[13:33] <asac> lool: ogra: are there images i can test? will you release in sync with the rest of us?
[13:33] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current/
[13:33] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/
[13:33] <ogra> yes, we will release with the rest 
[13:34] <ogra> colin is just fixing up the last bits of the html stuff on these pages
[13:37] <asac> ogra: cool. i will test those two today then ;)
[13:37] <lool> asac: BTW, images are listed in the ISO tracker; if you test them, it's nice to add an entry there :)
[13:37] <asac> lool: yeah
[13:38] <asac> lool: i didnt do that for the RC image ... my fault.
[13:38] <lool> NP
[13:38] <asac> i definitly knew, but i gave enough feedback here to give you confidence that those worked imo ;)
[13:38] <ogra> note that the download links dont work on the iso tracker
[13:38] <asac> this time i will rubberstamp your images properly
[13:38] <ogra> though you know where to get the latest images :)
[13:38] <asac> ogra: good way to prevent volunteer testing ;)
[13:38] <ogra> heh
[13:39] <ogra> well, the drupal code cant handle .img files ... and stgraber has no time to fix that before release
[13:39] <ogra> (i was told)
[13:39] <persia> It's not exactly intentional : it's fallout from the name change : we should have spoken with the release team a few months earlier :)
[13:40] <ogra> no, its not the name change ... it was there before 
[13:40] <asac> you could still add the right link to the iso tracker description for your image i guess
[13:40] <ogra> its the filetype
[13:40] <persia> ogra, Didn't it work for RC because of some hard-coding somewhere?
[13:40] <ogra> not afaik
[13:40] <asac> launchpad is sooo damn slow with 80% timeouts
[13:40] <asac> and we didnt even release yet :(
[13:40] <lool> asac: I just crashed in flashplayer while doing iso testing, is it worth reporting?
[13:40] <lool> I'd guess not
[13:40] <asac> obviously not ;)
[13:41] <asac> lool: what you should do is a) install gnash + install swfdec
[13:41] <asac> and test the plugin switcher
[13:41] <lool> asac: One thing though: when visiting youtube, I'm not offered to install flash
[13:41] <asac> lool: thats because youtube uses the flash detection kit ... which prevents firefox from knowing that flash is actually on that site
[13:41] <asac> lool: google video doesnt do this stupid thing
[13:41] <asac> http://video.google.com/
[13:42] <lool> asac: Yeah, I went there immediately after that :)
[13:42] <asac> so that should work better for testing htat
[13:42] <lool> that offered the flash install correctly
[13:42] <asac> lool: i have a hack to detect the flash detection kit
[13:42] <lool> (didn't pick gnash as I wanted to use the defaults)
[13:42] <lool> asac: It's an infinite race  :-/
[13:42] <asac> hopefully i can hook this up properly for next release 
[13:42] <asac> lool: defaults?
[13:42] <lool> It makes sense to detect flash if you have something else to offer
[13:42] <asac> lool: go to a flash site
[13:42] <asac> lool: there you see this plugin thing in the statusbar
[13:43] <lool> asac: I mean, I picked the adobe flash instead of gnash/swfdec
[13:43] <asac> or in the tools -> manage Content-Plugins
[13:43] <asac> lool: you can install more that way ;)
[13:43] <asac> and then you can switch on the fly 
[13:43] <lool> asac: I'm just explaining why I picked adobe flash, that's all ;)
[13:43] <asac> yeah
[13:54] <persia> asac, Don't use edge, and LP isn't so slow today.
[13:55]  * lool lols at Xorg still restarting whne clicking battery applet
[14:07] <asac> persia: yay. just saw that mail ;)
[15:00] <lool> asac: xulrunner-1.9: version 1.9.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3+ume1 in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu hardy main <= 1.9.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main
[15:01] <lool> 1.9.0.1...8.04.3+ume1 versus 1.9.0.3...8.04.1
[15:01] <lool> asac: Looks like we want .3 in the ubuntu-mobile ppa?
[15:14] <asac> lool: *sigh ...  i think so
[15:14] <asac> actually i thought that the ppa isn't used anymore?
[15:16] <lool> asac: It's still used for hardy
[15:18] <lool> I'm pushing the new langpacks frmo proposed
[15:21] <asac> lool: have you tested them?
[15:22] <asac> lool: better dont push those
[15:22] <asac> lool: take the ones from langpack PPA
[15:22] <lool> asac: Ah
[15:22] <asac> i think the -proposed ones are currently broken
[15:22] <lool> I pushed them to ppa at this point, not to rachive
[15:22] <lool> (easier to test in this way)
[15:22] <asac> (unless arne coped the ppa to -proposed in the last few days)
[15:22] <asac> copied
[15:22] <lool> The proposed ones are from 29 / 09
[15:23] <lool> asac: What ppa you say?
[15:23] <asac> yeah ... broken
[15:23] <lool> https://edge.launchpad.net/~langpack/+archive -> empty
[15:23] <asac> i think https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive
[15:23] <lool> asac: These work?
[15:24] <lool> asac: How do you check?
[15:25] <lool> 20081020
[15:34] <lool> asac: moo?
[15:35] <ogra> meow
[15:36] <asac> lool: i didnt check. arne did
[15:36] <asac> ;)
[15:36] <lool> Ok
[15:36] <asac> lool: but only firefox/xulruner ... better ask him
[15:36] <asac> lool: actually ... do we need new langpacks?
[15:36] <asac> lool: look in install.rdf ... if there is a open maxVersion, then you dont need to update langpacks
[15:37] <lool> asac: I want to update the langpacks because we're lagging
[15:38] <asac> lool: lagging?
[15:38] <lool> asac: As in hardy-updates as newer ones than we do
[15:38] <asac> lool: ok. cant you take the hardy-updates ones then?
[15:39] <lool> I could, I wanted to take the proposed one to skip an update next time  :-P
[15:39] <asac> lool: yeah. better use -updates then until dust has cleared up.
[15:39] <asac> or get a firm ack from arne
[15:39] <lool> Oh, uh, I had pushed the ubuntu-langpack ones
[15:40] <asac> lool: did you add the translations for midbrowser?
[15:40] <asac> do you remember?
[15:40] <asac> i think those were in the ppa too
[15:40] <asac> but maybe we shipped them in -gnome?
[15:40] <lool> asac: Yeah, I do remember and I did add them
[15:40] <lool> We ship them in gnome yes
[15:40] <asac> ok.
[15:41] <lool> cp language-pack-gnome-${lang}*um*/data/mozilla.tar.gz language-pack-gnome-${lang}-${VERSION}/data
[15:42] <asac> well. i doubt that there can be much breakage. 
[15:42]  * lool watches https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[15:42] <lool> asac: I'm going ot test them to some extent anyway
[15:42] <asac> maybe check back with arne if he is aware of issues with current ppa
[15:42] <asac> lool: right.
[15:42] <lool> asac: Yup, I poked Arne already
[15:42] <lool> Not quite sure in what TZ he is
[15:42] <asac> taiwan ;)
[15:43] <asac> +8 or something
[15:43] <lool> I should have said, I know he's in taiwan, but not really when he's around :)
[15:43] <asac> hehe
[15:44] <lool> asac: You think you could merge xulrunner / security with the hardy ume one today?
[15:44]  * lool would love to clear the mobile report
[15:47] <asac> lool: should be quite easy i guess
[15:49] <asac> let me check if i have the branches
[15:51] <asac> lool: ok i merged and pushed
[15:51] <asac> to bzr
[15:51] <asac> is there a place i can upload to test or do i need to do a local build?
[15:52] <lool> asac: You can upload to the ubuntu-mobile ppa
[15:52] <lool> We use it as staging area
[15:52] <asac> lool: k
[16:48] <lool> asac: langpacks fine in my testing; arne answered to test them so I did
[16:55]  * lool promoted new langpacks and everything else except xulrunner-1.9
[16:58] <ogra> lool, only 2.5 years to go and hardy will be obsolete :)
[16:58] <lool> ogra: ume hardy will be obsolete in 9.04 though
[16:58] <lool> s/in/with
[16:58] <ogra> oh, cool !
[16:59] <lool> So actually .5 years to go :)
[16:59] <ogra> yeah
[16:59] <ogra> he new infrastructure makes everything so much easier 
[17:00] <persia> Hrm?  Only 12-months post release support?  I thought it was 18 (although I like 12 better : MID 8.04 is a special beast)
[17:02] <asac> lool: uploading to ubuntu-mobile/ppa
[17:08] <asac>   xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1+ume1_source.changes: done.
[17:08] <asac> Successfully uploaded packages.
[17:09] <asac> lool: ^^
[17:11] <ogra> persia, any idea about "debconf (developer): --> 10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist" ?
[17:12] <persia> That just means someone asked debconf for the value of debian-installer/keymap, and debconf complained it wasn't there.
[17:12] <persia> I'm looking to see if I can understand why.  If I don't find something in the next 18 minutes or so, I'm planing to sleep on it.
[17:14] <ogra> i dont find the issue itself critical ... but that ubiquity crashes completely in the end is critical
[17:17] <persia> Well, ubiquity does that a lot : it's not very defensively coded.
[17:17] <persia> Essentially, it expects to have enough information to make d-i work, and expects d-i not to break.
[17:20] <persia> ogra, Does /var/log/syslog for the debug crash match that without debug?
[17:22] <ogra> you mean wrt cannot stat `/etc/default/console-setup' ? 
[17:22] <ogra> yes, it does
[17:22]  * ogra grins about "Die Uhr wich in den vergangenen 48299591 Sekunden trotz eines Driftfaktors von 0.000000 Sekunden/Tag um 0.0 Sekunden ab."
[17:23] <persia> Rather, I mean is it roughly the same in all respects?  I'm comparing logs from two different installs, and just want to make sure that what I'm doing has a point :)
[17:23] <ogra> so it warns me that the clock was off by 0.000000 secs :)
[17:23] <ogra> i'll attach the second syslog as well
[17:24] <persia> Thanks.  I have a suspicion it will have a few extra lines about what console-setup is doing
[17:24] <ogra> i love the precision of that message ... telling me absolutely nothing :)
[17:24] <ogra> +while
[17:24] <ogra> attached
[17:25] <ogra> i think they are absolutely identical
[17:26] <ogra> sadly diff doesnt help with the timestamps
[17:26] <persia> No, the latter one has an extra 30Kb of debug information :)
[17:38] <persia> ogra, Even with that, I'm stumped though.  I'd be curious if it was MID-specific, but will have to look at it in the morning.
[17:39] <ogra> it doesnt happen on mobile^Wumpc
[17:39] <ogra> i didnt that install variant several times there
[18:39] <lool> asac: thanks!!
[18:39] <lool> asac: You rock
[19:59] <lool> asac: New xulrunner works fine; promoting
[21:29] <asac> lool: thanks
[21:52] <NCommander> What are the miminual requirements of the hardware Ubuntu Mobile will run on?
[22:23] <ogra> NCommander, -umpc (formerly -mobile) is a stardard ubuntu-desktop with different desktop layout, theme and focus on touchscreen devices with 7-9" ... the normal ubuntu desktop requirements apply
[22:24] <NCommander> ogra, thats 256MB RAM, roughly 500Mhz processor?
[22:24] <ogra> so 256M ram, 3-4G diskspace, 500MHz CPU
[22:25] <NCommander> whats the smallest varient that will run?
[22:25] <ogra> ubuntu-mid which s focussing the smaller device class needs a lot less ... i guess 233MHz and 128M should be fine with that
[22:26] <NCommander> very cool
[22:26] <NCommander> mid is lpia based, right?
[22:26] <ogra> right
[22:26] <ogra> and uses a real mobile desktop based on hildon
[22:27] <NCommander> Hilldon is the Nokia library that maps the GUI to smaller screens (and also does fun stuff like mapping key inputs)
[22:28] <ogra> well, not actually nokia, but the maemo community wrote it for that, yes
[22:28] <ogra> nokia just uses the opensource work from the community to build their os on top