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| asac | lool: ogra: are there images i can test? will you release in sync with the rest of us? | 13:33 |
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| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current/ | 13:33 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ | 13:33 |
| ogra | yes, we will release with the rest | 13:33 |
| ogra | colin is just fixing up the last bits of the html stuff on these pages | 13:34 |
| asac | ogra: cool. i will test those two today then ;) | 13:37 |
| lool | asac: BTW, images are listed in the ISO tracker; if you test them, it's nice to add an entry there :) | 13:37 |
| asac | lool: yeah | 13:37 |
| asac | lool: i didnt do that for the RC image ... my fault. | 13:38 |
| lool | NP | 13:38 |
| asac | i definitly knew, but i gave enough feedback here to give you confidence that those worked imo ;) | 13:38 |
| ogra | note that the download links dont work on the iso tracker | 13:38 |
| asac | this time i will rubberstamp your images properly | 13:38 |
| ogra | though you know where to get the latest images :) | 13:38 |
| asac | ogra: good way to prevent volunteer testing ;) | 13:38 |
| ogra | heh | 13:38 |
| ogra | well, the drupal code cant handle .img files ... and stgraber has no time to fix that before release | 13:39 |
| ogra | (i was told) | 13:39 |
| persia | It's not exactly intentional : it's fallout from the name change : we should have spoken with the release team a few months earlier :) | 13:39 |
| ogra | no, its not the name change ... it was there before | 13:40 |
| asac | you could still add the right link to the iso tracker description for your image i guess | 13:40 |
| ogra | its the filetype | 13:40 |
| persia | ogra, Didn't it work for RC because of some hard-coding somewhere? | 13:40 |
| ogra | not afaik | 13:40 |
| asac | launchpad is sooo damn slow with 80% timeouts | 13:40 |
| asac | and we didnt even release yet :( | 13:40 |
| lool | asac: I just crashed in flashplayer while doing iso testing, is it worth reporting? | 13:40 |
| lool | I'd guess not | 13:40 |
| asac | obviously not ;) | 13:40 |
| asac | lool: what you should do is a) install gnash + install swfdec | 13:41 |
| asac | and test the plugin switcher | 13:41 |
| lool | asac: One thing though: when visiting youtube, I'm not offered to install flash | 13:41 |
| asac | lool: thats because youtube uses the flash detection kit ... which prevents firefox from knowing that flash is actually on that site | 13:41 |
| asac | lool: google video doesnt do this stupid thing | 13:41 |
| asac | http://video.google.com/ | 13:41 |
| lool | asac: Yeah, I went there immediately after that :) | 13:42 |
| asac | so that should work better for testing htat | 13:42 |
| lool | that offered the flash install correctly | 13:42 |
| asac | lool: i have a hack to detect the flash detection kit | 13:42 |
| lool | (didn't pick gnash as I wanted to use the defaults) | 13:42 |
| lool | asac: It's an infinite race :-/ | 13:42 |
| asac | hopefully i can hook this up properly for next release | 13:42 |
| asac | lool: defaults? | 13:42 |
| lool | It makes sense to detect flash if you have something else to offer | 13:42 |
| asac | lool: go to a flash site | 13:42 |
| asac | lool: there you see this plugin thing in the statusbar | 13:42 |
| lool | asac: I mean, I picked the adobe flash instead of gnash/swfdec | 13:43 |
| asac | or in the tools -> manage Content-Plugins | 13:43 |
| asac | lool: you can install more that way ;) | 13:43 |
| asac | and then you can switch on the fly | 13:43 |
| lool | asac: I'm just explaining why I picked adobe flash, that's all ;) | 13:43 |
| asac | yeah | 13:43 |
| persia | asac, Don't use edge, and LP isn't so slow today. | 13:54 |
| * lool lols at Xorg still restarting whne clicking battery applet | 13:55 | |
| asac | persia: yay. just saw that mail ;) | 14:07 |
| lool | asac: xulrunner-1.9: version 1.9.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3+ume1 in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu hardy main <= 1.9.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main | 15:00 |
| lool | 1.9.0.1...8.04.3+ume1 versus 1.9.0.3...8.04.1 | 15:01 |
| lool | asac: Looks like we want .3 in the ubuntu-mobile ppa? | 15:01 |
| asac | lool: *sigh ... i think so | 15:14 |
| asac | actually i thought that the ppa isn't used anymore? | 15:14 |
| lool | asac: It's still used for hardy | 15:16 |
| lool | I'm pushing the new langpacks frmo proposed | 15:18 |
| asac | lool: have you tested them? | 15:21 |
| asac | lool: better dont push those | 15:22 |
| asac | lool: take the ones from langpack PPA | 15:22 |
| lool | asac: Ah | 15:22 |
| asac | i think the -proposed ones are currently broken | 15:22 |
| lool | I pushed them to ppa at this point, not to rachive | 15:22 |
| lool | (easier to test in this way) | 15:22 |
| asac | (unless arne coped the ppa to -proposed in the last few days) | 15:22 |
| asac | copied | 15:22 |
| lool | The proposed ones are from 29 / 09 | 15:22 |
| lool | asac: What ppa you say? | 15:23 |
| asac | yeah ... broken | 15:23 |
| lool | https://edge.launchpad.net/~langpack/+archive -> empty | 15:23 |
| asac | i think https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive | 15:23 |
| lool | asac: These work? | 15:23 |
| lool | asac: How do you check? | 15:24 |
| lool | 20081020 | 15:25 |
| lool | asac: moo? | 15:34 |
| ogra | meow | 15:35 |
| asac | lool: i didnt check. arne did | 15:36 |
| asac | ;) | 15:36 |
| lool | Ok | 15:36 |
| asac | lool: but only firefox/xulruner ... better ask him | 15:36 |
| asac | lool: actually ... do we need new langpacks? | 15:36 |
| asac | lool: look in install.rdf ... if there is a open maxVersion, then you dont need to update langpacks | 15:36 |
| lool | asac: I want to update the langpacks because we're lagging | 15:37 |
| asac | lool: lagging? | 15:38 |
| lool | asac: As in hardy-updates as newer ones than we do | 15:38 |
| asac | lool: ok. cant you take the hardy-updates ones then? | 15:38 |
| lool | I could, I wanted to take the proposed one to skip an update next time :-P | 15:39 |
| asac | lool: yeah. better use -updates then until dust has cleared up. | 15:39 |
| asac | or get a firm ack from arne | 15:39 |
| lool | Oh, uh, I had pushed the ubuntu-langpack ones | 15:39 |
| asac | lool: did you add the translations for midbrowser? | 15:40 |
| asac | do you remember? | 15:40 |
| asac | i think those were in the ppa too | 15:40 |
| asac | but maybe we shipped them in -gnome? | 15:40 |
| lool | asac: Yeah, I do remember and I did add them | 15:40 |
| lool | We ship them in gnome yes | 15:40 |
| asac | ok. | 15:40 |
| lool | cp language-pack-gnome-${lang}*um*/data/mozilla.tar.gz language-pack-gnome-${lang}-${VERSION}/data | 15:41 |
| asac | well. i doubt that there can be much breakage. | 15:42 |
| * lool watches https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending | 15:42 | |
| lool | asac: I'm going ot test them to some extent anyway | 15:42 |
| asac | maybe check back with arne if he is aware of issues with current ppa | 15:42 |
| asac | lool: right. | 15:42 |
| lool | asac: Yup, I poked Arne already | 15:42 |
| lool | Not quite sure in what TZ he is | 15:42 |
| asac | taiwan ;) | 15:42 |
| asac | +8 or something | 15:43 |
| lool | I should have said, I know he's in taiwan, but not really when he's around :) | 15:43 |
| asac | hehe | 15:43 |
| lool | asac: You think you could merge xulrunner / security with the hardy ume one today? | 15:44 |
| * lool would love to clear the mobile report | 15:44 | |
| asac | lool: should be quite easy i guess | 15:47 |
| asac | let me check if i have the branches | 15:49 |
| asac | lool: ok i merged and pushed | 15:51 |
| asac | to bzr | 15:51 |
| asac | is there a place i can upload to test or do i need to do a local build? | 15:51 |
| lool | asac: You can upload to the ubuntu-mobile ppa | 15:52 |
| lool | We use it as staging area | 15:52 |
| asac | lool: k | 15:52 |
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| lool | asac: langpacks fine in my testing; arne answered to test them so I did | 16:48 |
| * lool promoted new langpacks and everything else except xulrunner-1.9 | 16:55 | |
| ogra | lool, only 2.5 years to go and hardy will be obsolete :) | 16:58 |
| lool | ogra: ume hardy will be obsolete in 9.04 though | 16:58 |
| lool | s/in/with | 16:58 |
| ogra | oh, cool ! | 16:58 |
| lool | So actually .5 years to go :) | 16:59 |
| ogra | yeah | 16:59 |
| ogra | he new infrastructure makes everything so much easier | 16:59 |
| persia | Hrm? Only 12-months post release support? I thought it was 18 (although I like 12 better : MID 8.04 is a special beast) | 17:00 |
| asac | lool: uploading to ubuntu-mobile/ppa | 17:02 |
| asac | xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1+ume1_source.changes: done. | 17:08 |
| asac | Successfully uploaded packages. | 17:08 |
| asac | lool: ^^ | 17:09 |
| ogra | persia, any idea about "debconf (developer): --> 10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist" ? | 17:11 |
| persia | That just means someone asked debconf for the value of debian-installer/keymap, and debconf complained it wasn't there. | 17:12 |
| persia | I'm looking to see if I can understand why. If I don't find something in the next 18 minutes or so, I'm planing to sleep on it. | 17:12 |
| ogra | i dont find the issue itself critical ... but that ubiquity crashes completely in the end is critical | 17:14 |
| persia | Well, ubiquity does that a lot : it's not very defensively coded. | 17:17 |
| persia | Essentially, it expects to have enough information to make d-i work, and expects d-i not to break. | 17:17 |
| persia | ogra, Does /var/log/syslog for the debug crash match that without debug? | 17:20 |
| ogra | you mean wrt cannot stat `/etc/default/console-setup' ? | 17:22 |
| ogra | yes, it does | 17:22 |
| * ogra grins about "Die Uhr wich in den vergangenen 48299591 Sekunden trotz eines Driftfaktors von 0.000000 Sekunden/Tag um 0.0 Sekunden ab." | 17:22 | |
| persia | Rather, I mean is it roughly the same in all respects? I'm comparing logs from two different installs, and just want to make sure that what I'm doing has a point :) | 17:23 |
| ogra | so it warns me that the clock was off by 0.000000 secs :) | 17:23 |
| ogra | i'll attach the second syslog as well | 17:23 |
| persia | Thanks. I have a suspicion it will have a few extra lines about what console-setup is doing | 17:24 |
| ogra | i love the precision of that message ... telling me absolutely nothing :) | 17:24 |
| ogra | +while | 17:24 |
| ogra | attached | 17:24 |
| ogra | i think they are absolutely identical | 17:25 |
| ogra | sadly diff doesnt help with the timestamps | 17:26 |
| persia | No, the latter one has an extra 30Kb of debug information :) | 17:26 |
| persia | ogra, Even with that, I'm stumped though. I'd be curious if it was MID-specific, but will have to look at it in the morning. | 17:38 |
| ogra | it doesnt happen on mobile^Wumpc | 17:39 |
| ogra | i didnt that install variant several times there | 17:39 |
| lool | asac: thanks!! | 18:39 |
| lool | asac: You rock | 18:39 |
| lool | asac: New xulrunner works fine; promoting | 19:59 |
| asac | lool: thanks | 21:29 |
| NCommander | What are the miminual requirements of the hardware Ubuntu Mobile will run on? | 21:52 |
| ogra | NCommander, -umpc (formerly -mobile) is a stardard ubuntu-desktop with different desktop layout, theme and focus on touchscreen devices with 7-9" ... the normal ubuntu desktop requirements apply | 22:23 |
| NCommander | ogra, thats 256MB RAM, roughly 500Mhz processor? | 22:24 |
| ogra | so 256M ram, 3-4G diskspace, 500MHz CPU | 22:24 |
| NCommander | whats the smallest varient that will run? | 22:25 |
| ogra | ubuntu-mid which s focussing the smaller device class needs a lot less ... i guess 233MHz and 128M should be fine with that | 22:25 |
| NCommander | very cool | 22:26 |
| NCommander | mid is lpia based, right? | 22:26 |
| ogra | right | 22:26 |
| ogra | and uses a real mobile desktop based on hildon | 22:26 |
| NCommander | Hilldon is the Nokia library that maps the GUI to smaller screens (and also does fun stuff like mapping key inputs) | 22:27 |
| ogra | well, not actually nokia, but the maemo community wrote it for that, yes | 22:28 |
| ogra | nokia just uses the opensource work from the community to build their os on top | 22:28 |
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