[01:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we have a taepodong-2 for #kubuntu-kde4 yet?
[01:45] <apachelogger> Riddell, rgreening: I'll be doing 3 talks at next devweek ;-)
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: wtf is a taepodong-2?
[01:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask the google :P
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> sounds like it could have sexual connotations
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> ~google taepodong-2
[01:48] <kubotu> Results for taepodong-2: 1. Taepodong-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2 | 2. Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2) - North Korea: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/missile/td-2.htm | 3. Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2) - North Korea: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/td-2.htm
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the Tumbler has batmissles
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> do we have a tumbler?
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> if not, Mark Shuttleworth needs to buy us one
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> I believe that the above should be discussed at UDS
[01:52] <apachelogger> wth
[01:53] <apachelogger> ~np
[01:53] <apachelogger> ah, probably better anyway
[01:53] <apachelogger> oh god
[01:53] <apachelogger> no
[01:53] <apachelogger> RMS should not make music
[01:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, I sure know a different meaning for tumbler than the one you were refering to
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the batmobile from batman begins?
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> ah, probably best I don't know
[01:54] <apachelogger> hmmm
[01:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: check urban dict
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> ah, I see
[01:57] <apachelogger> last.fm is certainly very left wingy for me today
[02:10] <txwikinger> left wingy?
[02:21] <rgreening> apachelogger: good stuff. :)
[02:22] <rgreening> ^ re: the 3 talks
[02:22] <apachelogger> *yawn*
[02:22] <apachelogger> tired
[02:22] <apachelogger> ~time
[02:22] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Wed Oct 29 03:22 CET
[02:22] <rgreening> ~time
[02:22] <kubotu> rgreening: America - St Johns - Tue Oct 28 23:52 NDT
[02:22] <rgreening> still early 4 me
[02:22] <rgreening> :)
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> ~time
[02:23] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: America - New York - Tue Oct 28 22:23 EDT
[02:24] <apachelogger> ah screw that
[02:24]  * apachelogger => cuddling
[02:25] <rgreening> lol
[02:40] <NCommander> o_o;
[02:40]  * ScottK has power again.
[02:40]  * NCommander prefers to fight the power
[02:42] <rgreening> power to the programmers
[02:44] <rgreening> o/ ScottK
[02:44] <vorian> woo
[02:44] <rgreening> ScottK: hows the monitor issue
[02:45] <ScottK> rgreening: Got it triaged to an upstreamable bug with bryce.
[02:45] <ScottK> It's a clear regression from Hardy.
[02:45] <rgreening> cool
[02:45] <ScottK> He gave suggestions for workarounds, but since then either $TEENAGERS have been working on homework with the other monitor or we've had no power.
[02:46] <rgreening> heh
[03:10] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Krandr was not guilty on my monitor problem.  It's a pure X bug.
[03:25] <ScottK-laptop> Does kdm use .xprofile the same way gdm does?
[03:28] <claydoh> OT as I can't seem to dig up any alternatives; where can I buy Kubuntu schwag other than cafe press
[03:39] <ScottK-laptop> Running xrandr via /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup seems likely to work.
[03:55] <ScottK-laptop> Seems good so far.
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  One box finally upgraded (and two items for the release notes).
[04:16] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd review my work around in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/290156/comments/14 and tell me if that's a sane approach or not
[04:17] <ScottK-laptop> It works, which says a lot for it, but ...
[04:29]  * ScottK-laptop notes that we still have no Kubuntu amd64 upgrade test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2128
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> That seems to be the only Kubuntu test with no coverage at all.
[04:29]  * ScottK-laptop has no amd64, so can't help out ...
[10:23] <ScottK> Still needing an amd64 upgrade test ... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2128
[10:24] <Riddell> ScottK: I have to leave something still to do :)
[10:24] <Riddell> besides the architecture isn't as important as that various kde3/kde4/kde4-ppa upgrades
[10:24] <ScottK> ;-)
[10:24] <ScottK> True.
[10:25] <Riddell> which is what I have been testing, and that annoying x-session-manager alternative is still broken
[10:25] <ScottK> I'm just trying to avoid slangasek looking at us funny and wondering why there's a test not done.
[10:25] <Riddell> but I've worked out why now, I wonder if I can still update kdebase-workspace
[10:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/290156/comments/14 (I mentioned it about 6 hours ago)?
[10:27] <Riddell> ScottK: X isn't really my area, I'd expect bryce or tjaarlton could comment better
[10:27] <Riddell> ScottK: it would presumably be better to work out why X is settings the wrong resolution in the first place
[10:28] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  bryce said he thought it was good, but he doesn't know much about KDM.  My question for you was more is the the right spot to be picking at KDM.
[10:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, that's a clear bug and bryce has sent it upstream.
[10:28] <ScottK> In the meantime my kid's computer works again.
[10:28] <Riddell> ScottK: that seems to be a sensible place to do what's trying to be done yes
[10:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[10:30] <ScottK> Riddell: My 14 year old, who is not very technical at all, was really excited about setting up widgets on her desktop.  It's the first time I recall her excited about something she could do on the computer.
[10:30] <ScottK> KDE4 is great.
[10:32] <Riddell> I'll quote you on that :)
[10:32] <ScottK> Absolutely.
[10:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Her quote was, "Dad, guess what?  I figured out widgets.  They are SO cool!"
[10:33] <Riddell> ScottK: what widgets does she use?
[10:34] <ScottK> She has one that displays comics.  It had Garfield last I saw.
[10:34] <ScottK> She had her TODO on the yellow sticky note ont.
[10:34] <ScottK> ont/one
[10:34] <ScottK> I think she had a calculator one too.
[10:35] <ScottK> Mind you she'd just started figuring it out.  It's their computer that I had the resolution hell with.
[10:35] <ScottK> I expect it'll get insanely more complex when she's had more than an hour or so to play with it.
[10:36] <ScottK> Riddell: She's also the one I had do the dist-upgrade as a test.  She got through the instructions fine.
[10:37] <Riddell> that is good to hear
[10:38] <ScottK> She got a little nervous when I told her she was going to upgrade the compter and I was just going to watch, but it worked out.
[10:40] <ScottK> Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 1 day left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[10:40] <ScottK> Woops.
[11:38] <Riddell> 11:30 < slangasek> Riddell: for the release note for bug #280762, you had written "This issue only occurs for some, and not all": doesn't it affect all who have static IP connections?
[11:38] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[11:56] <rgreening> Riddell: any reason that the hooks run with synaptic (if installed) rather than adept in update-notifier-kde.py
[11:57] <xerosis> rgreening: I logged a bug about that somewhere, don't think it got anywhere
[11:58] <rgreening> yeah, I now just found it happened to me. I couldn't dup before... now I have.
[11:58] <rgreening> It seems it's reading some default from a config file... just got to find it
[11:59] <xerosis> here it is, bug 288653
[12:00] <Riddell> rgreening: such as what?
[12:01] <rgreening> I have a file which was created in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d called apt-auth-failure.note.
[12:01] <rgreening> It contains the following entry... Command: gksu -- synaptic --non-interactive --update-at-startup --hide-main-window
[12:01] <rgreening> update-notifier-kde runs this hook which uses synaptic
[12:02] <rgreening> the dir is part of this package: update-notifier-common
[12:02] <Riddell> that's a bug with the hook
[12:03] <rgreening> this is inconsistant behaviour with the rest of update-notifier-kde
[12:03] <rgreening> yeah
[12:03] <rgreening> bug listed above
[12:04] <Riddell> it's not a bug with update-notifier-kde, it's a bug with apt (or whatever ships the faulty hook)
[12:04] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, where to look?
[12:05] <Riddell> apt
[12:05] <Riddell> the file is /usr/share/apt/apt-auth-failure.note
[12:05] <rgreening> ok, I'll dl and look
[12:08] <Riddell> it needs replaced with a script which checks for synaptic && gksu and runs that else checks for install-package and runs that
[12:09] <rgreening> Riddell: apt-0.7.14ubuntu6/share/apt-auth-failure.note
[12:09] <rgreening> in the source, it's just a plain hardcoded txt file
[12:11] <Riddell> yes
[12:12] <rgreening> question, if apt has a problem, it should never depend on running a gui like synaptic, right? shouldn't it just execute a sudo in terminal via the x-term alternatives? only neutral thing to try
[12:13] <Riddell> if the update failed, having an upgrade hook for update-notifier seems a sensible way of having the user run it at a time when it has a chance of not failing
[12:14] <Riddell> using synaptic or install-package is far preferable for users than an xterm they won't understand
[12:14] <rgreening> Riddell, yes, but what I am saying is that apt itself is depending on having synaptic installed, but it may not be
[12:15] <rgreening> so, what is the correct upgrade hook command to put in there?
[12:15] <Riddell> rgreening: upgrade hooks only ever got run through update-notifier
[12:16] <Riddell> until recently when I wrote update-notifier-kde so now they get run for kde us
[12:16] <smarter> rgreening: a script which will check for the DE and use the correct install method
[12:16] <Riddell> users too
[12:16] <smarter> (and failback to xterm if everything else fails)
[12:16] <smarter> *fallback
[12:17] <rgreening> I'll attach apt to the bug. Not sure how to proceed further though
[12:21] <smarter> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/009371.html << Riddell: what's that for?
[12:21] <rgreening> bug updated. anyone feel free to make suggestion on how to fix
[12:21] <rgreening> :)
[12:23] <Riddell> smarter: skim got demoted so only scim available which brings in a load of gtk bits, not suitable for CD
[12:24] <smarter> ok
[12:24] <smarter> why did skim got demoted?
[12:24] <smarter> because it's kde3?
[12:24] <jtechidna> so what'd the importance be for bug 290620?
[12:24] <Riddell> rgreening: write a bash script which does the right thing depend on what's installed, add it to apt, change the hook to run that
[12:24] <Riddell> smarter: it dosen't work with kde 4 apparantly
[12:24] <smarter> oh
[12:25] <smarter> no kde4 port in work?
[12:25] <Riddell> smarter: not that I know of :(
[12:26] <smarter> shame :/
[12:28] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, I'll have a look at that today. So, 1) script for proper detection 2) update the hook file to run the script 3) update apt to install said script. Any suggestions on where the script should live on the system? and an acceptible name (any convention)
[12:31] <Riddell>  /usr/lib/apt/apt-auth-failure-update
[12:31] <smarter> to detect which DE is running you could try: $DESKTOP_SESSION
[12:31] <rgreening> k. on it boss :)
[12:31] <rgreening> ty smarter
[12:32] <rgreening> I think it will be find what's installed and then check which DE is running and prefer the native one if installed, then fallback to any other installed.
[12:34] <Riddell> metellius: it's in /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake
[12:34] <Riddell> and part of kdelibs5-dev
[12:34] <rgreening> chan?
[12:34] <Riddell> metellius: it may help to add this to cmake   -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps
[12:34] <Riddell> rgreening: he got told to go away from the other channel :)
[12:35] <rgreening> oh my
[12:35] <rgreening> how rude
[12:35] <rgreening> lol
[12:35] <rgreening> o/ metellius
[12:35] <smarter> hmm
[12:35] <rgreening> :)
[12:36] <metellius> :)
[12:36] <smarter> why does adept launches an update when I click on the button supposed to launch software-properties-kde?
[12:36] <smarter> actually, both buttons in the "fetch lists" tab of adept installer have the same effect
[12:36] <metellius> omg, bad bad adept bug. double-clicking a file in the details section can actionally rename it. I mistakently renamed /usr/bin/adept to /usr/bin/df
[12:37] <rgreening> wtf
[12:37] <rgreening> omg
[12:37] <rgreening> lol
[12:37] <smarter> oh, I understand
[12:37]  * rgreening has to try it
[12:37] <smarter> software-properties-kde is borken for LANG != C
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> metellius: I doubt it'll really change it
[12:37] <smarter> Riddell: ^
[12:37] <metellius> JontheEchidna: no, it actually did
[12:37] <smarter> Riddell: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 22-23: invalid data
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> o.O
[12:37] <metellius> I can run adept now by /usr/bin/df
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> holy crap
[12:38] <rgreening> metellius: bug opened for this?
[12:38] <metellius> i discovered it < 2 min ago
[12:39] <rgreening> k. open a bug and paste it here
[12:39] <rgreening> we'll look at it asap. this is critical
[12:39] <rgreening> and a BIG security problem
[12:39] <smarter> nop, you have r00t privileges when you launch Adept
[12:40] <metellius> do you really need a bug when I tell you the easy way to reproduce it right here?
[12:40] <smarter> but, software-properties-kde b0rken if you're not speaking us english is a serious bug
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> metellius: I'll take care of the Kubuntu formalities like bug reporting
[12:40] <rgreening> metellius: yes. absolutely
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> smarter: been known forever , bug 133937
[12:40] <smarter> Oo
[12:41] <smarter> nobody fixed it? :O
[12:41] <rgreening> ok, JontheEchidna, you got this one
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> I wonder
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, nvm
[12:42] <metellius> i don't see how it's a security problem, but I do see how it's bad because it will ruin the stability of the packages
[12:42] <metellius> so where do the bug go? launchpad some place?
[12:42] <rgreening> metellius: true, security may be a bit overstated. but it is big
[12:42] <metellius> I have never placed a kubuntu bug before
[12:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you going to open bug for metellius or want me to assist in a walkthough...
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I'm going to file a bug here and upstream
[12:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: cool... metellius ^^
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> if b.k.o was working :/
[12:43] <metellius> yay.
[12:43] <rgreening> metellius: and yes, launchpad is the place to file bugs. it's actually quite easy. cheers
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> ok, seems my DNS is down but I can still chat :/
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting router
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> the good thing is that the bug is probably easy enough to solve, just flip a few Qt switches here and there to disable editing
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: kubuntu upgrade from kde 3 to intrepid = fail
[13:00] <davmor2> Riddell: mvo is double checking it
[13:01] <Riddell> !
[13:02] <davmor2> Riddell: some nvidia issues bug 290638
[13:08] <rgreening> Riddell: what would my new e-mail alias be. I've tested a few alternatives. none work.
[13:10] <davmor2> rgreening: they take a while to come through and it will be your launchpad username at kubuntu.org/ubuntu.com
[13:11] <rgreening> ok, tried the ubuntu with LP name. bounced back
[13:11] <ScottK> rgreening: IIRC I had to ask a question on LP to get it added.
[13:11] <davmor2> rgreening: took nearly a week for mine to activate
[13:12] <ScottK> BTW, now that release day is almost here, it's marketing time.
[13:12] <ScottK> Blog, blog, blog ...
[13:12] <ScottK> I think you'll like my latest one when it hits planet.
[13:12] <davmor2> get your apples here, get your grapes 2lb a pound
[13:13] <davmor2> oh wrong market
[13:13] <Hobbsee> rgreening: how are you testing it?  from gmail?
[13:13] <smarter> iirc, the emails alias are set/updated once a month
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173830
[13:14] <Hobbsee> rgreening: oh, and what's your LP ID?
[13:15] <a|wen> Hobbsee, rgreening: are we talking about the @kubuntu.org address ... mine doesn't work either (get an address not in virtual alias table)
[13:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:15] <Hobbsee> (and yes)
[13:17] <rgreening> Hobbsee: I tested from my work address.
[13:17] <a|wen> i supposed it was because their script wasn't running
[13:17] <rgreening> Hobbsee: roderick-greening [at] ubuntu.com should be the addy.. which isn't in the virt table
[13:18] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[13:22] <ScottK> It's there now ...
[13:55] <jjesse> morning
[13:55] <nixternal> morning
[13:56] <jjesse> how are things nixternal?
[13:56] <nixternal> a little cloudy this morning :)
[13:57] <nixternal> our company won the Chicago Technology Innovation Awards last night so we had a huge ceremony
[13:57] <jjesse> congrats
[13:57] <nixternal> my picture will be in the next issue of business week :)
[13:57] <nixternal> woohoo
[13:58] <nixternal> now the business world will know who I am!!! and I even have a "Free and Open Source Software" quote in my interview :)
[13:59] <jjesse> wow, ill have to grab the next bussiness week then
[14:03] <sahin_w> How can I change the color of an KDE3 application in Inrepid? There is no kcontrol packages anymore. :-(
[14:03] <sahin_w> I'm an Ubuntu user (with Gnome), however I like Amarok and digikam.
[14:03] <sahin_w> In Hardy that was easy.
[14:05] <smarter> try changing it using systemsettings; not sure if it works for kde3 apps
[14:05] <smarter> but this is a support question, not a dev question --> #kubunu
[14:05] <smarter> *#kubuntu
[14:06] <ScottK-laptop> Actuall #kubuntu-kde4
[14:06] <ScottK-laptop> Actuall/Actually
[14:06] <Riddell> until tomorrow
[14:07] <jjesse> i cant believe another release is almost done
[14:08] <Riddell> naerly there
[14:10] <sahin_w> ok
[14:12] <Riddell> smarter: I can't even get software-properties-kde to run in non english
[14:15] <Riddell> smarter: ah but importing that key breaks things
[14:41] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: If they're going to have to respin (see #ubuntu-release), maybe the kdm fix could get in?
[14:44] <Riddell> respin?
[14:45] <Riddell> goodness
[14:46] <ScottK-laptop> Yes, so I thought you'd want to at least consider it.
[14:47] <Riddell> it's not something that affects the CDs actually, it only affects upgrades
[15:06] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/  who sees a stray 'a' there?
[15:07] <ScottK-laptop> It affects people using the CDs for upgrades which apparently a lot of people do (I've never really understood it)
[15:09] <\sh> Riddell: in firefox, I don't see any stray 'a'...should it be there?
[15:10] <Riddell> \sh: seems "Candidate" was word wrapping from the top banner
[15:11] <\sh> Riddell: in firefox the whole page doesn't even wordwrap ;)
[15:21] <ScottK> Wahoo!  Two entries in the official release notes from one upgrade.
[15:28] <rgreening> Riddell: almost got the apt script written... it's fun thinking in bash again...
[15:28] <Riddell> that has to be sarcasm, bash is never fun :)
[15:29] <\sh> bash IS fun
[15:29] <rgreening> dripping as it were...
[15:29] <ScottK> Riddell: There are people that enjoy most any type of pain you can imagine and no doubt some you can't.
[15:29] <rgreening> I prefer perl for my quick hacks
[15:30] <\sh> good to know that admins are mostly the "M" part of "SM" ;)
[15:30] <rgreening> I once wrote a commercial app that was 250,000 lines in perl (plus documenting the code). Actual code was prob 100K lines
[15:30]  * ScottK wonders if \sh reads BOFH.  That's the 'S' part.
[15:31] <rgreening> lart
[15:31] <\sh> ScottK: BOFH is first level ,-)
[15:31] <\sh> ScottK: BOFH is dealing with users...I'm dealing with problems below osi layer 8 ,-)
[15:36] <\sh> ScottK: did you ever play around with powershell of MS in the past?
[15:51] <_gunni_> Everytime i try to add new plasma applet kde is crashing (Intrepid 64bit). Any known bug about this?
[15:57] <rgreening> Riddell: with synaptic, the apt hook can get it to refetch the sources list. adept doesn't ssem to have this command line option (unless I am reading it incorrectly). adept updater installs updates if available but only re-fetches the list if updates are available. Should we update updater to fetch or add a new opt to adept?
[16:00] <_gunni_> ok, also crashes when i try to set a new background in desktop settings
[16:02] <Riddell> rgreening: use   install-package --update
[16:02] <rgreening> oh.. hmmm.. ok, let me check
[16:03] <Riddell> _gunni_: works for me
[16:03] <_gunni_> I tried deleting plasmarc and plasmaappletrc, but that did not help
[16:04] <_gunni_> How can i get better info or you on that crash?
[16:04] <_gunni_> s/or/for
[16:11] <Riddell> _gunni_: you could try installing the dbg packages and running it through gdb with --nofork
[16:15] <_gunni_> All kde4 dbg packages or just the plasma ones? And what should i run in gdb?
[16:19] <smarter> _gunni_: kdebase-workspace-dbg should be enough
[16:19] <smarter> then kquitapp plasma && gdb plasma
[16:19] <smarter> set args --nofork
[16:19] <smarter> run
[16:19] <smarter> then when it crashes, backtrace
[16:20] <_gunni_> i will try
[16:20] <smarter> but normally when it crashes there's a popup
[16:20] <smarter> and you can click on "details" or something like that and see the backtrace(if the dbg packages are installed)
[16:20] <_gunni_> It just crashes and i am at login screen
[16:21] <smarter> hmm, that's probably a video driver related crash
[16:21] <smarter> what's your graphic card?
[16:21] <_gunni_> nvidia
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, written. but, one small issue .. if I kill the install-package before it finishes, the script hangs. Is this a prob with the script needing to trap certain signals or a problem with install-package not handling a close gracefully?
[16:26] <rgreening> Riddell: nm. I never waited long enough for it to terminate. Works 100%!!!!!
[16:29] <_gunni_> Is there a way to output the gdb output to a file, as gdb seems to not catch the crash and i landed on login screen again.
[16:32] <rgreening> Riddell: poke - just fired you an e-mail. have a look at the attached script.
[16:36]  * ScottK-laptop notes that the FAQ about .hidden for Edgy can be deleted off the web site.
[16:37] <Riddell> the FAQ probably needs a few updates for 8.10
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> Actually the entire FAQ could use an overhaul.
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[16:38] <Riddell> let me know if you want a crack at it :)
[16:41] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I can do at least some basic cleanup.  Would a patch to the html source work or how should I send you changed?
[16:44] <smarter> _gunni_: you should start gdb from a tty
[16:44] <smarter> ctrl+alt+f1 --> login/pass --> DISPLAY=:0 gdb
[16:44] <smarter> then ctrl+alt+f7, make it crashes, go back to ctrl+alt+f1 and type backtrace
[16:45] <smarter> (with the kquitapp, set args and other stuff in the middle)
[16:45] <_gunni_> kk, i will try
[16:45] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: voila
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[16:46]  * ScottK-laptop makes a TODO while fighting $WORK fires.
[17:05] <_gunni_> now how can i copy the output from the teminal somewhere?
[17:06] <_gunni_> smarter: now how can i copy the output from the teminal somewhere?
[17:06] <smarter> _gunni_: hmm I didn't think about that :/
[17:06] <smarter> there might be a gdb command
[17:07] <smarter> the other option is to make it crashes again, but this times start gdb with DISPLAY=:0 gdb |tee ~/plasma-crash.txt
[17:07] <smarter> then it will be in your home  directory in the file plasma-crash.txt
[17:08] <_gunni_> i ll try brb
[17:08] <smarter> hmm, the exact command is DISPLAY=:0 gdb plasma | tee ~/plasma-crash.txt
[17:22] <_gunni_> smarter: plasma seemed to not start complete (no background or plsamoids) but i could right click and got the crash on changing background. I hope that wont influence the output: http://pastebin.com/m694d6924
[17:28] <carsten> Moin
[17:29] <carsten> Riddell: anything specifc you want me to test?
[17:30] <carsten> And is there anything I can do to get a comment on this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/289106
[17:34] <smarter> _gunni_: unfortunately I don't really understand what's going on here, fill a bug report on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu with your pastebin attached so that it doesn't get lost
[17:35] <smarter> _gunni_: have this worked before? does it works with a live-CD?
[17:36] <_gunni_> It did work a while ago, but i dont remember whe i last added plasmoids or changed background, so i cant say what broke it
[17:36] <_gunni_> i can try with a live cd tomorrow (have to watch soccer in an hour :) )
[17:37] <smarter> okay
[17:37] <smarter> fill a bug report with all these informations when you'll have tested and link it here
[17:40] <_gunni_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/290799
[17:41] <\sh> _gunni_: hmmm? I'm changing backgrounds on 2 plasma enabled desktop on two screens as slideshow...works perfectly
[17:42] <ScottK-laptop> \sh: With nv video?
[17:42] <_gunni_> It worked some time ago, as i had a different background
[17:42] <\sh> ScottK: ati
[17:42] <ScottK-laptop> My spider sense says it's a video driver issue, but I haven't actually looked at the bug or anything.
[17:43] <_gunni_> nvidia may be a cause of course
[17:43] <jtechidna> if it logs you out then that probably means X is crashing
[17:43] <jtechidna> and then plasma probably crashes since X dies
[17:44] <Nakkel> Im having few annoying problems with my RC Intrepid. Mainly most of my settings wont survive program restarts, logouts or reboots.
[17:47] <Nakkel> Whats weird is that I can grep the corresponding lines from conf files but after a reboot *poof* they vanish like magic untill I go thru the ordeal of reconfiguring everything by hand.
[17:50] <Nakkel> And its not on some spesific program or subset of programs that suffer from this. System Settings wont hold my icon settings, widget theme or window theme. Kontact and programs running under it forget their settings. Akregator being worst that it doesnt even apply some when hitting Apply/Ok.
[17:51] <smarter> Nakkel: and does it works for non-kde apps?
[17:52] <Nakkel> Yea, I tried running Gnome for few days and everything was dandy there. Except that I couldnt find much to configure anyway. ;)
[17:53] <smarter> hehe
[17:56] <ScottK-laptop> Is the "How do I play mp3 files the same for Intrepid as it was for Hardy?
[17:56] <ScottK-laptop> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/faq#mp3
[17:57] <ScottK-laptop> Err https://www.kubuntu.org/faq#mp3
[17:58]  * ScottK-laptop assumes it is and updates the FAQ.
[18:01] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: The FAQ is now up to "not obviously out of date to a casual observer".  It could use more work.
[18:07] <ScottK-laptop> As a  bonus, I added one Intrepid specific one.  https://www.kubuntu.org/faq#settings - That's it for now.  Someone else's turn.
[18:09] <xerosis> Riddell: on the release notes there's an entry about ath_pci this doesn't work with knetworkmanager without restarting it, is that worth going on then?
[18:13] <Riddell> xerosis: what's the release note say?
[18:13] <Riddell> does it work with gnome nm-applet?
[18:15] <xerosis> Riddell: it's about unloading it and reloading it for suspend
[18:15] <xerosis> I presume it does with nm-applet, not tried it though
[18:24] <eeanm> Amarok 1.4 is the default player still right?
[18:24] <jtechidna> eeanm: right
[18:24] <eeanm> ok cool
[18:25] <eeanm> just making sure you all aren't smoking whatever Mandriva is smoking
[18:25] <eeanm> :)
[18:25] <jtechidna> with amarok2 available through an external-yet-official repository
[18:25] <jtechidna> ;-)
[18:25] <eeanm> perfect
[18:26] <jtechidna> with which I am currently seeing if I can get it to compile with device support
[18:27] <smarter> mandriva made amarok2 default? they want to know if their bugs tracker can support tons of new reports? :P
[18:27] <eeanm> apparently
[18:27] <eeanm> Mandriva does do weird stuff like that
[18:31] <rgreening> Riddell: what's the best way to force a hooks run?
[18:32] <Riddell> rgreening: kill update-notifier-kde, rm ~/.kde/share/config/update-notifier-kderc, start it again
[18:32] <Riddell> that file logs the ones which have already been done
[18:32] <rgreening> ok
[18:33] <Riddell> also check it isn't showAfterReboot=false or whatever that key is
[18:35] <marc_> Hi, this is my first login here, I respond to the "more testers wanted" by jridell
[18:35] <jtechidna> marc_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[18:35] <marc_> I tried to do an upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 following the instructions on kubuntu.org
[18:36] <jtechidna> oh, testing that is good too :)
[18:36] <Riddell> hi marc_, how did the upgrade go?
[18:36] <rgreening> Riddell: It works. ty.
[18:36] <marc_> but nothing happens after downloading the upgrade tool
[18:36] <Riddell> marc_: no "Version Upgrade" button on adept?
[18:37] <marc_> yes, if I press this button, I get a window that does the download of the upgrade sw
[18:37] <Riddell> that's promising
[18:37] <marc_> I see that it downloads something
[18:38] <marc_> but the upgrade does not start
[18:38] <Riddell> marc_: does the window close or stay open?
[18:38] <marc_> it stays open until I click finish
[18:39] <Riddell> marc_: which step is it at?
[18:39] <marc_> I have to click two times next I think and then finish
[18:40] <Riddell> marc_: and it doesn't install the upgrades?
[18:40] <marc_> no, the window closes and nothing further happens
[18:41] <Riddell> marc_: could you report a bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug
[18:41] <Riddell> marc_: attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[18:41] <Riddell> marc_: also a screenshot of the tool in its final state might be useful
[18:41] <marc_> ok, i'll do that
[18:42] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 288653 needs sponsoring. debdiff in the bug.
[18:44] <Riddell> rgreening: looks good to me at a glace, mvo is the man for apt, you'd need to ask him if you think it would be suitable for a SRU
[18:45] <rgreening> mvo not around...
[18:49] <Riddell> rgreening: he's on irc, might be away to tea I suppose, or michael.vogt@ubun tu.com
[18:50] <ScottK> Riddell: The 14 year old that found widgets yesterday is now teaching her older sister about them. :-)
[18:50] <jtechidna> kde svn 870165
[18:50] <Riddell> ScottK: plasmoids seem like a good marketing tool, we should try and have as many as possible available in jaunty
[18:51] <ScottK> We need a few more of apachelogger's Bat Team to get their MOTU applications in.
[18:52] <jtechidna> I'm going to get a few merges under me belt before submitting an motu app, considering I got involved pretty much after merges were done
[18:58] <xerosis> rgreening: thanks for fixing that bug :)
[18:59] <rgreening> np. took a bit of bash'ing :P
[19:04] <reisi> interesting feature: setting cpu governor (through the app in systray) to "powersave" locks my screen (asks for password)
[19:04] <reisi> has anyone mentioned that today? :)
[19:04] <reisi> this is not clean 8.10 install but gradually upgraded 8.04 kde4 remix -> 8.10 beta -> ...
[19:05] <jtechidna> nope, haven't seen anybody mention that
[19:05] <Riddell> reisi: funky
[19:05] <Riddell> reisi: report a bug to bugs.kde.org please on guidance-power-manager
[19:06] <reisi> Riddell: roger that
[19:07] <reisi> it can be changed to dynamic or performance with no issues, but powersave triggers locking, this really is funky :)
[19:08] <reisi> also, any hp 6510b (laptop) around?
[19:08] <Riddell> not here
[19:09] <reisi> there's this rather old bug concerning hotkey-setup, which does nowdays change /proc/acpi/video/*/DOS from 0 to 7, which prevents system lockup when lid is closed
[19:09] <dcrabs> hi, i have a hphp 6710s.
[19:09] <ScottK> reisi: I think there is an open bug in Launchpad about that too (the lockup issue)
[19:09] <reisi> ScottK: oh it's still open? i guess that's the one by me
[19:10] <dcrabs> reisi: It was guidance right?
[19:10] <ScottK> I recall getting the bugmail, but didn't have a chance to really follow up on it.
[19:10] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:10] <ScottK> reisi: Reporting that upstream to bugs.kde.org would be useful.
[19:11] <reisi> ScottK: dcrabs: are we discussing the acpi video DOS setting or funky behaviour on guidance? :)
[19:11] <ScottK> reisi: I'm talking about Guidance
[19:11] <dcrabs> reisi: me too
[19:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking of which - Do we need a Jaunty spec on power manager selection?  Do we stick with Guidance or switch to the [insert name here] new on in KDE.
[19:12] <reisi> dcrabs: the acpi system lockup is an acpi issue -- should be fixable in hotkey-setup
[19:12] <dcrabs> reisi: i fixed it here a while ago. remember that
[19:13] <jtechidna> ScottK: Powerdevil is the [insert name here]
[19:13] <reisi> dcrabs: you posted that launchpad based new package?
[19:13] <embraceunity> I hear more testers are needed? I can't find anything wrong with this darn operating system. It is depressing
[19:13] <embraceunity> what specifically needs testing?
[19:13] <ScottK> jtechidna: Yeah.  That one.
[19:13] <dcrabs> reisi: hm, no I don't think it was me
[19:13] <ScottK> Anyway, we should consider it and decide.
[19:13] <jtechidna> I'd go for Powerdevil, no offense to the guidance d00ds
[19:14] <dcrabs> reisi: my screen locks too when i change to "powersave" in guidance
[19:14] <jtechidna> It's got kde-backed plasma integration, a runner for KRunner for managing profiles, and a kcm module for systemsettings
[19:14] <rgreening> Riddell: spoke with mvo... I need to remind him again tomorrow...
[19:14] <rgreening> It's late apparantly :)
[19:14] <_Sime_> if Powerdevil works better and is better maintained, then go for it. no probs.
[19:15] <dcrabs> powerdevil works perfectly here. I remove guidance because it uses too much ram
[19:15] <jtechidna> _Sime_: oh btw, I was wondering if knotify is exposed in any manner the python bindings
[19:15] <Riddell> rgreening: tell him it's not late and he has a whole new round of testing to do
[19:15] <rgreening> lol
[19:16] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think it needs a spec, KDE has powerdevil in kdeutils now, unless there's notable usability problems with it (I havn't looked recently)
[19:16] <reisi> dcrabs: could you report it then? my network breaks down every 5 minutes and i can't get to bugs.kde.org?
[19:16] <reisi> (never share network connection with windows xp!)
[19:16] <dcrabs> reisi: sure, i can try.
[19:16] <ScottK> Riddell: So your assumption is we'll switch?
[19:17] <jtechidna> _Sime_: oh, I assume knotify is exposed because guidance uses it. I guess docs just don't exist?
[19:17] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[19:17] <ScottK> OK.
[19:17]  * jtechidna sheds a tear for good old guidance
[19:18] <Riddell> jtechidna: I don't think guidance uses knotify, don't see why it wouldn't be in pykde though
[19:18] <reisi> dcrabs: btw the acpi lockup is on launchpad #157691, not reported by me as i previously stated
[19:18] <jtechidna> Riddell: my dad gets knotify-looking notifications when I unplug his laptop
[19:18] <_Sime_> knotify should be in PyKDE. I don't know why it wouldn't be.
[19:18] <Riddell> jtechidna: that's just kpassivepopup
[19:18] <jtechidna> _Sime_: oh, I just couldn't find docs ;-)
[19:19] <jtechidna> oh
[19:24] <rgreening> _Sime_: got a min?
[19:24] <_Sime_> rgreening: hi
[19:24] <rgreening> hey o/
[19:30] <blueyed> Are you aware of bug 284055? Is it assigned correctly?
[19:30] <rgreening> _Sime_ bug 289402
[19:31] <Riddell> blueyed: that should probably be kdebase-workspace
[19:32] <blueyed> Riddell: thanks, fixed.
[19:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I've just given powerdevil a quick try.  Seems to work.  Items I think need to be sonsidered that may need a spec: How do we expose the suspend/hibernate U/I, do we replace Guidance on upgrades, do we leave Guidance in Universe or remove it.
[19:44] <Riddell> ScottK: put those questions on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs I guess
[19:44] <ScottK> rgrid
[19:44] <ScottK> Urgh
[19:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do.
[19:45] <rgreening> rgrid sounds like ScottK tried to mash me into Riddell
[19:46] <ScottK> It came out that way, but it was more of a complete failure of typing ability.
[19:46] <smarter> Riddell: can I add accessibility to the udsjauntyspecs, even if I'll not be there at uds?
[19:46] <jtechidna> rgriddle, for making pancackes :D
[19:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[19:52] <[thor]> Hi folks. I did an upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 yesterday and I ran into an issue with Xorg
[19:53] <[thor]> Question: during the upgrade, does my machine get a new xorg file or is my current one parsed?
[19:53] <ScottK> The config file is mostly not used these days.
[19:54] <ScottK> What issue?
[19:54] <[thor]> OK, because after the upgrade, X wouldn't start. It came down to the RgbPath entry in the xorg file...
[19:54] <[thor]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/274866
[19:55] <[thor]> I manually commented out that entry and X started without any problems.
[19:55] <ScottK> [thor]: You might add your troubleshooting/fixing steps here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[19:56] <ScottK> For Kubuntu the entire display management system is different with KDE4, so no teeling exactly what does what compared to Hardy.
[19:56] <ScottK> [thor]: #ubuntu-x is a good place to discuss such things.
[19:57] <[thor]> Thanks. I was running 8.04 with KDE4 prior to the upgrade. I guess I won't be the only one who runs into this issue.
[19:58] <[thor]> Other than that things worked just fine. You have done a great job on the 4.1 setup!
[19:59] <vblanton> [thor]: stepped in late, what was the issue you ran into thor?
[19:59] <[thor]> RgbPath entry in the xorg.conf file...
[19:59] <[thor]> My X wouldn't start after the upgrade, but commenting out RgbPath made things work fine again.
[20:01] <vblanton> ah ok
[20:01] <vblanton> that is something you put in their yourself?
[20:02] <vblanton> i'll be back
[20:02] <[thor]> No. I have mostly left xorg.conf alone :) I did a clean install of 8,04 with KDE4 IIRC
[20:09] <NCommander> ScottK, I can't find kubuntu CDs, just DVDs
[20:15] <ScottK> NCommander: Something like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ should have it.
[20:16] <NCommander> ScottK, I need hardy
[20:16] <NCommander> :-P
[20:16] <ScottK> Oh.  Ancient history.
[20:16] <NCommander> AMD64 hardy->intrepid upgrade path
[20:17] <NCommander> someone tested it last night?
[20:17] <ScottK> NCommander: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[20:17] <ScottK> But there were issues, so more testing is good.
[20:18] <NCommander> Define issues
[20:18] <NCommander> That page isn't working for me
[20:18] <NCommander> do I want to test from KDE3 or from KDE4?
[20:18] <ScottK> Weird.  Works here.
[20:19] <ScottK> KDE3 -> is the official upgrade path, but KDE4 -> is more likely to be interesting.
[20:19] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[21:55] <Socceroos> soo, is anyone around?
[21:56] <Socceroos> I'm considering installing kubuntu RC on my laptop and testing stuff before the release tomorrow
[21:56] <Socceroos> I just need to know if there's some devs out there to help with the bugs i find
[21:56] <Socceroos> :)
[21:58] <Socceroos> helloo
[21:59] <Arby> Socceroos: if you file them in launchpad they'll get dealt with :)
[21:59] <Arby> along with all the others no doubt :)
[21:59] <ScottK> Socceroos: This is a quiet time of day here, but in addition to here there is help in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:00] <Socceroos> ok
[22:00] <Socceroos> Thanks for that fellas.
[22:03] <Arby> Could I get some advice on bug 188950 ?
[22:03] <Riddell> hi Socceroos
[22:03] <Arby> it's pretty complete I think
[22:04] <Riddell> Socceroos: if you wait a bit there will be final candidates that will be in sore need of testing
[22:04] <Arby> just wondering if it's worth forwarding to qt upstream
[22:04] <Arby> the bug doesn't occur in kde4
[22:04] <Riddell> Arby: kde 3 only?
[22:05] <Arby> Riddell: yes, as best I can tell
[22:05] <Riddell> Qt won't be interested
[22:05] <Arby> doesn't occur for me on 4.1.2
[22:05] <Arby> ok, how to resolve then?
[22:06] <Riddell> if it doesn't affect intrepid you can close it as fixed, if you want you can put in a sru for hardy
[22:06] <vorian> ok
[22:06] <vorian> any final testing needed?  :)
[22:06] <Riddell> vorian: lots in a bit
[22:06] <vorian> okie dokie
[22:06] <Riddell> whole new desktop CD and dvd builds coming in half an hour or so
[22:06] <vorian> ok
[22:06] <vorian> i'll hit amd64 stuff
[22:07] <Arby> Riddell: I'll close. thanks
[22:14] <Socceroos> Riddell: hahahaha, I'm 98% through downloading the current ISO..........DOH!
[22:14] <Riddell> Socceroos: keep going, you can rsync
[22:14] <Socceroos> ok
[22:15] <Socceroos> You mean update via package manager?
[22:15] <Riddell> update with rsync
[22:15] <Riddell> rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso .
[22:15] <Socceroos> ah, ok
[22:16] <Arby> Riddell: while I'm at it, is my last comment sufficient to close bug 24800 ?
[22:16] <Riddell> Socceroos: so finish your current download, then run rsync to get the latest image, then wait until new images are announced and rsync again to get the one with the latest fixes which needs lots of testing before tomorrow
[22:17] <Socceroos> Riddell: okies
[22:18] <Riddell> Arby: I'd say so
[22:18] <Arby> woo. bugs--
[22:18] <Riddell> seaLne: looks like one of yours ^^
[22:20] <Socceroos> Riddell: In terms of testing, if I'm trying things like external monitors/projectors, Cameras, multimedia keyboards and the like is it too late to report bugs on that kind of stuff?
[22:21] <Riddell> Socceroos: anything can be reported, serious problems can get a release note and stable release update as appropriate, but the most important thing is just that it installs and runs
[22:21] <Socceroos> yeah, ok
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> farewell #kubuntu-kde4
[22:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: already?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: everybody was cleared out
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> I guess it is Oct 30 in UTC
[22:25] <Riddell> not yet, but over in far away parts of europe it will be
[22:25] <Arby> has the mayhem starte in #ubuntu-release-party yet then :)
[22:25] <Riddell> good question
[22:26] <Arby> apparently not
[22:28] <Riddell> Arby: able to do some late night CD testing in a bit?
[22:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: able to do some not so late night CD testing in a bit?
[22:28] <Arby> Riddell: how long is a bit?
[22:28] <Riddell> Arby: "half an hour"
[22:28] <jussi01> Riddell: FYI I just forwarded #kubuntu-kde4 to #kubuntu
[22:29] <Riddell> ah, jussi01, just the man for some late night CD testing :)
[22:29] <Arby> yes I can do a bit
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: got some homework I'm supposed to do i na bit
[22:29]  * Arby pokes rsync into life
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> plus working around the kernel bug that prevents the livecd/latest kernel from booting is no fun
[22:29] <jussi01> Riddell: I have 1 eye on bed, considering its 00.30 here and Im working tomorrow. :(
[22:30] <Riddell> jussi01: fair enoughski
[22:31]  * jussi01 debates getting some coffee...
[22:31] <Arby> Riddell: do we need full tests or just 'does it install?'
[22:33] <Riddell> Arby: does it install pretty much
[22:33] <Riddell> jussi01: where is "here"?
[22:33] <jussi01> Riddell: Helsinki
[22:34] <Riddell> not somewhere I've managed to get to yet
[22:35] <jussi01> That reminds me, anyone in midlands of the UK Ill be there next week if you want some company for a beer or coffee.
[22:35] <Riddell> smarter might be
[22:35] <jussi01> Liverpool/manchedster area
[22:35] <Riddell> davmor2 too
[22:35] <Riddell> oh, I believe that's what the English call "the north"
[22:35] <davmor2> What?
[22:35] <jussi01> Riddell: you should come some day, its a lovely place - just dont come in january...
[22:36] <Riddell> England considers the north to begin somewhere in the middle
[22:36] <jussi01> hehe
[22:36] <jussi01> Riddell: I said UK :D :P
[22:36] <Riddell> (to be fair, the central belt is hardly in the centre of Scotland)
[22:36] <Arby> except for English people from the real north :)
[22:36] <davmor2> Riddell: no that's Londoners :P
[22:36] <Arby> who call Manchester south
[22:37] <jussi01> you crack me up :P
[22:37] <Riddell> Arby: Manchester is just a suburb of London from here :)
[22:37] <Arby> well said :)
[22:37] <jussi01> hehe
[22:37] <jussi01> anyway, now I really am going to bed...
[22:37] <jussi01> I see you all tomorrow.
[22:38] <Riddell> sleep tight
[22:38] <Arby> and the madness has commenced in -release-party :)
[22:39] <Arby> must .... not ..... bait  .... the trolls
[22:39] <Arby> but it's so tempting :)
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> bait them 'bout what?
[22:41] <Riddell> release time I expect
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> soo tempting to hit the publish button on that Kubuntu 8.10 release story...
[22:44] <Riddell> that will annoy a lot of people (mostly the marketing department of canonical who will start getting late night phone calls)
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, you guys get calls when things are released, or just when people say things are released that arent' released?
[22:45] <Riddell> the marketing people do I believe
[22:45] <Riddell> I've only occationally got phone calls, never on release day as far as I mind
[22:48] <Socceroos> Riddell: I've just finished the initial rsync.....are those fresh ISO's up yet?
[22:48] <Riddell> Socceroos: not yet it seems, still waiting for the gears of the publisher to turn
[22:49] <Socceroos> Riddell: the suspense.....
[22:50] <Socceroos> does 8.10 come with a kde4 port of networkmanager applet?
[22:51] <Riddell> Socceroos: sadly not, it isn't ready yet
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> it's infantile at the moment
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> the plasma people started cooking it into existance a week or two ago
[22:51] <Socceroos> Riddell: doh! i was really looking forward to that...... Does the old one have updated support for the 3G networking stuff?
[22:52] <a|wen> looks like the live-cd's just got up :)
[22:52] <Riddell> Socceroos: not to speak of :(
[22:52] <Riddell> a|wen: hmm?  nothing new up yet
[22:52] <Socceroos> Riddell:  ......argh. Thats the main reason I wanted to upgrade....
[22:53] <a|wen> Riddell: Kubuntu Desktop i386 (20081029.1) on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all ?
[22:53] <Socceroos> looks like i'll have to install the ubuntu applet and use that. Hopefully it works as expected.
[22:57] <Riddell> a|wen: ok, confirmed, let's get testing
[22:57] <Riddell> Socceroos, vorian, Arby: time for rsyncing dudes
[22:57] <a|wen> i've already updated mine using rsync :)
[22:58] <Arby> ok
[23:00] <Socceroos> ok
[23:01] <Riddell> our last three days of testing need redone in one night!  all hands to the ISOs!
[23:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: able to test?
[23:01] <Arby> I need a bigger pipe
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nope :(
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> busy finding inverses of matrices
[23:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm sure you could write a programme to do that :)
[23:02] <Socceroos> Riddell: same rsync command?
[23:02] <Riddell> Socceroos: yep
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[23:08] <dwidmann> Hmm, I can test an ISO before I go to bed
[23:08] <Riddell> dwidmann: excellent, grab from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/  or rsync if you already have a recent one
[23:08] <Riddell> report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all when installed
[23:09] <dwidmann> Riddell: it'll be a while before I can do it though, probably about 8 hours from now ... or is that too late to be useful (silly bandwidth restrictions of a greedy ISP :( )
[23:09] <Riddell> dwidmann: that would still be useful
[23:10] <Riddell> a|wen-testing: how's it looking?
[23:10] <dwidmann> Riddell: okay ... I'll test the amd64 ISO as soon as I can then
[23:10] <Riddell> thanks
[23:11] <Arby> Riddell: are we going to co-ordinate here or should we join the #u-testing team ?
[23:11] <a|wen-testing> Riddell: going slow, my vm is on a laptop without cpu virtualization ... but apart from that, good :)
[23:11] <Riddell> Arby: I'm just going to do every test I can
[23:12] <Riddell> Arby: but if you say what you plan to do here others might be able to do other tests as appropriate
[23:12] <Arby> fair enough, desktop has landed. I'll start with entire disk
[23:12] <dwidmann> Riddell: would it be more useful if I did the live or the alternate?
[23:12] <Riddell> dwidmann: live
[23:12] <Riddell> Arby: great (I can't do that one :)
[23:13] <KDesk> hi
[23:13] <Riddell> hi KDesk, able to do some install tests?
[23:13] <a|wen-testing> Arby: i'm in the process of "entire disk" from the "live" option
[23:13] <KDesk> Riddell I think yes :)
[23:13] <Arby> a|wen-testing: ok I'll do manual instead then
[23:13] <Riddell> don't be too afraid to duplicate, we do want duplicates too
[23:14] <Riddell> KDesk: excellent, grab from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/  or rsync if you already have a recent one, report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all when installed
[23:14] <a|wen-testing> Arby: then we can switch manual vs. entire by choosing the install option :)
[23:14] <Riddell> installing in ! english is a useful test too
[23:14] <Arby> sounds like a plan
[23:14] <KDesk> Riddell I have rc, how do I rsync?
[23:15] <Riddell> KDesk: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso .
[23:15] <Riddell> KDesk: s/i386/amd64/ as appropriate
[23:15] <a|wen-testing> Riddell: i'll do the next one in danish
[23:15] <Socceroos> 48% through rsync.....
[23:16] <Socceroos> waiting waiting....
[23:16] <KDesk> Riddell ok. Btw, I have installed rc (i386 )and everything is OK.
[23:16] <Riddell> also testing the install only mode is a useful one even if not on the iso tracker site since that has been breaking quite a bit in past builds
[23:16] <Arby> Riddell: install only? as in not start the live session?
[23:17] <Arby> that's what I always do
[23:17] <Riddell> KDesk: there's been quite a few updates since then, and unfortunately we've had this night-before rebuild just done so all the last few days testing needs redone toot sweet
[23:17] <KDesk> ok :)
[23:17] <Riddell> Arby: glad someone does :)
[23:18] <a|wen-testing> Riddell: i think the test should be split up for live+install and install-only for jaunty
[23:19] <Riddell> a|wen-testing: I agree, !english should be added too.  trouble is it's hard to change the tests in that site, needs database fiddling apparantly
[23:19] <Riddell> anyway, rebooting
[23:20] <a|wen-testing> Riddell: and for the alternate cd the entire-disk should be split in LVM and not LVM ... we should in general look at updating them to reflect current situation
[23:23] <dwidmann> Hum, maybe I should dig out one of my old 250's for this.
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: myself and JontheEchidna were looking at the KNotification (to replace KPasivePopup). I have a working solution, but need to know about localization...
[23:32] <rgreening> Riddell: have a look at 1) http://paste.ubuntu.com/64300/ and 2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/64301/
[23:33] <rgreening> 1) is the .notifyrc file (which requires localization I assume).. just not sure what I need to do in the package to allow Rosetta...
[23:37] <Riddell> rgreening: sounds great but can't test tonight, busy install testing
[23:38] <rgreening> np. it was more of a question about ensuring localization gets in there...
[23:38] <rgreening> I'll do up what I can and try and bzr it up
[23:38] <rgreening> you can review/accept/reject at yer leisure... :)
[23:54]  * arby-testing waves and runs away to start the next test
[23:54] <arby-testing> o/
[23:58] <ubuntu> hi
[23:58] <ubuntu> all
[23:58]  * a|wen thinks it is SO cool ... Free software + Ubuntu was on national television for 25 minutes today, in a program that is usually seen by around 12-13 % of the danish population =)
[23:58] <ubuntu> I have a problem with the live cd of Kubuntu 8.10
[23:59] <ubuntu> audio doesn-t work
[23:59] <ubuntu> at all
[23:59] <ubuntu> I have a Asus F6a Laptop