[00:29] <popey> ogra: don't suppose you know how to switch _off_ the "maximise all windows and have no decorations" feature of ubuntu mobile do you?
[01:26] <superm1> Hi folks, i Had a question regarding ubuntu-mobile.  Is there a particular reason that the "dark" look was chosen and deviates from standard Ubuntu look?
[02:27] <persia> superm1, No special reason : mostly to make it look different.  There are a couple theme tweaks, but nothing that couldn't be applied to a different theme.
[02:28] <persia> popey, It's a gconf key : I believe it's in /desktop/ somewhere.  I can hunt it down later if you don't find it easily.
[02:28] <superm1> persia, so i take it enough apps look well in the dark theme to make it justifiable then?  i had assumed that was the reason that standard didn't go dark in the end
[02:29] <persia> At least the basic apps in the image displayed reasonably.  I think there was significantly less testing and review than for Ubuntu Desktop, so it may be that some things are unsuitable.
[02:30] <persia> For the most part, a dark theme can work fairly well, at least from listening to reports from Ubuntu Studio users, although it may not work as well for *everything*, and Ubuntu Desktop has a much wider userbase than anything else.
[02:30] <superm1> well for what it's worth, the devices i was mentioning the other day are 1024x600, so those teams will be giving it a look
[02:30] <superm1> but if anywhere that's the resistance that i'd suspect
[02:31] <persia> You might do a diff between NewHuman and NewHumanMobile.  I suspect the same changes would work simply if applied against Human rather than NewHuman.
[02:32] <superm1> well the ideal solution will be not having to make any changes :), so i'll just hold off offering that as a suggestion for now to them
[02:35] <persia> Yeah, it's just that with the archive frozen, no changes or updates are being published.
[02:35] <persia> And when SRUs start (Thursday or Friday I think), putting in a new theme package would be tricky.
[02:36] <superm1> well odds are if the only complaint is theming, it will be a factory only change
[02:36] <superm1> but in planning for jaunty, i was mostly curious for if there was a big driving reason behind it 
[02:38] <persia> It looked nice?
[02:39] <persia> Really, it's more a collection of input by various interested parties, rather than any specific guided product : the goal is to make something that is interesting and useful for the people that use it.
[02:41] <superm1> well i'll pass on any feedback that I get after they look at it.  it will be a little bit until i get it likely though given their current schedule
[10:34] <popey> persia: thanks, I'll have a rummage
[10:36] <ogra> popey, not a gconf key
[10:36] <ogra> go to system->preferences->sessions, uncheck devilspie ... re-login
[10:38] <persia> ogra, devilspie doesn't store that stuff in gconf?
[10:38] <ogra> nope
[10:38] <popey> perfect
[10:38] <ogra> it uses a config file 
[10:38] <popey> thanks ogra 
[10:38] <popey> I "converted" my ubuntu mobile install on the e900 to an ubuntu desktop install
[10:38] <persia> popey, My apologies for the misdirection.
[10:39] <ogra> it has its own markup language to do anything you want with a WM window
[10:39] <popey> no worries persia - I hadn't got as far as gconf anyway :)
[10:39] <persia> popey, Screen too big for all-maximised-all-the-time ?
[10:39] <popey> it's only a 9" screen, but I prefer gnomey stuff
[10:39] <ogra> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-mobile-default-settings ;)
[10:40] <persia> It is all gnomey stuff, but with gconf fiddling :)
[10:40] <ogra> kill your user .gconf dir and you should mainly have a default ubuntu desktop
[10:40] <popey> if I had a touch screen mini thing then yes, I'd probably go ubuntu mobile but as the eee 900 is kinda a "proper" big boys computer, i prefer a gnome desktop
[10:40] <persia> popey, You *really* want to purge the default-settings package then : that does all the gconf magic to make it look different.
[10:40] <popey> i have manually tweaked everything, turning it into a real web book - removing most of the local apps
[10:41] <popey> yeah, that went early on :)
[10:41] <popey> sorry chaps, don't mean to distract you from important release type stuff with my eee tales :)
[10:41] <ogra> hmm, the devilspie config should have gone with uninstalling ubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[10:41] <persia> At this point, we're just testing images, so not a problem.  It's always good to hear from users.
[10:41] <ogra> so you shouldnt have any maximized undecorated windows anymore
[10:41] <persia> popey, You might want to just purge devilspie.
[10:42] <popey> yes, ubuntu-mobile-default-settings is definitely already removed, but devilspie remained
[10:42] <ogra> well, devilspie shouldnt sart without a config file ... and that config sits in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[10:42] <ogra> so i wonder whats going on there
[10:43] <ogra> i guess you didnt purge :)
[10:43] <popey> yes, status is rc
[10:43] <ogra> so the configs stay in place 
[10:43] <popey> well spotted
[10:44] <ian_brasil> ogra: i tracked down the expensive GTKDrawing call in the NewHumanMobile theme to it setting rgba to TRUE in the murrine engine.
[10:44] <ogra> apt-get remove --purge cellwriter devilspie xautomation xserver-xorg-input-evtounch netbook-launcher ...
[10:44] <ogra> then all mobile specific pieces should be gone
[10:44] <ogra> ian_brasil, ah, might be worth an SRU, though i have to check how the look changes 
[10:45] <ian_brasil> setting this to FALSE brins it back in line with the others...you loose opacity but i mthink it looks ok 
[10:46] <ogra> s/opacity/transparency/ *
[10:46] <ogra> ?
[10:46] <ian_brasil> yes right transparency...rgba calls it opacity for some reason
[10:49] <ian_brasil> what is SRU?
[10:51] <ogra> stable release update :)
[10:52] <ogra> post release change through an update ... we cant change the image contants anymore 
[10:52] <ogra> *contents
[15:02] <vbatts> ogra: ping
[15:02] <ogra> vbatts, pong