| R4z3r | hello all | 04:47 |
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| R4z3r | I would like to help create artwork for Ubuntu or other ubuntu based distros | 04:52 |
| R4z3r | hello aantn | 04:53 |
| aantn | hey R4z3r | 04:59 |
| R4z3r | how are you today? | 04:59 |
| R4z3r | I would like to help with any art related projects :-) | 05:03 |
| R4z3r | I have experience with many graphic apps | 05:03 |
| aantn | R4z3r: I'm not the person to ask :( | 05:03 |
| R4z3r | as well as some knowledge of code | 05:03 |
| R4z3r | not a problem aantn | 05:03 |
| aantn | R4z3r: perhaps try sending an email to the mailing list | 05:03 |
| R4z3r | kinda a blanket statement | 05:03 |
| aantn | R4z3r: or just pick out one that interests you | 05:04 |
| R4z3r | where would I "pick out one"? looking around the site and not finding much in terms of helping me : / | 05:05 |
| R4z3r | sorry.. | 05:05 |
| R4z3r | cause I got to here | 05:05 |
| R4z3r | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=show&redirect=ArtworkTeam | 05:05 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: if you look in the topic, project kyudo is very much in early stages but gives you an idea on what ubuntu is trying to look like | 05:06 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: there is also the breathe iconset which you can help in by submitting icons | 05:06 |
| R4z3r | ah :-) | 05:07 |
| R4z3r | the Project Kyudo seems like fun actually :-) | 05:07 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: finally, mostly it goes by you creating and submitting a draft of something (usually to the ML) and then people giving you ideas and/or offering to help out | 05:07 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: currently everything is a little bit quiet due to intrepid about to be released | 05:08 |
| R4z3r | ah ok :-) | 05:08 |
| R4z3r | understandable | 05:08 |
| R4z3r | I'm just moving over to Ubuntu/Vista from Gentoo/Vista | 05:08 |
| R4z3r | so didn't realize that Intrepid was just to be released | 05:09 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: and here is the main wikipage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork which you should probably have a good read through | 05:09 |
| R4z3r | understandable | 05:10 |
| R4z3r | thank you for the help ziroday, it's appreciated =] | 05:10 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: haha no problem :) | 05:10 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: finally you might want to have a glance through the intrepid submission pages to give you an idea of what people have done as well as get the community-themes package from kwwii's ppa to get a look at 3 themes that were really really good | 05:11 |
| R4z3r | yeah, was thinking that. trying to figure out the formats they'd like | 05:12 |
| R4z3r | as I can create some that may be asthetically nicer in Photoshop than in some of the recommended programs, so looking into all that as well | 05:13 |
| ziroday | R4z3r: mmm, I think the current intrepid wallpaper was made in photoshop, but really not certain | 05:13 |
| R4z3r | true, the icons they'd like in SVG :/ | 05:14 |
| R4z3r | ah Illustrator can do it :-) | 05:17 |
| R4z3r | I'll be back later :-) gunna mess around with some ideas :-) | 05:19 |
| R4z3r | thanks again! | 05:20 |
| xivulon | thorwil: hi, any progress? | 12:48 |
| thorwil | xivulon: a bit, yesterday. today i finally need to concentrate on this :} | 12:59 |
| robsta | hi | 13:02 |
| robsta | i've been wondering if you have heard of the css engine for gtk, and whether anyone here would be interested in doing a kickass theme for my next release | 13:03 |
| thorwil | robsta: yes, i'm very interested in the css engine. not sure if how and when to do a theme with it, though | 13:06 |
| thorwil | robsta: you might yield more responses by posting to the ubuntu-art list | 13:06 |
| robsta | hmm | 13:07 |
| robsta | i'd rather keep it low noise and face-to-face for now | 13:07 |
| robsta | there's no documentation and not much testing | 13:08 |
| thorwil | robsta: ok. i am interested, but don't have the time right now. maybe you can catch rsc when he shows up here, he's the man behind dust | 13:08 |
| robsta | ok | 13:09 |
| robsta | anyway, the upcoming 0.3 should be the first with desktop-wide support (not just widget factory) | 13:09 |
| robsta | so it's starting to be more interested for themers | 13:10 |
| thorwil | robsta: i mean to recall that there are some changes going on to make the css targets more designer friendly? will that be in 0.3? | 13:10 |
| robsta | *interesting | 13:10 |
| robsta | thorwil, yes | 13:10 |
| thorwil | robsta: long term, do you expect performance similar to clearlooks, or are there issues there? | 13:11 |
| robsta | currently it's very much tied to how gtk draws things, but i'm working on making it more intuitive | 13:11 |
| andreasn | robsta: whups, time to blog for me :) | 13:11 |
| robsta | thorwil: the gnome theming blog has some info | 13:12 |
| robsta | andreasn: yeah, well, if you did your (blogging) job properly i didn't have to be on the knocker myself :P | 13:13 |
| * andreasn pretends it's raining | 13:13 | |
| thorwil | robsta: what's the point in repeating "gtk" everywhere? | 13:14 |
| robsta | thorwil: you mean in the css classes? | 13:14 |
| thorwil | yes | 13:14 |
| robsta | well, you can have an arbitrary number of classes for each node, e.g. <div class="foo bar baz">...</div> | 13:15 |
| robsta | so we're setting the gtk-related ones apart | 13:15 |
| thorwil | ah, ok | 13:15 |
| robsta | andreasn: well, if you don't blog it that's good too, because the post is outdated | 13:43 |
| andreasn | in what way is it outdated? | 13:43 |
| robsta | andreasn: just a few minor changes regarding the css classes | 13:44 |
| andreasn | well, I still want to draw more eyes to the project | 13:44 |
| robsta | at this point it doesn't matter so much, as long as i find a designer with time :) | 13:45 |
| robsta | anyway, i want to start using the css engine myself before 0.3, so if bad comes to worse i'll do a theme myself | 13:46 |
| robsta | maybe finish gilouche or so | 13:46 |
| robsta | thorwil: to answer your question about performance, it really depends on the theme i'd say | 14:30 |
| robsta | if you just use solid fills and css-native borders you'll get faster rendering than with all-svg | 14:31 |
| thorwil | robsta: i wasn't even aware of svg support | 14:31 |
| robsta | also the whole thing is not optimised at all at this point, there are more pressing needs | 14:32 |
| robsta | thorwil: you can use png and svg interchangeably | 14:32 |
| robsta | (only the latter ones will scale smoothly) | 14:33 |
| thorwil | robsta: can you change colors of svg parts via css? | 14:34 |
| robsta | thorwil: there's also a patch in the works so you can design all svg parts in a single svg file and reference like "background-image: url('theme.svg#foo')" | 14:34 |
| robsta | thorwil: recoloring doesn't work, i'm more interested in standards-compliant css features at this point | 14:36 |
| robsta | you can use gtk system colours though | 14:36 |
| thorwil | hi aantn. i a had a look at your presentation slides yesterday. very well done! | 14:36 |
| aantn | thorwil: thank you | 14:38 |
| thorwil | robsta: this all sounds very good. i will have to make some time to play with it in the coming month :) | 14:40 |
| robsta | thorwil: let me finish 0.3 | 14:47 |
| cak3 | robsta, I was just reading the irc logs noticed you were talking about a css engine for gtk which I'm very interested in. where can I get it? :D | 15:39 |
| robsta | cak3: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk-css-engine/0.2/ | 15:40 |
| robsta | cak3: but you should read the release notes, they say it's experimental, far from ready for public consumption, and will try to sell drugs to your kids | 15:40 |
| cak3 | haha im ok with that, this is something I've been looking for a long time | 15:42 |
| robsta | cak3: seriously, i'm just changing the css vocabulary, so 0.2 is pretty outdated | 15:43 |
| cak3 | oh.. when is the next version expected? | 15:44 |
| robsta | should be a matter of weeks | 15:44 |
| robsta | cak3: as said, i'm looking for designer(s) | 15:44 |
| cak3 | im very interested in making a theme using css | 15:45 |
| robsta | cak3: awesome, let's stay in touch | 15:46 |
| cak3 | sure, is there much point attempting to make a theme with 0.2? | 15:46 |
| robsta | cak3: i'm especially interested in themes that look nothing like current themes, e.g. http://exchange.enlightenment.org/files/theme/154/screenshot.png | 15:46 |
| robsta | cak3: not really, pretty much everything changes, gets better and tastier, and more attractive to $other_gender | 15:47 |
| cak3 | haha | 15:48 |
| cak3 | well the reason why I've been wanting a css engine is to do something completely different | 15:49 |
| robsta | cak3: so if you are serious about this you'd try to seduce me with a mockup first and i'd try to get a rough version up so you see how stuff works | 15:50 |
| cak3 | sure | 15:50 |
| robsta | cak3: so you have a theme (in the more abstract sense) in mind? | 15:57 |
| cak3 | not yet, I've only just found out a working css engine existed 10mins ago lol.. I've always put off making a theme till css was supported.. I can better describe my ideas with a mockup | 16:02 |
| robsta | cak3: are you the designer of "Dust"? | 16:03 |
| cak3 | nah, is the designer of Dust a mystery or something? | 16:05 |
| robsta | oh, mixup, that'd be "rsc" | 16:06 |
| robsta | cak3: where can i find your portfolio? | 16:07 |
| cak3 | I haven't got one, never have the time till recently.. I can only show you bits of my work, http://www.polybonk.com (co owner) pretty much everything on that site apart from the music was made by me.. umm http://www.hilltophoods.com sadly my contract with these guy recently ended.. | 16:11 |
| cak3 | I haven't made a gtk theme before but im very willing and able :) | 16:14 |
| robsta | cak3: hilltophoods is awesome | 16:14 |
| robsta | polybonk is slick too | 16:15 |
| cak3 | cheers | 16:16 |
| cak3 | is it possible to have proper transparency without compiz with the css engine? | 16:19 |
| robsta | cak3: please elaborate | 16:20 |
| robsta | (though probably not) | 16:21 |
| aantn | cak3: "proper" transparency? | 16:21 |
| cak3 | for example if i made transparent png background for a window and then moved the window around would it be a static or would i be able to see through the window and everything behind it | 16:24 |
| cak3 | sorry if that doesn't make sense | 16:24 |
| robsta | cak3: you need compiz, and gtk needs to be fixed too | 16:24 |
| cak3 | fair enough | 16:24 |
| robsta | (people are working on it) | 16:25 |
| cak3 | cool | 16:25 |
| thorwil | cak3: hilltophoods looks very stylish. i'm looking forward to see theming work from you :) | 16:50 |
| cak3 | thanks thorwil | 16:51 |
| robsta | cya | 17:15 |
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