[00:06] <ethana2> Has anyone here installed skype on 32 bit Ubuntu 8.10?
[00:06] <ethana2> Would the instructions for getting it working be any different from those for hardy?
[00:07] <zerwas> which instructions?
[00:09] <dug_> ethana2: i have skype 2 installed in intrepid using the medibuntu repository
[00:09] <dug_> !medibuntu
[00:09] <ethana2> Ok, did you use the static-oss version?
[00:09] <dug_> i just used whatever medibuntu provides
[00:09] <ethana2> did it Just Work or did you have to mess with stuff?
[00:10] <dug_> it works for me, although the medibuntu server's been swamped, and another guy said it didn't work for him
[00:11] <ethana2> hmmm..  you didn't edit any configuration files or remove pulseaudio?
[00:12] <ethana2> ethan@home:~$ install skype
[00:12] <ethana2> [sudo] password for ethan:
[00:12] <dug_> i just did the echo test and it worked.  i don't know if i have pulseaudio installed
[00:12] <ethana2> ...I guess I'll see...  Well 8.10 comes with PA, so if you didn't remove it...
[00:12] <marshtomp> whats the difference between nano and pico
[00:13] <dug_> i am using a regular headset, not a usb one
[00:13] <_ykram> -3
[00:13] <dulak> marshtomp: pico is not gpl
[00:14] <louise> hello, is this device supposed to work in the new kernel? Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[00:14] <ethana2> dug_: skype sees a 'pulse' device, I told it to use it and it seems to work!
[00:14] <dug_> cross your fingers :)
[00:16] <_ykram>  louise install linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[00:18] <louise> yram thanks
[00:23] <aurel42> anyone got an idea how to get audio with Java (Web Start) applications without starting them in a VirtualBox running Windows?
[00:23] <ethana2> dug_: I can hear other people, but they can't hear me, I went through and made sure everything was enabled and tried all the devices...
[00:23] <ethana2> dug_: after release someone'll figure it out
[00:24] <DJTachyon> hey all .. im looking for the SunJDK ...
[00:24] <DJTachyon> for Intrepid
[00:25] <DJTachyon> help?
[00:25] <louise> =[
[00:26] <louise> that didn't do it
[00:26] <TuxSympathiser> DJTachyon, as far as I know sun java6jdk is in the repo
[00:26] <DJTachyon> doesnt show up in adept
[00:27] <TuxSympathiser> have you enables all of the repositories?
[00:27] <TuxSympathiser> DJTachyon, try enabling the multiverse and restricted repositories
[00:28] <DJTachyon> lemme try
[00:30] <DJTachyon> how do i enable said things
[00:30] <TuxSympathiser> in adept click settings and then select repositories
[00:31] <DJTachyon> only thing i see is sources and edit software sources, everythign is checked int here
[00:31] <louise> my wifi still is not working
[00:32] <TuxSympathiser> ok click update
[00:32] <DJTachyon> if i do a "apt-cache search --names-only jdk" then is shows up, but not in adept
[00:32] <TuxSympathiser> then search for sun
[00:32] <louise> I have that atheros card
[00:32] <louise> =[
[00:32] <bsnider> louise, the ath5k module drives that card. it is in the backports package
[00:32] <DJTachyon> ack now nothing shows up!
[00:32] <DJTachyon> lol
[00:33] <DJTachyon> okay
[00:33] <louise> bsnider, I installed the backports package, but that didnt help... I don't know what happened... it was working earlier today
[00:33] <DJTachyon> still just the JRE
[00:34] <TuxSympathiser> DJTachyon, hmm sorry no idea
[00:34] <DJTachyon> alright im just gonna install from the command line
[00:35] <DJTachyon> k working fine
[00:35] <DJTachyon> python is already installed right?
[00:37] <homies> hey, i've just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and am having some problems.
[00:37] <homies> i was redirected to here from #ubuntu.
[00:38] <homies> i've got an nvidia geforce 8800GT and when i try to boot, it doesn't detect my drivers, so it asks me to boot in low graphics mode.
[00:38] <homies> if i continue, or configure then continue, it always just takes me to a black screen where it hangs.
[00:39] <zerwas> upgrade to 8.10 and you are in the right place to ask. ;)
[00:39] <homies> oh. :B
[00:39] <homies> is that available through the update manager, or would i have to get it seperately?
[00:39] <Lamo> anyone know why after upgrading to ibex video cards crap out? I'm getting Error: EnvyNG has dected that the headers for your kernel are missing and cannot be installed.
[00:48] <Ro1> Hello
[00:49] <mn> homies: are you still here?
[00:49] <Ro1> What has changed in the 8.10 release? is it mainly bug fixes? are there any articles I could read? :)
[00:50] <mn> Ro1:  Imho 8.10 is great.  I've been running it and everything seems to be upgraded to me.  You could probably find and article on ubuntu.com
[00:50] <zerwas> homies, 8.10 comes out friday (night?)
[00:51] <mn> homies: in terminal type "update-manager -d" without the quotes to upgrade
[00:51] <Ro1> mn: thanks...can I upgrade via "Wubi" and the package manager?
[00:51] <zerwas> Ro1, for example, 8.10 includes kernel 2.6.27 and GNOME 2.24 http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/
[00:51] <mn> Ro1: I don't know about Wubi, but upgrade-manager -d will give you the option to install
[00:52] <_ykram> what to expect from 8.10 http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2410
[00:52] <Ro1> ^^ thanks, I didn't know the default theme is different
[00:53] <zerwas> it's less different than i hoped ...
[00:53] <_ykram> its just not worth reading :/
[00:53] <CarlFK> anyone know the gcc flag to include debugging symbols?
[00:53] <mn> Ro1: in kde4 the default theme isn't different.  just to let you know.  It is in gnome though.
[00:53] <jgoguen> CarlFK: -g
[00:53] <jgoguen> CarlFK: and 'man gcc' is your friend :)
[00:54] <nickwinl> _ykram and zerwas: kubuntu 8.10 rc is really something, tho.
[00:54] <CarlFK> jgoguen: you are a better friend :)
[00:55] <zerwas> haven't tried KDE for ages
[00:57] <mn> zerwas: man kde ftw imo
[00:58] <zerwas> mn, man dontmakegeekjokes
[00:59] <mn> lol i didn't do that on purpose
[00:59] <Ro1> How long do CDs take to be delivered once ordered? :)
[01:00] <mn> Ro1: can you not download it?
[01:01] <Ro1> mn: I can, but my laptop doesn't have a "CD burn" feature
[01:01] <mn> oh
[01:01] <Ro1> the website said 6-10 weeks, then it said 4-6 weeks...not sure on the correct one <
[01:03] <mn> Once upgraded to 8.10 can one downgrade to 8.04?
[01:03] <Daekdroom> No
[01:03] <CarlFK> nm: no.
[01:04] <alteregoa> is there a way to sort folders alphabetically in linux?
[01:04] <mn> alteregoa: in ubuntu 8.10 or another os?
[01:04] <CarlFK> segfault ...  0xb7f27d31 in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6   http://dpaste.com/87433/  - can someone tell me what blew so I know who to tell?
[01:05] <alteregoa> ubuntu
[01:05] <CarlFK> alteregoa: like the gui?  View, arange items, name? ?
[01:05] <Rods_Tiger> I burned up many copies of the latest ubuntu release candidate and showed them to my students to use today, and absolutely none of them worked on their machines. It worked on my teachers machine, and on their own laptops. There's a serious fault with the 8.10 rc
[01:05] <alteregoa> no
[01:05] <alteregoa> physicall
[01:05] <nickwinl> mn: I guess you could switch out your primary linux kernel with the secondary kernel providing you backed it up and rerun mkinitrd, but all the 8.10 apps will still be there.
[01:05] <alteregoa> so the first file appears is a and the last z
[01:06] <alteregoa> if i type dir over smb its a chaos
[01:07] <Rods_Tiger> all of their machines said 'Cannot display this video mode'. I had a copy of 7.10 also, and that worked fine on those same student machines
[01:09] <raindog> I have an external monitor hooked to my laptop(that has a damaged lcd).  In gnome I can enter ' xrandr --output LVDS --off' to turn off the lcd and allow the panels to position correctly.  On Kubuntu 8.10 when I enter ' xrandr --output LVDS --off' or turn it off under display settings the keyboard and mouse cease to repond and I have to (alt+sys rq + reisub).  Without turning off the laptop lcd the resolution on the external 
[01:09] <echidnaman> Rods_Tiger: bug konsole, regression size perhaps?
[01:09] <echidnaman> oops
[01:09] <echidnaman> damn copy/paste
[01:09] <echidnaman> Rods_Tiger: bug 290156, perhaps?
[01:10] <mn> how do I get OO.o 3.0 ??
[01:10]  * JontheEchidna wonders where ubottu is
[01:11] <bsnider> it's out grabbing a smoke
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> Rods_Tiger: anyway, https://launchpad.net/bugs/290156
[01:11] <mn> !OpenOffice.org
[01:11] <Rods_Tiger> it's not a javascript error, this is on booting (and failing)
[01:12] <CarlFK>  /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 how do I figure out what .deb that came from?
[01:13] <Ro1> do I need an existing OS for Ubuntu to work?
[01:13] <Rods_Tiger> they put the cd in their machines, it came up saying 'Cannot display this video mode' and that was all
[01:13] <CarlFK> Ro1: no
[01:14] <Ro1> cheers ;)
[01:14] <Rods_Tiger> not related to javascript or windows or suchlike
[01:14] <Rods_Tiger> they were booting from the cd
[01:15] <Rods_Tiger> firefox wasn't even running
[01:15] <Rods_Tiger> that bug describes a completely different scenario
[01:17] <Ro1> possible to run/install ubuntu with 192MB ram?
[01:17] <nickwinl> I'm going from memory here -- Ro's ordeal could be that darn 'no screen(s) found' error that often happens under xorg when you switch monitors or harddrives. It's xserver-xorg-video drama.
[01:17] <nickwinl> oops other nick and he's gone, gone, goonne.
[01:19] <RAdams1> nickwinl: I hate that >.> fortunately, 90% of the time you can just restore your xorg.conf, make 0-3ish changes and you're on your way...
[01:20] <RAdams1> The stupid problems are where just restoring your xorg.conf exactly how you had it fixes it >.<
[01:21] <wgrant> Or you just remove your xorg.conf...
[01:21] <storrgie> what is the easiest way to reinstall evolution?
[01:21] <storrgie> like a fresh install
[01:22] <wgrant> storrgie: Why do you want to?
[01:22] <wgrant> You probably don't want to.
[01:23] <storrgie> wgrant: i downloaded all my email into evolution... (7GB) now evolution will not start
[01:23] <wgrant> Right, so you don't want to reinstall.
[01:23] <bsnider> 7gb?
[01:23] <wgrant> Try moving your ~/.evolution out of the way.
[01:23] <storrgie> bsnider: yea... i have a couple emails
[01:23] <wgrant> Reinstalling will fortunately not overwrite your settings.
[01:23]  * wgrant has a few gigabytes.
[01:23] <wgrant> Not quite that much, however.
[01:24] <bsnider> there is no local email client, be it evolution, outlook or thunderbird that was designed to handle that much mail.
[01:24] <wgrant> IMAP ftw.
[01:24] <storrgie> wgrant: can you tell me how imap is better than pop, i am ignorant
[01:25] <wgrant> You keep the email on the server.
[01:25] <coppro> storrgie: imap allows the server to maintain stuff like the folder setup and read/unread mails and stuff
[01:25] <bsnider> keep the messages off your machine. do not take responsibility for managing messages yourself.
[01:25] <wgrant> So you can access it from multiple clients, and the client doesn't have to store many gigabytes of data.
[01:25] <wgrant> And so a client's database corruption won't cause you to lose all of your email.
[01:26] <storrgie> wait... creally coppro? so i could do that with my gmail... set up folders... and it would remain?
[01:26] <coppro> although your client probably allows local copies
[01:26] <coppro> storrgie: yep. That's what I do!
[01:26] <storrgie> coppro: i love you.
[01:26] <coppro> also, as wgrant says, the emails don't have to be stored locally
[01:26] <wgrant> coppro: Right, but I don't get my client to mirror my archived emails.
[01:26] <coppro> wgrant: I do because I'm on a laptop. But it's a personal choice
[01:27] <wgrant> I'm on a laptop too, but I only mirror a few of my folders and inbox.
[01:27] <storrgie> evolution still will not start
[01:27] <storrgie> the only thing im worried about loosing is my contacts
[01:27] <coppro> IMAP can't handle though; you'll have to mirror those
[01:27] <coppro> *copy
[01:28] <storrgie> can i just copy my 'addressbook'?
[01:28] <wgrant> storrgie: Move away ~/.gconf/apps/evolution
[01:28] <bsnider> i wonder if everything is kept in one file, like in outlook, or if the addressbook is separate fromt eh messages
[01:28] <wgrant> That should be the last of your settings gone, so Evo should at least start.
[01:29] <wgrant> bsnider: ~/.evolution and common sense seem to suggest the latter.
[01:30] <bsnider> are you saing putting everything in one massive pst file is a failure of common sense?
[01:30] <coppro> yes
[01:30] <wgrant> bsnider: No. It sounds like a *fantastic* idea.
[01:31] <storrgie> so evolution just does not want to start no matter what
[01:31] <wgrant> storrgie: What is the error that it gives?
[01:31] <coppro> wgrant: yeah. I totally forgot that a monolithic database allows one corrupt entry to bring the entire thing down!
[01:31] <storrgie> no error
[01:31] <storrgie> just never shows up
[01:31] <wgrant> storrgie: Try a terminal...
[01:33] <storrgie> i get a couple like this:
[01:33] <storrgie> (evolution:8528): camel-WARNING **: Could not find key entry for word 'xtvxoo6ustc': Success
[01:33] <shane2peru> how would I get the kde4 desktop installed on ibex?
[01:33] <wgrant> shane2peru: Install kubuntu-desktop
[01:34] <shane2peru> wgrant: that is the kde4 then?
[01:34] <bsnider> camel warning? it's telling you to avoid camels?
[01:34] <wgrant> shane2peru: We have no KDE3.
[01:34] <wgrant> bsnider: Yes. Perl is bad.
[01:34] <shane2peru> wgrant: ooooh, kde3 out the door
[01:34] <shane2peru> wgrant: do you have it?
[01:34] <wgrant> shane2peru: I don't.
[01:35] <wgrant> I'm a GNOME person.
[01:35] <shane2peru> is kde4 better now?  I used it before
[01:35] <shane2peru> wgrant: me too
[01:35] <wgrant> It's very shiny.
[01:35] <storrgie> ok so
[01:35] <wgrant> And somewhat usable now we're at 4.1.
[01:35] <shane2peru> I just like to see it since it si new.
[01:35] <storrgie> im going to just remove evolution
[01:35] <storrgie> and re-install it
[01:35] <storrgie> it appears to be dead
[01:35] <wgrant> shane2peru: The Kubuntu live CD is good.
[01:35] <wgrant> storrgie: That's very unlikely to fix anything.
[01:35] <storrgie> how so? then i can start fresh
[01:35] <shane2peru> storrgie: just move all the evolution config files.
[01:36] <wgrant> That won't remove your settings.
[01:36] <bsnider> it might, since he blew away his userland files
[01:36] <wgrant> Packages cannot touch settings.
[01:36] <storrgie> i didnt blow them away yet
[01:36] <wgrant> And your user can't touch package files.
[01:36] <storrgie> but i could
[01:36] <wgrant> Ooh.
[01:36] <wgrant> You might need to kill e-d-s first.
[01:36] <storrgie> e-d-s?
[01:36] <storrgie> man i feel like formatting
[01:36] <wgrant> Move ~/.gconf/apps/evolution and ~/.evolution out of the way, then log out and in.
[01:36] <storrgie> ok
[01:36] <wgrant> Also, maybe see if it starts in a guest session.
[01:37] <shane2peru> yeah, what wgrant said. :)
[01:37] <wgrant> I always forget that e-d-s sticks around permanently.
[01:37] <storrgie> brb
[01:37] <shane2peru> wgrant: how difficult is it to remove kubuntu-desktop once it is installed?
[01:37] <storrgie> just a cntrl+alt+Bksp right?
[01:37] <bsnider> is that a program that would start in a guest session?
[01:37] <wgrant> bsnider: Yes.
[01:37] <shane2peru> wgrant: I don't like liveCD's
[01:38] <wgrant> shane2peru: You can probably just remove kubuntu-desktop then apt-get autoremove to get rid of it all.
[01:38] <shane2peru> wgrant: that is what I was just thinking myself.
[01:39] <shane2peru> I think I would have to track down a few of those other apps it installs though, because I currently have k3b installed and it doesn't try to remove it when I run autoremove
[01:39] <wgrant> THat's because you installed k3b manually.
[01:40] <shane2peru> wgrant: hmm, I will give it a try, I did like the new look of kde4
[01:41] <storrgie> roar
[01:41] <storrgie> back
[01:41]  * wgrant escapes from storrgie
[01:41] <storrgie> ok is there anything i should know before setting up imap
[01:41] <shane2peru> lol
[01:41] <wgrant> storrgie: It is awesome. That is all.
[01:41] <storrgie> wgrant: newbs need to learn too!
[01:41] <wgrant> Well, actually, it's pretty bad, but it's the best we've got.
[01:42] <wgrant> And it's much better than POP3.
[01:42] <storrgie> i mean like setting it up wise, is there anything that is a bad idea
[01:42] <wgrant> Nothing particularly that I can think of.
[01:42] <storrgie> with gmail is there anything special with setup?
[01:42] <storrgie> imap.gmail.com?
[01:43] <wgrant> I will not use Gmail. I don't know.
[01:43] <shane2peru> storrgie: if you log into gmail, it should tell you all the settings
[01:43] <bsnider> wgrant, because of the privacy issues?
[01:43] <shane2peru> storrgie: click on the help setup button inside your gmail account
[01:43] <storrgie> shane2peru: yea i am right now, i just figured i could ask real quick... like if someone rattled pop I could rattle off all the settings
[01:43] <storrgie> bsnider: privacy>?
[01:44] <shane2peru> storrgie: been too long since I set it up. lol :)
[01:44] <wgrant> bsnider: And due to my general issues with Google's business practices, yes.
[01:45] <storrgie> ohhhhh
[01:45] <bsnider> i'm tyrying to think of what issues those could be
[01:45] <storrgie> custom command here? can tunnel over ssh?
[01:45] <bsnider> they do pay andrew morton
[01:45] <bsnider> all of their stuff is open source
[01:45] <wgrant> They hoard information. Etc. They are generally in a pretty powerful monopoly.
[01:45] <storrgie> but they are not evil
[01:46] <wgrant> Because their motto says they aren't? Sure.
[01:46] <storrgie> wait, when using imap, that is only for recieving mail... not sending
[01:46] <storrgie> you still use smtp with google?
[01:46] <bsnider> google isn't a monopoly. they may have cornered a market, but that's because they're good
[01:46] <wgrant> Yes.
[01:47] <wgrant> bsnider: Pretty much everybody uses Google for at least search.
[01:47] <wgrant> And they're taking over the mail market.
[01:47] <bsnider> because they're good
[01:47] <wgrant> That's not relevant.
[01:47] <bsnider> a monopoly is the ability to outlaw your competition
[01:47] <bsnider> google outcompetes, they do not outlaw
[01:47] <bsnider> the government is the only organization that can be a monopoly
[01:48] <bsnider> 'big' does not mean 'bad'
[01:48] <jgoguen> bsnider: so Microsoft isn't a monopoly?
[01:48] <storrgie> wgrant: is it bad to mess with gmails folder structure?
[01:48] <wgrant> jgoguen: Even though they were found guilty of being a legal monopoly. Of course not!
[01:48] <wgrant> storrgie: No idea.
[01:49] <bsnider> microsoft is protected in part by software patents. i don't believe in that nonsense or any other IP
[01:49] <storrgie> anyone using gmail with imap?
[01:49] <jgoguen> bsnider: I can agree with you there, software shouldn't be patentable
[01:49] <ArkoldThos> heya :)
[01:49] <shane2peru> storrgie: nope, I set mine up with pop.
[01:50] <shane2peru> storrgie: did you enable imap on your gmail account?
[01:51] <storrgie> yea, but i want to 'file' all my emails
[01:51] <storrgie> and i tried to create a new folder... but it doesnt seem to like that
[01:51] <shane2peru> storrgie: ok, but you are able to see your emails?
[01:52] <storrgie> shane2peru: yea i can, i just want to file them... alot.
[01:52] <shane2peru> storrgie: hmm, afraid I can't be of much help there.
[01:53] <shane2peru> storrgie: you may have to play around in the settings and see if evolution is setup allowing new folders to be made.
[01:53] <shane2peru> ok, cya all
[01:54] <brock> i am trying to run the enemy territory quake wars installer. it is an executable file but when I try to execute from the command line it says file not found
[01:54] <brock> the file is definitely present
[01:54] <brock> brock@Mainframe:~/Desktop$ ls -l ETQW-client-1.5-full.x86.run
[01:54] <brock> -rwxrwxrwx 1 brock brock 556383725 2008-10-28 21:34 ETQW-client-1.5-full.x86.run
[01:55] <storrgie> i love you guys, thanks
[01:56] <bigfox> After an upgrade to Intrepid, I am having a problem where programs that I try to load by clicking on them will not load.  However programs that are set to load on login load and work fine.
[01:56] <bigfox> I have a terminal window that loads on startup and when I try to load programs, the terminal output is as fallows:
[01:56] <bigfox> bigfox@KIT:~$ firefox
[01:56] <bigfox> No protocol specified
[01:56] <bigfox> Error: cannot open display: :0.0
[01:56] <bigfox> bigfox@KIT:~$ eog
[01:56] <bigfox> No protocol specified
[01:56] <bigfox> Cannot open display:
[01:56] <bigfox> Run 'eog --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[01:59] <bigfox> Most of the time, the problem goes away when I log out and log back in, but I must do that every time I start up the machine.
[02:22] <gaelfx> hey, my Exaile seems to have mysteriously stopped working, it can't read the database file, does anyone have any idea why that might be?
[02:22] <ytoox> I have a sony vaio laptop and the integrated microphone does not work, neither the microphone jack. I tried installing backports following a tutorial but the problem persists. I am using intrepid
[02:22] <ytoox> can someone help me?
[02:23] <Astral_Enigma> ytoox: What sound system are you using?
[02:23] <ytoox> pulseaudio
[02:23] <jbg7474> Intrepid + Palm device = no synch!  Can anyone help?
[02:24] <bozza> hi
[02:24] <Astral_Enigma> Have you checked in the device settings that it's picking up the microphone as a capture device?
[02:24] <bozza> guys i have a problem with synaptic manager
[02:24] <bozza> its not finding anything
[02:24] <Astral_Enigma> My default Intrepid settings had it using a different device for capture for some reason
[02:24] <bozza> i tried deleting sources.list
[02:24] <bozza> and redoing it . but still it doesnt find anything
[02:25] <coppro> you deleted sources.list?
[02:25] <Astral_Enigma> Once I pointed my capture device to PulseAudio, it solved the problem, as I already had my devices configured in pulse
[02:25] <ytoox> Astral_Enigma: yes, and when I use skype it does not record anything
[02:26] <ytoox> I got some other options for microphone but I really don't know what's best
[02:26] <gaelfx> ytoox: well, does your mic work in other apps?
[02:26] <bozza> coppro yes i did . and i reticked all the things in software sources . so it made a new sources.list
[02:26] <bozza> but still didnt work
[02:27] <ytoox> gaelfx: nop
[02:27] <wgrant> bozza: What does 'sudo apt-get update' tell you?
[02:27] <bozza> one sec
[02:27] <bozza> i have 8.10 btw
[02:27] <bozza> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Sources
[02:28] <bozza> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-proposed/universe Sources
[02:28] <bozza> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-backports/restricted Packages
[02:28] <bozza> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-backports/main Packages
[02:28] <bozza> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-backports/multiverse Packages
[02:28] <bozza> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-backports/universe Packages
[02:28] <bozza> etc
[02:28] <KDesk> where is the kde3 apps config save in intrepid?
[02:28] <bozza> wgrant thats what it shows
[02:28] <ytoox> gaelfx: what could I do?
[02:28] <wgrant> bozza: Erm, there's no plain intrepid/main or intrepid/universe?
[02:28] <storrgie> with evolution, is there a way to make the same columns for all views easily?
[02:28] <WelshDragon> Hrmmm..Does anyone else still have that stupid bug where the scrollbar disappears in the tabs in nautilus?
[02:29] <bozza> ok shall i just copy and paste the stuff from here
[02:29] <bozza> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#sources.list
[02:29] <wgrant> WelshDragon: Sometimes when you middle-click on a folder to open a new tab?
[02:29] <gaelfx> ytoox: well, pasting dmesg might help, or lspci
[02:29] <ytoox> ok
[02:29] <wgrant> bozza: Oh my... no.
[02:29] <kubuntu_> hello with the new KDE can you add a firefox icon in panel?  ie(quickstart)
[02:29] <WelshDragon> No wgrant, If i go File > New Tab, the scrollbar disappears on the first tab.
[02:30] <bozza> .... ? no ? ok
[02:30]  * wgrant stabs UbuntuGuide deader than anything has ever been.
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu_: you can drag the icon from the menu to the panel
[02:30] <wgrant> bozza: Pastebin your sources.list, and I'll correct it for you.
[02:30] <wgrant> UbuntuGuide is thoroughly on crack.
[02:31] <bozza> pastebin ?
[02:31] <bozza> sorry i never heard that
[02:31] <gaelfx> !paste
[02:31] <ytoox> gaelfx: http://pastebin.com/m4c1b4542
[02:31] <bozza> ok
[02:31]  * wgrant feels sick now.
[02:31] <WelshDragon> Nevermind wgrant, I looked on Launchpad, the bug was never fixed.
[02:31]  * zerwas heals wgrant 
[02:32] <kubuntu_> JontheEchidna: i cannot drag anything from menu to my panel
[02:32] <wgrant> UbuntuGuide is even more revoltingly misleading than I thought,.
[02:32] <bozza> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63878/plain/
[02:33] <bozza> wgrant thanks foe helping out btw
[02:33] <wgrant> bozza: Did you mean to omit the first 'd'
[02:33] <wgrant> bozza: np
[02:33] <bozza> one sec will check if its there
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu_: oh, it is a bit finicky about where you paste it, in my experience it's much easier if you drag it to your desktop first, then to the panel
[02:33] <bozza> yea the first d is there .. i just didnt paste it in by mistake
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> dragging by the widget handles that pop up
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> the situation should be much improved come KDE 4.2
[02:34] <wgrant> bozza: Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/63880/ instead.
[02:34] <kubuntu_> JontheEchidna: ahhh i gotta someohow get firefox into the widget panel
[02:35] <bozza> ok thanks
[02:35] <gaelfx> ytoox: two questions: what is ForceXPAon and where is your lspci output?
[02:35] <bozza> 1 sec
[02:35] <wgrant> sudo apt-get update, and see if you can see packages then. If not, pastebin the output of sudo apt-get update.
[02:35] <kubuntu_> grrrrrr
[02:35] <ytoox> gaelfx: lspci http://pastebin.com/m175b1889
[02:35] <ytoox> I don't know what force xpa is
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu_: if you drag it to the veeeery edge of the panel it won't give you the red circle with cross icon and you'll be able to put it in
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> anyway, good night
[02:37] <bozza> shit i will break this laptop into pieces
[02:37] <bozza> still nothing
[02:37] <kubuntu_> thanks
[02:37] <bozza> i did mention i am on 8.10
[02:37] <bozza> yes ?
[02:38] <wgrant> bozza: You did. Pastebin the output of sudo apt-get update, please
[02:38] <wgrant> bozza: Where are you looking that you can't find packages?
[02:38] <bozza> ok
[02:38] <bozza> i type in search
[02:38] <bozza> then type vlc
[02:38] <bozza> and ok
[02:38] <bozza> and nothing shows up
[02:38] <wgrant> Where?
[02:38] <bozza> where as in 8.04 it did
[02:38] <bozza> in synaptic package manager
[02:39] <bozza> the main window
[02:39] <bozza> where it lists all packages
[02:39] <wgrant> In the box in the toolbar?
[02:39] <bozza> ohhhh
[02:40] <bozza> i had vlc in the quick searchbar
[02:40] <bozza> as well as the normal search
[02:40] <gaelfx> ytoox: not sure why your mic wouldn't be working, maybe you should try using the alsa-info.sh script, google it and paste output
[02:40] <bozza> which for some reason ,, didnt let me display the result
[02:40] <bozza> how annoying was that
[02:40] <gaelfx> ytoox: you're sure the problem isn't the volume setting?
[02:40] <wgrant> bozza: It's possible that the index wasn't yet complete.
[02:40] <bozza> i spent nearly an hour ... and i feel like a monkey now
[02:40] <wgrant> bozza: I like easy fixes like that.
[02:40] <bozza> yea i like it as well . but i just feel like an idiot
[02:41] <bozza> :P
[02:41] <wgrant> That is a bit of UI roadkill.
[02:41] <ytoox> gaelfx: well, when I try skype (which has control over capture) it lowers it be default, like it's not present
[02:41] <gaelfx> ytoox: you should be able to change that setting in Skype
[02:41] <wgrant> In fact, that UI is *stupid*.
[02:41] <ytoox> gaelfx: and all the internal mic icons on the alsamixer get shut down by default
[02:41]  * wgrant might file a bug later.
[02:41] <ytoox> I know, even when i changed that, the mic still does not work
[02:42] <bozza> wgrant thanks so much for your time
[02:42] <gaelfx> ytoox: which version of Skype are you using? (Skype, Skype-Static or Skype-Static-oss?
[02:42] <bozza> haha no ui is good
[02:42] <bozza> we are not in msdos world anymore :D
[02:42] <ytoox> gaelfx: where do I get the alsa script
[02:42] <ytoox> ?
[02:42] <wgrant> bozza: No problem.
[02:42] <ytoox> skype
[02:43] <bozza> i love 8.10 .. i just plugged my phone in though usb and my laptop connected to the internet like magic
[02:43] <bozza> even in windows i have to install software and drivers for it to work
[02:43] <bozza> but with 8.10 . just plugged in my phone . and it worked straight away :D
[02:44] <wgrant> NM0.7 rocks.
[02:44] <bozza> easily the nicest os
[02:44] <chuckf> anyone have info about the usb-creator? Specifically is it designed not to use a SD card as a valid medium?
[02:44] <wgrant> Good to hear.
[02:44] <bozza> nm0.7?
[02:44] <wgrant> bozza: Network Manager 0.7.
[02:44] <bozza> oh ok :)
[02:45] <bozza> ubuntu should be more common . like its easiest the nicest os
[02:45] <bozza> i just love the updates
[02:46] <gaelfx> ytoox: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[02:46] <wgrant> chuckf: It checks that it is connected through USB, isn't a disk, and is removable.
[02:47] <wgrant> chuckf: I don't have an SD card with me, so can't tell which criterion is failed by them.
[02:47] <chuckf> okay, thanks wgrant
[02:47] <gaelfx> ytoox: save it, right-click, change properties to make it executable, the run ./alsa-info.sh in terminal
[02:48] <chuckf> wgrant, are you on that project?
[02:48] <wgrant> chuckf: I'm not.
[02:48] <chuckf> k
[02:48] <ytoox> ok
[02:48] <chuckf> thanks for the info
[02:48] <KDesk> How can I change the color or and KDE 3 app in intrepid?
[02:51] <OldPaths616> I upgraded to 8.20 last night and lost networking.  3 other systemsstill online so Im sure it was upgrade.  how to test networking on that desktop install?
[02:51] <gaelfx> ytoox: but really, I need to know which version of Skype you're using also
[02:51] <chuckf> wgrant, just found a bug on it, don't know why I missed it before
[02:52] <gaelfx> ytoox: you should really try to use skype-static-oss
[02:52] <gaelfx> ytoox: are you using the medibuntu repos?
[02:52] <ytoox> gaelfx: yeah, and the alsa website is not loading
[02:53] <gaelfx> ytoox: I couldn't get Skype to work properly until I started using static-oss version
[02:53] <ytoox> ok
[02:53] <jbg7474> Can anyone help with getting gpilot talking to a Palm device in Intrepid (worked in Hardy)?
[02:54] <ytoox> gaelfx: where else can I get the alsa script?
[02:55] <gaelfx> ytoox: I don't know, that's the only place I've ever seen it
[02:55] <gaelfx> ytoox: try a google search
[02:55] <ytoox> mmm
[02:56] <ytoox> I did
[02:56] <ytoox> I did
[02:57] <ytoox> gaelfx: I tried the static version and I can only hear a buzz when the test call replays my recording
[02:58] <gaelfx> ytoox: static-oss
[02:58] <gaelfx> ytoox: not static
[02:58] <gaelfx> ytoox: you must not have looked very hard: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/alsa-utils/alsa-info.sh
[02:59] <ytoox> no, I installed skype-static-oss
[03:01] <ytoox> running the script
[03:04] <ytoox> gaelfx: this is the output
[03:04] <ytoox> http://pastebin.com/m43767949
[03:04] <jbg7474> <---- hears nothing but crickets on this subject
[03:11] <nemo> Hey, I turned down the combined logout/IM thingy 'cause I didn't care about the IM thing
[03:11] <nemo> but the magic guest account thing seems to be part and parcel
[03:11] <nemo> how do I reenable that
[03:11] <nemo> is it even possible?
[03:13] <jbg7474> Anyone out there using a Palm device at all with Intrepid?
[03:13] <ytoox> gaelfx: what do you see?
[03:15] <mxweas> is anyone here running ubuntu intrepid?
[03:15] <mxweas> if so could you get me a quick file?
[03:15] <zerwas> mxweas, o_O which? see packages.ubuntu.com
[03:15] <coppro> huh?
[03:16] <coppro> quick file?
[03:16]  * coppro is running intrepid
[03:16] <mxweas>  /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[03:16] <mxweas> just post it on pastebin or something maybe
[03:16] <mxweas> thx
[03:17] <coppro> I don't have that
[03:17] <tinman08> help sudo configure command
[03:17] <coppro> tinman08: huh?
[03:17] <mxweas> I think I just found it on my own system
[03:17] <mxweas> needed to install something
[03:17] <mxweas> thx anyway
[03:17] <Winkie> tinman08: you're probably looking for the command 'visudo'
[03:18] <gaelfx> ytoox: I don't know man, I can't see anything that pops out to me, I think you need someone with more experience sifting through alsa problems
[03:18] <tinman08> is that the dpkg 1?
[03:18] <gaelfx> ytoox: if you ever see crimsun on, ask him
[03:18] <Winkie> tinman08: sorry, i don't know what you mean
[03:21] <captain_> is this a safe way to upgrade to 8.10 right now? by press Alt+F2 and type in “update-manager -d” (without the quotes)
[03:22] <wgrant> captain_: That's right.
[03:22] <coppro> no sudo?
[03:22] <coppro> shouldn't he use gksu?
[03:22] <captain_> wgrant, thanks!
[03:22] <rsch> is e17 avalible for intrepid?
[03:23] <wgrant> coppro: It should ask if it needs it.
[03:24] <rsch> how do i install it?
[03:24] <coppro> e17?
[03:24] <rsch> enlightenment17
[03:26] <OldPaths616> I lost networking after doing what captain_ suggested and I don't know how to test or get it back
[03:27] <captain_> OldPaths616 what have you done? I am still downloading the updates now
[03:28] <captain_> OldPaths616 you didn't already get to the installing did you?
[03:28] <OldPaths616> I did the Alt_F2 update.  it went well but I don't have networkking on that machine after reboot
[03:29] <OldPaths616> yes, it installed great, no issues
[03:29] <captain_> OldPaths616 how long ago? Some of your old repositories were disabled, what about restricted drivers?
[03:30] <a1len> Is there any good programs for...aesthetically enhancing Intrepid?
[03:30] <soreau> compiz-fusion?
[03:31] <captain_> x2 for compiz
[03:31] <a1len> Thanks guys.
[03:31] <OldPaths616> I did the install last night.  before install.  it told me it would disable third party repos.  my monitor used restricted niividea
[03:32] <dstambou> hi. For some reason, when I switch on desktop  affects, I lose all my virtual desktops. Any idea how to fix this?
[03:33] <wgrant> OldPaths616: We're all waiting for nvidia to update their drivers, unfortunately.
[03:33] <gregbrady> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit from a usb drive and at the partitioning screen I keep getting the error, too small.  It is a 500 GB drive that I am dividing in two.  What is too small?
[03:34] <OldPaths616> ok,but those drives shouldn't affect networking right?
[03:34] <nemo> gregbrady: some people in past I seem to recall getting that because either the tool or them was confusing, like 250gigabytes for 250 megabytes
[03:34] <nemo> gregbrady: or something similar
[03:34] <nemo> gregbrady: but, yeah, no clue without seeing exactly what you're doing
[03:35] <wgrant> OldPaths616: Right, they're just video drivers.
[03:35] <secret901> I'm having enabling visual effects in Ibex
[03:36] <OldPaths616> thought now.  so I'm still at a loss as to what happened to networking :-(
[03:36] <secret901> When I try to enable visual effects, it just switches back to "None"
[03:38] <captain_> OldPaths616, I always seem to have to re-enable my broadcom restricted driver on both my machines, have you checked the restricted drives since the install?
[03:38] <gregbrady> nemo: no, this is a 500 GB drive.  No confusion
[03:38] <coppro> secret901: did they work in hardy?
[03:38] <fserve> i need help, my gnome-terminal.schemas got corrupted, can anyone dcc send it to me? - INTREPID
[03:38] <secret901> coppro: yes
[03:38] <coppro> hmm
[03:39] <secret901> coppro: My graphics driver is Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[03:39] <fserve> plz, someone?
[03:39] <fserve> just locate gnome-terminal.schemas
[03:39] <fserve> then send it to me
[03:39] <OldPaths616> my network has never used restricted drives, always just been supported.  The only restricted is the monitor drivers
[03:43] <kubuntu_> i am having trouble configuring my panel in kde4
[03:44] <kubuntu_> i get it so messed up i have to delete files in the ~/.kde4 directory and reboot
[03:44] <kubuntu_> let's say I remove kickoff then try to start that widget again, it pops up in the right corner of the panel
[03:45] <binspace> Hello, anybody know where the System Beep preferences widget went?
[03:45] <coppro> kubuntu_: to save the preferences you must do a clean logoff
[03:45] <kubuntu_> coppro: i am trying to get firefox as a 'quicklaunch'
[03:46] <coppro> kubuntu_: I haven't used that widget sadly
[03:47] <fserve> can someone dcc send to me gnome-terminal.schemas (ubuntu 8.10)
[03:47] <coppro> fserve: someone possibly can. Or you could reconfigure the package it's in
[03:47] <fserve> i cant
[03:48] <secret901> I can't enable Visual effects in Ibex
[03:48] <wgrant> fserve: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-terminal-data
[03:48] <fserve> ...
[03:49] <kubuntu_> anyone else here confused with all the triangles after you click the cashew
[03:49] <fserve> wgrant, do not work
[03:50] <wgrant> !doesn't work | fserve
[03:50] <seclm193> Hello all
[03:50] <fserve> i cant control c the error : (
[03:50] <wgrant> fserve: Huh?
[03:51] <clm193> Anyone know of any network manager fixes for Intrepid Ibex for secure networks?
[03:52] <wgrant> clm193: It might help if we knew what were meant to be fixing for you.
[03:53] <fserve> sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-terminal-data
[03:53] <clm193> I am trying to connect to my schools network and ubuntu keeps asking for a wireless certificate.  The connection doesn't need a config file
[03:54] <fserve> Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas could not be found.
[03:54] <fserve> Usage: gconf-schemas --[un]register file1.schemas
[03:54] <clm193> wgrant, I am trying to connect to my schools network and ubuntu keeps asking for a wireless certificate.  The connection doesn't need a config file
[03:54] <fserve> gconf-schemas: error: You need at least a file to (un)register.
[03:54] <fserve> dpkg: error processing gnome-terminal-data (--configure):
[03:54] <fserve> ...
[03:54] <fserve> this is my error
[03:55] <wgrant> clm193: Put in the certificate, then.
[03:55] <wgrant> fserve: Why did you delete it!?
[03:55] <wgrant> sudo touch /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas
[03:55] <wgrant> Then try again.
[03:55] <fserve> did not
[03:55] <clm193> wgrant, the university doesn't use a certificate.  Vista works perfectly and ubuntu 8.04 works perfectly
[03:55] <wgrant> Somebody did, and it wasn't the packaging system.
[03:56] <fserve> maybe fsck
[03:56] <wgrant> clm193: You have selected the wrong authentication mechanism.
[03:56] <fserve> another error now
[03:56] <clm193> wgrant, I have tried them all.
[03:56] <wgrant> clm193: Not all of them require certificates.
[03:56] <fserve> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas:1 parser error : Document is empty
[03:57] <clm193> wgrant, I do know that the connection is WPA Enterprise
[03:57] <wgrant> clm193: Follow the University's documentation to select the appropriate authentication mechanism. Mine uses Protected EAP, for example.
[03:57] <wgrant> That only requires my staff or student username and password.
[03:58] <clm193> wgrant, that one is also, but with that selected I still can not connect.
[03:58] <OldPaths616> dude, I don
[03:58] <clm193> wgrant, could the network manager in Ibex be broken?
[03:58] <wgrant> clm193: What do you mean you can not connect? That isn't very descriptive.
[03:58] <wgrant> clm193: Works fine for me - more likely your wireless drivers.
[03:58] <clm193> It connects to the server, but wont authorize
[03:59] <wgrant> Which variety of wireless card do you have?
[03:59] <clm193> wgrant, I'm not sure if it's the wireless driver.  Can it be the driver if I can connect fine at my home wireless, but not at school?
[03:59] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:00] <wgrant> Lots of drivers have stupid broken WPA(2) (Enterprise) implementations.
[04:00] <OldPaths616> i don't know exactly which change fixed it but networking is working after cleaning out the /etc/network/interfaces file.  if others come with this issue might recomend the same.  :-D
[04:00] <wgrant> Some drivers will just stop working after a while.
[04:00] <clm193> wgrant, can you help me with the driver?
[04:00] <wgrant> Some drivers will occasionally stop receiving non-broadcast packets after a while only when using PEAP with WPA>
[04:00] <wgrant> clm193: Probably not, but you could at least advise us on which driver you are using.
[04:01] <clm193> I'm using a dell wireless 1505 dranft n
[04:01] <wgrant> Ah.
[04:01] <wgrant> Sounds buggy.
[04:01] <clm193> not sure, i'm using a driver that ubuntu installed.
[04:03] <clm193> I know dell is now supporting linux and making drivers for it, can the 8.04 drivers work in 8.10
[04:06] <clm193> wgrant, it's using BroadCom STA driver
[04:07] <wgrant> Ahahaha Broadcom.
[04:07] <clm193> what's that mean?
[04:07] <clm193> What I'm not understanding is why it worked in ubuntu 8.04, but not in 8.10
[04:07] <wgrant> Broadcom drivers have traditionally been bad.
[04:08] <wgrant> I've never had the displeasure of using them.
[04:08] <clm193> lol, i just want my wireless to work :(
[04:09] <clm193> wgrant, any ideas on how I can get this working?
[04:09] <wgrant> No idea.
[04:10] <clm193> Now i have a friend that has a different problem with 8.10 and he can't get it working either
[04:10]  * wgrant -> home
[04:10] <clm193> I thought maybe the network manager isn't complete yet
[04:12] <eross> with day 1 left to go, i take it the beta will be release and good to go?
[04:13] <snadge> is it ever? :P
[04:13] <eross> lol, kinda scared to upgrade but is usual fear
[04:13] <eross> 8.04 was painless though
[04:13] <DanaG> wtf is a STA?  I know b43, but 'wl' is weird.
[04:14] <clm193> well, i just think, any update to 8.10 will be released with the update from beta to release
[04:16] <dug_> eross: you might try running partimage from a live cd, to create an exact snapshot of your partition before you upgrade
[04:16] <clm193> When I installed 8.04, the driver I'm using now worked fine then, but 8.10 doesn't like it
[04:18] <clm193> that's why i'm not exactly sure that it's my driver
[04:18] <kubuntu_> i heard the hybrid drivers that broadcom made are going to be in 8.10 so that no need for fwcutter, b43, or ndiswrapper
[04:19] <eross> i'll check it out dug, thanks
[04:19] <kubuntu_> im actually on a broadcom 4306 and yesterdays install of 8.10 went well and all i did was install the b43 application that i was told too
[04:19] <clm193> b43?
[04:20] <kubuntu_> b43-fwcutter application
[04:21] <clm193> should I try that?  8.10 came with a driver that works
[04:22] <DanaG> Supposedly 'wl' is better than b43.
[04:22] <DanaG> me wonders what the heck STA stands for.
[04:23] <clm193> can someone help me out on how to use it
[04:23] <DanaG> S......T......A.... ? I've got nothing.
[04:23] <kubuntu_> clm193: go to your hardware drivers and it should be suggested for yoiu
[04:23] <clm193> it's there, enabled, and in use
[04:23] <clm193> but I still can't connect to a WPA Enterprise network
[04:23] <kubuntu_> clm193: you won't be able to from what I understand
[04:24] <kubuntu_> NDISwrapper will let you though
[04:24] <clm193> umm, ok, how do i connect that way?
[04:24] <kubuntu_> lol that could take a while
[04:24] <kubuntu_> there is an entire support page on ndiswrapper hang on
[04:25] <clm193> umm, i need internet
[04:26] <xiaopi_> does somebody know if they fixed the logitech webcam support in RC ? last alpha had problem since they started loading it as kernel module
[04:26] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[04:27] <xiaopi_> today pawan
[04:27] <pawan> today is 29
[04:30] <xiaopi_> does it really matter? you have to get it as soon as it gets out? upgrade from RC is gonna go smoothly so i don't see the urge :)
[04:31] <kubuntu_> will there be major updates from the current rc? or just another quick daily update and walllaaa!!
[04:32] <gaelfx> prolly the latter
[04:33] <dug_> xiaopi_: i tested a logitech webcam yesterday, it works okay
[04:33] <dug_> just reddish in kopete tho
[04:33] <kubuntu_> i hope the update roasts my cashew, cause it aint tasting too good right now
[04:33] <gaelfx> dug_: how did you get the drivers for it?
[04:33] <xiaopi_> thx dug_, didn't have time to try lately
[04:34] <dug_> gaelfx: I just plugged it in and tried it
[04:34] <dug_> i may have installed stuff a while back in hardy that is still installed, don't remember
[04:34] <radams> Hi, I'm getting KP's very frequently. /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/syslog only seem to be returning info from my current boot, though. How can I view logs from when the KP happened, or what is the best way to troubleshoot this? (Kubuntu 8.10)
[04:35] <DanaG> Odd... my down and left arrows don't repeat, but up and right do.
[04:35] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[04:35] <gaelfx> dug_: ah, ok, thanks
[04:35] <gaelfx> DanaG: did you ever solve your bluetooth problem?
[04:35] <xiaopi_> down repeat normally on mine
[04:35] <DanaG> The rfcomm?  Nope, can't figure out a nice way to do it -- it's like I have to go back to manually editing config files.
[04:36] <DanaG> And even though PA 0.9.13 (on the PPA) supposedly supports bluetooth audio.... I see no way to set it up.
[04:38] <radams> oh hi Joey
[04:40] <KDesk> isn't there anny binary for opera 9.6?
[04:41] <radams> ok, i've found stuff in /var/log/dmesg.0, but it looks like if there's a kp, nothing gets committed? every kp boot seems to not be logged in the dmesg.* files...
[04:41] <DanaG> Panic means you can't log anything.
[04:41] <DanaG> The only way you could debug would be through something like a serial console.
[04:42] <radams> so logging isn't done when it happens? in other words, I can't get a log from 5 minutes before the KP?
[04:42] <DanaG> Well, there's supposedly some crashkernel thing... but it doesn't do anything for me.
[04:42] <DanaG> From before?  Hmm, 5 minutes is quite a while...
[04:42] <radams> I understand that when the KP actually occurrs, you can't log, but what about shortly before?
[04:42] <pawan> then
[04:42] <DanaG> Hmm, it should do log rotation, shouldn't it?
[04:42] <radams> I can't find ANY logs with boot data except from my current boot
[04:43] <DanaG> Hmm, look in /var/log/messages.0
[04:43] <DanaG> The numbered ones have some from previous days, for me.
[04:43] <radams> k, checking now
[04:43] <joeyadams> Isn't there a way to get kexec to come on at a kernel panic and grab the dmesg?
[04:43] <Roger_Klotz> hey guys, I just updated to the 8.10 rc on my laptop, and when i boot i get to the login screen, login is sucessful, and then the screen goes to prompt and has a bunch of weird colors and symobols. Ive ran all the recovery tools that come with linux, but it still does this. ive tried apt-get update, sucessfully gotten the packages and installed, but its not fixing it.
[04:44] <radams> ok, I confirm that, DanaG. Looking through those logs now
[04:44] <DanaG> Yeah, there's the linux-crashdump thing... but it always just tells me to pass a crashkernel= parameter... even though it DOES pass one.
[04:46] <dug_> Roger_Klotz: i don't know how to fix that, but sounds like a graphics driver problem.  check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for example
[04:47] <RAdams1> DanaG: looks like info is in that log, but just as I was looking at it, I got another KP D:
[04:47] <DanaG> =þ
[04:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, most awesome smiley char ever: 'þ'
[04:47] <DanaG> :þ xþ XÞ
[04:48] <Roger_Klotz> dug_: if it was a graphics driver problem woulnt failsafe startup work?
[04:48] <Roger_Klotz> wouldnt*
[04:49] <dug_> Roger_Klotz: i just remember a year ago i had graphics issues, and nothing would start up.  i had to control-alt-f2 or whatever to get to a command line and try different things.  don't remember how i fixed it tho
[04:51] <RAdams> heh
[04:51] <RAdams> hm... if a call to my wlan fails 31000 times in a row, should I be concerned? :P
[04:51] <RAdams> going to disable wireless... I have a sneaking suspicion that's part of the problem...
[04:51] <RAdams> I've never seen "last message repeated 31925 times" before... that was special
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I downgraded Xorg (yes, very risky) to "fix" what nvidia has left broken for 5 MONTHS!.... and compiz sometimes randomly hard-locks to where nither ctrl-alt-backspace nor alt-sysrq-k will kill it.
[04:53] <DanaG> I end up having to ssh in and killall -9 compiz.real.... at which point, Xorg gets the ctrl-alt-backspace, and quits.
[04:54] <DanaG> Rather quite very annoying,
[04:54] <DanaG> .
[05:00] <rberckma> I just installed 8.10 and I was trying to set up my old metacity keybindings in gconf-editor. It seems binding keys for such targets as move_to_workspace_1 has no
[05:00] <rberckma> +effect... any ideas?
[05:12] <ripps> One of the many things I wanted fixed more than anything: faster gtk dialogs. The open/save dialogs take just long enough to annoy me. But perhaps that's just the ADD talking]
[05:18] <gaelfx> does anyone know much about the sdp daemon?
[05:23] <Neurologic> Anyone available for a quick question?
[05:23] <td123> Neurologic: just ask
[05:24] <Neurologic> Well, last release of Ubuntu was a lot of drama, and circles, ended up not finding a solution to a problem with my networking card. With Ibex coming out, I wonder if there's any progress on problems with Intel WiFi Link wireless cards?
[05:25] <wishie> odd, my intel wifi card just works.
[05:25] <bullgard4> Where can I find a compilation of the new features of Intrepid Ibex (compared with Hardy)?
[05:25] <wishie> (with hardy)
[05:26] <td123> wishie: that's no surprise.. the real surprise is half of the things that didn't work in hardy, work in intrepid out of the box (rc)
[05:26] <elpargo> bullgard4, in the download page of every release there is a "what's new"
[05:26] <gaelfx> does anyone use exaile and have problems with loading their library?
[05:26] <td123> wishie: on my hardware
[05:27] <Neurologic> wishie, I have an Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN, I had a huge run around, with no solutions =( Basically, it rendered my laptop unable to connect to wireless :S
[05:27] <Neurologic> So I had to just sit and hope for the next release to have a solution, hence me being here to ask.
[05:28] <wishie> i have a...
[05:28] <wishie> 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[05:28] <wishie> and it works out of the box on hardy for me.
[05:28] <bullgard4> elpargo: Does there exist a "download page" of Intrepid Ibex? What is its address?
[05:28] <Neurologic> Really?
[05:29] <wishie> bullgard4: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/   <-- daily build.
[05:29] <Neurologic> Mine didn't work AT ALL.
[05:29] <td123> wishie: I have the same (a little older model though)
[05:29] <wishie> Neurologic: im using it right now..
[05:29] <Neurologic> Didn't even detect networks, multiple networks.
[05:29] <Neurologic> Well that's inconsistent, why would mine not, and yours work, if it's the same card? =P
[05:29] <wishie> Neurologic: not that its relevant, but what laptop ?
[05:29] <gaelfx> http://pastebin.com/d5b531e7b I get these errors when I run exaile, I tried reinstalling python 2.5, but to no avail, does anyone have a suggestion as to what my next step might be?
[05:30] <Neurologic> Dell Inspiron 1525
[05:32] <wishie> hmm, checking something now..
[05:32] <bullgard4> elpargo: In http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ there is no  "what's new". So your answer is wrong.
[05:32] <Neurologic> Sure, any explanation would be more than welcome wishie =)
[05:33] <wishie> Neurologic: did you try the backport modules for it ?
[05:33] <wishie> Neurologic: sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic ?
[05:33] <Neurologic> No idea what a backport module is? O_O
[05:33] <elpargo> bullgard4, that wasn't my answer that was wishie, if you let me look for the link I'll provide it.
[05:33] <Neurologic> I was told by support people in #ubuntu to run all sorts of commands, but never that, I don't think.
[05:34] <wishie> Neurologic: im just letting you know what works for me..HP laptop, but same wifi card.
[05:34] <wishie> Neurologic: my wifi light even toggles on/off when i turn the card on/off
[05:34] <ripps> !backports
[05:34] <elpargo> bullgard4, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[05:35] <wishie> Neurologic: and afaik, there is an issue with Wireless N on these cards in Intrepid, but there is a backport for that, too
[05:35] <Neurologic> wishie, Hmm. All right, well considering Ibex is tomorrow, I'll try it, and if I have problems I'll try that then, copied it down.
[05:35] <Neurologic> Thanks a lot.
[05:35] <elpargo> gnome update for me is enough to upgrade :)
[05:35] <wishie> ive got a url if you want..
[05:35] <Neurologic> Sure.
[05:36] <Neurologic> I'm keeping it all to try and get back to using Ubuntu.
[05:36] <bullgard4> elpargo: Thank you very much for your help.
[05:36] <wishie> Neurologic: http://tinyurl.com/3eezkj
[05:36] <wishie> relatd to HP laptops, but the Intel Wifi section will explain some things
[05:36] <Neurologic> Great! Thanks =)
[05:36] <dr_willis> I finially got wireless working with my HP laptop under 8.10 :)
[05:37] <wishie> works for me on 8.04
[05:37] <wishie> heh
[05:37] <Neurologic> I'll download Ibex tomorrow, and if I have any problems, I'll follow those steps.
[05:37] <Neurologic> Thanks again
[05:37] <wishie> im getting an ibex build now
[05:37] <wishie> no worries Neurologic
[05:38] <Neurologic> Sleep for me, Cheers all!
[05:38]  * wishie prays we dont get a big rush of people in #alsa tomorrow..heh
[05:38] <dr_willis> We will have to watch #ubuntu an see how big a # we can get in there. :)
[05:41] <wishie> and i will have to steet clear of #ubuntu..heh
[05:41] <wishie> and perhaps #alsa :)
[05:41] <wishie> i had my work cut out for me with the hardy release
[05:41] <dr_willis> I was thinking i saw the highest total at like a liittle over 3000+  last release
[05:42] <wishie> im kind of annoyed with intrepid, though.. the Kubuntu version anyway
[05:42] <Tukon> wishie: why's that?
[05:42] <dr_willis> Im using gnome now for the foreseable future....
[05:43] <wishie> i need 2.6.27 kernel (in intrepid) for all my laptops keys to work properly.. yet, i still want to use KDE3, which intrepid kubuntu doesnt have..
[05:43] <Tukon> wishie: me too
[05:43] <wishie> so i have to choose between one or the other.. and make my own 2.6.27 for hardy, or build my own kde3 for intrepid
[05:43] <Tukon> but kde4 is really growing on me
[05:43] <Tukon> so i'm sticking it out for now
[05:44] <wishie> ill make the change, one day
[05:44] <wishie> but for now, i have 3.5.9 setup just as i like it, and dont want to change..heh
[05:44] <Tukon> what feature do you need in 3 that isnt in 4?
[05:44] <Tukon> ah
[05:44] <Tukon> this is just making me look forward more to 4.2
[05:44]  * dr_willis waits for service pack 1 for Kde4
[05:45] <wishie> kde 4.1 should have been 4.0
[05:45] <wishie> 4.0 should never have existed :P
[05:45] <Tukon> word to that
[05:46] <Tukon> dr_willis: then we might rename the disti Canonical Kubuntu Linux 9.04 Ultimate Edition
[05:46] <Tukon> ;-)
[05:47] <dr_willis> Dont for get the 2009 at the end
[05:47] <Tukon> lol
[05:47] <dr_willis>  Canonical Kubuntu Linux 9.04 Ultimate Home Supreme Lite Edition 2009
[05:47] <Tukon> sadly it sounds like they are continuing the same kind of crap with windows 7
[05:48] <bullgard4>   What does "to showcase" mean in "New Features since Ubuntu 8.04: These features are showcased for your attention. Please test them and report any bugs you find on Launchpad: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu"?
[05:48] <wgrant> ... with Advanced Security Technologies!
[05:48] <Tukon> anyway peace
[05:48] <wishie> hehe
[05:48] <dr_willis> 'shown off'
[05:48] <wishie> more stuff 'just worked' with hardy, than with XP SP3 on this laptop..
[05:48] <dr_willis> 'to be put on display'
[05:49] <wgrant> wishie: But Windows is clearly better. It's better, I tell you!
[05:49] <dr_willis> Ive noticed Vista crashing more and more on my machunes with each new update for it..
[05:49] <wishie> dr_willis: ive experienced Fista crashing once.. about 30 seconds before i wiped the drive clean..heh
[05:50] <dr_willis>  Vista (not responding)
[05:50] <dr_willis> should be the name of the Next Vista release.
[05:50] <wishie> started the install, during install it downloaded 1.3Gb of updates.. booted for the first time, explorer crashed, so i formatted it :P
[05:50] <wishie> no no..
[05:50] <wishie> the next version should be Fista.
[05:51] <wishie> Fista - Bend over and take it edition
[05:51] <wrinkliez> hey guys, I have recently installed 8.10 and the brightness applet wont work
[05:51] <wrinkliez> any ideas? :(
[05:51] <pdlnhrd> i am having a hard time having my computer  recoginzing my DV device (i want to capture video in Kino) and it says /dev/raw1394  doesn't work   but it doesn't exist   how can I make it exist lsmod shows that the module is loaded.  jason@bukowski:~$ ls -la /dev/raw1394   ls: cannot access /dev/raw1394: No such file or directory   Anyone help me with this or suggest another DV capture program?
[05:52] <dr_willis> You may need to be sure the proper moduiles are loaded...
[05:52] <pdlnhrd> here is a pastebin of my system http://pastebin.com/d37e9dcb0
[05:53] <skwashd> for the last 2 or 3 days i have been getting /var filled up (it is a separate partition) with the following
[05:53] <skwashd> Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.27-7-generic #1
[05:53] <skwashd> any ideas?
[05:53] <skwashd> lemme pastbin the backtrace
[05:53] <pdlnhrd> the modules was loaded before...now it isn't... is there something to make it persist?
[05:54] <wrinkliez> anyone have any idea about why the brightness applet isnt working?
[05:55] <wrinkliez> right on
[05:56] <dr_willis> theres a Modules autoload directory/file in /etc/ somewhere.. or modprobe it in rc.local
[05:56] <skwashd> here it is http://pastebin.ca/1239374
[05:56] <skwashd> pdlnhrd: try adding it to /etc/modules
[05:59] <pdlnhrd> the modules is now loaded... crw-rw---- 1 root video 171, 0 2008-10-29 00:55 /dev/raw1394   and if i try to run gksudo kino (which i know i shouldn't) it still doesn't recoginize my device.... any other ideas/
[06:00] <dr_willis> be sure the app is looking at the right device..   Ither then that.. no idea
[06:08] <pdlnhrd1> o.k.   i have one other problem and that is with dual video cards and daul display.   I can't configure the second monitor... here is some info about my system: http://pastebin.com/d3108d4d9
[06:08] <pdlnhrd1> should i go with the propreitary drivers?
[06:10] <pdlnhrd1> preference -> screen resolution on shows one display and the catalyst control center only shows one display under display manager.... should i just install the ATI drivers?
[06:11] <f|uke> Why wouldn't you install the Ati driver? Do they have good linux support?
[06:12] <pdlnhrd1> i guess i like to keep using the open-source drivers.... i was curious if anyone else has had any exeprience
[06:12] <pdlnhrd1> plus i thought 8.10 had increase support for dual head displays
[06:14] <pdlnhrd1> and the propritery driver doesn't support 8.10
[06:16] <f|uke> nvidia has killer linux support. I'm happy to use their proprietary driver. the nvidia settings manager has excellent dual screen support. But I have no experience with ATi. :|
[06:17] <pdlnhrd1> fjuke:   while i agree up until this current box. i have been using nvidia completely.   but with ati's opensourcing everythign including 3d support i wanted to support them.... i guess i will just have to wait
[06:17] <lemonade> huh, just woked and read that nvidia had kille_d_ linux support, I got scared
[06:19] <DanaG> I'm going ATI with my next laptop.
[06:20] <DanaG> I've had enough issues with nvidia, old and new, in both Windows and Linux.
[06:20] <gaelfx> help! my computer keeps randomly playing parts of songs and then stopping and I have no audio player open! I'm scared....
[06:20] <DanaG> gaelfx: it may be the preview on icon hover.
[06:20] <DanaG> I liked ATI's Windows drivers the last time I used them, which was during the 9800->X800 era.
[06:21]  * DanaG tests a command:
[06:21] <DanaG> !wrong
[06:21] <DanaG> dang.
[06:21] <DanaG> I submitted this: wrong is You're Doing It Wrong.
[06:21] <lemonade> i've hated ati, now i like nvidia - if i'm someday going to hate their proprietary driver, i'll go intel :D
[06:21] <pdlnhrd1> the windows ATI drivers blow chuncks... i have to reboot everytime i switch from crossfire.... but i do have pretty new cards and they might be working out the kinks
[06:22] <gaelfx> DanaG: there's a preview on icon hover?
[06:22] <gaelfx> cool
[06:22] <f|uke> intel for graphics? You might as well stab yourself in the eye with a fork
[06:23] <lemonade> huh, i've had no problems with intel
[06:23] <lemonade> i'm no gamer though
[06:23] <elpargo> is python2.6 the default in this release, or that didn't made the date?
[06:23] <f|uke> Ah. Right. Probably not concerned with the eye-candy too.
[06:23] <xiaopi_> anybody using last Ktorrent with gnome on RC? he's really CPU eater
[06:24] <lemonade> f|uke: actually i have compiz working very well
[06:24] <f|uke> Dont expect that if you switch to intel o.O
[06:24] <lemonade> in intel that is
[06:24] <lemonade> i use it at work
[06:24] <f|uke> huh.
[06:24] <xiaopi_> got compriz to work well with last intel integrated chip too
[06:25] <lemonade> do't remember whhat card it is
[06:25] <lemonade> don't
[06:25] <f|uke> I still declare that they suck.
[06:25] <xiaopi_> suck for what? playing?
[06:25] <f|uke> For graphic
[06:25] <xiaopi_> for example?
[06:25] <f|uke> graphics and supoort
[06:25] <f|uke> support. >< doh.
[06:26] <wishie> intel is well supported for compiz and friends
[06:26] <f|uke> Can you run a desktop cube and spin it without chop?
[06:26] <pdlnhrd1> i have everything working well with my ATI cards 3d acceleration, direct rendering, compiz... except i can't do dual display..... :(
[06:26] <xiaopi_> you still use cube everyday ? lol
[06:26] <wishie> f|uke: of course you can. the 'chopping' is only VSync
[06:26] <xiaopi_> desktop wall is so much more efficient
[06:27] <dr_willis> Cube: 'eye candy used to make windows users drool,'
[06:27] <f|uke> Yes. I use it to make my friends jealous.
[06:27] <f|uke> haaaaa
[06:27] <dr_willis> Then you turn it OFF to get real work done
[06:28] <wishie> i have compiz enabled all the time on this laptop
[06:28] <xiaopi_> you also put all effect on random if you wanna impress people
[06:28] <f|uke> Yah well. Maybe. I dont pay much attention to it, thats true
[06:28] <f|uke> Yah, done that too
[06:28] <dr_willis> xiaopi_,  been there.. done that...
[06:28] <dr_willis> :)
[06:28] <dr_willis> 'the windows explode when you close them' --- COOL! we want linux...
[06:28] <wishie> rofl.. Second Reality demo, C64 port..haha
[06:28] <xiaopi_> but in the end, get rid of most of the eye candy, kept the fade in/out and desktopwall
[06:28] <wishie> oh, this warrants getting the C64 out of the cupboard!
[06:29] <dr_willis> I have several C64s :)
[06:29] <xiaopi_> and taskbar preview too.. exept from that :P
[06:29] <lemonade> me too
[06:29] <lemonade> and yeah, 2nd reality for c64 kicks ass
[06:29] <dr_willis> taskbar Preview, and zoom. thats about all the compiz i use
[06:29] <wishie> ive got a C64 and a C128D
[06:29] <dr_willis> The Vice Emulator is very well done. :)
[06:29] <f|uke> well, generally my friends arnt impressed with, "I can ssh to my server using RSA and use VNC or SSHFS to access my shit"
[06:30] <f|uke> because generally they dont understand it. stupid pot smoking hippies.
[06:30] <xiaopi_> yeah but actually that kinda cool =D
[06:30] <f|uke> So i have to impress them with the spinning cube :(
[06:31] <xiaopi_> vnc over putty ssh tunnel on win kinda sux
[06:32] <dr_willis> Untill you need it to fix grandmas pc thats 100 miles away
[06:32] <dr_willis> :)
[06:33] <wishie> oh nuts! Assembly 2007 winning demo.. niiiiiiiiice
[06:33] <xiaopi_> grandmas pc just need regular remotedesktop :)
[06:33] <wishie> 'LifeForce'
[06:33] <carloslicea> hello everyone, I have two issues in my machine: 1)My intel wireless card disconnects after some time (could be a few minutes or some hours, usually ~6 hour or something), after that i have to reboot my machine if i want to connect again, 2)load some flash (specially youtube videos) in konqueror is a just a bet, 20% of the time will work the other times the plugin is loaded (nspluginviwer) but doesn't display anything
[06:34] <carloslicea> are there any known solutions for those problems? (for the flash one i already trying reinstalling, no luck)
[06:34] <xiaopi_> which version of KDE?\
[06:34] <carloslicea> 4.2.1
[06:34] <xiaopi_> dunno then :)
[06:34] <carloslicea> lol
[06:35] <lemonade> i'm having that nspluginwrapper-problem too on ubuntu
[06:35] <wgrant> Erm, KDE 4.2 isn't even in Intrepid.
[06:35] <carloslicea> err
[06:35] <carloslicea> my bad
[06:35] <carloslicea> sorry
[06:35] <carloslicea> 4.1.2
[06:35] <xiaopi_> kde4 still need some polish too ~
[06:36] <carloslicea> that's why i keep firefox (and all its dependencies :/ ) around u_u
[06:36] <carloslicea> but the one that is actually driving me nuts is the wireless one, it's just horrible
[06:37] <carloslicea> i searched launchpad, there are some similar bugs but doesn't seem to be a fix
[06:38] <xiaopi_> exept reporting, if you're not fixing them there's nothing more to do
[06:39] <wishie> well, time to try the intrepid rc on my mates laptop :P
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> alright then.  gnome-session taking up 100% of a processor core?  anyone familiar with that?
[06:42] <stahlstift> Good Morning! Can someone give me an hint which server forgets the dirlock for 8.10 ? :)
[06:43]  * dr_willis is not clear on the  question.
[06:45] <stahlstift> dr_willis: well the sync of 8.10 final should already started and there are some servers
[06:45] <stahlstift> where you can already download :)
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> are you *that* impatient that you can't wait?
[06:46] <stahlstift> exactly :)
[06:46] <dr_willis> I normally update/upgrade a day or 2 befor release.. then wait a week or 2 - till it all settles down.
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> if you've been running it already, you're already pretty much there.
[06:47] <stahlstift> Daisuke_Ido: i didn´t installed the rc
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> then whose fault is that?
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still trying to figure out this gnome-session problem
[06:48] <stahlstift> Daisuke_Ido: i try to get it as early as possible, install it, update it and then i do the same as dr_willis. I wait 2 weeks before i update again :)
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i just updated (installed the beta a couple weeks ago), probably won't until the second week of november or so
[06:50] <dr_willis> Calculating upgrade... Done
[06:50] <dr_willis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i had something like 4 packages to update
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> (hadn't in a couple days)
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> but kaudiocreator is still missing >:|
[06:53] <MrHumsup> Hi guys. Just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid. I'm having this issue of not being able to use my Up, Down, Left and Right arrows in any of my apps. E.g. Prior to the dist-upgrade, depressing either the Up or Down arrow keys in Epiphany browser would have allowed me to scroll up or down a webpage, but not now. An pressing the the Up arrow key, does not bring up the last command I typed in GNOME terminal like it used to before the upgra
[06:54] <dr_willis> I would start by disabling compiz and see if it works  then, try making a new user also...
[06:54] <dr_willis> and also try installing some minimal window manager, see if it works in that. (like icewm)
[06:54] <dr_willis> Some else had issues the other day with compiz stealing specific keypresses
[06:58] <MrHumsup> dr_willis: hmm. Yeah. Had this other issue with screenshot. But it went away after I disabled the screenshot plugin in Compiz. But I have no idea how to resolve the others. Anyone any ideas? Please?
[07:09] <skwashd> i should mention i am running amd64 - C2D T9300 with 4G RAM
[07:12] <skwashd> should i just paste the contents of http://pastebin.ca/1239374 into a bug report on LP and wait for it be closed when intrepid+1 gets a new kernel and i won't test it on a pre alpha build?
[07:14] <dulak> I was gonna talk shit about your attitude, but I'm not drunk enough to hit enter.
[07:15] <dulak> skwashd: you know like 98% of the people who work on the OS you are running get no money right?
[07:15] <skwashd> dulak: it is the normal process with serious regressions introduced in the last couple of weeks a ubuntu releases for the last while
[07:16] <Hobbsee> serious regressions?  When did that appear?
[07:16] <dulak> skwashd: yeah but you could have a better attitude in your snide little comments in the support channel
[07:16] <rski> the new graphics for the partitioner/installer looks like it couldn't come from a sea of brown, good job. :)
[07:16] <skwashd> Hobbsee: liferea is almost useless in the last week or so ... evolution crashes about 3 times day on a good day ... and now a kernel bug is filling my disk
[07:17] <skwashd> Hobbsee: and both hardy and gutsy went down hill in the last 2 or 3 weeks before release
[07:17] <Hobbsee> skwashd: and users suck.  Now you could be helpful, and avoid generalisations
[07:17] <rski> have you posted to lkml ?
[07:17] <skwashd> dulak: was just confirming the process was going to be the same this time around
[07:18] <dulak> skwashd: no, you were doing a classic passive-aggressive job of bitching about somethign
[07:18] <Hobbsee> skwashd: what version of evolution do you have installed?
[07:18] <skwashd> Hobbsee: i agree
[07:18] <dulak> skwashd: I do not tolerate bullshit, at least be honest about your motives.
[07:18] <skwashd> Hobbsee: 2.24.1-0ubuntu2
[07:19] <skwashd> dulak: get my machine working properly
[07:19] <Hobbsee> skwashd: darn.  Was hoping that would have fixed it for you
[07:19] <skwashd> Hobbsee: nope
[07:19] <dulak> skwashd: You feel entitled to a perfect OS, and I do not blame you for that, cuz ubuntu kicks ass, but seriously, adjust the attitude.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> skwashd: your'e not a master, he's not your slave.  be respectful, and obey the !coc, else i'll give you somewhere else to whine, thanks.
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> but the user is owed everything, even if you pansy devs are working hard, it's NOT ENOUGH!
[07:20] <skwashd> dulak: personally i wish i never upgraded to dapper ... breezy was rock solid
[07:20] <wgrant> 'liferea is almost useless' is the most useless bug report I've seen today.
[07:20] <wgrant> What is wrong with it? It works fine for me.
[07:20] <dulak> skwashd: personally I hope yer penis falls off, but I'm a dick.
[07:20] <wgrant> dulak: Cease that, please.
[07:21] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry.  i should probably check to see if there's a bug report for missing kaudiocreator or the gnome-session issue i'm having (which i can't seem to nail down)
[07:21] <skwashd> wgrant: regularly fails to update feed and the unread count contantly keeps on saying there is unread posts when there are none
[07:21] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: is there a kde4 port of kaudiocreator?
[07:21] <Daisuke_Ido> there is not, to my knowledge, however, it's supposedly part of kdemultimedia
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: hmm, might be worth checking that.  The old kde3 versions aren't available anymore
[07:24] <skwashd> looks like it is off to LP to file a bug which will be ignored
[07:25] <Daisuke_Ido> skwashd: if you're THAT upset that you're going to get whiny, use something else.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> not many new evolution bugs, there either.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: besides, most of the devs are smart, and avoid this channel - or only spend very small amounts of time for it.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> er, in it
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> probably a wise move
[07:28] <skwashd> Daisuke_Ido: every kernel bug i have file / subscribed to had not been fixed - closed upgrade to latest+greatest or just ignored
[07:28] <Hobbsee> skwashd: well, have you seen how big the kernel commits actually are?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> a whole bunch of bugs get fixed each time a new kernel gets released.
[07:28] <wgrant> There are an awful lot of kernel bugs, and not too many kernel developers in Ubuntu.
[07:28] <skwashd> Hobbsee: i can switch to tbird if i have to ... a kernel which is chewing over a gig of disk per hour is a bit much
[07:29] <Hobbsee> especially if they can't reproduce it themselves, it's kinda hard to tell if the new things will fix it.
[07:29] <wgrant> You should feel free to help out squashing bugs.
[07:29] <wgrant> Evolution bugs should be fairly well taken care of, IIRC.
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Hobbsee: filed a question on kaudiocreator, checking for anything on this gnome-session thing
[07:29] <skwashd> Hobbsee: most of the kernel bugs aren't in other distros ... they are i nthe ubuntu patchset
[07:29] <Hobbsee> skwashd: then find out which it is, build it without, and then file a bug based on that.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: what's the gnome-sesion thing?
[07:30] <skwashd> Hobbsee: this one is new .. and so i haven't spent hours finding the real cause of it
[07:30] <Hobbsee> skwashd: no, you just came on to rant.  very wise.
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Hobbsee: i don't know what's triggering it (just see it when i get home from campus) but gnome-session is eating an entire core
[07:30] <skwashd> which is why i stupidly came in here trying to see if others had experienced it
[07:30] <Hobbsee> if you can't be bothered to spend the time, why do you think anyone else would be?
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> not using much ram (2mb) but riding the CPU like mad
[07:31] <skwashd> and the reason i ubuntu (and debian) is so i don't have to fsck around compiling stuff
[07:31]  * Hobbsee eyes gnome-session bugs
[07:31] <skwashd> if i wanted to do that i would run gentoo or LFS
[07:31] <wgrant> skwashd: I fail to see where people said that you should compile your entire system yourself.
[07:31]  * Hobbsee notes you can probably get a support contract if you preferred, so others would debug for you.
[07:32] <skwashd> wgrant: <Hobbsee> skwashd: then find out which it is, build it without, and then file a bug based on that.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> skwashd: system != kernel.
[07:32] <skwashd> Hobbsee: sure ... but why stop at compiling the kernel ... building everything from scratch is so much fun
[07:33] <wgrant> If you want to, go ahead.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> skwashd: because you don't have bugs in most of the other stuff.  *eyeroll*
[07:33] <wgrant> But nobody here suggested it, so stop implying it.
[07:33] <Daisuke_Ido> skwashd: you're getting annoying.  you obviously have anger issues, go punch a wall or something.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> now, be constructive, or leave.
[07:33] <Daisuke_Ido> Hobbsee: an unfortunate side-effect of the gnome-session thing is that no new apps can be launched
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: hmm, not spotting anything on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/122949 - does it happen if you kill and restart gnome-session?  (note, that will log you out)
[07:34] <wgrant> Daisuke_Ido: Have you straced it?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> er, almost that
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't happen until the pc's been on for some time
[07:34] <Hobbsee> very odd.
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what i thought
[07:34] <wgrant> Daisuke_Ido: Attach strace to it when it happens.
[07:34] <Oric> is ther any suitable drivers for ati now?
[07:35] <wartalker> i upgrade to 8.10, the sound driver seem ok, but it has no sound, my card is  "Intel Corporation 82801H", why
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> wgrant: ?
[07:35] <wgrant> Oric: As suitable as they ever have been.
[07:35] <wgrant> Daisuke_Ido: strace -p <whatever the PID of gnome-session is>
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not exactly familiar with hunting down bugs :)
[07:35] <Oric> i will upgrade to 8.1 tomorrow
[07:36] <Oric> happy and doubt
[07:36] <pen> Oric: it's 8.10
[07:36] <Oric> yeah 8.10 8.10
[07:36] <Oric> ^^
[07:36] <pen> Oric btw, kill your ghost or it's very annoying
[07:37] <Oric> ok
[07:37] <Oric> i'm newer here.sorry
[07:37] <skwashd> Daisuke_Ido: lmao
[07:37] <Oric> pen,what command i should put?
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still praying for amarok 2 to not suck by jaunty
[07:38] <Hobbsee> !ghost | Oric
[07:38] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That'll only work if you've registered the one with the tail.
[07:38] <wgrant> And most people don't.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it's not registered.
[07:39] <Oric> it said i can't ghost my self
[07:39] <pen> do /msg nickserv ghost Oric_
[07:39] <pen> you don't ghost the current nick
[07:40] <Oric> so what you mean by killing my ghost?
[07:41] <pen> you have Oric_ and Oric
[07:41] <OpenYouMouth> yeah
[07:41] <pen> one of them is your ghost I guess
[07:41] <Oric> yeah.i register nick Oric
[07:42] <pen> but there is Oric_
[07:42] <pen> kill it
[07:42] <Oric> let me see
[07:46] <skwashd> so Hobbsee is there a wiki page on tracking down kernel bugs?
[07:52] <xiaopi> I really need a fresh install ... it's good to have this 6month cycle =D
[07:53] <pen> I notice that my network manager will cause kernel panic if I connect to certain network
[07:59] <Guest68126> has anyone been able to get the ath5k driver to work? it loads fine but no networks are shown
[07:59] <Oric> open,i think oric_ is ghosted~~
[08:04] <pen> ??
[08:04] <tapas> i have restricted-modules-rt installed, but x starts to fail with "nvidia module not found"
[08:04] <pen> you still have Oric__
[08:06] <tapas> ok, moving xorg.conf leftover from hardy out of the way at least the failsave x seems to start
[08:07] <tapas> alas, only with a resolution of 1280x1024
[08:07] <tapas> hmmm
[08:10] <Hobbsee> skwashd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures#Kernel and related links look pretty reasonable
[08:18] <fbe>  HI does anyone get the apitest for bluez-4.12 running?  I untared the original bluez-4.12 tarball from bluez.org and start ./apitest GetMode
[08:18] <fbe>              within the test dir. All I get is this Failed to get default device: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "DefaultAdapter" with
[08:18] <fbe>              signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Manager" doesn't exist
[08:19] <Glitch> what will this channel become tomorrow ?!!?!!??
[08:19] <CROSSWINDS> hey guys, if i install, ubuntu first, and want kubuntu, and since intrepid is offically 4.1.2,whats the commandto install the full complete kde4.1.2 desktop?
[08:19] <tc111> i'm trying to do a 'sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release' but keep receiving "No new release found". i'm running a local repo of hardy and intrepid... am i missing something that i should be mirroring so that the machine sees that there is a devel release available?
[08:19] <rww> Glitch: the channel for discussion of Jaunty, I'd assume :)
[08:20] <CROSSWINDS> anyone?
[08:20] <Tyrath> so intrepid has no specific realise deadline?
[08:20] <rww> CROSSWINDS: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop or sudo aptitude install kde, depending on exactly what you want.
[08:20] <CROSSWINDS> idlike the full kde desktop
[08:21] <CROSSWINDS> cause they are both good
[08:21] <CROSSWINDS> dont mind having them both
[08:21] <rww> Tyrath: sure it does. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[08:21] <Tyrath> rww: i'm in console mode, how do I copy that link to the GUI
[08:22] <rww> CROSSWINDS: kubuntu-desktop will install all the packages that come with kubuntu. kde will install the full kde desktop. I believe kubuntu-desktop contains everything in kde, plus the kubuntu branding, but i don't use KDE, so i could be wrong
[08:22] <Tyrath> rww: or is there a way to surf in console mode that involves seeing source code instead of GUI
[08:22] <wgrant> Glitch, rww: This channel is normally closed until around the first alpha.
[08:22] <rww> Tyrath: don't bother, I'll just tell you. Intrepid's scheduled for release, and has been thus scheduled for a while, on October 30th.
[08:22] <CROSSWINDS> i dont know which one id wantif I could only have one
[08:22] <rww> wgrant: thanks for the correction
[08:22] <CROSSWINDS> kde or gnome
[08:23] <rww> CROSSWINDS: you can switch between them at the login screen if you install both :)
[08:23] <CROSSWINDS> both are damn good and you can install apps fromeither one into the other
[08:23] <Tyrath> rww: k thanks
[08:23]  * Tyrath thought intrepid was coming out tomorrow
[08:23] <wgrant> Tyrath: It is.
[08:23] <CROSSWINDS> it is..
[08:23] <Tyrath> it's already the 30th?
[08:23] <CROSSWINDS> 30th of oct
[08:23] <CROSSWINDS> not yet
[08:23] <Tyrath> god how time flies
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> but if you do a dist-upgrade now..
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> you can get 8.10 final
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> but no iso's are available yet
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> i didit,and fubard my system
[08:24] <Tyrath> really? so what's the point in waiting
[08:24] <wgrant> CROSSWINDS: It might not be final.
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> but that was my fault, i had reposfrom all over
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> lol
[08:24] <wgrant> We have had very late changes before.
[08:24] <Tyrath> oh
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> it doesnt say "beta" or "rc" anymore
[08:24] <CROSSWINDS> just says 8.10
[08:24] <xiaopi> CROSSWINDS, just get kubuntu then
[08:25] <wgrant> CROSSWINDS: That's so we can release if we don't find any more critical bugs.
[08:25] <xiaopi> i know everytime i used both i got some conflict in the end
[08:25] <Tyrath> wgrant, will patches be realeased on the site with late changes if I happen to install now?
[08:25] <wgrant> Rather than uploading at the last second before release to change it to 8.10, and potentially breaking everyone's system.
[08:25] <wgrant> Tyrath: They will come through as normal updates.
[08:25] <xiaopi> now i tend to stick to one or the other
[08:26] <Tyrath> wgrant: cool. so if I upgrade now there won't be any issues
[08:26] <wgrant> Tyrath: There might be, but very probably not.
[08:26] <xiaopi> gnome with only kde libs for the few kde app you need and there you go =D
[08:26] <Tyrath> wgrant: will intrepid provide away to copy and paste from console to console?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> console as in virtualterminal?
[08:27] <Tyrath> console as in console mode console
[08:27] <pen> how do I colorize my ttys?
[08:27] <Tyrath> as in big terminal
[08:27] <pen> or
[08:27] <pen> boot up text
[08:27] <pen> in virtual console
[08:27] <wgrant> Tyrath: How would that work?
[08:27] <Tyrath> wgrant: why wouldn't it?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> well, it catches it in .bash_history after you log out of the first console, for a start.
[08:28] <wgrant> Because that's not what VTs are for.
[08:28] <Tyrath> wgrant: what are they for then, other than installing, removing, directory management and console apps?
[08:29] <wgrant> Tyrath: Erm, are you talking about real VTs, or xterm-like things?
[08:29] <Tyrath> wgrant: consoles as in Ctrl + Alt + x consoles
[08:29] <Hobbsee> wgrant: real VTs, when you want a big screen, apparently.
[08:29] <Tyrath> where x indicates a number
[08:30] <wgrant> Tyrath: Why would you use those for installing, removing, directory management or console apps?
[08:30] <Hobbsee> not quite sure why you wouldn't just run them in xterm, unless your X has broken, but who knows...
[08:30] <Tyrath> wgrant: because they seem to be quicker. perhaps through lack of a GUI?
[08:31] <Tyrath> for example, IRC is quite fast in consoles
[08:31] <wgrant> Sigh.
[08:31] <xiaopi> btw is brand new install shipped with openoffice 3 already?
[08:31] <wgrant> xiaopi: No. Intrepid will not have OOo 3.
[08:31] <Tyrath> wgrant: fewer resources being expended
[08:31] <xiaopi> or not included yet
[08:32] <wgrant> Tyrath: Fewer resources being expended on things such as copy and paste.
[08:32] <Tyrath> if I open up a terminal, it's just another proccess running
[08:32] <wgrant> xiaopi: Not included ever.
[08:32] <wgrant> Tyrath: OH NO! A PROCESS! RUN!!!!
[08:32]  * rww sighs
[08:32] <Tyrath> wgrant: i know what you mean. but with installs I Copying and Pasting isn't very applicable
[08:32] <wgrant> Pardon?
[08:32] <Tyrath> wgrant: it's a bit slower
[08:33] <wgrant> It's a terminal. How can it be slower?
[08:33] <wgrant> What gives you the idea that it is significantly slower?
[08:33] <Tyrath> Tyrath: I can use tab to complete by directory paths
[08:33] <Roger_Klotz> Hi guys, I was wondering if theres a way for me to roll back to my hardy heron setup if i just upgraded to 8.10rc
[08:33] <Tyrath> wgrant: i didn't say significantly. I just find it's faster for things like IRC than a terminal
[08:34] <wgrant> Roger_Klotz: Not without reinstalling.
[08:34] <gnomefreak> Roger_Klotz: only supported way is to re-install
[08:34] <wgrant> I wish they'd implement window management on my TTYs.
[08:34] <Tyrath> wgrant: what would you use a console for?
[08:34] <rww> Roger_Klotz: basically, no. Rolling back packages almost always causes major headaches.
[08:34] <wgrant> Tyrath: Recovering my system if X is broken.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> wgrant: more than screen?
[08:34] <gnomefreak> wgrant: you  mean like using a mouse in TTY?
[08:34] <Tyrath> wgrant: otherwise you use terminals?
[08:35] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Yes. It should have nice window borders and overlappable windows and everything.
[08:35] <wgrant> Oh wait, that's X./
[08:35] <rww> wgrant: I see what you did there :)
[08:35] <MrHumsup> Hi guys having some issues with my dist-upgrade. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/keyboard-shortcuts-not-working-after-dist-upgrade-to-intrepid-679710/ Does anyone knows what is wrong and how I can resolve the problems?
[08:35] <wgrant> Tyrath: Otherwise I do what everybody else does and use gnome-terminal.
[08:35] <xiaopi> why ever?
[08:35] <xiaopi> gonna ship with next one then
[08:36] <wgrant> xiaopi: Because we don't upgrade the most abominable monstrosity to a new major version post-release.
[08:36] <wgrant> You'll see it in Jaunty.
[08:36] <Tyrath> wgrant: besides it sort of forces me to work without an interface. I really need to know how to use UNIX commands better - considering it's sort after for jobs, etc.
[08:36] <wgrant> One can't work without an interface.
[08:36]  * Hobbsee notes that probably classifies as "not a normal use case"
[08:36] <wgrant> Perhaps without a graphical user interface.
[08:37] <wgrant> But a computer without an interface is not particularly useful.
[08:37] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I agree more than ein hundert prozent.
[08:37] <Tyrath> wgrant: I wasn't implying that level of technicality
[08:37] <Tyrath> wgrant: when I said interface I meant GUI
[08:39] <xiaopi> We’ve learned that sometimes it is better to wait and deliver a well-tested product rather than trying to cram everything in at the last minute. With a six-month release cycle, it is never all that long for users to wait until the next one along; we fully expect 3.0 to be part of Ubuntu 9.04.
[08:39] <xiaopi> yeah gonna wait 6months or just get launchpad rep in the meantime
[08:41] <Hobbsee> there's a ppa with it in it, if you're desperate.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> might make it into -backports eventually, too
[08:41] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Er, but we have 24 hours until release. I hate Ubuntu developers - they never take this opportunity to put a new version of OOo in.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> wgrant: :P
[08:42] <Hobbsee> wgrant: yeah, gasp.  Go test some cds!
[08:42]  * Hobbsee cracks whip
[08:42] <RAOF_> wgrant: Is 24 hours actually long enough to build OOo? :)
[08:42] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I've tested desktop i386 on a few machines today, but not actually installed.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> oh, and update the topic saying we're asking for cd testers, too
[08:42] <wgrant> RAOF_: On some archs, particularly if we get palmer.
[08:44] <wgrant> RAOF_: But we should clearly delay release a day to put OOo3 in .
[08:44]  * Hobbsee throws a crack monkey at wgrant
[08:44] <wgrant> I'm sure slangasek would enjoy it.
[08:45] <pen> what does "quiet" in defoption=quiet splash mean?
[08:45] <wgrant> I really need to look at how OOo manages to be so bad at some point.
[08:45] <rww> pen: it suppresses a lot of messages that appear during bootup
[08:46] <pen> if I want the text but not the splash, should I also take up the quiet?
[08:46] <pen> rww: by how much?
[08:46] <rww> pen: yeah, probably. if you subsequently decide you're getting too much text, put it back in
[08:46] <pen> rww: I see
[08:47] <pen> rww: thx
[08:47] <rww> pen: you're welcome :)
[08:47] <pen> rww: btw, if I want to change the boot screen res, is adding vga to defoption enough?
[08:48] <cypherdelic> pah try startup manager
[08:48] <cypherdelic> pen
[08:48] <pen> rww: should I also add that to the kernel line?
[08:48] <pen> cypherdelic: well, I don't know if it still works in intrepid
[08:48] <luks> hi, I've upgraded to intrepid and arrow keys stopped working for me in apps like dosbox or vmware player. any idea what's wrong with that?
[08:48] <rww> pen: you'll need to do vga=somenumber, where the number depends on the specific mode you want (google vga=), and yes, it goes in the same place as splash and quiet were
[08:49] <cypherdelic> pen: for my it does, i can adust resolution, waiting time, theme etc
[08:49] <Jordan_U> Mplayer standalone plays video fine but with the mplayer firefox plugin I am just getting black ( audio is fine )
[08:49] <pen> cypherdelic: I know, I used that in hardy
[08:49] <rww> cypherdelic: thanks for the hint. i didn't know about startupmanager
[08:50] <cypherdelic> np its for the GUI fans
[08:50] <cypherdelic> :D
[08:50] <pen> cypherdelic: well, what happened if you have kernel upgrade?
[08:50] <pen> cypherdelic: it always get me headache when they want to update the menu.lst too
[08:50] <rww> pen: assuming you follow the instructions in menu.lst, the options you pick will persist through kernel upgrades
[08:51] <cypherdelic> i upgrade every kernel as soon as possible, on soime updates nothing happened (thats good)but once my Root FS wasnt found
[08:51] <pen> rww: for example? I thought they change everything
[08:52] <pen> cypherdelic: btw, I can't set widescreen res in startupmanager
[08:53] <cypherdelic> yes thats right, i guess it wobnt work at all
[08:53] <MrHumsup> luks: If you are running into the problems as described here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/keyboard-shortcuts-not-working-after-dist-upgrade-to-intrepid-679710/ then it looks like you are having the same problems as I am. Fwiw, still waiting for a solution. ;-)
[08:53] <cypherdelic> my TFT does autoscaling
[08:53] <pen> cypherdelic: I don't want autoscaling
[08:54] <cypherdelic> i guess bootsplashes is not available in widescreen
[08:54] <rww> pen: if you haven't heavily modified your menu.lst, there should be a bunch of comments to the effect of "edit these sections and add all your options in here, then the uncommented lines between "End Default Options" and "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" will get updated automatically by update-grub"
[08:54] <cypherdelic> are
[08:54] <pen> rww: what's the difference between ## and #?
[08:54] <rww> pen: none, it's decorative. Lines starting with any number of # are comments.
[08:54] <gnomefreak> pen: you mean for channels?
[08:55] <pen> cypherdelic: you are wrong, there is widerscreen res
[08:55] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:55] <cypherdelic> pen: depends on the interpreter usually both ar comments, but i may be wrong
[08:55] <pen> rww: I see, I thought # means something
[08:55] <cypherdelic> pen: how to setup a widescreen bootsplash then, have you got an advice for vga=?
[08:55] <rww> pen: # means the rest of the line is a comment. the commented lines are used by update-grub to decide what to put in the uncommented lines
[08:55] <gnomefreak> pen: its a comment and cypherdelic in bash you should be able to use either IIRC
[08:56] <cypherdelic> i havent found widescreen in that table of codes
[08:56] <DanaG> In menu.lst, the ## is comment, and # is automagic thingy.
[08:56] <rww> cypherdelic: when setting vga=, I usually just put in a random number. I get a message on boot with the option to show all available modes, which is more comprehensive than the tables I see online.
[08:56] <DanaG> vga=ask
[08:56] <rww> DanaG: didn't know about that. I guess ask does the same as my way :)
[08:56] <pen> rww: then if I change # defoption  does it really work?
[08:57] <cypherdelic> ok i did that before, but there is no widescreen resolution listed for me
[08:57] <rww> pen: yes, because update-grub sees the change when it's run, and applies it to the uncommented lines
[08:57] <pen> cypherdelic: you have to use hwinfo
[08:57] <cypherdelic> for what?
[08:58] <pen> sudo hwinfo --freambuffer | grep 'Mode'
[08:58] <pen> it will list out all the mode your screen support
[08:58] <pen> then you don't have to set it to ? and write it down during boot
[08:58] <DanaG> framebuffer -- check the spelling
[08:58] <pen> DanaG: :P
[08:58] <DanaG> My VESA BIOS does not have widescreen modes.
[08:58] <cypherdelic> my screen is widescreen, currently im in widescreen 1680x1050 i dont need to prrof that via hwinfo ;)
[08:59] <pen> cypherdelic: it gives you the # after vga
[08:59] <pen> # = number
[08:59] <cypherdelic> hm wait
[08:59] <DanaG> The thing is, the VESA bios does not use the Xorg video driver.
[08:59] <pen> rww: I see
[08:59] <pen> cool
[08:59] <DanaG> So that's the issue with console resolution.
[08:59] <pen> hm
[09:00] <DanaG> It has to use vesafb... which does not get all resolutions; instead, it just gets those that the VESA BIOS exposes.
[09:00] <rww> I love discussions like this... just learned about hwinfo too :D
[09:01] <cypherdelic> lol i did it, most widescreen resolutions are missing
[09:01] <cypherdelic> oops i mean ALL
[09:02] <pen> rww: it's a very useful tool
[09:02] <DanaG> Hmm, I hope the 64-bit kernel with have efifb: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.23-rc3/2.6.23-rc3-mm1/broken-out/x86_64-efi-boot-support-efi-frame-buffer-driver.patch
[09:03] <DanaG> Then I'll be able to have native-res consoles when I get the new laptop I plan to get, with UEFI.
[09:03]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[09:04] <pen> cypherdelic: what did you do?
[09:05] <cypherdelic> cypher@HaeckFlaisch:~$ sudo hwinfo --framebuffer | grep 'Mode'
[09:05] <cypherdelic> no widescreens
[09:05] <pen> hm
[09:05] <pen> weird
[09:05] <pen> are you sure?
[09:06] <cypherdelic> yes want a pastebin?
[09:06] <pen> check all the res that looks like widescreen
[09:06] <pen> ok
[09:06] <xiaopi>  is pusleaudio suppose to work completly ? (cause on my laptop no way to get it to work properly)
[09:06] <cypherdelic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63999/
[09:07] <rww> Yeah, my LCD's native res is 1680x1050, and I only see up to 1400x1050
[09:08] <mnemoc> rww: what xrand shows?
[09:08] <cypherdelic> i have no probling that my monitor scales up 1024x768 to 1680x1050, loooks very ok
[09:08] <pen> is it a bug too?
[09:08] <mnemoc> xrandr*
[09:08] <cypherdelic> rww: exactly the same here. Samsung 22" 1680x1050 on Nvidia 7150
[09:08] <rww> mnemoc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64002/
[09:09] <rww> mnemoc: I'm not too bothered, though, 'cause X.org is set up with 1680x1050 just fine, and 1400x isn't far off for console.
[09:09] <pen> probably 1400x1050 is the max?
[09:09] <pen> or
[09:09] <pen> I don't know
[09:09] <cypherdelic> i use my 22" as tv, god im glad when console is 640x480 so i can read anything :))))))
[09:10] <pen> cypherdelic: then you should stick with it :)
[09:10] <cypherdelic> its not fully HD but nearly
[09:12] <Alcapond> Hi - after upgrading to 8.10, Kontact lost all of its content, bacause of shift from .kde4 to .kde - now this dont bother me much - except: I need my tasks back - which folder do I have to copy to get them back?
[09:12] <cypherdelic> im sry i have no idea about kotz desktop environment
[09:12] <pen> brb, reboot and see my spice up bootloader :D
[09:14] <Jordan_U> xiaopi: What doesn't work for you with pulseaudio?
[09:16] <GibbaTheHutt> skype seems to have issues with it :)
[09:16] <loafers> I've been having trouble getting several computers to boot to Ubuntu 8.10 on my HDD via USB cable.  I set the boot sequence to USB always so I am confused why it works for actual USB flash drives and not for HDD connected through a USB cord.
[09:16] <loafers> Not only 8.10 but previous versions as well.
[09:17] <rww> loafers: if i remember correctly, it's a limitation of some BIOSs, because HDD connected through a USB cord use a different interface from actual USB flash drives. I don't know too much about it, though.
[09:18] <loafers> Ok that's a relief, I thought i did something wrong
[09:18] <pen> well
[09:18] <pen> the res is correct
[09:19] <pen> but the bootloader does not have any color at all
[09:19] <pen> this is not right
[09:19] <pen> why?
[09:20] <rww> pen: did you decide to use that GUI tool that someone posted, or are you editing menu.lst by hand?
[09:20] <pen> rww: by hand
[09:20] <pen> rww: I did the color format right
[09:20] <pen> rww: it worked before in hardy
[09:21] <rww> pen: Copypaste the line that starts #color?
[09:21] <rww> pen: so I can double-check it's right for you :)
[09:21] <pen> I uncomment it
[09:21] <pen> heh
[09:21] <pen> it's a very cool color combination I found on the internet
[09:22] <pen> color dark-grey/black white/red
[09:22] <pen> try it
[09:22] <pen> but I don't know why it is not working this time
[09:23] <rww> try dark-gray, maybe? the grub manual uses gray with an a, rather than grey with an e.
[09:23] <rww> although it might accept either
[09:23] <pen> ah
[09:23] <pen> aha
[09:23] <pen> I see
[09:24] <pen> thx
[09:24] <pen> well
[09:24] <rww> y/w
[09:24] <pen> you like it?
[09:25] <pen> y? yellow?
[09:25] <rww> haven't tried; my computer makes lots of noises when I restart and my roommate's asleep. I'll try it later, though :)
[09:25] <rww> sorry, y/w is "you're welcome"
[09:25] <pen> :D
[09:25] <pen> rww: just come out and do that shit in your lounge
[09:26] <rww> pen: my computer's half-dismantled under my bed. It'd take just as much noise to move it :P
[09:26] <pen> rww: then get a laptop then
[09:27] <pen> anyway
[09:27] <pen> I want to change the res for grub menu
[09:27] <pen> is it possible?
[09:28] <rww> pen: nope
[09:28] <pen> D:
[09:30] <rww> Grub inherits its resolution from your BIOS, which is standardized at 640x480 (VGA)... so unless your BIOS has a config option for resolution (which it almost definitely doesn't; i've never heard of such a thing, anyway), you're stuck
[09:30] <pen> rww: I hope someday someone would hack grub and add that option :)
[09:31] <wgrant> Why do you see a GRUB menu?
[09:32] <pen> wgrant: why do you ask this question?
[09:33] <wgrant> pen: Because I'm wondering why the GRUB menu's resolution matters given that you shouldn't be seeing it.
[09:33] <pen> wgrant: I just want uniformity
[09:34] <pen> wgrant: since I changed the res for boot prompt
[09:37] <grimsqueaker13> ok i know this is a long shot, but has anyone experienced sqlalchemy rowproxy keys being double quoted after upgrading to ibex?
[09:37] <ZeuGiRDoR> when I double click a mp3 file in Nautilus, Audacious replay the last played file. I must click it again when Audacious is opened in order to start playing my desired file. I'm using Intrepid Ibex RC. I've looked for a bug report in Launchpad without any result...
[09:40] <ViennaL> I'm having a real bad problem on a linux box of one of my clients... i installed ubuntu 8.10 which comes with kde 4.1 i guess. After logging in the screen flickers every 3 seonds on/off. but kdm login works great and everything else to ... but u can hardly work because screen goes on and off (LCD)
[09:41] <ViennaL> any ideas what can cause screen flickering only in kde logged in
[09:43] <wartalker> my sound card has no sound in 8.10, help
[09:44] <ZeuGiRDoR> ViennaL, maybe desktop effects
[09:44] <ViennaL> ZeuGiRDoR: how can i disable them?
[09:45] <ViennaL> ZeuGiRDoR: everything is default and i think its an onboard old grafikscard
[09:45] <ViennaL> graphicscard
[09:45] <ZeuGiRDoR> I don't know in KDE 4
[09:45] <ViennaL> ZeuGiRDoR: oldf SiS vga adapter
[09:45] <ViennaL> olf
[09:45] <ViennaL> old .. .damn keyboard
[09:46] <rww> ViennaL: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Troubleshooting
[09:46] <ViennaL> rww: thanks
[09:47] <ZeuGiRDoR> well, try disabling the KDE 4 composite effects
[09:48] <rww> ZeuGiRDoR: The link I posted details how to do that outside of KDE.
[09:48] <ZeuGiRDoR> rww, I see ;)
[09:48] <ViennaL> rww: jeah thank you both ... i will give it a try ...
[09:49] <VSpike> Will 8.10 have OOo 3?
[09:49] <rww> VSpike: nope
[09:50] <VSpike> ah OK - was just suprised not to see it when I fired up OOo ... just checking that was expected :)
[09:51] <rww> VSpike: yeah, 3.0 came out too late to be included in intrepid. It might end up being included in intrepid-backports, and will be in Jaunty.
[09:51] <ViennaL> VSpike: why is 8.10 missing open office 3 at the moment
[09:51] <ViennaL> rww: aha okay
[09:52] <VSpike> Was trying to run xvidcap and getting an error "xtoffmpeg.c add_video_steam(): video codec not found" ... anyone else see this?
[09:52] <VSpike> Probably some package of libavcodec missing but I've not idea what
[10:01] <|Dreams|> has anyone managed to get sound working using the alc889?
[10:01] <|Dreams|> in intrepid x64
[10:04] <|Dreams|> no then
[10:04] <|Dreams|> lool
[10:04] <|Dreams|> has anyone managed to get intel hda version alc889 on a acer aspire laptop to work yet
[10:07] <VSpike> can anyone give me a clue : using fusesmb my networking suddently disappears, and I have a line in the log: gort kernel: [69797.713426] fusesmb[16090]: segfault at 4 ip b7c03590 sp b5514dc0 error 4 in libsmbclient.so.0[b7b88000_386000]
[10:07] <VSpike> What package would this relate to? fusesmb? libsmbclient? kernel?
[10:08] <VSpike> and shouldn't apport pick this up?
[10:09] <schlady> |Dreams|, same problem here
[10:09] <void^> seems to crash in libsmbclient
[10:11] <darius12> hi, anybody else having issues with nm-applet not appearing in the gnome panel?
[10:11] <darius12> it is running (it shows in ps), and the notification area is there
[10:11] <darius12> but the nm-applet icon is nowhere to be found
[10:22] <alanbshepard77> Do I need to install something to be able to access windows shares? I have my windows folder shared correctly but when I try to open the folder like I did with hardy I get an error saying no app exists to open the share. I tried using the connect to server option from my places menu
[10:31] <humbolt> what is SCIM for, this thing annoys the hell out of me and it's usefulness is certainly not transparent to everybody.
[10:32] <humbolt> it just pops up in places where you don't want to have it
[10:32] <bazhang> !info scim
[10:32] <humbolt> and it seems to reset my keyboard layout to english all the time, screwing with the keyboard layout applet
[10:32] <bazhang> humbolt, see above
[10:33] <humbolt> bazhang: great, it states the title. no explanation whatsoever
[10:33] <bazhang> humbolt, I told you once before it is for asian language text input
[10:33] <bazhang> you must have missed it.
[10:34] <humbolt> that is about all you find anywhere. even their website does not tell you what the benefit of that annoying app should possibly be.
[10:34] <humbolt> bazhang: ah, tnx
[10:52] <darius12> I wonder how on earth can an applet not be visible in the panel. Does it not call its display method or something
[10:54] <void^> meh, nm-applet
[10:54] <void^> if i boot up with wired connected it still asks me for the keyring password (to bring up wireless), and if i just hit deny, assuming it will give up on wireless and be happy with eth0, it just hangs indefinitely and doesn't show its icon
[10:55] <darius12> void^: I seem to have this 'hangs indefinitely and doesn't show it's icon' problem too
[11:13] <slestakWM> pptp has had a flurry of activity lately.  with my last beta install (fully patched) it is still broken.  is anyone ele using pptp succesfully?
[11:15] <slestakWM> connecting to win2k server works well for nm 0.6 with gutsy and fails with nm 0.7 on II
[11:16] <predator363> where do i go to see if processor scaling is on and what its being scaled to?
[11:16] <slestakWM> does the alpha-beta-rc release get updated through apt up to the next release level
[11:16] <slestakWM> iirc /proc/cpuinfo
[11:17] <slestakWM> what i mean is by patching with apt, will my be made an rc release, or do you need t reinstall each new iso?
[11:17] <mattva01> having an issue with random freezing in intrepid 64-bit , I heard this has a common problem when you have a large amount of ram (I have 4 gigs). Is there any solution?
[11:19] <slestakWM> was machine stable with hardy or gutsy?
[11:20] <Paddy_EIRE> hey could someone tell me what the "Sabayon User" entry in the fast user switch applet is all about ?
[11:21] <mattva01> no
[11:22] <mattva01> similar issue, but it happens more with intrepid
[11:22] <Paddy_EIRE> takes me back to a slightly modified version of my login screen and asks for a mysterious pasword
[11:22] <Paddy_EIRE> *password
[11:23] <slestakWM> i would try 2 things, maybe memtest a while, and maybe try running on half of your dimms to see if you can localize a bad or poorly seated stick?
[11:23] <TheFuzzball>  Does anyone know why the Kubuntu RC1 liveCD boots into (initramfs) BusyBox?
[11:35] <VSpike> Can anyone help me debug a segfault in fusesmb? I want to get a backtrace to post a bug.
[11:35] <VSpike> I've installed the symbol packages but not having much joy with gsb
[11:35] <VSpike> gdb
[11:35] <definitely> Hello, is swap in Linux something like virtual memory in winblows ?
[11:35] <VSpike> http://pastebin.com/d31b2be6a
[11:36] <Hobbsee> definitely: effectively, yes
[11:36] <definitely> How can i disable that shit then ? :D
[11:36] <VSpike> gdb doesn't seem to attach properly, and if I provoke the segfault, gdb sees nothing
[11:36] <definitely> as i heard, if i have more than 1 GB Ram i dont need it, but i have 4 GB RAM :D
[11:37] <jgoguen> definitely: I have a system with 8GB and it runs much better with swap
[11:37] <definitely> jgoguen: Without swap it should be faster. I disabled virtual memory in my winblows, it runs fast
[11:37] <jgoguen> definitely: Linux != Windows :)
[11:38] <jgoguen> definitely: and I'm surprised, I've never heard of anyone, even with 4GB RAM, having Windows faster without the swap file
[11:38] <darius12> well, 256mb of swap is enough for most desktops
[11:38] <definitely> Vista works  very fast without Virtual memory.
[11:39] <jgoguen> definitely: what version?  I tried Home Premium and I had to re-enable it
[11:39] <definitely> Vista Ultimate.
[11:39] <darius12> more than that you get too much of a speed hit by the mem/disk speed difference
[11:39] <definitely> Virtual memory was seted to zero and it worked very good. :)
[11:39] <VSpike> I'm also getting problems like this http://pastebin.com/m45630ced
[11:40] <darius12> zero can work but it is better to have a little of swap to relieve some memory pressure some times
[11:40] <VSpike> Is the swap space used for hibernation?
[11:40] <jgoguen> definitely: well, you can just not create a swap partition when you install Ubuntu
[11:41] <darius12> VSpike: you can assign a separate swap partition for that
[11:41] <jgoguen> VSpike: yes, but IIRC you need slightly more swap space than you have RAM for it to be usable for hibernation
[11:41] <darius12> and just not enable it normally
[11:41] <definitely> I use hibernation without virtual memory in Vista
[11:41] <definitely> it works fine :)
[11:41] <VSpike> definitely: swap file support is now as efficient as swap partition support, and in linux you can turn it on and off without rebooting.  sudo swapon -s, sudo swapon /dev/hda5, sudo swapoff ...
[11:42] <VSpike> definitely: in windows, it creates a separate hibernation file
[11:42] <VSpike> definitely: in linux, it uses swap
[11:42] <jgoguen> definitely: Linux != Windows :)
[11:42] <definitely> but what you guys think, do i need swap or not :) ? i am bit green in linux
[11:42] <VSpike> definitely: also, you can have several different swap files/partitions enabled, and set priority on them
[11:42] <definitely> jgoguen: what means != ? :D
[11:42] <VSpike> definitely: you can even create on on a flash disk if oyu like
[11:42] <VSpike> definitely: does not equal
[11:43] <jgoguen> definitely: sorry...it means literally "not equal to"...in this case I mean it as a short form for "is not"
[11:43] <VSpike> definitely: so you can experiment yourself and see what works best, without rebooting
[11:43] <VSpike> definitely: on my desktop with 2G, my definition for swap in /etc/fstab was broken and I didn't notice for months
[11:43] <definitely> In my pc swap is always at zero usage :D
[11:44] <VSpike> On my laptop with 1.5G the same happened, and when I ran a Virtualbox VM and firefox and banshee, the machine hang :)
[11:44] <VSpike> hung? whatever
[11:44] <jgoguen> VSpike: with my 2GB machine I noticed as soon as swap got messed up :(
[11:45] <definitely> Ok, thnx for info. :) I should leave it to be on then ;D anyway it is not in use,
[11:45] <VSpike> On my 2GB machine now, I have a 1GB Virtualbox VM running and I have 34% swap used :)
[11:46] <VSpike> definitely: the linux memory management is good .. best to trust it to do its thing.  After all, whats a few gig of disk space?
[11:46] <definitely> Dunno, using 2x 2 GB 800 Mhz + Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 ;D Swap is zero ;D
[11:46] <definitely> 120 GB for my Ubuntu Intrepidf
[11:46] <VSpike> definitely: you can also tune how "swappy" the machine is if you want
[11:46] <alanbshepard77> VSpike: Do you have a problem using virtualbox in seamless mode? It goes crazy when I try to use it. Most of the time the guest OS leaves nasty remnants on my desktop.
[11:47] <VSpike> definitely: endless possibility to tweak and tune :)
[11:47] <VSpike> alanbshepard77: ouch.  I think I tried it once and it broke so hard I never tried again :)
[11:47] <definitely> Seamless mode makes problems
[11:47] <definitely> for me too
[11:47] <definitely> you should use minimum 2 applications for it, else it will fail
[11:48] <alanbshepard77> VSpike, definitely: I'm just glad to know it was screwy for others.
[11:48] <definitely> VMWare has smth similar called Unity doesnt it
[11:48] <definitely>  ?
[11:49] <VSpike> So, no-one can help me with gdb problem?  Maybe I should just post the bug and hope the devs on launchpad can advise
[11:50] <InFeh> Anyone else been having problems with nvidia-settings and possibly xrandr? xrandr doesn't find my second monitor, nvidia-settings does, is able to configure it, but doesn't enable it.
[11:51] <InFeh> As it is now, my second monitor is part of my desktop, but doesn't display anything.
[12:01] <pawan> hi
[12:01] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[12:04] <Hobbsee> never!
[12:07] <rocky> what's the most supported (ie preferred) way of say encrypting an entire directory on intrepid ?
[12:11] <joaopinto> rocky, you could use the Private directory, and just create a link on the original dir path that you want to encrypt
[12:12] <joaopinto> I am assuming you are talking about an user related dir, not system
[12:12] <rocky> joaopinto: well using "the Private directory" is probably fine but i've not heard of this... please elaborate :)
[12:12] <rocky> yes, user dir
[12:13] <joaopinto> rocky, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[12:13] <rocky> thanks!
[12:14] <rocky> joaopinto: this workstation is upgraded from hardy heron ... and i'm noticing i don't have a Private dir, guess i might have to do some manual setup
[12:14] <joaopinto> yes, you need the private dire setup, described on the wiki ;)
[12:15] <joaopinto> the private dir is a new feature from 8.10
[12:15] <legend2440> rocky: this might be less confusing     http://dustinkirkland.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/encrypted-private-directories-in-ubuntu-intrepid/
[12:16] <rocky> right... i'm on 8.10 right now upgraded from hardy
[12:16] <rocky> that wiki page is a big ol proposal... still scanning for the actual instructions ;)
[12:16] <Cameron> if I install the RC version, then update using APT after 8.10 is released, will I have an identical system as if I installed 8.10 release itself ?
[12:16] <rocky> legend2440: thanks, will look there too
[12:16] <rski> Cameron: yes when it's released.
[12:21] <predator363> anyone in?
[12:22] <rocky> ok so essentially "ecryptfs-setup-private" is what i want... but i can't seem to find if there's any way to use my existing gpg key as the private key for my encrypted Private dir
[12:22] <rocky> anyone know if that's possible?
[12:26] <spirit3> Hi all, I have serious issues with the daily build and RC versions of 8.10.  No USB support - keyboard/mouse inoperable :(
[12:26] <spirit3> Booting the installer from USB drive works fine, but once install I lose USB ...
[12:31] <Delvien> plb mount command should show the filesystem type
[12:36] <spirit3> oddly, using USB->PS2 adapters doesn't work either
[12:37] <spirit3> still no keyboard/mouse
[12:44] <spirit3> ahha - once 8.10 installs it doesn't put a proper xorg.conf into place
[12:44] <awkorama> spirit3: it should be ignored starting 8.10
[12:44] <spirit3> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh x...blah also doesn't do it (puts the same file in place missing input devices)
[12:44] <awkorama> afaik
[12:45] <spirit3> oh, I've just done an X -configure and the file that generated works
[12:45] <Pici> spirit3: Xorg 7.4 no longer requires a full xorg.conf to exist.
[12:45] <spirit3> Pici: Fair enough, but the miminal config didn't wpork on this machine
[12:46] <ubuntakias> can someone help me how to change icons at ubuntu 8.04 ?
[12:47] <Pici> ubuntakias: #ubuntu is the channel to ask in for 8.04 support.
[12:48] <ubuntakias> ty
[12:49] <plagerism> Hello, I am having an issue with one of my boxes at  home in intrepid.  I saw a couple of bug reports that seem similar, but not exact, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/272926.  Basically after a certain amount of time in X, the computer locks up.  Same effect with nvidia-177 nvidia-173 and nv drivers.  I dont have a synaptic touchpad on that system
[12:49] <plagerism> Anyone have hardlocking in intrepid due to Xorg?
[12:50] <pfarrell> is anyone having pygtk trouble in intrepid?
[12:51] <spirit3> Will the launch tomorrow go ahead?  Seems we have a lot of show stopping issues
[12:51] <pfarrell> I have a site-specific application that uses a CellRendererCombo and it looks very broken since the upgrade
[12:56] <Gweeetszorano> I'm having sound loss with Ibex.
[12:57] <roktangent> Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server with the encrypted LVM option?  I booted a bunch of ISO's I have, but it doesn't seem to be in any of the installers...is it strictly on the alternative CD?
[12:57] <Gweeetszorano> Does anyone know a fix for it, other than "alsa force-reload"?
[13:01] <tc111> i'm trying to do a 'sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release' but keep receiving "No new release found". i'm running a local mirror/repo of hardy and intrepid that updates every 5 hours... am i missing something in my mirrors.list that i should be mirroring so that the machines can tell that there is a devel release available?
[13:01] <mnemoc> tc111: sudo update-manager -d
[13:01] <tc111> mnemoc: from a gui-less test server?
[13:02] <mnemoc> :)
[13:03] <dns53> when is intrepid going to be released?
[13:04] <W8TAH> dns53, october 31
[13:04] <W8TAH> is what ive heard
[13:04] <Pici> !ibex
[13:04] <dns53> so no major bugs? i have not heard much, it seems quiet
[13:04] <elkbuntu> dns53, it'll be some time on friday most likely. 31st aussie time.
[13:05] <dns53> no one is ogranizing release parties from what i can tell
[13:05] <elkbuntu> dns53, well, slug night is the 31st.
[13:06] <dns53> anying in adelaide?
[13:07] <elkbuntu> i dont know. is there any mention on the lists?
[13:07] <dns53> none
[13:17] <joaopinto> is the atheros driver supposed to work on the livecd, but not on an installed system ?
[13:18] <spirit3> There's problems with Atheros drivers :(
[13:19] <joaopinto> it works flawless on the livecd
[13:19] <joaopinto> on the installed system I have installed the backport module, for the wlan0 device to be available
[13:19] <joaopinto> but I am unable to connect to the AP
[13:20] <spirit3> I didn't do anything with backports, but I did disable networkmanagre and set up the device manually - which worked for a time
[13:20] <alpha> I need some help with rotating a second monitor.  8.10 does not work like 8.04 and I cant figure it out.  I have tried both rotate ccw and xrandr modes and both produce the same effect.  the rotated monitor displays in the correct rotation, but only displays down as far as the other screen then a black bar appears.  The mouse will go into the black but windows will not cover it.
[13:20] <joaopinto> the livecd provided an ath0 device, unlike the current wlan0, so I guess it uses a different driver
[13:20] <spirit3> then the latest daily build seemed to exclude the modules required so broke it altogether
[13:21] <spirit3> I think they switche from ath_pci to ath5k/9k - but could be mistaken
[13:22] <joaopinto> grr, I what a problematic upgrade :\
[13:26] <spirit3> yup, and I've just noticed an updgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 puts the new modules in /lib/modules and config etc in /boot but then fails to a) place the correct vmlinuz into place and b) doesn't update grub anyway ...
[13:27] <joaopinto> spirit3, I already reported that a few days ago
[13:27] <spirit3> in fairness they may be updates since the last RC build but I can't fetch updates due to wireless being broken
[13:28] <spirit3> joaopinto: excellent - saves me doing it :)
[13:28] <joaopinto> Please check bug 287747
[13:29] <Luke> anyone know how to sync to ntp with ibex? I dont see any gui options for it
[13:29] <joaopinto> Another person experiencing it maybe usefull, since the initial feedback was "unable to reproduce"
[13:30] <tvakah> say, what is "the command" to upgrade a hardy server to intrepid?
[13:30] <joaopinto> tvakah, do-release-upgrade
[13:31] <tvakah> ahha, thanks much joaopinto
[13:38] <nemo> Anyone know why most icon themes don't seem to work on folders anymore?
[13:39] <tc111> i see that mnemoc recommended update-manager, but i'm using a gui-less server.. so, any other suggestions for: i'm trying to do a 'sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release' but keep receiving "No new release found". i'm running a local mirror/repo of hardy and intrepid that updates every 5 hours... am i missing something in my mirrors.list that i should be mirroring so that the machines can tell that there is a devel release available?
[13:39] <tvakah> tc111, sudo do-release-upgrade -d worked for me here on a newly loaded hardy server
[13:40] <alpha> I need some help with rotating a second monitor.  8.10 does not work like 8.04 and I cant figure it out.  I have tried both rotate ccw and xrandr modes and both produce the same effect.  the rotated monitor displays in the correct rotation, but only displays down as far as the other screen then a black bar appears.  The mouse will go into the black but windows will not cover it.
[13:40] <tc111> tvakah: thanks, trying now...
[13:40] <tvakah> tc111, however I had manually slimmed down /etc/apt/sources.list and done a s/hardy/intrepid
[13:41] <Rubin> alpha, whoa, thats weird
[13:41] <tc111> tvakah: really, i did that when switching to hardy from gutsy, but i thought that was a thing of the past... if that's the solution, then i've been there done that and can move forward with testing. thanks.
[13:42] <Rubin> alpha, "don’t be skeptical if there’s a huge black bar on your screen - you probably just need to restart the X-server again (ctrl+alt+backspace) and then you’re set"  from some random blog. you restarted X?
[13:43] <alpha> Rubin: yeah rebooted the whole machine each time actually .. no joy
[13:43] <PovAdct_w> use a larger hammer
[13:43] <Rubin> alpha, nvidia?
[13:44] <alpha> yes quadro fx
[13:44] <Rubin> alpha, kde?
[13:45] <alpha> Rubin: no its gnome .. this all worked in 8.04 i even tried my xorg.conf file from that release and it has the same issue
[13:45] <Rubin> alpha, yeah it sounds like either a window-manager bug, or an xorg bug to me
[13:45] <alpha> Rubin: I wonder as well
[13:46] <alpha> Rubin: its really frustrating .. i have 2x 24" and 1 is displaying sideways right now and wont rotate .. lol
[13:46] <alpha> Rubin: how or better yet .. to who would i report the issue ?
[13:46] <Welshman> I prefer the other ubuntu desktop
[13:47] <Welshman> just updated
[13:47]  * Rubin likes the coffee stain one
[13:47] <Welshman> yeah, it was different
[13:48] <Rubin> man launchpad bugtracker is dragging ass. I wonder if its getting slammed by testers
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work1> Hobbsee: asac asked me to install nm -dbgdym
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work1> but I don't know how to do that!
[13:48] <Welshman> with release coming up I guess they didnt want to put people off
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work1> wgrant: ping
[13:49] <alpha> Any idea if they will have the nautalis samba mounting bug fixed by release .. they seem to be dragging butt on some of these issue
[13:49] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work1: Hi.
[13:49] <Welshman> my ati hd 2400 works great in ibex, well done
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work1> alpha: using gvfs seems to work around it for me
[13:49] <Kosmo321> upgraded to kubuntu 8.10 but mouse no longer works. Anybody else have this happen?
[13:50] <wgrant> alpha: Works flawlessly for me, and I'm not aware of any known issues. We can't fix things if you don't report them.
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work1> thanks to wgrant for the pointer
[13:50] <Welshman> especially since there is no ati driver for it?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work1> wgrant: : asac asked me to install nm -dbgdym. how do I do that ?
[13:50] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work1: Add ddebs.ubuntu.com to your sources.list, and install network-manager-dbgsym
[13:50] <alpha> wgrant: its been reported about 1000 times over the last week.  I can give you details now if you would like, its fairly easy to reproduce
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work1> thanks
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work1> google did not give me that repo
[13:51] <wgrant> alpha: Do you have a bug number?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work1> wgrant: I know the bug he is talking about
[13:52] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work1: But I do not.
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work1> I just got an email from LP asking the same thing... to retest
[13:52] <alpha> wgrant:  it actually seems to be working now with domain auth (which was not working last time i checked) .. let me try on my workgroup and off the domain
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work1> let me look in my trahs
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work1> I think its bug 211631, correct alpha?
[13:54] <alpha> wgrant:  yeah no workgroup doesnt work.  trying to auth to a share on a machine or nas device that is not setup on the domain fails still
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work1> oh way
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work1> that's a diferent thing!
[13:54] <alpha> BUGabundo_work1: that is part of it .. but my issue and others that i have heard of is they cannot do smb://share/ and then correctly auth through naut
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work1> I'm not following that bug!
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work1> it was been working for me, preaty well, with nautilus
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work1> no more empty folders.... that sucked on hardy
[13:56] <wgrant> alpha: Non-domain auth works fine for me. That device wouldn't be using LANMAN-only auth, would it?
[13:57] <alpha> my main concern is fixing this screen rotation issue that has poped up in 8.10 .. not sure where the problem is coming from
[13:57] <alpha> wgrant:  the nas box i have would be
[13:57] <alpha> wgrant: but the computer beside it wouldnt
[13:57] <wgrant> alpha: Only oldish braindead NASes should be.
[13:58] <alpha> wgrant: consider it that then ... but i cant replace it we use it still with some old systems
[13:59] <alpha> wgrant:  there is a workaround though .. i can just mount trough terminal or fstab and it works fine
[13:59] <wgrant> Hmmm, it be 1am. I should go to bed.
[14:00] <Rubin> alpha, put your xorg.conf on pastebin.ca
[14:00] <alpha> Rubin: sure np
[14:00] <Rubin> alpha, i suspect it has more to do with mismatched screens than the rotation, exactly.
[14:01] <BUGabundo> wgrant: W: Failed to fetch ftp://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Release.gpg  Could not connect to ddebs.ubuntu.com:21 (91.189.90.146), connection timed out
[14:01] <BUGabundo> grep ddeb /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:02] <BUGabundo> deb ftp://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse
[14:02] <alpha> Rubin:
[14:02] <alpha> Rubin: http://pastebin.ca/1239622
[14:03] <VSpike> When I try to record anything with xvidcap I get the message "xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found"
[14:03] <VSpike> Any idea how I can debug this?
[14:03] <alpha> VSpike: i have the same issue i finally gave up
[14:04] <VSpike> alpha: annoyingly it won't even record single frame images, which should not depend on ffmpeg/libavcodec
[14:04] <VSpike> alpha: I only wanted to use it to report a bug too :) hehe
[14:04] <BUGabundo> wgrant: Failed to fetch http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[14:04] <BUGabundo> what am I doing wrong ?
[14:04] <VSpike> alpha: did you open a bug?
[14:05] <alpha> VSpike: i did not .. but let me know if you do i will contribute
[14:05] <VSpike> thx, will do now
[14:06] <BUGabundo> ahhhh deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs/ intrepid main universe
[14:09] <Rubin> alpha, what happens if you comment out the RandRRotation and do the other Rotate instead?
[14:09] <alpha> Rubin:  exactly the same thing .. either rotation method = same results
[14:10] <Rubin> alpha, it looks like you have twinview disabled. why is that?
[14:10] <alpha>  because i use a dock and it would be placed 1/2 on one monitor and 1/2 on the other with twinview
[14:11] <BUGabundo> is it just me or is LP having timeouts?
[14:12] <Rubin> alpha, you might try remoning the auto-select meta-modes thing and specifying them manually
[14:12] <Rubin> removing*
[14:12] <VSpike> alpha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xvidcap/+bug/290728
[14:12] <alpha> Rubin: ill try it out thanks
[14:12] <alpha> VSpike: thanks
[14:16] <spree> Hi. Is the newest version of PHP included in Ibex? Hardy is like 2 versions behind and there are security vulnerabilities in older versions
[14:17] <definitely> What is difference between Nvidia-Settings and Nvidia-Xconfig
[14:17] <Rubin> spree, whene there are security fixes in ubuntu, changes are back-ported without version increases. so just because the overall version is as old as one on php's site with a bug, doesnt mean the bug exists
[14:22] <stahlstift> Is now a server known where I could already download the final version from 8.10 ?
[14:23] <Pici> stahlstift: Seeing as how its not out yet... no.
[14:23] <stahlstift> pici: the spreading always begins earlier... I got 8.04 final also 2 days before release...
[14:24] <Pici> stahlstift: It depends on what iso bugs are still being squashed.
[14:25] <darius12> and what would be the benefit in getting it a day earlier anyway? it's not like it is a big secret what will be in it :)
[14:26] <stahlstift> darius12: you can updated...
[14:26] <stahlstift> *update
[14:26] <stahlstift> and don´t have to wait 4 days untill the mirrors are free again
[14:27] <darius12> bittorrent would probably help with this problem
[14:29] <xy77> My System freezes, whenever I start glxgears or a GL screensaver. Bootlog states [fglrx] GART Table is not in FRAME_BUFFER range. This is a Thinkpad T42p with ATI FireGL Mobility T2.
[14:30] <xy77> using Intrepid of course and this problem only appeared today after an update, yesterday it was not there.
[14:32] <spree> Rubin: I don't understand. Are you saying that even though PHP is an older version the security flaw is fixed in it?
[14:32] <spree> Rubin: that really doesn't sound like it rings true
[14:32] <rski> you know what a backport is spree ?
[14:33] <rski> or older version's aren't affected.
[14:33] <rski> could be loads of things
[14:33] <td123> darius12: actually the torrent is also bogged down to really slow speeds too :D
[14:33] <spree> well, when I do Nessus scans against my servers i get warnings that i'm using older versions that have vulnerabilities. It's hard for me to maintain security compliance when that is the case
[14:34] <xy77> Can someone help me find out what's wrong, please?
[14:34] <td123> darius12: my university offers an ubuntu mirror so I can download it in about a minute or less :P
[14:34] <nemo>  /usr/bin/compiz.real (colorfilter) - Fatal: Fragment program support missing.
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg> hello everyone
[14:36] <spree> !ask xy77
[14:36] <spree> xy77 just ask the question
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg> does anybody know hot to set ntp on intrepid?
[14:36] <xy77> My System freezes, whenever I start glxgears or a GL screensaver. Bootlog states [fglrx] GART Table is not in FRAME_BUFFER range. This is a Thinkpad T42p with ATI FireGL Mobility T2. using Intrepid of course and this problem only appeared today after an update, yesterday it was not there.
[14:37] <xy77> and using the fglrx drivers
[14:44] <DanaG> Ugh, gnome-power-manager is ignoring my sleep hotkey.
[14:47] <DanaG> Isn't FireGL T2 in the 9800 (R350) era or earlier?  If so, try the open-source driver.
[14:48] <drx777> DanaG do you know whether it supports 3d acceleration?
[14:50] <Cameron> gotta love usb-creator
[14:50] <Cameron> installing new versions of ubuntu is now soo much faster.. (and usb-creator worked for me in hardy)
[14:52] <drx777> *trying-free-driver-* *brb*
[14:53] <Rubin> spree, if nessus is only checking the version and not actualy checking for the vulnerability, thats kinda a bogus scan.
[14:53] <Rubin> spree, all big distros backport security fixes. you cant be upgrading to the lastest version of things all the time just because theres a security fix. you only want to fix the security, not also get new bugs from feature changes etc.
[14:54] <nemo> Rubin: but, but, that's not how it works in windows :)
[14:54] <Rubin> nemo, rofl
[14:54] <mnemoc> !touchpad
[14:54] <Cameron> is nautilus meant to show user created bookmarks in the file dialog .. its really annoying that it doesn't
[14:55] <Rubin> spree, its also possible you dont have the security updates repository defined, and really are running the old version. do a dpkg -l php5 and see what version it is, check on ubuntu's security site about it to see if its got the fix
[14:56] <Rubin> spree, for example, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-628-1
[14:57] <louise> Hello, this is driving me nuts
[14:58] <louise> I installed the driver to my webcam and lost wifi
[14:58] <czajkowski> ohh that;s a pain
[14:58] <louise> I have one of those atheros chipsets
[14:59] <louise> I can't seem to recover wifi. I tried every google guide out there
[14:59] <Rubin> installed the driver to your webcam how exactly?
[14:59] <louise> Rubin, it was a deb file which installs a DKMS module for microdia webcams
[14:59] <Rubin> obtained from where?
[15:00] <louise> Rubin,  just a sec
[15:00] <Rubin> rule #1 of debian/ubuntu is do not install .deb's from 3rd parties unless you like things to break ;)
[15:00] <Rubin> if they were stable they would be in the normal repository ;)
[15:00] <louise> Rubin, I like things to work, but my webcam was not.
[15:01] <Rubin> i understand
[15:01] <Rubin> webcams have always been a week spot in linux
[15:01] <Rubin> you tried uninstalling the deb?
[15:02] <mnemoc> can anyone share his synaptics config snap from xorg.org with me?
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, here it is
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ubuntu/pool/main/m/microdia-dkms/
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, I didn't. Should I?
[15:04] <Rubin> well theres a couple things i'd try
[15:04] <Alpo\> i have no mouse cursor
[15:04] <Rubin> one is, it would be good to know if removing it undoes whatever it did
[15:04] <Alpo\> the mouse works, but the cursor isn't visible
[15:05] <louise> Rubin, ok. I will try that]
[15:05] <Rubin> louise, the other is, you can do dpkg -L microdia-dkms (or whatever its called) and see a list of files it installed which might help you figure out what its doing. theres 2 possibilities; either its well behaved, but some hardware/driver conflict is breaking things, or that .deb broke the configuration
[15:05] <[tla]> anyone know how long it usually takes vmware to release a vmware-tools kit for a new ubuntu release?
[15:08] <louise> Rubin, ok, the dpkg thing didn't reveal anything to my knowledge. I will try uninstalling it
[15:08] <Alpo\> can anyone help me with invisible mouse cursor?
[15:09] <louise> we need dkms for that atheros driver
[15:09] <louise> brb
[15:19] <lhoersten> I'm having issues with x not getting x events from my mouse after a certain amount of activity. what package should I report this to?
[15:22] <fx5> ﻿I tried to find why the game "defendguin" doesn't work. I found out that it works when i recompile the package, with no source-code changes. The bug-reports are duplicates of a non-public bug. I wonder how many packages are affected by this bug, and why it is non-public. Can anyone say something about this?
[15:23] <louise_> heck]
[15:23] <louise_> That didn't do it
[15:25] <fx5> The bug is #267265. I feel bad seing a non-public build-bug in an open-source-os, because it shows that the binary package is not the same as the build of the source-package
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> why won't static ip configurations stick?
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> every time i reboot i have to reconfigure my static ip in the new networkmanager
[15:28] <jtechidna> fx5: unprivated
[15:29] <mini-man> ok strange problem... I can only hear sound from the right side of my headphones/speakers
[15:29] <mini-man> it only started today
[15:29] <mini-man> yesterday it was working fine...
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the balance is set properly is the only idea i've got
[15:30] <mini-man> that's the first thing I checked
[15:30] <mini-man> also, I've got everything set to OSS in sound prefs because that's the only thing that works when I hit test, ALSA just fails
[15:30] <mini-man> i hear static if I set anything to alsa.
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> unfortunately, if it's headphones, speakers, and everything else, it could be a hardware problem :(
[15:30] <mini-man> can't be, it worked till yesterday, I slept, woke up, and now it doesn't work o.0
[15:31] <mini-man> also in alsamixer I only see pulseaudio as the chipset...not ALC883 what it should be (used to be)
[15:34] <fx5> ﻿jtechidna: ok, thank you. The report does not include any information, does ist? Does it mean, the problem is unknown?
[15:35] <csheach> all: i installed intrepid yesterday, and my wireless didn't work. after installing windows wireless driver, no probs. however, 4 hours later, my touchpad didn't come back on after hibernate. any ideas?
[15:36] <ericrw> macbook keyboad support... really bad.  I can't imagine this is releasing this way?
[15:37] <ericrw> the arrow keys are mismapped, they just don't work.
[15:37] <frybye> Hi - just installed a new hp F4210 combi- printer/scanner device.. was correctly identified and installed as far as i can tell - but how do I acess the scanner??
[15:37] <frybye> the handbook deals only with windows and macintosch...
[15:38] <christopher> I hate this
[15:38] <binspace> My keyboard repeat rate is inconsistent, anybody else have that issue?
[15:38] <DanaG> my keyboard is also weird:
[15:39] <DanaG> Right and Up arrows repeat.... but Left and Down do not.
[15:39] <binspace> Its driving me nutz
[15:39] <binspace> yes
[15:39] <binspace> thats my issue
[15:39] <binspace> Actually, up and right are faster than left and down
[15:39] <DanaG> For me, they just don't repeat at all.
[15:39] <ericrw> the whole HID-input thing seems to be royally screwed
[15:39] <NET||abuse> grrr,, eeepc-acpi-scripts depends on acpi-support-base, but that package doesn't exist in the repo.. is this just missing or an obsolete dependancy by that package?
[15:39] <binspace> DanaG: Are you using the nvidia driver?
[15:40] <big_danmahony> Does anyone know if my Nvidia GEforce mx 440 will work with the final version of 8.10???
[15:40] <ericrw> it also broke my keyboard->mouse_button bindings
[15:40] <big_danmahony> Im running one of the fianl bet versions and it doesnt work
[15:40] <big_danmahony> *final beta
[15:40] <DanaG> I had to downgrade my X server back to the Hardy version to get the nvidia binaries to work.
[15:41] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 drivers have been broken for like 5 months.
[15:41] <big_danmahony> arg why didnt I think of that
[15:41] <big_danmahony> thanks
[15:41] <csheach> i installed intrepid yesterday, and my wireless didn't work. after installing windows wireless driver, no probs. however, 4 hours later, my touchpad didn't come back on after hibernate. any ideas?
[15:41] <DanaG> It's very risky and unsupported, though.
[15:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, nvidia has very firmly placed themselves on my "do not buy" list, for the various issues I've had over the past two years, both in Windows and Linux.
[15:42] <ksbalaji> will my present settings be undisturbed when upgrading to 8.10 please? - I have also installed some third party applications!
[15:42] <DanaG> (that's how long I've  had the other, nvidia-177 based) laptop.
[15:42] <big_danmahony> Has anyone got the final release for 8.10,the countdown led me to believe that it was available today?
[15:42] <big_danmahony> I was hoping that I would just upgrade to that and it would be fine
[15:43] <DanaG> The NV driver doesn't support resume from suspend.
[15:43] <binspace> yeah, hopefully by the next release, nv will support dual monitort
[15:43] <DanaG> At least, it doesn't work properly for me.
[15:43] <binspace> yeah, its slowly getting better
[15:44] <DanaG> It also can't play videos -- either it inverts two, but not all three, color channels... or it plays a few frames and then stops updating.
[15:44] <big_danmahony> I guess the countdown is for a different timezone
[15:44] <ksbalaji> hey someone with 8.10 here ? I need to know if upgrade to 8.10 will let my settings remain.
[15:44] <big_danmahony> yeah I'm pretty sure all your settings will bethe same
[15:45] <DanaG> It should, as long as you take care to look at the questions about modified configuration files.
[15:45] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, I also hope. I have some third party applications which I would not like to loose.
[15:45] <big_danmahony> I've never lost anything
[15:45] <frybye> short version of my problem - how do I scann with intrepid-ibex (hp f2100 combi-printer-scanner-)
[15:46] <big_danmahony> Maybe wait until the final release is out just to be certain
[15:46] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, have u upgraded? maybe beta?
[15:47] <big_danmahony> I've upgraded previous versions (7.10 to 8.04) and that was fine,it kept all my previous settings
[15:47] <Alpo\> what can be the cause for a invisible mouse cursor
[15:47] <jameswf> rc has been pretty solid for me, but I am an expert in most things linux so I have certain expectations of how things are that make some issues and annoyances  seem trivial.
[15:47] <big_danmahony> but never upgraded to beta
[15:48] <jameswf> big_danmahony: it is 24 hours just wait
[15:48] <csheach> jameswf: as an expert, can i ask for assistance in restoring my touchpad?
[15:48] <frybye> even shorter version of question: How does one scann with intrepid??
[15:48] <big_danmahony> I just started fresh because I wanted to get rid of some annoyances and bloat
[15:48] <ksbalaji> Now my Hardy is very -excellently- stable. Since I am informed that reverting back to Hardy is not possible unless one has backup, I am worried. I cannot have the entire thing backed up.
[15:49] <big_danmahony> what are you afraid of losing? programs?
[15:49] <jameswf> I had been through 2 dist upgrades so yeah I wiped my system too this time through.... dist upgrades are hell on a system
[15:49] <DanaG> Backups are one of those things people really should do, but often don't.
[15:49] <big_danmahony> external hard drives are the best way to go about backups.also setting your home directory as a different partition
[15:51] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, something like thirdparty installations. I don't know how many I have installed. But they all work in Hardy and have nicely integrated.
[15:51] <jasmuz> No sound output on Ibex, everything was going fine all of a sudden no more, i have reinstalled pulseaudio and alsa, nothing... i can see there is an output, but none via my speakers.. wich are good, ive been playing WoW on Windows in this same machine
[15:52] <jasmuz> ?
[15:52] <frybye> looking for help with installing/using scann feature of a HP F4210 printer/scanner??? any offers???
[15:52] <jasmuz> Any ideas ?
[15:52] <ksbalaji> jameswf, dont you have third party installations? say, wine directly installed instead from repositories? - wine direct is very good.
[15:52] <big_danmahony> ksbalaji, I think you should be fine to upgrade
[15:53] <jasmuz> ??
[15:53] <big_danmahony> jasmus, Do some googling, I had a Hp scanner/Printer and had no luck but that was on 7.10
[15:53] <DanaG> frybye: try installing the package gnomescan -- that may do it.
[15:53] <DanaG> !info gnomescan
[15:54] <DanaG> !info flegita
[15:54] <maco> 64bit intrepid users?
[15:54] <jameswf> I have croxxover now :)
[15:54] <jameswf> *crossover
[15:54] <Rubin> dont we all :P
[15:55] <maco> have any 64bit users experienced an issue where it just keeps rebooting?  Two people have reported it, but there's not enough information
[15:55] <maco> Rubin: i don't
[15:55] <maco> what use is it? just about anything FOSS already runs on Linux
[15:55] <jasmuz> Guys mi issue is this: No sound output on Ibex, everything was going fine all of a sudden no more, i have reinstalled pulseaudio and alsa, nothing... i can see there is an output, but none via my speakers.. wich are good, ive been playing WoW on Windows in this same machine
[15:56] <maco> jasmuz: if you do "aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav" do you get sound?
[15:56] <Rubin> maco, theres a lot of cases where enterprise apps or utils for products require windows, and if you _need_ them, you either dont get to run linux, or you luck out and they work in cx/wine
[15:56] <ksbalaji> jasmuz, did you try alsa force-reload?
[15:56] <Rubin> also, openoffice present is unacceptably crap. so powerpoint is needed IMO
[15:56] <maco> ksbalaji: thats the same as rebooting, as far as alsa is concerned
[15:57] <big_danmahony> jasmus, I fixed a sound issue on a friends latop  using this: dont try it but search for something similar for your soundcard (ubuntu forums)
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Updated 6/6/08 for ALSA 1.0.17rc1
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Here are the scripts to build ALSA 1.0.17rc1 from source.
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Make sure you go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources and have the first 4 repositories enabled (also make sure the CD is disabled unless you have a slow internet and would prefer to use the older versions of the packages on the CD). When you close that dialog, Ubuntu will ask you to update your software sources. Make sure you don't have Update Manager or Synaptic Package Manager open and click yes/ok to update the pa
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Now save these files to your desktop, and:
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Code:
[15:57] <big_danmahony> cd ~/Desktop
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo chmod 777 alsa_1.sh
[15:57] <maco> Rubin: Impress does have an awful UI.  But hey!  LaTeX
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo chmod 777 alsa_2.sh
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo sh ./alsa_1.sh
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Then reboot, and when the system comes back, run:
[15:57] <maco> big_danmahony: SHUT IT
[15:57] <Rubin> maco, heh
[15:57] <Pici> !paste | big_danmahony
[15:57] <jasmuz> Solved itThanks!
[15:57] <maco> jasmuz: what solved what?
[15:57] <Pici> big_danmahony: Are you done?
[15:58] <jasmuz> My sound issue
[15:58] <Rubin> maco, we run a lot of linux boxes that are used by normal people. cx allows us to keep doing that, where otherwise they'd demand windows
[15:58] <big_danmahony> accident i swear,havent used IRC for years
[15:58] <maco> er, i want to know what fixed what
[15:58] <ksbalaji> maco, rebooting alsa may solve jasmuz 's problem if pa and alsa are not co-operating?!
[15:58] <DanaG> What's different between Crossover and Wine?
[15:58] <maco> ksbalaji: force reload is the same as rebooting the computer. it just unloads and reloads
[15:59] <maco> im wondering if he meant that or if he meant the aplay thing....because the aplay thing was to test if it was a PA or ALSA issue
[15:59] <wolfie2x> DanaG: crossover is commercial n wine is free
[15:59] <Rubin> DanaG, crossover is based on wine, but with closed-source updates/and stuff to work better. I think thye trickle their changes into wine over time. Also cx has 'bottles' which are like little independant windows instances, so you can seperate and deploy aps
[15:59] <wolfie2x> DanaG: same code base though
[15:59] <maco> how does corssover abbreviate to cx?
[15:59] <Rubin> no idea. but cxoffice is the package name
[16:00] <maco> interesting
[16:00] <wolfie2x> I'm currently running MS office in VitrualBox
[16:00] <Rubin> if wine works for you, dont need crossover. but it tries to make some advanced uses of wine 'just work' so its nice for some apps
[16:00]  * Rubin <3 virtualbox seamless mode
[16:00] <wolfie2x> since I'm not sure if office 2003 will work on wine
[16:01] <Rubin> also love that you can do USB passthru on it, but not with the GPL one :/
[16:01] <wolfie2x> anybody using it?
[16:01] <DanaG> grr... no easy way to browse bug by number in firefox.
[16:01] <Rubin> wolfie2x, it works in crossover
[16:01] <DanaG> ubuntu bug 289466
[16:01] <ksbalaji> maco, now since jasmuz has left we would not know :(
[16:01] <wolfie2x> Rubin: yeah but it's not free?
[16:01] <DanaG> thanks for the link.  Couldn't find it myself with google.
[16:01] <Rubin> wolfie2x, it was free yesterday
[16:01] <wolfie2x> Rubin: what do u mean??
[16:02] <Rubin> wolfie2x, some kind of promotion. they released it free with 12 months support for anyone who signed up yesterday
[16:02] <frybye> Dana - I am using xsane - and it works super - thanks a lot though... (one really must use google a bit more first... heheh)
[16:02] <maco> ksbalaji: well, for future reference, i think aplay bypasses PA and lets you test just ALSA
[16:02] <maco> Rubin: they had a list of things that if Bush managed to do, theyd give away free software
[16:02] <wolfie2x> Rubin: r u serious? is it still open?
[16:02] <maco> it was the Lame Ducks President Challenge or something
[16:03] <Rubin> maco: yeah. no wolfie2x, you missed it.
[16:03] <wolfie2x> Rubin: :(
[16:03] <maco> gas dropped below $2.79 in Chicago, so they gave away free software
[16:03] <Rubin> was it chicago or twin cities?
[16:03] <maco> er...i thought he said windy city
[16:03] <maco> hmm off to /.!
[16:04] <Rubin> wolfie2x, read slashdot/digg more
[16:04] <maco> oh, it was Twin Cities, you're right
[16:05] <maco> wolfie2x: maybe you still can http://news.softpedia.com/news/Crossover-Giveaway-Complete-Serial-Codes-Still-Good-to-Go-96705.shtml
[16:05] <wolfie2x> Rubin: I have quite a lot of tech feeds on my iGoogle page 'n nothing told me of a free giveaway :(
[16:05] <maco> oh wait nevermind
[16:05] <maco> its just that itll take a few days for them to mail out the serial numbers
[16:05] <maco> wolfie2x: apparently you're missing Planet Ubuntu because like 5 people blogged it
[16:05] <amikrop> Are there any problems with the nVidia cards/drivers? Is it safe to upgrade now?
[16:06] <big_danmahony> has anyone got their hands on the final version of 8.10??
[16:06] <Pici> No, because its not out yet.
[16:06] <bazhang> big_danmahony, no
[16:06] <maco> amikrop: no suspend
[16:06] <big_danmahony> its out tommorow right?
[16:06] <maco> big_danmahony: release day's not til tomorrow
[16:06] <amikrop> maco: Well, will it be fixed until tommorow?
[16:06] <big_danmahony> yeah confusin with the time zones and all that
[16:06] <wolfie2x> big_danmahony: I dont think u'll get anything different than todays updates..
[16:06] <maco> yeah, but it's officially "while its 30 Oct in at least 1 timezone"
[16:07] <big_danmahony> ta wolfie
[16:07]  * Pici thwaps maco 
[16:07] <big_danmahony> has anyone had luck with using a plasma as the main monitor?
[16:08] <wolfie2x> i just updated and there's a new readahead/boot! hope it's faster
[16:08] <wolfie2x> does it really scan our local disk and arrange the file order to match our disk
[16:09] <wolfie2x> or is it just a list?
[16:10] <chadeldridge> Is anyone else having this bug: 286435
[16:11] <amikrop> They said the Human theme was modified for Intrepid? Can I have some screenshots?
[16:11] <chadeldridge> sorry : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/286435/
[16:12] <wolfie2x> going to reboot.. just to make sure..
[16:12] <Rubin> amikrop, google it. theres billions
[16:13] <csheach> i lost my touchpad today and can't figure it out - anyone got ideas?
[16:13] <amikrop> Rubin: OK. But was the Human theme really modified?
[16:13] <Rubin> amikrop, i didn't notice any significant changes besides the background. but i tend to be oblivius to such things
[16:13] <chadeldridge> amikrop: i dont see any difference other than desktop wallpaper .. not to mention its still buggy with compiz turned on
[16:14] <Rubin> chadeldridge, wait for next version of xorg. that stuff is going to be vastly improved
[16:14] <amikrop> Rubin, chadeldridge: I see :S
[16:14] <FFForever> hi ppl :)
[16:14] <amikrop> :(
[16:14] <chadeldridge> Rubin: yeah i think the next xorg will also fix my display rotation issue
[16:14] <FFForever> anyone know how i can edit m4a's id3 tags/info?
[16:14] <chadeldridge> at least that is the hope
[16:15] <Rubin> FFForever, arent there a ton of tag editors/managers in the repositories?
[16:15] <amikrop> FFForever: EasyTAG
[16:15] <FFForever> Rubin, dunno, what do i search for?
[16:15] <FFForever> kk
[16:16] <Rubin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102066
[16:17] <csheach> so, no ideas on touchpad isssues with intrepid?
[16:17] <kimf> Anyone got creative x-fi working in intrepid?
[16:19] <tc111> amikrop: how about wma tags?
[16:23] <frybye> Hi - just connected an Elsa Microlink 56K USB Modem... how do I access it/config etc??
[16:23] <jameswf> modem? wow
[16:25] <redvamp128> I know this room is for Intrepid-- but I just got notification of Flash player10 was released and is it stable-- have asked in ubuntu room but no reply? and is it stable under Interepid?
[16:25] <Rods_Tiger> Elsa Microlink? That's a mostly software modem
[16:26] <redvamp128> And when 8.10 is finally released will 8.04 update to it?
[16:26] <frybye> jameswf: so what do you use to send faxes from the pc??
[16:27] <Pici> redvamp128: It will be presented as an option, yes.
[16:27] <frybye> Rods_Tiger: it seems to be a normal external usb modem ...???
[16:27] <Rods_Tiger> oh
[16:27] <aoupi> something is wrong with my computer in someway... when I plug in a phone it shows up and mounts like it should and I can acsess all files when I transfer it seems ok at first, good speed and all, then it crawls to a halt and is insanely slow and when it finaly gets to the end it does nothing, the transfer bar is till up
[16:27] <frybye> so anybody know where the thing can be found in ibex...??
[16:28] <aoupi> (transfering files to the phone that is)
[16:28] <jameswf> faxes?
[16:28] <frybye> aoupi - no sending a fax!!
[16:28] <jameswf> i use this beta technology called email
[16:28] <aoupi> frybye: why would I fax?
[16:29] <frybye> james - there are 100.000 reasons for occasionally using a fax.. ie the person has no email or legal reasons where the other end only accepts faxes as binding etc etc..
[16:29] <redvamp128> thanks for the quick reply-- but also anyone else running the new Flash player 10 and is it stable?
[16:29] <jameswf> frybye: then you use t.38 faxing
[16:29] <frybye> but to be honest this is not getting me very far with setting up the fax send facility... <grinn..>
[16:30] <frybye> jameswf: no idea what that is pal...
[16:30] <jameswf> fax over  ip
[16:30] <chadeldridge> Rubin: is this enough description for a bug report:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[16:30] <frybye> whever for - my only thing is that i dont wanna bother starting up a win-pc to send faxes..
[16:31] <jameswf> i dunno i send an email to a fax server (running asterisk) and poof it goes....
[16:31] <frybye> i had better google on this I guess..
[16:32] <frybye> My emails dont generally consist of a scanned form with manual entries and a hand signature which at least here in Germany is the only thing that officialdom will accept for instance...
[16:32] <wolfie2x> need help on private directory thingy
[16:33] <wolfie2x> created the private directory via "ecryptfs-setup-private"
[16:33] <Lamo> I upgraded to Ibex last night and now I can't get my nvidia drivers(177) to work. According to Hardware Drivers its loaded and activated. However when I restartx it doesn't work. When using envyng -t I get a kernel headers error. Also when I boot the kernel option is still 2.6.24-19??? I'm completely lost here any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
[16:33] <Rubin> chadeldridge, i'd mention that you CAN get the mouse down there, and attach a screenshot if you can get one? or a picture maybe. so its clear what you mean
[16:34] <chadeldridge> ohh i can do that thanks
[16:35] <Trewas> chadeldridge: are you using compiz?
[16:35] <GibbaTheHutt> lamo what does uname -a show
[16:36] <chadeldridge> Trewas: yes i am
[16:37] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: one sec just rebooted
[16:38] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: shows ur kernel version
[16:38] <GibbaTheHutt> wolfie2x, yep ta hehe, I was asking lamo what his showed ;), wonders of the language
[16:38] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP
[16:39] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: oops my bad
[16:39] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP
[16:39] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: why didn't my kernel update?
[16:39] <GibbaTheHutt> latest for me is 2.6.27-7-generic
[16:39] <GibbaTheHutt> have you done your latest updates ?
[16:39] <Lamo> I see that installed in synapitc
[16:40] <Lamo> but it doesn't show up in my boot menu
[16:40] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: wht does "ta" mean?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> is it in /grub ?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> ta = thanks :)
[16:40] <wolfie2x> i c
[16:40] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: where's that?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> erm ls /grub
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> in console
[16:41] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  meh what is that
[16:41] <Lamo> ok
[16:41] <Lamo> I have no /grub
[16:41] <GibbaTheHutt> hmm what drive layout do you have ?
[16:41] <GibbaTheHutt> and what do you boot from
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  grub it's a normal ubuntu install with a vista dual boot
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: compaq laptop
[16:42] <GibbaTheHutt> erm ignore me I'm being an idiot, I mean ls /boot
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: right I found that
[16:42] <ircbin> Hello! At with time will the new Ubuntu 8.10 be available to download from Internet?
[16:42] <ircbin> 0:00?
[16:42] <Pici> ircbin: when its done.
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  so I have 2.6.27-1 in there
[16:42] <Pici> !party
[16:43] <GibbaTheHutt> ok, if you go into the grub folder there
[16:43] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: oops 2.6.27-7 I mena
[16:43] <GibbaTheHutt> you will likely have a file menu.lst
[16:43] <ircbin> Pici, ok
[16:44] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: ok looking at it there's no new kernel
[16:44] <GibbaTheHutt> ok, first thing I would do is take a copy of the file and save a backup with a different name
[16:44] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: can I just change the numbers from 2.6.24-19 to 2.6.27-7
[16:44] <GibbaTheHutt> as you know at least this file works (sort of) before editing it
[16:45] <GibbaTheHutt> you could, better is to copy the old relevant parts and amend ... so you get the other kernel as an option in case there is a problem
[16:45] <GibbaTheHutt> so there are about 5 lines to each section, copy/paste one of those and amend the copy
[16:46] <GibbaTheHutt> you want to leave the original option in case you get an error you can boot with old kernel still
[16:46] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: good deal brb
[16:49] <ircbin> I tried to install Zattoo on Ubuntu 8.10RC and I could not listen its sounds... Is this a common problem previously reported?
[16:49] <ircbin> I used the 8.04 version of the program...
[16:52] <chadeldridge> Rubin: i just figured something out on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774  the issue is compiz, with it turned off i dont have the issue.  but unfortunately i need it on for my dock to work
[16:53] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: haha excellent! all is working now. thanks.
[16:58] <GibbaTheHutt> yw :)
[16:59] <chadeldridge> .
[17:01] <kimf> Anyone got creative x-fi working in intrepid?
[17:01] <frybye> trying again - how to install a faxmodem in intrepid???
[17:03] <BluesKaj> what happened to the create text /folder/file options in kde4 ?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> this is nuts
[17:11] <Assid> heya
[17:16] <amikrop> In how many hours will 8.10 be officially released?
[17:16] <Assid> tomorrow
[17:16] <Assid> 30th
[17:16] <Assid> dunno what time tho..
[17:17] <Pici> amikrop: When its done.  #ubuntu-release-party await the announcement
[17:17]  * Assid gets some servers ready
[17:20] <vox> i get this error when i try to use my webcam, it uses the OV511 chipset: can not open /dev/video0 (No space left on device)  any ideas?
[17:20] <nergar> hello
[17:20] <amikrop> Assid: 30th is in 4:30 hours, here
[17:20] <Assid> as i said. dont know what time during the 30th
[17:21] <amikrop> Pici: ok
[17:21] <nergar> were can I get intrepid before all servers are flooded tomorrow? maybe I can mirror it.
[17:23] <joshuajtl> hey folks is there any app for ubuntu that syncs user settings (and files perhaps) online somehow?
[17:24] <VSpike> joshuajtl: to some extent, conduit
[17:24] <gregd> hi there, when exactly (in how many hours) 8.10 will be released?
[17:24] <Pici> gregd: When its done.
[17:25] <vox> gregd: in eleventy twelveteen  minutes
[17:25] <gregd> :)
[17:25] <Assid> err. let me knwo if you guys need servers during the release parties
[17:25] <VSpike> apport doesn't seem to be working for me - how can i test if it's enabled and properly configured?
[17:26] <Assid> i can give probably around 200-300GB transfer
[17:26] <gregd> so does it mean that it can be released tonight at midnight GMT and equally can be realised in a few days time?
[17:26] <Assid> safely.. day after :P
[17:26] <Pici> gregd: It should be released sometime during the 30th.
[17:27] <Assid> Pici: !! ltns ! 6 months to be precise
[17:27] <Pici> Assid: Howdy :)
[17:28] <Assid> apparently i use less of ubuntu than i do supporting it
[17:28] <Assid> hrmm i shoudnt have said that outloud
[17:29] <chadeldridge> is there a support channel for compiz ?
[17:29] <Pici> chadeldridge: #compiz-fusion
[17:29] <VSpike> anyone know where I can get debug symbols for xvidcap
[17:29] <chadeldridge> pici: thanks
[17:30] <gregor> Assid, connect to the torrents, when they are appearing. ;)
[17:30] <Assid> gregor: err.. i push in http and torrents simultanously
[17:30] <Assid> i got tons of extra bandwith
[17:32] <VSpike> This channel is amazingly quiet so close to a release.
[17:32] <VSpike> Does it ever get busy?
[17:32] <Assid> sure
[17:32] <VSpike> when?
[17:32] <Assid> when a new release is about to begin
[17:33] <Assid> its almost the end of this cycle.. so no real chatter.. it will mobe to the #ubuntu-release-party
[17:33] <Assid> move even
[17:33] <VSpike> Ah
[17:33] <VSpike> I'm still trying to report bugs :)
[17:33] <Assid> well do it soon
[17:34] <Roberth> hello ive installed ubuntu 8.10 on my acer aspire one, to get wireless, ive installed linux-backports-modules-intrepid as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne, but when i restart, still no wireless, what is wrong?
[17:35] <zajca> hi, is there somebody who know command to hibernate which using gnome-panel in intrepid. woks perfect and i need it for openbox
[17:40] <VSpike> Assid: the problem is, there's no-one here to answer the questions I have about the bugs :)
[17:40] <Assid> oh hrmm
[17:40] <Assid> have you posted in launchpad?
[17:40] <VSpike> but I'm doing my best
[17:40] <VSpike> Assid: yeah - I'm trying to get as complete a work-up as I can before I do, and that's where the questions come from
[17:41] <VSpike> But in the end, I just post what I can
[17:41] <Assid> i used to take screenshots and sometimes video captures of my bugs in action
[17:41] <VSpike> Assid: yes, and consquently many of the bugs i've reported today are in xvidcap :D
[17:41] <Assid> i do hope ibex is quicker than hardy.. everyone i knowe complains hardy is just slower and less stabler than the previous one
[17:42] <Assid> VSpike: then you my friend and SOL
[17:42] <VSpike> hehe
[17:43] <GibbaTheHutt> don't think you will find ibex faster tbh, probably will find it similar for most things
[17:44] <TuxSympathiser> is it worth waiting a few hours until it is officially released to upgrade (as in fresh install)
[17:44] <linuxkrn> hey guys, question about 8.10 release, I read that the beta had problems with nvidia binary not being support on xorg 7.4, will this sill be an issue with the release tomorrow?
[17:45] <GibbaTheHutt> possibly :)
[17:45] <GibbaTheHutt> linuxkrn, give the livecd a shot and see if you run into any problems
[17:45] <linuxkrn> LiveCD doesn't work with binary graphics drivers does it?
[17:46] <GibbaTheHutt> not as default, can't you add them though ? Was sure I had, but may be mistaken
[17:46] <GibbaTheHutt> running nvidia atm on ibex, but naturally you may have different problems
[17:47] <linuxkrn> didn't think you could, I tried it on 8.04 once, I think anyway. :)
[17:47] <linuxkrn> ah, so then they do work with xorg 7.4 now?
[17:47] <linuxkrn> I read the beta release notes and it said the drivers were broken, but who knows how old that message was
[17:48] <linuxkrn> ah, someone changed it, just checked it again today. :p
[17:49] <Miesco> When is it released?
[17:49] <linuxkrn> tomorrow
[17:49] <Miesco> 12am?
[17:49] <linuxkrn> no idea
[17:50] <Miesco> I upgraded early and my computer freezes arbitrarly
[17:50] <Miesco> Never know when its going to happen have to cold boot
[17:52] <tvakah> console-kit-daemon[17521]: CRITICAL: cannot initialize libpolkit keeps hitting my syslog, this is ubuntu server
[17:53] <tvakah> I'm not sure what libpolkit is exactly, but I'm not sure as I care about it on a non desktop?
[17:53] <vita_> hi all
[17:55] <vita_> If I want to switch in Krusader to Media through favourites, it says "Protocol unsupported by Krusader media:/"
[17:55] <vita_> Where is the problem?
[17:57] <vita_> I have installed everything suggested by Krusader, but to no avail. Is it bug or I do something wrong?
[17:58] <tvakah> vita_, not exactly sure since I've never used krusader myself, but isn't it an old kde3 app not ported to kde4? I could be wrong here...
[17:59] <vita_> No. Krusader2 is ported to KDE4. But perhaps they forgot to port tis part
[17:59] <vita_> this
[18:00] <vita_> But thanks for idea. Perhaps this will be really reason.
[18:00] <jtechidna> It's an svn snapshot of the KDE4 port
[18:01] <jtechidna> the media:/ kio slave hasn't been ported yet
[18:06] <alteregoa> does vino-server writes directly into the framebuffer'
[18:06] <alteregoa> or read vice versa
[18:10] <AlabamaHit> One more day :)
[18:10] <AlabamaHit> what time zone is it based on?
[18:11] <jtechidna> AlabamaHit: doesn't really matter, generally it's quite random what time in the day it actually is released
[18:13] <AlabamaHit> oh, just wonderin cause in a few hours tis going to be the 30th in some places, lol and tis only 1PM here lol
[18:14] <AlabamaHit> or say china its already the 30 lol
[18:16] <alteregoa> yeah
[18:16] <alteregoa> the chinese are ahead of us
[18:16] <hcooh> Hi there, I couln't start intrepid in live CD
[18:17] <hcooh> I had a black screen, just for the start of the session
[18:17] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: you might have to try in Safe mode.
[18:18] <hcooh> I have an ati and I think it is because of the radeon driver
[18:19] <AlabamaHit> i have same and dont have trouble....i have radeo xress 200
[18:19] <hcooh> Beacause after installing the *deb for radeonhd driver and configure in xorg.conf
[18:19] <hcooh> the session started
[18:19] <linkinxp> Hello.... I have a friend with an atheros wireless card....in the restricted drivers it says that is it in USE but is not available  in iwconfig! what can i do?
[18:19] <fdm> hello, how can i configure the size of the miniprog digitalclock in the taskrow ... and the size of some symbols in the taskrow,  i have resized the row to double-size, so everything inthere has also double size, this is not what i wanted ...
[18:20] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: tahts what it is Just Boot it in Safe Graphic mode..
[18:20] <AlabamaHit> or compatible mode forget whats it called
[18:21] <AlabamaHit> linkinxp: is the box Checked?
[18:21] <frybye> re: Pse respond if you can help with installing-config-use of a usb-fax modem???
[18:22] <hcooh> AlabamaHit: I tried in safe graphic mode but didnt work before I installed the radeonhd driver..
[18:23] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: thats odd...All versions before 8.10 i had to do that, but with 8.10 I don' t have to do that. I can boot right into it.
[18:23] <linkinxp> AlabamaHit, it says its Enabled, and working
[18:23] <linkinxp> :(
[18:23] <linkinxp> but in iwconfig i got no wireless extensions
[18:23] <AlabamaHit> but is the box checked
[18:23] <linkinxp> yes
[18:24] <AlabamaHit> rebooted?
[18:24] <hcooh> AlabamaHit: lol, for me it is the contrary, with Gutsy and Hardy, that was ok, but now for intrepid...black screen
[18:24] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: lol, thatss odd..
[18:24] <linkinxp> AlabamaHit, he just powered on
[18:24] <linkinxp> :-s
[18:25] <AlabamaHit> rebooted afer enabling the driver?
[18:25] <linkinxp> any other hints?
[18:25] <linkinxp> it was enabled before
[18:25] <linkinxp> it has been
[18:25] <AlabamaHit> Oh, it was working just stoped workin?
[18:26] <linkinxp> no he installed Ubuntu Intrepid.... and no wireless ever
[18:26] <linkinxp> it wasnt working
[18:27] <AlabamaHit> I know you usally have to "Enable" then "reboot" i hjave never personally had wireless just work.
[18:27] <linkinxp> let me see
[18:31] <NET||abuse> so annoyed at the moment, can't sync my iphone for music or podcasts without itunes :( blows.. gpodder support pelase?
[18:32] <NET||abuse> dug up my old 30GB beast of an ipod with the broken screen where i can barely read anything so i can keep up with my podcasts.. sucks.. half the time i have to guess which podcast episode i'm playing..
[18:33] <linkinxp> whats another network manager?
[18:33] <linkinxp> well but if is not in iwconfig its something else right?
[18:33] <Pici> NET||abuse: Log a bug
[18:33] <TuxSympathiser> I'm considering moving to the latest version of ubuntu (8.10) should I wait a day for the final release or should I just go with the Daily Build RC?
[18:33] <copperkid> does the wireless show up in ifconfig?
[18:34] <NET||abuse> linkinxp: you've got network-manager or wicd
[18:34] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: there are still a few issues, but nothing ground breaking that i know of
[18:34] <frybye> looking for help installing a usb-fax-modem? Any offers...?
[18:35] <mnemoc> ifconfig got deprecated with linux 2.2, why the heck people still use it instead pf iproute2???!
[18:35] <mnemoc> narf :\
[18:35]  * NET||abuse @Pici  logs bug on launchpad: "My Ipod screen is broken!"
[18:35] <frybye> ehehe
[18:35] <frybye> try - my Ipodscreen is broken and there is a credit-crunch in 8.10
[18:36] <NET||abuse> a credit crunch IN 8.10?
[18:36] <joaopinto> mnemoc, ifconfig is deprecated ?
[18:36] <frybye> well you cant post OT stuff there can you... heheh?
[18:37] <NET||abuse> guess not :)
[18:37] <TuxSympathiser> chadeldridge, so it is highly unlikely there will be any major changes in the next 24 hours
[18:37] <NET||abuse> ok,, eee package headaches :(
[18:37] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: i never assume that with linux ..
[18:37] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: i can say its been working for me for a long time now with only minor annoyance
[18:38] <mnemoc> joaopinto: yes, since linux uses netlink `ip` shall be used... even if mainstream distros insist in providing it to stay "compatible" with ancient tutorials
[18:38] <TuxSympathiser> chadeldrige1, same for any OS, I might diwnload it and get it all configured now, thanks for the help
[18:38] <Miesco> I upgraded to 8.10 and my computer freezes arbitrarly and I have to cold boot,  so is it going to be released at 12am?
[18:38] <frybye> so folks - i know you are only teasing me - time to actually respond now to my req. for help with a usb-fax-modem install?? ;=)
[18:38] <NET||abuse> hmm, if you have a netowrk of ubuntu machines, and you run apt-cache on a server, making everyone use that instead, can you use any management tools for apt-cache? so as to roll out weekly agregated updates rather than daily?
[18:38] <LARefugee> hello. Anyone got a bluetooth headset to work?
[18:38] <Miesco> Is there a common reason for ibex to break your system?
[18:39] <joaopinto> mnemoc, there is no iproute2 on my system
[18:39] <NET||abuse> Miesco: common reason is it's beta, not fully released yet
[18:39] <mnemoc> joaopinto: type `ip`
[18:39] <joaopinto> Miesco, no there isn't
[18:39] <frybye> Miesco - something about an Intel chip set or...???
[18:39] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: yeh, it's just the ip command
[18:39] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, it's not beta, it's RC, and it is not expected to break the system at this point :)
[18:39] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Okay cause my computer freezes about 10 minutes in everytime I boot
[18:40] <Miesco> It even freezes if I leave it at the gdm screen
[18:40] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: ah, ok, RC supposes
[18:40] <NET||abuse> Miesco: hmm, that could be alot of things..
[18:40] <NET||abuse> Miesco: what garphics driver you using?
[18:40] <Miesco> NET||abuse: nvidia 177
[18:40] <NET||abuse> known bugs in intrepid with 177
[18:40] <joaopinto> mnemoc, there is no mention on ipconfig's manpage that it is deprecated
[18:41] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Can you use 169 in intepid?
[18:41] <NET||abuse> roll back to 173 if you like.
[18:41] <mnemoc> joaopinto: have you seen when net-tools was touched upstream last time?
[18:41] <NET||abuse> though i'm not sure if that would improve the situation.
[18:41] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Okay
[18:42] <mnemoc> joaopinto: linux's networking is completely different now, so ifconfig and route misses most of the info
[18:42] <Miesco> Okay going to 173 see if that works
[18:42] <Miesco> thanks
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> does anyone know where i can read about how the guest system is implemented? Is it simply a `cp -r /home/.guest /home/guest` or something? Thanks!
[18:42] <Miesco> Im going to format and install intrepid when its released
[18:42] <frybye> another try: is there a usb-fax-modem- guru in the house?
[18:43] <chadeldridge> ..
[18:43] <frybye> chad.. you know how to install an elsa microlink 56k usb modem??
[18:44] <mnemoc> joaopinto: it's deprecation is stated on the bible, wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ffconfig
[18:44] <mnemoc> ifconfig*
[18:46] <frybye> <--  gives up for now - bye folks...
[18:46] <mnemoc> joaopinto: but I was wrong, ifconfig was the right way until linux 2.2 (inclusive)
[18:48] <joaopinto> mnemoc, ok, I am convinced you can quit :P
[18:48] <nastas> i can't connect Nokia phone not even for simple file transfer. any idea?
[18:48] <mnemoc> joaopinto =)
[18:49] <Zapt> hi
[18:52] <chadeldridge>  anyone else possibly able to help with this issue:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[19:00] <mohbana> hi, is the release tonight?
[19:01] <louise> hello mates
[19:02] <louise> my touchpad is going insane
[19:02] <louise> I remember I could fix this altering a few lines in xorg.conf
[19:03] <Alex_Gaynor> For some reason flash stopped working for me at some point between last night, and today, when I try to go to a youtube video for example, the first 3 seconds plays, and than it freezes, I haven't changed any settings that i'm aware of
[19:03] <Alex_Gaynor> does anyone know what could cause this/the fix
[19:03] <chadeldridge> Alex_Gaynor: which flash do you have install the nonfree?
[19:04] <Alex_Gaynor> yeah
[19:04] <louise> now that tweaking it is not recommended no more, what shall I do?
[19:06] <louise> the deafening sound of silence
[19:07] <louise> !seen bsnider
[19:07] <louise> how come?
[19:10] <zajca> hi, is there somebody who know command to hibernate which using gnome-panel in intrepid. woks perfect and i need it for openbox
[19:10] <zajca> *works
[19:14] <jonah> hey where is nvidia-glx-new these days?
[19:14] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on the flash issue?
[19:15] <louise> jonah, its okay
[19:17] <joaopinto> !upgrading
[19:18] <sahak> hello
[19:18] <sahak> Is anybody able to listen to any of the HBR1 preset radio stations in Rhythmbox in Ubuntu 8.10?
[19:19] <jonah> louise, sorry i'm not with you? i cant find it??
[19:22] <mimi> hi i have a question, if there are still issues with 8.10 that are unresolved by tomorrow, what happens to them ? do we have to wait 6 months for a fix?
[19:22] <crimsun> no, we are actively tracking a subset of known issues.  Those will be addressed in intrepid-updates ASAP.
[19:23] <rgreening> mimi: updates come out regularly
[19:23] <rgreening> mimi: bug fixes, security updates, etc....
[19:23] <mimi> so what is the difference between what comes out tomorrow and what is out today and what is out later than that to fix bugs ?
[19:24] <crimsun> 1028.2 is very probably the desktop image for both i386 and amd64
[19:24] <sahak> crimsun: there is a 10.29 already
[19:25] <Alex_Gaynor> Hrm, in addition to my flash bugs(actually probably the same bug), Totem has no sound, and the volume control is grayed out, but VLC works fine
[19:25] <Alex_Gaynor> I would guess this is a Pulse Audio issue, dose that seem right?
[19:25] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: please summarise; I don't have scrollback.
[19:26] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: When I try to play something in youtube, it plays for 3 seconds, then freezes, and if I close that tab, my browser crashes, plus those totem issues
[19:26] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: which arch?  have did you install Flash?  fresh install or distribution upgrade?
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> I've been running 8.10 since Alpha 4
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> and it's been fine for weeks
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> i386
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> and flash is flashplugin-nonfree straight from the repos
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> it was a fresh install at the time of a4
[19:27] <crimsun> sahak: 1029 is very improbable; see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:28] <louise> jonah, you can install the nvidia drivers using envy-ng
[19:29] <sahak> Is anybody able to watch BBC from totem? When I try it, totem says "Could not connect to server".
[19:29] <ilembitov> Hi, all. I have Dell Inspiron 1525 running Kubuntu 8.10 RC. Just installed and I can't make my wi-fi work. It's Broadcom 4312-based, so it should be handled through wl driver, but the Jockey doesn't allow me to turn the driver on, although it displays that the driver is available
[19:35] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: sorry, triaging in another channel & got waylaid
[19:35] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: No problem
[19:36] <Alex_Gaynor> I haven't changed any settings nor have I gotten any updates since last night, which is why I'm so confused
[19:36] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, so let's eliminate the most obvious culprits.  Please log out of GNOME and back in, then open a Terminal and execute `pgrep -c -x pulseaudio ; paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'
[19:36] <wyatt> I updated to 8.10, everything worked fine, but then my update manager told me to update my kernel to .27 something, and now my wireless dont work, what should I do?
[19:37] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok, I'm using chatzilla so I will brb
[19:37] <Rubin> wyatt, debug it
[19:37] <wyatt> I have an Atheros 5007eg card
[19:37] <dedalu> Hello! I have a problem since last night updates on intrepid, but I don't have a clue on how report it. I have the problematic rtl8187 wireless card on my laptop. It is working, but -- today -- if I connect from my desktop to sync with unison, for example, all stops, including ping. The odd side is: if I keep pinging my router, everything works...
[19:40] <dedalu> If I start ping 192.168.0.1 from laptop before connecting from desktop, all work. If I connect form desktop first, and then ping 192.168.0.1: Destination Host Unreachable ...
[19:40] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok it printed 1, and than played the sound through my USB headset, when I logged in it played the login sound through my speakers though, FWIW
[19:41] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, good.  And now, please attempt to reproduce the symptom.
[19:41] <VSpike> How can I find out which driver is being used by xorg for my graphics hardware?
[19:42] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok stuff is playing through totem now
[19:42] <dedalu> VSpike: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:42] <MadsRH> If i want to report a bug for the shutdown window, witch package is that?
[19:43] <crimsun> VSpike: e.g., grep -B3 -E 'class(.)*X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:43] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Youtube vids are still freezing 3 seconds in though
[19:43] <Alex_Gaynor> and they don't play any audio
[19:43] <VSpike> thanks
[19:44] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, let's check the software.  what's the output from `dpkg -l libasound2-plugins'?
[19:44] <Helol> Alex_Gaynor: I used to have that in firefox on windows. I just removed all firefox settings from my profile and things worked again
[19:44] <Helol> no flash video played
[19:45] <Helol> just 3-4 secs and apparent freeze
[19:45] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: http://dpaste.com/87621/
[19:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Helol: the video plays for me, just no audio, and then the freeze
[19:46] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, good.  Can you reproduce the symptom with a brand new test user account?
[19:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Let me create a new account and check
[19:47] <Helol> Alex_Gaynor: it played for 3-4 secs and froze in win. I think I had audio though
[19:47] <Alex_Gaynor> Ok logging out to go check the test user
[19:50] <Alex_Gaynor> Umm, WTF, I used the user switcher thing to log into the test user, tried playing something on youtube, it played through the headset, then I switched back to my account, and it just started playing through my speakers(I hadn't closed the youtube tab) :/
[19:51] <Helol> heh
[19:52] <Helol> it didn't freeze?
[19:52] <Alex_Gaynor> nope
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> let me try reloading the page, see if it goes back
[19:53] <Helol> so something in your firefox config has gone fubar
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> and it appears fine
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> well no, I'm back on my account
[19:54] <Alex_Gaynor> which should mean by firefox profile right?
[19:54] <Helol> probably
[19:54] <Helol> I recognized part of your problem from my own firefox problems on windows so I thought it might be the same
[19:55] <Helol> there probably is some very simple fix to the problem
[19:55] <Helol> let me know if you find it heh
[19:55] <Alex_Gaynor> hehe, let me restart firefox, and see if it's still fine
[19:55] <keithclark> I just installed 8.10 64 bit on my laptop but I cannot get my broadcom wireless adapter to work....any suggestions?
[19:56] <Alex_Gaynor> I do belive we've found a flaw in the scientific method, we had a problem, we did nothing, and it's fine :/
[19:58] <Helol> heh
[19:58] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: nah, that just means the problem space is slightly larger than what I thought
[19:58] <crimsun> so we need to consider console-kit in addition to pulseaudio and nspluginwrapper
[19:59] <crimsun> anyhow, nothing that I'm going to pursue in the next day over 8.10's release :-)
[19:59] <crimsun> if it occurs again, however, please do file a bug using Launchpad
[19:59] <Alex_Gaynor> Sure
[19:59] <Alex_Gaynor> I'm just glad to have my precious rick roll back :P
[20:00] <crimsun> BTW, if you intend to record anything, you probably want to use the fixed libasound2-plugins deb in my PPA.
[20:00] <crimsun> we're targeting that fix for -updates post-release.
[20:00] <Alex_Gaynor> Skype has always been fine with my mic
[20:01] <Alex_Gaynor> what does yours fix?
[20:01] <chadeldridge> what version of compiz was 8.04 using ?
[20:01] <keithclark> Ok, I take it that a broadcom wireless card is just one of those things that will not work with Ubuntu?
[20:02] <chadeldridge> keithclark: wireless ?  use the ndiswrapper is about your best bet, works with mine
[20:03] <chadeldridge> keithclark: i am not sure if the fwcutter drivers still exist in the repo or not, there are tons of walkthroughs on ubuntuforums.org though about how to do it
[20:03] <keithclark> chadeldridge, no, fwcutter does not seem to exist anymore
[20:04] <dedalu> some clue on my problem? If I connect from my desktop to my laptop (wireless), after some activity, the laptop looses the gateway (ping 192.168.0.1: Destination host unreachable). But if I start ping from laptop before the desktop connection, all works. The problem started today, after some updates...
[20:05] <CarlFK> does  /var/run/motd get replaced on each boot?
[20:05] <CarlFK> and if so, what generates it.  I want to add some lines
[20:06] <keithclark> chadeldridge, no problems....I'll keep XP on my machines with Broadcom cards
[20:06] <wamcvey>  Greetings all... anyone know if the standard (or server) kernel on Intrepid can be used as dom0 under Xen?
[20:07] <wamcvey> The folks on #ubuntu-virt were unresponsive, so I figured I'd check with you guys.
[20:08] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: alsa routed through pulse ioplug
[20:08] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: the straightforward test case is using gnome-sound-recorder
[20:08] <crimsun> (Applications> Sound & Video> Sound Recorder)
[20:08] <Alex_Gaynor> Hehe, skype works for me, so I don't think I'm going to mess this it :)
[20:09] <ripps> Yo, what's up y'all
[20:09] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: well, it does affect other applications like Audacity
[20:09] <Alex_Gaynor> skype is the only thing I record with
[20:10] <askand> What is the name of the community theme package?
[20:11] <Gin> where to go to get ubuntu intrepid right after release? any torrent url?
[20:12] <jameswf> would be cool if people could crash the ubuntu mirrors like they did with openoffice or crossover
[20:13] <heanol> does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix an old xmodmap to be used by the new x.org?
[20:13] <Gin> the gnome theme is the same as the one used in hardy? :\
[20:13] <ljuwaidah> may i speak to the release manager?
[20:13] <ripps> So, there doesn't seem to be as many people as last release
[20:14] <ljuwaidah> you guys are really discreet about the release time, aren't you?
[20:15] <Rubin> its not a secret ljuwaidah. they just DONT KNOW
[20:15] <crimsun> ljuwaidah: the RM is very, very busy/tired.
[20:15] <s0u][ight> the release hour plz :P
[20:15] <ljuwaidah> I like fedora's approach better
[20:15] <Rubin> hes better off spending his time working on getting it out the door rather than going on IRC talking to you about his schedule
[20:16] <s0u][ight> i had upgraded to beta, do i need to do update-manager -d again?
[20:16] <Rubin> then if anything takes longer everyone can be mad at him
[20:16] <ljuwaidah> i doubt it'll take more than 1 minute to change the topic
[20:16] <ripps> It's not even Thursday yet. Be patient
[20:16] <Rubin> ljuwaidah, it will be here by tomorrow at this time.
[20:16] <ljuwaidah> it is in my time
[20:16] <dedalu> anyone who knows about network? could the last change on procps (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/procps/1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2) be the cause of my problem? If I keep pinging the router I do not have problems with hvy wireless transfers. If I start the hvy transfer without pinging, I loose connectivity but not the wireless connection (ping router returns Destination Host Unreachable)...
[20:17] <Rubin> ljuwaidah, if your so antsy for it, run the RC. it works FINE
[20:17] <ruthgard> Question
[20:17] <Rubin> dedalu, it sounds like a driver bug to me
[20:17] <ljuwaidah> not comfortable using not-final relases as my primary os
[20:18] <ruthgard> if I download the RC today and install it will the update to the real version be just some updated packages or do I need to make a dist-uprade thingy?
[20:18] <dedalu> but I did not updated the driver today... and the problem is happening after some updates
[20:18] <ljuwaidah> +1 ruthgard
[20:18] <dedalu> but yes, the driver is new... rtl8187
[20:18] <Daekdroom> ruthgard: dist-upgrade, but it might not even need that
[20:18] <ripps> RC will become Final just through regular updates... I need to alias this with ubottu.
[20:18] <Daekdroom> ruthgard: just in case they add/remove a package at the last moment
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> so what's the release manager doing right now?
[20:19] <Daekdroom> Testing ISOs?
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> damn! that must be boring :(
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> i feel sad for him
[20:20] <dedalu> thanks rubin
[20:20] <Gin> what gnome theme is Intrepid using for this release?
[20:21] <Daekdroom> Human
[20:21] <s0u][ight> it should be Human
[20:21] <Gin> the same old theme?
[20:21] <DanaG> Murrine variant, actually.
[20:21] <ripps> That being said, Intrepid comes with the New Human theme, which is different.
[20:21] <Daekdroom> Slightly modified
[20:22] <Gin> where can I see a screenshot?
[20:23] <ljuwaidah> i miss using linux, i've been using vista for over 3 months now, i want to use linux so bad
[20:23] <Gin> ljuwaidah, then get Ubuntu
[20:23] <ripps> Screw Human and just install Dust, I like it a whole lot better.
[20:23] <ljuwaidah> gin: I don't get you
[20:24] <ripps> If you want ubuntu just install the RC, it the same thing as Final is going to be.
[20:24] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: download an iso burn it boot from it and install it ;)
[20:24] <s0u][ight> there you have the so much missed linux back
[20:24] <ljuwaidah> :|
[20:24] <s0u][ight> or in a virtual machine
[20:25] <ljuwaidah> why doesn't everybody do that then?
[20:25] <rski> because everybody think's the OS is a part of the motherboard
[20:25] <rski> at least most of my friends do
[20:25] <rski> like it lives in the hardware
[20:25] <rski> kinda funny
[20:26] <rski> i haven't said anything about it thou, letting them be ignorantly happy :)
[20:26] <s0u][ight> most people think windows is the only os
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> Woha!
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> and i thought MY friends are ignorant :P
[20:27] <s0u][ight> my friends know linux tnx to me :)
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> I'm talking about you guys, why's everybody waiting for final version?
[20:27] <rski> but now it's reversed thou
[20:27] <Daekdroom> :o
[20:27] <rski> linux -is- part of the motherboard
[20:28] <rski> all hail splashtop \o/
[20:28] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: i'm using the latest version atm :P
[20:28] <ripps> I installed Ubuntu on my mom's computer about half a year ago. At first she was terrified, she thought I was going to fry her computer somehow. But now, she refuses to use XP anymore because Linux is just so much faster.
[20:28] <ljuwaidah> hahaha
[20:28] <heanol> ugh, both xmodmap and xbindkeys seem to be broken i intrepid
[20:28] <Daekdroom> I'm using Vista right now.
[20:28] <ljuwaidah> my parents refuse to try linux
[20:28] <s0u][ight> the belgian and dutch government want to switch to linux
[20:29] <ljuwaidah> me too
[20:29] <Daekdroom> Makes no sense to install a RC/final release just released
[20:29] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: a live cd... without any installation you can try it out
[20:29] <ljuwaidah> daekdroom? what? *heart rate increases dramatically*
[20:29] <Daekdroom> It's just unstable as hell
[20:29] <Daekdroom> Well. I say that because I can't boot it :(
[20:30] <ljuwaidah> the comp they're using is old, it takes ages to boot from live CDS
[20:30] <ripps> Daekdroom has a point, I don't think most Linux OS's are very stable until a month or two after their release.
[20:30] <heanol> then it shouldn't have been released.. :P
[20:31] <heanol> that's the whole point of a  stable release
[20:31] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: and that pc has vista installed?
[20:31] <Daekdroom> They have to keep a 6 month develop cycle.
[20:31] <ikonia> gents - don't forget this is a support cahnnel
[20:31] <ikonia> channel even
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> that's what you get for following a strict schedule with so many features to add in every release
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> no, it has xp home
[20:31] <Daekdroom> and most of the stability is caused by poor hardware compatibility, lost during the numerous updates
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> my laptop has vista
[20:32] <ripps> release means it's mostly stable, there will always be small things that fall through the cracks. This is universal for all OS's. Look all the problems that XP had until SP2.
[20:32] <s0u][ight> intrepid is working fine for me
[20:32] <s0u][ight> had crashed like 3 weeks ago but now everything works nice
[20:32] <ljuwaidah> s0u][ight: you're using the RC?
[20:32] <s0u][ight> led light is working for wireless yay
[20:33] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: upgraded from hardy
[20:33] <ljuwaidah> Ah!
[20:33] <chadeldridge> I am getting this :  Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".  when i sudo pretty much any command ... any idea why ?
[20:33] <ljuwaidah> s0u][ight: it usuallly doesn't?
[20:33] <ikonia> chadeldridge: are you using nvidia/ati cards
[20:33] <chadeldridge> nvidia
[20:33] <ikonia> chadeldridge: which drivers
[20:33] <chadeldridge> ikonia: 177.80
[20:34] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: wireless has improved a lot between 2.6.24 => 2.6.27
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: thats not the one shipped with ubuntu is it ?
[20:34] <s0u][ight> this is hardy compared with intrepid
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> I see
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> btw, what'sthe difference between #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1?
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> I do ask lots of questions, don't i?
[20:34] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: ubuntu+1 8.10 support ubuntu  is jus ubuntu
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> oops, i did it again
[20:34] <chadeldridge> ikonia: its not the ubuntu one but the one from the repo
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: from what repos ?
[20:34] <chadeldridge> ubuntu
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: the ones in the ubuntu repos are the ubuntu ones
[20:35] <ikonia> chadeldridge: how can it not be the ubuntu ones but the ones from the repo ?
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> so after 8.10 is released #ubuntu+1 will be for 9.04?
[20:35] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: no it will close
[20:35] <s0u][ight> :|
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> :|
[20:35] <chadeldridge> ikonia: ok .. then yes . the ubuntu on
[20:35] <wamcvey> anyone on here a xen guru? Trying to get it to work on intrepid and having difficulties
[20:35] <ikonia> chadeldridge: are you using a dual headed monitor by any chance ?
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> why?
[20:35] <ikonia> wamcvey: what's up
[20:35] <chadeldridge> ikonia: no i am not
[20:36] <ljuwaidah> why not make it for ubuntu <current version + 1>?
[20:36] <Gin> any one knows what icon theme this guy is using? http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/c0202d35b9db1df6d2be1f977a6cd5486g.jpg
[20:36] <ikonia> chadeldridge: Hmmmm, can you give me an example of a command thats failing
[20:36] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: because 9.04 doesnt exist
[20:36] <ljuwaidah> yet
[20:36] <chadeldridge> ikonia: sudo update-manager -d
[20:36] <doggymenz> when 8.10 gets released in a couple of hours, will the servers go down?
[20:36] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: any won't once 8.10 is live
[20:36] <chadeldridge> ikonia: doesnt fail though it just pops errors
[20:36] <ikonia> chadeldridge: try gksudo update-manager -d
[20:36] <doggymenz> slashdot ready? digg ready? linux.com ready?
[20:37] <ripps> When the first alpha for 9.04 is released this channel will probably be reopened.
[20:37] <ikonia> doggymenz: no servers are going down
[20:37] <doggymenz> lets make 8.10 big announcement
[20:37] <wamcvey> ikonia: I've install xen-hypervisor-3.3 installed, when I try to boot xen-3.3.gz I get panic trying to start dom0:   elf_init: not an ELF binary.
[20:37] <doggymenz> cool
[20:37] <ljuwaidah> I see
[20:37] <doggymenz> imagine if google put ubuntu on front page :D
[20:37] <chadeldridge> ikonia: yeah same errors
[20:37] <ikonia> wamcvey: that sounds pretty serious. What arch are you on
[20:37] <ikonia> chadeldridge: thats frustrating
[20:37] <chadeldridge> !paste
[20:37] <ikonia> chadeldridge: can you show me your xorg.conf in a pastebin please.
[20:37] <wamcvey> AMD_64
[20:37] <ljuwaidah> so i'll just hang out here until i get kicked, that's how i know 8.10 is released, heh
[20:38] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64270/
[20:38] <ikonia> wamcvey: go into /boot and run "file" against the xen kernel
[20:39] <ripps> Is there going to be any way to install Kernel 2.6.28 in Intrepid? KMS should greatly increase performance on my video card.
[20:39] <ikonia> ripps not currently, probably not ever
[20:39] <ljuwaidah> what's kms?
[20:39] <ljuwaidah> why?
[20:39] <ripps> Kernel Mode-Switching
[20:39] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64272/
[20:39] <michaelfavia> wanted to know if there is an iso of what will eventually be called 8.10 tomorrow floating around.
[20:40] <ikonia> chadeldridge: can you also show me /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release please
[20:40] <keithclark> ljuwaidah, just install the RC version now.  Same as release if you update
[20:40] <wamcvey> ikonia: well, the xen-3.3.gz is a gzip (obviously), zcat xen-3.3.gz | file, shows me it's a ELF 32-bit LSB executable. However, the xen hypervisor isn't what's it's complaining about, it's having issues with the dom0 (I think)
[20:40] <ikonia> michaelfavia: no - it's not released yet
[20:40] <michaelfavia> i have a testing machine id like to slap it on before i go out of town for  amonth
[20:40] <ljuwaidah> i wasn't asking about that
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: ahhhh there we go
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: it's 32bit
[20:40] <michaelfavia> ikonia, i know it isnt released but at this stage in the game not much shoul debe changing. is there a nightly iso spin?
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: dom0 is just the "domain
[20:41] <ikonia> michaelfavia: get one from the spins if you want, but I think you'll find it will have changed
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> i'm asking why 2.6.28 will "never work on inrepid"
[20:41] <tux> anyone else have a problem starting cam in kopete?
[20:41] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: work and be available are two seperate things
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> ah!
[20:41] <michaelfavia> ikonia, tomorrow is stil the release date no?
[20:41] <tux> it used to work in hardy
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> so why won't it be available?
[20:41] <ripps> ljuwaidah: ubuntu release tend to stick to a single kernel release.
[20:41] <ikonia> chadeldridge: what happened to your xorg file
[20:41] <ikonia> michaelfavia: correct
[20:41] <wamcvey> ikonia: so I can't launch a x86_64 dom0 from a x86 hypervisor then?  Ok... need to figure out how to get an 64 hypervisor.
[20:41] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64273/
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> Really?
[20:42] <ikonia> wamcvey: something very wrong there
[20:42] <chadeldridge> ikonia: nothing .. its pretty isnt it, i have a very odd setup
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: your xorg doesn't look like a default xorg for 8.10
[20:42] <ljuwaidah> fedora releases kernel updates when they're out
[20:42] <wamcvey> ikonia: I have this package installed: xen-hypervisor-3.3 - The Xen Hypervisor for i386 and amd64.
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: your using dual monitor and xinerama
[20:42] <ripps> Maybe Kernel PPA will have 2.6.28 once alpha's for Jaunty start up.
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: I asked you if you where using it and you said no
[20:42] <chadeldridge> ikonia: it is .. just modified by nvidia driver .. no xinerama
[20:42] <keithclark> ljuwaidah, how often did you want to update?
[20:42] <ljuwaidah> do they get released as testing or development for example?
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: what are lines 26 - 28 then
[20:43] <wamcvey> ikonia: and it only has /boot/xen-3.3.gz in the list of files (outside of the doc files of course)
[20:43] <ljuwaidah> I don't mind updating
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: why are two monitors defined
[20:43] <ikonia> wamcvey: I'm just trying to get the package info for xen
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: why do you have 2 cards defined
[20:43] <chadeldridge> ikonia:    Option         "Xinerama" "0"  means its off and i have to define 2 monitors to support 2 xsessions and rotate the second monitor
[20:44] <chadeldridge> ikonia: 2 heads on the same card
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: they have the same bus id
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: that is not a standard xorg setting, and the nvidia driver does not modify it like that
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: ahh nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
[20:45] <ikonia> chadeldridge: so you've used nvidia-settings to create this
[20:45] <chadeldridge> ikonia: this is out of the box after running nvidia-xconfig .. yeah you go tit
[20:45] <ikonia> chadeldridge so it's nothing like out of the box
[20:45] <michaelfavia> nvidia-xconfig != nvidia-settings
[20:45] <bsnider> chadeldridge, do _not_ run that command in intrepid
[20:45] <keithclark> Ok, I shall try one last time......does 8.10 support broadcom wireless or do I have to use windows drivers and ndiswrapper?
[20:45] <chadeldridge> bsnider: why not .. nothing says not to ?
[20:45] <ikonia> michaelfavia exactly
[20:46] <wamcvey> ikonia: my menu.lst is at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64280/  the initrd listed in there was created per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen#line-74
[20:46] <bsnider> chadeldridge, because it creates an outdated xorg.conf file
[20:46] <ikonia> wamcvey I'll have to get back to you, just prepping a macine for xen
[20:46] <chadeldridge> bsnider: well thats good to know after the fact ... shame they put the icon there to use, how else should i have done it ?
[20:46] <czajkowski> hmm just upgraded there and restarted and it's not seeing any network. any ideas?
[20:46] <wamcvey> ikonia, would you mind if we continued the assistance over email?
[20:47] <michaelfavia> keithclark, which chipset?
[20:47] <chadeldridge> ikonia: you hit something about the bus ids.. thanks that is actually an issue i have been fighting
[20:47] <bsnider> chadeldridge, first of all, what is your issue?
[20:47] <michaelfavia> keithclark, lspci
[20:47] <ikonia> wamcvey I'm in here most of the time
[20:47] <chadeldridge> bsnider: here this explains it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[20:47] <ikonia> wamcvey: you can catch me most Europe based time zones
[20:47] <wamcvey> ikonia: ok, tell ya what, would you be willing to shoot me a unicast IRC message when you've got your system up and running, so I can drop off the channel?
[20:48] <chadeldridge> ikonia: how do i find the bus ids for the heads on the video card so i can define them correctly
[20:48] <ikonia> wamcvey: not a problem at all
[20:48] <keithclark> michaelfavia, 4318
[20:48] <ikonia> chadeldridge: its normally one up eg: 1:0:0 and 1:0:1
[20:48] <wamcvey> ikonia: thanks a lot... I'll continue tinkering as well. Thanks.
[20:48] <ikonia> wamcvey: take me an hour or so
[20:48] <chadeldridge> that may be my entire issue
[20:48] <michaelfavia> keithclark, should work out of the box i think
[20:48] <michaelfavia> with restricted drivers.
[20:48] <michaelfavia> checking
[20:49] <keithclark> michaelfavia, no, it does not.
[20:49] <Trewas> chadeldridge: I have the same bug (and commented on your bug), a part of second screen is black with compiz
[20:49] <chadeldridge> ikonia: restarting X .. brb
[20:49] <michaelfavia> keithclark, you need the bcm firmware only i think
[20:49] <chadeldridge> Trewas: yep ... im gonna see if this fixes it
[20:49] <michaelfavia> used to be a firmware cutter tool
[20:50] <michaelfavia> but i though they included it recently.
[20:50] <michaelfavia> looking
[20:50] <keithclark> michaelfavia, no firmware fcutter anymore.
[20:50] <keithclark> Thanks for looking though!
[20:50] <michaelfavia> keithclark, so whats a broadcom owner left to do?
[20:51] <michaelfavia> besides ditch a crappy chiip  ;)
[20:51] <keithclark> michaelfavia, In a laptop....run XP
[20:51] <michaelfavia> dell i take it?
[20:51] <keithclark> HP
[20:51] <keithclark> Wonderful machine
[20:51] <michaelfavia> why not replace the minipci card?
[20:51] <michaelfavia> 40 bucks
[20:51] <michaelfavia> with a decent one
[20:51] <keithclark> XP is free
[20:51] <keithclark> $0
[20:52] <michaelfavia> you keep thinking that ;)
[20:52] <DanaG> HP has BIOS whitelists.
[20:52] <keithclark> I don't get it though.  Broadcom makes a lot of chips
[20:52] <keithclark> Not having a driver eliminates a ton of machines, no?
[20:53] <chadeldridge> ikonia: so changing that to a :1 cause the second screen not to start, seems it has to be :0 no idea why
[20:54] <ikonia> chadeldridge: check the pci id's it may not be one, lspci should show you
[20:54] <chadeldridge> ikonia: doing that now
[20:54] <ikonia> back in 5
[20:54] <chadeldridge> ikonia: only shows 1 card :  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
[20:55] <Lamo> After upgrading to Ibex yesterday I now have no sound except crackling. Is there a fix for this  yet?
[20:55] <michaelfavia> Lamo, sounds like pulse audio issue.
[20:55] <mikel> hey anybody know why my wireless will connect every where except my school? just spins around and then sais disconnected, i can connect at home or around town but at school no go. the schools network is dhcp no security and its not broadcasting ssid but i know it
[20:55] <michaelfavia> there was a post in the forums about it
[20:55] <michaelfavia> it was supposed to be fixed in normal upgrade..
[20:56] <michaelfavia> sorry it wasnt.
[20:56] <Lamo> had the same problem on my laptop at home but I can't find the post I read before. Ill keep looking though
[20:56] <Lamo> when is the official release date? Tomorrow?
[20:56] <wgrant> Lamo: 2008/10/30, as always.
[20:57] <mikel> no clue's?
[20:58] <bsnider> clues. not clue's
[20:58] <michaelfavia> mikel, sorry no.
[20:58] <mikel> yea yea sorry
[20:59] <mikel> hmmm
[20:59] <mikel> vista connects fine
[20:59]  * michaelfavia watches the grammar police and etiquette police and wishes theyd devote more time to actually helping people and not lording over them
[20:59] <mikel> thank you
[20:59] <michaelfavia> mikel, intrepid?
[21:00] <mikel> yea
[21:00] <Lamo>  alsamixer -Dhw needed to turn up PCM >_> remembered it being something easy to fix
[21:00] <michaelfavia> and youre specifying the SSID.
[21:00] <mikel> yep
[21:00] <keithclark> michaelfavia, they'd
[21:00] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i hope i see sarcasm in there
[21:01] <keithclark> of course!
[21:01] <michaelfavia> ;)
[21:01] <keithclark> :)
[21:01] <michaelfavia> mikel, and it will associate?
[21:01] <chadeldridge> ikonia: does that sound correct to only show 1 card ?
[21:01] <michaelfavia> but not grab dhcp?
[21:01] <mikel> yup
[21:01] <ImpatientKDE> hello
[21:01] <michaelfavia> can you manually specify a valid one?
[21:02] <michaelfavia> ip addt and dns
[21:02] <mikel> same thing with my teachers router it shows up as cis -125 but when i try to connect no go
[21:02] <michaelfavia> using what you learn from windows
[21:02] <mikel> uughh that means multiple reboots
[21:04] <mikel> so other than that (which i'll try in a moment) any other ideas?
[21:04] <michaelfavia> thinking
[21:04] <michaelfavia> mikel, no software firewall i assume?
[21:04] <michaelfavia> on your machine
[21:04] <mikel> nope fresh intrepid install
[21:04] <michaelfavia> gotcha
[21:04] <mikel> (just switched from 64b to 32b)
[21:05] <mikel> had same prob with 64 tho
[21:05] <mikel> only here at the school lol
[21:05] <mikel> nowhere elts in town
[21:05] <michaelfavia> mikel, what happens if you run dhclient?
[21:06] <michaelfavia> sudo dhclient ETHWHATEVER
[21:06] <chadeldridge> ikonia: are you back by chance ?
[21:07] <mikel> how do i find the wifi id?
[21:07] <mikel> for dhcclient
[21:07] <michaelfavia> ifconfig
[21:08] <michaelfavia> probably wlan0
[21:08] <michaelfavia> but sometimes misconfigured as eth1
[21:08] <michaelfavia> iwconfig
[21:08] <michaelfavia> mikel, sorry
[21:08] <michaelfavia> that gets you AP info too
[21:12] <Lamo> ok so now sound works but I'm getting weird flash issues, for instance I get grey lines flashing across the video and browser locks up. Anyone else have this issue?
[21:15] <mikel> wlan0 shows im connected to cis-125..!!! wtf
[21:16] <mikel> but network manager sais no go and im getting no internet
[21:16] <ripps> I going to take
[21:16] <Nikke> Hey last night i tried to install ubuntu server intrepid rc on usb stick, it didnt work so well as i tought. I came to the step where it searching for a cdrom.. and it didnt find any cdrom because i want to install it from a usb stick
[21:16] <keithclark> michaelfavia, so I guess the answer to my question is that broadcom user look elsewhere for an OS?
[21:16] <Nikke> desktop version did to install
[21:16] <ripps> I'm going to take AWN  for a spin
[21:16] <Nikke> desktop version did work*
[21:16] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i find that very hard to believe
[21:17] <frybye> re: still looking for help on installing a usb-fax-modem??
[21:17] <michaelfavia> ndis wrapper is a last respot if NO drivers exist
[21:17] <keithclark> michaelfavia, it was a question
[21:17] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ndiswrapper is not a solution to me.  That is using Windows to bandaid Linux
[21:18] <michaelfavia> no that is using windows to bandaind a crappy vendor.
[21:18] <frybye> who is the duty-usb-fax-modem- guru just now??
[21:18] <michaelfavia> linux works just fine.
[21:19] <michaelfavia> keithclark, and the FW cutter is in intrepids repos
[21:19] <mikel> dhclient sais no dhcp offers recieved and goes to sleep
[21:19] <michaelfavia> b43-fwcutter
[21:19] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I could not find it
[21:19] <michaelfavia> im looking at it
[21:19] <keithclark> Let me try again
[21:20] <michaelfavia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/b43-fwcutter keithclark
[21:20] <michaelfavia> mikel, hrm.. sorry ive never had this issue personally.
[21:20] <michaelfavia> was hoing for an error of sometype.
[21:21] <mikel> dang
[21:21] <michaelfavia> but im guessing you arent alone
[21:21] <michaelfavia> it is only THIS router right?
[21:21] <michaelfavia> AP rather
[21:21] <mikel> nope all the routers at my school
[21:21] <mikel> ap's
[21:21] <fserve> when will be released ubuntu+1?
[21:22] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I am in Ubuntu 64 bit Synaptic right now.....I did a search for fwcutter....nothing found
[21:22] <mikel> 8 hours from now god read the bold print on the website
[21:22] <michaelfavia> fserve, tomorrow
[21:23] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then it sounds like the fw isnt 64bit compat
[21:23] <mikel> what is unknow hardware address type 801?
[21:23] <michaelfavia> keithclark, you can run 32bit and use your vendors firmware
[21:23] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ah, got it
[21:23] <fserve> michaelfavia, you know the time of the release?
[21:24] <nandersson> Hi, what is this BBC-thing about? is it UK-only?
[21:24] <fserve> will be party on #ubuntu like 8.04 release? : )
[21:24] <michaelfavia> fserve, nope #ubuntu-release-party
[21:24] <nandersson> I'm writing a news story for Swedish TechWorld Open Source and I would like to know if Swedish users will be able to watch BBC-content
[21:24] <keithclark> michaelfavia, hopefully the next version of ubuntu will address this issue
[21:24] <frybye> nandersson: in totem - edit - plugins - add bbc plugin...
[21:24] <Nikke> where can i find kubuntu rc?
[21:25] <michaelfavia> Nikke, torrent or iso?
[21:25] <Nikke> iso
[21:25] <nandersson> frybye, Hrmm... I see BBC content viewer is already marked
[21:25] <swimmer1> hello
[21:25] <nandersson> byt "configure" is greyed out
[21:25] <nandersson> frybye, but "configure" is grey
[21:26] <frybye> nandersson: it is mostly audio- podcasts.. what should be video is not working right here in Germany...
[21:26] <michaelfavia> Nikke, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[21:26] <Nikke> thanks michaelfavia
[21:26] <nandersson> frybye, in spain neither so it seems
[21:26] <michaelfavia> Nikke, but the real release is tomorrow.
[21:26] <swimmer1> I'm trying to upgrade to RC with the cd -- I downloaded it and mounted the image to /media/cdrom0, now what?
[21:26] <michaelfavia> as in under 24hrs
[21:26] <michaelfavia> if you want to wait
[21:26] <nandersson> frybye, (I write for Swedish mag but live in Spain)
[21:27] <frybye> nandersson: I am not at all supprised - when trying to access broadband content (video) by any means outside the uk ti does not work cos one is not paying the liscence fee...
[21:27] <frybye> perhaps if one subscribes to realplayer plus or whatever...
[21:27] <nandersson> frybye, yeah, I thought so. I don't understand then why Canonical brag about it in their press release
[21:27] <frybye> not sure if that works in linux though...
[21:27] <ljuwaidah> just askin', kubuntu's home page will be updated when 8.10 is released, right?
[21:27] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I don't understand Ubuntus direction though.  Would you not want to direct your staff to develop a driver for Broadcom cards instead of pretty stuff?  Have the staff reverse engineer the card and create a real driver for it?  More bang for the buck, no?
[21:28] <frybye> nandersson: hundreds of files do work!!!
[21:28] <SilentK> If I install 8.1 beta now, and tomorrow I use the upgrade manager.. I'm using the official 8.1 release right?]
[21:28] <frybye> just the "news(6)" dosent seem to..
[21:28] <SilentK> Or do people with the beta need to download the new cd tomorrow?
[21:28] <Nikke> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[21:28] <Nikke> that url doesnt work
[21:28] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade from the live cd?
[21:28] <frybye> there i get always the same old video-clip of the entrance to the channel tunnel...
[21:28] <nandersson> frybye, Ok, I get "cannot connect to server" when choosing BBC
[21:28] <frybye> the bbc plugin does work!!!!
[21:28] <michaelfavia> keithclark, it is a matter of priorities. cant support all hardware vendors and those that dont want to play are last in line
[21:29] <frybye> just a few individual files dont work right apparently...
[21:29] <michaelfavia> why do the work for them
[21:29] <louise> hello guys
[21:29] <michaelfavia> it rewards their behavior
[21:29] <keithclark> michaelfavia, because you want the users.
[21:29] <louise> my touchpad is insane
[21:29] <keithclark> michaelfavia, they do not want you
[21:29] <nandersson> frybye, Ok, I cross my thingers then :-)
[21:29] <louise> can someone help me fix it?
[21:29] <nandersson> frybye, Thanks for your help :)
[21:29] <Nikke> michaelfavia, doest this url work for you: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[21:29] <frybye> nandersson: not sure why that is - 95% of the bbc-plugin content works here..
[21:30] <michaelfavia> Nikke, if timeout then the 8.10 blackout is getting started :)
[21:30] <frybye> just the video stuff not - 95% is audio apparently...
[21:30] <michaelfavia> loads get pretty high around release day
[21:30] <Nikke> :)
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> oookay, having the gnome-session problem again (taking way more processor time than it should
[21:30] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade via the cd?
[21:30] <SilentK> Can anyone answer me? If I get 8.1 beta today, would I need to re-install tomorrow when 8.1 is released to get the latest version?
[21:30] <frybye> who can help me install a usb-fax-modem???
[21:30] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then maybe the laptop manufacturer should pick a differenc chip provider. becasue the laptop maker wants you too.
[21:30] <nandersson> frybye, strange. I'm in spain though - might have something to do with it
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentK: no, update and you'll have the latest versions and be up to date
[21:30] <frybye> silentK - apparently not...
[21:30] <keithclark> michaelfavia, why, xp works
[21:31] <SilentK> Good thanks.
[21:31] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then why are you here?
[21:31] <SilentK> Are wireless cards working fine in 8.1?
[21:31] <louise> Helloooo nurse
[21:31] <frybye> nandersson: you running a non-spanish os in spain...?
[21:31] <swimmer1> hey, I downloaded the RC disk image. Can I update my computer with it somehow
[21:31] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I don't think you get my meaning........I don't mean harm here.
[21:31] <michaelfavia> SilentK, depends like always on which ...
[21:31] <bsnider> SilentK, there's a loaded question
[21:32] <nandersson> frybye, of course. I run the English version
[21:32] <SilentK> Well can anyone help me find out if mine will work?
[21:32] <michaelfavia> keithclark, none inferred
[21:32] <frybye> nandersson: perhaps that is the problem....
[21:32] <louise> my touchpad is carazy
[21:32] <bsnider> SilentK, what's yours?
[21:32] <michaelfavia> SilentK, which chipset?
[21:32] <frybye> I am in Germany with a German installaton...
[21:32] <louise> medic!
[21:32] <SilentK> I have to look..
[21:32] <nandersson> frybye, well, that's just the language
[21:32] <keithclark> michaelfavia, If I were a software developer for a Hemi engine, I would not expect Dodge to modify their engine to except my software
[21:32] <michaelfavia> SilentK, are you runing linux now?
[21:32] <SilentK> I have a laptop hp pavilion dv8110us
[21:32] <DJayC> Is there a way to configure VPN for only a range of IP addresses?  The old Network Manager had that support but it doesn't seem that the new one does
[21:32] <michaelfavia> or do you have the live cd?
[21:32] <louise> MEEEEDIIIIC
[21:32] <KDesk> I have performans problems in Intrepid with intel, has somebody this too?
[21:32] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I would modify my software to work with the Hemi
[21:33] <SilentK> I'm on a desktop with xp right now. I do have ubuntu 7.04 on my laptop
[21:33] <frybye> nandersson: if you use the uk-english it perhaps tries to access the UK only stuff and then gets nothing cos of the ip etc...
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, got some serious issues here
[21:33] <michaelfavia> SilentK, run "lspci" in linux then
[21:33] <michaelfavia> and see what the chipset is.
[21:33] <keithclark> michaelfavia, regardless of what Dodge thought
[21:33] <michaelfavia> might be intel, or broadcom, or TI
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome-session is taking a full core, and i can't launch any apps because they're stuck on unix_stream_data_wait
[21:33] <jin_> is 1.10 out already? :\
[21:33] <nandersson> frybye, Well, if that's the case it should be considered a bug. Ppl are traveling around these days.
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> strace -p <gnome-session-pid> is throwing a whole lot of too many files open issue
[21:34] <SilentK> broadcom bcm4318
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> issues*
[21:34] <nandersson> frybye, I hate to get Google in spanish - and when I change settings it doesn't stick
[21:34] <powerking> kk, I'm trying to get the wireless on this laptop to work in the 8.10 Live CD to make sure I can get it working before I install Ubuntu. Please Advise.
[21:34] <jin_> can you disable the tab feature in gnome?
[21:34] <SilentK> Also, I have not gotten it working on 7.04
[21:34] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i dont get youranalogy but it doesnt matter. If dodge wants to be part of the "modding scene" theyll design more appropriate and adaptable engines.
[21:34] <michaelfavia> otherwise they lose the market to the automaaker that does.
[21:34] <SilentK> rev 02 btw
[21:34] <michaelfavia> that is what you see here.
[21:34] <mikel> nobody loves me
[21:34] <frybye> nandersson: it is not just a tech problem - it is probably the thing about non-payment of liscence fee and so on...
[21:34] <keithclark> michaelfavia, but it earns zero revenue
[21:34] <SilentK> broadcom bcm4318 rev02
[21:35] <Daisuke_Ido> having to restart gnome every time this happens is not a feasible solution
[21:35] <michaelfavia> SilentK, 32 bit?
[21:35] <nandersson> frybye, yeah, probably. I tried Zatto before. Nice solution but now they want money
[21:35] <frybye> nandersson: by all means report it as a bug....
[21:35] <SilentK> Yes
[21:35] <nandersson> frybye, Zattoo
[21:35] <michaelfavia> then install the firmware cutter and youre set
[21:35] <frybye> zatto is free but dont work in ibex...
[21:35] <michaelfavia> SilentK, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/b43-fwcutter
[21:35] <frybye> at least it is free in germany.. i have it on 8.04 - works fine...
[21:35] <michaelfavia> available in your repo
[21:36] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I still never found the fwcutter in the repo
[21:36] <michaelfavia> you know how to install debs, etc right?
[21:36] <SilentK> Even though i havent installed 8.1 yet?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then you arent looking in the right place;)
[21:36] <keithclark> ?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> SilentK, no
[21:36] <frybye> nandersson: since when does zattoo want cash???
[21:36] <michaelfavia> you should install 8.10
[21:36] <keithclark> michaelfavia, synaptic in 8.10?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> then install the fwcutter and splice in the fw
[21:36] <nandersson> frybye, since a couple of months back - could be in spain
[21:37] <michaelfavia> keithclark, yes in a 32 bit system
[21:37] <keithclark> oh yeah, sorry
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, they want you to send them two SMS. Total cost 1-2 euro
[21:37] <frybye> nandersson: perhaps - i have used it here a few days ago....free...
[21:37] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ignore
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, I think they try it on one market and see what happens
[21:37] <mikel> anyone wanna help me install wicd?
[21:37] <frybye> i just registered on thier zattoo.de website...
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, if its profitable or not - or if ppl stop using their service
[21:38] <frybye> they have advertizing now while waiting for the channel to load afaik...
[21:38] <fserve> ubuntu intrepid dont have MIPS Simulator (SPIM) in repositories :(
[21:38] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade using the live cd, or is it still alternate only?
[21:38] <Daisuke_Ido> no one knows, time to restart gnome :\
[21:39] <frybye> try again: is there a usb-fax/modem guru in the house???
[21:39] <nandersson> frybye, in spain I get the message "One coffee per month to use Zattoo. Dear User. Due to the rising number...bla.bla.bla"
[21:39] <frybye> nandersson: pay it for christ sake... heheheh
[21:40] <nandersson> frybye, haha, I won't as I'm going to use 3g full time and it costs a fortune in spain. 60 euro for 1GB downloaded data
[21:40] <frybye> why not adsl??
[21:40] <pen> what packages do I need to install to make skype sound work again?
[21:40] <pen> I frogot
[21:40] <pen> I remember I install some packages in hardy then skype works with sound
[21:41] <keithclark> nandersson, off topic....
[21:41] <frybye> keithclark: your right of course...
[21:41] <nandersson> :-)
[21:41] <pen> in intrepid of course
[21:42] <keithclark> frybye, just an observation
[21:42] <frybye> my On Topic question - who will help me install a usb-fax-modem in intrepid???
[21:42] <pen> anyone  know?
[21:42] <keithclark> frybye, Can
[21:42] <keithclark> 't help here.....high speed connection
[21:42] <Daisuke-Ido> yeah, this is bullexcrement :\
[21:42] <Daisuke-Ido> network manager is supposed to make connecting to a network easier, not more of a pain in the rear
[21:43] <nandersson> frybye, another anoying thing. When I try to watch Youtube through Movie Player I can't as I dont have the codecs. They want to sell them to me
[21:43] <swimmer1> ok usually in irc if no one answers no one knows, but I'm pretty sure y'all know this one. I was told it was possible to update my system from the regular desktop cd (8.10rc) which I torrented. Is this possible? thanks
[21:43] <frybye> keith - the usb-modem?
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> no, it is not possible
[21:43] <nandersson> frybye, and I have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> you would have to use the *alternate* cd
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> rather than the desktop cd
[21:43] <keithclark> frybye, nope, ethernet
[21:43] <frybye> nanderson - there are repos with working codecs - not legal in every jurisdiction - accessable all over though...
[21:44] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: that's what I thought too, but someone told me it changed this year. I guess I'll just have to download some more :)
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> it may have, but i haven't seen any evidence of it
[21:44] <nandersson> frybye, *sigh* so I have to do the same thing I had to do with DVD - i.e find a unsupported repository and download it from there
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> worth a shot
[21:44] <frybye> it is a fax modem I need to install - not adsl etc... fax-analoge modem...
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> nandersson: medibuntu.
[21:44] <pen> what packages do I need to make skype sound work?
[21:44] <keithclark> frybye, sorry, I've not done that for years.
[21:44] <nandersson> Daisuke-Ido, Ok, so I use their repositories?
[21:44] <jin_> I don;t want to wait any more. Gonna install  8.10 rc1 :(
[21:44] <frybye> nandersson: you just need flash-nonfree package...
[21:45] <frybye> after activating the universal repos...
[21:45] <Daisuke-Ido> nand: that's your best bet
[21:45] <frybye> afaikremember
[21:45] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: in that case, how would I test it?
[21:46] <nandersson> frybye, I have flashplugin-nofree 10.0.12.36 and it doesn't cut it
[21:46] <Daisuke-Ido> swimmer1: put in the disc and see if it asks you to upgrade :)
[21:46] <frybye> keithclark: pleanty of need to send faxes here - original documentation with hand-signatures etc... govt offices with no email published etc etc..
[21:46] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: I mounted the iso and it didn't do anything -- guess alternate is the way to go
[21:47] <keithclark> frybye, I understand the need!  I just have no solution, sorry about that.
[21:47] <frybye> nandersson: you have mplayer and the mplayer-mozilla plugin...?
[21:47] <Daisuke-Ido> okay, is there a reason network manager HATES me?  no network information is ever stored, regardless of how many times i change it.  i want a specific static ip, and i cannot keep that for the life of me.  it keeps defaulting to auto eth0 (dhcp) every friggin time
[21:47] <frybye> keithclark: no prob... a couple of hours ago i got really flamed - "why use fax - email is better etc etc.."
[21:48] <pen> nvm
[21:48] <frybye> well - i am outa here.. getting a bit late and work tomorrow - nite all...
[21:48] <pen> I solved it
[21:48] <pen> just change the defult to pulse
[21:49] <pen> hooray!!!
[21:49] <nandersson> frybye, I didn't had mplayer-mozilla-plugin. Trying...
[21:49] <frybye> nandersson: i will wait a moment to hear what you say.. but to think of it - that should be a flash player for you tube .. hmmmm
[21:50] <what_the_deuce> Hey there, does anyone know what is happening with webcam support for syntek cams (stk11xx)?
[21:50] <frybye> still I seem to remember that I fixed the prob that way...
[21:50] <what_the_deuce> This support was in Hardy but is lacking in Intrepid
[21:51] <Daisuke-Ido> so every time i end up connecting to irc twice and waiting for my real nick to time out
[21:51] <nandersson> frybye, well. No luck :-( I get "Search for suitable codec". It works fine in Firefox though but not in Movie Player
[21:51] <what_the_deuce> If anything, can someone help me install the driver manually?
[21:51] <keithclark> frybye, not a matter of flaming....just older technology.
[21:51] <nandersson> frybye, I get sound but no video
[21:52] <frybye> keith - not you are flameing - the ppl who had a go at me for asking about fax at all etc...
[21:52] <frybye> electricity is an ancient tech now but we still use it every day.. heheh
[21:53] <frybye> they are even talking of going back to dc power distribution hehehe
[21:54] <frybye> nandersson: then it should autom. search and find a codec or...?
[21:54] <frybye> anyhow.. i MUST be off now - bye nandersson - bye all ...
[21:54] <nandersson> frybye, They fire up the webpage and want to sell me the Fluendo codec for 22 pounds
[21:57] <KDesk> I have performans problems in Intrepid with intel, has somebody this problems too?
[21:58] <Daisuke-Ido> you're going to have to be a little more specific than that
[21:58] <Daisuke-Ido> i have performance problems with nvidia, that doesn't mean nvidia's actually related to the issues
[21:59] <clarezoe> hi i just upgrade to 8,10, now I cannot get in the desktop anymore
[21:59] <clarezoe>  the screen and cursor keep flashing
[22:00] <what_the_deuce> Can anyone here help me install the webcam driver for a syntek chipset cam? (stk11xx)
[22:00] <michaelfavia> clarezoe, nvidia or ait?
[22:00] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, intel
[22:01] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, the desktop background displays, but not others. if I restart X, the gdm window acts the same
[22:03] <jojoman02> KDesk: i have problem also
[22:03] <Daisuke-Ido> well, it's not just me that networkmanager hates
[22:03] <KDesk> jojoman02: Hi, I have an intel 865G, what car do you have?
[22:03] <Daisuke-Ido> supposedly the fix was released, apparently i never got the memo
[22:03] <Nikke> people can update their 8.04 versions, where can i find isos?
[22:03] <jojoman02> KDesk: let me check, one second...]
[22:09] <KDesk> jojoman02: I will come back in 2 min. I have to restart my X to see if with XAA aceleration it is better.
[22:10] <powerking> so I'm trying to get wireless to work; its found the device, got the Atheros Driver isntalled. I just dont know how to enable the device and make it sing and dance.
[22:16] <Rabenvogel> hello
[22:16] <KDesk> jojoman02: I am back. And the performance is nor faster with XAA aceleration! Try you too changeing the:  Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"  in xorg.conf in the "Device" Section.
[22:16] <Rabenvogel> Short Question: Will Ubuntu 8.10 release with a new wallpaper or will the use the wallpaper of the RC? => http://www.loaditup.de/files/285571.jpg
[22:16] <maelcum> hi. what's up with fglrx? there is no version for xorg 7.4 and intrepid uses 7.4, right?
[22:17] <maelcum> so, can i expect my video chip (amd 780g) to continue working?
[22:18] <maelcum> i have a crt screen so i can't use e.g. vesa because it makes my eyes bleed
[22:18] <Alan> Are there any major reasons not to upgrade to the RC at the moment apart from the nvidia/ati proprietary drivers thing?
[22:19] <Alan> (proprietary drivers don't really work for my card anyway)
[22:19] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, are you still there?
[22:19] <ConstantineXVI> Alan: well, the RC version isn't being downloaded from a server that's melted to the floor, if you call that a minus
[22:19] <danbh_intrepid> Alan: the major ones should be listed in the release notes
[22:20] <Alan> danbh_intrepid, right, and the release notes actually list all the important problems?
[22:20] <clarezoe> please help!
[22:20] <Alan> Doesn't look like there's anything that'll affect me there..
[22:21] <danbh_intrepid> Alan: well, thats the hope
[22:21] <maelcum> there is no mention of ati whatsoever in the release notes. huh? afaics xorg 7.4 and fglrx are not compatible...
[22:22] <danbh_intrepid> maelcum: I thought that was fixed
[22:22] <Alan> heh, sorry, i just assumed that if the nvidia drivers weren't up to scratch, getting 3d acceleration on ati would be broken too :P
[22:22] <danbh_intrepid> the latest nvidia drivers work.  The legacy ones dont
[22:23] <maelcum> danbh_intrepid: well, it looks so because fglrx is among the packages but i still wonder how that can be...
[22:23] <danbh_intrepid> maelcum: well, its open source.  I suspect that someone just fixed them.  I dunno
[22:24] <maelcum> well, it's *not* open source unfortunately.
[22:25] <KDesk> AFAIK intrepid has a fglrx pakcage in the repos that IS compatible with xserver 1.5. Also the opensuse drivers work well (radeon, radeonhd)
[22:25] <maelcum> well, i'll just see what happens :)
[22:27] <jojoman02> KDesk: thanks, i will try that
[22:27] <maelcum> KDesk: the 780g chipset (~ radeon hd 3200) is supported by open source drivers?
[22:27] <maelcum> the release notes of x.org 7.4 don't mention that generation iirc.
[22:28] <KDesk> maelcum: sorry I don't know. Maybe it is partialy.
[22:28] <maelcum> yeah ok, i can look that up myself
[22:29] <KDesk> maelcum: I think it supports take a look http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_780g_linux&num=6
[22:29] <DJTachyon_> oh looks like android built
[22:30] <powerking> can anyone suggest some good wireless network managers?
[22:30] <powerking> my device is found, but its just not....on and in use.
[22:30] <powerking> and I have no idea how to enable/use it
[22:32] <maelcum> KDesk: ah thanks. so one driver or the other will very likely work.
[22:33] <maelcum> 1439 packages to get ^^
[22:38] <d3xter> can anyone help me? i can't open my bookmarks in the place-menu
[22:41] <jin_> any one running 8.10 rc1?
[22:42] <mercutio22> jin_> I guess I am
[22:43] <ldiamond> Is 8.10 going to be available at like 0h00 UTC or anytime during the day?
[22:43] <jin_> mercutio22, I think ther eis a bug or a "new" feature which I hate
[22:43] <jin_> mercutio22, clcik on the volume ison on your panel
[22:43] <mercutio22> jin_> which is it?
[22:43] <Rods_Tiger> when is 9.0 out?
[22:43] <jin_> change the volume and then click on the desktop
[22:43] <ldiamond> after 8.10
[22:43] <jin_> does the volume var disappear by itself?
[22:44] <Rods_Tiger> ten past eight in the morning?
[22:44] <mercutio22> jin_> yeah, it doesn't go away
[22:44] <jin_> mercutio22, it does on Ubuntu 8.04 :(
[22:44] <jin_> this is very annoying..
[22:44] <mercutio22> jin_> yep, it is
[22:44] <jin_> what is wrong with the gnome team?
[22:45] <mercutio22> jin_> maybe no one reported this as a bug
[22:45] <jin_> thousands have tested the beta and no one noticed this? :(
[22:45] <jin_> now it is too late
[22:46] <mercutio22> jin_> it is possible
[22:47] <jin_> this is sad :(
[22:48] <WelshDragon> jin_, it's possible it purposely does that.
[22:48] <jin_> mercutio22, any workaround for this? maybe another volume applet ?
[22:48] <jin_> WelshDragon, I prefer the old way
[22:50] <jin_> mercutio22, are you going to report this bug?
[22:51] <jin_> a bug just before release. :S
[22:51] <michaelfavia> jin this can be fixed instream even after release if anyone cares to do it.
[22:53] <d3xter> bookmarks in the place-menu doesn't work for me, but they do in nautilus?!
[22:53] <jin_> so far I like Intrepid :)
[22:54] <Daisuke_Ido> why not just wheel over the applet
[22:54] <Daisuke_Ido> quicker way to change volume anyhow :)
[22:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm more concerned with the still annoying networkmanager-not-respecting-static-settings crap
[22:55] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, is it trying to force dhcp?
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: yep
[22:56] <michaelfavia> boo.
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and the devices in my house connect to this machine and expect it to have a specific IP
[22:57] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, your router cant do a dhcp reservation?
[22:57] <michaelfavia> which pairs the MAC address to the ip and always gives it the same one.
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: doubtful, as it's the cheap POS i got from verizon...
[22:57] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, youd be surprized.
[22:57] <michaelfavia> those verizon router work decently well.
[22:58] <joshuajtl> hey, anyonw happen to know what time EST ubuntu release is?
[22:58] <jameswf> are we there yet?
[22:58] <Daisuke_Ido> westell
[22:58] <jameswf> are we there yet?
[22:58] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, if you know how to enable remote management id be happy to look for you just change the password to somethin you dont mind sharing
[22:58] <michaelfavia> otherwise good luck :)
[22:59] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, under the "advanced" tab up top it looks like
[23:00] <michaelfavia> IP address distrobution
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> joshuajtl: its in 2 hours
[23:00] <jin_> nice, gnome now have picture preview in the browse dialog :)
[23:00] <michaelfavia> jim- yeah some time coming :)
[23:01] <michaelfavia> danbh_intrepid, 2 hours really?
[23:01] <michaelfavia> i didnt know that
[23:01]  * michaelfavia waits then
[23:01] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: what model is that. because i'm not seeing anything close to that
[23:01] <danbh_intrepid> michaelfavia: sorry, its at least 2 hours
[23:01] <michaelfavia> dunno; just look for things like ip address, LAN, reservation, etc
[23:02] <michaelfavia> danbh_intrepid, ah. yes.
[23:02] <danbh_intrepid> michaelfavia: you will get a more accurate answer in #ubuntu-release-party        You should ask there
[23:02]  * jin_ hopes the nvidia driver is better 
[23:03] <mattva01> any idea why a system running intrepid-64 would freeze as it goes into gnome(seems to happen right as it connects to network)
[23:05] <joshual> did anyone answer my question about ubuntu release?
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> static host assignment?
[23:05] <joshual> me?
[23:05] <jin_> why does Ubuntu include the latest vlc in the repo? the interface is ugly. the older version integrates better in gnome
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> shoot, that's for DNS
[23:06] <geremy_> all vlc is ugly, no idea why
[23:06] <chad> function over form i suppose
[23:06] <td123> geremy_: you mean the gui?
[23:06] <jin_> I did not have any problem with the older version :\
[23:06] <td123> geremy_: its exactly what chad says...
[23:07] <geremy_> td123: yeah- personal preference and all that, but I've never liked the gui on it
[23:07] <td123> geremy_: I think function is Way more important then looks..
[23:08] <geremy_> td123: granted. I like vlc- i just happen to think its ugly.
[23:08] <td123> geremy_: oh.. well in that case, its your opinion :D
[23:09] <geremy_> td123: trying to start a media player flamewar lol?
[23:09] <geremy_> MPLAYERRRRRRR!
[23:09] <td123> geremy_: ya, I thought that was what you were trying to do lol
[23:09] <geremy_> td123: it plays media. its not even in my top thousand things to flame about.
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to see what this does
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> wish me luck
[23:10] <geremy_> sounds ominous
[23:10] <geremy_> maybe I shouldnt....
[23:10] <td123> geremy_: believe me, you would be surprised the kind of flame wars that could erupt :P
[23:10] <chad> anyone have cairo-dock install or would anyone happen to know why i cant setup a launcher to start nautilus --browser --no-desktop
[23:10] <geremy_> td123: I was there for the nano vs pico war of 2001
[23:11] <td123> geremy_: vim won of course :P
[23:11] <beautifulsnow> Any of you lovely people know what argument I must give apt-get or aptitude to make it install only required packages (not recomended ones please!) when installing an app?
[23:11] <geremy_> td123: doesn't it always?
[23:11] <td123> geremy_: :D
[23:11] <Prez00> hello
[23:11] <Prez00> how beta is the beta?
[23:11] <geremy_> pretty rc right now
[23:12] <td123> beautifulsnow: it installs only required by default
[23:12] <chad> Prez00: it goes live in a few hours .. lol so its pretty close to done
[23:12] <ltmon> Hi all.  Since upgrading to the intrepid release candidate today I'm having a serious networking problem.  My eth0 ("82566MM Gigabit Network Connection") is constantly "NO-CARRIER", even though I'm plugged into a connection that is known good (i.e. other computers can use it just fine).  Tried a few connections as well.  Any idea how to debug this, as I'm stumped?
[23:12] <beautifulsnow> Oh really! :P Thanks td123  , I feel silly now :P
[23:12] <td123> chad: what goes live in a few hourse?
[23:12] <geremy_> 'course, I still haven't gotten a live burn...
[23:12] <chad> 8.10 moves to released
[23:13] <td123> beautifulsnow: don't feel silly, they changed it about a week ago
[23:13] <beautifulsnow> Bless them.
[23:13] <td123> chad: you mean the iso will be available for download?
[23:14] <chad> td123: the release date is tomorrow  ... but the RC iso is already available
[23:14] <Prez00> chad: i figured... :-)
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> ehh, so far so good
[23:14] <chad> Prez00: not saying there are not issues ... cause there are, but it works pretty well
[23:15] <Prez00> chad, what u running it on?
[23:15] <chad> xps m1710
[23:16] <geremy_> hey, can yall do me a favor and see if you can make it to screenlets.org
[23:16] <Prez00> i'm at 8.04, command to upgrade to RC?
[23:16] <td123> chad: hmm, did canonical get more bandwidth / servers this time ?!? :P for 8.04, the servers were dling @ 100kbps about 3 days after the release lol
[23:17] <td123> uling*
[23:17] <chad> td123: always use torrents .. its very fast the more people that are downloading
[23:17] <Aranel> when will the intrepid release?
[23:17] <td123> chad: torrents were also bogged down :D
[23:18] <td123> chad: torrents were my first choice, but mirrors proved to be faster :P
[23:18] <d3xter> upgrade to 8.10 sucks :-/
[23:18] <td123> d3xter: just fresh install it..
[23:18] <geremy_> wish I could get a burn going
[23:18] <Aranel> d3xter: why? :=)
[23:19] <d3xter> Aranel: many bugs appear, like the bookmarks in the place-menu doesnt work, the panel-background image doesnt exist ....
[23:20] <d3xter> td132: yes I'm going to
[23:20] <mado> i'm here mxiia :)
[23:21] <mado> oy ... there's a party? :)
[23:21] <mxiia> mado, what are processor are you using? amd64? ix86?
[23:21] <Aranel> d3xter: be optimist, they will fix them all soon :)
[23:22] <d3xter> Aranel: hopefully :)
[23:22] <mado> erm ... intel core 2 duo t7??? ... :) ... i guess that's a ix86 :)
[23:22] <mado> why do you ask?
[23:23] <mado> mxiia, ... erm ... intel core 2 duo t7??? ... :) ... i guess that's a ix86 :) ... why do you ask=
[23:23] <mado> ?
[23:23] <td123> mado: core 2 duo will work with x86 and 64...
[23:24] <td123> mado: amd64 just means 64bit compatible
[23:24] <torch_> Anyone know if the ati fglrx drivers for Ibex are considered "finished"? Running WoW under wine ( 1.17 ) on an Ati X1900XT card and performance is much worse than in WinXP...
[23:24] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... well ... i'd use ix86 ... :) ... somebody told me this would be safer :)
[23:24] <maelcum> amd invented amd64 and intel tried to hide the fact that they copied it with some lame marketing, so it's fair to call it amd64 :)
[23:24] <mxiia> mado, because I am running amd64 and had some problems with the latest linux kernel, so i had to run a previous kernel. So i thought your problem was related to the processor
[23:24] <td123> mado: oh ya, I would go with x86 also
[23:24] <td123> :P
[23:24] <mado> mxiia, uhuu ... i see
[23:25] <mado> td123, :))
[23:25] <mxiia> td123. yes. most computers are intel, i built this one my self, so it is amd
[23:25] <mado> and erm ... you suggest i should wait about a day and then download 8.10 ...
[23:25] <mattva01> exit
[23:25] <mado> i hope there won't be the slowliness-problem again ... it took about a minute just to mark a folder
[23:25] <td123> mado: exactly
[23:26] <mxiia> mado, yes, wait for the official release which will be Oct 31st for you because you are in a different time zone.
[23:26] <mado> :)
[23:26] <beautifulsnow> td123, are you sure I don't need to add an argument to apt-get to install only dependencies? :^_^;  It's still giving me the recomendations
[23:26] <td123> mxiia: what time is it supposed to be released?
[23:26] <maelcum> the download servers are still very fast which they might not be anymore once the release is official...
[23:27] <td123> beautifulsnow: I think so.. hmm. let me check ok?
[23:27] <mado> it'll be ok ... i don't have much time today or tomorow afternoon ... so i will do that in the evening or early in the night
[23:27] <mxiia> td123, I'm not entirely sure of the exact time, I know that mado is in austria and if you /ctcp time him you can see it is already the 30th
[23:27] <beautifulsnow> td123,  thank you kindly ^_~
[23:28] <mado> huh?
[23:28] <mado> funny :)
[23:28] <mxiia> /ctcp time mxiia
[23:28] <smil3y> anyone have experience using backport modules for intrepid, will legacy nvidia cards work with the backport proprietary driver?
[23:29] <tdoggette> Is the present RC the final release?
[23:29] <mxiia> would do it, You;d see it is Wed. Oct 29th for me, around 7:30 PM
[23:29] <mado> nah ... didn't work :)
[23:29] <mxiia> tdoggette, no, the final release is tomorrow
[23:29] <mxiia> /ctcp mxiia time
[23:29] <mxiia> sorry
[23:29] <mado> uhuu ... nice thing :)
[23:29] <mado> thank you for showing me that
[23:30] <tdoggette> mxiia: Thanks.
[23:30] <mxiia> no problem, mado, your welcome ,tdoggette
[23:30] <mado> :)
[23:31] <mado> oy ... one more thing ... -> http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/84403-1.jpg
[23:31] <mado> can you tell me what kind of weather-tool this is?
[23:31] <Sylphid> hello, im having an odd issue im wondering if someone could verify that it is either a bug or my machine ..... i had installed eagle prior to upgrading to intrepid now after running eagle or attempting to reinstall my Xserver is restarted
[23:31] <mado> it looks quite nice
[23:31] <maelcum> mado: lcdweather
[23:32] <mado> thank you maelcum
[23:32] <mado> now all i have to do is find out more about it :)
[23:32] <maelcum> i don't know the package name though...
[23:33] <mado> well ... i guess this thing is something one can only use with kde4 ...
[23:33] <td123> beautifulsnow: ok, try installing the package with the command "sudo aptitude install --without-recommends --without-suggests package-name"
[23:33] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, you here, sir?
[23:33] <mado> but i will look for it anyway
[23:33] <maelcum> it is a plasma applet so it definitely only works with kde 4
[23:34] <beautifulsnow> td123,  Haha, that will be so easy to remember ^_^  *gives you gold medal* I was looking on some apt-get manual I found online but didn't see that, thank you
[23:34] <td123> beautifulsnow: I can't find the article were it said they changed it :/ maybe it was for something else
[23:34] <mado> well ... when i installed kde4 for a test-run some days ago i couldn't find it
[23:35] <beautifulsnow> td123,  yeah, didn't work.,  the option is not recognize. Oh well, back to goodle  :P
[23:35] <beautifulsnow> *google
[23:36] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: a little
[23:36] <maelcum> mado: afaik it's still in the playground part of the kde source repository which means that it's probably not in the packages installed by default.
[23:36] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: whats up?
[23:37] <td123> beautifulsnow: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[23:37] <beautifulsnow> td123, I'm on intrepid minimal install, would like to do a GUI install. The guides I find online seem to be outdated.
[23:38] <mado> thanks maelcum ... i will check that in about two days when 8.10 is out
[23:38] <danbh_intrepid> beautifulsnow: you mean like: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[23:38] <td123> beautifulsnow: hmm maybe you're typing it wrong.. type in sudo aptitude --without-<double tab>
[23:39] <danbh_intrepid> beautifulsnow: yeah, you should probably use aptitude
[23:40] <alteregoa> can someone weed me?
[23:40] <alteregoa> i got a problem
[23:40] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, so they're going to be including a patched ath9k in a future backports package to replace the one in the kernel
[23:40] <alteregoa> negative priority = less?
[23:41] <alteregoa> -19 = very low?
[23:41] <maelcum> alteregoa: the other way around
[23:41] <beautifulsnow> danbh,td123  tty tab-complete seems not to work all the time :P Sometimes it completes sometimes it doesnt. I'm never too good with aptitude, but, hey, I'll go ahead and do install with recommends ^^
[23:41] <alteregoa> strange
[23:41] <alteregoa> eh? other way around, negative priority is more time slice
[23:42] <Sylphid> alteregoa, its a nice level
[23:42] <alteregoa> haha, someone from the opposide earth visited us in the past
[23:42] <maelcum> this is pretty standard in computer science, lower number means higher priority. if you sort a list by number the smallest numbers will come first. i guess that this is the reason.
[23:42] <alteregoa> ok
[23:42] <alteregoa> i agree
[23:42] <Sylphid> alteregoa, negative means it doesnt want to play with others
[23:42] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: I thought Tim was done with ath9k.  He was going to add stuff to that ath5k drivers.  Am I wrong?
[23:42] <bsnider> wrong
[23:43] <alteregoa> ok i entered -10
[23:43] <bsnider> someone came up with a patch that solves all of the connection issues and so they're including it
[23:43] <alteregoa> i just need aprox 1/3 more priority for a specific process
[23:43] <alteregoa> i hope the priority is linear, not exponential
[23:44] <tdoggette> Does the Ibex installer play nice with Vista partitions?
[23:44] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: rocking, where did you see this?
[23:45] <maelcum> afaik the nice levels are actually exponential (and this is mostly a good thing).
[23:45] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, starting under your bug and then going from there to the ath9k bug site
[23:46] <maelcum> alteregoa: 1/3 sounds pretty random. maybe you want it to get a certain cpu share, no matter what? in that case you can also enable real-time scheduling for the process.
[23:47] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: I don't see what you are talking about.  bug 259157   right?
[23:48] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I am having some major issues.  I just bought a new flat-screen LCD monitor that was used and tested before I bought it.  It was fine when hooked up to a Windows computer.  Now, I'm having issues with the red channel in Ubuntu.  When I go to the settings on the monitor, though, red comes out just fine, leading me to think it's a software problem.  Can anyone help me?
[23:48] <maelcum> high, invalid :O
[23:48] <bsnider> langasek has a post in that bug about a duplicate. you then go to the other bug, and there's all kinds of talk about it
[23:48] <jdsbluedevl> or do you think it could be the VGA connector that's the issue?
[23:49] <obocaman> hi
[23:49] <jdsbluedevl> monitor is a Dell 1703FP
[23:50] <jdsbluedevl> and yes, I'm using Intrepid
[23:50] <bsnider> bug 284354
[23:50] <obocaman> i have a problem with the adsl router zyxel prestige 643, wih ubuntu 8.10 i dont have internet , and the router works fine with other computers
[23:50] <obocaman> someone can help?
[23:53] <jdsbluedevl> hello?
[23:53] <obocaman> hello
[23:53] <obocaman> can you help me?
[23:53] <jdsbluedevl> probably not
[23:53] <obocaman> ok
[23:53] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: yeah, I see the bug... but I don't see anything about ath9k, just ath5k
[23:53] <danbh_intrepid> are they similar or something?
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> but can you help me?  I can't get the red channel working on my Dell 1703FP in Ubuntu, but I can through the menu on the monitor
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> so it's either a software issue or a cable issue
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> which one do you think it is?
[23:55] <jdsbluedevl> although, to tell you the truth, I had the same issue when showing the BIOS screen, so maybe it is the cable?
[23:55] <ds[de]> jdsbluedevl: sounds rather likely ;)
[23:55] <jdsbluedevl> nvm, when I lifted up my computer, it momentarily worked, then when I put it down, it reverted
[23:56] <jdsbluedevl> forget what I said, it's a VGA cable issue
[23:56] <jdsbluedevl> I know what to do now, thx
[23:56] <ds[de]> jdsbluedevl, uhm ok, you're welcome (?) :)
[23:56] <obocaman> theres is someone that knows about networking on the ubuntu 8.10??
[23:57] <ds[de]> obocaman: probably lots of people.. what did you do to enable internet access via your router?
[23:57] <ds[de]> obocaman, did you upgrade from hardy? did the internet work "back then"?
[23:58] <tdoggette> Does the Ibex installer play nice with Vista partitions?
[23:59] <obocaman> sorry
[23:59] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, I gota go.  Ill be happy with any improvements to the ath9k driver  :)
[23:59] <obocaman> i instaled from a beta cd
[23:59] <obocaman> the thing is