| popey | ogra: don't suppose you know how to switch _off_ the "maximise all windows and have no decorations" feature of ubuntu mobile do you? | 00:29 |
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| superm1 | Hi folks, i Had a question regarding ubuntu-mobile. Is there a particular reason that the "dark" look was chosen and deviates from standard Ubuntu look? | 01:26 |
| persia | superm1, No special reason : mostly to make it look different. There are a couple theme tweaks, but nothing that couldn't be applied to a different theme. | 02:27 |
| persia | popey, It's a gconf key : I believe it's in /desktop/ somewhere. I can hunt it down later if you don't find it easily. | 02:28 |
| superm1 | persia, so i take it enough apps look well in the dark theme to make it justifiable then? i had assumed that was the reason that standard didn't go dark in the end | 02:28 |
| persia | At least the basic apps in the image displayed reasonably. I think there was significantly less testing and review than for Ubuntu Desktop, so it may be that some things are unsuitable. | 02:29 |
| persia | For the most part, a dark theme can work fairly well, at least from listening to reports from Ubuntu Studio users, although it may not work as well for *everything*, and Ubuntu Desktop has a much wider userbase than anything else. | 02:30 |
| superm1 | well for what it's worth, the devices i was mentioning the other day are 1024x600, so those teams will be giving it a look | 02:30 |
| superm1 | but if anywhere that's the resistance that i'd suspect | 02:30 |
| persia | You might do a diff between NewHuman and NewHumanMobile. I suspect the same changes would work simply if applied against Human rather than NewHuman. | 02:31 |
| superm1 | well the ideal solution will be not having to make any changes :), so i'll just hold off offering that as a suggestion for now to them | 02:32 |
| persia | Yeah, it's just that with the archive frozen, no changes or updates are being published. | 02:35 |
| persia | And when SRUs start (Thursday or Friday I think), putting in a new theme package would be tricky. | 02:35 |
| superm1 | well odds are if the only complaint is theming, it will be a factory only change | 02:36 |
| superm1 | but in planning for jaunty, i was mostly curious for if there was a big driving reason behind it | 02:36 |
| persia | It looked nice? | 02:38 |
| persia | Really, it's more a collection of input by various interested parties, rather than any specific guided product : the goal is to make something that is interesting and useful for the people that use it. | 02:39 |
| superm1 | well i'll pass on any feedback that I get after they look at it. it will be a little bit until i get it likely though given their current schedule | 02:41 |
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| popey | persia: thanks, I'll have a rummage | 10:34 |
| ogra | popey, not a gconf key | 10:36 |
| ogra | go to system->preferences->sessions, uncheck devilspie ... re-login | 10:36 |
| persia | ogra, devilspie doesn't store that stuff in gconf? | 10:38 |
| ogra | nope | 10:38 |
| popey | perfect | 10:38 |
| ogra | it uses a config file | 10:38 |
| popey | thanks ogra | 10:38 |
| popey | I "converted" my ubuntu mobile install on the e900 to an ubuntu desktop install | 10:38 |
| persia | popey, My apologies for the misdirection. | 10:38 |
| ogra | it has its own markup language to do anything you want with a WM window | 10:39 |
| popey | no worries persia - I hadn't got as far as gconf anyway :) | 10:39 |
| persia | popey, Screen too big for all-maximised-all-the-time ? | 10:39 |
| popey | it's only a 9" screen, but I prefer gnomey stuff | 10:39 |
| ogra | apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-mobile-default-settings ;) | 10:39 |
| persia | It is all gnomey stuff, but with gconf fiddling :) | 10:40 |
| ogra | kill your user .gconf dir and you should mainly have a default ubuntu desktop | 10:40 |
| popey | if I had a touch screen mini thing then yes, I'd probably go ubuntu mobile but as the eee 900 is kinda a "proper" big boys computer, i prefer a gnome desktop | 10:40 |
| persia | popey, You *really* want to purge the default-settings package then : that does all the gconf magic to make it look different. | 10:40 |
| popey | i have manually tweaked everything, turning it into a real web book - removing most of the local apps | 10:40 |
| popey | yeah, that went early on :) | 10:41 |
| popey | sorry chaps, don't mean to distract you from important release type stuff with my eee tales :) | 10:41 |
| ogra | hmm, the devilspie config should have gone with uninstalling ubuntu-mobile-default-settings | 10:41 |
| persia | At this point, we're just testing images, so not a problem. It's always good to hear from users. | 10:41 |
| ogra | so you shouldnt have any maximized undecorated windows anymore | 10:41 |
| persia | popey, You might want to just purge devilspie. | 10:41 |
| popey | yes, ubuntu-mobile-default-settings is definitely already removed, but devilspie remained | 10:42 |
| ogra | well, devilspie shouldnt sart without a config file ... and that config sits in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings | 10:42 |
| ogra | so i wonder whats going on there | 10:42 |
| ogra | i guess you didnt purge :) | 10:43 |
| popey | yes, status is rc | 10:43 |
| ogra | so the configs stay in place | 10:43 |
| popey | well spotted | 10:43 |
| ian_brasil | ogra: i tracked down the expensive GTKDrawing call in the NewHumanMobile theme to it setting rgba to TRUE in the murrine engine. | 10:44 |
| ogra | apt-get remove --purge cellwriter devilspie xautomation xserver-xorg-input-evtounch netbook-launcher ... | 10:44 |
| ogra | then all mobile specific pieces should be gone | 10:44 |
| ogra | ian_brasil, ah, might be worth an SRU, though i have to check how the look changes | 10:44 |
| ian_brasil | setting this to FALSE brins it back in line with the others...you loose opacity but i mthink it looks ok | 10:45 |
| ogra | s/opacity/transparency/ * | 10:46 |
| ogra | ? | 10:46 |
| ian_brasil | yes right transparency...rgba calls it opacity for some reason | 10:46 |
| ian_brasil | what is SRU? | 10:49 |
| ogra | stable release update :) | 10:51 |
| ogra | post release change through an update ... we cant change the image contants anymore | 10:52 |
| ogra | *contents | 10:52 |
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