[00:01] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok so the server started ok (horray!) but no compiz and no performance improvement
[00:01] <Daekdroom> siloko: Try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/63459/
[00:01] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, do you use compiz?
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> yep
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> it's preinstalled on intrepid and doesnt require XGL anymore
[00:02] <siloko> Daekdroom: BRB!
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> all u hav to do is install simple-ccsm and then configure it to ur tastes
[00:03] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what about that maximus package? is it important?
[00:03] <EyesOfARaven> it makes all programs start maximized with title bar hidden
[00:03] <EyesOfARaven> i was using it until just now when i uninstalled it
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> install it, give it a shot and see if u like it
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> if u dont, remove it and killall maximus
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> and it is gone
[00:04] <redwhitewaldo> hi. i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10. Now Skype won't load. please help.
[00:04] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok same deal :( no worries though man - thanks for rying!
[00:04] <siloko> trying
[00:05] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, cool
[00:05] <Daekdroom> siloko: Sorry for not being able to help. Anyway, I think it's easier to find how to get that same setup on the new Xorg at #xorg
[00:05] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok bed time now - will try again tomorrow - cheers!
[00:06] <redwhitewaldo> where's the online forum equivalent of this ubuntu+1 chatroom
[00:06] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what about window picker? I guess there's a compiz plugin for picking windows as well right?
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> window picker replaces the bottom bar of gnome
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> with a small applet
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> i decided to use "Window List" which comes with it instead after trying window picker for a few days
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> window picker goes well with maximus if u like maximus
[00:09] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, nice. I think I like the compiz thing that does that
[00:10] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, but first, I have to fix wifi
[00:10] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I will reboot now to see how the new desktop is
[00:10] <gabi> brb
[00:10] <EyesOfARaven> k
[00:11] <darkphader> FYI - no keyboard, mouse or network with 8.10 rc on Thinkpad T20 alternate default install
[00:11] <darkphader> however
[00:11] <darkphader> acpi=force durin install worked
[00:12] <darkphader> it didn't help to do acpi=force if the install didn't include the option
[00:15] <redwhitewaldo> guys, my skype no longer works after going from 8.04 Hardy onto 8.10 Interprid.  Should i do a fresh/clean install?
[00:15] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[00:15] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I can't see the changes for some reason
[00:16] <gabi> redwhitewaldo, no. Just install it from medibuntu
[00:16] <EyesOfARaven> what did u install
[00:17] <EyesOfARaven> that u expected to see
[00:18] <redwhitewaldo> gabi: ok. will do so now.
[00:18] <ideasman_4bed> hiredgoon, how would I find the package maintainer for a package?
[00:18] <redwhitewaldo> hope it works
[00:19] <EyesOfARaven> ideasman_4bed, if u browse the repository in a browser it usually tells u
[00:19] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I saw a pic of the desktop with big icons and a black theme
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> u hav to replace nautilus with that urself in a custom session
[00:20] <ideasman_4bed> Would somebody be able to update blender3d package?
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> to test it out
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> hit alt+f2
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> and type 'ume-launcher'
[00:20] <ArkoldThos> please tell me, once i was flying flying hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighh i touch the sky (8)
[00:20] <ideasman_4bed> we are up to blender 2.48a and the repo has 2.46
[00:21] <romulo> does anyone know the fix for subversion? its not working on intrepid
[00:21] <romulo> 3 days from release it scares me
[00:21] <coppro> ideasman_4bed: firstly, release is in 4 days
[00:21] <ideasman_4bed> sure but 2.48a has loads of bugfixes ;/
[00:22] <coppro> then file a bug in the package
[00:22] <romulo> ideasman_4bed, blender?
[00:22] <coppro> romulo: works fine here
[00:22] <romulo> coppro, not here :/
[00:22] <jrib> romulo: what isn't working exactly?
[00:22] <alteregoa> romulans
[00:22] <ideasman_42> original maintainer was "Cyril Brulebois"
[00:23] <romulo> svn: Unrecognized URL scheme for ''
[00:23] <jrib> romulo: paste your command
[00:23] <romulo> svn commit :P
[00:24] <chad> anyone havinig an issue with DNS on 8.10?  i cant ping machines on my local net via name even though they are in dns
[00:24] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I think I didn't get that ume-launcher package...
[00:24] <ideasman_42> Its just annoying we spend a lot of time to do bugfixes, Gimp has latest stable release I believe but blender version is quite old.
[00:24] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, do you know of a detailed how to?
[00:24] <ideasman_42> There are alredy quite a few bugs reported, should I try contact maintainer directly?
[00:25] <jrib> romulo: hrmm, don't really have a svn repo to play around with to test
[00:25] <coppro> romulo: sounds like something is messed up internally. Try rechecking out
[00:25] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I get see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong
[00:25] <ideasman_42> since 2.47 our bug tracker went from 200 to below 50
[00:25] <coppro> I can commit fine
[00:25] <romulo> coppro, will do
[00:25] <coppro> romulo: you should be able to save your changes by running an svn diff
[00:26] <romulo> yeah
[00:26] <CarlFK> I need to control the desktop that is displayed on the local CRT.  isn't VNC built in?  (which makes me wonder why "Install the x11vnc" is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[00:26] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive
[00:26] <EyesOfARaven> add the deb source, the deb-src is broken it seems
[00:27] <EyesOfARaven> then apt-get install desktop-switcher go-home-applet human-netbook-theme maximus metacity netbook-launcher window-picker-applet
[00:27] <ideasman_42> Because distro's lag behind like this, we mostly ignore bug reports from them since they are useless when they are from older releases. :/
[00:27] <romulo> yeah it worked now coppro
[00:27] <romulo> looks like the local directory is messed up
[00:27] <coppro> glad it wasn't a huge repo
[00:31] <chad> any idea as to why i cannot ping local resources on my net?  DNS is setup and I am getting my info from dhcp, i just cant ping anything on this net via name
[00:31] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, crap... i can't click ok when adding the software source line
[00:31] <EyesOfARaven> i did it from nano in a terminal :p
[00:31] <EyesOfARaven> what r u using, gedit?
[00:32] <EyesOfARaven> hit maximize on the window
[00:32] <EyesOfARaven> that will size it to the screen
[00:34] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I was using the gui from system ==> preferences
[00:34] <EyesOfARaven> i dont know anything about the gui programs
[00:34] <EyesOfARaven> :/
[00:35] <chad> gabi:  you cant click ok if the deb line is not complete or accurate
[00:35] <chad> it will be gray
[00:35] <EyesOfARaven> should read "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-team/ubuntu intrepid main"
[00:36] <nickwinl> Yeah 8.10 rc is "good to go", IMHO.
[00:36] <jaebird> a couple of us are having issues with the live cd automatically logging into gdm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/288960
[00:37] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, ok I got it. Nice
[00:37] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> lspci recognizing something just means its plugged in
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> it doesnt mean that it's installed
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> seij0
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> type "iwconfig"
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> tell me if u see anything that has wireless extensions
[00:39] <seij0> lo: no wireless extensions
[00:39] <seij0> that's what it says
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> that's all?
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> that's the loopback :p
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[00:40] <seij0> nothing seems to have changed
[00:40] <EyesOfARaven> try iwconfig again
[00:40] <dug_> seij0: try system->administration->hardware drivers, see if it lists b43-fwcutter or something for your wireless card
[00:41] <seij0> EyesOfARaven: same thing
[00:41] <EyesOfARaven> go with dug_ 's stuff
[00:41] <seij0> dug_ :okay
[00:42] <seij0> "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[00:43] <EyesOfARaven> how did u set up ndiswrapper
[00:44] <dug_> seij0: I'm not sure, but you can try installing b43-fwcutter through system->administration->synaptic package manager.  I did a search and that seems to be the driver people use for that card
[00:44] <Cameron> I'm running intrepid, and after an update my gdm session won't login properly... I enter username and password, the screen goes blank, but no desktop shell is loaded
[00:45] <seij0> dug_: I'll try that next
[00:46] <seij0> dug_: ...how do I get that. I don't see it
[00:46] <seij0> and will it download? because that computer is not connected at all
[00:47] <dr_willis> No network connection.. makes it a little harder.
[00:47] <redwhitewaldo> i've just installed skype-medibuntu-version, and it doesn't work.  please help me fix this.
[00:48] <dr_willis> given that skype is  closed source.. its hard for  the ubuntu guys to 'fix' much in it.. other then try to discover work arounds to problems.. tell the channel what is the exact problem
[00:48] <dug_> seij0: oh right, i'm not sure the right thing to download.  if you can, you can try a wired connection until wireless is working
[00:49] <Cameron> is network manager meant to start wireless connections only after you have logged in ?
[00:50] <dr_willis> Cameron,  thats how it works for me.
[00:50] <seij0> There is no possible way to do that either. Maybe is there another way?
[00:50] <dr_willis> it uses the users keyring to store the passwords and stuff.
[00:50] <dr_willis> download the packages on another machine, to a thumbdrive... and sneaker-net :)
[00:51] <Cameron> dr_willis: is there a way to trigger it to connect from a terminal - i.e. without logging into gdm ?
[00:51] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: when i was on ubuntu 8.04, skype was working fine. but after upgrading from ubuntu version 8.04 to 8.10, skype no longer works. Here's the problem. I type in "skype" in terminal, and after 10 minutes, it says "segmentation fault". pls advise
[00:51] <dr_willis> Cameron,  proberly is.. but i rarely use wireless.. so ive never looked into it.
[00:51] <Cameron> dr_willis: thanks
[00:51] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  no clue.. thats why i said 'tell the channel' :)
[00:52] <dr_willis> Ive had some bad luck with upgrades.. on my 4 machines.
[00:52] <seij0> I found a deb for it
[00:52] <seij0> I'm going to put that on my flash drive and install it that way
[00:52] <seij0> I'll tell you how it goes
[00:52] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I installed the packages now but I still dont see any changes and my wifi still is not working
[00:52] <redwhitewaldo> haven't i already told the channel the problem?
[00:52] <dr_willis> the b43-fwcutter conects to the internet to download some packages also.. so you need to figure out what its downloading also..
[00:53] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: what else can i say?
[00:53] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  you addressed it to me specifically. :)
[00:53] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what might be going wrong?
[00:54] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  you may want to check the bug reports for any others with skype issues..
[00:54] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: i see. sorry.
[00:54] <redwhitewaldo> hi, everyone. when i was on ubuntu 8.04, skype was working fine. but after upgrading from ubuntu version 8.04 to 8.10, skype no longer works. Here's the problem. I type in "skype" in terminal, and after 10 minutes, it says "segmentation fault". pls advise
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, which eee do u hav
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, join #ubuntu-eeepc
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> and ask there
[00:55] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, cool, I will do that
[00:56] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: did you upgrade skype after upgrading to intrepid?  cause medibuntu's been down today.  Otherwise, you might try downloading skype directly from their site http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[00:56] <dr_willis> Yea- i noticed medibuntu was down today
[00:57] <dug_> when you upgrade, the medibuntu software source is disabled, you have to type the command here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[00:57] <redwhitewaldo> dug_: first, i upgraded ubuntu. Then,  i tried using the skype the way it was. but the way it was skype (which i got from skype.com) did not work. so gabi here said that i should try the medibuntu version of skype. so i got the medibuntu version of skype. but skype still doesn't work.
[00:58] <redwhitewaldo> dug_: and yes, i've tried downloading the skype deb direcetly from the skype.com site after i upgraded ubuntu versions.
[00:58] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: oh ok, i had medibuntu skype installed first, then upgraded to intrepid.  skype still works for me, but i haven't upgraded it yet because medibuntu is down
[01:00] <redwhitewaldo> dug_:  what could be the problem in my case? i don' think the problem lies with skype itself.
[01:02] <dr_willis> The problem very well could be skype is expexcting some older libs/ or other things..
[01:02] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: sorry, i don't know
[01:02] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: oh, i see. is there a way to make skype not expect older stuff?
[01:02] <CarlFK> any of the devs from https://launchpad.net/remote-help-assistant want to help me test this (and get it working ...)
[01:03] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  its not open sourced.. so theres not a lot people can do to make skype do anything..
[01:03] <dr_willis> other then figure out work arounds around the skype issues
[01:03] <geremy> is there due to be a change to the intel 9xx series drivers before release?
[01:06] <storrgie> is google calender working with evolution?
[01:06] <storrgie> when i first installed 8.10 beta it worked, but since i have updated it wont work anymore
[01:07] <seij0> hey all
[01:07] <seij0> alright tried installing the package
[01:07] <seij0> nothing still
[01:07] <seij0> all I see is dial-up
[01:09] <storrgie> Anyone using google calender with evolution?
[01:10] <EyesOfARaven> how can i add the "Open in Terminal" to the right click of nautilus, like Linux Mint has
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> the kopete client that is in intrepid is supposed to use display pictures in msn protocol?
[01:14] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong. I even installed the firmware. iwconfig doesn't detect anything. Please help.
[01:14] <EyesOfARaven> we already helped u, did u install the fwcutter like they said?
[01:15] <dr_willis> i was thinking on my laptop the console, printed messages about what 'firmware' pakcages i needed to get. with the URL.. i think that was the same URL the fwcutter tool grabbed
[01:16] <geremy> Ok, I've tried getting my intel 945's s video to work in Hardy, now i've tried Intrepid and no luck- the updated intel driver does not seem to have any effect. any help would be very much appreciated
[01:17] <seij0> EyesOfARaven: I sure did. Still nothing
[01:21] <maxb_> I'm not having a great time with GNOME 2.24 :-/
[01:22] <maxb_> regression in gnome-terminal, regression in gnome-keyring-daemon :-/
[01:23] <storrgie> regression?
[01:23] <dr_willis> cant say that ive been having any issues with gnome  so far
[01:24] <storrgie> maxb_: can you explain regression? I am a little new to this
[01:24] <dr_willis> Technical term for... 'what used to work. is now broken' :)
[01:25] <storrgie> i dont think its gnome, but nvidia-settings segfaults when you try to save the config
[01:25] <storrgie> thats a new one
[01:26] <maxb_> To be fair, neither issue is *that* painful to work around, but regressions in general are annoying, and I must have spent quite a few hours on them
[01:26] <storrgie> and has anyone been able to get evolution to work over a socks proxy? mine seems to ignore me
[01:29] <dr_willis> I saw some others mention that storrgie  bit not seen it happen myself.
[01:30] <storrgie> you mean the proxy? or nvidia-settings
[01:31] <Ahadiel> Whenever network manager starts up it tries to connect to my wired connection, THEN it tries to connect to my home wifi AP. In nm-applet it seems to be connected to both at once, anyone else experience this issue?
[01:34] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: network manager and nm-applet are one and the same, are they not?
[01:34] <Ahadiel> Yes.
[01:35] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, Was there a point to that?
[01:36] <danbh_intrepid> you contradicted yourself, did you not?
[01:36] <danbh_intrepid> btw, I won't have an answer, regardless
[01:38] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, How did I contradict myself?
[01:40] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: you said nm connects your wired and then your wifi, serially.  Then, you said that nm connects them in parallel.  Are there differing circumstances that this happens?  Is it just random, does nm switch back and forth?  Or, did you just phrase it wrong?
[01:42] <storrgie> so how is the flash support for intrepid x64?
[01:42] <dr_willis> it works here...
[01:42] <dr_willis> it installed the 32bit comat libs I think
[01:43] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, Fair enough, and yes I probably did phrase it wrong.
[01:43] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, But did you understand the point I was trying to convey?
[01:44] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: no, I didn't.  I didn't get it at all, unfortunately.  But again, I'm not an expert either.
[01:45] <storrgie> damnit is anyone using google calender with evolution?
[01:48] <storrgie> is there an evolution forum?
[01:48] <storrgie> or an irc spot?
[01:51] <radams> How do I allow Kopete to use the KDE wallet without having to enter my password each time I open it?
[01:58] <CarlFK> anyone here good with python and pyglet?  looks like ﻿the repo has v1.0, but http://www.pyglet.org/doc/programming_guide/drawing_primitives.html must be expecting 1.2
[01:58] <CarlFK> which is making it really hard for me to do something like "draw a circle"
[02:00] <soreau> Would anyone be able to tell me which the kernel version Intrepid will come with? (for the official release?)
[02:00] <void^> !info linux-image-generic
[02:00] <RAOF> The one that's there right now?
[02:01] <soreau> void^: Thanks
[02:05] <bretzel> Hi there PLEASE, IMPORTANT, I see no where how to get into my usual networking setup using  the new NETWORK SETUP DLG!!!! asking me to add route manually ????????????????/
[02:05] <mercutio22> bretzel> uh oh
[02:06] <bretzel> Using DHCP client all is okay, but going by manualy ( static 192.168.x.x network is unfesable
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you can leave route blank
[02:06] <bretzel> no, dlg does not enable the OK button
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> did you set your IP, gateway, and hostmask?
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> and your dns?
[02:06] <bretzel> of course
[02:07] <mercutio22> hmm
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i use it in the same manner, and have never had to set a route manually.
[02:07] <mercutio22> I used static once. It worked
[02:08] <mercutio22> maybe something broke in the last update?
[02:08] <bretzel> There is no more gnome-network  ( or Menu/System/Administration/Network "
[02:09] <bretzel> I have to right-click on the network-manager ttray icon to get into the failure dlg
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> bretzel: system > preferences > network configuration
[02:12] <bretzel> Uh oh!!! same dlg, but There is a bug in the dlg event's I must press RETURN on the (filled) fields fot the OK button to activate I mean, seems to be okay now ( not yet completed the manual setup tho ) I am righting here ...
[02:13] <bretzel> Dlg setup done, let see if ifconfig comfirms new settings ( cu after re-connect )
[02:13] <bretzel> still on dynamic IP
[02:16] <bretzel1> okay net setup okay, after ifconfig commands The dlg is really unusual and nothing warned me about the changes I had to guest through. and btw why network is under preferences ??? must be under admin for sure
[02:17] <mercutio22> bretzel> now that you are saying... it makes sense
[02:17] <void^> no, networkmanager stuff is per user
[02:19] <mercutio22> not an administrative task then?
[02:19] <alanbshepard77> Ok I downloaded ubuntu 8.10 RC and I have to know how to fix few this one issue with my laptops touchpad, every few seconds my desktop switches. What's triggering that to happen and how do I stop it?
[02:20] <drakeman> good night people
[02:20] <drakeman> how r u guys! hope fine!
[02:21] <evan_> hey
[02:21] <mercutio22> drakeman> so much for the selfish gene, and evolution produces such selfless altruism =]
[02:22] <evan_> can i dualscreen with both ati and nvidia?
[02:22] <SyL> I've got the Atheroes madwifi driver install in 8.10, but this asprire 5315 laptop doesn't seem to be able to see the wifi. it appears as an unknown driver. ideas?
[02:23] <drakeman> lol!
[02:24] <mercutio22> drakeman> you ought to luv ubuntu
[02:24] <soreau> SyL: How did you install the drivers?
[02:24] <SyL> soreau: I was trying to compile, but it errors out around pwrsave.
[02:24] <evan_> is it possible to dualscreen when having 1 ati and 1 nvidia card?
[02:25] <soreau> SyL: What is the output of 'lspci' for your card?
[02:25] <SyL> today I updated and ran the hardware driver finder and it sees the card, and I activated it, and the device is active, but it doesn't know what driver it is...
[02:25] <SyL> soreau: stand by
[02:26] <CarlFK> evan_: yes.  I am doing it with Rage 128 and GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[02:26] <SyL> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[02:26] <CarlFK> evan_: this is my hardy box, but I would hope it didn't break :)
[02:28] <soreau> SyL: For your card, there is an updated hal, not sure if it made it into Intrepid, but did you try Sys>Admin>Hardware Drivers? (after installing linux restricted modules?)
[02:28] <mercutio22> SyL> I had problems with this hardware before
[02:28] <CarlFK> soreau: are you sure you aren't talking about ath5k that got yanked in the last few days?
[02:29] <mercutio22> I solved it by compiling a version of the madwifi driver
[02:29] <soreau> CarlFK: No, madwifi-ng
[02:29] <SyL> soreau: let me try real quick...
[02:29] <evan_> CarlFK: how did you do it?? i cant get my drivers installed at the same time?
[02:29] <evan_> and do you have 3d on both screens?
[02:29] <evan_> and do you have 1 big screen or 2 separated?
[02:29] <evan_> :P
[02:30]  * soreau has the working source
[02:30] <soreau> mercutio22: Right
[02:30] <CarlFK> evan_: no 3d (didn't really try) - whats the diff between 1 big and 2 sep?
[02:30] <CarlFK> evan_: I can drag windows between the 2
[02:30] <evan_> ahh ok
[02:31] <mercutio22> the atheros device I mean
[02:31] <evan_> But..Tell me please how did you do it?
[02:31] <CarlFK> evan_: http://dpaste.com/87185/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:32] <SyL> mercutio22: I was trying to compile it as well, but it was complaining about pwrsave and it won't continue past it
[02:32] <drakeman> Hello again to all th people, i have a little question, i thing when intrepid ibex comes out this will be fixed, but i just have the doubt, why when i right click to applications menu in gnome-panel and put edit menus nothings happend i should see a window to edit the items in the menus in the gnome panel, what can be that error?
[02:32] <evan_> CarlFK: i get tge xorg part... but the drivers...??
[02:32] <shane2peru> ok, any ideas on setting up ATI Radeon correctly?
[02:32] <CarlFK> evan_: I actually have 3 cards in my box right now, but only 2 are active.  not sure what the problem is
[02:33] <shane2peru> it is better than it was on hardy, but still slightly lacking
[02:33] <CarlFK> evan_: what about the drivers?
[02:33] <mercutio22> SyL> what version are you trying to install?
[02:34] <drakeman> anyones have a little idea about my problem_
[02:34] <drakeman> ?
[02:34] <evan_> CarlFK: you cant have nvidia driver enabled while having gflrx at the same time
[02:34] <Cycom> O_O
[02:34] <Cycom> evan_: what if you have one nvidia card and one ati card?
[02:34] <SyL> mercutio22:version of what?
[02:35] <mercutio22> SyL> of the madwifi driver
[02:35] <void^> Cycom: stick with open drivers
[02:35] <shane2peru> hmm, perhaps mine is setup right after all, however bzflag is not playable, very messed up looking screen
[02:35] <Cycom> void^: well I do for the ATI, but for the nvidia, 3d? come on.
[02:35] <evan_> Cycom: then youve gotta mess:P
[02:36] <SyL> soreau: I installed the restricted modules and it still sees it as unknown interface wifi0 and ath0
[02:36] <SyL> mercutio22: hold on
[02:36] <evan_> Cycom: i want dual screen with 2 cards 1 ati and one nvidia
[02:36] <CarlFK> evan_: and binary drivers...
[02:36] <Cycom> evan_: Hell, I just want dual screens with my ATI card.
[02:36] <Cycom> evan_: I can't even get that
[02:36] <soreau> SyL: What is the output of 'lsmod|grep ath'?
[02:36] <shane2peru> SyL: for wireless?
[02:36] <Cycom> and with the nvidia card, it behaves...oddly
[02:36] <CarlFK> Cycom: yeah, I have 2 ati too, and that didn't seem to fly
[02:37] <Cycom> CarlFK: this is with one ATI using the Opensource drivers
[02:37] <Cycom> fglrx has some...issues with video playback
[02:37] <evan_> CarlFK: can you install 2 binairys at the same time?
[02:38] <CarlFK> evan_: install yes.  use... du no.  looking at my conf, I see I am using nv.  I don't think I bothered with a binary ati
[02:38] <SyL> mercutio22: kernel 2.6.27-generic, madwifi-0.9.4, madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3861-20080903, & madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007
[02:38] <SyL> soreau: stand by
[02:38] <drakeman> anyone can help me pleaseee?
[02:38] <Cycom> I'm pretty sure you can use more than one graphics driver for more than one card.
[02:39] <Cycom> I wonder if I could set up two X Servers on my machine, one with FGLRX and one with ATI/Radeon
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2  is how I fixed mine
[02:39] <CarlFK> evan_: http://dpaste.com/87187/  I added /var/log/Xorg.0.log to the end
[02:39] <mercutio22> SyL>  I Think madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3861-20080903 solved my problem
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: I have athos internal wireless.
[02:39] <SyL> soreau: ath_rate_sample, ath_pci, wlan, ath_hal
[02:39] <soreau> drakeman: What happens when you run 'alacarte' from your terminal?
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: Oh, it is post number 28
[02:39] <SyL> mercutio22: and what kernel are you using?
[02:40] <soreau> SyL: Can you pstebin the output of 'dmesg'?
[02:40] <SyL> soreau: yeah, hold on
[02:40] <Guest61077> can someone tell my why i cant install firefox on kubuntu 8.10 without installing half of gnome too?
[02:40] <shane2peru> Guest61077: hmm, beta. :)
[02:40] <shane2peru> Guest61077: ooops, I mean Release Candidate
[02:41] <drakeman> mmmm dont know anything about alacarte!
[02:41] <drakeman> let me runit
[02:41] <mercutio22> SyL>  I don't remember... how do I check?
[02:42] <drakeman> soreau this is the last line
[02:42] <drakeman>     fd = open(getattr(self, menu).path, 'w')
[02:42] <drakeman> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/drakeman/.config/menus/applications.menu'
[02:42] <soreau> mercutio22: uname -r?
[02:42] <SyL> mercutio22: uname -a
[02:42] <drakeman> thankssss
[02:42] <drakeman> i put sudo alacarte
[02:42] <drakeman> and now i can access
[02:42] <drakeman> thanks.....
[02:42] <evan_> CarlFK: how good is the opensource ati driver?
[02:43] <mercutio22> SyL> 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 24 06:40:41 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:43] <soreau> drakeman: Looks like your home permissions are messed up. Try running this as USER 'sudo chown -R $LOGNAME ~/'
[02:43] <soreau> drakeman: Don't run alacarte as sudo
[02:43] <CarlFK> evan_: good enough?  purple.  does the job.
[02:43] <evan_> purple?
[02:43] <Volkodav> anybody found FF 3.1 beta for _64 bit?
[02:44] <SyL> sorry, was trying to paste the pastebin URL
[02:44] <SyL> I will hand type everything from now on...
[02:44] <SyL> =\
[02:44] <drakeman> soreau i got this message chown: cannot access `/home/drakeman/.gvfs': Permission denied
[02:44] <CarlFK> evan_: I like purple. :)  "how good" is pretty subjective works great for gaim
[02:44] <soreau> drakeman: Did you run the chown command with sudo?
[02:45] <drakeman> lol
[02:45] <drakeman> not
[02:45] <drakeman> jeje
[02:46] <drakeman> yes now i run it with sudo
[02:46] <drakeman> but i got the same message
[02:46] <soreau> You're not listening
[02:46] <soreau> But you're permissions are borked
[02:47] <drakeman> mm it have solution?
[02:47] <SyL> soreau: http://pastebin.com/d3a7cbd07
[02:48] <CarlFK> soreau:  drakeman is runing ibex, which will probably blow up soon, and then a re-install will fix everything :)
[02:48] <drakeman> no no
[02:48] <drakeman> im runing hardy heron
[02:48] <soreau> CarlFK: My thoughts exactly
[02:48] <drakeman> in this moment i have 8.04 LTS
[02:49] <shane2peru> SyL: you have about the same atheros chipset as I do, use this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2  post number 28
[02:49] <soreau> SyL: So you're not using madwifi-ng, but 0.9.4?
[02:49] <shane2peru> SyL: I have AR242x, you have AR242s
[02:49] <soreau> 0o
[02:49] <SyL> shane2peru: mine says AR242x when I do lspci
[02:50] <SyL> soreau: I couldn't get any of the madwifi drivers to compile
[02:50] <soreau> SyL: Oh??
[02:50] <SyL> shane2peru: I'm looking at it now
[02:50] <soreau> SyL: Then how did you get the one you have installed now?
[02:50] <shane2peru> SyL: one thing is you are going to need to make sure you unload any and all drivers you are already using
[02:50] <soreau> shane2peru: I'm getting to that ;)
[02:50] <drakeman> soreau there is a way to fix my problem?¡
[02:51] <soreau> drakeman: Clean install
[02:51] <drakeman> mm thats the only way?
[02:51] <SyL> soreau: let me get you the compile error. I'm guessing it compiled most of it and it just won't work well with power saving... hold on
[02:51] <shane2peru> soreau: post 28 on this page gives the instructions that should fix it all:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2   for his atheros chipset
[02:51] <shane2peru> soreau: ahh, perhaps he needs to install buildessential
[02:52] <soreau> shane2peru: I was also getting to that ;)
[02:52] <shane2peru> soreau: it's all yours! :)  I'm off to bed.
[02:53] <SyL> soreau: buildessential is already installed, and so is kerel headers (the correct ones)
[02:53] <soreau> drakeman: Just remember for future reference, don't run as root or use sudo unless you have a concrete reason and know exactly what you're doing
[02:53] <drakeman> ok
[02:53] <drakeman> let me try to fixit with the new version
[02:53] <drakeman> doing a clean install
[02:54] <soreau> SyL: Can you run '<madwifi>/scripts/madwifi-unload' and then 'modprobe ath_pci'?
[02:54] <SyL> soreau: yeah... hold on
[02:55] <SyL> gives me could not open errors and no such file or directory
[02:55] <drakeman> thanks soreau
[02:56] <soreau> SyL: What command exactly gives you that? <madwifi>=the madwifi source directory
[02:56] <drakeman> good night people
[02:56] <drakeman> thanks for your help
[02:56] <drakeman> soreau going to fix with new version, thanks for your help
[02:57] <a1len> Hey guys. If I'm using a virtual disk, is it possible for me to read with rhythmbox the music files in Windows?
[02:57] <SyL> the modprobe ath_pci gives me that...
[02:58] <soreau> SyL: Ah, so the modules unload ok? ..
[02:58] <SyL> soreau: it's very odd... this post #28 seems to be working now, the driver is compiling fine...
[02:59] <SyL> soreau: yeah, I'm a pretty advanced *nix user, I just don' know much about the wifi stuff lately. I don't own any laptops. =)
[02:59] <soreau> Compile it, install it, and if no errors 'modprobe ath_pci' then reboot and you should be good
[02:59] <bhuey> so my X11 is blown out from the upgrade. Manually configure it ? what's the best method
[02:59] <bhuey> ?
[02:59] <soreau> SyL: I have a desktop here. Atheros chipsets are in a lot of brand name hw
[02:59] <soreau> bhuey: 'blown out'?
[02:59] <bhuey> soreau: won't start properly
[03:00] <bhuey> the keyboard is disconnected
[03:00] <soreau> Why not connect a keyboard?
[03:00] <bhuey> it is connected
[03:00] <bhuey> but it X11 isn't happy with it for some reason, anybody run into this problem ?
[03:00] <soreau> So X starts and you only have mouse input?
[03:00] <bhuey> yes
[03:01] <soreau> So use a known working xorg.conf..?
[03:01] <drakeman> soreau, guest what
[03:01] <bhuey> It was my old config
[03:01] <soreau> bhuey: I have no idea what could cause that
[03:01] <SyL> soreau: I'm going to reboot and if it doesn't work, I'll be back... that's for all your help
[03:02] <bhuey> soreau: I'll try it again
[03:02] <drakeman> i install Build-essentials, and now when i right click it works..... and now when i run the command chown as may user i got this message : chown: changing ownership of `/home/drakeman/.gvfs': Function not implemented
[03:02] <bhuey> maybe I should reboot after the upgrade ?
[03:02] <drakeman> what is build essentials?
[03:02] <drakeman> i install it because i see that somebody here write that i have to install....
[03:03] <soreau> bhuey: Uh, yea..
[03:03] <soreau> drakeman: They weren't talking to you
[03:03] <drakeman> oh no? hehehehee
[03:04] <drakeman> but it works
[03:04] <soreau> I doubt installing build-essential resolved your issue
[03:04] <drakeman> what is that? what is build-essentials? and now im right? thats the correct answer i have to get when runing chown command?
[03:04] <drakeman> but is that the only thing i do
[03:04] <soreau> (unless you were getting build errors while trying to compile something)
[03:05] <drakeman> just intall it and then i right click and donee, it works....
[03:05] <drakeman> but then thats mean that i dont have permissions messed up?
[03:05] <soreau> drakeman: I think that resolving your issues with the chown command I gave you fixed things ;)
[03:06] <drakeman> well, now that doesnt matter, the important thing is that now everything works fine, and really thanks for your help Soreau, you and all the community are great, sorry, im trying a lot of things im trying to learn with an ebook
[03:06] <drakeman> hehehe
[03:07] <soreau> drakeman: Just don't run as root or with sudo please
[03:07] <drakeman> ok, done! thanks soreau
[03:07] <drakeman> good night, im going to sleep happy, hehe i cant wait for intrepid, hehehe..
[03:07] <drakeman> bye bye people!
[03:07] <drakeman> Regards!
[03:13] <bhuey> soreau: I'll try again
[03:13] <bhuey> maybe it was a general problem
[03:13] <bhuey> I haven't rebooted it yet as well
[03:20] <td123> So I hope ubuntu will finally fix the driver issue/webcam issue for the release :D
[03:21] <td123> I have no 3d acceleration on my intel 945gm
[03:24] <mneptok> !info gmpc
[03:29] <_mary_kate_> there are a lot of packages in 8.10 which suggest packages that don't exist.  should these be reported as bugs?
[03:34] <centaur5> Is there a quick fix if the nm-applet no longer appears even if you manually launch it?
[03:34] <pen> I figured that intrepid would kernel panic when I use pptp VPN
[03:34] <pen> is there a fix to this?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> _mary_kate_:
[03:35] <Hobbsee> _mary_kate_: they're already tracked.
[03:35] <_mary_kate_> okay
[03:38] <mneptok> hrmf.
[03:40] <vbabiy> Does any one know of a fix for the ubuntu 8.10 mic in the Dell XPS M1530
[03:47] <godlygeek> is intrepid missing a valid rgb.txt?
[03:48] <RAOF> Intrepid _is_ missing the need for a rgb.txt file, yes.  You may be running into an nvidia-xconfig bug?
[03:48] <godlygeek> nope.  vim uses rgb.txt to allow for color names instead of #rrggbb codes in its colorschemes...
[03:49] <godlygeek> and i have a script that attempts to approximate the same support without connecting to an x server, which was done by searching against an rgb.txt file.
[03:50] <RAOF> Hm.  I dunno.  As far as I'm aware, you're the first person who's cared about rgb.txt.
[03:52] <godlygeek> why is rgb.txt no longer needed?  some new feature in  modern x's, or...?
[03:52] <OSUKid7> hi, I just upgraded to Intrepid and Network Manager/nm-applet isn't starting automatically. any suggestions for troubleshooting that so I get it running again?
[03:55] <keithclark> I created a usb startup disk with the built in command to do so, and all seemed well.  I tried to boot from it and my computer says "No operating system found"  Where did I go wrong?
[03:57] <esac> dang. i had flash 10 working perfectly in hardy. i moved to intrepid, and still running flash 10, and now it is experiencing the famous hang after 2 second issue
[04:03] <td123> esac: 2 more days till its fixed :D
[04:03] <ethana2> I countdown 'till midnight every day
[04:03] <ethana2> ..'cause at midnight i can decrement my countdown to 8.10
[04:03] <ethana2> ....even though I'm already on it
[04:04] <esac> td123, oh is there a bug # ?
[04:04] <ethana2> I've told people I'll be passing out 8.10 install discs instead of candy, they told me to remind them to skip my house
[04:04] <maco> ethana2: oh thats a good idea
[04:04] <ethana2> What can I say?
[04:04] <ethana2> I like my reese's
[04:05] <maco> i cant eat most halloween candy
[04:05] <godlygeek> RAOF: can you elaborate on why intrepid doesn't need rgb.txt?
[04:05] <vbabiy> Does any one know of a fix for the ubuntu 8.10 mic in the Dell XPS M1530
[04:09] <RAOF> godlygeek: No, not really; I presume that upstream xorg no longer requires it.
[04:09] <godlygeek> RAOF: ok.  thanks.
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> hi, my pluginfinder service is not working at all. When I select a plugin to install, it shows a blank box and doesn't download anything
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> is this  a known bug? Does anyone know what packages the pluginfinder service for firefox is located in so that I can reinstall them?
[04:12] <kubuntu_> hi i am having trouble getting firefox installed
[04:13] <kubuntu_> searching 'firefox' in adept creates a lot of results none of which look right
[04:13] <coppro> try synaptic
[04:13] <coppro> the new adept is weird
[04:13] <kubuntu_> okay thanks i will right now
[04:14] <madwho> Hello
[04:14] <madwho> anybody could help me with keyboard layouts?
[04:14] <x1250> :)
[04:15] <kubuntu_> coppro: after you install with synaptic do you sometimes have to reboot or always or never?
[04:15] <madwho> x1250, r u smiling at me ? :)
[04:15] <coppro> kubuntu_: only if you install a kernel-related package
[04:15] <x1250> madwho, yes! just ask... :)
[04:16] <madwho> x1250,  any hint how to set it ? i'm too lazy to type everytime setxkbmap in terminal
[04:17] <madwho> i tried dpkg-reconfig console-setup
[04:17] <EruditeHermit> madwho: that is how to do it
[04:17] <EruditeHermit> madwho: HAL manages keyboard detection now
[04:18] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i created /etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-keyboard.fdi
[04:18] <madwho> but it don't seem to work
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> madwho: I'm not an expert so I can't really help with that, but I think you are in the right direction with that. Perhaps you have malformatted fdi file?
[04:20] <SyL> soreau: ok, so what do I use so I can pick my SSID to see if the WIFI is working on this laptop
[04:20] <madwho> EruditeHermit, could be but i can't find instructions on that and file i created i copied from some forum don't remember which one
[04:20] <EruditeHermit> ask in #xorg maybe
[04:20] <madwho> EruditeHermit,  ok i'll try
[04:20] <madwho> thnx
[04:20] <soreau> SyL: Does 'iwconfig' show ath0 wnd wifi0?
[04:21] <soreau> and*
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> madwho: or google for more fdi examples
[04:21] <madwho> EruditeHermit, I did but i only find posts with problem but no solution
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> madwho: a lot of people will be getting this because of the new Xorg
[04:22] <madwho> I have no problem on other machine cause i set it during setup but i forgot to do it on this one
[04:22] <madwho> and now can't find how to reconfigure it
[04:22] <madwho> ok i'll ask in xorg
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> madwho: you tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup?
[04:22] <madwho> EruditeHermit, yes didn't do a thing
[04:23] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:23] <SyL> soreau: lo, eth0, wifi0, ath0 (looks like that's the wifi card) pan0. They all say no wireless card except for the ath0 one
[04:23] <coppro> SyL: then the ath0 is the wifi card. Try iwlist scan
[04:24] <soreau> SyL: Great. I assume you're not running nm-applet?
[04:24] <SyL> coppro: that shows SSIDs in the area... woot
[04:24] <SyL> soreau: I'm guessing not? this is Ubuntu Studio... =\
[04:25] <soreau> SyL: Good, then just use iwconfig to set up your ssid and encryption key, then 'dhclient ath0'
[04:25] <SyL> soreau: I bet I could install it though
[04:25] <soreau> SyL: Don't
[04:25] <madwho> EruditeHermit, by the way where do i report bugs ? I had a hard time with grub
[04:26] <SyL> soreau: is there a GUI client that I can use later... the owner of this laptop isn't "good" with computers. =)
[04:26] <coppro> madwho: launchpad.net
[04:26] <madwho> coppro, ok thnx
[04:26] <kubuntu_> coppro: thanks got it working
[04:26] <madwho> had to install grub manually from FC9
[04:27] <FFForever> how can i ripemd160 hash my password?
[04:27] <soreau> SyL: For example, add something like this to /etc/rc.local (on ubuntu): iwconfig ath0 essid <essid> key <key>
[04:27] <keithclark_> How to adjust compiz settings?  I don't see any menu items for it in the default setup of live CD 64 bit running on a usb drive
[04:27] <coppro> soreau: that's not a gui
[04:28] <soreau> SyL: And then 'dhclient ath0'
[04:28] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: you need to install extra packages
[04:28] <soreau> coppro: Was that not obvious?
[04:28] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:28] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: thanks
[04:28] <soreau> SyL: But make sure to test that those commands work in sequence first of course
[04:29] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: where to enable extra packages?
[04:29] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: synaptic
[04:29] <soreau> keithclark_: /etc/apt/spurces.list
[04:30] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: go to System-->Administration-->Synaptic Package Manager and search for compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:31] <EruditeHermit> coppro: do you have a working plugin finder for firefox on your box?
[04:31] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: not findig it.
[04:31] <coppro> Erudite: plugin finder?
[04:31] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: I still don't know where to turn on the extras yet
[04:31] <soreau> keithclark_: Or you could run 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager' (while synaptic isn't running)
[04:32] <keithclark_> soreau: let me try....
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: check in System--> Administration--> Software Sources to see if web updates are enabled. If you are running a live CD the package isn't on the live CD.
[04:32] <SyL> soreau: trying them
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: once you install Ubuntu, it automatically enables web updates
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: but a Live CD may not
[04:32] <soreau> keithclark_: EruditeHermit is also correct
[04:33] <keithclark_> Ah, so in the live cd mode it is not possible
[04:33] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: it is possible, follow my last comment instructions to enable it
[04:33] <keithclark_> The effects work though....that is an improvement.
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in Software Sources, check to enable all web updates
[04:34] <Freelancer86> small question, anyone tried live usb creator in ubuntu?
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> Freelancer86: yes
[04:34] <soreau> Freelancer86: I heard it works fairly well
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> coppro: the firefox plugin finder for java and flash etc
[04:34] <coppro> EruditeHermit: never had it work
[04:34] <coppro> ever
[04:34] <coppro> any os
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> its broken for me on Intrepid now
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> it used to work on Hardy
[04:35] <Freelancer86> good, cause I tried doing it by hand before 8.10 and it was a disaster
[04:35] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: I'm not sure I understand here....Under updates, the first two boxes are checked.  I still see nowhere to "turn on" extras
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> Freelancer86: as long as its an Ubuntu desktop iso, it works well
[04:36] <Freelancer86> cool, thanks
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in Ubuntu software, what do you have checked?
[04:36] <keithclark_> main, restriced and source
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in synaptic click reload
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> and then search again
[04:37] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: ok
[04:37] <soreau> EruditeHermit: This is why I think it's easier to pastebin the output of 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager'
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> soreau: he needs to do a sudo apt-get update first
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> soreau: with that method
[04:38] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: when I tried to close that window, it automatically asked to update
[04:38] <soreau> Then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager ;)
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: then search for it in synaptic again and it should appear
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: or do what soreau said
[04:38] <geremy> hey all, still looking for help with an intel 945's tv out in either hardy or intrepid, assistance would be much appreciated
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: both will do it
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try Xorg
[04:39] <coppro> EruditeHermit: I always just use the plugin packages
[04:39] <EruditeHermit> geremy: #xorg sorry
[04:39] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: no, it does not show up, only compizconfig-backend-gconf does
[04:39] <soreau> keithclark_: What happens when you run 'ccsm' from a terminal?
[04:39] <geremy> EruditeHermit: they were pretty much silent earlier, any other resources? I've been asking in multiple channels about this for 3 days now, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be told to shut up about it pretty quickly
[04:40] <keithclark_> soreau: "ccsm is not installed"
[04:40] <soreau> keithclark_: And does it say how to install it?
[04:40] <keithclark_> soreau: ah, universe
[04:40] <soreau> Ah yes
[04:41] <EruditeHermit> geremy: what do you want to do specifically?
[04:41] <keithclark_> soreau: ok, let me try now
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try this http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[04:42] <soreau> keithclark_: Enable universe, then 'apt-get update' (or gui method) then 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager' (or use synaptic gui)
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> geremy: read up on TV out xrandr commands
[04:42] <geremy> EruditeHermit: looking for a way to get the image that would normally display on my monitor to be displayed on my tv via the svideo out on my intel 945 integrated graphics card
[04:43] <keithclark_> soreau: still does not show up.  Even after a reload
[04:43] <geremy> EruditeHermit: I've been trying those, the main problem at this point is that although I can get the output to display, it appears to roll from top to bottom, and if I switch to terminals I get rainbow colored snow
[04:43] <soreau> keithclark_: That sucks. I don't know why it wouldn't
[04:43] <keithclark_> soreau: trying cl version
[04:44] <soreau> keithclark_: It's in the repos, you just have to figure out how to install it (ccsm)
[04:44] <EruditeHermit> geremy: roll from top to bottom?
[04:44] <soreau> keithclark_: cl version?
[04:44] <crdlb> command line
[04:44] <soreau> Well finally
[04:44] <EruditeHermit> lol
[04:44] <keithclark_> soreau: It worked!  I thank you
[04:45] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: You as well.
[04:45] <soreau> Yea, np *grumble*
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> thats weird
[04:45] <geremy> EruditeHermit: you know those old film reels where if the reel wasn't up to speed you could see the black space between the frames?
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> synaptic didn't find it
[04:45] <soreau> EruditeHermit: The user didn't find it :p
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> geremy: did you add a mode at 800x600
[04:46] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: no, synaptic did not find it!  I'm not sure why.
[04:46] <EruditeHermit> soreau: I guess less can go wrong with copy and paste
[04:46] <geremy> EruditeHermit: I added it, restarted X, no dice, why?
[04:46] <soreau> EruditeHermit: I'm not used to raw ubuntu support. I assume too much.
[04:46] <soreau> Like some weird 3rd world aol chat or sumthin
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> lol
[04:47] <keithclark_> soreau: yes, it could be the user (me)
[04:47] <soreau> Not that I've ever chatted on aol, I only can imagine
[04:47] <SyL> soreau: is there a way to see if I am connected to the Access point?
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> geremy: I really don't know. TV out with intel should work. I would advise waiting it out on #xorg. The intel folk usually are good with helping you and if it is broken, they will try to fix it if you can debug it with them
[04:48] <soreau> SyL: For net access? What does 'ping www.google.com' say?
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> geremy: TV out is one of those iffy areas with Linux though
[04:48] <keithclark_> Now, if I can just take this knowledge back to fix my 32 bit installation on my hard drive.  All would be great.
[04:49] <soreau> SyL: Also, the output of 'iwconfig' is of interest (for essid and access point)
[04:49] <SyL> soreau: checking
[04:49] <madwho> EruditeHermit, solved
[04:49] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i was using legacy keys in .fdi file
[04:50] <SyL> soreau: I don't see it associed, but all the other stuff looks ok
[04:50] <EruditeHermit> madwho: cool, where did you find solution?
[04:50] <geremy> EruditeHermit: yeah... I guess I'll just hang around. Thanks for the reading material.
[04:50] <soreau> SyL: Pastebinnit | I will bbiab
[04:50] <madwho> :) i don't remember
[04:50] <madwho> let me check the history :)
[04:50] <EruditeHermit> madwho: perhaps post in one of the forums so that others can find how to do it too.
[04:53] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i found it here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi
[04:53] <madwho> EruditeHermit, you were right it's a new xorg issue
[04:54] <madwho> EruditeHermit, thanks for the hint
[04:54] <EruditeHermit> madwho: no worries
[04:55] <CarlFK> Atheros AR242x - just activated the driver, dmesg:  ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413);  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[04:55] <madwho> good nite
[04:55] <madwho> exit
[04:56] <CarlFK> it worked good enough with ath5k - and I had it working with madwifi, and maybe with hardy (i forget exactly what I did to make it work)
[04:57] <geremy> EruditeHermit: you wouldn't happen to know when #xorg is most active, would you? Its *totally* dead right now
[04:58] <EruditeHermit> geremy: nope sorry
[04:58]  * crdlb would guess daytime (for Europe and Eastern US)
[04:58] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try at different times of day to get people from different continents though
[05:00] <geremy> EruditeHermit: yeah... such is life I guess. I wonder what paid support goes for
[05:03] <coppro> where have my printer settings gone?
[05:10] <shirish> hi all, I've been getting issues with $ ll *.torrent
[05:10] <shirish> it shows
[05:10] <shirish> ~$ ll *.torrent
[05:10] <shirish> ls: invalid option -- '_'
[05:10] <shirish> Try `ls --help' for more information.
[05:11] <SyL> soreau: this access point is using WPA
[05:20] <mayday_jay> Anyone had any luck getting the Syntek Webcam working under Intrepid? Bus 003 Device 002: ID 174f:6a31 Syntek Web Cam - Asus A8J, F3S, F5R, VX2S, V1S
[05:23] <RAOF> mayday_jay: Yes; mine Just Works(tm)
[05:25] <mayday_jay> RAOF:  hmm...bizarre...works under Hardy....are you running a 64-bit kernel?
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes
[05:25] <RAOF> But that's unlikely to matter.
[05:26] <rww> !intrepid | mayday_jay
[05:26] <mayday_jay> Does 2.6.27 use uvcvideo now instead of stkwebcam?
[05:27] <RAOF> I don't think so; the syntek cameras _arent_ uvc, as far as I know.
[05:27] <mayday_jay> rww: I realize things might be broken...just looking to see if anyone has had a similar issue.  I've scoured the forums, etc.
[05:28] <mayday_jay> RAOF:  Reason I was asking is I've seen a few threads mentioning - modprobe uvcvideo quirks=16 - to achieve luck....tried that and stkwebcam w/o luck...
[05:29] <mayday_jay> RAOF: when you lsusb you show the same device id 174f:6a31?
[05:30] <RAOF> Nah; mine's a bit different.
[05:34] <mayday_jay> RAOF: Thanks anyhow, I'll look around upstream and see what the developers are showing in their bug tracking system....
[05:35] <SyL> soreau: ok, so I got this to work. is there a GUI interface for setting up WIFI?
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> this is interesting
[05:35] <soreau> SyL: Seems like you have your drivers working. yay
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome-session's maxing out one of my cores :\
[05:36] <soreau> SyL: nm-applet can be used, but I cannot say much about it as I use not nm-applet, but customized scripts (called from /etc/rc.local in *buntu )
[05:36] <SyL> soreau: so apt-get install nm-applet
[05:37] <soreau> SyL: I cannot help you any further. You're drivers are now working. )don't break them!(
[05:37] <wgrant> SyL: Click on the network icon in your panel.
[05:38] <Daisuke_Ido> this is insane.  has anyone else experienced this?
[05:40] <SyL> wgrant: it's Ubuntu Studio, I don't see a network panel
[05:42] <Daisuke_Ido> well restarting x took care of it.
[06:05] <DanaG> Heh, FF3.1 no longer has an address bar....
[06:05] <gaelfx> so OOo 3.0 won't be in the final release of Ibex?
[06:05] <DanaG> it has a "Search Bookmarks and History" bar.
[06:05] <DanaG> =þ
[06:05] <rski> gaelfx: no
[06:05] <DanaG> Looks really really stupid.
[06:05] <gaelfx> aw, that makes me a sad panda
[06:07] <spencer> how to get totem-plugin to use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[06:09] <DanaG> I mean, "Search Bookmarks and History" is not even a NOUN.
[06:09] <DanaG> Or an adjective.
[06:09] <DanaG> It's just plain wrong, in my opinion.
[06:10] <DanaG> You don't use a "Turn this to steer the car" wheel.... you use a STEERING wheel.
[06:16]  * DanaG goes off to name all his products with VERBS.
[06:16]  * DanaG types on his "Make letters appear".
[06:16] <DanaG> And stares at his "Display an image".
[06:16] <DanaG> Sounds utterly stupid.  =þ
[06:21] <DanaG> Actually, that's not quite right, either... the thing in Firefox is an imperative verb.
[06:24] <ZuckusFIll> hey so when I first installed the Intrepid release candidate my gnome panels were kinda transparent and really cool looking, after installing some update they're back to the lame regular white ones, any idea why or how to fix it?
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> I can't find anything about it
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> no one even seems to know that the new theme was different for the gnome panels
[06:25] <DanaG> Look in the changelogs of the human-theme package; they disabled the background.
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> do i find that in launchpad or something?
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> and why did they?
[06:25] <DanaG> aptitude changelog human-theme
[06:26] <DanaG> and then google for the launchpad bug number they mention.
[06:26] <DanaG> s/they mention/it mentions/
[06:26] <DanaG> like, google for: ubuntu bug XXXXXX
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> yeah
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> I just found it
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> it's because of a theme changing "bug" except I know how to change the panel if I change the theme, I want my cool panels back!
[06:28] <ZuckusFIll> where can I find that background image
[06:28] <DanaG> You can find the old version of the package on the launchpad.net page for the package, and then open it in archive-manager.
[06:29] <DanaG> I didn't actually see the cool panels; I don't use the default Human theme.
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> hmmmm
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> I'm having trouble finding that package at that version
[06:30] <DanaG> What version?
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> the version that still has the background
[06:31] <DanaG> What version is that, I mean.
[06:32] <ZuckusFIll> well the newest is 0.28.5
[06:32] <ZuckusFIll> so whichever is before that I assume
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, I have it in my apt cache.
[06:33] <DanaG> I'll put it on a web space I have.
[06:33] <ZuckusFIll> I can find the right package, but I'm struggling to find the older version
[06:34] <ZuckusFIll> and it won't let me force-version in synaptic
[06:35] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme
[06:35] <DanaG> Click the version header.
[06:35] <DanaG> Then "builds - > i386"
[06:36] <ZuckusFIll> hmmm, I wonder why I couldn't find that
[06:36] <DanaG> Then the "resulting binaries" on the right.
[06:36] <ZuckusFIll> thanks man
[06:36] <DanaG> It's rather obscure, actually.  I've had to dig around there myself sometimes.
[06:36] <DanaG> You can just open it with archive-manager and grab the panel image itself.
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> yeah
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> I got it working!
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> sweet guys
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> this is the best IRC channel ever
[06:38] <void^> !best
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> lol
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> I don't think the moderator bot understood
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> lol
[06:45] <Sebboh> Maybe it's his best attempt to make an auto reply script? ;)
[06:45] <Sebboh> ... nope.
[06:46] <billybigrigger> how can i find out what ftp package my ibex beta server is using?
[06:46] <billybigrigger> like i know port 21 is open, but what deamon is running?
[06:47] <void^> use netstat, with -p
[06:51] <billybigrigger> hrmm ok so where are proftpd's users info stored? i lost my password
[06:52] <Sebboh> netstat -anpt <-- show listening ports, too, numeric, and skip the unix socket stuff.
[06:52] <billybigrigger> the user is billysftp/ but i dont know the password, looking at /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf it says the user the deamon runs is the user proftpd
[06:54] <coloquialist1> Hi! just upgraded from Hardy to INtrepid, and display drivers are not loading properly.
[06:54] <coloquialist1> can anyone assist ?
[06:56] <dli_> coloquialist1, what video card?
[06:58] <coloquialist1> its a radeon 9600
[06:59] <coloquialist1> it seemed to be working fine using "restricted drivers" in Hardy.
[06:59] <dli_> coloquialist1, it should work with the open source radeon driver
[07:01] <dli_> coloquialist1, make sure you have the package: xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[07:03] <coloquialist1> dli_: ok,
[07:03] <elpargo> hi, I downloaded the USB image for the rc. where can I find instructions on how to run it?
[07:09] <rhkfin> elpargo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:09] <rhkfin> also check this and if possiblee, comment/confirm/something: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/290166
[07:10] <elpargo> rhkfin, oh I though that was a version the ran from the USB (same as the liveCD)
[07:11] <rhkfin> elpargo: I think you need to download the .iso cd image and process that to usb (with tools behind that link)
[07:19] <coloquialist1> dli_:The package is there, but Ubuntu is forcing me into low resolution mode
[07:19] <elpargo> rhkfin, I'm confused the link you gave me gives instructions on how to create the liveUSB from the iso, but what I have is http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img
[07:19] <dli_> coloquialist1, do you get a native resolution in command: xrandr
[07:23] <rhkfin> elpargo: huh, don't know about mobile.. But I'd think you have still use those tools to put it on usb..
[07:23] <rhkfin> just copying it there will not be enough
[07:24] <elpargo> rhkfin, yes I know it won't work.
[07:26] <elpargo> but now i know what happen. the name trick me. the download site says "Mobile USB image"
[07:26] <Coloquialist> dli_: I didn't understand what information you neededfrom xrandr
[07:26] <elpargo> "The mobile USB image allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all"
[07:27] <Coloquialist> dli_: I am just learning: windows sys admin turned ubuntu nub. so I'm trying to keep up.
[07:27] <elpargo> rhkfin, the one you are talking about is the "MID USB image" "This USB image is optimized for handheld devices with 4-7" touchscreens and limited processing power."
[07:27] <genesismachine> I've just installed 8.10 on a macbook (2,1) and the keyboard is all messed up. What used to be keys 108 and 116 are now something else - 108 is the down arrow, not sure about 116. I now have no down arrow button. However, I know that X is detecting it correctly since in the gdm login screen, the arrow works fine... So it's something in my user profile
[07:29] <genesismachine> Any ideas what it is in my user profile that could be messing things up? I deleted the contents of my .xmodmap file to no avail... Right click was mapped to right apple, and middle click was mapped to enter. Now, down arrow = right click, unless I disable the 'mouse keys' setting - in which case, down arrow does nothing. Except if I do fn-down arrow, it's still page down, so I know the key number is still mapped correc
[07:31] <rhkfin> elpargo: whatever :)
[07:31] <elpargo> rhkfin, awesome way of saying I don't know what I was talking about.
[07:32] <elpargo> anyone here knows how to get this http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img into the USB to use it?
[07:33] <Coloquialist> dli_: what info should I be looking for from the xrandr command ?
[07:33] <dli_> Coloquialist, resolutions
[07:34] <rhkfin> elpargo: I still believe you have to use the tools provided here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:34] <rhkfin> anyone confirm?
[07:35] <elpargo> rhkfin, so I'll just use the .img file instead of the .iso file as input? if so then why provide this .img file?
[07:35] <Coloquialist> dli_: Screen 0: minimum 1600 x 1200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1200
[07:35] <rhkfin> elpargo: I think so, yes.
[07:36] <dli_> Coloquialist, and you want higher?
[07:36] <rhkfin> give it a try..
[07:37] <rhkfin> elpargo: it's called "mobile" because of this: This USB image is optimized for ultra-mobile PCs and netbooks with screens up to 10". You will need at least 256MB of RAM to install from this image.
[07:37] <rhkfin> and .img because .iso refers usually to a cd
[07:37] <rhkfin> I guess..
[07:38] <Coloquialist> dli_: no.. lower. This machine is a laptop. Everything is TINY!.
[07:39] <dli_> Coloquialist, randr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768
[07:39] <dli_> Coloquialist, for example
[07:40] <dli_> Coloquialist, then, you can also config in System->preferences->Screen Resolution
[07:40] <dli_> Coloquialist, it's not a driver issue, just set the resolution
[07:40] <RAOF> Coloquialist: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution would be the obivous choice for resolution settings; that way they'll be remembered across sessions.
[07:41] <elpargo> rhkfin, i'll try it, but I think the wording is wrong. "USB image" stands for something you put in your drive, the same way as CD image, if it's just optimized for "ultra-mobile PCs" it should be call USB.
[07:42] <Coloquialist> dli_: I only have the one option in resolution settings. Also: whenever I boot, I'm being told that ubuntu is forcing me to low graphics mode (don't remember the exact error). and then forced into 1600x1200.
[07:43] <rhkfin> elpargo: right, you put it on usb just like you put a cd image to a cd. You don't just copy it, it needs to be put there in a special way. It's usb & mobile because mobile devices usually don't have a cd drive..
[07:44] <rhkfin> elpargo: found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[07:45] <scientus> anyone have a recommended virrtual machine host?
[07:45] <rhkfin> I think it essentially does the same what the other tools do
[07:46] <elpargo> ohh there you go. that's exactly what I was looking for.
[07:46] <dli_> Coloquialist, does xrandr work?
[07:46] <elpargo> scientus, host as in webhost or which server to use as host when you are installing it?
[07:47] <Coloquialist> dli_: when I pasted  "xrandr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768" into the console, I got the help display
[07:47] <elpargo> rhkfin, ok so it seems I do have the wrong file. as I don't have a "mobile" device.
[07:48] <rhkfin> elpargo: in that case yes
[07:49] <scientus> web host that offers virtual machines root access
[07:49] <elpargo> scientus, I do but this isn't really the channel for that.
[07:51] <beilabs> Hey guys, just updated to intrepid, now gconfd is now taking up 100% of my CPU....any ideas what I could do?
[07:51] <Coloquialist>  dli_: I see.. you missed a - .. now: "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768" does seem to work no issues (returns with no errors or help text), but does not change the resolution.
[07:51] <beilabs> when I try and kill gconfd then it just restarts straight away
[07:51] <dli_> Coloquialist, so your resolution is indeed 1024x768
[07:52] <dli_> Coloquialist, running xrandr without parameter would confirm this
[07:53] <Coloquialist> when I run xrandr without parameters, I get:  randr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768, even after running "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768"
[07:53] <Coloquialist> dli: uhh ..that came out wrong.
[07:53] <vega> Coloquialist: just put the output in pastebin.com ..
[07:55] <ZuckusFIll> hey guys, my window borders flicker between there and just whiteness as my move my mouse around them, has anyone seen that before?
[07:55] <ZuckusFIll> I'm on a 7600GT
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> I've seen it before back in Gutsy
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> but I never fixed it
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> I'd hate to live with this for another 6 months
[07:56] <alanbshepard77> are there any known bugs for 8.10 involving a laptop touchpad? At the moment using a completely updated 8.10 RC install with a touchpad is a miserable experience.
[07:57] <ZuckusFIll> if I put my mouse on the window border sometimes it's as if the window border just turns white
[07:57] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: I largely maintain touchpad stuff now. What is your issue?
[07:58] <Coloquialist> dli_: http://pastebin.com/m66e397f4 I guess thats better than
[07:58] <Coloquialist> vega: thx for etiquette help.
[08:00] <ZuckusFIll> anybody seen that?
[08:00] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: when using a/the touchpad the mouse the windows jump around, scroll erratically and the system switches between desktops at it's own will, seemingly. None of the previously mentioned issues occur when using a mouse.
[08:00] <dli_> Coloquialist, I think the driver fails in identifying LVDS, sounds like a driver issue here
[08:01] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: You're sure that you're not using a region of the touchpad intended for scrolling?
[08:01] <Coloquialist> dli_: Ok... so what is my next step?  bug report? Find new driver ? regress to Hardy ?
[08:01] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: mouse the windows jump around = the cursor jumps around and moves windows along with it. Sorry. To answer your question no I'm not using a region of the touchpad devoted to scrolling.
[08:02] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, which type of laptop and touchpad is it?
[08:02] <dli_> Coloquialist, xrandr --screen 0 --mode 1024x768
[08:02] <wgrant> For touchpad type, is it ALPS, Synaptics, or something else that uses the -synaptics driver?
[08:02] <alanbshepard77> I have a sony vaio model PCG-71ml version VGN-FS980
[08:03] <BUGabundo_work> good morning everyone
[08:03]  * BUGabundo_work waves at wgrant
[08:03] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: i believe the touchpad is an electrostatic type.
[08:04] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Not quite what I was looking for - find it in the output of 'xinput list', and tell me what it is called.
[08:04] <wgrant> Hi BUGabundo_work.
[08:04] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: sorry, one second on that info.
[08:04] <Coloquialist> dli_: command failed.
[08:04] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: have you tried selecting a different theme, preferably one using a different engine?
[08:05] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: I've seen some strange stuff before with a particular theme with compiz + nvidia that was fixed by switching theme
[08:05] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: not ideal, i know but could save your sanity :)
[08:05]  * BUGabundo_work humm I can already feel the smell of the new jaunty chainlogs!
[08:05] <ZuckusFIll> well, darkroom still did it, but let me try some others
[08:05] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"	id=4	[XExtensionPointer]     "PS/2 Mouse"	id=5	[XExtensionPointer]
[08:06] <wgrant> OK, so it's an ALPS.
[08:06] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Enable SHMConfig (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig), fire up 'synclient -m 10' and do so some stuff on the touchpad for a few seconds.
[08:06] <wgrant> Then pastebin the output and give me the link.
[08:06] <dli_> Coloquialist, try manually xorg.conf: Ctl-Alt-F1, stop X by sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop; sudo X -configure
[08:06] <wgrant> !pastebin
[08:07] <wgrant> dli_: Why?
[08:07] <dli_> Coloquialist, I think the new driver version failed in reading your display modes
[08:07] <wgrant> X -configure is very rarely a good idea.
[08:08] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: ok, will do.
[08:08] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Thanks.
[08:10] <ZuckusFIll> well... glossy doesn't do it, but it also really doesn't fit
[08:11] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: the page you linked to says I must log out and then back in for the changes to take place in enabling shmconfig so I'll be right back.
[08:11] <Coloquialist> dli_: just to be clear the "stop;" in your text means "end of cmd line1, begin 2nd command" right ?
[08:11] <dli_> Coloquialist, Ctl-alt-f1 to console, login to stop X
[08:12] <ZuckusFIll> oh wait, All i had to do was change the window border to glossy! yay!
[08:12] <dli_> Coloquialist, and try X -configure from there
[08:12] <ZuckusFIll> man 2 for 2, you guys are kicking butt in here today!
[08:12] <noam> i'm on kubuntu 8.10, and audio in flash doesn't work.
[08:12] <cloud-ieee> Has anyone here done a Ubuntu network install?
[08:12] <Iejoor> Will kubuntu and ubuntu be released simultanuously?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:13] <wgrant> They always are
[08:13] <noam> will audio in flash in firefox work on kubuntu when it's released?
[08:13] <wgrant> dli_: Why do you recommend X -configure? That has not been recommended for a very long time.
[08:15] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I followed the instructions on the linked page to enable shmconfig but it's not working, any advice on that front?
[08:16] <mntnpngn> just wondering which version of the kernel is 2.6.27-7-server based on?   is it just 2.6.27 ?
[08:16] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: What do you mean not working?
[08:17] <wgrant> mntnpngn: From the second-last changelog entry:
[08:17] <wgrant>   * Linux 2.6.27.2
[08:17] <mntnpngn> ahh ok
[08:17] <mntnpngn> thanks
[08:17] <alanbshepard77> when I type this  "synclient -m 10" into a terminal I get this response "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[08:18] <coloquialist> dli: and.. blank screen
[08:18] <dli_> coloquialist, what did you do?
[08:19] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Erm... xinput list-props "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"
[08:19] <ZuckusFIll> noam, what audio card do you have?
[08:19] <ZuckusFIll> noam: does audio work in other applications?
[08:19] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: pastebin the output?
[08:19] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Please.
[08:20] <coloquialist> ctl+alt+F1, logged ito the CLI, and entered the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop;" and " sudo X -configure" as you requested
[08:20] <wgrant> Why are you running X -configure?
[08:20] <wgrant> I've asked a few times now.
[08:20] <wgrant> It's almost never the right thing to do.
[08:21] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63542/
[08:21] <dli_> coloquialist, yes, now edit /root/xorg.conf.new
[08:22] <coloquialist> dli_: not to sound rude.. but how? I had to log into IRC frrom my media server sitting next to me. My laptop is still sitting at a completely blank screen.
[08:24] <dli_> coloquialist, the easiest would be install openssh-server on the laptop, it's much easier to test from ssh login
[08:25] <wgrant> It's also somewhat easier and better to *use the proper configuration method*.
[08:28] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: any ideas as to what's wrong if anything?
[08:28] <coloquialist> dli_: Ok.. Just so I'm on the same page.. Your requesting that I reboot the laptop, get into the Ubuntu GUI, grab the OPEN SSH package configure the device so it can be SSHd into, SSH into the device, kill Gnome display manager using /etc/init.d/gdm stop; and then enter the X -configure command before we can proceed?
[08:28] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, so that's sort of working. You put the appropriate file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy?
[08:29] <wgrant> coloquialist: What is the problem that you are encountering?
[08:29] <dli_> coloquialist, yes, and you have to edit the xorg.conf.new file, since the driver failed in some auto-detecting
[08:29] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: according to the linked page yes.
[08:30] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Hrmmm. Perhaps reboot - HAL might not have picked it up.
[08:30] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: will do, brb.
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: do you know where I can find leann?
[08:31] <ArShAm> hi all
[08:31] <ArShAm> I recently downloaded the intrepid alternate CD
[08:32] <itai_michaelson> hi, what kind of upgrade is it from beta to stable? just a few packages?
[08:32] <ArShAm> it wants to remove 467 of my packages, or it says it has to get almost 1.4 Gb of data
[08:32] <ArShAm> as soon as I have a very slow connection , I don't need the either ways
[08:32] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: ogasawara in #ubuntu-bugs.
[08:32] <ZuckusFIll> use sneaker-net with apt-on-cd
[08:33] <wgrant> itai_michaelson: RC to stable is fairly small, but beta could have hundreds of upgrades.
[08:33] <ArShAm> how can I do the upgrade without fetching the whole upgrades nor removing the current stuff?
[08:33] <wgrant> ArShAm: You probably can't.
[08:33] <itai_michaelson> wgrant, i meant RC ,downloaded yesterday
[08:34] <wgrant> itai_michaelson: Ah, not too huge an upgrade, then.
[08:34] <itai_michaelson> wgrant, thanks
[08:35] <wgrant> I can't give you anything too exact, sorry.
[08:35] <coloquialist> wgrant: FYI, upgrade from hardy to intrepid, hardy used restricted drivers, intrepid now forcing me to low resolution mode. xrandr communicating only one resolution, and no ability to set resolutions in Resolutionmanager. Laptp using mobile radeon 9600
[08:35] <alanbshepard77> wgrant" ok it's working. Anything specific you'd like to capture or just random movement will be enough?
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> thanks wgrant
[08:36] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Nothing in particular, just normal movement.
[08:37] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: np
[08:39] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: pastbin the whole thing? Should I have output to a file instead of letting it scroll down the terminal window?
[08:40] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: You could output it to a file, and perhaps run it with -m 100 instead.
[08:40] <wgrant> That will reduce the volume of data by an order of magnituded.
[08:40] <wgrant> -d
[08:40] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: ok
[08:40] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: add the -d option?
[08:41] <wgrant> -d?
[08:41] <wgrant> I wasn't aware it took -d
[08:42] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I said that because of this  -->  (03:40:31 AM) wgrant: -d               you posted that after you asked me to make it -m 100
[08:42] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Ah, sorry, I meant "minus the 'd'", as I had an extra 'd' on the end of 'magnitude'
[08:43] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: oh ok.
[08:45] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: the output -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63547/ unfortunately the touchpad didn't act as crazy when collecting the data as it normally does.
[08:45] <coloquialist> dli_: ok.. SSH server installed, ssh to the device, kill gnome window manager and... the laptop becomes unpingable
[08:46] <dli_> coloquialist, disable gdm from being started, update-rc.d -f gdm remove; reboot
[08:46] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Hmm, there's nothing too insane about that.
[08:49] <coloquialist> dli_: rebooting now. I'm assuming I shouldn't be getting a window manager when it boots ?
[08:49] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: yea things never went crazy when collecting the data. But a lot of the time windows scroll at random......
[08:50] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: , things zoom in and out at will, the active desktop switches, other windows get selected, etc....  when/while it's happening the computer becomes unusable.
[08:50] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Reminds me of something that used to happen on a laptop I had a bit over a decade ago... does it only happen on Intrepid?
[08:50] <wgrant> As that turned out to be a hardware fault.
[08:51] <coloquialist> dli_:system rebooted. in the CLI. where to now ?
[08:53] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: yea everything worked/works fine with hardy but not with intrepid.
[08:54] <dli_> coloquialist, X -configure
[08:54] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Grmph. A synclient trace for when it is going crazy would be useful
[08:54] <wgrant> Touchpads can be very... touchy.
[08:54] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: right now I can go into windows or even the 7.10 release of ubuntu and everything works fine. I only have problems with 8.10RC.
[08:55] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, there goes the easy way out :(
[08:55]  * wgrant likes being able to blame things on hardware.
[08:55] <coloquialist> dli_: uhh.. same thing.. laptop screen goes blank. Laptop unping-able
[08:55] <hackel> The bluetooth-alsa package was removed from Intrepid.  Is there a replacement?  Why was it removed?
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: bah I've been testing hibernation.,...
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> that's a real mess
[08:55] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: Why?
[08:56] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: At first I thought it was a newly implemented feature that I needed to get used to, then I started thinking oh I don't want to get used to this, my comp is crazy!
[08:57] <wgrant> hackel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499052
[08:57] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: would a longer capture be helpful?
[08:57] <wgrant> hackel: It seems that you want bluez-audio
[08:57] <hackel> wgrant, ah, thanks. :)  I was even searching Debian's BTS but didn't manage to find that one.
[08:58] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: I only need it for the time when it's going crazy.
[08:58] <hackel> wgrant, but bluez-audio was removed from Intrepid also!
[08:58] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I'll start the capture and paste the part relevant to when it starts acting weird.
[08:59] <wgrant> hackel: It was NBS... let's see what I can find out.
[08:59] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Sure.
[08:59] <coloquialist> @DLI_: uhh,,, screen goes blank, , but when I go to Ctrl+Alt+1 it brings me back to the same CLI I just left
[08:59] <wgrant> hackel: bluez-alsa, perhaps.
[09:00] <dli_> coloquialist, you can do X thing from ssh loging
[09:00] <dli_> coloquialist, now, you need to specify monitor and screen sections
[09:01] <wgrant> What is so special about coloquialist's hardware configuration that requires the obsolete manual configuration?
[09:02] <hackel> wgrant, yeah, I'm not certain and I don't have my hardware here to test if it's working, but I'll keep playing with it.  Thanks.
[09:02] <coloquialist> dli_: that would work, 'cept when I kill the window manager,  it killes my wifi link.
[09:03] <coloquialist> do I really now need to bring my laptop across the house, so I can SSH to it ?
[09:03] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: GOT IT! it just went freakin nuts. I was browsing the web and it clicked on random stuff and then just started clocing windows and scrolling pages. To answer the obvious question, yes it acts the same with other programs not just firefox.
[09:04] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, let's see that trace!
[09:04] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: clocing = closing.
[09:05] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63553/
[09:05] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: At which stage did it go crazy?
[09:06] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: The real crazy part was real close to the time 190.384
[09:07] <coloquialist> @DLI_: allright.. laptop now across house, hardwired to router. not pulling DHCP for some reason. how do I grant it a static via CLI ?
[09:07] <coloquialist> \w coloquialist stuff
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: because it aint working, and I'm triaging it now!
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> oh nice, now my mouse doesnt work
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I found what's making it fail.... usb ?
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> freezer test failed
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> now to test devices
[09:10] <dli_> coloquialist, ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:10] <dli_> coloquialist, ifconfig eth0 up
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> kernel lock... how nice
[09:11] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: anything abnormal that you notice so far?
[09:12] <Prometheus7777> hi, have ubuntu intrepid rc and i use Quanta in gnome and i can't find kio package that allow me to use sftp in quanta? Which package should i install?
[09:12] <coloquialist> dli_: ssh connection refused
[09:14] <skwashd> anyone been finding that evolution is crashing regularly, EDS is hanging a lot more frequently and evo even segfaulting?
[09:15] <skwashd> running 2.24.1-0ubuntu2 here
[09:16] <alanbshepard77> sorry for this question but does anyone else think the default background looks like a blood stained piece of leather and is it supposed to be exactly that?
[09:16] <coloquialist> dli_: ok .. so SSH is no go unless we bring up the ssh server under the CLI.
[09:17] <coloquialist> alanbshepard777: uhh.. I see a vaguely stylized image of an ibex (atleast I assume thats what the horsey thing is)
[09:17] <skwashd> alanbshepard77: i think it looks rather ye olde worlde ... but is pretty cool
[09:17] <skwashd> it grew on me more over the first day ... the herron ended up annoying me even tho i really like it when i first saw it
[09:18] <skwashd> but i do think it looks more like a bird than an ibex
[09:19] <alanbshepard77> lol ah I see it now, to me the horns looked like a ring left by condensation on a cup without a coaster.
[09:21] <ronny> hi
[09:21] <alanbshepard77> ronny: Hi.
[09:21] <coloquialist> dli you there ?
[09:21] <ronny> anyone knows how to get pulseaudio to work with xfce on intrepid?
[09:21] <ronny> its kinda borked
[09:22] <ronny> no sound, no mixer, and alsamixer refuses to work
[09:22] <skwashd> ronny: the number of things broken seems to increase with each update :(
[09:23] <coloquialist> it Appears my anonymous support buddy has ditched me with a laptop that is essentially bricked for my skill level.
[09:24] <ronny> skwashd: thats unfortunate
[09:24] <coloquialist> I would enter something sarcastic here, but I guess that wouldn't do anything. Night all. Gluck.
[09:25] <ronny> skwashd: we planned to hold an linux install party with intrepid on  Nov 26
[09:25] <skwashd> ronny: thing were looking good with intrepid about 2-3 weeks ago ... but each time i update more stuff breaks
[09:25] <skwashd> hardy was worse tho
[09:26] <skwashd> ronny: cool ... lets hope there is a rush of fixes
[09:27] <dustofdust> hi :)
[09:27] <dustofdust> i have a problem with 8.10rc, i have a msi kt3 with geforce2mx and a crt monitor which can do 1280*1024 @100hz. at install i get 1920 or so, i dont get an option with 1280*1024@100hz
[09:28] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: can you give me some pointers on bug 290191
[09:29] <dustofdust> for people who want to switch from windows to ubuntu, how can they do a backup of all their windows stuff, on for example an external usb harddisk. any programs on board?
[09:30] <BUGabundo_work> dustofdust: I would use clonezilla
[09:30] <BUGabundo_work> I use for everything that is backup related
[09:32] <dustofdust> thanks looks good, do you have any idea how i can find out problems with an external usb hd. im pretty sur it can transfer quicker than 700kb/s
[09:38] <[tla]> when trying to upgrade to intrepid from hardy why is download of the *ntfs-3g* files returning "forbidden"? Thx
[09:39] <nickbooker> Where are the ACPI scripts now?  I'm informed that /etc/acpi/ scripts are now deprecated.
[09:44] <vega> [tla]: sounds like repository problems.. try again after some time
[09:45] <zbyszek> hi i have a seriour roblem with 8,10 while booting the system i get a message "starting NFS kernel deamon" and nothing else
[09:45] <zbyszek> no login screen
[09:45] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: you still there?
[09:45] <zbyszek> do you know this problem?
[09:46] <[tla]> vega: ok.  just removed the offending packages and the upgrade is going ok
[09:48] <alanbshepard77> shouldn't enabling the cube in compiz automatically set your number of desktops to four?
[09:48] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  I'm trying to apt-get upgrade to procps=1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2 (from s/2$/1/).  I get "Failed to fetch http://localhost:3142/mirrors.dk.telia.net/ubuntu/pool/main/p/procps/procps_3.2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb  Size mismatch"; my one /var/lib/apt/lists/*telia*intrepid_main_binary* says procps has size 225984.  When I download procps through http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/procps/download from telias mirror, I also get 225984 octets.  What give
[09:50] <jonaskoelker> nvm... it's probably apt-cacher-ng screwing up (listening on localhost:3142), as it works when I don't use it
[09:52] <alanbshepard77> having said that how do I set my number of desktops to four?
[09:53] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: wmctrl -n 4
[09:54] <jonaskoelker> that sets it transiently
[09:54] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:  Thanks.
[09:56] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: didn't work, does it require a logout?
[09:57] <zbyszek> hi can anyone help me? i cannot access my PC
[09:58] <alanbshepard77> zbyszek: can you be more specific? What exactly is the problem? What led up to you not being able to access your PC?
[09:58] <dustofdust> any idea why an external usb hd is slow at 700kb/s with 8.10rc?
[09:58] <zbyszek> i alanbshepard77 i installed 8.10 and now when i try to boot the system, it hangs on "Starting NTP server ntpd"
[09:58] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: I didn't see you were talking about compiz, sorry
[10:00] <alanbshepard77> zbyszek: sorry that problem is beyond my skill level (most likely) but someone else should be able to help you. The more info you can give when requesting help the better. ;)
[10:00] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: ccsm -> general -> desktop size
[10:00] <Almindor> any idea why disk activity is so crippling ?
[10:01] <Almindor> I noticed this since 8.04 or so, whenever there was disk activity (minimal cpu) everything goes to hell (including graphical stuff already loaded/cached)
[10:01] <jonaskoelker> zbyszek: do you have anything in /etc/init.d/* | grep ntp?
[10:01] <jonaskoelker> (that'd be the same as /etc/init.d/*ntp*)
[10:01] <definitely> Hello i am one problem. I am using AMD64 version of Intrepid Ibex. When i try to play music with any player i get something like distrubs  in sound always.
[10:02] <definitely> i have one problem''
[10:02] <zbyszek> jonaskoelker well i can do nothing now
[10:02] <jonaskoelker> definitely: for which values of "any player"?
[10:02] <zbyszek> even acces commnd line
[10:02] <jonaskoelker> zbyszek: boot into single user mode
 Bashee, rhythmbox
[10:02] <zbyszek> i tried befre with recovery mode
[10:02] <zbyszek> and it succeded
[10:02] <zbyszek> but i think there was something wrong with xrg
 Also Totem
[10:03] <zbyszek> cos i couldnt use mouse
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> nevermind that, I only want you to use it to hack the ntp problem
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> definitely: try mplayer.  Does banshee use totem?
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> (I don't know banshee)
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> sorry, s/totem/gstreamer
[10:04] <jonaskoelker> looking at its dependencies, that would suggest so
[10:04] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:  Thanks that did it.
[10:04] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: np :)
 ok installing mplayer.
[10:05] <jonaskoelker> definitely: I think it's a bug in gstreamerd -- banshee, rythmbox and totem all use the same code to turn mp3s into .wav'ish data that's sent to the sound card.  mplayer uses something different.
[10:05] <definitely> What uses Exaile ?
[10:06] <definitely> I didint tryed exaile but it's also my favotire music player
[10:06] <elmargol> try totem-xine
[10:06] <jonaskoelker> definitely: run "apt-cache show exaile | grep Depends:", see how gstreamer occurs
[10:07] <jonaskoelker> elmargol: what, something with a gui??  ;)
[10:07] <elmargol> jonaskoelker: the dark age is over
[10:08] <Almindor> btw. what about the network manager?
[10:08] <Almindor> it disapeared from my panel and I have no visual network configure tool
[10:08] <Almindor> (not that it worked...)
[10:08] <definitely> jonaskoelker: Same with mplayer
[10:08] <Almindor> (I can add an applet which looks like it but it's just the watch thing)
[10:09] <jonaskoelker> definitely: damn.  Try vlc and totem-xine, just in case
[10:10] <jonaskoelker> definitely: which kernel are you running?  2.6.27-*?  Try running older ones, just in case it's an alsa or driver issue...
[10:10] <definitely> how to check wich i am using
[10:10] <definitely>  ?
[10:10] <jonaskoelker> definitely: $ uname -r
[10:10] <definitely> 2.6.27-7-generic
[10:11] <definitely> xine gives the same..
[10:11] <jonaskoelker> bad xine :(
[10:11] <jonaskoelker> try an older kernel
[10:12] <definitely> first i need to finish update. As i see some updates are here.
[10:12] <definitely> :]
[10:12] <jonaskoelker> :)
[10:15] <alanbshepard77> is there anything like btnx for intrepid?
[10:15] <victim[v]> Hi, how can I enable screen resolutions greater than 640 by 480? glxinfo - http://paste.ubuntu.com/63571/  xorg - http://paste.ubuntu.com/63572/
[10:15] <lup0> can anyone tell if there is a channel for boot optimization in ubuntu?
[10:19] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: ok that was only a half fix for compiz. The setting for number of desktops was greyed out so I adjusted the horizontal and vertical virtual desktop settings. That gave me a grid of desktops and the cube somehow worked but it slowed my system to a crawl.
[10:20] <jonaskoelker> interesting...
[10:20] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: The cube worked great with hardy. I did have to use gconf-editor to enable 4 desktops but that's greyed out as well.
[10:20] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: greyed out in intrepid in both places, just clarifying.
[10:21] <jonaskoelker> do you need four desktops for anything in particular, or is four workspaces equivalent? [if it's up to speed, of course]
[10:22] <Almindor> oh great work on that driver AMD..
[10:22] <Almindor> now fullscreen/gl doesn't work right
 yeah it is smth with alsa, in sound preferences when i push test i get the same distrubs
[10:22] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: anything that allows me to have several sets of workspaces/desktops is acceptable to me so I can multitask. Letting me use them with the cube of compiz was just a bonus. I'm just wondering why it's not working anymore.
[10:23] <Almindor> is there a way to use the free radeon driver?
[10:23] <jonaskoelker> definitely: do you have good sound on older kernels?
[10:23] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: ... as of course it should :)
[10:23] <definitely> Dunno its new pc, and new ubuntu here
[10:23] <definitely> :D
[10:23] <crdlb> alanbshepard77: number_of_desktops has been disabled by ubuntu since it's never a good idea to use it
[10:24] <crdlb> I can't imagine why viewports would be particularly slow though
[10:24] <jonaskoelker> crdlb: why are desktops a bad idea to use?
[10:24] <crdlb> because compiz doesn't use them
[10:25] <crdlb> every plugin is designed for viewports, desktops supports is only there for completeness
[10:26] <crdlb> and the ubuntu people have apparently realized that completeness is not always a good thing :)
[10:26] <alanbshepard77> crdlb: Thanks for the info.
[10:27] <alanbshepard77> I guess I won't be using the desktop cube anymore. To get it to work I needed to have 4 horizontal and 4 virtual desktops for a total of 16 :-o
[10:27] <crdlb> ?
[10:27] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: that sounds strange... how have you found that out?
[10:28] <crdlb> that doesn't make any sense; if you did that, the desktops would only be accessible via the pager, since nothing in compiz will let you switch them
[10:28] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:   CCSM -> General -> Desktop size
[10:30] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: CCSM -> General -> Desktop size  gives me three options, number of desktops is disabled though. but I did find that if I set both of the other options to 4 each (16 total) the desk cube worked as advertised (like it did with hardy)
[10:30] <jonaskoelker> o_O
[10:30] <crdlb> it will also work if you set vertical to 1
[10:30] <crdlb> vertical is only really usable with Wall
[10:30] <crdlb> (but you can always access them with Expo)
 same problem with older kernel
[10:32] <alanbshepard77> crdlb: lol duh :::::facepalm::::::  vertical to 1 does work also
[10:32] <alanbshepard77> crdlb:  I'm going to be in the corner if anyone needs me.
[10:33] <jonaskoelker> definitely: did someone pee or your sound card? ;)
[10:33] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: I love corners.  Let me come sit with you
[10:34] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: You know what they say, misery loves company.
[10:34] <definitely> jonaskoelker: what means pee
[10:34] <definitely>  ?
[10:34] <OxDeadC0de> hello all, I downloaded kubuntu metapackages from the regular gnome II, now when I start kde I have a couple problems - Guidance power manager and nm-applet keep starting, I can't figure out where to disable them in favor of the kde versions that are running too, any ideas?
[10:34] <jonaskoelker> definitely: urinate
[10:34] <definitely> jonaskoelker: i cant find word urinate in dictionary
[10:34] <definitely> :D
[10:35] <jonaskoelker> yellow penis liquid
[10:35] <alanbshepard77> lmao!
[10:35] <definitely> lol
[10:35] <definitely> No ;D
[10:35] <definitely> It's new pc. Everything is Intel or geforce
[10:35] <definitely> ;D
[10:36] <jonaskoelker> no yellow liquids from girly bits either?
[10:36] <alanbshepard77> geforce or peeforce?
[10:36] <definitely> not funny.
[10:36] <definitely> In windows my sound works ok
[10:36] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: isn't peeforce a versioning system? ;)
[10:36] <definitely> :S
[10:37] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: In some respects ;)
[10:37] <jonaskoelker> okay, so we can assume the hardware works
[10:37] <definitely> in btw in older kerneli was gettings sound beeeeep till i logged into desktop
[10:38] <definitely> getting''
[10:38] <alanbshepard77> definitely: Maybe your hardware requires restricted drivers. i'd love to help you but I'm not familiar with your setup so some other knowledgeable gent will have to do it.
[10:39] <definitely> or ubuntu just hates me lol
[10:39] <definitely> ;D
[10:39] <jonaskoelker> could be
[10:39] <definitely> In btw motherboard: Intel G31
[10:39] <jonaskoelker> the betas really hate a lot of people ;)
[10:39] <definitely> It is RC not  beta :P
[10:40] <alanbshepard77> yea and I'm one of "those" people
[10:40] <OxDeadC0de> I downloaded kubuntu metapackages from the regular gnome II, now when I start kde  - Guidance power manager and nm-applet keep starting, I can't figure out where to disable them in favor of the kde versions that are running too, any ideas?
[10:40] <jonaskoelker> s/beta/rc/
[10:41] <definitely> It's discrimination of my hardware lol.
[10:41] <definitely> :D
[10:44] <definitely> How can i check alsa version
[10:44] <definitely>  ?
[10:44]  * jonaskoelker punts
[10:45] <OxDeadC0de> alsamixer -v ?
[10:46] <definitely> thnx hmm
[10:47] <faileas> i've got a IBM r61 which i am trying to get bluetooth working for on kubuntu ibex. i can't seem to find the name of the adaptor and kbluetooth4 seems to 'run' but isn't visible. any ideas on what i can do?
[10:49] <definitely> low
[10:49] <definitely> resolved problem.
[10:49] <definitely> lol'' ;D
[10:50] <definitely>  <jonaskoelker>: This is problem when i set 100% sound in volume controler lol
[10:51] <jonaskoelker> ^_^
[10:51] <definitely> Now ubuntu loves me xD
[10:51] <alanbshepard77> definitely: glad it's working for you, sorry I was of no help.
[10:51] <void^> faileas: fwiw, i have a r61 with broadcom bluetooth and it works, not using kde though.
[10:52] <faileas> void^: well i don't even know whats the bluetooth adaptor ;p
 np ;]
[10:52] <jonaskoelker> sometimes it's the simplest of things :]
[10:52] <faileas> there's a pan0 listed.. but it seems to be disabled
[10:53] <faileas> void^: i don't mind installing another DE for this. its better than needing to reboot to windows just for that ><
[10:53] <alanbshepard77> anyone know of a way to make use of my mouse's extra buttons using intrepid? btnx that I used with hardy isn't working.
[10:53] <definitely> Gnome is mother of Linux. KDE it just stupid chilren lol
[10:54] <mnemoc> Gnome the mother of Linux? come on
[10:54] <definitely> i am kidding lol ;]
[10:54] <faileas> void^: no wait. i found it. the IRC help curse might have struck again *g*
[10:54] <definitely> Terminal is mother ;D
[10:54] <faileas> definitely: the terminal is father, the terminal is mother... wait thats the corps ;p
[10:55] <definitely> :D
[10:55] <alanbshepard77> Linus is father terminal is mother
[10:55] <alanbshepard77> i'm the unwanted offspring
[10:55] <definitely> hehe :)
 why you think that you are unwanted lol ?
[10:56] <definitely> ;D
[10:56] <alanbshepard77> my computer is the broken cond.....  :-0
[10:56] <definitely> My also was. Now its good cond.. :D lol
[10:56] <mnemoc> Linux is a bastard child of tanenbaum and linus
[10:57] <alanbshepard77> bastards are hot
[10:57] <definitely> Linux is computers. Computers is Linux. If you use windows,  to use them not computer. ;D
[10:57] <alanbshepard77> and highly customizable.
[10:57] <definitely> you use''
[10:58] <definitely> Even word Vista in my country sounds stupid - chicken. :DD
[10:58]  * faileas loves and hates bluetooth ;p
[10:59] <alanbshepard77> faileas: I feel the same way but my hatred for bluetooth was caused by sparkfun.com
[10:59] <faileas> lol
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> definitely: where are you from?
[11:00] <definitely> Lithuanian ;D
[11:00] <faileas> alanbshepard77: well i hate it cause it dosen't awlays work and its quirky as **** when it does. i like it cause it makes my phone useful ;p
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> ah
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> cool
[11:00] <definitely> faileas: :DD
[11:00] <mnemoc> definitely: labas! :p
[11:00] <definitely> menmoc: ;DD
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> now I know twice as many lithuanians as before
[11:00] <alanbshepard77> lol
[11:00]  * mnemoc too
[11:01] <definitely> mnemoc: not lithuanian ?
[11:01] <alanbshepard77>  lithuanians rock
[11:01] <definitely> Totaly no :D
[11:02] <faileas> i hate it right now. since it dosen't work ;p
[11:02] <OxDeadC0de> Anyone know how to prevent nm-applet and guidance-power-manager from starting in kde sessions?
[11:02] <mnemoc> definitely: nope, but a friend is
[11:02] <definitely> menmoc: Hehe :) Lithuanians are everyone. A bit like Chuck Norris xDD
[11:02] <definitely> are everywhere'' ;D
[11:03] <mnemoc> definitely: like diseases? *G*
[11:04] <alanbshepard77>  lithuanians have to be cool, they use Linux, apparently.
[11:04] <definitely> Where are you from :) ?
[11:05] <alanbshepard77> The United States Of Retardation (America).
[11:05] <definitely> Bush owns ya face. :D
[11:05] <alanbshepard77> Yea but not for long
[11:06] <rski> there will be a pensionere running the country instead
[11:06] <definitely> ;DD
[11:06] <faileas> naw. bush is the reason crossover is free for a day ;p
[11:06] <mnemoc> http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[11:06] <jonaskoelker> lol, USoR
[11:07] <mnemoc> thanks bush!
[11:07] <alanbshepard77> I'll vote for whoever promises to make Linux (Ubuntu Linux to be specific) the national OS with fines and the death penalty for whoever doesn't adopt it.
[11:07] <definitely> ;D
[11:07] <mnemoc> alanbshepard77: biden is pro-ms and pro-drm :(
[11:07] <jonaskoelker> :\
[11:07] <definitely> Funny here ;D
[11:08] <alanbshepard77> mnemoc: :-o Aw and I thought he was of sound mind.
[11:08] <definitely> Fuckin intel doesnt let me to tune up Q6600 even to 2.5 Ghz, resets it automatically ;D
[11:09] <alanbshepard77> Anyone who will be voting needs to write in Tux for their presidential nominee.
[11:10] <definitely> In btw, how many days here is till Ubuntu Intrepid full ?
[11:10] <alanbshepard77> I think it will be out the 30th
[11:11] <mnemoc> alanbshepard77: http://www.linux.com/feature/148436
[11:11] <definitely> I ordered cd, hope they will send AMD64 xD
[11:11] <mnemoc> "Linux.com's guide to the 2008 US presidential candidates"
[11:11] <rski> !release
[11:12] <Almindor> flash is freezing again :(
[11:12] <rski> ofcourse it does, we can't fix it =(
[11:12] <definitely> Hmm is there problem for everyone or just me. I am not able to see avatars in skype ?
[11:12] <mnemoc> flash10 sucks!
[11:13] <Almindor> rski, em.. it didn't on 8.04
[11:13] <Almindor> rski, I had flash 10 there too and it worked flawlessly
[11:13] <Almindor> pulseaudio disabled on both too
[11:13]  * Almindor thinks it's the crappy AMD driver
[11:13] <Almindor> I can't revert to 8.8 tho, the module doesn't compile with .27 :(
[11:14] <mnemoc> http://osnews.com/story/20443/Ubuntu_7_04_to_8_10_Benchmarks_Is_Ubuntu_Getting_Slower_
[11:14] <Almindor> yes it is getting slower, old news tho
[11:14] <rski> link to phoronix.com instead mnemoc
[11:14] <rski> no need for sub-site spam =)
[11:14] <mnemoc> rski: :)
[11:14] <mnemoc> no more links, ok
[11:15] <definitely> It isnt slower at all i think.
[11:15] <Seeker`> I get kernel panics when I try to run 8.10 RC (kernel panics shortly after X starts, cant get far enough to actually find out what is wrong) - is this a known issue?
[11:15] <definitely> :/
[11:15] <mnemoc> rski: I tend to point to subsites as they provide summaries :p
[11:16] <Almindor> I'm kind of disapointed in 8.10
[11:16] <Almindor> 1. network manager is crap
[11:16] <Almindor> 2. latest ati driver is semi-broken on 64bit and there's no way to use older ones
[11:16] <Almindor> 3. my boot splash is gone ?
[11:17] <definitely> everything is ok for me. Intel and Geforce rules. ;D
[11:17] <Almindor> and it seems to me that the whole disk freeze is getting worse, but it might be just my imagination
[11:19] <slestakWM> nm is giving me probs with pptp + 0.7
[11:19] <slestakWM> theres a bug open on it, just saying me too
[11:19] <alanbshepard77> during my install using the 8.10 alt CD I said yes to the option of encrypting my Home dir using a passphrase. Why am I never asked for the passphrase I provided? My home dir is wide open.
[11:23] <definitely> for me everything is ok umm
[11:23] <Almindor> definitely, try something disk-crunching like transmission with incomplete torrent :)
[11:24] <Almindor> definitely, abysmal IO perf. which ruins non-related programs (even already loaded ones)
[11:24] <definitely> Transmission sux at all. :)
[11:24] <Almindor> one program has no right to ruin the fun for all the others, something's wrong
[11:24] <xxploit> i always replace it with deluge
[11:24] <Almindor> either CFS, IO-S, both or some driver but I noticed this since 8.04 or so
[11:24] <definitely> Me too Deluge rules. :)
[11:24] <Almindor> any higher disk activity freezes everything else pretty much
[11:25] <punzada> deluge's project has gotten so good lately
[11:25] <punzada> the daemon service and such now
[11:25] <punzada> is great :)
[11:25] <definitely> Yeah, but it's still only older version in repos.
[11:25] <definitely> 0.5x as i remember...
[11:25] <punzada> well yeah but, repos are rarely newest packages
[11:30] <jonaskoelker> I'm out.  You kids play nice together now, y'hear? :)
[11:31] <slestakWM> yeah, right
[11:34] <arsham1> hi
[11:35] <arsham1> I upgraded to intrepid (kubuntu) and now I cannot login into KDE4 , it says the ksmserver has crashed
[11:36] <joaopinto> arsham1, upgrade or clean install ?
[11:36] <arsham1> upgrade from alternate CD
[11:37] <arsham1> and now I am in shell, I don't have any desktop environment , and my connection is so slow to download more stuff
[11:38] <dr_willis> arsham1,  your best option is to update, and upgrade, and hope whatever bug causing that got fixed... most likely..
[11:38] <dr_willis> or try starting X with startx and see if kde starts up that way..
[11:38] <arsham1> ok , let me try , thanks and brb
[11:39] <arsham1> oh , with startx I don't have anything there , just a cursor
[11:39] <dr_willis> you mean a mouse pointer?
[11:40] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key
[11:40] <arsham1> yes
[11:40] <arsham1> sorry
[11:40] <dr_willis> as a test.. try making a file called .xinitrc
[11:40] <dr_willis> and in it have 2 lines...
[11:40] <dr_willis> xterm &
[11:40] <arsham1> in home or etc?
[11:40] <dr_willis> startkde
[11:40] <arsham1> ok
[11:40] <dr_willis> Its a . file.. :) so its in the users home
[11:41] <dr_willis> Then try startx again
[11:41]  * dr_willis is pulling out his old troubleshooting techniques...
[11:41] <OxDeadC0de> echo "xterm &\nstartkde" > ~/.xinitrc    ? :P
[11:42] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  i always goof those kind of commands.. :)
[11:42] <dr_willis> and people just look at them as if they were voodoo...
[11:42] <OxDeadC0de> it is though, bash voodoo :P
[11:42] <dr_willis> just be sure you dont get > and >> confused.. :) and all path/filenames right
[11:42] <arsham1> now I have a shell there , too, nothing more
[11:43] <arsham1> what is gpmctl?
[11:43] <dr_willis> does the xterm have window decoration?
[11:43] <arsham1> yes
[11:43] <OxDeadC0de> type startkde into the shell, what's it say ?
[11:43] <dr_willis> So it seems that kde is partially working.. :)
[11:43] <arsham1> no!
[11:43] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  stole my next suggetion! :P
[11:43] <arsham1> it doesn't have
[11:43] <arsham1> ok
[11:44] <arsham1> brb
[11:44] <dr_willis> No window decoration.. Hmm.. you DID use 'xterm &'   not just 'xterm' ?
[11:44] <Seeker`> I think network manager is causing kernel panics - If i boot into safe mode and remove it, the system will boot fine, if i then reinstall and start networkmanager, the kernel panics again
[11:44] <OxDeadC0de> could it be your network card causing the panics?
[11:44] <arsham1> it says #DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X
[11:45] <arsham1> I did xterm & in the rc file
[11:45] <groogy> Yo! I just updated to intrepid and I'm using Cairo-dock, the desklets I had just vanished and the lists with applets are empty. Help?
[11:45] <mnemoc> echo $DISPLAY   =)
[11:45] <Seeker`> the error messags I see in the log are related to acx
[11:45] <Chousuke> OxDeadC0de: are you sure echo correctly treats \n as a newline?
[11:45] <Chousuke> OxDeadC0de: mine doesn't :p
[11:45] <alanbshepard77> is a kernel panic what happens before corn turns into popcorn? ah what's happening.....POP!
[11:45] <arsham1> $DISPLAY is void
[11:46] <Chousuke> export DISPLAY=:0 then :=
[11:46] <arsham1> pl
[11:46] <arsham1> ok
[11:46] <dr_willis> Hmm.. thats weird.. how did xterm not get display set.. when it ran..
[11:46] <Chousuke> if X is running it's usually :0
[11:46] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key - any ideas?
[11:49] <arsham1> failed to load module type1, does not exists
[11:50] <dr_willis> arsham1,  interesting...
[11:50] <arsham1> hmmm
[11:50] <arsham1> let me start over
[11:50] <dr_willis> that was the error for the 'startkde' command? after exporting the DISPLAY?
[11:51] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key - any ideas?
[11:51] <arsham1> ok
[11:51] <arsham1> now , I got the kde session
[11:51] <arsham1> but right before the desktop shows up , its gone
[11:52] <arsham1> like the was before
[11:52] <vega> roy_: no need to repeat your question every 10 lines
[11:52] <roy_> sorry - wasnt sure if anyone read it
[11:52] <OxDeadC0de> Chousuke you were right, needs -e to recognize \n
[11:53] <arsham1> again it says ksmserver segfault at 0
[11:53] <roy_> does anyone know of a more appropriate place to ask about this
[11:54] <dr_willis> arsham1,  so it is kde crashing... we sort of have shown that...
[11:54] <arsham1> :(
[11:54] <arsham1> it seems to be something in libQTcore
[11:55] <arsham1> I am trying to reinstall libqt to see what happens
[11:55] <OxDeadC0de> have you - or can you, do sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[11:55] <OxDeadC0de> how slow is your connection?
[11:56] <arsham1> 256 Kb
[11:56] <arsham1> but it gives me at most , 27 KB
[11:56] <arsham1> 27KBs
[11:56] <OxDeadC0de> well, try what I said, if you have to let it run overnight, if you arn't limited by bandwidth that is
[11:56] <misiaczkowski> I find problem on kubuntu 8.10.... I can't move mp3 from Dolphin to amarok ( on amarok I see only link to the mp3)
[11:57] <dr_willis> servers were VERY slow just now when i uodated
[11:57] <Almindor> anyone knows if official AMD 8.10 drivers work on ibex and it they differ from what canonical cooked?
[11:57] <dr_willis> so 'expect delays' ahead. :)
[11:57] <dr_willis> Official AMD drivers... for what? AMD makes a lot of things...
[11:57] <Almindor> gfx
[11:57] <OxDeadC0de> I just upgraded 5 packages and it all worked fast for me
[11:58] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  it did forme to just now.. a few min ago they all timed out
[11:58] <dr_willis> 'expect delays' :)
[11:58] <Almindor> the packaged driver is very broken, I know for a fact that official catalyst 8.10 also has most of the issues, but I think the fullscreen problem isn't there
[12:00] <Seeker`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/279287
[12:00] <Seeker`> thats what I have
[12:00] <Almindor> yeah the whole nm thing is borked
[12:00] <xxploit> i just replaced nm with wicd
[12:06] <chad> Has anyone been able to successfully connect to a pptp vpn using network-manager in 8.10 ?
[12:07] <Kimf> Yes, but that was before they "fixed" something. haven't tried in a couple days now
[12:07] <chad> Kimf: mine just says failed although the connection works fine in windows
[12:09] <Kimf> Yup, that is what happened to me aswell. But it did work at one point. Actually had it working when I first tried it in alpha 3 I think.
[12:09] <chad> Kimf: dead now though .. right ?
[12:10] <Kimf> haven't checked the last couple of days, but I think so.
[12:11] <chad> Anyone know how to manually make a vpn connection in 8.10 using the terminal ?
[12:20] <Keithamus> My girlfriends laptop has trouble connecting on kubuntu intrepid. Weve both got the same laptop, both on kubuntu intrepid. Mine connects fine, hers gets up to "IP Configuration" then dies. Anyone got any ideas?
[12:21] <dr_willis> swap laptops when shes not looking.. :)
[12:21] <dr_willis> Oh wait.. hers dosent work..
[12:24] <Keithamus> yeah no fun
[12:26] <Keithamus> are there any files i can compare to get this sorted?
[12:27] <rhkfin> Keithamus: all files in /etc
[12:27] <Keithamus> thats quite a few!
[12:28] <Keithamus> our /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces are identical
[12:28] <myk_robinson> morning, all
[12:29] <mnemoc> Keithamus: diff -Nudr
[12:29] <mnemoc> (of course you have to copy her etc locally first)
[12:30] <Keithamus> is there a saner and less laborious method?
[12:30] <Keithamus> seeing as our systems are going to have slight changes because of our own preferences
[12:31] <Keithamus> so im just gonna have to wade through tonnes of crap to find out what is what
[12:32] <vega> Keithamus: if you have static ip's then "identical" is not so good.. but i'm guessing not?
[12:33] <Keithamus> we do have static ips
[12:33] <Keithamus> well, reserved ips on the router.
[12:34] <vega> what does that mean, are they bound to the mac address or something?
[12:34] <Keithamus> yeah
[12:34] <vega> in that case, shouldn't you have differing interfaces file?
[12:34] <Keithamus> uhm no, it doesnt define a static ip
[12:35] <Keithamus> it still asks for a dynamic ip, but the router always gives it the same one
[12:35] <predator363> hey does intrepid use gnome
[12:35] <vega> ok
[12:35] <predator363> ?
[12:35] <Keithamus> predator363: of course
[12:35] <vega> predator363: yes?
[12:35] <predator363> was just wondering cos i cant get themes to work right
[12:35] <predator363> and i cant find anythemes in .gtp files
[12:35] <Kimf> I'm having a rather non standard problem, that might be a more general problem. I'm running vista on a (nvidia fake)raid 0 and installed ubuntu 8.10 on a 3rd drive (nonraid). I'm booting this from the vista bootmanager with grub4dos and the menu.lst file from the ubuntu install. But I only get a busybox in the initramfs and a message that /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... does not exist(where it should be installed)
[12:35] <predator363> cos thats what the theme manager wants
[12:36] <predator363> so where would get themes in .gtp files?
[12:36] <vega> Keithamus: try to restart networking from command line and see if that gives any errors
[12:36] <Pici> predator363: Just drag a tar.gz theme onto the theme window.
[12:37] <Keithamus> vega: how do I do that?
[12:37] <vega> Keithamus: /etc/init.d/networking restart or "ifdown ethX && ifup ethX"
[12:37] <vega> and use "ifconfig" to see if you get an ip address
[12:38] <predator363> i did that and it dosent show up
[12:38] <predator363> theme manager closes and when i reopen it the themes not there
[12:38] <Keithamus> vega: i did that before with no luck. ifconfig doesnt give me an ip
[12:38] <predator363> i tryed copying it to the theme folder but no cake
[12:38] <Keithamus> trying again now, still no luck by the looks of it
[12:39] <Keithamus> knetwork manager fills the little bar up to 100%, but the cog still spins for like a minute before it gives up
[12:39] <vega> Keithamus: you can see the dhcp request messages but no answer from server?
[12:39] <Pici> predator363: Are you decompressing the .tar.gz file?
[12:39] <Keithamus> how would I see them vega?
[12:39] <predator363> no
[12:39] <vega> Keithamus: at least when using the "ifdown ethX && ifup ethX" command
[12:39] <Keithamus> I can see in my router logs it gets the computer (tells me the hostname and mac, and then tells me it has assigned it an IP address)
[12:40] <Keithamus> vega: did I mention its wireless?
[12:40] <Pici> predator363: Is it every theme that you are having trouble with, or just one specific?
[12:40] <vega> no
[12:40] <Keithamus> my bad, thought I did
[12:40] <vega> WEP/WPA ?
[12:41] <Keithamus> wpa2 ccmp
[12:41] <vega> actually never used wpa myself.. but guess you checked relevant settings
[12:41] <Keithamus> weve got exactly the same setup in the network manager, and mine connects like a breeze
[12:41] <predator363> every theme iv tryed metacity themes compiz themes gnome themes emerald themes (i cant even get emeralds manager to open cos it freezes) nothing seems to work
[12:42] <predator363> when i look in synaptic and search for gnome it dosent say its installed should i try installing it? and what am i using if im not it gnome?
[12:43] <Keithamus> vega: my router has a "guest mode" where it sets up a second access point, i did that and made it unsecure, but her lappy still cant connect to that, so Im thinking its not a wpa issue
[12:43] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[12:43] <Pici> pawan: The same day that I told you in #ubuntu, October 30th
[12:43] <dr_willis> Do we need to set a ON JOIN spam message to people? :)
[12:43] <matjan_work> hi, has anyone here had the problem with the iwlagn driver (kernel panics)?
[12:44] <dr_willis> lets start telling everyone it will be out on October 33rd!
[12:44] <Keithamus> matjan_work: yes; sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
[12:44] <pawan> whats special in new version
[12:44] <vega> Keithamus: dunno really, running out of ideas, any differing firewall config on the laptops?
[12:44] <dr_willis> everything has been updated...
[12:44] <Keithamus> vega: havent touched it
[12:44] <matjan_work> Keithamus, ok... and that solved the problem? (just to be sure...)
[12:45] <Keithamus> matjan_work: did for me, needs a restart though
[12:45] <Pici> pawan: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[12:45] <Keithamus> vega: can i check by just running ufw?
[12:45] <matjan_work> Keithamus, right, makes sense
[12:45] <vega> Keithamus: also, compare /etc/dhcp3/ and /etc/NetworkManager/
[12:45] <rhkfin> some on join message would be handy..
[12:45] <predator363> i'll be back in a little bit. gotta go but still need help with themes (found a good howto maybe i wont be back if it helps) thanks anyone for any replaies i got
[12:46] <vega> Keithamus: don't know, i use shorewall
[12:46] <pawan> good
[12:47] <vega> Keithamus: "sudo ufw status" might tell something
[12:48] <Keithamus> vega: both say not loaded, comparing the files you said, both seem identical
[12:49] <Keithamus> vega: the router cant be iffy can it? Mine connected fine, my wii connecting in about 2 seconds, two other wired machines connect fine, its literally just her lappy
[12:51] <vega> Keithamus: has the laptop wireless ever worked under linux? or was it so that they were identical
[12:51] <Keithamus> worked up until yesterday, and hasnt worked since
[12:52] <pawan> what
[12:52] <vega> both run intrepid, same upgrade status?
[12:52] <pawan> any good webcam software
[12:52] <rhkfin> Keithamus: try with a live cd?
[12:53]  * Elektrikz rr -.-
[12:53] <dr_willis> pawan,   i like cheese :)
[12:53] <pawan> what
[12:53] <pawan> cheese
[12:53] <pawan> i like bread
[12:54] <Pici> !info cheese | pawan
[12:54] <nemo> hm. version of rexml in ubuntu 8.10 has a pretty annoying crasher
[12:54] <nemo> causes Gnome Art Manager to blow up
[12:55] <pawan> how to install
[12:55] <vega> pawan: sudo apt-get install cheese
[12:55] <Pici> pawan: The same way that you install anything in Ubuntu.
[12:55] <pawan> ok
[12:56] <vega> or through the graphical frontends..
[12:56] <Keithamus> k thanks guys
[12:56] <pawan> oh thanks
[12:56] <Keithamus> ill try a livecd and get back to you.
[12:57] <Kimf> crap... think I just got it working with my strange setup. Just did an exit on the initramfs and it booted. Hmmm Now to see if everything is ok
[12:57] <Kimf> Starnge
[12:57] <vega> i'd check the upgrade status of nm and kernel packages, nm has got a lot of updates recently (and still it's crap :))
[12:57] <Kimf> Strange at least. hehe
[12:59] <Kimf> But my raid is not showing. :(
[12:59] <pawan> what
[13:01] <erry> Hello i updated frm 8.04 to 8.10 and it wont wake up from sleep(takes me in black screen w/ mouse cursor but mouse dont move)
[13:01] <erry> anyway to fix rthat
[13:01] <pawan> anyone from india here
[13:02] <erry> no can u help me\ tho?
[13:03] <aLeSD_> hi all
[13:03] <erry> hello
[13:03] <xxploit> anyone know if theres a firefox plugin to integrate gwget into firefox(alot of older posts refer to using fireget but it doesnt support firefox 3)
[13:03] <aLeSD_> do you confirm me that dhcplient works for yours maquines ?
[13:05] <mnemoc> aLeSD_: works fine here
[13:05] <aLeSD_> something wrong with my roter
[13:06] <aLeSD_> shit ... it locks sky2 and sly2 modules
[13:06] <aLeSD_> and I haven't other hw to test it
[13:06] <aLeSD_> who can help me to investigate the problem ?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> what's the word on 3D and DRI on 8.10 / kde4.1.2 using ATI 200X graphics ...was fine on 8.04. The xorg.conf file is totally changed and almost uneditable. Why the dumbing down of user options ?
[13:07] <aLeSD_> maybe it could be usefull for the ibex
[13:08] <aLeSD_> alo'
[13:09] <aLeSD_> is there one of the ubuntu staff ?
[13:09] <grimsqueaker13> anyone know if i can do a dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 using the normal cd? all the docs say you have to download the alternate cd which seems odd. i tried turning off all sources except the cd and doing apt-get dist-upgrade but it didnt offer me a full upgrade
[13:09] <BluesKaj> which router aLeSD_ ?
[13:10] <aLeSD_> it's a fastweb router ... adsl - ethernet ... wait ... I try to find out the model
[13:10] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[13:10] <erry> Hello
[13:12] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: pirelli age-ra
[13:12] <grimsqueaker13> BluesKaj: it works from the internet, just wanted to know if i can tell it to go from the cd
[13:12] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:  I upgraded to 8.10 on the web using the instructions here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu
[13:12] <erry> Hello i updated frm 8.04 to 8.10 and it wont wake up from sleep(takes me in black screen w/ mouse cursor but mouse dont move)
[13:13] <grimsqueaker13> i already have te cd, i would like to not have to download the whole image again if possible
[13:13] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:  why ?
[13:13] <grimsqueaker13> saves time, the connection here is shitty :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> you can do it without using the cd , is my point
[13:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:14] <BluesKaj> dunno the cd , I didn't try it
[13:14] <erry> Hello??
[13:14] <grimsqueaker13> ok kl
[13:14] <erry> Can you please help me/
[13:14] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: it's the default router of fastweb provider .. in Italy
[13:15] <BluesKaj> erry, ctrl+alt+backspace
[13:15] <erry> Will that even work?
[13:15] <erry> it kills my mouse
[13:15] <erry> im petty sure it will also kill my keyboard
[13:15] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: I have only a telnet port opened by my side
[13:15] <BluesKaj> brings you back to the login page, erry
[13:15] <erry> w/e im gonna try it
[13:15] <erry> hope its fixed till the 30th..
[13:16] <BluesKaj> no ethernet ?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> eth0 ?
[13:16] <erry> did u even undersdtand my problem?
[13:17] <OxDeadC0de> erry suspend is having trouble resuming?
[13:17] <erry> Yes
[13:17] <erry> last time i tried it brought me to a black screen with mouse cursor but mouse ddint move
[13:17] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: I post you the out put of the dhpclient
[13:17] <erry> i think it killed my hardware
[13:17] <erry> :(
[13:18] <BluesKaj> it's a hardware prob that 8.10 hasn't fixed yet due to the fact that they are using the HAL instead of a proper xorg.conf on the mouse and keyboard ...I have the same prob with my graphics card
[13:18] <erry> so is it fixable?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> I hope so
[13:18] <erry> >:(
[13:19] <erry> Ill prolly have to downgrade
[13:19] <erry> right?
[13:19] <OxDeadC0de> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404
[13:19] <erry> 8sigh*
[13:20] <erry> i spent 2 hours upgrading and now this
[13:20] <BluesKaj> erry, everything seems generic in the xorg.conf file. I'm trying to find out if it's possible to even edit xorg.conf to get 3D and DRI working on my setup.
[13:20] <erry> I wish 3D worked.
[13:20] <OxDeadC0de> what graphics cards are you using?
[13:20] <nemo> Hey folks, if anyone here uses the gnome art manager, I fixed a couple of issues I had with it
[13:20] <nemo> attached the diffs to this bug:
[13:20] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-art/+bug/108834
[13:21] <erry> Ati radeon and it has never worked propelry in linux
[13:21] <nemo> bug could probably use confirming, too
[13:21] <erry> never. :(
[13:21] <BluesKaj> google earth is one of my fav apps and it  just crashes
[13:21] <erry> mine makes the screen blink
[13:21] <erry> i wanna play a game
[13:21] <OxDeadC0de> bleh, I hated radeons, stupid things never worked right in linux, that's y I use nvidia or intel now
[13:21] <erry> i killed my windows lol
[13:21] <erry> it was an accident.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> I have ATI X200G onboard and worked just fine in 8.04/kde3
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: Radeon never worked for me in windows either
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: they never responded to bug reports, even ones with test code.
[13:22] <erry> it works for me in windoes but
[13:22] <erry> i killed windows
[13:22] <erry> =D
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: We ended up ditching ATI for all our machines
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: was just impossible to develop for
[13:22] <nemo> their OpenGL implementations were particularly sucky
[13:22] <erry> i have nvidia in my desktop
[13:22] <erry> but its an old desktop
[13:22] <nemo> although they do do ok at Direct3d
[13:23] <erry> from win2k time
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> new ones are probably okay, but the last radeon I had was igp 320m and it just sucked
[13:23] <erry> would it work if i had wine there?
[13:23] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: why does your name have an Ox instead of a 0x?  I find that very confusing.
[13:23] <nemo> I keep wondering why tab complete isn't working
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> is it oh or zero? :P
[13:23] <BluesKaj> well, i tried kbuntu live cd 8.04 on wifes new vista pc with nvidia graphics ...it sucks, couldn't proper res on the monitor
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> if it's oh it's because the irc server won't let me use zero
[13:24] <nemo> use a different nick then? :)
[13:24]  * nemo runs OxDeadC0de through the nickometre
[13:24] <OxDeadC0de> but I like this one, was the funniest thing I ever saw in a debugger, don't know why
[13:25] <OxDeadC0de> the code wasn't working, and the debugger said it was 0xdeadc0de in those addresses... I just thought that was funny
[13:26] <aLeSD____> BluesKaj: hellpo
[13:26] <aLeSD____> it's the gnome network manager
[13:26] <aLeSD____> if I run dhcp clients with the network manager disabled it works
[13:26] <aLeSD____> but if I active it
[13:26] <aLeSD____> the connection is broken ..
[13:27] <aLeSD____> and if I run the dhcp client by the console I have:
[13:27] <aLeSD____> (sorry for the paste)
[13:27] <aLeSD____> dhclient eth0
[13:27] <aLeSD____> There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 8229
[13:27] <aLeSD____> killed old client process, removed PID file
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
[13:27] <aLeSD____> All rights reserved.
[13:27] <aLeSD____> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[13:27] <aLeSD____> SIOCSIFADDR: No buffer space available
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:13:77:5d:3a:b5
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:13:77:5d:3a:b5
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[13:27] <aLeSD____> DHCPREQUEST of 29.244.145.147 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[13:27] <aLeSD____> send_packet: Message too long
[13:27] <aLeSD____> DHCPREQUEST of 29.244.145.147 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[13:27] <aLeSD____> send_packet: Message too long
[13:27] <aLeSD____> ^C
[13:27] <aLeSD____> so ... I have to
[13:28] <jussi01> !paste
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> pastebin or bugreport or forums anyone?
[13:28] <mnemoc> aLeSD____: you could have used pastebin
[13:28] <aLeSD____> disable the network manager
[13:28] <aLeSD____> mnemoc .. I will
[13:28] <aLeSD____> modprobe -r sky2
[13:28] <aLeSD____> modprobe sky2
[13:28] <aLeSD____> and then the dhcp client works ... but with the network manager disabled
[13:29] <aLeSD____> that's all
[13:31] <aLeSD____> I mean ... could I run the gnome network manager in a terminal with debug option on ?
[13:31] <mnemoc> the network manager is a daemon
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: ... send pack - message too long
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: could you have an MTU issue?
[13:32] <aLeSD____> mnemoc: well ... usually u can run a demon undemonized
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: like, you're using jumbo frames on one of the two ends?
[13:33] <aLeSD____> nemo ... don't know ... but the problem sussists only when the network daemon do the yob
[13:33] <aLeSD____> after I can't run an ifconfig .. look
[13:33] <aLeSD____> mmm
[13:33] <aLeSD____> well ... I haven't the log now
[13:33] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks. Question 1: Which part of the ubuntuforums.com can Ubuntu 8.10 testers post questions to?
[13:33] <aLeSD____> :) ... and I won't lose connection
[13:34] <krokodilerian> ok, I was stupid last night to upgrade to interpid and seems like that they killed xserver-xgl from it. My problem is that now when firefox loads a big page everything just stops for a while, as the X server is eating all the CPU possible and everything else is waiting (that wasn't happening with xgl). I'm using nvidia, compiz, x86_64 machine, any ideas ot should I open a bug in launchpad?
[13:34] <aLeSD____> mnemoc: what's the name of the daemon ?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> redwhitewaldo: here
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> Question 2: where can we submit a possible bug report
[13:34] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , bugs.launchpad.net
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> BluesKaj: no, i meant on ubuntuforums.com
[13:34] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, launchpad.net
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> krokodilerian: joaopinto thank you 2.
[13:35] <victim[v]> I've just reinstalled 8.10 RC and I still cannot change my screen resolution from 640 * 480, I have an Nvidia FX5200 and the 173 drivers active
[13:35] <aLeSD____> ok NetworkManager
[13:35] <victim[v]> what can I do?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> lotsa graphics troubles with 8.10RC ...there's vitually no options in the xorg.conf
[13:36] <krokodilerian> victim[v] , have you tried using the nvidia-settings shit
[13:36] <redwhitewaldo> to submit ubuntu 8.10 bugs, should the "distribution" field in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug be "ubuntu"? I don't see any specific version of ubuntu. thanks.
[13:36] <mnemoc> !nvidia
[13:36] <BluesKaj> too late for me too victim[v], I'm using ATI
[13:37] <krokodilerian> victim[v] , otherwise, from what I remember, once i had to remove all the "modes" from the xorg.conf and it detected the resolution and worked
[13:37]  * mnemoc is using ATI (Radeon Mobility X1400) with the open source radeon driver and works like a charm
[13:37] <krokodilerian> otherwise if there were modes, it tended to bad thigs...
[13:38] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: same here, regenerating a default xorg.conf gave me the resolution I wanted
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> ok
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> hello
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> I have the log of NetworkManager
[13:39] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , btw, are you using compiz/ibex?
[13:39] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: yes
[13:39] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks. i can't submit a bug report for "skype" under ubunu ditrubution. it says "There is no package name 'skype' published in Ubuntu"
[13:39] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: but only for transparencies
[13:39] <mnemoc> redwhitewaldo: skype is not free software
[13:39] <Owe1> what is the encryption strength of the private folder in ll
[13:39] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , so ok, when you load something big in firefox, does everythin stop for a while and the X server go to 100% CPU, or that has never happened with you?
[13:39] <redwhitewaldo> mnemoc: yes, but i would like to submit a bug to ubuntu team
[13:39] <BluesKaj> mnemoc: well, that site doesn't apply to 8.10RC , if you wanna take alook
[13:40] <aLeSD_____> nemo: http://pastebin.com/m1a3d77bc
[13:40] <aLeSD_____> what do u think ?
[13:40] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: I have similar issues, but I blame flash
[13:40] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, you can't file a bug report for a software which can't be included on the repositories
[13:40] <nemo> aLeSD_____: no clue
[13:40] <nemo> sorry
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> nemo do u know whois working on NetworkManager ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , if you feel like it, can you run 'vmstat 1' in a window, and try to open http://swamp.ludost.net ? it's plain html, but a lot of it
[13:41] <mnemoc> BluesKaj: I doubt there are nvidia proprietary drivers for xorg 7.4 yet
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> or where I can find who is working on it
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> when I do that, even the fucking clock freezes
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: anything in dmesg ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> i want to know if it's an nvidia issue or compiz's fault...
[13:41] <redwhitewaldo> so what can i do if i think i've found a bug with skype's relationship with ubuntu?
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: nope.  file a bug I guess
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: and I suppose search for other people with similar errors.
[13:42] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , probably talk to skype
[13:42] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: I see nothing special when openning it
[13:43] <aLeSD_____> nemo: the debug in dmesg it's the same more or less
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> krokodilerian: ok. i've sent them a ticket
[13:43] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , did the 'us' column change ? to something bigger, e.g. some 20-30% more
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> maybe i should downgrade back to 8.04
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> i think 8.10 is heavier, anyway.
[13:44] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , but well, if you terminal didn't stop updating for a few seconds, then the issue might really be with the nvidia crap
[13:45] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: no stop, but I have two cores
[13:46] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , me too,the problem is that the X server gets the maximum on one core to process something and stops responding
[13:46] <redwhitewaldo> if i install a package that is "static", does that mean that the program is more likely to work? what does "static" mean? Is it preferred to get static packages?
[13:47] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , it means that it doesn't use external libraries. it will be bigger, will probably look different (if it's something GUI related) and is not generally recommended
[13:47] <mnemoc> redwhitewaldo: static means it's not dynamic
[13:47] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, it means it was statically linked, it does not depend on the OS libraries, the libraries code was included on the  binary
[13:47] <krokodilerian> but if nothing else works, this is an option...
[13:47] <joaopinto> skype is working fine on me, with the regular (dynamic) .deb package
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> joaopinto: then why did skype stop working for me when i moved from 8.04 to 8.10. Boohoo.
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> this is sad.
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> i need skype for making regular calls
[13:49] <joaopinto> well, try the static version
[13:49] <redwhitewaldo> where's the static skype for ibex?
[13:50] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , the static version should be the same for all linux distributions
[13:50] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, static builds are not distro specific, they are generic, you only have one static version to download
[13:50] <nemo> joaopinto: wellll
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: they have a copy on their site
[13:50] <nemo> even the static build has *some* external dependancies.
[13:50] <nemo> I think
[13:51] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: on whose site? skype?
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> but there is an apt on the medibuntu reps
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> that offers a 64 bit version
[13:51] <redwhitewaldo> i need 32 bit version, because i'm running 32 bit ubuntu 8.10
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> why don't you use medibuntu reps?
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.medibuntu.org/
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype.html
[13:52] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, why should he violate copyright for something he can get from the site :P ?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype-static.html
[13:52] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: ty!
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> because this one keeps uptodate
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> why is it a violation ???
[13:52] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, because the skype license does not allow distribution by 3rd parties :) ?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: o gouky andava a tras de ti no #ubuntu-pt
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> then I don't know
[13:53] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: i have installed that deb already. i'm looking for STATIC skype
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> but its there and its working fine
[13:53] <joaopinto> the .deb from the site is working fine also here, just not for redwhitewaldo :P
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype-static.html
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> STATIC version !!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[13:54] <_Enchained> hi all
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: thank you!!! 8-)
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> should i just dbl click the i386? shouldn't i get the deb via apt or terminal?
[13:54] <_Enchained> I'd like to install vlc < 0.9.x
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> or is it the same?
[13:55] <_Enchained> How can I do this ?
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> I keep having a hard time finding the 64bits version of skype on the official website
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> no redwhitewaldo
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> you better install the mediabuntu repos
[13:55] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: yes, i'm installing http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/s/skype/skype-static_2.0.0.72-0medibuntu4_i386.deb
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: which version are you using of Ubuntu?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> no redwhitewaldo
[13:56] <lubosz> my suspend icon is not avalable in the "Shut down the computer" menu from gnome panel. i have ubuntu studio icon theme. is this normal?
[13:56] <_Enchained> interpid BUGabundo_work
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: no what?
[13:56] <_Enchained> In interpid, there is vlc 0.9.4
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> huh? isn't http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/s/skype/skype-static_2.0.0.72-0medibuntu4_i386.deb MEDIBUNTU stuff?
[13:56] <_Enchained> and I want to "downgrade" it to 0.8.6
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: and why do you want an older version?
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> i'm confused?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> please see how to had the repos
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: and why do you want an older version?
[13:57] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: i've already added the medibuntu repo
[13:57] <redwhitewaldo> and the gpg key
[13:57] <_Enchained> Because I use a software for watching movies and listening music on my TV and it's not campatible with VLC 0.9.x
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install skype
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work:  i already installed skype and it's not working for me. that's why i'm wanting to try skype-static.
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: then you need to file a bug on LP and also talk to VLC developers
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install skype-static then !!!! lol
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: ok.
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> thanks. i'm a newbie
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> computers = aagh
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[13:58] <_Enchained> In fact, it's the other software I use developpers I should contact..
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: its going to be hard to use older version
[13:59] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, the problem seems to be with the software he is using, not with VLC
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> I see
[13:59] <_Enchained> There are a lot of changes inside VLC beetween 0.8.6 and 0.9.4
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> ok talk to them then
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> I guess you can get an older deb and "fix" for now
[14:00] <joaopinto> that is likely to break your system
[14:00] <joaopinto> because vlc provides libraries used by other multimedia apps
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> humm not for VLC
[14:00] <joaopinto> are you sure :P ?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> AFK
[14:00] <_Enchained> I try to compil older version but there are a lot of dependencies for configure...
[14:00]  * BUGabundo_work same MOTO always: backup backup backup backup backup backup backup 
[14:01] <myk_robinson> hey guys. New to Gnome, what application do you use to rip CDs?
[14:01] <nemo> myk_robinson: soundjuicer seems popular
[14:01]  * nemo doesn't do much ripping
[14:01] <redwhitewaldo> one day, one day., i hope ubuntu will be userfriendly and bugfree.
[14:01] <_Enchained> myk_robinson: audio CD to mp3 for example ?
[14:01] <redwhitewaldo> and easy for my grandma to use. 8-)
[14:01] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: I think for any OS to achieve that goal you have to strictly control all inputs, all outputs and offer a tiny set of functionality
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> nemo: i guess you're right.
[14:02] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: mobile phones or mini PCs are probably your best bet
[14:02] <myk_robinson> _Enchained: yes
[14:02] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: even OSX which controls the HW is not userfriendly and bug free
[14:02] <_Enchained> myk_robinson: sound-juicer
[14:02] <nemo> I should know :(
[14:02] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[14:02] <myk_robinson> thank you.
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> nemo:  i have an eeepc.... i put debianneeepc on it
[14:02] <antoranz> Look, I want compiz to use a random effect for minimization of windows
[14:02] <myk_robinson> looks like that is not installed by default
[14:02] <_Enchained> and install lame for mp3 support (by feault it extract to ogg format)
[14:02] <antoranz> but it doesn't work
[14:02] <myk_robinson> will apt-get
[14:02] <nemo> antoranz: WFM
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> and my mic on that is not working (for now).
[14:02] <_Enchained> by default*
[14:03] <antoranz> nemo, what's that?
[14:03] <redwhitewaldo> antoranz: Wednesday Friday Monday. 8-)
[14:03] <nemo> antoranz: Works For Me :-p
[14:03] <myk_robinson> my usual topic... anyone having luck with Intel 3945abg?
[14:04] <_Enchained> sound-juicer was installed OTB in prvious Ubuntu. Why they removed it ? :/
[14:04] <antoranz> well... that relieves me a whole lot. :-P
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: well, did you set it up correctly?
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: CCSM->Animations->Minimise Effect
[14:04] <redwhitewaldo> i've just installed skype-static from medibuntu repo. now when i type skype-static, terminal says "command not found."
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: then set it to random, and check off the ones you want in the pool
[14:05] <antoranz> sure... I set it up there
[14:05] <nemo> works just fine
[14:05] <nemo> antoranz: did you enable the pool anims? :-p
[14:05] <antoranz> fuck, I'm so stupid
[14:05] <myk_robinson> _Enchained: thanks again, this looks much nicer and easier to configure than Grip
[14:05] <antoranz> no animations are selected.
[14:05] <myk_robinson> hopefully it works faster than KAudioCreator
[14:06] <_Enchained> myk_robinson: You just have to install lame library to extract to mp3 format if you want it.
[14:06] <antoranz> still nothing. hell!
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> Hi, Guys. Good news skype-static now loads up in my ubuntu 8.10. Yahoo!!!
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> thanks folks
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> i usually use non-static files, but i  won't complain with a working static package!
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[14:07] <redwhitewaldo> now i don't need to downgrade back to 8.04
[14:08] <graingert> myk_robinson: my wireless card works fine
[14:08] <graingert> myk_robinson: same with my freinds
[14:09] <myk_robinson> graingert: been having issues with mine dropping the connection and making the touchpad lose sync for a few seconds
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: !
[14:09] <myk_robinson> i have installed the Intel drivers and get random results
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: my touchpad loses sync....
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: I just thought it was carp
[14:09] <myk_robinson> using my USB Belkin, i have no issues at all
[14:09] <myk_robinson> no, if you connect by another means and rmmod iwl3945, the touchpadsync issue stops.
[14:10] <myk_robinson> i ordered an Atheros 5007 mini pcie to install in my laptop, tired of fighting and using a 3 inch long USB stick
[14:10] <graingert> myk_robinson: strange it doesn't happen often...
[14:10] <graingert> myk_robinson: it happens all the time if I plug it into a certian power socket at college!
[14:11] <myk_robinson> graingert: you are probably dropping connection too, it usually reconnects, though, and it is a silent drop. NM never shows the connection is lost, just seems like the connection is really slow all of a sudden, then kicks back in. dmesg shows it dropped, tough
[14:11] <myk_robinson> like a firmware error of some sort, follwed by an error about mouse losing sync
[14:11] <evan_> hey is my video cardbroken?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/63625/ see Screen 1
[14:12] <graingert> myk_robinson: my network seems fine though....
[14:12] <graingert> myk_robinson: never drops or goes slow (unless I torrent hehe)
[14:13] <myk_robinson> hmm
[14:13] <myk_robinson> lucky you :)  Seems that there are a lot of random results with that chip. Lots of people report issues, but lots of people report none
[14:14] <myk_robinson> been working with a dev at Intel and another at Redhat to resolve some issues but each daily build of the driver seems to produce a new issue
[14:14] <myk_robinson> todays build would not even allow me to connect at all. Funny thing is, it was working fine in Hardy with the compat-wireless driver
[14:14] <victim[v]> thanks for your help with fixing the resolution problems with a Nvidia FX5200 and a fresh install of 8.10 RC. I did "sudo nvidia-xconfig" at the terminal and then restarted the PC, which gave me a resolution of 1280 by 1024, I found this out with Nvidia X Server settings. BUT, when I opened System Settings and clicked on the Display icon, the screen immediately changed to 640 by 480.
[14:15] <myk_robinson> my Atheros should be in today, though :)
[14:16] <victim[v]> I can select 1024 by 768 in the drop down, but when I restart it is 640 by 480 again
[14:19] <amortvigil> hey is my video card broken?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/63625/ see Screen 1...
[14:32] <redwhitewaldo> to those who have skype installed, can you post a screenshot of your main skype window, please? i want to see how my static-skype compares
[14:34] <danbh_intrepid> redwhitewaldo: well, Ive had both installed at different times.  They look the same IIRC
[14:34] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: ok.
[14:35] <WelshDragon> Isn't that because they are the same? :s
[14:36] <nemo> WelshDragon: welll, theoretically they'd be using different versions of Qt
[14:36] <nemo> WelshDragon: I could envision some interface differences
[14:36] <nemo> even if the function hooks stayed the same
[14:36] <WelshDragon> ah ok
[14:36] <nemo> s/interface/user interface/
[14:37] <bsnider> my every effort to print anything is failing miserably
[14:39] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: does your     skype look  this: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4861/screenshotmmmmskypeox2.png ?
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> redwhitewaldo: Im running the skype-static-oss
[14:40] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: from medibuntu?
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> yeah
[14:40] <redwhitewaldo> ok. me too
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> so, I think we are running hte same thing
[14:41] <danbh_intrepid> and yes, it looks just like that
[14:41] <supermaku> anyone have problems with ibex and nvidia graphics card?  I was running ubuntu 8.04 on my laptop with a nvidia geoforce 400 and it was using the nvidia proprietary drivers, but now that I've upgraded to ibex, it's not looking for or using them anymore.  My resolution is fine on my laptop, but when I plugin an external LCD projector the screen is all garbled with little boxes. Anyone seen this?
[14:42] <danbh_intrepid> supermaku: see /topic
[14:42] <BluesKaj> supermaku:  there's very few nvidia cards supported in 8.10 ibex
[14:44] <BUGabundo_work> !topic
[14:44] <supermaku> blueskaj: yeah. I manually installed nvidia settings and my resolution locally on my laptop was not high at all, so I dropped those packages and went back to the default 8.10.  THe laptop screen resolution is perfect, just no lcd function.  The lcd projects my bios, the ubuntu loading logo, but once it actually kicks in to the user login it is unreadable, like a bunch of ASCII flourescent characters all over the screen.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> supermaku:  that's cuz the X window isn't loading properly into your video output
[14:56] <supermaku> yeah, i'm hoping some will be fixed after the 30th.
[14:59] <chad> Has anyone been able to get VPN working from network-manager ?
[14:59] <BUGabundo_work> nope chad
[15:00] <BUGabundo_work> let me get you the LP id for it
[15:00] <chad> BUGabundo_work: so its everyone then ?
[15:00] <chad> thank you
[15:03] <graingert> will the ibex gdm include a composited face browser?
[15:03] <graingert> or where can I find out if it will
[15:03] <czajkowski> how are people finding the new release?
[15:04] <graingert> I found it at ttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc czajkowski
[15:05] <czajkowski> graingert: sorry, I meant, how are you finding the new release, nice? things work ?
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: I know :-p
[15:05] <vbabiy> hey does any one have issues with notification icons using Nvidia 177
[15:05] <czajkowski> any problems, big things to overcome to get it to just work
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: try in a virtualbox vm
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: to see if you like it
[15:06] <graingert> czajkowski: otherwise seems fine
[15:06] <graingert> czajkowski: or try a liveseedy
[15:06] <czajkowski> graingert: I'll upgrade tonight
[15:06] <czajkowski> just wondered
[15:07] <graingert> czajkowski: wait till the 30th
[15:07] <czajkowski> graingert: well I'm hosting a release party then so want to have things set up for then
[15:09] <BUGabundo_work> chad sorry for the delay: bug 259168
[15:09] <graingert> czajkowski: k00l
[15:10] <czajkowski> graingert: yup, should be fun
[15:10] <BUGabundo_work> czajkowski: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904 ?
[15:12] <czajkowski> BUGabundo_work: oh joy and I just installed compiz and it's soo pretty
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: hey sorry about that my network connection is sometimes flakey in 8.10
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: did you happen to find the lp site ?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> what do you mean?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> I did, and I told you
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> "chad sorry for the delay: bug 259168"
[15:13] <ArShAm> hi all
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: no .. sorry i got dc there
[15:14] <chad> BUGabundo_work: np thanks
[15:14] <ArShAm> I am the one who had problems after upgrading to intrepid from alternate CD
[15:14] <ArShAm> I cam to inform you the problem was the nvidia driver
[15:16] <zniavre> !Ooo
[15:17] <Cypher> All righty... I just got Intrepid Ibex last night on my i386, and when I used eNVy to get a driver for my NVidia Geforce, it seems to have broken X11.Anyone else had this happen?
[15:18] <ArShAm> Cypher, I have had it and solved it
[15:18] <ArShAm> wait I'm on the phne
[15:18] <ArShAm> phone*
[15:19] <Cypher> ArShAm: I can wait. =P Nice to know someone knows how to do this stuff though.
[15:19] <darkphader> how to use aptitude to install a package w/o it's dependencies ??
[15:19] <ArShAm> ok
[15:19] <joaopinto> darkphader, you can't install a package w/o it's dependencies, that would give you a broken install
[15:19] <ArShAm> Cypher, I just solved it
[15:19] <darkphader> joaopinto: not really
[15:19] <ArShAm> you need the kernel restricted modules to be installed
[15:19] <dug_> darkphader: maybe try -f for force
[15:20] <Cypher> Kernel restriccted modules... lemme get a piece of paper
[15:20] <darkphader> i think force just eliminates prompts
[15:20] <ArShAm> and install nvidia-177-modalias package
[15:20] <Daekdroom> How to make udev do not modprobe a module? blacklisting it didn't work.
[15:20] <dug_> darkphader: see this thread if it helps, i didn't read all the way thru it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127174
[15:20] <ArShAm> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:20] <Cypher> Back
[15:20] <joaopinto> darkphader, what are you trying to install ?
[15:21] <Cypher> ... phone
[15:21] <Cypher> Wow
[15:21] <ArShAm> why wow?
[15:21] <darkphader> i want to instal tftpd-hpa and the pacake manager wantes to install xinetd with it
[15:21] <darkphader> it can use xinetd
[15:21] <darkphader> but it can also run on it's own
[15:21] <darkphader> as i've done it on many systems
[15:22] <ed0n0n> i have ubuntu 8.10 and when moving (drag & drop) files with nautilus, it closes the nautilus window and after opens users home dir. Same happens since upgrade in another computer. Do you know why this happens?
[15:22] <Cypher> Ok
[15:22] <Cypher> ArShAm, what's the commands I do again?
[15:23] <joaopinto> darkphader, you can use equivs
[15:23] <ArShAm> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[15:24] <Cypher> K...
[15:24] <ArShAm> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[15:24] <joaopinto> darkphader, sudo apt-get install equivs
[15:24] <ArShAm> and
[15:24] <fiXXXerMet> how can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04.1 server install to 8.10?  I don't have / want X installed, so update-manager won't do
[15:24] <ArShAm> then : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:24] <Daekdroom> fiXXXerMet: use update-manager-core package
[15:24] <ArShAm> that will flush your X configuration file
[15:24] <darkphader> equivs has a ton of deps!!
[15:25] <Cypher> Ok then
[15:25] <joaopinto> darkphader, equivs allows to "fake" dependencies
[15:25] <Cypher> Thankee sir!
[15:25] <darkphader> even exim !!
[15:25] <ArShAm> apt-get install nvidia-177-modaliases
[15:25] <darkphader> absurd
[15:25] <fiXXXerMet> Daekdroom: How do I use it?  That package is already installed.
[15:26] <joaopinto> fiXXXerMet, you have the "do-release-upgrade" which is the command line equivalent
[15:26] <fiXXXerMet> oh, I see
[15:26] <darkphader> there was something else i ran across with the exim dep that was totally unnecessary
[15:27] <fiXXXerMet> joaopinto: Seems to be working.  Thank you.
[15:31] <nemo> anyone here have any idea why like half or two-thirds of my icon themes no longer seem to work properly?
[15:31] <nemo> they all seem to no longer render folder icons
[15:31] <nemo> other icons, curiously, work fine
[15:32] <nemo> For example. Dropline Neu! works, Dropline Neu and Dropline Nuovo, don't.
[15:34] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, how can I upgrade my installation (hardy heron) to intrepid from cdrom ?
[15:35] <Alcapond> Hi - I just graded up to kubuntu 8.10 rc (from 8.4, KDE4) - now I lost most of my icons (just stupid icons are shown at most places), and my kontact only has old mails, and looks very kde3ish... Any help on these issues?
[15:37] <nemo> jaysonsantos: you doing it from CDROM to save network bandwidth?
[15:37] <nemo> jaysonsantos: you have a slow connection?
[15:37] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Yes
[15:37] <nemo> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#head-7311a7de9fdf1ca310c6937460c0a9d33f54279d
[15:38] <jaysonsantos> nemo, The problem is: I can't find that cdromupgrade in cdrom root
[15:38] <nemo> hm. I don't have an 8.10 image
[15:38]  * nemo checks his 8.04 image
[15:40] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Here iso contents http://pastebin.com/m76811fef
[15:40] <nemo> oh. of course
[15:40] <nemo> hm. or not.
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: those upgrade instructions are a little ambiguous
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: from the path though, it implies to me you boot off of the upgrade CD
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: I think /cdrom is a path you get when you're booted off the CD
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: now *why* it doesn't say that in step 2....
[15:42]  * nemo boots off his 8.04 image to check (yay virtualbox)
[15:43] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Do I need boot from cdrom ? That instructions says I only need put cdrom on my drive
[15:43] <nemo> I think so
[15:43] <nemo> and I agree. they are ambiguous
[15:44] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Ok thank you, i will try that.
[15:45] <petererer> hmm, i wonder if amsynth works now
[15:45] <Daekdroom> How to make udev do not modprobe a module? blacklisting it on modprobe didn't work.
[15:45] <nemo> Daekdroom: um. you were here a couple of days ago weren't you?
[15:45] <nemo> Daekdroom: and didn't you discover you had a typo in your blacklist?
[15:45] <Daekdroom> Yes
[15:45] <nemo> like, _ vs - ?
[15:46] <Daekdroom> I didn't. Apparently someone typo'd on launchpad.
[15:46] <evan_> hey does nv driver work with geforce 8200? and does this still work with radeon: "xmodule=fbdev"  ??
[15:46] <Daekdroom> Anyway. To make sure, I blacklisted with - and with _, it didn't work
[15:46] <evan_> if not, is there any way? or driver in wich i can get them to work?
[15:47] <nemo> Daekdroom: wonder if alsa is loading the module
[15:48] <Daekdroom> nemo: Well. The boot hangs at udev. Not sure how it works
[15:48] <Daekdroom> But it just came in my mind that I should see if udev has a blacklist itself.
[15:49] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps
[15:49] <nemo> Daekdroom: looks like udev does do a modprobe
[15:49] <nemo> Daekdroom: but, if it does that for one on the blacklist, surely you should be ok
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Of course it does.
[15:50] <Daekdroom> If it didn't, I'dnt get a modprobe traceback xD
[15:50] <Daekdroom> Well.
[15:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: heh. I only have a passing familiarity with udev - for all I knew, the probing occurred earlier :)
[15:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: looks like the modprobe manpage is pretty explicit
[15:50] <nemo>        -b --use-blacklist
[15:50] <nemo>                  This option causes modprobe to apply the  blacklist  commands
[15:50] <nemo>                  in  the  configuration file (if any) to module names as well.
[15:50] <nemo>                  It is usually used by udev(7).
[15:51] <nemo> sorry. 4 lines is a little excessive
[15:51] <Daekdroom> I'm not very sure it was that module. Could have been another. modprobe crashes, I get a few more outputs about saa7134 and then boot hangs.
[15:51] <nemo> Daekdroom: interesting, I see no evidence of a reference to -b anything in the udev rules
[15:52] <nemo> oh. there is a -b
[15:53] <nemo> Daekdroom: alrighty. should all work fine then :)
[15:53] <nemo> Daekdroom: say, do you have an /etc/modprobe.conf ?
[15:53] <Daekdroom> No
[15:53] <Daekdroom> I have an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklits
[15:53] <Daekdroom> *blacklist
[15:53] <nemo> ah. good, 'cause modprobe said it would use that preferentially over the .d
[15:53] <nemo> which would be bad
[15:55] <Daekdroom> The worst is that I'm getting used to Vista again :/
[15:56] <nemo> heh
[15:56] <nemo> never had vista to get used to
[15:56] <nemo> don't plan to either
[15:56] <Daekdroom> It's not that bad. It's just.. a little heavy.
[15:56] <nemo> Daekdroom: if you say so, I've performed 3 Vista to XP upgrades for friends though
[15:56] <nemo> at their request
[15:57] <nemo> I always made it an XP/Ubuntu machine
[15:57] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing to kubuntu 8.10 my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps (before I had 8.4 / KDE4 remix)
[16:02] <frybye>  Hi - in connection with the crossover free download today - one gets a "install-crossover*.sh" shell script - what do i need to do with it...??
[16:02] <bazhang> frybye, chmod +x filename.sh
[16:03] <bazhang> then sudo -i ./filename.sh
[16:03] <frybye> and what then please??
[16:03] <frybye> ok - thanks...
[16:04] <graingert> crossover is free?
[16:05] <dulak> today only
[16:05] <bazhang> yup
[16:05] <bazhang> today only: lame duck special
[16:05] <graingert> lame duck?
[16:05] <frybye> it says:-  -bash: ./install-crossover-pro-7.1.0.sh: No such file or directory
[16:05] <mnemoc> graingert: bush :p
[16:06] <bazhang> frybye, you need to get to the desktop after sudo -i
[16:06] <frybye> i am already at the desktop...#
[16:06] <bazhang> try ls
[16:06] <graingert> what did bush do?
[16:06] <nemo> Daekdroom: anyway, why not just stay on Hardy until this issue is resolved?
[16:07] <darkphader> joaopinto: -R solved my problem - appears the xinetd wasn't a hard dep
[16:07] <mnemoc> graingert: the answer to that is way too Off Topic
[16:07] <Daekdroom> nemo: Too lazy to reinstall 8.04, get my USB modem working and set it up fine all again.
[16:07] <graingert> mnemoc: sorry I am a uker, so I don't know
[16:07] <frybye> right I do ls and the file is listed.. in green print in fact...
[16:08] <graingert> mnemoc: url me to the news?
[16:08] <mnemoc> graingert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lame_duck_(politics)
[16:08] <frybye> bazhang: so what am i doing wrong pal???
[16:09] <mnemoc> graingert: http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[16:10] <bazhang> frybye, from that message you either are not in the right directory or you dont have the name correctly
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: you know, there's one easy way to do a blacklist
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: erase the damn module :D
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: and any that have that evil string in it
[16:10] <bazhang> frybye, I suspect the former
[16:10] <eternal_p> good for them, btw (crossover)
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: or move 'em to some disabled directory
[16:11] <frybye> bazhang: don't get me wrong now - but isn't ./filename.. to run a p r o g r a m m e not a script or..
[16:11] <Daekdroom> nemo: Erase the module? Checked. Anything that has the evil string in it. Unchecked. Make sure to do that everytime I upadte a kernel, impossible >.>
[16:11] <bazhang> frybye, did you chmod +x it?
[16:11] <frybye> I am at tilde/Desktop
[16:11] <mnemoc> frybye: that script includes an encoded copy of the tarball to be installed
[16:11] <frybye> yes...
[16:11] <nemo> Daekdroom: meh. doing it everytime you update kernel isn't that horrible. would be a oneline shell script
[16:11] <nemo> Daekdroom: would be interesting to see if that solves things though
[16:11] <frybye> I suspect that that is indicated by it being green or..?
[16:11] <nemo> if it doesn't, you know your problem lies elsewhere
[16:12] <Daekdroom> nemo: I'm not sure I deleted the module anyway. The module folder is a big mess.
[16:12] <frybye> mnemoc: so what do i have to do to deal with that...
[16:12] <nemo> Daekdroom: what's the module name again?
[16:13] <Daekdroom> nemo: saa7134 and saa7134-alsa
[16:13] <marcoaesis> i have atheros 24xx wireless integrated on my compaq cq60...with ubuntu 8.10 works ?
[16:14] <frybye> mnemoc: the scripts are very small - cant be much in them at all I guess.. except a few commands I suspect or..?
[16:14] <mnemoc> frybye: 26M	install-crossover-pro-demo-7.1.0.sh
[16:15] <mnemoc> frybye: If yours is smaller, it's probably incomplete
[16:15] <nemo> Daekdroom: udo find /lib/modules -name "saa7134*" -exec rm -f {} \;
[16:15] <nemo> er. sudo
[16:15] <Daekdroom> nemo: Isn't that a little.. er.. risky?
[16:15] <nemo> Why? :)
[16:15] <frybye> yeah it is 26M - just I have a fast dsl and hardly noticed the d-load..
[16:16] <marcoaesis> any ideas for my atheros 24xxx wireless card ?
[16:16] <joaopinto> because you are not supposed to remove files installed by packages, manually...
[16:16] <Daekdroom> nemo: and I just noticed why I couldn't find it using find xD
[16:16] <nemo> joaopinto: we are aware of that
[16:16] <Daekdroom> nemo: I'll write down that syntax
[16:16] <mnemoc> frybye: then, as you were told, chmod +x it and run it with sudo
[16:16] <dug_> !crossover
[16:16] <joaopinto> nemo, so don't ask why ;)
[16:16] <nemo> joaopinto: that's not a risk though
[16:16] <frybye> mnemoc: ok I will try it again...
[16:17] <jlintz> anyone have any problems with the hamster-applet for time tracking?
[16:17] <nemo> frankly, only thing I can imagine Daekdroom is concerned about is maybe that find wiping all of /lib/modules for some reason
[16:17] <nemo> and I didn't put a recursive in there or anything :)
[16:17] <jlintz> i thought it was coming included but do not see it in the list of applets, and installing the package does not yield it showing up in the list of applets
[16:17] <mnemoc> dug_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossOver
[16:17] <Daekdroom> lol
[16:17] <dug_> anyone get spearhead/medal of honor working in wine?
[16:18] <dug_> that's the only reason i boot up to windows now and then :)
[16:18] <frybye> mnemoc: and sudo -i is the right command - yeah??
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: have you checked the wine app db? :-p
[16:18] <Daekdroom> Look on wine APPdb
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: also, if you're a hard core wine user, hopefully you added the wine channel to your sources list
[16:18] <frybye> like - cos it wont have worked for -some- reason I geuss...
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: 'cause a lot of stuff works way better in wine 1.1.6
[16:19] <mnemoc> frybye: sudo -i <command>
[16:19] <dug_> thanks
[16:19] <frybye> sorry - I am a bit lost here ..
[16:20] <frybye> you mean put the ./filename.sh into < >
[16:21] <frybye> the "<" and ">" actually have to be in the console command or...?
[16:21] <mnemoc> frybye: sudo -i ./filename.sh
[16:22] <frybye> that is what I did 10 mins ago... i will do again.. hang on...
[16:23] <mnemoc> frybye: sorry, remove the -i
[16:23] <frybye> here...http://paste.ubuntu.com/63662/
[16:24] <frybye> mnemoc: ok - I try that...
[16:25] <mnemoc> -i changes dir, so you would need to pass $PWD/filename.sh
[16:25] <mnemoc> (absolute path)
[16:25] <frybye> it said:- '/home/ron' must exist and belong to you in order for the installation to proceed.
[16:25] <frybye> and :- If installing as root, you may need to log in as root, use 'su -' or 'sudo -H'
[16:26] <mnemoc> frybye: then use -i and the absolute path
[16:26] <joaopinto> mnemoc, sudo sh filename.sh
[16:26] <joaopinto> ops, frybye
[16:26] <frybye> so it is sudo sh filname.sh .. right???
[16:26] <mnemoc> that wont help
[16:27] <joaopinto> it it's an sh file, it will work just fine
[16:27] <frybye> when you say - absolute path - you mean like /home/user/Desktop etc etc.. yeah???
[16:27] <mnemoc> joaopinto: he already chmod +x it and got that message about the ownership of $HOME
[16:28] <joaopinto> ah ok, it's using the login user credential
[16:28] <mnemoc> i haven't installed it, but it seems to want to be installed as luser and not as root
[16:28] <frybye> this thing with "   sudo -H  " wont do it??
[16:29] <mnemoc> frybye: try ;-)
[16:30] <nemo> hm
[16:30] <frybye> yep that did it... but I just realized I need to wait for the serial number to come by email in the comming days first...
[16:30] <nemo> I answered jaysonsantos badly. I feel bad :(
[16:30] <frybye> but that did it - brought up a "windows-looking" install window etc..
[16:31] <frybye> at least i know what I need to do when the ser. numbers are here.. thanks a load guys...
[16:31] <mnemoc> frybye: yw
[16:31] <DivineDelirium> hi
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> i've got a problem with wireless in intrepis
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> wireless is recognise in ifconfig
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> but i can't connect to this
[16:33] <DivineDelirium> there is a tool for look wireless?
[16:33] <DivineDelirium> toc toc
[16:34] <DivineDelirium> please
[16:35] <DivineDelirium> mmhhrr
[16:36] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing to Kubuntu 8.10 my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps (before I had 8.4 / KDE4 remix)
[16:41] <nemo> DivineDelirium: are you using gnome?
[16:42] <DivineDelirium> yes namo
[16:42] <DivineDelirium> nemo
[16:42] <nemo> DivineDelirium: in System->Administration->Network Tools is your wireless set to "roamin" ?
[16:42] <nemo> roaming
[16:42] <DivineDelirium> wait..
[16:43] <DivineDelirium> there isn't wireless voice
[16:43] <DivineDelirium> only loopback and ethernet
[16:44] <nemo> DivineDelirium: you don't have a kill switch do you?
[16:44] <DivineDelirium> i don't know
[16:44] <nemo> DivineDelirium: do you know your way around a command line?
[16:44] <DivineDelirium> speak like i am a child, im italian my english isn't good
[16:45] <nemo> DivineDelirium: how's your french? :)
[16:45] <DivineDelirium> is better english
[16:46] <nemo> DivineDelirium: do you know how to use a command prompt?
[16:46] <DivineDelirium> yes
[16:46] <nemo> dmesg | grep -i "kill switch"
[16:46] <DivineDelirium> say me warh i must to write into the shell
[16:46] <nemo> run that
[16:47] <itsatrick> Hey, I'm having some trouble mounting audio CD's in Ibex.  No matter what disk I put in, I get a "wrong fs type" error.  The disk is /dev/scd0 and I'm mounting it on /media/cdrom0.  Before it prints out the "bad fs type," I get a long list of "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, secor ####"  (after I type sudo mount /dev/scd0)
[16:47] <DivineDelirium> ok nemo i run that
[16:47] <nemo> DivineDelirium: did it return anything?
[16:47] <DivineDelirium> no
[16:48] <nemo> alrighty. so much for that theory.
[16:48] <DivineDelirium> ah?
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: so, when you say you see it in ifconfig ... it is there, but down?
[16:48] <itsatrick> In /etc/fstab, I have /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec    0       0
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: do you mind dumping your entire dmesg and uploading it to a pastebin?
[16:48] <itsatrick> Anyone else having trouble?
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: something like  dmesg > ~/Desktop/dmesg.txt
[16:49] <dulak> or install pastebinit and dmesg | pastebinit
[16:49] <DivineDelirium> !pastebin
[16:49] <nemo> dulak: heh
[16:49] <nemo> or that
[16:49] <void^> itsatrick: audio cds don't have filesystems
[16:49] <nemo> void^: aye. shouldn't be able to mount them at all
[16:50] <DivineDelirium> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63677/ nemo
[16:50] <nemo> DivineDelirium: lol.
[16:50] <nemo> DivineDelirium: was wanting more a pastebin of the dmesg output :-p
[16:50] <DivineDelirium> i don't undertand.. :)
[16:51] <nemo> 12:48 < nemo> DivineDelirium: something like  dmesg > ~/Desktop/dmesg.txt
[16:51] <nemo> 12:49 < dulak> or install pastebinit and dmesg | pastebinit
[16:51] <DivineDelirium> aahh
[16:51] <nemo> DivineDelirium: I'd like to read everything, so I can see if your computer is having wireless problems
[16:51] <nemo> DivineDelirium: also, it'll tell me what eth0 is
[16:51] <nemo> (I doubt it is your wireless)
[16:52] <itsatrick> void^: How do I mount an audio cd and play it, though?
[16:52] <td123> void^: what about cdfs?
[16:52] <itsatrick> Do I need to wait 'til Thursday for Ibex to completely work?
[16:52] <itsatrick> cdfs?
[16:52] <etnoy> cdfs != audiocd
[16:52] <etnoy> afaik
[16:52] <dulak> itsatrick: audio cds aren't mounted, the cd drive itself plays them
[16:52] <etnoy> you need something like sound-juicer to play audio cds
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> i'm imploding
[16:53] <etnoy> if you need to rip cd tracks, sound-juicer can be used as well
[16:53] <td123> DivineDelirium: time to hit the gym
[16:53] <itsatrick> Hm...now it works.
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> hehe
[16:53] <chairman> platius r u here/
[16:53] <itsatrick> I wasn't able to do this before. :(
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> wicd nemo?
[16:54] <chairman> i'm still having a problem getting the adobe flash. i got it installed but nothing happened on the web page
[16:54] <itsatrick> Thanks.
[16:54] <etnoy> chairman: you restarted firefox?
[16:54] <etnoy> what does about:plugins say?
[16:54] <nemo> chairman: how did you install it? using package manager I hope?
[16:55] <chairman> using adept packager
[16:55] <Nece228> does ubuntu 8.10 removed problem with flash?
[16:55] <etnoy> Nece228: what problems?
[16:56] <Nece228> ff uses a lot of cpu when watching youtube or playing flash games
[16:56] <etnoy> that would be a problem with the adobe flash player, not firefox
[16:56] <nemo> etnoy: and his graphics acceleration, most likely
[16:56] <etnoy> since flash is closed source, we have no way of improving it
[16:56] <nemo> Nece228: say, do you have a cheap graphics card and are using flash?
[16:56] <mnemoc> Nece228: it uses even more now :(
[16:56] <nickwinl> adept isn't tht great a program go to adobe's web page directly and download it.
[16:57] <Nece228> as i know ubuntu 8.10 should have flash 10
[16:57] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, I've noticed an improvement with Flash 10
[16:57] <mnemoc> WelshDragon: improvement as on eating your CPU faster?
[16:57] <chairman> ok. i got it now thanks guys
[16:57] <Nece228> nemo: my video card is super powerful: radeon 9600
[16:57] <Nece228> mnemoc: bad bad :(
[16:58] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, improvement as in it's using ~20% less CPU on average than Flash 9 used to.
[16:58] <Cycom> neat
[16:58] <Nece228> WelshDragon: thats a lie
[16:58] <WelshDragon> =.=
[16:58] <Nece228> WelshDragon: nothink is going faster than previous versions
[16:58] <mnemoc> WelshDragon: you are blessed then
[16:59] <Nece228> WelshDragon: flash 8 worked much faster than 9
[16:59] <Nece228> WelshDragon: why flash 10 should be faster than 9?
[16:59] <WelshDragon> Put it this way, When using Flash 9 i couldn't visit some sites without enabling AdBlock. With Flash 10..I can.
[16:59] <nickwinl> download sysstat or scan /proc to really find out, ppl!
[16:59] <Nece228> mnemoc: but in gutsy i didnt have these problems
[17:00] <etnoy> flash 10 is newer, better, shinier than version 9 :)
[17:00] <mnemoc> my daughters used their via c3 box (566Mhz, 512M) mostly only for gmail, pidgin and "panfu"... a flash game... it was pretty usable until I updated their box to 8.10 ... no it's unplayable
[17:00] <mnemoc> now*
[17:00] <Nece228> etnoy: flash 10 is fatter, lazier, bigger
[17:01] <etnoy> :P
[17:01]  * mnemoc shared Nece228 opinion
[17:01] <mnemoc> shares*
[17:01] <etnoy> well, adobe flash is crap and we all know about it
[17:01] <nickwinl> and adobe keeps changing their server-side configs therefore the window controls are always different with each upgrade.
[17:01] <mnemoc> sadly open source implementations are even worse :(
[17:02] <Nece228> ive also heard big performance criticisms in photoshop cs4
[17:02] <Nece228> in fact my machine is 3000+ 64 athlon so i dont think thats its old
[17:02] <Nece228> because ubuntu works fast
[17:02] <mnemoc> they clearly have a "pact" with HW manufacturers
[17:02] <WelshDragon> Ubuntu works fast on a 200mhz laptop...
[17:03] <WelshDragon> =P
[17:03] <Nece228> i mean with gnome and all demons enabled
[17:03] <Nece228> it also works fast with kde 4.1
[17:03] <mnemoc> WelshDragon:  smoking?
[17:03] <Nece228> also i bought that pc few months ago
[17:03] <Nece228> and im not gonna to buy new one again
[17:04] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, What?
[17:04] <Pici> !ot
[17:04] <mnemoc> Pici: :)
[17:06] <WelshDragon> Does this channel close when for a short while once Intrepid is released?
[17:06] <nemo> redirects
[17:06] <WelshDragon> Until Jaunty Development starts?
[17:06] <Pici> WelshDragon: Yes.
[17:17] <Daemonik>  I were to encrypt the root filesystem of a laptop with a 3.4ghz Pentium 4, what would be the performance penalty?
[17:18] <aleksandar_te> I have one question
[17:18] <dfgas> how do i find out what alsa is using
[17:18] <dfgas> i wish alsa would get fixed
[17:18] <aleksandar_te> Will Intel 4500MHD be supported in 8.10 Final Release?
[17:19] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, It runs Compiz quite nicely, the version I was using about three weeks ago would freeze the machine though.
[17:19] <Nece228> and remember
[17:19] <Nece228> the dog is everythink
[17:19] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, I suggest running 8.10 release candidate.
[17:19] <aleksandar_te> I tried 8.10 Beta, but there are no drivers
[17:19] <aleksandar_te> I only see white screen
[17:20] <aleksandar_te> I had to set VESA driver to get it working
[17:21] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, If you can find newer drivers from Xorg's repositories or intel's site, try building and using them.
[17:21] <dxdemetriou> hi, where can I find the annoucements for release+1 that is decided the name using for the next release and what is the scope of the +1 release that starts after a few days of the current release?
[17:22] <ubuntu__> Hello everybody
[17:23] <ubuntu__> May I ask a question concerning ubuntu beta release?
[17:24] <WelshDragon> !ask | ubuntu__
[17:26] <td123> ubuntu__: it may have been fixed in the rc :P
[17:26] <_deba_> I am not sure why but kvkbd is not displaying the selected language layout. any suggestion to fix it ?
[17:28] <Darthfrog> *Can* the X configuration be altered manually anymore?  Xorg.conf seems pretty much a non-issue these days.
[17:29] <Darthfrog> Or are we back to the days of waving a dead chicken at it?
[17:30] <Daekdroom> It can, but most people won't need.
[17:30] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Got a pointer for me to figure it out?  While most people won't need to, I want to know how to. :-)
[17:32] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing to Kubuntu 8.10 my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps (before I had 8.4 / KDE4 remix)
[17:32] <ubuntu__> I cannot install the new ubuntu beta to hdd, when I use automatic partition setup, the partition manager  says "swap memory on scsi3 (sda) could not be created." I also cannot create manual partitions with it, same error occurs. The partition manager does not detect any existing partitions at all. I tried it with not partitions installed on hd, and a linux partition, but it was both not found and installing was not possible because of t
[17:32] <ubuntu__> he error I told before. When I start gparted from the live cd, it cannot find a device. Fdisk does so, also. Other linux version I tried, can detect my hdd and create partitions so it seams to be a ubuntu problem.
[17:33] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: Well. It's more or less the same way it was before. But they removed a few options and moved others
[17:33] <ubuntu__> any suggestions :-)
[17:33] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Thanks.
[17:33] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Can you boot into the live CD and do your partitioning from there?
[17:34] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: I think people at #xorg would flood you with documentation links if you asked there
[17:34] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Is this new way the Xorg way?  Or the Ubuntu way?
[17:34] <ubuntu__> @darthfrog: I can boot into live cd, but partitioning is not possible because gparted does not detect any device.
[17:34] <ubuntu__> +s
[17:34] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: Well. Xorg in general doesn't need a complex .conf anymore
[17:36] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Have you checked the MD5sum of the iso from which you burned the disk?  Did you run the disk check from the CD boot menu?
[17:36] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Nevermind gparted, does fdisk see the drives?
[17:37] <Darthfrog> Or cfdisk.
[17:37] <ubuntu__> no, fdisk doesnt work anyway
[17:37] <Darthfrog> ???
[17:37] <ubuntu__> no, I did not run the check tool from disk
[17:37] <Darthfrog> You might have a bum CD.
[17:38] <ubuntu__> @dartgfrog I will give it a try, run the check tool and check the md5 sum
[17:38] <ubuntu__> thank you
[17:38] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: you're welcome.  And good luck.
[17:40] <Jabar> hello everybody!
[17:42] <Jabar> I upgrade my ubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10, and have problems. I get the login screen and able to login after it just freezes. I had to dual boot to XP to get help, so please forgive me if i don't have the answers.... However i was here the othertime and was ask to note any errors in ./.xsession-errors which i did
[17:44] <mini-man> Jabar, that happened to me a couple times last week... did you try failsafe mode?
[17:44] <Jabar> First Error : X-session-manager[5675] : WARNING Could not read /home/jabar/.config/autpstart/bluetooth-applet.desktop < I don't have bluetooth, so any help is greatly appreciated ...
[17:44] <Jabar> Mini-man - I can get into failsafe root
[17:45] <mini-man> Jabar, try booting into failsafe and do a apt-get remove bluetooth
[17:45] <mini-man> or remove bluetooth-applet from sessions autostart
[17:46] <ArkoldThos> someone getting crashes at burning at k3b?
[17:47] <Jabar> Second error : X-session-manager [5675] : WARNING Unable to find 'gnome-wm' of required component 'windows manager' < sorry couldn't read my handwriting
[17:48] <mini-man> Jabar, looks like a compiz issue
[17:48] <Jabar> Mini-Man - i appreciated your help.. i will try them when i am happy to logout of winxp
[17:49] <mini-man> Jabar, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/277344
[17:49] <mini-man> looks like your errors
[17:49] <Jabar> last error : X-session-manager [5675] WARNING Application 'gnome-wm.desktop' fail to register before timeout
[17:50] <Jabar> mini-man - not sure if this is the same, i updated using terminal update command
[17:50] <DivineDelirium> i've got a acer extensa 5620z but wireless don't work
[17:50] <mini-man> Jabar, try disabling compiz and see if that helps?
[17:51] <Jabar> mini-man : please forgive me, how can i disbale compiz..?
[17:52] <Jabar> interesting i have intel 82845 video card... re bug 259385
[17:52] <mini-man> Jabar, can't remember, on Hardy i used to disable it with the appearance dialog, but that's obviously not going to work here :)
[17:52] <mini-man> Jabar, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608233
[17:52] <mini-man> might help
[17:54] <mini-man> iirc, compiz isn't started in gnome-failsafe mode, you could probably remove it from startup or such from there if you don't login as root
[17:55] <Jabar> mini-man : i tried the failsafe without gnome..just freezes
[17:56] <FiReSTaRT> guys, i have a couple of migration questions re: hardy -- > intrepid (clean reinstall).. 1) i'm assuming debs that worked on hardy should work on intrepid with no issues? 2) if i wanna transfer my user data like contact lists, account settings, program settings, all I need to do is copy the corresponding folders from my home folder to the new home folder once i have the ibex up and running?
[17:56] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, 1) wrong, 2) why are you going to reformat /home ?
[17:57] <ArkoldThos> how can I burn a cd via console? :o
[17:57] <FiReSTaRT> reformat+reinstall
[17:57] <ArkoldThos> joaopinto: probably he gots all in one partition :O
[17:58] <BenHoltz3> Can someone help me figure out where to start to see why compiz won't load at startup?
[17:58] <joaopinto> Intrepid allows to install into an existing partition without removing /home
[17:58] <joaopinto> there is no need to reformat
[17:58] <FiReSTaRT> actually there is unless i can repartition
[17:59] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, no there isn't, the installer will remove /usr, /var, ... etc, but not /home
[17:59] <FiReSTaRT> so if i save my /home partition, all of my user data will be restored?
[17:59] <joaopinto> that was improved on the latest version, so that people do not need to have different partitions for reinstalls
[17:59] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, it is not restore, it simply is not deleted at all
[18:00] <joaopinto> just make sure you do not select to "Format", during the custom partitioning
[18:00] <FiReSTaRT> i know.. but i really wanna repartition my system to make it run more efficiently (it is true that i have everything on one part. atm)
[18:00] <alteregoa> heh is there a mp3 list or audio file llist maker for linux?
[18:00] <FiReSTaRT> and i have about 100gb of wasted space, tyvm brother bill
[18:01] <FiReSTaRT> which i'll just wipe off
[18:01] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, splitting into partitions does not increase efficiency
[18:02] <FiReSTaRT> ok, so under those circumstances... i can install intrepid and reassign the partition currently assigned to v**ta any which way i please?
[18:02] <__ubuntu> Hello again, I was here 15 minutes ago with that ubuntu installation problem. I now run the checktool, which did not found any errors. I compared the md5 sums, and they were equal so the iso is not demaged...
[18:03] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, you can resize your single partition
[18:03] <joaopinto> just use the partition editor from the live cd
[18:03] <FiReSTaRT> ahhh ok.. that'll make it easier... now just for that one concern...
[18:04] <FiReSTaRT> i have some apps that aren't in the repositories.. so my only option is to compile from source? what's the issue with the hardy debs?
[18:05] <Jabar> Mini-Man : That was very helpful, i read launchpad.net/bugs/259385 <appears i will try the suppose fix... thanks for your help and time ;)
[18:07] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, it depends on the compatibility/availability of the libraries those built apps depend on
[18:07] <BenHoltz> Can someone help me with an issue of compiz --replace not working?
[18:08] <mnemoc> [34852.879079] rtl8187: 8187B chip detected. Support is EXPERIMENTAL, and could damage your
[18:08] <mnemoc> [34852.879082]          hardware, use at your own risk
[18:08] <mnemoc> oh
[18:08] <FiReSTaRT> ahh so it's a hit and miss thing
[18:08] <Nakkel> Installed latest Kubuntu RC and it still doesnt keep most of my settings. Windows wont remember their toolbars or columns in listviews when quit. Themes reset back to Oxygen on logout/reboot even so that the actual line in config files magically dissapears between boots. Some application settings wont hold even after closing the setup window.
[18:08] <FiReSTaRT> ok thanks a lot joao.. i better split now.. the electrician's coming in :) ciao
[18:11] <__ubuntu> nobody any suggestions for ubuntu beta installation problem? The installer cannot creat the swap partition, it even cannot see the partitions which are already there. Other linux distrs work and can create partitions.
[18:14] <jAk> Mini-Man : it WORKED.... your the man!! ;)
[18:16] <jAk> oh blast, he/she isn'tonline...well... thanks am in ubuntu 8.10 at last !!!
[18:17] <LARefugee> howdy howdy. Almost daily updates to the bluetooth stack and still I only can get a hissing sound from my headset and an error message from aplay. Anyone have better luck?
[18:18]  * BenHoltz hates compiz problems.... also wishes to get some help...
[18:20] <LARefugee> And how about network manager and vpns? The vpn support seems to be turned off (grayed out). Any tips there?
[18:21] <Turgon>  Hello. I have been trying to install my laptop's webcam driver (Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0402:5602 ALi Corp. Video Camera Controller), which I found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/ I extract the files, run "make", then "sudo checkinstall". Everything seems alright. The problem comes when I try to load the module "/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/media/m5602.ko"; I get this error message: "Unknown symbol in module,
[18:21] <Turgon>  or unknown parameter (see dmesg)". My dmesg output is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63699/ Just in case it helps, here is the makefile that it is used to compile the driver: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63700/ I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 RC (updated from 7.10). Any ideas about what can I do to load the module m5602? Thanks a lot for your help and kind work :-D
[18:25]  * BenHoltz hears the jeopardy theme song in the music on hold for this channel.
[18:33] <W8TAH> i heard someplace that ibex contains the ability to have an encrypted personal file store - of some kind - -how is this done?
[18:33] <W8TAH> as in how do i set it up
[18:34] <Pici> W8TAH: Its in the release notes
[18:34] <W8TAH> ok thanks
[18:38] <jin> how can I rollback from Intrepid RC1 to Ubuntu Hardy?
[18:38] <larsemil> how is symbols in xkb in X11 working in intrepid? cant find a /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/se file on intrepid but it is there on hardy
[18:39] <victim[v]> i'm using Kubuntu 8.10 RC, freshly installed today. I had some issues with my FX5200 and the 173 drivers from Nvidia (I can now restore the screen resolution to 1028 8768). I've just started OpenOffice Writer and several 'bits' of the KDE4 panel (at the bottom) have turned blue. The panel is fine if I create a spreadsheet or create a text doc then a spreadsheet.
[18:40] <W8TAH> pici -- the release notes that i am finding state it exists but not how to install / configure it - -or even a name that i can work from for further searching
[18:40] <victim[v]> It only happens when I have an OOO Writer window open
[18:40] <Pici> W8TAH: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc#Encrypted%20private%20directory
[18:40] <W8TAH> thank you
[18:41] <W8TAH> thanks -- i was looking in the wrong area
[18:42] <mnemoc> is ubuntu supposed to "share the load" if one has more than 1 wifi device connected to the same network?
[18:43] <Pici> mnemoc: No, It won't know to do that automatically.  I assume its possible, but I don't know how to configure it.
[18:44] <jimmy51_> hello, i've got an nvidia riva tnt2 and can't find nvidia-glx-legacy in the repos
[18:44] <jimmy51_> what can i do?
[18:45] <mnemoc> Pici: my pci card is detecting a 1M bandwidth, but I plugged a usb wifi thumb which detects the 54M .... shall I remove the pci to use the thumb?
[18:46] <Pici> mnemoc: If you want.
[18:49] <larsemil> hmm cant seem to get nm-applet.. why could that be?
[18:50] <devon_> does anyone know how to configure network manager to stop scanning when it's connected to an AP?
[18:50] <devon_> I get booted from my network 2-6 times daily
[18:50] <devon_> and looking at older defects (with other wireless chipsets) the constant scanning is strongly associated with that behavior
[18:57] <groogy> Yo! I have a problem. I'm making this program in ruby that is using OpenGL. And sometimes when I closes it, the screen drops down to commandline and after a second I am back to the login window. My guess is that I by mistake crash something? In Hardy it worked perfectly.
[18:57] <groogy> Any idea what the problem is?
[18:59] <groogy> halp plz? ^_^
[18:59] <bytor4232> I'm running cairo dock under xubuntu intrepid, and there is no option or configuration to change it to the 3d angled look.
[19:03] <victim[v]> A screenshot of my normal desktop http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d6085c4dc1.png
[19:03] <victim[v]> A screenshot of the missing panels and K menu when OpenOffice writer is focused http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d5aa869b0e.png
[19:08] <RHSanborn> Does anyone know off the top of their head if the new network manager supports third party wireless drivers?
[19:08] <RHSanborn> I'd been using wicd in hardy and I'm not sure if having wicd on there prior to upgrade may have upset anything.
[19:10] <larsemil> when i run nm-applet i only get a warning saying: No connections defined. what is that about?
[19:12] <funkyHat> Only DVD images for intrepid? :(
[19:12] <GibbaTheHutt> I used cd
[19:12] <GibbaTheHutt> larsemil, does it carry on and work though ?
[19:13] <funkyHat> I'm looking at the rc release download page and it's only dvds
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: i am connected with wire yes
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: but i dont see a applet
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: so its not working, cant see any wlans and so on
[19:13] <GibbaTheHutt> top right corner ?
[19:13] <larsemil> nothing in notification area
[19:13] <GibbaTheHutt> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ are all cds funkyHat
[19:14] <funkyHat> Ah, I was looking at a different page, silly google!
[19:14] <funkyHat> thanks GibbaTheHutt :)
[19:14] <GibbaTheHutt> yw
[19:15] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, run nm in the console
[19:15] <Supersaiyan_IV> that or nm-applet
[19:15] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: nm: 'a.out': No such file
[19:16] <Supersaiyan_IV> sry my bad, completely wrong command :P
[19:16] <Supersaiyan_IV> it's nm-applet
[19:17] <Supersaiyan_IV> it should start the network manager
[19:17] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: i know that it should start it. this is my problem. :) its not starting it. :D
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> ps -A | grep nm
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> does that give any output is nm-applet is actually running?
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> if*
[19:18] <larsemil> its starting the process, nothing visible in the notification area and if i run it in terminal it gives me: no connections defined
[19:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> so, i suppose ifconfig gives the correct output?
[19:20] <larsemil> yep
[19:20] <Supersaiyan_IV> hmm
[19:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> tried reinstalling nm-applet?
[19:21] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: yes. i even tried a newer version then the one in intrepid
[19:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> sudo ifconfig eth0 up, then start applet, does that change anything?
[19:24] <larsemil> nope same error
[19:24] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, or, sudo ifconfig eth0 mode auto
[19:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> sorry thats for iwconfig
[19:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, im out of ideas
[19:26] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, when reainstalling, did you purge the config files?
[19:26] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: yes i did sudo apt-get purge
[19:27] <larsemil> and also autoremove on the other packages that was pulled on installing
[19:27] <KDesk> hi
[19:27] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, sorry, but im of no help in this case
[19:28] <larsemil> thanks for trying
[19:29] <KDesk> I will install Kubuntu in a system in a few days. But I dont know if I should install 8.04 (with the kde 4 repo) or 8.10. The system should be stable, so I thought better would be 8.04. So my question is what do you recomend me to do?
[19:31] <GogetaX> hey all.. any1 can help me with ubuntu 8.10's networking?
[19:33] <GogetaX> i've got that Orange's iCON 255 (mobile netstick) im using. looks like the "Network Connections" could not understand my modem althought the lsusb CAN find it.. any1 can help me with that plz?
[19:33] <GibbaTheHutt> KDesk, if you want stability, use 8.04 just at first, but maybe try the livecd 8.10 a few times until happy its stable for you before using that
[19:33] <calc> KDesk: 8.10 has KDE 4.1 8.04 3.5
[19:34] <calc> KDesk: 8.04 probably would be more stable but 8.10 is new and shiny
[19:34] <GogetaX> sry i dont understand.. :s i just want that the netowkr list will regonize that network modem of mine..
[19:37] <Lr5> If I upgrade from 8.04 to the 8.10 release candidate version instead of waiting for the final release, will anything be different or will they be completely same versions after updating?
[19:38] <Pici> Lr5: They should be the same
[19:39] <Lr5> ok, thanks
[19:40] <KDesk> GibbaTheHutt: ok, I will try the live CD too see how it works a few hours.
[19:40] <Lr5> I guess I'll try it first on a live cd before upgrading to it, or is there some other way to test if it works fine?
[19:40] <KDesk> calc: But I would add the kde4 repo to 8.04
[19:41] <sahak> Hello
[19:41] <sahak> Can anybody listen to preset HBR1 radio stations in rhythmbox under Ubuntu 8.10?
[19:41] <calc> KDesk: ok
[19:41] <calc> KDesk: i imagine kde in 8.10 is more stable than the one that was built for 8.04 (unless they have updated it recently)
[19:43] <Daekdroom> I disagree
[19:43] <Daekdroom> 4.0 tree is very stable now. 4.1 is new.
[19:44] <GogetaX> any1 here know why my modem is not reginized by ubuntu's Internet Connection Lists?
[19:47] <GogetaX> any1 here know why my modem is not reginized by ubuntu's Internet Connection Lists?
[19:47] <Mimi> I don't know
[19:47] <Mimi> I don't know
[19:47] <GogetaX> grrr >_<
[19:47] <GogetaX> i asked if "any1" u dont need to answer if u dont know u know
[19:48] <frank23> I think I'm going to have to jump ship from kubuntu to ubuntu. KDE4 and the kde4 ports of apps aren't there yet and I'd like to upgrade. I'm still running gutsy
[19:48] <histo> Anyone know where I can begin trouble shooting why any keyboard I plug in numpad doesn't work?
[19:51] <larsemil> noone has any idea why nm-applet says: no connections defined when running it? it does not show in tray
[19:51] <joshua1> hi folks, i am having a "little" problem with a rt61 chipset based w-lan card. according to the wiki it should run out of the box since ubuntu 8.10 which it does not do in my case, is anyone used to this chipset?
[19:52] <histo> nvm I found it accesibility defaults to the keyboard being able to control the pointer in ibex. REtarded
[19:55] <bullgard4> Where will I find a summary what new features are implemented in Intrepid Ibex compared with Hardy?
[19:56] <bullgard4> histo: Check your dmesg. It will reflect keyboard errors.
[20:02] <histo> I already found the problem.
[20:03] <joshua1> is no one here who can help me?
[20:03] <binspace> Hello, is there a package for firefox2 on 8.10?
[20:04] <joshua1> if i login to the box via ssh and start wpa_supplicant with a definitly correct wpa_supplicant.conf i just get CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULT
[20:04] <joshua1> no suggestions?
[20:04] <nekostar> this is so wierd
[20:05] <nekostar> compiz bloats xorg up to 230MB
[20:05] <nekostar> and then it goes stable apparently
[20:05] <PatrickBic> evening.
[20:05] <nekostar> nautilus goes to 50-80MB
[20:05] <nekostar> and compiz stays around 58-62 MB usually
[20:05]  * nekostar sighs
[20:06] <nekostar> however ive got really bad video tearing in metacity AND c-f
[20:06] <PatrickBic> is is better (as in time needed to get it working properly) to install the rc and update the packages or to wait a few days (when the server got over the first download rush) and download intrepid then?
[20:06] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[1 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.986 MHz (19200.18 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NV
[20:06] <nekostar> IDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[20:06] <nekostar> PatrickBic i set it up early
[20:06] <nekostar> i'm gonna ride this setup till nov 30
[20:06] <Owe1> what is the encryption strenght of the private folder in ll
[20:06] <nekostar> PatrickBic are you decent at troubleshooting?
[20:06] <jbg7474> Hi all--anyone have any luck getting gpilot to synch with a Palm device in Intrepid?
[20:07] <nekostar> b/c this intrepid is in my opinion worth the bit of trouble it was to setup
[20:07] <nekostar> just remember if your vid card isnt autodetected to run jockey-gtk
[20:07] <nekostar> ^^
[20:07] <nekostar> b/c
[20:07] <nekostar> its SICK
[20:07] <nekostar> :d
[20:07] <PatrickBic> nekostar, i installed and used/tested over 50 distributions.. including stuff like lfs, gentoo ...
[20:07] <PatrickBic> so i guess i am fine with troubleshooting
[20:07] <PatrickBic> :P
[20:08] <nekostar> lol
[20:08] <nekostar> then yeah dont wait
[20:08] <nekostar> get in and setup b/f release
[20:08] <nekostar> :D
[20:08] <nekostar> occational update isnt so bad
[20:08] <nekostar> but here's how i do it.
[20:08] <ratpoison> hello! kubuntu amd64 8.10 user with ATI x1950 (r550). I'm experiencing a flashing display issue: The Display flashes once about 10 seconds.  I'm using radeonhd.
[20:09] <nekostar> i wont update any of: restricted modules, linux-kernels, linux-headers, nor compiz more than twice -
[20:09] <nekostar> most of the rest of it is ok
[20:09] <PatrickBic> kk
[20:10] <nekostar> ^^ gl PatrickBic
[20:10] <nekostar> ;)
[20:10] <nekostar> oh btw guys
[20:10] <PatrickBic> thanks :P
[20:10] <nekostar> dunno if anyone ever bothered
[20:10] <nekostar> conky can update quite fast :P
[20:10] <nekostar> tho it spikes a cpu
[20:10] <nekostar> lol
[20:10] <nekostar> on my quad, ive had it updateing up to every .002 seconds
[20:10] <nekostar> lol
[20:11] <nekostar> was hilarious - when it was finally killed it would not disappear
[20:11] <nekostar> it gets 'stuck' to the screen somehow
[20:11] <nekostar> lol
[20:11] <nekostar> gonna research that later this week
[20:11] <nekostar> :>
[20:11] <nekostar> er 'it gets 'stuck' to the desktop wallpaper', rather
[20:12] <nekostar> kk i'm out
[20:12] <PatrickBic> bye
[20:12] <nekostar> o/
[20:15] <Yuretsz> Hi all, what would be the differences with ubuntu 8.04 with all upgrades and ubuntu 8.10 ?
[20:16] <bullgard4> Where will I find a summary what new features are implemented in Intrepid Ibex compared with Hardy?
[20:17] <vega> by perhaps reading the topic?
[20:17] <jbg7474> Has anyone successfully synch'd a Palm device with gpilot on Intrepid?
[20:17] <calc> Yuretsz: extra packages installed that are no longer installed by default
[20:18] <calc> Yuretsz: maybe some other stuff as well, not sure
[20:20] <Yuretsz> calc: If I'll update, I'll have to update /etc/apt/sources.list by hands?
[20:21] <calc> Yuretsz: no there is a description of how to update on ubuntu.com (from what i recall) using update-manager
[20:21] <WelshDragon> Yuretsz, You can type 'update-manager -d' (without quotes) in the terminal.
[20:24] <jbg7474> Palm device?  Anyone?
[20:28] <megatog615> i have an amd athlon64 x2 5600+
[20:28] <megatog615> only one of the cores is activated
[20:28] <megatog615> is this a known issue?
[20:28] <megatog615> if so, where is the bug report?
[20:29] <TheInfinity> how do you know @ only one core?
[20:29] <megatog615> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:29] <megatog615> htop
[20:29] <megatog615> any number of things that show cpu cores
[20:29] <TheInfinity> ok ... bios settingss ok?
[20:29] <megatog615> yes
[20:31] <jbg7474> Has anyone successfully synch'd a Palm device using gpilot in Intrepid?
[20:33] <Hoover_4000> i cant get it to even recognize my palm
[20:34] <megatog615> anyone?
[20:34] <jbg7474> Hoover: I can see my Palm using lsusb, when I hit the hotsync button, so I know something is happening--but gpilot just sits there ignoring it
[20:35] <Hoover_4000> well i cant get mine to get recognized at all so i gave up
[20:36] <jbg7474> Hoover: I think people have done it with jpilot, but I'm personally reluctant to go away from evolution
[20:36] <firetoad> where do I go to configure wifi settings in ibex?
[20:36] <Hoover_4000> i tried it on both of them i gave up and decided to just use windows
[20:37] <jbg7474> Hoover: ugh--that's not exactly the response I was hoping for!
[20:37] <Hoover_4000> ya i know
[20:37] <Hoover_4000> people dont like me mentioning the W word
[20:38] <megatog615> [   31.276186] powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ processors (1 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00)
[20:38] <megatog615> great!
[20:38] <Tux007> Und jetzt?
[20:38] <eventmaster>    
[20:38] <eventmaster>   CONCEPTRONIC Wireless Desktop PCI Karte 300Mbps C300Ri    is this card working under hardy/intrepid
[20:39] <jbg7474> Hoover: I think something has to be done with a .fdi file, but I'm a little clueless on how to make those work right
[20:46] <Hoover_4000> jbg7474: i will work on finding out how but as of right now am stuck with syncing with ubuntu
[20:48] <joshua1> megatog615: check your kernelconfig, where you will find an option which allows you to use multiple cores but if you didn't compile your kernel yourself it should be enabled, another point is that, at least i can with gentoo but the feature is kernelbased and so should also be available in ubuntu, turn on and off the cores/cpus if you have more than one. But this is as far as i know experimental feature which shouldn't be enabled in the default ke
[20:52] <Tux007> Welche Einstellung in Netzwerk Configuration entspricht dem "Roaming" in Version 8.04? DHCP funtioniert bei mir nämlich nicht.
[20:53] <megatog615> joshua1: i am using the latest intrepid kernel(2.6.27-3-rt) on x86_64
[20:53] <megatog615> where would I find this kernel config?
[20:54] <megatog615> oh
[20:54] <megatog615> /boot/config-2.6.27-r-rt
[20:54] <joshua1> megatog615:change to /usr/src/linux (which is a symlink, maybe it is /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version>) and then type sudo make menuconfig
[20:54] <megatog615> i see # CONFIG_SMP is not set
[20:54] <joshua1> megatog615: is not set does not mean that it is disabled
[20:54] <megatog615> i dont feel confortable building my own kernel
[20:55] <megatog615> as i have never been successful
[20:55] <lbci> after latest update, atheros 5001x+ chipset loads but network manager does not see, if i deactivate->reactivate and choose edit connections it then connects automagically like it should? ne1 have an idea on where break is happening?
[20:55] <dug_> de!
[20:55] <dug_> de?
[20:55] <dug_> oh well
[20:55] <joshua1> megatog615:hat the same problem, changed to gentoo tried and tried and tried and somehow it worked xD
[20:55] <megatog615> i dont want to switch to gentoo either
[20:56] <megatog615> is there some kind of kernel command line switch i can use at grub to enable smp?
[20:56] <mn> Why is II taking so long to boot, and why do my top and bottom tool bars go away when I use firefox
[20:58] <Tux007> What is the altenate setting to "Roaming" in Vers. 8.04? DHCP dont work with my con. Roaming works - but there is no "Roaming" in 8.10 NM. I use a simple open WEP WLAN - Connect > Password... ready... NO DHCP - this works but not stable.
[20:58] <joshua1> megatog615: these are the only things i can think of but maybe it has something to do with powersaving, but if you did not build your own kernel and wrote your own menu.lst this should not be the problem because ubuntu has a quite good hardwareautodetection especially concerning cpus
[20:59] <mn> Sorry, something happened.
[20:59] <mn> Now why do my top and bottom toolbars go out of sight when I use firefox and why is it taking II so long to boot?
[21:00] <zerny> Hi, I just upgraded to the new release to test it out before the final release. Since the upgrade it seems that xorg.conf ignores any keyboard+mouse device entries. Is that so?
[21:01] <wgrant> zerny: That's correct.
[21:01] <wgrant> zerny: What are you trying to do?
[21:01] <zerny> wgrant: I would like to enable alt-switch (used in many european countries)
[21:01] <megatog615> joshua1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213011
[21:02] <zerny> wgrant: I did this with: Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" before
[21:02] <megatog615> though i am not using an i386 kernel
[21:02] <wgrant> zerny: You can probably put that in an fdi file.
[21:02] <wgrant> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config#hal
[21:02] <Daekdroom> Is it the x64 kernel?
[21:02] <megatog615> yes
[21:02] <megatog615> -rt
[21:03] <zerny> wgrant: thanks I will take a look
[21:03] <Daekdroom> Is the system up to date?
[21:03] <megatog615> yes
[21:03] <Daekdroom> Well. There might be a report concerning that too.
[21:03] <wgrant> zerny: What's wrong with that setting in System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[21:03] <wgrant> There's a checkbox for just that.
[21:03] <Daekdroom> They can't release a new kernel version at this point. Maybe there's a fix and it wasn't released. Or maybe they didn't know it happens under other conditions too.
[21:03] <zerny> wgrant: another thing. the keycode for AltGr on my thinkpad changed from 113 to 92 in intrepid. Is that not a bit undesirable?
[21:04] <megatog615> Daekdroom: is there a bug report?
[21:04] <wgrant> zerny: That I'm not quite sure of.
[21:04] <Daekdroom> megatog615: No idea. I haven't looked at launchpad lately
[21:04] <megatog615> hmm, i think i see a discrepency
[21:05] <megatog615> the latest rt kernel is 2.6.27-3
[21:05] <megatog615> the latest generic is 2.6.27-7
[21:05] <wgrant> That's not relevant.
[21:05] <wgrant> It just means that -rt came about later, so has a low ABI.
[21:05] <megatog615> well maybe it was fixed in the generic
[21:05] <wgrant> -rt is based on the latest -generic.
[21:05] <seclm193> Need some help
[21:06] <seclm193> wireless worked perfectly to my schools network in ubuntu 8.04, but 8.10 wont work without a certificate?
[21:06] <joshua1> megatog615: so your sure you have the 64bit version? try uname -r
[21:06] <alteregoa> can someone help me with the koyyanisqatsi?
[21:06] <wgrant> I know -rt is up to date because we were all watching the buildds just before releasefreeze, and linux-rt took up a lot of buildd time.
[21:06] <megatog615> yes i do have x86_64
[21:06] <wgrant> zerny: Found the checkbox in the GNOME keyboard preferences yet?
[21:06] <joshua1> is now someone here who is used to w-lan pci cards?
[21:07] <evan__> hey how do i kill xorg from ssh?
[21:07] <alteregoa> yeah eierless lan rocks
[21:07] <lobo235> I am getting an error when trying to apt-get a new package, the error is "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." This is happening after tasksel died in the middle of adding lamp-server
[21:07] <lobo235> any ideas?
[21:07] <wgrant> evan__: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will kill it and prevent it from restarting.
[21:07] <alteregoa> ok do it aga
[21:07] <zerny> wgrant: oh, sorry did not see that msg
[21:07] <megatog615> wgrant: i am assuming you are a dev
[21:08] <wgrant> megatog615: That is correct.
[21:08] <evan__> wgrant: nope thats not working... my screen is all black and keys are not responding
[21:08] <megatog615> i will give you any info you need
[21:08] <joshua1> megatog615:quite funny. do you maybe just have both of the cores seen as one, but this one with the power of both?
[21:08] <wgrant> zerny: It has moved in Intrepid; in System->Preferences->Keyboard, Layouts, Other Options, Third level choosers.
[21:08] <seclm193> can anyone help me with my problem, does vista store the certificate? and can i use that certificate?
[21:08] <megatog615> joshua1: i can tell my performance has dropped due to everything running on one core
[21:09] <wgrant> megatog615: I'm an X guy, not much of a kernel one, sorry.
[21:09] <megatog615> also, sensors detects both core temp sensors
[21:10] <evan__> wgrant: i managed to stop gdm and after it i killed xorg by  sudo kill -9 (pid)
[21:10] <megatog615> though one core is running at a much higher temp than the other
[21:10] <megatog615> difference of 5 degrees
[21:10] <wgrant> evan__: Erk. Which video driver are you using, and where does it fail in the log?
[21:10] <joshua1> megatog615:ok, no problem. that sensors detects both one sounds very strange..the difference maybe means that that one with the lower temp is not used
[21:11] <megatog615> yea
[21:11] <megatog615> tis running pretty cold(i take good care of my box) at 23 degrees
[21:11] <megatog615> while the other is running at 28
[21:11] <geremy> hey all, still looking for help with an intel 945's tv out in either hardy or intrepid, assistance would be much appreciated
[21:11] <joshua1> megatog615: so how you found out that you are using 64bit?
[21:11] <evan__> wgrant: no errors... but im trying to do dual screen maybe thats teh error
[21:12] <megatog615> joshua1: several ways
[21:12] <megatog615> uname -m
[21:12] <megatog615> the fact that i installed 64-it ubuntu 8.04 back when it came out
[21:12] <wgrant> evan__: Which video driver?
[21:12] <megatog615> *bit
[21:12] <megatog615> the fact that all my packages are amd64
[21:12] <zerny> wgrant: hmmm. it does not seem to do what it used to...
[21:13] <joshua1> megatog615:ok that is what i wanted to know, thought that maybe you installed the 64bit version userspace but the 32bit kernel (of what i am not sure whether it works)
[21:13] <wgrant> zerny: Uncheck that, add the fdi file, and see if it works, I guess
[21:13] <evan__> wgrant: i have a nvidia 8200 wich is connected to a monitor wich ehhh recieves a signal ( all black... ) and i have an ati HD3450
[21:13] <seclm193> Anyone can help with my wireless problem?
[21:13] <wgrant> Ah. Ew.
[21:13] <evan__> wicht dont receive signal
[21:13] <joshua1> ist no one familiar with the rt61 chipset?
[21:13] <wgrant> I'm not sure how well XRandR works with two video cards.
[21:14] <alteregoa> i need help with my koyyanisqatsi
[21:14] <alteregoa> it doesnt' run
[21:14] <alteregoa> i tried it with dreamcatchers and stuff
[21:14] <alteregoa> but it won't work
[21:14] <joshua1> megatog615:did you try uname -m when you inserted a ubuntu live cd?
[21:15] <megatog615> uh?
[21:15] <megatog615> look, i know its x86_64
[21:15] <wgrant> joshua1: If one has a live CD, one should already known which arch it is.
[21:15] <joshua1> megatog615:sry i meant cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:15] <megatog615> see my bug report comment
[21:16] <megatog615> joshua1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213011
[21:16] <seclm193> Is no one here about to help me?
[21:16] <megatog615> its the last comment
[21:18] <joshua1> megatog615: if you have the same problem using the livecd you know that it is a problem of your hardware or of ubuntu itsself (kernel or whatever) but not of your configuration. This is why i asked whether you checked /proc/cpuinfo when your system is running the live cd you probably used when you installed your system
[21:19] <megatog615> uh
[21:19] <megatog615> i used do-release-upgrade -d
[21:19] <zerny> wgrant: this keyboard stuff it too weird. AltGr now identifies as ISO_Level3_Shift, but in programs (xmonad, metacity) it acts like a Hyper (mod5) key...
[21:19] <megatog615> from 8.04
[21:19] <joshua1> megatog615: before it worked?
[21:19] <megatog615> yes
[21:20] <megatog615> in 8.04 i had two cores working
[21:20] <zerny> wgrant: I will try look in to it more later. Thank you for you help and nice work on the release!
[21:20] <joshua1> is really no one here who knows something about w-lan?
[21:20] <megatog615> i am going to try the generic kernel just for kicks
[21:20] <joshua1> megatog615:ok, good idea...
[21:21] <lobo235> Has anyone been able to install Opera on a new 8.10 install? I cannot do it using apt-get because it says "E: Package opera has no installation candidate"
[21:21] <joshua1> megatog615:I myself am not using ubuntu, so i can only help in the general way but not concerning the different versions of ubuntu...
[21:21] <wgrant> zerny: You haven't got an xmodmaprc somewhere
[21:21] <wgrant> *?
[21:22] <zerny> wgrant: yes, that is what I am using to remap the keys
[21:22] <wgrant> zerny: Remove it and see what works.
[21:22] <wgrant> I believe it's even in the release notes.
[21:22] <wgrant> Keycodes have changed.
[21:23] <evan__> wgrant: do you know whether the BusId changes when i put the connector in a different slot ( like instead of the dvi slot into the vga )
[21:23] <zerny> wgrant: yes I have noticed some changes, but I believe I would need xmodmap to add special keys as triggers for the Level3 shift
[21:24] <wgrant> evan__: I'd be very surprised if it didn't change when moving bus.
[21:24] <evan__> wgrant: how do i look that up?
[21:24] <evan__> that id
[21:24] <wgrant> zerny: Try without it and see what things map to... and use the GNOME preference, rather than an fdi file.
[21:24] <wgrant> No idea.
[21:24] <megatog615> joshua1: the generic kernel fixes it
[21:24] <megatog615> so the rt kernel has a bug
[21:24] <joshua1> megatog615:so quite a simple thing, isn't it?
[21:25] <wgrant> What is the problem that you're seeing with -rt?
[21:25] <wgrant> It's known not to work properly on SMP machines, for example.
[21:26] <megatog615> and i know the problem
[21:26] <megatog615> rt worked fine on my system before
[21:26] <joshua1> megatog615:but?
[21:26] <zerny> wgrant: I will try it out and come report back if necessary. Will let it lay for today though, as I can hardly see the screen anymore (too tired). Thank you very much for your time and help!
[21:26] <megatog615> rt has config_smp is not set
[21:26] <wgrant> Intrepid -rt is very different, and was hastily put together.
[21:26] <megatog615> while generic has config_smp=y
[21:26] <wgrant> zerny: Great.
[21:27] <wgrant> megatog615: That's because -rt doesn't work properly on SMP now.
[21:27] <evan__> wgrant: how do i look the Right BusId up?
[21:27] <wgrant> evan__: I've no clue. Graphics drivers are evil and I generally keep away from thosee details.
[21:28] <wgrant> All my machines autodetect fine.
[21:28] <evan__> wgrant: you just leave that option away?
[21:28] <evan__> ok
[21:28] <evan__> :)
[21:28] <joshua1> megatog615:so then lots of fun with both of your cores
[21:28] <captainc> i have got to say, conduit is looking really good.
[21:29] <megatog615> well
[21:29] <evan__> wgrant: does it mean that if my ( detected ) ati card always says no signal on the monitor screen?
[21:29] <megatog615> any way i can get an update on when smp will work with the rt kernel?
[21:30] <wgrant> megatog615: The official word is to use the Hardy or perhaps Jaunty kernel.
[21:30]  * wgrant heads off to uni.
[21:33] <evan__> wgrant: how can i set my primairy deveice? because xorg is asking me that alot?
[21:35] <evan__> anyone?
[21:42] <mn> evan__ what primary device?
[21:44] <ruffZ> hi. i'm not getting a correct screen resolution until i manually edit xorg.conf
[21:49] <applecutter> hi, having problems with my iwl4965 after upgarde to intrepid
[21:49] <EnderTheThird> does x.org no longer use modelines if i enter one manually?  i tried one i found online for my Toshiba DLP, but it didn't change the resolution at all
[21:50] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, it works. that's what i had to do on my laptop
[21:51] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  it goes into the monitor section, right?
[21:51] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, just a second. let me open up my xorg.conf file
[21:51] <EnderTheThird> ruffz: can you pastebin your xorg for me, just so i can check?
[21:51] <ubuntu_> what size shoud have the / partition in a new install?
[21:51] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, sure thing
[21:52] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, http://pastebin.ca/1239035
[21:52] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  thanks
[21:53] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, ooops.. sorry ahah.. this is my desktop's configuration
[21:53] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, i'll get the notebook's xorg.conf file
[21:53] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  heh, i was about to ask where the modeline is
[21:53] <applecutter> while using hardy wpa2 connection worked well but after upgrade I don't see my network anymore
[21:56] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, ok there you go http://pastebin.ca/1239039
[21:57] <EnderTheThird> Oh, you just specified resolutions.  I mean something like "ModeLine "1744x984@60" 146.8 1744 1776 2280 2360 984 1004 1014 1034 +hsync +vsync"
[21:58] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, mmm.. well.. i used to have modelines on hardy but then i lost that file after upgrading to intrepid
[21:59] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  I see.
[21:59] <EnderTheThird> I just remember Intrepid is supposed to automate a lot of the manual stuff for X, so I'm not sure if it still takes manual modelines by default or if i need to change something for it to use it
[22:00] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, interestingly, when i tried to use my old xorg.conf file with the modelines thing it just didn't work it was however a bug on the via driver i suppose
[22:00] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  thanks for trying though
[22:00] <ruffZ> it's ok :)
[22:00] <EnderTheThird> anyone else know if i need to do something to convince X to use a modeline in Intrepid?
[22:00] <jean-martin> hello, is the ibex stable enough to be runned on a production machine ?
[22:01] <ruffZ> jean-martin, not really.. u'd better stick to hardy for a while, buddy
[22:01] <jean-martin> ruffZ, the problem is that my hardy messed up with today's update...
[22:01] <ubuntu_> jean-martin: with kde maybe yes.
[22:02] <ruffZ> now that's a problem... :S
[22:02] <EnderTheThird> anyone else able to run xvidtune in Intrepid?  I'm told it can't access the monitor or some such
[22:02] <ubuntu_> jean-martin: then install intrepid rc, look at the live cd first.
[22:03] <jean-martin> ruffZ, the problem : http://pastebin.com/m61bc2a95
[22:07] <jean-martin> ubottu, I'm on gnome... and the update even messed up the former kernel setting
[22:08] <aurel42> Anyone got an idea how to get audio with Java (Web Start) applications without starting them in a VirtualBox running Windows?
[22:08] <SpudUlike> Hi room.  Today's update of Intrepid has borked my system.  I think X is starting all right, I have a cursor and the trackpad moves it, but my Gnome session doesn't start.  Where do I look for reason behind this?
[22:09] <ruffZ> jean-martin, as far as my french goes.. i think i understood you're not being able to use themes as they don't show up properly, is that right?
[22:11] <ruffZ> jean-martin, try using a newly created user and check if everything works ok
[22:11] <EnderTheThird> no dice on modelines eh?  Intrepid seems to be ignoring the one i entered.
[22:22] <amortvigil> how can i checkif my videocard isnt broken?
[22:23] <crimsun> if you're able to use it for display output /at all/, then it's not completely broken
[22:24] <amortvigil> crimsin it never gives a signal on screen... ( its my second screen btw ) but ubuntu does recognize the hardware
[22:25] <crimsun> sorry, but I need to leave to teach class now.
[22:25] <crimsun> I would try isolating it as the primary display
[22:25] <crimsun> if you're attempting to use dualhead/twinview/xinerama/etc., check your configuration
[22:25] <alteregoa> amortvigil
[22:26] <alteregoa> just use windows to check
[22:26] <alteregoa> its ot complicated if weird errors happened
[22:27] <amortvigil> alteregoa: are the windows lives disks??:P
[22:28] <doggymenz> When will nvidia 71, 96, and 173 work on 8.10 ?
[22:28] <alteregoa> yes
[22:28] <alteregoa> baretp
[22:28] <alteregoa> bartpe or something
[22:28] <Tukon> hi all
[22:29] <Tukon> is there any way to prevent all the drawing artifacts when using firefox?
[22:29] <alteregoa> yeah, just polish the wires of the gfx plugs
[22:30] <Tukon> i'm guessing this is more a firefox xul problem than a kubuntu problem then... is that what you're saying?
[22:31] <amortvigil> alteregoa: yeah im downloading it
[22:32] <amortvigil> but those are for windows ppl isnt it?
[22:32] <alteregoa> yeah
[22:33] <amortvigil> alteregoa: can i use wine ?
[22:33] <alteregoa> with bartpe
[22:33] <alteregoa> i think that could work
[22:33] <alteregoa> you just need a windows disc
[22:34] <alteregoa> or a pirated copy
[22:34] <alteregoa> whatever
[22:35] <linuxpoet> o.k. anyone has any idea how to get intrepid to have sound?
[22:35] <linuxpoet> I am running a Dell 1535 Studio
[22:35] <linuxpoet> sound worked wonderfully in hardy
[22:35] <linuxpoet> now it is all gone
[22:36] <megatog615> well
[22:36] <megatog615> what exactly is executing pulseaudio?
[22:36] <Daekdroom> I'm going to stop being lazy and make a bug report about my problem with intrepid.. >.<
[22:36] <Tukon> linuxpoet: i had a possibly similar problem
[22:36] <linuxpoet> What do you mean executing pulseaudio?
[22:36] <linuxpoet> You mean like audacious?
[22:37] <megatog615> no
[22:37] <Tukon> linuxpoet: pcm audio volume was all the way down
[22:37] <megatog615> what causes pulseaudio to start when you log in
[22:37] <Tukon> linuxpoet: check alsamixer
[22:37] <megatog615> because i want to stop that from happening(i hate pa)
[22:38] <linuxpoet> megatog615: I assume : /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio
[22:38] <linuxpoet> Tukon: 100% over master
[22:39] <Tukon> pcm also at 100%? that's my only idea
[22:39] <Tukon> i just started using kubuntu this week
[22:39] <Tukon> lol
[22:39] <tapas> hi, korganizer really likes to crash here
[22:39] <tapas> especially when closing the program
[22:39] <tapas> and the daemon crashes right away
[22:40] <keithclark> Gotta say, Ubuntu 8.10 fail on a stock Compaq R4000 Laptop.  No wireless or graphics card recognition out of the box!  These are old items now that should have been corrected by now.
[22:42] <mneptok> keithclark: correct. by the people that made the wireless and graphics.
[22:43] <mneptok> keithclark: you know, like they did for Windows.
[22:43] <onthefence9281> when 8.10 comes out of beta, should i just do an upgrade? or do a fresh install?
[22:44] <keithclark> mneptok, no problem, just wanted to let everyone know.  ATI X200 has Linux drivers, just do not work out of the box for Ubuntru
[22:46] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: just do an upgrade
[22:46] <mneptok> keithclark: are these free, open source drivers?
[22:46] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: saves you the reconfiguring of the systems to your needs
[22:46] <RyanPrior> What is function call fortification? Google doesn't show anything useful.
[22:46] <onthefence9281> ds[de]: how much carries over?
[22:46] <keithclark> mneptok, I tried both.  Free and proprietary
[22:46] <mneptok> keithclark: does AMD/ATI allow their redistribution and full access to the source code? if not, they will never be in a default installation.
[22:46] <onthefence9281> ds[de]: or is it just a kernal upgrade?
[22:47] <alteregoa> heh how can i made my gadafi mirrors /root ? http://pastebin.com/d6d02d738
[22:47] <mneptok> onthefence9281: "kernel" :)
[22:47] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: I upgraded to 8.10RC a few hours ago and I downloaded approx. 900mb of packages on a clean, up-to-date 8.04
[22:48] <onthefence9281> ok
[22:49] <bsnider> mneptok, they have made documentation available, and pay open source devs, but the main work is being done at novell by luc verhaegen
[22:50] <onthefence9281> i'm thinking about buying some new harddrives for my laptop, is theer any chance that there might be a very easy back-up system that will transfer to 8.10? or do i need to manually get an app list and reinstall eevrything using apt-get?
[22:51] <keithclark> mneptok, no worries....maybe the next distro will work.  Not to mention hibernations.
[22:51] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: are you planning on replacing the disk ubuntu is installed on or just buying some additional HDDsß
[22:51] <onthefence9281> ds[de] i have a two harddrive system
[22:51] <alteregoa> there is no easy to use mirror utility
[22:51] <alteregoa> i need to mirror my system drive asap
[22:52] <onthefence9281> my /home is mostly on /dev/SDA
[22:52] <onthefence9281> and my kernel install in on sdbx
[22:52] <onthefence9281> is on*
[22:52] <onthefence9281> with some parts of /home on sdb1
[22:53] <onthefence9281> it's the result of a semi organic install from when i first tried ubuntu 8.04 from being a windows user
[22:57] <keithclark> Well, this is the fourth installation of Ubuntu that does not work with my video card or my wireless card.  Linux is the underdog and should not expect the large hardware drivers to write for it.  I tried and I've seen nothing really develop.  I think the hardware world is out running the software world when it comes to Linux and it will never catch up.  I have stuff that is two generations old and still do
[22:57] <keithclark> es not work.  Good luck in the future!
[23:01] <onthefence9281> keitheclark: i'm sorry but my ubuntu understood ALL of my laptop's hardware
[23:01] <onthefence9281> including the fingerprint scanner which i didn't expect
[23:01] <apw> keithclark: well those are the two hardest areas, the manufactuers refusing to give out any hardware specs for video hardware, and it being against the law to give out information on wireless cards
[23:01] <apw> you can't blame ubuntu for either
[23:01] <wgrant> Sure he can. People blame as for things that are much less our fault.
[23:04] <Daekdroom> What's the runlevel at the time of the boot where udev is ran?
[23:05] <keithclark> onthefence9281, I think that is great!  My stuff is some of the most common stuff on the market and still not supported properly.  In fact, the X200M even has a driver for Linux and it still does not work.
[23:05] <bsnider> wgrant, you mean like blaming ubuntu for ati/amd's incompetent buffoonery?
[23:05] <wgrant> bsnider: And nvidia's... and other things.
[23:06] <bsnider> nvidia makes the only good graphics driver for linux, so i certainly disagree with that statement
[23:07] <Daekdroom> I thought Intel had the best ones.
[23:07] <mado> oy guys ... hello there ...
[23:07] <mado> i have a problem with kubuntu 8.10rc ... can you help me please? ... thing is ...
[23:08] <mado> i downloaded the cd and installed it ...
[23:08] <marshtomp> hi
[23:08] <outbri> !ask > mado
[23:08] <marshtomp> is there any guarantee that all the issues currently existing with ubuntu 8.10 will be fixed in two days ?!?!?!!
[23:08] <bsnider> intel's driver has no hardware acceleration, although intel graphics chips are so powerless it hardly seems worth the bother
[23:08] <ds[de]> mado, it's easier for us if you ask your question in one piece
[23:08] <wificonfigger> sup y'all, I'm having a problem getting my ndiswrapper wireless card to connect to encrypted networks. Will ibex fix this?
[23:08] <mado> ok ds[de] ...
[23:09] <dug_> marshtomp: they'll keep posting fixes even after 8.10 is released
[23:09] <mado> after the installation ... i started the os and did some things ... for example ... tried to mark a folder ...
[23:09] <mado> this simple task took about a minute!
[23:10] <mado> and i don't know why
[23:10] <mado> so my question now ... how can this be?
[23:10] <mado> is it the hardware i am using?
[23:10] <mado> is there a problem with 8.10rc?
[23:10] <mado> ???
[23:10] <Daekdroom> There are a lot of problems.
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, yes, many problems
[23:11] <mado> ???
[23:11] <mado> pardon?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> So many problems that I can't boot it succesfully >.<
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, they will be fixed though
[23:11] <mado> :)
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, this is a RC
[23:11] <mado> yeah ... but how can this be?
[23:11] <mado> i mean ...
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, Wait a month
[23:11] <Daekdroom> The final release isn't stable, either.
[23:12] <bsnider> there aren't many issues left
[23:12] <Daekdroom> There are.
[23:12] <keithclark> mado, all will be well.  Same happened with 8.04
[23:12] <mado> i installed "8.04" with kde4 some time ago ... it was a test-run ... this went good
[23:12] <Daekdroom> Mostly to blame hardware for now.
[23:12] <mado> so my hardware is the problem?
[23:12] <amortvigil> how can i umount my home partition, so i can schrink it?
[23:13] <mado> or is it a generell hardware-problem?
[23:13] <Daekdroom> Well. Hardware compatibility.
[23:13] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... i see
[23:13] <keithclark> mado, no, your support for your hardware is.  It will eventually be supported.
[23:13] <Daekdroom> There are always a few problems, even after the release.
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> mado: uninstalling scim will probably fix it
[23:13] <mado> ?
[23:13] <mado> pardon me JontheEchidna ?
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> mado: uninstalling the scim package will probably fix your slowness problem
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> or at least, we have had reports of everything running slowly when scim is installed
[23:14] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... i will try that
[23:14] <mado> but not now :)
[23:14] <mado> i am happy with 8.04 at the moment and will try to install 8.10 tomorow ... i have more time then :)
[23:15] <keithclark> Why install 8.10 before it is ready?  It can wait
[23:15] <mado> and erm ... maybe it's just me but ... i am not so good at computer-stuff ... i thought "rc" means "nearly finished and almost "stable" "
[23:15] <bsnider> it's all but finished as is
[23:16] <mn> 8.10 is great!
[23:16] <bsnider> there were what? 6 updates today?
[23:16] <mado> keithclark, one word -> curiousness :)
[23:16] <keithclark> mado, understood.  Same as me!
[23:16] <mado> *laughing a bit*
[23:16] <WelshDragon> curiousity* =P
[23:16] <keithclark> mado, yeah, me too!
[23:16] <mado> :)
[23:17] <mado> WelshDragon, sorry ... english isn't my mother-tongue ... so i thought this would be the right word
[23:17] <keithclark> mado, worked for me.
[23:17] <mado> :)
[23:18] <mado> ok then ... so ... oy! ...
[23:18] <mado> does any one of you know "borland"-compiler?
[23:18] <_ykram> which one
[23:18] <mado> it a compiler for ... c and c++ as far as i know
[23:18] <mado> version 4
[23:18] <_ykram> ow thats old
[23:18] <mado> i don't know _ykram ...
[23:19] <mado> i'm asking because ...
[23:19] <_ykram> used it way back
[23:19] <mado> is there so much difference between this borlad-thing and gnu?
[23:19] <mado> because ... i need a compiler for programming some small stuff
[23:20] <ds[de]> mado: don't you mean gcc? ;)
[23:20] <mado> ds[de], ... yeah ... could be ...
[23:20] <mado> see? ... i'm not so good at computers :)
[23:20] <wgrant> A C compiler should be a C compiler.
[23:20] <wgrant> So it's worth a try.
[23:20] <mado> gcc ... yeah :)
[23:20] <_ykram> i used bcb for programs for work and all can say is quickest way to make a full program
[23:20] <q0r3> hey all.  i'm a little confused about this nvidia binary driver debacle with xorg 7.4.  as far as i can tell, everyone keeps saying it's nvidia's fault.  but they didn't change anything; xorg did.  why aren't people clamoring for xorg to be patched instead?
[23:20] <mado> well ok then but ... which one?
[23:21] <mado> there are so much gcc and g++ in my repository ... for each one there are 4
[23:21] <mado> and i only need one
[23:21] <_ykram> is to use bcb
[23:21] <wgrant> q0r3: Because Xorg needed to break ABI to introduce new functionality.
[23:21] <mado> bcb is also a compiler?
[23:21] <wgrant> q0r3: And every other video driver performed the trivial rebuild needed to get it to work.
[23:21] <ds[de]> mado: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[23:22] <dug_> mado: if you want a C or C++ IDE, you might check out options like anjuta, eclipse cdt, kdevelop, etc.
[23:22] <q0r3> wgrant, that makes it clearer, thanks.  what's abi?
[23:22] <dug_> code::blocks too
[23:22] <mado> dug_, ... i thought about "net beans" or something ... or just kate :)
[23:22] <ds[de]> q0r3: application binary interface
[23:22] <wgrant> q0r3: Application Binary Interface. It's what allows different libraries to talk to each other.
[23:22] <q0r3> +1 for code blocks
[23:22] <wgrant> Code::Blocks is good, but I dislike IDEs.
[23:22] <wgrant> It's the best I've found recently.
[23:23] <mado> build-essential ds[de] ?? why that one?
[23:23] <dug_> mado: i use netbeans, i forgot it does c/c++ too
[23:23] <q0r3> yeah, i use kate myself.  the embedded terminal is great.
[23:23] <mado> :)
[23:23] <mado> no problem dug_
[23:23] <wgrant> mado: That will install the stuff that you need to build basic C(++) programs.
[23:23] <ds[de]> mado: because it installs the tools necessary to compile stuff :o)
[23:23] <mado> :)
[23:23] <_ykram> anyone used the intel compiler ? any good ?
[23:24] <Certh> hi
[23:24] <wificonfigger> wait is ibex beta now, or rc?
[23:24] <Certh> who upgraded to intrepid?
[23:24] <mado> i love you guys and gals :)
[23:24] <wificonfigger> or same thing?
[23:24] <wgrant> wificonfigger: RC.
[23:24] <ds[de]> ^^
[23:24] <wificonfigger> nice nice!
[23:24] <mado> :)
[23:24] <wgrant> Well, more *ridiculously* close to final.
[23:25] <mado> really ... i am not drunk but i really enjoy it more and more being here
[23:25]  * wgrant enjoyed it more a couple of months ago when it was a bit quieter.
[23:25] <mado> wgrant, is it so noisy at the moment?
[23:25] <Certh> i want to couple
[23:27] <mado> well ... erm ... *thinking*
[23:27] <wificonfigger> wait so what nvidia drivers are affected? I think I use either "nvidia" or "nvidia-new" or something like that
[23:27] <q0r3> fglrx
[23:27] <q0r3> as well as the older binary drivers
[23:27] <Certh> people please help me with intrepid which is very buggy
[23:28] <mado> i thought it was called "nvidia-glx(-new)"
[23:28] <wificonfigger> I thought fglrx was for ati
[23:28] <marshtomp> mneptok!!!
[23:28] <mado> Certh, .... why not using 8.04 instead?
[23:28] <Certh> in first 10 minutes with intrepid i found i cant connect the internet, edit texts and shut down computer
[23:28] <mneptok> marshtomp: heya
[23:28] <q0r3> wificonfigger, you're right.  nvidia 71 and 96 series binary drivers don't work.
[23:28] <Certh> mado: i can't rollback now
[23:28] <wgrant> wificonfigger, q0r3: fglrx was fixed a couple of weeks ago. nvidia 71 and nvidia 96 are all that don't work right now.
[23:29] <mado> why is that?
[23:29] <wificonfigger> alright, so I'll be without hardware accelleration for a few days?
[23:29] <mado> you can nearly always go back a step
[23:29] <wgrant> nvidia says that they're working on it.
[23:29] <wgrant> mado: You can't downgrade.
[23:29] <wgrant> We'll hopefully be able to SRU the drivers when they finally appear.
[23:29] <mado> uhuu ... thanks wgrant ... didn't know that
[23:30] <bsnider> aaron plattner seems to think a 96 release is imminent
[23:30] <wificonfigger> so they weren't compatible with the new X.Org?
[23:30] <mado> erm ... my dear guys and gals ... i have to go away from my computer now ... for at least an hour ...
[23:30] <mado> thanks for your time and help
[23:31] <wgrant> wificonfigger: Still aren't, yes.
[23:31] <mado> see you :)
[23:31] <wgrant> Bye mado.
[23:31] <mado> erm ... before i go ...
[23:31] <mado> is it allowed to "/away" in here?
[23:32] <mado> because some channels don't like this
[23:32] <q0r3> #nvidia is silent about the issue
[23:32] <bsnider> silent about what issue?
[23:33] <wgrant> mado: You can go /away, but don't use the scripts that actually say stuff to the channel when it happens.
[23:33] <q0r3> updating the drivers to work with xorg
[23:34] <bsnider> nvidia's forums have recent posts by plattner and others saying they're close to releasing a 96 driver
[23:34] <jtisme> wgrant, what script are u referring to i am unaware of them
[23:35] <q0r3> bsnider, good to know.  wonder what 'close' means...
[23:35] <wgrant> jtisme: Some IRC clients have obnoxious scripts that pollute the channel with "/me is away" and "/me is back (gone HH:MM:SS)"
[23:35] <bsnider> close means probably not finished by intrepid's final release
[23:36] <q0r3> boo-urns.
[23:36] <wgrant> Users of those will have unprecedented torrents of hate sent to them.
[23:36] <jtisme> wgrant, ok thanks
[23:36] <wgrant> Intrepid is so frozen that they probably wouldn't be accepted now, anyway.
[23:36] <Daekdroom> probably? They wouldn't
[23:37] <wgrant> We are still accepting things.
[23:37] <wgrant> Albeit only critical fixes.
[23:37] <wgrant> But I doubt they'll let them in, as it would mean another respin of desktop and alternate CDs.
[23:37] <bsnider> knowledgeable users could still use dkms to install them, or nvidia-installer
[23:37] <wgrant> bsnider: Or click the button in jockey after we SRU things.
[23:37] <wgrant> Only clueless people are likely to use nvidia-installer.
[23:37] <wgrant> It's never a good idea.
[23:38] <Tux007> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[23:39] <Tux007> An now? How do i get it?
[23:39] <wgrant> Medibuntu != Ubuntu
[23:39] <wgrant> You want to ask them about that.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev do not modprobe a module? (blacklist doesn't work, apparently removing it from kernel tree neither)
[23:40] <amortvigil> how do i mount /dev/sda7 in livecd?
[23:40] <wgrant> Blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist works for me.
[23:40]  * wgrant disappears to test some ISOs.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> Is there a plan B, wgrant?
[23:40] <Tux007> I thought thats not important,,, To get a key is the same everywhere... - im noob - sorry
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Hmpf.
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Very evasive.
[23:44] <drog> intrepid still buggy?
[23:44] <bsnider> all software has bugs
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Is that a rethorical question?
[23:49] <WelshDragon> For nvidia cards you have nvidia-settings....Is there an alternative for ATI cards?
[23:50] <bsnider> catalyst control center
[23:50] <WelshDragon> Ahhh tyvm
[23:50] <bsnider> i think the command is "aticonfig" or something
[23:50] <bsnider> i don't use their craptacular junk though
[23:51] <WelshDragon> na netither do I, it's a mates =P Found the package in apt though =)
[23:55] <drog> Daekdroom, really, I haven't tried it yet
[23:56] <Daekdroom> drog: A few bugs. Most of them are related to hardware compatibility.
[23:56] <centaur5> How do you solve conflicting routes with the new network manager?
[23:57] <drog> Daekdroom, how's the general application performance? Getting past the hardware issues, is the system usable?
[23:57] <Daekdroom> drog: Yes
[23:57] <drog> good good