framework
[05:13] <richgar1982> even the tutorrials and axemples
[05:13] <memeemeee> sorry that's 320G not H ;)
[05:13] <richgar1982> doesn't work fine
[05:13] <richgar1982> :S
[05:13] <_2> richgar1982 install  build-essential
[05:13] <richgar1982> I have already build essential
[05:13] <logan_> _2, let me rephrase the question; did installing that library remove files vital to the 64-bit Ububtu OS?
[05:13] <_2> richgar1982 and don't use enter as punctuation
[05:14] <richgar1982> ooook
[05:14] <zachin2036> alright, so...got it, HAS TO BE ext3, something about a /home and don't use syntax from the movie Hackers to install stuff...got it.
[05:14] <zachin2036> ;|
[05:14] <richgar1982> sorry
[05:14] <zachin2036> ;)
[05:14] <_2> logan_ if it had the packagemanager would have asked your permission and confirmation.
[05:14] <dennister> memeemeee: i know what you mean, i have lots of space on my drives, too, but when I'm rebuilding older machines, smaller drives are expensive, but all i can afford for donation purposes
[05:15] <logan_> _2: thats the thing, it did, it gave me one of those "y/n" prompts. the reason im concerned is that right after this one of my auto-updates failed
[05:16] <dennister> zachin2036: u got it...review: 3 partitions: / swap and /home. /media/movies is optional but what I'd recommend
[05:16] <_2> logan_ no.  a [y/n]  prompt is not asking permission + confirmation    an if you really want to do this then type "Yes, do as i say!"    is!
[05:17] <richgar1982> I have alredy installed build essential and i can't compile phonon any other question ?
[05:17] <_2> logan_ if you ever read that from the package manager,  just say no.
[05:17] <memeemeee> So if I made a root partition that was 15G would that suffice dennister?
[05:17] <logan_> oh wow, thats an actual Linux promt?!
[05:17] <logan_> *prompt
[05:18] <_2> logan_ yes.   and if you want to see it.  sudo apt-get remove libc6     will show it to you
[05:18] <zachin2036> heh, alright, so am I good to go with kubuntu?  I heard that was a good and powerful, but user-friendly distro....or should I be looking at Suse, puppy, red hat, blah blah blah
[05:18] <dennister> sizes for 4 partitions: 10G for / 1G for swap 10G for /home and 49G for /media/movies still leaves 230 for winblows ...until you get movies onto dvds
[05:18] <jwaldo> ubuntu and kubuntu are both good
[05:19] <dennister> zachin2036: kubuntu is the best...i've used lots
[05:19] <logan_> haha thats almost as good as the "we don't have super cow powers"
[05:19] <_2> zachin2036 *buntu is very near new release date.
[05:19] <_2> !intrepid
[05:19] <jwaldo> I've found Ubuntu to be the easier of the two to use
[05:19] <logan_> ok then, i feel better now. thank you _2
[05:19] <dennister> memeemeee: 15G...that's ok, when I started with Linux i was used to big partitions, too...now i see that's a holdover mentality from winblows :)
[05:19] <jwaldo> mostly because it's organized more like Windows
[05:20] <_2> jwaldo your insults are not needed here  :)
[05:20] <jwaldo> heh
[05:20] <_2> but yeah i guess so.
[05:20] <jwaldo> Like Windows without the suck, I should say :P
[05:20] <dennister> i like kde/kubuntu because I like the control :) and because i tutor newbs, who feel more at ease with a winblows-like organized desktop
[05:20] <_2> oh   ok.   :)
[05:21] <memeemeee> dennister,  when you tell zachin2036 that he should have a /media/movies does that go for any directory on which you expect to store lots of data (ie. a Downloads/Torrents mountpoint)
[05:21] <_2> zachin2036 the "alpha" in that infonode is out of date. it's late beta now.
[05:22] <memeemeee> that would be /home/username/Downloads/Torrents and another one for /media/music
[05:22] <zachin2036> dennister - and to top things off, I'm on my wife's mac mini right now, which I hate - it's got an 80gb hdd, which my wife blew through in 4 days with iphoto and itunes...and it lags like nothing i've ever seen.  I'd upgrade the ram, but who could get to it?! haha
[05:23] <zachin2036> _2: thanks - I'll make sure I hunt for the latest
[05:23] <jwaldo> heh
[05:23] <jwaldo> I rather like the Mini. Shame it's so outdated, though
[05:23] <jwaldo> and impossible to open
[05:23] <_2> zachin2036 well. actually i would more suggest that you hold off for a weak and then try it.
[05:24] <dennister> memeemeee: i'm just used to mounting other drives/partions on /media...with hardy there were installed directories (under /home/username for videos, music, pictures, etc., that I find very useful...
[05:24] <jwaldo> Actually, a big reason for me learning linux is in case they discontinue the Mini
[05:24] <dennister> i need to take a 10 minute break guys...bbs
[05:24] <zachin2036> _2 - can-do, now that my drive is inoperable, I've got nothing but time
[05:27] <_2> zachin2036 and you can look in on #ubuntu+1 to kind keep abreast of how things are developing    see any common problems they are trying to work out befor release date, and so forth
[05:27] <zachin2036> totally
[05:27] <_2> kinda
[05:27] <memeemeee> gotta say _2 and zachin2036 ...
[05:28] <memeemeee> I feel like 8.04 is really stable and has less compatibity hazards than Kubuntu 8.10 which is the first implimentation of KDE4 _2 and zachin2036
[05:29] <_2> memeemeee yes that's normal with prerelease.
[05:29] <zachin2036> are we saying this while dennister is away and not mentioning it once he gets back?  I'm on board haha
[05:29] <zachin2036> I like secrets
[05:29] <zachin2036> haha
[05:30] <memeemeee> but _2 even though it's an official release, it's a major step no?
[05:30] <_2> memeemeee i have whatched the same thing play out for the last 4 years.
[05:31] <_2> memeemeee it always looks like ubuntu is backing up.  but some how they keep moving forward
[05:31] <memeemeee> but for a noob don't you think it's best to start with Hardy, which is working very well?
[05:32] <memeemeee> I'm asking out of genuine curiosity
[05:32] <dennister> i saw that! :)
[05:32] <memeemeee> but for a noob don't you think it's best to start with Hardy, which is working very well? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity _2
[05:33] <faileas> memeemeee: actually it uses 4.1 i think
[05:33] <_2> memeemeee well yes if!   1) they are willing to resist all the presure from here and #ubuntu to upgrade as soon as it releases.   and 2)  they don't have brand new hardware to deal with.
[05:34] <dennister> actually, 8.04.1 is better than 8.04 of hardy...8.04 was very disappointing to me, and another newb is coming over tomorrow who wants to install intrepid...i'm nervous about that
[05:34] <dennister> all of my other upgrades from dapper to gutsy went beautifully, but hardy 8.04 broke that streak for me
[05:34] <_2> memeemeee if #1 fails you have doubbled their headaches but having them install the older system this close to release date.
[05:35] <memeemeee> so zachin2036 is looking to experiment with linux for the first time. don't you think he should start with 8.04.1 _2  faileas dennister?
[05:35] <faileas> dennister: both installs of 8.10 i have done through normal means (cd and netinst off netbootin) worked...
[05:35] <faileas> memeemeee: depends on the system
[05:35] <dennister> memeemeee: yes, definitely
[05:35] <_2> before they get the system stable they will be trying to upgrade...  ^    not a good experance for a beginner.
[05:35] <zachin2036> brb
[05:35]  * faileas would have prefered to learn linux in a VM first
[05:36] <zachin2036> putting my wife to bed...she's got a baby growing in her, so she can't last much longer
[05:36] <dennister> _2 is right
[05:36] <memeemeee> lol zachin2036 welcome to the world of linux where everyone has an opinion and none of them are quite the same
[05:36] <faileas> zachin2036: congrads. she needs to sleep while she can ;p
[05:36] <dennister> that's for sure...i remember over 20 years ago when i was preggers...lol
[05:36] <faileas> zachin2036: what are you on now?
[05:37] <jwaldo> hah, just noticed kubuntu has the right clock time
[05:37] <memeemeee> he's on XP but it's critically infected
[05:37] <_2> half a word
[05:37] <faileas> erf. critically infected >_>
[05:37] <jwaldo> XP was all screwed up last night because of the DST changes, kept me up til 4:00 thinking it was earlier
[05:37]  * faileas was about to suggest coming to terms with linux with a VM first
[05:38] <faileas> oh, i did ;p
[05:38] <memeemeee> lol faileas
[05:38] <faileas> zachin2036: have enough ram to use the live disk?
[05:39] <faileas> (never install anything you don't entirely understand. i can say for a fact VMware server was CRITICAL in getting me to switch completely)
[05:39] <faileas> well almost completely
[05:39] <_2> live CD is slow unless you can load all into ram and eject
[05:39] <faileas> _2: true
[05:39] <memeemeee> yes. he does. and was suggested to use that to install on a usb drive
[05:39] <jwaldo> apparently when Microsoft says SP2 includes "includes all important upgrades", they actually mean "not all important upgrades"
[05:39] <memeemeee> to recover data
[05:40] <faileas> jwaldo: OT but there's a very nice app from heise.de for that. they have an offline updater which gets a system up to scratch automagically ;p
[05:40] <faileas> y
[05:40] <_2> jwaldo no no no.  they just don't define "important" the same way you do  :)
[05:40] <faileas> oops. the y was for my console ;p
[05:40] <jwaldo> heh
[05:40] <jwaldo> Security is maintained. Sanity is optional
[05:41] <_2> :)
[05:41] <dennister> ha! and k3b said there was an error with burning my mini.iso! almost done :)
[05:42] <dennister> base system is in, opensshserver, printserver, and xubuntu are almost done installing :)
[05:42] <faileas> jwaldo: windows users are sane? ;p
[05:42] <jwaldo> They may start off that way
[05:43] <_2> faileas yes.   again they just don't define "same" the same way we do   :)
[05:43] <memeemeee> dennister, u ever work with jwm?
[05:44] <memeemeee> or anyone else for that matter?
[05:45] <faileas> _2: well technically most of the computers i admin are windows, and the only reason i manage is a well planned admin system ;p
[05:45] <dennister> no, i don't know jwm...or at least I don't think so...i do know genii personally and he really knows what he's doing
[05:46] <jwaldo> okay, sleep time
[05:46] <dennister> i worked with genii for a short while when I was at the Toronto freenet
[05:46] <_2> genii get flowers and coffee !
[05:47] <dennister> he's a sweetheart...and shares my caffeine addiction, lol
[05:47] <_2> :0
[05:48] <memeemeee> hmm. so no one's used Joe's Windows Manager?
[05:49] <_2> memeemeee only one time.   i have used twm much more.
[05:49] <dennister> ok, not 'almost done' was at only 6% of the software install...but like I said, base system was installed, so even if the rest doesn't get installed with the mini.iso, i can do the rest in console
[05:49] <dennister> oh, lord....jwm is not a peson, heheheheh
[05:49] <dennister> *person
[05:50] <_2> memeemeee i've even used joe's own editor more than i have used jwm.   but i prefer blackbox.
[05:52] <memeemeee> I am using it now for my laptop (very limited RAM) but I'm missing a bit of options and/or documentation
[05:53] <dennister> hmmm...still at 6%, but downloaded apps have gone from 96 to over 400...it's still downloading, and 6% is holding steady
[05:54] <_2> usage before starting xorg + blackbox "Memory Used/Total Percent: 24/502 MB (4%)" usage after starting them "Memory Used/Total Percent: 28/502 MB (5%)"   as you can see it's a pretty small foot print.
[05:54] <dennister> oh well, if i can just get the mini.iso finished, and get ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop started b4 I go to bed...
[05:54] <memeemeee> yeah! that's pretty great! what libs does it use?
[05:55] <_2> dennister i wouldn't expect the 6% to move until the dl is finisned.
[05:55] <dennister> almost 2 am here, and I have to go to legal aid again in the morning...don't mind me, just getting tired here
[05:55] <_2> memeemeee apt-cache show blackbox
[05:56] <memeemeee> yeah! _2 looks promising
[05:56] <memeemeee> what do you use for fsnavigation?
[05:56] <_2> mc
[05:56] <_2> !info mc
[05:58] <dennister> _2: really? well it has to go to 100%, i'm at almost 600 files, and what I chose isn't that voluminous
[05:58] <vikku> hi all
[05:58] <dennister> just opensshserver, printserver, and xubuntu-desktop
[05:58] <memeemeee> better than rox-filer? that's what i''ve been using. rox+jwm
[05:59] <vikku> iam tryg to install libdvdcss in home dir by doing sudo apt-get install /home/vikku/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb but i get err as Couldn't find package libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[05:59] <_2> memeemeee but.  i only start a gui for things like getting the foot print size i posted earler, and finding answers for people in here (occasionally)     about the only thing i use a gui for is photo editing,  every thing else i just do it a console.
[06:00] <_2> "linux guru's do it in a console"    </blushes>
[06:00] <zzaappp> is there a way to get a wireless card to connect without having to log into gnome/kde?  the box is a server...  users don't log into X on it.  they want to ssh into the box, but it needs the wireless network up first.
[06:00] <_2> zzaappp iwconfig ?
[06:00] <memeemeee> i use my laptop mostly for pdfs listening to podcasts, email and websurfing. CLI is not an ideal interface for any of these _2
[06:02] <zzaappp> 2) I can imagine pretty quickly where that can go (since I'm  coming from the gentoo distro).  isn't there a scripting interface within ubuntu to make that a bit simpler?
[06:02] <vikku> iam tryg to install libdvdcss in home dir by doing sudo apt-get install /home/vikku/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb but i get err as Couldn't find package libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb....i also  tried doing it by placing the deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives , same err msg
[06:02] <_2> memeemeee pdf2text file.pdf | less     elinks http://google.com      Mail     all of which are from console.
[06:03] <memeemeee> yeah. but that's just crazy! why would you want to reformat from graphical to text based?
[06:03] <_2> zzaappp maybe. but networking is not my strong suit.   and i have no wifi
[06:04] <_2> memeemeee heh.   you wouldnt     obviously.      but like i said   "I" just use the console.
[06:04] <_2> basicly i do it because i can.
[06:05] <memeemeee> i know what you mean ;) but it's not sensible in my case
[06:06] <_2> i would rather write my own .*  than use a gui one.   and seeing that i only know how to bash script,  i'm kinda limmited in what i write   </shrugs>
[06:07] <_2> that isn't supposed to make sense.    same reason i don't use swap, and don't have any partitions on my hdd's     it's just a choice.      this box has kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed,  and i use the console.
[06:08] <_2> it'
[06:08] <faileas> _2: no swap at all, or no swap partition?
[06:08] <_2> faileas none.
[06:08] <faileas> ahh
[06:08] <faileas> lots of ram?
[06:08]  * faileas does it on his server
[06:08] <dennister> vikku: did you download libdvdcss2 *into* your home directory?
[06:09] <faileas> vikku: you don't use apt like that
[06:09] <_2> it's not about it making logical sense.   it's not about being able to convince others to try it.   it's just my free expression of the true freedom that linux gives me.
[06:09] <dennister> or are you, as your ^^^ statement suggests, trying to install it there?
[06:09] <_2> faileas no.  only 512m ram here.
[06:10] <faileas> if you want to install a package on your drive you use dpkg -i or (preferably gdebi)
[06:10] <faileas> _2: thats a lot for a console system ;p
[06:10] <_2> faileas yes indeed.
[06:10] <faileas> mine's 384 mb
[06:10] <faileas> er
[06:10] <faileas> 640 mb.. my bad
[06:10] <dennister> vikku: in a teminal, type: sudo dpkg -i /home/vikku/libdvd<tab> <enter>
[06:11] <vikku> dpkg -i ....how coudl i forget it ....i just woke up
[06:11] <faileas> vikku: or double clock on the file ;p
[06:11] <dennister> and i want to go to bed...
[06:11] <faileas> click
[06:12] <faileas> its mid afternoon
[06:12] <vikku> yeaahhhh my dvds working now
[06:12] <_2> faileas i started out with a desktop 64m and 2g hdd and with a lappy 486 16m ram 200m hdd   and with slackware 4.0   about the turn of the melinia, or just before.  haven't looked back sense.
[06:12] <faileas> waiting for my mom to wake up from her nap so she can help me get this ... bloody spinter that seems to be embedded DEEP in my foot
[06:12] <faileas> _2: lol.
[06:13] <faileas> linux was the only good thing i got out of my first girlfriend ;p
[06:13] <faileas> who now 1) decided to be a guy 2) uses a mac
[06:13] <_2> faileas lol
[06:13] <_2> ouch.
[06:14] <_2> that's a good one to leave on.   <still_laughing>
[06:14] <faileas> naw
[06:14] <faileas> she dumped me
[06:14] <faileas> then two boyfriends later had the nerve to complain she got cheated on cause her boyfriend didn't like... 'his' wanting to be a guy
[06:14] <_2> naw,  i meant i'm leaving.   lol     nothing is likely to top that one.
[06:14] <faileas> ;p
[06:15]  * faileas has no luck with girls
[06:15] <mr---t-> nite all
[06:15] <zachin2036> whew....back
[06:18] <dennister> lol...and i want to say nighty-nite
[06:18] <dennister> but can't just yet
[06:19] <zachin2036> haha
[06:19] <zachin2036> hey dennister - have you seen this tutorial -
[06:19] <zachin2036> http://whoiam55.at.preempted.net/?p=18
[06:22] <surgy> a little off topic here but, can someone direct me to a good C++ IDE?
[06:23] <dennister> zachin2036: doesn't look familiar by  the looks of the url
[06:23] <zachin2036> it's a pretty simple (okay, a lot of text for simple, but hey, it's linux) tutorial on how to install as a dual boot with windows on the other partition
[06:24] <faileas> ooh
[06:25] <faileas> crossover office is giving away their software free for a day
[06:25] <faileas> http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[06:25] <dennister> zachin2036: yes, i've just been looking it over...seems fairly simple
[06:25] <dennister> faileas: thank you! October 28th?
[06:26] <faileas> dennister: works today
[06:26] <zachin2036> dennister - I'm downloading kubuntu and will give that livecd a whirl
[06:27] <faileas> dennister: you need to ge the serial number before then, and register in two days
[06:27] <zachin2036> I just hope my wife's mac mini burner isn't still having problems
[06:27] <zachin2036> while we're on the topic - what's the best office suite for linux?
[06:28] <dennister> faileas: ok, will do later today...or b4 i hit the sack
[06:29] <faileas> zachin2036: well i;ve been thinkin of trying koffice. i don't like OOo much
[06:29] <dennister> I'd love to stay away from winblows partitions even more, and when you're collaborating with others on complex documents, word is still the way to go
[06:29] <dennister> heck, i can't even get spellcheck to work with oo
[06:30] <zachin2036> I love MS Office, there I said it
[06:30] <zachin2036> it's bloatware, it's got a bunch of animated crap, but I love it.
[06:30] <zachin2036> I don't love the bloat, but it's just so damn strong
[06:30] <dennister> lol...did have it working on gutsy, but haven't bothered yet to struggle with it for hardy installs
[06:30] <zachin2036> and, I guess sadly, it's the standard...so it's hard to not love the suite that everything else is striving to be
[06:31] <dennister> the versioning in msoffice is good; in oo versioning is very basic, and I used to be an endnote gury/devleoper
[06:31] <zachin2036> would I have to run Wine and MSO?  Or is there - gasp - an MSO that runs on linux?
[06:32] <dennister> endnote, of course, is also done via codeweavers....the front end is a plugin for word, backend a bibliographical database
[06:33] <dennister> apparently there are versions of mso that work under wine, but not the latest ones, or the version I've got (I have 2003)
[06:34] <zachin2036> so I'd have to go back to Office XP or earlier?  hmmmm
[06:35] <alive-man> good morning
[06:35] <alive-man> i've got a problem
[06:35] <alive-man> with linux ubuntu
[06:36] <alive-man> about thrash panel
[06:36] <alive-man> someone helps me
[06:37] <dennister> zachin2036: get your serial number for crossover office...normally you have to pay for it, but today it's free: http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[06:37]  * alive-man is listening ac/dc .- balck ice .-
[06:37]  * alive-man is listening ac/dc .- black ice .-
[06:37] <dennister> faileas gave me that link, and i'm awaiting my serial numer email now
[06:38] <faileas> if anyone wants the story behind it http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/10/27/codeweavers-software-free-tomorrow-tuesday-october-28
[06:38]  * faileas wonders if it will let me run .net stuff
[06:38] <zachin2036> I'm awaiting too...maybe my wife would like the mac version
[06:39] <dennister> just make sure you give her email addy for the mac version
[06:39] <dennister> the codeweaver main site is now down due to volume :)
[06:40] <zachin2036> yeah...I might just do that
[06:40] <zachin2036> okay, I just did it.
[06:40] <zachin2036> haha
[06:40] <zachin2036> so much for "might"
[06:40] <faileas> yup
[06:41] <faileas> lol
[06:43] <dennister> what i really need to run these days is <gulp> ie once a year for taxes, and acrobat pro
[06:43] <faileas> it dosen't seem to install on intrepid :(
[06:43] <zachin2036> no open source options for you, dennister?
[06:43] <dennister> i use ies4linux to run ontario government sites' apps
[06:45] <dennister> Revenue Canada (IRS in the US) runs unix servers, but for us to login and netfile oru taxes, we must use ie and windows, or mac and something, or suse/redhat and firefox v. 1.0
[06:46] <dennister> so firefox 2 or 3 is out of the question, and so is ubuntu
[06:46] <dennister> ies4 linux, under wine, fools the provincial government, but not revenue canada
[06:47] <zachin2036> wow
[06:47] <zachin2036> so they make it easy, huh?
[06:47] <zachin2036> haha
[06:53] <dennister> anyway, my installation with a supposedly-flawed mini.iso disk is finished, i've rebooted, and started installing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, so I can finally let that run and go to sleep :)
[06:53] <dennister> night all
[06:54] <zachin2036> night
[06:54] <zachin2036> thanks for all your help
[06:54] <zachin2036> and with that, I'm leaving too
[06:54] <zachin2036> peace out
[06:58] <alive-man> someone to help me?
[07:00]  * alive-man is listenning ac/dc -.black ice.- Lp
[07:01] <alive-man> i have  any exit
[07:01] <alive-man> bye
[07:35] <Sylent> what command could I use to change the name of all files in a folder so "%20" becomes " " ?
[07:39] <dwidmann_laptop> Sylent: I would use krename to do it ... makes batch renaming easy ...
[07:39] <Sylent> krename "%20" " " *
[07:39] <Sylent> right?
[07:40] <dwidmann_laptop> no.
[07:40] <dwidmann_laptop> Sylent: install krename, run "krename" and you'll see very clearly what to do from there
[07:40] <Sylent> so it's a gui?
[07:41] <dwidmann_laptop> yes .... laced with quite a many features
[07:41] <Sylent> hmm, don't suppose there are any without a gui?
[07:42] <dwidmann_laptop> Sylent: Hmm, not sure, wouldn't be hard to do it yourself with a python script or something of that sort either though
[07:42] <Sylent> well i switched from mandriva, using rename "%20" " " * worked there
[07:43] <Sylent> but nothing happened when i did that on this
[07:43] <Sylent> was puzzled
[07:43] <dwidmann_laptop> Sylent: hmm, one sec while I check something
[07:43] <Sylent> take your time
[07:45] <dwidmann_laptop> Sylent: you could use deurlname from the "renameutils" package to do it
[07:45] <Sylent> no gui? ^_^
[07:46] <dwidmann_laptop> I've never used it, but I'm assuming that.
[07:46] <Sylent> awesome
[07:46] <Sylent> tyvm
[07:46] <dwidmann_laptop> You're welcome. "apt-cache search" is my friend :)
[07:48] <aomegax4> ciao
[07:49] <aomegax4> hi...why does kde-window-decorator crash when I start kde4?
[07:50] <aomegax4> I must always replace it...
[07:50] <aomegax4> Is there a patch to solve this problem?
[07:51] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: Which version of KDE4?
[07:52] <aomegax4> mmm perhaps 4.1
[07:52] <aomegax4> one moment I see it
[07:52] <aomegax4> how or where can I see version?
[07:53] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: in any kde app, go to help -> about kde
[07:57] <surgy> how does cannonicle effect us actually? we use the kde windows manager and torvalds wrote the kernal right?
[07:58] <aomegax4> here it says 3.5.10 but I have kde4 (I trust I have 3.4.1)
[07:58] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: maybe I should have been more specific, any kde4 app
[07:59] <surgy> when does kde4 become part of the buntu official stable release?
[08:00] <aomegax4> from terminal how can I do?
[08:00] <faileas> aomegax4: thats cause a few apps are not upgraded
[08:00] <dwidmann_laptop> surgy: they're one difference between doing linux from scratch (LFS), and popping in a cd and automagically installing everything
[08:00] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: how about "apt-cache policy kdelibs5"
[08:00] <micha_> somebody know how to hide user from kdm login screen kcontrol and /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc has no efect
[08:00] <faileas> and they also integrate a few kernel patches, and manage the main repos
[08:01] <aomegax4> I believe I have no apps for kde4, for example I have kmail not kmail4
[08:02] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: you probably have a lot, look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/
[08:04] <aomegax4> :D
[08:04] <aomegax4> 4.1.2
[08:04] <aomegax4> this is my version of kde
[08:04] <dwidmann_laptop> aomegax4: well, seeing as it works for me, I'm thinkng it's something to do with your configuration.
[08:05] <aomegax4> have you even compiz?
[08:05] <dwidmann_laptop> no
[08:09] <micha_> somebody know how to hide user from the kdm login
[08:09]  * faileas would note kde4 comes with its own compositing window manager
[08:15] <noam> i'm on kubuntu 8.10, and audio in flash doesn't work. is there any way to fix this?
[08:16] <SkEmO> how can i watch a 3gp movie? without changing the xtension?
[08:16] <faileas> SkEmO: i'd probably try VLC
[08:16] <hateball> !info libflashsupport | noam
[08:16] <faileas> extentions don't matter on linux anyway
[08:17] <SkEmO> VLC doesent work
[08:18] <SkEmO> i change the extention to .mpg and works, but the quality is poor in that  format
[08:18] <noam> hateball: so the solution is to get flash to use OSS?
[08:18] <noam> would that also fix the audio problem in amarok?
[08:19] <noam> okay, i installed it and it didn't work
[08:19] <noam> as in, there's still no sound on youtube. that makes sense since i have flash 10 installed
[08:20] <SkEmO> mplayer works , phew
[08:24] <ArShAm> hi all
[08:24] <ardchoille> mplayer better work, it's one of the best media players around
[08:24] <ArShAm> I downloaded the alternate CD , and when I'm gonna upgrade , it wants to download almost 1.4 Gb of data
[08:25] <ArShAm> or if I refuse , it wants to remove lots of the packages
[08:26] <ArShAm> and I have a very slow connection , how can I upgrade with the alternate CD without removing the packages or downloading the updates?
[08:26] <ArShAm> I just want to keep my current packages and upgrade them later
[08:26] <ardchoille> ArShAm: The package manager is doing that because it's keeping the system safe.. you may need certain packages/deps to keep everything runing correctly
[08:27] <ardchoille> ArShAm: Is that the intrepid cd?
[08:27] <ArShAm> ardchoille, yes , its the intrepid alternate
[08:27] <ArShAm> I mean alternate CD
[08:27] <ardchoille> yeah, you're going to ned a lot of kde4/qt4 stuff as kde4 is the default in intrepid
[08:27] <ardchoille> s/ned/need/
[08:28] <ArShAm> its not only the KDE4 stuff , it removes almost everything
[08:28] <ardchoille> yes, you're upgrading from kde3 to kde4, it's a big move
[08:28] <ArShAm> I know , I need the kde3 to be present
[08:29] <ardchoille> ArShAm: you can't use kde3 stuff in kde4, it's a whole different toolkit
[08:29] <ArShAm> it says 467 packages has to be removed!!!
[08:29] <ardchoille> probably removing the kde3 version to replace them with kde4 versions
[08:29] <ArShAm> I don't want to install KDE4 at the moment
[08:30] <ardchoille> then you shouldn't upgrade to interpid, kde4 is the default there
[08:30] <ArShAm> hmmm
[08:30] <ArShAm> the reason to upgrade is about the kernel and other stuff
[08:30] <ArShAm> maube I had to get the ubuntu intrepid?
[08:30] <ardchoille> perhaps try asking in #ubuntu+1, you might get better help there
[08:31] <ArShAm> ok , thanks
[08:35] <ArShAm> hi again
[08:35] <ardchoille> ArShAm: How'd you fare?
[08:35] <ArShAm> ardchoille, I need to give a new information
[08:35] <ArShAm> ok
[08:35] <ArShAm> I looked into it
[08:35] <ArShAm> if anybody else had the same question...
[08:36] <ArShAm> its only going to remove the old KDE4 stuff
[08:36] <ArShAm> because I have had them already
[08:36] <ArShAm> so in my situation, seems to be ok to let them removed
[08:36] <ArShAm> am I right? is there almost 467 packages related to KDE4 you think?
[08:37] <ardchoille> ArShAm: If you're upgrading to kde4 from kde3 then it's also going to install kde4 necessities. kde3 and kde4 use different toolkits
[08:37] <ArShAm> ardchoille, how about to keep the KDE3?
[08:37] <ArShAm> I know lots of users want to upgrade the distro and still using the KDE3
[08:38] <ardchoille> I didn't think that was possible
[08:38] <ardchoille> But I could be wrong as I'm not a dev
[08:39] <ArShAm> It should be , because KDE developers say that their gonna keep supporting the KDE3 till the next stable version of KDE4 comes out
[08:40] <ardchoille> that doesn't necessarily mean that kde4 is backward compatible with kde3
[08:40] <ArShAm> in the documents says that it has to support the KDE3 applications
[08:40] <ardchoille> Ah, then I'm wrong.
[08:40] <ArShAm> because some of them are not ported to KDE4 still
[08:41] <ardchoille> Thanks for the info
[08:41] <ArShAm> no problem
[08:41] <ardchoille> that's one reason I won't be using kde4 until next year
[08:41] <ArShAm> I will give some other new info whenever I catch
[08:41] <ArShAm> me too
[08:41] <ArShAm> what are you doing here anyways?
[08:41] <ArShAm> answering people?
[08:42] <ardchoille> I've been using *buntu for years  and I like to help when I can
[08:42] <ArShAm> good
[08:42] <ArShAm> me too
[08:42] <ardchoille> And I learn from people like you :)
[08:42] <ArShAm> ok
[08:42] <ArShAm> about these information, will you post somewhere for others to use?
[08:43] <ArShAm> I think that was the FAQ and maybe lots of users need to know
[08:43] <ardchoille> I have no where to post anything
[08:43] <ArShAm> hmmmm
[08:43] <ArShAm> ok
[08:43] <ArShAm> I have no time at the moment
[08:43] <ArShAm> I should say , I will be very busy as hell till next month
[08:44] <ArShAm> if I had time , I surely would send some info on the kubuntu forums
[08:44] <ArShAm> will you do that please?
[08:45] <ardchoille> I don't really have time to make posts
[08:46] <ArShAm> ok
[08:46] <ArShAm> so , take a look : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3090201.msg109271#msg109271
[08:47] <ardchoille> I tired upgrading two different times on two different releases, both times it hosed my system. I don't trust upgrades.
[08:47] <ArShAm> have you had a backup? or you messed everything?!
[08:49] <ardchoille> I had a backup image, so I didn't lose anything except my time
[08:49] <ardchoille> PartImage rocks!
[08:49] <ArShAm> damn
[08:50] <ArShAm> hmmm , never heared of
[08:50] <ardchoille> it allows you to make a disk image of a partition. I use it to backup sda1 and then I can restore it if anything goes wrong.
[08:50] <ArShAm> I use tar
[08:51] <ArShAm> I just make an archive and then I untar it if needed
[08:51] <ardchoille> tar the entire installation?
[08:51] <ArShAm> yes
[08:51] <ArShAm> it has exclude options
[08:51] <ardchoille> That wold take too long. PartImage ghosts sda1 in about 7 minutes
[08:51] <ardchoille> It works for me anyway
[08:52] <ArShAm> I know
[08:52] <ArShAm> that should be better
[08:52] <ArShAm> but tar gives me to choose not to backup the caches
[08:54] <ArShAm> ardchoille, is there any frontends for that?
[08:57] <ardchoille> for PartImage?
[08:57] <ardchoille> it uses dialog, it's kind of a gui itself
[08:57] <dwidmann_laptop> ardchoille: partimage uses a curses interface .. good enough
[08:57] <ardchoille> ArShAm: Can I PM you?
[08:57] <ArShAm> sure
[08:57] <ardchoille> dwidmann_laptop: Ah, yeah, thout so
[08:58]  * dwidmann_laptop uses unison for syncing/backup purposes
[09:17] <Colonel_Panic> does anybody know the keyboard shortcut to un-fullscreen an app?
[09:18] <Prometheus7777> hi, which package should i install in intrepid to make Quanta works with sftp uploads?
[09:33] <JackWinter_> what's the x hotkey fpr changing resolution ?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:48] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: long time no see
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> im around :)
[09:59] <jussi01> Hrm, does anyone know how to open .stp files in linux?
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> .stp...let me websearch
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> where are they from?
[10:03] <ardchoille> http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/stp
[10:03] <jussi01> its the IDA-Step format
[10:03] <ardchoille> jussi01: blender?
[10:03] <jussi01> graphics/mechanical stuff
[10:03] <jussi01> blender does .stp?
[10:04] <ardchoille> idk, I was asking
[10:04] <jussi01> I have found one, shame its not free
[10:04] <ardchoille> that's the closest thing I can think of to 3d images
[10:04] <jussi01> http://www.ida-step.net/download
[10:04] <jussi01> at least I _think_ this will work
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> dwfviewer i think views em but you may need wine
[10:12] <zer0o> hi to copy a folder from "home" to another directory what's the right route for "home" ? i thought the terminal "starts" already "inside" home so you didn't need to specify any route
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> zer0o: if its the current users home its abstracted to ~/
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> zer0o: eg. sudo cp ~/somescript /usr/bin/
[10:17] <ardchoille> zer0o: /home/$USER  (where $USER is your username) or /home$(whoami)
[10:17] <ardchoille> oops.. /home/$(whoami)
[10:18] <stdin> well, /home/$USER would work too
[10:18] <ardchoille> many ways to do it of course
[10:18] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> its quicker to use ~/
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> or you can type ~/ and press tab
[10:20] <zer0o> thx
[10:20] <stdin> "cd $(grep :$(id -u): /etc/passwd|awk -F: '{print $6}')" ;)
[10:20] <ardchoille> hahaha
[10:20] <zer0o> how can i open the gui with administrator privileges? sudo doplhin ??
[10:21] <stdin> !kdesudo
[10:21] <ardchoille> stdin: Should I alias that? lol
[10:21] <stdin> ardchoille: it should work perfectly well :)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> zer0o: kdesudo dolphin
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> zer0o: i would keep the use of root dolphin to a minimal
[10:22] <zer0o> done
[10:22] <zer0o> thank u
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> zer0o: if you wanna copy to where only root can you can sudo cp
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> for example
[10:27] <chris__> hi
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> !hi | chris__
[10:27] <chris__> where is the vpnc frontend in knetworkmanager?
[10:28] <chris__> it has disappeared
[10:53] <noaXess> how can i login as another user only in the konsole?
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: su <new username>
[10:53] <noaXess> hi ActionParsnip :)
[10:53] <noaXess> and then, which passwort? user password or mine?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: the users you are changing to
[10:54] <noaXess> ok.. and if shell is pointing to /bin/false i can't su it ..
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> erm, no idea
[10:55] <noaXess> i try to create a remote support machine over openssh
[10:55] <noaXess> this one.. it's german..sorry.. http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2007/11/052-remote-support/
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> you can ssh over as you, set the shell to /bin/sh or whatever then you should be ok
[10:56] <noaXess> yes .. no its ok.. with /usr/bash
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> thats fine if bash suits you
[10:58] <noaXess> i have set a passwort for root.. is that any problem?
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> no thats fine
[10:59] <keithamus> My up arrow and at keys seem to not work, even in the ttys they dont work!
[10:59] <keithamus> They were working fine for ages, but all of a sudden they dont work.
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> keithamus: do you get a tonne of output from the history command
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> ?
[11:00] <ardchoille> noaXess: Setting a root password is actually not recommended and should never be needed.
[11:00] <keithamus> Yeah
[11:00] <ardchoille> !root | noaXess
[11:00] <keithamus> 120 lines
[11:00] <noaXess> ardchoille: i have set it, for a test.. can i empty it?
[11:00] <ardchoille> noaXess: yes, you can, see the page ubottu linked
[11:00] <noaXess> ok
[11:00] <noaXess> thanks
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> keithamus: try renaming ~/.bah_history
[11:01] <keithamus> think thatll help?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> keithamus: its worth a try
[11:01] <keithamus> nope nada.
[11:02] <keithamus> They keys dont just not work in tty, they dont work in any environment. Noted it first when I tried to scroll up using the arrow key in firefox, then in using the "at" key to enter my email address into something
[11:03] <keithamus> tried changing the layouts, but no luck
[11:04] <ardchoille> keithamus: are sure it's not a keybaord problem (dead key)?
[11:05] <keithamus> ardchoille: it was working fine up until yesterday, and nothing special happened to my keyboard since then.
[11:06] <keithamus> also, why would it just happen to two random keys?
[11:06] <keithamus> Ill try booting a livecd see if I cant get it to work from that
[11:07] <ardchoille> is the keyboard old? Do those keys work in any other OS?
[11:07] <ardchoille> livecd is a good idea to test them
[11:07] <noaXess> anyboy uses a remote support tool for supporting windows clients?
[11:08] <keithamus> ardchoille: its a laptop, the whole thing is about 1 year old now.
[11:08] <faileas> noaXess: i used RDP, but i have it set up so i have access to it
[11:08] <ardchoille> keithamus: Try a livecd and see what happens. Hardware gives out at times so that's an avenue to test besides software
[11:08] <faileas> noaXess: you can also remote assistance with a linux client i THINK
[11:09] <noaXess> faileas: then you need to set it up on each client..
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: krdp
[11:09] <noaXess> faileas: yes.. that i know... but i need the windows client to act over ssh..
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> !info krdp
[11:09] <noaXess> with e reverse-ssh-tunnel..
[11:09] <keithamus> well, off to try a livecd i guess.
[11:09] <noaXess> krdc is it
[11:09] <keithamus> cheers guys
[11:09] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: you mean krdc?
[11:10] <faileas> noaXess: hmm donno if putty does reverse ssh
[11:10] <ardchoille> tho krdp would probably have been a better name for that app
[11:10] <noaXess> just test.. thanks.. it's lunch time :)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> !rdp
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> !find rdp
[11:12] <ardchoille> Is there a kde app similar to gimp?
[11:12] <SlimeyPete> not that I know of
[11:13] <ardchoille> kolorpaint isn't as powerful and I can't seem to like krita
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: kolourpaint ;)
[11:13] <ardchoille> ah, yeah
[11:13] <ardchoille> It's this keyboard
[11:14] <ardchoille> I can't find libprint-what-i-meant
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: try tab completing
[11:22] <ardchoille> That only works for installed apps :)
[11:22] <ulaas> hi! still no support for exchange with kontact. i mean a la evolution?
[11:22] <jutsme> any idea when is next release of kubuntu comin up?
[11:23] <ardchoille> jutsme: in two days
[11:24] <ardchoille> !intrepid
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: works for possible apps too
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: try presing tab a few times
[11:27] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: I get nothing from  "kolo <tab> <tab> <tab>"
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: kolorpaint is like mspaint in windows
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> !kolourpaint
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> !kolorpaint
[11:28] <ardchoille> yeah, I know what it is but it's not as powerful as gimp
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> ?
[11:28] <ardchoille> !info kolourpaint
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> 1info krita
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> !info krita
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> id go with gimp hands down, what it offers is worth the bloat
[11:30] <ardchoille> I agree
[11:30] <ardchoille> just wondered if kde had a similar app
[11:30] <arsham1> hi
[11:31] <arsham1> I need help
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> i think theres one on the horizon if you squint
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> !ask | arsham1
[11:31] <arsham1> cannot login into kde!
[11:32] <dr_willis> and are you using ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> arsham1: whats it say when you try?
[11:32] <arsham1> I upgraded to intrepid, and now I cannot login into KDE, it says the ksmserver crashing
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> bingo
[11:32] <dr_willis> :) Yep..bingo
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> !intrepid | arsham1
[11:32] <dr_willis> from console, update, upgrade,  hope the bug gets fixed
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> or stay with hardy, no bugs
[11:33] <dr_willis> 'no bugs' ?
[11:33] <dr_willis> heh:)
[11:33] <dr_willis> well... not as many and known bugs..
[11:33] <ardchoille> I haven't seen any bugs yet in Hardy
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> i dont get folks upgrading when what they have works 100%
[11:33] <arsham1> anybody had the same situation as I have now?
[11:33] <dr_willis> ive had issues with gnome and samba share browsing in hardy, and a few other quirks. but it also depends on how you define 'bugs' :)
[11:34] <dr_willis> arsham1,  the place to ask is in #ubuntu+1
[11:34] <ardchoille> true
[11:34] <arsham1> ok , thanks
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: i always mount shares so am ok
[11:34] <dr_willis> ActionParsnip,  Yep i tend to do that also.. but every so often i just need qick access..  I tend to use fusesmb mainly these days
[11:35] <OxDeadC0de> Anyone know how to prevent nm-applet from starting up when using a kde session with gnome installed as well? without uninstalling nm-applet?
[11:35] <dr_willis> only 171kb of updates today in 8.10 :) it must be getting better!
[11:36] <ardchoille> My only problem is baghira won't be ported to kde4 so I'm staying with kde3 as long as possible.
[11:37] <dr_willis> we all know proper themes are critical to  gettting work done! :)
[11:37] <ardchoille> hehe
[11:37] <selim> herkese selam arkadaşlar ( hi all )
[11:38] <selim> is there anybody know turkish language
[11:38] <payam> #ubuntu-se
[11:38] <payam> fuck off turk
[11:38] <bazhang> payam, no cursing
[11:39] <bazhang> !coc | payam
[11:39] <Pici> !tr | selim
[11:39] <selim> fuck you yourself
[11:39] <ardchoille> !ops
[11:41] <fireboar> Hey, anyone up for a bit of helping a guy with a big problem?
[11:41] <kexman> helloo
[11:41] <SlimeyPete> !ask
[11:41] <SlimeyPete> :)
[11:41] <fireboar> Right-o.
[11:41] <kexman> how can i download updates for a friend of mine who doesnt has FAST internet ?
[11:41] <kexman> and how can i use those instead of him downloading the updates ?
[11:41] <dr_willis> !aptoncd
[11:42] <SlimeyPete> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[11:42] <kexman> hmm
[11:42] <kexman> so i should install aptoncd ?
[11:42] <kexman> and how do i add that to the other computer ?
[11:43] <kexman> in adept manager manage repositories ?
[11:43] <kexman> or how ?
[11:43] <SlimeyPete> yes, add the CD as a repository
[11:43] <fireboar> I've got kwin really messing up. Ever since my recent update (which did a whole ton of packages), there is no window decoration at all. The top and bottom bars are all empty, there are no multiple desktops, the taskbar is empty even though I have many windows open, I can't open Yakuake even though it's running, there is no title bar on any windows so I can't move or close anything (except using killall).
[11:43] <jutsme> !grub
[11:47] <SlimeyPete> fireboar: are you using Compiz (Desktop effects)?
[11:47] <dr_willis> fireboar,  you updated to 8.10 ?
[11:47] <fireboar> SlimyPete: No. dr_willis: Yes, clean hardy install about 4 months ago.
[11:47] <NutCracker> Any one here with a nvidia card and a dual screen, Need help.
[11:47] <NutCracker> i mean, i need help.
[11:47] <NutCracker> :P
[11:48] <ardchoille> fireboar: For help with Intrepid, best to ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:48] <fireboar> SlimyPete: Although the Desktop Effects program won't even open.
[11:48] <dr_willis> NutCracker,  my quick guide.. install nvidia drivers & nvidia-settings, run sudo nvidia-settings, configure, save.. restart X.
[11:48] <dr_willis> "_
[11:48] <fireboar> ardchoille: Oops, sorry, it's just Hardy. Not Intrepid. I thought hardy was 8.10, my mistake.
[11:49] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[11:49] <NutCracker> dr_willis, well,
[11:49] <SlimeyPete> fireboar: tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin"? Just a thought.
[11:49] <fireboar> SlimeyPete: Okay, I'll try that.
[11:50] <dr_willis> NutCracker,  now ya are going to ask the ACTUAL question right? :)
[11:50] <fireboar> SlimetPete: And restart X, right? Be back in a sec.
[11:51]  * dr_willis wonders what sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin has to do with anything....
[11:51] <SlimeyPete> dr_willis: *shrug* if his kwin has broken, reconfigure might fix something. It's usually the first thing I try.
[11:51] <SlimeyPete> Doesn't work that often, but occasionally it does
[11:51] <ardchoille> what happened to all the settings that used to be in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:52] <dr_willis> im not even sure that kwin is a actual package....
[11:52] <dr_willis> Xorg is getting into a more 'auto configure everything' mentality.. so the xorg.conf is getting rather minimal
[11:52] <ardchoille> dr_willis: it is
[11:52] <dr_willis>  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   -- is getting where it doesnt do much of anything these days..
[11:52] <fireboar> Okay... that didn't work. Same situation again.
[11:52] <NutCracker> dr_willis, My one display is 640x480 :(
[11:52] <ardchoille> dr_willis:  kwin - the KDE window manager
[11:52] <SlimeyPete> dr_willis: I think it is. dpkg -L certainly suggests as much.
[11:52] <NutCracker> other is 1280x1024
[11:53] <dr_willis> NutCracker,  so you just need to set the res for the 2nd display?
[11:53] <NutCracker> in nvidia config one detects as a crt-0
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> fireboar: try "/usr/bin/kwin --replace"
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> (you don't have to restart X for that one)
[11:53] <NutCracker> well, thats the max resolution in nvidia-settings
[11:53] <NutCracker> dr_willis,
[11:54] <misiaczkowski> hi
[11:54] <fireboar> SlimetPete: Hmm... kwin: Cannot connect to X server.
[11:54] <fireboar> ^SlimeyPete rather.
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> fireboar: are you running the command from inside X, or from a console?
[11:54] <fireboar> Console.
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> try it from inside X, if you can
[11:54] <fireboar> Okay.
[11:54] <dr_willis> NutCracker,  try   runing  sudo nvidia-settings, configure, save.. restart X.
[11:55] <fireboar> Woah.
[11:55] <fireboar> That worked!
[11:55] <NutCracker> k, brb
[11:55] <misiaczkowski> I find problem on kubuntu 8.10.... I can't move mp3 from Dolphin to amarok ( on amarok I see only link to the mp3)
[11:55] <dr_willis> !8.10
[11:55] <ardchoille> fireboar: sounds like the system tried to use compiz and failed
[11:55]  * SlimeyPete agrees with ardchoille 
[11:55] <fireboar> ardchoille: Yeah, I figured. Any idea how I might remedy that?
[11:56] <ardchoille> no, I haven't had that problem since switching from gnome
[11:56] <misiaczkowski> thanks
[11:57] <fireboar> Hm, could libdecoration0 be the problem?
[11:58] <SlimeyPete> fireboar: could be
[11:59] <fireboar> Wouldn't hurt to try uninstalling it and then restart X.
[11:59] <NutCracker> dr_willis, Still the same, when i auto detect it detects as CRT-0, Wnat to see my config?
[11:59] <fireboar> Might be back later if the problem continues.
[11:59] <dr_willis> NutCracker,  you have 2 crt monitors hooked up? or a tv/crt? or what ecactly? they are both hooked to the same card?
[12:00] <NutCracker> dr_willis, Two dell lcd monitors.
[12:00] <NutCracker> 20''
[12:00] <dr_willis> Hmm.. they are dvi connected? or vga?
[12:01] <NutCracker> vga.
[12:01] <dr_willis> If you can use dvi.. you will get better pictures and proberly have fewer problems
[12:01] <dr_willis> my xorg.conf for 2 monitors.. well 1 lcd. and 1 tv ---->   http://pastebin.com/fe727206
[12:03] <kexman> could anyone give me a good guide to a Huawei E220 ?
[12:04] <fireboar> Okay... it's still trying to use some library other than kwin.
[12:04] <NutCracker> dr_willis, mine, http://tinypaste.com/1307e
[12:07] <dr_willis> Option         "metamodes" "CRT-0: 640x480 +1280+272, CRT-1: 1280x1024 +0+0; CRT-0: NULL, CRT-1: 1280x1024 +0+0"
[12:07] <dr_willis> its using 640x480 it seems...
[12:08] <dr_willis> what version of kubuntu are you using anyway? that xorg.conf looks like its from an older version
[12:09] <NutCracker> 7.10
[12:09] <NutCracker> huh, should i change that manually?
[12:12]  * NutCracker restarting..
[12:12] <dr_willis> You could.. You may seriously want to think about upgrading to a newer release.
[12:13] <dr_willis> CRT-0: 640x480   change to like CRT-0: 1280x1024     or somthing.
[12:13] <dr_willis> If you can use DVI.. i would strongly suggest using DVI also.
[12:23] <danish> angry ip scanner
[12:23] <danish> wher i get for ubuntu
[12:23] <SlimeyPete> angry?
[12:23] <dr_willis> There are various network tools in the package manager.
[12:23] <danish> angry ip scanner
[12:23] <dr_willis> nmap is one such tool
[12:23] <dr_willis> Never heard of that specific tool...
[12:23] <SlimeyPete> yeah, nmap
[12:24] <danish> i know
[12:24] <danish> then ell me nmap cmd
[12:24] <danish> to scan ip range
[12:24] <SlimeyPete> nmap 192.168.1.*
[12:25] <dr_willis> nmap is the kind of tool.. its worth reding its docs/manpage and guides...
[12:25]  * SlimeyPete wonders if there's a factoid
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> !nmap
[12:25] <dr_willis> nmap -sP '192.168.1.*'
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> evidently not.
[12:25] <dr_willis> or was it -Sp
[12:25] <danish> -sp mean
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> danish: see "man nmap" or "nmap --help" for instructions
[12:26] <dr_willis> !info knmap
[12:27] <danish> oks
[12:27] <danish> thanxs
[12:27] <danish> how i can use netcat
[12:27] <danish> some 1 tell me
[12:27] <Pici> danish: man netcat.
[12:27] <dr_willis> I would have to start with 'man netcat'
[12:27] <danish> yap
[12:28] <Pici> Its a complicated little app.
[12:28] <danish> netcat
[12:28] <dr_willis>  nc [-options] hostname port[s] [ports] ...
[12:28] <danish> where i can learn
[12:28] <Pici> danish: read its manpage for starters.
[12:28] <dr_willis> google - proberly has tutorials
[12:28] <danish> wats stant (option)
[12:28] <Pici> danish: What? Can you rephrase tht?
[12:28] <Pici> *that
[12:29] <dr_willis> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ol-service.com%2Fsikurezza%2Fdoc%2Fnetcat_eng.pdf&ei=fgUHSfKHFKCiMs2p7fwG&usg=AFQjCNFomoSznldG1zOrHISiSLCFM1NCjg&sig2=O07RPlMHypkBHLhlIwCrUA
[12:29] <dr_willis> netcat tutorial ^^^^
[12:29] <dr_willis> :)
[12:29] <danish> i mean wat is option stand for
[12:29] <SlimeyPete> !danish
[12:29] <danish> yes mr SlimeyPete
[12:29] <Pici> danish: #ubuntu-dk
[12:29] <SlimeyPete> you might find #ubuntu-dk easier. We are struggling to understand you.
[12:30] <danish> thanxs
[12:30] <dr_willis> YouTube Netcat Tutorial --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhpyU9yXeRI   :)
[12:30] <dr_willis> what will people think of next!
[12:31] <dr_willis> Wow.. theres a Lot of netcat tutorials..
[12:32] <danish> but this is for window
[12:32] <danish> i m using ubuntu
[12:32] <dr_willis> its been PORTED to windows...
[12:33] <dr_willis> same options/stuff should apply to both os's
[12:33] <danish> cmd.exe
[12:33] <danish> wat i can write for this
[12:33] <dr_willis> You dont...
[12:34] <dr_willis> that gives you a shell in widnows.
[12:34] <danish> then
[12:34] <danish> yap
[12:34] <NutCracker> dr_willis, Still the same, when i try to change it to a higher resolution it just turns the monitor off.
[12:34] <danish> then wats a cmd
[12:34] <dr_willis> cmd.exe is the  command to get a TErminal under windows...  if you have a terminal open in linux.. then you allready got a teminal open...
[12:34] <danish> yes
[12:34] <danish> then wat i type
[12:35] <danish> for make a con
[12:35] <dr_willis> use any terminal progam under ubuntu you like..
[12:35] <Pici> danish: You need to read the manpage for netcat.
[12:35] <dr_willis> or use the console..
[12:35] <danish> hmmm
[12:35] <dr_willis> If you dont understand terminal basica.. you may want to start there..
[12:35] <dr_willis> !terminal
[12:35] <danish> will u tell me where i can find main page
[12:35] <danish> i do
[12:36] <dr_willis> 'man' pages are accessed with the man command. or the man kioslave, or other tools under kde
[12:36] <dr_willis> man COMMAND
[12:36] <danish> just plz tell me the cmd to connect a remote plz
[12:36] <danish> if u dont mind
[12:36] <danish> in terminal
[12:36] <dr_willis> connect what to a remote?
[12:37] <danish> nc to some1
[12:37] <dr_willis> read at  http://www.giac.org/certified_professionals/practicals/gsec/0436.php
[12:37] <dr_willis> it has examples of doing just that
[12:37] <danish> ooks
[12:38] <danish> thanxs
[12:38] <dr_willis> or read any of the 100+ netcat tutorials i just saw at google if you dont like that one.. or the one i posted earlier
[12:39] <danish> oks thank u vvvv much
[12:39] <fireboar> Guys, does anyone know where I can configure my default window decorator to be kwin?
[12:39] <danish> c u tommarro
[12:40] <danish> mr dr_willis and alls
[12:40] <danish> again thanxs
[12:40] <dr_willis> fireboar,  i tend to install/run that fusion-icon tool and use it. :)
[12:41] <fireboar> dr_willis: Hm, it wants to install some compiz stuff as dependencies.
[12:41] <fireboar> Eh, what the heck. Maybe this'll even make compiz work which would be even better.
[12:42] <dr_willis> install that ccsm tool while you are at it. :)
[12:42] <fireboar> ccsm?
[12:42] <fireboar> Oh.
[12:42] <dr_willis> !ccsm
[12:42] <fireboar> Compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:43] <dr_willis> compiz is such a headache.. :)
[12:44] <OxDeadC0de> is there a a way to force quit frozen apps after x seconds like in gnome in kde (Without console/killall or kill pid)?
[12:44] <fireboar> Ooh wow!
[12:44] <fireboar> Compiz is working on KDE for the first time ever in my experience!
[12:45] <OxDeadC0de> it works better in kde for me, I use the wallpaper plugin finally, couldn't ever do that in gnome without disable the desktop entirely
[12:45] <dr_willis> ive never noticed the wallpaper plugin doing anything. :)
[12:45] <dr_willis> some of these plugins really need better docs/help guides/info
[12:45] <OxDeadC0de> you have to open one of the .kde/ configuration files and change the desktop background color to 0,0,0,0 without an image on it
[12:46] <OxDeadC0de> by default it doesn't add the alpha value
[12:46] <dr_willis> and what does it do exactly?
[12:46] <OxDeadC0de> makes kde draw a transparent background so that the compiz background plugin comes through
[12:46] <OxDeadC0de> wallpaper sry
[12:48] <fireboar> Ack, multiple desktops not working or anything.
[12:48] <fireboar> This is going to take some work...
[12:49] <OxDeadC0de> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?s=a512579c93c28728db0d2ce767469277&t=7519 for wallpaper plugin
[12:51] <fireboar> Can anyone tell me how to configure multiple desktops to work with compiz?
[12:52] <OxDeadC0de> open ccsm, go to general settings, desktop size
[12:53] <fireboar> I have, but I can't change "number of desktops" to anything other than 1.
[12:53] <fireboar> Horizontal/Vertical virtual size can be changed...
[12:53] <fireboar> But not "Number of Desktops".
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> change horizontal virtual size to 4
[12:54] <fireboar> Okay... done that.
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> ok now you have 4 virtual desktops
[12:54] <fireboar> Oh yeah... so I do.
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> :)
[12:54] <fireboar> I guess the KDE pager isn't doing anything though.
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> mine works, try restarting kde
[12:54] <fireboar> Okay.
[12:54] <fireboar> BRB.
[12:55] <wsjunior> is it possible to preview images inside kmail?
[12:56] <fireboar> Ah, cool, that works.
[12:59] <fireboar> Oh, one more thing, I'm not getting notification sounds any more.
[12:59] <fireboar> Is it possible to have those sounds AND compiz?
[13:03] <fireboar> WOAH NELLY! Water effect... madness.
[13:07] <OxDeadC0de> I have no problems with sounds, check to make sure pulseaudio is running, check to make sure system settings/sound/ backend is set to xine, and that the volume is up
[13:07] <OxDeadC0de> ps -A | grep pulseaudio
[13:07] <fireboar> Pulseaudio? Nope, alsa for me.
[13:08] <OxDeadC0de> I love pulseaudio, have a 600mhz intel machine hooked to my wired network with my stereo set to the speakers, so I can stream music live over wifi from my laptop to my server and have all the sound come out big speakers
[13:08] <fireboar> Er... I just use the KDE default.
[13:08] <fireboar> Is it a faff to switch?
[13:09] <OxDeadC0de> umm, open system settings, click advanced, then autostart, add pulseaudio there with the command set to pulseaudio --realtime=true , then when you restart you can set the backend to xine and it should work
[13:09] <OxDeadC0de> (when you restart kde not the entire computer)
[13:10] <fireboar> Nothing in autostart, pulseaudio probably isn't installed.
[13:11] <OxDeadC0de> open a terminal window and try pulseaudio from there, what version are you running of ubuntu?
[13:11] <fireboar> Anyway...
[13:11] <fireboar> Kubuntu.
[13:11] <DarkCluchnik> hi
[13:11] <fireboar> 8.04
[13:11] <fireboar> Hardy.
[13:11] <fireboar> Sorry, that should all be on one line.
[13:11] <fireboar> Yep. I'm running alsa + arts.
[13:12] <fireboar> I'm getting notifications from - say - konversation.
[13:12] <DarkCluchnik> do you spik russian?
[13:12] <OxDeadC0de> oh then I don't know, I'm running 8.10, 8.04 had a lot of issues with pulseaudio
[13:12] <OxDeadC0de> english sorry
[13:12] <fireboar> But not from when windows do things. I guess that's because it's not kde window manager.
[13:12] <DarkCluchnik> bad =(
[13:12] <DarkCluchnik> exit
[13:12] <fireboar> I'll leave the sound system alone - I don't think it's that.
[13:13] <OxDeadC0de> oh I see, I don't know fireboar, maybe there's a plugin for compiz to do tha
[13:13] <fireboar> Okay, I'll have a lookie.
[13:23] <davide__> aiuto ho un problema con kubuntu
[13:23] <davide__> chi mi aiuta?
[13:24] <genii> !es | davide__
[13:24] <davide__> help
[13:24] <davide__> problem visiting http://a2.pluto.it/
[13:26] <jeppe> Hello! :)
[13:27] <jeppe> Anyone know if it's possible to get back data deleted with shift+del?
[13:30] <noaXess> can i mount a cd/dvd image with mount or is there any other command for that?
[13:33] <ardchoille> noaXess: you can mount a .iso file, yes
[13:35] <ardchoille> don't remember how I used to do it tho, "man mount" might be of some help
[13:35] <noaXess> ardchoille: ok.. hm.. it's not an iso.. sorry.. it's a bin file.. with a cue file.. in k3b i can read it, but can't mount it with mount..
[13:35] <ardchoille> oh, no idea about those files
[13:36] <jeppe> Anyone that knows if its possible to recreate deleted pictures?
[13:38] <Tobbytus> rt?
[13:38] <jeppe> rt? :s
[13:39] <jussi01> !iso | noaXess
[13:39] <noaXess> jussi01: its not a iso, sorry, it's a bin file.. from a windows cd-image tool, alcohol 12%
[13:40] <noaXess> 120% ^
[13:40] <DarkTan> ! samba
[13:40] <jussi01> noaXess: please read that wiki page...
[13:41] <noaXess> aha :) see :)
[13:41] <jussi01> :)
[13:43] <noaXess> jussi01: ok bin2iso will be my choice.. but the web ist down ;(
[13:43] <jussi01> :(
[13:44] <jeppe> Anyone know if it's possible to get back data deleted with shift+del?
[13:46] <noaXess> jussi01: found another tool :) http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[13:46] <noaXess> emualting cd drives under linux
[13:46] <DarkTan> how do i view other computers on my network?
[13:46] <Tm_T> jeppe: no unless you know what you're doing, IIRC
[13:46] <Tm_T> jeppe: reilu meininki jne
[13:48] <jeppe> Tm_T, and how do i get that knowledge?
[13:48] <||arifaX> noaXess: you should use https://launchpad.net/~cdemu/+archive and use the apt source.list.entries
[13:49] <noaXess> DarkTan: smb4k
[13:49] <noaXess> jussi01: also for hardy?
[13:49] <noaXess> ah yes :) sorry.. first look then ask ;)
[13:49] <DarkTan> ! smb4k
[13:50] <DarkTan> what is smb4k?
[13:51] <genii> DarkTan: It's a Samba share browser
[13:51] <noaXess> !smb4k
[13:51] <noaXess> wow :)
[13:51] <noaXess> wait
[13:51] <DarkTan> how do i get it?
[13:52] <genii> DarkTan: It is in the repositories
[13:52] <DarkTan> k
[13:52] <genii> noaXess: You needed the !info part before <packagename>
[13:53] <noaXess> aha .. is that new?
[13:53] <noaXess> !info smb4k
[13:53]  * DarkTan learns something new
[13:53] <genii> noaXess: Not new :)
[13:56] <DarkTan> ok, having a problem accessing my shared files
[13:56] <DarkTan> it is a problem that my username on the windows box has a space in it?
[13:56] <genii> Probably
[13:57] <DarkTan> bleh
[13:57] <DarkTan> ok, guess i'll have to make another admin account on it
[14:00] <antoranz> Hi, Guys!
[14:00] <antoranz> I'm on intrepid
[14:00] <antoranz> and I have set up compiz
[14:01] <genii> antoranz: Congratulations! Support of Intrepid is in #ubuntu+1
[14:01] <antoranz> K... will take a look there
[14:01] <antoranz> as the launch iis so close (in two days) I thought you would talk about intrepid two.,
[14:02] <antoranz> anyways.... I'll go there.. thanks.
[14:03] <genii> antoranz: Also if it involves Compiz, there may be help for you in #compiz-fusion
[14:03] <antoranz> thanks, man!
[14:04] <genii> antoranz: Anytime
[14:05] <jussi01> noaXess: I just saw this on my feed reader, you might want to have a look: http://www.linux.com/feature/150995
[14:06] <noaXess> jussi01: wow cool tool
[14:06] <mabo1> Hi to everyone! How can I uninstall kde e reinstall it again ?
[14:06] <jussi01> :)
[14:07] <genii> mabo1: 3.5 or 4 ?
[14:08] <angelo_> ciao a tutti
[14:08] <genii> !it | angelo_
[14:08] <angelo_> c'è qualcuno che parli o capisca l'italiano?
[14:08] <angelo_> ho un problema forse stupido
[14:08] <angelo_> chi mi aiuta?
[14:08] <genii> !it | angelo_
[14:08] <mabo1> genii: I don't know
[14:09] <angelo_> grazie ubottu
[14:09] <angelo_> bye bye
[14:10] <genii> mabo1: Right-click Kmenu ...Panel Menu... Help ...About KDE
[14:10] <genii> (although I cannot recall if 4 has this)
[14:11] <mabo1> genii: 3.5.9
[14:13] <genii> mabo1: Then if login to console only from login window and:  sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop                           to uninstall and reinstall it. Then to go back to gui login window would be:  exit
[14:13] <genii> mabo1: This will not remove personal settings of kde which are in your home directory, so that you know
[14:14] <mabo1> really thank u genii
[14:14] <mabo1> :D
[14:15] <genii> mabo1: You're welcome
[14:15] <mabo1> genii: but maybe I installed a theme for kde 4 into kde3 and know I have problems to startx
[14:15] <jimmy51_> what should i use for nightly backups over the network
[14:16] <jimmy51_> ?
[14:16] <genii> mabo1: Then you would want also to remove directory: ~/.kde           (or rename it)
[14:16] <||arifaX> jimmy51_: backup-manager
[14:17] <genii> jimmy51_: There are different schools of thought on the subject. Many use rsync, others use such things as bacula or backup-manager       or so on
[14:17] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: is that a package?
[14:17] <||arifaX> jimmy51_: yep!
[14:17] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: does it allow for a file by file restore?
[14:17] <mabo1> thx genii
[14:18] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: as in... could i open the archive with some kind of browser, work my way through a file tree, select a file, and restore?
[14:18] <||arifaX> it zips your files and can send it via ssh or ftp or whatever.
[14:18] <||arifaX> jimmy51_: any zip-opener should be able to do that
[14:18] <jimmy51_> ah
[14:19] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: does it do differential backups?
[14:19] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: so every night doesn't have a 50GB archive if only 1 GB has changed...
[14:19] <metbsd> hi i dled intrepid-dvd-i386.iso, can i squeeze it to 2G usb stick so i can run kde4?
[14:23] <Noobstyle> Hi
[14:24] <Noobstyle> Can anyone help me with a disk problem?
[14:24] <SlimeyPete> !ask
[14:24] <SlimeyPete> :)
[14:25] <Noobstyle> Ok i have dividied my 250gb hdd into 3 partitions. 1=Filesystem, 2= swap, 3=200gb storage, i dont know where to mount number 3.
[14:26] <Noobstyle> 1= Mounted in /     ofcourse. Where to mount other?
[14:26] <SlimeyPete>  /home is the usual place to put it
[14:26] <SlimeyPete> so that your personal files end up on that partition
[14:27] <Noobstyle> now i cant open dolphin
[14:28] <Noobstyle> and the files i were downloading to my desktop i cant access
[14:31] <||arifaX> jimmy51_: you should maybe read about a package and make your own mind. I will help but not provide an end solution, thats your job in case of backups
[14:31] <jimmy51_> ||arifaX: hehe, ok.  thanks for not letting me be TOO lazy :)
[14:34] <DarkTan> ok, smb4k keeps giving me "permission denied" errors when i am giving the correct password and user name
[14:38] <noobstyle> That didnt work well
[14:38] <batcoder-7> how do you guys like KDE 4 ?
[14:38] <noobstyle> i messed up everything. Couldnt continue downloads or open dolpin or anything
[14:40] <noobstyle> i dont remember who helped me :D? where are you ?;)
[14:40] <SlimeyPete> me
[14:40] <SlimeyPete> and...erm... I assumed you were in the middle of installing
[14:40] <noobstyle> ok
[14:41] <noobstyle> no
[14:41] <noobstyle> im not :P i have installed
[14:41] <noobstyle> and now sda1 is /
[14:41] <DarkTan> how do i open dolphin with root access?
[14:41] <noobstyle> sda 2 is swap
[14:41] <noobstyle> and i need to get sda3 working as a storage for movies etc etc
[14:41] <jussi01> DarkTan: kdesudo dolphin
[14:41] <DarkTan> mount sda3 to /files
[14:41] <jussi01> be careful though.
[14:41] <DarkTan> just need to fiddle with one folder
[14:42] <SlimeyPete> noobstyle: oh right, I see
[14:42] <DarkTan> and empty one at that
[14:42] <noobstyle> DarkTan talking to me?
[14:42] <SlimeyPete> yeah, just switch sda3 to /media/storage or /files or something - it doesn't really matter as long as it's a directory which exists
[14:42] <pipetux> español
[14:42] <SlimeyPete> though you may have to fiddle with permissions
[14:42] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[14:43] <pipetux> tiernen vnc para kubuntu?
[14:44] <jussi01> pipetux: only english in here please
[14:44] <noobstyle> hmm so now i mounted sda3 in /media/storage and opened the folder but i cant create new folders in there?
[14:45]  * SlimeyPete wonders if there's a factoid for mounting stuff
[14:45] <SlimeyPete> !mount
[14:45] <genii> noobstyle: The default username needs a folder in that mount which belongs to them
[14:46] <noobstyle> hmm i dont understand
[14:46] <noobstyle> sda1 = /                 - sda3 = /media/storage/
[14:46] <noobstyle> still cant create folders in storage folder
[14:47] <genii> noobstyle: If username for instance is "joe" then:      sudo mkdir /media/storage/joe && sudo chown -R joe:joe /media/storage/joe
[14:47] <genii> noobstyle: Then "joe" can put whatever he wants in that folder with his name
[14:48] <noobstyle> my username is marc
[14:48] <genii> noobstyle: Then substitute accordingly
[14:48] <noobstyle> so:
[14:48] <noobstyle> sudo mkdir /media/storage/marc && sudo chown -R marc:marc /media/storage/marc                in konsole ?
[14:48] <genii> noobstyle: Yes
[14:50] <noobstyle> is says "file exist
[14:51] <noobstyle> but know i theres a folder called marc
[14:51] <noobstyle> and i can make folders now! ty
[14:51] <genii> noobstyle: Is this the same partition you tried to mount before as /home           because if so then a directory with the username might be there already then
[14:51] <noobstyle> yes it is the same
[14:52] <noobstyle> but the /media/storage/marc has just been created
[14:52] <genii> noobstyle: OK
[14:52] <noobstyle> genii: There is a marc in /home/marc and in /media/storage/marc
[14:53] <noobstyle> so it seems to work :) thank you
[14:53] <genii> noobstyle: Good. I was worried for a moment you had accidentally remounted /home where your normal stuff is to the other place.
[14:53] <genii> noobstyle: You're welcome
[14:54] <alexander_> Hallo jemand da der mir hilfe leisten kann?
[14:54] <genii> !de | alexander_
[14:55] <noobstyle> sec i upload picture you can see
[14:55] <noobstyle> can you by the way tell me why the same programs running when i close my pc starts with it again?
[14:56] <genii> noobstyle: This is set under Sessions Manager of the System Settings. You can have it remember or not, as you like
[14:57] <noobstyle> hmm
[14:57] <[|Liam|]> How do i run a shellscript, i double click it but nothing happens.
[14:57] <noobstyle> cant find it.. running danish language
[14:58] <[|Liam|]> !da
[14:58] <[|Liam|]> that channel might be better for you, noobstyle.
[14:58] <noobstyle> thnka
[14:58] <noobstyle> thnka
[14:58] <noobstyle> thanks
[14:59] <jjdiamond> is knetattach part of a package?
[14:59] <[|Liam|]> genii: Any idea how to run a shellscript?
[14:59] <[|Liam|]> double clicking it and no result
[14:59] <jjdiamond> i can't seem to remove it on it's own
[15:02] <alexander_> Hello, can someone help me? i cant install firefox
[15:03] <cseri> ciao
[15:03] <cseri> uhm
[15:04] <Guest70256>  pfskgf
[15:04] <Bauldrick> Guest70256: dsvuv !
[15:04] <[|Liam|]> !fi
[15:05] <Bauldrick> [|Liam|]: run shellscript from terminal?   ./shellscriptname
[15:08] <genii> [|Liam|]: Usually something like:   sudo chmod +x scriptname          then:  ./scriptname
[15:12] <jjdiamond> is knetattach part of a package install?
[15:13] <genii> jjdiamond: It's part of the base kde installation
[15:15] <zerothis> I finally got a 2nd monitor working, somewhat, using my USB2VGA. But, I have to 'yank' my cursor to change monitors. I cannot drag windows between them. grandr does not see the USB adapter. xrandr only sees the monitor I run it from and does not name the USB adapter (how do I xrandr it specifically?). xorg is manually edited. I have pastebins of everything.
[15:19] <metbsd> my kubuntu dvd doesn't boot, it's intrepid-dvd-i386.iso
[15:20] <zerothis> DVD? they make kubuntu DVDs?
[15:21] <Tm_T> sure
[15:28] <jjdiamond> genii:  how can i remove it?
[15:28] <genii> jjdiamond: You can't
[15:29] <jjdiamond> genii: so it's a default package, per se?
[15:30] <metbsd> is there usb boot image stick  so i can boot it and load live dvd
[15:33] <bazhang> !usb | metbsd
[15:33] <bazhang> metbsd, not sure about dvd though
[15:33] <sori>  	
[15:33] <sori> Who says you why this is my message
[15:33] <sori> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/ var / lib / dpkg /), are you root?
[15:33] <sori> @ suns-user desktop: ~ $
[15:34] <bazhang> sori, use sudo
[15:34] <Alcapond> Hi - I just graded up to kubuntu 8.10 rc (from 8.4, KDE4) - now I lost most of my icons (just stupid icons are shown at most places), and my kontact only has old mails, and looks very kde3ish... Any help on these issues?
[15:34] <bazhang> !ibex | Alcapond
[15:34] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that Alcapond
[15:35] <Alcapond> ok thx!
[15:35] <zerothis> Alcapond: I have expeienced that before. it seemed to correct itself as I manually ran things
[15:35] <sori> 	
[15:35] <sori> Please let me help .. who want to install a web servar
[15:36] <Alcapond> zerothis: ok, I will wait and see :)
[15:36] <Alcapond> Thx
[15:36] <sori> and not really know the commands
[15:37] <sori> so I help someone
[15:37] <bazhang> sori, you have server version or desktop version
[15:38] <bazhang> !lamp | sori
[15:38] <sori> apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5
[15:38] <bazhang> sori, please read that link
[15:39] <sori> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server
[15:40] <sori> 	
[15:40] <sori> are the new world of Linux
[15:40] <sori> Who can enter the PC-u to solve my problem
[15:41] <sori> so little help?
[15:42] <bazhang> sori, did you read the link I gave you?
[15:42] <sori> 	
[15:42] <sori> no
[15:42] <bazhang> hmm
[15:42] <sori>  	
[15:42] <sori> But now read
[15:50] <Alcapond> how can I restart the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu 8.10?
[15:51] <bazhang> Alcapond, restart? you mean the download?
[15:51] <mndo> sori, run tasksel and choose lamp server..
[15:52] <Alcapond> bazhang: well initially there was a pop-up asking me somethign about restricted drivers - becaus my keyboard layout was still wrong I messed up the sudo pwd - now I do not know where to start it agein
[15:52] <bazhang> Alcapond, just try to dl it again
[15:52] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:52] <Alcapond> bazhang: is there a package?
[15:53] <Alcapond> a
[15:53] <Alcapond> ah
[15:53] <bazhang> Alcapond, when you get to the license agreement hit tab to reach ok then hit enter
[15:54] <Alcapond> bazhang: Thx!
[15:54] <bazhang> Alcapond, further questions in #ubuntu+1 for the next 48 hours please :)
[15:54] <Alcapond> no licence agreement around...
[15:54] <Alcapond> ok
[15:55] <ross__> .
[15:57] <rosco_y> .
[16:06] <rosco_y> What is the "Auto-Identify" option in Konversation?
[16:08] <genii> rosco_y: You can use it to auto send your password to the nickserv for instance
[16:09] <rosco_y> genii: what do you enter for the server value?
[16:09] <jussi01> rosco_y: its better to just use your nick serv password in the server password box
[16:10] <jussi01> that way you auto identify before joining channels
[16:10] <rosco_y> ok, I'll give it whirl, Thanks!
[16:15] <rosco_y> .
[16:17] <ign0ramus> Don
[16:17] <ign0ramus> woops
[16:18] <ign0ramus> Don't know if everyone has been told yet, but Crossover (the app like Wine, only better) is free for today only! http://down.codeweavers.com/
[16:20] <White_Pelican> ign0ramus, I've never heard of it, what is it and why is it better than wine?
[16:21] <ign0ramus> !crossover
[16:21] <rosco_y> Something I don't understand, are the forums on irc.freenode.net available here in irc.ubuntu.com (i.e. /join #mysql will take me to the same forum from either server?)
[16:22] <ign0ramus> White_Pelican: it does the same thing (API compatibility), but you can run just about anything in CrossOver (including many Windows games)
[16:22] <rosco_y> It almost seems like #mysql is a universal address in some sense
[16:22] <White_Pelican> that's helpful :)
[16:22] <ign0ramus> White_Pelican: I'd direct you to their web site, but they're getting hammered right now ;-)
[16:23] <White_Pelican> what's different about the linux one and the linux game one?
[16:23] <White_Pelican> I know
[16:23] <White_Pelican> I visited them :)
[16:23] <rosco_y> is there an irc channel?
[16:23] <rosco_y> easy enough to find out I guess...:/
[16:23] <ign0ramus> wikipedia entry for CrossOver: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossOver
[16:24] <genii> rosco_y: irc.ubuntu.com just actually ends up on the freenode system so the channels are identical
[16:24] <rosco_y> genii: Thanks, is this a large coincidence, or is this quite regular?
[16:25] <genii> rosco_y: It is by design.
[16:25] <rosco_y> genii: what about gimp.net, is that also on freenode?
[16:25] <ign0ramus> White_Pelican: i just installed pro, and it has compatibility layers for Photoshop, MS Office (helpful if you're on an Exchange server), Quicken, Shockwave, etc
[16:26] <ign0ramus> White_Pelican: I think the gaming version has compatibiltiy layers for directx
[16:26] <White_Pelican> what if I do Windows games and regular programs?
[16:27] <genii> rosco_y: irc.gimp.org is not on the freenode system
[16:27] <genii> rosco_y:  However, there is a #gimp   channel here
[16:28] <rosco_y> :) thank you again
[16:28] <genii> rosco_y: No problem
[16:35] <Nitro`> d
[16:46] <Zharf> hi again
[16:46] <Zharf> I finally managed to get kubuntu installed <.<
[16:46] <genii> Zharf: Ah, nice :)
[16:46] <Zharf> anyway, two problems so far
[16:46] <genii> Zharf: What method did you eventually use that succeeded?
[16:46] <Zharf> genii, found myself a new blank CD
[16:47] <genii> Heh
[16:47] <Zharf> anyway
[16:47] <Zharf> X autodetects that 800x600 is maximum resolution <.<
[16:48] <Zharf> the monitor should support 1280x1024 at 75-85 refresh rate
[16:48] <Zharf> and voodoo 3 should support up to who knows what (but a lot more than 800x600 :)
[16:49] <genii> Hmm
[16:49] <DarkTan> what option do i have for remote controling kubuntu? preferably a remote desktop sort of app
[16:49] <dand> hi
[16:50] <Zharf> DarkTan, vnc?
[16:50] <dand> does anyone use a canon pixma ip1200 printer on linux?
[16:50] <rickest> DarkTan: vnc on a high-speed LAN, nx for slower connections
[16:50] <DarkTan> vnc?
[16:50] <DarkTan> say over the net
[16:51] <Zharf> rickest, vnc works ok with 1Mbps connection :)
[16:51] <rickest> Zharf: it does but nx still blows it away performance-wise, just a little harder to set up.  I use both
[16:51] <DarkTan> can i use these from a windows comp across the internet?
[16:51] <Zharf> DarkTan, vnc at least you can
[16:52] <rickest> DarkTan: yes.  vnc is much easier to get working
[16:52] <DarkTan> ok, how do i get it?
[16:53] <rickest> apt-get install tightvncserver xtightvncviewer
[16:53] <rickest> or use adept or whatever pkg mgt tool you prefer
[16:53] <rickest> google 'tightvnc' to find the windows equivalent
[16:53] <DarkTan> ok was just going to ask that
[16:53] <rickest> hopefully you didn't really need to
[16:53] <Zharf> hmm
[16:54] <DarkTan> server goes on the computer i want to log in to right? or do i need both?
[16:54] <rickest> yes, server on machine connecting to
[16:54] <mouser-> rickest: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html Windows executables included there.
[17:00] <DarkTan> i will figure that part out later
[17:00] <DarkTan> thx
[17:05]  * Zharf really doesn't feel like writing an X config...
[17:06] <Zharf> also I can't seem to get my kubuntu to be in finnish
[17:08] <jussi01> Zharf: you could come join us in #kubuntu-fi :)
[17:09] <Zharf> jussi01, I'm not really going to be using this, just installing it for someone else
[17:09] <corigo> command line to install a deb package?
[17:09] <Zharf> I would never use a finnish system
[17:09] <jussi01> corigo: sudo dpkg -i packagename
[17:09] <Darthfrog> corigo: sudo dpkg -i <deb file name>
[17:09] <Zharf> this stupid knetworkdamager doesn't allow me to manually set configuration for my network
[17:10] <Zharf> I guess I'll do it in the old fashioned way then
[17:11] <pronoy_> uh...kopete doesn't have the facility of using gtalk ?? I couldn't find that client...neither this or xmpp....
[17:12] <mouser-> pronoy_: I don't know about Kopete, but Pidgin can use gtalk.
[17:13] <pronoy_> mouser-: pidgin doesn't feel right on kde :) ....and the icon in the sys tray...its totally screwed
[17:14] <Zharf> any hints on how to get this thing support 1280x1024 resolution
[17:15] <mouser-> Zharf: Is the resolution not selectable?
[17:16] <Zharf> mouser-, it isn't
[17:17] <rosco_y> how do you see a DVD in Dolphin?
[17:17] <corigo> command line un gzip?
[17:21] <mouser-> Zharf: What resolution is it at now?
[17:21] <Zharf> 800x600
[17:21] <Zharf> @60Hz...
[17:22] <Darthfrog> !dvd | rosco_y
[17:23] <rosco_y> ubottu: thanks
[17:23] <linuxlover> in KTorrent : seeders 5(11) and Leechers 25(49) are showing. I know who are the seeders and who are the Leechers. But what are the numbers meant for outside the braces and inside the braces?
[17:24] <Zharf> connected(in swarm)
[17:24] <mouser-> Zharf: I had that problem when I used the first version of Ubuntu, but not since.  If I remember correctly, the answer is to comment out all the high resolutions in the xorg.conf file.
[17:24] <White_Pelican> I think the number outside the brackets means who you are connected to
[17:24] <Zharf> mouser-, xorg.conf is fully automatic nowadays
[17:25] <Darthfrog> Ubuntu has changed X configuration on its head. Xorg.conf is pretty much meaningless these days.  And I've not figured the new system out yet.  I'm back to the days of waving a dead chicken at it.
[17:26] <mouser-> Zharf: Ah. I haven't had the need to mess with it recently, except to enable some things for my laptop.  If you don't get a response here, you might want to try #ubuntu as well.
[17:26] <linuxlover> ok White_Pelican for your answer, thank you.
[17:26] <Zharf> mouser-, yea I'll just have to figure out a channel to leave from first, stupid channel limit :>
[17:27] <White_Pelican> yvw
[17:27] <mouser-> Zharf: Good luck!
[17:28]  * Zharf tries the other monitor..
[17:28] <Zharf> well'
[17:28] <Zharf> the few of them that I have
[17:29] <jimmy51_> i asked this the other day but lost the answer.... how do i force an update of all packages?
[17:29] <jimmy51_> something && apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:30] <vonkleist> jimmy51_, apt-get update ?
[17:30] <genii> jimmy51_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:30] <White_Pelican> sounds good to me
[17:31] <jimmy51_> ah, ok that's it
[17:31] <jimmy51_> the system has some unmet dependencies (failed while adept was updating)
[17:34] <zyrian> Hi
[17:35] <gothicsatan187>  Hi, i'm currently running Ubuntu, and i want to go to Kubuntu, at the download page, it says "Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer."  does that mean checking the box gives me a graphical installer, or the text based one?
[17:35] <zyrian> Someone think if this work?
[17:35] <zyrian> Text based
[17:35] <gothicsatan187> kk, Thanx :)
[17:35] <zyrian> :)
[17:36] <genii> gothicsatan187: Why not instead just:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:36] <mouser-> gothicsatan187: But if you're currently running Ubuntu, all you need to d/l is kubuntu-desktop
[17:36] <genii> gothicsatan187: For kde4 the packagename would be kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[17:36] <gothicsatan187> well, mostly cause i'm testing out which i'll put on my main, so if i already have the disc, i can just install to the other box
[17:37] <Zharf> mouser-, "fixed"
[17:37] <gothicsatan187> well, Cheers, bbiab
[17:37] <Zharf> mouser-, since I have voodoo 3 2000 anyway, I'm not doing much with the "3D" features of the card, so I switched to vesa driver and now it works :)
[17:38] <mouser-> Zharf: Good to hear!  :)
[17:38] <Zharf> now just to figure out how to make this system finnish
[17:39] <zyrian> Someone think if this work? #! /usr/bin/bash   compiz --replace emerald saved as compiz.sh
[17:39] <Zharf> and set automatic login
[17:39] <corigo> how to install a tgz file?
[17:39] <corigo> (from)
[17:40] <genii> corigo: Did you already search the package manager for the thing you are trying to install, and not find it?
[17:41] <Darthfrog> jimmy51_: You might need to run "sudo apt-get -f install" firsty.
[17:41] <Darthfrog> first. :-)
[17:41] <corigo> Aye, yes I did. XnView is not available other than by download from the xite
[17:41] <Zharf> how do I enable automatic login in kdm config, it just says "attention, read help" in red but I can't find anything in the config to enable it... the options in the config thingie are disabled so I can't set or unset them
[17:41] <jimmy51_> Darthfrog: what will that do?  force installation of dependencies?
[17:41] <Zharf> oh wait
[17:41] <Darthfrog> Zharf: You'll have to enter Administrator mode.
[17:41] <Zharf> Darthfrog, yea I just figured that.. how?
[17:42] <Darthfrog> jimmy51_: No, it'll try to clean up any mess left behind from the previous attempt.
[17:42] <Darthfrog> jimmy51_: So you can proceed.
[17:42] <Darthfrog> Zharf: Isn't there a button on the bottom of the page?
[17:42] <Zharf> Darthfrog, what page?
[17:43] <Darthfrog> Zharf: Aren't you in System Settings/Advanced/Login?
[17:43] <Zharf> nope
[17:43] <Darthfrog> Hint, hint.
[17:52] <Zharf> so how on earth do I enter administrator mode
[17:54] <Darthfrog> Zharf: Aren't you in System Settings/Advanced/Login?
[17:54] <Zharf> yes
[17:54] <Darthfrog> Didn't you have to enter your password to get there?
[17:55] <Zharf> no
[17:55] <Zharf> everything is just disabled
[17:55] <Darthfrog> Really?  Hmm,  I did in Intrepid.
[17:55] <Zharf> this is hardy kde4 remix
[17:55] <Darthfrog> Are there any buttons on the bottom of the page?
[17:56] <Darthfrog> You're using KDM, right?  Not GDM?
[17:56] <Zharf> yes
[17:56] <Zharf> clickable buttons are help and default :)
[17:57] <Darthfrog> Even on the Convenience tab?
[17:58] <jussi01> Zharf: are you on the remix only, not the ppa?
[17:58] <Zharf> what's ppa?
[17:58] <jussi01> Zharf: how did you install?
[17:58] <Zharf> jussi01, got the remix image from the website, put it on cd and install
[17:59] <jussi01> Zharf: ok, go to #kubuntu-kde4 and read the topic, have a read of the link there
[17:59] <jussi01> the remix is _ancient_ without that
[18:00]  * genii hands out a round of coffees
[18:04] <marc> hello
[18:04] <marc> i would like to set up a streaming web cam server
[18:04] <marc> advise please???
[18:04] <Zharf> whoa, ppa server iis slow
[18:06] <webas> hello.. can anyone tell me how to disable that option.. - imagine you loaded firefox..and then you put mouse over it, in kmenu, the small "stuff" comes out..i really want to disable it because my pc freezes after that..
[18:07] <marc> i tried camorama but it is not a real streaming webserver
[18:10] <genii> !info webcam-server
[18:11] <genii> marc: You may also be able to use zoneminder which is for surveillance system but could be adapted easily
[18:11] <webas> hello.. can anyone tell me how to disable that option.. - imagine you loaded firefox..and then you put mouse over it, in kmenu, the small "stuff" comes out..i really want to disable it because my pc freezes after that..
[18:12] <marc> zoneminder, i'll check that out
[18:12] <marc> is it difficult to install?
[18:14] <genii> marc: Here is a page showing install of webcam-server: http://www.linux.com/feature/126186     Here is a page detailing zoneminder install: http://www.howtoforge.com/video_surveillance_zoneminder_ubuntu
[18:14] <genii> marc: You might want to try webcam-server first since it's simpler
[18:17] <marc> thnx
[18:17] <ljuwaidah> hi
[18:18] <ljuwaidah> Juwaidah Jedai :P
[18:20] <ljuwaidah> Jargon Jar
[18:20] <ljuwaidah> Julaku Jerimah
[18:20] <ljuwaidah> :|
[18:20] <ljuwaidah> Jamindo Jatri
[18:21] <ljuwaidah> Jumpa Jimron
[18:21] <ljuwaidah> Jeroli Jagoo
[18:21] <mouser-> ljuwaidah: Trying to think up names for the next release?
[18:22] <Zharf> jussi01, looks more promising now
[18:22] <ljuwaidah> Well, the pattern is pretty tempting
[18:22] <dennister> hey channel, somehow the only user's home partition got hosed, so I went into recovery mode to do an adduser, but I'm told adduser, while in /usr/sbin, is not in root's path...anyone got a cli line to fix this?
[18:22] <Tm_T> ljuwaidah: whatever it is, don't do here
[18:22] <jussi01> Zharf: :)
[18:22] <Zharf> it just takes ages for the login manager settings to start up
[18:22]  * Zharf yawns
[18:22] <Zharf> I wonder if I should hunt for some more memory for this thing
[18:23] <Zharf> bah, there's still 90M free!
[18:23] <ljuwaidah> jackin jack, hahahaha
[18:23] <mouser-> ljuwaidah: This is a support channel, you may have a more receptive crowd in #kubuntu-offtopic, but I would encourage you to put it on one or two lines.
[18:23] <ljuwaidah> jumpin john :P
[18:24] <DarkSmoke> LoL @ ljuwaidah clown
[18:24] <Zharf> jussi01, I'll take that back
[18:24] <ljuwaidah> i haven't thought these through so i can't put them all in one or two lines
[18:24] <ljuwaidah> but i'll mention them there
[18:25] <dennister> anyone know how to add a /usr/sbin command to root's path?
[18:25] <Darthfrog> dennister: "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin"
[18:26] <dennister> Darthfrog: thank you
[18:27] <Darthfrog> dennister: Might be easier to just give the full path when you issue the command.
[18:28] <Zharf> jussi01, now to get this system to be in finnish and everything would be okay for now
[18:34] <jimmy51_> are nvidia riva tnt2 cards still supported?
[18:34] <jimmy51_> and if so, how do i get 3d working?  it's saying there aren't any proprietary drivers available
[18:34] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: nvidia-glx-legacy
[18:34] <Tm_T> if even that though
[18:35] <jimmy51_> ah, ok
[18:35] <jimmy51_> glx info says direct rendering: yes
[18:40] <webas> can anyone help >
[18:42] <genii> webas: System Settings ...Desktop ... Behaviour... uncheck box called "Show Tooltips"
[18:43] <jimmy51_> Tm_T: i'm not seeing that in the apt-cache, even with multiverse enabled
[18:43] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: in hardy?
[18:43] <jimmy51_> Tm_T: where can i download that?
[18:43] <jimmy51_> Tm_T: kubuntu 8.10
[18:44] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: let me think...
[18:44] <Tm_T> !ibex | jimmy51_
[18:44] <Darthfrog> jimmy51_: If you have direct rendering, what more are you expecting?
[18:44] <jimmy51_> hehe
[18:44] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: also...
[18:44] <Tm_T> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[18:45] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: actually its mentioned in topic also
[18:45] <jimmy51_> Darthfrog: it still looks like crap... like software rendering
[18:46] <Darthfrog> jimmy51_: what does "server glx vendor string" say in glxinfo?
[18:47] <jimmy51_> Darthfrog: SGI
[18:47] <eduardo> algun  español listo?
[18:47] <Darthfrog> Not Mesa?  Sounds like it's not software rendering.
[18:47] <Tm_T> !es | eduardo
[18:47] <webas> genii i cant find system setings :D
[18:47] <genii> Tm_T: Thanks
[18:48] <jimmy51_> ok, this card must just be too old to look good in the latest and greatest kde
[18:48] <genii> webas: If you have kde4 ask them in #kubuntu-kde4 how to turn off Tooltips
[18:48] <webas> thanks
[19:25] <zyrian> Someone think if this work? #! /usr/bin/bash   compiz --replace emerald saved as compiz.sh
[19:26] <genii> That won't work
[19:38] <zyrian> Why @genii??
[19:39] <dennister> genii: hi there :)
[19:40] <dennister> question: have a new re-build scheduled to go out the door tonight; after every reboot fsck has to be run manually on /home partition...any idea what might be causing this?
[19:40] <zanberdo> I've just upgraded to kernel 2.6.24-21 and find that my nvidia driver is not loading.  I see no error messages in Xorg.0.log yet when I boot back to 2.6.24-19 the nvidia driver loads as expected.  I am *not* using drivers external to ubuntu: that is, I've installed nvidia-glx-new via apt-get and have not installed the latest nvidia binaries (which I know would necessitate my rebuilding my kernel). Anyone else have this issue?
[19:43] <dennister> zanberdo: not me
[19:59] <portal> how can i automount my hard drive?
[20:01] <W_S> with /ets/fstab
[20:01] <portal> ???
 col: auto
[20:02] <Darthfrog> !fstab
[20:02] <Darthfrog> portal: Investigate /etc/fstab.
[20:02] <portal> ok thks
[20:45] <illya> bonsoir
[20:46] <W_S> privet
[20:46] <illya> bingo W_S
[20:53] <ardchoille> What is the command to perform something in terminal and have the normal terminal output plus a text file with the same output? Kind of a log for later use
[20:55] <SSJ_GZ> tee
[20:55] <SSJ_GZ> ardchoille: ^
[20:55] <GothicSatan|AFK> lol, how do you turn the menubar back on in the terminal window?
[20:56] <SSJ_GZ> GothicSatan|AFK: Right-click -> Show Menubar
[20:56] <ardchoille> SSJ_GZ: Ah, I should have known that. Thank you :)
[20:56]  * GothicSatan|AFK is a genius :P
[20:56] <GothicSatan|AFK> lol
[20:56] <GothicSatan|AFK> thanx
[20:56] <SSJ_GZ> np
[20:57] <SSJ_GZ> np
[20:58] <Fazer2> hi, what are good-looking themes for KDE?
[20:59] <favro> !themes
[21:01] <Fazer2> thanks'
[21:07] <GothicSatan187> Okay
[21:08] <GothicSatan187> i'm tryin to install xmms, and at the end of the ./configure i get this error message... Checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X Includes. Pleast check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[21:09] <ardchoille> GothicSatan187: I'm on Hardy and xmms2 is in the repos
[21:09] <GothicSatan187> o.O
[21:09] <GothicSatan187> maybe that's why i couldn't find it in the sudo apt-get xmms install
[21:10] <ardchoille> xmms is old and unmaintained so it was dropped from the repos
[21:10] <ardchoille> GothicSatan187: apt-cache search --names-only xmms2
[21:11] <GothicSatan187> it's there.
[21:11] <ardchoille> you will want xmms2-client-cli too
[21:12] <GothicSatan187> is that not included with the original package?
[21:12] <GothicSatan187> don't mind me for beein n00bish
[21:12] <ardchoille> I'm not sure, I only mentioned it because someone else suggested the same thing a few days ago
[21:12] <GothicSatan187> Ahh
[21:13] <GothicSatan187> so, just to make sure, i want to type "sudo apt-get xmms2 install" ?
[21:13] <Persephone> Everyone was once a noob
[21:13] <Persephone> lol
[21:13] <GothicSatan187> lol
[21:13] <favro> !lol
[21:14] <ardchoille> GothicSatan187: sudo apt-get install xmms2
[21:15] <GothicSatan187> Thanks.
[21:15] <ardchoille> yw
[21:17] <GothicSatan187> it ended in ldconfig deferred processing now taking place  and i'm back to the input line
[21:20] <ardchoille> GothicSatan187: I'm sorry, I didn't answer your original questions, you probably need xserver-xorg-dev or some such
[21:26] <ubuntu_> hi
[21:28] <ubuntu_> Now I am installing kubuntu 8.10rc. But in the partition menu I have a question. I have already a /home partition with data. To use this partition Should I choose use as <my actual filesystem> (ext3)?
[21:28] <ubuntu_> Will this not format the partition?
[21:29] <W_S> you should use /home/user as mountpoint for /dev/...
[21:29] <ubuntu_> W_S: but the data will note be ereased if I don't mark the format box?
[21:30] <vonkleist> ubuntu_, there's an specific option to format that device
[21:30] <W_S> ubuntu_: yes
[21:30] <vonkleist> if you don't select it, it won't format it
[21:30] <ubuntu_> vonkleist: ok
[21:30] <ubuntu_> will the instlled mound all the other partitions automatcly in /media?
[21:31] <ubuntu_> *installer.
[21:31] <W_S> probably
[21:32] <mephx> ﻿i am having problems creating a 3TB partition, i can create it, format it and mount it. when i reboot, superblock is corrupt. sdb1 points +/- 5 blocks less than it should. it points to EFI tag. Tried with xfs and ext3, created with parted. labeL: gpt Anyone?
[21:33] <ubuntu_> why asks the installer for: Use as: for the partition? It should know it I think, is that normal?
[21:35] <ubuntu_> mephx: maybe yo use such large partition, in the kernel have to be activated an option...
[21:39] <ubuntu_> what is better fot the /boot partition, ext2 or 3?
[21:40] <ubuntu_> is ext2 faster to read in the boot for /boot?
[21:40] <W_S> ubuntu_: ext2
[21:40] <ubuntu_> woof
[21:40] <ubuntu_> W_S: ok
[21:41] <ubuntu_> why is that better?
[21:41] <vonkleist> up to where I know, there are no differences regarding to performance between ext2 and ext3
[21:42] <vonkleist> the only difference, the journal
[21:42] <ardchoille> the journal, yeah
[21:42] <W_S> ubuntu_: for old kernel for example =)
[21:42] <ardchoille> the journaliing may cause a performance hit
[21:42] <vonkleist> on /boot ??
[21:42] <ardchoille> ext3 is ext2+journaling
[21:43] <ubuntu_> hmm, for this kernel (2.6.27 ?) what should I use? ext3?
[21:43] <ubuntu_> vonkleist: yes, for /boot
[21:43] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: that is higher than the kernel in Hardy
[21:43] <vonkleist> I mean: ardchoille> the journaliing may cause a performance hit    <--- on /boot ?
[21:43] <ardchoille> ext3 should be fine
[21:43] <ardchoille> vonkleist: /boot is just a folder
[21:44] <ubuntu_> ardchoille: ok, then I will go for ext3
[21:44] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: are you on intrepid?
[21:44] <ubuntu_> ardchoille: but I am installing intrepid
[21:44] <ubuntu_> yes
[21:44] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: you might get better help in #ubuntu+1
[21:44] <vonkleist> ardchoille, again... It could cause a performance hit if you use ext3 on the /boot partition???
[21:44] <ardchoille> vonkleist: no idea, I don't have /boot on its own patition
[21:45] <ardchoille> but I will say that the jounal is checked when the machine boots up
[21:45] <ubuntu_> should I format the /boot for the new install?
[21:45] <vonkleist> ardchoille, on ext2 the whole  FS is checked at boot time
[21:46] <vonkleist> ubuntu_, yes, it's better if you do so
[21:46] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: you might get better help with intrepid in #ubuntu+1 as that is the channel for new releases
[21:46] <ubuntu_> ardchoille: ok, but there is only 2 days left...
[21:48] <ubuntu_> ok, thanks to all for the help! Lets see the new kde!
[21:52] <afeijo> how can I check if I have samba installed on my machine so my notebook can access it files?
[21:53] <ardchoille> afeijo:  apt-cache policy samba
[21:53] <afeijo> ardchoille: thanks, it says none, I will install with apt-get
[21:54] <ardchoille> afeijo: :)
[21:56] <afeijo> oh, ssh port 22 refused, I need to install ssh server? what its name to apt-get?
[21:57] <ardchoille> apt-cache search --names-only shh
[21:58] <ardchoille> *ssh
[21:58] <ardchoille> sorry about the typo
[21:58] <afeijo> no problem
[21:58] <afeijo> I have a lot of ssh on my desktop, lol
[21:59] <afeijo> ops, it is avaiable ssh to be installed! stupid me
[22:08] <afeijo> can I use my dlink router dhcp with my linux, so it can find any machine in my LAN?
[22:09] <favro> afeijo: that is the default for the *buntus afaik
[22:09] <afeijo> favro: it isnt, I had to add my notebook to my hosts file
[22:09] <afeijo> if the IP changes, I need to update the hosts
[22:10] <favro> that's why I use static ip's on my lan...
[22:10] <afeijo> hmm
[22:10] <afeijo> what do you use to admin samba? swat?
[22:11] <favro> I don't use samba sorry
[22:11] <favro> no windows in my home
[22:13] <afeijo> no windows here too, am I confusing something? how to share files between 2 linux machines?
[22:13] <afeijo> I sound like first day user, damn
[22:13] <SlimeyPete> afeijo: samba, nfs, scp (scp is easiest for individual files)
[22:13] <ruffZ> afeijo, use ssh damn it
[22:13] <ruffZ> lol
[22:13] <SlimeyPete> !samba
[22:13] <SlimeyPete> !scp
[22:13] <afeijo> ruffZ: oh, its a solution!
[22:13] <SlimeyPete> !nfs
[22:13] <favro> +! nfs
[22:14] <canibal> HELLO
[22:14] <favro> +1 even
[22:14] <afeijo> I will try just ssh ;) thanks guys
[22:14] <zer0o> hi guys, im using skype, just pluged my new mic but is not working.. is there any particular installation procedure?
[22:14] <ruffZ> afeijo, yw
[22:14] <SlimeyPete> canibal: Hi :) Please don't use all-capitals (it is considered to be shouting)
[22:14] <afeijo> what a damn good channel, lol
[22:15] <canibal> ok
[22:15] <canibal> sorry
[22:15] <SlimeyPete> no problem :)
[22:15] <favro> zer0o: is the mic turned up in   alsamixer   ?
[22:16] <zer0o> i was just checking it, which one of the 3 mics is the right to turn up? mic front, mic front or mic?
[22:17] <favro> I would turn them all up to start
[22:19] <Far^Side> hello, does the AMD64 build of Kubuntu support binary drivers (which probably is 32bit) for e.g. AMD/ATI or nVidia graphic adapters?
[22:19] <crimsun> Far^Side: yes, both 32- and 64-bit.
[22:20] <Far^Side> crimsun, ok
[22:20] <crimsun> E.g., I'm on 64-bit Kubuntu 8.10RC ATM
[22:20] <Far^Side> but what about binary applications, like Adobe Reader and other 32bit only apps?
[22:21] <crimsun> Flash 10 probably won't work; that's a known issue in Kubuntu 8.10RC
[22:21] <crimsun> Adobe Reader works fine
[22:21] <Far^Side> ok
[22:22] <crimsun> (BTW, the Flash 10 issue is independent of $arch)
[22:22] <Far^Side> crimsun, I tried to find the ISO for the 8.10RC, but I did only find a DVD image. Isn't there any CD images out there?
[22:24] <crimsun> Far^Side: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/
[22:25] <Far^Side> crimsun, ok, I was using this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/rc/
[22:27] <Far^Side> but what about 32bit .deb packages? I've read that this might be a problem: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#AMD64 Processors
[22:27] <Tukon> hi all
[22:27] <Tukon> is there any way to prevent all the drawing artifacts when using firefox?
[22:27] <cobelloy> hi I have a little problem with internet - I have a wireless modem that works fine with wvdial but only when the ethernet and regular wireless adapters are disabled, the ppp0 interface does not show up in the network manager so I cannot set it as the default route - how do I make it show up there?
[22:28] <favro> !dialup
[22:28] <crimsun> Far^Side: there are a variety of ways to use those, but you should always use a 64-bit deb if available.
[22:28] <crimsun> Far^Side: E.g., getlibs
[22:28] <Far^Side> yeah I know...
[22:30] <cobelloy> also annoying is that the modem is detected and works fine with wvdial but kppp continues to report "cannot open modem" when I try to set it up that way
[22:31] <Dragonath> ati radeon hd3650 isn't a supported card in 8.04 is it? :)
[22:36] <cobelloy> favro: i have looked at all the links provided, none of them help with the issues?
[22:37] <cobelloy> it is not a dial up problem as such, the modem is going well - i am using it now, it is that the ppp0 interface does not register in network manager to set it as a default route
[22:38] <favro> cobelloy: sorry but I don't use dialup - that link was the extent of my knowledge...
[22:38] <cobelloy> how do I get the system to see the ppp0 interface that is configured/controlled solely by wvdial?
[22:38] <cobelloy> doh...
[22:39] <cobelloy> i would like to be able to use the ethernet and standart wireless interfaces at the same time as the modem
[22:39] <cobelloy> it all works so well aside from that
[22:40] <cobelloy> favro: whats another channel I could try?
[22:41] <favro> cobelloy: maybe #ubuntu - there are alot more folks there
[22:41] <cobelloy> yeah - they always tell me to come here though
[22:42] <cobelloy> ill try
[22:42] <winterelf> hi, that's a wierd question but how can i increas the volume on my laptop? i know it can get better performance but it's wierd i can hear very weak, i m using amarok for my music
[22:43] <cobelloy> at the moment I have three icons on the desktop to get the modem working, one of them is a link to a short script, "gksudo wvdialconf" - how can I change that command so that it opens a terminal window while it is working?
[22:45] <favro> cobelloy: I use   Eterm -e "script"   - read man konsole it might be able to open and run a command
[22:49] <mado> oy guys ... hello there ...
[22:49] <mado> is it too early to ask some things about kubuntu 8.10 ??
[22:50] <favro> you ask those questions in #ubuntu+1 till tomorrow :)
[22:50] <mado> i see :)
[22:50] <favro> !ibex
[22:50] <mado> favro, ... i didn't know that ... thank you ...
[22:51] <favro> np :)
[22:51] <mado> i was asking here first because i found a problem
[22:51] <mado> :)
[22:51] <favro> hehe
[22:51] <mado> and i'm not sure if it has to do with "8.10" or my computer
[22:51] <favro> what's happening/not happening?
[22:52] <cobelloy> not getting any help in ubuntu... :(
[22:52] <mado> well ... i downloaded the "rc" and installed it ... later i removed it ... thing is ...
[22:52] <mado> it takes quite a long time to load / to start / to ...
[22:52] <mado> everyting takes quite a long time
[22:53] <favro> I would think it would take a while to load if you removed it...
[22:53] <mado> i tried to mark a folder for example ... it took me about a minute
[22:53] <christ> hi
[22:53] <mado> i removed it because it took so long to do things
[22:54] <favro> k - that'll be something they'll know about in #ubuntu+1
[22:54] <mado> and why it took so long i don't know
[22:54] <mado> next thing is the new kde-menu ...
[22:54] <mado> i tried searching for a program and it looked like the whole kde crashed
[22:55] <KDesk> what should I use, apt or aptitude?
[22:55] <favro> did you md5 the disk?
[22:55] <favro> mado: ^
[22:55] <mado> you mean ... proving the checksum?
[22:55] <favro> KDesk: it is up to you - I use apt-get in terminal
[22:55] <mado> yeah i did that ... before i burn something i always check the md5-sum
[22:56] <favro> and you should do the check after the burn too
[22:56] <favro> !md5
[22:56] <mado> ok ... hmm *thinking*
[22:56] <ardchoille> iirc, k3b can handle all of that
[22:57] <ardchoille> mado: are you on Hardy?
[22:57] <mado> can you help me to go about this process? ... i still have the cd-rom in my cupboard
[22:57] <mado> ardchoille, -> i use 8.04 at the moment
[22:57] <KDesk> favro: ok :)
[22:58] <mado> because 8.10rc didn't work as planned
[22:58] <favro> mado: when you boot the cd there is an entry to check the disk - use that
[22:58] <ardchoille> mado: If you're looking for an alternate to the kde menu, there are kbfx and tasty-menu. I can send you a url to a screenshot of tasty-menu if you want
[22:59] <mado> i'm not looking for that no ...
[22:59] <ardchoille> ok
[22:59] <mado> it's just a problem i have with 8.10rc-kubuntu
[22:59] <mado> for example ... it took about a minute to mark a folder
[22:59] <mado> everywith was slow
[22:59] <mado> sorry
[22:59] <mado> mean everything
[23:00] <mado> got something mixed up in my brain :)
[23:01] <mado> favro, ... you told me to check the cd ... well ... i put it in the cd-drive of my brother's computer ...
[23:02] <favro> aanndd...
[23:02] <KDesk> is the firefox qt proyect still alive?
[23:02] <mado> anything i should pay attention to?
[23:03] <favro> I've only heard rumors about that - ff works fine here tho I use a few gtk apps
[23:03] <favro> mado: when you boot the cd there is an entry to check the disk - use that
[23:04] <mado> favro,  ... it says "no errors found"
[23:05] <favro> k - it's not the cd - #ubuntu+1 will know if it is an issue with the os and h/ware or sumthin else
[23:06] <mado> ok then ... thank you favro for you time
[23:07] <favro> mado: sorry I can't help more
[23:16] <KDesk> is there a graphical way to add automatly mount partitions?
[23:25] <KDesk> I want to mount a partition in fstab, what option should I use? relatime 0 2 ?
[23:27] <ardchoille> KDesk: I added /dev/sdb1 (storage disk) to fstab with this: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/11541
[23:27] <ardchoille> seems to work well
[23:27] <ardchoille> and the partition gets checked the same way sda1 does
[23:28] <dennister> i'm having troubles with my /home partition...user's directory disappears too often
[23:28] <KDesk> ardchoille: is this mode better thant de default relatime?
[23:28] <ardchoille> KDesk: I'm not sure about that
[23:28] <dennister> anyone know a good hard disk monitoring tool/diagnostic?
[23:29] <dennister> i tried smartmontools, and the notifier, but I think the drive is too old to use smart technology...not doing much for me
[23:30] <ardchoille> KDesk: Hmm, looking at my fstab, you have a point. Might be a good idea to use relatime instead of defaults
[23:31] <KDesk> ardchoille: I have read some time ago that relatime was better but I don't know why :)
[23:31] <favro> I use noatime to speed things up a little bit
[23:31] <ardchoille> I'll have to change mine then, I've been using this same method before UID was popular
[23:32] <favro> !bot
[23:33] <DJTachyon> hey all
[23:34] <favro> !hi
[23:34] <shadowhywind_> what are the differences if any between, hitting shutdown in the kmenu, and hitting the power button set to turn off
[23:34] <favro> there's no bot...
[23:34] <DJTachyon> just curious how to change screen resolution while running in VMware which reserves CNTL+ALT as the UI I/O swapping
[23:34] <condon> Can anyone tell me how to get that nice dodge effect back in compiz (windows move up and down, or left and right out of the way of the window your bringing into focus)
[23:35] <condon> Just updated to 8.10 last night, got compiz runnign right again and now I can't find the plugin or option for that.
[23:35] <favro> DJTachyon: how do you use ctrl+alt to change screen resolution?
[23:36] <DJTachyon> CTRL ALT - or +
[23:36] <DJTachyon> or is that not supported here?
[23:38] <favro> I've never heard of it(which doesn't mean a whole lot) - there is gui apps for doing that and in a terminal xrandr
[23:38] <DJTachyon> but unfortunately i force the monitor size in VMware workstation and it doesnt make a difference
[23:38] <DJTachyon> yeah i try it and it doesnt load
[23:39] <favro> tried in konsole   xrandr -s 1024x768    or whatever size?
[23:39] <favro> xrandr   to find out available sizes
[23:41] <DJTachyon> hmm okay
[23:41] <DJTachyon> lemme try
[23:46] <DJTachyon> okay favro that worked
[23:46] <DJTachyon> for some reason it doesnt think i can do anything over 640x480
[23:46] <favro> DJTachyon: happy for you :)
[23:46] <favro> ohh
[23:47] <favro> that'll be how vmware sets up it's graphics - you'll have to explore that with them or google - I use vbox
[23:47] <DJTachyon> yeah im trying to setup a Google Android dev VM
[23:48] <DJTachyon> woo 91 updates available
[23:48] <favro> hehe
[23:49] <ardchoille> update now, the repos are going to be hit hard soon
[23:51] <DJTachyon> 80% done
[23:51] <DJTachyon> i gave the VM two cores and 2 gb of ram
[23:51] <DJTachyon> :)
[23:58] <krash> Okay, this may not be the correct channel to ask this...
[23:58] <krash> but I installed eclipse, and when I run it, and try to download the sample projects it don't work
[23:59] <Far^Side> is there any way of upgrading kubuntu from i386 to AMD64, or would I have to reinstall?