=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [01:44] JontheEchidna: do we have a taepodong-2 for #kubuntu-kde4 yet? [01:45] Riddell, rgreening: I'll be doing 3 talks at next devweek ;-) [01:48] apachelogger: wtf is a taepodong-2? [01:48] JontheEchidna: ask the google :P [01:48] sounds like it could have sexual connotations [01:48] ~google taepodong-2 [01:48] Results for taepodong-2: 1. Taepodong-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2 | 2. Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2) - North Korea: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/missile/td-2.htm | 3. Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2) - North Korea: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/td-2.htm [01:49] apachelogger: the Tumbler has batmissles [01:49] do we have a tumbler? [01:49] if not, Mark Shuttleworth needs to buy us one [01:51] I believe that the above should be discussed at UDS [01:52] wth [01:53] ~np [01:53] ah, probably better anyway [01:53] oh god [01:53] no [01:53] RMS should not make music [01:54] JontheEchidna: btw, I sure know a different meaning for tumbler than the one you were refering to [01:54] apachelogger: the batmobile from batman begins? [01:54] ah, probably best I don't know [01:54] hmmm [01:55] JontheEchidna: check urban dict [01:56] ah, I see [01:57] last.fm is certainly very left wingy for me today [02:10] left wingy? [02:21] apachelogger: good stuff. :) [02:22] ^ re: the 3 talks [02:22] *yawn* [02:22] tired [02:22] ~time [02:22] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Wed Oct 29 03:22 CET [02:22] ~time [02:22] rgreening: America - St Johns - Tue Oct 28 23:52 NDT [02:22] still early 4 me [02:22] :) [02:23] ~time [02:23] JontheEchidna: America - New York - Tue Oct 28 22:23 EDT [02:24] ah screw that [02:24] * apachelogger => cuddling [02:25] lol [02:40] o_o; [02:40] * ScottK has power again. [02:40] * NCommander prefers to fight the power [02:42] power to the programmers [02:44] o/ ScottK [02:44] woo [02:44] ScottK: hows the monitor issue [02:45] rgreening: Got it triaged to an upstreamable bug with bryce. [02:45] It's a clear regression from Hardy. [02:45] cool [02:45] He gave suggestions for workarounds, but since then either $TEENAGERS have been working on homework with the other monitor or we've had no power. [02:46] heh [03:10] nixternal: Krandr was not guilty on my monitor problem. It's a pure X bug. [03:25] Does kdm use .xprofile the same way gdm does? [03:28] OT as I can't seem to dig up any alternatives; where can I buy Kubuntu schwag other than cafe press [03:39] Running xrandr via /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup seems likely to work. [03:55] Seems good so far. [04:13] OK. One box finally upgraded (and two items for the release notes). [04:16] Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd review my work around in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/290156/comments/14 and tell me if that's a sane approach or not [04:16] Launchpad bug 290156 in xorg-server ""Display out of range" after upgrade to Intrepid" [High,Triaged] [04:17] It works, which says a lot for it, but ... [04:29] * ScottK-laptop notes that we still have no Kubuntu amd64 upgrade test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2128 [04:29] That seems to be the only Kubuntu test with no coverage at all. [04:29] * ScottK-laptop has no amd64, so can't help out ... === blizzzek is now known as blizzz === fabo_ is now known as fabo === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:23] Still needing an amd64 upgrade test ... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2128 [10:24] ScottK: I have to leave something still to do :) [10:24] besides the architecture isn't as important as that various kde3/kde4/kde4-ppa upgrades [10:24] ;-) [10:24] True. [10:25] which is what I have been testing, and that annoying x-session-manager alternative is still broken [10:25] I'm just trying to avoid slangasek looking at us funny and wondering why there's a test not done. [10:25] but I've worked out why now, I wonder if I can still update kdebase-workspace [10:26] Riddell: Did you get a chance to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/290156/comments/14 (I mentioned it about 6 hours ago)? [10:26] Launchpad bug 290156 in xorg-server ""Display out of range" after upgrade to Intrepid" [High,Triaged] [10:27] ScottK: X isn't really my area, I'd expect bryce or tjaarlton could comment better [10:27] ScottK: it would presumably be better to work out why X is settings the wrong resolution in the first place [10:28] Riddell: OK. bryce said he thought it was good, but he doesn't know much about KDM. My question for you was more is the the right spot to be picking at KDM. [10:28] Riddell: Yes, that's a clear bug and bryce has sent it upstream. [10:28] In the meantime my kid's computer works again. [10:28] ScottK: that seems to be a sensible place to do what's trying to be done yes [10:29] Riddell: Thanks. [10:30] Riddell: My 14 year old, who is not very technical at all, was really excited about setting up widgets on her desktop. It's the first time I recall her excited about something she could do on the computer. [10:30] KDE4 is great. [10:32] I'll quote you on that :) [10:32] Absolutely. [10:33] Riddell: Her quote was, "Dad, guess what? I figured out widgets. They are SO cool!" [10:33] ScottK: what widgets does she use? [10:34] She has one that displays comics. It had Garfield last I saw. [10:34] She had her TODO on the yellow sticky note ont. [10:34] ont/one [10:34] I think she had a calculator one too. [10:35] Mind you she'd just started figuring it out. It's their computer that I had the resolution hell with. [10:35] I expect it'll get insanely more complex when she's had more than an hour or so to play with it. [10:36] Riddell: She's also the one I had do the dist-upgrade as a test. She got through the instructions fine. [10:37] that is good to hear [10:38] She got a little nervous when I told her she was going to upgrade the compter and I was just going to watch, but it worked out. [10:40] Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 1 day left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [10:40] Woops. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 1 day left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [11:38] 11:30 < slangasek> Riddell: for the release note for bug #280762, you had written "This issue only occurs for some, and not all": doesn't it affect all who have static IP connections? [11:38] Launchpad bug 280762 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager under kde4 doesn't recognize the static IP connections that I have configured. " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280762 [11:38] nixternal: ^^ [11:56] Riddell: any reason that the hooks run with synaptic (if installed) rather than adept in update-notifier-kde.py [11:57] rgreening: I logged a bug about that somewhere, don't think it got anywhere [11:58] yeah, I now just found it happened to me. I couldn't dup before... now I have. [11:58] It seems it's reading some default from a config file... just got to find it [11:59] here it is, bug 288653 [11:59] Launchpad bug 288653 in update-notifier-kde "Refreshing package lists in KDE should prefer Adept over Synaptic" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288653 [12:00] rgreening: such as what? [12:01] I have a file which was created in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d called apt-auth-failure.note. [12:01] It contains the following entry... Command: gksu -- synaptic --non-interactive --update-at-startup --hide-main-window [12:01] update-notifier-kde runs this hook which uses synaptic [12:02] the dir is part of this package: update-notifier-common [12:02] that's a bug with the hook [12:03] this is inconsistant behaviour with the rest of update-notifier-kde [12:03] yeah [12:03] bug listed above [12:04] it's not a bug with update-notifier-kde, it's a bug with apt (or whatever ships the faulty hook) [12:04] Riddell: ok, where to look? [12:05] apt [12:05] the file is /usr/share/apt/apt-auth-failure.note [12:05] ok, I'll dl and look [12:08] it needs replaced with a script which checks for synaptic && gksu and runs that else checks for install-package and runs that [12:09] Riddell: apt-0.7.14ubuntu6/share/apt-auth-failure.note [12:09] in the source, it's just a plain hardcoded txt file [12:11] yes [12:12] question, if apt has a problem, it should never depend on running a gui like synaptic, right? shouldn't it just execute a sudo in terminal via the x-term alternatives? only neutral thing to try [12:13] if the update failed, having an upgrade hook for update-notifier seems a sensible way of having the user run it at a time when it has a chance of not failing [12:14] using synaptic or install-package is far preferable for users than an xterm they won't understand [12:14] Riddell, yes, but what I am saying is that apt itself is depending on having synaptic installed, but it may not be [12:15] so, what is the correct upgrade hook command to put in there? [12:15] rgreening: upgrade hooks only ever got run through update-notifier [12:16] until recently when I wrote update-notifier-kde so now they get run for kde us [12:16] rgreening: a script which will check for the DE and use the correct install method [12:16] users too [12:16] (and failback to xterm if everything else fails) [12:16] *fallback [12:17] I'll attach apt to the bug. Not sure how to proceed further though [12:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/009371.html << Riddell: what's that for? [12:21] bug updated. anyone feel free to make suggestion on how to fix [12:21] :) [12:23] smarter: skim got demoted so only scim available which brings in a load of gtk bits, not suitable for CD [12:24] ok [12:24] why did skim got demoted? [12:24] because it's kde3? [12:24] so what'd the importance be for bug 290620? [12:24] Launchpad bug 290620 in adept "Untranslatable strings in Adept 3.0beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290620 [12:24] rgreening: write a bash script which does the right thing depend on what's installed, add it to apt, change the hook to run that === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:24] smarter: it dosen't work with kde 4 apparantly [12:24] oh [12:25] no kde4 port in work? [12:25] smarter: not that I know of :( [12:26] shame :/ [12:28] Riddell: ok, I'll have a look at that today. So, 1) script for proper detection 2) update the hook file to run the script 3) update apt to install said script. Any suggestions on where the script should live on the system? and an acceptible name (any convention) [12:31] /usr/lib/apt/apt-auth-failure-update [12:31] to detect which DE is running you could try: $DESKTOP_SESSION [12:31] k. on it boss :) [12:31] ty smarter [12:32] I think it will be find what's installed and then check which DE is running and prefer the native one if installed, then fallback to any other installed. [12:34] metellius: it's in /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake [12:34] and part of kdelibs5-dev [12:34] chan? [12:34] metellius: it may help to add this to cmake -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps [12:34] rgreening: he got told to go away from the other channel :) [12:35] oh my [12:35] how rude [12:35] lol [12:35] o/ metellius [12:35] hmm [12:35] :) [12:36] :) [12:36] why does adept launches an update when I click on the button supposed to launch software-properties-kde? [12:36] actually, both buttons in the "fetch lists" tab of adept installer have the same effect [12:36] omg, bad bad adept bug. double-clicking a file in the details section can actionally rename it. I mistakently renamed /usr/bin/adept to /usr/bin/df [12:37] wtf [12:37] omg [12:37] lol [12:37] oh, I understand [12:37] * rgreening has to try it [12:37] software-properties-kde is borken for LANG != C [12:37] metellius: I doubt it'll really change it [12:37] Riddell: ^ [12:37] JontheEchidna: no, it actually did [12:37] Riddell: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 22-23: invalid data [12:37] o.O [12:37] I can run adept now by /usr/bin/df [12:38] holy crap [12:38] metellius: bug opened for this? [12:38] i discovered it < 2 min ago [12:39] k. open a bug and paste it here [12:39] we'll look at it asap. this is critical [12:39] and a BIG security problem [12:39] nop, you have r00t privileges when you launch Adept [12:40] do you really need a bug when I tell you the easy way to reproduce it right here? [12:40] but, software-properties-kde b0rken if you're not speaking us english is a serious bug [12:40] metellius: I'll take care of the Kubuntu formalities like bug reporting [12:40] metellius: yes. absolutely [12:40] smarter: been known forever , bug 133937 [12:40] Launchpad bug 133937 in software-properties "software-properties-kde crashed with error " 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 27-28"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133937 [12:40] Oo [12:41] nobody fixed it? :O [12:41] ok, JontheEchidna, you got this one [12:41] I wonder [12:42] oh, nvm [12:42] i don't see how it's a security problem, but I do see how it's bad because it will ruin the stability of the packages [12:42] so where do the bug go? launchpad some place? [12:42] metellius: true, security may be a bit overstated. but it is big [12:42] I have never placed a kubuntu bug before [12:43] JontheEchidna: you going to open bug for metellius or want me to assist in a walkthough... [12:43] rgreening: I'm going to file a bug here and upstream [12:43] JontheEchidna: cool... metellius ^^ [12:43] if b.k.o was working :/ [12:43] yay. [12:43] metellius: and yes, launchpad is the place to file bugs. it's actually quite easy. cheers [12:45] ok, seems my DNS is down but I can still chat :/ [12:45] brb, restarting router [12:47] the good thing is that the bug is probably easy enough to solve, just flip a few Qt switches here and there to disable editing [12:59] Riddell: kubuntu upgrade from kde 3 to intrepid = fail [13:00] Riddell: mvo is double checking it [13:01] ! [13:02] Riddell: some nvidia issues bug 290638 [13:02] Launchpad bug 290638 in update-manager "kubuntu upgrade error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290638 [13:08] Riddell: what would my new e-mail alias be. I've tested a few alternatives. none work. [13:10] rgreening: they take a while to come through and it will be your launchpad username at kubuntu.org/ubuntu.com [13:11] ok, tried the ubuntu with LP name. bounced back [13:11] rgreening: IIRC I had to ask a question on LP to get it added. [13:11] rgreening: took nearly a week for mine to activate [13:12] BTW, now that release day is almost here, it's marketing time. [13:12] Blog, blog, blog ... [13:12] I think you'll like my latest one when it hits planet. [13:12] get your apples here, get your grapes 2lb a pound [13:13] oh wrong market [13:13] rgreening: how are you testing it? from gmail? [13:13] iirc, the emails alias are set/updated once a month [13:14] mornfall: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173830 [13:14] KDE bug 173830 in general "Adept allows editing filenames in Details view" [Normal,New] [13:14] rgreening: oh, and what's your LP ID? [13:15] Hobbsee, rgreening: are we talking about the @kubuntu.org address ... mine doesn't work either (get an address not in virtual alias table) [13:15] ah [13:15] (and yes) === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [13:17] Hobbsee: I tested from my work address. [13:17] i supposed it was because their script wasn't running [13:17] Hobbsee: roderick-greening [at] ubuntu.com should be the addy.. which isn't in the virt table [13:18] ahhh [13:22] It's there now ... [13:55] morning [13:55] morning [13:56] how are things nixternal? [13:56] a little cloudy this morning :) [13:57] our company won the Chicago Technology Innovation Awards last night so we had a huge ceremony [13:57] congrats [13:57] my picture will be in the next issue of business week :) [13:57] woohoo [13:58] now the business world will know who I am!!! and I even have a "Free and Open Source Software" quote in my interview :) [13:59] wow, ill have to grab the next bussiness week then [14:03] How can I change the color of an KDE3 application in Inrepid? There is no kcontrol packages anymore. :-( [14:03] I'm an Ubuntu user (with Gnome), however I like Amarok and digikam. [14:03] In Hardy that was easy. [14:05] try changing it using systemsettings; not sure if it works for kde3 apps [14:05] but this is a support question, not a dev question --> #kubunu [14:05] *#kubuntu [14:06] Actuall #kubuntu-kde4 [14:06] Actuall/Actually [14:06] until tomorrow [14:07] i cant believe another release is almost done [14:08] naerly there [14:10] ok [14:12] smarter: I can't even get software-properties-kde to run in non english [14:15] smarter: ah but importing that key breaks things === sebas_ is now known as sebas [14:41] Riddell: If they're going to have to respin (see #ubuntu-release), maybe the kdm fix could get in? [14:44] respin? [14:45] goodness [14:46] Yes, so I thought you'd want to at least consider it. [14:47] it's not something that affects the CDs actually, it only affects upgrades [15:06] http://www.kubuntu.org/ who sees a stray 'a' there? [15:07] It affects people using the CDs for upgrades which apparently a lot of people do (I've never really understood it) [15:09] <\sh> Riddell: in firefox, I don't see any stray 'a'...should it be there? [15:10] \sh: seems "Candidate" was word wrapping from the top banner [15:11] <\sh> Riddell: in firefox the whole page doesn't even wordwrap ;) [15:21] Wahoo! Two entries in the official release notes from one upgrade. [15:28] Riddell: almost got the apt script written... it's fun thinking in bash again... [15:28] that has to be sarcasm, bash is never fun :) [15:29] <\sh> bash IS fun [15:29] dripping as it were... [15:29] Riddell: There are people that enjoy most any type of pain you can imagine and no doubt some you can't. [15:29] I prefer perl for my quick hacks [15:30] <\sh> good to know that admins are mostly the "M" part of "SM" ;) [15:30] I once wrote a commercial app that was 250,000 lines in perl (plus documenting the code). Actual code was prob 100K lines [15:30] * ScottK wonders if \sh reads BOFH. That's the 'S' part. [15:31] lart [15:31] <\sh> ScottK: BOFH is first level ,-) [15:31] <\sh> ScottK: BOFH is dealing with users...I'm dealing with problems below osi layer 8 ,-) [15:36] <\sh> ScottK: did you ever play around with powershell of MS in the past? [15:51] <_gunni_> Everytime i try to add new plasma applet kde is crashing (Intrepid 64bit). Any known bug about this? [15:57] Riddell: with synaptic, the apt hook can get it to refetch the sources list. adept doesn't ssem to have this command line option (unless I am reading it incorrectly). adept updater installs updates if available but only re-fetches the list if updates are available. Should we update updater to fetch or add a new opt to adept? [16:00] <_gunni_> ok, also crashes when i try to set a new background in desktop settings [16:02] rgreening: use install-package --update [16:02] oh.. hmmm.. ok, let me check === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [16:03] _gunni_: works for me [16:03] <_gunni_> I tried deleting plasmarc and plasmaappletrc, but that did not help [16:04] <_gunni_> How can i get better info or you on that crash? [16:04] <_gunni_> s/or/for [16:11] _gunni_: you could try installing the dbg packages and running it through gdb with --nofork [16:15] <_gunni_> All kde4 dbg packages or just the plasma ones? And what should i run in gdb? [16:19] _gunni_: kdebase-workspace-dbg should be enough [16:19] then kquitapp plasma && gdb plasma [16:19] set args --nofork [16:19] run [16:19] then when it crashes, backtrace [16:20] <_gunni_> i will try [16:20] but normally when it crashes there's a popup [16:20] and you can click on "details" or something like that and see the backtrace(if the dbg packages are installed) [16:20] <_gunni_> It just crashes and i am at login screen [16:21] hmm, that's probably a video driver related crash [16:21] what's your graphic card? [16:21] <_gunni_> nvidia [16:23] Riddell: ok, written. but, one small issue .. if I kill the install-package before it finishes, the script hangs. Is this a prob with the script needing to trap certain signals or a problem with install-package not handling a close gracefully? [16:26] Riddell: nm. I never waited long enough for it to terminate. Works 100%!!!!! [16:29] <_gunni_> Is there a way to output the gdb output to a file, as gdb seems to not catch the crash and i landed on login screen again. [16:32] Riddell: poke - just fired you an e-mail. have a look at the attached script. [16:36] * ScottK-laptop notes that the FAQ about .hidden for Edgy can be deleted off the web site. [16:37] the FAQ probably needs a few updates for 8.10 [16:37] Actually the entire FAQ could use an overhaul. [16:37] ;-) [16:38] let me know if you want a crack at it :) [16:41] Riddell: I can do at least some basic cleanup. Would a patch to the html source work or how should I send you changed? [16:44] _gunni_: you should start gdb from a tty [16:44] ctrl+alt+f1 --> login/pass --> DISPLAY=:0 gdb [16:44] then ctrl+alt+f7, make it crashes, go back to ctrl+alt+f1 and type backtrace [16:45] (with the kquitapp, set args and other stuff in the middle) [16:45] <_gunni_> kk, i will try [16:45] ScottK-laptop: voila [16:46] Thanks. [16:46] * ScottK-laptop makes a TODO while fighting $WORK fires. [17:05] <_gunni_> now how can i copy the output from the teminal somewhere? [17:06] <_gunni_> smarter: now how can i copy the output from the teminal somewhere? [17:06] _gunni_: hmm I didn't think about that :/ [17:06] there might be a gdb command [17:07] the other option is to make it crashes again, but this times start gdb with DISPLAY=:0 gdb |tee ~/plasma-crash.txt [17:07] then it will be in your home directory in the file plasma-crash.txt [17:08] <_gunni_> i ll try brb [17:08] hmm, the exact command is DISPLAY=:0 gdb plasma | tee ~/plasma-crash.txt [17:22] <_gunni_> smarter: plasma seemed to not start complete (no background or plsamoids) but i could right click and got the crash on changing background. I hope that wont influence the output: http://pastebin.com/m694d6924 [17:28] Moin [17:29] Riddell: anything specifc you want me to test? [17:30] And is there anything I can do to get a comment on this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/289106 [17:30] Launchpad bug 289106 in xorg "OpenGL issues on Intel GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller" [Undecided,New] [17:34] _gunni_: unfortunately I don't really understand what's going on here, fill a bug report on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu with your pastebin attached so that it doesn't get lost [17:35] _gunni_: have this worked before? does it works with a live-CD? [17:36] <_gunni_> It did work a while ago, but i dont remember whe i last added plasmoids or changed background, so i cant say what broke it [17:36] <_gunni_> i can try with a live cd tomorrow (have to watch soccer in an hour :) ) [17:37] okay [17:37] fill a bug report with all these informations when you'll have tested and link it here [17:40] <_gunni_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/290799 [17:40] Launchpad bug 290799 in ubuntu "[intrepid] kde crashing on changing background" [Undecided,New] [17:41] <\sh> _gunni_: hmmm? I'm changing backgrounds on 2 plasma enabled desktop on two screens as slideshow...works perfectly [17:42] \sh: With nv video? [17:42] <_gunni_> It worked some time ago, as i had a different background [17:42] <\sh> ScottK: ati [17:42] My spider sense says it's a video driver issue, but I haven't actually looked at the bug or anything. [17:43] <_gunni_> nvidia may be a cause of course [17:43] if it logs you out then that probably means X is crashing [17:43] and then plasma probably crashes since X dies [17:44] Im having few annoying problems with my RC Intrepid. Mainly most of my settings wont survive program restarts, logouts or reboots. [17:47] Whats weird is that I can grep the corresponding lines from conf files but after a reboot *poof* they vanish like magic untill I go thru the ordeal of reconfiguring everything by hand. === afiestas is now known as afiestas_office [17:50] And its not on some spesific program or subset of programs that suffer from this. System Settings wont hold my icon settings, widget theme or window theme. Kontact and programs running under it forget their settings. Akregator being worst that it doesnt even apply some when hitting Apply/Ok. [17:51] Nakkel: and does it works for non-kde apps? [17:52] Yea, I tried running Gnome for few days and everything was dandy there. Except that I couldnt find much to configure anyway. ;) [17:53] hehe [17:56] Is the "How do I play mp3 files the same for Intrepid as it was for Hardy? [17:56] https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/faq#mp3 [17:57] Err https://www.kubuntu.org/faq#mp3 [17:58] * ScottK-laptop assumes it is and updates the FAQ. [18:01] Riddell: The FAQ is now up to "not obviously out of date to a casual observer". It could use more work. [18:07] As a bonus, I added one Intrepid specific one. https://www.kubuntu.org/faq#settings - That's it for now. Someone else's turn. [18:09] Riddell: on the release notes there's an entry about ath_pci this doesn't work with knetworkmanager without restarting it, is that worth going on then? [18:13] xerosis: what's the release note say? [18:13] does it work with gnome nm-applet? [18:15] Riddell: it's about unloading it and reloading it for suspend [18:15] I presume it does with nm-applet, not tried it though [18:24] Amarok 1.4 is the default player still right? [18:24] eeanm: right [18:24] ok cool [18:25] just making sure you all aren't smoking whatever Mandriva is smoking [18:25] :) [18:25] with amarok2 available through an external-yet-official repository [18:25] ;-) [18:25] perfect [18:26] with which I am currently seeing if I can get it to compile with device support [18:27] mandriva made amarok2 default? they want to know if their bugs tracker can support tons of new reports? :P [18:27] apparently [18:27] Mandriva does do weird stuff like that [18:31] Riddell: what's the best way to force a hooks run? [18:32] rgreening: kill update-notifier-kde, rm ~/.kde/share/config/update-notifier-kderc, start it again [18:32] that file logs the ones which have already been done [18:32] ok [18:33] also check it isn't showAfterReboot=false or whatever that key is [18:35] Hi, this is my first login here, I respond to the "more testers wanted" by jridell [18:35] marc_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [18:35] I tried to do an upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 following the instructions on kubuntu.org [18:36] oh, testing that is good too :) [18:36] hi marc_, how did the upgrade go? [18:36] Riddell: It works. ty. [18:36] but nothing happens after downloading the upgrade tool [18:36] marc_: no "Version Upgrade" button on adept? [18:37] yes, if I press this button, I get a window that does the download of the upgrade sw [18:37] that's promising [18:37] I see that it downloads something [18:38] but the upgrade does not start [18:38] marc_: does the window close or stay open? [18:38] it stays open until I click finish [18:39] marc_: which step is it at? [18:39] I have to click two times next I think and then finish [18:40] marc_: and it doesn't install the upgrades? [18:40] no, the window closes and nothing further happens [18:41] marc_: could you report a bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug [18:41] marc_: attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* [18:41] marc_: also a screenshot of the tool in its final state might be useful [18:41] ok, i'll do that [18:42] Riddell: bug 288653 needs sponsoring. debdiff in the bug. [18:42] Launchpad bug 288653 in apt "Refreshing package lists in KDE should prefer Adept over Synaptic" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288653 === thomas__ is now known as galtom [18:44] rgreening: looks good to me at a glace, mvo is the man for apt, you'd need to ask him if you think it would be suitable for a SRU [18:45] mvo not around... [18:49] rgreening: he's on irc, might be away to tea I suppose, or michael.vogt@ubun tu.com [18:50] Riddell: The 14 year old that found widgets yesterday is now teaching her older sister about them. :-) [18:50] kde svn 870165 [18:50] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=870165&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 870165 [18:50] ScottK: plasmoids seem like a good marketing tool, we should try and have as many as possible available in jaunty [18:51] We need a few more of apachelogger's Bat Team to get their MOTU applications in. [18:52] I'm going to get a few merges under me belt before submitting an motu app, considering I got involved pretty much after merges were done [18:58] rgreening: thanks for fixing that bug :) [18:59] np. took a bit of bash'ing :P [19:04] interesting feature: setting cpu governor (through the app in systray) to "powersave" locks my screen (asks for password) [19:04] has anyone mentioned that today? :) [19:04] this is not clean 8.10 install but gradually upgraded 8.04 kde4 remix -> 8.10 beta -> ... [19:05] nope, haven't seen anybody mention that [19:05] reisi: funky [19:05] reisi: report a bug to bugs.kde.org please on guidance-power-manager [19:06] Riddell: roger that [19:07] it can be changed to dynamic or performance with no issues, but powersave triggers locking, this really is funky :) [19:08]