[00:01] <favro> yep :)
[01:58] <phayz> has anyone tried the ubuntu "dust" gtk theme under xfce4?  i did and found that only part of the theme seemed to apply - e.g. scrollbars look different but dialog boxes, buttons etc look like the gtk default!?
[01:59] <phayz> i have installed the murrine gtk engine, but perhaps not the right version?
[02:12] <nikolam> how do you install and apply theme anyway? I get used to default. I used to be testing user interface and window manager settings from settings manager. Is that`s it?
[02:12] <nikolam> phayz
[02:15] <favro> you unpack a theme in .themes in your home dir and it shows up in settings manager - user interface
[02:16] <rerobins> so do I ask questions about intrepid here or in the devel channel?
[02:17] <Odd-rationale> #ubuntu+1
[02:17] <rerobins> well
[02:17] <rerobins> the xubuntu intrepid?
[02:17] <Odd-rationale> i believe so...
[02:17] <Odd-rationale> !intrepid
[02:17] <nikolam> on #ubuntu+1
[02:17] <rerobins> thanks
[02:18] <nikolam> until final.. anyway :)
[02:18] <rerobins> oh
[02:18] <rerobins> so if i wait till thursday i can come back?
[02:18] <nikolam> yup :)))
[02:19] <phayz> nikolam - sorry, i was away for a while (obviously)
[02:20] <nikolam> phayz, never mind, favro explained it :)
[02:21] <rerobins> so the bottom couple of rows on my desktop are shifted to the left about 50 pixels, what would the search term for that be in launchpad?
[02:23] <nikolam> try to post a bug under ubuntu and then search for a graphics driver you use
[02:24] <rerobins> any of you guys use the minimized application setting for xfdesktop?
[02:30] <phayz> rerobins: sorry, i don't quite understand your question
[02:31] <rerobins> under the desktop icons setting in Desktop Preferences you can select minimized applications
[02:31] <rerobins> was wondering if people used that
[02:33] <phayz> rerobins: ok, now i understand.  i actually set this option to "nothing/none" (sorry, i can't remember exactly what it's named).  i don't see the point of desktop icons because you have to get all the windows out of the way to see them
[02:33] <rerobins> fair enough
[02:34] <rerobins> do you use a task bar then?
[02:35] <phayz> rerobins: if you had a wide screen monitor, perhaps you could have xfce4 keep part of the desktop clear of windows.  then you could have desktop icons in that section.
 hi there I was usermodding my self to www-data group with usermod -G www-data $USER and I forgot the -a so now I am not in the admin group  and I cannot sudo and the root account is disabled what can I do?
[02:37] <nikolam> rerobins, I just dicovered that that option for desktop is existing. Interesting ;) Never used it.. reminds me on Windows 3.1 :)
[02:37] <nikolam> rerobins, i use Task list in panel :)
[02:37] <rerobins> ahh ok
[02:39] <nikolam> kthakore, just boot and select p at grub screen. you will get root command line and then you can make new user or assign any privileges you want to yourself.
[02:40] <nikolam> ubuntu is a workstation and as it is is much unsecure in that way by default install.
[02:42] <nikolam> kthakore, it always help to make alternative account for yourself after install , with administrative privileges
[02:42] <nikolam> kthakore2, also, root password could be set.. :)
[02:42] <favro> * kthakore has quit ("Sanitarium Radio - \o/")
[02:42] <nikolam> .. and grub secured so that noone can edit it on boot time.. etc..
[02:43] <nikolam> ah hh 10x favro
[02:43] <favro> :)
[02:44] <nikolam> favro, do you knew all those default security holes in default x/ubuntu install?
[02:44] <favro> yep - I always give root a password
[02:45] <nikolam> and securing grub?
[02:46] <phayz> favourite gtk theme?
[02:46] <nikolam> with passwor for recovery mode, and changing boot options?
[02:46] <nikolam> phayz, .. default.. i am lazy :)
[02:46] <favro> nikolam: with a root password set I feel any attempts to do anything with grub would be limited
[02:47] <phayz> nikolam: that's cool.  i'm yet to find my perfect gtk theme.
[02:47] <nikolam> I use user interface > MurrinaStormCloud and Window Manager > Waza
[02:47] <favro> recovery uses root access - that's why I set a password
[02:48] <nikolam> favro, do you set your Bios NOT to boot from CD/USB? :) and password on bios?
[02:48] <favro> nope
[02:49] <nikolam> thats it. i come to you fith an usb and do all i want :)
[02:49] <favro> bios settings are easy enough to change - just remove the battery
[02:49] <nikolam> or cd :)
[02:49] <rerobins> so compiz and xfce, a fun experiment or a waste of time?
[02:49] <nikolam> yes but if coputer case is locked? :)
[02:50] <nikolam> rerobins, .. it works :)
[02:50] <favro> plenty on utube about xfce and compiz
[02:50] <nikolam> .. i don`t know what`s the use but to impress yourself and someone else and have some fun.. but it works :)
[02:51] <rerobins> but, it replaces the xf window manager right?
[02:52] <nikolam> rerobins, yes, you got to start (alt+f2) metacity --replace i think..
[02:52] <rerobins> hmm
[02:52] <nikolam> look at some tutorial about compiz first
[02:52] <favro> no - compiz is a desktop environment - xfwm is a window manager - you can use xfwm with compiz but most use emerald
[02:53] <nikolam> if you want to come back later to xfwm, you got to kill metacity first and then start xfwm4
[02:53] <rerobins> so when i ran compiz, and it replaced my decorations, it's really running emerald?
[02:53] <phayz> nikolam: where would i see "waza" on the 'net?
[02:53] <nikolam> favro, Didn`t know that..
[02:53] <favro> if you installed emerald yep
[02:53] <nikolam> waza is installed as default
[02:54] <favro> metacity is gnomes' window manager
[02:54] <nikolam> under window manager settings
[02:54] <rerobins> i don't have either installed
[02:54] <favro> did you have window titlebars in compiz?
[02:55] <nikolam> so, favro emerald is thing for use with compiz.. but if I stay with xfwm4, how do i start compiz with it?
[02:55] <rerobins> yea
[02:55] <rerobins> that's what i want to know
[02:55] <rerobins> cause right now i'm running a compiz-manager thing
[02:55] <rerobins> err compiz-decorator
[02:56] <nikolam> favro suggests emerald
[02:56] <favro> I've never tried in xfce4 - there's sure to be a tute on the net
[02:56] <rerobins> a tute?
[02:56] <nikolam> tutorial
[02:56] <favro> howto - tutorial
[02:57] <rerobins> k
[02:58] <nikolam> I was wondering.. is there anyone else but canonical that sells ubuntu support. But lower priced and so..
[02:58] <favro> !support
[02:58] <favro> dunno what's there
[02:59] <nikolam> community :)
[03:00] <nikolam> we :)
[03:00] <favro> hehe
[03:01] <rerobins> that website says to come here
[03:02] <nikolam> lol
[03:03] <nikolam> we should be payed.. web site is saying that! lol :)
[03:05] <favro> there are bounties on the xubuntu website if you want to earn cash
[03:06] <rerobins> i must have missed the link with $'s on it
[03:06] <favro> you have to hunt
[03:06] <nikolam> bounties :)
[03:07] <rerobins> clever
[03:07] <favro> that's what the site calls 'em :)
[03:08] <nikolam> Ohh, the mighty , powerfull siite :)
[03:08] <rerobins> yes, we should all worship it, and it's ability to link to other sites
[03:10] <nikolam> :))
[03:13] <rerobins> so do any of you work on xubuntu, or are you all users?
[03:16] <nikolam> i am an user
[03:16] <nikolam> favro, please pay attention to worship yourself as an user ;)
[03:17] <nikolam> there is also channel #xubuntu-offtopic
[03:18] <rerobins> is that were I should be?
[03:18] <favro> I don't think there's anyone around to complain
[03:18] <nikolam> mmm .. not :) maybe.. yes... mm no :)
[03:20] <rerobins> so, i'm trying to change my manager theme and i know I'm using gtk-window-decorator
[03:20] <rerobins> how do i change it's settings
[03:21] <rerobins> i'm sure i'm missing a program
[03:24] <favro> why not use user interface in the settings manager?
[03:24] <rerobins> only changes the colors
[03:25] <rerobins> doesn't change the graphics
[03:25] <favro> it is the theme you choose that does that afaik
[03:26] <rerobins> so yes, i select redmond, and the borders turn blue
[03:26] <rerobins> then i hit Crux
[03:26] <rerobins> and they turn purple
[03:26] <rerobins> but nothing else changes
[03:27] <favro> what do you think should change?
[03:27] <rerobins> well
[03:27] <rerobins> if it's like gnome
[03:27] <rerobins> don't they actually change styles and such?
[03:27] <rerobins> like the Beos one makes it yellow and really short title bar
[03:27] <nikolam> it changes here
[03:28] <rerobins> ahh
[03:28] <rerobins> the famous, works in my area line
[03:29] <favro> you might not have a theme that changes much
[03:29] <rerobins> well, it used to do it when I was using the xfwm4 thing,
[03:30] <favro> ahh you're in compiz - k - you might need to ask in #compiz about that
[03:30] <rerobins> ok
[03:32] <nikolam> ok, boys
[03:32] <nikolam> cul8r :)
[03:38] <_kinch> I've installed compiz on xubuntu 8.04
[03:38] <_kinch> how can i make compiz auto start on login?
[03:47] <rerobins> how is xfce starting up compiz everytime i reboot?
[03:47] <rerobins> it's not in the autostart apps list
[06:24] <jeezyme> hi guys, will xub run fine in a pentium3 pc with 128mb ram?
[06:54] <favro> be little slow but'll run - you'll need the alternate installer with so little ram
[06:54] <favro> !alternate
[07:31] <xxploit> anyone here using packagekit-gnome? Seems to error for me when launching
[09:27] <pedrito> Hello, I will test today the installation of Xubuntu 8.04 into a Old IBM Thinkpad600. I will let you know of the progression and problems found if any! Cheers, Pedrito
[10:50] <iMax> is xubuntu 8.10 going to be released on the 29th or the 30th?
[10:51] <TheSheep> !8.10
[10:51] <iMax> thx :)
[10:51] <iMax> any idea if the release candidate is going to be the final or will there be an update?
[10:55] <batcoder-7> anyone up ?
[10:59] <pedrito> no idea!
[11:00]  * mnemoc thinks everyone is sit
[11:04] <batcoder-7> how can  i get gimp 2.6 ?
[11:05] <iMax> probably waiting for 8.10 and installing it?
[11:06] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: many ways, you can download the source and compile it, you can look for a deb, you can install it from Intrepid's repos...
[11:07] <batcoder-7> i prefer to not compile it myself
[11:09] <batcoder-7> hmmm
[11:09] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: getdeb.net
[11:09] <batcoder-7> i mean i want to be able ot update my system etc
[11:10] <batcoder-7> will doing this cause any conflicts ?
[11:10] <TheSheep> yu can compile it and install in your home directory, and then delete when you update to intrepid
[11:10] <batcoder-7> just curious when is that going to be released ?
[11:10] <TheSheep> 30th
[11:10] <TheSheep> this month
[11:10] <batcoder-7> so in 1 day ?
[11:10] <TheSheep> depends on timezone :)
[11:11] <batcoder-7> usa east coast
[11:11] <Tokorona> oh, that's cool.
[11:11] <Tokorona> I'll be able to run update on my laptop tommorow.
[11:11] <Tokorona> .. well, Friday.
[11:12] <batcoder-7> so really if i want gimp 2.6 i should just wait a day ?
[11:12] <batcoder-7> will that be released with it ?
[11:12] <batcoder-7> i am using i htink 8.10 now
[11:12] <TheSheep> 8.10 has gimp 2.6.3
[11:13] <batcoder-7> oh?
[11:13] <TheSheep> 2.6.1
[11:13] <TheSheep> sorry
[11:13] <batcoder-7> how do i find what version i am running ?
[11:14] <perforate> lost minimze,maximize and close on all/any windows...how do I getthem back?
[11:15] <batcoder-7> i think i am running 8.10
[11:16] <pedrito> installing into IBM thinkpad600 error message: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 189790...
[11:16] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: apt-cache policy gimp
[11:17] <TheSheep> pedrito: physically damaged disk
[11:17] <pedrito> installing into IBM thinkpad600 error message: SQUASHFS error
[11:17] <pedrito> the hard disk?
[11:17] <TheSheep> pedrito: check your cd for defects
[11:17] <pedrito> ok
[11:17] <pedrito> thanks
[11:17] <batcoder-7> i had the same error
[11:17] <TheSheep> pedrito: no idea what sr0 is
[11:17] <batcoder-7> i used a different cd drive and it worked
[11:17] <batcoder-7> prolly a messed up cd and the other one read it better
[11:17] <pedrito> I will try a new CD.
[11:18] <batcoder-7> TheSheep:  Installed: 2.4.5-1ubuntu2
[11:18] <batcoder-7>   Candidate: 2.4.5-1ubuntu2
[11:18] <TheSheep> burn it with the slowest speed possible
[11:18] <batcoder-7> i used 16x
[11:18] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: then it's not 8.10, probably 8.04
[11:18] <pedrito> I will try that solution... I have burn it at 8x... probably too fast for the CD-RW I am using currently
[11:20] <perforate> there is probably a simple fix to this
[11:20] <batcoder-7> TheSheep: so in a day or so i can upgrade to 8.10 and yea it will have it ?
[11:20] <perforate> but I can't find it
[11:21] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: yes
[11:21] <batcoder-7> ok
[11:21] <batcoder-7> i will just wait then
[11:21] <batcoder-7> just curious how do i upgrade ?
[11:21] <batcoder-7> in a day or so i am new to xubuntu
[11:22] <perforate> alright gotta go, bbl
[11:22] <panmeng> anybody in china
[11:23] <TheSheep> !zh | panmeng
[11:23] <panmeng> thank you
[11:25] <daethshadow> panmeng:HI
[11:25] <panmeng> hi
[11:51] <batcoder-7> does xubuntu come with alot of Gnome libs as well ?
[12:05] <batcoder-7> will the new open office make it for the release tomorrow ?
[12:16] <web_knows> hi :)
[12:17] <TheSheep> batcoder-7: it's in the repo
[12:25] <MrNaz> if you've disabled hal polling on a device with hal-disable-polling how do you reenable it ?
[12:34] <notgood> hello, what is the best browser for an old pc ( something light and fast)
[12:36] <TheSheep> lynx
[12:36] <MrNaz> notgood depends how light you need.... epiphany is good
[12:37] <notgood> rofl TheSheep , ok not so..
[12:37] <MrNaz> if you need lighter, then fluxbuntu might be the os for you... it comes with super lightweight apps
[12:37] <notgood> MrNaz, actually I have to experience on epiphany nor skipstone. ( something between these two?)
[12:38] <TheSheep> epiphany with webkit might be good too
[12:38] <notgood> ok people thanks a lot.
[12:38] <xxploit> midori is probably better than epiphany-webkit
[12:38] <xxploit> epiphany-webkit cant even open new windows in tabs
[14:31] <SkullJky> How do I disable the touchpad on my eeepc so that I can type without having to worry about bumping it? (preferably a keyboard action to switch it on and off)
[14:32] <TheSheep> SkullJky: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/disable-touchpad-temporarily-when-typing/
[14:37] <mnemoc> and I can't get mine working since I updated :\
[14:39] <SkullJky> thx
[14:56] <masque7> \join #ubuntu
[14:57] <vinnl> :P
[14:57] <masque7> heh
[15:04] <dissociative> does xubuntu comes with software for using video capture devices?
[15:05] <TheSheep> no
[15:05] <vinnl> Not by default I believe
[15:05] <TheSheep> you need to install it yourself
[15:05] <TheSheep> form the repositories
[15:05] <dissociative> I need to test an analog pci capture card because it makes the kernel to crash with a another distro
[15:06] <dissociative> that is already installed in the hdd
[15:06] <dissociative> I'm now in livecd mode with xubuntu
[15:06] <vinnl> You can install stuff while in LiveCD mode
[15:06] <vinnl> It just won't be preserved
[15:06] <vinnl> (After shutdown)
[15:17] <iMax> hmm, where can I enable the restricted drivers?
[15:17] <iMax> I had an icon before the last update, but after the reboot not anymore
[15:18] <vinnl> iMax, applications->system->hardware drivers
[15:18] <TheSheep> iMax: system->hardware drivers
[15:18] <vinnl> Or Restricted Drivers manager, depending on your Xubuntu version
[15:18] <iMax> the hardware drivers just tells me that there are no restricted drivers in use
[15:19] <iMax> and I do not seem to have a restricted drivers manager
[15:19] <vinnl> But if any are available you can enable them there
[15:19] <vinnl> Restricted Drivers Manager = Hardware Drivers
[15:19] <TheSheep> iMax: maybe they were inmplemented in the new kernel
[15:19] <vinnl> It was renamed
[15:19] <iMax> vinnl: no, but I think there should be, because I had that icon in the panel
[15:20] <iMax> TheSheep: but shouldn't I see them anywhere?
[15:20] <TheSheep> iMax: them?
[15:20] <iMax> or the driver, sorry :)
[15:20] <TheSheep> iMax: which driver?
[15:21] <iMax> nvidia, iirc ... just installed it on some older server I have here
[15:23] <iMax> I'll probably just use synaptic and see where I end up :)
[15:27] <dissociative> do I have to unmount manually paritions in xubuntu? If I try to unmount them from the partition manager they seem to be remounted instead
[15:27] <vinnl> dissociative, you can disable automounting
[15:27] <vinnl> ...using the "Removable Drives and Media" settings
[15:28] <[1]masque7> uh my partitioner is stuck at 46%
[15:28] <vinnl> For how long now/
[15:29] <vinnl> *?
[15:29] <masque7> 5+ mins
[15:29] <masque7> might reboot and try again
[15:29] <vinnl> Oh, that should work out I guess
[15:29] <vinnl> Is your internet connection working?
[15:30] <bytor4232> Well, I solved my avant window navigator problem in Xubuntu.  Well,not really solved...
[15:30] <masque7> vinnl, my internet connection?
[15:30] <bytor4232> I'm using Cairo, however I had to download the one from the website, the one in the repos isn't built right.
[15:31] <vinnl> masque7, yeah, I believe some people had troubles when installing with a failing internet connection configured (troubles in the sense that it paused for a while at a certain percentage)
[15:31] <vinnl> That's all I know about it though
[15:34] <TheSheep> the installer is a bit opaque
[15:41] <masque7> vinnl: bit of a stretch over to the router
[15:41] <masque7> plus i don't have it in a case yet :P
[15:41] <vinnl> :P
[15:41] <vinnl> Is it still not continuing
[15:41] <vinnl> *?
[15:41] <masque7> should be fine installing without an internet connection now
[15:42] <masque7> eh i rebooted
[15:42] <vinnl> Ah :P
[15:42] <masque7> if it gets stuck on 46% again i'll either use the alt.cd or hook it into the router haha
[15:42] <wormsxulla> hi. someone mentionned an alternative to network-manager the other day, something like "wsip" or something, but i can't find it in synaptic nor remember the correct name
[15:43] <vinnl> wicd?
[15:43] <wormsxulla> ah, that is it, thank you
[15:43] <vinnl> np :)
[15:44] <wormsxulla> not in synaptic though :-(
[15:44] <vinnl> wormsxulla, see http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[15:44] <vinnl> It has instructionsfor Ubuntu (which also apply to Xubuntu)
[15:45] <dissociative> the capture cards seem to work without problems
[15:46] <vinnl> \o/
[15:46] <wormsxulla> vinnl: thanks again
[15:46] <vinnl> wormsxulla, sure thing :)
[15:47] <[1]masque7> i don't think my little 1ghz duron can handle the livecd lol
[15:51] <dissociative> is there a way to see if dri is working without glxinfo?
[15:55] <dissociative> oops looks like I got a kernel crash too
[16:10] <dissociative> anyone knows how can I limit the display refresh rate for all video modes without having to restart the X server, because I use 60Hz and when I run a game in fullscreen under wine the refresh rate changes to 85Hz and it gives me a different display geometry
[16:11] <TheSheep> dissociative: xrand maybe...
[16:17] <dissociative> looks like xrandr cannot force a specific refresh rate
[16:35] <nonie> hello guys
[16:45] <knome> how can i mount an iso, if while mounting i get an error of bad option, superblock, etc...
[16:46] <TheSheep> knome: then it's not an iso
[16:46] <knome> TheSheep, but it is. i've ripped it with brasero from a cd
[16:47] <TheSheep> knome: what command did you use exactly?
[16:47] <knome> TheSheep, mounting? mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mount/point
[16:49] <knome> TheSheep, this is an audio cd with some kind of copy protection.
[16:49] <knome> TheSheep, and a data track
[16:51] <knome> ehh....
[16:51] <knome> this explains a lot
[16:51] <knome> the iso file is 0 bits
[16:51] <knome> wtf?
[16:55] <TheSheep> knome: audio cds don't have a filesystem on them
[16:55] <TheSheep> knome: you can't mount them
[16:55] <knome> a-ha... even if they had a data track?
[16:55] <TheSheep> no idea
[16:56] <pedrito> Xubuntu can be successfully installed in a IBM Thinkpad 600! The only hardware not recognized in the sound card, what is not a big deal.
[16:56] <pedrito> Thanks for the help provided.
[17:16] <aLeSD____> hi all
[17:17] <aLeSD____> I installed the 8.10 on an eeepc 701
[17:17] <aLeSD____> but ... there are windows that simply are larger than the screen
[17:17] <aLeSD____> and I can't resize them smaller
[17:18] <aLeSD____> is there a way to resize them ?
[17:18] <knome> aLeSD____, you can move them with alt+drag. you can also restrict the amount of underscores in your nick with /nick
[17:19] <aLeSD____> lol
[17:19] <aLeSD_> ok
[17:20] <aLeSD_> well ... knome do u know if ubuntu (with gnome ) resizes them automatically ?
[17:20] <aLeSD_> I'm scared ... for the performace ...
[17:20] <knome> i don't think it does.
[17:20] <aLeSD_> ..mmm..
[17:21] <aLeSD_> ok ... just another question
[17:21] <aLeSD_> I'd like xubuntu
[17:21] <aLeSD_> but minimaler than it ... I mean no thunderbird, no abiword
[17:21] <aLeSD_> is it possible ?
[17:22] <knome> aLeSD_, you can use the minimal cd.
[17:22] <aLeSD_> knome: is there for the rc ?
[17:22] <knome> ?
[17:22] <knome> the 8.10 is released tomorrow. you can wait the new minimal.
[17:22] <aLeSD_> lol ... you right
[17:23] <aLeSD_> knome thanks and bye
[17:23] <knome> yw.
[17:33] <ramses-sv> hey guys, Is there a planet for Xubuntu? something like ubuntuweblogs.org?
[17:39] <knome> ramses-sv, i don't think there is.
[17:39] <knome> ramses-sv, the xubuntu developers/committers don't write a lot of blogs currently/yet
[17:41] <ramses-sv> :D thanks knome
[17:44] <vinnl> knome, I'm subscribed to quite a few Xubuntu-related blogs :)
[17:44] <vinnl> Though most are not that active...
[17:44] <knome> vinnl, we might set up a list.
[17:44] <vinnl> knome, I've made a Yahoo! Pipe :)\
[17:45] <knome> vinnl, i've also been thinking that i might set up my own, or write about xubuntu as part of my blog
[17:45] <vinnl> knome, what's your blog>
[17:45] <vinnl> *?
[17:46] <knome> vinnl, http://knome.fi/ and partly http://alshain.fi/blogi but they're (still) both in finnish.
[17:47] <knome> vinnl, after i have time to update them once again, i'll also write in english.
[17:48] <vinnl> knome, if you create a separate feed for that, please ping me :)
[17:49] <knome> i can create, once i've done updating
[17:49] <ILoveYouMan> hi guys
[17:49] <knome> hello.
[17:49] <vinnl> !hi
[17:49] <ILoveYouMan> :D
[17:50] <ILoveYouMan> umm, I have a question about xubuntu....
[17:50] <vinnl> !ask
[17:50] <ILoveYouMan> now, i haven't actually installed it yet, but I am planning to this weekend
[17:50] <vinnl> :)
[17:52] <ILoveYouMan> so, I was reading about adding commands and stuff on bootup
[17:52] <ILoveYouMan> I was wondering how you get to access the screen that will allow you to do this on bootup?  I can't see it mentioned anywhere on the help site......
[17:53] <ILoveYouMan> perhaps i've missed something really obvious though...
[17:54] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, what do you want to do that for?
[17:54] <vinnl> Are they the commands for the LiveCD or for an installed system?
[17:54] <ILoveYouMan> on the installed system
[17:55] <ILoveYouMan> for example.....it says that on some power pc's that you may need to add a boot argument to get the graphics to be displayed properly
[17:55] <vinnl> It depends on whether you have more OS's installed
[17:57] <yotux> how can I change the resolution of the login screen?
[17:58] <ILoveYouMan> i'm going to be installing on a G4 iBook, so would I be correct in saying that dapper drake is the latest version that supports iBooks?
[17:58] <vinnl> yotux, it should have the same resolution as when you are logged in?
[17:58] <vinnl> yotux, coincidentally, you don't happen to just see the top left-hand corner?
[17:58] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, IIRC all do, but the latest unofficially
[17:58] <yotux> I have a buggy acer monitor native is 1440 x 900 the lcd is only taking 1280 x 800
[17:58] <ILoveYouMan> oh
[17:59] <yotux> I set the desktop to 1280 x 800  no the login screen sit sits at what I assume 1440 x 900
[18:00] <yotux> do I have to play with the xorg.conf file?
[18:00] <yotux> vinnl I don't see the buttons on the bottom of the screen
[18:00] <ILoveYouMan> vinn1 - I don't suppose that it would do any harm to see if I could get dapper drake up and running first then, if I wanted to, I could installed hardy heron after that?
[18:00] <vinnl> yotux, and only part of the login box?
[18:00] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, sure, you can overwrite or upgrade immediately
[18:01] <yotux> no I see most of the login box
[18:01] <ILoveYouMan> cool
[18:01] <ILoveYouMan> I think that I'll do that then and see how I go
[18:01] <vinnl> yotux, I'm not sure, but you might be experiencing a bug I experienced before as well
[18:01] <cephi> does anyone know how i can get the taskbar to disappear completely when it autohides (rather than the default, where it still shows a millimeter or two)?
[18:01] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, good luck :)
[18:01] <ILoveYouMan> sorry, one more thing - do you know if dapper drake will automatically detect all my hardware for me?
[18:01] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, one can only hope, but you could see if the LiveCD runs well :)
[18:01] <yotux> vinnl - my acer AL1916W has allot of issues when search in google
[18:01] <vinnl> yotux, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[18:02] <yotux> 8.10
[18:02] <ILoveYouMan> i guess
[18:02] <ILoveYouMan> thanks
[18:02] <vinnl> np
[18:02] <vinnl> yotux, oh, then I thought it'd had to be solved
[18:03] <vinnl> yotux, unfortunately display is not my thing...
[18:03] <yotux> it ok thankz
[18:04] <vinnl> !resolution | yotux
[18:05] <ILoveYouMan> vinn1 - have you ever used fluxbuntu?
[18:07] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, not really, I have installed fluxbox once but not used it extensively
[18:07] <bytor4232> Well, I'm giving up on the dock.  Cairo is nice and all, but now it isn't foccusing windows.  Its switching, just not foccusing.
[18:07] <ILoveYouMan> ah right
[18:08] <ILoveYouMan> do you know of any other good distros of ubuntu that would work on my iBook G4 at all?
[18:08] <cephi> that millimeter of dirty grey at the bottom of my beautiful black screen, it's slowly killing me
[18:08] <ILoveYouMan> something that doesn't require lots of RAM
[18:09] <bytor4232> ILoveYouMan, did you try Xubuntu?
[18:09] <ILoveYouMan> yeah, i was looking at that one too
[18:10] <vinnl> ILoveYouMan, if one does I suppose all Ubuntu derivatives do
[18:10] <ILoveYouMan> well, i haven't got round to installing it yet, bytor
[18:10] <vinnl> bytor4232, you don't want to try alternatives to Cairo?
[18:10] <cephi> i can't take it anymore i'm throwing this machine out the window
[18:10] <ILoveYouMan> but i am reading up on them at the moment
[18:10] <bytor4232> I love xubuntu.  I run it on everything from my 800 mhz media center pc, to my dual core 3.0ghz
[18:10] <vinnl> My PC juts got upgraded but I'm sticking with Xubuntu :)
[18:11] <ILoveYouMan> basically I'm looking for something easy to install and will allow me to get online with my iBook G4
[18:11] <ILoveYouMan> do you think xubuntu is the best for that?
[18:11] <bytor4232> vinnl, I like avant window navigator a lot, but it doesn't work right under xubuntu.  It moves windows to the current desktop rather than switching to said desk.
[18:11] <bytor4232> Cairo works pretty well, but its got way too many config options, and for some odd reason is switching desktops, but not foccusing windows.
[18:12] <bytor4232> Avant works great under compiz, but I don wanna run compiz.
[18:12] <vinnl> bytor4232, well, there are more alternatives...
[18:12] <vinnl> bytor4232, and Xfce has its own compositor as well that can make AWN run :)
[18:12] <bytor4232> yes, but awn doesn't work right under xfce 4.2
[18:13] <vinnl> :(
[18:14] <bytor4232> er
[18:14] <bytor4232> xfce 4.4.  Right.
[18:35] <huyhoa> Hello, I installed wifi driver by ndiswrapper, it said driver is installed, but my wireless still doesn't work after rebooting. My wireless card is AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter, and I'm using 8.04
[18:36] <vinnl> Have you configured it?
[18:38] <huyhoa> No, my Ubuntu regconizes it  but it is unclaimed when I lshw.
[18:39] <huyhoa> Here's my result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64224/
[18:39] <MoonlitFate> I was wondering if anyone could help with partitioning a hard drive to dual-boot Windows XP and Xubuntu.   I would only have to install Xubuntu, and I would have to manually partition out my hard-drive...and I'm just confused abotu it.
[19:04] <Guma> Will 8.10 support ati drivers out of the box ot will you have to install them manually
[19:16] <Angel_Inside> hey!
[19:17] <Angel_Inside> I'm thinking of installing Xubuntu Hardy on a PIII 800Mhz 128Mb RAM
[19:17] <Angel_Inside> is it enough hard?
[19:18] <Angel_Inside> hardware*
[19:27] <bytor4232> Angel_Inside, It is for xubuntu, but you may have to use the alternative installer.
[19:30] <bytor4232> Angel_Inside, I would still surf around for some more ram.  You could pick some up fairly cheap to get you to 512
[19:33] <Angel_Inside> bytor4232: Yes, of course, I'm waiting for a 256Mb RAM I bought thruogh ebay
[19:34] <Angel_Inside> bytor4232: When it arrives, I'll test if the three slots of my mother are working and if yes I'll but another 526Mb module
[19:34] <bytor4232> cool.
[19:34] <Angel_Inside> bytor4232: but now I have some spare time and I'd like to knowif it was possible
[19:34] <bytor4232> you should be able to install xubuntu no problem, but like I said, you may have to use the alt installer.
[19:34] <Angel_Inside> bytor4232: and after that
[19:34] <Angel_Inside> will it run properly?
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> at least for  a week or so
[19:35] <bytor4232> sure
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> (I hope my new memory arrives earlier...
[19:35] <bytor4232> it may be a little slow, but yea it will run properly.
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> good
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> now I'm working under Zenwalk in that comp
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> but I'd like to try Xubuntu
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> thank you so much!
[19:35] <Angel_Inside> byebye!
[19:35] <bytor4232> laters
[19:36] <bytor4232> come back any time
[19:36] <Angel_Inside> thx
[19:36] <Angel_Inside> byebye!
[20:00] <vmlemon_> Hi knome
[20:01] <knome> hello vmlemon_ o/
[20:08] <Guest49472> hi how do i kill an app using the command line
[20:08] <knome> kill [pid]
[20:19] <FauLi> hi, is already announced when 8.10 stable will be released? thx :)
[20:19] <knome> FauLi, tomorrow
[20:19] <pleia2> FauLi: tomorrow
[20:20] <FauLi> :O thanks, great
[20:30] <giacomo> ciao
[20:30] <giacomo> hellooo
[20:30] <knome> !hi
[20:31] <giacomo> could you please take a look to my bootchart report? My boot is horribly long and the cause is readahead, but I don't know what to do or where I should search for the solution http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hardy200810292ut1.png
[20:36] <DaveDixonII> When is it gonna be released? Im so waiting forever for this one. :)
[20:37] <TheSheep> DaveDixonII: tomorrow
[20:38] <DaveDixonII> That really makes no sence. It said 'one' yesterday.
[20:39] <TheSheep> it still does
[20:39] <TheSheep> wrong timezone?
[20:39] <DaveDixonII> the counter usually changes around this time
[20:40] <DaveDixonII> Ubuntu changed to 1 around 8pm last night
[20:41] <TheSheep> well, the release is shcedulet at 3th
[20:41] <TheSheep> 30th
[20:41] <knome> DaveDixonII, the actual release is kind of subject to many things
[20:41] <knome> DaveDixonII, and possible varies between the distributions
[20:43] <ghetek> hey guys, im on 8.04 how do i upgrade to 8.10?
[20:43] <DaveDixonII> Thats what i was just asking (sorta)
[20:44] <ghetek> yeah i really want nagios3 but ints only in intrepid repos
[20:44] <mnemoc> ghetek: sudo update-manager -d
[20:44] <ghetek> what if im remote and i can only access command line?
[20:44] <DaveDixonII> TheSheep: if it is to be released tomarrow then the counter is wrong.
[20:45] <knome> DaveDixonII, how so?
[20:45] <mnemoc> do-release-upgrade -d ?
[20:46] <DaveDixonII> If it says 'one' still and it changed to 'one' yesterday around this time, you should either go by hour (which honestly sucks) or by just day
[20:46] <ghetek> yay its working!
[20:47] <ghetek> does do-release-upgrade automatically change all my sources.list entries?
[20:48] <mnemoc> I hope so :p
[20:48] <ghetek> lol
[20:52] <ghetek> 25% getting nervous, going out for a smoke.
[21:01] <utomega> hey
[21:01] <vinnl> !hi
[21:04] <utomega> :), 8.10 will be out soon eh, could anyone tell me that command again, which I should type when 8.10 is released.
[21:05] <perforate> in desperate need of help, much frustrated
[21:05] <utomega> :o
[21:05] <perforate> lost maimize,minimize and exit icons on all windows
[21:05] <perforate> not sure how I did it
[21:06] <perforate> new to linux
[21:06] <perforate> any takres
[21:06] <perforate> takers
[21:07] <utomega> I can't help, sry
[21:07] <perforate> how do I find out what my decorator is?
[21:11] <vinnl> utomega, you can just open Applications->System->Update Manager
[21:11] <vinnl> utomega, it will tell you that a new release is available and ask you if you want to upgrade
[21:11] <utomega> ty
[21:40] <floating> http://yabblog.com/2008/10/29/faces-behind-linux/
[21:46] <yotux> anyone have any idea howto change resolution in GDM?
[21:47] <ghetek> you should mozy on over to #ubuntu
[21:48] <yotux> don't we use gdm as our login manager
[21:48] <vinnl> Yep, we do
[21:48] <yotux> I am running xubuntu but my login res is not correct out of sync
[21:49] <ghetek> oh! thought you were asking a "gubuntu" question]
[21:49] <yotux> its ok
[21:49] <yotux> I was going to edit xorg but that file is not used with xorg 7.4
[21:49] <mnemoc> yotux: xrandr's recommended resolution
[21:50] <cephi> does anyone know how i can get the taskbar to disappear completely when it autohides, instead of showing a sliver still?
[21:50] <yotux> mnemoc:  I don;t understand
[21:50] <yotux> will try googling
[21:51] <DaveDixonII> Is there any major problems with the current release candidate?
[21:51] <ghetek> guys, i like to use xubuntu as a basic os for my servers because i still like the option to vnc in wvery now and then. if i do a ctrl + alt + f1 when i leave the server itself am i saving any resources?
[21:52] <vinnl> DaveDixonII, hopefully not, it's scheduled to be released tomorrow ;-)
[21:52] <DaveDixonII> And i really cannot wait
[21:53] <ghetek> DaveDixonII: i just took the intrepid upgrade plunge less than an hour ago and its still installing, so far nothing look wrong.
[21:53] <vinnl> DaveDixonII, it's a good idea to download now, because tomorrow there's likely a rush for it
[21:53] <vinnl> cephi, have you googled?
[21:54] <ghetek> DaveDixonII: do-release-upgrade -d
[21:54] <DaveDixonII> i need to do a complete reinstall
[21:54] <DaveDixonII> i do that everytime. :)
[21:54] <ghetek> mmm
[21:55] <cephi> vinnl, i have, and have learned a great deal that way about taskbar issues that are unfortunately unrelated
[21:55] <ghetek> i understand. on my windows computer if i get a big error i format it. if i dont i will always feel that my os is somehow flawed because i had to fix it at some point
[21:57] <vinnl> cephi, too bad :(
[21:57] <vinnl> cephi, you could ask at the Xfce mailinglist
[21:57] <ghetek> guys, if i run a "command > dump.txt" what happens if that command needs a prompt?
[21:57] <cephi> i suppose so
[22:01] <vinnl> ghetek, try it out :P
[22:04]  * [SoundMan] bye bye
[22:12] <batcoder-7> so the new xubuntu comes out tomorrow right ?
[22:16] <DCPom> !intrepid
[22:17] <DCPom> looks like it
[22:18] <vinnl> Yep, it does
[22:25] <batcoder-7> will open office 3 be included?
[22:27] <cody-somerville> no
[22:27] <vinnl> ...but you can install it
[23:08] <nunu> Hi, a friend of mine has an old pc with xp installed. I want to install xubuntu on his system but I really don't know if he has got enaugh ram =) the requirements say that there have to be 192mb to install, if I would have less would it still work ?
[23:12] <nunu> already found the alternate cd =)
[23:12] <nunu> gn8
[23:17] <batcoder-7> vinnl: how ?
[23:18] <vinnl> batcoder-7, just Google for installing openoffice 3 in ubuntu :)
[23:36] <Pedrito> What is for you the easiest environment to learn and practice C programming?
[23:53] <batcoder-7> will installing openoffice 3 manually mess with my package manager
[23:53] <batcoder-7> future updates?
[23:53] <batcoder-7> next 8.10 update etc ?