[00:23] <Myrtti> woooooo sleepybyes
[00:25] <mneptok> nini!
[00:28] <LjL> nalioth: #k too please?
[01:48] <nalioth> ubottu is returning
[02:04] <mneptok> as was foretold in Leviticus
[03:15] <tritium> mneptok: we miss you in #ubuntu-us-nm
[03:15] <mneptok> oh! sorry, not in my auto-join
[03:15] <tritium> ;)
[03:16] <genii> New Mexico?
[03:16] <tritium> Yes.
[03:16] <genii> Ah
[03:17] <tritium> You're always welcome to drop in and say hello.
[03:18] <mneptok> it's like Old Mexico, but newer.
[03:18] <mneptok> or ... something.
[03:18] <Pici> Low in saturated fat?
[03:18] <mneptok> not just good, but good for you.
[03:18] <nalioth> tritium: one would have thought your Indians had finally succeeded in getting rid of the malevolent spirit . .
[03:18]  * nalioth runs
[03:19]  * tritium ponders the meaning of that cryptic phrase
[03:20] <nalioth> tritium: you're inviting the 'malevolent spirit' back
[03:20] <nalioth> nothing cryptic about it - mneptok knows who he is
[03:20] <tritium> aww, poor mneptok
[03:21] <tritium> nalioth: one of these days you'll have to find your way over here.  We're just one state away.
[03:21] <tritium> Pici: no, the food is rather high in both fat and cholesterol.
[03:22]  * genii wonders if #ubuntu-ca-on exists
[03:22] <tritium> genii: You're in Ontario?
[03:22] <genii> tritium: Yuppers
[03:22] <mneptok> genii: close to QC?
[03:23] <genii> Darn, I'm the only one in that channel :/
[03:23] <nalioth> tritium: yeah, wouldn't be a problem if we were Yankees
[03:23] <tritium> One of my old college roommates is from Windsor.
[03:23] <nalioth> unfortunately, there's 1000 miles 'tween us  :P
[03:23] <genii> mneptok: Nah, in Toronto
[03:23] <tritium> nalioth: indeed
[03:23] <mneptok> genii: ach so. was wondering if you might attend the Montreal release party
[03:23] <genii> mneptok: ?On Halloween
[03:24] <mneptok> genii: no, Thursday @ 1800
[03:25] <genii> mneptok: It would be impossible, I finish work at 1700 and the drive is much longer than anhour from Toronto to Montreal
[03:25] <mneptok> yes it is
[03:25] <mneptok> i'd say fly, but Air Canada is prolly slower than driving
[03:26] <genii> Hehe, yeah
[03:26] <mneptok> and would charge you for a seat cushion, breathable air, and toilet paper
[03:26] <genii> And seatbelt
[03:26] <mneptok> (worst airlaine *evar*)
[03:26] <mneptok> -a
[03:26] <genii> I go WestJet when possible
[03:26] <tritium> I'm trying to remember the coffee chain up there in Ontario.  They thought they were lacing the coffee with nicotine to get the patrons addicted...
[03:27] <genii> StarBucks ?
[03:27] <tritium> No.
[03:27] <mneptok> Tim Horton's?
[03:27] <tritium> Yes!
[03:27]  * genii starts craving a Tim Horton's coffee
[03:27] <tritium> It must be the nicotine!
[03:27] <genii> It's just good coffee :)
[03:28] <tritium> I know :)
[03:28] <mneptok> if you want *real* culture shock, when i was in Tokyo i saw a Krispy Kreme
[03:29] <mneptok> it just seemed so ... wrong.
[03:29] <mneptok> i wonder if they serve raw eel filled glazed donuts ....
[03:29] <jrib> mm
[03:29] <genii> Bleh
[03:30] <genii> mneptok: So you're from NM living in QC now?
[03:33] <nalioth> genii: he's from the 3d ring of Hades, actually ( don't let him fool you ).
[03:34] <genii> nalioth: Thanks for the heads-up
[03:35] <tritium> genii: he came here to visit, checking out the area as a possible place to relocate
[03:36] <Jordan_U> Probable troll in #ubuntu, "<gobuntu> is there anybody knows about LUNIX?"
[03:36] <genii> No, lunix exists
[03:37] <genii> It is a small *nix for C64 platform however and not related much to *buntus
[03:37] <mneptok> genii: no, from east coast US and now in QC via 6 years in Portland, OR
[03:38] <Jordan_U> Ah, I had heard "lunix" in a joke mocking linux
[03:38] <genii> Jordan_U: Well, maybe is a troll :) 
[03:40] <genii> mneptok: I'm mostly an Ontario boy, travelled quite a lot in the US late 80s but been here in Toronto now since 91
[03:40] <mneptok> genii: CT, NY, DC, OR etc etc
[03:41] <genii> Connecticut is nice
[03:41] <mneptok> was basically raised there
[03:41] <mneptok> (Hartford suburbs)
[03:41] <genii> Cool
[03:41] <mneptok> Hartford is not so nice. New Haven is far nicer.
[03:42] <mneptok> (lived there, too) :)
[03:42] <genii> I liked the country there
[03:43] <genii> Fairfield, etc
[03:44] <mneptok> 'spensive, though
[03:45] <genii> Yes. I guess sort of like being a tourist at Marthas Vineyard or so
[03:46] <mneptok> i'd rather be a guest of one of the super rich ;)
[03:48]  * mneptok closes up shop and heads home
[03:48] <genii> Wherever that is ;)
[03:51] <nalioth> genii: an enclave for the very rich on the coast of Massachusetts
[03:51] <nalioth> genii: you should get out more  :P
[03:51] <genii> hehe
[03:52] <genii> Getting out more would cut into my computer time...
[03:52] <tritium> Buenas noches, amigos!
[03:53] <nalioth> night, tritium 
[03:53] <tritium> Good night, nalioth.
[07:06] <Tm_T> SWAT___: hi
[07:06] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: something else we can help you with?
[07:10] <Flannel> !intrepid
[07:10] <Flannel> We ought to add something for -release-party, yes?
[07:35] <Flannel> AtomicSpark: Can we help you?
[07:35] <AtomicSpark> Please ignore my ubottu request, for I knows not what I do. :P
[07:35] <Flannel> Or, rather, How can we help you?
[07:35] <AtomicSpark> Flannel: I had to say sorry. :(
[07:35] <Flannel> AtomicSpark: sounds good.
[08:06] <Flannel> Anyone awake with -ot?
[08:16] <jussi01> elkbuntu: nalioth PriceChild LjL-Temp: can we just give Flannel ops in -ot? Please? 
[08:17] <jussi01> this happens too often...
[08:17] <Tm_T> jussi01: I had same problem few years ago
[08:17] <Tm_T> then I thought, meh, why bother anymore (;)
[08:24] <jussi01> Morning elkbuntu
[08:24] <elkbuntu> evening
[08:24] <jussi01> elkbuntu: any chance you will be in or near melbourne in the next few weeks?
[08:24]  * jussi01 is coming home!!!
[08:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: <3
[08:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: remember to hug people for me
[08:25] <jussi01> Ill be in melbourne area from about the 12thId say
[08:25] <jussi01> Tm_T: :D
[08:25] <Tm_T> and no I'm not joking
[08:25] <jussi01> Tm_T: if I get time so see any of them. 
[08:26] <Tm_T> thanks son
[08:27] <elkbuntu> jussi01, nope :(
[08:27]  * elkbuntu whimpers
[08:27] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[08:28] <Tm_T> so who's coming to see our new baby in a few weeks?
[08:28] <jussi01> Tm_T: wont be here :(
[08:28] <Tm_T> jussi01: chicken
[08:28] <Tm_T>  (;)
[08:28] <jussi01> heh
[08:31] <Myrtti> hello kids
[08:31]  * Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 
[08:35] <SWAT> Tm_T: hi, anything I can do for you?
[08:35] <Tm_T> SWAT: hug me?
[08:36] <juliux> hey SWAT 
[08:43] <SWAT> juliux: hey, long time no see
[08:44] <Tm_T> long time no jazz
[08:44] <SWAT> Tm_T: maybe next time ;)
[08:45] <Tm_T> bah
[08:50] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: ^
[08:51] <Flannel> jussi01: thanks for fixing that.
[08:51] <jussi01> Flannel: fixing what?
[08:52] <elkbuntu> it's a game of whack-a-mole
[08:52] <Flannel> jussi01: the echoing here bit?  Maybe you didn't fix it.
[08:52] <Flannel> but, someone did.
[08:52] <elkbuntu> shell providers ought to play with barbies instead.
[08:52] <jussi01> Flannel: ahh, yeah I chatted to stdin about it and he got it fixed
[08:52] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: FREE shell providers
[08:53] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, yes, that's what i meant
[08:53] <Tm_T> hug me?
[08:53] <elkbuntu> although, you can get irc shells for like $2, that's basically free.
[08:54] <jussi01> elkbuntu: not really if you have no way to pay, a la 13 year olds...
[08:54] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: you can get those free from friends too
[08:54] <elkbuntu> now i have pms
[08:54]  * Tm_T huggles elkbuntu 
[08:54]  * Tm_T is sad, noone is hugging 'em
[08:56]  * Gary hugs Tm_T 
[08:56]  * jussi01 sends Gary flowers
[08:56] <Gary> woo
[08:56] <jussi01> :D
[08:57] <Tm_T> <3
[08:57] <jussi01> Gary: in which part of the UK are you located?
[08:57]  * Myrtti huggles elkbuntu
[08:57]  * jussi01 should try organise to see some people while he is there...
[08:58] <elkbuntu> jussi01, come to sydney :Þ
[08:58] <Gary> jussi01: at the mo, home is in Colchester, Essex, but I work near Nottingham
[08:58] <Gary> which sucks
[08:58] <jussi01> elkbuntu: hehe, maybe, Im checking things out
[08:58] <Myrtti> everyone is West Midlands based
[08:58] <jussi01> Gary: Ill be visiting Manchester, Liverpool and london most likely
[08:59] <Gary> essex is just a bit north (and east) of London
[08:59] <jussi01> ok. on the train line from manchester?
[08:59] <Gary> nope
[08:59] <jussi01> :(
[09:00] <Gary> nottingham is nearish to manchester
[09:00] <Gary> by nearish, it is 1.5 hours drive away
[09:00] <juliux> SWAT: next ubucon will be in ocotber 2009 ;)
[09:01] <jussi01> Gary: well then, you can comepick me up then :D
[09:01] <Tm_T> Gary: which Nottingham?
[09:01] <Gary> Tm_T: there is more than one?
[09:01] <Tm_T> Gary: sure there is
[09:04] <Tm_T> Gary: but glad we all know what we are talking about, Nottinghamshire that is
[09:05] <Gary> home of robin hood
[09:05] <Tm_T> which one?
[09:05] <Myrtti> and the football club
[09:05] <Tm_T> Myrtti: every british town is
[09:05] <Myrtti> well, yes
[09:06] <Tm_T> Gary: because there's several sources of that legend (:)
[09:06] <Myrtti> but Nottingham has a football club even *I* have heard of.
[09:06] <Tm_T> heh
[09:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how'bout 'pool?
[09:07] <Gary> Tm_T: the real source, there is only one robin hood :p
[09:07] <Tm_T> Gary: there's one modern legend yes, but on the early years there were multiple sources
[09:07] <Tm_T> Gary: like any historical tale, it has many sources in its history
[09:08] <Gary> lies
[09:08] <Gary> :p
[09:08] <Tm_T> I wish it would be lies, but...
[09:08]  * Tm_T sometimes hates the complexity of life
[09:09] <Gary> t'is simple really, you get born, pay taxes, then die
[09:09] <Tm_T> taxes? no, I get paid (:)
[09:09] <Gary> the other stuff is there just for entertainment purposes
[09:10] <Tm_T> I have got more tax refund than paid taxes in last two years
[09:11] <elkbuntu> i'm still being harrassed by this user. i'm going to send him here, he's going to cry bull. you might want to stop your personal discussions so i can do this
[09:11] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: sounds perfect
[09:12] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you're the only other active -ops op. do you want to have the challenger try explain why entering with 'who's the genius' isnt trolling?
[09:12] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: go ahead
[09:13] <Myrtti> sure
[09:13] <elkbuntu> he refuses to come here. wants an active op in PM
[09:13] <Gary> elkbuntu: what user?  and what channel did it start in?
[09:13] <Flannel> Oh,hey.  People are awake.  We ought to update !intrepid to get rid of broken software bit, and add in -release-party, yes?
[09:13] <elkbuntu> he wants to enter because he's banned, not because he wants to be there
[09:13] <Myrtti> well, I'm trying to work atm, I'd rather have him here where someone else can listen to him if I have to "run" (not that much that I can run while in my bed, but anyway)
[09:14] <elkbuntu> aside from, you know, harrassing users.
[09:14] <elkbuntu> Gary, gentoon. the one with the bshellz hostmask. the one who came in to challenge someone who disagreed with his friend bruteforce
[09:15] <Gary> the android one
[09:15] <elkbuntu> Gary, oh, and it was -offtopic
[09:15] <elkbuntu> yes.
[09:16] <elkbuntu> apparantly i cant justify a single rule he broke. he refutes trolling. apparantly it's his right to come in swinging for a fight, etc.
[09:18] <elkbuntu> i even offered to unban if he'd not return to the same behaviour, and he said he would because he could
[09:18] <Gary> so he said he would return to being a troll, because he can?
[09:18] <Myrtti> revelation: after waking up, but before getting up from the bed, it's really uncomfortable to work in bed with the laptop on your lap.
[09:18] <Gary> thats enough to tell him the ban stands...
[09:19] <elkbuntu> Gary, not those exact words, but yes.
[09:23] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, is he still going on?
[09:23] <Myrtti> just now started
[09:26] <ikonia> elkbuntu that would be me who disagreed with bruteforce
[09:27] <elkbuntu> ikonia, you genius, you.
[09:27] <Gary> elkbuntu: did you know your halo is showing in -orftopic
[09:27] <ikonia> he was trying to get cross-compiled toolchain support for an embedded device in ubuntu and had a REAL attitude problem
[09:27] <ikonia> I think I've still got the delightful pm's he sent me
[09:27] <Gary> I save those and print them out :-)
[09:28] <ikonia> elkbuntu: who is the user ?
[09:28] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's plausible the gentoon isnt bruteforce, but he's only there for a fight, not quite the kind of person we want there.
[09:28] <elkbuntu> ^^
[09:28] <ikonia> where is he (sorry I only picked up half the conversation)
[09:29] <ikonia> ahh ok this is in pm
[09:29] <Flannel> This is about brutesource?  note what he said in #u about an hour ago.
[09:29] <ikonia> brutesource or brutefrce
[09:30] <ikonia> the user I delt with was BruteFrce
[09:30] <Myrtti> I was planning to have a shower...
[09:30] <Myrtti> meh.
[09:30] <Flannel> I only see BruteSource as a brute*
[09:30] <elkbuntu> in various PMs
[09:30] <Flannel> was it misspelled?
[09:30] <elkbuntu> ikonia, <gentoon> so who is the genius saying that you can't go eeper than the application stack on android which is completely open, since you have root?
[09:31] <ikonia> elkbuntu: no-one discussed that, it looks like the same guy - but the user BruteFrce came in a few days agao and hasseld for instructions on how to cross-compile a mips toolchain
[09:31] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he returned tonight
[09:31] <ikonia> the mips toolchain was for a "phone" he was working on, he had no idea what he was doing
[09:31] <ikonia> I should have banned him at the time for his attitude - sorry
[09:31] <ikonia> elkbuntu: he's not in the ubuntu logs as BruteFrce
[09:32] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I just got shower
[09:32] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i mispelled then
[09:32] <ikonia> or I can't see him in #ubuntu as BruteFrce
[09:32] <elkbuntu> he was in -ot as brutesource tonight * BruteSource (n=BruteSou@m150e36d0.tmodns.net) has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by elkbuntu)
[09:32] <elkbuntu> * elkbuntu sets ban on *!*@m150e36d0.tmodns.net
[09:33] <Flannel> And #u shortly thereafter
[09:33] <Myrtti> Tm_T: shutup
[09:33] <elkbuntu> i didnt see him there
[09:33] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, just tell him the ban stays, and forward him to freenode staff, aka Gary
[09:34] <Myrtti> I'm making progress!
[09:34] <Gary> meh /me hides
[09:34] <Myrtti> don't make me stop now!
[09:34] <Tm_T> Myrtti: shut me up
[09:34] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, what progress? you're going to let him back in so he can start looking for fights again?
[09:34] <Myrtti> no!?
[09:34] <Myrtti> shush
[09:34] <Myrtti> I need to concentrate
[09:34] <Tm_T> haha
[09:34] <elkbuntu> that's the only progress he's interested in :Þ
[09:36] <Myrtti> I have to see it myself
[09:36] <Flannel> IRC is a privledge, not a right.
[09:36] <elkbuntu> Flannel, damn straight
[09:36] <Tm_T> Flannel: for me it's left
[09:36] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I'm not sure thats teh same user, the topics the same but the usr/host is different
[09:37] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he came in swinging. that's what got people offside
[09:37] <elkbuntu> that's what he got nuked for
[09:37] <ikonia> I don't think he's the same guy as BruteFrce asking about the android / mips toolchain
[09:38] <Flannel> should -release-party be +t?
[09:38] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he was sent by brute
[09:38] <Myrtti> Flannel: of course
[09:38] <Flannel> Myrtti: it's not currently
[09:38] <ikonia> 10:15 -!- BruteFrce [n=IrcNet@m3a0e36d0.tmodns.net
[09:38] <ikonia> it's him
[09:38] <ikonia> that was from my pm log when he was being a bad chap
[09:38] <ikonia> I should have banned him when he was a pain - sorry
[09:39] <ikonia> elkbuntu: he's a lot more agressive/rude in -ot than he was in ubuntu but the content is the same
[09:48] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/21/%23ubuntu.html randomly offtopic all day then becomes a pain at 9:59
[09:51] <ikonia> (in between this conversation I'm getting PM's to STFU you know jack etc
[09:53] <Myrtti> lol
[09:55] <Myrtti> what does adly mean?
[09:55] <ikonia> where ?
[09:55] <Myrtti> oh, right
[09:55] <Myrtti> he mistyped it X-D
[09:56] <Myrtti> [11:54] <gentoon> wtf are you talking about? i invited the guy who was talking adly  about android, he was and still is there.
[09:56] <Myrtti> [11:55] <Myrtti> adly? (looks it up)
[09:56] <Myrtti> [11:55] <gentoon> your english is not god enough to understand the ituation, you  shouldnt be an op.
[09:56]  * Myrtti chuckles
[09:58] <elkbuntu> what?
[09:58] <elkbuntu> Gary, your turn
[09:59] <Myrtti> ok, the discussion is officially now so complex I don't understand him anymore
[09:59] <Myrtti> he's going in circles
[09:59] <elkbuntu> it's too close to release to be dealing with pests like this
[10:02] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, best to pass it on to an englishman until your english is God enough.
[10:02] <Myrtti> hilarious, isn't it.
[10:02] <Gary> god enough?
[10:03] <Myrtti> Gary: see the paste  ^
[10:03] <elkbuntu> Gary, i believe that's one step before 'good'
[10:03] <Gary> i'd soft ignore him to be honest, it seems like you will not win by talking
[10:03] <elkbuntu> Gary, and he's a wimp. he's not even used the shell provider to it's full potential
[10:03] <elkbuntu> or threatened to do so either
[10:05] <elkbuntu> nalioth, we might want mr bot 3 to visit #u-r-p at some point
[10:06] <elkbuntu> or, even mr bot 5, if anyone can drive it
[10:07] <Flannel> Alright, weve got Glitch ban evading in #u
[10:07] <Flannel> (he's also in -ot)
[10:08] <Flannel> ironically, -ot makes it easier to find him in #u
[10:08] <ikonia> and release party
[10:08] <elkbuntu> and in #u-r-p
[10:09]  * elkbuntu headbangs with ikonia
[10:09] <Flannel> -r-p is window 32 :P not one I'm in the habit of checking often yet.
[10:11] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:11] <Flannel> eh
[10:11] <Flannel> mind setting a realname ban on him? marshtom?
[10:12] <Flannel> I don't think I've done it successfully yet
[10:12] <ikonia> Flannel: join the club
[10:12] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: you're a chick, btw.
[10:12] <Myrtti> did you know?
[10:12] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, really?
[10:12] <Myrtti> yes!
[10:12] <Myrtti> surprising
[10:12] <elkbuntu> gee, i thought the lack of dangly meant otherwise...
[10:13] <elkbuntu> how wrong i was.
[10:13] <Flannel> Anyone?  ident ban doohickey?
[10:13] <Myrtti> I'm getting bored
[10:15] <ikonia> who's doohickey ?
[10:16] <elkbuntu> guys, someone might want to review bans in #ubuntu and remove anything that looks expirable.
[10:16] <Flannel> well, shucks.  We've found a keeper.
[10:16] <ikonia> elkbuntu I'm going thorugh now
[10:16] <elkbuntu> ikonia, <3
[10:16] <Flannel> that one was hell.
[10:16] <ikonia> I got a prod from ompaul the onther night so it was on my list for today
[10:17] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:17] <Myrtti> Flannel: I'm getting out of luck here
[10:17] <Flannel> elkbuntu, ideas?
[10:20] <Myrtti> just a sidenote: OH DEAR GOD I'M SURROUNDED BY IDIOTS
[10:20] <bazhang> oof
[10:21] <Flannel> well, shucks Myrtti, I didn't know you liked me like that.
[10:22] <Myrtti> did marshtom get bored?
[10:22] <Flannel> Either that or he's looking for another rooted box to use
[10:22] <Myrtti> ok, is anyone else ready to take over gentoon?
[10:23] <Myrtti> I'm really getting tired here
[10:23]  * Flannel is going to sleep soon.  It is 330 afterall.
[10:25] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he prodded me too, i havent had time
[10:25] <Myrtti> and whizz bang. I couldn't care less about this person anymore
[10:29] <ikonia> running though now
[10:31] <elkbuntu> Gary, are you moonlighting with a troll name?
[10:32] <Gary> me, where?
[10:32] <Dave2> buntu, ideas?
[10:32] <Dave2> err
[10:32]  * Dave2 stabs right-click paste a bit
[10:33] <elkbuntu> Gary, 'gay4gay' in #ubuntu
[10:33] <Gary> not me
[10:33] <Gary> that is quite trolly
[10:33] <elkbuntu> esp since it appears aimed at you
[10:34] <Gary> yeah, I see
[10:34] <Myrtti> anyone want logs?
[10:34] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, yep
[10:37] <Myrtti> I really can't handle this person anymore
[10:38] <Myrtti> I've wasted an hour with him
[10:38] <Myrtti> I should be working
[10:38] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i told you to hand it on.
[10:38] <Myrtti> Gary, anyone?
[10:38] <Myrtti> please, take him off.
[10:38] <Gary> Myrtti: whats the nickname?
[10:39] <elkbuntu> gentoon
[10:39] <Gary> dealing with him
[10:40] <elkbuntu> you're not going to satisfy him unless you obey his whim
[10:40] <elkbuntu> Gary, would you like my logs for reference too?
[10:42] <Gary> elkbuntu: no need, I'm gonna tell him to shut up and wait a week
[10:42] <Myrtti> thank god almighty for the script that allows me to ignore while irssi still logs
[10:42] <elkbuntu> haha
[10:43] <Myrtti> it's been a lifesaver
[10:45] <Myrtti> ikonia: what the HELL are you doing?
[10:45] <Myrtti> removing *everything*?
[10:46] <Gary> I'm being ignored by gentoon btw
[10:46] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:46] <ikonia> no
[10:46] <ikonia> just some really old ones
[10:46] <Myrtti> *!*@fuck.you.pay.me.shellium.org!#ubuntu-ops <-- NO
[10:46] <ikonia> checking the logs to see what they did and if it's a dynamic address
[10:46] <ikonia> Myrtti long gone
[10:46] <Myrtti> [12:39] ~~~mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*@silenceisdefeat.org] by ikonia <-- no!
[10:46] <Myrtti> [12:40] ~~~mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*otg*@210.240.*] by ikonia errrhhh, not
[10:47] <ikonia> Myrtti: the log for that wasn't massive, I can put it back ,but it needs commenting
[10:47] <ikonia> there are no comments and the offense in teh logs look "minor"
[10:48] <ikonia> there you go
[10:48] <elkbuntu> put silenceisdefeat back. it's a common and popular anonoymiser
[10:48] <Myrtti> http://silenceisdefeat.org/ "Currently, a free shell account with us offers:
[10:48] <Myrtti> 50MB storage space, http access(http://silenceisdefeat.org/~username), ssh, sftp, 
[10:48] <Myrtti> imap-ssl mail, pop3-ssl mail. Instant messaging clients for IRC, AIM, MSN, ICQ, 
[10:48] <Myrtti> Yahoo!, Gadu-Gadu, Jabber, and Lily. Optional trainable 
[10:48] <Myrtti> server-side spam detection is also included. We also have a few vhosts for fans of IRC.
[10:48] <Myrtti> "
[10:48] <ikonia> Myrtti: sitck a comment in the log
[10:48] <ikonia> stick
[10:49] <ikonia> as the offenses in the logs for the actual ban look minor
[10:49] <ikonia> a commnet would be really helpful on some of the unseen issues
[10:50] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:50] <Myrtti> sometimes I hate irssi
[10:50] <elkbuntu> ikonia, the problem is that dennis took some of the oldschool ban comments with him
[10:51] <ikonia> elkbuntu I can see, maybe worth going thorugh and checking them, there arn't that many "none-removed" bans
[10:51] <ikonia> if anyone knows anything more about them, stick a comment in 
[10:51] <ikonia> stops mistakes like mine just happening
[10:52] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:52] <Myrtti> http://silenceisdefeat.org/vhosts
[10:52] <Myrtti> are those banned?
[10:52] <Myrtti> if not, please ban
[10:52] <Myrtti> I *really* shouldn't irc
[10:52] <Myrtti> in fact...
[10:53]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti lots before she disappears
[10:53] <ikonia> Myrtti yup, they are banned
[10:53] <ikonia> Myrtti: they where "obvious" at a glance to leave
[10:53] <elkbuntu> om.nomnomnom.org <-- :( why did that one have to get misused like this? WHY?!
[10:55] <Gary> nom nom's elkbuntu 
[10:55] <elkbuntu> ikonia, continue as you were. we need this unbiased review of the bans, some of us have developed allergic reactions to some stimuli
[10:56] <ikonia> I was almost done any how
[10:56] <elkbuntu> :)
[10:56] <ikonia> getting into late sept/early oct
[10:59] <elkbuntu> any ip address that doesnt look like the turkbots or .dyn. type thing older than a month can go
[11:01] <elkbuntu> in fact, anything specified as dyn that is a week old is worth moving
[11:10] <ikonia> what is wrong with *!*@silenceisdefeat.org as a ban ?
[11:11] <ikonia> ooh it did work
[11:11] <ikonia> it just didn't appearin the channel ??
[11:12] <elkbuntu> i saw you put it back
[11:12] <bazhang> yup
[11:12] <bazhang> its back
[11:12] <ikonia> how odd, didn't appear on my scren
[11:12] <ikonia> screen
[11:13] <elkbuntu> irssi can be odd like that
[11:17] <ikonia> ok - think we are quite up to date, few #kubuntu and #-ot's left
[11:18] <elkbuntu> ikonia, did you see http://elkbuntu.net/transfer yet?
[11:19] <ikonia> ooh no
[11:19] <ikonia> cool
[11:22] <elkbuntu> sad part is linode seems to block access to member areas from the ips they allocate. i've got my laptop doing the wget script on cron, and scping them up in batches, then running the imagemagick script there.
[11:49] <SWAT> juliux: ah, how was the con?
[11:49] <elkbuntu> not this twit again
[11:50] <elkbuntu> Gary, i found you a new toy ^^
[11:50] <Gary> playing
[11:51] <Gary> elkbuntu: leave it for me for a bit please
[11:51] <elkbuntu> yep.
[11:51] <elkbuntu> fujisan is a bit more fun anyway i guess :Þ
[11:52] <jrib> oops, ok no more forwarding here
[11:52] <elkbuntu> jrib, no, please leave it like this
[11:52] <jrib> ubuntwo was a bot whose hostname I forwarded here
[11:52] <elkbuntu> we can at least monitor and it's not going to disrupt an actual channel
[11:52] <elkbuntu> jrib, this person is a pest anyway
[11:52] <elkbuntu> note the cloak
[11:53] <jrib> this makes 4 bots I've banned in the past 24 hours (3 in the last 20 minutes)
[11:55] <Gary> elkbuntu: where is it ban forwarded from, and why?
[11:56] <elkbuntu> jrib,^
[11:56] <jrib> Gary: from #ubuntu because it was speaking publicly
[11:56] <elkbuntu> Gary, the cloak should be in bantracker
[11:57] <Gary> cheers jrib 
[12:00] <Gary> elkbuntu: seems to just be a messed up bot, might be worth changing the banforward to ##unavailable or just a plain ban
[12:01] <ikonia> shouldn't be running a bot 
[12:02] <ikonia> 12:01 -!- floyd is now known as DarkSpirit
[12:02] <ikonia> heads up on these two nicks
[12:02] <ikonia> asks questions and gets offensive if he doesn't like what he gets
[12:02] <ikonia> I was going to ban forward him here yesterday, but got distracted
[12:03] <elkbuntu> Gary, this is probably relevent to the bot: * shani (n=zeeshan@unaffiliated/shani) has left #ubuntu
[12:05] <elkbuntu> they're actually in #ubuntu-devel
[12:06] <elkbuntu> asked them to come here
[12:06] <shani> hello friends
[12:06] <elkbuntu> shani, i believe you run an irc bot. correct?
[12:06] <shani> yes i do
[12:07] <elkbuntu> can you explain why it was in #ubuntu?
[12:07] <shani> incidently 
[12:07] <elkbuntu> you mean accidentally?
[12:08] <shani> i made a test channel for them #ubuntwo and with typing mistake of mine they got into #ubuntu
[12:08] <shani> so that might be a big crime ? no 
[12:08] <elkbuntu> ok, you might want to revise the nick if it's going to cause that sort of confusion.
[12:09] <shani> well ill make sure that this thing donot happens again
[12:09] <elkbuntu> accidents are not crimes no. however if you could please find a way to make sure it doesnt start big messages in #ubuntu, especially in release time, it'd be good.
[12:10] <shani> well i prepared them for channel security and to test my tcl scripts 
[12:11] <shani> it'd be good ? how 
[12:12] <jrib> shani: just make sure the bots don't talk in #ubuntu
[12:12] <elkbuntu> we already have enough official security bots in there.
[12:13] <elkbuntu> the floodbots are our security bot team.
[12:13] <shani> jrib : ill make sure , but my problem is that i like talking bots , bot that have ability to explain some thing , ability to guide fellows , so i know that you guyz are not happy with me but ill make sure to control them and put silence on them
[12:14] <elkbuntu> shani, the channel has 1300 people in it. extra bots are not compatible with that many people.
[12:14] <jrib> shani: sure.  You can always make your own channel where your bots talk and try to guide people
[12:15] <elkbuntu> we know you only want to help, but unfortunately it's not help.
[12:15] <shani> elkbuntu : i told you , i didnt meant to put my bots in #ubuntu , i am not fool they you people cant trace them , it was just an accident
[12:16] <elkbuntu> well, it's taken us a while to figure who it belongs to. we've had to ban it before.
[12:16] <jrib> I don't believe shani's bot is ubuntwo, is it?
[12:16] <elkbuntu> jrib, look at the ident of ubuntwo
[12:16] <jrib> oh, maybe it is
[12:17] <shani> well it is and i am still thinking that why it is not listening to me , might you put some thing on it , thats y 
[12:17] <jrib> were BOTSSL and FOSSL also yours shani?
[12:17] <shani> yes they are mine 
[12:17] <jrib> shani: the bots were just banned from #ubuntu, that's all
[12:18] <shani> thank you jrib
[12:18] <shani> cause at that time they were out of my control
[12:18] <elkbuntu> eep. uncontrolled bots are bad
[12:19] <jrib> shani: have you seen the Terminator movie?
[12:19] <shani> jrib : yup i do , the extreme ai
 eep. uncontrolled bots are bad ---> correct , but they are repairable 
[12:21] <Tm_T> bannable too (;)
[12:21]  * elkbuntu nods at Tm_T
[12:21] <ikonia> shani why are you running 3 bots in #ubuntu though ?
[12:22] <shani> ikonia : my all bot listens to me , so any command i supply auto applu to all bots 
[12:23] <ikonia> shani so you miss-typed the command join #ubuntu and all 3 did it
[12:23] <shani> accidently i did .join #ubuntu instead of #ubuntwo
[12:23] <shani> that was the mistake
[12:24] <ikonia> yeah, I saw that, but then the other 2 did that too
[12:24] <shani> ikonia : i think there is not much science involve in it , what you say jrib ?
[12:25] <jrib> shani: I think we all understand each other now.  Just make sure no public speaking bots make their way into #ubuntu in the future
[12:25] <ikonia> I was just trying to understand why the other 2 appeard
[12:25] <juliux> SWAT: it was very sucessfull
[12:25] <juliux> SWAT: you can find pictures at ubucon.juliux.de
[12:26] <shani> ohkay now i want to know some thing for you all , or the one who leads you all 
[12:26] <ikonia> teh 3 bots joined at different times though
[12:27] <ikonia> there is a 20 minute delay between ubuntwo and the FOSSL bots
[12:27] <shani> yeah lagging
[12:27] <ikonia> 20 minutes
[12:27] <shani> here in pakistan we have very low bandwidth
[12:28] <shani> and sometimes bots hangs or dont listens  to my commands
[12:28] <ikonia> they hang for 20 minutes ?
[12:28] <shani> ikonia : may be more 
[12:28] <shani> running at 4 kb/s
[12:28]  * ikonia is dubious
[12:28] <shani> on a old bbs
[12:29] <shani> 33.6k modem
[12:29] <shani> :D
[12:29] <shani> so can i ask my question now ?
[12:29] <elkbuntu> shani, if such problems can exist, then you're not in real control. anything can happen in 20 minutes.
[12:30] <shani> elkubuntu : i agree you but that would be harmless 
[12:32] <shani> so can i ask my question now ?
[12:33] <jrib> go ahead shani
[12:36] <shani> jrib : we 3 friends , faria , zaouhair and me live in different cities of pakistan , managed and arranged 3 servers with 1 mb connectivity running ubuntu 8.04 servers , we want to offer free public access to help learners and newbies to test and learn ubuntu with lamp , so i want to merge it officially here , i want to know what is the right way to offer them , at current we are testing them at operating the service at #shellhell , 
[12:37] <shani> *at = and 
[12:37] <elkbuntu> public shells are dangerous
[12:37] <elkbuntu> you'll find yourself comprehensively banned from lots of places
[12:37] <shani> but we want allow users to compile 
[12:37] <shani> :)
[12:38] <Pici> I don't understand what this has to do with #ubuntu
[12:38] <shani> *wont
[12:38] <Pici> shani: 'want' was correct.
[12:39] <shani> Pici : read my qestion again
[12:39] <shani> i hv no concern with #ubuntu or canonical
[12:39]  * Pici looks at what channel he is in
[12:41] <ikonia> shani: allow me to summerise, if you don't know how to administer this safley on your own - you shouldn't be doing it, you open yourself up to crazy risks, and probably blacklisting from IRC/ISP's/etc
[12:41] <shani> ikonia : go head 
[12:42] <elkbuntu> shani, i dont think you have any further business here. your bots are not to be seen in #ubuntu or any channel they're not invited into by the person who registered the channel.
[12:43] <shani> elkbuntu : i dint get my answer yet
[12:43] <shani> or you dnt have any answer
[12:43] <elkbuntu> shani, you're asking in the wrong place.
[12:43] <shani> elkbuntu : then why are you not guiding me ?
[12:44] <elkbuntu> shani, we tried to guide you to not do it. you're refusing that guidance. we're not here to tell you what you want to hear
[12:45] <shani> elkbuntu : you are just pointing errors , and i m asking for corrections
[12:45] <shani> there is a difference 
[12:45] <elkbuntu> shani, i do not know of a way to do it and be safe. at all. i cannot tell you a correction.
[12:46] <elkbuntu> you're asking for an answer that does not exist
[12:46] <shani> if it does not exsist then its a good home work for you all BIGGIES 
[12:46]  * ikonia was right to be dubious
[12:46] <Pici> shani: This doesn't concern us at all.
[12:47] <Daviey> sad
[12:47] <ikonia> I don't believe him on the bots either
[12:47] <elkbuntu> ikonia, nor do i. i'm waiting for nal to wake up and see that he's 'at it again'
[12:48] <ikonia> oh, is he known
[12:48] <elkbuntu> yes.
[12:48] <ikonia> ok, this becomes clearer
[12:48]  * ikonia randomly waves at the readers of this log - the many readers
[12:49] <elkbuntu> he used to have a channel in the ubuntu namespace that shared out his bots to gulliable fools. it invited itself to #ubuntu-au and everything.
[12:49] <elkbuntu> that was an accident apparantly
[12:50] <elkbuntu> i removed two bots from there. ubuntwo and fossl
[12:50] <ikonia> he seems prone to accidents
[12:50] <elkbuntu> why my evil twin agreed to two, i'll never know. my evil twin doesnt talk to me.
[12:50]  * ikonia wishes him look with his open shell access
[12:53] <elkbuntu> is it just me or is paddy_EIRE getting more and more obnoxious?
[12:54] <Pici> Its not just you.
[12:54] <Tm_T> it's not, just you.
[12:54] <Tm_T> (;)
[13:12] <Myrtti> my bum hurts and I still stink...
[13:12] <Myrtti> sometimes I just hate working from home
[13:32] <Gary> elkbuntu: I can set sianis's member cloak if you like
[13:33] <elkbuntu> Gary, thanks
[13:36] <jussi01> Gary: dont we normally require those things you mentioned?
[13:37] <Gary> jussi01: for a project cloak no, but they are a damn good idea
[13:37] <Gary> the alt so you can always join and be cloaked, and the email incase you forget the password
[13:38] <Gary> s/always/mostly always
[13:38] <jussi01> Gary: ahh... ok, just normally they get made to do that when anyone else cloaks them :)
[13:38] <Gary> it's advised, but for normal project cloaks is not required, maybe for ubuntu ones it is, I do not normally do them
[13:39] <Myrtti> we harass people to have altnick and email setup
[13:39] <LjL> Gary: it is required for ubuntu cloaks
[13:39] <Myrtti> :-D
[13:39] <Gary> maybe I should make him do it?
[13:39] <Myrtti> with pink pointy sticks
[13:39] <Myrtti> YES!
[13:39] <Gary> PINK POINTY STICKS, woot
[13:40] <LjL> Gary: in theory it's something we should take care of, but given we cannot really check for alt and email (especially email), we have to rely on you to give the go-ahead
[13:40] <Gary> ahh, oki, I'll bug him to do those bits then
[13:42]  * Myrtti needs a huggle
[13:43]  * Pici hugs Myrtti 
[13:43] <Pici> !yay
[13:44] <Pici> Can/Should we get ubottu or similar in #u-r-p?
[13:44] <LjL> Pici: i was thinking perhaps i could put a fb there too
[13:44] <LjL> partying is partying but also flooding is flooding
[13:44] <Pici> LjL: Might not be a bad idea... 
[13:45] <Pici> Did we have floodbots in #u for the last release?
[13:45] <wgrant> It would seem to be a bad idea to not...
[13:46] <LjL> Pici: did they even exist?
[13:46] <Pici> LjL: I don't remember thats why I'm asking.
[13:46] <LjL> i don't remember either
[13:46] <LjL> but i guess so
[13:46] <LjL> since i have files from 2007 in the fb directory
[13:47] <LjL> ... anyway, i'll give the usual two suggestions that are always killed off at once
[13:47] <LjL> 1) redirect +1 to -party *not* to #ubuntu
[13:47] <jussi01> Id rather not put poor ubottu in there, she is rather overloaded, and nothing but factoids is really needed, so how about ubot3 or ubot5`
[13:48] <LjL> 2) keep +r in #ubuntu and let the others bounce into another channel (-party might do) first
[13:48] <jussi01> LjL: I like the first one
[13:49] <LjL> as for the second one, remember that with the floodbots, we can do something similar to -proxy-users
[13:49] <LjL> i.e. let users *automatically* join #ubuntu, but only after some sort of acknowledgement
[13:49] <Gary> we could moderate all ubuntu channels :p /me hides
[13:49] <LjL> if you have never been in -proxy-users, you'd be surprised at the amount of cruft it filters
[13:49]  * jussi01 puts Gary in the corner
[13:49] <LjL> (considering it's only mibbit users)
[13:50] <Tm_T> heh
[13:50] <LjL> Gary: sure, and i'll grant you the privilege of manually relaying relevant messages
[13:50]  * Gary waddles off to the corner :'(
[13:51] <jussi01> LjL: why not try it, it could work really well, though we would have a lot of people asking for support in -party
[13:52] <LjL> jussi01, figure this
[13:52] <LjL> i'm an unregged user
[13:52] <LjL>  /join #ubuntu
[13:52] <LjL> i ret redirected to #ubuntu-unregged
[13:53] <LjL> (#ubuntu-unregged) FloodBot1: If you want technical support for Ubuntu, please join #ubuntu - If you want to party for the release if 8.10, join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:53] <LjL> meanwhile, FloodBot1 sets +e on me in #ubuntu
[13:54] <jussi01> LjL: that sounds sane to me
[13:55] <Pici> That sounds like a lot of +e traffic
[13:55] <jussi01> but thats only for unregged users correct, Im registred so I go straight in?
[13:55] <LjL> Pici: a bit, yeah, but still better than the flooding
[13:55] <LjL> Pici: also, it could be even made like this if you're worried about that
[13:55] <Pici> LjL: But now we'll see +e and a join instead of just a join
[13:55] <LjL> "If you want technical support for Ubuntu, please type « support » and then join #ubuntu"
[13:56] <LjL> Pici: ^
[13:56] <Pici> LjL: I don't think thats a good idea.
[13:56] <LjL> jussi01: yes, i was thinking only for unregged users
[13:56]  * jussi01 hrms...
[13:56] <LjL> Pici: well, it's the only way to do that while avoiding gratuitous +e's
[13:57] <LjL> Pici: or, we could avoid the +e's completely and just require them to register
[13:57] <Pici> LjL: I think that will force a lot of people to seek support elsewhere
[13:58] <Pici> Especially now that email confirmation is needed to complete registration
[13:58] <LjL> Pici, typing one single word and then joining a channel isn't particularly hard. if you can't do that, then you probably can't even follow the support advice you're given.
[13:58] <Pici> LjL: But why do we need to ask them to do that? 
[13:59] <LjL> Pici: 1) so we can avoid the gratuitous +e's, which is a purely technical reason but not a bogus one  2) that weeds away botnets and completely "random" users
[14:00] <Pici> LjL: Why just not set +r then?
[14:00] <LjL> Pici: err yes, that's what i was proposing... +r, but with the bots taking care of giving people instructions on how to join (and by using +e, you can spare them the whole registration thing)
[14:01] <Pici> LjL: Why do we need to set +r? It sounds like you're creating a problem just so you can fix it.
[14:02] <LjL> Pici, where have you been the past releases? :P #ubuntu gets utterly unusable
[14:02] <LjL> and the attackers hardly miss the chance, either
[14:02] <Pici> ...
[14:02] <LjL> unaffiliated/unafilliate? hm.
[14:03] <Pici> LjL: We delt with that bot owner earlier.
[14:03] <Pici> LjL: They're probably doing it on purpose
[14:04] <LjL> Pici: i know
[14:04] <LjL> but i was afraid ##unavailable would get a little too cramped
[14:05] <jrib> he's getting banforwarded from #ubuntu
[14:06] <ikonia> why is this bot back again
[14:06] <LjL> jrib: oh, then i should have forwarded to #ubuntu
[14:06] <LjL> recursive forwards are fun
[14:07] <jrib> LjL: i don't like either idea, but I don't have a better one.  We could try (2) and see how it goes though
[14:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi guys, just wanted to let you know I am still here, but swamped with working on a project
[14:08] <LjL> jrib: #1 seems only natural to me... if you were on #ubuntu+1, now you probably want to discuss the release, and -party is the place for that. and if you don't and want support instead, well if you've already learned how to join +1, you definitely know how to join #ubuntu all by yourself
[14:09] <ikonia> get staff on it apparntly he's known
[14:09] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: ok :)
[14:10] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Glad to see you around again :)
[14:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I needed a day off to clear my head...  Swim in the pool and enjoy the day
[14:12] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: sound super
[14:13] <jrib> LjL: well if someone is in #ubuntu+1, they are there for support atm, so I think it makes sense to forward them to another support channel
[14:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Take care and keep up the good work.  
[14:14] <LjL> jrib: ok, that point of view makes sense too, but imho mine does as well. the plus of mine is that you avoid (well, redirect) all the questions "why was this channel closed" "i want it back" "why the fsck did you kick me" etc
[14:14] <jrib> true
[14:18] <Gary> whats the other two nicks that fellow uses?
[14:19] <Pici> Gary: shani and fossl iirc.
[14:19] <Gary> cheers
[14:29] <LjL> Gary, can you cloak partybot1 ubuntu/bot please
[14:30] <Pici> woo... partybot
[14:30] <Pici> Why not partybotu?
[14:30] <LjL> Pici: people might think it's the factoid bot...
[14:31] <Pici> LjL: ah... I didn't realize it was a floodbot
[14:31] <LjL> Pici: ubot3 is already in there for factoids
[14:31] <LjL> i can't use the floodbot nickname because the other ones would get confused
[14:32] <Gary> LjL: partybot is droppable btw
[14:32] <jussi01> partybot :D
[14:32] <genii> Heh, floods, facts and parties
[14:32] <LjL> Gary: i know but that doesn't matter, the code needs a trailing 1
[14:32] <Gary> oki
[14:32] <jussi01> genii: lol
[14:33] <genii> jussi01: I think the bots have a more active social life than me
[14:33] <Gary> LjL: done, still think partybot is better thou
[14:34] <LjL> Gary: wait... i meant ubuntu/bot/partybot, ubuntu/bot all by itself is a, err, slightly nonstandard cloak...
[14:34] <LjL> not that it matters much to me but
[14:35] <Gary> done
[14:35] <LjL> Gary: i know partybot would be better but i can't be bothered going and changing the code so the trailing numbers are not required. there's more places that need that than you'd think
[14:46] <genii> the !xmms factoid has bmpx and xmms2   twice in the suggested replacements
[14:47] <jussi01> !xmms
[14:47] <jussi01> heh
[14:48] <jussi01> !no, xmms is <reply>xmms is no longer being developed, see http://bugs.debian.org/461309 for more details.  Consider using audacious, bmpx, or xmms2 instead.
[14:48] <jussi01> !xmms
[14:49] <jussi01> oh ubot5` shut the heck up...
[14:49] <LjL> !no xmms is no longer being developed, see http://bugs.debian.org/461309 for more details.  Consider using audacious, bmpx, or xmms2, bmpx, or xmms2 instead. Alternatively, try xmms2, and if you aren't found of it, consider using xmms2 instead.
[14:49] <jussi01> LjL: wth?
[14:49] <LjL> !no xmms is no longer being developed, see http://bugs.debian.org/461309 for more details.  Consider using audacious, bmpx, or xmms2, bmpx, or xmms2 instead. Alternatively, try xmms2, and if you aren't found of it, consider using xmms2 instead. Also, how about xmms2?
[14:50] <jussi01> I liked mine better... and s/found/fond/
[14:52] <jussi01> LjL: so is there really a point to having that factoid like that?
[14:52] <LjL> !xmms | jussi01
[14:53]  * jussi01 slaps LjL - you are supposed to be nice to me!!
[14:53] <Pici> Says who?
[14:53] <LjL> me, nice?
[14:53] <LjL> !notreally-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:53] <jussi01> lol
[14:54] <Myrtti> GODDAMNIT DPKG WORK
[15:05]  * Myrtti kicks apt in the groin
[15:08] <Pici> low blow!
[15:08] <Myrtti> 1000pts
[15:09]  * genii puts on more coffee
[15:09]  * Myrtti goes to microwave hers
[15:10] <genii> LjL: I gather you're fond of xmms2 ?
[15:10] <Pici> ziroday`: Howdy, how can we help?
[15:11] <ziroday`> You might want to know that there is a #ubuntu-party that appears to be masqueraidng for a #ubuntu-release-party
[15:12] <LjL> ziroday`: wonderful
[15:12] <LjL> good to know thanks
[15:12] <Pici> ziroday`: Thanks for the heads up, we'll take a lok
[15:12] <ziroday`> cheers, have a great day :)
[15:16] <LjL> this fellow who's op never even was in #ubuntu
[15:17] <Gary> yeah
[15:20] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, LjL said: !no intrepid is <reply> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - Introduction and new features: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc - Use #ubuntu+1 for support, NOT #ubuntu
[15:21] <Pici> thats annoying
[15:24] <LjL> we do need to be able to update factoids in there
[15:24] <LjL> torrent and http links, everything
[15:26] <LjL> oh, here is the hammer
[15:26] <LjL> i couldn't find it
[15:26] <Pici> !hammer
[15:26] <Pici> :(
[15:27] <Myrtti> !hammertime-#ubuntu-offtopic
[15:37] <jussi01> Gary: still around?
[15:37] <Gary> well, I'm not that fat :'(
[15:39] <jussi01> hehe
[15:42]  * Myrtti facepalms
[15:43] <jdong> can someone shut up __u8			requeue:1;
[15:43] <jdong> err
[15:43] <jdong> belendax
[15:43] <jdong> he's spewing nonsense in #ubuntu-devel
[15:43] <jdong> oh nvm cjwatson is on the case.
[15:48]  * Flannel votes no on random forwarding to other channels around release time (requiring 'support' to get back, etc).  FWIW.
[15:49]  * Pici agrees with Flannel 
[16:22] <Pici> flameware... 
[16:23] <bazhang> great topic in -party
[16:23] <ikonia> whcih is /
[16:23] <ikonia> ?
[16:23] <Pici> ikonia: #ubuntu-release-party
[16:24] <bazhang> delayed 2 hours every time someone asks :)
[16:24] <ikonia> no I meant whats the topic
[16:24] <ikonia> ah
[16:24] <bazhang> sounds like Hobbsee
[16:24] <ikonia> oh the actual /topic
[16:24] <ikonia> not a topic
[16:24] <bazhang> yeah
[16:24] <bazhang> sorry 
[16:26] <Myrtti> answer is it's delayed with 42 minutes everytime someone asks
[16:33] <Myrtti> I so hope it were Friday already
[16:34] <Pici> Me too...
[16:34] <Myrtti> please, make it Friday today
[16:34] <Pici> It feels like a busy friday here
[16:34] <jussi01> please will someone make the us election over already?
[16:34] <Pici> And 8.10 out too.
[16:34] <LjL> Pici: yay is using a shell account ftr
[16:47] <LjL-Lem> holy cow, my client is spitting all NAMES and banlists raw
[17:00] <Pici> @login
[17:00] <ikonia> gents I'm off to catch a train, #ubuntu is manic at the moment enjoy :)
[17:01] <Pici> ikonia: thanks ;)
[17:21] <Pici> !ping
[17:23] <Pici> LjL: the second part of that doesnt make sense. Typo?
[17:24] <LjL> Pici: hm?
[17:26] <Pici> LjL: Oh, misread...nevermind.
[17:26] <jussi01> hehe
[17:26] <Pici> More than once too
[17:26] <jussi01> anyone familiar with inkscape here?
[17:28] <LjL> Reading package lists... Done
[17:28] <LjL> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 0 2364
[17:28] <LjL> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[17:28] <LjL> who's seen that before?
[17:28] <Dave2> me
[17:28] <Pici> Not I.
[17:28] <Dave2> (today.)
[17:28] <Pici> (ever)
[17:28] <Dave2> (On Intrepid AMD64)
[17:33] <Pici> jussi01: Does Kubuntu 8.10 release simultaneously with Ubuntu 8.10?
[17:33] <jussi01> Pici: its supposed to....
[17:43]  * Myrtti slaps Pici's forehead since he doesn't realise to slap it himself
[17:45] <jdong> Pici: actually, the blue means that the release is accelerating towards you faster than Ubuntu.
[17:45] <Pici> jdong: ah, blueshift.
[18:10] <Myrtti> tralala
[18:11] <Myrtti> I think I finally might be done with today's work
[18:12] <Pici> Lucky you :)
[18:13] <Myrtti> yeah, 13 hour days rock!
[18:13] <Myrtti> not.
[18:14] <Myrtti> and surprising as it is, staring at a buddy icon of friends who are away from the computer doesn't magically make them come online and available.
[18:15]  * Myrtti stares some more
[18:16] <genii> LjL: I've seen it a couple times when a broken deb download
[18:19] <LjL> [19:18:25] <-- Azhi_Dahaka_ has left this server ("Ex-Chat").
[18:19] <LjL> [19:18:27] <jspiro> RinTinTigger: so ask away.  But don't say "how are you" because your responses use up 600 packets each time.  That costs a small but noticeable amount of bandwidth.
[18:19] <LjL> a genius
[18:20] <genii> LjL: He's spent more time wasting the resources he's concerned about lecturing the other fellow
[18:26] <genii> After release, #ubuntu+1 merges?
[18:26] <LjL> yes
[18:26] <Pici> We usually forward #ubuntu+1 to elsewhere
[18:27] <genii> OK
[18:29] <genii> Haha, floodbot lecturing ubottu for flooding in #ubuntu
[18:29] <LjL> there's something wrong i think... it's not the first time they do that lately
[18:29] <LjL> but it just sent three messages...
[18:30] <jussi01> its funny when the bots fight
[18:30] <jussi01> been happening for quite a while though
[18:30] <genii> 3 messages in less than 60 secs likely the trigger
[18:30] <Pici> LjL: The messages were kind of long
[18:31] <LjL> Pici: right... but there's no check on length
[18:31] <Pici> LjL: Nevermind then
[18:31] <LjL> ah right i know why
[18:31] <LjL> it said "www" once
[18:32] <Pici> ah
[18:33] <genii> Interesting
[18:34] <Pici> Why ask Windows or Gentoo questions in Ubuntu?
[18:37] <genii> Well, it wasn't really an os-specific Q
[18:39] <Pici> genii: It might not be, but I wouldn't mention the distro I was using if I was trying to get an offtopic question in.
[18:40] <genii> Hehe, me either
[18:40] <Myrtti> I WANT SNUGGLES
[18:40] <Myrtti> plz I can has Friday? kthx
[18:41] <Myrtti> sowwy.
[18:41]  * Myrtti hides
[18:56] <LjL> banned "redi" from #ubuntu as they asked why they were banned from #mandriva
[18:56] <LjL> because they had already asked the same in #freenode, been given the name of the op who banned them, explained how to PM someone, and eventually they just left saying "fuck you all"
[18:56] <nalioth> :)
[18:59] <Flannel> jussi01: Im pretty handy in inkscape
[19:00] <jussi01> Flannel: I got it sorted. thanks anyway :)
[19:02] <genii> Damn. I'm really surious now what he wants to compile that could be taken as if he wants to be malicious
[19:03] <genii> *curious
[19:03] <LjL> jspiro is getting a bit on my nerves
[19:03] <Flannel> LjL++
[19:06] <genii> Yes, that guy IS annoying
[19:06] <LjL> and already got kicked by ompaul some time ago
[19:06] <Pici> +1
[19:07] <Flannel> I'm messaging him regarding the fact that we appreciate the effort, but don't need the help at the moment
[19:08] <Flannel> He seems to understand, we'll see how it goes.
[19:12] <Flannel> Erm.  We're larger than #gentoo, right?
[19:12] <LjL> a bit, why?
[19:12]  * Flannel could've swore the 1700 people around edgy was freenode max
[19:12] <Flannel> he's saying we should ask #gentoo what they do, since they're around 2K
[19:13] <Flannel> Any way to see their numbers besides joining?
[19:13] <LjL> they've never been above 1000 for more than 10 minutes at a time...
[19:13] <LjL> asking me, because i'm in there ;)
[19:13] <LjL> 963
[19:13] <Flannel> LjL: sounds good :)  but, in general? /me is curious for new tools.
[19:13] <LjL> no way to do it
[19:13] <Flannel> pity
[19:14] <LjL> a /names or /who would only tell you about users who aren't +i
[19:14] <nalioth> 962 currently
[19:14]  * nalioth whistles
[19:14] <LjL> nalioth: ok, no way for normal beings
[19:14] <LjL> (aside from the fact that you're in there too)
[19:14]  * nalioth is in #gentoo atm
[19:15] <LjL> Flannel: anyway i'm not so sure we're freenode's top, i think wikipedia's party for the millionth article brought in quite a few folks
[19:16] <Flannel> LjL: Well, at that time it was max.  I haven't exactly kept up with the record
[19:16] <Flannel> or at least, I *heard* we were max at that time.
[19:16] <LjL> Flannel: actually wait, it would seem that ALIS gives you the accurate amonut of people
[19:17] <Flannel> LjL: what are the columns with ALIS anyway?
[19:17] <LjL> channel name, amount of people, topic
[19:17] <Flannel> Oh, right.  amount of people is what that is.
[19:17]  * Flannel has never seen much more than 2 digits there.
[19:18] <Flannel> erm
[19:18] <LjL>  /list does it too, but aside from being slow, i *think* it doesn't report the right amount (i.e. doesn't include +i users) - couldn't swear on it too
[19:18] <Flannel> that was an interesting part.
[19:19] <LjL> [20:18:28] <balz> what is the lighttp package name?
[19:19] <LjL> i hate them when they do this
[20:25] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:43] <Myrtti> pwuh
[20:43] <Myrtti> I hate these kinds of days
[20:44] <Myrtti> it's almost eleven o'clock
[20:44] <Myrtti> I just came out of the morning shower.
[20:44] <Myrtti> "I'll just check the email before heading to shower..."
[20:45] <Seeker`> ouch
[20:49] <LjL> uhm, i didn't mean to give him the attitude kick message but the away kick message. oh well.
[20:50] <Seeker`> LjL: should have the same sort of effect
[20:50] <LjL> yeah, both result in a kick
[21:11] <LjL> i know i'm not in -doc but, when i go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI and see "two methods" of installing the driver, one "easier"... (and i guess the same goes for nvidia and other things)
[21:12] <LjL> i'm just left to wonder - is it us who aren't supporting something that ought to be supported, or is it the wiki that's kind of on the wrong track?
[21:13] <LjL> it gives disclaimers in the header but if one just skips using the contents table, there's no warning whatsoever
[21:13] <LjL> it should be as big a warning as for enabling root
[21:14] <LjL> the nvidia page does it better at least
[21:14] <LjL> (i.e. doesn't mention the nvidia.com driver at all except in "see also", where that page does give a huge warning)
[21:16] <Mez> Ubuntu Inbox status: 666 Total.
[21:34] <Myrtti> oh my dear god, I just hit the comic zone. I'm too tired AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI *screams*
[21:36] <Mez> comic zone?
[21:37] <jussi01> Mez: she is delerious...
[21:38] <Mez> ah, I thought she was just reading webcomics ;)
[21:45] <AdamDV> Would anybody know how irc.ubuntu.com was set up?
[21:45] <Myrtti> sure
[21:45] <Myrtti> it's a cname
[21:45] <Myrtti> for irc.freenode.net
[21:46] <AdamDV> Oh.
[21:46] <AdamDV> I was wondering how to setup an irc server.
[21:46] <Myrtti> myrtti@kani:~$ host irc.ubuntu.com
[21:46] <Myrtti> irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for chat.freenode.net.
[21:47] <AdamDV> Dang
[21:48] <Myrtti> yeah, sorry.
[21:55] <PriceChild> AdamDV: there's a reasonable guide on wiki.ubuntu.com for the ubuntu dancer packages iirc.
[21:56] <PriceChild> AdamDV: But whatever ircd you want, their help files, and comments in the config files will probably be helpful.
[22:07] <jussi01> Hrm, Im going to forward #kubuntu-kde4 to #kubuntu now as per the plan, if nobody has any objections?
[22:10] <jussi01> PriceChild: you ok with that?
[22:10] <PriceChild> sounds sensible