[00:03] <NCommander> wgrant, whats going on?
[00:05] <wgrant> NCommander: He keeps replying to bugmail saying either nothing or LOTS OF CAPS ASKING FOR NO MORE MAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:05] <NCommander> wgrant, *wince*
[00:06] <NCommander> Good $TIME_OF_DAY elmo
[00:07] <zoke> I can't seem to use launchpad with bzr and plink
[00:07] <NCommander> wgrant, what is structual subscripton mean specifically?
[00:08] <zoke> everytime I connect, plink reports the connection as abandoned
[00:13] <ajmitch> wgrant: I see what you mean...
[00:14]  * ajmitch wonders if the "You are subscribed because..." needs to contain very explicit unsubscribe instructions
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Nah.  That's what spamcop is for.
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Ubuntu (not PPA) source packages are all supposed to be signed on Launchpad, right?
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/spamassassin/3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1/+files/spamassassin_3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1.dsc
[00:16] <ScottK-laptop> Doesn't appear to me to be signed.
[00:25] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I thought only the changes had to be actually signed
[00:25] <ScottK-laptop> Well only .changes has to have a signature of someone allowed to upload.
[00:26] <ScottK-laptop> I think .dsc needs A signature
[00:26]  * NCommander tests it with an upload to his PPA
[00:35] <TeTeT> is there an easy way to see all bugs that had a status change between two dates, e.g. last Friday and today?
[01:42] <jerryk> TeTeT:   Hey that's exactly a question I had.  AFAIK as of this moment, no there isn't, but if there is one that I don't know about I'd be all ears.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> what was the question?
[01:43] <jerryk> Hobbsee:   TeTeT asked "is there an easy way to see all bugs that had a status change between two dates, e.g. last Friday and today?"
[01:43] <jerryk> Hobbsee:   I assume he means via the API, although I'm not even sure how to do this with the advanced query page in the browser either.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[01:46] <Hobbsee> no idea then, sorry :)
[01:47] <TeTeT> would be nice to have a GUI for it
[01:58] <nellery> anyone have an idea why the packages in my ppa (https://launchpad.net/~nick.ellery/+archive) are not detected by Ubuntu?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> nellery: define 'detected' here?
[02:00] <nellery> Hobbsee: if I attempt to install it from apt it installs the Ubuntu version?
[02:00] <ScottK-laptop> Either you made a lower version or you didn't add your PPA to your sources.list and then apt-get update
[02:01] <Hobbsee> or it hasn't actually published yet
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> That too
[02:01] <Hobbsee> it's not lower
[02:01]  * ScottK-laptop is busy trying to resurrect a dead dist-upgrade attempt, so didn't look.
[02:01] <nellery> wow.  I am amazed at my intelligence
[02:02] <ScottK-laptop> Which was it?
[02:02] <nellery> I removed it from my sources.list, intending to put it back -_-
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Hobbsee> always useful
[02:02] <nellery> there we go, it works
[02:03] <nellery> thanks both of you for pointing out my stupidity ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> you're welcome ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> people have made more foolish errors.  *shrug*
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> That's why we're here. ;-)
[02:10] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: What went wrong with your dist-upgrade? All of mine went fine, except for the one where my mother decided to hit the reset button half-way through...
[02:11] <ScottK-laptop> wgrant: Intel D945Gnt motherboard and the new kernel can't connect with the installed SATA drives.
[02:11] <wgrant> Ah, fun.
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC in Gutsy this motherboard had a problem if it was a mixed ATA/SATA configuration
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> I wonder if there's been a regression.
[02:13]  * ScottK-laptop unplugs hardware.
[02:14] <ScottK-laptop> Actually I'm going to play with the BIOS a bit first and see if a more ancient setting helps.
[06:51] <dholbach> is there any ETA on the staging login issue? :)
[06:52] <wgrant> All I know is that it's quite deliberate.
[06:52] <dholbach> aha?
[06:53] <wgrant> I hear that staging is being used for testing DB changes.
[06:53] <dholbach> hrm
[06:53] <dholbach> it makes using the LP API a bit difficult :)
[06:54] <wgrant> Just run your own. Oh wait.
[06:54] <wgrant> I wonder if demo.lp.net is suitable.
[06:55] <wgrant> Hmm. That's running one old codebase.
[06:56] <dholbach> hm, EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT exists, but EDGE_WEB_ROOT doesn't
[06:56] <wgrant> What is *_WEB_ROOT for?
[06:57] <dholbach> I have a script that automatically logs in (so I can run it on a headless machine) - it uses _WEB_ROOT
[06:57] <wgrant> Hmm.
[06:58] <dholbach> ah, hang on
[06:58]  * dholbach tries something
[07:00] <dholbach> hm, still can't login
[07:02] <dholbach> using https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/ did not make it work :-)
[11:27] <mpt> How do I find out who is subscribed to a particular project's bug reports?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mpt: look at the "also notified" panel?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> for any given bug on the project?
[11:29] <soren> Ah. that's much better than what I was about to suggest.
[11:30] <soren> I would have filed a bug against the project suggesting it be reimplemented in php (unless it already was, in which case I'd suggest ruby), and see who responded.
[11:31] <matsubara> mpt, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscribe has a bug subcriptions portlet
[11:31] <soren> Or something of similar inflammatory effect. Perhaps some spam tossed in there for added effect.
[11:31] <matsubara> which is slightly better than also notified, because also notified includes people from dupes, which would be misleading
[11:31] <Hobbsee> soren: *grin*
[11:32] <Hobbsee> soren: brainfuck or something might be even better...
[11:32] <wgrant> matsubara: Also notified doesn't contain dupe people.
[11:32] <mpt> matsubara, thanks, that's well-hidden
[11:32] <wgrant> matsubara: "From duplicates" contains dupe people.
[11:32] <soren> Hobbsee: No, the trick is to make it sound as though you actually mean it. That's exceedingly difficult with brainfuck.
[11:32] <wgrant> Also notified contains other structural subscriptions (ie. project groups or milestones), and the assignee.
[11:33] <matsubara> wgrant, indeed.
[11:33] <matsubara> I forgot the from duplicates section
[11:33]  * wgrant welcomes mpt to userland.
[11:33] <mpt> matsubara, do you have permissions to unsubscribe someone from Launchpad projects?
[11:34] <wgrant> You need DB access, IIRC.
[11:34] <wgrant> I asked to have that Fritz guy unsubscribed from malone this morning.
[11:35] <mpt> oh good, thanks
[11:35] <matsubara> mpt, nope, you need to ask a question and the Losas can take care of it
[11:35] <mpt> he seems unhappy
[11:35] <mpt> "Dear Losas, what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?"
[11:35] <wgrant> I don't think anybody useful noticed, so I might ask an answer.
[11:37] <matsubara> mpt, african or european?
[11:37] <wgrant> No! We need a UI designer /alive/!
[11:38]  * mpt throws a dart at a Launchpad pie chart
[11:49] <Hobbsee> soren: ahhh, right
[11:58] <mpt> wgrant, why did you mark bug 290125 as a duplicate of bug 216668?
[11:58] <mpt> I can see that they're related, but I don't think fixing either of them would fix the other.
[11:59] <wgrant> mpt: They're the same. Maybe my summary is bad.
[12:00] <mpt> The former is about a source package bugs list. The latter is about a distribution bugs list.
[12:00] <wgrant> mpt: They're surely the same fix... but true.
[12:03] <wgrant> The same thing also goes for projects, I suppose.
[12:03] <mpt> really?
[12:03] <mpt> do bug reports disappear off the project list when they're targeted to a series?
[12:03] <wgrant> It's a fundamental design flaw in Launchpad.
[12:03] <wgrant> The bug pages only show things open in their context.
[12:04] <wgrant> And series are separate contexts.
[12:04] <wgrant> It's how it works, but it is rather strange.
[12:05] <wgrant> If I have something closed in the devel series (or the non-series task, if it isn't targetted to the devel series), it won't appear on the non-series list.
[12:05] <wgrant> That behaviour is useful sometimes, but there's no way to get the other useful list - everything.
[12:05] <wgrant> No way at all.
[12:06] <wgrant> Somebody needs to redesign how that works.
[12:06] <beuno> wgrant, would you like emailing me about that specific problem?
[12:06] <beuno> I have a soyuz sprint at some point
[12:06] <beuno> and I'm collecting data on it
[12:06] <wgrant> It's not Soyuz.
[12:06] <wgrant> It's Malone.
[12:06] <beuno> even better
[12:07] <beuno> I have a sprint the last week of novemeber
[12:07] <beuno> it's sooner
[12:07] <wgrant> Ah, convenient.
[12:09] <wgrant> beuno: There's not much to email about - there's just no way to list all bugs open in a pillar and its series.
[12:10] <wgrant> Pillar or sourcepackage, actually.
[12:10] <beuno> wgrant, and there's a bug for it?
[12:10] <beuno> I'm in the middle of a sprint
[12:10] <wgrant> Bug #216668, but it should be generalised.
[12:11] <beuno> so I won't really retain most of this  :)
[12:11] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:17] <philn> hi
[12:18] <philn> i have an issue with a "private" project/team.. one new member of the team is not able to see the private bugs
[12:18] <philn> whereas other members of the team can
[12:19] <philn> bac, kiko, someone: can you help me? ;)
[14:24] <pro-rsoft> is it possible to somehow add a branch that everyone can check changes into?
[14:31] <woods> Hello, please one help. I am Brasilian person. I downloaded of Ubuntu.com the LINUX 8.04 DESKTOP, i need to use image .iso in DVD and no in CD, dont have other mirror of DOWNLOAD DVD .ISO ? PLEASE HELP, IS VERY IMPORTANT!
[14:33] <woods> Turns out he already burned 4 CDs virgin mine, and not just my CD rewritable, but my reader not the rewritable, so I try to save the. Iso in a DVD, I need a link. Iso DVD on the Linux desktop ubuntu 8.04 please!
[14:33] <salgado> woods, você pode gravar o .iso em um DVD.  mas o melhor lugar pra pedir ajuda seria o canal #ubuntu-br
[14:35] <woods> Hummm Obrigado, mas eu ja queimei 3 DVD Virgem tentando gravar, 2x eu tentei gravar direto o .iso do ubunto de CD no dvd, e o terceiro agora eu usei o daemon no .iso peguei os arquivos e fiz um dvd inicializavel com os arquivos, assim tambem queimou, eu acho que não da pra gravar .iso de CD em DVD, a n ser que eu burle de alguma forma, mas não quero burlar, quero um link direto de .iso dvd =S
[14:35] <woods> Vou ver lá no ubuntu-br
[14:36] <salgado> woods, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/release/
[14:39] <woods> Esse é 4.3GB, não é o desktop eu to baixando ele aqui já, mas nunca usei ele, tenho pouca pratica com linux, tu tem como me confirma se isso é o que eu estou procurando?
[14:40] <woods> QUero Instalar o Ubuntu 8.04 DESKTOP num Pentium 3 de 512 memoria ram, com grafico, por isso não escolho o alternate, esse intrepid não é algo diferente até por ele ser 4x maior? e eu acabar me perdendo depois em instalar e usar? não é diferente?
[14:41] <woods> Se for praticamente o mesmo, que vá abrir aquela janela digamos que em 'portugues' que o desktop faz, ai me serve, o ideal seria o desktop, eu quero instalar e usar so o ubuntu na maquina, mas quero ele a nivel de iniciante
[14:42] <woods> Ja usei o Slackware e é mto hardcore pra mim
[14:42] <woods> ?
[14:42] <salgado> woods, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/release/ubuntu-8.04.1-dvd-i386.iso é o .iso pro DVD. versão 8.04 (Hardy)
[14:42] <woods> Por que ele tem 4GB ? @.@
[14:43] <woods> Tá, tá bom se é o 8.04 em serve o tmanho é o de menos
[14:43] <woods> Unica duvida que fico agora
[14:44] <woods> é em relação ao ALTERNATE e o DESKTOP, eu não quero o ALTERNATE, esse que você me mostrou e ja estou baixando é um "DESKTOP" né ?
[14:44] <woods> :S
[14:44] <salgado> é
[14:44] <woods> valeu ;@~
[14:45] <woods> vou baixar e tentar a tarde
[14:45] <salgado> woods, o alternate só tem a instalação diferente. depois de instalado ambos são iguais
[14:45] <woods> hummmm
[14:45] <woods> ah então tudo bem
[14:46] <woods> valeu mesmo ai
[16:28] <asabil> hi all
[16:36] <Odd_Bloke> asabil: o/
[16:38] <asabil> just wondering, is it normal that the branches of a project I have hosted in LP are standalone branches ?
[16:38] <asabil> and not part of a repository
[17:10] <beuno> asabil, yeap
[17:10] <beuno> there anre't any shared repositories in launchpad
[17:10] <asabil> oh ok
[17:10] <beuno> there are stacked branches, which achieve something similar
[18:23] <MTecknology> Is it possible to make tasks or bugs or something that relate to a specific launchpad group?
[18:38] <rockstar> MTecknology, what do you mean?
[18:39] <MTecknology> I mean something like a forum... Task: Jump Twice  User1: I jumped twice 3 times in the store  User2: I jumped twice in my neighbors house
[18:41] <MTecknology> rockstar: I'm guessing it might be better to have my own site that does exactly what I want and keep the LP group as a membership role
[18:41] <MTecknology> I think that's what most groups do, isn't it?
[19:25] <jcastro> cody-somerville: what are all those lists for that you just requested?
[20:03] <cody-somerville> jcastro, OEM Services
[20:03] <jcastro> cody-somerville: ok, approving
[20:43] <_jbl_> Hello
[20:44] <_jbl_> I have a PPA question/issue
[20:44] <_jbl_> I get a mail with: Rejected: [...] Version older than that in the archive. 0.8.0-0~ppa1 <= 0.8.0beta1-0~ppa2
[20:45] <_jbl_> which totally makes sense, however, the upstream version is that way: 0.8.0 comes after 0.8.0beta1...
[20:50] <wgrant> _jbl_: You probably wanted 0.8.0~beta1, then.
[20:52] <_jbl_> no, that's the thing. I package 0.8.0-beta1 and upstream just released 0.8.0 and I wanted to package that. Would have been smooth if upstream had 0.8.1 ;)
[20:55] <wgrant> _jbl_: You needed to use 0.8.0~beta1 for the beta. That's how Debian package versioning works. You could use 0.8.0.0 for now, I guess.
[20:58] <_jbl_> ok. any way I can revert this then ?
[21:00] <geser> use something like 0.8.0rel till 0.8.1 comes out
[21:00] <wgrant> _jbl_: You'll have to work around it until they release 0.8.1.
[21:00] <wgrant> Patient.
[21:00] <geser> and don't make the mistake in the future again :)
[21:01] <geser> it certainly helps to wait on answers before leaving the channel
[21:02] <wgrant> Don't tell them that.
[21:14] <xlyz> is staging.launchpad.net down?
[21:14] <wgrant> xlyz: Yes.
[21:14] <wgrant> It is being used for testing of big Launchpad changes.
[21:15] <xlyz> i'll try again in 1-2 hours then. thanks
[21:15] <wgrant> It will be longer than that, I suspect.
[21:15] <wgrant> It has been a couple of days already.
[21:16] <xlyz> oh. I'll try tomorrow, with all fingers crossed ;)
[21:28] <Jazzva> Hello... Is there someone who has the privilege to edit comments on bug reports in Launchpad?
[21:31] <spm> Jazzva: what's the problem?
[21:33] <Jazzva> spm, I replied once to the bug report and left the e-mail address in the quote. Now that person would like if his/her address could be removed.
[21:33] <Jazzva> spm, I asked a question on answer tracker and got the response that it's impossible, but that person insists on this, I'm asking here to see if it's really impossible...
[21:34] <Jazzva> *so I'm
[21:36] <Jazzva> it's bug 95670 and question #37825
[21:48] <spm> Jazzva: I see... An unpleasant situation. Curtis has answered the initial query specifing out the situation. If the individual in question still has a problem with this, I would advise that they raise it as a question themselves. Your being man-in-the-middle is unfair (imho) to yourself and unnecessary.
[21:49] <Jazzva> yeah... I guess.
[21:49] <Jazzva> spm, thanks.
[21:50] <spm> Jazzva: it might also be worthwhile sitting a day or two before replying. This looks like heading into flamewar-email-pong.
[21:51] <spm> Alternately, don't answer at all. Which might be a less inflamatory option. ???
[21:55] <Jazzva> spm, looks like the beginning of the flamewar. I think it's polite to answer and that to be final from my side (as I certainly tried to help)
[22:17] <spm> Jazzva: agreed.
[23:03] <wgrant> Is it that hard for a LOSA to issue that single UPDATE? Or is that against policy?
[23:16] <rockstar> wgrant, it's not a good idea to just go loose on the database on every time someone wants something changed.
[23:16] <wgrant> Of course not.
[23:16] <wgrant> But if there's no other way, and it gets somewhat reasonably irate users to be a bit less irate...
[23:17] <rockstar> If it comes to that, it comes to that.  It's just not something me jump at the chance for.  *shrug*
[23:23]  * rockstar can't type tonight
[23:30] <vmelo> anyone can give me some answers about rosetta?
[23:30] <wgrant> !ask
[23:31] <vmelo> ok, the option "Packaged" is a upstream option?
[23:31] <vmelo> it's the translated message from upstream?
[23:33] <vmelo> well, I asked the question
[23:33] <wgrant> So probably nobody who's watching right now knows.
[23:33] <wgrant> Wait a while, I would recommend.
[23:34] <vmelo> k