=== nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === nellery_ is now known as nellery === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh [04:27] ouch bug 286175 [04:27] Launchpad bug 286175 in fontconfig "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in FcConfigSubstituteWithPat()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286175 [04:27] read that bug as (fontconfig using program) crashes when fc-cache run === calc changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 8.10 RC released | archive: Release Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175 [06:00] good morning === asac_ is now known as asac [06:56] I'm trying to use the PackageInfo plugin that ubottu uses. I keep getting an error thrown at me and I'm sure it's because of the supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.aptdir setting, but I don't know what to set it too or if there's something else I need to do [06:56] Anybody know wbat I'm doing wrong? [06:57] Good morning [06:57] hi [06:57] pitti: any advice? [06:57] I need to go to sleep soon :P [06:58] I don't know about ubottu's guts, sorry [07:06] How do I get that horrid Landscape ad out of my MOTD? [07:08] wgrant: it's from /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo [07:09] pitti: Ah, thanks... is it really meant to tell me to go there even when my machine has no Landscape account? [07:09] wgrant: well, it's from landscape-common, the sysinfo component [07:10] (which works without a landscape account) [07:10] I know. [07:10] But it tells me to go to landscape.c.c to manage it. [07:10] Which is wrong, unless I want to pay large amounts of cash. [07:20] morning [07:20] morning [08:03] * Hobbsee waves, from the land of wet string [08:03] Hobbsee: There's a land of wet string? [08:04] soren: yeah. My uni connection [08:04] soren: well, apart from 'australia' in general [08:04] Hobbsee: Oh. Heh :) [08:04] soren: :) [08:05] It's not so much that the string is wet : it's the small rubber bands used to patch the places where the string broke. [08:05] and the carrier pidgeons. [08:05] they are wet ? [08:06] wet carrier pidgeons aren't an issue from being wet, but they will get delayed if they can find a dry place to hide for a few hours. [08:06] yeah... [08:06] * Hobbsee eyes 33 second lag with distaste. [08:06] but i imagine they fly a lot slower if wet ... at least our european carrier pidgeons do ... [08:07] THe problem is that our string is getting a bit dry due to the drought. [08:07] ogra, Clearly you need the intense competition for resources with marsupial flying bats to breed the best sort of pidgeon. [08:08] * Hobbsee giggles [08:08] well, bats come with raincoats by design ... thats why there are so many more than pidgeons don under i guess [08:09] *down [08:09] It helps that bats hang upside down, so they have fewer problems down here. [08:10] yeah, they have a good sense of direction === ara_ is now known as ara === persia_ is now known as persia === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:14] YokoZar: Please file a bug and attach /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman [09:15] evand: didn't get no /var/log because it was from the live CD session...I should retest with a daily [09:16] evand: but I'll try and reproduce again. Seems serious. [09:18] YokoZar: I'm confused by that statement. Why would it being run from the live CD session not produce /var/log? [09:19] probably means he didn't save the /var/log [09:23] I understand acpi-support is now deprecated. I've got a laptop here whose wireless doesn't come back after resume so where should I put the runes to re-enable it? [09:24] sorry wrong channel === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow [09:40] slangasek: are you respinning the -server isos? [09:40] soren: ^^ [09:41] mathiaz: we're doing a full respin because of ubuntu-minimal changes; the open-iscsi thing is still semi-pending, I'm deferring ubuntu-server reroll until that's settled [09:42] slangasek: What's holding back a decision on open-iscsi? [09:42] soren: my abject horror at accepting a 20kloc diff two days before release [09:43] with only minimal regression-testing on Ubuntu, none whatsoever on Debian because the Debian package was botched, and who knows what from upstream given that this is a "development release" version [09:43] soren: so I've been biding my time hoping someone has a better idea :) [09:44] no hope of a cherry-pick? [09:45] cjwatson: the cherry-pick is minimum 2kloc, and depends on other patches in the git tree [09:45] oh, ok, read the mail now [09:45] so I would say no [09:46] was I copied on this e-mail? [09:48] no, I can bounce it to you [09:49] bounced [09:49] Thank you. [09:50] I'm not sure shipping with a well-tested userland that just doesn't match the kernel side of things (and officially breaks things) is better than shipping potentially broken code. [09:51] Koon: well - in the former we at least know what's broken. [09:52] mathiaz: I am not sure we know the exact extents of the breakage, though. [09:52] we know what still works. [09:54] Koon: yeah, that's why the choice is horrible [09:55] cjwatson: yes, and I lack the release experience (and accompanying horror stories) to be of any good advice here :) [09:57] it doesn't help much here [09:57] we're still basically flipping a coin [10:07] mvo: bug 288662, comments 7 and 8 are interesting; maybe we should improve the u-m message about the nvidia->nv migration to point out what won't work any more? [10:07] Launchpad bug 288662 in jockey "Incompatible Restricted drivers offered for Legacy Nvidia Cards" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288662 [10:07] mvo: we could do that in an SRU, since it only affects upgrades [10:07] on iSCSI, I think I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to spend time making sure we've fixed the problem properly (since every time we look we seem to find another problem) and SRU that, and also release-note it for upgraders [10:08] but this is a vote not a veto [10:08] pitti: let me have a look [10:08] Koon: cjwatson: bug 236640 <- this is another bug that impacts the installer run in iscsi mode [10:08] Launchpad bug 236640 in open-iscsi "iSCSI install fails under hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236640 [10:08] cjwatson: oh, have there been a series of problems with iscsi? [10:09] slangasek: boot order busted; multiple targets; and I think something else [10:09] ah [10:10] pitti, mvo: multiple screens layouts will be lost too. Clone mode should still work with nv though [10:10] mathiaz: though not a regression [10:12] mdz: did you have thoughts on the iscsi update question? [10:13] pitti: I answered in the bug [10:14] mvo: how may translations do we actually have? [10:18] pitti: few it seems, some chinese ones, but that seems to be it (from looking at the po files, I have not checked rosetta directly) [10:18] cjwatson: hmm, I had been thinking iSCSI featured prominently in the technical overview for intrepid to date, but I guess I was thinking of the entry in the release notes... so it's not omgkittens terrible if iSCSI support at 8.10 release time is not as good as 8.04's, if we release-note the issues [10:19] I don't know if iSCSI users are likely to stick with the LTS anyway? [10:20] slangasek: right - moreover considering that iscsi support in the installer is not working (and this is not a regression) I don't see a compelling reason to push it into release [10:21] * slangasek nods [10:21] slangasek: seems that an SRU and a note in the release notes is good enough. [10:22] ok [10:23] that's settled, then; I'll queue up ubuntu-server for rebuilding with the rest of the bunch [10:47] slangasek: yes, I had the same misrecollection about our comms === thekorn is now known as hoffenheim === hoffenheim is now known as thekorn [10:54] slangasek: I've updated bug 289470 by adding a task for ubuntu-release-notes [10:54] Launchpad bug 289470 in open-iscsi "open-iscsi user-space does not match kernel module version" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289470 [10:54] mathiaz: great, thanks [10:55] slangasek: is there anything that needs to be done? [10:55] mathiaz: uh... ISOs need to be tested? :-) [10:55] or did you mean "anything" in the context of that bug? :) [10:55] slangasek: yes - in the context of that bug [10:55] slangasek: I'm not planning to head out to the bahamas (yet) [10:56] if you wanted to draft the release notes text, that would certainly be appreciated [10:56] /c/c [10:57] slangasek: you appear to have the lock right now on the IntrepidReleaseNotes page, is that still current? [10:57] yes, it is [10:57] mvo: drop the text in the bug instead and I can pick it up from there? [10:57] slangasek: ok, will do - thanks [11:02] slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/259385/comments/32 [11:02] Ubuntu bug 259385 in Ubuntu Intrepid "Intrepid Compiz hangs on login for i830MG and i845 video cards" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs lists 290024, even though that is milestoned for intrepid-updates, not intrepid; is that the way it should be? [11:06] liw: That just shows bugs targetted to Intrepid. [11:06] Targetting is orthogonal to milestoning. [11:07] then I admit I am lost in Launchpad. never mind, I'll figure it out when release pressure is over [11:07] liw: what wgrant said; the milestone name is "ubuntu-8.10" rather than "intrepid", and the list of critical bugs for that milestone shows up at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1326 [11:08] that list is empty [11:08] I'd hope so. [11:08] (the list of /non/-critical bugs for that milestone shows up at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.10, which is a nicer url but much less useful to the release team :) [11:09] liw: yes, and that's a great feeling :-) [11:09] slangasek, ok, so is there something I can do to help the release? [11:10] Test test test! [11:10] liw: yes, we're in the "test to make sure we really didn't miss any critical bugs and the CDs hold together" phase [11:10] test what? ISOs? upgrade my laptop to intrepid? test things randomly? [11:11] * liw is inquisitive [11:11] anything that's live on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all [11:11] * wgrant would recommend DVDs, if you have bandwidth. [11:11] They always need more testing. [11:19] wasabi: hey! re bug #288432 - does it work if you remove xorg.conf entirely? is it a problem with the new xorg.conf, does the old one work (if you rename the copy it made)? [11:19] Launchpad bug 288432 in xorg "upgrade to intrepid caused boot to console with nvidia card" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288432 [11:21] * Hobbsee fries all the spam discarded from the ubuntu-devel@ moderation queue [11:21] breakfast, anyone? [11:22] Hobbsee: Oh, there too? The motu lists got hit as well :( [11:22] soren: going through it right now [11:22] [1/514] ============ ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com ====================== [11:22] dholbach: Actually, then there's that many, I'd use the web interface. [11:23] dholbach: you win. [11:23] dholbach: It has a checkbox at the bottom to discard everything. [11:23] soren: it usually gets hit - maybe it just wasn't unmoderated for a while [11:23] dholbach: Correction: To discard everything that you haven't explicitly accepted or something. [11:23] soren: at least for u-d@, most of it gets knocked off by some basic rules [11:23] soren: so it only takes a few minutes [11:24] which is a huge help! [11:24] soren: woohoo, you're right [11:24] I didn't use the moderation pages in a long time :) [11:25] dholbach: Me neither, since your told me about listadmin. :) But for this amount of stuff to be discarded in one go, it's actually faster. [11:25] yeah [11:26] Hobbsee: I think that's true for the motu lists as well. Either that, or dholbach is some kind of ninja that moderates things as fast as I receive mail from mailman about them needing moderation. [11:27] hehe [11:27] well, we knew dholbach was a ninja [11:28] thanks for the flowers :) [11:32] Hobbsee, I've seen dholbach, so how can he be a ninja? [11:33] liw: did you see me in my black ninja dress already? [11:33] dholbach, no, I only saw an empty chair [11:35] perhaps that's all the proof we need of ninjaness [11:50] hi, mako. is your book 'debian bible' free? I mean, if I find some pdf on the internet, is it legal? [12:38] soren: what does kvm: 28429: cpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0x417 mean? :) [12:39] *** We have a selection of freshly baked ISO images from this morning at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ Please help test! *** [12:42] dholbach: that the guest tried to read Machine Specific Register 0x417, but that that case is not handled? ;) [12:44] weird, my kvm machine appears to have locked up [12:49] Keybuk: I've been experiencing quite a few kvm guest lockups recently. [12:49] I had trouble so far determining a pattern. [12:50] Keybuk: I had a lockup with my laptop that looked just like the ipw2200 iwl3495 bug we all looked at-- but just the one since the new kernel (I booted it 82 times with no lockups) :/ [12:51] only thing different was I was on battery power at the time, and my 82 boots were all on AC [12:51] * mvo had kvm lockups as well, but only in gui mode, never in headless mode [12:51] 82 times ? wow, thats two fscks at least [12:51] dholbach: Unless I'm mistaken it means one of my patches has been dropped :( [12:51] ogra: 3-- I never bothered to change the defaults [13:13] pitti: I can't reproduce the treeview bug with jockey-kde [13:13] pitti: I know how to fix this bug though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/227658 [13:13] Ubuntu bug 227658 in jockey "Jockey fails to enable Virtual Box display driver" [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:25] pitti: I'll have to write a handler for virtualbox guest utils so that the Device and InputDevice sections are configured by jockey === fabbione is now known as char_buffer === char_buffer is now known as fabbione [13:45] NCommander: you seen this one LP: #278801 [13:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ps3-port/+bug/278801 [13:45] Ubuntu bug 278801 in linux-ports "2.6.27 default TCP congestion control regression..." [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:46] tseliot: treeview> good to know, thanks for checking [13:46] tseliot: I'll fix the gtk bit [13:46] tseliot: virtualbox handler would be awesome indeed [13:46] NCommander: ports got missed does you're new 2.6.27 kernel have the correct setting? [13:47] munckfish, we can do a SRU to fix the ports tree [13:48] munckfish, ATM, intrepid-proposed/intrepid-updates isn't open yet, so it will have to wait for that [13:49] NCommander: sure [13:51] munckfish, fix committed to jaunty [13:52] NCommander: cool thx [13:53] NCommander: I'll deal with the old one. I've a few other things I need to negotiate with the KT about releasing [13:53] "old one" ---> "Intrepid Ports" [13:53] right [13:58] soren: hi, is the mouse move being laggy in virt-manager a known issue? it works correctly in kvm though [13:59] pitti:ok, I'll work on it then ;) [13:59] seb128: It's not something I've noticed, but I don't really test gui stuff in kvm much. [14:02] hi [14:02] hello ;0- [14:02] does anybody ever encountered "undefined symbol" problem while running an application ? [14:03] yeah it happens..;) [14:03] RaffoPazzo: wrong channel [14:03] it's a developing channel, i think that someone could help me [14:04] RaffoPazzo: wrong channel [14:04] which channel should i go in ? [14:04] RaffoPazzo, typically not unless its blender related..not that someone would mind but usuallly such things are asked of the channel specifically for that application ;) [14:04] what is the app [14:04] my own developed application [14:05] for an embedded ARM linux system [14:05] what language [14:05] C [14:05] then : #c [14:05] i have some sort of problem with static linking [14:06] well [14:06] thanks anyway [14:06] bye [14:10] * Chipzz proposes a nag screen in xchat on startup and on joining a channel that instructs people to read the bloody topic :P [14:10] preferably with a non-obvious way of turning it of :P [14:11] Chipzz, that'll only work if xchat forces people to type (not copy+paste) the topic into the program... [14:12] liw: I'm guessing people (especially newbies) don't even notice the topic [14:12] drawing attention to the fact that irc channels *have* topics and that those topics are *relevant* to the channel would go a long way === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [15:20] hi all, does anyone know why if I use the "sudo fence_tool dump" command, after it's complete, the CPU usage go up to 100% and stay there? And fenced is the process using the CPU === ma10 is now known as Guest52925 [15:22] using the redhat-cluster-suite package === ma101 is now known as ma10 === klac is now known as lacqui === lieb is now known as lieb_ === lieb_ is now known as lieb_commute [16:17] what's the fancy new Intrepid replacement for xmodmaps? [16:17] (usecase: key swapping) [16:30] jdong: what's wrong with xmodmap? [16:32] I’m using xmodmap on intrepid. [16:33] can anyone familiar with fontconfig look at bug 286175 [16:34] Launchpad bug 286175 in fontconfig "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in FcConfigSubstituteWithPat()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286175 [16:34] * calc thinks this one will bite us right after release [16:35] Keybuk: on unplugging and replugging the input device, the mapping is lost [16:36] sure, because you need to run xmodmap again [16:36] why doesnt udev do that for keyboards ? [16:36] Keybuk: what's the best way to discover when this happens and run xmodmap automatically? [16:36] ogra: udev doesn't do anything in this regard, and it should not [16:37] jdong: what are you changing with xmodmap? [16:37] why not ? (beyond the fact that xmodmap is a workaround tool) [16:37] Keybuk: alt<->super [16:38] ogra: well, for a start, xmodmap needs authorisation for a list of X sessions it needs to touch? [16:38] jdong: isn't that a standard variant option? [16:38] hmm, right ... to high level [16:38] Keybuk: is it! [16:38] System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Other Options -> Alt/Win key behaviour [16:38] Keybuk: you rock. [16:39] jwendell: ping [16:39] federico1, pong [16:39] jwendell: hey there! [16:39] federico1, hello! [16:39] jwendell: I'm looking into gtk-vnc for an Important Customer(tm) bug [16:39] hehe [16:40] jdong: your variant might not be there, of course [16:41] hi [16:41] ogra: the "correct" way would be for whatever is currently applying xkb options (gnome-settings-daemon I think?) to do it [16:41] bryce: you almost have xorg into green status :) [16:41] Keybuk, yeah, indeed [16:41] federico1, you might want to join #virt at oftc [16:41] gtk-vnc devs are there ;) [16:41] calc, on which? [16:42] i thought hal ... but hal wont be picked up by X ... it could only trigger something even higher level ... g-s-d seems the right place [16:42] ogra: though I'd argue that xmodmap is a horrible interface - and that something much better could be dreamed up [16:42] ++ [16:42] jwendell: oftc? [16:43] hal can do that already through .fdi files though ... but sadly not very dynamic if the X server is up once [16:43] federico1, irc.oftc.net [16:43] jwendell: ah, ok, thanks [16:43] The Open and Free Technology Community [16:44] ogra: that's a fallback though [16:44] the actual way your keyboard layout is selected is by gnome-settings-daemon === lieb_commute is now known as lieb [16:44] which speaks xkb [16:44] right, but you can modify xkb via .fdi [16:45] bryce: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport [16:45] bryce: > 90% turns it green, you are at exactly 90% right now :) [16:45] ogra: but you shouldn't [16:45] calc, heh right on the edge [16:45] if you want it to catch a low level .fdi is a way to do it if you want it user configurable g-s-d is it [16:45] besides, I'm being told that .fdi files are going away any day now [16:46] bryce: that page is generated realtime so any changes you make are visible immediately [16:46] in devicekit :) [16:46] Keybuk: conversion to udev rules for DeviceKit? [16:46] devicekit doesn't do fdi [16:46] we still use hal all over the place [16:46] which sucks [16:46] but is the current tool [16:46] actually, I really don't like the fact that devicekit throws away the nice structured HAL keys [16:46] HAL has strings, integers, arrays, structures [16:46] all DeviceKit has is FOO=BAR [16:46] yeah [16:47] I think we should throw it all away [16:47] heh [16:47] and reimplement udev, HAL, DeviceKit, PolicyKit and ConsoleKit [16:47] do it in kernel ? [16:47] we could call it [16:47] DeviceCore! [16:48] hehe [16:48] Keybuk: we could call it "Linux 3.0"? [16:49] calc, ok fixed [16:50] pitti: Linux X! [16:51] calc, the proportion of green on that page overall is pretty impressive [16:51] do we get cool animal names too? [16:51] calc, although a lot have <5 bugs upstreamed. [16:53] hello, does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ contain the final release, barring any unforseen catastrophic issues? [16:53] ogra: dbus will actually move into the kernel (no kidding) [16:53] I want to be a prospective ubuntu developer, found myself a bug and have a problem with dget tool. Am I asking for help on a proper chanell? [16:53] pitti, i know [16:54] pitti, i'm evngelizing that topic since prague ;) [16:56] bryce: yea, i think it should be green based on all parts not just upstreamed vs pending_upstream [16:58] TomaszD_: always :) [16:58] TomaszD_: its just that most of the time there will be updates ;-) [16:58] TomaszD_: just use rsync to update and it won't take much to get the final version if it does change [16:58] TomaszD_: the last rsync update i did only downloaded 4MB to update my iso [17:01] lobo-ptr: #ubuntu-motu would be more appropriate [17:01] cjwatson: how does the url you sent in the email differ from: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.10 ? [17:01] well other than the fact that LP now oopes on it [17:01] sistpoty|work, thanks [17:02] cjwatson: the reason i am asking is that LP seems to not show milestoned bugs at times, especially ones for openoffice.org unless i go to the overall Ubuntu milestone list [17:02] cjwatson: eg i do a search for OOo milestoned bugs and it shows nothing at all for me [17:03] * calc 's wife just told him he headed to lunch, bbia 1hr [17:07] highvoltage, there is something wrong with #ubuntu..I can get connect to any other channel, but #ubuntu is sending my xchat cliento south of the border ;)....any one know maybe whats up ? ;)) [17:21] kirkland: just set up my new laptop installation with ecryptfs; works nicely [17:21] kirkland: I symlinked .mozilla, .ssh, and .gnupg into Private/ [17:22] pitti: very nice, good to hear ;-) [17:24] pitti: can I reassign the nautilus and private directory interaction bugs to you now? ;-) [17:25] * seb128 has no such setup and no interest in working on that [17:25] seb128: I now get a Private mount icon and Private directory on my desktop, but I guess I have to live with that [17:25] seb128: what kind of trouble does it give, nautilus-wise? [17:26] pitti: a mount icon which is not working apparently [17:26] or rather than you can't unmount [17:26] hm, I can open either [17:26] (the dir or the mount icon) [17:26] seb128: oh, unmount; I don't think you are supposed to [17:26] the dir open works fine for me [17:26] right, the complain are about the dir being listed as a mount where it's not one [17:26] but I'd actually prefer if I wouldn't see the mount icon at all [17:26] well, it is a mount [17:26] pitti: for unmount, the unmount action on that icon needs to be pointed to /sbin/umount.ecryptfs_private [17:27] so it's listed in the places list, etc [17:27] filesystem of type -t ecryptfs could be excluded from that list, no? [17:27] i think that might be the easiest thing [17:27] right, I'd rather special-case this kind of fs from being displayed in nautilus [17:27] blacklist ecryptfs filesystem types [17:27] seb128: feel free to assign that bug to me, yes [17:27] pitti: thanks ;-) [17:28] pitti: do you think just not listing those mounts is the easier way? [17:28] because if we want to do that that's a trivial glib change [17:29] seb128: well, I'm trying to think what the best way would be experience-wise [17:29] the other way is to teach gnome-mount to work correctly on those [17:29] and since users can't mount/umount ecryptfs directories ATM, there is little point in showing them [17:29] I'm not sure if that should be showed as normal directory to the user [17:29] just using the Private directory seems much more straightforward [17:29] or rather as a mount [17:30] personally I'd favor the directory [17:30] sure, it's a "magic" one, but that it is a mount is purely an implementation detail [17:30] at least having two is pointless, I should have either the dir or the mount [17:31] right [17:31] I think I know what to change to glib to ignore those, will give it a try after intrepid [17:31] * pitti -> dinner, bbl [17:31] enjoy! [17:31] seb128: yeah, should be a simple mount type filter [17:33] slangasek: is "enscript" on any of the CDs? [17:34] kirkland: I added ~/Private today too and I'm a happy user of it \o/ [17:34] mvo: awesome ;-) glad to hear [17:34] * kirkland far prefers happy users to gripey users [17:34] * kees still wishes there was a simple way he could answer the "is it on a CD?" question for himself. [17:40] pitti: hi! do you happen to have visibility into which packages end up on the various CDs? === jono_ is now known as jono [17:43] kees: yes, that's not a secret; the lists are right beside the .iso files, in .manifest (desktops) and .list (alternates) [17:43] kees: to be precise, .list is the CD contents, while .manifest is the contents of a livefs [17:45] Keybuk: hm, seems my SD card reader stopped working entirely in intrepid; even booting with a card inside doesn't help any more; does your's work? [17:47] pitti: ah! okay [17:48] kees: some clever combination of wget and grep can probably make this easy [17:48] pitti: wait, this is a file list, not a package list? [17:48] kees: no, a package list [17:48] I'm not aware of file lists [17:49] pitti: ah! sorry, I see now -- all the html early in the list tricked me. :) [17:53] pitti: err, haven't tried recently [17:54] mine worked on saturday [17:54] pitti: it worked relatively recently [17:55] and does so today as well, mounts both partitions [17:58] if I have a security update for a package that doesn't appear on the CDs, can I upload it? [18:14] * calc back [18:15] cjwatson: ping [18:16] calc: Launchpad supports two nearly-though-not-quite-independent pieces of information on bugs: release target (hardy, intrepid, etc.) and milestone (intrepid-alpha-1, ubuntu-8.10-beta, ubuntu-8.10, intrepid-updates, etc.) [18:16] ah ok [18:16] calc: the URL you quote above only looks at the milestone; the URL I sent looks at both [18:17] calc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting is supposed to explain when to use each of those [18:17] cjwatson: bug 286175 might should be RC targeted [18:17] Launchpad bug 286175 in fontconfig "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in FcConfigSubstituteWithPat()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286175 [18:17] cjwatson: it also crashes OOo (or a very similar issue in the same function does) [18:18] calc: I mentioned it on #ubuntu-release earlier, but nobody bit [18:18] oh ok [18:18] calc: I do distinctly remember showing you RCBugTargetting in a foundations team meeting a few weeks ago :) [18:18] cjwatson: sorry i must have forgotten :( [18:19] cjwatson: i guess i thought it was a bug since i see a somewhat similar (but real bug i think) with openoffice.org bug listings [18:19] er a bug wrt displaying the bugs on LP [18:19] basically, the state that bug is in indicates that a developer would like to fix it for that milestone, but it isn't RC [18:19] cjwatson: for openoffice.org if i try to list all bugs relating to a milestone it shows nothing [18:19] calc: is there a candidate fix for that bug? if not, it has no hope [18:20] calc: even if it does, it has almost no hope; we have already rolled images that we hope are final, and uploading fontconfig would require rerolling almost everything [18:20] cjwatson: i haven't looked bisected yet to see if it was a bug we introduced or an upstream bug [18:20] calc: it seems more plausible to fix that in an SRU [18:20] cjwatson: ok [18:20] calc: which, from the description, seems pretty sensible [18:20] anyone updating while running OOo (maybe evince? and others) will see the apps crash when fc-cache is run [18:20] calc: I agree it's a serious problem as described, and have targeted it to intrepid and moved the milestone to intrepid-updates [18:21] but hopefully apport can group the bugs together quickly :) [18:21] i agree i doubt a resolution can even be found in time much less the rerolling of the images [18:21] calc: if you can confirm the problem definitively, then please use "also affects project" to add a task on ubuntu-release-notes, perhaps suggesting some task we can add there [18:22] calc: maybe it's enough to say that people should close applications before upgrading, e.g. [18:22] there was a change from 2.5.0 to 2.6.0 in intrepid which might have caused it [18:22] cjwatson: yea telling them close apps before upgrading will help a lot of with crash bug reports [18:22] i'll try grabbing the old release of fontconfig and see if it still crashes === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [18:30] hmm i don't see reference to this bug upstream so far, i'll test 2.5 from hardy and see if it still crashes though [18:32] calc: can you trigger the bug in a reliable way? in which case you should probably open an upstream bug [18:32] if you can't opening the bug upstream might still be a good idea [18:33] seb128: i need to try to trigget it with other apps, i can easily reproduce it with our openoffice.org packages [18:34] seb128: someone else got a similar (not certain if the same) crash with evince [18:34] there is quite some evince crashes too [18:34] well i mean a crash in the same fontconfig function [18:35] all you have to do to see the OOo crash is move a font out of the way, run fc-cache and boom [18:35] or add a font, run fc-cache and boom [18:35] basically anytime the cache changes i guess [18:35] Keybuk: lsusb says "0b97:7762 O2 Micro, Inc. Oz776 SmartCard Reader"; I guess your d420 has a similar one? [18:38] identical [18:38]