=== maco_ is now known as maco [01:11] just realized i only have about 25 non triaged non incomplete bugs [01:11] out of 526 :) === paul__ is now known as Elbrus [01:50] persia, ping [02:10] hi everyone [02:11] i'm a cs student looking to get involved with bug fixing. i was wondering if anyone knew of a resource i cold contact [02:11] could*** [02:16] well, he was fast... fast in and fast out === woody86_ is now known as woody86 [04:30] NetworkManager has totaly screwed up in the latest update, it doesn't even run dhclient when booting up and even if I restart NM manually, the applet still shows no wired connections activated [04:47] ubunti 8.10 woohooo === graydog is now known as graydot === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [06:34] good morning [06:35] hiya [06:45] good morning [06:47] good morning dholbach [06:47] hi thekorn [06:52] hi dholbach [06:52] hi maco [06:53] so, for QA stuff, laserjock and i were talking about our utter lack of unit tests. so i started a set of wiki pages to write up test cases for us to do manually. they can eventually be turned into automated ones, i suppose, but at least we'll have the specs for when that time comes [06:53] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApplicationTesting [06:57] if anyone wants to help write up things that need to be tested repeatedly during unstable to ensure a minimal set of functionality...feel free [06:59] tjaalton: about the joysticks...if they wont be evdev, how will they be handled? [07:00] maco: just like before [07:00] ie. games work [07:01] if you want to use them as pointer devices, wait for the patch to hal that mjg59 posted [07:01] then x-x-i-joystick only needs to check for input.joystick devices, not the product id [07:02] tjaalton: do you need to set them up in xorg.conf? [07:02] maco: with those updates, no [07:02] tjaalton: awesome! will update post [07:02] tjaalton: wacom's still screwed though, right? [07:02] I'm not sure if the hal patch will be SRU'd, but hope so [07:03] maco: yes, you can only initialize the device with one set of parameters when using input-hotplug [07:03] so the driver needs some love [07:04] tjaalton: updated version ok? [07:06] YABC, a sec [07:07] yabc? [07:07] yet-another-browser-crash [07:07] just invented it myself ;) [07:08] gotcha [07:09] maco: yep, looks fine [07:09] kk thanks === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [10:30] I know this is probably gonna be a pain, but I've just got up, intending to upgrade ubuntu while I am out today, any reason why upgrade manager ain't showing the update option? [10:30] 'cause it's not released yet? Also, probably better asked on #ubuntu+1, I'd wager :) [10:31] Was under the impression it's out today [10:31] Of course it doesn't mean 9AM today [10:31] Just wondered [10:32] niadh: Watch #ubuntu+1. It's not out yet, but should be out some time today. [10:32] Yeah. It'll be out sometime today, barring huge last minute problems. [10:32] niadh: Also #ubuntu-release-party [11:15] asac: ping [11:16] morning [11:16] good morning [11:17] BUGabundo_work: hey ;) [11:17] downloading intrepid rc atm -- 8.04 is running really slow for me so i think its time for some spring cleaning [11:17] BUGabundo_work: got my messages? [11:17] not yet [11:17] BUGabundo_work: look in mail + bug ;) [11:17] I publish one of my passwords online! [11:18] BUGabundo_work: he? [11:18] took most of the morning to change my old passwords [11:18] BUGabundo_work: oh :) [11:18] and now I'm in meetings [11:18] didn't even had time to turn laptop on [11:18] BUGabundo_work: yeah. ok anyway ... PPA version should work. [11:18] BUGabundo_work: i gave hints how to workaround without that patch in bug [11:18] * BUGabundo_work opens ubuntu mailbox [11:19] s/PPA version/new PPA version/ [11:21] * BUGabundo_work laptop booting [11:42] is anyone getting "floating point exception" on skype 64bits? [11:48] asac: sorry to say, but VPN still won't work after the update! [11:48] do I need to reboot? [11:49] BUGabundo_work: depends [11:49] BUGabundo_work: which -pptp version do you have installed now? [11:50] BUGabundo_work: does the workaround work for you? [11:50] for me stuff works now [11:50] PPA version of course [11:51] BUGabundo_work: which ;)? [11:51] haven't read it yet [11:51] brb [11:51] user probs [11:54] $ apt-cache show network-manager-pptp [11:54] Architecture: amd64 [11:54] Version: 0.7~~svn20081015t024626-0ubuntu2~nm2 [11:54] BUGabundo_work: works for me [11:55] i am currently connected [11:55] BUGabundo_work: i had to select MPPE [11:55] thats all [11:55] I have it on [11:55] and dont use password [11:55] because that doesnt work [11:55] BUGabundo_work: dump your connection [11:55] create a new one [11:55] most likely you tweaked something else [11:55] 1st thing I did [11:56] the ballon won't even show up... [11:56] it desapears in less then half a sec [11:56] which balloon? [11:56] the FAILED connection [11:56] well. i think you have other issues then. what error do you get in syslog now? [11:57] just tested to a 2nd vpn and it also failed! [11:57] let me tail it [11:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64567/ [11:58] nothing there! [11:59] BUGabundo_work: you should really get to a clean state [11:59] ok [11:59] wipe keyring stuff [11:59] and such [11:59] what do I need? [11:59] you need to have a new password dialog triggered [11:59] not sure [11:59] rm /etc ? [12:00] ROFL [12:00] i dont know [12:00] really [12:00] apt-get remove --purge nm * [12:00] no [12:00] you need to remove your keyring stuff [12:00] open seahorse [12:00] and remove stuff from there [12:00] all passwords and things [12:00] and also dont fill the password in the connection editor [12:00] ok [12:00] the ONLY key there as been removed [12:01] well [12:01] then ensure that you dont have a password in the connection [12:01] at best dump it again [12:01] deleting VPNs and doing new ones [12:01] wait.. [12:01] I'm going to boot livecd [12:01] just fill in username gateway and no passord [12:01] and test from there [12:01] BUGabundo_work: no need to [12:01] no ? [12:01] you just need get back to a state you always had yesterday [12:01] i am sure you can figure that out [12:02] i mean that you get asked for password and such [12:02] and that there is actually a connect attempt in the log [12:02] the package certainly didnt change anything in this regard [12:02] no need for domain?? [12:02] I'm entereing it! [12:02] BUGabundo_work: yes domain is ok [12:02] BUGabundo_work: if you read bug/mail you see how you can encode that in the username though [12:02] CAPS or lower case? [12:03] ... which allows you to use it without the ppa package [12:03] BUGabundo_work: domain? here its caps [12:03] * BUGabundo checks LP bugmil [12:03] windows uses it as CAPS [12:03] BUGabundo_work: i think it even works here without a domain ;) [12:04] does it escape passwords correctly? [12:04] what do i know [12:04] * BUGabundo connetcing [12:04] my password was simple enough [12:04] * BUGabundo VPN Connection Failed [12:04] that error is unimportant [12:04] you need to get the ssylog as always [12:05] LCP terminated by peer (;'w^I^@ I guess this is it now [12:05] BUGabundo_work: yeah. .. thats MPPE [12:05] BUGabundo_work: yeah [12:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64569/ [12:05] enable MPPE ... at least that made it work here [12:06] * BUGabundo makes MPPE on... forgot last time [12:06] BUGabundo_work: cool. also i just verified. at least my account works without domain :) [12:06] but also with domain or with domain encoded in username [12:06] e.g. DOMAIN\username or username@DOMAIN [12:08] yeah [12:08] it should work [12:08] hey... my messages didn't came [12:08] IT WORKSSSSS [12:08] cool ;) [12:08] BUGabundo_work: so passwords get properly encoded [12:08] gtk [12:09] BUGabundo_work: now please test WPA-Enterprise ;) [12:09] i think the problem with the password in the settings directly needs to be dealt too [12:09] not there! [12:09] but i can figure that ;) [12:09] only tonight when I get to Universaty [12:09] can we make MPPE on by default? [12:10] BUGabundo_work: not sure :/ [12:10] i mean technically for sure [12:10] not sure what is wanted [12:10] 2nd vpn is failing [12:11] BUGabundo_work: which error? [12:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64573 [12:12] BUGabundo_work: but it succeeds first right? [12:12] i mean it gets ip an all [12:12] * BUGabundo hates when VPNs disconect IRC [12:12] diff VPNs [12:12] not the company anymore [12:12] its the univ VPN now [12:12] I think I can talk to the admin to get you an account too [12:13] BUGabundo_work: maybe try options first [12:13] MPPE disabled [12:13] why did it got disable? [12:13] BUGabundo_work: you definitly connected and got an IP [12:13] nm-pptp-service-4519 warn[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:331]: short read (-1): Message too long [12:13] BUGabundo_work: yeah. thats most likely the reason why its disconnecting [12:13] the MPPE disabled stuff is most likely just output when shutting down [12:15] BUGabundo_work: is the gateway and stuff correct? [12:15] looks a bit "simple" :) [12:16] * BUGabundo_work checking [12:16] * BUGabundo asking the Univ network admin for VPN logs [12:17] also a bit strange that the second DNS comes from a complete different net: [12:17] 192.168.62.8 <-> 10.0.0.1 [12:17] VPN is now on! [12:18] tried a mirror server [12:18] ok. so bogus vpn server [12:18] BUGabundo_work: please talk to admin [12:18] talking [12:18] and figure out if its a misconfiguration and if it is figure out if windows users are affected or if they have more magic [12:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64576 Success [12:19] BUGabundo_work: yay ;) [12:19] good stuff [12:19] BUGabundo_work: do you remember how the domain/username encoding looks like in a windows login box? [12:19] BUGabundo_work: is it like DOMAIN\user ... or DOMAIN\\user ? [12:20] i think i saw that once ... but thats years ago :( [12:20] retested inicial server and it failed again [12:20] its a server setting I guess [12:21] mirror server works [12:21] but requires MPPE [12:21] DOMAIN\user single slash on windows [12:21] BUGabundo_work: so the other doesnt require MPPE? [12:21] user@DOMAIN also valid [12:21] BUGabundo_work: try to disable it then (though i guess thats obvious to test ;)) [12:21] BUGabundo_work: ok cool [12:21] thanks [12:21] (domain encoding) [12:21] BUGabundo_work: yes know that @ is the modern way [12:22] * BUGabundo_work testing all 3 servers without MPPE [12:22] but most likely it will never be THE standard way ... as always ;) [12:22] BUGabundo_work: i think the first already failed right? [12:22] oh sorry [12:22] * asac confuses work/school [12:23] School server 1 with MPPE fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/64580/ [12:23] BUGabundo_work: yeah thats the bogus address stuff [12:23] we need admin input on whats special and if that server works at all on windows [12:23] BUGabundo_work: or doese it work without MPPE? [12:24] School server 1 withOUT MPPE fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/64581 [12:24] oh that server at least tells that MPPE is required [12:24] School server mirror withOUT MPPE fail [12:24] your work server just continues [12:25] got a time out now [12:25] on the mirror [12:26] School server mirror WITH MPPE timeout http://paste.ubuntu.com/64583/ [12:27] BUGabundo_work: which server worked before? [12:27] that one [12:27] BUGabundo_work: try again [12:27] msvpn1.dei.... [12:27] and now it Simply Worked [12:28] BUGabundo_work: ok. try a few times ... with and without disconnecting first [12:28] School server mirror WITH MPPE Success http://paste.ubuntu.com/64585/ [12:28] School server mirror WITH MPPE SUCESS http://paste.ubuntu.com/64585 [12:29] humm I'm lagging!!! lol missed that on IRC [12:29] the admin is offline now! not sure if he went to check this stuff [12:29] ubottu: ping [12:29] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [12:30] BUGabundo_work: well ... i think the failure might also been have due to the server [12:30] BUGabundo_work: you should try multiple times to get a better feeling about the fail ratio [12:30] at least I know have 2 working servers [12:30] BUGabundo_work: so you have 3 servers in school [12:30] tonigh I'll teste the VPN over open WiFi [12:31] and test EDUROAM [12:31] no asac [12:31] 2 vpn server at school [12:31] plus one at work [12:31] I know I'm babbling all over the place [12:31] making it hard for you to follow [12:32] now we have a post release update to do [12:33] asac: admin is back [12:33] trying to get him to look at the server [12:33] BUGabundo_work: ok [12:33] BUGabundo_work: anyway. even the current package works if you encode the domain in the username [12:34] * BUGabundo finally some time to look at backlog emails! [12:34] and dont use the domain field in NM [12:34] LOL [12:34] release notes maybe? [12:34] not sure. the vpn plugins should be more important, but they are not on CD [12:34] and not even in main [12:35] but people upgrading [12:35] we will get the update in asap. that should be good enough i think [12:35] will get a non working VPN [12:35] that might leave some users without ANY chance to fix [12:38] Did anyone else receive a security update today? [12:38] BUGabundo_work: well. the notes are all done and so ;) [12:38] snap-l: whats the problem? [12:39] I did snap-l [12:39] I'm not seeing any notes for what the issue was. [12:39] More curious than anything [12:42] snap-l: not sure. look http://www.ubuntu.com/usn [12:43] most likely you got one of the more recent ones then [12:43] snap-l: it is expected. base-files needed an update before intrepid was released, so no USN. it went through -security because of the extrememly late hour in the release process [12:43] jdstrand: thanks for helping out ;) [12:44] jdstrand: Thanks for the clarification. :) [12:44] np [13:20] BUGabundo_work: could you post a syslog that shows the authentication error to the bug? [13:20] at best replace the description [13:21] BUGabundo_work: if oyu want you can open a new bug for the MPPE by default thing [13:21] and point the other reports in the bug to that one (as some appear to have been struck by that too) [13:34] asac: it could be great if we made a poll, and ask users on that bug to vote if it worked best with or without MPPE [13:37] BUGabundo_work: well. bugs attract a highly biased user base :) [13:38] hello all [13:39] i was wondering if the images provided here, can be crafted to work in VBox [13:39] http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ [13:39] asac: (13:02:56) André: [13:39] Embora os dois serviços (msvpn e msvpn1) sejam semelhantes, têm algumas diferenças entre eles, por exemplo o msvpn1 suporta MPPC e também chaves statefull. [13:39] the admin says both machines are similar [13:40] they are a part of this wikihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase [13:40] Bit_Breaker: wouldnt think so. you could ask QA folks if they have prepared vbox images [13:40] but mirror server as MPPC and statefull keys [13:40] asac: ok who would that be? QA that is . [13:41] Bit_Breaker: maybe ask on #ubuntu-testing .... but i think to remember that thats on their todo list. so most likely there are no vbox images yet [13:42] persia: hi [13:42] i have read the documentation [13:43] i tried to report a bug related to 8.04 [13:43] but didnt get any response [13:43] asac: you got me lost now! [13:44] what bug log do you mean I should post to the bug?? [13:44] BUGabundo_work: no. reproduce the bug log that leads to the AUTHETNTICATION failure [13:44] that wone with the =691 code [13:44] BUGabundo_work: if you still have it somewhere just use that :) [13:45] asac: thanks [13:46] ill have to look for IRC logs and get the pastebin of it [13:46] asac: how can i help make images for Vbox [13:46] or my console logs... even maybe by grepping my syslog [13:46] I never delete them [13:46] Bit_Breaker: ask folks on #ubuntu-testing. they are the one to coordinate that imo. at best wait a day to make release dust settle there [13:46] Bit_Breaker: they are most likely still busy [13:46] ok === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:31] mvo: should bug #290921 stays open as an ubuntu bug if you opened a rt about it? [14:31] Launchpad bug 290921 in ubuntu "archive.ubuntu.com config prevents caching" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290921 [14:33] Boo [14:33] seb128: I have no idea, it feels like it should given that its not resolved yet [14:33] but I don't have a strong opinion on it [14:33] mvo: that's not an ubuntu bug though, it has been moved to a rt which seems to correct media no? [14:34] ok, fine with me to close it "notforus" :) [14:34] * mvo thinks we need more close states [14:34] I don't really care but that's the sort of bugs which stay open for ever [14:34] that seems noise [14:35] I included the bugnumer in the ticket in the hope that RT would close it [14:35] but yeah, we might as well close it now that its forwarded [14:37] I got a bug in gnome-ppp. The init-string fields start at 2, not 1 (zero would be ok by me...), and they eat whatever values you put in them. Next time you bring up the box, the values are reset. === x-spec-t is now known as Spec [16:19] anyone ever found this error: nslookup: parse of /etc/resolv.conf failed ? [16:20] my resolv.conf is a mixed result from networkmanager and the AT&T VPN client [16:20] and it looks fine to me :P [17:13] we had some issues with -386 packages being installed around gutsy or so, didn't we? [17:13] anyone happen to have the report at hand? [18:37] so what do you do with a bug report that has been filed in a language you do not understand? [18:38] psusi: do you have any idea what language it is? [18:38] looks like it might be german [18:39] I think we have some people who know german here [18:40] I hate to just close the bug report as the person is making an effort to help out [18:40] psusi, can you give me the bug number [18:40] yea, bug #175329 [18:40] Launchpad bug 175329 in dmraid "dmraid lies sich nicht installieren oder aktualisieren" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175329 [18:41] psusi, yes germen, let me have a look [18:41] well, the report is also a year old so... maybe I should just close it for being old and ask them to change it back to new if they are still around... [18:44] hmm, its about updating this package in 7.10, I think I'll close this bug and ask him to reopen if this is still a problem [18:44] sounds good to me [18:44] thanks [18:44] thekorn: could you also mention bug reports are more likely to get attention if reported in English? [18:44] yes, will do [18:45] Thanks! [19:51] bdmurray: you really want to keep non-native bugs open? [19:52] bdmurray: i mean then we should do that officially and try to get a "bug" translator team up ;) [19:52] i usually just close stuff [19:52] asac: yeah, I think having a bug translation team would be a good idea [19:54] well. for me requiring a proxy isnt that promissing ;) [19:54] translation team would be at least more-responsive than the average bug triager ;) [19:54] otherwise they would probably be a bottle neck === thekorn__ is now known as thekorn_ [21:27] hi , i have a problem with playing video w [21:27] anyone here ?! [21:28] yes, but if it's a help request, that goes in #ubuntu [21:28] this channel's mostly for triaging [21:34] asac: ping [21:35] BUGabundo: ? [21:35] hi [21:35] just uploaded a log to 272185 [21:35] updating now to nm4 [21:35] and trying the new timeout [21:36] BUGabundo: do you get the timeout error? [21:36] oh oh where's the server team (i think?) so they can freak about contentless-pings? [21:36] with nm3 yes [21:36] ^_^ [21:36] BUGabundo: right [21:36] BUGabundo: yeah give it a try .... buts ridiculous already [21:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64815/ [21:37] I'm now 3mts from the AP [21:37] of course RADIUS servers here suck... [21:37] BUGabundo: well. go ahead [21:37] let me know if this thing succeeds after ages ;) [21:37] I also failed to connect to another AP with out encription [21:37] and noticed that if I ran sudo dhclient wlan2 I would get connected [21:37] thats something different most likely [21:38] BUGabundo: thats a driver bug then most likely [21:38] or maybe wpasupplicant in a bad state after broken EAP attempts [21:39] * BUGabundo hopes PPA download speed is better then Main and mirrors [21:39] I've seen mirrors with 70 system load [21:39] its crazy!!! [21:39] the whole datacenter suffers on release day :) [21:39] I know [21:39] sounds warm ;) [21:39] I track a mirror here! [21:39] like holiday ;) [21:39] and we just wish it can make through the weekend [21:39] asac, well, there is a holiday tomorrow :) [21:40] ogra: not here [21:40] http://neacm.fe.up.pt/stats/sysinfo/ [21:40] unless hamburg switched to be catholic [21:40] Load Averages 24.17 22.36 22.19 [21:40] ogra: no ... its not a public holiday here even though we are not catholic [21:40] asac: reboot to get the new NM4 [21:40] most likely this means that there is no religion here [21:41] heh [21:41] ogra: or maybe i just have never heard of this day ;) [21:41] oh, carp [21:41] *crap even [21:41]