[04:47] <R4z3r> hello all
[04:52] <R4z3r> I would like to help create artwork for Ubuntu or other ubuntu based distros
[04:53] <R4z3r> hello aantn
[04:59] <aantn> hey R4z3r
[04:59] <R4z3r> how are you today?
[05:03] <R4z3r> I would like to help with any art related projects :-)
[05:03] <R4z3r> I have experience with many graphic apps
[05:03] <aantn> R4z3r: I'm not the person to ask :(
[05:03] <R4z3r> as well as some knowledge of code
[05:03] <R4z3r> not a problem aantn
[05:03] <aantn> R4z3r: perhaps try sending an email to the mailing list
[05:03] <R4z3r> kinda a blanket statement
[05:04] <aantn> R4z3r: or just pick out one that interests you
[05:05] <R4z3r> where would I "pick out one"? looking around the site and not finding much in terms of helping me : /
[05:05] <R4z3r> sorry..
[05:05] <R4z3r> cause I got to here
[05:05] <R4z3r> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=show&redirect=ArtworkTeam
[05:06] <ziroday> R4z3r: if you look in the topic, project kyudo is very much in early stages but gives you an idea on what ubuntu is trying to look like
[05:06] <ziroday> R4z3r: there is also the breathe iconset which you can help in by submitting icons
[05:07] <R4z3r> ah :-)
[05:07] <R4z3r> the Project Kyudo seems like fun actually :-)
[05:07] <ziroday> R4z3r: finally, mostly it goes by you creating and submitting a draft of something (usually to the ML) and then people giving you ideas and/or offering to help out
[05:08] <ziroday> R4z3r: currently everything is a little bit quiet due to intrepid about to be released
[05:08] <R4z3r> ah ok :-)
[05:08] <R4z3r> understandable
[05:08] <R4z3r> I'm just moving over to Ubuntu/Vista from Gentoo/Vista
[05:09] <R4z3r> so didn't realize that Intrepid was just to be released
[05:09] <ziroday> R4z3r: and here is the main wikipage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork which you should probably have a good read through
[05:10] <R4z3r> understandable
[05:10] <R4z3r> thank you for the help ziroday, it's appreciated =]
[05:10] <ziroday> R4z3r: haha no problem :)
[05:11] <ziroday> R4z3r: finally you might want to have a glance through the intrepid submission pages to give you an idea of what people have done as well as get the community-themes package from kwwii's ppa to get a look at 3 themes that were really really good
[05:12] <R4z3r> yeah, was thinking that. trying to figure out the formats they'd like
[05:13] <R4z3r> as I can create some that may be asthetically nicer in Photoshop than in some of the recommended programs, so looking into all that as well
[05:13] <ziroday> R4z3r: mmm, I think the current intrepid wallpaper was made in photoshop, but really not certain
[05:14] <R4z3r> true, the icons they'd like in SVG :/
[05:17] <R4z3r> ah Illustrator can do it :-)
[05:19] <R4z3r> I'll be back later :-) gunna mess around with some ideas :-)
[05:20] <R4z3r> thanks again!
[12:48] <xivulon> thorwil: hi, any progress?
[12:59] <thorwil> xivulon: a bit, yesterday. today i finally need to concentrate on this :}
[13:02] <robsta> hi
[13:03] <robsta> i've been wondering if you have heard of the css engine for gtk, and whether anyone here would be interested in doing a kickass theme for my next release
[13:06] <thorwil> robsta: yes, i'm very interested in the css engine. not sure if how and when to do a theme with it, though
[13:06] <thorwil> robsta: you might yield more responses by posting to the ubuntu-art list
[13:07] <robsta> hmm
[13:07] <robsta> i'd rather keep it low noise and face-to-face for now
[13:08] <robsta> there's no documentation and not much testing
[13:08] <thorwil> robsta: ok. i am interested, but don't have the time right now. maybe you can catch rsc when he shows up here, he's the man behind dust
[13:09] <robsta> ok
[13:09] <robsta> anyway, the upcoming 0.3 should be the first with desktop-wide support (not just widget factory)
[13:10] <robsta> so it's starting to be more interested for themers
[13:10] <thorwil> robsta: i mean to recall that there are some changes going on to make the css targets more designer friendly? will that be in 0.3?
[13:10] <robsta> *interesting
[13:10] <robsta> thorwil, yes
[13:11] <thorwil> robsta: long term, do you expect performance similar to clearlooks, or are there issues there?
[13:11] <robsta> currently it's very much tied to how gtk draws things, but i'm working on making it more intuitive
[13:11] <andreasn> robsta: whups, time to blog for me :)
[13:12] <robsta> thorwil: the gnome theming blog has some info
[13:13] <robsta> andreasn: yeah, well, if you did your (blogging) job properly i didn't have to be on the knocker myself :P
[13:13]  * andreasn pretends it's raining
[13:14] <thorwil> robsta: what's the point in repeating "gtk" everywhere?
[13:14] <robsta> thorwil: you mean in the css classes?
[13:14] <thorwil> yes
[13:15] <robsta> well, you can have an arbitrary number of classes for each node, e.g. <div class="foo bar baz">...</div>
[13:15] <robsta> so we're setting the gtk-related ones apart
[13:15] <thorwil> ah, ok
[13:43] <robsta> andreasn: well, if you don't blog it that's good too, because the post is outdated
[13:43] <andreasn> in what way is it outdated?
[13:44] <robsta> andreasn: just a few minor changes regarding the css classes
[13:44] <andreasn> well, I still want to draw more eyes to the project
[13:45] <robsta> at this point it doesn't matter so much, as long as i find a designer with time :)
[13:46] <robsta> anyway, i want to start using the css engine myself before 0.3, so if bad comes to worse i'll do a theme myself
[13:46] <robsta> maybe finish gilouche or so
[14:30] <robsta> thorwil: to answer your question about performance, it really depends on the theme i'd say
[14:31] <robsta> if you just use solid fills and css-native borders you'll get faster rendering than with all-svg
[14:31] <thorwil> robsta: i wasn't even aware of svg support
[14:32] <robsta> also the whole thing is not optimised at all at this point, there are more pressing needs
[14:32] <robsta> thorwil: you can use png and svg interchangeably
[14:33] <robsta> (only the latter ones will scale smoothly)
[14:34] <thorwil> robsta: can you change colors of svg parts via css?
[14:34] <robsta> thorwil: there's also a patch in the works so you can design all svg parts in a single svg file and reference like "background-image: url('theme.svg#foo')"
[14:36] <robsta> thorwil: recoloring doesn't work, i'm more interested in standards-compliant css features at this point
[14:36] <robsta> you can use gtk system colours though
[14:36] <thorwil> hi aantn. i a had a look at your presentation slides yesterday. very well done!
[14:38] <aantn> thorwil: thank you
[14:40] <thorwil> robsta: this all sounds very good. i will have to make some time to play with it in the coming month :)
[14:47] <robsta> thorwil: let me finish 0.3
[15:39] <cak3> robsta, I was just reading the irc logs noticed you were talking about a css engine for gtk which I'm very interested in. where can I get it? :D
[15:40] <robsta> cak3: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk-css-engine/0.2/
[15:40] <robsta> cak3: but you should read the release notes, they say it's experimental, far from ready for public consumption, and will try to sell drugs to your kids
[15:42] <cak3> haha im ok with that, this is something I've been looking for a long time
[15:43] <robsta> cak3: seriously, i'm just changing the css vocabulary, so 0.2 is pretty outdated
[15:44] <cak3> oh.. when is the next version expected?
[15:44] <robsta> should be a matter of weeks
[15:44] <robsta> cak3: as said, i'm looking for designer(s)
[15:45] <cak3> im very interested in making a theme using css
[15:46] <robsta> cak3: awesome, let's stay in touch
[15:46] <cak3> sure, is there much point attempting to make a theme with 0.2?
[15:46] <robsta> cak3: i'm especially interested in themes that look nothing like current themes, e.g. http://exchange.enlightenment.org/files/theme/154/screenshot.png
[15:47] <robsta> cak3: not really, pretty much everything changes, gets better and tastier, and more attractive to $other_gender
[15:48] <cak3> haha
[15:49] <cak3> well the reason why I've been wanting a css engine is to do something completely different
[15:50] <robsta> cak3: so if you are serious about this you'd try to seduce me with a mockup first and i'd try to get a rough version up so you see how stuff works
[15:50] <cak3> sure
[15:57] <robsta> cak3: so you have a theme (in the more abstract sense) in mind?
[16:02] <cak3> not yet, I've only just found out a working css engine existed 10mins ago lol.. I've always put off making a theme till css was supported.. I can better describe my ideas with a mockup
[16:03] <robsta> cak3: are you the designer of "Dust"?
[16:05] <cak3> nah, is the designer of Dust a mystery or something?
[16:06] <robsta> oh, mixup, that'd be "rsc"
[16:07] <robsta> cak3: where can i find your portfolio?
[16:11] <cak3> I haven't got one, never have the time till recently.. I can only show you bits of my work, http://www.polybonk.com (co owner) pretty much everything on that site apart from the music was made by me.. umm http://www.hilltophoods.com sadly my contract with these guy recently ended..
[16:14] <cak3> I haven't made a gtk theme before but im very willing and able :)
[16:14] <robsta> cak3: hilltophoods is awesome
[16:15] <robsta> polybonk is slick too
[16:16] <cak3> cheers
[16:19] <cak3> is it possible to have proper transparency without compiz with the css engine?
[16:20] <robsta> cak3: please elaborate
[16:21] <robsta> (though probably not)
[16:21] <aantn> cak3: "proper" transparency?
[16:24] <cak3> for example if i made transparent png background for a window and then moved the window around would it be a static or would i be able to see through the window and everything behind it
[16:24] <cak3> sorry if that doesn't make sense
[16:24] <robsta> cak3: you need compiz, and gtk needs to be fixed too
[16:24] <cak3> fair enough
[16:25] <robsta> (people are working on it)
[16:25] <cak3> cool
[16:50] <thorwil> cak3: hilltophoods looks very stylish. i'm looking forward to see theming work from you :)
[16:51] <cak3> thanks thorwil
[17:15] <robsta> cya